2014-2019 Islam’s (Shiite) countdown to the 12th Imam Mahdi

 

 

Many Shia Muslims are waiting for a European to emerge as anti-Christ, who starts out peacefully, and then wages war.There is already a plan in place, which Islam admits to, where a world war will take place to convert the world to Islam. When is the 12th Imam Mahdi showing up?

****While various leaders and countries may have conspiracies and plots to dominate the world, this is to get people to look around at all possibilities.


**** From a few comments, This “Mahdi”  is a Shia belief, and only represents about 10% of Muslims, from what 2 readers have told me so far. The Shias are located primarily in Iran.

The Sunnis represent about 90% of the Muslim population.

*** From another comment, each group has a Mahdi figure, but its manifestation is different for each group. One is in “occultation.”

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Who is the Imam Mahdi – according to Shia Muslims?

Reference:

http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/imam.html

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The term “MAHDI” is a title meaning “The Guided one”.

Hadhrat Ali (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, “Even if only a day remains for Qiyamah to come, yet Allah will surely send a man from my family who will fill this world with such justice and fairness, just as it initally was filled with oppression.” (Abu Dawood)

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His Features

Hadhrat Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) relates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, “Al Mahdi will be from my progeny. His forehead will be broad and his nose will be high. He will fill the world with justice and fairness at a time when the world will be filled with oppression. He will rule for seven years.”

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Other ahadeeth inform us that:

·He will be tall
* He will be fair complexioned
* His facial features will be similar to those of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)
* His character will be exactly like that of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)
* His father’s name will be Abdullah
* His mother’s name will be Aamina
* He will speak with a slight stutter and occasionally this stutter will frustrate him causing him to hit his hand upon his thigh.
* His age at the time of his emergence will be forty years
* He will receive Knowledge from Allah.

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For Emergence and rule, see reference.

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Numerology predictions.

Muslims believe in numerology, or the study of number combinations.Whether this is logical to us does not matter, because it is to them. They act in accordance to what their holy numbers tell them.So it is good to be aware of what influences them.

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2014 is a target date possibly for the Imam. It is called the “historical year.” See here.

http://www.66619.org/666.htm

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They are following a timeline as much as possible to introduce their Imam Mahdi, who is expected to occur in 2014.

Reference:

http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:BVq4a8TLfJYJ:www.lampholderpub.com/Islamic_Prophecy.htm+2014+muslim+prophecy&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

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The Time-Period

A Prophetic Picture of Al-Qaeda (with a new name) and Islamic Terrorism Through 2014

(a possible timeline scenario)

Conversion to Islam – The Plan for The Entire World

Infidel’s Must Convert to Islam

2001 – WTC announcement/awakening to shake the world [the  New Millennium began in 2001and marked the  beginning of the Islamic countdown; a pled disappearance coinciding with the Jewish Rosh ha Shanah];

2003 – Ramadan (Ramazan) – Imam Mahdi anouncement proclaimed to the world [the splitting of the Moon/lunar eclipse(s) of Ramadan; Al Mahdi is invisible and in hiding/seclusion].  The double eclipse occurred Nov 9 and 23rd.  Both eclipses occurred during Ramadan 2003 between Oct 27 thru Nov 27th.

2004 – 2005 Ramadan – Mahdi’s emergence revealed (the two eclipses of 2003 to 2005)

From 2003 to 2005 – the only befitting time-frame for this part of Islamic eschatology to begin unfolding.  There will be no other time-frame that even comes close to this for several thousand years; many significant “signs in the sky” will point to this time-period as the most historically prophetic time in Islamic history.

2006 – 2007 Mahdi emerges from hiding/seclusion as the new Khaleefah [1427] to rule for seven (7)yrs.

He will be revealed first to the Inner Circle of 12 and then to the 313 Mujahidin of the Mahdi (or Taliyah Al-mahdi);

2013 – Mahdi’s armies will fight Dajjal and his army in a great battle [Sura al-Qiyamah Ayaat 7-9];

2014 - Mahdi/Islamic followers seek to conquer the world for Islam – as a result, all people will recite and follow one Kalimah [word] and one religion [Islam]

I wonder if they think they are on schedule.I have not seen an Imam Mahdi yet.Notice he is to rule for 7 years.Does this sound familiar to Christians?

The Imam Mahdi is predicted to appear during 2 eclipses – first is the eclipse of the moon on the first night of Ramadan, and second is the eclipse of the sun during the middle of that same Ramadan.

Reference:

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/mahdi.htm

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So, when is Ramadan in the years of interest ahead? How do eclipses match up?

References:

http://www.when-is.com/ramadan-2007.asp

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/signs-of-the-sun-and-moon-before-the-day-of-the-lord/

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Ramadan seems to start anywhere from the end of May and lasts until the end of August.

Eclipses in 2008 and 2009 precede Ramadan.

For years 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, there are no matches during Ramadan for eclipses in these years.

For 2018, eclipses occur in mid July to the end of July (partial sun and total moon).

For 2019, eclipses occur in early July to the middle of July (total sun and partial moon).

For 2020, no matches.

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Will Muslims use the 2018 or 2019 information to wage the final world war? What does this mean for all of us?


818 Responses to “2014-2019 Islam’s (Shiite) countdown to the 12th Imam Mahdi”

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    • Well a lot has transpired since July 2008.
      Here is a question that maybe everyone should ask!

      “Q. Is Barack Obama the “promised warrior” coming to help the Hidden Imam of
      Shiite Muslims conquer the world?

      A. This question has made the rounds in Iran since last month, when a
      pro-government Web site published a Hadith (or tradition) from a Shiite text
      of the 17th century. The tradition comes from Bahar al-Anvar (meaning Oceans
      of Light) by Mullah Majlisi, a magnum opus in 132 volumes and the basis of
      modern Shiite Islam.

      According to the tradition, Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib (the prophet’s cousin and
      son-in-law) prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return
      of the Mahdi, the Ultimate Saviour, a “tall black man will assume the reins
      of government in the West.” Commanding “the strongest army on earth,” the
      new ruler in the West will carry “a clear sign” from the third imam, whose
      name was Hussein Ibn Ali. The tradition concludes: “Shiites should have no
      doubt that he is with us.”

      In a curious coincidence Obama’s first and second names–Barack
      Hussein–mean “the blessing of Hussein” in Arabic and Persian. His family
      name, Obama, written in the Persian alphabet, reads O Ba Ma, which means “he
      is with us,” the magic formula in Majlisi’s tradition.”

      • no no no , there is no mention for obama in shiite books
        but as i think the final war will be one a women lead usa
        sounds now call for sara pailin to be the next leader of usa
        so this could strongly guide to the final war
        but we are sure that we are in jesus , mahdi and antichrist days

        • Dear Ahmad

          Why do you think it will be a woman led USA?

          If anything happens to Obama and Biden, either Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi will take over.

          • dear mariana
            this is not my speech, i had read this in some prophecies , and i didn’t say she will be sara pailin
            any women could lead this war
            but she will be a women , no matter whom are she or her name
            but the important we are sure that we are in days of jesus mahdi and antichrist
            this year there will be a war between hezbullah and israel and syria nad iran
            it will be the first fire of armaggedon
            just wait for several months to see this happen
            regards

            • dear ahmad

              I agree. I wish it were not true, but I expect something to happen before the end of 2010.

              People need to understand that only God can solve the middle east conflict, not man. Only God can bring peace. All people do is talk, talk and talk….then fight.

              But all man thinks about is land and power and money. So we will have a war. It has been the same issues that makes man go to war, since history began.

              My advice. Pray and stay out of the way. Do not get involved or you will get hurt.

              • oh dear , there is prophecies came from torah and bible and quran
                it’s not talks of ppl , sorry i can’t leave those holy books and agree with u coz u say that
                god solve problems but he never come by him self
                so he sent moses jesus and mohammad
                i’m seeing what i’m speaking
                yes there will be a war this year coz i saw this
                i’m not joking
                and u will see this , just wait
                and i don’t hope to happen
                but this the factt

            • just an info so that you do not continue talking bulshit.
              number 1 dajjal is a suffinai not a european he is a sufiani meaning wahabi.
              2. when the imam mahdi appers jesus christ will appear with him telling all the christians that this imam is who you shoul follow he is the decendant of the last prophet.
              3. A war will we waged against the suffianis aka as the al qeada, talibans and the wahabis who have spoilt the name of islma and then those who refused to follow the imam and jesus also so that all the world will become one islam.
              4, as for when he will emerge no one knows only that the time is very near.

              • Mr.Hussain Dajjal will lead the jews not wahabis or Talibans and he by himself will be the jew.Do not misinterpret the Sahi Ahadess by using your own wishes and aqeedah.Imam Mehdi will appear in Madina,by the time people will ask him to lead them(As Muslims will be suffered and will be Maghloob by Non Muslims). Imam Mehdi will come to Makkah as he will not show himself,In Makkah the Imam Kabah will lead the Prayer of Asar/Maghrib and suddenly he will ask a man to lead the people in prayers,First he will refuse and then he will agree to lead and then after the prayer A voice From Allah side will be on Air that this is your Caliph,this is Mehdi and then people will come and start Bait on his hand.Then a Sufiani Force will come from Syeria to fight Imam Mehdi,All force will be martred by the splitting of Earth just two men of them will be saved and then will come to Makkah and will tell people that this is Imam Mehdi. Then Army of Imam Mehdi will come From Khurasaan(A terriorty including the North west part of Pakistan,west part of Afghanistan,South East part of Iran,South part of Uzbikistan) to help Him.His Army will have a black flag in their hands. First they will conquer India(Ghazwa e Hind) then will go to Makkah and then Imam Mehdi will start the Jihaad against the Non-Believers.After some days a rumour will spread that Anti-Christ(Dajjal) appeared.Imam Mehdi will send some of His companions to inquire but the people will tell them aftr inquiry that its just a rumour and then after some days Anti-Christ will appear in real.He will appear in a place between Iraq and syeria,then from there he will come to Asfahaan Iran where some 70,000 jews join him and then He will travel the whole world in 7 days.He will claim that He is Naozbillah a prophet and later on will claim that He is Naozbillah God but he is a liar,One cant see the God in this World and Muhammad May Peace Be Upon Him is the last Messenger of Allah.Then Jesus Christ(Hazrat Esa A.S) will come down from the 2nd Sky.Two angels will hold Him on either side and will come down at the big Minarat of Jamma Masjid(Mosque) Damasqus(Dimishq) Syria.Christians in that time will come to know that Jesus is the Messenger/Prophet of Allah and many of them will embrace Islam and some will join jews then Imam Mehdi will offer Jesus Christ to lead the Muslims But Jesus Christ (Hazrat Esa A.S) will refuse Him by saying that He came just to kill Anti Christ(Dajjal) and the pigs.Then he start fighting against Jews,Christians and Anti-Christ.Anti-Christ and jews will seek the way out for survival,Jews will come to hide behind trees and stone,Every stone and tree will tell the Muslim that O’ Muslim come and kill the jews he is here,Muslims will go and will kill them,just one tree will not help the Muslims by doing so that Is Lycium(Gharqad). Israel has started planting these trees in different areas of Israel. Then Anti-christ will start runing away from Jesus Christ at a place where now Israel built an Airport.That is the place where Jesus Christ will throw a weapon and Anti-Christ will start melting like a snow.And The world will be saved from the liars and from the Non-Believers.when Truth come the falsehood perishes. May Allah help all the Muslims on Those days Aameen.

                • imran
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                  hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
                  hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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                  Jesus coming back as a muslim and fight the Jews. try to use your brain sometimes and you will understand that Jesus planted Christianity because he will come back as a Christian and fight the muslims and establish big Isreal.

                • Imran

                  What is the source of your prophecies? Is it the Quran, or other writings? Or is it oral tradition?

          • There is a 1938 prophecy in motion…the prophecy was that a woman will be in charge of the USA before rapture happens…nothing about a war, just about the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to take up the believers…now one thing to look at is the war of Gog and Magog…the Arab countries against Israel…the ones to focus on are Libya, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Ethiopia, Sudan, Turkey…with Russia in there also…this is very close and the US won’t be able to help Israel when they are at war with these nations because Elohim wants to show the world that He is the protector of Israel and the Almighty God, and not allah, or buddah, or anyone

          • There is a 1937 (I think that was the year) prophecy concerning before Jesus Christ (different from Isa ibn Maryam) returns with the RAPTURE, there will be a woman president or vice president of the US before the Lord returns…and lo and behold…Hillary Clinton is going to run for pres in 2016…unless another woman runs…she will win.

    • Instead of checking solar and lunar eclipses on a regular calendar, why don’t you check in on the calendar that Muslims use? Their months are different than ours.

  2. Thanks. Their time-lines are messed up. But, they are used to abrogating what they put out. Muhammad was the biggest abrogation expert in their ideology.

  3. hi thebosun

    Maybe they have to keep fixing the text because it is not the word of God. :)

    Maybe they should use the Bible. It is more accurate.

    The only time before 2020 that there will be a total eclipse of sun and moon, 2 weeks apart, is in 2015, which is NOT during Ramadan.

    blessings
    marianne

    • Hi, Marianne. Unfortunately, many Christians are using the bible to predict dates also. There are Christians using for example, the Bible code, showing that humans are always trying to put God in a box. We as followers of Christ must do our homework. There is another religion ( Buddhist) which waits for Maitreya. I ask you to search about it. They use the same way of thinking than muslims. And as we can see by looking in television, buddhism is the religion of celebrities, and as wallpaper , they have charities. I believe there will be an union between all these religions to give to the beast, the power.
      MJBY!

    • You know what without sufficient research nand making false claimants you are paving your way towards the hill miss marianne. I belive may allah bless you and put nur in your heart to open you mind and eyes and to see your imam of the time, Al hujjat Al Mahdi (ajt).He is alive here in the world in seclusion and will come by the command of the almighty. noone can fix the date?..You must be prepared. Better to refer to Hadiths if you have some evident proofs hit me bak here with references so i can argue them because i dont put false allegations which are baseless. As Quran says

      • in Surah Nur verse 40
        “OR IT (THE DEEDS OF THE UNBELIEVERS) ARE LIKE DARNESS OF A DEEP STORMY SEA WITH LAYERS OF GIANT WAVES, COVERED BY DARK CLOUDS. IT IS DARKNESS UPON DARKNESS WHERBY EVEN IF ONE STRETCHES OUT HIS HAND HE CANNOT SEE THEM. ONE CAN HAVE NO LIGHT UNLESS GOD GIVES HIM LIGHT.”
        and sahih bukhari and tirmidhi narrate a hadith that whoever does not believe in Mahdi(from my progeny, the ninth one from Imam Hussain a.s.) is a disbeliever. GO CHECK OUT THE FACTS FIRST AND THEN WRITE SOMETHING.

  4. Their Mahdi is none other then the antichrist. Good article.

    • dear who ever,
      Imam mahdi(ajt) is not the antichrist he will be your saviour!..
      if you donot believe in mahdi and this concept you are a disbeliever as stated in a hadith of holy prophet reference bukhari and tirmidhi. So stop making false claims and be prepared fpr his arrival.it is for your benefit.

      • hello daniyal

        This was meant to be an academic look at Muslim beliefs.

        As Jesus said, we will know the tree by its fruit. Good tree, good fruit. Bad tree, bad fruit.

        If someone comes, who opposes Jesus as the Christ, then this will be evident.

        If this person works in harmony with Jesus, and acknowledges who he is and his role for mankind, then this is a good person.

        Muslims believe the Imam will be a good person, and it seems like the 2 groups, Sunni and Shiite, have different ideas about him.

        Christians not not really sure if the Imam is the Antichrist, or a positive person who will acknowledge Jesus as Messiah, and fight the Antichrist.

        We try to decide this by the attributes assigned to the Imam, that we read about.

        • HEY MARIANNE, IMAM MAHDI AND JESUS WILL BE THE ONE WHO WOULD COMBINE THEIR FORCES AND THEN DEFEAT ALL THE TYRANNY AND INJUSTICE IN THE WORLD.THEY WILL BE TOGETHER THATS WHAT I BELIVE TOO.

          • hi daniyal

            Christians have much prophecy about the end times. But there are also many mysteries to be revealed. The bible does not mention the Imam, so there is no way to know about him from the bible. So we guess.

            Anyone who believes in Jesus for salvation at the final battle will be spared. However, it does seem to indicate that Jesus will appear suddenly, as the battle will be in Jerusalem, and with nuclear weapons, he will have to act quickly. Jerusalem will be the center of the Messianic kingdom to come, and it cannot be destroyed.

          • unfortunately, this so called “jesus” who combines forces with the mahdi will be the false prophet the bible mentions. the true jesus, the son of God will come at the end of seven years and defeat those who reject him. he will bring justice and righteousness to the world.

        • To Marianne (or Jezebel or whatever your name is); You call this an “Academic” look at the Muslim beliefs of the Mahdi when you display idiotic and gross ignorance about Islam’s basic tenets – You claim Muslims believe in Numerology? what a crock of B.S. ! I have had hundreds of debates with Christians but non have shown this level of ignorance!

          Your Christian faith is a false Paulian Roman Pagan religion Marianne – I am sorry to break it to you like this. Your Jesus will reject you on judgement day because you blasphemed God by claiming he has a Son! whereas every true prophet of God knows that God did not beget nor was he begotten or in need of anything or anyone.

          You Christians have never evolved from the ignorant Crusader mentality of the Dark ages. Do you know WHY the Dark Ages were called That Marianne? – it was the political power of the Pagan Roman Christian religion that caused the blackout and drowned true knowledge – find out why the Church hid the teachings of Barnabas and tell me who the Unitarians are and why they reject the Pagan Roman Trinity.

          You should now be well aware that when Christians question the validity of Islam as a True revealed religion, most Muslims simply scoff at them content in the knowledge that Christianity is nothing but a Pagan Roman False Religion. The polite Muslims will indulge you with a response. Go get a REAL revealed religion THEN start a blog about Islam or the Mahdi. Quoting lampholder publication’s crackpot prophesies shows your level of ignorance. they do not have a single line worthy of academic inspection AND they removed ALL of their false prophesies – it seems that author was mislead by the same Devil that mislead Paul the apostle.

          Your “oorah” for american troops shows astonishing insensitivity and disrespect to the people of Iraq and other nations that suffered from greedy, genocidal US invasions. You mention a list of “achievements” such as universities etc – do you think iraq had none of these BEFORE the invasion – what are you an inbred Hillbilly? You F@cking swines murdered more than 4 million Iraqis from the 1st gulf war till this day in an Illegal war – yes, illegal by INTERNATIONAL Law – and that from a Christian nation like yours – is THAT the message of Jesus – Scr#w your false God and pagan faith

      • Muhammad was anything but holy. He was entirely influenced by demons and his own madness. He made up the quran and it was changed several times until they settled on a final one about 200 years later. Proof is in the manuscripts in a mosque in Yemen that were examined by many who wanted to help restore them. There were rewrites and new verses many times within all the copies. Usually Muslims destroy old copies so that there will be no evidence of changes or updates but now we have proof. The Bible warns of future false prophets. The Bible also says that it is the last of all of Holy Scriptures and that none may be added. I am pretty sure that John was prophesying about Muhammad and his Quran when he wrote those verses. John finished his writings within the first century. There are copies of his writings that are within another 100 or so years after he wrote them. And no, the Mahdi is certainly not a savior and Jesus will set him straight and then send him straight where he belongs with satan where his buddy the murdering, thieving pedophile Muhammad await him. Read your quran to know fully who Muhammad was. Please.

        • To Lyn Mari: The SAME can be said about the bible – in fact, there is NO proof that the bible in it’s present form is anywhere NEAR the original teachings of Jesus and hence can never be held to be the Word of God. Paul the “The Apostle” lived a long time after jesus departed the scene – and had at best, a Hullucinatory experience, thereafter claiming to be the Apostle of Jesus. He is the defacto father of modern Christianity – cashing in on the “Jesus” franchise. The same can be said for the first Pope, Roman emperor Constantine, cashing in on the wildly popular rise of Christianity of the day.
          So basically the New Testament was a Paulian fabrication and NOT the true teachings of Jesus. He was the one who preached that ridiculous blasphemy that Jesus was the son of God. Thanks to Paul, the original teachings of Jesus was corrupted so thoroughly with Pagan Roman ideology that it remains so to this day – and you have the idiotic audacity to assert that Islam’s origins are not Godly? Your Paulian pagan religion called Christianity served the European racist colonialist expansion until this day because you show darker skinned people the “Son of God’ who just so happens to have Blue eyes and Blonde hair. Christian europeans murder and massacre their way across the Globe and lie to the world to conceal their greed but thye Muslims know what their true intentions are. You claim Muslims hide “original” manuscripts – the muslim world is filled with ORIGINAL quaranic manuscripts that date back to the time of the prophet – show me YOUR proof that the bible is the original word of God. The history of European history in the third world is written in blood and fueled by your White God and son of God (what a diabolically insane this concept 3 in 1!)

          - I exhort you to the truth and light of Islam away from the darkness of your pagan Roman false religion called Christianity – The author Marianne displays total ignorance and even quotes from seriously crackpot websites such as lampholder publications (who since their original “prophesies” about a rampaging Islamic Messiah have withdrawn it ALL from their website) – Ignorance such as this is typically dangerous – there are MANY scholarly websites written by non-Muslims on this subject including Christian authors who at least show a Grade 5 education.

          • dear yankee

            The bible proves itself, whether you believe in it or not.

            Whether the quran is original or not, and there is proof that it has been changed also, is irrelevant. I have original books on fiction in my house, and all the contents are imaginary and / or false. I would not base a religion on any of them.

            Truth is self evident to those who can see, and confusion to those who are deceived.

            the truth about god is clear in the bible, even if christians and muslims and jews ignore it, based on their own opinions and texts.

            there is only one God (the Father), and even Jesus said so……..and Jesus also said he was both the son of man and the son of God, and this was not invented by Paul. The father in Heaven is god, and Jesus is his (spirit) son,,,,and this is repeated dozens and dozens of times in the new testament text.

            • The Deification of jesus is a pagan construct.”Jesus claimed to be the Messiah according to the original Jewish definition, the title ‘Christ” was distorted by the Catholic Church to justify the pagan doctrine of incarnation, which later developed into the trinity. According to history, the Council of Nicea deified Jesus and changed his status. The veneration of the Holy Spirit was necessary to produce the mysterious doctrine. The Old Testament does not deify the Holy Spirit to the status as God, yet Christians desperately cite verses that seem to deify the Spirit, an agent created by God to deliver His Revelations. Christians of antiquity never baptized “in the name of the Holy Spirit” because the Bible exempted the Spirit (Acts 2:38, 10:48, 19:5, 22:1)….The early Jewish Christians refused to believe Jesus was divine; they were persecuted by the Pauline Church to accept the divinity of Christ, who never claimed to be God.” (preceding quote from a works by A.Smith – you are welcome to debate the validity of your false faith – i can refute every single pillar of Pauline Christianity) – There are dozens of real scholarly proofs of the pagan origins of your false religion. Still waiting for your spaceships to take you up to heaven Marianne?

              Your pagan false faith is perfect for the past and current racist white imperialistic expansionist tendencies – it served your race well. Conquering primitives and shoving a White man-god complete with blue eyes and blonde hair down their throats.Remember, “Cyrus the pagan was also called Christ (Isaiah 45:1) – (A.Smith)

              Muslims are not swayed by your ridiculous religion – thats why we are your #1 enemy and you are your own worst enemy trying to make sense of the trinity and other pantheistic concepts of God (Hinduism too has this concept…you pagans are not even original).

              It behoves you not to criticise a true revealed religion when yours is so defective.

              • I am not a catholic.

                what part of what I said do you not understand?

              • funny you might bring that up…thi will upset you as well as Catholics, I am sorry, but I am just stating facts…I have found out through an ex Jesuit (that passed away in 1998 because of the truths he spilled out about the Vatican and RC’s actions in their history) that the Catholic Church started Islam so they (the RCs) could take over Jerusalem and rule the middle east like they did Europe.

                If you look at it…the Catholic Church and Islam have a number of similarities…nuns wear headgear, and Muslim women wear head gear…Catholic have prayer beads, Muslims have “prayer” type bead of the names of allah…the Jesuit Order takes an oath to conquer the world, Muslims work on taking over the world…Catholics look at Jesus’ mother, Mary, is higher than Jesus, Muslims look at Mary as a higher person than Isa…Catholics hate the Jews and the Christians, Muslims hate the Jews and Christians…Catholics look at the Lady of Fatima as a great person, Muslims look at the Lady of Fatima as a great person…Muhammad’s first wife, and his cousin were very devout Catholics…the list goes on…

                When they created a monster they couldn’t control no more, they attempted to get rid of it through the Crusades…and now both “religions” try to hid the fact that they are tied together…

    • I agree with you Pastor…according to the Qur’an and the Holy Bible, the mahdi and the antichrist match up 100%. In arabic the antichrist is called the dajjal…but we as Christians know him as the son of Perdition or shaytan (satan in English). When you do the research…in pre-Islamic time frame, Baal was a god of the Ishmaelites…and when oh white boy Mohammed came to be the “last” prophet (which never wrote the Qur’an, but did abrogate a lot, even stating in one of the hadiths after being asked a question {forgot the hadith sorry} “Allah changed that yesterday”), he basically changed the Baal god to Allah…my understanding is that Mohammed’s uncles last name was Allah…and the worship of Baal is very close to the worship of Allah they do in Mecca…same iconology, (both are related to the crescent moon) and both “religions” (Islam and Baal worship) beheaded and hunted down non-believers of the “faiths”…

  5. Hi Rev Williams

    It is really a confused concept. Muslims think the Mahdi will fight the Antichrist.

    blessings
    marianne

  6. Hi Marianne: Whatever time period it is i just hope the rapture takes place soon like reallllllllllly soon!!!

  7. Hi Ani,

    I agree. I do not really want to be here when the Mahdi arrives. I want to go to heaven with my head on my shoulders (not beheaded).

    blessings
    marianne

  8. Maybe, the 12th Imam is the false prophet. If he would just get out of that well, we could ask him.

    According to the Koran, we are all Muslims, we just don’t know it.

    ROPMA

  9. Hi Leatherneck,

    From a different angle, maybe the Pit that demons arise out of to torture the earth come out of that well, and as you said, the 12th Imam is the false prophet.

    The thought of someone hiding in a well for over 1000 years should give most people a hint that he is NOT human. So much for spiritual blindness.

    blessings
    marianne

    • oi if god can create the heavens and the earths y cant he mke some on immmortal and he was hidden so he can see the world and learn frm other wars and other mistakes made by man

  10. I think most demons we talk about are the souls of the Nephlem that died in Noah’s flood. Soon, the beast from the pit will be allowed off his chains to help Satan mislead mankind once again.

    I just like to make fun of the 12th Imam. What kind of religion would believe in waiting for someone to come out of a well?

    One full of hate it seems to me.

    Thank you for allowing me to post.

  11. Hi Leatherneck,

    After about a 1000 years, if the Imam is still down that well, he must smell pretty bad by now. :)

    It should be obvious to the average mind that only something supernatural would be down there that long, if true. Since God does not live in wells, but in heaven, that only leaves one other person. I hope Muslims wake up to this simple truth. It is interesting that an empty well is basically a “Pit.” The demons will come out of one to torment man during the time of wrath.

    blessings
    marianne

  12. Please don’t attribute this nonsense to all Muslims. Only a small portion of so-called Muslims believe in this BS.

  13. Hello Achi

    I just report on what people say about prophecy. I will put a note in the post above about what you said. This is Shiite thinking, and not Sunni, I think?

    blessings
    marianne

  14. Hello Marianne,

    I thank you for your kind consideration.

    To be very accurate it is not Islamic at all. Conventional Islam prohibits the belief in numerology along with other mystical philosophies. (This applies to both Sunni & Shiites)

    But generally speaking, yes, the people that believe in the 12th Imam Mahdi are predominantly Shiites. But even then they only represent a small minority within the Shiite community.

  15. Hello Achi

    I tried writing back to you but your email did not work. So is this 12th Imam more tradition, than something that is basic to the religion? Jews have their Moshiach, Christians have their Jesus returning, so it seemed understandable that Muslims are looking forward to someone too.

    blessings
    marianne

  16. Hello Marianne,

    I am sorry but I actually posted a fake email. Can you please send a simple email to ………….( email removed for privacy), I will send you my real email from that account.

    I will try to respond to your question to the best of my abilities.

    1-Who are Muslims waiting for?
    Jesus Christ. We also believe that he will descend to earth and rid the world of the evils of the Anti-Christ. The main difference is that we believe that he will descend as a Muslim. (I know, there had to be a catch somewhere)

    2-Then who is the Mahdi?
    I’m not sure, according to Shiaa doctrine he will fight alongside Jesus Christ. Unfortunately since I was raised as a Sunni Muslim I don’t much about Shiaa doctrine.

    3-What about this 12th Imam stuff.
    Well the word Imam in Arabic basically means “he who leads”. In a religious context it would be more like “he who preaches”. In the Twelver Shiism (a branch of Shiia doctrine), an Imam is regarded more as a saint. You could read more at Wikipedia “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelvers”, it has a very through explanation (you might have to get acquainted with some of the Arabic terms though).

    4-And finally, what about the numerology predictions?
    BS. The people who believe in such things exist in all religions. These misguided people believe that there are hidden truths in the sacred texts waiting to be revealed. Yet for all it’s worth nobody has ever been able to predict anything other than what has already been _clearly_ prophesied in the sacred texts. The strongest of such arguments starts with “well Nostradamus propheciesed that …”. Associating events that have _already_ occurred with past prophecies in my opinion should be readily dismissed in any intellectual discussion.

    • Jesus Christ that Muslims believe in is not the same Jesus Christ Christians believe in…Muslim Isa was not crucified and was not the Son of God, Jesus Christ/Yeshua, was the Son of God/Elohim and He was crucified and rose from the dead…
      Isa (Muslim Jesus) did not die, but allah took him to heaven and, standing before him, chewed Isa out, telling him that he will come back to earth and aid the Mahdi in conquering the dajjal (Muslim anti-Christ) and telling everyone on earth that he lied, he is not the son of allah/God.
      Problem is that, my understanding in Islam, is that anyone that stands face to face with allah, not being worthy, will die…and Isa, having not died yet, stood before allah face to face and didn’t die…sounds like someone misinterpreted the Qur’an wrong…
      also, according to Christian Bible and supporting documents, and the Qur’an, and it’s supporting documents, the anti-Christ and the Mahdi are one in the same…just looked at in different views…pretty much like, in Star Wars, the Empire looked at Darth Vader as a good guy/ a Savior, as the Rebels looked at him as a very bad guy, a demon…

      • retireddon, we will se in the end, who is right

        • I’m sorry you feel that way…good thing your in the most tolerant religions, or I would be in trouble…but sad thing is this…one of allah’s names is the deceiver…one of satan’s names is the deceiver…coincidence? the Biblical anti-Christ will be Islamic, the mahdi will be Islamic, coincidence? the colors of the chariots and horses in Ezekiel and Revelation are the colors of the Palestinian flag, coincidence? in the battle of Gog and Magog, Israel is attacked by Islamic armies, and lost most of their troops because Hashem, Yahweh (the God of the Israelites) is the true and mighty God, and the countries the Bible talks about that attack Israel and lose are Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, and Ethiopia, as well as southern Russia (which are primarily Islamic), coincidence?

  17. Sorry one last note, in my previous post when I said that

    “the people that believe in the 12th Imam Mahdi are predominantly Shiites. But even then they only represent a small minority within the Shiite community.”

    I meant to say that the small minority are those who believe in the numerological aspect of the coming of the 12th Imam Mahdi, not the 12th Imam himself.

  18. Dear Achi

    Thank you for your comments. If you would like, I can add your contribution to the post here. Your email does not show to the public, just to me, so I can write back. You will get a copy of this response to the 2nd email given.

    blessings
    marianne

  19. Ok, I have used my real email this time.

    As for editing the post, well, it’s your post.

    If I’m allowed a say though I personally think you should leave it as is, it’s more interesting that way. Besides the real fun in a blog post has always been in reading the comments =)

    Cheers

  20. hi Achi

    ok. I will leave things this way. Note that I kept your “correct” email private, when you posted it. thank you for visiting.

    blessings
    marianne

  21. Jesus Christ,(the word), is G-d in human form that died on a cross for all mankind. Rose from the dead, and sits at the right hand of G-d Almighty.

    Jesus is not Muslim, nor is allah anything other than a false moon god Mohamed’s family had as thier number one god out of hundreds. Mohamed enjoyed murder, and rape.

    Muslims do not believe Christ died on a cross, and rose from the dead. They worship Allah. Allah Akbar. Allah is greatest. Meaning greatest of all other gods. More than one god. Get it.

    Turn away from your false gods while there is still time.

  22. Dear Leatherneck

    I hope people listen to you. Thanks

    blessings
    marianne

  23. you all idiots u dont knw that what ur are talkin bout Al – Quran is the revelation of the only god Allah (SWT) & speaks the truth which the world can see these days Islam is the true religion & believes in the only god. My dear freinds come to the true faith don’t get messed up in this idiotic worldly things this world is a dust the true life is hereafter. PATRICK plzz note that Imam Al Mahdi & Prophet Isaa Alayhi Salaam PBUH are to different persons & MARRIANE u wanna go to the heaven without being beheaded k 4 dis u need to accept Islam because only Muslims will allowed to enter the Paradise…. u r on a wrong way Whatever is it given in the Holy Quran is being proved for e.g the splittin of the moon by Prophet Muhammed PBUH & in the case of Imam Mahdi the shia sect have a differnt opinion bout the appearance of Imam Al Mahdi whereas Sunni’s have a different opinion go through the Sunni belief’s u’ll come to knw the fact bout this. For ur kind information ISLAM is the fastest growing religion in the West as it’s being accepted because of itz truth so try to get a Sunni Ulema & ask him ur doubts, clear it & accept the true faith.

    Thanks,

    Shahbaz Ahmed

    • I agree with you on one part Ahmed…Islam is the fastest growing…not because of truth, but its because of the Prince of Persia demon that is in charge of the earth right now…synchronized with Christian Pastors not training the Christian believers (the ones that believe in El Elohim and YAHVEH) to be disciples, only taught the majority to be followers, so the evil spirit of willful blindness, or, as we call it in the West..political correctness…

  24. Hi Shabaz

    I personally do not think the next Muslim ruler will be Shiite, although I could be wrong. The Mahdi is a Shiite concept, not a Sunni one, from what I can tell. I just present the information, and let people debate about it.

    I acknowledge the sincere belief that many Muslims have. I do not agree with the violence or the beheading. God loves me very much, and I love Him back. He does not want me hurt in any way. I am his spiritual child.

    It really does not matter to me what is growing fast and what isn’t. The bible predicted that in the last days, that wickedness would increase, and that violence would increase. That is why Jesus has to return, to stop the violence. Jesus is for peace.

    I pray that God reveals Himself to you in a special way, and that you feel his true presence in your life.

    blessings
    marianne

    • Pre supposition could cause a lifetime of failure. When u understand Islam a little more you will clearly understand that all roads lead to the Almighty.

      Sunni view of the Mahdi.
      He will be born close to the end times not made to appear after living a thousand years. Simple that is the only difference.

      • Only one rond leads to the Almighty. Jesus Christ. Believe in G-d’s love called the Christ. For G-d so loved the world he gave his only son to be a blood sacrifice for human sin. In this way we can live forever.

  25. allah is a false moon god, and Mohamed enjoyed murder, and rape. Islam is a hateful religion, and not one of peace.

    Just Google it.

    BTW, Islam is not the fastest growing religion. Christianty is. What do you nice folks think about the example of moon god worship with the trial of the Fort Dix moon god worshipers?

    The State Department keeps allowing them in. Strange.

  26. Leatherneck

    These are times of great delusions and propaganda. SOmeone form South Africa on another page just told me they are saying the Lord’s prayer there, putting Obama’s name in the prayer, as is he is god./

    instead of “hallowed be thy name….”

    they put

    “Obama is your name”

    that is blasphemy.

    blessings
    marianne

  27. The prophecies about end times are shared among judaism, christianity and islam. As with most domains of human knowledge and learning, like economics or psychology or physics, the frameworks/theories become better over time. Similarly, it is pretty common sense to realize that Islam must be a more evolved religion then the preceding two, each for a different time/stage of human development. Both Torah and the Bible clearly mention the coming of the last prophet.

    As for the concept of Anti-christ (Dajjal) fought by Al-Mahdi and later joined by Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) who finally kills the “Anti-christ” and prays behind Mahdi to join Christians and Muslims into one nation that fight together against the Zionist Jews is something that most muslims believe in and should believe in if they don’t. We don’t need to be apologetic for this belief.

    Islam is the last religion. The acts and weakness of Muslims should not reflect on Islam. In fact, it is mentioned in the Quran as the major reason for their oppression and troubles before the rise of Anti-Christ and Christ. In Judaism, many have replaced the Torah with Tamrud (A heretic deviation) and the Vatican tells the christians for centuries how to interpret the Bible. In both cases, authorities have biased what people believe to serve the church and the zionists. Islam is the only religion where interpretation of the Quran is left to the reader and there is no central authority in history that told people how to interpret it. It is the purest of books, and it is proven that it wasn’t messed around by a bunch of self-serving Religious Authorities, to serve their own interest.

  28. Moses and Jesus both are from Ibrahim as is Mohammad. Both are most-esteemed prophets for Muslims. Jesus is believed to be a miraculous birth from Virgin Mary.
    Infact, Allah spoke directly to Moses and not to Mohammad (PBUH) , and Moses helped Mohammad (PBUH) on his night journey to the presence of Allah.

    Mohammad is the last prophet. Am sure thousands of years manipulation by the church and jewish elders has muddled what u get from your holy books and religion but do some research, study the Quran and its instructions and u will realize that in every aspect it is more detailed and refined then the first two books of God. If you truly have faith and belief in God then it is your duty to search for the truth about God, don’t let ur conditioning effect what u are willing to discover and accept. it will be no excuse on the day of judgement.

  29. Hi Sik

    Thank you for sharing the Islamic view. I understand your devotion to your faith, as I am also devoted to mine. I feel secure in my personal relationship with Jesus, and I feel confident that his truth will prevail over the writings and teachings of man.

    blessings
    marianne

  30. Appreciate the opportunity to share my faith. May Peace be Upon us all.

  31. Sik Malik,

    Save your false god blessing for your fellow Muslims. In the Koran, Jesus did not die on a cross for human sin, nor did he rise from the dead, nor does he sit at the right hand of G-d the Father. What Jesus are you speading your Islamic lies about.

    Arafat murderd, and raped little boys. Just like Mohamed, and a perfect example of Islam.

    ROPMA

  32. LOVE IS THE ANSWER NOT BITTERNESS OR HATE, SHALOM

  33. Hi Nhel

    Truly, love is the answer. Being smart about our world helps too, so we can understand and prepare. I pray that the holy spirit brings some enlightenment and truth to people living in darkness, to spare them from the destruction ahead.

    blessings
    marianne

  34. if a gang is big enough , ppl will respect it as they r gods men .. this is the coward ugly side of human nature .. they killed and raped ppl in order to make ppl join their gang and muhammed was their leader .. i dont care themselves call this religon or gods will whatever .. it is the simple gangster style they still use to give fear to ppl .. and europe lives in a stocholm syndrome type of mood about this gang .. if there is a god he must do something about this ..

  35. Hello cake,

    There is a God. But there is only One that has the compassion and strength that you speak of. Jesus came to teach us the truth about our Father (Yahweh) in heaven. Those that believe him will find the peace they need, in the middle of a cruel and evil world. Jesus promised to return, to defend the saints who call upon him in faith, against those who are evil. We pray and believe he will come soon. While we wait, we are to help each other in love. Is there something I can do to help you?

    blessings
    marianne

  36. this is the SHIA idea and it is not of Mainstream Islam.
    90% of Muslims are Sunni and Shias are peculiar to IRAN/Persia.The timeline and the stories revealed by the author of this article comes from SHIA beliefs.
    Shias are considered as KAAFIR/ UNBELIEVERS by 90% of MUSLIMS through out History.

    • I am Muslim and I am shiat. the most wonderful this is that we as shia do not accuse others by being unbelievers, while others are accusing us without reading our books our thoughts.
      And regrading Imam Mahdi at Shia beliefs what is posted is not totally correct because the writer depends Sunni sources not the shia which have many differences.

      • salah

        As the writer, I am not muslim….I would not know a sunni source from a shiat one. As a christian, I am aware that I am considered a kafir also.

  37. Hi ilmy,

    I made a note at the beginning about this, that it seemed to represent a small percent of Muslims, but I will try to make it more clear. Sometimes, it is hard for non-Muslims to determine what the overall Islamic beliefs are, when there are 2 groups – Sunni and Shia – that do not agree on everything. Thank you.

    blessings
    marianne

  38. I am, a islamic missionary.

    This text is one more text anti-islamic full of mistakes . We Mussulmen do not believe in numerology , astrology, redeeming gods and neither in mythologies heathens.

    For western civilization created the crossed, inquisitions, two world wars, cold war, colonizations , traffic of drugs, decimated thousands of whole peoples : maias , incas, aztec , aborigenes(australia}), several African tribes, sent kill several “witches” and etc. The western civilization is the biggest criminal of the human history , we Mussulmen are victims and survive the aggression of these mythology biblica warriors, today capitalists.

    Imam mahdi is expected by sunni and shia , the difference is that for shia he already came and entered occultation. According to prophecy imam mahdi had turned with the return of Jesus Christ and both are going to change the world carrying peace and development where reigns terror and oppression. We do not hope that when they come islam goes “dominate the world”, we believe that God is going to dominate the world. In islam all is focused on God.

    Several islamic sects tell already have accomplished this prophecy, they stand out : “qadanis” , “aamanditas”(both believe that mirza gulan was mahdi and Jesus comes spiritually) and the “faith bahai” that is a islamic sect shia that believes that ali mohammad(bab) was imam mahdi and hussein ali( bahaullah )was the return of Jesus Christ.

  39. Hi Karl

    I got this information from Muslim sites, but apparently there are different views on this. I try to make corrections as Muslims make comments. I leave all comments here, so people can sort through this.

    blessings
    marianne

  40. Hi everybody, let me just clear this up with everyone, many of you are peed off with muslims
    I AM A MUSLIM
    I am a sunni muslim
    I do not believe in this bullcraap, i believe in A Mahdi, which means “guided one”, but I do not believe in number 12, etc…
    I do not believe he is hiding in a pit
    I do not believe he will come in 2014
    I do not believe that he will come in 2020
    I dont know eh n it will happen, i dont know how
    I AM A TRUE MUSLIM
    And i seek the refuge of god, not the media
    I do everything to please god, and I do 6 things in my life
    1. Believe in no god, but allah, and i believe in his messenger muhammad
    2. I pray daily
    3. I seek the knowledge of god, and I always remember god
    4. I treat others as how i would lke to be treated
    5. Everything i do, i check my intention whether it is wrong or right, in the beginning, the middle and the end
    6. And finally, I give guidance to people who believe in more than one god, who have been led astray

    I AM A TRUE MUSLIM, like the rest of the 90%

    Afsar

    • Assalam O Alaikum brother,nice to see 6 Sifaats in you may Allah bless everyone of us with it.Please plan for 4 months to save Imaan.Please do search on youtube for”ALI YAKUB MIRACLE” its amazing

  41. HI Afsar,

    Thank you for contributing. One thing we seem to agree upon is that Jesus will return. Let us live in peace until he comes, and he will answer all questions.

    blessings
    marianne

  42. Hi ilmy,

    I forgot to ask. Are you Muslim? I was not sure if you were jut commenting about Muslims, or you were speaking from experience, as a Muslim.

    blessings
    marianne

  43. Just to confirm, yes I am a muslim
    Do you jews and christians not realise whats happening?
    The good jews and the good christians will follow the same jesus that we are awaiting, all the mahdi will do is take us to him.
    the antichrist will tell everyone, “oh, i am god, believe in me”, and god will give him the ability of magic and deceivement, so he will do some magic, and he will say, “i am the true jesus, i am your god, belive in me or i will kill you”, if the person is pious enough, then he will say, “if you kill me, it is not you who will kill me, but my god (allah)”, then the antichrist will kill him, and bring him back to life and request one more time, “believe in me, or i will kill you”, then the person will say, “youve already tried to kill me once, but you werent successful, do it again”
    The antichrist will have the word “hypocrite/nonbeliever” written on his forehead, and he will be defective in one eye
    But only truely pious people would see that
    Jesus will look so handsome that noone will be able to look directly into his face
    Do you not see?
    Our jesus is your jesus
    But you jews and christians have been led astray
    Believe in your moses, believe in your jesus, we believe in your moses, we believe in your jesus, but do you believe in our muhammad?
    Look at the greatness of god, it is because of the greatness of god that we can breath, we have two eyes, not even a leaf falls off a tree without the will of god.
    124,000 messengers were sent to this earth, the first of which was adam.
    moses, jesus, and muhammad were of these 124,000 prophets.
    moses came first, jesus came second, and muhammad came third
    moses brought us the torah, and we followed the torah, for thousands of years, until the scripts were altered, then jesus brought us the bible, and we followed the bible till the scripts were altered, then god sent the quran, and he said, “this is the last book, and i will protect this book, and this book will not be altered, because this book will be in the hearts of the people”
    So what does that mean?
    Hearts of the people means that people will memorise all 114 chapters of the book, go search for hafiz in google, billions of people have memorised the quran word for word
    The jews and christians of today follow the altered scripts
    Follow us
    The people who altered the books made you drink wine
    Follow us
    Follow our prophet
    Follow our peace
    And you will follow the true jesus
    The mahdi is just a normal person, spritualist, who will take the army of the good jews, good christians, and good muslims to jesus
    Jesus or the antichrist, you decide

  44. “Our Jesus is your Jesus.”

    In the Koran, Jesus did not die on a cross for human sin, then rise from the dead to sit at the right hand of G-d the Father. G-d the Father said Jesus was his son. The word made flesh. who lived a perfect life because his soul was of G-d.

    What Jesus are you writing about Afsar?

    • Sir as in Islam or in Christanity Jesus did not die, he disappeared, he was taken to heaven and will return soon

  45. Afsar,

    Are you aware Mohamed was not a man of peace? He enjoyed murder, and rape.

    I will never follow your prophet. I believe in Christ’s blood washed away sin for all mankind. I suggest you read up on the subject before it is to late.

    G-d died for you, because he loved you.

  46. Whats god backwards? Subliminal message
    Thats why I choose to write the word ALLAH
    And as for the Leathernecks response about Gods soul in Jesus, why would a creator create something, and put himself in it?
    Doesnt make sense
    Muhammad was the most precious creation to Allah
    Your religion has been infiltrated
    And I have proved it too, but you still choose to listen to Iblis (Shat’aan / Satan (As the infiltrators renamed it))
    Our religion hasnt changed since 1400 years ago, our women still wear hijab, and you westerns swear at them and call them “ninjas”, why?
    Because that is the TRUE islam
    Not suicide killings
    Revise up, time is short

  47. Hello everyone,

    The correct name for the god of the old and new testament is Yahweh.

    The soul of Jesus was special. The Father did give Jesus his spirit, so that he could do the miracles that he did on earth, so he could rise from the dead, raise others from the dead, and so he could ascend into heaven. A normal soul cannot do this.

    The soul of Jesus would also have to be special, because even the Muslims expect him to return to earth. And again, no normal person who dies is able to do this. This means that Jesus has special qualities that other people do not have.

    This is something else to think about. Jesus is special. He has the ability to defeat the Antichrist. No human will be able to do this except Jesus. So how is this possible, unless the Father in heaven gives him a special soul, different from all others?

    blessings
    marianne

  48. Lol Afsar. I wish you good luck.

  49. The Sunnis have a conception of the Mahdi too…. Please read Timothy Furnish’s book “Holiest Wars”. There have been Sunni uprisings where “holy” Sunni men have claimed to be the Mahdi. It’s a misconception to think that the Mahdi is merely a Shia belief.

  50. Hi K.

    Depending on which muslim I talk to, I get a different story. I keep trying to make corrections, based on what people tell me. Your comment is duly noted. Thank you for the book reference.

    blessings
    marianne

    • My dears it is an easy answer for all disbelievers of Islam that Muslims are giving
      Challenge to you that can you bring all the bible or any other revealed book from different
      Parts all over the world having same wording, no you can’t because your holy books are changed
      By your on peoples but I guarantee all Muslims give guarantee even God given
      The guarantee that Holy Quran Will be saved as it is revealed and from where ever
      You want to bought it will have the wording and even zer zabar will be same so how could u deny it if you believe that
      It is not same then you can search about the oldest Quran even u will see the same thing written
      Because Allah almighty took the responsibility of it.

  51. The muslims of today have too many conceptions and theories, and it is clearly stated in the Qur’an, that if one is to follow these misconceptions and theories, then his life will lead to destruction. We have the Qur’an as our guide, and the Hadith as our Manual, we cannot understand the Qur’an without the Hadith, and we can not understand the Hadith without the Qur’an
    Everything about a muslims life should come from the Hadith and the Qur’an, nowhere else, and thats including some men who believe they are the Mahdi
    According to the actions of our prophet, muhammad, peace be upon him (Hadith), and the holy Qur’an:
    A Mahdi (guided one) will come and assemble an army
    The mahdi will lead the army to the true Isa, peace be upon him, (Jesus). And thats when the war will begin
    All other matters based upon the Mahdi are false, including this one.
    Sunnis resemble 90% of the muslim population on the earth, and shias resemble 9%
    We (sunnis), consider shias to be none other than non-believers and hypocrites, and our religion, (Islam), gives us main reasons to when us muslims can kill a man
    These reasons are:
    1.He is a homosexual, or commits adultery (Stone him to death)
    2.He creates diversion (Fitna) and misleads Muslims
    3.An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life
    4.Your religion is at stake because of this person (e.g. Salman Rushdi)

    Under no circumstances whatsoever should any other person be killed
    And in order to get permission to kill someone on these basis, you have to consult a scholar first
    YOU CANNOT HARM INNOCENTS
    YOU CANNOT HARM WOMEN
    YOU CANNOT HARM CHILDREN
    YOU CANNOT HARM YOURSELF (suicide)

    This is Shar’iah law, and it has come from the Qur’an and the Hadith
    And it is the most soffisticated law on Earth
    And it is the best law on Earth
    Shias create Fitna (Diversion), most of them are homosexual, and they are jeopardising our religion by putting this kind of bullshit about the Mahdi on the internet, it is all a lie, even our prophet muhammad, peace be upon him, couldnt give years and dates of when the Mahdi would come, so how can a couple of Shias say this?
    Our Prophet said to his followers, to the nearest meaning, to pray to Allah, to make sure that your children are not born in the time of the antichrist, because it will be the biggest test on this life on a muslim
    And when he comes, run away from him, do not go near him, because he will be given the ability to make people non-believers by just looking unto them
    So now please tell me, how the fuck can some people say this about the Mahdi?
    We dont know ehn he’ll come
    We dont know who he is
    We dont know where his coming from
    We dont know anything, and everything in this article is a lie
    Theres only one thing I know about the Mahdi, he will come, and thats it
    Close this article, all its doing is creating diversion amongst muslims, christians, and jews

    • Whatever. non sense. Savages way. A religion is for peace not for killing. You are twisting the word of Allah for your benefit and Your savage and backward way of life. You are all morons ans will suffer in hell. inshaallah.

  52. Afsar, do you really believe the load you just wrote? The only innocent people in the Koran are your fellow Muslims. Your fellow Muslims blow themselves up all the time. It is called suicide.

    Which Jesus do Muslims believe in? The Jesus that died on a cross, bleed for the sins of all humans, and rose from the dead? Perhaps, you believe in another Jesus, that did not die on a cross, but lived to have a family.

    I look forward to you not answering any of the above stated questions, because we both know you are misleading the Infidel.

    Look up Allah, and read the Doctor level reports on your moon god.

  53. Hello Afsar,

    If you look at the post, you can see I made corrections. People will see that this is a Shia view, not a Sunni. God judges each person by what is in their hearts. It is his judgment that matters, not man’s. So just focus on your own life, and what it should be. Do not harm anyone, and seek God for the truth about him, and who Jesus is, and what Jesus taught. That way, you will be prepared when Jesus comes.

    blessings
    marianne

  54. Leatherneck, you make me laugh
    Your religion has been infiltrated, and no I do not believe that my beloved prophet Isa, who you call Jesus, bled on the cross, nor is he the son of god
    Have you heard the story of horus?
    Horus we resurrected from the dead, he was born/dead on 25th December, he bled on a cross, and most importantly, he was the sun god of the ancient egyptians.
    And guess what symbol is associated with horus?
    An eye, the eye of the freemasons
    Your religion teaches you nothing but to become part of the zionist project, to hate muslims, and take over the middle east to make way for the antichrist
    I used to be a monk, believe it or not
    Then i became buddhist, then hindu, then sikh, then jewish, and now muslim
    I have memorised the whole of the Qur’an, the Torah, and the Bible, word for word
    And the only true religion is Islam
    ***************************
    Surely, you have heard of the true anticrhist, the dajjal
    He will be defective in one eye, and it will say clearly on his forehead, “NON BELIEVER / KAFFIR”
    How do you think that I will follow such an evil person?
    Revise up, time is short

  55. Afsar,

    The real Jesus has nothing to do with Horus. What we are dealing with is a BIG confusion created by the catholic church. The catholic church was paganized by the Roman Constantine, and we have had trouble ever since, trying to stop foolish doctrines from representing Christianity. I do not support false doctrines on my site.

    This is the purpose of my site – to correct errors, and to tell what is really in the bible, and tell who Jesus really is.

    Jesus was NOT catholic. He was Jewish. He was not born on Dec 25th, and he has nothing to do with eye of free masons. Jesus did die on the cross, he lay dead for 3 days, and he rose again from the dead. There are Roman government history records of his death, so he DID die. Then, 40 days later he ascended into heaven. 10 days after that, he sent the Holy Spirit to come down on his followers to give them strength and special presence of God.

    Jesus taught us to love our neighbor, and to love our enemies. That means we love everyone. We do not hate anyone. We are allowed to reject and fight evil behavior and thoughts, but not hate the people doing it. There are people, however, who are upset because Muslims have killed innocent people. Many Muslims also take young girls – almost still babies – for wives. You will have to understand that they have a right to be upset. Even you are upset about these people.

    What I would like you to do here is ask, what does the bible teach about Jesus (Isa), and who is he? This is just one page on my site. I have over 200 pages. I look at different beliefs, and see what they say. I also compare the beliefs to the bible. Is what people believe true or not true? I do not always agree with what you see Christians teaching on TV.

    blessings
    marianne

  56. My only hope is to be seen by G-d the Father through Christ’s perfect blood that was shed for human sin. For I truly deserve to be sent to hell.

    I accept the free gift of G-d’s love, so I can be allowed into Heaven.

    ********************
    ***********************

    Good luck to you Afsar.

  57. That reminds me….
    ****************************

    Threats are not allowed.

  58. ************
    I’m just assuming your “clients” interpretation with this theoretical propoganda talk.

    This is a merely childish argument, and as I’ve always said, lets leave ths here, for I know that I am the truth talker.

    As Allah is my witness, if this day of Qiyamah, (day of this battle), occurs in my lifetime, *****************************

  59. *****************

    propoganda talk here Marianne

    REGARDS

  60. Afsar,

    **********
    Only God can read the hearts and minds of people. You might want to reevaluate your appeal to others, since you claim peace, but **********

    Just because someone makes one angry, does not give one the right to judge them as if they are God.

    Be glad you are elsewhere, and not here. Americans are preparing to defend themselves with the proper equipment, and *** sword will not work here.

    This is an academic site. I just discuss different viewpoints. I make corrections as people make comments. I think that is fair enough. *********** there may be other sites that would appeal to you better.

    blessings
    marianne

  61. ******************

    Good luck to you Afsar.

  62. **********

    thank you
    marianne

  63. Do you see Marianne?
    I have nothing wrong to say about the Jesus you believe in
    And you christians, and jews have everything to say about my prophet?
    Quote: “Mohamed would be proud of you Afsar. You want to cut heads off. The religion of peace shows it’s true colors.”
    ************************
    Quote: “Like you are god”
    You SAY, that you are just a moderator, moderating a discussion
    ***********************8
    And neither are the majority of the 1.5 billion Muslim society
    However, you leave a prejedistic comment in the main title of your article, to which I take offense to
    I dont think you understand quite clearly, Marianne
    SHIAS are non believers, kufr, I spit on their ancestors graves
    They are hypocrites, and they originated from the illuminati, and the freemasons
    They are not muslim
    I am SUNNI, like the other 1.5 billion of us muslims
    I am not anticipating any return, or awaiting anything
    It is against my religion, the teachings from god, and the teachings of our prophet to anticipate or estimate or calculate and publish when and how these typed of things will occur, or if they will occur
    It is strictly AGAINST Islam
    Change your title to Shi’ite’s Countdown to the 12th Mahdi

  64. Hello Asfar,

    I am glad to hear from you. ************ I want good discussion, not threats or bad words. ****************

    I do update my post when people make comments. I can add Shia to the title. I have already tried to make it clear about it being a Shia belief in the text.

    I have to stay objective. If I had a Shia come to the site, then they would call you the kaffir, not them. I do understand and acknowledge that Sunnis are the majority. I think that if there were a future world leader of Islam, it would most likely be a Sunni, since that is what most Muslims are. However, people like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are real forces to deal with. And a Mahdi figure could arise from that area. So I do consider all possibilities.

    Thank you for coming back. I wish you peace.

    blessings
    marianne

  65. Hello Asfar,
    you said you memorized the whole bible.
    (Thats really really great! I wish i could do that!)

    Didnt you find truth in it?
    We both think its divinely inspired, dont we..
    Can you imagine a caring creator, who inspires the whole bible over a period of 1600 years, and then sits back, relaxes and does NOT care if its altered?
    To say he does not care or has not the power to preserve his divine word, is imo an offence against the abilities and love of our creator.
    (Indeed foundings of old scrolls confirm that it not has been altered until today)
    You do know and believe the bible – what does god say about Jesus? Please, dear friend, share with me your view about that.

    What does Jesus teach about love? He taught: Love even your enemy.
    Do your love your enemy… or do you rather want to destroy them?

    Gods deep peace be with you

  66. Hi Silavanus,

    ********** about memorizing the Bible. He has never seen one. ***************

    marianne

  67. Its funny they think they are believing in Jesus, but mostly had never read the original and genuine source of information about him.
    Even Common sense is calling this a naive behaviour.

  68. Marianna, I have memorised the Guru Granth Sahib, Torah, Bible, and 80% of the Qur’an
    This is not my way of persuading no one, in fact, I should spend more time persuading myself more than anyone else
    I am a human, I am sinful, like the rest of mankind
    Nobody is perfect
    Nobody can be like Jesus, Moses, or Muhammad (peace be upon them)
    Allah, is the greatest, he is the greatest planner, achiever, the beneficient, the wonderful
    Silvanus, like you, I was deep into Christianity, I would call myself a Protestant though
    I would go to church every morning at 6AM, and visit a Minister about my faith
    The reason I’d do this was because I believed in the majority of the stuff that was there in the Bible, but there were two major things I appreciated, but did not believe in
    1. The trinity
    2. Christmas
    And this made me leave Christianity, and move onto Judaism
    Immediately, I found a lot more interest in Judaism, and I started studying the differences between the different sects, I started following Zionism, and I was a very strict follower of it
    In 2004, I left zionism, and became a Muslim
    The peace that I found here in Islam, is amazing
    I have being studying the Qur’an now for almost 5 years, and I have memorised 92 chapters
    I visit a freemasonic grand lodge every Friday, and give knowledge of Islam to the members there every Friday, every Friday I go, I have not missed one Friday for the last year
    All praise be to Allah, they listen, and they want to learn more, but I have not managed to convert any of them
    Now that I have given you a brief background of my life, give me some of yours leatherneck, marianna, and Silvanus
    Did you know that the name Muhammad is only mentioned in the Qur’an a handful of times?
    Did you know that our knowledge and understanding of our religion comes from multiple sources?
    Silvanus, I have read the true scripts, and I have read everything I needed to have read (All praise be to Allah)
    And I can say today, that Islam is the only true Monothetic religion
    I am a protector of my faith, I am not here to accuse anyone, to mislead anyone, to confuse anyone, to convert anyone, to convince anyone, to correct anyone, or to critisize anyone
    Everything I have said in this blog up until the present day has been to persuade marianna to change the title of her blog to 2014-2019 Shia’s countdown to the 12th Mahdi
    A shia is a member of a sect within a sect
    Similar to a Karaite Jew, who would hate and critisize Rabbinic Jews
    I am not counting anything, no true muslim on earth would believe in this
    There is so much division in Islam today that it is unbearable
    Only 0.000000000001% of Muslims approve of terrorists, for instance
    Do you know what I think of terrorists?
    They should be brutally murdered, by a member of their own descent, with a saw, upwards from in between his legs, up to his skull, and he should be left, unburied, and labelled as a kufr, and if this member of his own descent is not willing to do this to him, then he is not a Muslim
    That is how much I hate a terrorist
    If a man was to brutally murder my wife, and 3 of my children, I would have nothing to do or say to him, I would pray for him
    This, in contrast shows how much I hate terrorists, and how much they have mislead the world, and are destroying our religion
    Marianne, ISLAM, has nothing to do with this article at all
    The only people that this article should be of Interest to, is Shias
    Please remove your OPINION
    And replace it with FACT
    FACT = “2014-2019 Shia’s countdown to the 12th Imam Mahdi”
    OPINION = “2014-2019 Islam’s – - – - – -”
    Not even all Shia’s believe in this, only a small minority of Shia’s would believe in this, again, they are a sect within a sect within a sect
    Probably 1.5% of the Muslim population

    • Hello Afsar, you made some interesting points in your above blog. I would like to commend on some of them, if I may.
      First of all, let me thank Marianne for her great effort for providing a common platform for both Christians and Muslims to come together and talk freely on their views and beliefs with love and respect for each other. Thank you, Marianne.
      Afsar, I find you are a sincere seeker of the Truth. You studied Guru Granth Sahib, Christianity, Judaism and Islam. You also said you memorized most of the Bible, so I can take the liberty to quote from the Scripture freely to prove my points.
      You try to compare Jesus with Mosses and Muhammad. We cannot compare the Creator with the creation. Let me explain. The Scripture clearly states. John 1. (v.1…) “the Word (Jesus Christ) was God “ …. (v.2) “All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made”! And again, Colossians 1.16 says: “For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are in earth,,,,,,,, . All things were created through Him and for Him.” So, Jesus Christ is the creator. He is uncreated. He is eternally existing God. Mosses was mortal, born to mortal human being. Muhammad was mortal, born to mortal being. Jesus Christ is Unique from all other religious leaders and Gurus. He came down from Heaven and took the form of a man (Phil. 2.6-7) through the Virgin Birth (not by the will of man), in order to die on the cross for the sins of the world. He is incomparable!
      You said, you are a sinner, like everybody. That’s a good starting point. Only a sinner needs a Savior! In the eyes of a Holy God, any and all good works we do to earn our salvation are nothing but only a filthy rags!! (Isaiah 64.) I know in Islam, it is our good works that earns our salvation. According to this belief, at the end of our life, if our good works weigh more than the bad, we will go to heaven. I would like to ask to those who hold that belief, how they can be sure of their eternal salvation while they are here? By whose standard they are measuring their good works! — God’s standard, or their standard! God’s Standard is far above than our standard. Something to think about! — That’s why the Scripture says: “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” (Rom. 3.23). It is only through the Supreme Sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross, a sinner is reconciled to a Holy God. Jesus said in Mark 10.45 that He came to give His life a ransom for all (Also, please see 1 Tim. 2.6). He said: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man can come unto Father, but by Me.” (John 14. 6 ). Many years ago (about 40 yrs. ago in a remote village in India) I heard a sermon by Dr. Akbar (a convert from Islam and an associate of Billy Graham Evangelistic Assn.) He said: “What Muhammad did for my salvation? Nothing! …. But when I look to Jesus, He laid down His life for me. He died on the Cross to pay for my sins, and now, I am free!” — (paraphrased from memory). The world had seen many religious leaders and gurus, but none claimed that they came to lay their life as a sin offering. Only Jesus did! So when we confront Jesus, there is only two alternatives, as C.S. Lewis said, either we reject Him as a mad man, or fall down at His Feet and Worship Him saying “My Lord and My God”, as one of the doubting disciples did!
      Afsar, you also said you were deep into Christianity and used to go to Church. But two major “stuffs” made you to leave Christianity –
      (1) Trinity, and
      (2) Christmas.
      Let me explain. I am a Christian, a firm believer in Jesus Christ. I don’t observe Christmas. I don’t believe in it! If some group of people observe Christmas, I am not going to lose my faith in Christ. If we let our faith depend upon what others do, our eternity will be at stake. Our faith should be rooted in the Scripture!
      Now, the Trinity – There is a big misconception among others about this. Let me tell you very emphatically, Christians do not worship 3 gods. We believe in One God, and we worship One God. Now, the Scripture clearly reveals there is 3 distinct Persons in the Godhead. Sometimes it is hard to understand this mystery with our finite mind. God Himself is a mystery! We can only know Him as He reveals to us. Probably, there are lot more other things, we do not know about God! But as I meditated on this subject, I was so moved by this uniqueness of God. We all know, God Is LOVE! He is not a totalitarian Dictator! He is ONE, but at the same time, He is also LOVE. LOVE requires expression! God expresses His Love, being in Unity with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All Three works in harmony and in Unity from the beginning of Creation —- Trinity in Unity and Unity in Trinity —- 1 x 1 x 1 = 1!!! ….. There is more I want to say from the Scripture, but I pray, God will reveal you the Truth. Blessings.
      Sam

  69. Hi Asfar,

    I changed the title.

    ********* you memorized the entire bible. No human has ever done this. It is too long. Only God can do this, ***********

    ************ If I had God’s brain, then I would not need any minister to teach me.

    Tell me now, with proof, what does bible say about the Father and the Son, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? give me verses, since you have memorized the bible.

    Let me see if you know the answer to this good question, my friend. :)

    blessings
    marianne

    PS. The bible has
    old testament : 39 books, 929 chapters, 23,214 verses, 593,493 words,
    new testament: 27 books, 260 chapters, 7959 verses, 181,253 words

    You are telling me that you have memorized:
    66 books
    1189 chapters
    31,1173 verses
    774,746 words !!!!!!!

    ****************

    PPS
    That is 1678 pages in my Bible……!!
    ******************

  70. Dear Asfar,
    the Bible is so huge, written by over 40 people from different ages and cultures… and even though no one contradicts the other!
    Indeed, they are absolute harmonic!
    Also there are hundreds of proofable prophecies fulfilled.
    What do you need else of proof that its divine,
    inspired by the living creator?
    Honestly, can you say that about the Quran?

    Asfar, before i answer your question about my background, i would like to hear your answers about my previous questions.

    Do you believe in the teachings of Jesus to love even your enemy?
    Wait, you gave the answer already..

    i quote you:

    Our jesus is your jesus…
    Under no circumstances whatsoever should any other person be killed…

    I cannot wait to take your head off on the day your “antichrist” will come…
    ***************.

    *******************.

    It is common sense that it is NOT possible to force an unbeliever with death threads to have genuine faith from heartbottom.
    Its impossible.
    But thats what your god wants to do, right?
    Your god will not have true believers this way.

    Dont you realize that your Jesus from Quran is not the same as from the bible?
    You simply dont believe in Jesus Christ from Nazareth, who died on the tree for our sins.

    I dont expect an answer, or will you surprise me?

  71. Shortly after Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected Iran’s fifth post-revolutionary president in July 2005, he convened a cabinet meeting for an urgent discussion of one of the issues closest to his heart – the return of the 12th imam. All streams of Islam believe in a divine savior, known as the mahdi, who will appear at the end of days. For many Shi’a Muslims, the 12th imam, Muhammad ibn Hassan, a direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad, who went into occlusion in the ninth century at the age of nine, is the main object of their faith.

    Devotion to the 12th imam is particularly prevalent in Iran where the majority of the population are known as “Twelvers.” It is an article of faith for Iranian Shi’a that the return of the hidden imam, as he is also known, will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed and then lead the world to an era of universal peace.

    From the moment he assumed the presidency, Ahmadinejad, who is a dedicated adherent to the cult of the 12th imam, wanted to make sure that everything was ready for the return. At one of his first cabinet meetings…..
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233304835451&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

  72. Its one second to midnight:

    U.N.: Iran holds enough uranium for bomb

    By Daniel Dombey in Washington

    Published: February 19 2009 21:18 | Last updated: February 20 2009 00:51

    Iran has built up a stockpile of enough enriched uranium for one nuclear bomb, United Nations officials acknowledged on Thursday.

    In a development that comes as the Obama administration is drawing up its policy on negotiations with Tehran over its nuclear programme, UN officials said Iran had produced more nuclear material than previously thought.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f367aada-fec8-11dd-b19a-000077b07658,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2Ff367aada-fec8-11dd-b19a-000077b07658.html%3Fnclick_check%3D1&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raptureready.com%2Frapnews_db.php&nclick_check=1

  73. Hi Silvanus

    Thank you for all the information.

    This other page is heating up a little too:
    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/god%E2%80%99s-war-on-terror%E2%80%A6-the-200-million-man-army/#comment-6217

    Watch and pray!!!!

    blessings
    marianne

  74. Sorry for spamming, but i feel its so important:

    When Americans were asked whom they admired enough to call their No. 1 hero, the majority of respondents answered “President Obama.”
    The same question was also asked in 2001 – except, in that year, Jesus Christ was the No. 1 answer.
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89436

    Could the historical significance more obvious?
    Scripture is being fulfilled before our very eyes!
    Obama is simply the “new Messiah” for the people!

    Its one second to midnight.

  75. :), as I said, I’m not here to prove anything
    Only to get the title changed, and guess what?
    Have a look at the title :)

  76. Surprise surprise!
    You see, i was right… no answer.. because neither you have none, nor there is one..
    But you have reached your goal changing titles.

    I hope you at least learned that the Jesus who really lived says to you:
    LOVE EVERYONE, EVEN YOUR ENEMY !

    Love is the greatest gift for us, also for god, and he does NOT want that you are killing his beloved creation!
    Do you hear me! He HATES that you kill!

    No unbeliever will believe because of death threads or torture!
    There is NO way!
    You must understand this!
    Do you hear me! **************

  77. Asfar!
    When you are creative..
    If you create some thing.. like a painting or machine..
    Do you love it if its perfect?
    Will you be sad and angry if someone destroys your Master Piece?

    See, and so does god … !

  78. Hi Asfar,

    *********************

    you *** represents Islam on this page,********* But, you also met a very nice, understanding person, me, who understands you, so your comments were still accepted. Just think about this. We can learn from our mistakes.

    So, you are always welcome to visit here, **************

    you have never read the bible. You have missed a lot of truth, and true prophecy. I encourage you to do this sometime, and then write back with questions. I would be happy to answer them.

    blessings
    marianne

  79. Dear Asfar,

    ***********************

    An Islamic principle is that whatever leads to something that is forbidden is also forbidden. In this way, Islam intends to block all avenues leading to what is haram. For example, Islam forbids extramarital sex as well as anything that leads to it or makes it attractive (e.g., seductive clothing, private meetings and casual mixing between men and women, depicting nudity, pornography, obscene songs, and so on).

    Islam forbids whatever leads toward the haram, so obscene gestures lead to obscene behaviors, which is haram.

    You need to ask for God’s guidance in how you present your faith – Istikhara. ****

    blessings
    marianne

  80. Hi Asfar,

    It looks like either a family tree or some sort of genetic map. What is it supposed to be? Either way, we should honor God in our behavior, not dishonor him.

    You know, I think you are starting to like me.!!! :)

  81. great blog concerning this, my thoughts on prophecy change slightly as world events unfold , and more understanding is given. i also believe the comming mahdi will be the anti-christ or the false prophet , not sure which one. what are some of your thought concerning the 112th or last pope ? which i believe will be either the anti-christ or false prophet as well. together the mahdi and maybe the last pope will be able to convert all islam and alot of so called christians to the one world religion, but not the elect. and for you asfar i know in my life time the holy spirit will give me the strength to lay my head down for the name of jesus to a murderous people like yourself. call me crazy but the one thing that we cannot escape is death and i dont want to die from drugs, car crash or peacefully in my sleep. but to give my life back to the one who gave me life in the first place. this is the way i want to leave this life. the flesh is not strong enough to accomplish this only through the holy spirit. i will be spiritually strong enough through the grace of god and my faith when the time is here which is soon. i owe jesus my life, forever indebted. i hope you find true peace asfar i will pray for you.

  82. Greetings, and Allahs (Gods) mercy to all my brothers and sisters
    Every Male on this Earth are brothers, and Every Female on this Earth are sisters, likewise, Males and Females are brothers and sisters, and we should get along with one another
    It is a great blessing of Allah, that we have been given the ability today like every other day we have lived, to touch, smell, taste, see, and hear. What would we do if we were not born with these senses, we should thank Allah that he has given us our five senses. Every one of us are equal, nobody is better than another in the eyes of Allah. Allah loves a human 70 times more than that human is loved by his mother, whether he be a muslim, christian, jew, hindu, sikh, or any other religion. Nothing happens without the will of Allah, not even a blade of grass grows without the will of Allah, not even a rain drop falls without the will of Allah. Allah created the mountains when there wasnt a single grain of sand, Allah created the deserts when there wasnt a single blade of Grass, Allah created the sea, when there wasnt a single drop of water. Allah is the greatest, nothing is comparable to Allah, nothing is as perfect as Allah. Nothing is as knowledgeable as Allah. Nothing is as beneficient as Allah. Nothing is as wise as Allah. He is the sustainer, the do-er, the beneficient, the merciful, the all-knowing, the planner, the greatest. Allah is so great that our minds cannot comprehend how great Allah is. Allah created manking as the prime of all creations, we are the best of all creations. Allah has given us our eyes, mouths, nose, ears, Allah has given us so much. There are people in this world who are born disabled, yet we do not thank Allah for giving us our health, (All praise be to Allah). Allah is the one who gives respect, Allah is the one who gives disgrace, Allah is the one who sustains us. How often do we thank Allah for sustaining us every day? Allah sustains all the birds, fish, insects, humans, because it is the will of Allah, yet we neglect this fact amongst other things? How can this be right? According to our religion (I am a muslim), approximately 124,000 prophets came down to this earth, amongst them, was Moses (Moosa, peace be upon him), Jesus (Isa, peace be upon him), and Mohammad (peace be upon him). They all had a worry and concern for the population of the world, and they came to this earth as messengers, to convey a message, La-Illah-Ha-Illa-Allah (there is none worthy of worship, but Allah). After these 124,000 prophets, there are no more prophets to come, Mohammad (peace be upon him), was the seal of the prophets. Nuh (Noah, peace be upon him), conveyed the message of La-Illah-Ha-Illa-Allah for approximately 950 years. In our history of the prophets lifestyles, there are many cases of the companions of the prophets, known as the Sahaba. These were close friends of the prophets, and their issues and cases have been recorded in history. They went through so many hardships conveying the message of La-Illah-Ha-Illa-Allah, they were by no means messengers. But it is the duty of all muslims like myself, to convey this message, to not be selfish, and to invite others to good, and to Allah. This is the duty of all muslims. So, Inshallah (god willing), all of us should come to the mosque more often and perfect our salaat, and strengthen our yaqeen (belief), in the kalima, La-Illah-Ha-Illah-Allah-Muhammad-Ur-Rasullullah
    Are all muslims ready for this my brothers?
    And likewise, a note to all non-muslims, I am in no position to judge anybody, you may be better than me, whatever I say to you, I cannot get you to understand the reality of this message, only Allah can give you the guidance to follow this message. This message was sent down from Allah to mankind, and our prophet, (Muhammad – peace be upon him), has practiced this message and shown us the way to life. If all the muslims of the world were to get together and try to get one person to convert to Islam, if Allah does not want guidance to fall unto that person, then he will not convert to Islam, Everything is in the help and hands of Allah. Allah says if you call to him, he will call to you in a superior gathering (amongst angels), if you walk to him, he will run to you
    If you seek the guidance of Allah, and ask for the guidance from Allah, then Allah will offer you his guidance, but for this a small effort is required. Are all my non-muslim brothers and sisters ready for this Inshallah? (God willing)
    Jazakallah (May Allah repay you), for reading this

  83. ************ You can not have a relationship with a god that can not see, or hear. *************

    Repent of your sins to G-d the Father who came to live inside a human body called Jesus the Christ, murdered on the cross for all mankind’s sin, and rose to sit at the right hand of G-d the Father.

    May G-d grant you peace, and understanding Khan.

  84. ***********************
    Islam follows Allah, and our prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
    I quote: “La-Illah-Ha-Illa-Allah – There is no deity worthy or worship but Allah, and his apostle Muhammad, is his messenger” (peace be upon him)
    If there was god who was so great, and so powerful, why would he come to live inside a human body?
    Why would he have himself killed?
    I’m sure that if God wanted to show manking how sinful they are, he would come in a more superior form?
    Our religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)
    Is like a timeline, Judaism came first, Christianity second, and Islam third
    The first prophet of these books (Torah, Bible, Qur’an), was indeed Moses, the second, Jesus, and the third Muhammad
    We call the torah, the Tawrah, or Tawraht
    We call the bible, the injeel
    And the Qur’an, the Qur’an
    We believe in your books, but your books were altered
    And that is our belief

  85. Yes, I understand your belief. Our books are not altered, and our G-d does not ask us to die for him.

    If you stand alone before G-d when you die, you will be judged against the law. You must be perfect to make it to heaven.

    G-d sent the word to live inside a human body. Only G-d can live a perfect life inside a human body. Then G-d died for all human sin. If you accept G-d’s love for you,(Christ), You will not have to face judgement alone against the law of G-d.

    This is why G-d put himself on earth inside a human body.

    Adam choose to eat of the fruit, so Eve would not die. Adam sinned in order to save Eve. This was not good enough for G-d’s law. G-d must have a perfect sacrifice. Christ’s blood on the cross washes away your sins if you would accept it in your heart.

    ***********.

    I have read both. Make up your own mind with information outside the Koran, and Hadiths. *********************

    The truth is written out of love, so all will not be sent to hell.

    • To all,

      ***********************

      I think the main reason to say that Islam is not a continuation of the biblical religions, is that it denies the bible.

      Allah is not Yahweh.

      blessings
      marianne

  86. *****************
    If you read the eye witness accounts of what my prophet done for his god, and what sacrifices he went through, your heart would tremble

  87. *****************

    ROPMA!

  88. ***************
    And then you ask me to come to christianity?
    Nuff said

    • Hi Afsar

      I think what is most important is not what people say about a religion, but what is really true.

      You do not need more than one religion. To accept one religion as true is to abandon other religions, as false.

      You have to examine each religion for what it teaches. How did the founder of the religion behave? Was he holy or a sinner? Did he teach things that God would disapprove of?

      Since God is holy, He only teaches holiness. So, is there a lack of holiness taught in the religion? Is the religion based on sex, power, money or holiness?

      If the foundation of the religion – teachings and behavior is holy – then it is true. If the foundation is not holy – then it is false.

  89. The truth amy hurt, but it is not an insult. Change history if you wish, but it will not change the truth.

    Over

  90. I grieve ever so more pitiful for the foundations of such people as yourselves, furthermore, I lose respect not for the believer, but for the belief, meaning, I do not respect what your religion teaches. It is a basic fundamental of every every religion that god can not be begotten, yet the belief in which over 2 billion individuals, so non courteous, and ignorant, like yourselves follow, claims that god was begotten in a human-like form. Your basic fundamentals of your religion are non inspiring, confusing, and contradictary. I can hardly imagine what the innards of your religion must be like. The only begotten substance, associated with god is yourselves, the 2 billion of you are god begotten, and you have forgotten the true faith. On this note, I leave this site, I can teach you my religion, but guidance is in the hands of Allah, I hope one day, you will see true peace, goodbye

    • Asfar

      Think for a moment. Begotten just means that someone becomes human, or takes on human flesh. In the history of God’s relationship with his people, he sent angels who took on human form. Why is it so hard to imagine that this happened with Jesus too?

  91. To my Brothers Asfar and Khan…
    Jazakom Allah Kheiran for showing them the truth, the fact of the matter is they will always be BLIND!! May Allah (swt) guide them to the true path…

  92. quote. [ may allah guide them to the true path ] im not trying to be smart but the true path to what ? cutting peoples heads off ? or bombing innocent people. supplying arms to the people palestine instead of food to help the children and poor ? if allah is so powerful why cant he feed his own people ? for you Muslims i will tell you why. he cant. absolutely no power. a god of power takes care of his people. the world would starve if it was not for the U.S. if muslims had this control most of the world would starve including your own muslim people. which is still going on today.im not throwing any flames but this is how i feel and in the U.S. this is what is constantly portrayed by the media. the middle east would have nothing and i mean absolutely nothing if the U.S. did not buy there oil. then where would you be ? the computer you voice your opinion on is probably from the U.S. and the technolgy of. i know it comes from our ingenuity. the middle east would not be able to feed themselves, and your clerics would keep everything for themselves as they do now. i feel for the muslim world and wish it were not like that. if any Islamic country had the power of the U.S. , Israel and the U.S. would be wiped out. what a peaceful religion. and their people who cut innocent peoples heads off. why would i want to be like that. in iran more muslins are renouncing islam faster then any religion on earth, and converting to christanity because the way muslims deal with there own people.

  93. Gloves off!
    *******************

    ROPMA!

    • I think everyone here has to recognize that the Muslims believe what they do, because that is what they have been taught since childhood.

      Jesus is the only way of peace and life for anyone. They only understand him as a prophet, but they need to know that he is much more than that, and their understanding of what the bible teaches about Him is incorrect.

      They have arguments that need to be addressed about bible truth and doctrine. Once they have the truth, they will see things better.

      I really pray that Muslims take time and read what I have about Jesus on this site, to see if this answers their questions and objections. They are welcome to contact me with doctrinal issues.

  94. ************************
    I am a psychiatrist, and simple psychology has lead me to belive that Marianne, you have some doubts of your religion, but you think you tackle them, you think your getting the better of them, and you would consider yourself as a holy person. Outwardly, you show it in your life, you live your life according to your religion, and you consider it as the ultimate religion, or one of the ultimate religions. Outwardly, You consider Islam with a blind eye, you consider Muslims as spritually blind, and you think of Muslims as being led astray, but you wish you could help them. Inwardly, you have your doubts of your religion, and you have your doubts on what you think Islam is.
    Hotheadbuddy, I have one word to answer all your petty questions, Dubai

    • AFsar,

      I look at the truth, and the falseness I see.

      I see Islam as false, but it IS what Mohamed taught.

      I see much of modern Christianity as false, but it is NOT what Jesus taught.

      The difference is, Islam will ALWAYS be false.

      Christianity can be true if we follow the teachings of Jesus, and not man.

      I am NOT a “modern” Christian. I am a biblical Christian.

      I follow the teachings of Jesus, and I have a relationship with him, and God the Father.

      So I am a true Christian.

      I have no doubts about Jesus at all.

      I know exactly who He is, because He has revealed himself to me.

      Your application of psychiatry needs more practice.

      As you know, science is supposed to be objective, not biased with personal opinion.

      Marianne
      Biochemist

  95. asfer what do you meen by Dubai. i can only guess something smart or do you meen the money that flows throught there and the people are greedy like in the good old U.S.A. i await your responce.

  96. asfer my questions are petty? your people are dying and the questions i ask are petty, not to me i want understanding this is why i am asking, i understand living in the west i do not see the whole picture or the other side but im trying.

  97. Hi Mariane! Did you heard about Maitreya project? This is the project for construction of a monument to Budah in India. They are waiting for the Teacher of the world. Follow please, the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XzzRBj20EQ
    May Jesus Bless!

  98. All I have to say to all of you is:
    For you to see, what I see, look beyond the obvious, and the obvious will approach you so fiercly, that you will know, that which I see, is the truth. And for what you are seeing now, is not so obvious

    Call Of Duty Forum – http://www.callofdutyboard.com

    • Afsar,

      I have stood in the presence of Jesus. I know the truth. I have met him, and he is who he says he is.

      This is not “religion” of man…..it is a relationship.

  99. marianne i hate to say it but i almost hate church. but i need that relationship and to fulfill my calling will you get me on a prayer list or something god bless. i have problem with pride and obedience . Christianity is the hardest challenge of my life . to serve him is is a treasure , i have to get to that point.

    • Hi hotheadbuddy,

      I added you to my prayer list. I do not like church either. It is too man oriented. Enjoy and cherish your time alone with God. Sometimes just a quiet evening with the TV turned off can do wonders.

  100. Marianne;

    Another video on this subject for everyone to view who visits this web site;

    War of Iran: Return of Hidding Iman (Ahmadinejad)

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=534_1179096009

    Kittii

  101. “Another video on this subject for everyone to view who visits this web site;
    War of Iran: Return of Hidding Iman (Ahmadinejad)
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=534_1179096009
    Kittii” CUT THIS NONSENSE OUT, THIS IS WHY ISLAM IS IN SUCH POOR SIGHT UNDER THESE ZIONISTS NOWADAYS, BECAUSE OF *********, STOP TRYING TO GET BACKLINKS TO YOUR WEBSITE
    GO AND SPAM SOMEWHERE ELSE
    ********

    • HI afsar,

      I watched the video. It was quite a positive review of Ahmadinejad’s faith, and devotion to the coming Mahdi. It was not presented as a criticism.

      • I know, but I don’t believe in these videos, the only reason why they are posted is to get hits on their site
        The intention is wrong, our prophets, and prophets companions, used to check their intention in the beginning, the middle, and the end of an action before doing it
        I’m sure Kittis intention is just to get members to his/her site to earn money, for that reason, he/she can go “spam somewhere else / SSE”

  102. Christianity is portrayed the same way. just turn on the T.V. i cant believe some of the teachings of most of the evangelists all they do is ask for money, like you can buy your way in to heaven, or give and you will get even more. there favorite saying is you cant out give god. preachers these days don’t even preach out of the bible or they teach all about prosperity and not of a dying world in need of jesus. i would like to know why Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet and born of a virgin but cannot believe the resurrection. do Muslims hate Jesus or just his followers and Jews? i don’t want to get off the path of the 12th imam Mahdi. there is alot of things about islam i find interesting i just don’t understand the hate.

    • HI hotheadbuddy.

      Muslims do not believe the present biblical record, as we know it.

      They do not believe a true prophet can be killed by unbelievers, and that Jesus did not deserve this death, so a substitution was made by God. So, if he did not die, according to them, then there is no resurrection.

  103. MUSLIM Demographics:
    Its a proven scientific fact, that the EU-countrys and their nationalisties will DIE OUT. The fertility rate of 1.38 is not reversable, shows historical research..!
    Moreover, in about 30 years the world will mostly be of muslim countrys.
    In 5-7 years, the author claims, Islam will be the dominant religion of the world.

    I think, we are just 3 to 5 years away, when the one-world religion and the Antichrist are emerging.

  104. Hello, Asfar.
    You are believing too, that Antichrist comes.
    What does the Quran say about him?
    Who was or is the real Christ in your opinion?
    Thank you for answering

    • HI Silvan,

      I am reading this testimony from Mary K Baxter. It would be good for everyone, including Muslims, to read it also. Believing Jesus is just a man or a mere prophet is not enough. Jesus has the power to walk through hell and leave. No one else can do that. Something for everyone to think about.

      http://www.spiritlessons.com/Mary_K_Baxter_A_Divine_Revelation_of_Hell.htm#Into_Hell

      • Hi Marianne,
        yes, i did read that already.
        I dont know if i believe Baxter.
        My opinion based on te bible is, that the man who is dead, is sleeping til judgement. Hell is real, no question, but are there already such poor people?

        • Hi Silvan

          There are some scriptures that indicate the dead just sleep. Most of them were written before the time of Jesus, or before Jesus died, and went to hell to empty it. They were written by David, but this may just mean he expressed his impression. God had not given any teachings on hell in the old testament.

          Remember also that Jesus told a story about a rich man and a poor man in hell. The rich man was suffering, but the poor man was “on the other side” and was at peace. Both of these were doing more than sleeping.

          It seems like before Jesus lived, died and went to hell to liberate the righteous from it, there were 2 divisions. Once the righteous were removed, hell enlarged.

          Maybe this would make a good study – When does hell start?

          Paul once said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. This means more than sleep also. As your video indicated, the repentant thief was promised paradise that same day when he died. This means no “sleep” period first.

          I think there is a preliminary judgment that all wicked might get from Satan when they die. Then at one time, all will be gathered for the final judgment, when people are either cast from hell into the lake of fire, or receive rewards in heaven.

          For me, since i have never visited hell, I would rather imagine the worst situation, and avoid it.

          I think what you are saying is that you hope there is a start time for hell, so that no one suffers longer than others.

          Maybe this is just the human view. It seems reasonable to us, but may not be reality. The issue with Jesus is, that none of us should be there to begin with.

          • Thank you, this seems more reasonable.
            My ex-church (NAC) teaches, that one can be saved after death… so i had searched for this topic, and found it to be in the state of sleep this scriptures above indicated.. however, i think its dangerous to teach this..
            I wondered if the Hell is maybe outside of time, like God is.
            For him 1000 years are 1 day, and vice versa- so he is eternal, for him there is no time. Time for us is the sequences of events, which can be defined and scaled (atoms in the atomclock/sun).
            So maybe hell exists outside of “time”… without saying that i could understand what it feels like.

  105. Let’s not forget that in Mat.27:52, we are told that many OT saints came out of their tombs and were seen by many, too. DavWms

  106. hell is a holding place for the ones who’s names are not in the lambs book of life and are not present with the lord. it is ruled by demons. many Christians mistake this for gehenna [hades] which is the lake of fire , the second death ,which occurs after the great white throne judgement. rev. 20:11-15 . to teach you can accept Christ after death is completely wrong. no one would go to hell then, the gate then would wide not narrow, the opposite of what the bible teaches. time in the spiritual realm is different from the time in the natural realm which we live in.

    • i wonder what it “is” like to live without time, at least without an ending in mind..
      Do you think gehenna, the 2nd DEATH (of the spirit?!), means the person stopps to exist?
      (Iam hoping so, secretly. I get sick thinking of my friends to suffer for..eternity)

      yes, the NAC is dangerous, though it seems to be a nice and warm place..but it is a feel-god church.. the self-appointed apostles teach mankind gets gods spirit ONLY (!) through laying their hand on your forehead..
      But God says in Luke 11,13 ask me, i will give you my spirit.

      Also this “apostles” teach, and thats even worser, ONLY through their words are the sins forgiven… 2 times a week…
      if it wasnt so sad i had to laugh.. but my family is caught in this brainwashing lies!

      • Hi Silvan, hotheadbuddy,

        Maybe the wicked first go to hell, to suffer for their sins. Then when the white throne judgment occurs, they are thrown into the lake of fire and just annihilated forever. This way, there is a time limit to the punishment.

        • That makes most sense for me and gives me peace.
          I simply cant imagine that my father in heaven, my loving and mercyful creator, has endless suffering in mind for my unsaved loved ones.
          Glad you are thinking the same!

          1st death=body dead
          2nd death=spirit dead
          Lake of Fire=Fire exterminates everything
          Smoke ascendes=Fire is out

        • Hi Marianne,

          You make me laugh.
          This way, there is a time limit to the punishment.
          Exactly! why waist time!!

      • Silvan,

        I think you know a lot more than you leave to impress.
        The word ‘Apostles’ means sent by The Lord.
        Whoever God has not sent is not an ‘apostle’
        Those willing to learn from The Lord are His disciples.

        Many many wolves in sheep clothing.
        Let EVERY man be a liar BUT God is TRUE.
        As for death, they are all dead who have not The Christ in them.
        Yes twice dead!!

        Jhn 8:51
        Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

        Now I believe this with all of my being.
        His word is true.

  107. no time limit . the bible says for eternity that should be enough for all of us to believe. otherwise the word is being twisted once again. we have to go by the word not our feelings or what we would like to think. this life is a one time deal either we get it right the first time or forever in the lake of fire. no second chances. it is in the word. one life one chance to get it right, that is the purpose for life that god gave us. all questions we have can be answered in the bible through the holy spirit. not mans interpretation, god will reveal all questions if you truly seek them through Jesus.

  108. i forgot to mention that eternal suffering is being apart from the creator for eternity. hell is for the unsaved until the second judgement. the saved will be present with the lord when absent for the body. i believe this wholeheartedly because its in the bible. i can back them up with scripture if needed.

  109. Marianne;

    Ahmadinejad and the Mahdi video;

    Kittii

  110. Marianne:

    Farewell to IsraeL; Bush, Iran and the Revolt of Islam

    http://farewellisrael.com/

    http://www.newsmax.com/morris/nuclear_iran_israel/2009/05/24/217793.html

    Kittii

  111. i beleive in god that is Allah
    all i need is that qayamat to come when i hae no gunaah left over with me and only nekis to be with me.
    i always try to keep my ammi happy and let her do dua for me i dont only me and family to come to jannat but our rasools ummat to be with me with our rasool.i loe my islam very much and i hope i will die with islam in my heart to be in the jannat.Allah hamari tamam dua ko rasool k sadqe mein kubul farma lo.ameeeeen allahumma ameeeen summa ameeeeen.

  112. islam, allah and muslims did not take the soviet union down. a little U.S. money and training did. they will not take the U.S. or ISRAEL down. the U.S. could fall if we keep changing our laws to liberal and JESUS takes his hand of favor from us do to our decisions. ISREAL will stand….

    • Hi hotheadbuddy,

      I think everyone will take themselves down. They do not need to blame others. God will help the good people who are faithful to him.

  113. Brace yourselves, there is a war coming, it will start in Pakistan, and millions of muslims will die, Pakistan will suffer more than it has ever suffered
    Do dua for the ummah, and for Pakistan
    It is said that after the war, the only Pakistani people left will be the righteous ones, and that the country will adopt Sharia law after the war is over
    For those of you living in Pakistan, leave now, as soon as possible
    This is no ordinary war, and you don’t want to be a part of it, unless your intention is jihad

    • Hi Afsar,

      We do not agree on much at times, but this time I agree with you 100%.

      I have friends in Pakistan, who are very concerned about their country. I am sponsor for their son, so he can attend school there, and have what he needs. He is like a son to me.

      He thinks war is not this year, but in a few years.

      I want to help him leave there, but getting out of there, and going elsewhere is harder than it sounds. He got turned down once for a visa, and was told to wait 2 years and come back.

      Where do all these people go?

  114. Peace to all brothers and sisters in humanity. I would like to get an understanding from someone as to the meaning of these verses.

    Matthew 15:9
    9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    Matthew 7:22-23
    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Isn’t it clear that Jesus is saying he isn’t God and shouldn’t be worshiped.?

    • HI Questioner,

      Matthew 15 is discussing how man has replaced God’s commandments with his own. So when people worship God, obeying the WRONG commandments, they worship God in vain. To truly worship God, we have to obey God’s commandments.

      Matthew 7 is discussing false believers, who do things in the name of the Lord, but their heart is not with God. They do works for God, but for their own glory, for money, or for some other wrong reason. They do not obey God in their own lives, yet they want to be considered religious leaders. They are sinners, and need to repent.

      Jesus was exposing hypocrisy in the religious behaviors of his day. This still happens now.

      • Thank You for the explanation Marianne.
        –Jesus said to the Jews: “Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43)”

        Which nation is this? I would think this is the nation of Ishmael as prophesied in the bible. For example Isiah 42 and Isiah 60; 1-7.

  115. And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him. (Qur’an 41:37)

    • Hi Questioner,

      True, we should not be bowing to the sun or moon. They are just created objects in the sky.

      Remember that the first believers in Jesus were Jewish. He came to them first, as promised. But because Jesus was “cut off” (Prophecy of Daniel) by the religious leaders, who represented the nation, the duty of preaching the kingdom of God, that was preached by Jesus was transferred to the new believers. This included Jewish and gentile believers. Areas like modern Turkey, Egypt and Syria were included, as well as other middle eastern areas. So yes, the sons of Ishmael were included in the gospel outreach.

      Also note that not all gentiles became believers in what Jesus taught, and many today do not even know what he taught. The only way to understand the gospel is to read the 4 gospel accounts in the bible.

      • Thanks, can you please explain the prophecy’s of isiah 42 and isiah 60, 1-7. It seems to me as islam and Muhammed are being clearly foretold.

        • Hi Questioner,

          You ask a good question. When God states something, we have to look around, because He will repeat it again later, in another way to add clarity. God is also beyond our imagination, and his thoughts are not our thoughts. When He speaks, He speaks on both the physical, literal level, as well as the spiritual, symbolic level.

          Isaiah 42 is a prophecy on multiple levels – Who is the Servant?

          1. the first servant ever created was Adam, and he failed.

          2. the next servant God called was Abraham, and he succeeded, bringing blessings to his descendants.

          3. the third servant was Israel, as a nation, and we read about this relationship in the Old Testament. Sometimes, they did well, and many times they failed. However, we should not be too harsh judging Israel, because we, ourselves, have committed the same sins they did. Israel represented humanity, trying to serve God on their own strength, and failing too many times, because their human efforts were not enough.

          Isaiah 42 first starts out describing the “perfect Servant.” One who carries God’s spirit and brings justice (the Torah) to the gentiles. He is described as gentle, quiet in manner, not causing harm to anyone, he will not even break a plant, he is so gentle. He will not fail or be discouraged, until God’s justice (God’s law- 10 commandments) is established on the earth. In seeing truth, gentiles will no longer be blind (verse 6) and they will be free.

          God intends that the Jewish nation take what they have been taught and share it with other nations, to help them know God as well.

          In verses 18-20 of Isaiah 42 describes this servant as blind and deaf. God then explains that this servant was unfaithful and had to be punished. Thus, Israel is not doing a good job as a group of people. They observe the law, but do not share it with the gentiles.

          A servant can be a group of people serving God:

          ** see Isaiah 43:10- You are my witnesses (plural) says the Lord, and my Servant (singular) whom I have chosen.

          God promises restoration to a fallen servant in Isaiah 43, and assures Israel that he is still its redeemer, even though Israel has failed God. God is very forgiving, and merciful.

          In Isaiah 44:1-2, God calls Israel his Servant again, and gives it more instructions.

          4. the prophets we read about – Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Joel, Nehemiah, etc – were good servants, but many times they could not get the people to repent, when it was necessary. This shows that even a good prophet can see a bad result, because people will not always listen, or believe them.

          5. Jesus was a perfect servant who was part of the nation of Israel. He submitted to God, and obeyed him in every way. He then transferred his assignment to his disciples, and told him to finish going to the Jews, but then after that, to go the gentiles. Jesus was trying to teach the Jews as a group, to be proper witnesses and teachers. They already knew the law, and not it was time to share it. Jesus fulfilled the description in Isaiah 42. The mission of Jesus was to train a nation of good servants.

          6. The next question is who else can be a servant of God? Can gentiles be servants too? The answer is YES – that anyone can be one.

          In Isaiah 45, Cyrus of Persia is chosen as God’s anointed. He will use Cyrus, a gentile Persian, to serve His will. Cyrus, we know, did much to help Israel.

          You asked about Muhammed. While I am not a Muslim, I will just answer in general here. You decide if the description fits.

          ANYONE who serves God with their whole heart, their whole mind, and with all their strength, and obeys him the best they can, always repenting for any mistakes, and turning away from sin as a lifestyle. Jesus instructed his disciples in this way. As Jesus was a Perfect Servant in every way, if one patterns their life after him, and reads what he says, and does what he instructs, then they can be a servant too. Jesus made it so that we can go directly to the Father in prayer, and that we do not have to go through man or a special priest.

          Isaiah 60 – the Messianic Kingdom.

          This describes Israel during the time of the Messiah. Note it says in verse 3 that the gentiles will come there, and in verse 5, that the wealth of the Gentiles will come there too. The Jews will be re-gathered at this time (verse 4,9). It notes that in His wrath, god struck Israel (verse 10), but in His favor, He has shown mercy once again. Verse 18 says that violence shall no longer be heard in the land, which is not true of Israel today. It also describes a reunion of Israel and Lebanon, and other gentile nations in verses 13-15. Verse 14 describes this place as Israel as well, and refers to the city of the Lord, which is Jerusalem.. What we see most in this chapter is that there is peace in the middle east. The violence is gone. We see only cooperation, gifts and good will.

          • Thank You very much for your interpretation, but i would have to disagree on the location as you said being Israel. Verse 60:7 “All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.”

            This verse clearly says the location being Kedar present day Mecca. Sounds to me like the annual Hajj “pilgramige” the muslims make.

            Read it once again Isiah 60: 1-7

            Isaiah
            60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
            60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
            60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
            60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
            60:5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
            60:6 The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.
            60:7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.

  116. Questioner, I hope as you question Bible prophesies that you are open to see what you might not expect, even if it shows truths you were not looking for.

    You pointed out Is. 42. You will find this prophesy similarly written in Is. 61: 1-on. Then if you look in Luke 4:18, Jesus is reading this prophesy in a synagogue. In verse 21, Jesus told them that this scripture has been fulfilled in their hearing. He revealed that this prophesy had been about Him. Thus, it was not about Islam and Muhammed. DavWms

    • Thanks, i am open to discussion. However i am still not convinced. To me when i read the prophecy in Isiah 42 i see clearly that it was foretelling islam. Let us look:

      “Isiah 42:4.he will not falter or be discouraged
      till he establishes justice on earth.
      In his law the islands will put their hope.”

      Jesus didn’t come with a new law, Muhammad did, another point worth mentioning is the islands. As we know today the country with the highest Muslim population is the “island” of Indonesia as we know before Islam they were idol worshipers and pagans.

      “Isiah 42:6- I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles.”

      Muhammad is a descendant of Abraham and came to Gentiles.

      “Isiah 42:7- To open blind eyes, to bring out prisoners from prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.”

      “To open blind eyes”. If we read verse 19 we will see more clearly that the word blind is used as idiom.

      Meaning, he will show people the things that they did not know and will show people how to comprehend God and His message.

      Prison is used as an idiom too. If a spirit doesn’t know God and doesn’t obey Him, then that spirit is in prison of Satan, and that person is prisoner of Satan. By accepting oneness of God and by obeying Him, the spirit of a person will be free and this makes that person free from prison of Satan. And in verse 8 God clearly states what He meant.

      8- I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

      (With explanation of verse 7) we understand that the person that God is talking about will come to a place that people worship idols as their gods. If we read verse 17, we may understand this better.

      From verses 7 and 8, we understand that God is not talking about Jesus but Muhammad. Because Jesus came to Israelite s and they were not worshiping idols. But Muhammad came during the Jahilliya (ignorance) period of Arabs and destroyed their idols. If we read verse 17, it will be understood more clearly.

      “Isiah 42:9- Behold, the former things come to pass, the new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”

      As we read in verse 4 and my explanation of it, the person, God is talking about, will come new law. And this person cannot be Jesus because of the reasons stated above. This person is nobody but prophet Muhammad.

      “Isiah 42:10- Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles and inhabitants thereof.”

      If you want to hear this new song please listen to someone reciting the Qur’an. The new song that God talking about is Noble Qur’an. If you hear how people recite the Noble Qur’an, you will understand what God is talking about.

      “Isiah 42:11- Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.”

      “Isiah 42:12- Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.”

      Kedar is son of Ishmael (Genesis 25:13-16), and has nothing to do with Jesus. This verse (verse 11) is not talking about Jesus but Muhammad. As you know Muhammad is descendant of Abraham through Ishmael. And the cities that they inhabited are in Arabia namely Telma (Tema/Teman), Yathrib (Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah), Paran (Makkah) etc. And if you observe the ritual of Muslims (especially during Hajj), you will see that cities (Makkah and Al-Madinah) lift up their voices** and people shout and glorify Allah from top of mountains, especially Mt. Arafat**. The rock is the rock that God sent to Adam from heaven, and it is located at the side of Kaba. As you know Muslim people make 7 tours around Kaba and kiss this rock while glorifying the Lord.

      “Isiah 42:13- The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.”

      “Isiah 42:14- I have long time holding my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing women; I will destroy and devour at once.”

      Until Islam, God had never ordered any prophets to fight against unbelievers to destroy them. Believer were fighting only to defense themselves. But Allah ordered Muhammad to fight against unbelievers, and slay them if they don’t accept Allah. And if you study the life of Muhammad you will see that he was the commander of the army and he fought with his sword and he lost one of his teeth during the war. And God destroyed unbelievers at once (with only during of one prophet).

      “Isiah 42:15- I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.”

      Here God is talking about deserts of Arabia. In desert place, mountains and hills of sand are not steady, they diminish with winds and another one appears. And you can not find rivers but small water islands as described by God.

      Also this verse has nothing to do with Jesus (

      “Isiah 42:16- And I will bring blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked thins straight. These things I will do unto them, and not forsake them.”

      As God says above, He did not send to pagan Arabs until Muhammad as stated in verse 22. Until Muhammad, Arabs were worshiping idols, killing baby girls, drinking alcohol, gambling etc. Allah a way (Islam, unity of God) that they did not know, made Qur’an and Muhammad guided (as light before) them, and made crooked things (mentioned above) straight.

      This verse also has nothing to do with Jesus.

      Isiah 42:17- They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that they say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

      This is exactly what pagan Arabs did, when they heard the message that given to Muhammad by God. They offered money, authority and many things to our prophet and he did not accept any of them. They ashamed, because they thought that all other Arabs will mock them, and will not visit the Kaba (at that time they were using Kaba as place of the idols that all other Arab tribes were using) and this would be their economic end. And they turned graven images and they asked help from those images.

      This verse also has nothing to do with Jesus.

      Isiah 42:18- Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.

      Isiah 42:19- Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord’s servant?

      “Isiah 42:20- Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.”

      In this verses God talks to Christians and Jews.

      In verse 18: Hear you (Christians and Jews) deaf, and look you (Christians and Jews) blind, you may see that above things are happening every day in Islamic world.

      In verse 19: God says, “Who is blind or deaf? My messenger (Muhammad and his followers) or you?

      In verse 20: You do see these things but you don’t pay attention, you don’t comprehend. You do hear the Qur’an and you know that Muslims sing new song and Muslim cities lift up their voices and they shout from top of mountains, they glorify Me, but you don’t pay attention, you don’t comprehend.

      Indeed, Christians and Jews think that Muslims do not see the right path (blind). Even you wrote that “What Muslims do not understand…”.

      These verses also have nothing to do with Jesus.

      21- The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

      In Qur’an many places Allah calls Prophet as “My friend” (friend is not exactly translation for Habeeb/Habib, because Habeeb is closer then friend but I couldn’t find another word for this). And He magnified the law and people still follow his law. Jesus did not bring new law, and non of the Christians follows the law that he was following.

      This verse also has nothing to do with Jesus

      22- But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.

      In this verse God talks about corrupted society of pagan Arabs. And, indeed, He had not send any prophets to Arabs until Muhammad. That’s why “none saith, Restore”. But up to Jesus, many prophets had been send to Israelites.

      This verse also has nothing to do with Jesus

      23- Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?

      Who will become Muslim?

      Conclusion:

      Isaiah 42 describes Prophet Muhammad.

      • HI Questioner,

        We apparently have different interpretations of scripture.

        I have been studying the Word of God for 40 years, so I gave you my best reply.

      • Questioner.
        Sorry Brother, but this chapter Isaiah 42 refers to the Messiah.

  117. Questioner, as i showed above Is 42 and Is 61 are about the same One, and Jesus reading that scripture and claiming Himself to be that One, I wonder how you can read something else into the Word? I know it is hard to look without prejudice into the Scriptures. We Christians also have to be careful not to bring our previous teachings into dividing the Word properly. Many never succeed.

    You said Jesus did not come with a new law. Please read John 13:34. “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.” DavWms

  118. One more thing, Questioner. You mentioned that Muhammed is a descendant of Abraham. Yes, that is true, thru Hagar, the Egyptian. Before you claim bragging rights on the resulting Ishmael being an ancestor of Muhammed, you need to see Gen 16 where yes, God said He would bless him, but He also said he would be a wild ass of a man. That he would have his hand against all, and all have their hand against him. That pretty well describes Islam, doesn’t it? DavWms

    • The Bible keeps bringing shame on the Messengers and Prophets. We have seen in this series that the Bible dishonors Abraham, Noah, Lot, King David and King Solomon; and herein, the Bible does the same with Ishmael. On the other hand, the Noble Quran states that Ishmael is a Messenger and a Prophet.

      Herein, I will give you an example about the corruption of the translations of the Bible. I have referred to 19 different versions of the Bible looking for the translation of one word only; it is “wild X”.
      Herein, X stands for a donkey in some versions, an ass in other versions, a bronco in one version and it also stands for a man in some other versions.
      This indicates that the translators of the Bible do not know the linguistic difference between the donkey and the ass and the bronco and the man.

    • Deuteronomy 21:15-17

      • Hi Questioner

        If you look carefully, people are coming FROM Kedar to Israel in Isaiah 60. The scene is not in Kedar. Notice it mentions Lebanon. People are coming from there as well.

        That is the point. The conflict in Israel is over, and people from all over are coming there in peace.

        This is the God of Israel talking to Israel. The entire bible is about Israel, the God of Israel, and its Messiah. This is not the God of Kedar talking to people in Kedar.

        Israel is told that Gentiles will come to it.

        You also said:

        Bible dishonors Abraham, Noah, Lot, King David and King Solomon; and herein, the Bible does the same with Ishmael.

        1. first, the bible does not dishonor any of these men. They are all treated with honor and love by God.

        2. The expression “wild man” for Ishamel was not really meant to be hurtful. Ishmael was to live in the wilderness, not in the cities. He would live in tents, not houses. Hence, the word “wild” refers to living in the wilderness. The lifestyle is different there, because the conditions are more harsh, and the person has to be more rugged to adapt to it.

        The wilderness has dangers in it, like snakes, or animals, that the person has to fight to survive. The wilderness will also contain enemies, and he has no fortress to protect him.

        This will make the person more warrior like, in order to defend himself. He will seem “wild” to those who live in the walled cities, but to others in the wilderness, he will seem normal.

        He was to be the father of 12 princes, just like Isaac. He was also to be blessed, and today we see that. The sons of Ishmael own most of the oil in the world.

  119. http://islamicweb.com/bible/good1.htm

    Here the difference between Chritian and muslim. Read this article, the author explains things logically.

    • Article of Interest to all:

      Google:ark-of-the-covenant-ark-of-the-testimony-tabut-al-sakina-imam-mahdi/

  120. Questioner, you are flogging a dead horse..or would that be a dead ass? Looks like Marianne wisely gave up trying to show you your errors. You have a religion ABOUT your god, allah. We have a relationship WITH our God. There is a difference there that can only be seen by help from the Holy Spirit. I pray that help comes to you. I too, have said my last on this to you. DavWms

  121. Brace yourselves, there is a war coming, it will start in Pakistan, and millions of muslims will die, Pakistan will suffer more than it has ever suffered
    Do dua for the ummah, and for Pakistan
    It is said that after the war, the only Pakistani people left will be the righteous ones, and that the country will adopt Sharia law after the war is over
    For those of you living in Pakistan, leave now, as soon as possible
    This is no ordinary war, and you don’t want to be a part of it, unless your intention is jihad

    Afsar said this on May 31, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Look at the post above, i said this nearly 2 months ago, is this not happening right now as we speak?

    Things will get a lot lot worse, leave Pakistan immediately, in the next couple of months, Pakistani people will suffer, the kind of suffering they will experience is beyond comprehention
    Every pakistani person can live if they leave the country

    I know people who have already left, but i also know people who have decided to stay there
    Most muslims believe pakistan is a muslim populated country, most people are right, but do you know who RUNS pakistan?
    The zionists
    Do you know who RUNS all neighboring middle-eastern countrys?
    The Zionists
    Who cares if the country is populated by muslims, when it is run by the devil himself?
    In this day and age, one of the safest country’s to live in is england
    Why?
    1.They are not in favour of the new world order
    2.It is not run directly by zionsists or freemasons
    3.Life expectancy is above average
    4.Muslims are frowned upon by almost anybody, but english people have a different mentality, their mentality is: “not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim”, as opposed to other peoples mentality: “all muslims are terrorists, all terrorists are muslims”

    • hi afsar,

      I see you found a page you were on. I left this message for you on the contact page;

      hi Afsar

      of course, I remember you. You are one of my favorite Muslim visitors.

      I have not deleted any of your comments.

      I checked the spam folder, and I did not see anything.

      Sometimes if you give a link, the spam function puts it in the spam folder, and then I have to dig it out.

      I have about 40 comments from you, but they are on different pages.

      on the side menu, look for
      Hamas in prophecy
      2014-2015 countdown to Mahdi
      the 4th Beast of Daniel
      you cannot have both Muhammed and Jesus
      Maitreya
      Bible predicts final fate of Gaza
      Artificial rain
      zionism
      the Iraq-russia-syria….
      2008 will sexual desire drive the election
      obama and the spaceship

      That is some of the pages….look there…..

      A friend of mine in Pakistan has had bad dreams of a war, where the sky turns red, and people die. in the dream, he is trying to escape, and trying to reach me. I am trying to arrange a bridge for him to cross, to get to transportation to leave.

      I do not agree about the zionist part, but I do agree that the people of Pakistan are in danger. My friend says the violence there has been growing.

      PS
      Where do you recommend that the Pakistanis go, to escape the war?

  122. Harun Yahya is the Mahdi of this age. There will be a war coming and I hope he will lead us. I do not like wars but I guess the world is now filled with too many evil and wicked people who use religion as a weapon but called it an armour. Read the Qur’an and you will find truth and beauty. Truth and beauty which will lead you to eternal life with the Most High, Supreme in Glory. I hope that I may be gain his Favour to. May Allah guide your hearts and fill it with peace. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Don’t hate, appreciate.

    • hello Abdul

      That is interesting. I always wondered who the Mahdi would be. Christians only believe that Jesus will return. They do not associate him coming with another personality, but I know Muslims do. It will be interesting to see how all this develops.

  123. i believe a war is coming also, but i do not appreciate islam it is a satanic religion killing many in the name of allah every year. the war that is coming will be induced by islam a non-peaceful religion . all muslim nations are still third world and would be absolutely nothing if it were not for oil. if allah is so high and mighty why don’t he just kill the infidel himself ? i know why, he cant. what kind of god takes care of his people this way ? i will stand against islam { not muslims who are my deceived brothers } until the day i die.

  124. Well first of all you’re mistaken. Religion tells us to do good. Islam tells us that every life is important to God and forbids us to kill an innocent person. Not even one. Ask Harun Yahya.

  125. i wish all of us would treat each other the way we want to be treated ourselves. most self professed Christian’s act one way in church and another way as soon as church is over. this part of religion i cant stand. sorry to get of the path of the mahdi.

  126. It’s okay. I can see that you are a good friend. Be good always and I’ll try my best to do the same. Peace. :-)

  127. hello abdul , i have a question about the comming war, what countries do you foresee the the war in ? do you think there could be a war on U.S. soil ? and about what time frame do you suspect this could happen ? { how long } . and who do you see as the evil and wicked people? thank you for your time.

  128. It is when Atheists present themselves to be the only true people of the world and most people follow their teachings. These Atheists are Freemasons and as the group increase in numbers the world will be too wicked and there will abound many natural disasters. There will be a stage of ultimate rebellion towards religion. They will elect a leader. They will make this leader a God as they approve with his style and heresy. This of course is done within their ranks and they are careful to keep Christianity as a ‘puppet’ faith for their manipulation. The war will only happen after the leader has been elected. So ask them to make it known..

    • hi abdul

      they may use any religion as a puppet faith….but they are actually apostate, or not real. they do not care about God, and this will show in their behavior.

  129. very interesting Abdul, thank you for your insight. are you aware your belief pretty much squares with the bible? anyway thanks for your time.

  130. You should check out Harun Yahya’s website. You’ll find out who really are the “Masters of The Universe.” All they need now is “He-Man.”

    • Abdul

      I can see his defense of Creation as truth, which is good, but he is a mix of truth and untruth.

      I would not accept much else this man says….anyone who denies the holocaust lives in denial of the truth, and is closed to other truths.

      he wrote “Soykırım Yalanı” (“The Holocaust Lie”). This book claims that “what is presented as Holocaust is the death of some Jews due to the typhus plague during the war and the famine towards the end of the war caused by the defeat of the Germans.

      In August 2007, Oktar got a Turkish court to block WordPress.com in all of Turkey. WordPress is where you are right now.

  131. Sorry, the information i got was from another website, I forgotten which. Personally I believe the Holocaust happened but the degree of the killings might have been exaggerated. Hitler really hated the Jews. I’ve heard of ultra orthodox Jews denying the Holocaust too. I really think its the degree of the killings.

    • hi abdul

      I think the number were accurate for the holocaust. They have a list of names for those killed from German records. Remember there were several countries where Jews were killed, not just Germany.

      The denial is due to guilt. There were both christians and muslims involved in the holocaust. Some repented, and tried to be more fair later. But others persisted in refusing to feel sorrow over what they did.

      Some want to cover up the guilt by denying it happened, or making it less than what it was.

      It was a horrible tragedy, and I hope it never happens again.

      In the meantime, we can judge a person’s heart by what comes out of it.

      If people want truth in their lives, they have to be open to all truth, not just what is convenient.

  132. Even if Harun Yahya is not the Mahdi, he will play a pivotal role towards the galvanising of the Mahdi’s coming to be. That’s my opinion. I believe in him.

    • hi abdul

      If you find enough in this man to admire him, then that is fine.

      My point is that all men are fallible, they are not perfect, and may have imperfect ideas.

      Only God is perfect, and correct all the time.

      It is each person’s responsibility to study what is said, and then to check the facts, to be sure there are no mistakes.

      Accept what is good and true. Reject what is false.

  133. The Holocaust isn’t the only terrible affliction that Jews suffered, they underwent a terrible ordeal at the hands of Pharaoh as depicted in Islam. Pharaoh let their womenfolk live and slaughter the men. They were made into slaves. There are some good Jews out there and I’ll be blessed to meet them. Yes, these things should not happen again.

  134. Harun Yahya’s acomplishments have proved to shine glory over the darkness that we (muslims) have been suffering. Although the straight path is straighter than his words he lights the beginning of my journey. I rest on the will of God for it is up to him to bestow his pleasure and mercy on whomever he wills. There is a straighter path but knowledge is knowledge and God be the guide.

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  136. Hi guys, just to add my comment. I feel religion or its topics are guides for us to follow a path to eternity. Its actually what we do in action that reflects who we are and what we believe in. Christians, Muslims and the Jews share a common path as what I know. We Beleive In ONE GOD. Nobody can bypass humanity and attain or accomplish GOD’s will. So I take this opportunity to express my gratitude that I LOVE U ALL.

  137. Haven’t you heard that Imam Jafar al-Sadek alayhu al-salam said:
    “We have not told about the time of the Zuhur (showing up), and will never tell about the time!”

    When his supporters asked Imam al-Rada alayhu al-salam abaut the time of showing up he said:
    “The ones who tell the time are liars! The ones who tell the time are liars! The ones who tell the time are liars!”

    One day Imam al-Sadek alayhu al-salam told to one of his companions:
    “Never hesitate to call someone a liar, if he tells the time. Because We have never told about it!”

    The knowledge of the “Time” belongs to Allah. If someone says that he knows the time he is a liar and infidel, and either a muslim nor Shia. Because by doing so he is saying that he is Gods-incarnate!!!

    • hello Ebu-Esed

      I agree with you.

      Even Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour, except the Father God in heaven.

      But he did indicate we could know the “season.” We could do this by watching for signs he predicted.

      It is good to watch and be prepared.

      • Someone who really believes should do his earthly jobs as if the end will never come, and do his divine duties as if the end comes in a few seconds…

        I agree that there are signs… but they are warnings for the ones who forget that there will be an end one day!

  138. Someone has said that Allah is one of many Deities symbolised by the Moon, and chosen by the family of Mohammed sallallahu alayhi wa alihi wa sallam.

    This person should read the books he is reading more carefully. Because he is mixing Allah and Al-Lat. Al-Lat was a feminin idol in ancient Arabia, called the daughter of the supreme deity and symbolised by the moon. But the word Allah is nothing else than the word “al-Ilah” meaning “THE God”. It is the name used in the 1. verse of Genesis in its Hebrew form (which is another semitic dialect) “Elohim”.

    When we say “Allahu Akbar” this does not mean that he is greater than other deities, but that He is the greatest in all the universe: greater than all beings that He has created.

    You call Jesus “God” while he had no human-being whom he could call father. But is then Adam who had neither a mother, nor a father more worth being “God”, while his existence is more wonderful?

    Mohammed did not come to change God’s law, but to fullfill it. Like all other 124000 prophets he preached the One holy law of the One and Allmighty God. So do you think that Meshiach of the Jews or Jesus are different persons? So why are you trying to interpret different persons in the prophecies of Mohammed? And why do you prefer to pick out the reviews of liars among Muslims instead of the truthfull ones who do not say anything else than Moses, David or Jesus said?

    Did not Jesus say: “You can not change even a Yota in the law of God?”
    And did not Simon (Petrus) order you not to eat unkosher food and to circumsize your male children?

    I will tell you one tradition from Mohammed. He said:
    “The people of Moses were divided in 71 groups and one will enter the Paradise.
    The people of Jesus were divided in 72 groups and one will enter the paradise.
    My people will be divided in 73 groups and only one of them will enter the paradise.” You got it?

    Best regards

  139. I just am wondering where you get all these descriptions from of who the antichrist will be? I know in the Christian Bible it doesn’t say anything like that from what I can remember. I know it says that he will be as a man of light, not necessarily in those words. He will come as a man of peace and will promise things will get better but they’ll get worse. I cannot remember everything it says but I do know that when or if he does show up while I’m here on earth I will not follow anyone claiming to be Christ since Christ will take up his followers in the sky during the rapture. I will not assume anything unless I know it is a fact. I like that one show Revelation Now, that Jack guy explains the scripture really well. I know Jesus is coming soon, but how soon no one has any idea, we just need to be ready.

    • Hi Denise,

      I read different descriptions from different sources. It is like putting a puzzle together. Very little about the Antichrist is peaceful. But he presents himself that way, in some aspects, to the world.

      He is symbolized by the rider on the white horse in Revelation, representing false peace.

      But then later, he appears as an ugly beast. In daniel, he is also a man of war, and a vile person, a beast. He is known for his “craft” (deceit) by which he tricks people into compromise, so they will be at peace themselves, allowing him to conquer them.

      The muslims have their own views as well, which is where some of this came from. They believe in Jesus coming back but they have a Mahdi figure who helps him in some way.

      I love and watch the “Jack guy” too. :) I have never seen anyone like him, who can quote the whole bible to people.

      I think discussion is good, even if it is just speculation and we are off track. It keeps us aware and thinking, so we will not be deceived.

      • I agree with you about Jac Colon, he is very knowledgeable and I have learned a lot from him. He is a seventh day Adventist and like me believes the mark of the beast is over sabbath keeping, not a chip. Smart guy.

  140. Please don t touch our prophet MOHAMMED (SAAS)

    We respect your religions and all the prophets, our holy Quran told us about Judaism and Christianity and ordered us to respect them as we respect our prophet (SAAS).

    It is time to study every religion deeply and then choose one which is the most logic and realistic. We must get rid of all stories told about every religion: So we can see clearly.

    Moses, Jesus and Mohammed (SAAS) are all brothers and have the same point of view ordered by GOD. So it is obvious that the cause of this conflict is one or two holy books was deviated from reality. Let search which is the right one.

    The problem is Shiites, Ben Laden, and all the terrorists aren’t really Muslims, we consider them as Satan’s followers who want to make the image of Islam very bad.

    The Shiite concept of Mahdi is totally false like the most of other concepts, they have changed our Islam into a Satanic religion. We consider them the biggest danger.

    Our Islam is a religion that respects all the others religions (God ones), which told us to be peaceful. As an example, jews were living peacefully in Mecca (the place of the prophet SAAS) and all other the muslim cities and we respect them more than they do.

    The reel problem that our Muslim countries are weak, not following the rules of our religion that is why you have an improper image of us.

    So please, be objective in reading our book.

    PS: Mohammed (SAAS) is like Jesus and Moses so please respect him at least.

    • hello kais

      I appreciate what you are saying. We also have problem people who call themselves Christians. I even discuss these problems on my site.

      If someone really loves God and obeys him, they will not harm anyone.

    • You have a refreshing view on Islam and I can appreciate what you are saying.
      I have one other point to consider when studying different religions. It is what made me a true believer in my faith. As I studied the bible I discovered that one third of it is prophecy and God states in it that we can know he is God because he will send prophets who will foretell the future and only the true God can know that. Then I discovered there are over 1500 fulfilled prophecies in the bible, some over 2500 years in advance. This is not possibly just luck or chance. So I searched all other religious teachings for similar proof and I have found none. The Koran contains no fulfilled prophesy and so I take no heed to this entire blog about the Mahdi. I simply can not put any faith in such an event. Many Muslims in this blog also disclaim it I’ve noticed so we Christians should not be trying to align end-time events with anything in Islam. I’m afraid the emperor has no clothes – the “prophet” Mohammed is without any prophesy. It doesn’t change anything about the man or his teachings, it’s just an undeserved title.
      Anyway I hope you will check out other chats on this web site, especially those involving prophecy. You may be amazed with what you discover.
      Good luck and God bless.

      • hi james,

        I tried to explain the limits of the Mahdi belief in the introduction:

        **** From a few comments, This “Mahdi” is a Shia belief, and only represents about 10% of Muslims, from what 2 readers have told me so far. The Shias are located primarily in Iran.

        The Sunnis represent about 90% of the Muslim population.

        *** From another comment, each group has a Mahdi figure, but its manifestation is different for each group. One is in “occultation.”

        Prophecy does not personally describe Mohammed, only that false prophets would arise. The “beast figure,” or Antichrist, does fit the description of a terrorist. So, my hope is that people pay attention to the events, people and groups around them.

  141. Tan Hui Yee
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    Tan Hui Yee peeks into a secret meeting of Singapore’s Freemason society.
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    IN THE dimly lit, wood-panelled bar lined with dark leather sofas on one end, a gathering of middle-aged men in tuxedos sip ginger ale and Coke as they chat about the day’s events.

    Pictures of masonic tools like the square and compass hang on the wall. Diana Ross’ cover song “Ain’t No Mountain High Enough” plays in the background.

    But the relaxed mood turns sombre when the 1970s tunes are swapped for Bach’s “Air on the G String”. One by one, the men shuffle out of the bar and head to the Temple upstairs.

    The Freemasons’ meeting has just begun.

    The global fraternity of men, which started in medieval Europe when stone masons got together to protect their trade secrets, is today still clothed in an air of mystique that baffles most outsiders.

    Most intriguing are their regular allegorical plays, conducted by tuxedo-clad, masonic-apron donning members to impart moral and ethical lessons on newcomers.

    New and long-time members interviewed both say that curiosity played a large part in them joining the organisations.

    Eighty-four year old Hatim Nakhoda, who heads the Islamic Fellowship Association, asked his good friend G.E. Bankuwala more than 50 years ago why he kept packing regalia to attend meetings in Coleman Street – where the Freemasons Hall is located.

    He told Mr Nakhoda: “If you are a religious person, and you believe in Allah, and this will be good for you. All are good men, but Freemasonry will make you a better man.”
    (BULLSHITTING SELLOUT)
    The multi-faith Freemasons do not make open calls for members, but extend personal invitations after judging them to be of good character.

    Meanwhile, Freemason Shiva Banerjee, 74, says: “My initial willingness to join became more a final solution to curiosity.”

    Once in, they found a world that extended beyond rituals, to include charity work and lectures on philosophy.

    Haematologist Ronald Ng, 62, who became a Freemason in 1996, says: “There is a lot of the human touch. You gain a greater understanding of life.”

    I’ve been their victim for 7 years. These people are the dirtiest thieves and abusers.

  142. Hi all,
    It is true that muslims have messed up the whole concept of 2nd coming of jesus and the Imam Mahdi. Please spent some time to learn Ahmadiyya Islam interpretation (www.alislam.org) of this issue that makes much more sense than any other understanding of Jesus and Mahdi’s advent. The double eclipse sign has been fulfilled back in 1894 in the presence of a claimant: Hadhrat Ahmad. He claimed to be the Promised Messiah and the Mahdi as foretold in Islam and other religion’s literature. The idea of waging war to convert to ISLAM is also not true. Ahmad declared that there will be no religious wars now as it was prophecised my Muhammad 1400 years ago.

    Peace.

  143. Reading this now, almost makes me want to cry
    Marianne, you’re the only person in the world that can help me, please please please contact me by email ASAP

  144. In the name of Allah the most Merciful,

    I would plead with Afsar and the other muslims to stop writing on this forum, you are getting nowhere.

    The problem with Christians, Jews and others is that they can clearly see that the Quraan is the last and greatest of revelation, and that Mohammed(PBUH) was the last prophet.

    However, wouldn’t it be great if you could go around commiting all sorts of wrongs (Rape, fornication, alcohol, gambling, pedophilea) knowing that you will be saved, because God incarnate in his son Jesus died on the cross for your sins, and you will be redeemed.

    They cannot accept Islam because then they will be like all men, responsible and answerable to GOD only for their wrongs, with no Jesus to save them, and they’ll have to give up all their sinful indulgences that they love.

    To Marianne and the others, did God come down on earth in Jesus’s body to die for a murderers’ sins?

    As for the original topic, lets agree that no one but GOD knows when and where, and how things will end, I just want to be around to hear Hotheadbuddy saying that we where right and he was wrong, would also like to see Marriane, and all the other Christians following the anti-christ, while Jesus descends from Heaven, and tells them that he himself follows Mohammed (PBUH)

    Till then, you guys carry on discussing things that you know nothing of.

    One question Marianne, which Bible do you believe in?

    Mohammed

    • hi Mohammed,

      I believe in the Bible, period. There is only one Bible. There are some “versions” that remove the king’s English from the King James version, and put it in more modern language, but the CONTENT has not changed. The message of each gospel is the original message.

      Jesus died for all sins to be forgiven. THat includes even the sin of murder. But there is a condition to this forgiveness. You have to be sorry for these sins, and turn your back on them, vowing not to do them again. Since being perfect is impossible, as only God is perfect, Jesus has provided us with the Holy Spirit to guide us, and help us if we fall and sin again. He moves us quickly to repentance, so that our forgiveness continues.

      Accepting Jesus self sacrifice for our sins is NOT permission to sin again. He took our punishment, because he knew, as sinful as we all are in our imperfections, that we could not bear the true punishment due us. Look at how harsh the law is. Under the law, everyone is condemned and guilty of something, at one point or another.

      True repentance will show itself. The person will not have the DESIRE to sin anymore, and their heart will change.

      Those that commit rape, fornication, alcohol, gambling, and pedophilia are not saved. They have not changed their lives yet and truly repented. But if they do, and they are sincere about their rejection of sin, and they pour out their heart before God in sorrow for these sins, then they are forgiven.

      God does not want anyone to perish. He wants all saved. He knows that man cannot be holy on his own. That is why he sent Jesus to teach us and save us, and the Holy Spirit continues on today guiding people in their hearts.

    • Mohammed
      Your statements are hypocritical and are as false as the Koran, which I have read. If a Muslim can walk onto a bus in Jerusalem and blow himself and 40 innocent people to smithereens and be rewarded in heaven with 72 virgins you have no grounds to say that Jesus can not forgive a murderer if he truly repents – which a suicide bomber would not.
      And yes, God did come to earth in human form to die for the sins of ALL men, including suicide bombers, if they repent and accept Christ at the great day of judgement which you will experience some time in the future.
      So get ready and may God bless you.

    • Mohammed,
      I’m sorry but you are wrong about Mohammed being the last prophet and that the Koran is the last and greatest revelation. That great honor goes to Joseph Smith and the last and greatest book is the Book of Mormon. You need to reject previous teachings and get on the latest bandwagon. After all, the Koran is almost 1500 years old. Things have changed and there is new word from God you need to learn.
      I hope you will get a copy and read it carefully. God bless, pilgrim.

      • The last prophets were Haggai, Zecheriah and Malachi, who lived during construction of Second Temple…PERIOD.
        Tradition of prophets was successfully finished with Jesus Christ fulfilling word of God.
        Prophet Malachi (the actual last prophet) tells us that there will be no original prophets anymore, but instead God will send Elijah just prior to Second Coming, and some say Moses will be also present with him, making them two olive trees or two witnesses.
        If God wanted to send new prophets, he would tell so. But, thinking that there can be new prophets after Jesus Christ fulfilled everything is close to blasphemy.
        Also, God doesn’t need anyone proclaiming Second Coming or Judgment day, there are eternal witnesses or two lampstands standing before God continually, in form of Moses and Elijah.

  145. Muslms prophecy says the 12th imam will be of Mohammed’s blood lines and will bear his name..Mohammed had no surviving male heirs so he did not leave the name ABD ALLAH to anyone.. butttttt when his heir , his grandson was born he named him HUSSEIN.. This is the name of the the 2nd and 3rd imam and of several other imams..This is the name of the 12th imam…as in barach HUSSEIN obama..This is the name mohammed left to hhis heirs… As for blood lines Kenya was among the first countries he invaded not to mention his black slaves and concubines and 15 minute marriages.

    http://al-imam.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t1056.html
    However, the Prophet (pbuh) replied to Gabriel that his tongue was Arabic, (he was an Arabic speaker). Gabriel then told him to call him Al Hassan (as), by the order of Allah, lord of the worlds.

  146. Allah is called the lord of the WORLDS.. worlds being plural… as in the original 7 worlds (planets) of the astrology lore… Allah was the ancient moon god of the astrology lore….
    Arabia worshiped all the astrology gods , all 365 of them.. The moon god was among these, probably the chief god..He was also named allah… mohammed and his father were named after this moon god allah long before the visitation from the so called angel.. their name was abd allah..
    Mohammed also gave recognization to the astrology lore which is the ancient worship of the sun, moon and stars and host of heaven that is forbidden in Deut 4-19..He name koran books sun, moon, star and jin..

  147. To all readers:
    I used to be on a salary of £120,000 P.A.
    1 month ago, I lost my job
    On the same day, I was handed a bible from one of my colleagues
    On the same day, I returned home and I discovered my child had a fight with another in school, and he had lost his left eye
    On the same day, my wife left me

    I thought to myself that all of those things must have happened for a reason
    I opened the bible and started reading
    The next day, I stopped at Benjamin (the man who gave me the bible) house, I told him everything that happened to me
    He was shocked and he said I can stay at his house for as long as I tried to find another house to move into
    I would read sections of the bible every night for 2 weeks, with the thought that I would like to convert to christianity the following day
    On 8th october 2009 I read about marriage and the punishments of divorce
    On 9th october 2009 I read about how parents react when their children convert to christinaity
    And so on… everything was relevant to my life, everything I was reading
    I told Ben about it, and he believed me
    He told me to convert
    The next day, I opened the bible, and immediately read something along the lines of: If someone is ready to convert to christianity, they should convert immediately, because they dont know if they’ll be living the next day
    Since that moment, I have been a christian
    Ben is teaching me, and I am trying to get back with my wife, but she won’t listen, I am trying to find a new home for myself

    I need some advice, should I tell my parents?
    If they accept me, I can move in with them
    But I want to be with Ben for as long as I can, because he has taught me so much, I really need some help, please help me

    Thanks

    • hi Afsar,

      You have several topics. First I want to say how you bless me with your testimony. I pray God helps you with everything you need in the days ahead. You have made an amazing transformation, and I am so proud of you.

      Your parents are still Muslim. I suspect they will reject you as an apostate for accepting Christianity. You know about what happens to apostates. I would not yet tell your parents. Just it some time, because you are new to the faith, and cannot yet defend your decision with scritpures. Build yourself up spiritually first. I would only tell them if you think they are secular muslims, and do not care much about religion.

      We first have to find out why your wife left. What was her complaint? It is important to understand why she left, if you want to get her back. That is a different discussion. But for now, know that the devil has been breaking up many marriages, because he steals, kills and destroys. Christian marriages get attacked frequently, since the devil hates Christians.

      It sounds like you have your child with you, so you have much to deal with, since he is injured.

      Stay in touch with me, and I can also talk to you off line.

      You are on the path of Jesus now, and what he taught.

      note: from other page, this December may be significant in that it is the start of the difficulty of many nations before the 2012 date you mentioned.

      Any time there is a dramatic end date, there are events leading up to that date, that causes the end.

      These are dangerous times, and we need to cling to our faith in God, repent of our sins, and accept the help that God gives. Maybe this December, we still see major changes start in the world.

  148. Dear Muslim Brothers & Sisters,

    Imam Mahdi is mentioned in the Hadith of the Rasool (saw) in Sahih Muslim, Buhkari and many other genuine authentic books of both Sunnis and Shias.

    All musilms believe in Imam Mahdi who read or watch Islamic TV programs, but the the Shia Mullas promote Imam Mahdi more, while the Sunni Mullas hide the truth and keep a very low profile because the hadiths are about Imam Mahdi fighting corruption in the Islamic world, where the Sunni corrupt governments(gangsters) comprise the majority today as Saudi, Egypt and Jordan the sao called PROTECTORS of Mecca & Medina, Al Azhar Al Shareef and Al QUDS. But in reality they are the robbers, Arabic saying ” Haameeha Haraameeha”.

    I have read many books by Sunnis & Shias and researched a lot on the net plus asked many Mullas. Also, god has blessed me by going to Umra over 5 times and Haj once Alhamdu Lillah.

    The first thing that IMAM Mahdi will do after appearing in MECCA is to return ISLAM to its pure roots as the days of Rasool (saw).

    Where he will say that Rasool (saw) was not a Sunni and Syedna Ali (kaw) was not a Shia, we are all MUSLIMS as per QURAN & HADITH.

    Shias & Sunnis were created by the Jews and Kufar after the death of the Rasool (saw) to destroy ISLAM by FITNA from within muslims. They have been supported for over 1400 years by the corrupt muslim Mullas and the corrupt Rulers as Rasool (saw) said.

    Rasool’s Hadith (saw) about IMAM MAHDI is very clear ” HE WILL FILL THE WORLD with JUSTICE & EQULAITY after being filled with CRUELTY and INJUSTICE”.

    I was born a mulsim like all human beings as Rasool (saw) said then beacme a sunni like my parents and now I am a muslim again NOT a SHIA like Rasool (saw) and Syedna Ali (kaw).

    Rasool (Saw) changed the world with support of God and the Sahaba. Also, IMAM MAHDI will need God’s support and our support to make the world a better place for the future of humanity being our CHILDREN OF THE WORLD.

    We must all support TRUTH & JUSTICE in our homes, Families, Friends and Offices. Fight Greed & Corruption as ordered by God & the Rasool (saw).

    Alsalam Aliyakom wa Rahmatulllah wa Barakatuh,

    AbdullahWaTaabeRasuleh@YAHOO.COM

  149. To Mohammad, i read your comment that you would like to be there to hear me say you were right and i was wrong about my choice in god. i would like to say that Jesus reached out to me is the reason i have chosen him. i have accepted and believe in Jesus because of a few spiritual encounters i have had. i have never had allah or mohammad reach out to me. i have only been threatened by their followers. so Christ is the only logical choice and also agrees with my spirit. by the way i absolutely do not wish for anyone to follow the anti-christ , not even Muslims. Asfer i have you in my prayers and Mohammad i prayed for you today and will add to my prayer list.

    • hi hotheadbuddy

      Afsar is a believer now. The Lord has “reached out” to him, as you say. Thank you for your prayers and good attitude.

    • hi hotheadbuddy

      This is to let you know that Afsar is a believer now. The Lord has “reached out” to him, as you say. Thank you for your prayers and good attitude.

  150. Here are some muslim beliefs about the mahdi and i will do a comparison with the anti christ and show some similarities between them. 1. he will be a descendant of mohammad. i do not believe this to be true . 2. he will be a devout muslim. the antichrist will not be according to Daniel 11:37 3. Jesus will come down and be an enforcer of sharia law. absolutely no truth to this. 4. unmatched as a spiritual , political , military leader that will appear on earth after chaos, turmoil and suffering to establish justice and righteousness. you can make a comparison with antichrist here. 5. he will be considered the supreme leader that will unite the muslim world with the nonmuslim world and create a one world government. you can make a comparison here. 6. he will lead military action against all who oppose him. the antichrist will use war and peace to fulfill his agenda. 7. he will invade many countries. Daniel ch 11:40 says he ( the antichrist ) will invade various lands and sweep through them like a flood. 8. they also believe the mahdi will appear riding a white horse. rev 6 states the antichrist comes on a white horse setting out to conquer. i do not believe this to be on an actual horse but is a reference to the 4 horseman. 9. he will make a 7 year peace treaty with the Jew of priestly linage. the antichrist will make a 7 year peace treaty with israel for 7 years. 10. he will conquer Israel for islam and lead the faithful muslims in a final battle against the Jews. the antichrist will attack the holy people but will not prevail. 11. the mahdi will establish a new islamic world headquarters from Jerusalem. some teachers of prophecy teach this but i could not find it in the bible with just an overview. i did find the antichrist will pitch his tent between the sea and the glorious holy mountain. 12. he will rule for 7 – 9 years. the antichrist will have power on earth for a period of 7 years. 13. the mahdi will have supernatural powers over the weather and agriculture. the only reference similar to this i have found is concerning the false prophet being able to pull fire down from the sky. this is found in rev 13:13 14. the mahdi will posses wealth and pass it out. Daniel 11:28 states he will return to his land with great riches and Daniel 11:43 states the antichrist will have powers over treasures of gold and silver. 15. mahdi will be loved by all the people of the earth. Rev 13:3 states the whole world marveled and followed the beast. 16. the mahdi is a great warrior. although there are many references in Daniel i will just use Rev 6:2 to back this up concerning the antichrist. two other bits of information on mahdi that are not related to the antichrist and cannot be backed up biblically are rediscovering the ark of the covenant by the sea of Galilee and he will discover some ancient texts that have be lost and will use them to convert some of the Jews. I hope at least some of this information i found will get us back on the topic of the 2012 mahdi.

  151. Hi All,

    First of all, let me say that I am a Shia Muslim. Secondly, must inform you that there are many misconceptions on this website about the Shia perspective on Imam Mahdi [aj]. The first error is in presented research; your source has been a Sunni website while you should have approached a Shia source for the corresponding viewpoint. You have also attributed a timeline and the concept of numerology to the Shia belief in Imam Mahdi [aj] while this is completely foreign to mainstream Shia belief. We do not believe in an exact timing for his appearence but can at best only predict and hope, based on signs and precursors, the ‘potential’ nearness of his emergence.

  152. Hi All,

    First of all, let me say that I am a Shia Muslim. Secondly, must inform you that there are many misconceptions on this website about the Shia perspective on Imam Mahdi [aj]. The first error is in presented research; your source has been a Sunni website while you should have approached a Shia source for the corresponding viewpoint. You have also attributed a timeline and the concept of numerology to the Shia belief in Imam Mahdi [aj] while this is completely foreign to mainstream Shia belief. We do not believe in an exact timing for his appearence but can at best only predict and hope, based on signs and precursors, the ‘potential’ nearness of his emergence.

    On this basis, I think it’s pertinent to add that many of the signs and prophecies have manifested themselves although there do remain important pre-requisites. As such, it’s now quite widely believed and hoped among the Shia scholars and adherents that we are very much living in the era of that human transformation; in addition to the “signs” many of the social and political pre-requisites have been achieved, such as the integration of human society via globalisation, the intellectual evolution of humanity and it’s receptivity to the idea of the rule of justice and truth based on its frustration with the failed political systems of the world that are based on materialism and bereft of ethics, equality and justice. Human society is almost ready to accept a transformation away from the failed status quo and is hence more open to the idea of emancipation at the hands of a just and progressive leader of humanity.

    It is natural that our Jewish and Christian brothers and sisters in monotheism may be anxious about such a belief but fear in this regard has absolutely no basis. We believe that the Prophet Jesus [peace be upon him] will play a major role in this emancipation, hand-in-hand with our Imam [as]. Jesus [pbuh] will be the one to slay the Dajjal (Anti-Christ) and will also have a major mediating role between the Muslims, Christians and Jews to unite them under the truth.

    We do not live in the best world today and although we are in relative peace and comfort in our part of it, the reality of the world in which we live is stark. Poverty, inequality and injustice, far outweigh peace and prosperity. Hence this divine movement for change and human evolution in every dimension should be our prime hope for the future.

    Our sources divulge that this transformation will result in, among other things, the replacement of poverty with wealth for all, of the elimination of ignorance and the introduction of new fields in human knowledge. It’s said that whereas human knowledge prior to the event stood at ’2-degrees’ this is increased by 25 degrees to reach ’27-degrees’. Furthermore, human evolution is said to reach a level that qualifies it for some sort of introduction into a kind of external community of beings in the universe. Humanity, a conglomeration of warring jungle tribes, will mature and evolve to a state that renders it a united and civilised race.

    Although the exact time for this human revolution is not prescribed, as it is subject to various natural causes, what our reliable textual sources have affirmed are general indications of time. For instance, we expect as a major indication a call from the sky, to signal the imminence. This will be heard by people of all nations and in their distinct languages and that this will occur on the 23rd night of Ramadhan of an unknown year. Within months of this, the Imam [aj] will manifest himself in Mecca on the 10th night of Muharram of an unknown year. Shortly before these precursors, there are certain political events and upheavals which we are told will occur in the Middle-East and North Africa regions. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Iran will feature prominently according to these textual sources.

    Interestingly, one ancient source prophecies as a precursor about a future king of Hejaz (modern Saudi Arabia) by the name of Abdullah whose death is followed by turmoil among political factions of the land and a power vacuum over successorship. Could this be referring to the current King Abdullah who is 81 years old and whose passing away is surely not too far away? This and many similar indications apparent today and prophesised textually are a reason to ponder for many of our scholars. Among them are many who have announced their view of the great likelihood that the emergence is very imminent. One scholar, Allameh Sheikh Behjat, a highly respected jurist and mystic, in response to a question on his view about the era of the Imam’s [aj] emergence and whether it may fall within the era of the young generation, is quoted to have said “The elders, I bring glad tidings to the elders”! Ponder this.

    On that note, I pray and I am confident that we are living in good times and that we will all soon be the witnesses of that era of true human emancipation, justice and evolution. An era about which it is said the dead will yearn to become alive.

    For the curious, I recommend this short series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm9SitzfPTY

    Peace be with you.

    • dear Wayfarer

      Thank you for your input. I had gotten the information from websites. Sunnis had responded before now, and I had to modify it to exclude them in the perspective.

      Biblical prophecy does not mention this personality. It only mentions the Messiah, and the Antichrist, so the attempt is to identify this other personality that you bring into the picture. Is it the Antichrist or someone else?

      Hopefully, there will still be forces of good on this planet that will align with Messiah (Jesus, to Christians) to defeat evil. Individuals, as well as leaders, will all be helpful.

      I am a “watch person.” I sit and watch, and try to evaluate what is happening. My blessed hope is to see the kingdom of God established on earth, and peace in all countries.

      • Hi Marianne,

        It’s understandable your sources may not explicitly mention the Islamic messiah by name but we believe he has indeed been referenced in the Gospels, particularly as the ‘Son of Man’ who will lead the promised emancipation of mankind. Evidently, this is not a reference to Jesus Christ [pbuh] who is believed to be the Son of God. Please refer here for more info: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234922536-the-mention-of-the-awaited-mahdi-as-in-other-religions/page__p__1342977&#entry1342977

        Based on your belief that there are only two figures – the Messiah and Anti-Christ –you ask how our Mahdi fits into this picture. Again this is a function of one’s particular belief system, but for Muslims there is no ambiguity whatsoever of the Mahdi’s affiliation with the cause of God and his principle role in bringing justice, peace and coexistence to humanity. This feature cannot be divorced from the Messiah expected by Muslims. As such it is impossible for him to be the leader of the cause of injustice and evil in this revolution or, in other words, the anti-Christ, else he would not qualify as Imam Mahdi [aj].

        For us, Imam Mahdi [aj], Jesus Christ [pbuh] and Dajjal [Anti-Christ] are the major players. One might ask why 3 as opposed to 2 and may wonder if this is counterintuitive. One reason for involvement of both an Islamic as well as a Christian Messiah is that the success of this revolution, although Divinely blessed, depends on NATURAL (in addition to supernatural) causes for its success. Hence, like a mathematical equation its successful outcome depends on the balance of the right variables. That is, the political, economic, sociological and psychological factors, among others, must be at an optimum state at the time of humanity’s revolt.

        During the emancipation and transformation effort, the hearts and minds of many will be won through the intellectual and spiritual wisdom exhorted by the Messiah. However, our textual sources inform of the reality that some will understandably remain agnostic to this message and require further proof of its veracity and divine intention. This is a reason why Jesus Christ [pbuh] is prophesised to descend from Heaven as a medium between the Muslim world, which accepts the Messiah and those of the Christian world who are undecided. Hence it is reality which necessitates this arrangement.

        Despite our doctrinal differences I commend you for being a watch-person, as you call it, as i believe it’s useful for people to at least have some awareness of these beliefs as a minimal psychological readiness for what may unfold within the next 10-15 years. It’s easy even for the faithful to be sceptical about this subject and I was somewhat indifferent to it until recently as well. Somehow we think this era will never appear in our lifetimes and in our minds it is always pushed into some distant future.

        However, I may say that I’ve also exercised some “watching”, albeit surely not comparable to your, and based on the accurate materialisation of an increasing number of ‘prophecies’ contained in our historical sources I have now found it impossible to ignore this subject. This coupled with what some credible and reputable Shia Muslim scholars have opined has really got me paying attention and scrutinising events or ‘precursors’ that unfold, particularly in the ME.

        I’m particularly curious how Saudi politics develops post-Abdullah and how well this is predicted by some of our textual sources.

        Peace be with you.

  153. There will be no forces of good that will align with the messiah. individuals or leaders to defeat evil before the return of Jesus except a very few Christians that may remain. Rev 6 vs. 15 – 16 or the 144,000 which there is not much info on their fate. I believe almost all Christians will be eradicated until the rapture. Marianne i have a new e-mail address. thank you.

  154. Hi, I’m new to this discussion. Just to let you know that the 3 main religion are actually thee 1 religion, that there is 1 Creator and the prophets were sent to different nations to let people know the Creator exists. The original torah and original gospel has been amended during time. The original text has been lost. Prophet Muhammed (SAW) has been sent as the Last Prophet to complete this 1 religion for eternity. He (SAW) was the seal of the prophets. That is why Islam has not changed since 1400 hundred years ago and will not do so. It has all been predestined. Imam Mahdi (AS) will come at a time when humans are at their worst. When oppression is at its worst. When people actually start giving up the idea of Imam Mahdi(AS) appearance. He will bring peace and justice to this Earth he will be a Saviour for all mankind. While he is in reign within 7 yrs the anti christ will appear and cause people grief especially the Muslims, weak muslims and non believers would fall for his deception. Jesus (AS) would finally descend in Damascus, join in prayer with Imam Mahdi and then both would bring about justice in Earth. Eventually the antichrist would be killed by Jesus (AS), hence why every religion knows the antichrist by that name including Muslims.

  155. oh btw, Jesus (AS) is here on this Earth, everybody will be able to recognise him, there will be no ambiguity.

  156. Sorry Marianne, I meant to say ‘when Jesus will descend on Earth’, not that He is already on Earth, everybody will be able to recognise Him (all 3 religions)and any confusion/misunderstanding would diminish …. what all Muslims believe is that there is a second coming of Jesus(AS) and will happen within the time reign of Imam Mahdi (AS)(i.e within the 7 yrs of the coming of Imam Mahdi (AS). What we dont know is when that will specifically happen but can make assumptions when it could happen. As we were foretold by our beloved Prophet Muhammed (SAW) the signs that are to happen before the appearance of Imam Mahdi (AS) and Jesus (AS)( most have happened), we were told in great detail because Prophet Muhammed (SAW) is the last prophet to be sent after a whole history of 124000 prophets sent before Him (SAW).

  157. “Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.”

    Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God. That denial qualifies them as an antichrist religion. The spirit of antichrist is to oppose the work of God and the purpose and finished work of Jesus Christ.

    You might take time to educate yourself, if you are concerned about your eternity:

    Jesus of Islam
    http://amos37.com/2008/03/01/jesus-of-islam/#more-185

    Isa: The Jesus of Islam
    http://amos37.com/2008/09/19/isa-the-jesus-of-islam/#more-155

    The Mahdi (Islamic Messiah)
    http://amos37.com/2007/06/28/the-mahdi-islamic-messiah/#more-237

    Witness to Muslims
    http://amos37.com/2008/03/01/witness-to-muslims/#more-183

  158. he ho men and women I am almahdi, but i have not godd english scuse me i am french language, in normal situation i should not appear before 2018 but seeyng you in conflict i dont can waiting to see you in this situation, my message for you is ; wait me any year and good afternoon

    • bonjour

      S’il vous plaît dites-moi pourquoi vous êtes le alMahdi. Quelles sont vos qualifications?

      Et s’il vous plaît me dire pourquoi vous devez attendre 2018 pour apparaître. La plupart des personnes sont intéressées que vous venez maintenant.

      Je suis intéressé.

      merci.

  159. I wish Jesus would hurry up. I was put in charge of hiding him and he eats all my cheetos, smokes my best weed, and drinks my beer. *** I hear that I have to wait until 2012 and he is supposed to go to Jerusalem. Oh yeah, all you pre-tribbers….the tribulation started about 15 months ago. You think port au prince was bad? You cant believe whats coming next. I wonder where you pre tribbers got the silly idea about the rapture? See, that would be a second coming, so I suppose when he comes to rule it was be his third coming? You guys and your post modern neoliberal armenian heresies. Hey since its started and only going to get worse…did you do like Jesus told you? Make sure your lamps are all trimmed and filled and keep a close watch. Yeah I know, nobody knows the day or hour….but if you pay attention, you will know the week and month :) Chew on that my unprepared christian friends.

    • dear kafir,

      If Christians had been doing what they were told, Jesus would have returned a long time ago. So you have a good point. I left out the profane comments, but left most of your text in.

  160. I would like to contribute to this forum by mentioning that Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist, who is now a born again christian, has a book out that is extremely revolutionary regarding end time prophecy. For any muslims reading this, please get a copy of the vaticanus codex for the passage in the bible of Revelation 13 where the English American versions say “666″. The original text looked like Greek letters that didn’t make up a word, so the interpreters of the King James at the time, used what’s called “Gamatria”. They assigned numbers to those letters and that’s how we came up with “666″ or “616″. The text actually says “Bism Allah”, “in the name of Allah”. The word “number” actually should have been translated as “Multitude”. The word “Mark” is “charagma”, which means “badge of servitude”. Where it speaks of “taking the mark” on the forehead or hand, “hand” really translates as “forearm”. Muslims already wear bands around their arms and foreheads declaring their allegience to Allah. The verse in Rev 13:18 actually says: “this calls for wisdom, if anyone has insight, let him calculate/decide/reckon who the multitude of the beast is, for it is a multitude of a man (Mohammed), and his multitude is in the name of Allah”.

  161. I forgot to state, the original Vaticanus Codex Revelation 13 passage is in Greek, except for the part “666″, which, is in ARABIC. So muslims, please go read it for yourselves. We christians couldn’t have changed the translation or corrupted it since no one even knew this until Walid Shoebat (a former muslim) pointed it out to us!

  162. Dear Marianne

    I am a shia Muslim and also an Iranian who lives in Iran … Reading your post and specially the comments brought me a great surprise, as I saw some things about shia beliefs which were completely unfamiliar for me.

    We shias DO NOT believe that some thing is going to happen in 2012. No hadith from our Imams had anything to do with 2012,2014,or any other year. As much as I know this 2012 and the “end of the time” concept is from Mayan calendar and has nothing to do with shia’s beliefs.

    The only thing we shias are told is to wait for our 12th Imam and prepare ourselves (especially spiritually) to help him bring peace to the world. The time is not mentioned anywhere in our religious texts. On the contrary we are strictly prohibited from predicting any time for it, as Imam Reza (AS) has told that those who want to specify a time for his (Imam Mahdi’s) coming are liars. It is not even said that how long he will rule after that. (Neither 7 nor any other number is mentioned)

    * Who says that Imam Mahdi (AJ) is going to behead people?! … According to our hadith he speaks to the people rationally and they will accept him from the bottom or their heart, not by force. Of course he will have some battles, but they are with the tyrants and oppressors of the time, not with normal and innocent people of the world.

    ** The next thing is that he is not in a pit or a well! The only thing about the well is that there is a well in the town of Samerra, which it was there that he has been seen for last time. That’s the only thing! He is not there anymore. We believe that he is among the people and live with them, but people do not know him. It is also mentioned in a hadith that when he comes, he is familiar to most of the people, and they think that they have seen him somewhere. Because he has lived with them and they had seen him during their normal life in the streets or somewhere else.

    *** At the end I want to ask you to correct the title of this post, because those things you have mentioned in it has nothing to do with shia’s (or even islam’s) beliefs.

    Thank you and May God bless all of us.

    • Dear Arthemis

      Thank you for writing. I try to give references when I collect information. You can see it above. The references appeared to be muslim sources, so I assumed I had found the correct information.

      As you can also read, other Muslims have written in, making distinctions. At first, I thought this was a general Islamic belief, then a Sunni wrote in, and said it was Shiite. So I changed the title.

      Are you aware of any sub-group in Islam who would believe the information I have? Or, did someone just put “junk” on the internet. I would like to know because many Christians read this and form opinions, and make conclusions, like I did.

      Please check the references and see if you can identify who this group is that published this. If it is a particular group you recognize, then I can narrow this post to just that group. Right now, I am not sure how to correct the title.

      I was trying to give an accurate view of the Imam Mahdi so we could compare it to bible prophecy and what we believe.

      God bless you.

  163. nothing men can do to each other will ever completely destroy humanity,but cosmic forces can.The Pit is the center of our galaxy,which is so dense that even light cannot escape.Demons are energy released from that center in a cyclical event that takes place in an astronomically predictable way .This galactic explosion emits such great disturbance that our planet’s cycles are disrupted bringing about cataclysmic events.Read about Dr. Paul Laviolette ‘s theory on cosmic superwaves.

  164. im just joining now, hi to all, im a shia and let me elaborate.
    the thing begins where lucifer denied succession to adam, and was thrown out and became what they say fallen angel..2 things go parallel starting from adam and ends at mahdi…one is the tree of purity(the bloodline of prophets)..and the tree of evil(satan).ever prophet is the son of the other prophet and the chain continues till the final prophet mohammad p.b.u.h, his coming was foretold by all prophets just as mahdi..and on his arrival the contitution og GOD (allah) completes and reaches it maximum and full stage.and then imamate begins, whoes role is to get the final prophecy acknowledged by the world until the world fills with justice…all prophets and 11 imams hold a position where they r the inviters to HAQ (divinity) and enlighters of the world by invitation..and the difference in all of the rest came before and mahdi is that when mahdi appears the time for invitation and mercy for tyrant stops. and power is taken back and given to the apostle of god to rule for the sake of oppressed. and to fill the world with justice. mahdi and jesus both will fullfill it, but no doubts the mahdi is the ultimate leaders and jesus main role is to make christians realize mahdi and enlarge the mahdi army..main enemy are the sufyanis who r the killers of prophets and the children as inkarbala and till 11 imams..the absolute deniers of man’s succession against lucifer.. as lucifer calimed the im made up of fire and adam of clay..he said im superior as nature of fire is to rise upwards and clay stays at rest at bottoms..where GOD replied, that fire is a vanisher and doesnot gives back what it takes, where as clay takes one and gives back thousand..continuing said..GOD likes the nature of bowing and submitting before him and not of rising before him and so on …but this was to understand a very little basic part of the whole game..all points towards the recognition of the creater by his creations in all forms..on this planet that is earth righteouness has to overcome falsehood as falsehood is bound to loose by nature. all that came before from adam till the 11th imam were the ones who sacrifised…MAHDI IS THE AVENGER OF GOD. i tried my best to incircle the whole thing in as much less as i could..anyone intrested in more discussion can contact me on detonati81@gmail.com….lets discuss….when it comes to the logic of being..the most logical thing come in front is MAHDI..where truth glorifies

  165. prophet hood and imamate
    the 11 imams
    the mahdi and his occultation
    and his appearence after this much time and y not before..
    cause of occultation
    reson of the delay..each and every single aspect is very logically elaborated according to shia traditions..since adam till the occultation, mankind was never left on earth without a guide from GOD , but this time till mahdi returns is a time where mankind has no one from GOD to lead…true leader can only be the ones assigned by GOD .. from among common humans leadership can never succeed what so ever effort is put in..which is now such an open fact but still denied and mankind continues its experiments over world..but harmony cannot only be achieved in submission and not in overcoming…submission to the one sent by GOD..coz he is equipped with that wisdom and the important part has always beens his personality in terms of humanly nature…as if u also go into history…prophets have are the one from whome sin cannot be committed..for they r pure..when we see jesus..we also have to acknowledge other prophets and the whole tree from adam till mahdi…the designations always remain that is divine and repesents GOD’s authority over his creation.

  166. the current time of occultation is because it is a time where GOD has left us alone because of our claim that we will rule the world by our own constitutions and laws…so GOD has left us on our own, and the results cannot be denied…it will be inhumane to deny the horrible results..he will not be given back untill we deny ourselfs and say that enough of our greed and we submitt to you..give us back the one from u as we want to follow him now..and cannot handle anymore destructiona and impurity and slavery. mahdi will resturn when a certain amont of favour for him is achieved my humans…atleast one such nation is established who awaits him and make themselves prepared for his arrival..according to imams , in the time occultaion..the only relief for mankind is to call upon mahdi.of his return..and shias are the only ones today who acknowledge all the prophets imams and mahdi..acknowledge the whole tree of purity , tree of prophets..and deny the tree of evil…we shais claim to be the most peacfull socoeties of the world..and we invite all mankind to recognise the tree of prophets as a whole and the return of mahdi as he the only relief….much much more

  167. the most astonishing facts and proves of the wisdom of GOD’s reresentater are the quotes and sermons of aymas..i insist on researching the quotes and sermons gives by prophets and imams, ima ali , imam hussain , imam hassan , imam sadiq and till mahdi..the wisdom within simple sentences is everlasting and we still see today facts being doscovered…do study imam ali’s quotes…when he 1400 years before said that the animals whoes ears are outside give birth to babies and the one who have ears inside lay eggs, in the answer to same question said the ones who feed milk give birth and the ones who feed grains or else lay eggs, and a 3rd answer was given third time and then said by GOD if the same question was asked to be until the day of judgment again and again i will give answers new to the prior and none of those answers could be proven wrong…such wisdom cannot be achieved and can only be granted by the one who knows his creations…and thousands and thousands of such quotes that will open your eyes and amaze u…that how could some one 1400 years back had such wisdom which science is still to discover…plzz refer to imams for everlasting wisdom

  168. See this page in: Spanish (Español)

    Discover the…

    …Bible’s position
    …Early Church’s position

    “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” John 10:27.
    The term “sola Scriptura” or “the Bible alone” is a short phrase that represents the simple truth that there is only one special revelation from God that man possesses today, the written Scriptures or the Bible. Scripture states this concept repeatedly and emphatically. The very phrase “It is written” means exclusively transcribed, and not hearsay. The command to believe what is written means to believe only the pure word of God. What is at stake before the All Holy God is His incorruptible truth.

    In the very last commandment in the Bible God resolutely tells us not to add to nor take away from His Word.

    “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book”
    —Revelation 22:18-19

    His Word is absolutely sufficient in itself (Psalm 119:160).

    The Biblical message breathed out by God is revelation in written form. (2 Timothy 3:15-16). The Biblical claim is that what God has inspired was His written word (2 Peter 1:20-21). When the Lord Jesus Christ said, “the Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35), He was speaking of God’s written word. The events, actions, commandments, and truths from God are given to us in propositional form, i.e. logical, written sentences. God’s declaration in Scripture is that it and it alone, is this final authority in all matters of faith and morals.

    Thus, there is only one written source from God, and there is only one basis of truth for the Lord’s people in the Church.

    Affirmed by Jesus Christ
    The Lord Jesus Christ, Himself, identified truth with the written Word. In His great, high priestly prayer, He said, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” This was consistent with the declarations right through the Old Testament in which the Holy Spirit continually proclaims that the revelation from God is truth, as for example Psalm 119:142, “thy law is truth.” There is no source other than Scripture alone to which such a statement applies. That source alone, the Holy Scripture, is the believer’s standard of truth.

    In the New Testament, it is the written word of God, and that alone, to which the Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles refer as the final authority. In the temptation, the Lord Jesus three times resisted Satan, saying, “It is written” as for example, in Matthew 4:4, “he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” In stating “It is written,” the Lord used the exact same phrase that is used in the Holy Bible forty six times. The persistence of the repeated phrase underlines its importance. The Lord’s total acceptance of the authority of the Old Testament is evident in His words found in Matthew 5:17-18:

    “Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. For verily, I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.”

    Other sources of authority condemned
    People often attempt to give human traditions higher authority than God’s Word. This was true of the Jews of Jesus’ day. In refuting the errors of the Sadducees, the Scripture records the Lord saying, “Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God” (Matthew 22:29). Christ Jesus continually castigated and rebuked the Pharisees because they made their traditions on a par with the Word of God—corrupting the very basis of truth by equating their traditions with God’s Word. So He declared to them in Mark 7:13 “You are making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such things do ye.” Since Scripture alone is inspired, it alone is the ultimate authority, and it alone is the final judge of Tradition.

    The Word of the Lord says as a commandment in Proverbs 30:5-6:

    “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
    http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/sola-scriptura-bible.html

  169. I didn’t mean to post the entire website…that was wierd…sorry

  170. humm i just wan to know the truth. humens cant tell when is the end of the world this web site its nnot truth. imam zaman comes when god tells him 2 no one can tell which year he is coming his zohoor is close but we cat tell 2. 5, 6, 90 , or even millions of years it can happen. you people say that because the scientists are discovering that. it is harram to say which year imam zaman(a) zohorz. woryy about you own life dont worry when it endz.wory about going to heaven or hell. read quran, pray, be a nice person to everyone. and dont believe all this bullshit.

  171. DONT BELIEVE THIS WHEN IS IT HAPPENING. this is bullshit.

  172. Heya,

    Actually, the belief in a the Mahdi is not unique to Shiites. Sunni’s also have certain hadith’s which point to the coming of the Mahdi. For instance, in Sahih Al-Bukhari: here area few ->

    http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter2/2.html

    As for the numerology issue – well Islam directly prohibits anything to do with speculation, bound by no logical rules. This is why in the Qur’an, Muslims are forbidden from seeking the help of fortune tellers and astrologers with supposed claims to hidden knowledge.

    As for Barack Obama…probably a slave to the New World Order.

  173. BESMELLAHER RAHMANER RAHIM

    DAJJAL HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED!!

    DO YOU KNOW THE DAJJAL (THE ANTI-CHRIST), THE ONE-EYED GIANT PROPHECISED BY THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH HAS ALREADY BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR THE PAST 472 YEARS & HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED? YOU WILL BE AMAZED TO KNOW THAT IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT IS THOUGHT TO BE TODAY. TO SEE WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS – VISIT THE WEBSITE http://www.tawheedprocation.com AND READ THE BOOK ‘DAJJAL? THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN CIVILIZATION!’

    THE TRUE CALL OF ESLAM

    To people, who are aware to even a minimum degree of what is happening around them in this world, it does not come as any surprise what pitiable situation the population of about 1600 million or 160 crores people who claim themselves to be Moslems are in. They are being subjected to untold horror by all other peoples of this world, defeated in every aspect, insulted, humiliated and killed. Their places of worship, their mosques, are being razed to the ground or turned into offices or clubs. Their women are being violated and killed. Yet, this is the people who go by the same name of those who were once the masters of this world. All others looked upon them in awe and respect, they ruled over half of the total land mass of the then world. They were the people who established the way of life (Deen) given by Allah over all the areas they conquered; they ruled unrivaled as none was there to challenge them in any aspect for they held the highest position in terms of military might, advances in science, civilization, in areas of new discoveries, inventions, technology and economic strength. Yet, all this could do little to prevent the wrath of Allah when the time came- and centuries have passed since they collectively lost in military confrontation to European Christian nations and accepted their subjugation in their lives. During the process of these defeats, lakhs and lakhs of these Moslems were killed, under tanks, burnt and buried alive-and shot dead, their dwellings were burned down. Their females faced the worst fates, being sold to brothels across Europe and Africa. Yet, the wrath of Allah has not ceased to this date. Christian forces in different parts of Europe namely Bosnia-Herzegovina, Albania, Kosovo, Czechoslovakia, Chechnya, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Eritrea-in Asia and Africa-in the Philippines, Buddhists in the Arakan, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and Sing kiang (China)-Jews in the Lebanon and Palestine, Hindus in the whole of India, especially Kashmir, are carrying on with the persecution and massacre on the Moslem peoples with relentless pursuit. There has not been a single instance, where any Moslem minority has expressed their will to live as Moslems and they have not been persecuted. They are taken into custody, subjected to inhumane torture, hung or simply left to die. All because they want to live independently as Moslems. In the history of mankind, no other nation has endured the level of humiliation and insult that has been heaped on this people. The incidents in Bosnia are such that, they are no comparison in human history; where thousands of Moslem were killed and dumped in mass graves, more than two hundred thousand Moslem women were systematically raped, impregnated and held in concentration camps to prevent them from aborting their unwanted offspring. Eventually, they gave birth to children of their Christian violators.
    Yet, if one were to look around to the other members of the so called Moslem nation, one would think nothing is amiss. It is as if all this torture, injustice, humiliation and insult that their brothers and sisters are being subjected to are acceptable as everyday occurrences. They eat, drink, enjoy themselves, engage in businesses and work jobs as if nothing has happened. What cruel irony! What possible cause could there be for such pitiable condition? Many thinkers are of the opinion that, it is the lack of unity amongst us or the effect of weak faith has brought this misfortune upon us. However, our leader, the Emam of Hezbut Tawhid, Muhammad Bayazeed Khan Panni says that, these are not the root causes of our downfall, they are mostly the outcome. The real reason is that we have strayed a long distance from the Kalema, the very Kalema that is the heartbeat of Eslam. He has proved from the Quran, that, “La Elaha Ellallah” is the soul, the basis and the foundation of the Deen-ul-Eslam. Eslam is enshrined within the Kalema, there is nothing pertaining to Eslam outside it. To be a Momen, Moslem or Ummat-e-Muhammadi, one has no option but to believe it with heart and soul, preach it and strive with utmost effort to establish it. Our Emam believes that a deviant, incorrect meaning of this Kalema is accepted worldwide among all today. It is believed and taught today that, the meaning of “La Elaha Ellallah”-is, there is none to be worshipped other than Allah-whereas, the actual meaning it conveys is-“there is none to be obeyed other than Allah”-because Elah and Ma’bud are two different words with two different meanings. In substituting Ma’bud for Elah we are merely using one word to replace another instead of conveying the meaning of the former e.g. ‘Elah’ a word that denotes the entity that is to be obeyed, adhered to, the soveirgn, whereas Ma’bud is ‘He, who is to be worshipped’, therefore, these two adjectives denote two different meanings. If ‘La Elaha Ellallah’ were to mean there is none to be worshipped other than Allah, then the Arabic would have been, ‘La Ma’bud Ellallah.’ But from the first Messenger Adam (A.S.) to the seal of the Messengers of Allah, Muhammad (SM) the Kalema they have all brought to their peoples has remained the same, ‘La Elaha Ellallah.’ Over two hundred thousand ‘Nabis’ or Messengers from Allah have borne witness to this same Kalema, ‘There is none to be obeyed other than Allah.’ Allah is definitely the only Ma’bud, but that is not the Kalema of Eslam. The Kalema, cornerstone of the faith is to accept Him as the only Elah, no one else to be obeyed other than Him. In the Quran, Allah affirms, “Those who accept Allah and His Messenger will enter paradise”-(Sura Fatah-17, Azhab-71). Then again in Sura Nissa-69, He avows, “Those who obey Allah and His Messenger, will be in the company of Nabis, Shaheeds, Siddiqs, Saleheen,” the only condition that has been laid for the entry to paradise in both the instances, is obedience to Allah, the acceptance of His will as the only authority. It is interesting to note that, Namaz, Roza, Hajj or Zakah have none been given as a pre condition for entry to paradise, it is only the acceptance and adherence of Allah as the only authority of the only faith. The Messenger of Allah has cleared this point by saying “Man qala La Elaha Ellallah fad khalal Jannah”- (Bokhari and Moslem from Abu Zarr Ghefari R.) i.e. He who says that there is none to be obeyed except Allah will enter paradise. Here “says” means believing it with all the heart without any doubt, proclaiming it openly and struggling (Jahedu) to establish it on earth.
    Our Emam has made us realize that, due to the gross error in the understanding of the meaning of Kalema, this huge population of Moslems in the world has forsaken the allegiance to Allah as the only law-giver, the only one whose ordain we are to obey. We accept Him as the Ma’bud, the one to be worshipped, believe it with our hearts and souls, say prayers to please Him, give in charity, in Zakah, fast to gain His proximity, His goodwill, engage in various other good deeds but none adhere to Him as the only one except whom there is none to be obeyed. In our collective life, we have forsaken the Deen, the way of life, as prescribed by Him and accepted and implemented those created by our fellowman, little knowing that, by doing so, e.g. diverting from the Kalema, we are turning into Moshrek and Kafer. In a Hadith describing the akheri zamana, the Messenger of Allah has stated, that the mosques will be full of Musallis, there will be shortage of space in those, but, they will be devoid of Hedayah [Source: Bayhaquee from Hazrat Ali (R.)] This ‘Hedayah’ or right guidance is the acceptance of Allah as the one besides whom there is none to be obeyed. This is Tawheed; this is ‘La Elaha Ellallah’. It does not take a genius to figure that if there is no Hedayah in mosques full of people, there is no Eslam either. In today’s world, there is no place where the ordinance of Allah is adhered to, in the collective level, not even in the so-called Moslem states. Everywhere we look, the way of life, the system of government is those prescribed by the peoples and by Jews and Christians. In so doing, by implementing man-made ways of life instead of the one sent by Allah, the entire population of Moslems have indeed rejected the Deen given by Allah through His Messenger disobeyed Him and became Kafer (disobedient) like the Eblis who disobeyed Allah’s order to prostrate before Adam (A.S.) and was thrown out from His presence. Thus he became Rajim (Ousted). Moslems today, busy as they are in out-doing each other in Namaz, Hajj and Zakah in Tahajjud and Tarawih, oblivious to the fact that, the one thing they are united in is, the denial of the Kalema, Tawheed of Allah as the only law-giver, the partial, personal iman, (which is in fact shirk), that they so completely believe in, will be just as scornfully rejected by Allah and cast away on Judgment day as it is being today here on earth.
    The other significant issue that has been clarified to us by our Emam is that due to the gradual deviation from the true faith, the Eslam present before our eyes is the completely opposite thing to the real faith. Eslam was that, which Allah revealed to us through the Messenger, who in turn entrusted the spread of the same through Jehad (all out struggle) on his followers. Moreover, Allah cautioned this nation of dire punishment and slavery if they abandon the struggle, the Jehad of implementing this on the whole of this world. (Sura: Tauba-38, 39)
    The first 60-70 years of the Ummat-e-Muhammadi beginning from the life of the Messenger saw this nation, this Ummah engage in continuous and tireless effort to establish the Kalema of Allah, the rule of Allah, over half of the known world. But, misfortune soon seeped in. Over a gradual span of time, this nation forgot the concept of their faith, lost sight of their goal-which was the establishment of Eslam all over the world and began to enjoy the privileged lives of kings and monarchs. But, were the word of Allah to go amiss? That too, came to pass in due course. The so-called Moslem nations lost every battle, every war against invading Christian armies, were subjugated by them and became their slaves. This slavery is continuing to this date, albeit in a bit different form. Furthermore, to ensure that this nation is never again able to raise its head, their Christian masters devised an ingenious devilish plan. After careful consideration and research, they created an Eslam of their liking something that would resemble the true faith outwardly, but be the exact opposite in character to the one taught by the Messenger of Allah, sent by the maker Himself. To put this plan into action, they introduced the system of Madrassah education, they substituted the meaning of ‘Elah’ as ‘Ma’bud’ because, if they were to taught the true meaning of ‘Elah’ e.g. ‘He who is to be obeyed’, their position as the masters of the vanquished would be jeopardized thus they completely did away with the teaching of Jehad, the fight, the struggle to establish the way of life ordered for this earth by Allah. They did so because, if the Moslems were taught the true meaning of Elah and Jehad, the real Tawheed that they would revolt against their masters still remained. An Eslam minus its soul (Tawheed) and life (The establishment of the faith on collective level) were taught in great detail where Namaz, Roza, Hajj, Zakah, Ablution, laws and Fatwas regarding marriage and divorce, turbans and lebass, Meswak, Kulukh, the length of beards and pajamas etc petty topics were taught to be the all important issues in Eslam. In their cunning brains, the masters correctly conceived that the more engrossed these Moslems would remain in these less important matters thinking these petty matters to be the most important issues of Eslam, the easier it would be to govern them and the idea of freeing themselves from their Christian masters would not occur to them! The first of these madrassahs were founded by Lord Warren Hastings in Calcutta in 1780 (what irony!). At the beginning, they entrusted the administration of this Madrassah to some of their chosen Mullahs, but when it became clear that they were not being able to deliver the desired results, they took up the reins themselves. In 1850, the first of the Christian Principals Dr. W.D. Springer M.A, took office of the Principal, after that, over the next 76 years, 27 Christian Orientalists, in successive order, held the highest administrative office of this madrassah, teaching a lifeless, soul-less Eslam to these so-called Moslem population. What irony! Moslems to learn their faith from Non-Moslems! When they were convinced that, this dead, defunct Eslam had become imbedded in the hearts, souls and minds of the people, they relinquished the post of the Principal to ‘Alems’ well-versed in the curricula of their very Madrassah. [Source: Reports on Islamic Education in Bengal by-Dr. Sikander Ali Ibrahimy, and ‘Ali’a Madrassah-r Itihash’ by Mustafa Harun, Islamic Foundation, Bangladesh ].The Christian masters executed this masterplan not only in this subcontinent but also in other Moslem counties they occupied militarily. It has been over half a century that, the British have left this sub-continent, yet the system of Islamic Education-devoid of Hedayah, Jehad and soul (Tawheed) introduced by them has prevailed to this day. The Moslems continue to be misguided by it, accept it to be the correct form and observe it with utmost sincerity. Therefore, there is no let-up in the wrath of Allah that has long since descended upon us either.
    Our Emam maintains that, those who accept this perverted version of Deen-ul-Eslam, this Eslam where Jehad and Allah’s all-encompassing Tawheed are absent (as taught by their Christian masters) live in Fool’s Paradise, immersed in Shirk and Kufr. He has drawn the anger of a particular class of people on himself. Because of this truth it is the lot who claim themselves to be the torchbearers of this opposite-directed, perverted version of Eslam, the so-called ‘Alem’, ‘Ulema’ society; the same Alems who are divided into hundred different groups over petty ‘Masla-Masaels’, who constantly squabble among themselves to prove one’s superior knowledge over the others’. The defunct, soulless Eslamic Education they receive from their Madrassahs does not allow them to become united about any particular issue, let alone strive to establish this way of life over all others unitedly. All they are capable of doing are selling their Christian conceived Eslamic education amongst the general population for a nominal price. They sell Eslam by way of leading the congregational prayers in mosques, for Jumma and Eid, Tarawih and Janaza, various Milads, delivering religious sermons (Wa’z), issuing religious decrees/decisions (Fatwa) and various other methods.

    Whereas the Quran declares-“Lo! Those who hide of the scripture which Allah Hath revealed and purchase a small gain therewith, they eat into their bellies nothing but fire. Allah will not speak to them on the day of resurrection, nor will He purify them. Theirs will be a painful doom. Those are they who purchase error at the price of guidance and torment at the price of pardon. How constant are they in their strife to reach the fire!” (Sura Baqarah-174,175)

    It is our extreme good fortune, that our Emam, the founder of Hezbut Tawheed movement has been able to realize the true form of Eslam as revealed by the Almighty to His final Messenger (SM) more than 1400 years ago. Our Emam founded this movement with the aim of bringing the true faith to light before us, his people so that we are able to revert to it from the perverted, opposite Eslam taught to us for so long by the Mullas and the Christian Colonialists.

    We, those whom the Almighty in His Infinite Mercy has caused to understand and accept the true faith, abandoned the perverted version practiced for so long-are truly blessed, truly fortunate. For, we are the people in whose hearts the Merciful One has allowed the true faith to take root, opened our eyes so that we see, the rightful Eslam as revealed to Allah’s Messenger (SM). We were lost, wandering in search of truth, the real Eslam and we were clinging to the perverted. Eslam embedded in our hearts and minds by the Christian Orientalists, striving to establish the same, when He, the most Gracious One granted the knowledge of distinction between the right and wrongful following of Eslam to this slave of His, our Emam. Under his guidance, we have mended our ways, we now understand the actual concept of Eslam, of Tawheed, of Emam,of Momen,Moslem and Ummat-e-Muhammadi; of Hedayah and Taqwa; what the goals and objectives of salah are, what the modus operandi of the establishment of Eslam should be and what measures should be taken to achieve that goal.

    It is clear before our eyes why the real Ummat-e-Muhammadi, numbering only about 150 thousand, steeped in poverty, illiteracy and insufficiently armed were able to in only about 70 years to bring the greater portion of the known world under the banner of Eslam by defeating two super powers of the then world, not one at a time but, simultaneously an achievement unparalleled in the history of this world. This event struck fear into the hearts and minds of their enemies and today, there are millions of Fakihs, Mufassirs, Muftis, Alems, Peers, Derveshes among the population of over 1600 million Moslems worldwide; they own a lion’s share of the natural resources of the earth and yet are at the worst possible condition being kicked about by everybody. We are able to gauge the prophecies of the Messenger of Allah (SM) made 1400 years about the advent of the Dajjal during the akheri zamanah. We now know the fearsome Dajjal has made its appearance as said by the Rasul Allah (SM) and has successfully subjugated the entire mankind into accepting it as its Lord. Today, the world as well as the population of so-called Moslems lay prostrate at its feet.

    As it is not possible to describe in detail, all the relevant issues pertaining to the understanding of the true faith in a paper of such small proportions, only some highly important issues have been earmarked for elaboration here, for ex- the classification of the Momens, Moshrek and Kafer. Allah has divided mankind into two halves; in the Quran it is said, “He, it is who created you, but of you is a disbeliever and one is a believer.”- Sura Taghabun, 2. Therefore, not being a believer is being an unbeliever.
    Momen: – “True believers are only those who believe in Allah and His Messenger and afterward have no doubts about it, and struggle the utmost struggle (Jahedu) with their wealth and their lives in the way of Allah.”- Sura Hujurat, 15. Here are two conditions provided by Allah in defining a true Momen. One is the belief e.g. iman in Allah and the Messenger, e.g. Tawheed, the vow to accept the words and limits set by none other than Allah and His Rasul in every sphere of one’s life, be it at the personal, social, national and international levels economic, judiciary or penal systems. This is Tawheed, acceptance of His sovereignty, to disavow; deny any other authority other than Allah and His Messenger. The second part of the definition calls for the sacrifice of life and property to establish this Tawheed on the face of the earth. Needless to say, the so-called Moslem population of this day falls in neither category. How can they claim themselves to be Momens by the definition provided by the maker Himself? Quite simply put, they cannot. Not to be a Momen is to be either a Moshrek or a Kafer.
    Kafer:- According to the definition provided by the Quran, in Sura Maida, “Whose Judgeth not by what Allah hath revealed, such are disbelievers, wrong-doers, disobedient” Verses, 44, 45, 47; the Arabic words being ‘zalem’, ‘fasek’, ‘kafer’ in the Quran. The word used to denote ‘Judgement’ here is ‘Hukum’ therefore; it is inclusive of all types of judging, like that of the judiciary, social limits etc. No other condition or precondition e.g. of belief in Allah or performing Ebadat, is attached to this. Therefore, whoever or whatever society fails to mete out justice or rule by the limits set by the Quran, are indeed ‘Kafer’, irrespective of how much taqwa they maintain, how deep their knowledge of the faith is, or what heights they reach in purity of the soul as dervishes or ‘peers’. By this ayat alone, the entire Moslem population of this world at present is de facto Kafer (Unbeliever), zalem (Wrong doers) and fasek (Disobedient).
    Moshrek: Verse 85 of the Sura Baqara states, “Believe ye in part of the scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof? And what is the outcome of those who do so save ignominy in the life of the world and on the day of Resurrection they will be consigned to the most grievous doom. For Allah is not unaware of what you do.” The scripture sent by Allah is the Qur’an; therefore to obey parts of it and disobey parts of it is shrek. Again in Sura Nessa, 18, 116, Allah declares, “Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth all save that to whom He will whose ascribeth partners unto Allah, He hath invented a tremendous sin.” This so-called Moslem population only accepts and obeys parts of the scripture in the form of Namaz, Roza, Hajj, Zakah, albeit in an erroneous fashion but maintain a wide berth from the parts that deal with economy, politics, judiciary, social system etc. Instead of obeying the Quran in these regards, they choose to obey and adhere to the system introduced and implemented by their fellow man namely the Jews and Christians. And in doing so, by accepting and implementing parts of the scripture and disobeying other parts of the same, they have turned Moshrek and Kafer too.
    Therefore, it is clear beyond doubt that, this nation today stands as Kafer and Moshrek. But for those who still choose to deny this, I have some questions.

    First question:- “Allah has promised such of you as believe and do good works that He will surely make them to succeed in the earth even as He caused those who were before them to succeed”- Sura Noor-55. True to His words, the illiterate, poverty-stricken Ummat-e-Muhammadi that numbered to no more than half a million, were indeed granted control of almost the whole of the then world area. But what of today’? Is the nation that claims to be ‘believers’-‘Momens’, in control of the world as promised? Leave alone domination, this nation is like a football that everyone else is kicking around. Then, there are now only two answers- if this nation still claims to be Momens, ‘believers’, then Allah Himself has made a false promise, (Naowozubellah) and if Allah has not made a false promise then, with all their Namaz, Roza, Hajj, Zakah, this entire lot is ‘Be-Iman’-Unbelievers.

    Second Question:-“Allah is the protecting friend, guardian, of those who believe”-Sura Baqarah, 257. The literal meaning of ‘Wali’ is guardian, friend, and protector. Could those, whose ‘Wali’ is Allah Himself be defeated by their enemies? Could they ever be harassed, insulted by all other people? Could their mothers and sisters be molested by infidels? Absolutely never! So, what does this prove? This is clear proof that, Allah is not the ‘Wali’ of this lot. Therefore, this people is not among the category of Momens, Believers, and hence naturally Kafer, Moshrek.

    At this point, there is only one avenue open to the people of this faith, and that is to revert to the true form of Deen-ul-Eslam Allah has granted our Emam to understand, to renew the vow of the Kalema, get back into the fold of Tawheed, by reaffirming the right, sovereignty of the Maker as the only one to be obeyed in every aspect of life.

    Once we have realized this great truth, it is now our act of faith to disperse this knowledge among people of this nation, if this divided, quarrelling, indiscipline population can be called as such, to return to the true faith as deemed fit by Allah. This is our call and today, you have received it. Up till now, you had the excuse of being ignorant of it. If on Judgment Day, you are questioned regarding it, you may have replied, “Ya Allah! The true form of your faith was not manifest before me! I was unaware of my responsibility! In my ignorance I faithfully carried out the rituals of the faith as done by my fore-fathers.” From this time forward, this excuse has been rendered in admissible for you. Today, you have been made aware of the true form, of Tawheed and real face of Eslam. However, it is not feasible that, the entire truth about the present day perversions in the faith be discussed and outlined in detail in this small handbill of a paper. Therefore, if there remains even the smallest speck of a wish in you to see yourself as a true Momen, Moslem and Ummat-e-Muhammadi, if it hurts the inner you to see the heaping of insults on your people by all other peoples of this world, then Hezbut Tawheed is the movement for you to participate in the strive to establish the true form of the faith on the face of this earth.
    The Quran says “And when it is said unto them: Follow that which Allah hath revealed”, they say: “We follow that wherein we found our fathers. What! Even though their fathers were wholly unintelligent and had no Guidance?” May we not end up like those about whom these verses were revealed, Ameen!

  174. Dajjal already identified,one of the greatest person identify it.
    Dajjal has been identified!!

    Do you know the Dajjal (the anti-Christ), the one-eyed giant prophecised by the messenger of Allah has already been in existence for the past 472 years & has been identified? You will be amazed to know that it is completely different from what it is thought to be today. To see what it actually is – visit the website http://www.tawheedprocation.com and read the book “Dajjal? The Judeo-Christian civilization!”

  175. Riyorko,

    Hi hope you are well.

    You are wrong the Native Americans of North America, the Aztecs and the Incas have suffered far worse then the Muslims. You despise oppression of your own people. Yet is it not a Muslim law that anyone converting a Muslim is to be put to death?

    Mohamad was not a man of peace but of violence. He was a false prophet from Satan. Allah is nothing but a lie.

    Jesus is Lord and the Son of God. Only through Jesus can our sins be forgiven.

    Do not call the people whom the Muslims have fought with Christians either. A real Christian would never fight to kill and enslave. A real Christian would do as Jesus commanded and Love their enemy.

    All these people who profess hate and violence are the same except they practice their lies through different names. The end result is the same, murder and blood shed.

    May God take away your peace and give you no rest until you find Jesus.

    Love,

    John

    • u didn’t read about islam and your speech came from your haates
      P Mohammad never started a war , he sent the Muslims to be protected to a Christian king
      and when he died P Mohammad cried and prayed on him
      but if jesus killed for our sins , who will go hell ?
      does this mean that all of us will go heaven bcoz jesus killed for our sins ?
      if god is his father why he would be killed instead of telling the god to forgive us ??
      does this mean that they don’t have discussions !!
      oh god

      • dear ahmad,

        I am only answering the Jesus part of your comment.

        We all deserve punishment for our sins. If we do not get punishment on earth, we will go to hell and be punished there. No one can go before a holy God if they are in sin.

        Jesus loved us all, and he loved God the Father so much, that he wanted all the world to go to heaven.

        Because of this love, Jesus volunteered his life as a punishment for ALL sins, for everyone in the world, so that no one had to go to hell.

        God accepted this self sacrifice, to satisfy his holiness and justice.

        If we also accept this self sacrifice that Jesus made for our sins, then our sins are forgiven, and we will be “covered” by the holiness of Jesus, and we can go to heaven.

        Once we are “clean” from sin, by repenting and accepting what Jesus did for us, we can be holy and pure also, like Jesus, and can be called children of God.

        It is the holiness that makes us children of God, not a physical birth.

  176. What is Dhimmitude

    God Bless America and our Freedom from Islamic Rule,
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ccpga/

    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-194672.html

    Word of the Day: Dhimmitude, What an eye opener.

    Had never heard the word Dhimmitude, until now—Type it into Google and start reading…Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is supported by law. We are surrendering from within! The boy is leading us right down the path to total control!

    Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.

    The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking” and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I John Smith, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.

    Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor. If you don’t believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. “Sure, I’ll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?”

    I recommend sending this post to your contacts. This is desperately important and people need to know about it – quickly.

    PS Have you heard about the summit Obama is holding this month in DC for the future Muslim business leaders in the US? He wants to increase their ability to begin business opportunities in the US for the Muslim community!
    More on Dhimmitude: http://www.dhimmitude.org/index.html

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  177. I continue to learn knew things everyday. I want to hear different points of view. I don’t see any Muslims posting videos like this to persuade people to their beliefs. This video is coming from the Muslim Community. They posted it on You Tube. It speaks for itself. What does anyone have to say about this?

    • I think the Quran, and other latter sources copied material from the book of Revelation and the book of Matthew. But it is interesting how they view things.

  178. I don’t expect to be here when the anti-Christ shows his face, but I am curious. Has he been born? Where’s he living at this very moment?

  179. Are there any Messianic Jewish believers out there who want to respond to these videos? Anybody have the nerve to identify yourself besides Marianne?

  180. no one has commented on my question and since posting it last I was listening to J. Vernon McGee and he was answering questions about who the anti-christ will be and he said he didn’t believe that he would be of any religion. But I looked up a You Tube to see if this question and answer radio program might be posted there and there was a similiar You Tube on Revelation 13 He was talking about there being 2 beasts. So listen to what he has to say.

    • The 2nd beast is the false prophet who supports the first beast (antichrist).

      the pseudo lamb is from Israel? why does he come from Israel, which is Jewish, not Christian?

      • Israel, today, generaly means a country. But Israel is the name of Jacob, given to him when he wrestled with a heavenly being. Gen 32 v 28. Also Gen 35 v 10. Biblically it also refers to the 12 tribes of Israel. Historically the Jews, or the house of Judah, is the only tribe to maintain its identity. His promise or blessing was that the redeemer would come through his descsndants.Gen 49 v 10. This being Jesus the Son of God. Those we label Jews are not pure blooded Jews(refer DNA testing) but those who ascribe to the Law of Moses, and are Jews by adoption. If you read about the man Judah he was a bit of a scoundrel, he had Cainanite wives,(descendants of Cain, through Ham) His sons were killed by God because they refused to give Tamar children, only using her for sexual gratification. However if she had, had children by these two men her child would have been denied the promise, because of his Cainanite heritage. God side stepped the problem by bringing about Tamar’s seduction of her father in law Judah, One of her twins being the progenitor of Jesus, thereby fullfilling the promise. Tradition has it that the beast (anti Christ) is from the line of Rueben who had sex with his fathers wife,Bilhah, Gen 35 v 32, thus being denied his birthrite. As a member of the tribe of Israel, he takes his tribal name Israel. It is this refrance of Israel you are looking at, not the Kingdom Israel.

    • His love for the Jews? He wants them all dead. He thinks if someone lives in Israel, they are not Jewish and should be killed?

      I feel these are self hating Jews. They are doing this – selling out other Jews – for their own self preservation.

  181. This is a really interesting article by a Messianic Jew.

    http://www.wordfromyerushalaim.com/Beware%20of%20Deception,%20Christian%20Zionist.htm

    • I think he is off some, although his main point is ok that we should be Christians first, and allow politics to come in second, if that.

      As Christians, we cannot allow others to be harmed, and just stand by and do nothing. It is as if we have contributed to the harm by allowing it, which would be the case if Iran carries out its threat.

      The bible does say that one responsibility of civil government is to protect its people. Iran is also a threat against the USA.

      Christians are citizens also, and also part of the governmental structure that has this responsibility to protect the country. Israel is an ally, and a first line of defense against rogue nations.

      Iran wants genocide in the USA and Israel. This is unacceptable. Remember, even in the bible, God authorized his people to defend themselves outside, and inside, the Promised Land.

      Those are my thoughts.

  182. for your question about who will be the antichrist
    in my view point , the antichrist will be a movement against jesus and imam mahdi
    some ppl things the antichrist is the free mason , because the antichrist mentioned in my books as the one eyed
    and it’s clear for all ppl that free mason is has one eye
    my books the antichrist has an eye in his forehead
    and it’s clear where free mason eye is !
    but maybe this is not correct and maybe we will see another antichrist
    our books describe the antichrist as the false christ
    maybe it’s the free mason because they are christian also
    but they move to destroy and change the world for the new world order
    the evil world order

    this is my view
    with resect to all other views

    • hi ahmad

      I think the main clue to the antichrist is that he will be against the real Christ.

      He will make himself as if he is the savior of the world, when he isn’t. He will also be ungodly, and oppose God’s laws.

      That describes too many people now, so the time has come, when a leader like this will win approval.

      • hi marianne , well
        sorry but u have to read from more resources to get your prophecies
        but for now i’m gonna ask you first and i will explain later
        what is the link between Israel and the antichrist
        i heard from many ppl that he will be the leader of israel
        if he is not the leader of israel , what he will be ?
        waiting your answer

        • hello ahmad

          The identity of the Antichrist is portrayed in scripture in a very symbolic manner. It is first identified in the Book of Daniel in several chapters.

          Daniel 7 – it is the 4th beast- the beast is actually a kingdom of nations – represented by the animals…..the iron teeth represent the roman empire….The Son of Man ( Jesus) is shown in verses 13 & 14 since he receives the kingdom after the defeat of the beast
          http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?t=KJV&x=27&y=7&b=Dan&c=7&v=1

          read Daniel 9:24-27 the “prince that comes” and confirms a covenant for one week (7 years) is the Antichrist.
          http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?t=KJV&x=52&y=7&b=Dan&c=9&v=1

          this is the description in Revelation 13 – from the vision of Jesus by John the Apostle- each part of the beast is an animal represented by nations mentioned in Daniel, so the description of the beast is best interpreted by Daniel….Babylon (lion), bear ( medo-persia), leopard (greece).. the first beast is the antichrist…the second one is the false prophet or religious system that supports the first beast. If the animals represent the “kingdom” of the beast, then this would point to a eastern- middle eastern antichrist.
          http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=13&v=1&t=KJV#top

          There is one passage that refers to the fierce leader to come as the Assyrian…..(Book of Micah)…but this does not mean he is from Assyria, which does not exist now, but that he could have this in his ancestry…..Syria might be involved however, as an ally, because it has been prophesied that Damascus would be destroyed. (Isaiah 17:1)

          There are other scriptures that indicate the antichrist is an enemy of Israel, and he invades from the “northern” direction, and takes over Jerusalem. He comes in peacefully, deceitfully, and then betrays the people. He is also opposed by those directly north and south of Israel, in some sort of power struggle for the land.

          So it is all in the interpretation.

          He could be European, Israeli (there are anti-Israel Jews), Arabic, Persian, Greek, Roman,…..

          the 7 year covenant with many mentioned in Daniel does not have to be a covenant of peace….but the “prince of the covenant” makes it happen.

          it could be something else….currently in the news is the topic of dividing Jerusalem, which is against God’s will (mentioned in the book of Joel and Zachariah) but we know this will occur before the battle of Armageddon…..because by then, the city will be divided…..

          or the covenant could be a further dividing of the land of Israel to appease the Palestinians, which everyone knows will not appease them, since they want all the territory, not part of it.

          Dividing the land will bring a curse on whoever is involved. So it distresses me to see my country involved in this. America is getting cursed with one disaster after another now, like the broken oil well that is dumping millions of barrels of oil into our waters, tornadoes in our country, bad economy, floods…but our stupid president is not a godly man, so he does not “see” the truth. Anyone who cooperates with him is also in trouble with God. Maybe he is the prince? I do not know…we have to wait and see.

          I guess you can see that it is a complicated issue.

  183. so this funny looking ghost is the Mahdi….? It does not look very heavenly or holy to me. see above video

    “Imam Mahdi Unexpected Appearance” proclaims the title of a video posted on YouTube. A miraculous figure of glowing, brilliant, white light appeared on a video filmed in Karbala, Iraq, on the night of Ashura, 6 January 2008. This Shia Muslim ceremony commemorates the martyrdom of the grandson of the Prophet, Hussein, whose tomb is in Karbala. (Benjamin Creme’s Master confirms that the light figure is Maitreya (Imam Mahdi to Muslims) and that His dance-like movements with a sword remind us of His coming with the Sword of Cleavage.)

  184. I guess I had to hear the words from the Man himself; Ahmadinjad. The clock is ticking. How much time do we have?

  185. I have to admit the Muslims are getting better at presenting their message as this video demonstrates. I like to show both sides.

  186. Isn’t it amazing what is said in this video?

  187. Here’s the Jewish response to the above video.

  188. I don’t understand why the moon god worshipers don’t let that 12th Imam out of the well. I keep sending beer, and pork skins to him, but it is always returned to me with comments like: Death to the infidel, and murder all those who oppose Islam.

    I mean, where is the love?

  189. Here’s a differnt side of Ahmadnejad. He’s not ranting and raving like Hitler. He’s calm, almost likable. Amazing. Like the anti-christ will be.

  190. If I couldn’t find a video by Dave Hunt on Gog and Magog I found one on the Mahdi.

  191. I verified this is true (the symbols really are Arabic) by an Arab I know…

  192. Ministers such as Pat Robertson and Chuck Missler have again and again given date of end but they have again and again failed. Pat even stated that it was God who directly conveyed the dates.

    Then there are talkshows where they talk about Jubilee years coming and then they laugh that witch-doctor (Jesus) will come at the end of it, but they are always wrong. When will their prediction of Jubilee year come true.

    They say father, son and holy ghost. How come Ghost can be holy, Ghost is something scary.Why dont they replace holy ghost with Mother, then it will become father, son and mother.

    All religions are hoax. Dont worry about religions, just live your life to the full.

    Suzy.

    • hi Suzy

      I agree that people should not set dates. Since prophecy is so interesting to people, they tend to do that out of enthusiasm.

      Jesus indicated the best sign to look for – when the abomination of desolation described by Daniel occurs. he said when you see that to flee Jerusalem because trouble is coming.

      He also commented that this time would occur after the fig tree bloomed, which is metaphor for the rebirth of Israel, after they get scattered again, The scattering occurred in 70 AD, and the rebirth occurred in 1948.

      Some think it will be a jubilee year, but there are calendar issues. They can only count jubilees when they are in the land. I think the next one is in 2018. Jesus did not say he would return in a jubilee year, so we don’t know.

      The Holy Ghost is a heavenly being that carries out the will of the Father in heaven on earth, in the absence of Jesus, who is in heaven now. His job is to help inspire people to seek god in their lives, and to love Jesus and the Father. Hopefully he does not scare anyone, unless they are evil, and need to get their lives straight. The bible describes him as very gentle and sensitive.

  193. Suzy;

    Can you give the reference for when Pat Robertson and Chuck Missler set dates? I don’t remember them doing that. I’ve been around long enough to know there are date setters and they have come and gone. I don’t know of these two setting dates. Here’s some web sites with dates:

    http://www.rapturenotes.com/dumb-date-setting.html
    http://www.raptureready.com/rr-date-setters.html

  194. Like I said on:
    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/america-is-still-a-christian-nation/

    “Christians” need an “Awakening”

    We need to engage these people in debate. out of Love.

  195. Marianne;

    Faud worked at our hospital the other day. He accepted the Bible I had for him.

  196. Imam Mahdi and the promised messiah has already come in 1835 AD.

    He is the real Imam of the world…

    • dear Muzaffar.ahmad.noori

      One of the speakers in the video you posted indicated it takes about 300 years after an imam or prophet comes before there is peace.

      WE have had peace in regions over history where there was no imam or prophet. THE Romans had their own version of peace, the American Indians had peace until the white settlers came, cultures in South America and Europe, and China and the Orient had peace without an imam or prophet.

      So what is the advantage of the 300 year wait or any prophet that initiates a slow change, and how is this change any different from what has been accomplished without an imam or prophet? That is one question.

      Then another thought. This world is now capable of nuclear war. There is much strife present. Your imam came in 1835. Do you think this world will last another 125 years before another “slow change” starts?

      This is a question I could post to someone from any religion. I am just drawing from the discussion in the video. Thank you.

  197. I used to listen to J. Vernon McGee before work. But my schedule has sort of changed. I was so excited to hear the other day they have a program in Arabic. All you have to do is get the word of God into someone’s hands and God will do the rest. J. Vernon McGee takes a little while to get used to his voice. He has a Texas drawl or twang. Whatever you call it. He’s a good teacher. Here’s the web site:

    http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/thru-bible-international-on/id305458298

    Thru the Bible International on OnePlace.com – Arabic By Dr. J. Vernon McGee To listen to an audio podcast, mouse over the title and click Play. Open iTunes to download and subscribe to podcasts.
    Podcast Description
    Thru the Bible is a worldwide Bible-teaching ministry airing in more than 100 languages and dialects around the world. Our mission is simple and the same one Dr. McGee himself embraced: To take the whole Word to the whole world. When translators and producers in nations all around the globe contract with us to produce the programs, they commit themselves to keeping their translations as close to Dr. McGee as possible, changing the vocabulary, illustrations, and idioms only when necessary to reach their cultures in the same way that Dr. McGee was able to reach his listening audience.

  198. What would the implications be if we were to find out that YHWH had actually brought allah upon His chosen people? Look at Daniel 9:11:

    11Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

    Daniel prayed these words while captive in Babylon, in the time of Darius, the King of Persia. If you look up the word curse in Daniel 9-11 you will find the Hebrew word “alah”, pronounced aw-law’. This is all part of the ongoing story of two sets of half-brothers: Issac and Ishmael-Jacob and Esau. Where the first born did not receive the blessing, but rather the second born, chosen by YHWH. Both families had twelve brothers and became great nations. It started with anger and hostility, has stayed that way, and will end that way. Yet with many being converted out of the muslim conutries, to YHWH. This was God’s plan from the beginning and will play out according to His purposes. This is a refinining fire that is coming our way to make us Kadosh before Him. The western church has to grow up and realize that God did not promise us sunshine, rainbows, and lollipops! But to end with a word of hope Jeremiah 30:7 Oy! For that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Yaakov’s Trouble: but he (Jacob) sahll be saved out of it. You notice he said saved out of it, not from it. Big difference. This is the rite of passage that God has given to us. With great effort and cost will we be ushered into the Kingdom.

    • Hey Al,

      Can you find out the original translation to find out if it was indeed written as “out of” or “from”?

      I am hoping for the latter…

      • Hey Lyndsey,

        I will try and find that out for you. The bible I quoted the verse out of was translated by Jews from the Masoretic Text. I have not checked the original for the exact wording yet, but after having looked at this verse in many different translations, the word out was used probably 90% of the time, with most of the other 10% coming out of more of the newer translations. Why they broke away from what seems to have been the original word, only they can answer. Hopefully it was born out of a pursuit of the truth, rather than pushing an agenda based on personal belief. One question to you. What is your thinking about the verse in Daniel 9:11 that says that God brought the curse alah to Israel, and thus by extension brought it upon us?

        • My thoughts are that G-d has used this to bring about everything He has planned for us. G-d had mercy even upon Ishmael….kept him alive in the desert for His purpose.

          G-d even used Pharoah, purposefully hardened his heart, in order to fulfill HIS purpose.

  199. Al;
    We have to be very careful not to mix up God’s dealings with “The Church” and the “Jews”.

    I brought this up on another post somewhere. I don’t remember which one. It’s not important.

    http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pretribulation-rapture.html

    The Time of Jacob’s Trouble

    In several passages, the Bible refers to the tribulation as a time of trouble for the Jews. The phrase “Jacob’s trouble” pertains to the descendants of Jacob. Jeremiah 30:7 says that this time of trouble will come just before the Lord returns to save His people. The final week of Daniel’s 70th week is yet to take place. An angel told Daniel that, “70 weeks are determined unto thy people” (Dan 9:24). Scripture never mentions that the tribulation is meant to be a time of testing for Christians. However, some post-tribbers try to claim that they are the ones being tested during the tribulation. To make this so, they need to spiritualize the 144,000 Jewish believers in Revelation 7:2-8 who receive God’s protective seal. Placing the Church dispensation into the same time frame as the seven-year Jewish dispensation, as the post-tribbers do, raises one good question: Can two dispensations transpire at the same time? In the past, God has only dealt with one at a time. Having both present during the tribulation would have to be an exception.

    We were in agreement over on:
    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/america-is-dying/#comment-33879

    • When gentiles are “grafted” in to the Abraham covenant, doesn’t that “graft” us in to their curses as well? Should we only expect their blessings and not their curses? Being adopted, we become heirs….to everything right?

    • Kittii,
      I don’t think that dispensationalism is a Hebrew concept. I understand that there were different covenants made with different people as time progressed. But that doesn’t mean that another covneant entered into, nullifed the preceeding covenant. If you see time as linear, having a starting point that is never revisted, then dispensationalism works well. But if we, having been created perfect in Adam, falling from that perfection, and returned to that perfection in Yashua, then is life not cylclical? Do we not end up back at the beginning? If all of that is true and we are headed back to the beginning of things, then where are we now? Glen Beck had an interesting program on a few weeks ago with a Jew named Daniel Lapin. They talked about how we are now revisiting the time in history known as the Tower of Babel and Nimrod. One global society with the same agenda. The world’s answer for what ails mankind. God has an intricate plan for bringing man back to Him. Every covenant that God has made has strenthened rather than nullified the previous one. God has always had a voice in this earth. If you read the parable of the Good Samaritian you will find a lot more than just a good story on how we are to live our lives. Why did the priest and the levite pass by the wounded man but not help him? Why did the Samaritian feel compassion and help? Some translations will give you the idea that the Jews were uncaring and that is why they didn’t help. Yashua, in giving this parable was speaking of a time when the Jews would not be in a place to fulfill the mandates given to Israel by God. The Jews were going into exile, unable to minister to their God and their fellowman. That office was being given to a Samaritian, who was a peraon of mixed ancestory. Part Sumerian and part Hebrew (from the exiled 10 Northern Tribes). The pouring of the wine and oil into the wound and taking him to the inn is a picture of that mandate from God falling on this people of mixed ancestry. It is interesting that The Samritian gave the innkeeper two denarii. A denarii signifies a days wage, signifying that he would return and complete his obligation in two days, or two thousand years. Is it not interesting that he used a Samritian to fill this position. It wasn’t a Greek or a Roman or any gentile of pure ethnicity. It was rather a Hebrew who had been mingled among the nations. So my question is. Is this a gentile or a person of Israel. The Jews knew the Samraitians were bascially half breeds and that is why they felt superior to them. But the Jews also knew they were their brothers. The Jews, while in Israel, would sacrifice 70 bulls every year for each of the nations, because of their exiled brothers from the 10 Northern Tribes. It is a picture of the gentile nations being grafted into Israel. I know that this is totally contrary to Christian thinking and raises ire in a lot of people. But it is the Season of the restoration of Israel and it’s people. That is why these things are being spoken of now. Would welcome your comments, whatever they might be.

  200. Al;
    I’ve always been drawn and perceived the scriptures in Jewish way from the very beginning of being born again. So, what you’re saying is not foreign to me, only I wish you would give links or references to where you get your information so I can read the whole concept; eg.The Good Samaritan, cyclical vs linear (that makes sense). I’m always been open to a new way of reading or seeing the scripture, especially if it’s from a more Jewish perspective. That’s why I like certain Messianic teachers like Jonathan Cahn and Christian ones like Chuck Missler. Read what I posted on both of them on http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/sabbath-wars/

    Marianne should do a post on the covenants. There’s several and they are complicated.

    Please post the reference on the Good Samaritan. I am familiar with Daniel Lapin.

    In regards to Lyndsey question: We have to read the verse in context. Is the verse speaking to Israel or the church? and that’s where replacement Theology comes in to play. Is the Church “The New Israel”?

    I like how you were including the Gentiles. Where did you read or get that? Believe it or not, that what the Anti-Zionists mention on their Web sites too, like Rahab and Ruth. They say Judaism is not a race but a religion, but I don’t think that is totally true or else they wouldn’t go to all that trouble of not converting and marrying Gentiles. But then again they don’t believe in proselytizing. I’m sure they would be surprised to hear me say some of this!

  201. Is the Church “The New Israel”?

    Emphatically, No.

  202. The church is not the new Israel….Israel has not been replaced.

    The church has been grafted into Israel.

    Israel is the root of the Tree.

    The church is the branches.

  203. Lyndsey;
    One of the problems with a lot of churches (I’ve been told, because I’ve only gone to one) is they don’t take in the “Whole Counsel” of God. All 66 books, verse by verse, chapter by chapter. They stick to the New Testament and topical/Gospel sermons.

    This might help: He quotes several Old and New Testament verses. He also talks about the Abrahamic covenant. You have to look at all the verses or else you will pull them out of context.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Israel-church.html

    Question: “Are Israel and the church the same thing? Does God still have a plan for Israel?”

    Answer: This topic is one of the more controversial in the Church today, and it has significant implications regarding the way we interpret Scripture, especially in regard to the end times. More importantly, it has great significance in that it affects the way we understand the very nature and character of God Himself.
    One final thought: promises made to Israel are still going to be kept in the future. The “clock” for that has been temporarily stopped, and only God knows when those things will come to pass. However, we can be sure that all God has said is true and will take place, because of His character and consistency. Earlier, we mentioned that how one views Israel and the Church has implications on the interpretation of Scripture, and here is why: it is not possible for the Church to fulfill or expect to have fulfilled for them the promises made to Israel. So, as one reads Scripture, it is absolutely essential to follow the pattern set by Scripture itself and keep Israel and the Church separate.

    But to Al he recommends:
    Recommended Resource: Dispensationalism by Charles Ryrie.

    So if you can give those references on what you were sharing; I would like to look at them and read about them

    • Replacement Theology is just another deception, among many others, that the “church” would have us believe.

      The entire Bible, both OT and NT are all about ISRAEL….the “apple of His eye”.

      We/gentiles/”church/are adopted/grafted in/the branches to a tree that has Israel as its foundation.

    • Kittii,
      In Hebrew thought, there are four ways to interpret scipture:

      Pashat- The literal meaning
      Remez- Deeper truth
      Drash- Search
      Sod- Hidden

      In the Parable of the Sower Yashua said this:

      Matthew 13:10-17 (Amplified Bible)
      10Then the disciples came to Him and said, Why do You speak to them in parables?

      11And He replied to them, To you it has been given to know the secrets and mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

      12For whoever has [spiritual knowledge], to him will more be given and he will [a]be furnished richly so that he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.

      13This is the reason that I speak to them in parables: because [b]having the power of seeing, they do not see; and [c]having the power of hearing, they do not hear, nor do they grasp and understand.

      14In them indeed is [d]the process of fulfillment of the prophecy of Isaiah, which says: You shall indeed hear and hear but never grasp and understand; and you shall indeed look and look but never see and perceive.

      15For this nation’s heart has grown gross (fat and dull), and their ears heavy and difficult of hearing, and their eyes they have tightly closed, lest they see and perceive with their eyes, and hear and comprehend the sense with their ears, and grasp and understand with their heart, and turn and I should heal them.(A)

      16But blessed (happy, fortunate, and [e]to be envied) are your eyes because they do see, and your ears because they do hear.

      When Yashua uttered these words, the twelve he had called were disciples. They were being taught and trained in the ways of the Kingdom. They had not yet attained to the ministering office of Apostle. My thinking is that all of us are called to be disciples, while very, very few of us will ever be called to the responsiblity of an Apostle. His called disciples are meant to understand the secret’s of the Kingdom, in varying degrees, according to the purposes of the Father.

      Below is a story about Isaac and the redigging of 3 wells that his father Avraham had previously dug. It doesn’t seem to have a whole lot to do with the narrative it is contained in. Doesn’t really seem to have a purpose.

      Genesis 26:18-22 (Amplified Bible)
      18And Isaac dug again the wells of water which had been dug in the days of Abraham his father, for the Philistines had stopped them after the death of Abraham; and he gave them the names by which his father had called them.

      19Now Isaac’s servants dug in the valley and found there a well of living [spring] water.

      20And the herdsmen of Gerar quarreled with Isaac’s herdsmen, saying, The water is ours. And he named the well Esek [contention] because they quarreled with him.

      21Then [his servants] dug another well, and they quarreled over that also; so he named it Sitnah [enmity].

      22And he moved away from there and dug another well, and for that one they did not quarrel. He named it Rehoboth [room], saying, For now the Lord has made room for us, and we shall be fruitful in the land.

      In Isaiah God spoke of how he declares the end from the beginning:

      Isaiah 46:10
      Declaring the end and the result from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure and purpose,

      Look at the scripture from Genesis and give your interpretation or find one you find suitable out of a commentary. I would be interested in knowing your results if you decide to do this.

  204. Hi Lyndsey and Kittii,

    Dispentationalism and replacement theology are very necessary in
    determining the relationship between Israel and the Church. The best
    place to start is to dispense with replacement theology and replace
    dispensationalism with the simplicity of God’s word. This will leave
    us with the option to see that the two are by nature, mutually exclusive, since the “church” is the embodiment of all that is Christ, whilst Israel is representative of all that is not;i.e; it is
    obstinate,rebellious and unbelieving. Since, in Christ, there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile,(Rom 10:12), then God’s chosen people are all those who have received Jesus, and we know them as the “body of Christ”. The “church” is also known as the “Israel of God” or spiritual Israel..(Gal 6:16) because our means of atonement,Jesus, was a Jew, born of natural Israel,and became a life giving spirit.
    1 Cor 15:45
    The spiritualization of Jesus means we too can be empowered with his
    spirit in order to resist sin and temptation and thus keep God’s commandments. Had Israel en mass accepted Jesus,the nation would have been spiritualized in this way, resulting in the curse they are still living under being revoked, along with the CONDITIONAL Mosaic covenant they could not honour;(no man can keep the law) resulting in complete atonement and forgiveness; but they chose to forfeit their birthright as God’s chosen people. All who accept Jesus, are heirs under the new covenant and therefore can consider themselves to be spiritual Jews,just as God desired Israel to be.

    Understanding what the olive tree mentioned in Rom.11 represents,will
    clarify any misconceptions regarding Israel’s standing with God.
    Consider the olive tree to represent the UNCONDITIONAL Abrahamic
    covenant,and not Israel by way of the CONDITIONAL Mosaic covenant.

    God promised Abraham that ALL NATIONS will be blessed on account of
    him, along with the promise of being the father of a great nation,
    Israel…Gen 12:1-3

    Consider the trunk of the tree and root system to be God’s unconditional promise to Abraham, with the roots firmly anchored in this promise; and the branches to be natural Israel by way of His
    conditional promise to “her”. It is clear from the verses in Gen. that God had a redemptive plan for the Gentiles(Nations),regardless
    of His plans for what was to become his chosen people, Israel.

    We know from Rom. 11 that those,the branches, who remain in unbelief will be cut off. Since Israel as a nation remains in unbelief, there
    can be very few branches on the tree representing her. So what
    constitutes the root system and trunk of the tree if Israel has failed
    to even keep it’s branches ?!!..It surely cannot be natural Israel!!
    The constitution of the tree must therefore be greater than Israel,
    in order to sustain the few believing “Jewish branches” on the tree.

    As stated in Rom 11 this is a cultivated olive tree, which means that
    it is has been purpose bred,and it was. It was to stand forever,
    clothed in leafy Jewish branches,which in turn were to produce Gentile laterals. But due to the removal of the Jewish branches through unbelief, it was then necessary to graft in branches from elsewhere to maintain it’s form and facilitate the health of the tree.
    This tree was perfect and unique;the only cultivar; the others being
    wild. As stated in Rom 11, the grafting of a wild branch to a cultivated one, goes against nature and all common sense,since the
    wild branch has little aesthetic value,while in this case, the fruit
    will be inferior. But the tree needed branches, and we can be sure
    by means of God’s power that these wild branches will grow to be as
    cultivated ones,all because of one man, Abraham…the father of all,whom without there could have been no Jesus and ultimately no salvation.
    Now that the tree has been restored, and become dense, any subsequent grafting will have to take into consideration available space, since there is a density limit for any plant, so when Israel eventually awakens from her unbelief, will there be space for the Jewish branches to be grafted on ?! Will they not have to be grafted to the Gentile ones in order to survive? No,fortunately for them,there are twelve special branches on the olive tree that will never be removed, so that “all Israel” can be saved. Not all Jews will be saved, but rather many from each of the twelve tribes. These twelve faithful, labouring apostles are soon to display the full fruits of their grafting!!

    God bless.

  205. Richard,

    I know you did not respond to me, but I just have a few comments. You thougts concerning dipsensationalism, are as extreme as possible. Your basic premise being Jew bad, gentile good and worthy of all. Your thoughts are so random and scattered with nothing to hold it together. There is no constancy or consistency to YOUR disconnected logic. You are the essence of anti-semitism. It is this thinking, that has been prevelant during the past 2000 years, that has given rise to corrupt christian systems, resulting in the torture and murder of Jews worldwide. Hitler used the writings of Martin Luther, the protestant reformer, to justify the near extinction of the jews, in the holocaust.

    The bottom line is, you can fragment the scripture all you want, to make it say what you want. The scripture from Genisis to Revelation (from beginning to end) is one complete picture of God’s plan and redemption for His people. I will add that poor translations and intentional misrepresentations have done a lot to confuse many.

    The scripture below (from Genesis, The Beginning) tells who the gentile believer’s would be in relation to Israel:

    Genesis 9:25He exclaimed, Cursed be Canaan! He shall be the [a]servant of servants to his brethren!(A)

    26He also said, Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem! And blessed by the Lord my God be Shem! And let Canaan be his servant.

    27May God enlarge Japheth; and let him dwell in the tents of Shem, and let Canaan be his servant.

    Shem is the bloodline of Israel. We are Japheth, who dwells in the tents of Sherm. Not the other way around. There are good jews and bad jews. There are good chritians and bad chritians. That has nothing to do with any of this. This is God’s plan, not mans. And your rhetoric is doing nothing but trying to tear this apart. Try and find a way to bring restoration, in the confines of God’s will. Israel is God’s will, from beginning to end. I am sure even the thought of that rubs you the wrong way. I hope you are able to step back and see the whole picture at some point. I am really not against you, just your destructive thinking.

  206. Al;
    Please read this link in it’s entirety and give all of us your feedback.
    I’m not going to mention my background. I’ve done so in several places.

    http://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/hebrew-roots-movement-the-issue-of-hellenization/

    I can’t write, so for a long time I just posted links and videos. I think Richard meant well. This subject has been a topic of discussions in many many places on this blog. Marianne, Lyndsey and I aren’t disagreeing as much anymore. There’s been a meeting of the minds.

    Lyndsey, Marianne and I went back and forth on:
    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/call-no-one-rabbi/#comment-34019

    I got this link on web searching for Hebrew mind set vs Western mindset. Brian Knowles. I never ran across him before. I don’t know him.

    http://www.godward.org/Hebrew%20Roots/hebrew_mind_vs__the_western_mind.htmhttp://www.egrc.net/pages/articles.html
    http://www.egrc.net/pages/articles.html#hta

    http://www.seekgod.ca/topichr.htm#faqs
    http://www.seekgod.ca/hr/hrfaqs.htm#jewish
    http://messianicfellowship.50webs.com/bradYHWH.html

  207. Hi Al,

    Thank you for your comments…Firstly, you should know that I am anti no one(!), particularly the nation who brought forth our Saviour! Furthermore, stating the truth of the spiritual condition of the
    nation of Israel,is not the mark of anti-Semitism, scriptural manipul
    ation or tribal brinkmanship. It is a fact that Israel by most part do not acknowledge their Messiah because of their hardness of heart
    and unbelief. Because of this,it is also a fact that Judaic Jews persecute Messianic Jews and Gentiles like myself who do acknowledge THEIR Messiah! But most important of all, it is a fact that salvation is only possible through Jesus,and ironically the people who were given the perfect opportunity to recieve the fullness of Yahweh’s grace and mercy,once again allowed their obstinacy to cause them to
    reject His perfect love.
    You claim to know the bible from Gen. to Rev. so you should be aware
    of the extent of Yahweh’s patience and mercy throughout the Hebrew scriptures, towards His chosen people,and you will also be aware of
    the new covenant in the Greek scriptures regarding His chosen.
    Whatever our understanding of who God’s chosen are, and what constitutes the “church”/”body of Christ” lets agree, whoever we are,or whatever we are, that it is not about “us and them”, it is all
    about being “one” in Christ!

    God bless!

    (Thanks Kittii!)

  208. Richard,

    I appreciate you writing back. I took more of a knee jerk reaction to what you wrote. I went back and reread your post . While talking about restoration and reconciliation, I was doing the opposite and increaing the degree of separation. I do apologize for that. You did not deserve that. I am not changing my postion, but I do have the obligation, through Yashua, to be civil while discussing the things of the Kingdom. Especially with someone who is part of Yahshua’s flock. I ask your forgiveness for my bad behaiour. If you are willing, I look forward to some spirited debate in the futre.

  209. Hi Al,

    That is so gracious of you(!),and forgiveness is not necessary, for I
    did not condemn you in the first place….In fact, being grafted onto the same “Peter” branch as you, I find myself constantly needing to
    harness and regulate inherent impetuousness, a “thorn in the flesh” of
    many kinds that we all possess.So don’t despair brother; the Lord will
    see us through our weaknesses….Forget!!

    God bless you!!

  210. Hi Kitti,

    Have had a lot of company and basically no time. Just getting things back to normal.
    I have read the first link you entered on your last post. This is no small subject and cuts to the heart of everything that is going on now. YHWH left His message of salvation and how he would accomplish it in the Scriptures, both in what is called the Old and New Testaments. The first 4000 years dealing with the formation and ongoing history of the land and people of Israel, and the covenants YHWH made with His people. The next two thousand years, the Jews go into exile and it becomes the time of the Gentiles and the preaching of the gospel in the name of Jesus to the world. In 1948 Israel became a nation again in their ancient homeland that YHWH had given them. When Israel regained their homeland in 1948, the time of the gentiles had come to an end. I am not saying the gentiles became unimportant. What I am saying, it was the time of fulfillment of the Fall Feasts and the beginning of the soon coming Millennial Kingdom; the time when the Jews would receive their Messiah, Yashua, and God would restore Israel to its place of pre-eminence in the world. An interesting side note here: prior to 1948, you would have been hard pressed to find even one Messianic Jew. Since 1948, there numbers are in the millions.

    If we see the Jews and the Gentiles as two separate groups that basically have nothing in common, and basically have their own destinies, then we have missed the whole point in what God is doing here. That is why dispensationalism was brought into the church. It was the only way to come up with God having two separate people with two different destinies. Our current situation, as I see it, is this: We have a church who thinks they have become spiritual Israel, thus making them spiritual Jews. We also have a church who believes they have replaced Israel literally and God has cast off forever His ancient Chosen people, with all the rights and promises made to Israel now bestowed on a Gentile church. We also have Messianic Jews who have embraced their Messiah and still keep the Torah. It is my understanding, they tolerate Gentiles into their midst, but deem them inferior, not a part of Israel. We also have Orthodox Jews who keep the Torah, but are still waiting for their Messiah to return, the first time. This doesn’t count all the splinter groups out there. So, what is our response to all of this? The church would say, all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord shall be saved, which is basically a true statement. Messianic Jews believe the Messiah is basically for Israel, not pork eating Gentiles who do not keep the Sabbath, Torah, and Feasts. Even gentiles who keep the instructions are not fully embraced, for the most part.

    The gentile church has been under the misconception that for Jews to be born again they had to convert to Christianity. Most Jews who have tried to convert to Christianity, and were serious about their faith, normally didn’t last long. They saw themselves embracing pagan holidays and ceremonies to become a part of the church. Even when torture, murder, expulsion, genocide, and anti-Semitism were involved, most couldn’t do it..

    If it sounds like I am being divisive, I’m not. God is inclusive not exclusive. He welcomes anyone who WILL, but ON HIS TERMS!!!!! This is an interesting verse out of Jeremiah;

    Jeremiah 16:18-21 (King James Version)
    18And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things.
    19O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
    20Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?
    21Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The LORD.
    You can see that this is taking place in the tribulation (in the day of affliction) and that Gentile’s have been handed down traditions that were lies and vanity, gaining no profit at all from doing those things. Because of the declaration of the Gentiles YHWH will cause them to know Yashua and Ruach HaKodesh. And then they will know that His name is YHWH. Even as YHWH will bring the remnant of the Jews to the Messiah, so He will bring the remnant of the Gentiles to receive and understand His Truth, contained in His instructions.
    Matthew 7:21-23 (King James Version)
    21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    This is about doing the will of God, not deciding for ourselves what is important. Good works are essential, regardless of what we believe. From outward appearances this looks like a contradiction. This person says he has accepted Jesus as the Lord of his life. He is seemingly doing and saying all the right things. So, what is wrong? They work iniquity. The Greek word for iniquity is anomia . Basically this means to be without law or instruction. My question is, since they are without instruction, even though they seem to be doing the good works YHWH has commanded us to do, how is it they are out of the will of the Father, given the position of the Church about the law? Yashua did not say that the person lied. He was evidently doing what he said he was doing. The tragic thing is, it doesn’t seem to have been enough. There was something missing.
    One last verse out of Zecheriah:
    Zechariah 8:23 (King James Version)
    23Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
    The term, in those days, again designates the time of Jacob’s trouble. It is rather self-explanatory. My question is, why weren’t they going to the gentile church? I am sure one popular response would be that they are not there, that God has taken them. I believe there is a catching away, but it will be Jews and Gentiles. It is not a Gentile thing. It is for all who will be at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Both Jew and Gentile.

    When Yashua came the first time as Yoseph, the suffering servant, partial blindness came upon the Jews, so that at the hands of His Chosen people, He would be crucified. I believe the following verse speaks to that:
    Zechariah 13:6 (King James Version)
    6And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
    The rejection of the Messiah, the crucifixion of Yashua, the 2000 year exile, and the return in 1948 were all components of YHWH’s plan of salvation. So it will be with the Gentile church. The church is loaded down with paganism, but they are not cast off. In fact, YHWH is with them also, working out His plan of salvation. Both Jew and Gentile, both bringing something that the other needs, the two becoming One New Man in the Messiah. And all of this at the time of the end. A time of judgment and restoration. Even as the Jews were partially blinded, so has it been with the gentile church. There is no one here who is 100% correct. But YHWH will come to us and reunite the brethren.
    As far as the Hebrew mindset and language goes, it is of the utmost importance. Many believe that Hebrew was the original language. I personally believe that. There is no indication that it wasn’t. Yes, the gospel was spread basically through the Greek language. There is no point of contention with that. It all makes perfect sense. But the fact that Hebrew was revived as a conversational language in the 1900’s by a Jew named Eliezer Ben Yehuda, just prior to Israel becoming a nation again is no coincidence. In fact, in the Hebrew language, there is no word or concept for coincidence. That is how fully engaged the Hebrew language was with the people, the culture, and their relationship to their Elohim. Also, God’s timing is based on the Hebrew lunar calendar. For this day it is especially important, because of the coming fulfillment of the Fall Feasts.

    God didn’t switch to the solar calendar because Roman Caesars and Catholic Popes decided to change dates and times. God’s reckoning is still based on the Hebrew lunar Calendar. If we do not embrace these things that YHWH has given us, so that we can know and understand what is coming, many will enter the time of trouble with little to no understanding. It is not His choice for it to be that way. But like it or not, most people just don’t want to be involved in “Jewish” things. The fact is, these things are not Jewish things. They are YHWH’s things, that he gave to Israel to teach them to be Kadosh before Him.
    One last thing. The typical response to all of this is that Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, said that we are no longer under the Law, so, these things don’t apply to us. Bad translations, a lack of understanding, and a willfulness to eradicate the Torah from Christianity are the reasons. I will give one example: the term the curse of the law seems to be pretty straightforward. The law was a curse to those who were under it, which is a true statement. Those who seek to earn their salvation through keeping the law, make the law a curse to themselves. It does not mean the law is bad and should not be followed. This kind of logic and understanding is where the disconnect is. The New Testament is full of such errors. Please understand, I am not saying the original writings are incorrect. It is many, if not most of the Western translations that show a bias. If you don’t believe this, read the Early Church Fathers and the history of Christianity. The problems between Jews and Gentiles, even as believer’s, were evident from the beginning. It is all a matter of searching it out. The thing is, these biases still influence us today. They have become some of the main doctrines and beliefs of the Christian church. Basically, these are traditions that have been handed down to us by our forefathers. If none of this was important and of no consequence, then we can all just overlook it all and be happy together. But if it is important and has major consequences involved, and it is not addressed, then is their great hurt all around. I am not asking anyone to believe me on these things. Search it out for yourselves. “Work out you own salvation with fear and trembling.” It is nothing less than our eternal lives that are at stake in all of this.

  211. This is my last post on this blog. I wanted to say goodbye and not just leave.

    To James Giordano:
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    http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_islam6.php

    What do Muslims believe concerning the end times?

    The question as to whether or not the Antichrist will be a Jew or a Gentile has been hotly debated by Bible prophecy experts ever since the revival of the study of end time Bible prophecy some 400 years ago. In recent years the debate has taken on a new flavor by some who are obviously impressed with the resurgence of Islam worldwide. They have developed a whole new scheme of end time events in which one of the most prominent features is a Muslim Antichrist.

    Before I review the rather bizarre Muslim Antichrist Theory, I think it would be wise to present some background material about Islam. I have found that even those who have studied Islam rarely know anything about Islamic eschatology.

    Background Information About Islam

    The holiest book of Islam is the Qu’ran, which supposedly contains statements of the Islamic god, Allah, which were given to his prophet, Mohammad, by the Angel Gabriel.

    Mohammad was illiterate, so scribes wrote down what he said over a 23 year period of time, until his death in 632 AD. Much of the content of the Qu’ran was delivered to Mohammad while he was experiencing seizures that even his first wife considered to be demonic in nature. The scribes began compiling the Qu’ran shortly before Mohammad’s death. The Qu’ran is about the length of the New Testament.

    The second most sacred book of Islam is called the Hadith. It is mainly a collection of Mohammad’s sayings that were not considered to be revelations directly from Allah. The Hadith also contains stories about things Mohammad did.

    I think it is very important to note that the Hadith was compiled in the 9th Century, about two hundred years after the death of Mohammad. There were several compilations made during that time, but the most authoritative is considered to be the one by al-Bukhari. He collected a total of over 400,000 sayings of Mohammad and stories about him. These came from the writings of both friends and family members. Many came from Mohammad’s 15 wives. Al-Bukhari verified 7,000 as “genuine.” These became the al-Bukhari Hadith, one of several versions of the Hadith that have been produced by other compilers.

    Strangely, the Qu’ran contains very little prophecy about the end times. It mainly affirms that history will consummate with what’s called “the Hour.” This is when the resurrection and judgment will take place. So, the Hadith, containing hearsay statements by Mohammed, is the major source of Islamic eschatology.

    An Islamic Puzzle

    It is extremely difficult to piece together the Islamic concept of the end times. The information is greatly disjointed, being spread throughout the Hadith. Also, unlike Christian prophecy scholars, Islamic students of prophecy have not attempted to systematize their concepts into charts and diagrams which show how all the events are related to each other.

    The most helpful source I was able to discover was a book by Dr. Samuel Shahid called The Last Trumpet. He attempts to show that the major concepts of Islamic eschatology were borrowed from the Hebrew Scriptures, the Christian New Testament, and the concepts of Zoroastrianism. The author is the director of Islamic studies at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Ft. Worth, Texas.

    Dr. Shahid proves conclusively that Mohammad secured many of his ideas orally from Christians, Jews, and followers of Zoroastrianism. In the process he got many of the stories and principles confused. For example, the Hadith states that the mother of Jesus was Mary, the sister of Moses!

    Dr. Shahid also points out that the Hadith was compiled at a time when Islamic authorities knew much more about the Bible and Christian traditions and literature. Thus, many Hadith passages were manufactured and embellished and were heavily influenced by Christian sources.

    Complicating matters is the fact that Hadith passages concerning the end times are highly contradictory, and thus it is difficult to nail down a lot of specifics. Only a general outline of end time events can be compiled.

    The Islamic Signs of the Times

    One very interesting aspect of Islamic eschatology is that it presents signs of the times for people to watch for. Like Christianity, Islam teaches that only God knows the exact timing of end time events. But there are signs to watch for that will indicate the season of the end times, and these signs fall into two categories: major and minor.

    Most of the minor signs have to do with general trends in society. The major signs relate to specific prophesied events that will occur between the time of the appearance of the Antichrist and “the Hour” of resurrection and judgment. The listings of both the minor and major signs vary greatly.

    The Minor Signs

    Let me give you some examples of minor signs. As I do so, you will see how they mirror the signs prophesied in the Bible.

    An increase in ignorance concerning the fundamentals of the faith.
    Increasing instability of the faith (Muslims becoming Christians overnight).
    An increase in false prophets.
    An increase in apostasy (as evidenced by Muslims following false teachers).
    An increase in religious pretentiousness (as in the building of luxurious mosques).
    An acceptance of astrology.
    An increase in alcohol use and illicit sexual relations.
    An increase in natural calamities.
    An increase in political corruption.
    People longing for death (due to the increase in calamities and wickedness).
    Increasing paganism. (Muslims will increasingly follow the life-styles of non-Muslims.)
    An increase in war and civil wars (even wars among Muslims).
    There are many other minor signs that are peculiar to Islam, most of which are fantastical in nature. Here are some examples:

    Women will outnumber men by 50 to 1. (No reason is given, but it is likely due to the expectation of many jihad martyrs in the end times.)
    The Arabs must conquer Constantinople. (The city, now called Istanbul, was conquered by Muslims in the 15th Century, but not by Arabs.)
    A people will emerge who eat with their tongues like cows.
    Time will contract, with a year being like a month and a month like a week.
    Wild beasts will speak to men.
    The Euphrates River will uncover a mountain of gold.
    The Major Signs

    The major signs pointing to “the Hour” are all critical events that are part of the end time sequence of events, beginning with the appearance of the Antichrist. Muslim scholars generally do not try to present a strict chronological order of what is going to ultimately transpire, but the order presented below is representative:

    The appearance of the Antichrist, called the Dajjal.
    The rising of the Islamic Messiah, called the Mahdi.
    The Return of Jesus.
    The Reign of Jesus.
    The Day of Resurrection, called “The Hour.”
    The Day of Judgment.
    There are many other end time events mentioned in the Hadith, but these are the most important. Let’s look for a moment at each of these key events in their chronological order.

    End Time Specifics

    1) The Appearance of the Antichrist, called the Dajjal.
    He will be a Jew born in Iran to parents who have been childless for 30 years. He will have only one eye. He will claim to be a prophet, and then he will claim to be divine. He will deceive many by his godliness and his miracles. He will go forth with an army of 70,000 Jews and 70,000 Tartars, and he will conquer all the world except Mecca and Medina. His reign will last for 40 days during a time when one day will be like a year. Some passages of the Hadith indicate that he will have the word “Infidel” written on his forehead. His reign is characterized by cruelty and deceit. He has a militaristic mentality. His purpose is to be deified, worshiped, and to reign.

    2) The rising of the Islamic Messiah, called the Mahdi.
    He will be a descendant of Mohammed who will come on a white horse. He will deliver the world from the reign of the Dajjal. In the process he will conquer Israel and slaughter the Jews. He will establish a new Islamic world headquarters in Jerusalem, and he will rule for 7 years (and possibly 8 or 9 years, depending upon differing Hadith passages). His rule will end with his death.

    3) The Return of Jesus.
    It is not clear at what point in the career of the Mahdi Jesus will return. Some believe it will be as soon as the Mahdi is able to organize his Muslim army to oppose the Dajjal’s Jewish army. Jesus will return to the Mount of Olives and then head to Damascus where he will meet up with the Mahdi and submit himself to him as a subordinate. At some point in the Mahdi’s wars Jesus himself will be the one who will kill the Dajjal and see to the annihilation of the Jews. Jesus will then serve as an Islamic evangelist, proclaiming Islam as the one and only true religion, and he will establish Islamic Shariah law throughout the entire earth.

    4) The Reign of Jesus.
    Upon the death of the Mahdi, Jesus will assume control of the Islamic worldwide kingdom. He will reign for 40 years. He will be a just ruler. Every harmful beast will be domesticated. There will be abundant rain and plentiful harvests. All weapons of war will be converted into tools of agriculture, and there will be world wide peace. (All of this imagery is taken, of course, from the book of Isaiah.) Jesus will go to Mecca regularly to perform rituals of pilgrimage. Twenty-one years into His reign, He will marry and begat children. Nineteen years later He will die. He will be buried in Medina next to Mohammad where He will await the Day of Resurrection like all other humans who have died.

    5) The Day of Resurrection, called “The Hour.”
    There is only one resurrection in Islamic eschatology. The saved and the unsaved are resurrected at the same time. Mohammad will be the first human being to be resurrected. All those resurrected will be naked. Abraham will be the first person to be clothed by Allah. He will be seated facing Allah’s throne. Mohammad will then be clothed and will be seated at the right hand of Allah.

    6) The Day of Judgment.
    At this point Allah descends from Heaven to judge all humanity. Allah will weigh the good and bad deeds of each person. This is called the concept of “the Scale.” The deeds of all people will be weighed in Allah’s scales to determine their eternal destiny.

    Could the Muslim Mahdi be the Antichrist

    • Great summery! You left out the correct history of Allah, or the god of the Kabba. Why? There were 360 gods there until Mohammad made them worship only one.

      Islam, to submit, is a false religion misleading millions. I suspect, Lucifer will use the true followers of Mohammad to bring war everywhere. The lies the Koran has about Jesus, and what he will do in the end times points this direction.

      Sorry to see you leave Kittii.

  212. You all need to read Ellis Skolfield’s online book “The False Prophet” which details the many prophecies and dates in the Bible which pinpoint the year of the Abomination of Desolation, 1948 and 1967 as the prophecied years of the return of the Jews and the freeing of Jerusalem. Of course all in addition to the host of other fulfilled prophecies regarding Christ in Isaiah and other books of the Bible. Can any other religion match these already fulfilled prophecies? Also read Walid Shoebat’s book “God’s War on Terror” for how many other prophecies of the Bible are being fulfilled at this very time. One to be fulfilled is when the beast, the false prophet and those who worship the image of the beast are cast into the lake of fire. I just can’t imagine who these are, maybe someone can enlighten me.

  213. HP
    The muslims have copied alot from Christianity, only what they are saying is the antithesis of Christianity. The muslims will hand over their authority to the antichrist, and serve him.

  214. hi HP

    I noticed that you believe Jesus and Israel is the same person?

    some thought questions:

    If Israel was Jesus, why didn’t he have a ministry then, instead of waiting another 3000 years?

    Israel lied to steal his birthright from Esau. This does not seem like Jesus to lie. What do you think?

    thank you

  215. hi HP

    Remember, also, Israel lied to his father Isaac about who he was.

  216. dear HP

    I knew you would blame his mother. He was a grown man. Also, why would God choose a deceiver for a mother for Jesus?

  217. The Universal Church murdered Jews, and Christians that did not believe as they were told to.

    Christ is the word made flesh, not the renicarnation of several men, unless you can find that in the Bible. It will be a first.

  218. Well somebody is a MOMMAS BOY! LOL it was there….

  219. Hp, Actually Joseph was more like Jesus than Jacob, not to say I’m into this reincarnation thing. Both were loved by their father, betrayed by his “Brothers”, Sold for the price of slave, falsly accused, Exalted after suffering etc.

  220. HI HP,

    Here is a geneaology list that I thought would shed some light on what you are implying:

    The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000.

    The Gospel according to
    St. Matthew
    1

    The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
    Lk. 3.23-38
    1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
    2 ¶ Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judah and his brethren;
    3 and Judah begat Pharez and Zerah of Tamar; and Pharez begat Hezron; and Hezron begat Ram;
    4 and Ram begat Ammin’adab; and Ammin’adab begat Nahshon; and Nahshon begat Salmon;
    5 and Salmon begat Boaz of Rachab; and Boaz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
    6 and Jesse begat David the king.
    ¶ And David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Uri’ah;
    7 and Solomon begat Rehobo’am; and Rehobo’am begat Abi’jah; and Abi’jah begat Asa;
    8 and Asa begat Jehosh’aphat; and Jehosh’aphat begat Jeho’ram; and Jeho’ram begat Uzzi’ah;
    9 and Uzzi’ah begat Jotham; and Jotham begat Ahaz; and Ahaz begat Hezeki’ah;
    10 and Hezeki’ah begat Manas’seh; and Manas’seh begat Amon; and Amon begat Josi’ah;
    11 and Josi’ah begat Jeconi’ah and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon. 2 Kgs. 24.14, 15 · 2 Chr. 36.10 · Jer. 27.20
    12 ¶ And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconi’ah begat She-al’ti-el; and She-al’ti-el begat Zerub’babel;
    13 and Zerub’babel begat Abi’ud; and Abi’ud begat Eli’akim; and Eli’akim begat Azor;
    14 and Azor begat Zadok; and Zadok begat Achim; and Achim begat Eli’ud;
    15 and Eli’ud begat Ele-a’zar; and Ele-a’zar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
    16 and Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
    17 ¶ So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

    The Birth of Jesus Christ
    Lk. 2.1-7
    18 ¶ Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, Lk. 1.27 before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
    19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
    20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
    21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: Lk. 1.31 for he shall save his people from their sins. Ps. 130.8
    22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
    23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child,

    and shall bring forth a son,
    and they shall call his name Imman’u-el, Is. 7.14
    which being interpreted is, God with us.
    24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
    25 and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Lk. 2.21

    http://www.bartleby.com/108/40/1.html

  221. Hp
    Didn’t Jacob wrestle with Jesus(God in human form)? How would that fit in? I’m Not seeing two kings, Only one messiah filling two roles, one of high priest, and the other as King of the Jews.

    Speaking of the twelve tribes, Is their any tradition in your church to say you are amongst them? A “lost” tribe so to speak?

  222. hi Dru

    If Jesus was Jacob, then he would have done his Messianic mission during his life. Otherwise, he was just a man with a large family.
    Also, Jesus had a virgin birth. Jacob didn’t.

    What you are seeing is foreshadowing of prophecy. Some old testament figures foreshadowed Jesus in their lives, but they were not Jesus.

    The woman with 12 stars is Israel (Jacob). Mary did not have 12 sons. However, Mary was the channel by which Israel produced the birth of the child Jesus.

    I understand the importance of Jacob (Israel) and Mary in the lineage, but Jesus came as himself only once so far, in my position.

    This is not to say Jesus did not appear in the old testament. He is thought to be the angel of the Lord who at times delivered Daniel from the lions den, rescued the 3 Hebrews in the furnace, appeared to Moses in the burning bush, came to Abraham with 1 angels, appeared to Joshua at Jericho, talked to Gideon, etc. In this appearances, he was in his heavenly form only.

    • You should have addressed that comment to HP, as I was responding to her. Joseph actually foreshadowed Jesus life more than Jacob in my opinion. Just a thought.

  223. “Jesus is only God when the holy spirit and God goes into him = Trinity.”

    “,he would meet his 4 wifes and 12 sons…”

    HP what you have written is not Christianty. You might think it is, but it is something very different.

    Jesus is the word of G-d made flesh, he had no wifes, or sons.

  224. “Jesus has been here before.”

    Reincarnation is also not Christianty HP.

    I support your right to believe as you wish, but what you have been writing has nothing to do with any Christianty I have ever read about. Yet, you state I am not Christian.

    I find that strange, and out in left field. What is the name of the cult you belong to, so I can read about it.

    Thanks,

  225. Even the Pope does not believe what you have written regarding the trinity. You are in apostecy to the Pope. I think, perhaps, you have been swayed by the Muslims living in your country. The maronites I read about still held to the trinity, though they had a difference on how the divine and human were combined in the trinity. You have strayed far from those maronites, and in fact the catholic church.

  226. <>

    New International Version (©1984)
    Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

    1 John 5:6 This is the one who came by water and blood–Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.7For there are three that testify: 8thea Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9We accept man’s testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

  227. Hp
    The marriage of the Lamb, is a reference to the church, so yes in that respect Jesus will marry. Yes we all should make ourselves ready.
    Can you explain to me the difference your church and the Catholic church have regarding the divinity Of Christ? I read about it, but it seems so subtle, as to almost not be worth arguing about. I am also curious to know what implication this has in how you live your Christian life?

    I also asked you another question regarding the syrian aremaic church, Do you have any tradition in your church of being one of the tribes of Israel, and therefore partakers in the covenent?

  228. Hp
    I think using the word reincarnation is causing some confusion amongst the people here. I think you are referring to the incarnation of Christ. Reincarnation is a Hindu concept, where we never die but are reborn into a different person or beast depending on how “good” we lived our life. So when you say that Jesus was a reincarnation of Jacob, we are thinking in hindu terms.!

  229. hi HP

    I think I see the reason why you believe the way you do. You have a reincarnation based belief system.

    Jesus never existed on earth in the physical form of a human living out his life. He did come as a spirit a few times, but he did not incarnate.

    If you look closely at John 3, you will see that is is not a physical rebirth, but a spiritual one.

    Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    Jhn 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?

    Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

    Jhn 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    Also in Hebrews, it says that we only die once, indicating then that we can only live once.

    This refutes the doctrine of reincarnation, which holds that we are born, die and reborn repeatedly until we achieve perfection:

    Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

    WE have to realize, that on our own, we will never reach perfection.

    It is only through the atonement of Jesus on the cross, that we can be saved, and be “perfect enough” to be worthy of heaven.

    It is not our works, or our life, that has value. Even the most righteous person fails on a daily basis.

    It is the works of Jesus, while we repent of our sins, and accept his forgiveness, that merits heaven.

    Reincarnation is man’s attempt to endlessly be “reborn” until he achieves godhood. The bible says there is ONLY one God.

    The bride of Christ is the Church, or body of believers, not a single woman

    Rev 21:9 ¶ And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.

    Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

    Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.

    Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

    The true bride of Christ is the one covered by the blood of Jesus who gave his life for it.

    One day, He will come and call up his bride into heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb.

    This marriage will occur in heaven, not on earth. It is the marriage of Christ with his saints.

    Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

    Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

    Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

    Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    So, the only way to be “born again,” according to Jesus, is to be reborn spiritually.

    This involves casting away a life of sin, expressing true sorrow, and asking for forgiveness from God.

    Then we ask that the punishment we deserve for our sins be covered by the blood atonement Jesus made for our sins.

    Only the sacrifice of Jesus is acceptable to wipe away our sins, and make us perfect before God.

    Jesus did not die for any other reason than to save us and make us perfect before God.

    We cannot achieve this ourselves, because we are unable to present a sinless sacrifice, like Jesus did.

    I hope this is more clear now.

  230. dear HP

    Yes, it does say we die once.

    Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

    If you do not believe the bible, then you will have to call yourself something other than Christian.

    Jesus is not the reincarnation of a former deceased human.

    Jesus rose from the dead, and no other human has done that.

    Jesus is the son of God, and he said so.

    So if you do not believe him, then you are not part of the Christian community. You have a different religion.

    I respect your right to have your own beliefs, but it is important to properly define your faith.

    It seems to deny the divinity of Jesus, which is backed up by scripture.

    Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    Jhn 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    Personal opinion and private interpretation do not cancel the Word of God.

  231. HP
    I have to agree with Marianne, what you believe is not Christian.

    Jesus said he is the alpha and Omega. In Johns gospel when being questioned by the Pharisees, he said “before Abraham was (past tense) I Am” I Am Is the Literal translation of Yahweh, I Am that I AM. This proves that he was around in Abrahams time, As eternal and divine. When he Came to earth in the form Of Jesus, he took on the Human form (incarnate deity). HE lived a perfect sinless life that he might be the fulfillment of the sin offering Israelites had to make continually for forgiveness of sin. The sin offering was no longer required for those who repented and believed in the Lordship and Divinity of Christ. Christ’s sacrifice On the cross and his shed blood covered all sin, past present and future, and was sufficient to save us. This is why the trinity is so important to Christianity. For if Jesus was merely a man, he would have been born to sin. Thus he had to be divine from the moment of conception, and the beginning of time. But he was not born of the seed of man, but of Spirit, and therefore wholly divine. And as he had to limit himself to human form, he was fully human as well. When he stated on the cross “it is finished” he was refering to the sin offering. when he said “my God, My God; why hast thou forsaken me” he was referring to his separation from God when he took on the sins of all humans, and the punishment for those sins, namely death. He was God and was man, and died undeservedly for our sin. But he also arose the third day. Thus with that resurrection, we are shown that there is redemption for man.

    HP, for Christians, the trinity cannot be altered or compromised on, for if we do, there is no salvation, his sacrifice is cheapened and it opens the door to human merit as a requirement of salvation.

    The reason why I asked if you are of jewish descent, is that in Hosea 14:4 God promises to heal the apostacy of the jewish people in the end times. Many of the people of Jewish descent will be gathered from Assyria and Egypt and be brought back to their homeland. Since you claim you are not of this descent, then you need to examine the apostacy of your beliefs. Read the Word of God and you will see. Pray that the Lord will open your Eyes. Ephesians 2:8 says “For by grace you have been saved through faith. and this is not of your own doing; IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD.”

    I pray that you will repent and believe and join us as we wait for his second coming.

  232. Hi HP,

    Jesus tells us that when we see him that we also see the Father-G-d.

    John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

    8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

    9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

  233. yes. HP. but look at how many times Hebrews 9:27 says we die – once! :)

    we die only once

    we die only once

    we die only once

    therefore we live only once.

    therefore we live only once.

    therefore we live only once.

    understand? :)

  234. Hi HP,

    We-true christians/children of G-d believe firmly that the Holy Bible is the Final Authority. We believe that the Holy Scriptures are the inerrant Word of G-d and Holy Spirit inspired. We hold fast to the these words and only utilize outside sources as opinion only and will consider outside opinions IF they allign perfectly with the Holy Bible.

    Man’s testimony and interpretation is flawed. G-d’s Words are without error-they are perfect-they are TRUTH.

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    New International Version

    Faith in the Son of God

    1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

    6This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7For there are three that testify: 8thea Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

    9We accept man’s testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.

    11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
    :)

  235. hp

    Yes, it does say we die once.

    Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

    Notice it does not say we die multiple times and we get reborn multiple times. That is what once means. And we gt judged once. Then it is over. No where in the bible does it say we come back in multiple lives.

  236. HP

    You certainly have different ideas. I do not think further discussion will change anyone’s mind. Do you?

    What do you think of the mahdi? Do you have any opinion of who he could be?

  237. Well then, prepare to be shocked :)

  238. Mahdi and Jesus are two different guy. Jesus will come after 7 years of Mahdi’s arrival. Dajjal(beast) will raise from Israel and will have 70000 jews followers. The beast will come to everyone, even you and me to believe him as a God. Only Mecca and Madina will be safe from the Beast. Mahdi is a Imam and he will come to unite people against Dajjal(beast). He will stay for 7 years and then Jesus will come to kill the Beaast.

    many Muslims, Christians, Jews……….will leave their religion only for the Beast.

  239. hi HP

    I think we should just focus on Jesus, and be blessed in his name.

  240. Hi HP,

    You wrote “You will be locked in empty rooms in heaven forever and ever. That is your eternal life.”

    Jesus tells us that in His Father’s house are many mansions…

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    King James Version
    1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    So, I’ll be more then happy to go where ever Jesus goes and where He has prepared a place for me ;)

  241. HP,

    According to what you have written, “Our church knows that Jesus will be born, grow up, be old and die. Over and over again. Forever and ever. Here on Earth.”, then you are implying that Jesus must be crucified over and over and over during each life He lives. Does this sound right to you?

    When Jesus was on the cross He stated “IT IS FINISHED”. He had accomplished what He come to do. 3 days later He was literally raised from the dead and spent 40 days with the disciples.

    After the 40 days, Jesus ascended into the heavens right before their very eyes. The angels stated that in the same way that Jesus ascended is the same way in which Jesus will return. So, that pretty much clarifies that Jesus is not going to be reincarnated….not being born again of a virgin and repeating the whole thing over and over and over.

    Acts 1:11″Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

  242. hi HP

    You are welcome to discuss your thoughts here, or in an email to me.

    The book of Revelation is a very mysterious and interesting book. There are many opinions as to what it means.

    The book says it is a blessing to study it, which is why God left much of it a mystery.

    • I see words illuminating.
      Shining to my mind’s eye.
      I feel hunger reaching.
      Eliminated as your words subside.
      Do I even hear you?
      Those movements of your tongue from lips unspoken of heresy
      is a miraculous giving of a spirit unknown.
      When there is nothing else, but the occult.
      I will not swear but I do.
      For the love in those eyes.
      So speak not of heresy, but shine our lives with words of wonder.
      Love,kindness and patience for all eyes.
      But one.

  243. Where are you from Marianne? :D

  244. Marianne, Lindsey
    See here it is again. 2018,2019. Mahdi appears Supposedly. 7 year rule with False messiah/ac. Too many coincidences, No???

  245. So I’ve just starting researching this. I thought it would be straight foreword looking up dates of Ramadan & solar/lunar eclipses, but it turns out that the Islamic calender, and the starting date of Ramadan has several different interpretations and past revisions. So it’s actually alot of work and may not be possible due to the revisions early on in the religion.

    But being a prophet can we say Mohamed would take into account these revisions (accepted by modern Muslims), or would it be based on his divined system that others corrupted?

    Something interesting to note- The “Islamic Spring” sweeping the middle east. Interesting enough the black standard is also waved by anarchists. Wouldn’t it be interesting if they are one in the same ‘army’

  246. Muhammad couldn’t read.

    Anarchists do not believe in any type of government. Muslims love them some Islamic law. Like beheadings, and stonings.

    Islamic spring = Muslims murdering Muslims. It’s what the religion of peace is really about.

  247. The 12th Imam Mahdi (the Saviour) will be Al Khdir/Elia – Also knowed as ‘The Green Man’ or Sanat Kumara/Karttikeya. Everybody is waiting for the same ‘guy’ – the Beloved ONE – The Next Adam Kadmon – The Future Seed. As you know the number of Sanat Kumara (the present Magister Templi) is 888. When we will ‘shift’ Ying/Yang – two ‘bodies’ will disappear completely (8 – 8 = 0). Those two ‘bodies’ will be The Islamitic and The Jewish Religion. The Islamitic Religion embodies the ‘Rudra’-function of Shiva. Anyhow, the Real Thing won’t be WW3 but the coming of the Planet Wormwood. The Apocalypse will eliminate all the sick-minded people on this Planet and won’t look at Religion at all. This is called NATURAL SELECTION. Just like the beasts in the forest have natural enemies to keep the population strong and fertile – Humans also have a Natural Enemy allowed to kill the Weak/Sick part of the ‘herd’ to create space, food and future for the ‘chosen ones’. The Natural Selector of Mankind is called ‘Shaytan’ or Melek Taus. Everything will flow naturally – the fortold end of times and the resurrection are manifestations of Mother Nature. No-one and No-thing can stop this mechanism. It’s already going on. Allah knows best.

  248. According to all Muslims, no one knows when the Mahdi (pbuh) will come. There is no date that is specified for his return. There are signs for the final battle, as can be seen in all religious texts.
    Muslims, whether Sunni or Shia, all believe that the Mahdi (pbuh) will come back to fight Tyranny and later the messiah Jesus (pbuh) will return and join forces with the Mahdi (pbuh) to battle the evil anti-christ (masih al-dajjal “false messiah”).
    Now, the difference between the Sunni and Shia version of the Mahdi (pbuh) is that Sunnis believe he has not been born yet. Shias believe that he was born in 869 C.E. and went into “occultation” and has been living in occultation for all this time.
    I do not see why several people here have been talking about a “well”, there is no mention of any well whatsoever.
    Also, the Shia believe that the anti-christ will be with the Sufyani (an evil beast that tears newborns from their mother’s wombs) and terrorize the entire world.
    Mahdi (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) will destroy all evil and establish a holy kingdom that is full of justice, peace, and tranquility.
    To the Christians, I ask that all of you stop listening to the manipulation of Church authorities that have changed the Bible, inserting sentences and changing the words of the scriptures. A proof is the Codex Sinaiticus that they uncovered and put online, the oldest copy of the Bible written in Greek, where it is evident that comparing it to the Bible today has significant differences. The Bible has multiple versions and editions, it has been “corrupted” by men.
    As for Jews, they have decided to rely heavily on the Talmud (a text that states that child molestation is not punishable) that contradicts the Torah.
    Leatherneck, open your eyes to the “truth”, you have been manipulated by the ideologies of the Church. It has created you into a racist blasphemer that insults the messengers of the Creator.
    Any Muslim that has posted on this article that criticizes Shias or Sunnis has created dissension among the community. Dissension is a grave sin. All Muslims are brothers and sisters, and when you criticize one group you support division in the community.
    The Muslim community was supposed to be united and Muslims today are insulting and creating animosity between the believers.
    The 12th Imam Mahdi (pbuh) will come to fight the forces of evil and Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will join the Mahdi (pbuh) and together they will restore peace and justice to the world.

    • Racist? How can I be a racist when Islam is a religion/political system? You are not very bright, are you?

      Muhammad was a murderer, and rapist. That is what Islam follows. Also, Allah does not exist. Islam has denied Christ died on a cross for all mankind’s sin, Therefore, accept the penalty for your hate for the word of G-d.

      The 12th Imam does not exist either.

      A correct history book is all one needs to understand the truth about Islam.

      Remember, this is a Christian website. We do not follow the moon god Sin, known as Allah, or follow a human who murdered, and raped called Muhammad.

      Have a good day,

      L.

  249. What kind of lies do you listen to? (Leatherneck)
    Your hate of Islam and the last Prophet blind you to the truth.

    Read John 16: 7-15
    Jesus (peace be upon him) clearly foretells the Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) coming.

    7 Still, I am telling you the truth: it is for your own good that I am going, because unless I go, the Paraclete will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
    8 And when he comes, he will show the world how wrong it was, about sin, and about who was in the right, and about judgement:
    9 about sin: in that they refuse to believe in me;
    10 about who was in the right: in that I am going to the Father and you will see me no more;
    11 about judgement: in that the prince of this world is already condemned.
    12 I still have many things to say to you but they would be too much for you to bear now.
    13 However, when the Spirit of truth comes he will lead you to the complete truth, since he will not be speaking of his own accord, but will say only what he has been told; and he will reveal to you the things to come.
    14 He will glorify me, since all he reveals to you will be taken from what is mine.
    15 Everything the Father has is mine; that is why I said: all he reveals to you will be taken from what is mine.

    The word Paraclyte in Aramaic translates as “Ahmad” another name for Muhammad (SAW).

    Christians are so manipulated by their priests, pastors, and other Church authorities that they fail to see the truth.

    Islam, like Christianity and Judaism, allows for self-defense. Tell me Leatherneck, if a person breaks into your house and tries to kill you or your family, what are you going to do? Will you let yourself be killed? Will you let your family be slaughtered?

    Allah the almight God does exist. He has many names, Zoroastrians call him “Ahura Mazda”, Jews call him “Yaweh”, and Christians call him “the Father”. Yes, this is who Jesus (peace be upon him) prayed to, Allah gave Jesus (peace be upon him) the power to cure the blind, raise the dead, walk on water, multiply bread and fish, etc.

    You must not be the bright one, where in the entire bible does it say Jesus calls himself God? You won’t find one phrase in the Bible like that. Why do you Christians try to make a Prophet God? Why do you Christians not learn how to use the logic that God gave you? You let others interpret the Bible for you.

    I suggest you speak to real Muslims and ask them about the good deeds of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).

    I used to be a former Catholic, but I woke up. God led me to the right path of Islam. Before, I used to be like all the other Christians, blindly believing everything that the Pope, a priest, and other Christians said. I used to believe what humans say.
    Thank God that I woke up, I have so much to thank God for leading me to the right path. My life has become much happier and better ever since I converted (in reality REVERTED since we are all born as one who submits to the will of God “Muslim”)

    I suggest you do a study about world religions and see what Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have in common.

    A history textbook doesn’t help you understand the essence of a religion.

    • Jespana
      I have done that study in my class on world religions. The one thing all false religions agree on is that Jesus is not Divine nor a part of the holy Trinity. Now as a former catholic, you should know about the trinity? So I will not go into the biblical proof for the trinity/ divinity of Christ. If you have not heard the proof for it, just ask and I will furnish it for you.

      Unfortunately, you were not exposed to true Christianity as a member of the Catholic church. It is just another corrupted state religion similar to Islam. Christianity is not based on “what humans say”, but is based on what God says, Through the Word of God (Bible) and the “comforter,or Helper” which John talks of in the verses you quoted above. The Helper, is the Holy Spirit which is also a part of the trinity, therefore, God with us. I know this is true for He resides in me.

      Your religion is based on the words of a dead human, my faith is based on the words of a Risen saviour. My faith is based on the shed blood of a righteous sacrifice, therefore, a sacrifice wholly sufficient to forgive all our sins. Yours does not. Mine teaches us to love our enemies, yours teaches hatred of them. Your religion converts followers by sword and force, Christianity by acceptance of God’s Gift. Christians “work” towards a heavenly kingdom that is “not of this world”, Islam is all about building a kingdom of this world. Muslims pray to Allah five times a day, Christians “walk and talk” with God All day. Christians “turn the other cheek” when persecuted, Muslims seek revenge….

      So yes alot of religions have alot in common, but it is Christianity that is far different than all the world religions. Perhaps your study should focus on this. Then perhaps you will see the “essense” of True Christianity.

    • hi Jespana

      The paraclete (comforter) that was promised was the holy spirit, not a mere man.

      If you look at verse 13, which you quoted, you will see Jesus has identified the Paraclete as the holy spirit.

      If you read Matt 3:11, and Matt 24:36 and Acts 2;1-4, you will see that the holy spirit did come, and the apostles were baptized with the holy spirit and power, so they could do the Lord’s work.

      This post should explain this:

      http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/why-mohammed-was-not-the-comforter-promised-by-jesus/

      They were to wait for the comforter, who would give them power from on high.

      Muhammed never comforted the apostles.

      He lived over 500 years later, and they never met.

      I can understand why a catholic would be weak enough to convert to Islam.

      Catholics are not taught the bible, and so they are ignorant , and cannot explain or even understand their faith. This is their church’s fault.

      I suggest you get a bible and start reading for yourself.

      First you had the catholic church keep you ignorant. Now you have Islam doing the same thing to you.

      Muhammed will not save you in the days to come.

      Believing Jesus is only a prophet, and not the son of God, will not save you either. That is a false teaching.

      Unless you believe that Jesus is who He said he was, you will not have the protection in the days ahead, and you will suffer not just physically, but also the loss of your soul.

  250. Muslims: The Noble Qur’an—Surah 4:158
    Allah raised him[Isa(Jesus)] up unto Himself (he is in the heaven); and Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.

    Christians : The Holy Bible LUKE 24:50
    Jesus led his disciples out to Bethany, where he raised his hands and blessed them. As he was doing this, he left and was taken up to Heaven.
    ———————————————————–
    In Islam & Christianity common belief are:
    1. Allah (GOD) is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.
    (Muslims’ Allah and God of Christian is one and same God)
    God has created earth, plants, animals and finally the Human Beings.
    God has freed slaves in Egypt and sent them to Israel.
    2. Jesus (Muslims called as Isa) came to this world nearly 2010 years ago.
    3. Jesus (Isa) is in the heaven now.
    4. Jesus (Isa) will descend at the appointed time.(Second Coming OF Jesus).

  251. Allah raised him[Isa(Jesus)] up unto Himself (The Noble Qur’an—Surah 4:158)
    ???
    Allah raised him[Isa(Jesus)] up unto Himself ???

    raised Isa up unto Himself ???

    Himself ????

    You can think about this technology. Allah has given examples.
    1.Water > Ice > Vapour ( same but 3 types) : Holy Trinity
    2.Clone

    Different Religions, Different Flowers, Different human beings

    Everything created by Allah(GOD)

    Arguments useless.

  252. dru2
    I know about the trinity, now give me a verse where Jesus (peace be upon him) teaches about the trinity? Give me a verse where he says to pray about the trinity? Can’t find one? Jesus (peace be upon him) taught the believers the Lord’s Prayer, “Our Father, who art in heaven…..”
    Where do you see any mention of the trinity?
    The trinity was made up by men, in particular a certain person who persecuted Christians before he himself became a Christian.

    Watch these videos about the trinity, complete with passages:

    God the almighty gave power to Jesus (peace be upon him) to perform the miracles he did.

    If you ask any theologian, they will say that most early Christians believe the Paraclyte to be a “MAN” and not a “GHOST”.
    Why does Jesus (peace be upon him) refer to the Paraclyte in terms of “he” in John 16:7-15? Because the Paraclyte was a MAN and not some GHOST.

    Do you know how many contradictions are written in the Bible?
    Have you heard of the Codex Sinaiticus? the oldest Bible ever written in Greek? There are significant differences between that version and most Bibles today.

    Men put “innovations” into Christianity.

    Why does it specifically prohibit the eating of pork in the Bible (Old Testament) and nevertheless Christians eat pork today?

    “And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth
    not the cud; he is unclean to you”.
    “Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
    they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8]
    Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
    “And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
    it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their
    dead carcass.” [Deuteronomy 14:8]
    A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.
    Do you know how many diseases Pork causes? 70 different types of diseases.

    It even says Jesus (pbuh) was saved from death in the Bible.

    I suggest you watch these two videos that tell the story about Jesus (pbuh) in the Qu’ran:


    http://youtu.be/iUFy-FLjb3o

    You make the same mistake that every other criticizer of Islam says, that it was spread violently. This is false, did I not tell you that self-defense is permissible in all religions?
    Watch this to know what Islam teaches:

    I call all to embrace the pure monotheistic faith.

    • hi jespana

      The book of John which you quoted earlier deals extensively with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Trinity just means “3.”

      I found over 50 references to this in this one book alone. I suggest you read the Book of John and see if you can find these verses also.

  253. Marianne,
    It seems that you should do more research on what Islam is.

    In the Gospel according to John (Chapters 14, 15, 16) Jesus spoke of the “Paraclete” or comforter who will come after him, who will be sent by Father as another Paraclete, who will teach new things which the contemporaries of Jesus could not bear. While the Paraclete is described as the spirit of truth, (whose meaning resemble Muhammad’s famous title Al-Amin, the trustworthy), he is identified in one verse as the Holy Ghost (John 14:26). Such a designation is however inconsistent with the profile of that Paraclete. In the words of the Dictionary of the Bible, (Ed. J. Mackenzie) ” These items, it must be admitted do not give an entirely coherent picture.”

    Indeed history tells us that many early Christians understood the Paraclete to be a man and not a spirit. This might explain the followings who responded to some who claimed, without meeting the criteria stipulated by Jesus, to be the awaited “Paraclete”.

    It was Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) who as the Paraclete, comforter, helper, admonisher sent by God after Jesus. He testified of Jesus, taught new things which could not be borne at Jesus’ time, he spoke what he heard (revelation), he dwells with the believers (through his well-preserved teachings). Such teachings will remain forever because he was the last messenger of God, the only Universal Messenger to unite the whole of humanity under God and on the path of PRESERVED truth. He told of many things to come which “came to pass” in the minutest detail meeting, the criterion given by Moses to distinguish between the true prophet and the false prophets (Deuteronomy 18:22). He did reprove the world of sin, of righteousness and of judgment (John 16:8-11).

    God is the only one who can save you. He sent his messengers (Prophets) to guide people to the truth.
    Marianne, it is you and other Christians who will see when Jesus (pbuh) comes again the 2nd coming of the messiah. He will come down and destroy the cross and swine.
    He will lead all believers to submit to the will of God (Islam) this is the literal meaning of Islam (Submission to the will of GOD).

    The Jews crucified another man, some say it was Judas others say it was a disciple of Jesus (pbuh) that was made by God to look entirely like Jesus (pbuh).

    Furthermore, as I said in my last post, Jesus (pbuh) was saved by God.
    Watch this video:

    Muhammad (pbuh) never lied. And any scholar today will tell you that he did not lie.

    Furthermore, we Muslims perform the ACTION of salat (prayer) five times a day, but we also are allowed to pray (mentally or physically) many MORE times.
    GOOD Muslims LIVE the WORD. LIVE ISLAM every DAY.

    I urge our Christian brothers and sisters to stop listening to those who want to divide the people of the book (Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians, and Muslims).

    The Qur’an is the only book to not have been manipulated by men.

    • jespana

      I know a lot about what Islam is. Muhammed was a false teacher and not a comforter. He was a warlord, not a man of peace, and married a child. This is perversion, and an abomination to God. He also distorted the bible because he never read it himself, being illiterate, and never knew what it said to begin with. He went by second hand information he got from others. Maybe it was truth to him, but it is not the truth of God.

      Muslims can pray 100 times a day, and it will not save them.

      Islam rejects the Word of God, and so there is really no way to communicate until it stops doing this.

      Jesus clearly said the paraclete was a spirit, and you reject this. So as much as you claim to honor Jesus, you make him to be a liar, by denying what he said.

      The bible is a tested instrument of truth, and not manipulated as Islam claims. That is a false claim to make Islam superior when it isn’t.

      I understand you are convinced you are right. But I know my bible, and I will not deviate from the truth, and submit to false claims, just because someone else is deceived and believes something else. No amount of force, persuasion, or talk will have me reject the truth of God.

  254. You are truly ignorant then.
    Marianne, you cannot even prove your points with facts. Use logos instead of baseless claims.

    I ask that the Creator forgive you for insulting his last Prophet (pbuh).

    Perversion is what your pastors and priests molesting children do. Perversion is what the Crusaders did when they entered the holy land.
    Perversion is what Ratko Mladic- Christian that killed many Bosnians
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratko_Mladi%C4%87
    Perversion is what Hitler (A Christian) did to the 6 million Jews killed in World War II.
    Perversion is idolatry.

    You have no idea what Islam is, the right path, the truth.
    Jesus (peace be upon him) is the spirit and word of Allah SWT.

    The Bible is full of contradictions and misleads many men and women.

    Christians commit idolatry when they bow down, kneel, or kiss the wooden and stone sculptures of who they believe is Jesus. You kiss the cross, a piece of wood.

    The Prophets from Adam (peace be upon him) to Muhammad (peace be upon him) destroyed idols that men kneel, bow, and kiss.

    Did not Moses (peace be upon him) when he came down from Mt. Sinai witness his people worshipping a golden calf (idol)? Christians do the same by worshipping a Prophet, in which they make stone sculptures and images of.

    God told Moses (peace be upon him) to NOT MAKE IMAGES OF ME. Yet Christians make images of who they think is God the whole time.
    Why do you people worship a man that God gave powers to?
    A Prophet who told you to not worship images or stone sculptures.

    Jesus (peace be upon him) will come again and destroy the cross and swine.
    Those who did not believe him and his teachings (Christians today) will come to believe in Jesus (peace be upon him).

    The word and spirit of God has not told you people to worship him.
    He told you to worship the UNIQUE GOD.

    Answer me this question Marianne,
    CAN YOU BREAK DOWN INFINITY?

    By saying that you believe the trinity you are saying that you can break down infinity, which you can’t.

    Christians limit God to three persons in a trinity.
    So, you are limiting the infinite God into parts.

    How misled are you.

    You cannot know the essence of God.
    God is the almighty, just, good, peaceful, the best thing in this universe, but God is soooo much MORE than that.

    God has given you a brain to think.
    Why can’t you accept that the Bible has many versions, edits, insertions, etc. And that people have corrupted the book?

    I pray for all my Christian brothers and sisters to see the truth.

    • jespana

      No one is trying to break down infinity. Islam does not understand the bible so it rejects it.

      That is a lie, that the bible has many versions that do not agree, and are corrupt. Different translations all say the same thing. Some are in “old english, ” some are in new english. The meaning is the same, just as you would write your comment in french, or spanish or arabic. It does not matter, the meaning is the same.

      You have never read he bible. You copy arguments from somewhere written by those who carefully delete what they do not believe, giving a biased argument.

      I do not worship images or statues. Muslims treat Muhammed as equal to God, as they treat him with the same reverence.

      You have rejected the Word of God, so it is useless to argue with you. YOur mind is closed.

      I gave you proof and you rejected it.

      The bible verses I told you to look up ARE facts.

      history backs up these facts from the bible.

      yes, Hilter was perverted. WIth the help of Muslims, he exterminated 6 million Jews. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his muslim were greatly involved with this.

      Muhammed was not a prophet of God. He was a self appointed, or false prophet.

      Your “scholars” are brainwashing you. You act like sponges and just believe what you are told. No intelligent questioning of what you are taught.

    • ps.

      You and I will never agree. I wish you well.

  255. Marianne,
    I have read the Bible. I have attended Church and read several scriptures.
    You Christians try to limit God to three divine, distinct, persons.
    You try to limit the infinite, omniscient, all-knowing Creator.

    Read the Codex Sinaiticus, the oldest Bible. You will see the differences. There is a King James version of the Bible, there is a NIV of the Bible, so many editions.

    I do not copy arguments. I use logos (logic) to assist in my arguments.

    Muslims DO NOT TREAT Muhammad (SAW) as equal to God. One of the prayers we recite in salat is:

    “In the Name of Allah, the most Compassionate, the Merciful Say He is God, the One, the Unique. God the Changeless, the Independent. He begets not, Nor is He Begotten. And there is no one equal to Him.”

    THERE IS NO EQUAL TO HIM

    Oh yes you really have done your research on Islam. You have much to learn about Islam and tolerance to other people’s faiths and beliefs.

    The Bible was written by people “inspired” by God.

    Qur’an on the other hand was “REVEALED” to the last messenger of God.
    As it says in John 16 “… since he will not be speaking of his own accord, but will say only what he has been told; and he will reveal to you the things to come.” This describes the last Prophet who recited what was TOLD to him.

    I have one of the most open minds in the world. Just because I have an OPEN MIND does NOT mean I have to AGREE WITH YOU.

    How was Hitler helped by the Muslims? that’s a ridiculous statement.

    My Scholars do not brainwash me. I have not even spoken with a scholar about Islam. I did a study myself. I read passages from the Avesta (Zoroastrian holy book), Torah, Bible, and Qu’ran.

    My proof are the videos I show you which take passages from the Bible, I have quoted a passage of the Bible, and in fact if you want to put history into the blend, why is it that you Christians use the term “Pharaoh” to describe the ruler of Egypt during Prophet Joseph’s (peace be upon him) time?

    In the Qur’an, sura Yusuf (Joseph) describes the ruler of Egypt as “King of Egypt” not “Pharoah”.
    History confirms this as the term “Pharaoh” was not used until the rule of Thutmose III. Thutmose III came into power twenty-one years after Prophet Joseph (peace be upon him) died.

    I pray to God that you may see the truth.
    He guides those he wishes to guide.

    • You have never read the bible. If you had, you would not say such things.

      There is only one God.

      john 17 – prayer and words of Jesus to the Father

      v3 And this is eternal life., that they may know you, the only one ture God, and Jesus Christ, who You have sent.

      v5 And now, Father, glorify me together with yourself,, with the glory which I had with you before the world was.

      The Father carries the official title of God.

      Jesus is the son of God, and was with God in eternity before the world was ever created. This gives him a divine nature.

      Both the holy spirit and Jesus proceed, in the same substance and glory, from the Father.

      this makes them “one” in spirit.

      Muhammed was never with the Father in heaven from before the creation of he world, as Jesus was.

      he was a mere mortal man.

      He was not the son of God as Jesus was.

      v 20 -21

      I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in me though thier word.

      that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You,. that they also may be One in US, that the world may believe that you sent me.

      If you had read the bible as you claimed, you would have known this.

      Jesus and the Father are ONE in each other. That means they are united in spirit. They are different persons.

      but to deny that Jesus is the son of God ( NO_ God does not need a wife) is to deny the Father as well.

      since muslims deny that Jesus is the son of God, then they deny the Father who sent him.

      you need to google Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Muslims and Hilter…….it is a matter of history now….there were whole brigades of Muslims ther to help the Nazis.

      • To All,

        What we are witnessing here is nothing less than the ongoing fulfillment of Matthew 24: 3-5, a sign of the end of Days!

        Matthew 24:3-5
        American Standard Version (ASV)

        3 And as he sat on the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
        4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man lead you astray.
        5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and shall lead many astray.

        We have been taught that this passage of scripture is talking about many coming and saying that they are the Christ and leading many astray. Let’s remove the comma after the word “name” and read it again. Look at this scripture as saying “For many shall come in my name saying I am the Christ (Yahshua-Jesus), and shall lead many astray. What this verse is saying is that many will come and say that the Messiah is Yahshua, but the message is from HaSatan and will lead many astray. If you will notice, the Muslims acknowledge that Yahshua is the Messiah and is coming again and that Joseph is a Prophet. But they recognize Allah (the curse) as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Both Isaac and Ishmael are from Abraham, with Ishmael being the first born of man, but Isaac being the first born of Yah. Cain, Ishmael, and Esau are of the seed of the serpent and their god is Allah (the serpent). Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are of the seed of the woman and YHWH is their God. There is no reason to argue with the Muslims that come on the site to proselytize. Pray for them and leave it in the hands of Yah.

        The problem is the Church has given them a lot of ammunition to use against us. What they say about the Crusades, the hostility and violence of the Church against the Jews, and of not keeping the Commandments of our own scriptures, is true. It is just sad that it has to come from the mouth of the adversary. But these are the days of restoration. It is this generation, the last one that will see the restoration of all things. Yah will see to it, but it is our place to leave the false teachings we have labored under and be a part of that Restoration. These sons of Abraham see us as infidels and will be fully willing to kill all who do not submit to Allah. None of this is loose talk. It is very real and what lies ahead of us.

        Be prepared my brothers and sisters!!!!!!!!

        As a side note, Matthew does talk about false messiahs and prophets but that is in chapter 24 verse 24. It states false messiahs and prophets.

        • ashupert2 I take it that you are a Jewish right?

          It is wrong what you say about Allah being the curse. You have insulted Prophet Ishmael (peace be upon him) the first son of Abraham (peace be upon him). Yaweh said that he would also give Ishamel (peace be upon him) a large nation. This is the Muslim nation. Muslims are for peace Jewish brother. Do not let the lies of the media steroetype Muslims as people who want to blow themselves up, this is false.

          No one here is trying to proselytize here.
          Muslims simply want respect. That you stop insulting Allah, the last Prophet (SAW), and Islam.
          If you argue a position, do not insult the other person’s God, Prophet, or religion.
          You like many are being influenced by what the media announces. The people who commit those acts are led by Shaitan (Satan) and are not true believers of Islam. They are infidels that disobey God and give people a bad image of Islam.

          brother, the last Prophet (pbuh) never claimed to be Christ or anything like Christ.
          The last Prophet (pbuh) came to guide the polytheists to the truth. To accept Yaweh, Ahura Mazda, the Father, Allah, so many names and titles does the Creator have.

          I pray for you brother that you may respect the messengers and Prophets of Yaweh, and respect Yaweh too.

          • dear jespana

            We understand what you believe.

            But you also have to understand that we, as Christians, want others to respect Jesus for who he said he was and what he taught.

            Muslims deny who Jesus is, as if Jesus lied about it, and deny what he taught. So, using your terminology, you are insulting Jesus.

            • I am not insulting the word and spirit of God Prophet Jesus (pbuh).
              Why can you not respect our point of view?
              We only believe in what he said and his teachings.
              Jesus (pbuh) never said he was God. He never said to worship the trinity. He never said to use the cross as a symbol of worshipping God.
              What you want to do is change the way I think.
              God gave us free will to believe in what we want to.
              You want to manipulate me and make me believe what you believe.
              It doesn’t work that way Marianne.
              A true Muslim does not behead Christians or Jews.
              You guys are people of the book, we cannot differentiate between you people, we must also treat you with as much respect as we treat ourselves.
              I wish peace to be with you. I am not insulting Jesus (pbuh).
              We both have different points of view on how we see Jesus (pbuh).
              I believe we should mutually respect each other’s point of view,
              even if we do not agree with each other.
              I would appreciate if you stop insulting God, the last Prophet, Islam, and the Mahdi (pbuh).

              • jespana

                I can respect your point of view but not agree with it.

                True Muslims do behead Christians.

                While you feel you are not insulting Jesus, this is what you are doing if you contradict what he said about himself.

                Jesus called himself both the son of man, and also the son of God. He repeatedly explained the relationship of the Father son and holy spirit.

                What caused confusion is the catholic church, which did a terrible job of explaining this relationship to people.

                I have not insulted God. And to say Muhammed is not a true prophet may seem like an insult, it is a legitimate point of view, backed up with history and reasoning and scripture.

                I have no desire to manipulate you. You can believe what you choose.

                People here debate and argue, and I permit it, because I prefer that all viewpoints have the freedom to be expressed.

                I can agree with you on one point. The trinity – which just means “3″ is not equal – Jesus said so. the catholic church got it wrong. however, the father, son and holy spirit relationship is well established in scripture.

                see here
                http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/is-the-trinity-equal/

                also what IS the relationship of Jesus with the Father? take a look at this:

                http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/jesus-and-his-relationship-with-the-father-god/

              • Jespana
                If your People are all about “respecting the people of the book”, then why are coptic Christians in Egypt being persecuted and killed?

                Or what about the persecutions in the Sudan, Ethiopia, and other parts of Africa? Or what about the attacks on Israel. Three times there have been major wars pitting Muslim nations against Israel. Not to mention all the other attacks via rockets, etc. You muslims say one thing, and then act totally differently. This “hypocracy” is encouraged by Mohammad and the quran.

                If you want us to respect you, then tell your leaders to stop the persecution. And then tell them that Jesus commanded us to Love our enemies. Then tell them to repent for murdering the Jewish people throughout the years. Then you will see that Islam is not a religion of peace, for then you will be persecuted. I am sorry, but the EVIDENCE against Islam far OUTWEIGHS any of the words you may say to deceive people into becoming Muslims.

                There is no debating you, for you make up lies to prove your point.
                Your you tube videos are the propaganda of your state religion.

                I tried to “open your mind” to the fact that there is a difference between “True christianity” and Catholocism, yet you continued to say that Christians are all about “kissing crosses.” I have never owned a cross, rosary beads, or shrine set up for the virgin Mary. Those things are an abomination to God, and a form of Idolotry. True Christians have the Holy Spirit “IN THEM”, therefore any attempt to argue that when John spoke of the comforter, he was talking about mohammad, is useless.

                In 1 John 4, John, The same one who wrote the gospel, tells Christians to “Test the spirits to see if they are from God” one of the tests, that he points out is that if that spirit is from God, they will not deny the divinity of Jesus. Your religion, Your prophet, and Your imams all deny this, as do you. The Prophet Isaiah wrote down the words of God as follows: ” I am the Lord (YAHWEH), that is my name; MY GLORY I GIVE TO NO OTHER, Nor my Praise to carved idols.” (Isaiah 42:8) Yet Jesus himself says “Now is the Son of Man (Jesus) GLORIFIED, and GOD IS GLORIFIED IN HIM. 32. If God is glorified IN HIM, God will also glorify Him IN HIMSELF, and GLORIFY HIM at once.” (John 13:31-32) If as you say, Jesus is not God (trinity/divinity) Then Jesus is Contradicting the Words of God himself. If God Cannot give his Glory to another, and he is Giving his glory to Jesus, then, Jesus is God! If you truly have an open mind, you will see that this contradiction cannot be accounted for by muslim belief. So they either have to alter or delete or propagandise you to the meaning of these words. Remember these are the words of God an Jesus directly!

                Your religion, therefore, is a false religion led by a false prophet and false teachers. If there is any inkling of an “open mind” you will come out from the religion of the serpent, and search and find the “only way” that leads to the one “TRUE GOD”

                I also pray that you may see the truth.

  256. hi

    I agree. It said in the bible, that they will reject the Word, and that someday people will kill us and think they are doing God a favor.

    But instead they will be working against God, and condemning themselves.

    We will see a lot of martyrdom as misguided Muslims behead Christians as infidels.

  257. Salaam and peace to all,
    I came here and I saw some very serious allegations leveled against Allah, Muhammad ( peace and blessings be upon him), and Imam Mahdi particularly from Leatherback and Marianne. As Muslims founded the early precursor to the scientific method, we will try to either affirm or reject what those to have to say using only the bible. The Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) will not be used except as a reference.
    Let us begin with Allah. Leatherback made some serious allegations that Allah is a moon god and part of a pantheon. The word Allah simply means The God, and not god as in anything a person worships, but God as in the only being worthy of worship and the only Creator. There is no evidence what so ever from either Islamic or Pre-Islamic sources that Allah was ever connected in anyway to the moon. If Leatherback is referring to the crescent moon on the flags of Muslim nations, then he is completely wrong. The crescent moon was not used until the 10th Century when the Turks who had converted to Islam put it on their banners. To the Turks the Star and Crescent were symbols of courage and bravery. Though some scholars would later try to incorporate it into Islamic symbolism saying that it represents the Muslim lunar calendar (which the Jews also follow), its origins are not of Islamic background. Then Leatherback says we have more then one god because of Allahu Akbar, which means God is Greatest. Either he is extremely ignorant or just extremely stupid. Yes God is Greatest, anything you can think of God is greater than that. Which is greater king or God, which is greater the sun or God, which is greater the Milky Way or God? Anything imaginable or unimaginable God is greater than that and no religion disputes that, so Leatherback either open your mind or go back to kindergarden, it would do wonders for you. Finally if Allah is a Muslim god how do you account for Arabic speaking Christians and Jews who called God Allah for over 2000 years? No they didn’t adopt the terminology from Muslims, there are Arabic bible and torahs still in existence which predate Islam by hundreds of years and in it they call God Allah.
    Now as for the claims against Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) lets start with Leatherbacks accusations that he was a violent murderer. The Prophet (peace be upon him) always sought peaceful solutions before wars and always ordered humane treatment for the defeated. He ordered his generals to call the people to peace first and fight only if they accept. He also set strict rules about fighting stating clearly that women and children, the elderly, the innocent worker, and priests cannot be harmed. Don’t believe me then read the following hadiths.
    Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4294:

    It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraid through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a jihad, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of Muhairs (immigrant) and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajirs. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muslimms and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai’ except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them. When you lay siege to a fort and the besieged appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not accord to them the guarantee of Allah and His Prophet, but accord to them your own guarantee and the guarantee of your companions for it is a lesser sin that the security given by you or your companions be disregarded than that the security granted in the name of Allah and His Prophet be violated When you besiege a fort and the besieged want you to let them out in accordance with Allah’s Command, do not let them come out in accordance with His Command, but do so at your (own) command, for you do not know whether or not you will be able to carry out Allah’s behest with regard to them.

    Narrated by Ahmed and Tirmidhi
    Ibn `Abbas says: The Messenger of Allah, when dispatching his troops, would tell them, ” ..Do not behave treacherously, nor misappropriate war-booty, nor mutilate [those whom you kill], nor kill children, nor the people in cloisters.”

    Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Go in Allah’s name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah’s Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, or a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well. (Sunan Abu Dawud , Book 14, Number 2608)

    The same cannot be said about the Bible however. In the Bible there are acts of violence that puts Hitler to shame.
    Book of Numbers 31:2-37
    2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the children of Israel. Afterward you shall be gathered to your people.”
    3 So Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm some of yourselves for war, and let them go against the Midianites to take vengeance for the LORD on Midian. 4 A thousand from each tribe of all the tribes of Israel you shall send to the war.”
    5 So there were recruited from the divisions of Israel one thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. 6 Then Moses sent them to the war, one thousand from each tribe; he sent them to the war with Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, with the holy articles and the signal trumpets in his hand. 7 And they warred against the Midianites, just as the LORD commanded Moses, and they killed all the males. 8 They killed the kings of Midian with the rest of those who were killed—Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Midian. Balaam the son of Beor they also killed with the sword.
    9 And the children of Israel took the women of Midian captive, with their little ones, and took as spoil all their cattle, all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 They also burned with fire all the cities where they dwelt, and all their forts. 11 And they took all the spoil and all the booty—of man and beast.
    12 Then they brought the captives, the booty, and the spoil to Moses, to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the children of Israel, to the camp in the plains of Moab by the Jordan, across from Jericho. 13 And Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation, went to meet them outside the camp. 14 But Moses was angry with the officers of the army, with the captains over thousands and captains over hundreds, who had come from the battle.
    15 And Moses said to them: “Have you kept all the women alive? 16 Look, these women caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the incident of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. 17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. 18 But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. 19 And as for you, remain outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person, and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves and your captives on the third day and on the seventh day. 20 Purify every garment, everything made of leather, everything woven of goats’ hair, and everything made of wood.”
    21 Then Eleazar the priest said to the men of war who had gone to the battle, “This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses: 22 Only the gold, the silver, the bronze, the iron, the tin, and the lead, 23 everything that can endure fire, you shall put through the fire, and it shall be clean; and it shall be purified with the water of purification. But all that cannot endure fire you shall put through water. 24 And you shall wash your clothes on the seventh day and be clean, and afterward you may come into the camp.”
    25 Now the LORD spoke to Moses, saying: 26 “Count up the plunder that was taken—of man and beast—you and Eleazar the priest and the chief fathers of the congregation; 27 and divide the plunder into two parts, between those who took part in the war, who went out to battle, and all the congregation. 28 And levy a tribute for the LORD on the men of war who went out to battle: one of every five hundred of the persons, the cattle, the donkeys, and the sheep; 29 take it from their half, and give it to Eleazar the priest as a heave offering to the LORD. 30 And from the children of Israel’s half you shall take one of every fifty, drawn from the persons, the cattle, the donkeys, and the sheep, from all the livestock, and give them to the Levites who keep charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.” 31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
    32 The booty remaining from the plunder, which the men of war had taken, was six hundred and seventy-five thousand sheep, 33 seventy-two thousand cattle, 34 sixty-one thousand donkeys, 35 and thirty-two thousand persons in all, of women who had not known a man intimately. 36 And the half, the portion for those who had gone out to war, was in number three hundred and thirty-seven thousand five hundred sheep; 37 and the LORD’s tribute of the sheep was six hundred and seventy-five.

    Killing all males and raping all the virgins including young girls who hadn’t begun puberty, sound peaceful to you? Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) never engaged in this kind of violence. Now before I go any further, I already know what people will say, “What about the Jewish Banu Qurayzah? Well to understand what happened you first need to look at the background. When Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came to Medina, among the first things he did was to make a treaty with the Jews. The treaty stipulated that both Muslim and Jewish communities will be autonomous and run their own affairs without interference from one another, that they will join forces together to defend their city, that they will both contribute to paying blood money if either communities members mistakenly killed someone, and neither side will give aid to the other’s enemy. In 627 CE the hostile Meccans tried to invade Medina and they convinced the Jews of the Banu Qurayzah to break the treaty with the Muslims and fight on their side from within Medina. Before the alliance could conduct their plan the weather turned bad and the Meccans retreated. As for the Jews, they were tried for treason. In America if a person betrays the country and helps in something that could destroy thousands of lives he gets the death penalty and no one complains. Now here is somethings few people know, realize, or mention. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was no the judge. Once the Jews were defeated a group of Medinian Muslims came to him and asked him for leniency on their former allies, so he asked them if they would be happy if he let one of them decide their fate, to which they replied yes and chose their leader Sa’d Ibn Ma’ud. He called the rabbis of the Banu Qurayzah and asked them, ” What does your holy book say you do to traitors?” The Jews replied, ” you kill them and sell their families into slavery.” So he decided to punish them according TO THEIR OWN LAW!!! That’s like if an American commited a crime in Germany and the Germans say we will try you according to your own law. How can anyone cry foul then without saying their own nation’s laws are unjust. And remember the Jews follow the same Old Testament the Christians do so if you say that was unfair, you are saying God is unfair. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) agreed to judge them according their own laws which can be found in Deuteronomy 20:12-14
    “If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. ”
    Actually the Prophet (peace be upon him showed much greater mercy and compassion than Jewish law, he ordered that mothers could not be separated from their children and that any Jewish man who would convert to Islam would be pardoned and have his family and property restored to him. Most of the Jews refused and accepted their punishment like honorable soldiers should.
    Now some people try to portray the Muslims as hostile raiders attacking the innocent Meccan caravans. This is false before and after the migration to Medina the Meccans were hostile to the Muslims persecuting them, attacking them, and robbing them. So in the face of this we fought back and as in any war economics is a way to fight back. Also after years of war the Muslims and the Meccans made a treaty, but the treaty was broken BY THE MECCANS. So the Muslims conquered Mecca, as a legitimate reason, but instead of slaughtering his enemies, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) pardoned them. As for the raids the Prophet (peace be upon him) did not do it for his personal wealth. He could have lived like a king, yet he slept on a straw mat, had to sell his armor to a Jewish pawn shop owner for a barrel of barely flour, and the only possession he had when he passed away were a couple of dates and a toothbrush, all of his money (which was a total of 3 coins) was given in charity. So to Marianne and Leatherback who claim that my Prophet was a violent man here is all the proof to dispel what you all said.
    Now as for Leatherback’s disgusting portrayal of my Prophet’s marriage to Aisha. I just have one question for you dude, how old was Mary when God impregnated her with His child? The answer is 12 or 13. In all cultures before the modern era a girl was an adult when she had her first period at which time she was considered a woman. As for Aisha (may God be pleased with her) she loved her husband dearly and had nothing but fond things to say of him in the many years she outlived him, what kind of person says good things about someone they don’t like. And as for her age she was married to him at 9 but there was no consummation until she was much older.
    Finally their charge that he was a false prophet. Let us dear friends turn to the Bible which incidentally has a way to test a false prophet from a real one.
    1 John 4:2-3
    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and this is the spirit of the antichrist.
    The following verse clearly states that anyone who denies that Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was sent by God or who denies that he is the servant and messenger of God, or that he is the promised Messiah is an agent of the antichrist. Now let us see what God said in the Quran about Prophet Jesus and what Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said in the hadith. Let us start with a few a verses of the Quran concerning Jesus.
    Quran 3:45
    (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).
    Quran 4:171
    O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as your Defender.
    Quran 61:6
    And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic.
    Quran 57:27
    Then We caused Our messengers to follow in their footsteps; and We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow, and gave him the Gospel, and placed compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him. But monasticism they invented – We ordained it not for them – only seeking Allah’s pleasure, and they observed it not with right observance. So We give those of them who believe their reward, but many of them are evil-livers.
    So from the verses from the Quran above it is clear that it would pass the test of 1 John 4:2-3, it clearly says that Jesus was a human being, that was sent by God, His servant and messenger, and the promised Messiah.
    Now to the actual sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
    Sahih Bukhari
    Volume 7, Book 72, Number 789:

    Narrated Abdullah bin Umar:

    Allah’s Apostle said, “Today I saw myself in a dream near the Ka’ba. I saw a whitish brown man, the handsomest of all brown men you might ever see. He had the most beautiful Limma (hair hanging down to the earlobes) you might ever see. He had combed it and it was dripping water; and he was performing the Tawaf around the Kaba leaning on two men or on the shoulders of two men. l asked, “Who is this?” It was said. “Messiah, the son of Mary (Jesus) .” Suddenly I saw a curly-haired man, blind in the right eye which looked like a protruding out grape. I asked, “Who is this?” It was said, “He is the Antichrist.”
    Sahih Muslim
    Book 030, Number 5836:

    Abu Huraira reported many ahadith from Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and one is that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I am most close to Jesus, son of Mary, among the whole of mankind in this worldly life and the next life. They said: Allah’s Messenger how is it? Thereupon he said: Prophets are brothers in faith, having different mothers. Their religion is, however, one and there is no Apostle between us (between I and Jesus Christ).

    Sahih Muslim
    Book 030, Number 5838:

    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The satan touches every son of Adam on the day when his mother gives birth to him with the exception of Mary and her son, Jesus the Messiah.

    This also proves that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) acknowledged that Jesus was sent by God and was the Messiah and a Prophet. So with that said it shows that he passes the test of the Bible from 1 John 4:2-3
    Now as for other proofs I will turn to Dr. Zakir Naik who wrote about the coming of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) from the Bible.
    1.
    MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:

    Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

    “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

    The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.

    If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
    Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will
    fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

    However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

    i)

    Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

    [Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

    ii)
    Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

    iii)
    Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)

    Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

    Words in the mouth:

    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

    “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

    [Deuteronomy 18:18]

    iv)
    Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, “My kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36).

    v)
    Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
    people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, “He came unto his own, but his own received him not.”

    iv)
    Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

    2.
    It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

    “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”

    3.
    Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

    “And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.”

    When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra – “Read”, he replied, “I am not learned”.

    4.
    prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

    “Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

    “His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
    of Jerusalem.”

    In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad
    (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as “altogether lovely”, but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:

    Al-Qur’an Chapter 61 Verse 6:

    “And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, ‘O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.’ But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, ‘This is evident sorcery!’ ”

    All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

    1.
    John chapter 14 verse 16:
    “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.”

    2.
    Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

    “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
    proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”

    3.
    Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

    “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
    come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you”.

    “Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of the
    Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word ‘Comforter’ is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
    Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
    Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

    Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
    that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
    Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
    Muhammad (pbuh).

    4.
    Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

    “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
    come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me”.

    The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Now the as for the last claim they make refers to Imam Mahdi (peace be upon him) as a Sunni Muslim I do not agree with some of what my Shia brethren say concerning him, but I will say that he will be a great Muslim leader who will unite the Muslim lands, destroy tyranny around the world, and protect Islam.

    God Knows Best

  258. jespana,

    I wish you well, and I am sorry I was so hard on your belief. I wish you would read a correct history book on who, and what Muhammad did. Archaeology proves the Kabba, and the god are a part of a pagan religious tradition.

    Anyway, if it is a lie to believe in G-d the Father, who sent his only begotten son into the world to die a perfect sacrifice for human sin, then I will surly be sent to hell.

    The Holy spirit, the third part of G-d, is getting stronger inside of me, I am getting closer to G-d because of it. It is the comforter.

    This is what I believe, and I could never worship the god of the Kabba.

    Best of luck to you,

    L.

  259. Leatherneck,
    I too wish you well.

    The way a history book is written depends on a certain point of view. If the historian who writes it is biased against a person, religion, or faith then it will speak ill of them.

    Archaeology in no way proves the Kabaa is of a pagan religious tradition. You do understand that Abraham (peace be upon him) was the one who built it right?

    Yes, Abraham (pbuh) one of the most devoted servants of God built the Kabaa. In fact, Abraham (pbuh) gave Muslims the name Muslim.

    I encourage you to read what Wali wrote. He will explain to you what “comforter” and “paraclyte” is. His premises use good logos.
    He quotes from all authentic sources.

    Peace be with you.

    • jespana10,

      There is no historic evidence that Abraham built the Kabaa. Nor, would Abraham place the meteorite for people to kiss, and wash away their sins.

      Are you sure, you are not just believing what some Imam told you to believe? If you are correct, and Abraham did build the Kabaa, why was their 360 gods to worship there? He only believed in the one true G-d.

      • I do not believe by kissing a stone that someone washes away their sins.
        God forgives sins for those who truly repent of their fault. And for many, repenting is a difficult thing, as an example Prophet Jacob’s (pbuh) sons that beat up and put Prophet Joseph (pbuh) in a well.

        An Imam never told me about who built the Kabaa. It is in the Qur’an. Abraham (pbuh) and Ishmael (pbuh) built the Kabaa.

        After they built the Kabaa (1007 B.C.E.), between that time and the advent of Islam 600′s C.E. many people began to abandon Abraham’s (pbuh) teachings. Consequently they made idols and placed it in the Kabaa. Therefore it became a shrine devoted to idols.
        But in the advent of Islam. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) destroyed the 360 idols that were in there.
        Several prophets destroyed idols and idolatry.
        Abraham (pbuh) did it, Isaac (pbuh) did it, Joseph (pbuh) did it, and so on. I am sure if there would have been idolatry in Jesus’s (pbuh) time, he would have destroyed idols too.

  260. dru2
    It is proven that thugs are the people who kill Coptic Christians. They are not Muslim, if they were truly Muslim they would not be oppressing the Coptic Christians.
    About Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia, etc. They have corrupt governments, you cannot blame a religion for having corrupt leaders. How many leaders in Europe and North America are corrupt? Many are, so do not focus on one continent.

    You have never read the Qur’an or have ever read the sermons of the Prophet (SAW). “Hypocrisy” is not something that any religion teaches.

    About Israel, did I not tell you that I strongly oppose Hamas? They do not speak for the Palestinian people at all.

    Christians murdered the Jewish people, look at the Crusades. Look at Nazi Germany (Christian Germany) Lutheran, Catholic, etc. they murdered 6 million Jews.
    Your claims are “hypocritical”.

    The EVIDENCE DOES NOT OUTWEIGH any arguments I have PRESENTED forth.
    You are erroneous to believe that I am trying to convince people to convert to Islam. How naive of you to think so.
    I am DEFENDING my GOD, the PROPHETS, and the FAITH. In no moment have I ever expected ANYONE here to convert to Islam.
    Conversion comes from the HEART.
    GOD led my HEART to the path of SUBMITTING TO HIS WILL.

    Wali and I have come up with authentic SCRIPTURE from the TORAH and BIBLE to prove our points. A very ACADEMIC APPROACH USING LOGOS.

    NOT ALL CHRISTIANS KISS the CROSS or WORSHIP THE SAINTS OR VIRGIN.
    But all TRUE CHRISTIANS WORSHIP A PROPHET. When did Jesus (pbuh) ever ORDER YOU GUYS TO WORSHIP HIM?

    AGAIN YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED by THINKING THAT THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH is the HOLY SPIRIT.
    THE HOLY SPIRIT was there BEFORE CHRIST, DURING CHRIST’s STAY ON EARTH, and AFTER HE WAS SAVED BY GOD.
    I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE ARAMAIC BIBLE (Language of Christ birthplace, even though he spoke all languages).
    ADVOCATE/COMFORTER in ARAMAIC = AHMAD = MUHAMMAD (SAW)

    In fact, if you want to be fair, what are the majority of the inhabitants of BETHLEHEM? they are PALESTINIANS.
    In fact, I heard a Christian say that the Virgin Mary (peace be upon her) and Jesus (peace be upon him) were PALESTINIANS.
    Even if Palestine was established after Jesus’s ascension, people of that age should have looked a lot like they do today.

    ISRAEL is a SECULAR STATE. In FACT, IF YOU ASK THE MAJORITY OF ORTHODOX JEWS, THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE STATE OF ISRAEL SHOULD EXIST.
    AS THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE MESSIAH TO COME AND ESTABLISH A KINGDOM FULL OF PEACE AND JUSTICE.

    Before you start bashing Muslims, look at the CRIMES that JEWS and CHRISTIANS have done.
    MOST JEWS REJECTED THE PROPHETS that came to GUIDE THEM.
    And I have already described the crimes of Christians before.

    Do YOU EVEN LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF CHRIST? DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.
    By saying that my faith and the last Prophet is false, YOU ARE GOING AGAINST THE WORDS OF CHRIST.

    WHEN have I directly said that CHRISTIANITY is FALSE?
    WHEN have I ever said that Jesus (pbuh) is false?

    REMEMBER, I USED TO BE A CHRISTIAN. WHAT WOULD I GAIN FROM saying that CHRISTIANITY is FALSE, or criticizing any of the DISCIPLES?
    NOTHING.

    If YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH MUTUAL RESPECT to the BELIEFS of OTHERS, WHY DO YOU EVEN ARGUE?
    YOU JUST LOSE CREDIBILITY TO YOURSELF.

    Peace be upon you.

    • jespana

      So you are saying that when Christians kill others, they are still Christians. But when Muslims kill others, they are not true Muslims.? that would be hypocrisy.

      Muslim governments are dictatorships. That says a lot. And Sharia law is a horror. Even Muslims suffer under that, especially women. Women are like dogs to them.

      you said:
      YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED by THINKING THAT THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH is the HOLY SPIRIT

      If you DON”T believe this you are really lost. Of course, the spirit of truth is the holy spirit.

      Muslims do NOT listen to the words of Christ, and have DEMOTED him and REDUCED him to a prophet status.

      This is an insult to him.

      Muslims have no relationship to Jesus at all. They ignore his words, and who he is.

      Jesus never predicted Muhammed. He would have never done that. The prophets were all Jews, educated in their faith, and called by God, working miracles and giving prophecies that came true. Muhammed was only an Arab – a non Jew – uneducated in the Jewish faith, and declared war on the Jews. He never worked miracles, and there are no prophecies that he uniquely made that came true. He borrowed some material from the bible that he learned about, and that is the only accurate part – what he borrowed Even then, what he borrowed he changed, and created errors.

      I told you to read the book of John.

      You were resistant to doing this.

      If you had done this, you would not be giving these useless arguments.

      to claim the bible is wrong is just an act of resistance to the truth, and a poor excuse to justify the false claims of Islam.

      Again, Islam has not saved you, and will never save you.

      • I meant to say that people who call themselves Christian and act the opposite way, are not really Christians are they?
        Similarly, people who say they are Muslim but do not act like Muslims are not Muslim.

        Muslim governments are dictatorships because they are backed up by the corrupt United States government.
        Examples: Saudi Arabia (by far the worst), Bahrain (2nd worse), Jordan, Yemen.
        Formerly: Tunisia, Egypt, Iraq.

        Do you understand that many governments in the West are corrupt? Take a look at the European countries with their racism towards immigrants, French President expelling hundreds of Gypsies, racist British Prime MInister against immigration, United States state governments passing Arizona law, Texas denying a death row inmate being offered consular services, Netherlands discrimination against religious minorities, gay marriage in Christian countries, and the list goes on.

        You cannot speak for women as I myself have spoken to Muslim women living in Muslim countries and they are happy.
        In fact, I saw a video of a Muslim women living in Saudi Arabia of all places, and she felt really good.
        Watch this video:

        Of course you will here abuse of women, but that happens in the United States too. Domestic violence, men raping women, prostitution which is more widespread in European and North American countries, etc.

        Are you sure you read the Bible Marianne? Who taught you how to read the Bible? How do you interpret a holy book that has so many contradictions?

        Muslims have a big relation to Jesus (pbuh). He is the messiah promised by God to the Jews. He was sent to guide the children of Israel, but as you can see he guided the whole world. If anything, we Muslims respect Jesus (pbuh) more than you Christians. Have you any idea what Jesus (pbuh) would be saying if he saw that all of you worshipped him? All of you bowing down to his cross?
        He would most certainly be angry at all of you, and as he will when he comes back destroy the cross and swine. Then all those who refused to believe in his words and teachings, before men corrupted his teachings will come to believe the true Christ, servant of God.

        I have read much of the book of John.

        Jesus (pbuh) did foretell the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). The TRUTH HURTS doesn’t it Marianne?
        In your own scripture it says so. Of course, the Bible in itself has many contradictions, but it does clearly say that the spirit of truth is a “HE” and not an “IT”.
        You can deny it all you want, but if you ask any theologian any person who has studied religions he would tell you that the EARLY CHRISTIANS BELIEVED THE PARACLYTE TO BE A MAN and NOT A GHOST.

        Historical evidence has suggested that the Bible has been modified. Do you know the council of Nicea in 325 AD? The leaders of the Church significantly changed the doctrine of Christianity.
        In fact, several schisms resulted after that meeting:

        Specifically the Arian controversy.
        For about two months, the two sides argued and debated, with each appealing to Scripture to justify their respective positions. According to many accounts, debate became so heated that at one point, Arius was slapped in the face by Nicholas of Myra, who would later be canonized.

        Is this what Christianity is about? slapping others in the face?
        And he got canonized, wow.

        God has saved me from the corrupt words of men.
        God has led me to the right path of Islam, the faith of the Prophets as each Prophet submitted to the will of God (literal meaning of the word “Islam”)
        Abraham (pbuh) did give us the name Muslim.

        Peace be upon you

        • jespana

          again. you ignore the words of Jesus and then say you respect him.

          the holy spirit is a “he” …that is correct….which you need to think about.

          There is no truth to the claim that Jesus predicted Muhammed. This is just empty talk.

          The united states has many Christians in it, but there are many other religions here too. This includes atheists, and the Christians are not responsible for what other religions and atheists do here.

          In contrast, Muslim countries are made of Muslims, with christians only in a small oppressed minority.

          It is the will of the Father to give his son glory and honor. If we do not do it, the Father will will reject all who reject his son.

          Jesus is not coming back to destroy the cross and the swine….he is not interested in pigs……and he died on that cross, which is the most precious symbol of his sacrifice for us. He paid the death penalty for our sins, and we must accept his sacrifice, or we go to hell. Since muslims also deny the truth of the cross, this predicts their future outcome.

          Since you don’t read the bible, or reject the idea of reading it and accepting the contents, you will not accept this fact either.

          You have a lot of false teaching and false history to over come. I am not going to exhaust myself arguing with someone not interested in the truth. Christians, for example, NEVER believed the paraclete to be a man….that is stupid…….

          I get documentation weekly about women being oppressed and beaten and persecuted in Muslim countries, and around the world.

          You are totally lost.

          You are also closed to the truth, so I see no reason for you to continue here.

          We give the truth of the bible, and you reject the bible. So we cannot help you.

          We did our best to help you, but you do not want help.

          So there is no hate, or rejection from us, but common sense dictates that arguing constantly is nonproductive.

          When the holy spirit, who is a “he” touches you, you will know it. At that time, when you are more open to the truth, instead of fables, we will do all we can to help you then.

          • Marianne,
            it is you who reject the words of Christ (pbuh).
            Did Christ (pbuh) teach you to hate others, hate monotheists, or immigrants?

            I live in the United States and I can tell you that racism lives here and that religious minorities are constantly discriminated against. Also, immigrants.

            I am a Colombian, and the first thing American so-called Christians ask me is where is the cocaine?

            In the United States, a supposedly “FREE” country, Muslim women have been denied EMPLOYMENT for wearing the hijab. You are oppressing them. So before you go on about Muslims oppressing minorities, look at your own Christian countries.

            Did Jesus (pbuh) ever tell you to worship his cross? Bow down to his cross? Did he ever teach you to make the sign of the cross? No. And most of the Christians in this Earth will be surprised when the Messiah (pbuh) comes again and destroys the cross (A Roman Pagan Symbol).

            I have read the Bible, and passages from it. I have attended mass Church for almost 23 years of my life, and you do not think I have read some gospels? Do not fool yourself.

            So, according to you, if someone who is completely pious, gives food to the poor, clothes the naked, visits those who are in prison, etc. denies the crucifixion then he will go to hell?
            That is ridiculous. How can someone who has done the will of God all their life go to hell just because they refuse to believe that Christ (pbuh) was crucified?

            I do not think you believe God is merciful, because according to you God cannot even forgive a person for not believing that Jesus (pbuh) died on the cross.

            The truth is that Jesus (pbuh) was prepared to be a martyr for God, and his will was to be crucified, yet he said “let this cup pass according to YOUR WILL….”
            God’s WILL WAS THAT CHRIST BE SAVED FROM DEATH. And LO, HE WAS SAVED, THE ANGELS TOOK HIM AND JESUS (PBUH) ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN.
            Again I have quoted scripture to prove my point.

            SPEAK TO ANY THEOLOGIAN, and HE WILL TELL YOU THAT THE EARLY CHRISTIANS BELIEVED THAT THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH (PARACLYTE) WAS A MAN.
            Furthermore, I have told you that the ARAMAIC WORD FOR COMFORTER/PARACLYTE is AHMAD (Muhammad SAW). ARAMAIC BIBLE.

            The majority of people in this world do NOT ACCEPT the TRUTH. Only a MINORITY WILL BE SAVED.

            We all will be judged by God in the day of judgement. I pray for you and everyone who rejects the WORDS AND TEACHINGS OF CHRIST (PBUH) to WAKE UP.

            I don’t see why most Christians believe that God is masculine.
            Have you ever seen GOD? Do you know how God looks like?
            Again you people assume make TOO MANY ASSUMPTIONS.

            This is why Muslims use the name Allah SWT. Allah can be masculine or feminine.
            And in fact, ARAB CHRISTIANS AND JEWS use the name ALLAH to refer to God.

            I have done my job in defending God, the last prophet, monotheistic religions, and the believers (people of the book).

            You are the ones who reject the Bible, through it’s multiple versions, editions, and insertions.

            In reality if you want to know something, why is it that in the Bible WOMEN are to blame for Adam and Eve’s sin? The Bible is SEXIST.
            The Quran on the other hand, does NOT BLAME EITHER SEX.
            In fact, in the Quran and in Islam, MEN AND WOMEN ARE EQUAL.

            The ACTIONS of a SOCEITY, Or COUNTRY as a WHOLE are to BLAME for WOMEN BEING BEATEN and TREATED UNFAIRLY.
            YOU CANNOT BLAME RELIGION.

            Women in the WEST are ROUTINELY TREATED AS SEX OBJECTS.
            Why doesn’t the Christian community in the U.S. speak out against Pornography? Or against PLAYBOY?

            I pray that you may stop being racist against religious minorities and immigrants.

            Peace

            • jespana

              You claim to come in peace, yet you are full of resentment and complaints.

              No one in the USA is against LEGAL immigrants. ILLEGAL immigrants are violating the law. they are illegal. Do you know what that means?

              American christians do not ask where the cocaine is. That is a stupid remark. You are lying now. You should be ashamed of yourself.

              In America, people have to know who you are before they employ you. If you hide this, it creates a problem. Remember , you are here in OUR society, and need to conform. We are not obligated to submit to YOUR society and customs if they interfere with our own rights to exist. I have Muslim friends who wear American clothes and they get along fine here.

              The answer to your question about doing good works and go to hell is correct. WE do not enter heaven because of our works, but only through the blood of Jesus.

              Our own works are filthy rags, according to Jesus, because we all have a sin nature, and doing good things does not make us holy. Only being cleansed of our sins can do this, and only Jesus is the way to do this.

              There is no theologian who will say the paraclete is a man, unless he is Muslim. You are making this up, or you have some false source.

              Jesus himself identified the holy spirit as the paraclete. Why don’t you respect what he said, instead of arguing with him.?

              You must be a new convert to Islam. In the Quran, men and women are not equal.

              Sura 2:228 states, “Women have such honorable rights as obligations, but their men have a degree above them.”

              “Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them.” (Sura 4:34) Moreover, the Qur’an declares that God “created for you, of yourselves, spouses, that you might repose in them.” (Sura 30:20)

              In matters of contracts, “two men should witness, but if not two men, then one man, and two women so that if one of the two women should err, the other will remind her.” (Sura 2:282)

              A woman should not have any part of her husband’s or father’s estate. Sura 4:11 declares that a woman shall share of what parents and kinsmen leave. A man shall inherit twice as much as a female. (Sale, p. 72)

              The Qur’an declares that a man shall purify himself before prayer, and among those polluting sources are women. (Sura 5:6)

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              do not forget polygamy is allowed in Islam.
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              Christians are the main opponents of pornography in this country.
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              I am not racist. I am merely responding to your errors in thinking. I work with LEGAL immigrants, and they are good workers. You wil hear no complaints from them about me.

              But illegal people are criminals. That is by definition of the law. They are welcome to become legal, and be a part of this society. But to break the law makes them criminals, just like any other person who breaks the law.

              I can understand why a catholic could convert to Islam, Buddhism, paganism or any other thinking pattern. Catholics are uneducated in the bible. most drop away from their faith, because of bad teaching.

              I am sorry you had such a bad background in your early faith, and never got what you needed to grow in it.

              Paraclete (greek) means comforter (english),

              The hebrew words for comfort is nacham, or cha ‘ ad, mabliygiyth,

              Saying the word is translated as something else is just imagination and wishful thinking.

              Arabs of biblical times were enemies of Israel. They would not qualify as comforters to Israel. The only way Israel will have comfort and peace – relief from enemies – is when jesus comes back.

              I hope you find your way back to Jesus, and find a good teacher who can really explain the bible to you.

              • comforter in arabic is…… al mah’ zeh

                comforter in hebrew is……ma nah chem

                I do not see Muhammed coming out of any of that, unless you have a highly active imagination.

                • Did I say Arabic or Hebrew? No.
                  I said ARAMAIC. Aramaic was the native language of Christ’s (pbuh) people.

                  The word for comforter in Aramaic is “Ahmad”.
                  Ask a Maronite Christian, a Christian from Lebanon about what
                  the word advocate, paraclyte, or comforter is in Aramaic.
                  Note, only Maronite priests will know it as they are the only ones that study the Aramaic language, unless you are a college student studying ancient languages.

                  And about works. Jesus (pbuh) said himself to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick, etc.
                  All these works are good deeds.

                  According to you, you would led a starving baby in Africa die because you said, not by works are we saved.
                  So you’d just let the poor die.

                  • words in arabic and hebrew are very similar to aramaic.

                    Ahmad is still not muhammed…………what a foolish argument…..you refuse to believe what Jesus said…….so you do not respect him or his words.

                    good deeds by themselves are not enough…….because faith without works is dead.

                    so once you have faith, you are expected to do good works…..but it is not the good works that saves you…it is the blood of Jesus……even the wicked can give to charity.

              • You have misinterpreted the verse sura 4:34
                You and many Muslims and Non-Muslims alike have interpreted these verses wrong.

                The word iḍribūhunna comes from the root daraba (Arabic: ضرب). The word has been used many times in the Quran to mean: to hit, to travel the earth, to set up, to condemn and to give examples. Thus scholars interpret iḍribūhunna differently. Whereas many interpret it to mean “to strike lightly”, others hold that the term means “to separate”. Such an action is to be administered only if neither the husband nor the wife are willing to divorce.

                Muslim scholars who permit hitting, emphasize that it must not be harsh,but rather light. Muslim men are never to hit their spouse’s face, nor to leave hit them in such a way as would leave marks on their body. Scholars suggest that the response administered should be in proportion to the fault committed. Traditionally the idea of beating was “with a toothbrush” or “with a folded handkerchief.”

                The 2007 translation The Sublime Quran by Laleh Bakhtiar translates iḍribūhunna not as ‘beat them’ but as ‘go away from them’. The introduction to her translation discusses the linguistic and shari‘ah reasons in Arabic for understanding this verb in context. The Prophet never beat his wives, and his example from the Sunnah informs the interpretation of this verse. This interpretation is supported by the fact that some other verses, such as 4:101 which contains word darabtum (derivation from daraba), demonstrate also the interpretation of Arabic word daraba to have meaning ‘going’ or ‘moving’.

                And when it says “manager of affairs over women” it means to PROTECT WOMEN. That it is a Man’s duty to protect women from harm or evil.

                Sura 2:228 is nothing else but separation of duties between men and women. As you can see, men and women are not the same physically, men are physically stronger in muscle and women are much more flexible than man. Men cannot be pregnant and carry a baby in their body, but Women can have children in her womb.
                We both wear different clothes, etc. Biological construction

                In other words, for every responsibility given to them, they acquire a right. This is the equality they have been granted. Thus men and women have same rights as each other

                It is a very natural thing that men are superior to women in some abilities and inferior in others like men are superior in physical strength but men are inferior in linguistic skill.

                Both men and women are equal according to Qur’an and both are equally capable and responsible for developing those qualities in themselves which the Qur’an has said are essential for believers.

                And by the way, I have had Americans discriminate against me because of my hispanic race.

                Another thing, the ILLEGAL IMMAGRANTS that CROSS THE BORDER WORK FOR THEIR FAMILIES. THEY ARE NOT CRIMINALS.

                DO YOU KNOW THAT THEY PERFORM JOBS AMERCIANS WOULD NEVER DARE PERFORM AT LOWER PAY RATE?

                I suggest you speak with Muslims here in America and ask them about these passages. Speak to women in particular.

                • Hitting a woman is physical abuse. A man has no right to hit his wife. I have seen pictures of this abuse.

                  I think I understand your problem. You are racist yourself, and see everyone as against Hispanics. You have a “chip” on your shoulder, as we say here.

                  Hispanics have been part of the American culture for hundreds of years. Those that are legal contribute to this society in many ways.

                  The excuse that the illegals are working does not justify their criminal behavior.

                  if they want to work, they can either do this legally in Mexico, where they come from, or get a work visa to come here and work legally.

                  They cheat and do not pay taxes.

                  They get free medical care, housing, food assistance, etc, which is cheating the Americans out of their tax money, which is to help their OWN American poor.

                  It is a lie that illegals do jobs Americans would not do. Americans were doing these jobs before the illegals came and took them away.

                  Illegals do not pay taxes. They cheat and pay nothing. They are parasites in this society. They cost us billions of dollars in lost money, since they are here to get everything for free.

                  WE own them nothing. They do not want to contribute to this society. They are here to get what they want for themselves.

                  They come here with no respect for us. They just want what we have. Americans would not be permitted to be illegal in THEIR countries.

                  Illegal means against the law…..which means criminal behavior……but this is the illegal mentality, that to break the law is ok.

                  You seem to share this illegal mentality, and then tell me you are good before God. You are not a fair person.

                  Does the Quran tell you to break the law and it is ok?

            • Jespana
              You say, “How can someone who does the will of God go to Hell Just because they don’t believe jesus was Crucified?”

              I answer as follows:
              1. You THINK you are doing the will of God, but in fact you are doing the work of the devil. As I mentioned, your religion is the religion of Satan. ALL your arguments above are “Accusations”. “Christians did this, or Christians said that”. Satan is the “accuser of our brothers”, (Rev 12:10). In Fact his Name is derived from that word. This “accusation” is one of his methods of deception. You by your accusations are doing his will, Not God’s. Also, Many of your arguments pertain to the catholic church, as I pointed out to you, and which you failed to acknowledge, the catholic church, is NOT the Church of “true Christianity”. It has been corrupted by worldly power.

              2. Salvation which Jesus brought to us by dying on the cross is based on Grace alone, through faith, Or our belief. Belief is not a work. And neither is repentence. repenting is a belief that we cannot by any of our works, save ourselves. This is the whole point of why Jesus Came to earth in the first place. He did not come here to “tell us stories” or to “prophecy about mohammed”. He came for sinners, and to bring the FREE GIFT of salvation to us. The only way to bring salvation and forgiveness to sinners is by sacrifice. for the Jews this was the lamb. When Christ came he replaced the Lamb sacrifice which was “temporary”, being performed each year, with a permanent sacrifice, Namely Jesus dying on a cross or tree, as foretold by the Old testament prophets. This sacrifice had to be perfect in order for God to accept it, but man is “born to sin”, How could Jesus be the perfect sacrifice were he not God in Human form.
              The bible says that “without shed blood there is no remission of sins”. This begs the question, whose shed blood are you basing your forgiveness on? If it is one of your Martyrs, they are merely sinful man, If it is your “good works”, they are as dust in the wind to the Heavenly father, because they Have nothing to do with forgiveness. In fact islam has no “Means” of forgiveness. It is only the hope that if my “good” outweighs my “bad”, then hopefully I will be saved. There is also no assurrance of salvation, which comes from our walk with the Lord, and from the Holy Spirit which is “in us”. “For he that is in us, is greater than he who is in the world”. (1 john 4:4)

              3. So yes, is the answer to your question. It does not matter how many, or what works we do, WITHOUT BELIEF IN CHRIST’S DIVINITY, AND HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS, YOU ARE GOING TO HELL. John 3:18 says “Whoever believes in him is NOT condemned, But whoever DOES NOT BELIEVE is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the ONLY Son of God.

  261. Jespana,

    What I wrote was not meant to be personal to you, but there is no way around the offense. It all came out of scripture.

    Daniel 9:11
    11) Yes, kol Yisrael has transgressed Your Torah, even by departing, that they might not obey Your voice; therefore “the curse-THE ALLAH” is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the Torah of Moshe the eved of YHWH, because we have sinned against Him.

    As you can see, this is all part of our Hebrew scriptures. Yah is the one who has spoken these words through the prophet Daniel. Discussions are really not productive because there is a lack of honesty. In Muslim writings, lying and being deceptive to the infidel in the service of Allah is allowed and even encouraged. How then can we reason together? The aim of your religion is to dominate and subject with words or force, whichever is necessary, causing all who do not submit to be killed. It is the will of Allah. Both of us came from father Avraham, but we have different destinies.

    Yirmeyahu 30:5-7

    5) For this says YHWH; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of shalom.

    6) Ask now and see, whether a man does labor with child? Why do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in labor, and all faces are turned pale?

    7) Oy! For that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Yaakov’s Trouble; (BUT HE SHALL BE SAVED OUT OF IT). (emphasis mine).

    As far as insulting Ishmael, the things I spoke of all came out of the Hebrew scriptures. I understand that the descendents of Ishamael became a strong and mighty people, and that in the end, the question of the birthright would be the angst between Yisrael and the sons of Ishmael. The sons of Ishmael will not be happy until Yisrael is destroyed and the birthright of the first born and the double blessing is taken back. You know this is true. It was destined to be this way from the beginning. There have been many wrongs committed towards Muslims and Jews in the early days of Christianity. Those things should never have happened. But no one can go back and undo that. But individuals can change who they choose to serve. But Islam and Yisrael will play out their roles in this end day scenario, exactly as it has been written in the scriptures. As a person, I am not against you. As a Muslim, I have no choice but to resist you. Even if you say you are a peaceful Muslim, how would we know that is true? Even if you believe you are that, when the pressure comes from your own religion to subject the infidels in the name of Allah, you will most likely do that. That will be your choice. Just like those who are of YHWH (the big satan and the little satan according to the Muslim religion) will follow Him. That will be our choice. There will never be peace between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman. It is not about ethnicity, but it is all about choice. I am of Yisrael, but I am not ethnic Yisrael. I have adhered to the instructions of Yah and have become a member of the Common Wealth of Yisrael, even as the homeborn. That choice is open to you and anyone else. It has always been whosoever will.

  262. Jespana
    Fyi, yes the Holy spirit had been around throughout the old testament, But because of Christs death on the cross, we are all able to receive the Holy Spirit By repenting and believing that Jesus was God incarnate. The spirit of Truth is one of the manifestations of the Holy spirit. This is the one that guided the apostles in their writing of Scripture. There are other manifestations of the HS as well. The spirit of Wisdom, the spirit of prophecy, etc.

    Jesus said that “my kingdom is not of this world”. when you equate the works of Christianity with the works of rulers and kings of this world, you make a gigantic error in judgement. Though germany was a nation with Christians living in it, Hitler in no way was. In fact, he was into the occult.

    He deceived many a church goer into believing his antisemitism, to their shame. That is the nature of Satan to decieve people. When Islam “takes over” a nation it imposes its will on the people that live their via Sharia Law. This then allows the those with power to “accuse” those without power of their faith. OH, BTW Satan is also known as the “accuser”. Are you seeing a trend here?

    If you have any kind of an “open mind” you will see this. As for now, you are merely Quoting the words of the “serpent” which I will not acknowledge.

    My heart goes out to you, for you have been corrupted by the religion of corruption led by the angel which was corrupted. This is the angel which appeared to Mohammad as an angel of Light, but he only brought darkness. Your peoples in the Middle east have been suffering as a result, ever since. As this page and others here on this site show, the end times are fast approaching. Your time to find the truth is running out.

    • It is so sad that you have to insult someone’s faith just to make yourself feel “righteous”. Please, stop the insults please. Did Christ (pbuh) teach you to hate and insult other people and their belief’s? No.

      My arguments are not accusations. I base them on academic and theological evidence. I am not accusing anyone of anything, nor am I condemning any of you.

      Every religion on this Earth has in some way been “corrupted” of worldly power. Protestant Christianity has also been corrupted.

      God forgives us if we repent for our sins and do his will. Good deeds, feeding the poor, clothing the naked, the spiritual and corporal works that Jesus (pbuh) and all the prophets taught people about is essential in life.

      Now, you have the right to believe whatever you want to believe and everyone commenting in this blog has the right to believe what they want to. It seems that you and many however, have not respected the opinions of the minorities.

      In Islam there is “forgiveness”, why do you think we say “in the name of God, the most compassionate, the most merciful”? Forgiveness is in there and it is important in our religion as well.

      And if Jesus (pbuh) was not the only Son of God. What about Adam (pbuh)?
      God created Adam (pbuh) from clay and Adam (pbuh) had no mother.
      Also, you misinterpret what “Son of God’ is, anyone who does God’s will can be children of God.

      Peace

      • I agree that dru could have been milder in his answer to you, but he is still accurate.

        So he is blunt, not insulting.

        You do not seem to understand that no good work can merit us heaven.. That is not how we become worthy.

        Only the blood of Jesus that was shed for our sins makes us worthy.

        The idea that Jesus did not die is a fairy tale. He really did die, in front of witnesses, who later saw him resurrected.

        So, even if you “repent” you first have to know what sin is, and what the penalty is, and how the penalty is removed ( with the blood).

        If you repent without acknowledgment of the blood of Jesus that was shed for you, it has not gained you anything.

        • Marianne,
          I have heard when a child crosses a road full of traffic and makes it safely across, some parents have lightly striked their son or daughter on their hand for crossing the road full of blazing fast cars. Like a slap on the wrist. Did it cause them injury? did they get a bruise? Likewise this is what the word “beat them” means in sura 4:34. It is like a slap on the wrist.
          Also, it can mean “separation” as if a woman who loves a man gets separated from him, she will suffer pain for being isolated from him. Likewise, a woman has that right too.
          Moreover, it is permissible for a woman to “beat” her man too. Of course, people take it literally and that’s why you hear of painful beatings and what not.

          About illegal immigrants, I speak to all illegal immigrants not just Hispanics. I have observed that the majority of the people who come to this country illegal escape death, poverty, execution, sadness, etc. for a better life. Their own governments won’t help them, how do you expect them to live life then?

          Peace be with you sister.

          • Grown women are NOT children that need to be disciplined or trained.

            Are you saying Islam considers women so stupid that they need to be treated like they are not intelligent enough, or mature enough, to think for themselves, and need a man to do it for them?

            You defend breaking the law.

            Millions of LEGAL immigrants have come to this country for all the reasons you say, and they obeyed the law in coming here.

            People move to America legally every day.

            In case you are also illegal, it is called a VISA.

            So, are you illegal, and this is why this is important to you?

            To justify your illegal behavior?

            You defend criminals who come here to exploit America.

            You have not observed anything. You make things up as you go along to justify your lawless attitude.

            The antichrist will also be called the lawless one, and you fit into that mentality.

            This shows you have a corrupt mind that is willing to accept falsehoods .. This also explains your political and religious choices.

      • Jespana
        There are Roman records showing that Jesus was crucified. The Jewish people wanted to kill Jesus because HE claimed that he was God. This is the reason why John wrote his Gospel, was to PROVE that Jesus was God. “In the begginning was the word…” Jesus is the Word, and he was there at the beginning of creation. Jesus himself said “Before Abraham was I AM.” “I am” Is the literal translation of Yahweh. His Apostles, All but John, Died as martyrs. John himself was imprisoned on the Island of Patmos till he died. They saw his death and his resurrection, otherwise they would not have been willing to die as Martyrs for the “Way”.

        There is more “evidence” to Prove the death and ressurection of Jesus, than there is at most murder trials. Yet you choose to “close your mind” to the facts.

        My Intent is not to insult your faith, but to make you aware of the trap which you have led yourself into. You went from one corruption at the hands of the pope, to another at the hands Satan himself. You have never known “true Christianity”, nor have you ever “Known” the prescence of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said, “I AM the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, No one comes to the Father (God) EXCEPT through me.” (John 14:6)

        You mentioned the Maronites, in your discusion. They believe that Jesus was God, and they believe in the trinity. They believe that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead the third day. Their faith stayed intact despite being cut off from the church for four hundred years under adverse conditions. They suffered at the hands of the Muslims, and they believe that the comforter is the Holy Spirit, Even though it sounds like “Ahmed” in their language. This alone should be proof to you that you are on the “wrong side” of History. Yet you still ignore this. The same can be said of the Coptics in Egypt. Or the Christians in Ethiopia. They have persevered through adversity and persecution, and being “Last”. When Jesus comes again, they shall be first. Their Testimony, should be proof that the Holy Spirit is the comforter, for no man who is unsure of his beliefs would be willing to face this persecution, Let alone Hundreds of generations doing the same Unless they had that assurance that comes with the Holy Spirit in them, and the Comfort that he brings.

        May God Open your mind to the Truth of the Gospel, and turn your heart of stone into a heart of flesh. In Jesus Name I pray…

      • Jespana
        You mention being Children of God. “…For you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry “ABBA! Father!’ 16. The Spirit HIMSELF bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. 17. and if Children, then heirs- Heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we SUFFER with him in order that we may also be GLORIFIED with him.” (Romans 8:16-17) Note that it is the Holy Spirit that “bears witness” of our status as Children of God. We are Heirs when the Holy Spirit produces fruit in us, for he dwells in us.

        This clearly talks about what John called the comforter, or the Helper. “He will Glorify me, FOR HE WILL TAKE WHAT IS MINE AND DECLARE IT TO YOU.” (John 16:14)

        That is a pretty big promise that No other religion CAN make.

  263. Sorry for walking into something I forever rather to stay away. From all different point of views and all different opinions will get us nowhere. The whole real truth is.. A man was created by Almighty God.. like he has done for Virgin Mary by giving Jesus Christ.. secondly, Almighty God took a rib from a man to create a woman when He saw it is NOT good for a man to be alone.. but needing a helper ( woman )… Women are actually men’s helpers.. and they do not realize that… Thirdly, Virgin Mary is created by Almighty God thru ( not sure which woman …maybe Ruth ?? I have no idea ) … a unique woman and had her to promise to send Mary as a child to chruch for trainings BEFORE submitting her to Him… When she was ready to go home with parents.. and discovered that parents set a meeting for her to see couple of men.. yet she chose Joseph… One day she went to the river.. that is the day Almighty God sent an angel to her directly with message…

    Mind you, every ONE are simply different… good or evil.. but judge them NOT or you will be judged… I apologize for one thing.. I must be brute blunt… I love Almighty God and his ONLY beloved Son, Jesus Christ..
    I might not always be able to understand the bible.. but I do understand the souls.. I might be so dumb to all people who always think so HIGH and mighty because they studied bible where we do not ..will be a pure downfall.. I hate to say that..

    IT does NOT matter WHO we ALL are … IT does NOT matter WHAT religion we all are IN… WE ARE SIMPLY HUMAN BEINGS AND NOT POWERFUL as GOD.. ALMIGHTY GOD KNOWS what he is doing.. and we all are just YAPPING and HARPING something that HE does NOT truly say… nor always agree.. because he is THE SAME>> NEVER CHANGE HIS WORDS…EVER.

    HUMAN beings do change their words… by lying, excuses… murders.. and you name it all.. does THOSE truly FIT IN what ALMIGHTY GOD ASK ??????? Abousately… NO.
    He asked is… ” LOVE THY NEIGHBORS AS THY LOVE THYSELF! ”

    * grumbling at people * Forgive me… I am kinda nowadays no longer able to trust one single human being for ANY reasons after I have been scammed when I paid for a horse to surprise my kids.. and I lost over 3,500 to a scammer… just this month… Does THAT change me? NO.. but taught me ONE THING.. DO NOT TRUST GREEDY PEOPLE… *sigh* Yes I am truly hurt by that alone because I love horses with passion and wanted to share ONE horse to give a rare moments with kids to teach and perparing them in future.. yet… someone out there DARE to scam the money out of my kids’ and mine.

    Does that anger me ? Yes, people anger me… I understood why Almighty God is angered also.. Because people cannot stick to the words LIKE HE DOES!!… * sigh * … Just remember one thing… HUMAN BEINGS ARE WEAK AND ALWAYS FALL SHORT BEFORE ALMIGHTY GOD… and that is REAL fact.. I understood what he is showing me… I am walking every way… Good or bad.. to understand each by experiencing… and to share.. NOT by imagination or lies…

    Anyway, I am sorry… once I read all those conversations… I cannot control the anger that I am all so familiar with that have NO PATIENCE with people who CONUTINE without A CHANGE NOR LEARNING THE LESSIONS WITHOUT JUDGEMENTS… Okay… * calm * Listen, …. people can say anything or point fingers who is evil… who is good… will get them NO WHERE… period.. end of story. …. my heart aches for everyone.. yet angry that everyone take advantage of others who is far poorer and who tried every best possible to be destoryed…

    ODDEST THING, when I found out people scam me for the first time in my entire life and experience… how do I react ? The real truth and let them know either suck up and follow… or return every cents.. or the real final third choice is… FBI and CIA to hunt them down… How do I feel ??? Abousately nothing… not even ONE mercy for ANY… All i know is real pure WRATH.. and SICK AND TIRED of people take advatnage of others who are handicapped or deaf or whatever they are to GET AWAY WITH IT…. yet.. deepest my soul and heart and mind are so extremely calm that I can NEVER ABLE to explain… telling me… : Do not worry, dear… They done wrong to a child of God… and I heard you… They WILL pay by facing me… ”

    I just go with flow… accepting good and bad … try to understand each of both sides… and be able to weight and keep them from destorying… I THANK Almighty GOD through Jesus Christ for hearing me clearly… I thank THEM BOTH for walking with me entire the way … NO MATTER WHAT… now.. you see… there it goes.. ” NO MATTER WHAT” remind me of ONE SMALLEST THING….
    JESUS CHRIST LOVED HIS FATHER… HE WENT EVERY STEP THE WAY TO MAKE FATHER IN HEAVEN HAPPY AND THE LAWS… HE ACCEPTED WHAT AND THE WILL HAVE BE DONE… NOW… look at us… foolish people..dreamer people.. * gentle smile * Ah, yea, I am one of a dreamer people but not ashame to admire and loved Almighty God and HIS BEAUTY CREATION that I can NEVER forget… Anyway… my apogolies for my babblings… Just something comes from within wanted to speak.. so did my flesh in both same time…

    I do NOT care for others who want to come to me in all rightious ways and JUDGING ME.. be warned for THEY WILL BE JUDGED… bottom line.. NO CHANGINGS. I am simple person who have NO love for money nor love for policitions.. am I afraid ?? abousately NO… I am BEYOND the emotions.. and beyond anything except ONE thing… EXCITED TO GO HOME!!!… nothing else…

    I love you all.. I do not care what colors on your skin.. I do not care what language you speak.. i do not care if you are evil or good.. YOU ARE LOVED… SIMPLE!!!!!

    Blessings… I let you speak but mind you, I will NOT ALWAYS walk with self rightious people.. forgive me.. but it does not mean you are stop being loved.. :) Big kisses.. and hugs.. and know that you all are loved..

    Sincerely, Tamera RUIZ…. ( walks away ending the conversations anytime til needed )

    • Hi Tamera
      You said “It does not matter what religion we are in”. Are you saying by this that all religions lead to Almighty God? Jesus said He is the only way to get to the Father, That no one comes to the Father but by me.

      I am just looking fot clarification, for this statement jumped out at me in your comments.

      If any of our comments appeared racist, Trust me this is not the case. I am the son of Legal immigrants. We Just encourage those who come to this country to abide by our laws. My parents did this, and it is not that hard to do. As Christians, we are called to love ALL races and ethnicities. But when it comes to those with a different religion, It is our responsibility as Christians to point them toward Jesus, otherwise their blood will be on our Hands.

      God bless.

      • In the New Age, pointing anyone towards Jesus is hate speech.

        Just saying, and you already know I am not a New Ager. So, I guess I will be there with folks like you when our heads will be chopped off. Try to not be shocked if you see a big white guy blasting the enemy with OO buck, and every third round select slug.

        I realize we are suppose to allow our heads to be cut off, but I’m a sinner.

        • Leatherneck

          To be beheaded is no Christians’ choice.

          It is the choice of our enemies how they slay us.

          Christians will be killed in the tribulation by those who hate them.

          This death is predicted in Revelation 6., at the 5th seal.

          Rev 6:9 ¶ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

          How they die is by beheading predicted in Rev 20

          Rev 20:4 ¶ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

          it also says in Rev 14:7 that the beast will make war with the saints and overcome them.

          So the hate speech will be coming from those who hate Christians, and Jews as well.

          The bible also predicted that there will be those who kill us, thinking they are doing God a favor.

          We just pray that those who would be guilty of this open their eyes and repent, and seek the truth of God.

        • Leatherneck
          I know its not as much “fun” but we do get a sword to defend ourselves with. Just a thought.

  264. general comment to all

    This page is NOT about politics.

    It is only about what the Islamic view of the antichrist is.

  265. I was reading the argument between religions on here. I wasn’t going to put myself into this but I feel I have to now…You are all judging each other based on religion. Truth is that no matter what only God knows what is right and wrong and we should not be the judge of that.

    Jesus said:
    “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others,
    and you will be forgiven.”
    Luke 6:37 (NLT)

    • dear mrose

      Guests who come here have to respect the beliefs of those already here.

      We do not go to other religious sites and cause problems, and we expect those who come here to NOT cause arguments and force their views.

      We here judge righteous judgment, which is different from condemnation.

      1Cr 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

      You also misquote Luke…..it does not say “or it will all come back on you.”

      Forgiveness is also open to all, unless they refuse to repent. Then that is between them and God. there is no forgiveness without repentance.

      Luke 6:37 was also a reference to Matthew 18:21-35. Those he was speaking about in Matthew 18 were hypocrites. While they had the same sin themselves, they would criticize others.

      This passage does NOT apply to those who use the Word of God properly to evaluate the behavior of others.

      This kind of correct activity goes on every day.

      I can judge that someone is a thief because I see him steal, or a liar, because I hear him lie. This kind of judgment is for my protection.

      In the same way, I can judge someone as “wrong” if he contradict the bible and the words of Jesus.

    • mrose
      To point one towards repentence is not judgement. John 3;18 says those that do not believe are “condemned already” to eternal damnation and death. Paul says “therefore testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all of you. for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole councel of God.” Acts 20: 26,27. If we were to Not declare to someone the Gospel, who is clearly on the wrong road, then their blood would be upon us. This means that we have to convict them of their sinfulness, so as to lead to their repentence. It is our obligation as Christians to reach out to the unsaved out of love. In our modern world, where everybody is “right”, it is hard to do this without coming off as being “judgemental”. Some of us hit the point home with a rubber mallet, while others use a verbal shotgun. Sometimes you need a verbal shot gun to get their attention.

      • hi

        for clarification.

        dru is not advocating hurting anyone.

        He is just saying that sometimes more dramatic measures are used when others do not listen.

        a “shotgun” makes more noise, and penetrates deeper into its target….

        so sometimes the use of stronger words are needed in order to help the lost person understand the point better.

  266. Nasser Mouhammad Al Yamani claims to be the imam mahdi. What is your opinion of him and do you believe it is him? I am very interested to know your view. Thanks. By the way I wrote a poem and I would like to know your comments too, it is at my twitter page abduladzim1983.

    • I read the Imam Mahdi will bring Islam to all the world, and anyone that stands in the way will be destroyed.

      is that how you understand the 12th Imam? Also, according to Muhammad, Christ will come to earth to help the 12th Imam turn everyone to worshiping towards the kabaa, or get death.

    • hi abdul

      Give us some links or other information on him, and we will look at it.

      I tried looking on my own, and did not see much.

      • Marianne
        That link below and the English section is incredibly insightful.
        In the following page look at what he says with regard to rapture or resurrection of the dead. The page name is:
        Planet Saqar/Sijil and the Dajjal/false Messiah

        Do not take this one lightly!

  267. sorry, the poem is at wordpress not twitter.

  268. Jennifer.

    In you I see a smiling heart within.

    Beneath that exterior slumber lies a momentous but eternal shine.

    Burning into a passionate rage.

    And the colour of your curves is like a velvet silhouette.

    Enticing unsuspecting some to be believers.

    Believing in the phoenix flame of your seduction.

    But underlying those passions lies a sense of peace.

    Similar to that of looks of a pearl in the doviness of love.

  269. This poem is about a fruit.
    Apple.
    You’re so juicy.
    You’re so firm.
    Your skin is a lovely red covering fleshiness beneath.
    For you are solid with each bite and watery with each chew.
    When I look at you I could almost taste you and I know it’ll be
    oh so good.
    Oh apple,
    Can I have a bite?

  270. http://www.almahdy.eu/forum.php

    there is an international section with english. Any comments on the poems?

  271. Leatherneck, this is what I think. I think that the imam mahdi is a man of peace. Someone who does not fight without reason. The reason that he would fight would be to defend something and that has to be Islam or Muslims. There would then probably be a threat to every muslim life hence the waging of war. I don’t think that people will be forced to worship towards the Ka’aba. When prophet Jesus a.s. is around there’ll be no denying Islam and the whole world will bear testimony that there is no god but Allah and that the prophet Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. However I do not know why the war will start at Afghanistan or maybe it has already started.

    • I do not know the prophet Jesus. The Jesus I know died for human sin on a cross, and sits at the right hand of G-d the Father. The G-d of Noah, Abraham, and Moses.

      The Jesus I know holds the keys to heaven, and earth. He is not, nor never will be Muslim. Allah, or the god, is one of 360 gods at the kabaa. Muhammad made him the only one to be worshiped.

      I support your right to believe as you wish, and I understand Islam does not believe the god can have a son. However, the word made flesh was with G-d the Father at the beginning of creation, and it is the word that lived inside human body of Jesus Christ to be a sacrifice for all human sin.

      Good luck to you,

  272. The imam mahdi a.s. has to be a man who has not commited adultery, has never drank alcohol or eaten the flesh of swine or pork. He has to be of noble character and of virtous character. One who does not curse or swear at others but speak good words to people that he meets. And Allah will protect him against any headshots.

    • hi abdul

      The link you gave does not translate into english. Sorry I do not read arabic. So who is he and where is he from? Saudi Arabia? How old is he? Why do you think it is him, since other men may have these characteristics as well.?

  273. This man is your Mahdi, but what he says is the antithesis of what is Christian. In his cunning he has figured out a way to explain away the rapture, which will occur during his reign. For you Abduladzim, I suggest you look at some Christian perspectives on end times. They will shock you as to how your Mahdi has referenced them in his insights. What we we are entering is what I have called the “false tribulation”. It is primarily a muslim movement. The Dajjal I believe will be a manifestation of Usama bin Laden, as your Mahdi is opposed to Jihad. After conquering him with the help of one who appears to be Jesus, but is not. For the time is not yet right for Christ’s return. This Mahdi’s goal is to deceive your people, So that you will not see that the Truth is in Christianity, and not Islam. Do not be fooled! Iknow you may be a muslim, But it is Christianity that has the Truth.

    • hi dru

      Abdul is presenting what he sincerely believes. He sees mahdi as the leader who will bring peace.

      Yes, we would like him to see our viewpoint also. But that takes time and the work of the holy spirit.

      In the meantime, just pray for him, and ask God to speak to him what the truth is, so he can decided for himself.

  274. Sorry marianne, if you read the page carefully you will find a link which read ‘international section’. Click on it and you will be directed to the English section. I have no idea if it is him. I just want to know what you think since he is saying that, ” I am the Imam Mahdi, hear me roar!” hehehe. Well, he didn’t actually say that but he is bold enough. Hehehe.

    • hi abdul

      I will try again. I am having trouble with my internet being very slow. and not doing what I want right now.

      Someone wrote to me once, and said he lived in Texas, and that he knew he was the madhi. He was not ready yet because he was not 40 years old yet. He said he had visions from God since he was a child.

      • Actually, many people believe or think that they are the one but only God knows. I think that I will know the Mahdi if he talks to me about having met God in a dream or otherwise. I had a dream in which I felt I was raised into the cosmos, saw red galaxies and saw the image of God at the end of the ascension. Said his name and woke up. If I meet him, he should have with him more guidance at that sort of vision and direction and with all the good attributes. I have in my foolish days committed most heavy sins such as alcohol and I know I don’t qualify because I am only a little part arab. I count myself the most blessed person if I am the one but that is wishful thinking and I don’t deserve paradise.

  275. dru2. That is interesting. I respect that you hold firmly to your beliefs and that Christianity is your religion. May I ask you what do you think is our relationship with the ‘Father in Heaven.’ Do you believe that he is the All-Knowing, All-Seeing. Why did he create and why does he choose?

    • Abduladzim
      The Holy Spirit revealed to me some time ago that the Muslim views of endtimes meshed perfectly with Christian endtime views, only the end of the Muslim version is the beginning of the Christian tribulation. The more i looked into it, the More I began to see that all this talk of 2012, and Nibiru, and the Mahdi was to be a false version of the tribulation. As a Christian, I do view Mohammad as a false prophet, as you probably view Christians as being Infidels.
      I know your faith believes that the comforter spoken of by John is Mohammad, But to Christians it is the Holy Spirit. He resides in all the followers of the “way”.
      Our relationship as Christians with the Heavenly Father is as sinners with no means of connecting to God our creator, except by the blood of Jesus who died on the cross to forgive our sinfullness. Jesus being God incarnate (In Human form) was born of the virgin Mary, was crucified, and Rose again the third day to be the Perfect Lamb sacrifice for our sins. This act was an act of love on the part of Almighty God, and is his “gift” of Grace to all Humans, who acknowledge that they are sinful, and cannot unite with God because of their sinfullness, (repentence), and believe that Jesus was and is God in Human form. (this is the trinity, ONE GOD three manifestations thereof, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit)
      I know everything I say above is contradictory to Islam. Islam is the revalation of an angel of light to Mohammad, who could not read or write and dictated to scribes what was heard. This passiveness on the part of your prophet is not how the prophets of the Old testament were. It is to me akin to possesion by a demon, In this case Satan himself.
      I say this not because I want to harm you in anyway, but because my concern is for your soul. God knows all things, and is everywhere, and his Spirit is within those who believe that Jesus is Lord.
      May he lead you in the way everlasting.

    • hi abdul

      In Christianity, the relationship with Yahweh God is personal and intimate. Like a father and child. he created us to love him and serve him with our hearts, freely, without being forced. Just like a human parent. He wants his child to obey him willingly, out of love. Even though the father disciplines the child, he does it with instruction and kindness, to show he does not want to force his love. He chooses us because he loves us and wants our company in heaven with him. He wants us to choose him back, willingly without force. This is what Jesus taught. That love is the basis for the entire law. The law protects us from the evil one, if we obey.

    • You ask why does God create and why does he choose? Simply as the Muslims would say, That is his will. All creation glorifies God with the exception of Fallen man. This is what his redemption is about. He has given his gift to all man, we must however make the choice to receive it. Salvation and redemption are his work, not ours, but the choice remains ours. Why? because God wants us for himself, but only those who desire his will. Though this sounds similar to Muslim thought, understand that Allah is not Yahweh in my thoughts.

  276. Thank you again. I’ve read some parts of the bible before and I was on a journey towards seeking god. I had to understand why. Why has God made us such? Why do we suffer and why do we not get release? Why does God make us suffer and make us weak? Why, is he cruel? It is mentioned that in the bible that seek and you will find. And that God suffers us so that we can go to heaven. I felt the Holy spirit and I found the a connection with the Father in heaven. He loves us and only in our moments of desperation do we really search for him. To everyone he has a decree of their standing in paradise or whether they would go to hell. To each is his religion and if he has shown you that yours is Christianity he has shown you your religion. Though I still don’t understand why he chooses? I guess he lays down paths and expect us to follow them and we are the ones to choose too, he lets us choose.

    • God led you here and now. What you have heard is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Now it is in your hands to choose. I will say no more as it is not my choice to make. May God bless you and guide you to make the righteous choice. I invite you to browse some of Mariannes pages here you will find many answers to your questions.

    • The holy spirit is available to all who seek god in their hearts. It says in the bible that God does not wish anyone to perish, but to have everlasting life with Him. Jesus preached forgiveness of sins to all who are sorry and regret their sins.

      He chooses us because he loved us, before he ever created us.

      He just wants us to love him back.

      We cannot earn our way to heaven, because our good deeds are nothing compared to the holiness of god.

      But jesus said to follow him, because the Father loves him. And if we love Jesus and belong to him in our hearts, God will show us favor and bring us to heaven.

      The Father loves Jesus, because he is pure and holy, and will accept anyone that belongs to Him in their hearts.

      Jesus is before the Father day and night, praying for us.

      So we go to heaven because of “grace,” which is unmerited favor. We cannot earn this on our own.

      It is similar to trying to see a king …….he is too powerful and mighty, and there are guards around the castle.

      But if we are friends with the prince, his son, we are treated with favor, and we can come into the castle and see the king.

      We have no authority or merit. IT is the merit of the prince that gets us inside.

      The same with Jesus.

      Those who belong to him in their hearts, will see the Father in heaven when they leave this earth.

  277. I’ve seen many things then and I saw the wickedness of people. I began fearing for my life and I found that the ministry of the faith is actually a scheming, money making organisation which exploits the disadvantage and that the early christian doctrines of becoming the Lord’s sheep and the Lord as the shepherd are not practised. Christianity was just a sort of secret societial organisation which suits the followers lifestyles. Nobody really believd in God and I feared for my own eternity for God has shown me that my religion is Islam. I was threatened with death indirectly and escaped and now I am diagnosed with paranoid schizoprehnia after which I began hearing voices from Jewish people and am sometimes harassed. I began to uncover some secrets and came to the conclusion that Islam is the only truth. Sorry. Thanks.

    • Hi Abdul

      I understand your complaint.

      The bible predicted that in the last days, where we are now, there would be a great falling away from the faith. There would be sin and apostasy.

      This is what you are seeing.

      It is a very bad situation.

      It shows the human condition without God. People want to reject God, and become their own god.

      Then greed and dishonesty take over, and the person brings shame to God by his actions. He makes others think that those that belong to god are evil, and turns others away from god by his bad actions.

      In a world that needs god’s blessing and protection, we find that those that could give their hearts to god are horrified at the sin they see, and instead of coming to god, they run away.

      Bad people give God a bad reputation, and bring disgrace to him.

      If you go back to the bible, and see the pure love that was there, and how people shared what they had with each other, and were not greedy but generous, you will see the true faith of Jesus and his followers.

      This is what I am. I do not belong to any church that has this corruption. I only belong to God and Jesus. I follow what Jesus taught, and I keep myself away from evil people who bring shame to god with their actions.

      This site here is a place for pure hearts to come, and celebrate and discuss god’s holy Word without any corruption. I hope you notice I never ask for money.

      I do this because I love God, and want to please him.

      I know that God will take care of me if I am pure before him, and do not let money corrupt my life.

      I lead a simple life, and God provides for me.

      This is what jesus taught. He led a simple life too. He did not have a big house and fancy car and lots of money.

      When we go back to live as Jesus did, we will have peace and security.

    • This corruption is not unique to Christianity.

      Look at all the corruption that occurs in Muslim societies. There are current violent protests due to this corruption. People are oppressed and cheated. I know someone in Pakistan who says everyone is corrupt there. Everyone lies and cheats. And innocent people in many countries are murdered due to radical interpretation of the Quran.

      Also, look at Communist countries, and see the corruption.

      Corruption is evident everywhere, in all societies, in all religious groups.

  278. Heck, maybe I am the imam mahdi after all. Hehehe. Sorry, I can’t resist saying that. May God forgive me.

  279. Vertigo, U2.

  280. Jesus rescued her from hell, and saved her life.

  281. Try doing a bit of intelligent research before posting such rubbish on a site. People like you are the one that cause hatred.. In a similar way to what was done to Jews in Auschwitz…

    Get your facts straight.

    • Which facts? The facts that Muhammad murdered, and raped his adult life, or that Archeology proves the god is the moon god Sin?

      Can you be a little more clear please.

    • MD

      Information for this post was taken from Islamic sources.

      If it is rubbish, you should talk to them about it not me.

      There is nothing in my post that is hateful. It is just an academic description of the Mahdi.

    • MD

      Information for this post was taken from Islamic sources.

      If it is rubbish, you should talk to them about it, not me.

      There is nothing in my post that is hateful. It is just an academic description of the Mahdi.

  282. Hey take a look at this article, its hard to understand even with translation, I am curious to see what you think. It involves the aforementioned mahdi taking power in yemen possibly?
    http://www.sanaanews.net/news-7248.htm

    • I have heard of him, but others have claimed to be the mahdi also.

      Apparently, he has been reading about planet X – nibiru and is making “predictions” about it………

      • He is the guy abdulladzim brought up. Seems like he might be connected with the socialist movements, as that was a socialist news site.

  283. Somebody told me that Glenn Beck is holding his rally on the temple Mt? anybody know if this is true, and where on the temple mount?

    • No one in Israel can get on the temple mount.

      I do not see how Glenn Beck is going to get up there.

      I went on a tour once, and the muslims would not let us up there.

      Temple mount of off limits to non-muslims.

  284. According to Glenn Beck’s website it will be held at the Southern wall excavation site. A link to see what is there…
    http://www.bibleplaces.com/southerntm.htm

  285. The ONE that is coming is not the good old Jesus from 2000 years ago. This time Earth will be visited by Lucifer – the MALE of Jesus Christ. This ‘guy’ is known as Melek Taus or Shaitan. He’s the Supreme Being (Kether) who is going to execute ‘The Rapture’ (the seed for the 6th Rootrace). Taus – also named Marduk – is indeed the ‘Selector of Mankind’ and will work with a ‘harvest-rate’ (end of the Kalpa – Taus is also Krishna/Kalki) of, more or less, 10%.

    Considering 7.ooo.ooo.ooo ‘units’ – there will be ‘chosen’ a group of 700 mln. people, from all races and religions, to breed. The others will be excluded from propagation. Taus is like a businessman – who doesn’t work for Him and his Race (the Jinn), that means ‘digging alchemistic gold/amrita’, will not find a future in one of His Worlds. On the other hand – those who work the way He wants to see it, are rewarded. As the Males are selected to breed, Meleks Extacy Reward is imaginable.

    Who likes to know something more about The Lord of The World: In the book ‘Al Jilwah’ and the Alchemy-guide ‘Qutub’ you can find some tecnical information.

    • Lucifer already is visiting this world. It is called the world system, with pagan religions stating works will get you to heaven not the blood of the word of G-d made flesh.

      Marduk is Nimrod worship, or the son of the Sun god worship. Lucifer’s man on earth. If you bothered to read any Archeology from southern Iraq, you will find Marduk worship. You will also find the Queen of Heaven worship, along with Tammuz the moon god. His is also known as Sin, or Allah. The false Trinity, and the bases of all pagan religions.

      If you have any questions, I can help you.

      • The visitation of Lucifer/Marduk refers to planet X or also planet Marduk. There are some indications that this celestial body will come to Earth to ‘select’ Mankind. The Queen of Heaven – Innana – can also be found in the Necronomicon, just like the fifty names of Marduk. Some people believe that when just one person discovers the secret of Life (Philosofical Egg/Filius Macrocosmi), God will renew the whole Creation – that sounds like a ‘New Earth and Heaven’. This idea can be found in the ‘Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy’. This statement is based on the ‘Mechanical God’ – somebody proofs to have more creativity than the ‘old’ God and will assume the position, becoming the ‘new’ God. This means that Mankind produces his own God who will pass through the process of evolution , just like Mankind does (God is a Living God). In this way, God is a kind of ‘Zeitgeist’ – changing from Aeon to Aeon.

        • leatherneck

          FYI

          Taus believes in the Necronomicon, which reflects the Babylonian / Sumerian pagan religious system. Although this Necronomicon is a book that the internet claims is fiction, many adhere to it.

          This is an ancient system that has been around for thousands of years, and precedes Christianity.

          They believe that Christianity developed from their system, will disappear soon, and will be re-absorbed back into the Babylonian system.

          It is based on “good magic.” There are good forces and bad forces. They are the good ones.

          Here is one blog about it.
          http://warlockasylum.wordpress.com/

          It is my impression that they believe they are descendants of the ancient gods, but others can join their tradition.

          They consider Satan a weak component of the Christian theological system.

          They believe in astrology.

  286. Astrology is knowledge of the Macrocosmic Body we belong to – Man can be seen as the Microcosmos. Together – the Whole is one Immortal Body in which we can find destructive and constructive forces. Both are essencial to maintain the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and Rebirth. There are no ‘good or bad’ forces. There are forces and each of them has a function in the Body as a whole. Without ‘evil/darkness’ there can not exist ‘good/light’ – It’s all a mirrorfuncion that we know as Ying/Yang. God (as God is an Androgyn Being) is ‘married’ with Satan – they are each other complement, War is good – Death is good – those are instruments of Natural selection; the base of any evolutionary process. The Body always seeks a ‘higher perfection’ – this is the nature of Life.

    About Paganism and Non-Paganism: This is another ‘lullaby’. Religion is based on the knowledge of the Natural Laws that are important to survive as a species. Religion is the sciense of Human Nature considering that each Man is a fractal of the God-body. Who takes a look at the current and ancient worldreligions (the work ‘Rivers of Life’ (Forlong) is rather informative) may discover that they are all based on the same. Religion is ‘discovering yourself’ and is associated with ‘Magic’ because Man doesn’t understand all the forces that can be found in his consciousness (He doesn’t ‘know’ the man in the mirror = his ‘evil’ side), After Man discovers the action of a certain process (Law of nature) and he learns how to dominate this force, the religion has become science.

    Mankind is the ‘Mirror of God’. Everyday The Immortal One learns more and more about Himself, watching how his ‘children’ (fractals = pieces of His DNA) do behave. Mankind is The Bride of God. We have the God we deserve (together we are God) and God has the ‘Wife’ he deserves. It’s a ‘hate-love’ relation, just like the essence of Sex has violent roots. To eat (male) or to be eaten (female). Kundalini – the Serpent of Sex is the God of this Planet.

    • This is a Christian website, and most here support your right to believe in falsehood.

      Best of luck to you,

      L.

      • “Look into the mirror”.

        Jesus said: “I did not come to bring peace, but a Sword”.
        That means WAR = Jesus is OK.

        Taus says: War is Good. Isn’t that OK ?

        Jesus said: “The Seed doesn’t come to life unless it dies first”.
        That means that you have to die to find Life = Jesus is OK.

        Taus says: Death is Good. Isn’t that OK ?

        Jesus said: “Do not judge and will not be judged”

        Jesus talked about ‘Religion’, about the science of tomorrow.
        “Then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil”. It’s about The Tree of Life = Kaballa = Transforming yourself into an Adam Kadmon. The Alchemy of Life – the only reason that you people do exist. To become ‘As Gods’.
        But to ‘become a God’, first the mortal Man (your ego/flesh) has to die. Judgement Day will kill the mortal fraction of Mankind (the Ego) and those who will be left (the ‘chosen ones’) will gain immortality.

        A new Adam kadmon will be born, the next step in Human Evolution,
        That is why the ‘old’ Adam (Jesus) had to die. He is/was ‘modernizing’ His ‘sheepflock’ (DNA) using Alchemistic Knowledge = Science of the Creation. The Bible is an Alchemistic Guide. Tecnology of the Trinity – Mind, Soul and Body. About you and me. We are One.

  287. Jesus is/was the Filius Microcosmi (the Female representation of YHWH – corresponding with Binah). As ‘YHWH in the flesh’ – He came to SAVE Mankind, not all the individuals but the species of Homo Sapiens = the ‘claymade’ Adam and Eve. He is/was The Saviour of Man. Jesus’ work was to protect Man against the tempations of Shaitan. Without His Sacrifice (He paid a part of the ‘Karma’ that Man has accumulated during The Great Year/Aeon/Kalpa) ‘no flesh would remain’ during the Last Judgement. He told us how to survive the Day of the Lord and was also the ‘sin-bearer’.

    Lucifer, the coming One, is the Filius Macrocosmi and His task is to SELECT the ‘Adams and Eves’ worthy to enter into the ‘Kingdom of Heaven’. Where Jesus seeks TO PROTECT/SAVE – Lucifer comes to KILL/DESTROY. Lucifer/Jesus are One Being, and this is the system that the Immortal One has developed to ‘classify’ the ‘sheepflock’ = DNA-fractals.

    The work of Lucifer/Shaitan is to DECEIVE. People without ‘quality’ won’t resist the temptations. That is the way YHWH (Jesus/Lucifer together) select the ‘few ones’ that may become immortal. Opposite forces (ying/yang), together One (YHWH). If YHWH doesn’t select very well who may ‘enter’ into the Immortal part of the Body, the spiritual integrity of the Trinity will be compromised!

    I can imagine that the idea that Jesus and Lucifer/Shaitan are ‘brothers’ is a little bit strange to most people but that’s the way Nature selects ‘her’ children. Life is a ‘test’ inside a 3 Dimensional Cube (Metatrons Cube) to see if you have learned something about Love and Understanding.

    • hi Taus

      The bible teaches that Jesus will cast Lucifer / Satan into the lake of fire at the final judgment.

      This would remove part of this “brother system” you have.

      So it is not a cooperation between Jesus and Satan, but a competition.

      How does that fit into your views? Can you resolve that?

  288. Dear Marianne,

    Let me tell the whole case in a different way. Lucifer and Jesus DO COMPETE. Both wants your Immortal SOUL. With Jesus you will go to ‘Heaven’ and those who fall for the temptations of Lucifer will go to the ‘Bottomless Pit’. Jesus (‘God’) and Lucifer (‘Satan’) ARE ONE HERMETIC BODY. It is like a little bit like JOB. Satan (call Him the Anti-Christ because ying/yang are fully mirrored functions) and God had a competition about the faith of JOB. God allowed Satan to test JOB. JOB didn’t lost His faith in GOD and was, after being tested, Rewarded by GOD. This is the way it goes in life.

    If you take a look on Internet about ‘Hermetics’ and the words ‘Filius Micro- and Macrocosmi’, you’ll find the idea that ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are mirrored functions. The ‘casted Satan’ (Apocalypse) refers to the end of the strong ‘selection’-period that we are passing right now. It is called the ‘Kali-yuga’ and the purpose is to ‘create’ (in fact it is a mutation) a New Mankind (the 6th Rootrace).

    Shaitan (Melek Taus) has many names – you may know Him as Krishna or (Apocalypse) Kalki. In that sense KRISHNA and JESUS are ‘brothers’ whereby Jesus is the ‘female’ and Krishna is the ‘male’ aspect of the Hermetic Body we call YHWH.

    I can’t explain it better than this. When you take a look on the Internet, you will find more information about my statements. Satan always ‘hides’ The Truth and only those who do not stop searching for it, will find it. It is the function of Satan/Lucifer (The System/World) to make you people get lost into the Darkness (= lack of knowledge). That is the whole mechanism of the Natural Selection. YHWH wants you TO DEVELOP YOUR MIND BY THINKING FOR YOURSELF.

    “The Truth is stranger than you can ever imagine”.

    Taus.

  289. Taus
    Adam was created in the image of God. God is fully righteous, rational, and “is” Love. There is no “dark side” to Yahweh. Adam however was NOT God, in that he had no knowledge of “good nor evil”, Instead he lived in righteous communion with God. God on the other hand “knows all things” including rebellion and evil. Though he has knowledge of “Good and evil”, He is righteous, and does not need a law to tell him how to act. Hence the deception of Lucifer and original sin. Man was not created to be equal with God, but rather to commune with him in righteousness. The only way that this can be restored is Jesus, who is God incarnate, dying on the cross as a righteous sacrifice to undo the sin of Adam. Had Satan known the plan of God, he would not have had him Killed. Now by way of the cross, Humans have a means to return to the created order of thing and acting in communion with God. This is what being a new creation is all about. We do not become equal with God as Satan’s deception desired of us to strive for, but we return to a state of being “fully Human”, Of reacting to the righteousness and Love of God, righteously. Satan truly has no clue of the Lord’s plans, and how he will accomplish this in the End. For he Knows only Good and Evil and does not understand righteousness. As Humans will become Christlike, but not gods, rather The bride of Christ.
    So when you say ” without darkness and evil, there cannot exist goodness and light” it fails to take into consideration love and righteousness. For They exist apart from “good and evil”.

  290. As you can read in the Holy Qur’an, during the End of Times YHWH will not only judge the Homo Sapiens but also another Race that lives on this planet as well and what is also known as ‘God’s Other People’.

    This ancient Race is called the GENII but you might have heard about this People as The Djinn.

    That is what I am. You are a Homo Sapiens, I am not. You belief in the Christ, I also do (I was baptised in a Katholic Church) but my Race (as it is much older) has far more knowledge about the Creation.

    Our Races do know each other from the time that Solomon built the (2nd) Temple. As we both have to survive on this planet, my Race is quite content that YHWH will reduce the amount of Homo Sapiens. You people are extremely destructive and have to be stopped because other Living Beings (like Djinn but I can also say Whales, Tigers, Trees) also have the right to live.

    Too many Homo Sapiens, as they have no control about their material desires, are like a disease (plague is a better word). That is why YHWH will eliminate those who only think about material things. For the Djinn the Rules of the Natural Selection are exactly the same. Djinn that do not know to respect and to serve YHWH will be eliminated as well.

    As you see, Truth is stranger than you can imagine. After the “Day of the Lord”, my Race and your Race are supposed to live together. That is what YHWH – The Great Architect – has planned. You people are not alone.

    Homo Sapiens and Genii will be ‘mixed up’ in the 6th Rootrace. Everything will change. As your Race is waiting for Judgement Day, so is mine.

    This information is correct as we are better informed about the ‘coming things’. My people have telephatic skills, you people are going to develop those skills in the future. Jesus could read the minds of the people, He belongs to what you call ‘ the advanced races’. Jesus wasn’t a Homo Sapiens, Krishna wasn’t a Homo Sapiens, Buddha wasn’t a Homo Sapiens but Mohammed was a Homo Sapiens. There a much more Races than you know. Think about it. The time for you people tp meet the ‘other people’ has come. The Future is now.

    • Taus

      Well, that explains why you believe what you do.

      Are you a friend of warlock asylum?

      What assurance do you have that you will be judged worthy to continue?

    • Taus
      So you are a djinn? do you have wings? How did you get out of the Hollow earth?
      Jesus is God incarnate, and I have zero doubts about this, as the Holy Spirit resides in me. The Holy Spirit testifies to me of the truth of this, Just as it has revealed your deceptions which you have planned. Those who have the Spirit of God in them will not be fooled.

  291. Marianne,

    I have knowledge about all those kind of things. If you want to read a very interesting work about Magic I do recommend The Picatrix.

    In fact, Jesus is/was a Magician – that is why there came three Magi to Bethlehem. Jesus had his Third Eye (pineal gland) activated which gives you the power to transform the material world. Also had Buddha: their ‘miracles’ are based on Knowledge of the Creation, skills that Man will learn/develop in the future.

    Who enters into the ‘Kingdom of God’ (Kundalini-awakening) becomes a Co-creator like Jesus or Buddha. Mohammed wasn’t able to execute ‘miracles’. His level of knowledge did not permit him to do so.

    Everybody has the organs to become a ‘magician’ but you have to exercise your mind. That is what the Future Homo Sapiens is going to do.

    My surviving is related with the quality of my work. The jobs I have to fulfill are told to me by telepathic means, (Jesus spoke about ‘His Father’ – It is all the same). We have a much higher level of social organisation. As we do not live fully in the same dimension as you people – our judgement has already passed (another timeschedule) – while the Judgement for the Homo Sapiens will start between 2012 and 2016.

    The Universe is built in ‘layers’ of different energylevels (the String-theory). Each layer has his own living beings. An ant can not imagine the world of a horse, an ape can not imagine the world of a Homo Sapiens and a Homo Sapiens can not imagine the world of a Djinn = Three different levels of Gods Creation.

    The ‘End of Times’ is a Quantum Leap for you people. You will ‘awaken’ in the ‘next’ dimension – the ‘place’ where we are. If you read the prophecy of Johann Friede you may have a idea what is going to happen.

    The Day of The Lord is an unimaginable event that will take place around 2030. Be prepared.

    Taus.

    • what is the difference between 2012-2016 and 2030?

      Why do you identify yourself with the Shaitan (Melek Taus)?
      Is that the side you favor?

  292. Last posting.

    The Holy Ghost? The Holy Spirit?

    What is a Ghost and what is a Spirit. I will tell you. That’s the energy that comes from above the Abyss (Kether-Chochmah-Binah). Exactly the place where you people can find Jesus/Lucifer – or Krishna as you wish – the Supreme Being of this Creation. You people are created from MUD, while a Djinn is made of ‘smokeless fire’ – you call it ‘Plasma’ or ‘Black Matter’.

    Don’t be ignorant – if you have no knowledge, you’ll have no power.

    That is all I have to say. Think about it because the times are changing.

    • taus
      You did not answer my other questions. You claim to be a djinn, prove it.

      You claim to be telepathic, I am writing four numbers in a pad right now, what are they?
      The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God Himself. Whereas the djinn are fallen angels, and their spirits. That is a big difference.
      What I need to know is if I am speaking to an actual djinn, or someone possesed by a djinn Spirit? I don’t deny their existence, But those spirits are so much less than the Holy Spirit, and any transformation they bring to Humans is so much less than the transformation the Holy Spirit can bring.

    • Taus and Dru

      Like Taus said, no knowledge, no power.

      Taus does not have the knowledge to answer our questions.

      Most spirits like this are very evasive.

  293. The only proof I can give you to be a Djinn is that everthing I wrote in this side about the future will happen, because it is not me but ‘The Holy Spirit’ who is commanding my actions/words. I am just doing my work.

    The task of my Race is to guide, select and maintain your race strong, healthy and each time more intelligent. That is why there is ‘sexual intercourse’. The ‘Fallen Angels’ are Djinn who ‘inject’ DNA of a superior quality into the Human DNA. The Holy Bloodline of Jesus/Maria Magdalena is a ‘intercrossing’ of our two Races, ‘upgrading’ the intelligence of Man.

    Jesus was also a ‘Fallen Angel’. As ‘Angels’ (Enlighted Beings) are all Male, we only can have children with the daughters of Man. This is the way that YHWH (Read ‘Mother Nature’) forces my Race to ‘breed’ with your Race.

    You must understand that we all exist in a Holografic Universe (in fact, everything only ‘exist’ inside your brains where your personal ‘Light’ – level of understanding – rules the things you can or can not see). The whole creation does exist in ‘The Holy Spirit of God’ and inside each creature lives a small piece of those Giant ‘Holy Spirit’. Together, summing all those little pieces of the ‘Holy Spirit’ in all being = The Holy Spirit of God.

    As I told you, no-one is like the other but together we are ONE. Also, no-one of Gods Creatures is Perfect, but all together (= GOD), we are Perfect. If you like tou read some more information that I have written, take a look on the next side. You’ll find some tecnical postings from Taus.

    http://www.marduk.org/marduknibiruplanet-x-event-timeline/

    About the coming Quantum Leap I would indicate the next information.

    http://www.heartcom.org/GalacticShift.htm

    Once again – this posting do belong to my job. There are people (never read something about the 144.000 who came with Sanat Kumara ?) all over the world informing your Race about the things that will come. Those things are really coming, today it looks funny or surrealistic but when it is really going on – Mankind will cry out loud = like a newborn baby.

    Taus.

    • Taus

      Jesus was not a fallen angel. Fallen angels are rejected by God. Hybrids created by illicit unions were destroyed in the Flood, and will be destroyed again.

      Only those redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, Jesus, have the Holy Spirit. Since you are fallen, you lack this.

      I acknowledge that you exist, and what you are, but I am not ONE with you.

      A collection of created beings do not equal God. He is above us all.

      Yes, those not in right standing with God will cry ….but only those who repent of their ways will be saved.

      • Taus
        The Holy Spirit in me is in agreement with what Marianne said, I am one with the Spirit in her.

        It was the “righteous man” who brought your plea before God. Your plea was rejected, and the time of your judgement is near. Righteousness exists apart from “good and evil”. Jesus was God incarnate, not one of the fallen angels. Yes your kind are referred to as sons of God, But you were created by God, Jesus was from the beginning. He lived in human form as a Holy and Righteous, deserving not death on the cross, but glorification. His death was a sacrifice made for the sins of Man. It is only through acknowledgement of this sacrifice that man can be redeemed from the sin brought on by the serpents deception. The Holy Spirit in Us is God with us. We cannot become gods ourselves, but when we abide with the Holy Spirit, we are abiding in righteousness. When you deny that the Holy Spirit is God, you are blaspheming God, which is indicative of fallen angels. This is why we need to know if you are a spirit inhabiting a man, as your blasphemy is condemning that man or woman to commit this “unforgivable sin”.

        Jesus rose again and was glorified on the third day, He took on the punishment which we who believe deserved for our sinfulness, and clothed us in his righteousness. And by his resurrection, we know that we also will be glorified in him. Your kind on the otherhand, have polluted their eternal selves with the carnality of human flesh. You went from a position of glorification to a position of eternal darkness. You once had what we now hope and live for. This is something you can no longer attain as you rejected it to begin with.

  294. You must understand that we all exist in a Holografic Universe (in fact, everything only ‘exist’ inside your brains where your personal ‘Light’ – level of understanding – rules the things you can or can not see). The whole creation does exist in ‘The Holy Spirit of God’ and inside each creature lives a small piece of those Giant ‘Holy Spirit’. Together, summing all those little pieces of the ‘Holy Spirit’ in all being = The Holy Spirit of God.

    As I told you, no-one is like the other but together we are ONE. Also, no-one of Gods Creatures is Perfect, but all together (= GOD), we are Perfect. If you like tou read some more information that I have written, take a look on the next side. You’ll find some tecnical postings from Taus.

    http://www.marduk.org/marduknibiruplanet-x-event-timeline/

    About the coming Quantum Leap I would indicate the next information.

    http://www.heartcom.org/GalacticShift.htm

    Once again – writing this postings is my job. There are people (never read something about the 144.000 who came with Sanat Kumara ?) all over the world informing your Race about the things that will come. Those things are really coming, today it looks funny or surrealistic but when it is really going on – Mankind will cry out loud = like a newborn baby.

    Taus.

  295. Just thought I would put this up. I am not saying that Prince Charles is the AC. It is just kind of funny though, when we were talking about the “restrainer” under a different format, the Coat of Arms of Prince Charles came to mind due to the fact that a white unicorn with a gold chain around it’s neck was attached to a ring called a “restrainer”. Now talks about winged demons and if that is a possiblity for the AC. With that in mind, I submit this picture with an attached article from 2004. Like I said above, I have no clue if Prince Charles could be the AC and I am not saying that. I just think that all of this is very interesting:

    http://www.freewebs.com/princecharlesrevelations/Prince_Charles_Statute.jpeg

    Prn? – ince Charles ‘the winged hero’

    NEWS BRIEF: “Winged Prince is ‘Savior of the World’ “, Fox News Life, March 7, 2002.

    “LONDON — The Prince of Wales is to be immortalized in bronze as a muscular, winged god dressed in nothing more than a loincloth. He will be the first living member of the Royal Family to have a life-size statue dedicated in his honor. Although the Prince is destined to become Defender of the Faith when he becomes King of England, the inscription on the statue in Brazil will honor him as ‘Savior of the World’.” [Emphasis added]
    This designation just reeks of the title Antichrist is planning to take upon himself when he appears on the world scene. He will come striding though the smoke, dust, and destruction of the planned Third World War [NEWS1056] to establish “peace and safety”, amidst great “lying signs and wonders”. He will deceive the entire population of the world — except for God’s Elect — because a mighty demonic spirit of lying and deception will blow through the world at the time he appears.

    Let us go back to this article:
    “He is shown naked, apart from the loincloth, with giant, angel-like wings protruding from his back. His arms are extended as if offering comfort and security. The statue will dominate the town square, to be named after the Prince, in Palmas, the state capital of Tocantins on the edge of the rainforest. The sculpture, which will invite comparisons with the statue of Christ overlooking Rio de Janeiro from Corcovado, is set on a marble base. At its feet is an untidy mass of human bodies, one drinking from a bottle of wine, which is said to represent the world in a mess which the Prince is busy saving.”
    If you look closely at this statute, you can see the teeming mass of humanity mired in what looks like mud, looking up expectantly at this winged Prince Charles. Since Winged Charles is so much larger than the people below, he looks positively huge in comparison. He looks divine; coming to “rescue” mankind, to give us “peace and safety”.
    “Jose Wilson Sequeira Campos, the Governor of Tocantins, in central Brazil, said: ‘It is Prince Charles saving the world. We think he is deserving of it.’ While the muscular physique of the statue, complete with bulging pectorals, may not immediately shout Prince Charles, the facial features are unmistakable, even if he has a full head of hair and small, pinned back ears.”
    Prince Charles saving the world? Many people remember him as being proud and haughty, and mean to the beloved Princess Diana; however, Charles traveled a long way back in many people’s minds when he went to Diana’s defense against the Mother Queen, after Di had been killed. Further, remember that the man who will ultimately be Antichrist will be a practitioner of Black Magick Witchcraft, just as Daniel 8:23-25 foretells; therefore, he will absolutely ooze charm once he appears on earth, for there are powerful charm rituals guaranteed to “charm” anyone not saved by the Blood of the Lamb.

    • Al
      I think it is Mayan or Incan culture that believed creation began in “Cinotes”, or underground in caves. It all ties together, doesn’t it? The serpent will be released soon. released for their final judgement. (2 peter 2:4-5) I suggest that anyone dealing with this read 2 Peter in its entirety, paying close attention to who it it is written to, and for what purpose. “make your calling and election sure”

    • Someone has certainly turned Charles into a divine romantic figure.

      I am not sure anyone will see him this way, but you never know.

  296. I had a dream three days ago in which I had relations with a djinn and held its baby the next night in another dream. The djinn was female. The Holy Spirit does not reside in me anymore. I think the djinns are opening themselves to humans. I think many people will be possessed from now on. Even dajjal (the one who will proclaim himself as God and mislead) will be a man who will be possessed by the the dajjal demon for 37 days. Well Taus… Do you have curly hair and are you muscularly built?

    • dear abdul

      I am concerned about your dream.

      Sometimes, the devil can first influence us in our dreams, to make seduction more possible later.

      I will keep you in my prayers.

  297. Thanks Marriane. But I believe that people like Taus are able to relate to demons, use magic and he might be a tool from the Dajjal. All he needs to do is to link up with the group which are at the top. If he is number 41, the final dajjal, then the second coming of the prophet Jesus is earlier than expected. If he is not then he could be another possible minor dajjal. All he needs is a healthy crop of curly hair and an awesome muscular body and we could celebrate. I was number 14.

    • abdul

      I don’t think you understand my view. I would not want to celebrate Taus for any reason. he is from the dark side, not heaven.

      What do you mean you were number 14? I do not understand your culture.

  298. The major signs of Qiyamat or the coming of Judgement Day in Islam is the appearance of the Imam Mahdi, Dajjal the Antichrist and the prohet and messenger Jesus alaihisalam. Imam Mahdi will appearance will be known when he reaches the age of forty and his name will be muhammad or ahmad. There will be a major war and Dajjal will appear during this war and proclaim he is god and mislead many. Then Jesus will come down from the heavens into the world to kill the Dajjal. Preceeding the Dajjal will be forty minor Dajjals each believing he or she is a prophet and create bidaah or false teachings and each believing that he is a prophet. I was one of them and I was the fourteenth out of the forty. I do not know what the number is now, only the freemasons do that is why they are starting wars now. The reason that I would ‘celebrate’ is because both the Imam Mahdi and Jesus will appear if Taus is muscularly built and has curly hair and is the last would be possesed Dajjal. However now I don’t think he is.

  299. In the still of the night,
    Lurks a mysterious stranger.
    Watching, looking, eating cheeseburgers.
    And then it was spilt.
    Out of a can of coca-cola.
    Aah… Enjoy.

  300. Are you there marriane?

  301. I like you too.

  302. Can I ask you marriane what do you pray for each day?

    • hi abdul

      I pray to know God’s will in my life, and to serve him in a pure and holy way, so that others can know the truth and presence of God in their lives.

      I pray for others:
      knowledge of Jesus as Messiah / Savior – we call this “salvation”
      healing from sickness
      helping the poor
      deliverance from demonic oppression
      victory against satan and his plan
      protection, provision, and presence of God in people’s lives
      restoration of marriages, and families
      help in legal battles
      rescue of those who are persecuted
      defense of the innocent
      that the glory of God will cover the earth

      I have over 400 people on my prayer list.

  303. I am confused. I feel delivered from sadness and sorrow and had peace of heart whilst converting but I strongly believe that life eternal in paradise lies in not converting. My heart yearns for the worship of god and I can only truely be myself if I am on the path of being one with god. But I can never forsake Islam for I know that it is true.

  304. I guess what I am lacking of is true love. Life is a hard battle.

    • abduladzim
      Hello Again. Jesus is true Love! He is the ONLY “way” to the Father, as he and the Father are ONE. No other religion can claim that besides Christianity.

  305. The prophet Muhammad had the noblest of character and even before his prophethood he was known as the Al-Ameen. The most trustworthy one by his people and all that knew him.

  306. Spirit of sorrow has passed.

  307. I pray for a different world system. Where everyone can get the chance to grow their own food. Barter what they’ve got, where everyone can build their own homes and not have to pay taxes. Where everyone use oil lamps instead of electricity, where steam engines are put back to use and crude oil is no longer needed. And where noone has to race against each other just to earn a living and each government’s job is only to look into the welfare and well-being of its citizen. Where the New World Order is peace and there is only one king, God.

  308. What do you think?

  309. And the wolf prowls under the cover of the bushes.
    The ferocious beast is hungry as ever.
    Saliva dripping from his lips as he gazes.
    He knows the time is near.
    Breakfast was good, he missed lunch.
    But he will not miss dinner.
    Snort, snort, snort, goes porky pig.
    And as quick as he is hungry,
    The wolf huffed and puffed,
    a cigarette.

  310. Hehehe. I’m a smoker. I guess you do not like smokers. I’m trying to quit though. Maybe by next month I’ll be free from nicotine.

  311. Light over darkness, courage over fear. Love over hatred. Why can’t we be friends? oh, why can’t we be friends? Things would be easier if there is a law enforcing friendliness towards each other and emphathy instead of bickering over trivial matters. True love unites and it comes from the heart. I’m contradicting myself aren’t I? By the way marianne, how are you?

  312. Are the handsome man and pretty lady between you in the picture your kids?

  313. I mean are the handsome man and pretty lady beside you your kids? Or are they your friends? How old are you marianne?

  314. In the picture I mean..

  315. Are you there marianne?

  316. How is he or she? Is the person feeling okay now?

  317. I am sorry to hear that. I was talking about the person you sent to the doctor. What are you suffering from marianne?

  318. eclipses already have happened and Mahdi is here. look up infor on Mahdi on Harun Yayah website

  319. And depression sinks in.
    Emotions yet perturbed embedded by coils of over conscious awareness at the desperateness of self.
    Giving rise to overwhelming sadness as weakness grows.
    Seeing the masses constantly moving to and away only but pushes the mind towards insanity and tolerance levels are but desperately low.
    Will I find myself?
    The me that was lost.
    The one I’ve known.
    It’s the forsakenness of losing the love of God.
    Losing heart, mind and soul to the depths of bottomless hell.

    • hi abdul

      You do not have to feel lost. That is why Jesus came, to make sure the way to the Father in heaven. if you put your trust in Jesus, you will never be forsaken by God.

  320. Hello!

    2006 – 2007 + Mahdi emerges from hiding/seclusion as the new Khaleefah [1427] to rule for seven (7)yrs.

    * So he emerges from hiding place but not yet to world. Only to 12 or 313. So he will not start to rule yet 2007 but later. His seven years ruling period will start later; maybe 2013-2015.

    He will be revealed first to the Inner Circle of 12 and then to the 313 Mujahidin of the Mahdi (or Taliyah Al-mahdi);

    * So that might have happened 2006-2007.

    2013 – Mahdi’s armies will fight Dajjal and his army in a great battle [Sura al-Qiyamah Ayaat 7-9];

    * Wrong conclusion. If the Mahdis ruling period is 2013-2020; then Dajjal that is Antichrist will rule seven years after that 2021-2027 and then KIngdom of God will arrive 2028 after Jesus (Isa) has won Antichist.

    2014 – Mahdi/Islamic followers seek to conquer the world for Islam – as a result, all people will recite and follow one Kalimah [word] and one religion [Islam]

    * Wrong conclusion. According to Hadiths Mahdi will reunite muslims only. Jesus works with Mahdi. Many nonbelievers will turn to islam when they see everything happen. But not all. And according to Hadiths Mahdi only rules seven years and Jesus is with him after 2-4 years (I am not sure) of his ruling period. They will prepare themselves to fight against Antichrist. But after 7 years ruling Mahdi is gone and Antichrist will appear with miracles to rule seven years. (It is wrong /missunderstandig that West or world is Antichrist, Antichrist is person according to Tess. Some muslims tend to think west is evil but most muslims know about Antichrist enough.)
    When Antichrist have ruled seven years Jesus will destroy him and after that Kingdom of God arrives and Mahdi and Jesus are together.

    I wonder if they think they are on schedule. I have not seen an Imam Mahdi yet. Notice he is to rule for 7 years. Does this sound familiar to Christians?

    * Schedule is allright and precisly on time. 2003 there were signs on moon; Father’s day moon late autum was all colored red like blood. Many did not see it because it happend about 4 o’clock before sun rose. It was not only red but had yellow round down of it.

    “It has been noted in many Hadith that during his occultation, – the Mahdi is similar to the sun obstructed by the clouds.
    In this state the naked eye can detect the rays of the sun shining from behind the clouds. As stated by Imam Ali in Nahju’l
    -Balaghah (#150):

    This year 2011 was the year of clouds and sun. I have got photographs of clouds and sun comin through the clouds. I have used my summer photographing clouds which have bee extraordinary this year. I have never seen such clouds with the lightshow during my lifetime.

    There are many wrong ideas of what Mahdi is about. When I tried to Google the ten first pages told it all about. They told what Hadiths say about Mahdi. They are probably sunnis not shiias but it takes less than couple hours to know all about Mahdi if you use Google.

    Shiite muslims seems to have correct timing but only sunnis know what is going to happen.

    Greetings!

    • hi Tapio

      I sounds like the muslims are on the same schedule as I would expect, from what I see in the world events, and as interpreted by bible prophecy.

      One thing is puzzling to me, which is not consistent with the bible.

      Why do you expect the Dajal to follow the Mahdi, instead of preceding him?

      this makes the Mahdi look defeated by the Dajal.

      I would expect the opposite to occur.

      blessings

  321. Hello,

    Those hadits sunnis use mention that Mahdi will be gone (do not know where) and Antichrist will appear. There will not be kind of war that shiias excepct according to hadits. The war will be in Arabia. Between Medina and Mecca. And Syria will sent forces between Medina and Mecca but they will be swallowed by Earth. And Mahdi will attack Iran and so on. Local war. Purpose to reunite all muslims. That is according the hadits I Googled. Can give you links later if you want to be sure.

    But Mahdi will make great things. Nature will obey him and there is going to be wealthy and peace. Richdom. Great crops of corn. Reason I think is that according to Luke there is going to be moment when: sorrowed shall laugh, rich shall be poor and poor shall be rich and so on. Woe to rich, woe to those who laugh. Kind of NWO. No-one knows the moment when it is going to happen. The change (is going to come, Bob Dylan). Mahdi makes sure we can not be sure. We can not calculate before hand.

    My personal favourite explantion is that he is going to show what truth could have offered everyone. What it would have meant if everyone had accepted prophets (OT prophets, Jesus, Muhammad (SAAS). How things would have been to everyone if we had chosen the truth. Remeber according to Thessalonikans Antichrist is sent by God to make those loose who have chosen lies and not the truth. Antichrist shall make sure all those are punished that do not accept truth, Jesus and spirit of truth Muhammad (SAAS).

    According to hadiths Mahdi shall make everyone rich and nature will give whatever heaven calls (Hosea). Heaven shall call and earth will answer.
    But he shall have power only seven years. And then comes Antichrist.

    Perhaps I later give links to those hadith pages but remember shiias have different opinion than sunnis.

    Greetings.

    • dear Tapio

      If the Mahdi comes before the Dajal for 7 years, then he is followed by the antichrist ( Dajal) then WHO defeats the Dajal, if the Mahdi is no longer around or in power?

      If Jesus comes with Mahdi, what is he doing the entire time the Dajal is in power?

  322. Hello,

    I used less than two hours to read what I found about Mahdi using Google. About ten first result pages. They did not tell what is the role of Jesus or Christ. I guess we have to try to find the answer reading Bible for instance Zecharias 3-4 or Revelation 11. I know only little. I do not want to use my time for further investigations. I just keep on waiting if something is really going to happen now or in the future. One page I found had different timing. According to it we have to wait another thousand years before Mahdi comes? I do not know.

    Greetings.

  323. There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
    With clear proof which is the Quran.
    Guidance of truths which sets into hearts believing.
    But only to those hearts which are straight.
    Hearts believing.
    Only to those who are and who will be muslims.
    The god of Abraham.
    The god of those after him.
    The god All-Seeing.

  324. Hello.

    I read your link and it seems like it was not about Mahdi only but it was about the whole Islam escatology. Not things that happens near future but things that will pass during the next 2500 years. For instance Gog and Magog are let loose after the resurrection and 1000 years kingdom. Not in near future.

    Somehow I have got an idea that Mahdi was born 1975-1976 and will be forty years old 2015-2016. One major sign of the hour of the end will be that The appearance of the MAHDI will be revealed. That happened July 1976 when Viking 1 (NASA) found the famous: Face on Mars.

    http://artsnova.com/x/OdysseyFaceonMars.jpg

    This is newer picture than 1976 picture. This have got face of Mahdi and someone (Jesus, Isa) with his backside on camera. You can see Isa has got curly hair that are not long. His body is red because of the sand colour of Mars. Just like hadiths (Bukhari, Muslim) tell his apperance to be with Mahdi.

    Here is the original picture of the face:
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/11903/

    Click the picture to get it larger.

    Of course I can be wrong. But I wonder if there is going to be any picture than is closer to what Hadiths tell appearance of the MAHDI to be. For instance white forehead, hair long enough to reach shoulders not any longer, black spot on cheek. And so on.

    And the year 1975-1976 is the exact year of the end of Daniels 2300 evenings. Those evenings started when Alexander the Great died 324 BC and it meant start for a new calendar system. For instance OT Apchrypha use the year form the dead of Alexander the Great calendar system. Some Hadith tells that Mahdi will appear even if it happens on THE LAST EVENING YEAR, This can only mean Daniels 2300 EVENINGS, Those evenings ended 1975-1976 if we start to count them from the Death of Alexander the Great.

    Greetings!

    • hello Tapio

      Thank you for sharing your information. A young man came to my site a few years ago and actually said he was the mahdi, but it was not his time, because he was not 40 years old yet. He sent me visions he had, which said he had been getting since he was a small boy.

      I do not know if I still have these written visions. It would be interesting to get your point of view on them, if I can find them. I have had to change computers a few times, so they may be lost.

      I am interesting in how this mahdi situation evolves. Some Christians are concerned that the Mahdi is the Antichrist, while Muslims believe he only does good, and opposes the Antichrist, or is a separate person.

  325. I know there are going to be eclipses on the Lord’s feast days in 2014 and 2015. If something happens during this time, the eclipses they’re looking for will most likely be these ones.

  326. I’ve never smelt a rose before.
    Would you smell as sweet?
    I’ve never heard your voice before.
    Is it what I’ll heed.
    I’ve never loved like you before.
    If I did would you accept it?
    Could we grow to become as one?
    In the return of undecided choice lies a sense
    discomforting confusion at the basis of your love.
    Let our love conquer all.

  327. What do you think of the poem Marianne? It’s sort of a proposal.

  328. World keeps turning.
    God takes his time.
    In the prison that is life,
    Man makes his mistakes.
    Not undoing bad choices.
    Unrelenting in his pursuit to find escape.
    Not knowing that life in this world
    Is only a second.
    Compared to eternity.
    And the decisions he makes are but a fallibility
    To his account at judgement day.
    When will be the coming of the guided one?
    In this everlasting wait forever is he that I seek.
    The one who will liberate our coming of being.
    When we’ll live with ease of peace.
    And live for him that is God.

    • hi abdul

      Nice poems. You should have your own website. :)

      • Marianne, I wrote a comment this morning on here and now I got like 14 e-mails from here. How do I stop it? Is it possible for you to e-mail me to explain what I need to do?

        Thanks.

        • Did you accidentally subscribe to this page or site? If so, you will get an email every time someone makes a comment. Do you see a place in the email where you can unsubscribe? Click it.. If not, send me an example of an email you have received. I will ask WordPress about it.

  329. Thanks. Maybe I’ll call it “The Paranoia Of Abdul.” I feel dreadful.

  330. I’m tired. I need to be looked after. I wish that I could be cared for. That is all.

  331. There’s a radio deejay in Singapore who commented on radio that people with mental illnesses should be put to sleep. I wish that I could be put to sleep. There’s no more use for me in this world.

  332. Any words of comfort? Dying to hear some..

  333. Abdul. Jesus lives. He rose from the dead and He wants to take care of you. He loves you. You can trust Him.

  334. I’ll believe and trust in him when I see him in 2023.

  335. What do I see?
    I see a man calling us to prayer.
    I see another man telling him to lead it.
    In this event lies a union of brothers.
    The historical glorified prophesy will actual itself.
    This moment will be