Comments on: “Seed Time and Harvest” – False doctrine of money http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com © marianne's page- where the Word of God is free !! Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:21:17 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Marianne http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/%e2%80%9cseed-time-and-harvest%e2%80%9d-false-doctrine-of-money/#comment-15718 Marianne Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:25:26 +0000 http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?page_id=123#comment-15718 anita True, god prospers people at times. But not every holy person is rich. In fact, the average believer is not rich. Satan perverts what god offers and appeals to the lusts and greed of man. Church is a business now. It demands tithes for the purpose of church maintenance and ministry salaries, who expect the people to be in church all the time. If people had any alone time with God, they would miss church, and the church could not collect the money, if they are missing. anita

True, god prospers people at times. But not every holy person is rich. In fact, the average believer is not rich.

Satan perverts what god offers and appeals to the lusts and greed of man.

Church is a business now. It demands tithes for the purpose of church maintenance and ministry salaries, who expect the people to be in church all the time.

If people had any alone time with God, they would miss church, and the church could not collect the money, if they are missing.

]]> By: anita fuentes http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/%e2%80%9cseed-time-and-harvest%e2%80%9d-false-doctrine-of-money/#comment-15713 anita fuentes Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:38:06 +0000 http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?page_id=123#comment-15713 I don't know anything about this "prosperity gospel", what I do know is about the gospel; of Jesus Christ. Psalm 122:7 Peace be within your walls,Prosperity within your palaces.” Psalm 68:6 "God sets the solitary in families;He brings out those who are bound into prosperity; But the rebellious dwell in a dry land." Psalm 30:6 Now in my prosperity I said,“I shall never be moved.” Psalm 25:13 He himself shall dwell in prosperity, And his descendants shall inherit the earth. Job 36:11 "If they obey and serve Him,They shall spend their days in prosperity, And their years in pleasures" Acts 24:2 And when he was called upon, Tertullus began his accusation, saying: “Seeing that through you we enjoy great peace, and prosperity is being brought to this nation by your foresight, Prosperity is of God, not the devil. It comes from our Father, not Satan. Prosperity- definition- a successful, flourishing, or thriving condition. I don’t know anything about this “prosperity gospel”, what I do know is about the gospel; of Jesus Christ.
Psalm 122:7
Peace be within your walls,Prosperity within your palaces.”

Psalm 68:6
“God sets the solitary in families;He brings out those who are bound into prosperity; But the rebellious dwell in a dry land.”

Psalm 30:6
Now in my prosperity I said,“I shall never be moved.”

Psalm 25:13
He himself shall dwell in prosperity, And his descendants shall inherit the earth.

Job 36:11
“If they obey and serve Him,They shall spend their days in prosperity, And their years in pleasures”

Acts 24:2
And when he was called upon, Tertullus began his accusation, saying: “Seeing that through you we enjoy great peace, and prosperity is being brought to this nation by your foresight,

Prosperity is of God, not the devil. It comes from our Father, not Satan.

Prosperity- definition- a successful, flourishing, or thriving condition.

]]> By: Marianne http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/%e2%80%9cseed-time-and-harvest%e2%80%9d-false-doctrine-of-money/#comment-15710 Marianne Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:20:02 +0000 http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?page_id=123#comment-15710 hi anita I still disagree. It would be just like the devil to get us into the prosperity gospel, by misinterpretation of scripture. But people are free to give what they want. I just want them to use wisdom in giving. hi anita

I still disagree. It would be just like the devil to get us into the prosperity gospel, by misinterpretation of scripture.

But people are free to give what they want. I just want them to use wisdom in giving.

]]> By: anita fuentes http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/%e2%80%9cseed-time-and-harvest%e2%80%9d-false-doctrine-of-money/#comment-15704 anita fuentes Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:12:04 +0000 http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?page_id=123#comment-15704 Hebrews 7 explains it. Please note I could not have gotten this information unless through divine revelation. The devil wouldn't say to tithe to testify His ressurection, the flesh wouldn't either. The only One who would want the Witness of His Sons resurrection is the Father. God bless you Marianne. Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." Hebrews 7 explains it. Please note I could not have gotten this information unless through divine revelation. The devil wouldn’t say to tithe to testify His ressurection, the flesh wouldn’t either. The only One who would want the Witness of His Sons resurrection is the Father. God bless you Marianne.
Romans 8:1
“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”

]]> By: Marianne http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/%e2%80%9cseed-time-and-harvest%e2%80%9d-false-doctrine-of-money/#comment-15701 Marianne Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:19:56 +0000 http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?page_id=123#comment-15701 anita I do not agree. The tithe has nothing to do with the resurrection. We honor the work of Jesus with a holy life, and following his witness, not with giving money to men, unless it it to the poor. Jesus never asked for money. Peter (in the book of Hebrews) and the other Jewish apostles continued to pay tithes to the temple in Jerusalem until it fell in 70 AD. They were obeying the Torah. The tithes only went to the Levite priests. They were not paying tithes to the church. By honoring the law, they honored Jesus, who was the fulfillment of the Torah. anita

I do not agree. The tithe has nothing to do with the resurrection. We honor the work of Jesus with a holy life, and following his witness, not with giving money to men, unless it it to the poor. Jesus never asked for money.

Peter (in the book of Hebrews) and the other Jewish apostles continued to pay tithes to the temple in Jerusalem until it fell in 70 AD. They were obeying the Torah. The tithes only went to the Levite priests. They were not paying tithes to the church. By honoring the law, they honored Jesus, who was the fulfillment of the Torah.

]]> By: anita fuentes http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/%e2%80%9cseed-time-and-harvest%e2%80%9d-false-doctrine-of-money/#comment-15691 anita fuentes Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:00:06 +0000 http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?page_id=123#comment-15691 The tithe your speaking of that was "only for the Levite priest" was according to the Old Covenant aka The Law. There may be orthodox Jews that dont pay tithes just as you wrote but if they havent received Jesus has the Messiah why are we bringing them up in this case. They are not part of the Bride of Christ yet. Before I go any further what does it matter if Jews orthodox or not tithe? Lets talk about the Bride of Christ, the body of Christ. We are the Bride, and its better to be His bride than His brother. The bride shares intimacy, shares the throne, shares the name. We are the gentile bride of Jesus Christ Tithing is part of the Abrahamic Covenant originally. Tithing that was under the law starting in Leviticus is not what I am writing about. It really is has simple as looking at Hebrews 7:8, "Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives". Where the scripture reads, "Here mortal men received tithes...", that means when you tithe to the Lord mortal men eg., all the full time ministries, all the pastors, missionaries, all the work of Jesus around the world all come under the benefit of our tithe. These are mortal men that recieve tithe. The emphasis on "Here" mortal men receive tithes. Now emphasis on "There" he (Jesus)receives them. Now "Here" when we tithe we tithe to the church and "Here" mortal men receive the tithe for the work of Jesus, But "There" He receives our tithes. The Lord has ordained the way He receives is through the church, the local church. Now the last part of that scripture, "...of whom it is witnessed that he lives". Notice that the word "it" is referenced to tithe. You could read, "of whom the tithe witnessed that He lives". Now if you were to read quickly Genesis 14:18-20, "Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. And he blessed him and said: “ Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth; And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” And he gave him a tithe of all. You will see and remember that the bread and the wine is the witness of Jesus' death (reference also Luke 22:18-20) the tithe is the witness of His resurrection. These are the 2 ways we remember the Lord our God. You see the word remember is not just a sentimental remembering, (this is a moderinistic western idea). The Jewish idea, God's idea, the biblical idea is to go through the reanactment. When Jesus said, "do this in rememberance of me" He wants us to imagine His broken body and His blood. Thats why when we have communion we take actual elements and "remember" Him the way He said to. If your wondering, "I dont get it, how does a tithe witness to His resurrection?" This is what the Lord has said to me has He was blessing me with thsi revelation of tithe, "When you preach and talk about how good I am in your life, some of them will not believe, many will but some will not until they see, until they see what I have blessed you with, then will these people who dont believe me see that I am alive in your life." We tithe from a perspective of Grace because we want to, may our life be a reflection of His glory, Hallelujah! Simply put tithing is the witness of Jesus resurrection in our life. It's not about Pastors "who want to make a salary, buy a new car or build a bldg..." It's about Jesus. Again I am not advocating by any means using the word of God and twisting it for personal gain in which I have heard and know of. I'm talking about Jesus. He's what it really comes too. Thank you siste for hearing me out again. May the Lord Jesus Himself confirm His word. The tithe your speaking of that was “only for the Levite priest” was according to the Old Covenant aka The Law. There may be orthodox Jews that dont pay tithes just as you wrote but if they havent received Jesus has the Messiah why are we bringing them up in this case. They are not part of the Bride of Christ yet. Before I go any further what does it matter if Jews orthodox or not tithe?
Lets talk about the Bride of Christ, the body of Christ. We are the Bride, and its better to be His bride than His brother. The bride shares intimacy, shares the throne, shares the name. We are the gentile bride of Jesus Christ

Tithing is part of the Abrahamic Covenant originally. Tithing that was under the law starting in Leviticus is not what I am writing about.
It really is has simple as looking at Hebrews 7:8, “Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives”.
Where the scripture reads, “Here mortal men received tithes…”, that means when you tithe to the Lord mortal men eg., all the full time ministries, all the pastors, missionaries, all the work of Jesus around the world all come under the benefit of our tithe. These are mortal men that recieve tithe. The emphasis on “Here” mortal men receive tithes.

Now emphasis on “There” he (Jesus)receives them.
Now “Here” when we tithe we tithe to the church and “Here” mortal men receive the tithe for the work of Jesus,
But “There” He receives our tithes.
The Lord has ordained the way He receives is through the church, the local church.
Now the last part of that scripture, “…of whom it is witnessed that he lives”. Notice that the word “it” is referenced to tithe.
You could read, “of whom the tithe witnessed that He lives”.
Now if you were to read quickly Genesis 14:18-20, “Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. And he blessed him and said:

“ Blessed be Abram of God Most High,
Possessor of heaven and earth;
And blessed be God Most High,
Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.”

And he gave him a tithe of all.
You will see and remember that the bread and the wine is the witness of Jesus’ death (reference also Luke 22:18-20)
the tithe is the witness of His resurrection.
These are the 2 ways we remember the Lord our God. You see the word remember is not just a sentimental remembering, (this is a moderinistic western idea). The Jewish idea, God’s idea, the biblical idea is to go through the reanactment.
When Jesus said, “do this in rememberance of me” He wants us to imagine His broken body and His blood. Thats why when we have communion we take actual elements and “remember” Him the way He said to.
If your wondering, “I dont get it, how does a tithe witness to His resurrection?”
This is what the Lord has said to me has He was blessing me with thsi revelation of tithe, “When you preach and talk about how good I am in your life, some of them will not believe, many will but some will not until they see, until they see what I have blessed you with, then will these people who dont believe me see that I am alive in your life.”
We tithe from a perspective of Grace because we want to, may our life be a reflection of His glory, Hallelujah!
Simply put tithing is the witness of Jesus resurrection in our life.
It’s not about Pastors “who want to make a salary, buy a new car or build a bldg…” It’s about Jesus.
Again I am not advocating by any means using the word of God and twisting it for personal gain in which I have heard and know of.
I’m talking about Jesus. He’s what it really comes too.
Thank you siste for hearing me out again.
May the Lord Jesus Himself confirm His word.

]]> By: Marianne http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/%e2%80%9cseed-time-and-harvest%e2%80%9d-false-doctrine-of-money/#comment-15685 Marianne Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:14:55 +0000 http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?page_id=123#comment-15685 hi anita I would give as you determine is right in your heart, when asked by those who are in legitimate need. Use wisdom when non-needy people want your money. The tithe is only for the levite priest in the temple in Jerusalem, no where else. It is not for gentile pastors who want to make a salary, buy a new car, or build a building that is much more than a humble structure. The orthodox Jews are very strict in obedience. Not even they pay tithes right now, since there is no temple in Jerusalem. They just give free will offerings, and do charity instead. hi anita

I would give as you determine is right in your heart, when asked by those who are in legitimate need. Use wisdom when non-needy people want your money.

The tithe is only for the levite priest in the temple in Jerusalem, no where else. It is not for gentile pastors who want to make a salary, buy a new car, or build a building that is much more than a humble structure.

The orthodox Jews are very strict in obedience. Not even they pay tithes right now, since there is no temple in Jerusalem. They just give free will offerings, and do charity instead.

]]> By: anita fuentes http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/%e2%80%9cseed-time-and-harvest%e2%80%9d-false-doctrine-of-money/#comment-15683 anita fuentes Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:52:42 +0000 http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?page_id=123#comment-15683 Hello all, I am all for helping minitstries who are furthering the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to help people (like I once was before Christ) receive Jesus, be born again, receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, receive the truth of Gods word through television, radio or internet, and bring souls fromm the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of His dear Son Jesus. What I beleive is Not of God is using scriptures in the word of our Lord to state to Gods children to "exercise their faith by sowing a seed for a $1,000 to receive a miracle in 24 hours" or "the reasomn you still have a curse in your life...", ahhhh! This is horrible! This is not the finished work of Jesus Christ being preached. The finished work is not do, do, do but receive, receive, rcceive. Jesus is not condemenation He is life. Condemantion kills, the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. Children, we must renew our minds with the precious word of God by the power of the Holy Spirit so that when we give it will not be under the law or out of condemantion but from the Spirit of Grace and under the New Covenant. We give not to receive, we give because we have already recieved. I love TBN, Jesus has blessed me richly by veiwing shows on ministries on that network. It's just not of God to use manipulation of the word of God to get money duringpraise a thons. If they are receiving lets say $30 million a year from veiwers (please note I have no idea how much that network recieves, this number is used for example only) how much more would people give if Jesus was being lifted up in these Praise a thons instead of money, if the Spirit of Grace was being ministered instead of the spirit of condemnation in which our precious Lord and Savior killed at the cross. How much more would the children of God give. Just as the scripture says, in 2 Corinthians 3:9 "For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory." May the Lord help the ministers/preachers who are preaching this message of death and may our Lord and Savior help our brothers and sisters to see what He sees and to stand firm on the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to know what they have alreday. Jesus bought by His blood so much, our salvation, fellowship, health, wholeness, peace; He even became poor so we may become rich, but not ungodly rich nor greedy rich. Rich yes even financially but His way, where He uses it for His glory, you see it and it doesnt affect you like it affects the world because Jesus is your everything. Tithing is another thing. I wrestled with this for a long time. The Lord blessed me with a beautfiul revelation where is says never tithe out of condemnation or out of the law. Abraham tithed before the law to Michelzedek a type of Jesus where in the new covenant the Holy Spirit states, Hebrews 7:8 "And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth". Beloved, our tithes testifies He's alive! I have asked the Lord if I should give to my current church who mixes law and grace, even if i should continue to attend there. By His Grace and Patience I will not move unless He leads me. I am grateful and highly blessed to not have to rely on "my power" (my flesh) but in Christ Jesus, "Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. God bless each and everyone of you and remember, you are highly favored, deeply loved and greatly blessed for you are the discple whom Jesus loves. Hello all,
I am all for helping minitstries who are furthering the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to help people (like I once was before Christ) receive Jesus, be born again, receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, receive the truth of Gods word through television, radio or internet, and bring souls fromm the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of His dear Son Jesus.
What I beleive is Not of God is using scriptures in the word of our Lord to state to Gods children to “exercise their faith by sowing a seed for a $1,000 to receive a miracle in 24 hours” or “the reasomn you still have a curse in your life…”, ahhhh! This is horrible! This is not the finished work of Jesus Christ being preached. The finished work is not do, do, do but receive, receive, rcceive. Jesus is not condemenation He is life. Condemantion kills, the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. Children, we must renew our minds with the precious word of God by the power of the Holy Spirit so that when we give it will not be under the law or out of condemantion but from the Spirit of Grace and under the New Covenant. We give not to receive, we give because we have already recieved. I love TBN, Jesus has blessed me richly by veiwing shows on ministries on that network. It’s just not of God to use manipulation of the word of God to get money duringpraise a thons. If they are receiving lets say $30 million a year from veiwers (please note I have no idea how much that network recieves, this number is used for example only) how much more would people give if Jesus was being lifted up in these Praise a thons instead of money, if the Spirit of Grace was being ministered instead of the spirit of condemnation in which our precious Lord and Savior killed at the cross. How much more would the children of God give. Just as the scripture says, in 2 Corinthians 3:9
“For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.”
May the Lord help the ministers/preachers who are preaching this message of death and may our Lord and Savior help our brothers and sisters to see what He sees and to stand firm on the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to know what they have alreday. Jesus bought by His blood so much, our salvation, fellowship, health, wholeness, peace; He even became poor so we may become rich, but not ungodly rich nor greedy rich. Rich yes even financially but His way, where He uses it for His glory, you see it and it doesnt affect you like it affects the world because Jesus is your everything.
Tithing is another thing. I wrestled with this for a long time. The Lord blessed me with a beautfiul revelation where is says never tithe out of condemnation or out of the law. Abraham tithed before the law to Michelzedek a type of Jesus where in the new covenant the Holy Spirit states, Hebrews 7:8
“And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth”. Beloved, our tithes testifies He’s alive!
I have asked the Lord if I should give to my current church who mixes law and grace, even if i should continue to attend there. By His Grace and Patience I will not move unless He leads me. I am grateful and highly blessed to not have to rely on “my power” (my flesh) but in Christ Jesus, “Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

God bless each and everyone of you and remember, you are highly favored, deeply loved and greatly blessed for you are the discple whom Jesus loves.

]]> By: Marianne http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/%e2%80%9cseed-time-and-harvest%e2%80%9d-false-doctrine-of-money/#comment-15566 Marianne Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:04:55 +0000 http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?page_id=123#comment-15566 hello utcheson chukwudi It may be possible that God told a rich man to give up his riches, in order to obtain salvation, an answer to prayer. This is the same test that Jesus gave the rich young man. But most people are not rich, and so this would be an inappropriate test for them. People are just greedy, and the people who give are also doing it for the wrong reasons. If they were not so addicted to their needs, they would not fall for this deception. We all need to break away from the flesh, and walk by faith. hello utcheson chukwudi

It may be possible that God told a rich man to give up his riches, in order to obtain salvation, an answer to prayer. This is the same test that Jesus gave the rich young man.

But most people are not rich, and so this would be an inappropriate test for them.

People are just greedy, and the people who give are also doing it for the wrong reasons. If they were not so addicted to their needs, they would not fall for this deception.

We all need to break away from the flesh, and walk by faith.

]]> By: utcheson chukwudi http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/%e2%80%9cseed-time-and-harvest%e2%80%9d-false-doctrine-of-money/#comment-15560 utcheson chukwudi Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:55:47 +0000 http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?page_id=123#comment-15560 i am apostle chukwudi utcheson from nigeria africa. i float a church, spirit and word centre. the error with the seed faith idea is that most preacher take God's encounter or personal dealing with them and make a doctrine out of it. simply becos you needed a particular thing from God and he asked you to give 10dollars to someone indeed thosen't mean you should make a doctrine out of it. telling church flocks to always give some money to someone when ever they are in need. this is the spring board of most errors in doctrine we find in the body of Christ. we need prophets and apostles and teacher to restore the sound doctrines of Christ to the church. most of the teachings we have today are doctrines of men, devil and commanding of church overseers and it is not ministreing grace to the hearer. the lord said to me 'i have sent you to take away from God's word what men added to it, and put back into it what man took away. uchee25@yahoo.com, or call: +2348038758238,+2348097886319. God bless all the readers in this site. keep me posted. i am apostle chukwudi utcheson from nigeria africa. i float a church, spirit and word centre. the error with the seed faith idea is that most preacher take God’s encounter or personal dealing with them and make a doctrine out of it. simply becos you needed a particular thing from God and he asked you to give 10dollars to someone indeed thosen’t mean you should make a doctrine out of it. telling church flocks to always give some money to someone when ever they are in need. this is the spring board of most errors in doctrine we find in the body of Christ. we need prophets and apostles and teacher to restore the sound doctrines of Christ to the church. most of the teachings we have today are doctrines of men, devil and commanding of church overseers and it is not ministreing grace to the hearer. the lord said to me ‘i have sent you to take away from God’s word what men added to it, and put back into it what man took away. uchee25@yahoo.com, or call: +2348038758238,+2348097886319. God bless all the readers in this site. keep me posted.

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