4 Blood Moon Tetrad Frenzy

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The 6th seal of Revelation describes a unique event that needs

proper interpretation.

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The earth quakes before them; the heavens tremble. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining. (Joel 2:10, ESV)

The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. (Joel 2:31, ESV)

When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. (Rev 6:12)

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There is a big frenzy on the internet because there will be 2 red moons in 2014 and 2 red moons in 2015 that fall on Jewish feast Days.

While this is interesting, people fail to realize that blood moons are not unusual, and that having a blood moon may mean nothing at all.

Having them fall on a Jewish feast day is interesting, and may be seen as “bad luck,” but it is NOT a promise that something revolutionary, like the wrath of God, or that the 6th seal is about to

happen.

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People forget that not only will the sun and moon

turn dark at the same time, but the stars will also

fall from the sky!!!!!.

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Getting fixated on just some lunar eclipses is a waste of time, although I do think 2014 and 2015 will see troubles.

People are selling books now with this distorted prediction that the rapture will happen, all based on what the moon is doing, and they are ignoring that the fact that there is no predicted solar eclipse, or meteor shower, expected at the same time.

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Bad Diagram

This diagram is misleading.

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Solar eclipse 3/20/15 will be seen in western hemisphere only, and will not be seen in Israel.

http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2015Mar20Tgoogle.html

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http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEplot/SEplot2001/SE2015Mar20T.GIF

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Lunar eclipse is not due until April 4 , 2015, two weeks later, and it won’t be visible in Jerusalem either.

http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEplot/LEplot2001/LE2015Apr04T.pdf

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Understanding Eclipse Geometry

There is no natural way a solar and lunar eclipse can happen at the same time.

The sun and the moon are on the same side of the earth for a solar eclipse, and on opposite sides of the earth for a lunar eclipse.

So the sun and moon need time to each get into position for their own eclipse.

This is why they need to be at least 2 weeks apart.

It takes time to travel into position.

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How does the 6th seal event predicted in Joel and Revelation occur

then?

My view is that this is NOT an event due to consecutive solar or lunar eclipses, because the sun and moon turn dark at the same time, and the stars also seem to be falling from the sky.

1.. If there IS a lunar eclipse occurring, something ELSE has to be blocking the sun!

Maybe another planetary object……

Or

God just puts his hand over the sun to block it.

2.. if there is a solar eclipse occurring, then something else is turning the moon red.

Maybe something in the atmosphere

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God just turns it red for His own reasons.

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Since the stars also seem to be falling as well, this suggests a large meteor shower of some sort.

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If we put all 3 events together, it would seem that

an unusual heavenly event is occurring, which

affect the sun, moon and stars, ALL at the SAME

TIME.


319 Responses to “4 Blood Moon Tetrad Frenzy”

  1. I think you need to do more research. Obviously this is your personal opinion …

  2. Only a natmospheric condition seems to be a logical cause for all three effects. A solar eclipse would only last for a few minutes anyway, which is too short to be something ordinary.

  3. I do agree that the Lunar eclipses affect Israel and the Solar eclipses affect the nations so these are signs of times(wars & disasters) that YHWH has created. When people don’t study these things, they become skeptical of these most important things of YHWH’s Word.

    However, I do not believe in a PRE-tribulation rapture. No one is going up not even Jacob’s children before Yahshua actually appears in all His glory that is, after the 3 days of darkness. The Hebrews were not raptured in Egypt during the times of the plagues but were shielded by YHWH and so will the remnant be shielded as well as the few non-Hebrews who follow His ways when the intense troubles start. This rapture theory is a death trap that was the distorted teaching by the Roman Church, rather everyone should fast, pray, repent and return to YHWH for those who want to live with Him during His millennial reign.

    • Amen Bethany!

      Believers are not subject to the plagues of Revelation – just as the Children of Israel in Egypt, because we are “children of the light” (1st Thessalonians 5:5). Thank you Father God. Thank you Lord!

      Believers (followers of the Lord), “overcome him by the Blood of the Lamb and our testimony, even unto the death” (Revelation 12:11).

      There will not be 3 days of literal darkness (last days) as there was not 3 days of literal darkness in Egypt.

      In my opinion – Those 3 days of darkness (Plague # 9 in Egypt) were a spiritual, mental darkness. This event could not be simply visual sight restriction by a lack of nature light because Exodus chapter 10 does not tell us that the sun did not shine or was hidden, does it?

      There is no account of God removing oil and wood from the Egyptians. There was not a plague upon oil, wood or fire. The Egyptians would have oil for lamps and wood for fire, right?

      The text does not say fire light (candle, oil or burning wood) was removed from Egypt (ERV). It was a “cloud of darkness” falling upon them when Moses raised his hand into the air. Illumination from a flame was not hampered or removed from the land – that is an assumption. The darkness oppressing the land of Egypt was something only the Egyptians could “feel” (Exodus 10:21-23).

      The book of Job gives an account of such darkness upon the so called “wise” but are truly wicked.

      “He [God] frustrates the devices of the crafty, so that their hands achieve no success. He catches the wise in their own craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are brought to a quick end.

      They meet with darkness in the daytime and grope at noonday as in the night.
      But He saves the needy from the sword of their mouth and from the hand of the mighty. So the poor have hope, and injustice shuts her mouth” (Job 5:12-16, NKJV).

      Oh my! Those crafty Egyptians! Those people who worshiped gods and went after the pleasures of the world.

      At this same time, the Children of Israel, those under physical bondage, had light in their homes – peace, joy, loving-kindness, and other attributes of the light – the Spirit of God. They are the Israelites (pun not intended).

      “He protects his holy people. He keeps them from stumbling. But evil people will be destroyed. They will fall in the darkness. Their power won’t help them win” (1st Samuel 2:9, ERV).

      For You are my lamp, O Lord, and my God lightens my darkness. For by You I can run against a troop, and by my God I can leap over a wall. This God—his way is perfect; the word of the Lord proves true; He is a shield for all those who take refuge in Him” (2 Samuel 22:29-31).

      “Commit your way to the Lord; trust in Him, and He will act. He will bring forth your righteousness as the light, and your justice as the noonday” (Psalm 34:5-6).

      “…’A little while longer the light is with you. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you; he who walks in darkness does not know where he going. So put your trust in the light while you still have it. Then you will be children of light” (John 12:35-36).

      Our Lord tells a great deal about the power of the light, keeping us close to Him, trusting Him and being children of the light.

      Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if one walks in the night he stumbles, because the light is not in him” (John 11:9-10)

      Let us pray for those who are oppressed by the god of this world with its darkness and apply the armor of light through fervent prayers.

      “The night is almost over, the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and arm ourselves with the weapons of light” (Romans 13:12, CJB).

      I don’t have time to reply directly to this lunar/solar post. These is more to this topic, which may be helpful.

      Quickly – the Blood Moons do occur on Feast days. But the cycle of these Blood Moons is very unique.

      There is a “Saros Cycle Series” that began in 2013 and ends in 2016. There is no other Saros Cycle Series like this (3 year period) occurring this century.

      More later.

      Blessings
      Psalm 29

  4. Literal interpretations of a symbolic book can cause real problems. The keywords used in the book of Revelation are defined in the books of the prophets as to what they symbolize.

    • To anointed have not been chosen yet,

      Amen.

      “Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock, and it will be opened to you” (Matthew 7:7).

      What is spoken in parables and Revelation is revealed in Scriptures.

      Ever wonder about those pregnant women and those nursing babies (Matthew 20:19)?

      “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!…For then there will be great tribulation (pressure, trouble, persecution) such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s (those chosen) sake those days will be shortened” (NKJV).

      Start with this verse:

      “But we behaved gently when we were among you, like a devoted mother nursing and cherishing her own children” (1st Thess 2:7, ESV).

      The above verse is one of four verses, which gives insight (interpretation) to the parable Jesus shares with His disciples (followers) in Matthew 24:19 – a verse regarding the spiritual maturity of some Believers at the end of the age and His soon coming. It is a warning: best be prepared for spiritual and physical tribulation. But, those teaching “rapture” explain this parable as Hebrew women in distress.

      Those who are nursing babies (Matthew 24:19) are pastors/teachers (1st Thess 2:7) in those days. They will be very busy with their “babies” who have received and are living on diet of milk, those not spiritually mature.

      Those who are pregnant? Think Nicodemus.

      “‘How can someone be born when they are old?’ Nicodemus asked. ‘Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!’

      Jesus answered, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again’…'” (John 3:4-8, NIV).

      So to understand the intriguing Matthew 24:19 parable requires both 1st Thess 2:7 and John 3:4. Confirmation on the new born Believer (Nicodemus) and a milk diet (Churches in the US/Western cultures) are found in 1st Corinthians 3:1-3 and Hebrews 5:11-14.

      I don’t think these are pregnant Hebrew women, and those nursing babies, running from Jerusalm by the hundreds to the wilderness (literal).

      Blessings
      Psalm 29

      • DJ,
        Matthew 24:19 is not about baby Christians talking about the rapture.

        Matthew 24 is the answer to the question asked of Jesus, When are you coming back, and what will be the sign of your coming. Jesus answers that question by giving a synopsis of history. In the middle of his synopsis is Matthew 15-27 in which he is talking about Daniel’s prophecy and the time when the Muslims set up their abomination of desolation on the temple mount where it should not be, leaving it desolate and without hope, sacrifices abolished, standing there until the end where a false god claims to be God.

        Matthew 24 15 says: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 15 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

        (the verses above describe why the woman flees into the wilderness of the world for 1260 years, sheltered from the dragon until 1948 when she returns home and Ezekiel’s dry bones come to life, the desert blooms, and the fig tree buds.)

        23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, (Allah) and false prophets (Mohammed), and shall shew great signs and wonders (Rev. 13:13); insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

        (now that we are in the end times we are beginning to understand what Daniel was talking about, and the abomination is still standing there claiming to be God.)

        After the tribulation of those days (which are still upon us) the sun will be darkened, the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 AND THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven….

        Rev. 6:13 says it like this: And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

        I take that literally. Everything before has happened literally. This will too, as surely as Jesus was born of a virgin, and rose from the dead on the third day.

  5. I’m delighted you clarified the problems with this predictive scenario.
    I think the main thing which could bring darkening of both sun and moon would be a massive volcanic eruption, like ones which have happened before and darkened everything worldwide for months–not totally dark, but dim, blurry, depressing, and toxic. The stars would also be blurred, because this event would continue for months if not years, depending on how bad the eruption would be. So that would affect moon, sun, stars, all happening at once.
    The stars falling from the sky could be a run-in with the asteroid belt, and some asteroids actually falling to earth, which could conceivably happen at the same time as the darkening of the moon and sun by the huge eruption of a volcano. Some scientists believe that the approach of a comet is not as mild as one thinks IF it passes near enough to planets to disrupt their energy fields and magnetism, and if it passes near enough to the sun to do the same. The debris field following Comet Ison this Fall, which will be at its height in January 2014, could provide such a scenario, as Ison is now passing near another planet in our system and sill pass near us in November and December. It probably won’t hit us, but its debris field might, as outlined by Stan Deyo and other online scientists. James McCanney does not think the Ison debris field will be that bad, but sees some magnetic and electrical challenges by this near-passing comet.
    And might it not trigger a huge eruption and worldwide darkness?

    I have seen a blood moon, it was in December of a few years ago. It is ugly and depressing to see this thing, as the moon looks like raw hamburger. Very ugly. I saw it clearly because air is very clear during that season of the year where I live. A perfect opportunity to see the blood red eclipsed moon. And as you say, Marianne, these are not uncommon, although falling on the dates of the Jewish festivals in 2014
    and 2015 is less common and might seem to be prophetic signs because of their appearances on the feasts.

    Bravo to your thinking on this subject.

    I AM hoping for the pre-trib or mid-trib rapture. I just don’t know for sure when either the rapture or the trib will occur.

  6. On this video, Mark Blitz explains his discovery. I don’t know what to think of it but let me tell you, it make a lot of sense to me. I believe the Feast of the Lord are foreshadows of things to come. I also would like to say that I totally agree with Bethany about the rapture not happening before the revelation of Jesus Christ, just read 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-6

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY1lIMr22aE‎

  7. When it says that the Stars will fall from the Sk, it does not literally mean stars like our Sun!. What John saw were dots of light falling from the sky, which is why he referred to them as “Stars”.During the time of the great upheavel there will be Earthquakes, many Volcanoes exploding and also an Asteroid will crash into the sea!. A by product of that is matter that has been thrown into the upper atmosphere will fall back down, and will appear like falling stars, these will set fire to forests and grassland etc!

    • Glenn,
      I was driving from Chicago to Ohio on the night a meteor shower hit about ten years ago. It was very stormy outside, and then there was what looked like lightning, a greenish color that seemed to last forever. As we drove further down the road the storm had cleared up and we could see that there were patches of fires every so often in the fields. The next day we heard on the radio that there had been a meteor shower that had been reported from Canada to Tennessee. I will never forget that green lightning. It was reported one of the rocks burnt a hole through a man’s roof. We were probably lucky it was raining that night or those fires could have spread.

  8. Joel 2:31, Matthew 24:29, Act 2:20 and Rev 6:12 are describing when Nibiru comes between the earth and the sun.

    • Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those dayS (plural) will I pour out my spirit. 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.

      It doesn’t have to occur on the same day.

      Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those dayS (plural) of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

  9. If the stars falls from the sky at the time of a blood red moon and the sun becoming blood red, it is either meterors or missiles causing a nuclear war, or the stars representing fallen angels which would describe perhaps a spiritual darkness falling upon the earth! or even could be both! I think it maybe nuclear and would fall from the sky and have the same reaction as stars in them! Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which “destroy the earth”.

  10. Great article M, you have got us all thinking and some great replies. Believers must not be fooled, for God, it is all about Israel. The Godly Jews have been predicting the 4 blood moons for a number of years and predict WW III in 2015 with the Messiah coming in 2018. If you do the numbers and relate it to the Feasts of Israel (the Lord), the Sabbaths and the Jewish Jubilee Years then the Jews do have a strong argument for their predictions. Anyone who doubts God’s power should understand that God can send us all back to the stone age with an EMP blast from the sun which almost happened a few weeks ago. For Christians, we are about to become the “new terrorists” of the world especially the American Christians of your beloved President Obama (beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/09/15/they-will-be-the-most-hunted-people-on-the-planet/christians). Obama’s Muslim duty is to carry out the caliphate of the Muslim Brotherhood for world caliphate or Islamic world rule (http://www.rightsidenews.com/2013091533192/world/terrorism). Obama has already told the UN leader that the US would be an Islamic country by 2016. The reason the UN hates Christians is they know we have the power of God to destroy their evil intentions spiritually and supernaturally. Believers must never feel despondent or defeated, you have the power of God at your request if you will just believe deeply and trust deeply. When you pray, the “doing part” is the Believing part. If you believe in your prayer and it is the will of God then your prayer will be answered. Praise the Lord, Amen.

  11. The interesting thing about the March 20, 2015 solar eclipse is that it goes directly over Svalbard, Norway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SE2015Mar20T.png

    Svalbard is home to the “Doomsday Seed Vault”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault

    In Revelation, the 5th Bowl has darkness occurring over the land of the antichrist. If this darkness is an eclipse, this is an indicator of the antichrist, possibly the new Jewish king since Nisan 1 is considered the “new year for kings”. http://www.inner.org/times/nisan/E68-06B28.php

    As to the main point of the article, I don’t see how sun to black, moon obscured could happen at the same time anyway since one doesn’t see the sun and moon together to begin with. So, why can’t it mean solar then lunar eclipse?

  12. Could it be that a solar eclipse is caused by the return of Nibiru? Causing a solar and lunar eclipse at the same time?

    • caasi

      Nibiru would be the most logical explanation, but since many people do not accept that it is real, I just left it as a general possibility that it was just “something out there.”

  13. To All,

    “The Myth of a Sumerian 12th Planet: “Nibiru” According to the Cuneiform Sources” By Michael S. Heiser Ph.D., Hebrew Bible and Ancient Semitic Languages University of Wisconsin-Madison.

    This paper will address these questions in the course of four discussion sections:

    􏰀 Overview of the scholarship on Nibiru
    􏰀 How often and where does the word “nibiru” occur in cuneiform texts? What does the
    word mean, and is there an astronomical context for the word in any of its
    occurrences?
    􏰀 What are the cuneiform astronomical sources for our knowledge of ancient
    Mesopotamian astronomy?
    􏰀 What do those sources tell us about Nibiru?

    http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibirunew.pdf

    Blessings
    Proverbs 7:11-12

  14. To All,

    The originators of “Nibiru” are the Babylonians.

    This is a telling line from the ancient text, which seems to be the foundation for this Nibiru – Planet X.

    “The stars of heaven, let him [Nibiru] set their course; let him shepherd all the gods like sheep” (Enuma Elish, Tablet VII lines 126-127).

    http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibirunew.pdf

    Who is this shepherd and who are his sheep?

    “In 1976, the late Zecharia Sitchin stirred up a great deal of controversy with the publication of his book, “The Twelfth Planet”. In this and subsequent books, Sitchin presented his literal translations of ancient Sumerian texts which told an incredible story about the origins of humankind on planet Earth – a story far different and much more fantastic than what we all learned in school…

    Most historians, anthropologists and archeologists consider it all Sumerian myth, of course. But Sitchin’s work has created a diehard cadre of believers and researchers who take the story at face value. And some of them, whose ideas are getting widespread attention thanks to the Internet, contend that the return of Nibiru is close at hand – possibly as soon as somewhere between now and 2013!”

    http://paranormal.about.com/od/zsitchinniburu/a/Is-Nibiru-Approaching.htm

    “NASA scientists reportedly have confirmed that the planet Nibiru will collide with Earth in July of 2013.”

    http://www.kenyan2013.com/2012/03/25/earth-to-collide-with-nibiru-on-july-21-2013/

    The original prediction that Nibiru would collide with earth came from an unlikely source. A Wisconsin woman Nancy Lieder said that as a young girl she was contacted by extraterrestrials called Zetas who had set up a communication device in her brain and sent out messages to her and they had told her about the Nibiru collision.

    Though she had predicted the year of doom as 2003, however it has been linked with the year 2013 after the interpretations with Sumerian and Mayan calendars. According to the interpretation recorded by astronaut writer Zecharia Sitchin, it is said that a planet that crosses Earth once in 3600 years and is an opportunity for the Annunaki (the inhabitants of Nibiru) to interact with the humans.

    NASA is publicly denying anything about collision (and even deny the existence of Nibiru), but privately several sources in NASA have confirmed the projected collision date of July 21, 2013.

    The Nibiru collision with Earth in 2013 had been predicted for a while, but astrophysicists, cosmologists and astronomers around the world have come to a consensus that Earth will collide with the planet, which lies just outside Pluto.

    Nibiru, in Babylonian Astronomy translates to “Planet of Crossing” or “Point of Transition”, especially of rivers, i.e. river crossings or ferry-boats, a term of the highest point of the ecliptic, i.e. the point of summer solstice, and its associated constellation.

    The establishment of the Nibiru point is described in tablet 5 of the Enuma Elish. Its cuneiform sign was often a cross, or various winged disc. The Sumerian culture was located in the fertile lands between the Euphrates and Tigris rivers, at the southern part of today’s Iraq.

    As the highest point in the paths of the planets, Nibiru was considered the seat of the summus deus who pastures the stars like sheep, in Babylon identified with Marduk. This interpretation of Marduk as the ruler of the cosmos was identified as an early monotheist tendency in Babylonian religion by Alfred Jeremias.”

    Those who believe Nibiru is approaching say that scientists do know all about it and are just covering it up.

    The original text tells me a great deal about this topic and those that received this “revelation”.

    “The stars of heaven, let him [Nibiru] set their course; let him shepherd all the gods like sheep” (Enuma Elish, Tablet VII lines 126-127).

    Blessings

    “Make me to know your ways, O Lord; teach me your paths.
    Lead me in your truth and teach me, for you are the God of my salvation; for you I wait all the day long” (Psalm 25:4-5).

    • July 2013 Nibiru hits the earth? Yeah right.
      And then there was the popular You Tube idiot who carefully calculated that Nibiru would cause 3 days of darkness on September 26th. Anyone notice that?
      I just checked YouTube and there were at least a dozen on popular videos predicting Nibiru would be here in August. These You Tube idiots are dropping like flies. Its obvious that none of them really know anything and they are simply getting on the Nibiru bandwagon, having fun making silly videos and trying their best to scare people.
      I have a theory that these are old computer hackers who got tired of messing with peoples’ computers and decided to mess with their heads instead. They are just mischievous kids who get enjoyment by fooling gullible people.
      But their time is coming to an end. The whole thing will eventually collapse under the weight of their false predictions. Tens of thousands have been proven false and it won’t be long before everyone realizes that it is all a scam.
      Anyone still believe the Mayans?

  15. Ok, I will try to spill some information I have gathered over time.

    From my understanding, there are many blood moons that happen through history which have no significant meaning what so ever.

    But then, there have been 7 total lunar tetrads that have happened on Jewish feast days, since the birth of Jesus.

    meaning 4 total blood moons on the holidays. Now I don’t remember the entire set of dates, but for example

    in 1492/93 (or around this time) the Jews were kicked out of Spain.

    1948/49 Israel became a state again.

    Some other things happened as well in history, but apparently only these tetrads happened and signified something serious.

    it will happen in 2014/15 and then won’t happen again for a veeeeeeeeeery long time. So something could be headed our way from this time event.

    I am not try to scare or anything, but that is something to keep an eye on.

    hope all is well :D

    • serilei,
      1492, 1948,and 1967, and 2014-2015 with a solar eclipse on 3/20/2015.
      No more for hundreds of years.
      4/15/14 Passover
      10/8/14 Sukkot highest holy day following feast of trumpets
      3/20/15 Solar eclipse
      4/4/15 Passover
      9/28/15 Sukkot

      Comet ISON is going to be in perihelion, rounding the sun on,
      Thanksgiving, Nov. 28, 2013.
      That is the same time the sun is going to be changing polarity, as it does about once a decade — but not while a wild comet is passing through!
      ISON is predicted to pass closest to the earth December 26. Merry Christmas.
      Will the sun change ISON’s course? Who knows. Maybe it will be burned up by the sun. Wouldn’t that be wonderful.

      I think we should pray that we will be worthy to escape the things that are coming on the earth. The way I understand that verse is that we are made worthy by faith in Jesus. I’ll be going however he wants me to go, comet or no comet, but its probably better to die instantly from a 100 pound asteroid, than be tortured all through the time of God’s wrath? Whatever, I’m trusting Jesus.

      If I had to predict, I would say that since we are the witnesses in Rev. 11:12 at the 6th seal, when we hear Come Up Hither, that is when we go up, and the rest of the world will go through the seventh of everything, seals, trumps, and plagues. The Jews by then are figuring out that they have to repent because the Christians are gone, so they begin to take their days of repentance after the feast of trumpets very seriously until Jesus comes back shortly thereafter on Sukkot, and then there is a year of Jubilee, 2015-2016.
      Somewhere in there it will probably get pretty dark. You know the old saying, it’s always darkest before the dawn.

  16. don’t understand why the solar eclipses are important? they don’t happen all over the earth at the same time! so if it is israel’s solar eclipse, we won’t even see this sign!

    • david

      in a solar eclipse, the sun turns dark. by itself it means nothing.

      the prophecy involves the sun turning dark at the same time the moon turns red, and the stars seem to fall from the sky

      • I guess what I am trying to say is that if the sun is blackened by a solar eclipse, then this will have to be a local sign and not a global one.

  17. The Plagues are already here. Its Darkness through out the world. the 6th. Seal is already opened. And if one would just look at the Floods, Tornadoes, Earthquakes like never before. Men’s heart felling for fear.
    The only way this World could get any worse is to Explode.

    We already have millions of rich people that have got their secret hide ways in the mountains and In other countries.
    Sickness and Death are a normal process in huge proportions as never before in history. Its happening right now.

    Hearts are wicked, with no natural affections. Israel is already in her homeland since 1948, Got back the city in 1967 – That is all that God promised them. They have to receive the Messiah just like we did. By Hearing the Word of God and it Comes and Gathers you into the Barn.

    The rest will be burnt with fire and brimstone. Look up brimstone you might be surprised what it means.

    It would behove us to get our eyes off of the Devils world and into the Kingdom of God. The World is going to perish. Let it go friends. Be solid in Christ and His love.
    Gods Kingdom is Love and peace in the Holy Ghost.
    The Worlds kingdom is Hate, War, and ALL Nations in perplexity. = NO ANWER – The anti-Christ is revealed already. How blind can we be.

    I guess as blind as Israel was When Jesus came the first time.
    It was a Message that went with the Crucifixion and Resurrection and after the Resurrection was another Message called the 2nd. Coming in Acts 2. And Rev. 10 is the end of the Second coming. A brand new city has been measured for the Bride. The unseen Temple of Eze. = the Body of Christ.

    1. All the church is in Rev. 4 and 5 gathered = to a New Day & Message into that Temple.
    2. The 7 Church ages are complete and over – Church taken out of time Rev. 10:6 – the Ages had a time period- but not the Eternal Day.
    3. All the church is in Rev. 4 and 5 gathered in the Heavenlies.
    4. Rev. 6 – Seals opened by “thunder” Jesus is the 7th. Seal.
    Christ “Come back” and fulfilled the 7 Seals and made them known to us. Jesus Christ IS THE 7TH. SEAL. and completes the 2nd. Coming which is the Rapture. Comes as a Thief in the Night.
    5. He comes back with Great signs and the Message for our day.
    Just as in Noah’s, had a Message and Moses had a Message , John the Baptist had a Great Message – The Last trumpet of the O.T to introduce Jesus Christ to all. By Prophets – Sons of Man. = Word in flesh bodies.
    6. Rev. 7 -8- 9 – Trumpets, war, death, hell and the grave – 4 horse riders same as in the beginning with Cain. To steal , kill, and trying to destroy Gods Kingdom by deceit. Its the same death, hell, and grave that was in O.T. days.
    7. The 7 Trumpets open all plagues, vials, Seals, and a Message goes with it opening up all the mysteries for this day.
    Rev. 10 the 6 thunders are the Seals revealing 2nd. coming is all over. Christ is the last and 7th. trumpet Message with His Feet on the Ground.
    8. Rev. 11 Prophet is Measuring a new Temple now. That New Temple is the Brand New Creation for God to dwell in. = HIS BRIDE. Gathering all in the barn =Ark at the end of Rev. 11. – they are eating the Book – just like in Eze. day is the unseen ark today. Its hidden from the World
    9. The 6 days of MANMADE RELIGION is OVER. Its perfected by satan’s gospel of 666. which is Mankind – the Great Red Snake in Rev. 12. And is Death, Hell, and the Grave and will be destroyed also.
    9. The 7th. Seal will destroy the whole thing and every Nation.
    The final judgment has come to its end – by rejecting Jesus message in our day.
    10. The drums of the Nations of War “could end tonight”. Jesus warned us be Watchful. It will come when you think not. They will be saying where is the SIGN of HIS Coming. He will say – He has already come and ye did not know it. All systems of men will wail and would they could die. No more signs is needed. They have all been fulfilled .
    Rev. 10 is the Coming. Rev. 11:15 on is after the Coming and the Ark is open to whosever will come. Just like in Noah’s day. It was a secret as well.
    11. Rev. 11:15- the kingdoms of this world are becme the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and shall reign forever, and forever.
    Rev. 11:17 – O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast – because though has taken to thee thy great power and hast reigned.
    “NOTICE” this verse does not say ” Is to COME” it is not in the Original writings, not in Amplified, or New American Standard, Catholic , and many, many other Bibles as well. The 7th. Angels Message wraps it all up. Then John is instructed to write on and reveal other things that come to pass in in and before the 2nd. coming. It tells of the history of the Church. Tells of Satan’s demise, of Babylon’s demise, Tells of the Reign of the false prophet and the beast. It speaks of our Authority that he left us in the Reign of the 2nd. Coming and Now as well. It tells of our Marriage we have already had since the Book of Acts started. And last but not least – how we should be living in the Kingdom of God NOW not tomorrow some other day or advent. But NOW – the last 2 Chapters of Revelation is what God the Christ has Given us. To OVERCOME all things. Every Overcomings virtue in the 7 church ages are mentioned in the book of Revelations. Stop and think about that. We at the end of it all. There is no promise to those that do not OVERCOME satan.

    After Rev. 11 is just the pilgrimage of the Church though the Nations up even to America Rev. 13:11 Which has a great part in the setting up of what you all call the Mark of the Beast. All it means is you put your trust in Man and Nations or self. And that will bring the curses on world.

    JEREMIAH 17:5- ¶ Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
    JEREMIAH 17:6- For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.
    Those two scriptures are the “Mark of the Beast” you can bet your life on it.

    bro. ty

  18. We disagree – I’ll trust my resource and you’ll trust yours.
    Jesus spoke in parables for a reason.
    Blessings
    Psalm 64

    • Dj,
      You could actually understand him well enough to disagree?

    • DJ,

      You are correct. Jesus spoke in parables for a REASON! To allow REASON. To invite us to REASON. To invite us to think outside the box.

      Jesus was aware of, and likely had command of hyper-dimensions.

      I “think” that by speaking in allegory and metaphor(parables), our Lord was inviting us to “reason together”. To think outside the box if you will.

      In our creation, we were given the ability to see “patterns”. Consider the Fibonacci sequence in nature. Proof yet again of the divine. Such CANNOT evolve from chaos. For man to perceive the Fibonacci sequence is divine. It could be no other way

      There are patterns in the Bible that now cannot be refuted. Ivan Panin’s discovery for instance. Or Eliyahu Rips discovery. Irrefutable patterns that CANNOT happen in a billion X a billion X a billion X a billion X a billion years. Basically a googleplex of time X a gooleplex of time, or eternity. Yet they exist.

      I believe the Bible to be infallible. I believe that the Bible is the living word of God.

      Dan

  19. According to Joel:
    The earth quakes before them; the heavens tremble. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
    I live in Southern California and every time we have a major earthquake we can see plumes of dust kicked up from the mountains. Even a smaller quake can produce a large amount of dust clouds.
    So we know that there will be quakes all around the world far bigger than anything we have ever seen, and I guarantee you that there will be a ton of dust in the atmosphere in a matter of minutes. This dust will darken the sun, moon and stars, all at the same time. \Note Joel says the stars will “withdraw their shining” which just means they will dim.
    I believe the term the “Stars shall fall from the sky” would better read “the stars shall disappear from the sky.” So in all three cases the main event is the earthquake and the dimming of light is merely the consequence.
    So looking for an eclipse or series of eclipses will be fruitless without the earthquake before each of them.
    So if you believe in the eclipse theory you will have to wait to see if there are worldwide earthquakes before them. If not, I wouldn’t expect much of anything will happen.

    And Marianne, it‘s good to see you’ve become a skeptic when it comes to these eclipses. It wasn’t long ago you were a fan. Maybe I’m rubbing off on you a little.
    I just hope you read that article on Nibiru in the original tablets. Its hard to argue with the facts once you see them laid out in front of you. Eclipses will not be signs of the Second Coming, and especially not one caused by an imaginary planet.
    Are you listening Adam?

    • J
      If you would be a Catholic you would say something else

      • Sorry, but as an engineer with a science and astronomy background I could never believe in a myth like Nibiru. You can study the actual tablets at the website liked above, and you can see for yourself that the Sumerians never described a planet beyond Pluto. They never knew about Pluto, Neptune or Uranus either. They were just a bunch of dumb pagans with no relationship with God. You try to elevate their knowledge (and their relationship with God) to a level it does not deserve.
        Even if the bible described such a planet I still would not believe it. Fortunately it does not. If you continue to believe in pagan crap you will be destroyed with Babylon before the Second Coming.
        No catholic I know ever heard of Nibiru and no one I know actually believe in it. I find it hard to believe that real Christians could buy into such pagan baloney especially when it has all been proven to be a modern made-up interpretation and not even a real myth.
        You guys are even dumber than the Sumerians. Or just incredibly gullible to believe in a hoax without ever checking it out.
        Either way, you are going to be very disappointed.
        and that’s a fact… look it up!

        • there is a painting in a egyptian church with ten planets and ufos flying around and the painting is 3600 years old. explain how they knew about 10 known planets in our galax and how they know about ufos

          • Give me a break, I saw a painting of four dogs playing poker but I don’t believe that one either.
            Even if Nibiru was in the sky back then, observers had no way of seeing Uranus, Neptune or Pluto, so there should only be six planets showing (including Nibiru. Even adding the sun and moon only brings it to 8, so they probably just used ten because the artist had ten fingers, who knows.
            Anyway, the painting proves nothing. It is just as useless as all the sun flare pictures you keep finding. I can’t believe you are resorting to such nonsense to try to prove your point.
            Yeah, I guess I can…

            • Hello!!! JG, while you sit comfortably @ your computer and play on the keyboard, there are people literally going around to find vital information to educate people like us. God bless them & the Whistle Blowers. If you studied the Bible you would have understood that all that happened in the Beginning IS happening now and WILL happen in the very, very near future. But you are a Skeptic and that is sheer Ignorance. And no, no, no, my friend, ignorance is not bliss as some like to call it. In fact it is death of the physical and death of the soul. This is not to bash you but I’m only warning as God had told Ezekiel to warn the wicked people [ Ezekiel 3:18 Suppose I tell you that wicked people will surely die, but you don't warn them or speak out so that they can change their wicked ways in order to save their lives. Then these wicked people will die because of their sin, but I will hold you responsible for their deaths.] Now the word ‘wicked’ does not always mean ‘evil’ but can mean ‘impious’, arrogant, disrespectful, impudent even doubtful against the Word of God. If the Bible talks about demons then by all means its TRUE. And yes, NIBIRU is real which is also called WORMWOOD in the bk of Rev. and so it was deliberately named by NASA.

              Anyways, Genesis 6-speaks of the fallen angels & Jude 1.6 & 2-Pet-2.4 says they are bound with chains deep in the earth. all these Scriptures connect with Rev. Ch.9.11 when these same fallen angels will be released from the bottomless pit, plus there will be demons(aliens) descending by the multitudes from the heavens. To tickle your skepticism, visit these sites:
              Pastor Mark on WND on the l.u.c.i.f.e.r. project at Arizona. It’s interesting as to why they chose Arizona to build this observatory, that’s bcoz the Area 51 is right there where aliens (demons) live and work on such demonic projects. http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/what-the-devil-scientists-tap-power-of-lucifer/
              http://mysteryoftheiniquity.com/2013/01/13/l-u-c-i-f-e-r-project/
              There are also youtube videos available on this L.project, you can check them out.
              No hard feelings please, I’m just doing my job as ‘the watchman on the wall’. Be Blessed.

    • jim

      I can see how smoke and dust would make the sun and moon and stars disappear or darken, but not how the smoke and dust would make the stars “fall”..

      fall and disappear are 2 different concepts.

      • Marianne,
        I wonder if in one scripture the stars fall, like Matthew 24.
        And then in another place they are darkened, like in Rev. 8:12.
        In fact all of chapter 8 sounds like a succession of star events like
        verse 7 a meteor shower
        verse 8 a great mountain, a comet
        verse 10 another “star”, Wormwood
        verse 12 the moon and stars are darkened by 1/3

        • that is possible but in Rev 6:12 they are all occurring in one verse which makes one assume that they happen at the same time.

          • Marianne,
            Rev. 6 is a synopsis, the same synopsis Jesus gave in Matthew 24. Matthew 24:29 says Immediately after the tribulation of those days (moving from one swath of time to the next swath) the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 AND THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man …

            Rev. 6 describes the same swath of time at the 6th seal. 12 a great earthquake and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth.

            Rev. 7 the saints are in heaven by the time of the quake, the quake at the 7th seal.

            Rev. 8 puts the star event into steps and in greater detail.
            The first trumpet sounds. “stars” fall trees burn.
            The second “burning mountain” cast into the sea.
            The third another “star” falls into the sea.
            The fourth angel sounds and the sun the moon and stars 1/3 are darkened. (little wonder after all that)
            The fifth angel and yet another star (and all hell breaks loose, as the expression goes. There are lingering saints but they are sealed in their foreheads. Can’t be harmed.)

            Like Jesus said, look up, your redemption draweth nigh.

            • Chris, I agree with you about the stars, burning mountain and there’s even brimstone & fire that fall from the heavens like it fell on Sodom & Gomorrah – [Ron Wyatt – Sodom and Gomorrah

              [“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Rev.21.8.
              The day is coming , burning like an oven, and all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up.” Micah 4:6]

              I believe the Scripture mentioned in —- [Zacharia 14:12-This will be the plague the LORD will use to strike all the people from the nations that have gone to war against Jerusalem. Their flesh will rot while they are standing on their feet. Their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.] —- will be the incineration that will take place of not only the nations that have gone against Israel but also the evil and the morally wicked with the intense radiation and heat of the heavenly bodies as they strike earth.

              The burning mountain that will fall from heaven relates to the gigantic stone that fell from heaven on the image of the Babylonian King’s dream in the bk of Daniel. Will this burning mountain fall on the modern day Babylon ‘the great whore’ of Rev.17 thereby even burning a great part of her daughter the harlot closest to her? And of course her other harlot daughters mentioned would also bear the brunt of YHWH’s wrath with a variation of other stones falling from heaven? Hmm! something to think about.

              • Bethany,
                I agree about all that fire and brimstone. Present company excluded of course, because we all love the Lord and Israel, and have been sealed in our foreheads so that the wrath can’t touch us per Rev. 7:3, Rev. 9:4, Rev. 14:1.

                I believe the harlot is the same religion that drives the beast, Islam, to do the horrible things it does. There are 3 women, 3 religions, in Zechariah 5. One of them is evil and has been placed on her base in Shinar, Babylonia. It is after the beast has been humiliated by losing to the Lamb that the beast turns on the woman. Rev. 17:12-16. I think this means that the false religion will go up in smoke like the rest of that ideology, and the swords will be turned into plowshares. But this isn’t a salvation issue. We’ll have to wait and see how it all turns out.

                But, for sure, it never hurts to pray we’ll be worthy to escape all these things coming on the earth. Jesus says that all that call upon the name of the Lord at this time will be saved.
                Have a blessed day.

      • Well, we both know that the actual stars can not fall so either stars means meteors or fall means “fail” to show their light (disappear). One way or the other you have to redefine some words. The earthquake(s) can cause dimming but not a meteor shower so a meteor shower would seem to be an unrelated event.
        Also, you have the same event described as “not giving their light, and falling, so one description must either be wrong or described in a way (perhaps in a more eclectic manner) that sounds like it is different but really means the same thing.
        If you take every word in the bible literally you will only go horribly astray. You must apply some common logic to scripture if you want to find the truth.

  20. true story
    A brother years ago came into our church and the Pastor preached on Faith. He came back the next week. And was very disappointed that the Pastor was preaching another message on Faith.
    He told the Pastor he was interested in the Mark of the Beast and the Anit-christ. When was he going to preach a message on that.
    Our Pastor ask him if he had about a Year and a half to come every week.

    This is the way it is today in America. Trying to write something out that would take a year or more to really break down to understand it real clearly with no doubts is near impossible on a forum with so many people. On These forums all we have time for is to write out a little high light hoping that someone could catch something.

    AS for parables – Jesus spoke in parables because HE knew the people did not have “ears to hear” and eyes that could not see” but our Master taught them anyway in parables. 3 out of 4 could not even hack a little parable and understand it. Let alone deep things of the Spirit. As I said in a post – When the Word of God is foreign to you. You need to start praying and studying more on your own. Look up the words your self and see what they mean.

    I have found most people just want to talk about it that’s all. But really are not interested in getting a real Revelation from the Spirit of God. That is the only way we will ever understand the Mysteries. Faith=revelation by the Spirit only comes by “Hearing the Word of God”. Seeing the invisible things that the foolish virgins cannot see or understand at all. With 8 or 900 denominations in USA. Is it any wonder it’s so confusion. To the multitudes

    Mystery – the Invisible being seen is the real revelation. You cannot get that by education. So the 1st. thing to know is – Do I really have the real God Given “Holy Spirit living in me” to guide me through this Babylon. That’s what its going to take and nothing less.
    br. ty

  21. Tom, you are right regarding understanding the Bible. The Holy Spirit inspired the writers of the books of the Bible. To spiritually understand the Bible you must ask or seek the Holy Spirit to reveal the Bible to you. No intellectual can fully understand the Bible unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to them. I read the Bible for over 20 years and basically had no depth of understanding of what I read, I knew right from wrong but no depth. Then I bought a new Bible, sat down and prayed that the Holy Spirit would open the Bible for me, it happen immediately, I understood the Word, it was like a veil was removed from my mind. The more I read the Bible the more the Lord reveals to me what is written there. I read the Bible start to finish in less than 4 months, it is not a race, I read in the morning and at night so the Word is in my mind during the day and as I go to sleep which makes attacks from Satan less. As for what is about to happen, the Bible says in a number of Books what will happen on the “Day of the Lord” including the Books of Joel, Amos, Matthew and Revelations. Great persecution is about to come upon US Christians as they are about to become the “new terrorists” and Obama wants to get rid of them as his Muslim Brotherhood has been doing in the Middle East. God will allow judgment on the US as it has walked away from God and abounds in false preaching like “name it, claim it” etc, etc. Imagine preaching this to the Middle East Christians currently being persecution by Obama’s henchmen. Something is not right with the US when you finance Islamic forces in killing Christians. If you think God is not watching then you are living in a bubble of wet dreams. Pray you will have a deep faith and a deep trust in the Lord in the coming tribulations against the US. For us in the Western world it is over, we are all about to enter a dark period of tribulation. God bless you all, Amen.

  22. Amen Allan – I agree fully – br. tom

  23. The first ten patriarchs listed in Genesis 5 –

    ADAM Αδαμ m This is the Hebrew word for “man”
    SETH (1) Σηθ m Means “placed” or “appointed” in Hebrew
    ENOSH אֱנוֹשׁ m Means “human being” in Hebrew
    CAINAN קֵינָן m Variant of KENAN קֵינָן m Possibly means “possession” in Hebrew
    MAHALEEL Means “praise of God” in Hebrew.
    JARED יָרֶד, יֶרֶד m From the Hebrew name יָרֶד (Yared) or יֶרֶד (Yered) meaning “descent”
    ENOCH Ενωχ m From the Hebrew name חֲנוֹך (Chanokh) meaning “dedicated”
    METHUSELAH מְתוּשֶׁלַח m Means “his death shall bring” in Hebrew
    LAMECH לָמֶך m Possibly means “the despairing” in Hebrew
    NOAH (1) נוֹחַ m Derived from the Hebrew name נוֹחַ (Noach) meaning “rest, comfort”
    1. ADAM = MAN
    2. SETH = APPOINTED
    3. ENOSH = MORTAL
    4. CAINAN = SORROW
    5. MAHALEEL = BLESSED OF GOD
    6. JARED = (DECENT) SHALL COME DOWN
    7. ENOCH = (DEDICATED) TEACHING
    8. METHUSELAH = HIS DEATH SHALL BRING
    9. LAMECH = THE DESPAIRING
    10. NOAH = COMFORT (OR REST)
    Add them all together and it reads:
    “MAN (HAS) APPOINTED MORTAL SORROW (BUT) THE BLESSED GOD SHALL COME DOWN TEACHING AND HIS DEATH SHALL BRING THE DESPAIRING COMFORT”

    Bro.ty– this was sent to me from a brother in Austria. Thought you all might find it interesting.

    • I have heard this before, but always like to hear it again.

    • Tom,
      Didn’t you say the internet is a waste of time?
      Just sayin’.
      My feeling is, if the Holy Spirit is showing me something, I want to share it, just like you shared your message. It’s all good. But if Iran decides to make fire come down from heaven one of these days, everything will be darkened including the internet. I say we make hay while the sun shines. There must be a scripture for that, a proverb maybe?

      • Yea Chris – JOHN 9:4- Jesus said = I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
        5. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

        When the world gets as bad as Noah’s day and the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. I think we real, real close right now. I think America’s demise will end it pretty soon. It will cause chaos and probably the end of this age.

        This is the only reason I stay on forums is to try and help and or bring an answer to all that would have a question.

        God bless you Chris —- bro.ty

  24. Bethany,

    I appreciate your comments regarding the wicked:

    “Now the word ‘wicked’ does not always mean ‘evil’ but can mean ‘impious’, arrogant, disrespectful, impudent even doubtful against the Word of God.”

    Let me be direct without being wicked – the writing of Nibiru is a work of the devil. Bold?

    The information on “Nibi” comes from Babylonian tablets. These tablets were interpreted by a man. He wrote a book about what he interpreted that was proven in error (academically, as a work of interpretation of ancient writing). The man did not translate the tablets correctly.

    http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibirunew.pdf

    A woman had a “revelation”regarding “Nibi”. She passed this along but she is not a Believer. She seems to be a New Age kind of person – likes to hang out in Sedona and Santa Fe, looking for sources of “energy”.

    According to “Nibi” subject experts – “Nibi” was to arrive by 2003.

    10 years later (July 2013) this “Planet X ” (10x the size of earth) was to appear.

    In the past few days, Marianne’s latest video post has proof that “Nibi” has appeared!

    This is a video without commentary – no date, no information the camera’s location (longitude/latitude) or direction (sunrise or sunset) or who in the world took the video. It is posted as sufficient visual evidence that “Nibi” is getting closer? What kind of quality scientific investigation is this? I think it’s BS (Bachelor of Science).

    The only visual evidence of “Nibi” are photos or videos posted – a few times, irregularly. These are NOT daily visual sightings, week to week sightings or presentations providing a clear indication that “Nibi” is moving in a orbit.

    If Marieanne would post all of the pictures and videos she holds in date order (noting the photo/video was taken), we would see the inconsistency of the size and location of “Nibi” between the first “sighting” and the date of the latest “sighting”.

    I’ve seen posted with Heaven Awaits a picture of “Nibi” as a very large planet and as bright as our sun. Pictures of “Nibi” at various distances from the sun.

    IF it is so big and sooo close (remember it was to be here 2003 or July 2013) anybody would be able to look up and see it as I see the moon last night or as I see the sun by day.

    The reference to “Nibi” in the Babylonian tablets came from the same demonic library that helped build the pyramids in the same alignment as the belt of Orion, create the Mayan calendar (12/22/2012 – end of the age), and informed an Asian woman (Queen?) wearing a lovely red dress in recently posted video by Marianne.This witch (of a different culture) also knows about Nibi and we trust her sources don’t we?

    Excuse me – I do not trust the source of the Babylonian tablets, pyramid builders, the Queen in the red dress. Why? The source is the father of lies.

    Please.

    BTW – that telescope is on Mt. Graham in Az, while Area 51 is about a 10+ hour drive northwest into the state of Nevada.

    The days of darkness that coming – those days are for anyone who does not walk in the light as He is in the light. It will not take Planet X to accomplish this event. Those promoting Planet X (“Nibi”) who do not profess Jesus Christ as Lord are in darkness.

    Believers should be praying for them – not seeking after or believing the propaganda of darkness.

    Blessings
    Psalm 64

    • DJ, other than the prophecies and history of the Torah, I don’t believe in the predictions of false prophets, visionaries, or dreamers though when we don’t follow YHWH’s Word, He can use pagans to warn us for e.g. Balam & the Donkey …. but I have a whole lot of study on Nibiru in the Hebraic perspective and what the ancient sages had to say about this disaster planet and yes, this is the same one mentioned int he Bk of Rev. But No, I will not post the link here for I have read enough of the egotistic responses from, NOT ALL, but some hard headed Christians. And by the way I don’t believe Sitchin is wrong … different individuals have different opinions to suit their satisfaction in criticizing the work of another.

      Btw, the 3 days of coming darkness is literal, the plagues in Egypt were literal, if you don’t believe this, it means you don’t believe that YHWH parted the Suph Sea (Reed Sea), nor do you even believe that His Word is the Truth… Scroll down and read more below.

      • Bethany,

        I hope you see this reply in your email.

        Why do you question my faith in Yeshua – who is my Messiah? Is it because I disagree with you strongly on what is literal and what is a left to interpretation?

        Is it because I said, “Nibi” is a fable from the library of the devil? I can prove that too with a link.

        Thank you for giving me this opportunity to share what I learned from a study of the Hebrew text of events and a search for truth, which can be found in Scriptures and by archeology and/or astronomy.

        There is the archeology.

        YHWH did part the Red Sea and here is proof.

        http://www.wyattmuseum.com/red-sea-crossing.htm

        As for the 3 days of darkness in Egypt – yes there were 3 days that were very dark indeed to the body, soul and spirit of the Egyptians. This darkness that did occur – it was far far more significant that blocking out the sun (literal) for 3 days.

        I’m going to repeat some of what I wrote above – but maybe someone will read this reply and not see the one above. It is worth repeating.

        “Then the Lord told Moses, “Raise your hand into the air and darkness will cover Egypt. It will be so dark you can feel it!”

        So Moses raised his hand into the air and a cloud of darkness covered Egypt. The darkness stayed in Egypt for three days. None of the people could see each other, and no one got up to go any place for three days. But there was light in all the places where the Israelites lived” (Exodus 10:21-23, ERV).

        Here are some reasons why I think this is literal mental, spiritual darkness not literal physical darkness (no sun light by day or moon and star light by night).

        One reason is that Exodus chapter 10 does not say that the sun did not shine or was hidden, does it?

        They would have oil for lamps and wood for fire, right?

        There is no account of God removing oil and wood from the Egyptians. There was not a plague upon oil, wood or fire.

        It does not say fire light (candle, oil or burning wood) was removed from Egypt (ERV).

        A cloud of darkness fell upon them when Moses raised his hand into the air. The light from a flame was not removed – that is an assumption.

        The King James translation is as follows:”And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days” (Exodus 10:22, KJV).

        Let’s examine the original language (“thick darkness”) with Strong’s Hebrew dictionary.

        H653, Thick: (Feminine), duskiness, figuratively misfortune; concretely concealment: – dark, darkness, gloominess.

        H2822, Darkness: the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: – dark (-ness), night, obscurity.

        Let’s examine the original language (“light in their dwelling”) with Strong’s Hebrew dictionary.

        H215, Light: illumination or (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.): – bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.

        H3427, Dwelling: a seat; figuratively a site; abstractly a session; by extension an abode (the place or the time); by implication population: – assembly, dwell in, dwelling (-place), wherein (that) dwelt (in), inhabited place, seat, sitting, situation, sojourning.

        If anyone still think these 3 days were literal physical darkness (no sun light or flame of light), please keep “an open mind” and consider spiritual and/or mental darkness.

        Job 5:8-16 gives an account of such darkness upon the so called wise but are truly wicked.

        “He frustrates the devices of the crafty, so that their hands achieve no success. He catches the wise in their own craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are brought to a quick end. They meet with darkness in the daytime and grope at noonday as in the night. But he saves the needy from the sword of their mouth and from the hand of the mighty. So the poor have hope, and injustice shuts her mouth” (ESV).

        Please read Job 15:20-35 for additional insight on such spiritual darkness, which can explain the 9th Egyptian plague.

        “The wicked man writhes in pain all his days, through all the years that are laid up for the ruthless. Dreadful sounds are in his ears; in prosperity the destroyer ["Angel of Death"]will come upon him.

        He does not believe that he will return out of darkness, and he is marked for the sword. He wanders abroad for bread, saying, ‘Where is it?’

        He knows that a day of darkness is ready at his hand; distress and anguish terrify him; they prevail against him, like a king ready for battle. Because he has stretched out his hand against God and defies the Almighty, running stubbornly against him with a thickly bossed shield…”(ESV).

        Again, Scripture provides us addition information on the oppressive darkness.

        Please read Job 3:1-10 for a description of dark depression. Those were dark days for Job as Satan was given permission by God to test Job. Lets read how Job felt under the conditions. He lamented the day he was born:

        “Let the day perish on which I was born, and the night that said, ‘A man is conceived.’

        Let that day be darkness! May God above not seek it, nor light shine upon it. Let gloom and deep darkness claim it. Let clouds dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it. That night—let thick darkness seize it!

        Let it not rejoice among the days of the year; let it not come into the number of the months. Behold, let that night be barren; let no joyful cry enter it. Let those curse it who curse the day, who are ready to rouse up Leviathan” (Job 3:1-10).

        The darkness oppressing the land of Egypt was something only the Egyptians could feel. So then, what is the evidence of these specific people have a feeling of darkness?

        This mental, spiritual darkness that they literally felt was – deep depression, despair, gloom, lethargy, despondency, mind-binding confusion, forgetfulness, and other such emotional darkness. This “cloud of darkness” was pervasive throughout the entire population of Egyptians.

        Genesis Exodus 10:23 in the New King James tells us, “nor did anyone rise from his place for three days.”

        Oh! The Egyptians in the mists of darkness did not get up (arise) and go anywhere. Only because they could not see their first or next step, right?

        Also, their emotional state was so dark that they did not “see one another”.

        The Egyptians were, by Hebrew figurative definition of the word “see” – “not able to consider, discern, take heed, regard or have respect for one another” for 3 days. The Egyptians felt the oppression of darkness and it was so deep that they were self absorbed in their personal mental anguish.

        In addition, this mental state was so dense that it keep them from even getting up in the morning as we read – “nor did anyone rise from his place for three days.”

        This seems to be a literal state of mental, emotional, spiritual bondage – a deep depressing “cloud of darkness”, which they could not escape for 72 long hours.

        As the Egyptians were struggling with this mental, spiritual darkness the Israelites had “light in their dwellings”.

        The children of God had light in their “dwellings” – peace, joy, loving-kindness, and other attributes of the light – the Spirit of God. They are the Israelites (pun intended).

        How do we know the light is mental/spiritual?

        “He protects his holy people. He keeps them from stumbling. But evil people will be destroyed. They will fall in the darkness. Their power won’t help them win” (1st Samuel 2:9, ERV).

        For You are my lamp, O Lord, and my God lightens my darkness. For by You I can run against a troop, and by my God I can leap over a wall. This God—his way is perfect; the word of the Lord proves true; He is a shield for all those who take refuge in Him” (2 Samuel 22:29-31).

        “Commit your way to the Lord; trust in Him, and He will act. He will bring forth your righteousness as the light, and your justice as the noonday” (Psalm 34:5-6).

        “You, LORD, keep my lamp burning; my God turns my darkness into light” (Psalm 18:28).

        “Hate evil, you who love the LORD, Who preserves the souls of His godly ones; He delivers them from the hand of the wicked. Light is sown like seed for the righteous and gladness for the upright in heart. Be glad in the LORD, you righteous ones, and give thanks to His holy name” (Psalm 97:10-12).

        The Hebrew word for light (H216) in Exodus chapter 10, which was in the Hebrew’s dwelling is the same “light” (H216) as we read in all the above verses. It is spiritual light.

        Our Lord tells a great deal about the power of the light, keeping us close to Him, trusting Him and being children of God.

        Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But, if one walks in the night he stumbles, because the light is not in him” (John 11:9-10)

        As for verse my faith in the Word, as in the way, the truth and the life – this verse summarizes it best:

        “Lord Jehovah, my light and my salvation, of whom shall I be afraid? Lord Jehovah is the strength of my life; by whom am I shaken?” (Pslam 27:1).

        Blessings to you.

        • Wow, I sorta stumbled onto this site(hmmm) and reading what you just said. I had always taken this to be literal, but your comments have made me think otherwise. Thank you for sharing! remember folks, that not everyone is going to see things the same way and some do more studying than others. we can learn from them and it keeps us getting into the word to see if these things be or not. That is a good thing.

  25. “Nibi” Full agreement with you on that DJ — ty

  26. DJ,
    Well we don’t agree on much, but I applaud your post above. Saves me the time to write exactly the same thing.

    Bethany,
    What else can I say? People who believe everything they see on YouTube without checking for the truth are doing God a disservice. The truth is in the bible, not YouTube videos or ancient pagan tablets and myths.
    The Vatican telescope is in Arizona for the same reason all the other observatories were built there – clear skies and stable air. The Vatican astronomers are using their instruments to try to prove scientifically that God created the universe. They are not tracking Nibiru or aliens or looking for signs of the Second Coming.
    And you say this:
    “And yes, NIBIRU is real which is also called WORMWOOD in the bk of Rev. and so it was deliberately named by NASA.“
    Say what? I go to the NASA website a lot and not only did they NOT name Nibiru, they clearly say that Nibiru is a hoax and there is no evidence whatsoever that any such object exists.
    I tell you what. Go to the NASA website and pull up the information on how they named Nibiru (or even any info that it even exists) and I will apologize profusely. If not, then that means you got your information from other sources, who lied and you were gullible enough to believe it.
    If you believe in lies (that were propagated by Satan) then you are part of Babylon and we all know what happens to Babylon before the Second Coming.
    There are enough Roman pagan practices such as Sunday worship polluting today’s churches without adding even more to the mix. Stick with the bible and forget false YouTube videos when it comes to understanding the word of God. The world abounds with false prophets and we need to protect our faith closely at this time.
    You call me a skeptic but I don’t think you understand what the word implies. I don’t believe all the Nibiru hype because I know for a fact they are bogus. 57 years of studying astronomy has told me so. Being a skeptic simply means reserving opinion until you are able to verify something. If Nibiru ever does appear I will study the data and reevaluate my stance at that time. I do this all the time. There have been many things I didn’t believe in at first, then after some study, decided to change my mind about. I’ve read the Book of Mormon and the Koran but I didn’t believe them. Would you? I they put the Koran on YouTube would you become Muslim? You seem to believe everything you see on it, and you already believe in Babylonian myths now, so why not the Koran?
    If that idea sounds repulsive to you, then you know how I feel about Nibiru.
    Satan does not want you to verify his lies, just simply believe them.
    Will you follow Satan or will you service the Lord and reject false doctrines?
    I leave that to you.
    Bless

    • James,

      Yes – for once we agree.

      Seems to me the Scriptures hold the truth. We are to ask the Lord and the Spirit leads us to all truth.

      “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened” (Matthew 7:7-8).

      “Take delight in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart” (Psalm 37:4).

      “If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer” (Matthew 21:22).

      Reading Babylonian tablets, Egyptian signs, considering visions from New Age religion zealots, obscure photo/video posts, and listening to witches in beautify red dresses do not align with the above verses. It reminds me of Saul seeking advise from an ungodly, demonic scorce (witch of Endor) in 1st Samuel chapter 28.

      Endor – also known as Tana among the Ewok species was the cyan gas giant planet orbited by the forest moon of Endor. The name “Endor” was also sometimes used for the forest moon. The planet itself was less well known than the moon. A large body, probably the planet Endor, can be seen in the sky from the forest moon during some night scenes in the two Ewok telefilms…The planet can also be seen in space in Star Wars: X-wing Alliance” (starwars.wikia.com)

      Do me a favor – don’t agree with me unless you’re absolutely sure. Because when you are right – well, you can take that to the Central Bank of New York City (like that is a secure deposit).

      I’ll go now, forgetting that we had this exchange and ignore you once again (Groucho Marx).

      Blessings
      Psalm 40

  27. Marianne and James,

    Here is classic Biblical sarcasm and a mocking account (Nibiru / Endor).

    “Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him of whom Moses in the Law and also the Prophets wrote– Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.”

    Nathaniel said to him, “Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?”

    Philip said to him, “Come and see.”

    Jesus saw Nathanael coming to Him, and said of him, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no deceit!”…(John 1:45-47).

    Then there is Ezekiel telling the prophets of Baal that their god was not listening because maybe Baal went on a journey (walk to the “toilet”).

    “Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, ‘Choose one bull and prepare it first, for you are the majority; invoke your god by name, but apply no fire.’

    They took the bull that was given them; they prepared it, and invoked Baal by name from morning until noon, shouting, ‘O Baal, answer us!’

    But there was no sound, and none who responded; so they performed a hopping dance about the altar that had been set up.

    When noon came, Elijah mocked them, saying, ‘Shout louder! After all, he is a god. But he may be in conversation, he may be detained, or he may be on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and will wake up.’

    So they shouted louder, and gashed themselves with knives and spears, according to their practice, until the blood streamed over them. When noon passed, they kept raving until the hour of presenting the meal offering. Still there was no sound, and none who responded or heeded” (1 Kings 18:25-29).

    It works (as we see) and can be applied because it is not sinful. Seems to be accepted by Jesus. Almighty God still brought down the fire.

    “Nibi” is not a planet just as Endor is not a planet.

    Blessings

    • DJ,
      The Elijah account would be a good play for a youth group to do. They love humor.
      I read sarcasm in the story of when Jesus was in the home with the Pharisees, and a group of men lowered a sick man down through the roof to get healed. Jesus says to the man, Your sins are forgiven. The Pharisees get all bent out of shape and say, You can’t do that! meaning he wasn’t qualified — like they were. Jesus says, well then, what shall I say? take up your mat and walk? And the man got up and walked.

  28. Please explain each metaphor written in Joel.

    • The earth quakes before them; the heavens tremble. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining. (Joel 2:10, ESV)

      The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. (Joel 2:31, ESV)

      I do not think they are metaphors……

    • Jay,

      There are several mediators within Joel chapter 2 as there are within Revelation. Jesus spoke in parables too – for a reason.

      I’ve come to the conclusion that this “darkness” is not literal – (the sun does not shine by day or moonlight by night).

      “A day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
      like the morning clouds spread over the mountains” (Joel 2:2, NKJV).

      The word darkness (Strong’s Hebrew word translation) means either: “dark; hence (literally) darkness;” or, “figuratively – misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: – dark (-ness), night, obscurity.”

      The word darken (Strong’s Hebrew word translation) means: “A primitive root; to be ashy, that is, dark colored; by implication to mourn (in sackcloth or sordid garments): – be black (-ish), be (make) dark (-en), X heavily, (cause to) mourn.”

      So there is a choice to be made – literal or spiritual/mental or both literal and spiritual/mental.

      If verse 2 and verse 10 are literal, then the whole passage should be understood as literal. Otherwise, it’s pick and choose – turn on the literal when it fits your paradigm and turn it off when it does not fit your paradigm.

      Do they [Army of the Lord - verse 11] literally fall on swords and it does not wound them? (Joel 2:8). What is this sword or weapon that does not wound/harm them?

      “‘No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is from Me,’ Says the Lord” (Isaiah 54:17, NKJV).

      We read that Jesus stands at the door (heart/soul /will) and knocks. If anyone opens the door (heart) to Him – He will come in and abide with them. It is not the door to your home but the door of your heart/soul/will. You choose by your will (heart/soul), deciding to open your self (soul/spirit) up to Him and accepting the Holy Spirit.

      “‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.…” (Revelation 3:19-21).

      Jesus said that one must be “born again” to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

      It was a religious man (Sanhedrin, filled to overflowing with a “spirit of religon”) named Nicodemus who did not understand what Jesus was saying to him:

      “Nicodemus said to Him, ‘How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?'” (John 3:4).

      Nicodemus was a very intelligent man. He read the Scriptures (Old Testament).

      Keep looking into the Scriptures, asking the Lord to teach you by the Holy Spirit (leads us to all truth) and over time (waiting upon the Lord) – He will.

      I’ll post another reply your question later today because there is a lot of intel and information within this chapter. I think verses 2-10 describe the Army of The Lord (verse 11).

      Of course these are just my personal interpretations (subject to revision and correction, thank you Lord). But, I really make an effort to seek out Scriptures (multiple passages) to understand Scripture. Like the Word says, “Seek and you will find”.

      Blessings
      Psalm 25:4-5

      “Show me Your ways, O Lord; Teach me Your paths. Lead me in Your truth and teach me, for You are the God of my salvation; on You I wait all the day.”

      • I still see this as literal. an army sent by God to execute judgement and wrath is a spiritual army, so physical swords would not harm them.

        instead of angels, it sounds like he is unleashing demons to terrorize people, as in Revelation 9:

        2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.

        3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.

        4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

        5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes.

        6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

        7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces.

        8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth.

        9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle.

        10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months.

        11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

    • Jay,

      I think Joel 2:2-11, gives a picture of the Lord’s army and the Lord gives voice to His “mighty men” (think of David’s mighty men), because His camp (assembly of spiritual warriors) is very great (Joel 2:11).

      To understand David’s Mighty Men, please read Psalm 18. This is how I can appreciate the voice He gives to His Army (Joel 2:2-11) in the last days.

      “I will love You, O Lord, my strength. The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. I will call upon the Lord, who is worthy to be praised…So shall I be saved from my enemies…

      He heard my voice from His temple, and my cry came before Him, even to His ears. Then the earth shook and trembled; The foundations of the hills also quaked and were shaken, because He was angry…(Joel 2:10, “The earth quakes before them.”)

      From those who hated me, for they were too strong for me. They confronted me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my support..The Lord rewarded me according to my righteousness; According to the cleanness of my hands He has recompensed me…

      For You will save the humble people, but will bring down haughty looks. For You will light my lamp; the Lord my God will enlighten my darkness (mental/spiritual).

      For by You I can run against a troop, by my God I can leap over a wall (an obstruction liken to a mountain in Joel’s account. As a mountain that can be thrown into the sea – by faith, Matthew 21:21 – literally?)

      As for God, His way is perfect; The word of the Lord is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him. For who is God, except the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God?

      It is God who arms me with strength, and makes my way perfect (Psalm 23:3,”paths of righteousness for His name sake”).

      He makes my feet like the feet of deer, and sets me on my high places. He teaches my hands to make war, so that my arms can bend a bow of bronze.

      You have also given me the shield of Your salvation (“Armor of God”, Ephesians 6). Your right hand has held me up,Your gentleness has made me great. You enlarged my path under me, so my feet did not slip.

      I have pursued my enemies and overtaken them; Neither did I turn back again till they were destroyed. I have wounded them, so that they could not rise; They have fallen under my feet (Luke 10:19, “snakes and scorpions”).

      For You have armed me with strength for the battle; You have subdued under me those who rose up against me.You have also given me the necks of my enemies, so that I destroyed those who hated me. They cried out, but there was none to save; Even to the Lord, but He did not answer them. Then I beat them as fine as the dust before the wind; I cast them out like dirt in the streets…

      The Lord lives! Blessed be my Rock!

      Let the God of my salvation be exalted…You also lift me up above those who rise against me; You have delivered me from the violent man. Therefore I will give thanks to You, O Lord, among the Gentiles, and sing praises to Your name.

      Great deliverance He gives to His king, and shows mercy to His anointed, to David and his descendants forevermore” (NKJV).

      There are a few more Scriptures that give insight to Joel 2 and The Lord’s Army.

      I believe that Malachi 4 applies to the last days – telling us who will endure and who will not endure it (Joel 2:11).

      “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze (Joel 2:3), says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.

      But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings (Psalm 18 and others). You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts” (Malachi 4:1-3, ESV).

      As for the darkness – I’ll write a reply tomorrow.

      Blessings
      Psalm 23

  29. Jay,

    An additional comment to my above reply.

    There will be “Blood Moons” but the moon will not turn to blood (literal). Blood moons is Hebrew language like Americans call a particular moon “Blue”, “Wolf” or “Harvest”.

    A solar eclipse does create a “sack cloth” effect and the sun does not shine bright for several minutes.

    Those are signs in the heavens.

    But, there is a spiritual/mental darkness that lasts much much longer with greater impact upon the body, mind and spirit.

    More later.

  30. Marianne,

    Okay – I understand that connection, but what about verse 11:

    “The Lord calls loudly to his army. His camp is very large.The army obeys his commands.His army is very powerful. The Lord’s special day is a great and terrible day. No one can stop it” (Easy-to-Read).

    “The Lord gives voice before His army, for His camp is very great; for strong is the One who executes His word. For the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; Who can endure it?” (NKJV).

    Now in context –

    (10) The earth quakes before them (who?) the heavens tremble. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.

    Answer:

    (11) The Lord utters His voice before His army, for His camp is exceedingly great; he who executes His word is powerful. For the day of the Lord is great and very awesome; who can endure it?” (English Standard Version).

    I did a study on this over a year ago and can’t find my notes!

    So, I need some time to locate those notes (Scriptures) or rebuild the study. But, my sinuses are a mess, slowing me down and only able to concentrate for short period of time – I’m out of time. Zzzzz.

    Quickly – maybe Rev 9 is strategic assignment upon the wicked, unrepentant souls. God does use such measures (Plagues/Angel of Death upon Egypt or a physical military application as in Babylonians upon Jerusalem).

    But, there is evidence of the Army of The Lord during a mighty work – upon walls, upon chariots of fire (not so much da movie), through windows, marching in order, staying on their path and not pushing each other.

    Who can stand against the Army of the Lord?

    Not the wicked (seeking repentance on their knees, facing a spiritual filled servant of the Lord), no demon obviously and no body filled with demons either (“faces drained with color” aka zombies).

    “Lift up a standard on the bare hill, raise your voice to them, waive the hand that they may enter the doors of the nobles. I have commanded My consecrated ones, I have even called My mighty warriors, My proudly exulting ones, to execute My anger.…(Isaiah 13:2-3).

    “‘Their stronghold will fall because of terror; at the sight of the battle standard their commanders will panic’, declares the LORD, whose fire is in Zion, whose furnace is in Jerusalem” (Isaiah 31:9).

    “You have given a banner to those who fear You, that it may be displayed because of the truth. Selah” (Psalm 60:4, NAS).

    I’m done….my eyes and head hurts (“poor baby”).

    Later, I look for my notes and get back to you and Jay.

    Blessings to you.

    • It seems like God would not need all that heavenly power to come against humans….he would use that to fight in the heavenlies..against demonic forces.

      since it is the day of the Lord, which is associated with wrath, not redemption, I see the army as sent by God, because he lifts his hand of protection and releases them…on the wicked

      god usually uses the enemy to punish the sinner, or famine, or pestilance…..

      so that is what i see here.

      otherwise, I do not know why the angels would make such a show just to scare humans.

      but you could be right

      • Marianne,

        I read Revelation 12 and think there is Devine assistance given to the Army of The Lord (some Believers). Angels are a blessing, thank you Father God (Psalm 91).

        “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death” (Revelation 12:10-11, ESV).

        Here is the easy to read translation with my [thoughts].

        “Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say, ‘The victory and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Messiah have now come.’

        These things have come [to The Army of the Lord] because the accuser of our brothers and sisters [the Body of Christ] has been thrown out. He is the one who accused them day and night before our God. They defeated [overcame] him by the blood sacrifice of the Lamb and by the message of God that they told people. They did not love their lives too much. They were not afraid of death” (Revelation 12:10-11, ERV).

        http://www.derekprince.org/Publisher/File.aspx?id=1000021499

        Since Satan has been cast down – those who comprehend the power (2nd Timothy 1:7), what the Kingdom is (Romans 14:17) and the authority of His name (Keys to bind/loose, and snakes/scorpions under our feet) – the Lord’s Army is capable and able to defeat him because they are not afraid of death. We are fighting against powers of the air. This is like the 2 witnesses – who do a mighty work, realizing that they will be slain, rising in victory, thank you Lord.

        The above is just sharing a personal interpretation and not intended to persuade or even debate anyone.

        Blessings.

  31. DJ,

    Thx, that lends another view on the issue.

  32. The whole warfare of Man is the Human Spirit against the Heavenly Spirit. So you all kind of right in you thoughts. God uses Mankind and His Bride to combat Satans death, hell , and the grave. God uses man to do his will. God knew Judas was a fleshy man which had a Devil -spirit in him.
    God used Peter and he opened the gates of Hell by his revelation of who Jesus Was. The Son of God – Later at Pentecost Peter became a “Son of God. The war was on. Peter and disciples were tormented by the religions that they came out of. Is that right. Threatened , beaten, Killed, etc. etc. And by the World also. Men of SIN – sons of perdition=destruction

    Each Spirit makes war with the other. Christ wins the war. This is what the Seals are all about. Heavenly Spirit in man conflicting with Human devilish spirit of satan. Satan is an Adversary – and accuser of the brethren.

    Rev. 6:1-2 The Devil mankind wants to Conquer and lift himself up in flesh bodies over Gods will. His end is mentioned over and over in the book of Revelation. Satan will be burnt with fire to ashes. Mal. 4 not even a root left.

    Bottom line: – They both live in Flesh Bodies while on earth. And they both started in a Fallen condition but the Chosen were Gods Chosen generations. His Holy Nation. His Peculiar people. Against the Worldly people. This is the 7 fold War on earth started by Cain not wanting to do Gods will let along know what the right sacrifice was. Its about Religions in Nations.

    A spirit cannot get a gun and load it and fire it. It takes Man to do that. It takes a Body of flesh with a Spirit in it to drive that flesh man into Hatred and want to kill, steal, and destroy. But the Holy Spirit placed in Man is the Power to Overcome all devilish spirits that are in mankind. And He blesses his Chosen few with Eternal life, and life more abundant and running over with blessings. Even if you kill a Christian – He is still blessed for his real life was always to be Eternal life. Not temporal.

    I agree with you all. I know that is a shock right. But we still have to rightly divide it.

    bro. ty

  33. Who are gods – So simple
    PSALM 82:1-8 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the CONGREGATION of the MIGHTY ; he judgeth among the GODS .
    2. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the PERSONS of the WICKED? Selah.
    3. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
    4. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
    5. They know not, NEITHER WILL THEY UNDERSTANDD; they WALK ON IN DARKNESS: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
    6. ¶ I have said, YE ARE GODS; and ALL OF YOU “CHILDREN of the MOST HIGH.
    7. But ye shall DIE LIKE MEN, and fall like one of the princes.
    8. Arise, O God, JUDGE the earth: for thou shalt inherit all NATIONS.

    ““CONGREGATION ”” 5707 witness (of people)

    “MIGHTY ” – 410 from ‘elohiym’ = plurality – Every time you read “GOD” in the O.T it says elohiym. This is what it means below –
    1. god, god-like one, mighty one
    2. mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes
    3. angels
    4. god, false god, (demons, imaginations)= wicked people=sons of perdition
    5. God, the one true God, Jehovah = Son’s of God
    6. mighty things in nature – Nature is Character, Spirit, Soul
    7. strength, power

    Evil or Wicked sons of perdition are DEVILS, DEMONS =Judged to die like animals – beast – let themselves become beastly and wicked.

    Sons of God – Are the True Gods of Jesus Christ – Sons of Eternal life.
    Jesus said – come unto me “Tree of Life” why will you perish.

    Man said – come unto me “ tree of Knowledge” you will be as god.
    Yea the god of darkness with no understanding and will perish in flames.

    The human spirit must be “replaced” by the “Holy Spirit”
    Every seed brings forth of its own Nation. Evil nations or Holy Nation’s
    The Bride of Christ is the Holy Nation, out of ALL Nations
    The Bride of satan – are the unholy nations – that fight against us.
    So simple a baby could understand it. Nations are People – Mankind –

    Everytime the O.T reads ” LORD” its speaking of the 1 GOD of all created beings.
    Everytime the O.T says the word “GOD” its speaking of plural gods and GODS. Evil and Good only 2 trees in the garden – we are one or the other. False Knowledge processes you into the “Mark of the Beast” sons
    True Knowledge processes you into the “Mark of God – sons

    Bro ty – Jesus gave His life for us to know the “truth” but you have to read and study and seek it and you will find. oh! and rid yourself of all denomi-Nations of religion and world

    • true

      there is only one God….the rest are evil powers who would like to take his place in our lives.

    • Tom,
      You said, Everytime the O.T says the word “GOD” its speaking of plural gods and GODS

      Genesis 1:1 says, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth…and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

  34. Tom and Chris,

    The name Elohim (Genesis chapter 1) references God as we read in 1st John: “God, the Word and Holy Spirit” (1st John 5:7). The Hebrew name for God applied in Genesis 1 is “Elohim”.

    “Let us” matches up with “and God (Elohim) said”. The Three were actively involved in creation.

    Here is the proof text for the Hebrew word Elohim (God):

    “For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one” (1st John 5:7, NKJV).

    Elohim is not applied every time we read “God” is the Old Testament.

    Jesus address God (frequently if not always) as “Adonai” (Master), which is not plural.

    I suggest downloading E-Sword. This free software gives you access to reading every word in the Old Testament with the Hebrew word meaning. Every word in the New Testament is provided with the Greek word meaning.

    http://www.e-sword.net/links.html

    Blessings

  35. ((1)) To: James Giordano & DJ – This is long and the 2nd part to follow so get a cool beverage and buckle up.
    My main point was that if we are believers in YHWH (The True God) then we MUST believe in His every Word. Your comment is not only baseless but spiteful and bitter after all you guys are skceptics.
    JG, You can boast of your credentials about astronomy, engineering, yara, yara, yara, but where is that going to lead you if you don’t take YHWH’s Words literally. [What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but suffers the loss of his own soul MARK 8:38/MATT.16:26]. You may think you know all about the Bible but really you know nothing. Your interpretation of scripture is your very own. Scripture Understanding is a gift that comes only from the Holy Spirit of YHWH but you don’t follow in His Way – rather, the Babylonian way. Therefore, your place will not be with Him. “Your name will not be written in His Book of Life”. It’s ironic that you accuse me of following in pagan ways just for posting the video links and stressing on the LITERAL stars falling from Heaven this shows you don’t believe what happened in Sodom & Gomorrah. Why would you? You are Christian!! The Babylonians practiced magic and all forms of witchcraft and they still do. I know Christians who attend church and then they read astrology or use Tarot cards and visit ring-maidens. Of course I can clearly see that you are coming from the same group. I thank YHWH I do not live in the Great Whore of Babylon neither am I a follower of her religion (Christianity) or any religion for all these are steeped in paganism. If you had any faith in the True Savior, you would have learned of His Real Name and the Blessed meaning of His name and followed His Feasts but you follow Xmas and other pagan feasts. You would have earned the 5 Gifts of the Holy Spirit (PROVERBS 2) but instead you go exploring other religions such as Islam etc.. Most of your type who have tried to “simply know” what Islam is about, have gotten so imbedded in it and brainwashed that they have turned into Jihadist against their own country and their fellow citizens.
    Next, All youtube videos and websites are not false as you claim. Your little knowledge is very bad. Many are very educational with much time and research put into them. I repeat, it’s easy for folks like you to sit @ your computers and criticize those who teach and warn through their precious time and hard work bcoz you guys have really nothing good to share. Your criticism and skepticism is the height of your ignorance and I repeat ignorant folks die both, a physical and spiritual death. Remember Christianity is the daughter of the Whore of Babylon Rev.17 who is all out to drag her followers into the pit with her. Here’s some info and definition of Christianity:
    ———————————————————
    [As early as 200 BCE, there were Pagan worshippers of SERAPIS that called themselves "CHRISTIANS". The word "CRESTOS" (or KRISTOS, CHREISTOS) isn't English, it's Greek. If we follow the redemption plan of our Creator, keeping the Torah of YHWH, we are counted among the citizenship of Israel; not a "Gentile", foreign nation Eph.11-22. - The American Heritage Illustrated Encyclopedic Dictionary tells us the etymology for the word CRETIN: cre-tin (kre-tin, kret'n) n. 1.One afflicted with Cretinism. 2. A fool; an idiot. (French, cretin, from Swiss French, crestin, CHRISTIAN, - hence human being (an idiot being nonetheless human).
    Cretinism is dwarfism and or retardation. Cretin is simply the word that is derived from the word CHRISTIAN, crestin. The word christianos was used twice in the Greek text as a device of scorn, since in the ancient world it conveyed a much different sense than it does today. The use of the word christianos did not “name” the sect, but it was a derisive, scornful label that meant they were like gullible, dumb beasts, or “cretins”.
    The word “christianos” (Latin, Christianus) was a term of scorn, traced back through a related word which history never “revised”: cre•tin (krēt'n) n. A person afflicted with cretinism. Slang: An idiot.]
    Do your research – Don’t just bash others. … Read more below.

  36. ((2)) To: To: James Giordano & DJ
    Agnostics and atheists today are ruled by an egotistical spirit and they will not believe in the Almighty Supernatural Being who created the universe and put varying sized objects in it for special signs and wonders for human beings. Besides He Himself has explained in the TORAH the different phenomena which are LITERAL i.e. the falling of celestial objects to earth, the 3 days of darkness, MATT.24:29-30, the earth reeling to and fro ISIAH.24:20 and much more, for the WORD of YHWH is LITERAL. Many want to take the Bible out of all facets of modern life because they believe it is just “another book composed of tall tales.” Most are PSEUDO Bible readers and believe they already have all the answers through science and human intellect.
    After Yahshua’s death and resurrection the Jewish converts died off and were replaced by Gentiles. The ekklesia (known as the early “church”) for the most part became “Gentile Christianity” and lost its Israelite or Jewish roots. Paganism was adopted wholesale. The church soon was composed of unconverted pagans who continued in their heathen customs. Pagan doctrines began to supplant the Savior’s New Covenant teachings and perverted His message. Sunday replaced the Sabbath(Shabbat). Pagan days such as Christmas, Hallowe’en, Lent, and Easter soon displaced the holy days of LEVITICUS 23. False teachings like going to heaven and the immortal soul idea were baptized and woven into the fabric of “Christian” worship. Pagan worship continued on pagan days, but was now syncretized with a new meaning supposedly adapted to the Bible. The “gentile Christian church” now claimed the promises made to Israel. Christianity no longer looked to the Jews to learn when Passover was to occur, but turned to the worship of Ashtoreth (The biosexual god/goddess) at the time of the vernal equinox, calling it “Easter.” Pagan worship revolved around the movement of celestial bodies, and the solstices and equinoxes were the standards for heathen holidays. Xmas came at the time of the winter solstice. The term Easter was derived from the pagan deity Eostre which was the name of the goddess of spring. “In her honor sacrifices were offered at the time of the vernal equinox. The celebration in honor of Eostre (Ashtoreth) was adopted by the church and changed to honor the resurrection of the Savior, an observance nowhere commanded in the TORAH. “Christians are never told to remember His resurrection, but to remember His death”. Sadly this is Christianity, the daughter of the whore Rev.17. Christians maybe waiting to be raptured but not a single time is the word Christianity mentioned in the Torah besides Yahshua clearly states, “Salvation is of the Hebrews,” (John.4:22), referring to Himself as the ultimate Savior Who would spring from Judah to save His own people. Therefore, Yahshua is not going to take the Christians UP and let His own Hebrews remain here and suffer the tribulation. So get that out of your heads and get into studying and following the TORAH in order to be grafted into future ISRAEL. Lastly if the TORAH is not followed, then the TETRADS and all other SIGNS IN THE HEAVENS will mean NOTHING to the CHRISTIANS. You can respond if you want to but I’m won’t be on this blog anymore.

  37. DJ you said – Here is the proof text for the Hebrew word Elohim (God):
    “For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one” (1st John 5:7, NKJV).
    Elohim is not applied every time we read “God” is the Old Testament.

    DJ – You missed one of the most important things I was saying. I was trying to prove to you all that WE ARE GODS as well. As Ps. 82 plainly tells us.
    It just passes over you all somehow or another.
    I gave you the Hebrew meaning of what the Word God means. If you Look up Mal. 2:15 That he might seek a “godly” seed. “Godly” here means the same thing – Trying to prove to you all. Who the Devil really is and you all missed it and it went right over your heads. except for Marianne who caught some of it-

    I said plainly – When the Bible says “LORD” that is the ONE GOD – Self sufficient ONE – As in 1 Jh. 5:7 – Paul also says there is Only ONE LORD
    Every time the O.T reads ” LORD” its speaking of the 1 GOD who created all beings.
    As Ps. 82:6 plainly says ¶ I have said, YE ARE GODS; and ALL OF YOU “CHILDREN of the MOST HIGH. = the whole of mankind
    7. But ye shall DIE LIKE MEN, and fall like one of the princes. = Die like men – why cause you eat of the wrong tree ‘ The tree of knowledge” not instead of the “Tree of Life Eternal.

    Everytime the O.T says the word “GOD” its speaking of plural gods and GODS. Evil and Good only 2 trees in the garden – we are one or the other. Evil or Righteous gods.

    False Knowledge processes you into the “Mark of the Beast” sons
    True Knowledge processes you into the “Mark of God – sons

    The words below is the Hebrew meaning of the word gods. They are people.
    ““CONGREGATION ”” 5707 witness (of people) = mankind – ADAM

    “MIGHTY ” – 410 from ‘elohiym’ = plurality – Every time you read “GOD” in the O.T it says elohiym. This is what it means below –
    1. god, god-like one, mighty one
    2. mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes — MEN,MEN, MEN, MEN
    3. angels
    4. god, FALSE gODS , (demons, imaginations)= are fallen men. The SONS OF PERDITION – MEN, MEN, MEN – Who let demons overtake their flesh bodies and souls and become the DEVIL , DEVIL In person ate. Its a progression of letting demons of your HUMAN SPIRIT take control of you. If we Christians could just understand that. You are really fighting against yourself. And don’t even know it.

    Jesus had a real fight with the Devil that was trying to tell HIM that HE did not have to die or suffer the cross. He was fighting that DEVIL that wanted to OVERTAKE HIM . In the Wilderness and Gethsename. BUT He OVERCOME IT ALL. He did not sin like ADAM did.
    Jesus main enemy was His Fleshy humanity. OHHH if you all could just catch it. You would not think it is hopeless to live Holy and Clean and filled with the Holy Spirit.

    5. God, the one true God, Jehovah =Has two kinds of Son’s of God – Those that do not possess the Holy Spirit but rely on their Human Spirit to guide them through the intellect in this world. = they are “sons of perdition” satans, devils, castaways, natural brute beast lost in darkness. Never to rise in resurrection of eternal life.

    Then their are the Sons of God that Possess the Holy Spirit – They rely on the Holy Spirit to Guide them through this world and receive Eternal life.

    Most of you want to believe their is 4 gods in Heaven. And one of them is called Satan that evil “person” that was cast down to earth etc. etc.
    Satan is a person alright – called humanity if not Born again. Being Born again burns out all of the humanity and lets Christ nature and Spirit rule you.

    Their is only ONE PERSON of GOD -SPIRIT&FIRE =#1
    Then manifested in a HUMAN BODY=# 2 so He could die for your sins – Then HE WENT BACK TO THE FATHER in resurrection and became HOLY SPIRIT AGAIN – #3 and came into the 120 in the upper room on PENTECOST. Who were MEN and WOMEN – Making them Gods as well. I am a SON OF GOD — ARE YOU — A SON OF GOD —- or did Jesus die in vain for us. Sons of God are New Creations
    Remember – Adam and Eve had Twins – Cain and Abel. A Beastly human with no conscience and void of mercy. etc etc. So bad God had to Mark him – The first murder was satan killing his brother – After Cain rejected God he was lost and living in darkness. Judas betrayed Jesus with a Kiss of betrayal. Judas was a devil manifest in flesh.
    Today we are to be Jesus Christ manifest in flesh.

    Its all man kinds choice – which one are you going to Process into before you die. You cannot serve Two masters.

    Lord bless you DJ. I rest my case. bro. Ty

  38. Marianne – just trying to show you that the devil is lost mankind. The fallen man. As God said in
    Ps. 82 5. They know not, NEITHER WILL THEY UNDERSTANDD; they WALK ON IN DARKNESS: all the ” FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH ARE OUT OF COURSE.

    From Adam to now – “the foundations of the earth are out of course”. By false gods – man in darkness – man’s wickedness, perversions, backbitings, liars, false accuser’s = devil – adversities = satan — slander – murder, every sin possible. Man is behind it all. Not some supernatural spirit that sets beside God on HIS throne and argues with God.

    It is the Human spirit that sits beside the heart and soul of man. Telling him he is greater than God. or there is no God. Or I do not need God. that is the true devil – It lives in man until Christ sweeps him out of our heart =throne room. Yes this is somewhat spiritual. But all human’s have a spirit and throne room. AS some say. Who is sitting on your throne. When you Overcome that satan or devil that rules the fallen man. Then Jesus Christ sits on your Throne Room with you. Just like satan and devil sits on you throne room as a sinner.

    The Hebrew word for ‘elohiym’ – is pretty self explanatory. We are all Gods children. Evil or Good – never the less we are gods as GOD has declared we are. So we except what God says. Ps. 82 is not an isolated scripture.

    We do not fight the flesh of men. But we do fight the Spirit of satan in high places that lives and rules in fallen manhood. The spirit in man that makes him a sinner is the Human spirit and yes that is God as well – Its everywhere in the world. That is your Satan, and Devil, and Lucifer. Sure they get leaders over them. False gods, That end up always destroying their own subjects. Expecting men to die for their cause of greed, and lust for power. that is the anti-Christ. I do not know how to explain it any better . I do not know why the church is so fixiated trying to find the great Anti-Christ man. Just look around you see the results of Amercan and know its already here.
    This is one way that satan gets Christians off the course and think more about the anti-Christ than they do Christ himself. Its a diversion to say the least.

    God bless – ty

    • Tom,
      You said, never the less we are gods as GOD has declared we are.

      Tom,
      I think you need to be born again. When you ask God to save you because you know you need a savior, he comes in and lives with you. It is supernatural. What most people have in common that have had this happen to them, they say that it is humbling to think that God, the master of the universe, would have any time for them. He is love personified, and his love for us is humbling. The truth is none of us deserve the salvation he gives us, and therefore we live in humble gratitude, living our lives as best we can in a way that honors him. But if we think that we are somehow special, somehow holier because of who we are and what we do, then living in gratitude doesn’t work. Walking out our lives in ways we hope will please him will cause us to act in ways that are better than the people we were without him. So it is not our righteousness, but his. Even when we trip up and fall, it is his righteousness and our own disappointment with ourselves for dishonoring him that puts us back on the road. We are humbled once again because he is happy to take us back.
      Are we God? Not by a long shot.

  39. Tom York,

    What are you talking about – you are a god? Like God? Or as a child of God that makes you a god or God? Psalm 82 is your proof text?

    Sometimes you read (sound like) dru.

    Psalm 82 applies Elohim in the first verse (see E-Sword software for Hebrew translation).

    The word “gods” can mean ruler. “Then God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground'” (Genesis 1:26).

    Jesus references Psalm 82 is this passage fromJohn chapter 10:34-38. The following is from Biblegateway and the Expanded Translation.

    “Jesus answered them, ‘it is written [L Is it not written…?] in your law that God [Elohim] said, ‘I said, you are gods’ [Ps. 82:6; the “gods” here may be Israel’s judges, or the Israelites generally, or angelic powers]. This Scripture called those people gods who received God’s message [word], and Scripture is always true [L cannot be broken/annulled/set aside]. So why do you say that I ·speak against God [L blaspheme] because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? [Jesus is not denying he is God, but is making a lesser-to-greater argument; if Scripture calls lesser beings “gods,” why should they object that he—the One God sent—calls himself the Son of God?] I am the one God [L the Father] chose [consecrated; set apart] and sent into the world. If I don’t do what my Father does [L the works of my Father], then don’t believe me. But if I do what my Father does [the works of my Father; L them], even though you don’t believe in me, believe what I do [L the works]. Then you will ·know [recognize; learn] and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father'” (EXB).

    Same passage from the Easy-to-Read Translation

    “Jesus answered, “It is written in your law that God said, ‘I said you are gods.’ This Scripture called those people gods—the people who received God’s message. And Scripture is always true. So why do you accuse me of insulting God for saying, ‘I am God’s Son’? I am the one God chose and sent into the world. If I don’t do what my Father does, then don’t believe what I say. But if I do what my Father does, you should believe in what I do. You might not believe in me, but you should believe in the things I do. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father'” (ERV).

    From Matthew Henry commentary (Biblegateway).

    “How he explains the text (John 10:35): He called them gods to whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken. The word of God’s commission came to them, appointing them to their offices, as judges, and therefore they are called gods, (Exodus 22:28 – “You shall not revile God, nor curse a ruler [gods] of your people.”)

    To some the word of God came immediately, as to Moses; to others in the way of an instituted ordinance. Magistracy is a divine institution; and magistrates are God’s delegates, and therefore the scripture calleth them gods; and we are sure that the scripture cannot be broken, or broken in upon, or found fault with. Every word of God is right; the very style and language of scripture are unexceptionable, and not to be corrected, Matt. 5:18. (Matthew Henry).

    My righteousness is but filthy rages (Isaiah 64:6). God is the righteous judge. It is by the blood of Yeshua, gift of grace not by my works (god), which makes me righteous before Almighty God (Romans 3:21 and 1st John 5:8).

    God made me out of the dust of the earth and breathed life into me. He did not create a god – but humans.

    I am a child (spiritual, relationship) with Abba Father. He knitted me tougher in my mother’s womb (Psalm 139:13-14), literal?

    Excuse me, but I’m not interested in this topic of gods and God. This was about 4 Blood Moons, which are a heavenly sign.

    We are the fig tree generation (1947 the proclamation went forth from UN + 70 years per Ps. 90:10 = 2017). Those Blood Moons occur during Hebrew Feast days between 2014 and 2015. These Hebrew Blood Moons and the sign in the heavens on 09/29/11 are the heavenly signs of the end of this age.

    Blessings

    • tom and DJ

      that psalm 82 is really confusing……we not not really gods

      if that were true, then the snake in the garden was telling the truth…and eve was not deceived.

  40. Chris,

    Amen.

  41. DJ Said – This Scripture called those people gods who received God’s message [word], and Scripture is always true [L cannot be broken/annulled/set aside].
    Answer: I agree 100% what you say above. Why mess it up with manmade theology.
    What have I been telling you all for over a Year and a ½ now. Every Age has a Message that you MUST believe to be a Spirit filled Christian and (Overcome in your age).
    To reject Christ present Message and Crucify the WORD is to be cursed no matter how religious you seemed to be. Moses message was not Adam’s message – Noah’s message was not Isaiah’s Message, Abraham’s message was not like Moses, Noah’s or Isaiah’s.
    Different Ages bring in a Brand NEW Message. You cannot live off of yesterdays manna.
    Jesus said they will take the OLD and will not receive the NEW wine. Jesus said it truly right.

    DJ Said – So why do you say that I ·speak against God [L blaspheme] because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? [Jesus is not denying he is God, but is making a lesser-to-greater argument; if Scripture calls lesser beings “gods,” why should they object that he—the One God sent
    Answer: -JOHN 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, BEING A MAN MAKETH THYSELF GOD — (They got it backwards like most today) – they should have known the true interpretation of their own Messiah. HE WAS GOD AND MAKETH HIMSELF MAN.

    JOHN 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
    “I” is GOD and JESUS is agreeing and saying the same thing Jehovah God said. Jehovah of the O.T is Jesus in the N.T.
    JOHN 10:35 If HE called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the (scripture cannot be broken;)
    1. These two scriptures from Jesus should be self explanatory. If Psalms 82 said God said (“Ye are all gods“). What happens to your literal concepts. Now you want to get Spiritual and deny a Literal quote from God himself And the Lord Jesus. HELLO
    2. The God/Man Messiah spoke the same word – This is enough for me to believe.
    3. Ye are gods? Jh. 10:34 God here is “Theos”N.T. For 1 & ½ years been telling you all that you are a THEO-PHANY = Phany means flesh . So “we” are selves have to be Part of GOD. Especially with our NEW CREATION or BIRTH – If you do not believe that – then how can you even be a real Christian full of Jesus Christ the HOLY SPIRIT.

    DJ SAID – My righteousness is but filthy rages (Isaiah 64:6). God is the righteous judge. It is by the blood of Yeshua, gift of grace not by my works (god), which makes me righteous before Almighty God (Romans 3:21 and 1st John 5:8).
    God made me out of the dust of the earth and breathed life into me. He did not create a god – but humans.
    ANSWER: Yes your OWN righteousness is filthy RAGS – But when God’s Righteousness comes into your HEART by GRACE it burns out them filthy rags, and makes you a New Creation. The Moons are not going to make you a New Creation.
    What you have done is proved to yourself that GOD cannot live in me. Im just a sinner. Nothing but trash. Oh Im so humble to admit it. You just keep PUSHING God out of your life. Cause you cannot figure out why you cannot OVERCOME . That is from the Lord telling me to you.
    The Human Spirit will always overtake you. If you give him a ok to come in and fulfill the evil desires of the heart. If you believe just a “little” God said He will even take that away from you and give it to somebody that will use it and add more faith to them. It is a serious thing to be called a Christian yet will not believe simple Scriptures. Christ IN YOU the hope of Glory is proven to still be a “mystery” to the average church people.

    JAMES 1:12-16 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them THAT LOVE HIM.
    13. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
    14. But every man is tempted, when he is DRAWN AWAY BY HIS OWN LUST, and enticed.
    15. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. —- SIN is UN-BELIEF
    16. Do not err, my beloved brethren.

    Easy believe-ism is the worst PLAGUE you can have in this age.
    I tried to help – bro ty

  42. Judy,

    I apply 2 Timothy 2:7, asking Him to explain His Word.

    Seems to me the answers are within Scriptures (OT and NT), even within the Psalms.

    Blessings
    Colossians 1:9-12 is also for you too!

  43. Dan,

    Paul gave Timothy this key to understanding Scriptures and it is hidden, very hard to find unless reading slowly and with your eyes wide open.

    “Refect on what I am saying, for The Lord will give you insight into all this” (2nd Timothy 2:7, NIV).

    Remember He spoke in parables to confound those who think they know everything. It takes a relationship with Jesus for Hin to reveal the message.

    We go before God and our righteousness is but fithly rags – we need Jesus. What makes you think we can think clearly without Him?

    Blessings
    Psalm 40

  44. I agree with you Marianne.

  45. You’ve left out the significant events that occurred when the blood moons and lunar eclipses occurs on Feast days…..expelling of Jews from Spain 1492?…..Israel became a nation 1948/1949…..wining Jerusalem in six day war 1967
    …those significant events are why we look closely at these upcoming blood moons/lunar eclipses occurring AGAIN on Yahweh’s appointed Feasts ;)

    • true….something significant may happen, but many are trying to make it the tribulation itself…and on this , I want to wait and see what happens. :)

      • Marianne,
        Pastor blitz was on Prophecy in the News this Sunday. he said that the last of the 4 blood moons would be a super moon, which means it is the biggest and the brightest of full mo because it is t closest it will get to the earth. Also it is going to be when the Jews are camping outs in their grass huts during the feast of tabernacles. They will all see it.

        As the Bible says, “Watch therefore: because you know not what hour he comes.”
        I think given the choice between expecting and being cautious, it seems to me we are told to err on the side of expecting.

  46. People still have not learned from the crap we all heard before. The Jupiter Effect, the Bible Code, the Quatrains of Nostradamus, Y2K and the December 21st 2012 end of the world crap. It’s all witchcraft and nothing is going to happen the next few years. We are not anywhere near the second coming so forget it. The second coming is about 225 years in the future. Satan is having a field day with us. This 4 blood moons is just more crap coming from Satan. It’s witchcraft and the bible warns us about this kind of stuff.

  47. I feel the Jewish calendar is correct and the year is 5774. 6000 – 5774 is about 225 years. The Bible saids that a day is like a year and a year is like a day with the Lord. I believe we have been 6000 years for mankind on this earth before God steps in and sets things right.

  48. James,
    Sorry James but prophecy trumps calendars.
    Jesus said that when the fig tree blossoms (Israel becomes a nation again) that generation shall not pass before he returns.
    Somehow I don’t think anyone born after 1948 will be alive 225 years from now.
    Also, God works in biblical numbers, so I would guess that Jesus will return 2 millenniums from the resurrection in 31 AD. That is also 40 jubilees (40×50 years). Somehow 2207 years from resurrection to second coming just doesn’t sound too biblical.
    Thirdly, if the Jewish calendar WAS correct, then everyone would know exactly when Jesus will return, although ironically, the Jews would not believe it. I don’t think God wants to make things that simple and besides Jesus told us to look for signs of His return, not to check the calendar, and the state of Israel was His most important sign.
    Time will tell, but if I were you I would keep an eye peeled anyway.
    Know what I mean?

    • Jim
      I agree with you. One generation is 70 years. Yisroel became a nation 14 may 1948 and 70 years later is 14 may 2018. Yehoshua must show up Before 2018. Nibiru will probably show up Before 2018 just wait and see.

      • Sorry but a generation is not 70 years. Nor is it 40 years as many claim. Nor is an average of all the periods referred to in the bible as “a generation.”
        A biblical generation is the same as it is today, and it is not an exact number.
        I’ll ask you, in today’s standards exactly how long is a generation? The average life span of a man? Or a woman? The average of the two?
        You see, the term “generation” does not refer to a number. It never has.
        In methuselah’s time it was 969 years, perhaps. Today maybe a hundred years.
        Besides, Jesus never said He would return “one generation” from the beginning of new Israel, He only said that the generation that would see it form would not be all gone when He returns.
        Otherwise, everyone would know 70 years in advance when the Second Coming will happen… slam dunk, no need to look for signs or to understand the bible.
        Ironically, it is those who do not understand the bible (at least in regards to what a generation is) who think they have it all figured out.
        So don’t count on 2018 as the date and certainly don’t count on Nibiru to ever show up. Leaving the bible and believing in pagan myths won’t bring you closer to understanding the word of God.
        (Adam?)

  49. I hope both of you, Jim and ibible, are right and that the second coming is soon. I have a problem with all of this stuff because I’ve been hearing it since 1975 when I was told that Jesus is coming SOON. Many dates have been talked about starting in 1982 and every few years since then. I don’t know if any of you have heard the story of the boy who cried wolf.? If you have then you will know where I’am at now. I would love to be wrong and end up with “egg on my face”. I love your comments because I learn a lot from them. Please keep them comming. Jim Elsea.

  50. Hi ibible. Weee-ooo what a verse. What a surprise for me it was.! But I don’t completely understand.? I was told the the church would not go thru any of the bad times that the world would go thru. I’m somewhat confused.
    Jim Elsea.

  51. Ibible,

    I look forward to these things as Peter writes in his second letter, chapter 3.

    “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

    Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?

    Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

    Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.”

    I also read Malachi chapter 4, which tells me this –

    “’For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, and all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up,’ Says the Lord of hosts, ‘That will leave them neither root nor branch.

    But to you who fear My name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings; and you shall go out and grow fat like stall-fed calves.
    You shall trample the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,’ Says the Lord of hosts.”

    Blessings
    Psalm 91

  52. Shalom!

    I Am sending this to you for your consideration. It is a bit different. But I have it
    from a reliable source, it is good.

    Psalm 119: Time Frame for the End of Days

    Michael Barnett

    Psalm 119 is more than 176 verses, every one of which mentions the Law of God, using
    many different terms. It is a revelation of the unfolding of events during what is known
    as the end of days. Indeed, it gives the time frame for these events.

    One of the greatest markers of this time frame, has been, seemingly against all odds,
    the rebirth of the State of Israel after 1878 years of dispersion. But in our time frame
    we do not begin here. Rather, we begin with the First Zionist Congress, 1897-98.

    Some years ago God gave me some verses of Scripture for my comfort and encouragement,
    Psalm 119:49-50:

    “Remember the word to Your servant, in which You have caused me to hope. This is my
    comfort in my affliction, that Your word revives me.”

    The ‘word’ spoken of here refers to something He gave me in 1988: “Search for the
    lost sheep of the house of Israel; gather the scattered seed of Jacob. And bring them
    into My House.”

    There is no need to discuss this word here, only to say it has been the source of much
    struggle in my life, so much so that often I would throw up my hands and proclaim I would
    consider it no longer. But this always made me sad. And the Lord would ‘revive’ it once
    more within me.

    Several years back, when in need, I was reading those verses when I happened to notice
    that if the first ‘1’ was dropped, it looked like a date – 1949 – my birth year. So I
    thought, if this is an actual date, then the verse before it, 1948, could refer to
    Israel. It was then the Lord began to open it up revealing the time frame contained
    within 119.

    Time and Chance

    That 119 has reference to time, other than the chronological listing of events, has to
    do with one of the objects God hung in the heavens for the marking of time, namely, the
    Moon. And our first clue has to do with the number division of 119 (which of course was
    not there in the original, but by God’s design 119 came to be). If you drop the first ‘1’
    you have ’19’. The Moon has a 19 year cycle to it. Also, if your double the 176 verses
    you get the least amount of time required for a lunar year. Further, the 8 verses of each
    section are indicative of the 8 watches of the day. Too, there are 7 days in a week. Then
    the ‘8th’ day Sunday marks the beginning of a new week.

    Structure

    119 is an acrostic psalm, based on the 22 consonants of the Hebrew Alephbet. Each
    section, say Aleph, has 8 verses, each of which begin with a word which begins with an
    Aleph. This is true through-out 119.

    First Jubilee and the Consonants

    In 1897-98 the first Zionist Congress was held in Basel, Swiss. Here I stress the word
    ‘first’, for this first refers to the first consonant of the Hebrew Alephbet, Aleph.

    Hebrew began as a phonetic language. Each consonant was based on a literal object. But
    it also had a symbolic meaning.The Aleph was literally an Ox, while its symbolic meaning
    was that of ‘first and strength.’

    This first letter then, as it applies to the first Zionist Congress, symbolically means,
    ‘the beginning of his strength.’ For it was through the ever growing strength of the
    Zionists that the Nation Israel came to be in 1948.

    Frame And Structure

    Through-out 119 the consonants guide us in journey through time. But how do we get more
    ‘time’ out of Aleph other that beginnings? As you are aware, the set of numbers 49-50
    has much symbolism in Scripture as regards time. They are used twice to mark when Israel
    was to celebrate two of the feasts, Pentecost and Jubilee.

    The first 6 letters of 119, Aleph to Vav, lead to the creation of the State of Israel in
    1948. If we reckon each section as an 8 year period, then 8 x 6 = 48. And if you begin
    with the years in 1897-98, you get 50, a Jubilee. An in 1948 Israel enjoyed it’s first
    Jubilee in perhaps 1900 years. It had returned!

    Second Jubilee

    Fine! We have our beginning, and this concludes with the creation of a Jewish State.
    Most understand this event was the most significant fulfillment of prophecy in 2000
    years. And we understand it heralds the nearness of the end of days and the return of
    Christ. But how then do we proceed from here, and what are we to look for? Again, the
    consonants guide us.

    The next consonant after Vav is Zayin, the 7th. ‘Seven’ in Scripture refers to
    perfection, or completion. And it does certainly complete the first two divisions. And it
    also leads to the third and final division; the 8th if you will. But it also is the last of the 8 year
    sections. It begins in 1999 and goes to 2007. So this gives us exactly where we are in time.
    Today we are in the 13th letter Mem, 2013.

    This 7th letter Zayin is Seven Septics, or 7×7 which equals 49. And beginning in 1949
    and going to 1999-2000 we get our second Jubilee. So the first two divisions total 100 years.
    And, as I stated, Zayin also introduces the final division, which we may call, ‘Behold He
    Cometh.’ But too, before we get to that point we must introduce another indicator of
    time. And this involves another ‘Who Cometh.’

    Who Cometh

    As an indicator of time, there is a king coming. The Prophet Isaiah tells us this, ‘As
    the days of one king, 70 years.’ But how is this ‘who’? The 70 years includes the
    approximate length of his rule. 70 is only a symbolic guide. It may actually be 69, or
    72, ect. And the 70 also includes his death.

    In 1949 a king was born in Israel. And this one will come claiming to be the restoration
    of the house of David. And the Jews will receive him because he promises to rebuild the
    Temple. During the Feast of Tabernacles, Sept. 2015, he will proclaim the laying of the
    Cornerstones on Tisha B’Av, 2016, that a day of mourning be turned to a day of rejoicing.

    There is, in the Constellation Orion, a sign of this coming one. On October 21st of each
    year the Orionid Meteor Shower occurs. These ‘falling stars’ indicate the birth of one
    born in Tel Aviv, 1949, 221st October.

    First, understand this. There is a relationship between the Temple Mt. compound and
    Orion. The angles of the 4 outer stars of Orion match the angles of the Temple Mt.
    compound. And the 3 inner stars speaks of two things: 3 temples; and 3 structures sharing
    the Temple Mt. in the end of days: Mosque, Dome, 3rd temple. God’s number is 7. There
    are 7 stars in Orion. This is a picture of the relationship between heaven and earth.

    Now, this ‘one’ will be 66 years old when he takes power, when the 70th Week begins.
    Ayin is the 16th letter. It’s number value is 70, as in 70th Week. The last 7 letters,
    Ayin to Tav, represent the years of the 70th. And if we add the 6 of the ’16’ to the age
    of the coming one, we get ‘666’. The remaining ’10’ speaks of his government.

    His rule will begin in 2016, with the letter Ayin. The literal meaning of Ayin is an
    eye. The symbolic meaning of this letter is to ‘behold.’ In Revelation chapter 6, when
    the 70th begins, the word ‘behold’, or some variation of it, occurs 6 times. The first
    ‘behold’ is the rise of the 7th king. And this is the verse just before the 70th begins,
    “My flesh trembles for fear of you, and I am afraid of your judgements.’ Then the
    ‘great and terrible day of the Lord’ begins.

    Behold He Cometh

    We now begin our conclusion with this final division of time. After the ‘completion’
    that Zayin brings, we begin a new way of counting. Heth, the 8th letter, is next. ‘6’ in
    Scripture refers to something new, a new beginning. One example makes this clear in the
    story of the 8 souls which reestablished mankind on the earth.

    So from Heth to the final letter Tav, each letter is one year. And we know this because
    the final week is a 7 year period. And as I stated, the last 7 letters represent the 7
    years of the 70th.

    Each of these letters has a literal and a symbolic meaning. After Ayin (eye – behold)
    comes Pe, which means mouth, and ‘speaks’ to the Two Witnesses. Tsadde comes next, and
    references ‘righteousness’, referring then to the 144000. Qoph, meaning ‘sun on the horizon, and divide’
    and thus referencing time, is the middle, or divider of the 70th. Then comes Rosh,
    meaning ‘head’, and speaks of the Anti-Christ. Shin follows, meaning ‘teeth’, and so to
    consume, destroy. This is the work of the 8th king, the False Prophet, which comes up
    from the earth, out of the Abyss at the 5th Trumpet. Finally comes Tav, and means ‘a
    cross, sign, covenant’, and refers to the coming of Christ.

    Now, these 7 only generally refer to time. They are more about events. The coming of
    Christ for His saints along with the resurrection, occurs at the 7th Trumpet. Four
    Scriptures confirm this. And this occurs before the true wrath of God is poured out, the
    7 Bowls. The whole of the 70th is about judgement, not wrath. God’s wrath is poured out
    upon those who worship the Beast and receive his mark. And this mark does not come until
    after the 5th Trumpet, with the rise of the 8th king. And this ‘8’ refers to a new
    beginning of the rule of the AC when he shares power with the 8th king , and 10 kings.

    So, in conclusion, I am in no way setting a day or hour for the return of Christ. But I
    am setting a ‘season.’ And He has given us signs for this season. And this season falls
    with the final letter Tav, in 2022. The time is at hand! May you take these words I have
    written to heart! May you reconsider what is important in life. If you have two coats, sell
    one and give the money to missions. Keep only what you need.

    Do you believe 119? Do you believe me? ‘Perhaps’, you may say, ‘you are wrong.’
    God has written me into His psalm. Zayin is mine! I speak His word to you. Who will
    hear!

    God Bless!

    Michael Barnett

    PS If 666 is his number, what then is his sign, or mark? ‘A Star will rise in Jacob.’ Place a 6
    in every small triangle, and in the middle hexagon created in a drawn Star of David.

    • dear michael

      you basically lost me, but I followed a little bit. your outline is very kabbalistic, and I am not used to thinking that way, with all the numbers.

      so the AC was born oct 22, 1949, and he will act in 2015 at the 5th trumpet?

      and the christ will return in 2022?

      I guess we will see, so who do you think the AC is? Bibi?

  53. Hi, No, the AC was born on 21st Oct. 1949. And no, I am not ‘kabbalistic’. God also uses numbers. And no, the one at the 5th Trumpet is the second beast, the one out of the earth, the False Prophet.

    • Michael,
      I assume you are referring to Benjamin Netanyahu as the Antichrist, but I doubt a Jew will be involved here.
      But the biggest problem I have with your theory is the heavy use of numerology including fudging like dropping out certain digits in order to make your idea work.
      There is a thing called the Word of God and doesn’t require crazy algorithms to determine what they mean. For example, all the prophecies that pointed to the life of Jesus were perfectly clear to the educated Jew and no mathematical calculations were needed for proof.
      Since the current pope will become the False Prophet, I don’t see Judaism and Catholicism getting together as a common religion.
      Perhaps you can fill us in on what you thing will happen soon.
      Do you buy into the “Left Behind” scenario – the Antichrist brokers a 7-year peace plan, takes over the world, creates a One-World religion then requires a chip in the hand to buy or sell etc?
      Or maybe something more sublime? I just don’t see how Netanyahu would be involved.
      Know what I mean?

  54. Hi, And thanks for your input. I use numbers as God uses them. You nitpick on a few things, but ignore the bulk of the evidence. But, I do not care if u believe me. I present it for your info. And so when u see a Jewish AC building the Temple, forget your pope as the FP. There is NO 7 year peace deal. The covenant, Dan9, which is broken has to do with things associated with the temple, not a peace deal. There will be NO one world government or religion. The point of 119 is to alert the people of God to begin to divest themselves of this world system, and invest heavily in the Kingdom. Let go of your ‘stuff’. The end is near!

    • I agree about no One-World religion or One-World Government, but I believe the covenant refers to the New Covenant brought by Christ and that the 70 weeks of Daniel are long since fulfilled.
      I don’t think the Jews will rebuild the temple. Jesus will do that before He takes His throne.
      As for the False Prophet, if will not be the leader of the largest (apostate) Christian church on earth, who do expect it to be? A rabbi perhaps? Anyone we might know?

  55. Hi, I hpoe u do not know him, the FP. He is the 2nd Beast, out of the earth, the one released from the Abyss at the 5th Trumpet. He is Abaddon, the destroyer Daniel speaks of in chapter 9, ‘on the wings of abomination comes one who makes desolate.’
    I, clearly, do not accept the interpretation that Jesus is hte ‘he’ who puts a stop to the sacrifices. The fervor among the Jews to rebuild the temple is Very strong. This move in the last several months by Jews to gain the right to pray on the TM is but another step toward rebuilding the temple.

  56. Actually, Jesus did put an end to the sacrifices when he died as the sacrificial Passover lamb. Its just that the Jews never recognized this. But there is no longer a need for a temple or sacrifices. In fact in God’s eyes, sacrificing a lamb is an affront to the sacrifice of His son, so ending such a sacrifice would be a good thing at this point.
    As Jesus said about the temple, he will rebuild it in three days, referring to hid time in the tomb and the fact that the temple is now the church, at least until He returns to rebuild the real one to reign from.
    And I seriously doubt if the Jews will rebuild the temple, certainly not on the temple mount right next to the mosques, and they certainly won’t be tearing them down to do it.
    Even so it is higly unlikely that the Jews will restart animal sacrifices. They discontinued that a long time ago and in today’s politically correct world killing innocent animals every day for your God would not go over well in the court of world opinion.
    Sorry but logic and common sense don’t seem to indicate that your interpretation is about to come true.
    But that never stops anyone from having their opinions, so have at it.

  57. Hi, I have not said the Jews or anyone needs a temple or animal sacrifice. Bu this temple is a part of prophecy of the end of days. Jesus said the AOD would occur in a temple, as did Paul. John, long after the 2nd temple was destroyed, was told to measure a temple in an area shared by gentiles. Israel will share the TM with the Muslims as part of a peace agreement. But no, I do not think the blood offerings will rise to OT levels. But they must resume, as the Jews see it, as part of Israel’s ‘restoration.’ And too, in this ‘restoration’ comes the AC claiming to be the restoration of the house of David. And so he rebuilds the temple – and this act is the act of the Jewish messiah – as they see it.

  58. Michael,
    I re-read some of your original hypothesis and I have some further comments.
    I think it is a leap to look at Psalm 119, then remove a “1” and see 19 and assume it means 1949?
    As an astronomer for 60 years I know Orion, and while there are over 80 visible stars in it, there are eight which make up the main body including the head but minus the sword, all brighter than magnitude 3.
    Also, the four corner stars don’t match the size and shape of the temple mount, they are both simply trapezoids.
    Now this is a bit vague:
    Ayin to Tav, represent the years of the 70th. And if we add the 6 of the ’16′ to the age
of the coming one, we get ’666′. The remaining ’10′ speaks of his government.
    Where in scripture does it say we add 6 to the “16 of the age”?
    And how do you get 666 by counting the number of a man?You are arriving at the number in a very roundabout way, and what’s the deal with the extra 10 meaning his government? Sounds like more fudging.
    Also sounds like you are assuming the 70th week of Daniel was never fulfilled if that is the 70th you keep referring to. But you said there is no 7 year peace plan or tribulation, so I’m a little confused.
    Now, you talk about the 8 king(doms) mentioned in revelation.
    If Netanyahu is the 7th, who came before him and who will follow him?
    And what will the mark be?
    And since Netanyahu is already in power in Israel, what will change in 2016? How will he enforce the mark of the beast in such a small country? Will anyone even notice what he’s doing? Does the Book of Revelation have anything to do with Christianity or is it all about Israel?
    Convince me…
    And as for Netanyahu becoming a false jewish messiah, that won’t ever happens. Remember there are still Old Testament prophecies in place that show he must be born in Bethlehem of a virgin under King Herod and will betryed for 30 pieces of silver etc, etc, etc. So the Jews and the rest of the world will never be fooled and as we know, “the whole world will follow the beast” so the scenario holds no water.
    Again, logic and common sense have foiled your theory.
    And no amount of mathematical calculations can make the idea make actual sense. (To me).
    But keep trying, please.

  59. Hi, Thanks for your comments. First, if you assume Jesus fulfilled Dan. 9:27 refers to the past, and to Jesus, we can’t get very far. Since when did Jesus ‘make a firm covenant’? And what was this covenant? Was this supposed covenant for 7 years? If so, when did He make it, at the beginning of His ministry? Where in Scripture, in the Gospels, does this covenant appear? Second, why does he break this covenant? It is clear this covenant has nothing to do with any ‘peace agreement’. But if so, then reveal your source for this. What is clear is that the covenant had to do with the Temple – knowing that sacrifices are associated with it. And, though perhaps in God’s eyes the sacrifices ceased, the Jews continued in them until 70AD. And, by the way, where did I say ‘there is no tribulation’? The 70th Week IS the trib, the great trib Jesus spoke of. ???
    What is clearly and easily seen of the stars in Orion, are 7 stars. And the 7, God’s number, and the angles of the stars and the TM compound, show a relationship between Orion and the TM – not to mention the sign of the AC, 21st. Oct. 1949, along with his desire to rebuild the Temple in order to deceive the Jews.
    Listen, I lived in Israel from 2007 to 2012. I attended the Shabbat meal of one Rabbi Mordechai Maklis (he is on Youtube). He allowed (some 100 people attended) people to speak as long as no politic and nothing against Judaism. I spoke often, but in veiled terms – though they knew where I was coming from. God had shown me my ministry there was related to the TM. I warned these not to covenant with one coming in 2015 claiming to be the seed of David, and his desire to build the Temple. I told them this would be for a dividing line in Israel, for life and for death.
    As far as prophecies concerning the Messiah, Jewish ‘opinion’ varies – two Jews, 3 opinions. The Jews will be deceived by the AC because they want a temple so badly.
    This AC comes as a prince on a white steed. But after Satan, in fulfillment of Isa.14, tries to ascend to the throne of God and is thrown down to earth at the 6th Seal (this is why the disturbances in heaven – there are more times in Scripture the Moon turns red. It is then the AC is revealed for who he is. Some Jews will realize they ‘made a covenant with death’ Isa28, and will flee. But some remain and take his mark – a mark by the way which reveals the occult origins of the Star of David. But the AC utterly corrupts it.
    The kingdom before the 7th. was the 6th, of course, the one John spoke of, ‘five have fallen, and one is…’Rev17. Israel, received a ‘deadly wound’ Rev13, in 70AD. But in 1948 Israel rose from the sea of the nations, and the UN superficially healed the wound.
    God uses math! And He opened up the revelation of 119 by leading me to ‘subtract’ a 1 from 119:49. It was not chance God gave me 119:49-50 as verses of encouragement. And it was not chance I was born in 1949, under the blood red moons and solar ecilpses of 40-50.

  60. Jesus confirmed the “New Covenant” replacing the Old Testament covenant of Abraham. It was to be a covenant with many forever, not 7 years. People assume it was to last only 7 years because it started on the last week of Daniel’s prophecy. Jesus was to teach for the last 7 years but his ministry was “cut off” after 3-½ years when He was crucified.
    As for Israel being the “one that is” when John wrote the Book of Revelation Israel was gone.
    Plus, the deadly wound was given to one of the ten heads of the first beast of revelation. So if Israel was one of ten, who was the beast and who were the other nine heads?
    No matter how well the math seems to fit, the verses won’t match. There are thousands of verses in the Book of Revelation and I doubt that more than a dozen really fit with your concept.
    But the thing that makes you certain makes me skeptical – you believe God Himself imparted this information to you and you alone, above everyone else on earth. You are his “chosen one” picked to reveal His long hidden prophetic truths. I have been arguing with many people who have been similarly “blessed“over the years and so far not one have been proven right. But it’s impossible to dissuade these people and I respect their opinions and always keep them in mind in case the time ever comes and proves them right.
    That’s why I ask so many questions. If you’re right, then knowing only a small portion won’t be of much use.

  61. Hi, Do not concern your self with the10 heads. The 7 headed is the important one. And do not concern yourself. I do not see myself as the ‘only one’. Since I have been sending 119 out, I have communicated with many who have arrived at simular conclusions – only mind is the most definitive and complete – that I know of so far. God bless you in your studies.

    • I guess we have different approaches when it comes to prophecy. I take the written word seriously rather than waiting for God to give me a revelation. It always bugs me when I read a theory when the author picks and chooses verses and ignores everything they can’t explain.
      I believe that every verse has a meaning and is part of the fulfillment, just as you believe every word/syllable of two bible verses can be dissected mathematically to explain end-time prophecy.
      Otherwise why did God waste His breath and time giving revelation to John among others? You need to take the same time you spent on Psalms 119 on the Book of Revelation in order to confirm what you think God told you. If they don’t match then you might want to reconsider who was whispering in you ears way back when.
      Just sayin’

  62. Hi Jim, So I guess u understand all mysteries??? I guess Revelation is an open book to u? I guess u know all that has been sealed in Daniel? The world and heaven has been waiting for u!

    • While I don’t understand ALL mysteries, I DO understand Daniel and Revelation. The both tell the same continuing story – the history of God’s people from the time of the Babylon captivity until the return of Christ. 99.9% of the time line has been fulfilled so there isn’t much mystery left.
      The story line is fairly simple, once you understand it – just as before the Babylonian captivity, God is displeased with His people as they have been seriously backsliding and ignoring His commandments and there will be hell to pay in the coming days.
      Once you understand the theme, it is fairly simple to interpret the verses or to match them with history. Of course it took me many years to realize all this and I had to research thousands of theories on the subject to sort the trash from the kernels of truth, but eventually I was able to put it all together satisfactorily.
      But I always like to listen to new ideas, just in case there is a morsel of truth in it so I thank you for your input.
      But I’m just not seeing any.

  63. People still have not learned from the crap we all heard before. The Jupiter Effect, the Bible Code, the Quatrains of Nostradamus, Y2K and the December 21st 2012 end of the world crap. It’s all witchcraft and nothing is going to happen the next few years. We are not anywhere near the second coming so forget it. Satan is having a field day with us. The 4 blood moons is about as supernatural as a fortune cookie. Using the sun, moon, or stars as portents of future events is not astronomy or prophecy, IT IS ASTROLOGY. It’s witchcraft and the bible warns us about this kind of stuff. Such superstitious and practices are forbidden in the Bible [Deut 18: 9-14]. I fully expect the church to be into tea leaves, crystal balls and we-gee boards very soon. This 4 blood moons is just more crap coming from Satan. We subject ourselves to ridicule every time there is an asteroid or a planetary alignment or an eclipse, and we run around crying that the sky is falling.!!

    • James,
      Nice to see there is another skeptic around here. Many people on this site are easily fooled into believing all sorts of false prophecies. Plus a lot of numerology as well.
      Well, the first eclipse happens in two weeks so lets wait and see what happens on that day. Maybe we will be surprised.
      Or maybe not…

  64. Four BLOOD MOON’S ARE ABOUT TO BEGIN!!

    • @Jimmy

      Yes!

      And the U.S. supposedly runs out of money 4/11(tomorrow), because that’s supposedly when the Federal Reserve stops loaning the U.S. money.
      .
      .
      The Vatican is supposed to sign a treaty with Israel this month that will give the Vatican control of all Holy Sites in the land. This will have the blessing of the U.N. April 13 is when that signing is supposed to happen.
      .
      .
      I believe that Passover starts 4/14 – Monday
      .
      .
      Again:
      — 4/11 The money stops
      — 4/12 Shabot
      — 4/13 Israel cedes control to the Vatican with the U.N. blessing
      — 4/14 Passover starts

      I’m just reporting this. Some or all of it might be wrong

      Dan

    • first moon is at 3 am eastern daylight time, april 15…..it will last 78 min

  65. And how or what does Mars play into anything? Apparently it is bigger and brighter and closer than usually. Happened two years ago and about every two year period. But is it just another sign in the heavens?

  66. Shalom! Rev6 is not the fulfillment of joel. Joel will be fulfilled on Sukkot 2015. In that September the Sun will be darkened and then a blood moon. This announces the beginning of the ‘great and terrible day of the Lord’ – Daniel’s 70th Week.

  67. To All,

    The links below all deal with the season we are currently in. The bottom two links can be accessed through the first main link. I split them up just for ease of access. I think you “might” find it quite interesting, but then maybe not. We all tend to have some kind of theory regarding all of this and have seemingly good reasons for it. We will just have to wait and see what transpires as we enter into the season of the Blood Moons. Of what I have learned and come to understand, I “tend” to believe this is the most likely outcome. Whether that is the case or not, we will just have to wait and see. My advice is to stay alert and resist the urge to hit the snooze button!

    http://focusontheprophecies.org/jubilee_2017.htm

    http://2010rapture.org/8jubilees.html

    http://www.pray4zion.org/TheComingBloodMoons.html

    Shalom

  68. Shalom – The Lord gave me this before I knew of the tetrads – but they serve to confirm me:
    Shalom!

    I Am sending this to you for your consideration. It is a bit different. But I have it
    from a reliable source, it is good.

    Psalm 119: Time Frame for the End of Days

    Michael Barnett

    Psalm 119 is more than 176 verses, every one of which mentions the Law of God, using
    many different terms. It is a revelation of the unfolding of events during what is known
    as the end of days. Indeed, it gives the time frame for these events.

    One of the greatest markers of this time frame, has been, seemingly against all odds,
    the rebirth of the State of Israel after 1878 years of dispersion. But in our time frame
    we do not begin here. Rather, we begin with the First Zionist Congress, 1897-98.

    Some years ago God gave me some verses of Scripture for my comfort and encouragement,
    Psalm 119:49-50:

    “Remember the word to Your servant, in which You have caused me to hope. This is my
    comfort in my affliction, that Your word revives me.”

    The ‘word’ spoken of here refers to something He gave me in 1988: “Search for the
    lost sheep of the house of Israel; gather the scattered seed of Jacob. And bring them
    into My House.”

    There is no need to discuss this word here, only to say it has been the source of much
    struggle in my life, so much so that often I would throw up my hands and proclaim I would
    consider it no longer. But this always made me sad. And the Lord would ‘revive’ it once
    more within me.

    Several years back, when in need, I was reading those verses when I happened to notice
    that if the first ‘1’ was dropped, it looked like a date – 1949 – my birth year. So I
    thought, if this is an actual date, then the verse before it, 1948, could refer to
    Israel. It was then the Lord began to open it up revealing the time frame contained
    within 119.

    Time and Chance

    That 119 has reference to time, other than the chronological listing of events, has to
    do with one of the objects God hung in the heavens for the marking of time, namely, the
    Moon. And our first clue has to do with the number division of 119 (which of course was
    not there in the original, but by God’s design 119 came to be). If you drop the first ‘1’
    you have ’19’. The Moon has a 19 year cycle to it. Also, if your double the 176 verses
    you get the least amount of time required for a lunar year. Further, the 8 verses of each
    section are indicative of the 8 watches of the day. Too, there are 7 days in a week. Then
    the ‘8th’ day Sunday marks the beginning of a new week.

    Structure

    119 is an acrostic psalm, based on the 22 consonants of the Hebrew Alephbet. Each
    section, say Aleph, has 8 verses, each of which begin with a word which begins with an
    Aleph. This is true through-out 119.

    First Jubilee and the Consonants

    In 1897-98 the first Zionist Congress was held in Basel, Swiss. Here I stress the word
    ‘first’, for this first refers to the first consonant of the Hebrew Alephbet, Aleph.

    Hebrew began as a phonetic language. Each consonant was based on a literal object. But
    it also had a symbolic meaning.The Aleph was literally an Ox, while its symbolic meaning
    was that of ‘first and strength.’

    This first letter then, as it applies to the first Zionist Congress, symbolically means,
    ‘the beginning of his strength.’ For it was through the ever growing strength of the
    Zionists that the Nation Israel came to be in 1948.

    Frame And Structure

    Through-out 119 the consonants guide us in our journey through time. But how do we get more
    ‘time’ out of Aleph other that beginnings? As you are aware, the set of numbers 49-50
    has much symbolism in Scripture as regards time. They are used twice to mark when Israel
    was to celebrate two of the feasts, Pentecost and Jubilee.

    The first 6 letters of 119, Aleph to Vav, lead to the creation of the State of Israel in
    1948. If we reckon each section as an 8 year period, then 8 x 6 = 48. And if you begin
    with the years in 1897-98, you get 50, a Jubilee. An in 1948 Israel enjoyed it’s first
    Jubilee in perhaps 1900 years. It had returned!

    Second Jubilee

    Fine! We have our beginning, and this concludes with the creation of a Jewish State.
    Most understand this event was the most significant fulfillment of prophecy in 2000
    years. And we understand it heralds the nearness of the end of days and the return of
    Christ. But how then do we proceed from here, and what are we to look for? Again, the
    consonants guide us.

    The next consonant after Vav is Zayin, the 7th. ‘Seven’ in Scripture refers to
    perfection, or completion. And it does certainly complete the first two divisions. And it
    also leads to the third and final division; the 8th if you will. But it also is the last of the 8 year
    sections. It begins in 1949 and goes to 2007. So this gives us exactly where we are in time.
    Today we are in the 13th letter Mem, 2013.

    This 7th letter Zayin is Seven Septics, or 7×7 which equals 49. And beginning in 1949
    and going to 1999-2000 we get our second Jubilee. So the first two divisions total 100 years.
    And, as I stated, Zayin also introduces the final division, which we may call, ‘Behold He
    Cometh.’ But too, before we get to that point we must introduce another indicator of
    time. And this involves another ‘Who Cometh.’

    Who Cometh

    As an indicator of time, there is a king coming. The Prophet Isaiah tells us this, ‘As
    the days of one king, 70 years.’ But how is this ‘who’? The 70 years includes the
    approximate length of his rule. 70 is only a symbolic guide. It may actually be 69, or
    72, ect. And the 70 also includes his death.

    In 1949 a king was born in Israel. And this one will come claiming to be the restoration
    of the house of David. And the Jews will receive him because he promises to rebuild the
    Temple. During the Feast of Tabernacles, Sept. 2015, he will proclaim the laying of the
    Cornerstones on Tisha B’Av, 2016, that a day of mourning be turned to a day of rejoicing.

    There is, in the Constellation Orion, a sign of this coming one. On October 21st of each
    year the Orionid Meteor Shower occurs. These ‘falling stars’ indicate the birth of one
    born in Tel Aviv, 1949, 221st October.

    First, understand this. There is a relationship between the Temple Mt. compound and
    Orion. The angles of the 4 outer stars of Orion match the angles of the Temple Mt.
    compound. And the 3 inner stars speaks of two things: 3 temples; and 3 structures sharing
    the Temple Mt. in the end of days: Mosque, Dome, 3rd temple. God’s number is 7. There
    are 7 stars in Orion. This is a picture of the relationship between heaven and earth.

    Now, this ‘one’ will be 66 years old when he takes power, when the 70th Week begins.
    Ayin is the 16th letter. It’s number value is 70, as in 70th Week. The last 7 letters,
    Ayin to Tav, represent the years of the 70th. And if we add the 6 of the ’16’ to the age
    of the coming one, we get ‘666’. The remaining ’10’ speaks of his government.

    His rule will begin in 2016, with the letter Ayin. The literal meaning of Ayin is an
    eye. The symbolic meaning of this letter is to ‘behold.’ In Revelation chapter 6, when
    the 70th begins, the word ‘behold’, or some variation of it, occurs 6 times. The first
    ‘behold’ is the rise of the 7th king. And this is the verse just before the 70th begins,
    “My flesh trembles for fear of you, and I am afraid of your judgements.’ Then the
    ‘great and terrible day of the Lord’ begins.

    Behold He Cometh

    We now begin our conclusion with this final division of time. After the ‘completion’
    that Zayin brings, we begin a new way of counting. Heth, the 8th letter, is next. ‘6’ in
    Scripture refers to something new, a new beginning. One example makes this clear in the
    story of the 8 souls which reestablished mankind on the earth.

    So from Heth to the final letter Tav, each letter is one year. And we know this because
    the final week is a 7 year period. And as I stated, the last 7 letters represent the 7
    years of the 70th.

    Each of these letters has a literal and a symbolic meaning. After Ayin (eye – behold)
    comes Pe, which means mouth, and ‘speaks’ to the Two Witnesses. Tsadde comes next, and
    references ‘righteousness’, referring then to the 144000. Qoph, meaning ‘sun on the horizon, and divide’
    and thus referencing time, is the middle, or divider of the 70th. Then comes Rosh,
    meaning ‘head’, and speaks of the Anti-Christ. Shin follows, meaning ‘teeth’, and so to
    consume, destroy. This is the work of the 8th king, the False Prophet, which comes up
    from the earth, out of the Abyss at the 5th Trumpet. Finally comes Tav, and means ‘a
    cross, sign, covenant’, and refers to the coming of Christ.

    Now, these 7 only generally refer to time. They are more about events. The coming of
    Christ for His saints along with the resurrection, occurs at the 7th Trumpet. Four
    Scriptures confirm this. And this occurs before the true wrath of God is poured out, the
    7 Bowls. The whole of the 70th is about judgement, not wrath. God’s wrath is poured out
    upon those who worship the Beast and receive his mark. And this mark does not come until
    after the 5th Trumpet, with the rise of the 8th king. And this ‘8’ refers to a new
    beginning of the rule of the AC when he shares power with the 8th king , and 10 kings.

    So, in conclusion, I am in no way setting a day or hour for the return of Christ. But I
    am setting a ‘season.’ And He has given us signs for this season. And this season falls
    with the final letter Tav, in 2022. The time is at hand! May you take these words I have
    written to heart! May you reconsider what is important in life. If you have two coats, sell
    one and give the money to missions. Keep only what you need.

    Do you believe 119? Do you believe me? ‘Perhaps’, you may say, ‘you are wrong.’
    God has written me into His psalm. Zayin is mine! I speak His word to you. Who will
    hear!

    God Bless!

    Michael Barnett

    PS If 666 is his number, what then is his sign, or mark? ‘A Star will rise in Jacob.’ Place a 6
    in every small triangle, and in the middle hexagon created in a drawn Star of David.

    • michael

      very elaborate explanation….may be quite true….we will see soon!

    • Okay MB,

      I’ll take the bait. With all due respect, who are you claiming to be??? It’s kind of difficult to have a rational conversation with someone who claims that, and I quote, “God has written me into His Psalm” or to say”The Lord gave me this before I knew of the tetrads – but they serve to confirm me:”

      All of those I’s and ME’s are a bit much, unless you really are someone special. So who are you in one or two words? For all of us, please be specific and to the point.

    • 666 is who’s number?

      • He thinks Benjamin Netanyahu will be the antichrist. He will be the dictator that rules the entire earth! And all the world will love I’m and let him rule over them for 3-½ years – even al Qaeda.
        Figure those odds!

    • Benjamin Netanyahu is NOT the antichrist.

      Satan is “the” antichrist. There are many that are antichrist, there is only one antichrist.

  69. Shalom,

    I am a watchman for the Lord. I lived in Israel 2007 to 2012. And the Lord has opened the door for me to return this year. My ministry has to do with the Remnant of Israel.

    • So are you the end-time Elijah spoken of by Jesus?

    • MB,

      You seem to have every ones attention for a time. If I might ask you a question. You said that your ministry has to do with the Remnant of Israel. Since that is your focus, who is Israel and what is your mission to them?

  70. You can’t figure it out? Born in Tel Aviv 21st Oct. 1949. Is in Israeli politics today.

  71. If you read 119 carefully you would know. But his sign is in Orion. Every 21 Oct. is the Orinid Meteor Shower. Orion is connected to the Temple Mt. The AC deceived the Jews by building the Temple.

    • james is the website cynic. he believes nothing…

      • Not quite true.
        I believe nothing is true about the “Left Behind” scenario which is currently very popular:
        No 70th week of Daniel.
        No peace treaty for 7 years.
        No New World Order.
        No One-World Government.
        No One-World religion.
        No worldwide antichrist dictator.
        No rapture.
        Other than that I believe in all sorts of things.

        • I just can’t follow you on all you posts. What is the last kingdom of ten toes of clay mixed with iron that is destroyed by the mill stone? Who/what makes all to worship the beast or get murdered? The ten kings that give up their power for one hour to the beast is what?

          There should be a great lie that misleads the elect, and Christ stated his return will be as it was during the time of Noah. Genesis chapter 6, and Numbers chapter 13 deal with corrupt human DNA called the Nephilim, which was the main reason for the flood. According to ancient Jewish writing all who believed in what Noah preached were made to go to sleep, and not suffer G-d’s wrath.

          Why does the Bible read we are not/will not suffer G-d’s wrath? Do you believe James we will suffer G-d’s wrath?

          • The ten toes of Daniel’s statue represent the ten countries (horns) that were left when the legs (Roman empire) disintegrated. They were joined by a little horn (Vatican) which destroyed three of them between 538 and 558 AD. leaving only 7 crowns.
            These nations also represent the revived Roman empire (European Union) and the restored Holy Roman Empire soon to form.
            Ten of the current 27 members will give their support to the Vatican beast during the tribulation, but eventually they will figure out they are on the wrong side of scripture and they will turn on the Roman Catholic Church and burn the Vatican down before Christ returns.

            As for the faithful remnant of the true church, they will be taken to a place of safety during the tribulation. It won’t be a rapture to heaven but an earthly sanctuary chosen by and protected by God. Since most of the Christian world will follow the Vatican beast, the number of true believers will be rather small and easy to hide. They will be just those churches who follow the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. That leaves out every church that worships on Sunday and celebrates any pagan holidays (Christmas & easter) or believes in pagan concepts such as an immortal soul, going to heaven as soon as you die or in the idea of hell. Not to mention the use of graven images and statues and a few dozen other things.
            The Book of Revelation is all about cleaning house before the wedding of Jesus and his church.

            • so the books of daniel and revelation are about 2 different events?

              and you believe that only those that are justified by the 3rd commandment go to heaven?

              since jesus talked about eternal life , why do you think having an immortal soul is pagan?

              • Revelation is a continuation of Daniel. Daniel goes from Rome to the return of Christ but leaves out the details that Revelation reveals.
                Nobody goes to heaven, ever. Jesus stated this very clearly.
                He taught that the dead sleep and knoweth nothing until He returns and resurrects them.
                The righteous are rewarded with eternal life but the wicked are destroyed in the Lake of Fire. They do not live forever burning in hell. God is just not that cruel.
                In the bible the soul refers to the body, not the spirit.
                The idea of an immortal soul was put forth by the Greeks such as Plato. The Catholic church adopted the idea as well as hell in order to scare their followers into coming to church every Sunday (pagan) and to pay indulgences in order to fund the great cathedrals across Europe. (also pagan).

                • we are three fold: body mind (soul) spirit

                  the body and soul are different

                  body is physical

                  soul is the thoughts and personality

                  • Proximity/Franklin U.S. English Thesaurus

                    4 meaning(s) for “soul”

                    1. (noun) the spiritual part of a person
                    • (synonym) spirit, psyche, anima

                    2. (noun) the perfect embodiment of something
                    • (synonym) archetype, apotheosis, epitome, ideal, model, normal form, paradigm, prototype, standard, touchstone, type specimen, quintessence, exemplar
                    • (related) embodiment

                    3. (noun) a member of the human race
                    • (synonym) human being, person, individual, personage, man
                    • (related) human

                    4. (noun) feelings or ideas seemingly instilled from a suprahuman source
                    • (synonym) inspiration, afflatus, enthusiasm

                    As you can see, “soul” can mean a lot of things. But in the bible it means #3 – a person.
                    Gen 2:7
                    And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
                    This is the first use of the word soul in the bible. It is the creation of a man from the dust of the earth. Here soul refers to the man – the body, nothing spiritual is implied.
                    Gen 17:14
                    And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
                    Gen 19:20
                    Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.
                    If the soul is immortal, why would Abraham worry that his soul might die? And the verses are referring to real human events, not spiritual ones.
                    There are many more examples like these throughout the bible.
                    The same can be said for the word “hell” which was used to replace the word “grave” 33 times after the concept of hell was added to church theology.
                    It is amazing how many things I learned growing up catholic that turned out to be old pagan ideas that infiltrated the church under Constantine. These ideas have been around for so long that almost all Christians who grew up learning them just can not get rid of them no matter how hard they try.
                    This is why the world (Christians) will follow the (Vatican) beast and why God will be so angered before He returns.

                    • so you agree with me about what a soul is….

                    • Nope.
                      The soul is the physical body (definition 3) – a member of the human race.
                      In the bible the context is always the physical body, not the spirit.
                      Read my examples again. There are dozens of others throughout the bible.
                      But semantics aside, even the human spirit is not eternal. At the Great White Throne Judgement the wicked are destroyed in the lake of fire. They are not imprisoned forever in the bowels of the earth with Satan poking them with a pitchfork. Hell, even Satan – a spirit being – and his fellow demons are destroyed in the end.
                      Check it out.

  72. I never said he would rule the world. His is a regional power, with worldwide influence.

    • So he isn’t the antichrist? Is he the False Prophet?
      Who are the beasts and the two women of Revelation?
      It seems maybe you have a different take on the Book of Revelation than most others. (I do as well).
      Fill us in a little so we all know what to look for. After all, if you are a watchman it is your duty to warn all of us of what is about to come. You can’t throw out a few numbers and tell us to figure out the rest on our own.
      So come on, spill the beans.

  73. I make no such claim.

  74. I spilled the beans – I gave u what the Lord gave me – 119. The one coming in Sept. 2015 is the head of the 7th head – which is Israel. Every country has an international product code – the first #, just outside the bar code. Israel’s # – is 7. Benjamin N. is the 7th Head – the AC.
    The False Prophet is the 2nd Beast – the one ‘out of the earth – the one released from the pit at the 5th Trumpet – the 8th Head.
    1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. Ez.23. The Woman on the Beast is the Mother of Harlots – Tel Aviv in the North – Jerusalem in the South.
    As A Watchman, I have blown the Shofar – I have given you 119. Take the admonition at the end and begin to divest yourselves of this world system – and invest in the Kingdom.

    • So, by next September, if Netanyahu has not ascended to president of Israel, then your theory falls apart, right?
      Is that the main sign that you are expecting that we should all watch for?

    • there have been 12 prime ministers of Israel, in 18 time frames, and BN is current, he is number 9, repeating a position.

      how do you get he is number 7?

  75. Most of this I agree with. But there is a 70th Week – its called the end of days which concludes this present age. The ‘covenant’ made with the Jews has to do with the Temple. After this covenant is broken, the Destroyer comes ‘on wings of abomination’ – the 8th Head – the FP. He sets up the AOD – and gives the mark. Those who believe Dan 9:25 refers to Jesus cannot properly explain the AOD and the mark.

  76. See this link to fill in the blanks.

    http://focusontheprophecies.org/jubilee_2017.htm

  77. Watch! And know the time IS at hand! He wiil not be president – rather seen as the restoration of the house of Israel.

  78. I stated this in 119 (u did read it?) – the last manifestation of powers is when the 10 kings (toes) are given power with the AC for one hour.
    The ‘lie’ is that told by the FP – that the AC is god. GOD sends this delusion – remember?

  79. The Church is caught up/ resurrection occurs at the 7th Trumpet, just before the true wrath of God is poured out upon those who worship the AC – namely the 7 Bowls. The whole of the 70th is about judgement – not wrath.

  80. Sorry, your question does not make sense. The 10 are other nations.

  81. It has nothing to do with previous pms.

  82. The mystery of Israel’s redemption is that ‘only the remnant will be saved.’ And this salvation occurs in two stages separated by 100’s of years. The two house of Jacob – Judah and Israel – are prophetic of this redemption. The elect in Judah were saved first – Jesus ‘called-out’ His chosen as the foudation of the Church – and Judah built it up till the Gentiles came in – then Judah faded from the Church, and all the curses of Deut.32 came upon those who had rejected Jesus. But now, in these end of days, God is again showing mercy to Jacob. He, through the Church, is ‘calling-out’ the remnant in Israel. And as I sated in 119 God gave me this word in 1988 – “Search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel; gather the scattered seed of Jacob. And bring them into my house.” And it is for this calling I will return to Jerusalem.

  83. I agree with your last statement above. Messiah has others who are also doing the same work. What I am saying is that, this is not just about “a” Watchman (singular), but rather “the” Watchmen (plural). What a watchman does has nothing to do with him as a person. It is only about Messiah and His message of restoration to “all” of His people Yisrael!

    If you are to be successful in your mission, get your eyes off yourself and get them on Messiah and the people He has sent you to! You are poisoning the well before any one can drink from it.

    Shalom

  84. You are judging me wrongly. I was asked who I am and what I see my calling as. But if by ‘all the people of Yisroel’ u mean ‘ALL’, u are wrong. Paul does say in Rom11 ‘all Israel will be saved’ – Scripture must interpret Scripture. In Rom9 he defines who Israel is.

    • I have no problems with and actually enjoy reading the material you are giving. The first thing I had really read of yours was your post on April 10 at 8:00 PM.

      These were your comments:

      “Shalom – The Lord gave me this before I knew of the tetrads – but they serve to confirm me:”

      “Do you believe 119? Do you believe me? ‘Perhaps’, you may say, ‘you are wrong.’
      God has written me into His psalm. Zayin is mine! I speak His word to you. Who will hear!”

      You wrote all of this before I ever asked who you were. I was not judging you, just stating a fact. I have seen this type of I – Me stuff before and it never ends well. All of your references never went to believing what Yah had said, but rather what you had said. The crazy thing is I agree with your view of who Israel is, 100%. You just need to approach it with more humility and keep yourself in the background. Maybe you can’t see it, but you made the whole post about yourself which took the life out of it.

      A person’s success in ministry is not about their ability, but Ruach HaKodesh within them. Please believe me, I am not against you. I know what your are doing and saying. All that I am saying is to consider the attitude that you approach all of this with. It is not about being weak and beggarly, but rather being confident and bold, while being personally unassuming, for none of this is about what “we” say, but rather what “He” says. Being “His” mouthpiece does not put anyone on a pedestal.

      As far as who is Israel – being an ethnic Jew has nothing to do with this and neither does calling oneself a Christian. I believe those who are true Israel are defined as:

      Aramaic Bible in Plain English

      And the Dragon raged against the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her Seed, these who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Yeshua.

      Shalom my brother

  85. Shalom – and thank you for your comments!

    • Michael,

      One last thing. I don’t talk too much about personal things, but we do have something in common, beside the fact of who we see as the remnant of Israel: I also was born in 1949. Coincidence? Not a kosher word. I hope you stay around and interact. You have much to give.

      Shalom

  86. Shalom Al, And again thank you for your insights. I was born December 1949, so I almost claim 1950 as well. This is, in part why I say the Lord has written ‘me’ (little m) into His Psalm – the 49-50 are important numbers. I do get a little full of myself at times – so its good to get set aright!

  87. Michael,

    Thank you for your forgiving Spirit. I look forward to future talks with you. I was born May 1949.

    May 1949 – Israel joins the United Nations

    Dec 1949 – The Knesset votes to move the capital of Israel to Jerusalem

    Our b-day’s seem to be in good company

    • i was born on a day that was not special to anyone :)

      • Hey Marianne,

        Truth be known, you are special to most all the people who have made 7,258,287 posts on this blog. Quite an achievement for someone just trying to help others and being a friend to those who are friendless. Being on here feels like being home. Thank you!

        • oh thank you…that is real sweet of you.

          I learned long ago that what people want most, or almost most, is to be able to express themselves, and to have themselves heard….

          so this is one place they can do that. :)

  88. Marianne ! I am sure you are wrong!

  89. Benjamin Netanyahu is NOT the antichrist

    Dan

  90. Dan, thanks for your OP. U speak not as the scribes, but one with authority!

  91. And I have come to the right place to express it. Yes? And while I am at it…I know u have spoken much on the 144000 – but I did not follow all of it. And I may have stated this already – but I think it clear the 144000 are the Bride of Christ – that all the Church of all the years are invited guests to the Marriage Supper – friends of the Bridegroom – otherwise why the place of honor with the Lamb on Mt. Zion?

  92. Shalom, I agree with much of what u said, esp. about the CC. And man was first created a ‘soulist’ being. But in the breathing in of the Ruach of God, a connection was made between heaven and earth – the physical and the spiritual. But when man sinned, the connection was interupted, and man became ruled by the physical. ‘Religion’ is man’s attempt to restore the connection.

    • Michael,

      I give this only as an addition to your reference to “the breathing in of the Ruach of God”.

      John 6:63 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

      63 It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh is no help. The words I have spoken to you are Spirit and life….

      When Messiah speaks He exhales words (His spoken-written words) that are received by man on either a natural level, that are understood according to our worldly carnal thinking, or they are received (inhaled) as intended, through and by the Spirit. Most of Ephraim (the Christian Church) and Judah (The Jews) do not understand this and make their “religious” decisions based on a lack of understanding, and find themselves, in their zeal for Yah, to be working against Messiah-Ruach HaKodesh, all the while thinking they are serving and pleasing Him.

      Ephraim having received the atoning blood of Messiah for salvation through the Spirit of the Word, but rejecting the Torah based on their natural, carnal worldly understanding of laws written on stone; that which was old replaced by the new, causing the Christian Church to be blinded to Messiah Yahshua, the Torah as something transitory.

      On the other hand, Judah reacting the exact opposite of Ephraim, receiving the Spirit of the Word regarding Messiah, the Torah of Yah, while rejecting Messiah the Lamb of Yah, according to their natural, carnal worldly understanding of the Word. The Jews thus being blinded to the fact of Messiah Yahshua, their sin sacrifice.

      We know that Ruach HaKodesh was given, in His power, on Shavuot (Pentecost) to those of Israel assembled in the upper room 50 days after Passover (Messiah our salvation). It is also believed that on Shavuot, the Torah (Messiah the Word-Torah) was given in His power at Sinai by Messiah Yahshua the Lawgiver, 50 days after the first Passover, to all Israel.

      I believe that in the Greater Exodus that Yah will heal His people and bring us to a place of wholeness, restoration, and unity; that in the wilderness, on some Shavuot, Judah and Ephraim who are blind to Messiah the Lamb or Messiah the Word-Torah respectively, will see and receive the fullness of the Spirit of that which they are lacking.

      Those who rebel in the wilderness, be they of Judah or Ephraim, WILL NOT enter the Kingdom:

      Ezekiel 20:34-38
      34 I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered—with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath. 35 I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you. 36 As I judged your ancestors in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will judge you, declares the Sovereign LORD. 37 I will take note of you as you pass under my rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant. 38 I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living, yet they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.

      Look at verse 38-
      38 I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living, yet they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.

      A rebel is someone who is rebellious to the authority they are under. In this situation, the authority is YHWH-MessiahYahshua-Ruach HaKodesh. Why would YHWH bring those who are rebellious to Him, into the wilderness if His intention is to purge them out of His assembly? They are the ones who are scattering through replacement theology (the Christian Church) or their exclusive claims to the Halacha of Yah (the Jews).

      In the wilderness, Yah will plead (make His case) with those who are rebels. If they reject their rebellious ways and begin working towards the unity of “ALL” Israel, they will no longer be counted as rebels and will be allowed to enter Israel (The promised land). If they (the rebels) refuse to obey the rebel’s only hope is to be faithful unto death. They will realize at that point that they missed it and that the only way into the Kingdom is through tribulation and death.

      Those who refuse at this point are counted as rebels having no part in the Kingdom (Israel). Those who endure are ushered into the Kingdom and are no longer considered rebels.

      One fact that both the Christian Church and the Jews don’t seem to understand, is that Messiah (the Word-Torah) and Messiah the Lamb of Yah (our sin sacrifice) are ONE. He cannot and will not be divided. For His own purposes He has allowed it to be this way. But His day of restoration and reconciliation are upon us, and it will be so with those of a willing and humble heart.

      Shalom

  93. Interesting news article concerning Israel and Iran, given the timing of the events in the article. Couple this with Israel pulling all of their embassy personnel out of all 102 embassies for the first time ever. Only Yah knows for sure the events and timing of said events, but seems prudent for His people to be aware and alert. Anyone who is asleep and chooses to stay that way, just hit the snooze button and relax (sounds kind of redundant). I am sure it will all be okay! I apologize in advance for the sarcasm.

  94. Here is the article:

    http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2014/04/13/iran-crosses-israels-red-line-claims-entitlement-to-enrich-uranium-at-90-weapons-grade-level/

  95. Shalom Al,

    That was very interesting – much of which I concur.

  96. Michael,

    What I sent to you was part of a larger written piece that seemed to fit into what you were saying. I find that in paring it down I left out the foundational aspect of the writing. I include more just for clarity sake:

    Jeremiah 23 1-8
    Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

    23 “Oh no! The shepherds are destroying and scattering the sheep in my pasture!” says ADONAI. 2 Therefore this is what ADONAI, the God of Isra’el, says against the shepherds who shepherd my people: “You have scattered my flock, driven them away and not taken care of them. So I will ‘take care of’ you because of your evil deeds,” says ADONAI. 3 “I myself will gather what remains of my flock from all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their homes, and they will be fruitful and increase their numbers. 4 I will appoint shepherds over them who will shepherd them; then they will no longer be afraid or disgraced; and none will be missing,” says ADONAI.

    5 “The days are coming,” says ADONAI
    when I will raise a righteous Branch for David.
    He will reign as king and succeed,
    he will do what is just and right in the land.
    6 In his days Y’hudah will be saved,
    Isra’el will live in safety,
    and the name given to him will be
    ADONAI Tzidkenu [ADONAI our righteousness].

    7 “Therefore,” says ADONAI, “the day will come when people no longer swear, ‘As ADONAI lives, who brought the people of Isra’el out of the land of Egypt,’ 8 but, ‘As ADONAI lives, who brought the descendants of the house of Isra’el up from the land to the north’ and from all the countries where I drove them. Then they will live in their own land.”

    Matthew 12:30-32

    30 “Those who are not with me are against me, and those who do not gather with me are scattering. 31 Because of this, I tell you that people will be forgiven any sin and blasphemy, but blaspheming the Ruach HaKodesh will not be forgiven. 32 One can say something against the Son of Man and be forgiven; but whoever keeps on speaking against the Ruach HaKodesh will never be forgiven, neither in the ‘olam hazeh nor in the ‘olam haba.”

    We see the same message given in Jeremiah and in Matthew. It is a warning to make sure we are “gathering” and not “scattering” Yah’s sheep-His people. We know that Ephraim and Judah each went their separate ways during the days following Solomon’s death, by the will of Yah, and so it has been until our time. The end of days is not singularly about the Jews (House of Judah) OR the Christians (Ephraim-House of Israel) as separate entities. It is about the restoration of ALL ISRAEL-both Judah and Ephraim as one in Eretz Yisrael.

    Those of Judah and Ephraim who preach-teach-or endeavor to keep apart Yah’s people, through the teaching of replacement theology (the Christian Church) or an attitude of superiority or exclusivity (Orthodox Judaism) concerning their brothers and sisters, and continue to do so, will come under judgment and be seen as rebels, choosing to scatter (keeping apart) rather than gathering (bringing together).

    We find Messiah saying in Matthew 12:31-32 that the words He is speaking are of Him, the man Yahshua, but come from the Ruach HaKodesh-His Words are Spirit!

    The pivotal statement in all of this is-

    If we are not gathering Yah’s people, both the House of Israel (Ephraim) and the House of Judah (the Jews), then are we dividing and scattering. There is no middle ground on all of this. This is an absolute: we see the warning given in Matthew 12 30-32;

    30 “Those who are not with me are against me, and those who do not gather with me are scattering. 31 Because of this, I tell you that people will be forgiven any sin and blasphemy, but blaspheming the Ruach HaKodesh will not be forgiven. 32 One can say something against the Son of Man and be forgiven; but whoever keeps on speaking against the Ruach HaKodesh will never be forgiven, neither in the ‘olam hazeh nor in the ‘olam haba.

    These words of Messiah are strong and doesn’t leave much wiggle room. It is what you and others are called to do; to “gather” that which previous Shepherds have “scattered.” It is definitely the season and time of the harvest!

    Shalom

  97. Shalom Al, Thank you for the very good info. Let me share something with you about ‘all Israel.’ The mystery of Israel’s redemption lies in the fact that – ‘Only the remnant will be saved.’ The two houses of Jacob, Judah and Israel are prophetic in nature. The Remnant, though one, is redeemed in two stages separated by 100’s of years.
    Judah was saved first – Hosea 1. Jesus, of Judah, came to his own and ‘called-out’ the remnant in Judah – these were for the foundation and building up of the early Church. But after that the Gentiles came into the NC, the full number in Judah was reached, and Jews faded from the Church. And in fact, those who had rejected Jesus as Messiah, clinging to Moshe, God cast them out of His house, and all the curses of Deut32 (a prophetic history of Israel) came upon them.
    But now, in these end of days, God is again showing mercy to Israel. And as he made His disciples ‘fishers of men’ (Jer16) to gather the remnant in Judah, today He makes His Church ‘hunters of men’ (Jer16) to search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, the rest of the remnant.
    ‘All Israel’ is not Israel. Paul says in Rom11 that ‘all Israel will be saved’. But in Rom9 he defines who Israel is – ‘the children of the flesh are not the children of God – but the sons of the promise are counted as seed.’ So all Jews will not be saved – only His chosen.

    • This is awkward! We both used similar terminology with one of us speaking Greek and the other speaking Hebrew. I mistook your attitude as an innocent moment of pride, while in fact it seems that it was gross arrogance. Your seeming connection with Israel, the people and the land, was not to understand what Yah was and is doing there, but rather to be their self-proclaimed savior. I missed this one big time. Much of what you say in the natural sense is true. You do a great timeline. What you don’t seem to understand is the heart of our Abba, regarding the House of Israel (Christian Church-Ephraim) and the House of Judah (the Jews) and what He is doing in all of this. The Jews (at least for the most part) will not convert to Christianity and the Gentiles will not convert to Judaism.

      Your attitude seems to be one of Christian good-Jew Bad. My advice to you (not that you want it), clean up your own house before you carry your unwanted baggage to someone else’s house. My Jewish brothers and sisters deserve better than this.

      Also, no one ever said the Jews would be saved because of their ethnicity, just as the Gentiles will not be saved just because they call themselves Christian. It has always been about the remnant-which is NOT Hellenized Christianity nor is it those who say they are Jews and are not.

      I bear you no ill will or animosity. I have just heard all of this so many times before. Your traditions are of no affect and do you a disservice.

  98. I have no clue what u r upset about. NO Jew, will inherit anything apart from Christ – not the Land – nor eternal life.

  99. Al,

    Outstanding essay, writing about the Word and the Lamb are ONE.

    The evangelical church is clueless. I think they do not realize or appreciate “the fear of the LORD” (Isaiah 33:5-6).

    “Who is the man that fears the Lord? Him shall He teach in the way He chooses.

    He himself shall dwell in prosperity, and his descendants shall inherit the earth.

    The secret of the Lord is with those who fear Him, and He will show them His covenant” (Psalm 25:12-14).

    I’ll keep your complete reply/post for future reference.

    God bless you.
    Psalm 25

  100. Every eclipse occurs on these days for the Jewish calender is a lunar based calender. So of course these eclipses are going to happen on those days also please do some research before blabbing your mouth about something you know absolutely nothing about only God knows the time he says that and it is best to remember that and stop spreading fear and anguish

  101. Lol.. Thank you so much.. It is ridiculous how if one little thing happens, that if looked at can kinda but not relate to the Bible it is the end of the world.. People need to stop worrying about this.. Just live laugh an love everyday.. Enjoy your life like God planned.. If he wanted you to know.. HE WOULD OF MADE IT VERY CLEAR at the beginning.. So relax an enjoy this breath taking event..

  102. Yes, and those in Noah’s day were having a good time, and no doubt explained away the signs – Noah and his ark – clouds in the sky – rain falling from heaven. The sign on Sukkot 2015 IS the fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy for it tells of the soon coming (2016) ‘great and terrible day of the Lord’ the 70th Week. The Church needs to begin to prepare – divesting themselves of this world system and investing in the kingdom. So use your money for your ‘fun’ if u wish. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

  103. LOL.. These must be the same people that believed in y2k n Dec. 21st being the end too… Lol.. So what’s your guys excuse going to be this time? Smh.. Believe the church.. That’s your first mistake.. They lie more then anyone

  104. Lunar eclipse of April 15th 2014, with Mars at its closest to earth, within the same time frame and visible to the naked eye:

    http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nightsky/total-lunar-eclipse/

    http://www.universetoday.com/14709/symbol-for-mars/

    Coincidence? WE will just have to wait and see.

    • First of all, mars was not in true opposition last night. If so it would be either directly above or below the moon and it was not, so close but no cigar on that one.
      Also, mars is in opposition once every year and the moon is in opposition every month (at full moon), so this situation is not that rare and certainly not a once in a millennium event. A perfect opposition maybe, but as I said, last nights event was not perfect.
      Close enough for government work maybe, but not God’s.
      Note: I replaced my old gravatar with a photo of the eclipse I took last night. Also got a shot with mars in it. Cool shot for an old astronomer like myself.

      • Kind of early to say what it was and what it wasn’t-don’t you think? Your statements are cynical and definitive. Your response errors more on setting dates, by categorically denying dates. No one said emphatically that this was THE date! When we see all these things happening and coming together at one time, it is a call to watch and be prepared. We all have a tendency to believe one way or the other. That alone doesn’t make US right or wrong. It is when we are definite about the outcome that we cross that line. Your science seems to preclude your faith to a seemingly great degree. We will just have to see what plays out now. The problem is, many who read this will be prone to listen more closely to what you say, because you are the “science guy”, and you said nothing will happen out of this. Now we can all relax and not be concerned about any of this. Nothing can happen in the near future. We can hit the snooze alarm and catch a few more zzzzz’s!

        Honestly, I hope you are right:

        Amos 5:18
        New International Version
        Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light.

        But as was said above-“WE will just have to wait and see.”

        Sleep well James

        Shalom

        • Hey Al,
          Don’t get me wrong, I see things happening all the time that are precursors to the tribulation. Of course my expectations are different than most others. Its what I DON‘T see that I discuss here.
          For example, there are many here who have calculated or simply believe that based on these eclipses and other mathematical gymnastics that the Second Coming will happen in 2016. For years I’ve argued with people like this, but at this point it can’t possibly be true since the 2 witnesses have not yet shown up in Jerusalem. And since they are to preach for 3-1/2 years there is no way that 2016 is the right year. In fact, since they did not appear this year the earliest possible date would be 2018.
          So to everyone who bought into the 2016 date I can now say “I TOLD YOU SO!”
          THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING A CYNIC OR A SKEPTIC and understanding the truth. Believe me, if I ever see a world dictator come to power, or if millions of people are raptured I will quickly change my tune. But so far all of my critiques have been correct so I will just keep on truckin’ for the time being.
          Bless…

          • Hi Jim.

            I agree with you on this blood moon crap, but the ten toes are the last kingdom on earth. How can it be in the dark ages?

            Plus, I do not fear the Vatican and have no problem calling a lot of the Universal Church’s doctrine pagan. So, how is the Pope going to come murder me for being Christian? He has no physical power.

            I don’t think those who worship on Sunday will be sent to hell. What about those who work weekends and take one day off a week to rest according to G-d’s commandment?

            The two witnesses are murdered by the beast that rules the world, and causes all who do not worship him to be murdered. The beast also makes a treaty with the many and brings a false peace for 3.5 years. The two witnesses preach the last half of the seven year treaty and get murdered right before Christ’s return.

            • The ten toes represent the nations of Europe, from the beginning of the Holy Roman Empire to the current European Union, the restored Roman Empire, and the soon to be created restored Holy Roman Empire which will give the pope (False Prophet) all the power he needs to control the way people worship. The great whore church, still headquartered in Europe, is the mystery Babylon which will be destroyed before the Second Coming (the stone).
              So there is no need for additional body parts and all parts of the statue are contiguous – no giant gaps in time. Time-wise the feet last for almost 1,500 years.
              In the dark ages tens of millions were burned or beheaded for Judaizing – including worshipping on Saturday. The same will be true for the restored Holy Roman Empire in the near future. Just as the pope had the power back then, he will again soon. The mark of the beast will only be about the Roman Catholic Church and its leader. And if you don’t believe this could ever happen then the idea of someone taking over the whole world and forcing them to worship him and take his mark of a chip in the hand or forehead is simply ludicrous.
              Those who worship on Sunday will not be sent to hell. Hell does not exist – ask any Jew including Jesus. But they will certainly be taught a lesson with the 7 last plagues. By the time Christ returns there won’t be a Christian on earth who will ever want to worship on Sunday ever again. But if anyone persists then they will be terminated in the Lake of Fire.
              The 2 witnesses are killed by the minions of the False Prophet, the leader of the whore church. More than likely they will preach the Ten Commandments including the 4th and warn people they have strayed from the law. But the False Prophet will call them heretics and have them killed. Their appearance will herald the 3-1/2 year tribulation, not seven. There is no treaty, and no dictator takes control of the world promising world peace for 7 years.
              Unfortunately so many people believe in that story that they will not realize that the tribulation is under way because no such treaty will have been made.

              • jim

                you are stuck in daniel 2 and have never made it to daniel 7.

                so there is no hell, just ask any jew? while you are at it, ask them it jesus is messiah also. see if they believe in either jesus or hell

                hell is there and it is more than what you think. and you do not want to go there. jesus saved us from something…..a slap on the hand for sins, or something worse?

                where did you see that jesus said there was no hell.?

                so a christian who worships the true god and messiah jesus on sunday will be terminated in the lake of fire? that is pretty bad. I wonder what god does with the wicked, who do not worship god?

                I worship god every day in my life…including sunday…so I am going to the lake of fire? that is ridiculous.

                • I would ask you to find where in the bible hell is described. Obviously it is not in the Old Testament, so if hell was created it had to be part of the New Covenant and its creation must have been described in detail by Jesus to His disciples, right?
                  I mean, this is a huge change from old Judaism where when you died you slept in the earth until the resurrection. Surely Jesus would have told His disciples about it in detail so they could spread the new concept throughout the world. So where is this lecture? And where is the lecture that tells us that rather than sleeping until the resurrection, we are judged as soon as we die and are sent either directly to heaven or to this new place, hell?
                  Rev 20: 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
                  14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
                  15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
                  According to these verses, the sea contains dead people – but how is that possible if everyone goes to heaven or hell directly?
                  And what is meant by death and hell delivered up their dead? If people were judged and sent to hell when they died, why would they come out of hell to be judged again here? Did God make a mistake the first time? And what is death? How does it deliver people from it if everyone is in heaven or hell?
                  Then hell is thrown into the lake of fire. So the Lake of Fire can’t be hell, it must mean total destruction. But if the wicked burn forever in hell, how then is hell destroyed in the Lake of Fire?

                  It should be clear here that the word hell just means the grave, which it really does. The Catholic church replaced the word grave with hell 34 times in the bible to reinforce the concept which it adopted in the dark ages.
                  It is death and the grave who gives up their dead, and then after this Great White Throne Judgement they are both obsolete and are symbolically thrown into the Lake of Fire.
                  The great whore church has polluted the true word of God in so many ways that almost the whole Christian world follows the Vatican beast in one way or the other, and the belief in hell is a big one.

                  • you need to study your bible more…yes, the dead go to another world, and there are different words to describe the different options….not all the dead go to the same place.

                    there is a fiery place of punishment

                    http://doctrine.org/hell-and-judgment/

                    http://www.jesuscentral.com/ji/questions/did/what_did_jesus_teach_about_hell_842.php

                    • Those links do not prove anything. Their so called proof is that Jesus uses the word hell over and over, but they fail to realize that the word hell replaced the word grave by the Catholic church. So while Jesus was actually talking about the grave, the apostate pagan church switched words to fool unknowing people into thinking that they would burn in hell forever if they failed to show up in church every Sunday and put some money in the collection plate.
                      Try here for the truth about hell (and keep an open mind):
                      http://www.helltruth.com
                      You need to jettison your pagan misconceptions before the tribulation. All these concepts will be destroyed as Mystery Babylon when Christ returns. The true church of Christ will be mostly Judaism
                      and not all the extra crap that has been piled on it over the centuries by a false church. Imagine what the church of Philadelphia was like in 95 AD and you will be pretty close to the bride of Christ.

                  • jesus mentions the fires of hell…a fiery place…so it does not sound like “sleep” to me

                    • @Marianne

                      You said, “one way or the other, there is a fiery place that jesus described…..

                      its effects are eternal, whether you stay there forever or not.

                      it sounds bad enough where even 2 minutes is unbearable”

                      True Marianne. The question is, what is the Bible and Jesus referring to when they speak of fire?

                      The Bible is full of metaphor and allegory. Fire is thought to be a metaphor. The fire of God is thought to be a spirit against which evil cannot endure. Evil is thought to be a spirit that cannot endure in the light of God’s spirit.

                      It’s thought that the evil spirit within this “controversy” of our existence, will not prevail, and will be forever extinguished in the lake of fire that it, and the anti-Christ cannot endure.

                      Yes, there is an everlasting fire. It’s likely the fire of righteousness that evil cannot endure. Good always wins out.

                      Everlasting torture is inconsistent with a perfect God.

                      Dan

                    • see response below

                  • @Jim Giordano

                    Your logic is sound. An “everlasting” place of physical and mental pain and anguish is inconsistent with what a perfect God would ordain.

                    One must consider whether a perfect God would have “created” such a place like hell. Likely not. So, the other conclusion is consistent with what you have offered.

                    You are right. The stereotypical “hell” was a construct of the “whore” that was/is the “Beast”, which was/is Catholicism.

                    Those who reject what is freely offered, die the eternal physical and spiritual death.

                    The idea of eternal torture ordained by a God of love? Not so much.

                    Dan

                    • one way or the other, there is a fiery place that jesus described…..

                      its effects are eternal, whether you stay there forever or not.

                      it sounds bad enough where even 2 minutes is unbearable.

              • I Jim,

                I enjoy reading your posts, but I do not agree with all you wrote.

                If there are ten economic regions of the world which are controlled by a Central bank, then it seems easy for me to think one day someone will tell you to do something and when you do not the switch to your money is clicked off.

                I work weekends, so I have to take a day during the week as my day of worship. I may not get the rewards in Heaven I was hoping for like ocean view, wet bar…, but I feel believing in Jesus and trying to love others will get me to Heaven.

                Peace.

                • LN,
                  Remember that God marks the 144,000 in their foreheads. In other words He places His laws into their minds so that they might know the Lord. He cannot mark them in their hand because that represents works and since everyone has free will, only they can carry the law into actions.
                  The beast (Vatican) will place its mark of Sunday worship into the foreheads (minds) of its followers and they will believe that breaking the commandment(s) is the right thing to do. Most will obey and will put the mark into action and have it in their hand (works).
                  It is most important to know in tour mind that the true Sabbath is the 7th day and not the first. If you can avoid Sunday worship you will not have the mark. I suppose if the beast could force you to leave your home and got to church on Sunday, then perhaps if you went to the church but did not participate in any prayers then maybe you might not offend God.
                  If you must work on Saturday then perhaps acknowledging each Saturday as the true sabbath and asking for forgiveness (as in the Lord’s prayer) each time you are forced to break the law. We sin all the time and so we must always ask for forgiveness, so this is no exception.
                  Keep the law in your forehead and God will forgive your hand.

                  • now that is the most self contradictory comment I have heard in awhile….

                    do not take the mark, but if you do, ask for forgiveness and everything will be ok.

                    you are so stuck on sunday you are missing god

                    anyone who takes the mark, whatever it is , is doomed

                    • There are two parts to the 4th commandment – rest and worship. If you have to work for some reason, like a job, you are breaking the law so you must ask for forgiveness. But if you believe Sunday worship is the new law as changed by the church, you will suffer the seven last plagues. But we are not in the tribulation yet so the mark is not yet in effect. Once it is, all bets are off. I personally think it would be better to refuse to go to mass on Sunday and be killed than to try to fake it and hope the lord will be OK with it.
                      So you are right about the mark, but not till the False Prophet forces it on his people. Till then, try your best to follow the law, and ask for forgiveness when you fall short, as we all do.

  105. Shalom, This wholeVatican/AC/whore thing is old worn out crap. As far as the ‘covenant’, it has nothing to do with a ‘peace treaty’ or ‘security agreement’ for Israel. It has to do with the temple and sacrifices. It is not a peace treaty that is stopped mid-trib, but the sacrifices. As far as the TW, their ministry begin at the 6th Seal, and is related to the 144000. The 2nd Beast, the FP, the one ‘out of the earth’, is released from the Abyss at the 5th Trumpet. He makes war on the TW.

  106. No friend, we do not know the ‘day or the hour’ – but we do know the ‘season’ for He has given us ‘signs’ to look for. U have read, for example, Matt24. But some ‘christians’ will be in darkness – specially pre-tribers.

    • Although in Jesus’ day no one knew the day and the hour and today we also don’t know for certain, someday soon the day will be known (but not the day AND the hour).
      When the two witnesses appear in Jerusalem we will know the day. They should appear on Passover day and will be killed 3-½ years later just before the Second Coming. And since Jesus must return on the Feast of Trumpets to fulfill it, we can know the day exactly 3-½ years before it happens.
      Jesus gave us signs so we would know when he returns and we are supposed to be ready for Him. Those who stick their heads in the sand and just say “No sense in looking for signs because no matter how hard we try, we will never know the day” are doing the Lord a great disservice.

  107. Sorry, but all this is silly old worn out eschotology – get real – and updated!

  108. I believe the Blood moons are not intended for Jews in Israel but for “JEWS IN AMERICA”. All these cries of “hoax” are going to be usurped by a supernatural event that will result is a mass exodus of all Jews from the West to the land of Palestine. Mark these words–blood moons over America are a signal of an “omen” to bring America to it’s knees!

    • Hello hrgreenjr. When I read your statement I was floored because I had an inner feeling that it was a bad omen for America, but I’m thinking that it cannot be true because this kind of thing is for Israel and the Jews. You solved the problem, it’s for Jews in America.! This strong inner feeling came upon me about 2 weeks ago and has never left me. Thank you for your post.

    • you may well be right….but all of america is in trouble, not just the jews…

      but it also may cause the jews to leave.

      • The Christian Church is part of Israel, not just the Jews! The problem is the US is the most reprobate nation on the earth right now. I believe the Blood Moons were most definitely meant for America!

  109. The most important thing to remember is Agape/philos for fellow man.

    The greatest commandment.

    Even those who might see the mark/idol of the beast coming, won’t be able to withstand it’s influence without agape/philos/love for fellow man.

    Most will cave. Most will try to save themselves. One must be willing to DIE, for the law. The ultimate law is love for fellow man. It’s the only way we can show love for God.

    Dan

  110. Marianne (from above),
    Jesus described the Lake of Fire which is probably just a symbol of death where the flesh and the spirit are consumed. While there may indeed be a real lake of fire like the Kilauea volcano in Hawaii, it will only be used during the Great White Throne Judgement. After that, only the righteous will be alive so the fire will no longer be needed.
    He also referred to Gehenna, a trash dump outside Jerusalem which burned constantly at that time but has since been cleaned up. Many proponents of hell use the term “burning forever” to describe it but that was not the context Jesus was using when He mentioned it.

  111. dan

    you act like a perfect God does not believe in holy justice. and that the wicked should just get a slap on the wrist.

    God is love but he is also holy…..no sin can stand before him, and no one who has NOT repented will come before him either…

    so they go into hell for their rebellion…..this is their choice.

    • God’s idea of holy justice and our idea of holy justice likely differ. But that aside, Hell is anything separate from God.

      Jesus was in hell while here on earth. He’s likely in “a” hell, separated from us.

      It’s all perspective.

      Everlasting conscious torment for evil perpetrated within a temporal period does not make sense. We know that Satan and hell are cast into to the “Lake of Fire” and destroyed. If God destroys Satan, how much more mercy will He show the lost?

      Further, How would the saved resolve with themselves a reality where “lost sinners” were forever tortured? Makes no sense.

      Dan

      • we have to go by what jesus said and what the bible says.

        our perspective does not matter, it is what is written that matters.

        I gave jim some reference where jesus referred to the firey hell that awaits sinners…go back and read them or google them yourself.

  112. “Punishment” Is a concept of man. Corrective measures are a concept of a perfect God.

    Dan

    • yes dan

      It is man’s nature to assume he can get off easy with God.

      before you re-define “perfect god”…..go read what God says he will do to the wicked when his wrath comes.

      • It is absolutely true that is in man’s nature to think that he can “get off easy” with God. The only “wiggle room” with God is the blood of Jesus.

        .

        Sin always has consequence. Think not that I’m trying to re-define God. Just suggesting perspective.

        .

        Get ready for a right-brain journey……………………………………..

        .

        F’instance, God takes responsibility for everything, even to the extent of His death, for us! And why? To leave His blood testament; a concept long lost till recently. If His blood wasn’t required, His death would have been unnecessary.

        .

        Why was His blood required? We now know what man should have long remembered, that His blood was required on the Mercy Seat. If we had remembered, we would have long known where the Ark bearing His blood was located. Whatever God intends, happens! Did it happen? Yes. Why did it happen? To leave an irrefutable message/testament[corrective measure], for us! Is the Ark now as before, under the crucifixion site? Simple deduction dictates the answer. Did Jesus know it was there before He was crucified? Simple deduction dictates the answer.

        Interestingly, most Biblical commentary on the Ark of the Covenant states that the Ark is no longer important. Perspective. Some say it’s in “heaven”. Perspective. Some say it was destroyed. Perspective. Some say Ron Wyatt was crazy. Perspective. What does the King James Bible call the Ark of the Covenant in Revelation 11:19? The KJV refers to it as “The Ark of His Testament”. Big difference from 80% of other Bibles. Perspective. What Bible ya gonna believe?

        .

        F’instance, did God harden Pharoh’s heart? No. Did God intend it to be hardened by virtue of allowing it? Yes! Did God try to soften Pharoh’s heart with plea’s and plagues[corrective measures]? Yes. Did God know the outcome? Yes. Did Pharoh have free choice? Yes. Was Pharoh pre-destined? No.

        .

        F’instance, an everlasting physical, conscious, painfully torturous, hopeless punishing[non corrective] hell, while redeemed look on for eternity? Not likely.

        .

        Can God “scare” or “threaten” anyone into heaven. Not so much.

        Dan

        • we are talking about the fate of those who are not under the blood of jesus…they go to hell.

          god is not permissive in his approach to sin.

          jesus is not either…he requires repentance and a changed life.

  113. Consider this,
    If a person commits murder he is punished by life imprisonment or in some cases the death penalty.
    But imagine if any state tried to pass a law where murderers or even just thieves were to be tortured horribly every day of the rest of their lives. Do you think that such a thing would ever become law in this country?
    Certainly not. Such inhumane treatment would never be tolerated in any moral society.
    So then how could a God of love be any less moral?

    • @Jim Giordano

      Well said.

      Perspective

      Dan

    • you are trying to limit the holiness and morality of God.

      man is corrupt….and you expect to compare the liberal, demented, corrupt, bribe taking justice system with the holiness of God?

      God is holy…his standards are much higher than man’s

      man’s justice system is so lenient that a murderer can get out of jail in as few a 5 -10 years….this is after “suffering” in a system with TV, recreation, and 3 meals a day…..

      God is not lenient.

      the bible says the penalty for sin is death……both body and soul will die

      • @Marianne

        You said “the bible says the penalty for sin is death……both body and soul will die”

        I think that a key to this discussion would be that “both the body and soul will die”.

        It’s true that man’s justice is lenient, and we know why. But “why” is yet another discussion. The point is, we in the modern world don’t condone torture(or at least we didn’t before the Bush/Cheney/Obama era :[ )

        Man cannot DO ENOUGH evil within a finite timeline to warrant eternal, conscious torture with no hope of a positive outcome. Therefore, the “hell” stereotype must be reconsidered. We know
        that punishment rarely corrects, and more rarely deters. What purpose would “hell” serve if there were nothing more to deter, and nothing more to be corrected? Again, the conventional hell stereotype must be reconsidered, especially in light of the eventual death of the body and the soul

        Dan

        • torture is not condoned because it is the affliction of pain on the innocent, or undeserving…..around the world, millions of christians are tortured for their faith, yet the world remains silent….if one terrorist is tortured, then there is an outcry…so our values are disturbed , and not in line with god

          god created hell…and then described it.

          it is so horrible and severe that only the blood of Jesus can pacify the Father in heaven….to prevent the soul from perishing in the torment.

          hell is not to correct, but to destroy permanently….there is no escape

          it is not a purgatory, or a jail sentence, where you eventually get out for good behavior.

          it is only your opinion that man cannot do enough to merit an eternal hell….but god the father does not share your views.

          we want to call hell a stereotype so we can imagine that it is not as bad as god says.

          but it IS as bad as god says.

          if you go to hell, you will never leave….it is a permanent sentence of destruction and torment….you do not pass through and then go to heaven later.

          again the description is in the word of god…

          put your flawed human logic and desire for an easy temporary hell aside, and read the word of God.

      • You just proved my point:
        The penalty for sin is death……both body and soul will die.
        The soul is not eternal and therefore it will not burn forever in hell or anywhere else.
        The dead sleep until either the first or the second resurrection. The unrepentant wicked from the second resurrection are destroyed in the lake of fire.
        Even Satan and “hell” are destroyed in the Lake of Fire.
        Try googling “origins of hell” and you will discover there are all sorts of versions of hell and they all came from myths, never the bible.
        Does the bible say that Satan is the God of this earth or the ruler of hell? Your concept of hell comes more from the writings of Dante than from God.
        You take your preconceived notions and read them into the mistranslated words of Jesus and ignore the rest of the verses that properly describe what happens to the dead.
        But you are in great company. Satan has had his way with the church for so long the truth has long since been forgotten.
        You need to search for it again with an open mind, then come to the most logical conclusion.
        It worked for me.

        • if you want a true definition of hell, then read the bible, and stop the googling of internet idiots, as you say

          I go by the word of god,

          your logic is flawed, and is not supported by the word of god.

          the body dies anyhow…

          the soul dies when it is separated from god, but the torment is everlasting.

        • @Jim Giordano

          You are correct Sir. The stereotypical, accepted concept of a literal everlasting torturous hell(fire) imposed by God, is SERIOUSLY flawed, and is not what the word of God conveys.

          Such an onerous concept of hell is a stumbling block towards higher understanding of God’s love which has no opposite.

          God’s love is a system of attraction, not fear. As such, hell is not part of God’s ideal construct. Therefore, hell, along with death and wicked, are to be be destroyed.

          I would seriously question “a God” that would allow for a literal, everlasting conscious torture.

          Dan

  114. @Marianne

    Torture is NEVER valid, outcome based or otherwise. I’ll admit, that it’s tempting in some cases like child abduction, abuse, rape etc.(speaking as an old medic ;) )

    Did God really create hell? Or did He just take responsibility for it? The author of evil is Lucifer, and as such, hell is the natural result of Lucifer’s causation. God certainly knew about evil, but He did not speak hell into existence. Likely the only thing Satan DID create is hell.

    Interestingly, God likely didn’t cause the flood. He took responsibility for it. The likely probability is that antediluvian man did something to cause the breakup of the earth. Part of the rationale for this is that if God were to destroy the World, He likely could have done it far more imaginatively than a flood. There are Biblical corollaries that support this.

    Regarding blood sacrifices; killing of spotless animals was a “corrective measure”. Man was to “see”[feel] first hand, the pain of what sin causes. The Lord takes no pleasure is seeing such, neither does He savor the sweet “aroma”, as the Bible says. Likely Jesus had His hand on Adam’s when Adam slit the first lamb’s throat, and likely Jesus witnessed Adam cry in agony over such an act. Adam likely cried in agony over Abel’s death.

    Blood is required as a corrective measure. Man lost sight of the meaning of the corrective measure of blood. This is evidenced by the massive sacrifices mentioned in the Bible that man thought pleased God. They didn’t, because God knew that the corrective measure of blood no longer worked. Hence the need for His Son to die. The necessity of His Son’s blood testament was needed as a powerful sign to a dying world. The significance of His death sacrifice and blood message will likely be studied for eternity. That blood message was for fallen AND UNFALLEN. The Ark bearing His last Blood Testament has more power than most conceive.

    You are correct about no escape for the wicked. They made their choice. Unlike the thief on the Cross who chose to ask, the wicked will not ask, hence losing salvation.

    With regard to everlasting torment; if the body and soul are dead, who’s there to experience the torment? Kind of a variation on the theme of, “if a tree falls in the woods and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound”?

    Regarding my “opinion” about everlasting hell being an unfair “punishment” for finite wickedness, such opinion is based on rational logic; albeit man’s flawed logic(mine). Nevertheless, Divinely imposed eternal hell(as opposed to ordained) is illogical. The existing hell stereotype was imposed by the Beast/Roman Catholicism. Likely inherited from Semiramis. Therefore, we must reconsider the pre-existing stereotypical notion of what hell “is”(I’m not playing Bill Clinton word games with “is”)

    The Bible is clear that death and hell are cast into the lake of fire with Satan and the beast and the false prophet. We know that there have been many Popes[false prophets]. So does that mean that all the Popes will be thrown in the lake of fire? Or just the false prophet office? It can safely be presumed that the beast is the mystery religion of Babylon/Rome et.al. Satan, the father of lies is what he is. So, given that the Bible is full of metaphor and allegory, could the Lake of Fire be the consuming fire of Sin?

    Rev 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” Does hell continue on after this?

    Rev 21:8 “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Does hell continue on after this? Unlikely

    Dan

    • the blood of jesus was more than a corrective measure…. it satisfied the demand of god for death due to sin. it was the ONLY thing that did….

      jesus was pure and sinnless so only HIS sacrifice counted to remove everlasting punishment due to sin.

      hell exists, and the lake of fire ends it all… hell is the torment..and the lake of fire incorporates it at the end and makes it worse.

      this is not stereotyping..or symbolism or allegory….this is the word of god

      the soul is dead as far as eternal life goes, but it will still suffer in hell

      if you believe hell is just a temporary place, that is not so bad, then consider going there and see how things turn out

  115. Amen.

  116. To those out there who are blessed with a sense of logic, think about this:
    The Jews have no concept of hell. They believe that when you die you sleep in an unconscious state until the messiah comes to resurrect them. The word “sheol” refers to the grave or the resting place for the dead. It appears throughout the Torah and the Jewish version of the Old Testament.
    Then comes the Christian bible. In the Christian Old Testament the word sheol has been retranslated from grave to hell in about half the cases. Something is rotten in Denmark here.
    Clearly someone was trying to rewrite the bible to add new church doctrine. And remember, this is the same church that removed the second commandment from the bible. Now if they were so brazen to delete one of God’s laws, it should not be surprising that they would retranslate a word to suit their nefarious ends.
    Even in the New Testament, the greek word for grave, Hades, is translated as hell about half the time. Now that should really raise a red flag. Any church that just up and changes the word of God, for any reason, should not be trusted blindly when it comes to curious “new” doctrines.
    And remember that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. If there was no such thing as hell for the first four millennia, why would He completely change His policy on death just because His son was born? Was it a birthday present for Jesus?
    And surely, if He did make such a huge change in policy He would have had Jesus describe these changes in great detail in at least a couple of sermons, right? But all we get are a few verses where the word hell has replaced the grave or a reference to the burning garbage dump outside of town. Not a single description of the place or an explanation of why God completely changed what happens when you die.
    When you consider the source of hell – the medieval Catholic church which added so much pagan trash to Christianity, such as confession, communion, purgatory, indulgences, graven images, Mary worship, sainthoods, Saturnalia (Christmas) Ishtar (Easter) and dozens more, why would you just take their word on such a thing?
    I grew up catholic so I believed in all the doctrine for half my life. But when I began studying scripture and history the truth became clear to me. As a Catholic I read from my Daily Missile and the catechism only. I never read a bible until I was over forty. And being into science and engineering I don’t trust things that just don’t add up right.
    And there is a lot of catholic doctrine that doesn’t add up. And since the Catholic church is the great whore of Babylon and will receive the wrath of God in the tribulation, you better believe I’m not going to trust anything they say without checking it out first.
    Turns out most of their theology is simply made up for their own purposes.
    SO BE CAREFUL IN WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.
    Just because you’ve believed in something all your life doesn’t mean it’s true.

    • I guess jesus did not save us from anything then. poor guy. he wasted his time.

      he thought he was saving us from hell when all he was doing was saving us from sleep.

      jews don’t believe in jesus either

      • Jesus died for our sins in order that we might have eternal life. The rest will die in the Lake of Fire.
        Eternal life, or death, those are the choices.
        And let me ask you this; where do you think someone like Ghandi is right now? He did not die in Christ, so is he burning in hell right now? The same must be true for anyone who did not claim Jesus as their savior, right. Billions of otherwise good people.
        If the choice is either heaven or hell, surely these pagans can not enter heaven. Somehow that just seems unfair, and my God is a just God so I just can’t imagine all that torture to otherwise decent human beings. I can’t even imagine the mind that could think up such a thing. Satan maybe. Or a church controlled by Satan.
        But a God of love?
        Never.

        • a god of love is also a god of terrible wrath.

          ghandi is in hell.

          • So where is King David? He never knew Christ so where is he now?

            • he is considered saved, as he believed in the promises of the messiah…so he is in heaven now…

              jesus took all the old testament saints to heaven with him

              same goes for abraham…

              • OK, Explain this:
                The Bible compares death to sleep more than fifty times. When we are asleep, we are unconscious; we are not aware of the passing of time or of what is going on around us. That is what death is like as well. The Bible says, “for the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing… their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished” (Ecclesiastes 9:5, NKJV, see also Psalm 146:4; 115:17). It makes sense that after Lazarus was raised from the dead, he doesn’t share what he saw or experienced. He didn’t have anything to tell, except that once he was dead, and now he is alive! He didn’t experience hell or heaven. He was simply “sleeping” in his tomb. Peter on the Day of Pentecost said the same of King David. “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day…For David did not ascend into the heavens…(Acts 2:29, 34).
                Looks like the bible contradicts what you thought was true.

                • this was BEFORE the resurrection of Jesus…..

                  they “slept” until Jesus descended into “hell” or the place of sleep and gathered them up who were righteous…and took them to heaven during the 3 days he was “dead”

                  look at story of lazarous and rich man…there was a good side to hell and a bad side…..those with father abraham were safely waiting for messiah…

                  this area was emptied of the righteous, and now all of hell is bad…

                  • The book of Acts was written well after the resurrection. The apostles never taught that if you believe in Jesus when you die you will go directly to heaven. Jesus taught over and over that the dead sleep until the resurrection. Same as every other Old Testament writer. And Jesus did not descend into “hell” for 3 days. He was three days in the grave or tomb. Why would Jesus, of all people, be sent to hell for 3 days to suffer even worse torment than what the romans gave him? The reason is that the apostate pagan church substituted the word hell for grave in an attempt to fool gullible and uninformed worshippers into believing they had better attend mass every Sunday or else they will be punished for eternity. And it worked. It has fooled even the very elect.
                    The story you refer to was a parable and not literal.
                    Your explanation sounds like purgatory and the power of indulgences than what Jesus was trying to teach.
                    And as for the wrath of God, you will notice that it is always directed toward His people who disobeyed His laws, not other religions.
                    Too many Christians today think the terrible day of the lord which is to come is all about God’s wrath against other religions that differ from His own. But the truth is that it will be against all the Christian churches that pretend to be His but in fact are more from Satan than from God.
                    Ask not for whom the bell toll, it tolls for thee.

                    • it is useless to discuss this with you…. you don’t know the bible well enough to relate to what I say

                      jesus makes it clear that there are 2 compartments in hell….there was abrahams’ side and the bad side.

                      see below…….column is too narrow

    • @Jim Giordano,

      Brilliant exposition about the “hell” concept. You are spot on.

      You said, “Just because you’ve believed in something all your life doesn’t mean it’s true”. I LOVE this line. I’m going to use it.

      All, to a greater of lesser degree, have been taught what and how to believe. Far fewer have been taught how to THINK.

      Dan

  117. Al,

    Considering who is in the White House, riding out to conquer in 2009 and given a crown (prize) for peace, along with the Masonic symbolism and occult practices within the nation – I think you are right. Seal 4 might be about to open with the symbol of a Trident.

  118. Seal 1 through 3 are open.

    It is challenging to help folks see what is in plain sight. But, I’ll try.

    Seal 1 is all about Barry’s riding out on a white horse.

    Seal 2 is revolt/rebellion within the region (KJ “earth” – Strong’s gives the complete definition). It is Arab Spring – the Brotherhood, beginning December, 2010 in Tunisia and spreading throughout the region.

    Seal 3 is economic/inflation issues within the region, spreading from Greece around to Libya. But, Israel is not harmed (oil/wine).

    If the first 3 seals opening were obvious – then the virgins would be awake. Revival would break out while evangelicals would be doing appropriate workshops, programs and seminars. They are asleep and don’t know, do they?

    The virgins awaken closer to the time of the Great Tribulation, which is about the time of the 4th seal. It is during seals 4-6 when they struggle to find oil for their vessel, going out into the darkness. By the 7th seal – it’s all about compete and everyone knows what comes next.

    It is not wise to walk in darkness but remain with the company of Believers within the house, waiting for Him.

    “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast” (Isaiah 26:20).

    BTW. Found this bit of detail information today, confirming the depth of the darkness (blindness) covering the US and the world.

    Seems the World Trade Center Plaza (including the former Twin Towers and newly completed Tower) are filled with Islamic symbolism.

    “Minoru Yamasaki [architect] received the World Trade Center commission the year after the Dhahran Airport was completed. Yamasaki described its [WT Center] plaza as ‘a mecca, a great relief from the narrow streets and sidewalks of the surrounding Wall Street area.’

    True to his word, Yamasaki replicated the plan of Mecca’s courtyard by creating a vast delineated square, isolated from the city’s bustle by low colonnaded structures and capped by two enormous, perfectly square towers—minarets, really.

    Yamasaki’s courtyard mimicked Mecca’s assemblage of holy sites—the Qa’ba (a cube) containing the sacred stone, what some believe is the burial site of Hagar and Ishmael, and the holy spring—by including several sculptural features, including a fountain, and he anchored the composition in a radial circular pattern, similar to Mecca’s…

    At the base of the towers, Yamasaki used implied pointed arches—derived from the characteristically pointed arches of Islam—as a transition between the wide column spacing below and the dense structural mesh above. (Europe imported pointed arches from Islam during the Middle Ages, and so non-Muslims have come to think of them as innovations of the Gothic period.)

    Above soared the pure geometry of the towers, swathed in a shimmering skin, which doubled as a structural web—a giant truss. Here Yamasaki was following the Islamic tradition of wrapping a powerful geometric form in a dense filigree, as in the inlaid marble pattern work of the Taj Mahal or the ornate carvings of the courtyard and domes of the Alhambra.

    The shimmering filigree is the mark of the holy. According to Oleg Grabar, the great American scholar of Islamic art and architecture, the dense filigree of complex geometries alludes to a higher spiritual reality in Islam, and the shimmering quality of Islamic patterning relates to the veil that wraps the Qa’ba at Mecca. After the attack, Grabar spoke of how these towers related to the architecture of Islam, where ‘the entire surface is meaningful” and “every part is both construction and ornament.’

    A number of designers from the Middle East agreed, describing the entire façade as a giant “mashrabiya,” the tracery that fills the windows of mosques” (The Mosque to Commerce, by Laurie Kerr).

    Seems the public was not aware of the symbolism built within the Twin Tower Plaza and what occurred on 9/11, the symbolism in the replacement Tower or much of anything – because they are either blind, asleep or distracted by corporate/pop news, entertainment/sports and alien invasion or other distractions. John 16:12-15 applies.

    http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/08/08/110-111/

    Blessings
    Psalm 23:1-3

    • I would think that seals 2 and 3 are more global events, not small isolated conflicts and temp issues.

      • Like I said, “I’ll try”.

        Now, the producer of this video is probably not a Believer or a Christian but it is valuable to understanding how Satan influences cultures with “false religion” and worldly wisdom (Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, Roman and Masonic included).

        He explains the representations of “twin towers” in various religions. We need to understand that religions of the world mimic or attempt to replace the relationship man and God as we read in Scriptures.

        Bottom-line: the world today is much like the days of Noah. The next seals are required to purge the earth of wickedness.

        Having experienced deliverance, I can tell you that it can be painful. The pain I experienced was at a micro level, removing demonic oppression from my flesh.

        This pain will be replicated at a maco level (world) with the next seals opening. I expect it to be a very painful time but shortened only for the sake of the elect.

        The magick he describes within this video is not of God. So, don’t believe in magick but in Jesus Christ.

        Blessings
        Psalm 27

      • Marianne,

        If the first 3 seals opening were obvious – then the virgins would be awake. Revival would break out (seeking oil for their vessel), while evangelicals would be holding appropriate programs and seminars in each denominational setting for their members.

        The virgins are asleep and don’t know, do they?

        Seals 1-3 are open:

        The sign in the heavens (Rev. 12:1-5) was above us on Feasts of Trumpets, 2011).

        Jubilee begins 2017. We just don’t know the day or hour.

        Blood moons are occurring – did you miss it?

        Are you trying to extend dialogue or are you serious?

        The virgins awaken closer to the time of the Great Tribulation, which is about the time of the 4th seal. It is during seals 4-6 when they struggle to find oil for their vessel, going out into the darkness. By the 7th seal – it’s all about compete and everyone knows what comes next.”

        BTW

        It is obvious that NYC is the great city referenced in Revelation 18 too. But, most do not recognize this or don’t care to investigate or keep looking once it becomes obvious. Why keep looking or assuming there is another “great city”?

        More information behind the symbolism of the World Trade Center (“O Babylon, O city of power” as we read in Rev. 18:10, NiV).

        http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/08/31/freedom-tower/

        Blessings
        Psalm 25

        • yes i am serious….I understand and respect your view, but I don’t think those small events are the big seals described in rev 6

          • Small events?

            Ha.

            I’ll restrain my self.

            Please, keep the dialogue going and going.

            Here is an interesting observation by the producer of “Secrets In Plain Sight” (who does not seem to be a professing Christian).

            “How buildings [Twin Towers] turned to dust before our eyes and why many still can’t put two and two together is astounding. The War on Terror/Terra is literally a War On Consciousness. It has largely shut down critical thinking in large numbers of people.”

            How true.

            “And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness” (2 Thess 2:11-12, NKJV).

            Blessings
            Psalm 27

            • I am willing and interested to see how your viewpoint turns out.

              so the next few years should give us the answers

            • I still think the lie is still to come. Jesus said it will be like during the time of Noah for his return.

              Geneses Ch. 6, and Numbers Ch. 13 tell us about the fallen Angels, and their offspring the Niphilim. I think we will see a false Christ return from Old Knob. The lie that misleads even the elect.

              • @Leatherneck,

                Apparently, the original Hebrew word for “son’s” in context of Genesis 6:1-4 was Nephalim. Nephal may be a root of Nephalim.

                Nephalim can mean giant, or lier, or [the]fallen… This kid of changes things regarding Genesis 6,1-4

                Chuck Missler has something to say about this.

                Anyway, Strange things were happening before the flood

                Dan

                • word for son is “ben”

                  nephal is giant….

                  the giants were the sons of the fallen ones…just so that is clear

                  • @Marianne

                    True.

                    I’m not sure that I understand all of the inferences of of the word Nephalim in the Hebrew context.

                    I haven’t researched this to the extent that I’d like. Likely won’t have time. Things happening too quickly

                    Dan

  119. It’s now likely that only the sixth and seventh seals remain unopened

    Dan

  120. Here is what Revelation says about the seals:
    Estimates of end times deaths are based on the assumption that 1/4 of the world’s population will die during the seal judgments. This comes from an interpretation of Rev. 6:8 where Death and Hades are given power over 1/4th of the earth to kill by the sword, famine, plague, and wild beasts. If 1/4th of the Earth refers to the population count, that leaves 3/4ths of the population still alive at the end of the Seal Judgments.

    Then come the Trumpet judgments. In Rev. 9:15 the four angels of the Euphrates are released to kill 1/3rd of the remaining population. If you know your fractions, you know that 1/3 of 3/4ths is 1/4th. 1/4th (Seals) plus 1/4th (Trumpets) equals 1/2. Therefore between the Seal and Trumpet judgments 1/2 of the population alive at the beginning of the seals will have died before the Great Tribulation even begins. We’re not told how many die during the Bowl judgments, but certainly there will be many more.

    So how does the Arab spring fit these descriptions? First of all the Book of Revelation is about Christianity, and a few uprisings in Muslim countries are of no concern to God.
    Secondly, the events of the Arab spring in no way qualify as “biblical proportions.”
    Thirdly, if the 70th week started in 2009, the antichrist should be in control of the world by this time and the mark of the beast should be in effect by now. I don’t see any of this having happened or even about to happen.
    According to Daniel the King of the North should have attacked the King of the South by now and a 200 million man army should be ready to come across the river Euphrates.
    And then where are the 2 witnesses? Not enough time left for them to preach for 3-½ years.
    I’m afraid you have invested so much time and effort into your theory that you are now grasping at straws to find any sort of events to act as proof, while ignoring 90% of scripture.
    So exactly what do you expect to happen next? Or can’t you say until it has already happened? I’ll bet in 2009 you weren’t expecting the Arab spring, were you? So care to go out on a limb and predict something that will happen in the near future? You seem to be about the only person on earth who has this idea so the rest of us can only count on you to tell us what signs to look for, seeing as we missed so many of them already when they were right in front of us.
    I know the Book of Revelation was not written just for you and a few others so you will have to explain the rest of it to all of us who might be a bit skeptical and simply too dumb to have figured it out by this time.
    Thanks.

  121. James,

    You wrote, “Therefore between the Seal and Trumpet judgments 1/2 of the population alive at the beginning of the seals will have died before the Great Tribulation even begins.”

    Try this approach – seal 4 opens, then what takes place? Hummmm?

    There is no body count ongoing since Seal 1 opened through Seal 2 (Arab Spring). Many have died in that rebellion within the region.

    The international death toll begins once the Great Tribulation begins and the plagues begin. By the way – the first plague is in one hour. How many will die in that one hour within metro NYC?

    More later – time for work.

    Blessings
    Psalm 23

    • Matthew describes the first seals this way:
      For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
      The second seal is a world war. The Arab nations revolted against dictators, not each other.
      This war is nuclear – flesh will melt off the bones. This is followed by inevitable famine – the earth is nuked – nothing will grow. People die in the streets and the rotting bodies cause dysentery and a host of other diseases which take out half the worlds population.
      These events will be of biblical proportions, worthy of mention. The Arab spring barely moves the needle on the war meter. Even WW2 barely makes a blip.
      Unfortunately for you, you’re on a strict timetable and now time is running out. I will follow your predictions but I’m not expecting much to happen between now and the endpoint of your interpretation in 2016.
      Keep us posted.

      • James – read the text (seals of Revelation) with Greek word definitions.

        You still need help with the hell topic?

        James, I will keep you posted as long as we have access to the Internet.

        Should the internet fail us (one way or the other) and you are alive (not in hell of course), able to see the destruction of NYC,
        I am sure you would say that was not “Babylon” but something else to fit your paradigm.

        Now – I must be going.

        • So you think God is going to destroy NYC (as Babylon)? So what do you see as the 2 beasts and the woman who rides the second one? And who is the False Prophet, the mayor?
          Your story is too bizarre for me. I need more details before it will make any sense to me.

          • mystery babylon is a city that rides the beast….islam….which hates her and destroys her. false prophet may be the pope, since he is in bed with muslims already

            • The false prophet, one of the three in the false Trinity, brings fire down from heaven as to deceive the masses. A false messiah in Israel causing the Jews to worship the beast and his image might do the trick.

              The Jews, I don’t think, will follow a pagan the pagan religion that the Pope belongs to.

  122. jim

    eph 4 he descended:
    7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8 This is why it[a] says:

    “When he ascended on high,
    he took many captives
    and gave gifts to his people.”[b]
    9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[c]? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 1

    1 peter 4: he preached to the dead while he was descended

    6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

    so jesus was NOT sleeping when he descended into the lower regions, if that is a better term than hell….they were not sleeping either if they heard the gospel

    1 peter 3
    18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—

    ——

    if you believe the wrath of god is oNLY directed toward the believers you are completely wrong.

    the righteous are not appointed unto wrath…

    the OT is full of examples of the wrath of god against the enemies of Israel…

    israel was punished,

    but the enemies received wrath….

    the book of revelation talks about how all the nations of the earth will be judged…it does NOT say this is reserved for the church

    the wrath is for the wicked

    https://www.raptureready.com/resource/stanton/k2.htm

    • So if everyone who has ever lived has been sent to heaven and hell, who will be resurrected when Christ returns and then again at the end of the millennium? And what is the Great White Throne Judgement for? If everyone is judged at death and sent to heaven or hell, there will be no one left to resurrect or judge.
      Peter never claimed that Jesus preached to the dead. The term, “the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead“ means that the gospel was preached to live people who at the time of this writing had been executed.
      From Matthew Henry’s From Matthew Henry’s bible commentary:
      “The gospel had been preached to those since dead, who by the proud and carnal judgment of wicked men were condemned as evil-doers, some even suffering death. But being quickened to Divine life by the Holy Spirit, they lived to God as his devoted servants. Let not believers care, though the world scorns and reproaches them.“
      As usual as you often do you have taken verses out of context and changed their original meaning.
      And what pagan cities were destroyed by God in the Old Testament? Sodom and Gomorrah were God’s people. Noah’s unfortunate neighbors were also God’s people. The only example I can think of is Egypt but they were enslaving God’s people so God’s actions were to protect his people, but guess what, shortly afterwards he punished them all by making them wander in the desert for 40 years. But he has never simply destroyed a city or country simply because they were pagan. It wasn’t until the paganism got into His church that He talks about destruction.
      Does anyone here actually believe He will tolerate pagan holidays and rituals in His millennial church? Will He allow 99% of Christians to use Sunday as the lord’s day? He won’t even be listening. Break the commandment and suffer the plagues.
      After Christ returns no one will believe in hell or Christmas or Easter or wear crucifixes and dozens of other things. It will all be destroyed
      before He arrives.
      You can bank on it.

      • Sodom was never god’s people.

        he body is resurrected to join the spirit

        read again…whole empires were destroyed

        • You never explained what all the attention to 2 resurrections:
          Though we may die, Jesus says, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.” (John 11:25). We will receive immortality when Jesus comes again (see 1 Corinthians 15:51-54). The Bible says that all those who have died—both righteous and wicked—will be raised to life in one of two resurrections. The righteous will be raised to life at Jesus’ second coming. “ For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16, NKJV). According to this verse, the righteous do not to go heaven when they die. They remain asleep in the grave until Jesus returns and raises them to immortal life (see 1 Corinthians 15:50-57).

          The wicked are raised to life in a separate resurrection—the resurrection of condemnation. Jesus said, “Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.” (John 5:28, 29, NKJV).

          The prophets never mention in the Bible that the righteous immediately go to heaven or the wicked go to hell when they die. Neither did Jesus and His apostles teach it. When Jesus was about to leave His disciples, He did not tell them they would soon come to Him. “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.” (John 14:1-3, NKJV).

          When He returns, our loved ones asleep in Christ will awake from their tombs. No matter how long the time has passed, be it long or short, will be but a moment to them. By the trump of God, they are called forth from their deep slumber they will begin to think just where they ceased, awakening to a glorious immortality.

          The dead are resurrected from their graves, not bussed in from heaven or hell. You can’t have any resurrection if everyone never dies but just gets relocated.
          Your argument is illogical and therefore cannot be true.

          • you can believe that if you want.

            logic here is subjective

            there have also been many life after death experiences where the person visits heaven after death and comes back to tell the story..they are not asleep but very alive….

            you most likely don’t believe them either..but that is ok….we will all find out soon…

            • Logic is never subjective. Try taking a class in it. There are rules in logic and they are fixed and not up for debate.
              As for NDE’s consider this: Christians report seeing Jesus when they “die” but Hindus report seeing Krishna and Buddhists report seeing Buddha, so who is correct? Or is it just the unconscious mind creating a dream state?
              You’re the scientist here.
              But don’t let scientific proofs interfere with your life-long beliefs.

              • when logic is flawed it becomes subjective.

                so you are saying that jesus is krishna?

                who the “dead” meet at death would logically vary…

                http://www.near-death.com/hindu.html

                in this link, hindus are taken by dark negative figures…..well that would make sense…

                dark forces have them instead of divine ones.

                they are lucky they were revived.. maybe they will have a chance at being saved

                • You just said that Hindus go to hell, like Ghandi. But none have ever reported going to the hell of the bible. That is illogical. They report seeing their God in paradise surrounded by all their lost loved ones. Even atheists don’t say they went to heaven nor hell simply because they don’t believe in either of them.
                  Youclearly don’t understand the rules of logic… You say that people either go to heaven or hell, then you say it is logical that their experiences should vary. But that is illogical – their experiences should all be the same. And how come no one has reported seeing hell? Even criminals have said they saw Jesus in heaven when they clearly should have gone to hell. The fact that no one anywhere on earth has claimed to have visited hell should be proof enough that it doesn’t exist. And any variation other than heaven or hell tell me that each person see only what their subconscious minds want them to see.
                  In any case I’m not basing my theology on what some dead guy says he saw.

                  • they did not see hell in the LAD experiences because they were lucky…..and should be grateful…..when they die for good, they will see it

                    • Lucky? Really? God sent them to some alternate waiting place? Maybe it was purgatory. Maybe the Catholics really have something there.
                      And how come God can predict the future 4000 years ahead yet He can’t predict that a person will be resuscitated in five minutes. Come on, have more respect for the Lord. This whole NDE concept is seriously messed up. Believe in the dreams of dead people if you want but I’m not fooled one bit.

                  • see below

  123. The pagan holiday of blood known as the Arab spring. Is region 4 of the WTO coming on line with one central bank, and one coin. Inside region 4 the weight of the cross is very heavy.

    The world system wants that region 4 on line PDQ. I think the Ukraine crisis is in response to Russian not helping in Syria. American tax payer monies is being used to help the Muslim Brotherhood in the old Caliphate. In return for helping the enemies of Israel grow stronger, expect more storms, and earthquakes out the wazzoo for America and the rest of the world.

  124. Jim

    both those who have converted to Christianity, and those that don’t , have described meeting other worldly beings that either gave them a feeling of foreboding or joy.

    not every NDE brings the person to what would be a final eternal destination for them.

    there are some positive ones, for example, where people meet Christ or some heavenly angel, but do not see heaven

    the same thing applies to negative ones….people can just meet the death angel, or another negative being, and realize that not all is well….they do not go to “purgatory” or hell…..

    what makes the negative ones lucky is that they did not really stay dead, and end up in hell

    • So they don’t actually go to heaven nor hell, they just meet characters who represent those places? Is this God’s doing and if so what is his purpose?
      So where did they go? Did they get a spirit body so that they could see and hear in that location?
      There is no way to explain every instance of NDE as the intentional work of God. You could conjure up a complex convoluted set of scenarios to explain it but it would all be just conjecture on your part with no biblical proof whatsoever.
      It reminds me of all the various crazy YouTube videos you used to post showing proof of planet Nibiru. Dozens of different locations all at the same time, and what do you have to show for all your expectations? Nothing. Which is exactly what the bible does say agog the dead – they know nothing. It is all over the bible yet not a single description of hell… where is it? What is in there? How are the wicked tortured exactly? Just the heat? Its probably a dry heat so maybe it is simply uncomfortable – like living here in southern California in the summer without air conditioning. All you know of hell are from books, paintings or movies. The bible never describes it. It only uses the word and even that is a translation error based on a satanic scheme to defraud the public which is well documented in any decent history book.
      I tell you what. I’ll believe in hell when Nibiru shows up in the sky for all to see.
      But that won’t happen till hell freezes over.

  125. It’s all very simple.

    Rev. 6.12 says 3 things happen IN ORDER before the Tribulation starts (8.7). The first rapture according to readiness (partial rapture – Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10) “before the throne” (7.9) in 3rd heaven would be Feast of Trumpets Sept. 26, 2022 (see below) then follows the 7 year Tribulation.

    1) Great earthquake. Haiti 2010 320,000 died. Japan 2011 was the 4th greatest in magnitude anywhere on earth in human record. Back to back, year over year, this has never happened before in the history of the human race. It may never happen again!

    2) A very unique solar eclipse – black sackcloth sun. There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid about 5% of the time. Then there are 3 kinds of hybrids. The H3 is the rarest which is 5% of that 5%. As it turns out the 4th long H3 since Christ was Nov. 3, 2013. Wow! It won’t happen again till 2172.

    3) A very unique red blood moon. The rarest of all red blood moons is not just the Tetrad but the feast Tetrad. The 8th feast Tetrad since Christ is 2014/15. It won’t happen again till 2582/83 nearly 600 years. And it has no unique solar eclipse attached to it so it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know Rev. 6.12 is specifically talking about the 2010-2015 period soon before Jesus returns. The 2014/15 Tetrad specifically indicates the beginning of construction of the 3rd Temple since the 6th Tetrad indicated Israel a nation again, and the 7th Tetrad when Israel would take over Jerusalem.

    What then is the sign of the Son of Man in Matt. 24.30? It is the rarest of all rare events. Never in human record has this ever happened before. Apophis asteroid, about 3 football fields in length, will fly within satellite distance of earth Apr. 13, 2029. This has never happened before of such size and closeness to earth.

    There is a 7 year preparatory period for 2,520 days (7 x 360 and the smallest number divisible from 2 to 10 as Daniel’s basic prophet working unit and the final seven — the 70th seven) from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B’Av Aug. 7, 2022 when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. Then follows the 2,520 days (plus 30 days more for the 1290th day of the Great Trib) from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 26, 2022 to Day of Atonement Sept. 19, 2029.

    So simple so nobody is without excuse.

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