Angels eat food

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Angels can eat food, and mate, apparently, with the bodies they have.

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The reason I bring this up is because I heard an argument by a Muslim, Deedat, that Jesus could not be divine, because he ate food, and someone divine does not eat food.

Answering who Jesus is, and his divine nature, is a different post!.

This is to focus on whether or not someone from heaven can “eat food” or do anything a human would do in an earthly body.

The bible shows angels can materialize from an invisible form to a visible one, in order to bring a message to man.

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Angels often appeared to men, especially in ancient times.

While in a glorified state, there is no need for food.

But it appears that when they are in physical, earthly form, that they can eat, drink, etc. – function – just like a human.

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Here is one example:

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  1 And the Lord appeared unto him (Abraham) in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

  2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

  3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

  5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

  6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.

  7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

  8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

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Angels can apparently mate also, when they materialize.

The bible records the visitation of the fallen angels who mated with human women, producing the nephilim.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

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Some minor wisdom

Debates about scripture usually end up in details. Are they right or wrong?

I watched a video where a pastor failed to answer a Muslim’s challenge questions.

I thought the questions were easy to answer.

It was pathetic to watch the pastor, who had a doctor of divinity degree.

He had an emotional response, instead of an academic one, like he should have.

So what good is his degree, if he does not know enough about his own bible to defend it?

He was not prepared.

Unless we stop depending on teachers and preachers to tell us what to think, and spend time in the Word ourselves, the Word will not really be in us.

In fact, we will only have the thoughts of others.

Our faith, and the salvation of others, may depend on how much “Word” is united with our spirit.

This is Word we dug out ourselves, and digested it as food for our soul.

It is not memorized doctrine from church.

It is something Alive within us.

 


221 Responses to “Angels eat food”

  1. The only problem with this mating issue is that the bible says in Gen 6:2 “sons of God” even we as humans are called sons of God in the bible. So WHO are the sons of God?

    Hosea 1:10, Romans 9:26, Galatians 3:26

    We are only guessing its angels. Plus if you believe its angels then you probably agree the book of Enoch is correct too then. personally I think the book of Enoch is not in the bible because our God did not want it in there because it is full of false half truths.

    • Nigel

      The sons of God definition is inferred from the context. They were fallen angels who were punished for this activity.

      I cannot comment on the book of Enoch. I have read it, and it seems believable, but I do not have the confirmation.

      • What context are you referring to? Theres nothing that indicates fallen angels? Even my header in the NKJV even calls this section of Gen 6 The Wickedness and Judgment of Man.

        Fallen angels are not inferred here anywhere.

        • Hi Nigel,

          Forgive me, and with all due respect, I am not sure if the logic you have utilized to substantiate your positions, are sound.
          If I may comment on the phrase “son’s of God” first.
          The phrase,”son’s of God” is only mentioned 4 times in the Old Testament.
          Genesis 6:2, 6:4, and Job 2:1, 38:7.
          In Hebrew it is transliterated as ” ben ‘elohiym “.

          If you were to read these verses in Job within their proper context, I believe that you would agree that they are indeed referring to angels.
          (On the other hand, your submission of Hosea 1:10 (if taken in it’s proper context), is not, and in Hebrew is transliterated as, ” ben chay ‘el .”)

          Therefore, since the only other times this exact phrase is utilized, and it’s utilization denotes angels, it is then not beyond reason to apply the same definition to any previous or subsequent verses if the surrounding content, or context appears to suggest a merit to do so.
          Hence Marianne’s statement, ” The sons of God definition is inferred from the context. They were fallen angels who were punished for this activity.” (August 29, 2010 @ 1:28am)

          Though there are those that maintain the belief that Genesis 6 is referring to the lineage of Seth, that belief does not explain why that lineage’s genetic makeup started to begat “giants” (or nĕphiyl)?

          Where you say on August 29, 2010, @ 6:44am, “We have to remember that the bible clearly says that God is the creator of ALL living things, not angels. Isaiah 44:24, Colossians 1:16″
          That does not eliminate the possibility for God’s creation from creating. Obviously “we” mankind, would be an exception to what you are inferring to in your statement.
          Who can say whether or not conclusively that angels, either in their spirit, or in a physical earthy form, do not have the same potential? Genitalia is not necessarily a prerequisite, for the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary supernaturally.
          Who amongst us really knows what a fallen angel is capable of?

          I am not in any way presenting this to be a definitive proof of one belief over the other, but rather, because of the above, I believe we should maintain an open mind, and entertain the possibilities of both positions.

          Where you say on Sept. 1, 2010 @ 2:25pm, “I simply need to ask then, WHAT can I call someone who doesn’t believe that God is NOT powerful and influential enough to have the book of Enoch in the bible if He wanted it in there?”

          I don’t believe that God’s Sovereignty or Power is what is in question at all here. Rather, in giving man his free will, it is instead, what it is that He allows mankind to do. I am sure that you will agree, “we” constantly do all sorts of things that are against His will.

          On Sept. 2, 2010 @ 3:28am you say,” So maybe you can explain to me why you think the hs is an entity of its own?”

          Well, may I offer these two links for some additional information for consideration, beyond what has already been provided to you here.

          http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Trinity/trinity.html

          In the above link, the author states that the Shema’s “Adonai Eloheinu…” translates as the “Lord our Gods”.
          Eloheinu (אֱלהֵינוּ) is the masculine plural construct form of the word Elohim (אֱלהִים), which is the plural form of El (אֵל) or Eloah (אֱלוֹהַּ). This means that the grammar allows for multiplicity within unity, i.e., the triune nature of the Godhead.

          http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Triunity/triunity.html

          Also, It is my opinion that the Triunity of God is clearly expressed by the Messiah speaking through the prophet Isaiah in 48:16….. 16 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.” (NKJV)

          Shalom & God Bless

      • Marianne…The Holy Spirit absoltely confirmed to me that they are real. No question. He literally moved in me without a doubt…immediately when I specifically said …Lord are they real?? I was afraid when I read on them initially and thought surely this not real..so I immediately asked the Holy Spirit and he confirmed YEP they are…as real as can be. I thank the Lord so many times a day for the truths he is showing me. I do not know why he has chose to do so but am eternally grateful for what all he is telling me. I literally ask him last year as I fell to my knees for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and promised I would seek him like I have never in my life but I need answers (at the time it was on all that had happened in my life with my son as I told you and my feelings that I thought his return was near and I was confused about pretrib, post trim, etc and needed to know the truth)…and so as I study faithfully daily as I promised he has held up to what I asked in return and for some reason, he has chosen to show me the truth about many things I had not even asked for and more)

      • Yes, Angels like myself come in human form. Most Angels prefer to stay in spirit form because of the “Darkness of the earth.” some Angels sin, let me make this clear there are only 7 sins that can darken an Angel. Demons are not fallen Angels. When an Angel is told to replenish the earth, they find the purest human as a mate. Angels that return to earth and mate with out permission from God first it is considered a sin and there purity is taken and there light is eaten as punishment for there sin and since God dislikes sin the Angels fall from heaven, “Fallen Angels”.

    • Hi nigel,

      I am reading the book of Enoch this evening and I don’t see any contradictions to the scriptures. It has a lot of revelation. I posted below some of the chapters from Enoch. If you go back to Genesis chapter 6 and when you get to verse 4 you will see where the Nephilim were just mentioned; I noticed even as a child when reading it that there was something missing-I believe this is where Enoch takes off, but they (those who developed the king james version) chose to leave it out-NOT G-D. Enoch was the grandfather of Noah!

      • You don’t see ANY contradiction at all?

        What about chapter 22 …… The spirit of Abel is crying out to God until Cains SEED is destroyed from the earth???? That totally contradicts the bible and its teaching about when we die, we go to sleep and are unconscious. The dead know nothing. (John 11:11-14 Eccles 9:5) Yes God mentions that Abels blood cries from the ground in Gen 4:10 but we know the writer is being poetic here because blood cannot make a sound. This is what I mean when I say Enoch is full of half truths. All these other angels are NEVER mentioned in the bible anywhere but yet this book of Enoch mentions them over and over and over?

        • I read the whole thing and no I didn’t see any contradictions. What you are mentioning above is also in the scriptures with Abel’s blood crying out-who are we to say that blood cannot cry out if G-D says that it does! And the angels are mentioned thru out the scriptures-who do you think came to Mary? who do you think fought the demons on Jacob’s behalf? I think it was Jacob…somebody had asked for help and then Michael came and said he would have been there earlier-he was delayed 21 days because he had to fight demonic forces…The book of Enoch also flows and has the same prose? as the rest of the old testament. And the in Genesis 6, it talks about the Sons of G-d (angels) who looked upon the daughters of men(human females) and saw that they were fair and took them as their wives…and there were GIANTS in those days…etc….the evidence of the GIANTS have been discovered by Archaeologists and can be found in various museums. Why do you think G-D sent a flood upon the earth? BECAUSE of what these Angels did! Now from reading the book of Enoch, I did get the understanding these angels who took the women as their wives were not originally the Fallen Angels but were originally assigned to be the Watchers-sent to earth to only observe and to report back to G-D. They failed by interbreeding with the human females and creating another breed-hybrid-thus G-D sent the flood to get rid of the tainted bloodline-G-D made a point to POINT OUT that Noah’s bloodline had not be tainted and so this is why G-d chose Noah’s family which was ENOCH’s descendants/grandson and great grand-sons.

          The flood is also mentioned in the book of Enoch.

          • I don’t get you…… you wont type God because I’m assuming you are trying to respect God and think its taking Gods name in vain but yet that only applies when you use His name for NO reason. When you talk about Him or talk to Him you are allowed to use His name.

            But yet you don’t have faith in God thinking that He is not powerful enough to get this book of Enoch in the bible if He wanted it there.

            Your statments are never backed up by scripture, its FULL of assumptions on why stuff happened and you add stuff you think is correct to back up your assumtions. When you add stuff (in brackets) like you do above there is no convincing you you might be wrong so I’m done hitting my head against this wall with you.

            As I said earlier, you have your G-D and I have my God. Its obvious we serve a different Jesus. We will see who’s right when He returns.

            Best of luck on what you believe and hopefully we will have a laugh about this after we are both resurrected when ever that might be.

            • I have backed up everything with SCRIPTURE and you know this-anyone can know this-just read my posts! And how dare you state that I don’t have faith in G-D! I LOVE HIM; I ADORE HIM AND I HAVE KNOWN HIM SINCE I WAS 6 YEARS OLD! I know who my SAVIOUR IS and it is the SON of G-D-YESHUA/JESUS CHRIST.

              You, however ,are RUDE; Judgemental; Falsely accuse and make False statements-THESE are YOUR FRUITS Nigel!

              I feel sorry for you! You choose to attack me instead of actually OPENING UP YOUR BIBLE and reading the SCRIPTURES that I GAVE YOU regarding the TRUTH! Movin on-!

              • lyndsey

                I think the dispute here is the doctrine of the Trinity.

                Some believe it, Father son holy ghost all equal and all God…3 in one.

                Others believe in Oneness of God.differently…that Father , son, holy ghost = Jesus….this is to obey the oneness of God. 3=1

                • Why do so many people make it harder than it has to be? G-D, our heavenly father gives his only son, who chooses to die on a cross to be our final sacrifice so that we are never separated from our heavenly father. The Holy Spirit, who infilled Jesus at his water baptism, who empowered Jesus to heal the sick and raise the dead ALSO RAISED Jesus from the dead! Now, wouldn’t that take 3 divine beings?! G-d being the AlPHA (the beginning) and the OMEGA (the end/final) I thought of this today….I pray to my heavenly Father…IN JESUS NAME and also PRAY as the HOLY SPIRIT gives utterances-a supernatural language-which was FIRST given at Pentecost and PROMISED by Jesus before He ascended into Heaven to sit at the right hand of G-D. Now I am understanding why Jesus said that unless we become like children we cannot inherit the kingdom of G-D. I never understood this and perhaps he meant something else, but what if Jesus was saying that we should over complicate the things of G-d? What if it is just so simple that if a child can understand it then it should be clear to everyone else. Childlike faith! Why take a piece of scripture and stretch it as far as you can so as to come up with a whole new religion/doctrine!? Just take G-D at HIS WORD! Keep it SIMPLE! :)

              • Man oh man, you are so judgmental Lyndsey, all I have been doing is trying to point out that you and I don’t walk down the same path and we don’t worship the same God and you condemn and judge me, you call me names and simply just are impossible to get along with.

                I simply need to ask then, WHAT can I call someone who doesn’t believe that God is NOT powerful and influential enough to have the book of Enoch in the bible if He wanted it in there?

                But hey, if you want to keep arguing with me by all means bring it on and I’ll even give you my e-mail address so we can try to preach our gospels to each other. Believe me, I have a LOT to say to you about your comments about your spirit talking to you, the paganism of christmas, the truth about your trinity, etc, etc, but I doubt you will heed anything I say.

                • I am not arguing…I THOUGHT I was clearly showing you where it says IN THE BIBLE/SCRIPTURES that the Holy Spirit is a separate person and that it is Jesus who baptizes those who ask with the Holy Spirit.

                  If your not adhering to the Holy Bible and some other book then Yes, our G-Ds’ are different. My G-D is the G-D of ISRAEL. The G-D of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! I believe that Jesus Christ is His only son and that Jesus died on a cross for my sins and rose again on the 3rd day-approximately 40 days later after he ascended into heaven Jesus sent “another helper” as he said he would to his disciples at Pentecost! The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit…Three persons in 1.

                  If this is NOT what you believe and you won’t adhere to what is clearly written by G-D in the Holy Scriptures then there is nothing to talk to about-you are the one arguing-I am showing you PROOF!

                  • Ok, so you are making a statement here that you serve the God of AIJ. Let’s see if you are. After all people told Jesus in John that they serve God and Jesus tried to explain to them that they didn’t even know God. Let’s start somewhere simple that you just mentioned. I wish to know your view on the 3 days in the grave. In your wisdom you glean from the bible what day did Jesus die, when was He buried and when was He resurrected?

                    • A person’s salvation does NOT depend upon knowing the day that Jesus died, only that HE DIED for our sins and was resurrected. To appease you, Jesus most likely died on Thursday and was raised from the dead on Sunday-the first day of the week. This is found in the scriptures.. On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb (Luke 24:1).

                      In order for Christ to be in the grave 3 days and 3 NIGHTS, Jesus would have died before sunset around 3pm and have risen before sunrise on the first day of the week so as to be “gone from the grave/stone removed” by the time the women arrived with their spices to annoint his body.

                      The scriptures also state that ““For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matt 12:40).

                      http://www.tbm.org/did_jesus_die_on_good_friday.htm

                    • Why are your replies so snarky? Why do you have such an attitude YELLING at me in your answers?

                      I’m trying to share something here that the majority of the world gets wrong because they believe He died on a Friday and rose on sunday. Actually, even you got it wrong. I’m surprised your hs never told you the answer. ;) He didnt die on a Thursday but on Wednesday and He was raised on Saturday just before sundown. But pretty close and you even quoted the proper scriptures that back it up. I’m impressed.

                      So maybe you can explain to me why you think the hs is an entity of its own? I asked Marianne by e-mail and the only answer she could give me was you cant grieve a power. I don’t understand how you can all think this when it was the hs that impregnated Mary, but yet the Father who is in Heaven is constantly called Jesus’s Father? If the hs is a unique person why isnt it called the Father because it was the one that impreginated Mary?

                      Thanks

        • I agree with you on this Nigel. Grew very fond of the Book of Enoch. I am now reading the book of Jasher. Also a wonderful read.

    • Humans are NEVER referred to as “sons of God” in the Old Testament, not even in Hosea 1:10. The book of Hosea is a pattern of God’s plan of redemption…Hosea represents Christ, and his harlot wife Gomer represents the Church.

      We only become “sons of God” through Christ and the sacrifice He made (John 1:12); in our naturalness, we are “sons of Adam,” as Paul describes in his letters. Whenever the Hebrew term “Bene HaElohim” (translated “sons of God”) is used in the Old Testament, it is ALWAYS referring to angelic beings (Job 38:4-7), as “Bene HaElohim” literally means “a direct creation of God.” In our naturalness, we are products of the natural functions God put in place for us to reproduce, and only Adam is called a “son of God” in Luke 3.

      Hosea is an interesting case, but even in this passage, you have to take it in context. It states WHERE IT IS SAID, ‘YOU ARE NOT HIS,’ IT WILL BE SAID, ‘YOU ARE THE SONS OF THE LIVING GOD.’

      It makes it clear that they are NOT sons of God, but they will one day BECOME sons of God, through the pattern of Hosea and Gomer looking to what Christ would do for the Church.

      The “sons of God” in Genesis 6 are obviously angelic beings, not humans.

      See my video-teaching below, “The Hidden History of Planet Earth and the Return of the Nephilim” for more information.

  2. Oh ya, plus I forgot to add, where do muslims get that divine don’t eat food? Its not in the bible so they can make up what ever they want, it doesn’t make their statement true.

  3. God himself ate and drank and rested when he visited Abraham..Genesis 18-4,5

  4. good post as always Marianne! I do have a question and I do remember where i got the answer, but Nigel brought up the book of Enoch…so here it goes: Are there female angels? ( I noticed the picture above is of a female angel-very pretty) When I read the book of Enoch, which does appear to be compatible with the scriptures, it picks up right where Genesis 6 cuts off-so it seems apparent, even as a child I noticed it, that someone took it upon themselves to leave the book out (after reading the book of Enoch you can see why because it would have been “shocking” to the earlier church) Anyway, in the book of Enoch, Enoch is the mediator between the fallen angels and G-D. The Fallen angels are pleading for forgiveness and asking Enoch to petition G-D on their behalf. In the middle of G-D issuing out their punishment for mating with the daughters of men, G-D pointed out to them that the reason why this is wrong is because if G-d wanted them to mate and procreate He would have made Wives for them-other female angels-and because HE DID NOT, this is why it was wrong for them to take wives for themselves and not only that but with a different RACE-HUMANS. Their punishment was watching their children die in front of them-heartbreaking-but this is what G-D chose to do to punish them in addition to chaining them with another angel guarding them until the end of days.

    Chapter 12

    1Before all these things Enoch was concealed; nor did any one of the sons of men know where he was concealed, where he had been, and what had happened.

    2He was wholly engaged with the holy ones, and with the Watchers in his days.

    3I, Enoch, was blessing the great Lord and King of peace.

    4And behold the Watchers called me Enoch the scribe.

    5Then the Lord said to me: Enoch, scribe of righteousness, go tell the Watchers of heaven, who have deserted the lofty sky, and their holy everlasting station, who have been polluted with women.

    6And have done as the sons of men do, by taking to themselves wives, and who have been greatly corrupted on the earth;

    7That on the earth they shall never obtain peace and remission of sin. For they shall not rejoice in their offspring; they shall behold the slaughter of their beloved; shall lament for the destruction of their sons; and shall petition for ever; but shall not obtain mercy and peace.
    http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm

    • Lyndsey

      Enoch seems totally compatible with scripture. But since it got left out of the bible, I am not sure what to say about it. I think it has a lot of information in it that makes sense.

      • Being raised baptist (don’t hate me LOL) I remember it was taboo to even speak about the possibility even of Angels mating with humans…and that was in the 20th century no less…so I can easily see where once the dead sea scrolls were discovered they would have felt that some would be “offended” by the very thought of this let alone it being put in writing so they decided it was in “our best interest” to hide this information.

        Doesn’t it say somewhere in the scriptures that in the last days what is hidden will be revealed?

    • Chapter 15

      1Then addressing me, He spoke and said, Hear, neither be afraid, O righteous Enoch, you scribe of righteousness: approach hither, and hear my voice. Go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent you to pray for them, You ought to pray for men, and not men for you.

      2Wherefore have you forsaken the lofty and holy heaven, which endures for ever, and have lain with women; have defile yourselves with the daughters of men; have taken to yourselves wives; have acted like the sons of the earth, and have begotten an impious offspring? (23)

      (23) An impious offspring. Literally, “giants” (Charles, p. 82; Knibb, p. 101).

      3You being spiritual, holy, and possessing a life which is eternal, have polluted yourselves with women; have begotten in carnal blood; have lusted in the blood of men; and have done as those who are flesh and blood do.

      4These however die and perish.

      5Therefore have I given to them wives, that they might cohabit with them; that sons might be born of them; and that this might be transacted upon earth.

      6But you from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever.

      7Therefore I MADE NOT WIVES FOR YOU, BECAUSE, BEING SPIRITUAL, YOUR DWELLING IS IN HEAVEN.

      8Now the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth. (24)

      (24) Note the many implications of vss. 3-8 regarding the progeny of evil spirits.

      9The spirits of the giants shall be like clouds, (25) which shall oppress, corrupt, fall, content, and bruise upon earth.
      (25) The Greek word for “clouds” here, nephelas, may disguise a more ancient reading, Napheleim (Nephilim).

      10They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty (So, evidently they USED TO EAT and G-D does not allow them to anymore…?); they shall be concealed, and shall not (26) rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they come forth during the days of slaughter and destruction.

      (26) Shall not. Nearly all manuscripts contain this negative, but Charles, Knibb, and others believe the “not” should be deleted so the phrase reads “shall rise up.”

    • If God didn’t want angels to procreate with females then God would have simply not given angels authority to create sperm in themselves.

      We have to remember that the bible clearly says that God is the creator of ALL living things, not angels. Isaiah 44:24, Colossians 1:16

      • Nigel,

        G-D created the ANGELS. Angels were created BEFORE we were!

        • Lyndsey, where did I leave the impression that I didn’t know angels were created before man? Personally I believe angels have been around for millions of earth years. But…. thats another whole topic. lol.

        • Hmm, allow me to elaborate on what I said earlier on Aug 29 6:44AM …… GOD is the creator of ALL THINGS. Angels are NOT creators of anything.

          I was NOT saying that God created all living things but since angels are not living God didn’t create them if anyone took it that way I’m sorry. It was late when I wrote that.

  5. Here are the names of the Angels that are called “the watchers”

    Chapter 20

    1These are the names of the angels who watch.

    2Uriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over clamor and terror.

    3Raphael, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of men.

    4Raguel, one of the holy angels, who inflicts punishment on the world and the luminaries.

    5Michael, one of the holy angels, who, presiding over human virtue, commands the nations.

    6Sarakiel, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of the children of men that transgress.

    7Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over Ikisat, (31) over paradise, and over the cherubim.

    (31) Ikisat. The serpents (Charles, p. 92; Knibb, p. 107).

  6. Enoch, Chapter 40…”5The second voice I heard blessing the Elect One, and the elect who suffer on account of the Lord of spirits.

    6The third voice I heard petitioning and praying for those who dwell upon earth, and supplicate the name of the Lord of spirits.

    7The fourth voice I heard expelling the impious angels, (40) and prohibiting them from entering into the presence of the Lord of spirits, to prefer accusations against (41) the inhabitants of the earth.
    (40) Impious angels. Literally, “the Satans” (Laurence, p. 45; Knibb, p. 128). Ha-satan in Hebrew (“the adversary”) was originally the title of an office, not the name of an angel.
    (41) Prefer accusations against. Or, “to accuse” (Charles, p. 119).

    8After this I besought the angel of peace, who proceeded with me, to explain all that was concealed. I said to him, Who are those whom I have seen on the four sides, and who words I have heard and written down? He replied, The first is the merciful, the patient, the holy Michael.

    9The second is he who presides over every suffering and every affliction of the sons of men, the holy Raphael. The third, who presides over all that is powerful, is Gabriel. And the fourth, who presides over repentance, and the hope of those who will inherit eternal life, is Phanuel. These are the four angels of the most high God, and their four voices, which at that time I heard.”

  7. The reason the book of Enoch was left out of the Cannon, was due to the powerful Angles, and the fear simple men would worship them.

    Muslims follow what Mohammad said. Mohammad lied, raped, and murdered. What do Muslims, with their hearts full of hate for Israel, and Infidels, know?

    • Your right leatherneck! Reading the book of Enoch just stirs something inside of me…I know it to be truth and I feel as if I have stumbled upon GOLD-the missing piece of the puzzle. I remember as a little girl asking my mom all these questions and here they are answered in Enoch! And I remember reading Genesis 6 and at verse 4, it stops and goes onto Noah building the Ark…if you read carefully, you can tell there was more to be said about the Nephilim, but they left it out! and ON PURPOSE! What other books are out there that we should know about-that may contain more information and missing pieces! That were part of the Dead Sea Scrolls but some guy decided it was “too much to handle”

  8. and in chapter 46…we have the Holy Spirit referred to as “Ancient of Days” and Jesus as “Son of Man” …and he accompanies the Ancient of Days….WOW! Enoch sees Jesus, the Son of G-D and describes Him AND The Holy Spirit in Chapter 46….why in the world would they leave this out!

    Chapter 46

    1There I beheld the Ancient of days, whose head was like white wool, and with him another, whose countenance resembled that of man. His countenance was full of grace, like that of one of the holy angels. Then I inquired of one of the angels, who went with me, and who showed me every secret thing, concerning this Son of man; who he was; whence he was and why he accompanied the Ancient of days.

    2He answered and said to me, This is the Son of man, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; and who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness.

    3This Son of man, whom you behold, shall raise up kings and the mighty from their dwelling places, and the powerful from their thrones; shall loosen the bridles of the powerful, and break in pieces the teeth of sinners.

    4He shall hurl kings from their thrones and their dominions; because they will not exalt and praise him, nor humble themselves before him, by whom their kingdoms were granted to them. The countenance likewise of the mighty shall He cast down, filling them with confusion. Darkness shall be their habitation, and worms shall be their bed; nor from that their bed shall they hope to be again raised, because they exalted not the name of the Lord of spirits.

    5They shall condemn the stars of heaven, shall lift up their hands against the Most High, shall tread upon and inhabit the earth, exhibiting all their acts of iniquity, even their works of iniquity. Their strength shall be in their riches, and their faith in the gods whom they have formed with their own hands. They shall deny the name of the Lord of spirits, and shall expel him from the temples, in which they assemble;

    6And with him the faithful, (43) who suffer in the name of the Lord of spirits.

    (43) Shall expel him…the faithful. Or, “will be driven from the houses of his congregation, and of the faithful” (Knibb, p. 132; cp. Charles, p. 131).

    • Just…WOW-look at Chapter 48…
      .
      2 IN THAT HOUR was this Son of man invoked before the Lord of spirits, and his name in the presence of the Ancient of days.

      3Before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of heaven were formed, HIS NAME WAS INVOKED in the presence of the Lord of spirits. A SUPPORT SHALL HE BE for the righteous and the holy to lean upon, without falling; and HE SHALL BE THE LIGHT OF NATIONS.

      4HE SHALL BE THE HOPE of those whose hearts are troubled. All, who dwell on earth, shall fall down and worship before him; shall bless and glorify him, and sing praises to the name of the Lord of spirits.

      5Therefore the Elect and the Concealed One EXISTED IN HIS PRESENCE, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS CREATED, and for ever.

      • Are we the elect? that existed in his presence before the World was created…am I understanding this correctly…and is Jesus the Concealed One?

    • I have always wanted to know what the Holy Spirit looks like….and here Enoch has SEEN HIM and He has hair as white as wool!!!!

      • hi lyndsey

        I always thought the Father was the Ancient of Days, not the Holy Spirit, but it has been awhile since I read that book.

        I might guess that the concealed one might be Jesus, it also describes him as the Son of Man, and then describes him, which is NOT concealing him,

        An interesting task might be to go back and identify which title(s) is(are) given to the Father, Son, and holy spirit, in the book of Enoch.

        • yes…I used to think the Ancient of Days was G-D but then I thought, well who is the Lord of Spirits? I think because the Lord of Spirits is surrounded with fire-this would be G-D.

  9. Sorry to have consumed your site this evening…but this has opened up a whole new world in regards to Angels, their names, their jobs, and the Book of Enoch who saw all of these things! Has anyone ever seen an angel!?

  10. WOW!!!!

    As I said earlier, if you BELIEVE in the book of Enoch I expect EXACTLY what has just been said.

    GOD is NOT the author of confusion. (1 Cor 14:33) and Enoch is a bunch of lies mixed in with some truth. Satan loves people who go off on these paths that lead nowhere but arguments and dissension.

    The whole conversation about if there was angels that had kids is irrelevant to Gods ultimate plan for us but if you care to waste your time discussing it I wish you all the best. We will never know all the facts until Christ returns.

    • Hi Nigel

      1. The Muslim was using his “logic” to debate about the divine not eating.

      2. in glorified form, I would not expect the angels to eat or mate. There is no need in heaven to do this. However, when they take on physical form, it appears they have what it takes to do both.

      3. The interpretation that the sons of God are fallen angels comes from the rest of the chapter. It is not forbidden for humans to mate humans. Human mating does not routinely produce giants. The fact that God was angry about it infers there is something wrong with this match of men and women.

      4. I was going to ask why you think Enoch has mistakes. I see one objection about the blood crying out. I think that is consistent with scripture, and does not oppose it. It agrees with Genesis account, and the cry against the SEED of Cain makes sense too, since it is Cain, and the seed of Cain, that is murderous.

      5. What source have you looked at that discredited the Book Of Enoch?

      • Hi again Marianne, Ok thanks for the insight into the muslims comments. So then what I say validates my point. If he is using his “logic” then it does not hold water.

        1. Man cannot use his logic on how God works. He has no authority to tell God that because He is divine He cannot eat food would you not agree with this? Psalms 92:5,6 Proverbs 1:7 plus somewhere in the bible it says Gods ways are not our ways.. Isaiah 55:8,9 …….. found it.

        2. I sincerely believe that God did not ever give angels the ability to reproduce……. even when we die and WE are in the Kingdom we wont have the ability to reproduce because we will be neither male nor female. As Jesus Himself put it, “do you not know the scriptures nor the power of God” more than once He told us this….. Matthew 22:23-33 Mark 12:18-27 Luke 20:27-40

        3. So basically you are saying then that the whole Philistine race was descendants from fallen angels? What about all the really tall people today? Where did they come from? Adam and Eve were the first perfect humans physically. Their genetic makeup could have easily produced giants just the same way as all the human races also came from them.

        4. You say you “think” Enoch does not oppose scripture but don’t say how you come up with this statement? And basically you are saying that if your dad is a murderer then so will all his children become murderers? What about this idea that Cain had NO IDEA that his brother would have died? After all how was he to know he would have not gotten back up after he hit him? Did he have an example of human death before this?

        5. My source that discredits the book of Enoch is the bible itself. To me the book of Enoch completely contradicts the bible and gets its validity from HALF truths. You tell enough half truths and throw in a bunch of lies its easier to believe the lies. I also believe that God is smart enough to influence people who canonized the bible to put in what He wanted and didn’t want in there. Do you not think that God is capable of such things? God is in charge, not man who canonized the bible.

        Out of curiosity, have you read what else is not in the bible like the book of Adam and Eve, etc, etc?

        • Nigel

          1. I agree

          2. God did not provide for glorified bodies to reproduce. That is correct. You are not understanding me. It is when the angels take on human form – then they have an earthly body that can reproduce. Remember Satan in the garden? He took the form of a snake. Snakes reproduce.

          3. yes about the philistines. There is a difference between a genetic abnormality which causes a hormone imbalance producing a rare tall person, and an entire race of giants, where they were ALL tall. Hybrids of 2 species generate offspring larger than the parents.

          4. Cain murdered his brother, he did not just hit him. He knew what he did and he went and hid. THe seed of Cain had the murderous spirit that Cain had. That is why he was banished from the rest of the family.

          5. What source are you using to discredit the book of Enoch?

          • 1. Ok, thank you :)

            2. You are assuming that when an angel takes on a human form they have a fully functioning anatomy. The truth is, we don’t know if they do or not. It’s really not important if they do or not either. As for the snake comment of reproducing, what does that have to do with the topic? Just because snakes reproduce, that is a red herring, it doesn’t say satan as a snake mated with all the other snakes, I don’t get why this is even relevant? It does say the the snake was now cursed to its belly, so what was a snake before it was a slitherer? I think snakes had wings, but thats another topic. lol.

            3. We have different views on what came from Adam and Eve then.

            4. We are not in Cains body, we have no idea what he thought, only God does. Why didn’t God just allow Cain to be wiped out then? Why did He protect him from being killed by others?

            5. As I said, the source I quote is the bible, Enoch contradicts the bible but if you want other sources I JUST googled “enoch fraud” and found this one…..it looks pretty good.

            http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/book_of_enoch.htm

            and sooooo many more on google too. :)

            • Please show us where and how Enoch contradicts the Bible? Have you even READ the book of Enoch?

              • yes Lyndsey I read Enoch. I’m the one that brought it up remember??? As I said earlier google “encoh fraud” or just start here. A lot of good points are here that even I never caught in the enoch text.

                http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/book_of_enoch.htm

                • According to this link, the book of Enoch was found in one of the caves of Qumran along with the book of jubilees…book or ISAIAH…War scrolls etc…

                  http://www.crystalinks.com/dss.html

                  • I thought it was interesting that the Dead Sea Scrolls were all found in the caves of Qumran in 1947/48-the same year that Israel became a nation!

                    And if the book of Enoch was found in the same caves/alongside the books of Isaiah etc….then who are we to say it doesn’t belong in the Bible!

                    • Yes. God does things in patterns, doesn’t he?

                    • Here is some things I learned about the dead sea scrolls. Do you all agree with me that they were made after Christ was here? The book of Enoch is believed to have been written:

                      “Probable date of writing was between 150-80 B.C. Copies of the Book of Enoch have been found among the Dead Sea scrolls. If this date is accurate, obviously the Book of Enoch was not written by the real Enoch who lived before the flood.”

                      Plus, ask yourself this….. why did Jesus never talk about anything the book of Enoch mentions?

    • Nigel,

      Go back and Read Genesis 6 and then when you get to verse 4 look and see if you see anything strange…such as the information regarding the Nephilim “just being left off” as it goes into verse 5 and on which goes into the flood.

      Why do you think there was a flood? Read what G-d says about Noah and his bloodline…..then ask yourself, WHY was there a flood..?
      Ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand…to show it to you…

      • Yes, I agree, there is a TON of stuff we are missing. (John 21:25)

        But, the bible is all we need. As I said, the book of Enoch is full of half truths and to a firstfruit its painfully obvious but to the world who’s not being called by God at this time it makes complete sense to them because it fills in holes you think you see.

        All I can say is you enjoy your book of Enoch if it brings you comfort from its answers but to me I see what God is trying to accomplish through His instruction book today. God is in control and the book of Enoch is not in the bible for a reason.

        • Nigel said:but to the world who’s not being called by God at this time it makes complete sense to them because it fills in holes you think you see.

          Nigel,

          I am a child of the most High G-D of Israel and how dare you “judge” otherwise! I am also a spirit filled Christian-having received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the one who leads me into ALL TRUTH….NOT YOU and not the baptist preacher down the street!

          Now I am getting ready to hear you say “what is the baptism of the HOly Spirit” or “that was for the apostles only” because it is obvious you are making your “judgements” based upon CARNAL knowledge and NOT from the Holy Spirit and His convictions; HIS guidance!

          so before you start making your judgements over who or who isn’t called of G-D, you better have all your facts!

          • Wow, Lyndsey, I’m not judging you. I’m looking at your fruits and questioning them. Thats all. So lets analyze if you really are a follower of God as you claim.

            1. Do you observe all His commandments?
            2. Do you go to church on the seventh day of the week which is one of them?
            3. Do you observe His Holy days?
            4. Do you love your enemy?
            5. Do you follow the hard to find narrow path God tells us to follow or are you on the broad and wide path that leads to destruction?
            6. Were you baptized like Jesus set an example for us to do with water?
            7. Does the world hate you cause you tell them their ways are bad?
            8. Do you believe the Holy Spirit is an entity of its own unique self like Jesus and God the Father? IE a false trinity???

            Lets just leave it there for now. :)

            • nigel

              I think you are sneaking a doctrinal dispute in with other issues, which are confirmed.

              #8 would need discussion as to how you interpret the Father, Son, and holy spirit, and their relationship to each other.

              • Ya sorry about that. Lyndsay brought up point #8 when she she said:

                “from the Holy Spirit and His convictions; HIS guidance!”

                I was only trying to prove a point that she does not follow the same Jesus that I do. No insult or intention of another debate is intended from me.

                • Oh yes I do Nigel! Jesus is the one that GIVES THE HOLY SPIRIT!

                  Luke 24:49“And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven.”

                  I have to run out for an hour-when I return, i will be more than happy to LIST ALL THE SCRIPTURES pertaining to the Holy Spirit and how Jesus is the one who gives the Holy Spirit and is the one who promised the Holy Spirit. You have to go through JESUS to receive the HOLY SPIRIT!

            • answering Nigels’ questions:

              1. Do you observe all His commandments? Actually, there are about 613 commandments, this is why we are now under GRACE and NOT under the LAW. It is not humanly possible to obey the commandments because as Jesus pointed out in the New Testament, to even have a thought of killing someone means you have killed them, even tho you never physically did it. This is why Jesus had to come and give His life for us-so that THROUGH HIM we would be SAVED! No longer under the LAW-BUT UNDER GRACE.

              2. Do you go to church on the seventh day of the week which is one of them?

              *The Sabbath is on Friday Eve at Sunset until Saturday Eve at Sunset-I just started observing the Sabbath under the conviction of the HOLY SPIRIT. As a child I was at church every Wednesday and Sunday. I also know of people who attend church on Sunday and after the service they are back to their old ways-mean and deceitful. As for attending a “church”…I prefer a Messianic Synagogue but I am unable, as G-D knows and understands due to having a special needs son and a caring for my special needs sister-her caregiver leaves at 7:30pm on Friday eve-the service starts at 7:30pm. I worship Him EVERY DAY and have realized I don’t need a “social club” to go to in order to get closer to HIM and KNOW HIM.

              3. Do you observe His Holy days?

              As of Feb 2010 Glad you asked this-it was the HOLY SPIRIT who told me to learn them back in February 2010-He has has shown me thru observing them-more specifically, Unleavened Bread, that He was showing me that I could not do this without HIM-I didn’t know what He meant until learning that the whole reason for cleaning your house of YEAST is that the YEAST represents SIN-and there is NO humanly way possible to be clean of it all so that is WHY we needed JESUS! We can’t do it without HIM!

              4. Do you love your enemy? I am able to LOVE them ONLY THRU the HOLY SPIRIT. If I relied upon my own ability/flesh/carnal and human nature I would probably strangle most of them…Ha! LOL

              5. Do you follow the hard to find narrow path God tells us to follow or are you on the broad and wide path that leads to destruction?

              *Definitely the Narrow path because it is the most difficult and challenging-the closer I get to G-D the more I see other so called friends/Christians falling away. This does hurt-at first I didn’t understand, but if I had to choose G-D over the friendship-I would choose G-D in a heartbeat! In fact, the Holy Spirit reminded me on one occasion that “they hated Jesus first”

              6. Were you baptized like Jesus set an example for us to do with water?

              *I was baptized twice-once at age 6 and again at age 21.This is referred to as the Baptism of Repentance as was done by John the Baptist, Jesus’ cousin. Soon after, in 1988 I received the second baptism-the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in a supernatural language as found in the book of Acts, Romans, Corinthians and Matthew-where Jesus promises the Holy Spirit. And of which John the baptist spoke of as well…John said “I baptize you with water, but there is one that comes after me who will baptize you in the Holy Spirit”..It is Jesus who has the authority to give the Holy Spirit to those who ask-I asked and Jesus gave Him-the Holy Spirit-and I have never been the same since.

              7. Does the world hate you cause you tell them their ways are bad?

              *Yes they do! I have always hesitated to make a “judgement” until the Holy Spirit helped me understand that we as Christians do have that authority, but only if we adhere to the scriptures and we have to do this in LOVE. If someone claims to be a christian and consistently voices many racist remarks, am I wrong or right to keep my mouth shut? Or should I in LOVE remind them that Jesus commanded us to love our neighbor-to hate our neighbor and to say we Love G-d is a contradiction.

              8. Do you believe the Holy Spirit is an entity of its own unique self like Jesus and God the Father? IE a false trinity???

              * There is no such thing as a false trinity. It is G-D the Father, G-D the Son and G-D the Holy Spirit. Jesus explained this in Matthew by saying that when you see him/Jesus you are also seeing the Father. Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Him-then before Jesus descended, he reminded his disciples to stay where they were so that they would receive the Holy Spirit who would lead us into ALL TRUTH and bring to our remembrance all of the scriptures and that the Holy Spirit only speaks that which He hears from the Father/G-d.

              Now, answer this question for me Nigel, Have you heard of and/or received the second baptism? The baptism of the Holy Spirit? If you have not, I would encourage you to read about this awesome and precious gift promised by Jesus!

              • A nice thought out reply, thanks for that Lyndsey, its nice to read some people are diligently trying to seek God.

                1. I only asked about Gods 10 commandments, its very interesting how people always assume I am talking about Mosaic law. As for grace, yes we are under grace but by no means has the law been done away with (Matthew 5:18 John 14:15,21 15:10) and as a side note its not the thought of killing someone in your heart thats like killing them its if you hate someone its like murdering them. 1 John 3:15

                2. Yes, congrats, that is correct. I’m happy to see you are on the right path. I didn’t need all your personal details though. Why are you telling us all this?

                3. I have been keeping the Holy Days my whole life, Happy upcoming Feast of Trumpets to you. :)

                4. Nice answer

                5. How does this Holy spirit of yours show you things?

                6. Are you saying when you were baptized in water you could speak in tongues? Who in the room could understand you and translate what you said? And what did you say? I’m curious about this. :)

                7. Hmm, it seems like you hate me. I may be wrong but thats how you are coming across to me. I even asked a friend to read this website and he even said, wow you sure pissed her off.

                8. Any bible I ever read does not say God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. You better read Matthew 28:19 again and stop adding words to the bible because of Deut 4:2, 12:32, and of course Rev 22:18 The Holy spirit is simply the power of God, it is not an entity to be prayed to or talked to thus the trinity is false doctrine, but thats another topic. You talk to the Father through the authority of Jesus the Christ, not through the Holy spirit, yes, you should have the holy spirit within you but thats it.

                Now to answer your question, I had the blessing of little children performed on me when I was a toddler and yes, I was finally ready to give my life to God fully 4 yrs ago when I was 38 and got full water immersed baptized and then my minister performed the laying on of hands. I never experienced anything like you did though. And I have no idea what you refer to when you say the second baptism.

                • 2: I mentioned this because I believe that a lot of people get “judged” for not going to “church” when they honestly do not know the entire situation that a person may be in. My point was that G-D knows each persons’ situation and that you don’t have to be inside a “church” to be with G-D or worship Him-this can be done anywhere.

                  5: The Holy Spirit comes upon those who ask for Him and it is through Jesus that you ask. This is mentioned throughout the New Testament starting with Matthew and more specifically mentioned in Acts, Romans and Corinthians-this could actually be a whole new post altogether, but more than happy to show those scriptures. And the HS isn’t “the Holy Spirit of mine”…LOL He is there for everyone-I get overzealous when talking about Him because I truly believe, as Jesus also explained, that we will NEED HIM in these last days. As far as the HS showing me things-He brings to my remembrance the scriptures and since 2002, has spoken audibly to me on several occasions and what He has spoken to me was proven accurate each time. Once there was a warning about a certain person-they ended up getting arrested and sent to prison approx 8 mths later-the person was truly a danger and threat to me and my family. I would have never known this info about this person if it had not been for the Holy Spirit.

                  6: Baptism in water is of and for repentance. Baptism in the Holy Spirit is for service-to empower us for service. That is my understanding. The evidence is the ability to speak in a supernatural language which comes from the Holy Spirit being inside you. My personal experience is that it is a prayer language between me and G-D. There is not interpretation needed since it is a prayer language NOT the Gift of Tongues which is moreso prophecy which i have never experienced-you would need an interpreter and if G-D is the one speaking thru you He will most assuredly provide that interpreter. This is explained in Corinthians 13 and 14.

                  7: Have no idea where you got that impression from. I was giving an example only. I wasn’t calling you a racist-I was using this as an example.

                  8:It is hard to explain that someone is “separate” yet “together”. The Holy Spirit is a person all on His own YET He is G-D. He is part of the 3 person “oneness”. You have G-D, who has a SON and the Son is IN G-D and then you have the Holy Spirit who is just that HOLY SPIRIT-From G-D-He speaks what He hears FROM G-D; Leads us into all Truth; Brings to our remembrance the WORD OF G-D (who is Jesus and the scriptures) and empowers us by designating certain/various gifts at His choosing. This is all found within the book of Acts and Corinthians.

                  Here is a site I came across, I haven’t read it in its entirety but thus far it explains the Baptism correctly and the reasons for the baptism in the Holy Spirit and where it is referenced in the scriptures….
                  http://www.christian-faith.com/forjesus/baptism-in-the-Holy-Spirit

                  • “The main purpose of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit in this life then is to give us more power to demonstrate Christ and win people to Him, so that they can be saved. (Acts 1:8). All other things being equal, the believer baptised in the Spirit will have more success in preaching the gospel, because the Holy Spirit is freer to work through him. The Holy Spirit has many ways to convince people. The Holy Spirit gives us power to heal the sick and cast out demons (Mark 16:17,18) so that people can see and know that Jesus is alive and that his salvation is real and makes a difference. It is much easier to lead people to Christ after they have been healed through Christ’s power by the laying on of hands of the Spirit-filled believer, for example. With the Holy Spirit working through many believers, there are actually greater possibilities for the effective proclamation of the gospel of the Kingdom that there were in the days of Jesus’ earthly ministry. The Baptism in the Spirit therefore is an essential ingredient in the plan of God to multiply Jesus’ earthly ministry of preaching, healing and casting out demons so that He can touch the whole world with its billions of people. ”
                    http://www.christian-faith.com/forjesus/baptism-in-the-Holy-Spirit

                  • Yes, and I have this website that completley explains the opposite on why the HS is not a part of any trinity thats been made up from the bible.

                    http://www.gnmagazine.org/booklets/WG/isgodatrinity.htm

                    • Nigel,

                      So,You have a “website” versus what the Scripture clearly say….hmmmm, that is interesting. I am not going to argue with you-and there is no more debate because your using secular sources to support YOUR IDEAS. If your going to support your ideas which you “claim” are from scripture, then use SCRIPTURE.

                    • In fact, you haven’t shown any scripture thus far to support your ideas.

                    • ????? So let me get this straight, you can quote websites to support your theory but I cant quote websites to support mine? Wow, seems unfair just like you have been unfair to me this whole topic. If you bothered to read the link I gave you IT supports its ideas with scripture as well!!! As for your comment about me not using any scripture to support my ideas you really need to go back and read this whole topic again like I just did.

                      I will say it once again Lyndsay…… YOU AND I follow two different Jesus’s. And yet you even argued with me on that topic.

                      I hope everyone had a memorable Day of Atonement, the feast of Tabernacles and Last Great day. I can’t wait until Christ finally returns.

                  • In your point #5 it bothers me a bit and I’m worried for your safety and I’ll tell you why.

                    Firstly the reference to anyone who asks for the holy spirit is part #2. The first part you keep forgetting about is God tells us that unless the Father calls you first you will not find Him. So if God hasnt called you and opened your mind to the truth you will think you have the spirit but you dont. Sorry to tell you that but its a fact.

                    Secondly, if you have been audibly talking to the hs that confirms (to me) that you indeed dont have the hs but actually a demon messing with you. Ever since Jesus went back to heaven He has called His flock and they follw Him though FAITH and faith alone. How can you have faith in something when it physically reveals itself to you by either sight or sound? This is what I think is happening to you, satan is smart, he is wayyyy smarter than any human and they can mess with us if we let them. If you believe that the hs talks to you they can use that against you. I personally believe that the demons tag teamed you, they played good cop bad cop with you and one ratted on the other so you would trust the one that told you this information. Boom they are in your good books and you are convinced its the hs.

                    I truly wish to warn you to be very careful around spirits like this.

                    • I assure you I am not in any danger. I am actually sealed for the day of redemption.

                      First, when I asked for the Holy Spirit, my knowledge to do this came from the scriptures I gave you and most importantly, I asked Jesus Christ-no one else.

                      Second, after receiving the baptism, which for me was in private, I had an overwhelming love for Jesus Christ and wanted to know Him more.

                      This is the short version. So my point is this: Satan does NOT want us to fall in love with Jesus. And if someone is praying to Jesus, I have enough confidence in HIM to know that He would not allow interference from another source.

                      Luke 11:9“So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

                      11“Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

                      *The Holy Spirit brought to my remembrance the above scripture to post. This is who HE is-He leads us into all Truth and brings to our remembrance the scriptures.

                      John 14:26
                      26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you

                    • Hi again Lyndsey, I just wanted to say this before I take off for work on another double shift today and thats that I understand what you mean. You feel like you have a sense of security in your relationship. Thats what relationships do whether they are real or not, as long as its real to you then you are ok with it.

                      Satan does want you to fall in love with “anything” as long as its not the “real” Jesus. Remember the bible tells the the whole world is deceived and people worship God with their mouths but their hearts are far from Him.

                      And John 6:44 14:6 clearly shows us that God “has” to “call” us first before we can find Him. Thats what Jesus is talking about when He says “anyone” who comes to me….. if you are coming to Jesus its because the Father called you first.

                      This is why I have been so forward with you, I was trying to “show” you that you don’t know the real Jesus. Enoch is not the inspired words from God and anyone who believes in them is being deceived. I hope you can see that one day just like you are probably saying that hopefully I can see that enoch is inspired.

                      Two people who cannot agree with each other cannot walk down the same road together. I really so wish you peace and I hope all turns out well for you.

                • “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by MY SPIRIT, SAYS THE LORD ALMIGHTY. Zechariah 4:6

                  • What are you trying to say here Lyndsey? Gods HS is not power?

                    • That is not what the scripture says….it says “by MY SPIRIT, says the Lord Almighty.” The Holy Spirit is G-D’s SPIRIT. When Jesus promised the Holy Spirit to the apostles, he was telling them that he-Jesus-would send to them the Holy Spirit to empower them-the Holy Spirit IS G-D’s Spirit!

                      Acts 1:4-5 (New International Version)

                      Acts 1:4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

                    • Hmm, weird, I can’t reply to the post below?? anyway, hopefully you will see this Lyndsey. Why are you so defensive? All I asked was a question on why you posted a scripture and then I made a guess to WHAT you thought. You never explained it AT ALL.

          • amen, I have been reading this conversation between Nigel and you, but I complete agreed with you. There are too mystery to complete to understand. Only God can send Holy Spirit to teach you to understand clearly that carnal fail to understand. Nigel have forgot that Lucifer was a created by Our God. That is absolved the verses that he walked up and down stair from earth to heaven among the sons of God means angels. May God bless you,

  11. THIS WAS SENT TO ME BY EMAIL:

    dear Marianne

    interesting topic indeed! sadly, i cannot go online to browse your article but i can add some comments.


    1. God says that He has known us from before creation. I do get the idea that, as we are spirit firstly, we may also have been in existence indefinitely. The same would go for other heavenly creatures.


    2. While on earth as humans, we have no authority over angels. Many mystical Christians err in “sending” their angels. Only God can do that and we pray ti Him, not the angels.

    3. Spirits have sex with women. In South Africa, many black women, more so in rural areas, are aware of the “tokkelossie” or Tikoloshe that would rape them, some become pregnant. Christians in deliverance ministry can attest to that.

    4. I have seen angels, were spoken to by them between 1986 – 1993. They are 9ft tall. They levitated me up to their eye level to make eye contact when we spoke. It has not happened since.

    5. I have seen demons. 9ft tall. Three were similar to those on the cover of Iron Maiden’s album Number of the Beast. My body was frozen stiff, my mind racing, my spirit calm. (my natural discovery that in also a trinity, teaching on that came a decade later.) They, like other aliens, read our minds. When i THOUGHT of Jesus, they hastily departed! That was a meaningful discovery.

    6. Angels eat – I recommend anyone to read Charles & Frances Hunter’s book Angels on Assignment, the true life story of Pastor Roeland Buck. Lots was being said about angels and Buck’s visits to heaven and angels visiting him at home. The most important message in that book is how forgiveness and salvation fits together. Understanding the Lego blocks always helps.In the book even Buck gets to eat “angel bread.”

    7. Christians speaking in tongues thinking that demons can’t understand the language, are in for a surprise. Experience over decades has proven this wrong, we also learned that relatives whom had died, came to “greet” on their way out. They would linger until they were correctly identified by one of those present, then they would become at ease and depart. Not a single word uttered. I have experienced this twice myself, when my dad’s youngest brother died, as well as with the departure of my father-in-law.

    Pieter

    END OF EMAIL CONTENT

  12. The Tokoloshe is stated to be “a cross between a zombie, poltergeist, and a gremlin” that “lives in South Africa.” It goes on to say Tokoloshes are “created from dead bodies by shamans…if the shaman has been offended by someone.” According to the book, the creatures are “only the size of small children… [but] can create terrible destruction,” and “only the person who is cursed will be able to see the tokoloshe.” In addition, the book says the tokoloshe may also choose to wander, causing mischief, particularly to schoolchildren. Other details include its gremlin-like appearance; a skull hole created “by a red hot metal rod…heat plays a vital role in Zulu magic;” and gouged out eyes


    The Tokoloshe is popularly believed to be short, ugly, pot bellied and have arms so long that his knuckles drag on the ground as he walks and a penis so large, he needs to carry it slung over his shoulder. He is also believed to lack thumbs and the reason for the ‘African handshake’ is said to be because of the belief that if someone can capture a Tokoloshe, he will have lifelong health, wealth and happiness. The handshake therefore, is to check if the person being greeted has thumbs.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikoloshe

    • It amazes me how people would so easily believe this rather then believe that Jesus is the Son of G-D!

      Your “crazy” to believe in Jesus and G-D but your “sane” to believe in a little midget who walks around with his “jewels” hung over his shoulder……laughing so hard….

  13. Iron Maiden’s album Number of the Beast.

    What Pieter saw:

    http://www.rockheaven.co.uk/photos/album%20pictures/iron_maiden_-_the_number_of_the_beast.jpg


    -

  14. Agree not to disagree.But someone and something here is very wrong because Angels have no gender for it is not necessary for them to pro create .So you see there must be misinterpretation here as far as female Angels goes .There is no place or book on earth that can in truth mention female Angels.Angels are masculine and not femenine .

    • The names Gabriel, Michael and Raphael are male names….just a thought

    • The only “angels” that humanity is aware of are not “angels” they are archangels. Archangels are created beings and appear to be male. They are the soldiers of heaven. Being created they do not procreate. As soldiers, they are powerful beings, but they are only the loyal servants of both God and His angels.

      Angels are the citizens of heaven and are both male and female.

  15. wow i didnt know that.am sooooooo glad u opened my eyes to this en thanks alot,

  16. Nigel

    My impression of the dead sea scrolls is that these manuscripts generally date between 150 BCE and 70 CE.

    Now, what we have to look at is this:

    Scribes over the centuries would copy from one to another, as scrolls got old and started to fall apart.

    The scrolls At Qumran may have been transcribed copies of the originals, which means the copies were dated, because the original ones had fallen apart.

    So this does not give us the age of the original copy, which may have been transcribed over 50-100 times by then.

    this would especially include the old testament books, and maybe less the new testament books, since the new testament books would have been “current” at the time, and not worn out yet.

    Why didn’t Jesus mention the book of Enoch? I don’t know.

    Maybe Enoch was not relevant to what he was preaching.

    Jesus also did not mention Zephaniah, Nahum, Micah, Ezekiel, Obadiah, etc.

    • The one direct quote in the New Testament is found in Jude

      Jude 1:14-15, quoting Enoch 1:9 {2:1} [1]

      Jude 1:14Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

    • Ok, for one thing the book of Enoch is one big book over 100 chapters and not one quote is used from it in the entire new testament??? Coincidence?? I dont think so.

      The Book of the Watchers (1 Enoch 1 – 36)
      The Book of Parables of Enoch (1 Enoch 37 – 71) (Also called the Similitudes of Enoch)
      The Astronomical Book (1 Enoch 72 – 82) (Also called the Book of the Heavenly Luminaries or Book of Luminaries. )
      The Book of Dream Visions (1 Enoch 83 – 90) (Also called the Book of Dreams)
      The Epistle of Enoch (1 Enoch 91 – 108)

      It talks about how Jesus was named in the presense of angels Enoch 48:1-3 Really? wow!!

      It talks about an angel of repentance? Enoch 40:9

      CUT______
      The strongest argument in favor of the Book of Enoch is found in Jude 1:14, “And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.” Since this quote is NOT found in the Old Testament, some scholars have used this fact in an attempt to legitimize the entire Book of Enoch. We read in chapter 1:9 of the Book of Enoch…

      And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgment upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

      However, there is no Biblical record of a “Book of Enoch.” There is NO doubt that Enoch made these statements as Jude 1:14 confirms; but that doesn’t necessarily mean that he authored the entire Book of Enoch (or ANY of it for that matter).
      END CUT___________

      The book of enoch has NO doctrinal food in it anywhere, it is a made up story.

      Have you guys even read this link I gave you??

      http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/book_of_enoch.htm

      Another great point it brings up is where are the fossils of the 450 ft giants that lived??? Enoch 7:12-15 There are no 450ft Philistine giants that the bible talks about Marianne.

      • Nigel,
        How do you explain this?

        • I’ll have to look at this at home. I’m at work on my break and all I see is a white box??

          • It is a you tube video of the archaeological finds of giants with some actually put in various museums and some still being “dug up”/uncovered and found within their graves. These “guys” were HUGE!

            It is 1am my time, need to go to bed. Have a good nite.

        • Ya, wow thats really neat stuff, lets just assume that they are real for a minute. They still are not 450 ft tall. They are maybe 60-70 ft tall max??

          The bible records giants, but enoch records gggiiiiiaaaannnnnnttttttssssss.

          Do you know where these skeletons are? I would love to know where these skeletons are being displayed and the scientific evidence to prove they were human and not plaster.

          • I think if you googled you could find where they are being kept/on display. As far as their authenticity-it is my understanding that for them to be displayed within a museum, they would be tested for being real or non-real and this would be noted on their title of display. Some of them were still in the ground and appeared authentic with all the taping around them. The skulls are interesting in that they have different shapes. A man named Pieter, who posted on here, is a Missionary? in South Africa and he describes in his post, upon seeing Angels AND demons that they are 9 feet tall. It appears that these giants in the video are taller than even that. My thoughts are that if these giants were this tall, over 10 feet, then this would definitely explain how the pyramids were built with those large heavy boulders placed on top of one another. It would have come easier for them to lift and move as opposed to someone our size of 6 feet in height or below.

            • this is what i found….and it was mentioned that they may have been sent to the smithsonian.

              “Make of this information as you will. Were there Giants? Who knows, but if you believe in the bible, they’re mentioned. If you believe in ship logs and the accuracy of public records, they’re mentioned. If you believe in fossils and discoveries. Again, they’re mentioned. Are they all lies and fables and tales? I have no idea and to be honest, it’s one of those things that if proved to be true would turn a lot of theories about mankind upside down. “http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=94771&st=195

      • Nigel

        So I am looking at this site you gave…..It will take some time to go over all of it

        but it says here:

        The Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. What blasphemy! That statement in itself contradicts everything the Word of God teaches. We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel..

        Was the Son of Man named? When was Jesus named in Heaven? This is an attack on the deity of Jesus.

        That is an interesting passage, and it sounds like a passage from Zechariah.

        The angel of the Lord appeared before Joshua and removed his iniquity:

        Zec 3:1 ¶ And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

        Zec 3:3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

        Zec 3:4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

        Only Jesus can do that. So Jesus must be the angel of the Lord. If so, what is his name? Maybe it is Phanuel?

        Interestingly, the name Phanuel means the face of God. Jesus always said, if you see me, you see the Father. So this would make sense. Phanuel was the father of the prophetess Anna.

        The site also said:

        Jesus is Eternal, without beginning or end. Head of Days? Lord of Spirits? These terms are NOT found in the Bible.

        The term Lord of Hosts is used in the bible, and the hosts happen to be spirits (angels).

        The Term HEad of days means the same as Ancient of Days, who is mentioned in Daniel

        Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire.

        So, just looking at these 2 points, this makes the book of Enoch more believable.

  17. Nigel,

    Matthew 9:37 The Harvest is plentiful but the laborers are few (reason for the Holy Spirit-He helps empower the few laborers)

    “THE PROMISE IS FOR YOU

    In Acts 2:39 Peter says “For the promise is for you and your children,and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God shall call to Himself.”

    We may be far off from the day of Pentecost but the promise is for us if God has called us to Himself.

    What is “the promise”? It is the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

    “And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.” (Luke 24:49). See also Acts 1:4.

    This is the promise recorded in Joel 2:28-32 and Acts 2:17-21.

    “And it shall be in the last days, God says, that I will pour forth of My Spirit upon all mankind; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams (Acts 2:17).

    Before “the last days” the Holy Spirit was only poured out upon specially chosen servants of God, especially prophets, priests and kings. But now, the Bible teaches us, all Christians are royal priests (1 Peter 2:9). The Holy Spirit can be poured out on all mankind (Acts 2:17), so this certainly includes you. The applicable time period for the promise, the last days, is the time between Christ’s ascension and second coming. The last days aren’t over yet as Acts 2:19,20 have not yet been fulfilled. Therefore the promise is still fully applicable to all believers today. ”

    http://www.christian-faith.com/forjesus/baptism-in-the-Holy-Spirit

    • Matthew 9:7 is talking about the harvest (the people of the world) being plentiful but the laborers (The chosen Firstfruits of God) being few, what about it?

      Yes, thats pretty much all correct BUT you are missing the first piece of this puzzle, the people whom are being talked about here are firstfruits, its a promise to them and then when you refer to the spirit being poured out on all people (*SIDENOTE* I didn’t know a person could be poured, maybe a power can be but not a person) I’m thinking its the last days thats in the world tomorrow when Jesus has already returned and He is now working with ALL mankind. Right now we are in the latter days before the world tomorrow.

  18. Lyndsey and Nigel,

    It might be helpful to consider that the bible refers to the Holy Spirit as a “he” not an “it.”

    While the holy spirit does embody the power of God, he is also treated like a person.

    Jesus refers to the HS as “the other Comforter.” A power does not comfort, but a person does.

    He also “guides us into all truth.” A power does not do this, but a person does.

    We are warned not to “grieve the holy spirit.” How can a power be grieved?

    Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    Even from the time of Isaiah, the holy spirit seemed personal:

    Isa 63:10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, [and] he fought against them.

    So these are just some things to think about. Maybe this would make a good post, and people could discuss it further.

    • If I did this I am soooooo sorry! I do my best to refer to HIM as HIM and not “it”. Was this found in what I copied and pasted or did I say this? Again, my deepest apologies! Thank you for bringing that up as well, very important to remember this.

      • Lyndsey,

        Nigel made a comment,

        The Holy spirit is simply the power of God, it is not an entity to be prayed to or talked to thus the trinity is false doctrine, but thats another topic.

        But since he was addressing you, I included you also.

        • Hmm, Marianne and I had a HUGE LONNNGGGG conversation about this via e-mail and I see none of it is mentioned here:

          Basically the end result of the convo was that the hs could be interpreted as a “he” or an “it” I guess it depends on what God shows you or doesn’t show you. Here is a small summary of the results.

          I said:

          the word used in the bible for “HE” when referring to the hs is “αὐτός” which means many things……..

          translates as “him” 1947 times, “them” 1148 times, “her” 195 times, “it” 152 times, not translated 36 times, and translated miscellaneously 1676 times. 1 himself, herself, themselves, itself. 2 he, she, it. 3 the same. Additional Information: Wigram’s frequency count is 4913 not 5117.

          Marianne pointed out:

          there is no scriptural proof that the HS is an “it” on this page.

          ἐκεῖνος means he, she it, etc.
          http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1565&t=KJV

          not just “it”

          I replied:

          Gods hs power is part of God. He uses it to communicate with us. God is the intelligence here behind the hs not a unique individual entity separate from God the Father you call the HS.

          There is also NO scriptural proof that the hs is a he either.

          I guess we will find out the truth when Jesus returns. :)

          Nigel.

          Marianne replied:

          I agree. I wonder why this had to be so vague in the first place, to have people argue about it for 2000 years.

          Therefore its concluded that the words used in the bible which translate into HE also mean IT as well.

    • God created women angels. They are not mentioned much because they are not messengers. They don’t marry because they have a mate made for them..There is no divorces so no need for marriages. Two angels are forever together and they never die. Remember we were made just a little lower than the angels.
      Zechariah 5:9
      Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

      Out of Thousands of Angels, only a few are mentioned

      • hi deborah

        Since we normally think of them as spirit, not flesh, it is hard to imagine them mating, and producing offspring. You got any information on that?

    • In Hebrew the word for the Holy spirit is said “Shekhinah” and means the power of God. The Shekhinah is not a person or deity. God’s sacred power

  19. Here are some posts, where I discuss the holy spirit:

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/baptism-of-the-holy-spirit-tongues/

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/holy-spirit-as-a-person-not-a-thing/

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/speaking-in-tongues-%E2%80%93-the-science-and-the-spirit/

    Maybe this will stimulate further discussion.
    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/the-church-is-having-a-power-failure/

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/god%E2%80%99s-glory-%E2%80%93-a-practical-application/

  20. What is Nigel saying about the Holy Spirit not being an entity? Not only the Holy spirit is the Third Person of the holy Trinity but he is also the Heart of God and therefore he is God and governs just like the Father and the Son and of whom without Him we cannot have a good thought .The Holy Spirit is the giver of life and breads on everything on the face of the earth .He cries out to the father upon seeing our aridity.so should we not pray to the Holy Spirit? On the contrary we should always not only pray for gifts in our lives but should also ask him to intercede for us when facing opponents or evil spirits

    • Rosa said:so should we not pray to the Holy Spirit? On the contrary we should always not only pray for gifts in our lives but should also ask him to intercede for us when facing opponents or evil spirits..

      Rosa, we don’t need anyone to intercede on our behalf-because of Jesus’ sacrifice, we can boldly go before the Father ourselves through praise and thanksgiving..”we enter His gates with praise and thanksgiving”. We pray to our Heavenly Father in JESUS NAME! You don’t need a priest or a saint to pray for you-a “saint” CANNOT HEAR you. A priest is just a man-made of flesh and blood-and has NO POWER OR AUTHORITY to forgive sins-only G-D, our Heavenly Father can do that.

    • Rosa, please show me ONE scripture in the bible that says we need to pray to the hs.

  21. Please excuse the error (bread) I meant to say breeds.

  22. About the dead sea scrolls .I would advise not to duel so much on them as to guide your daily life .My though about them is:if they were left out of the bible verses it is because there must had been a reason .who knows.perhaps none of what is written in it is true. I in your place would just follow the good book bible but not the one written by King James because he withdrew many boos from it simply because being a bigamist he could not accept the truth .Therefore he created a bible according to his own suiting

    • Meanwhile, the Popes had children out of wedlock. 100% correct history.

      How is it going Rose, you still praying to dead people?

    • Nigel,

      Your kidding me right? I thought it was self explanatory…the scripture says that it is NOT by our own strength but that of the strength/POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT-the Holy Spirit is G-D’s Spirit-“MY SPIRIT saith the Lord G-D Almighty.

      • No, I’m not kidding. I had no idea what you were trying to say by quoting that scripture. I know what it means, its another example of God the Father calling the holy spirit His power.

  23. In response to you accusations .remember this : “Thou shalt not bare false witness” what goes around comes around .why are you so eager to remove the speck from your brothers eye before removing the beam from yours? In response to me praying to dead people .Let me just say to you .the ones I pray to are more alive today that you .You are alive and yet ,you are carcasses dried up under the sun corrupted corps .You pretend to love Jesus ,Yet you go against every commandment that he has ever given us. What kind of God do you adore?perhaps one created in your own image to do your bidding. Does Jesus says in any part of the bible to falsely accuse your brothers? or to call them names etc.? Now who is dead the saints I pray to who give their life for the love of God or you an insolent creature?

    • Rosa,

      If we don’t have a Beam in our eye then we are able to “see clearly” the sawdust in yours. If we didn’t care about you then we would say “its ok Rosa, go ahead and worship the way you want to, worship Mary and all the other saints whose statues are encircling st peter square” and therefore ignore the commandments that G-d gives regarding graven images and worshiping other gods before Him. Would you rather we do this? Because we also have to answer to G-D. So there is no false witness because our motivation and statements are based on TRUTH-what Jesus says-what the scriptures say and how G-d has gone to great lengths to say and have written down in the Ten Commandments. Thou shalt NOT worship any other gods before me….Thou shalt NOT have any graven images…This is G-d saying this and we are only pointing out what is clearly stated by G-D.

      Now regarding the dead people….these would include but not limited to: Mary, the mother of Jesus (who is blessed among women as clearly stated in the scriptures, but nowhere does it say to PRAY to HER, therefore worship HER); then you have other people given the TITLE of saints as so indicated and titled by the Catholic Church…starting with Saint Peter…Now, JESUS is the SAVIOUR-the ONLY SON OF G-D who gave his life, becoming a final sacrifice for our sins-all others are in Jesus’ SHADOW and therefore NEVER to be put in front of Jesus. This is our point.

      • Rosa,

        I am genuinely NOT wanting to upset you. I am genuinely trying to help you see something that you may not be able to see. I do have a bad habit of being blunt sometimes and impatient-these are my flaws which I am very much aware of. I do care and I guess that is what I am trying to say.

    • Rosa

      I think the objection is the prayers to Mary. Since Jesus never told us to do this, and many lift up Mary as almost equal to God, this can be seen as making her a false god.

      I do not agree with how you are criticized for this issue. I know you love Jesus and have a good heart.

  24. Nigel,

    Here are some of the scriptures about the Baptism in the Holy Spirit; and you can also go to the sites that Marianne posted above.

    Matthew 3:11-12 (New International Version)

    11″I (John the baptist) baptize you with[a] water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He (Jesus) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

    John 7:37-39 (New International Version)

    37On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. 38Whoever believes in me, as[a] the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.” 39By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

    John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you ANOTHER HELPER, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and WILL BE IN YOU. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

    Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

    • If you check the history of the greek language you will find that the “he” it is referring to is actually an it. The greek language is like the spanish and french where they have feminine and masculine sayings. So when the word IT was translated to english it had to be translated as HE or SHE, heaven forbid they call the holy spirit a she The greeks dont have a word for IT so they wrote he.

  25. In Talmud Manna is literally called angel’s food;

  26. Now in the meantime Popes have children out of wedlock.Where did you saw that .do you know any of the Popes children?Correct me if i am wrong .are those pastors that you so eager follow not married and of course living a sinful life? is that ok? and it is not ok for the pope who is a man to have a fling?not that in any way I agree with any wrong done by a pope nor a priest because celibacy mens no sex ,but just to show you that if they do fall they are just man and man are prone to sin
    In any case you are falsely accusing them of evil doing and why is Marianne not seen this false accusation against my religion and is only accusing me of starting trouble? if you want me to respect what you believe them you better start respecting what i believe in .As far as I know from my lord .You are all living in sin! because you refuse to obey His appointed Shepard and trample over the Holly Eucharist which is the only source of life. As for you to be able to see the dust in my eyes .How can a blind man lead another blind man. You in turn are blinded to the truth ,therefore cannot see any dust in my eyes or in anybody else because you are following the wrong Shepard “THE ONE AND ONLY CHOSEN BY THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD TO LEAD HIS FLOCK”
    Shall I go on?

    • The Eucharist does not turn into Christ’s flesh, or blood again. That would be reincarnation.

      Man’s tradition is not G-d’s word.

      Peace.

      • Reincarantion would be another complete life cycle on earth in physical form.

        The term for the blessed Eucharist is transubstantiation. In this, Christ’s spirit embodies the host at the time of the blessing, so that it will be a physical and spiritual food for the one who consumed it in faith.

        They get this doctrine from the passage:

        Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

        Hope that makes more sense. At least it explains why they interpret this the way they do.

    • dear Rosa,

      Please look again at anything I have said. I have not said that you were starting trouble. You are welcome here. I have told people they were too rough on you, and that you loved Jesus, which is what counts here. So they should be nicer to you. I said i disagreed with the way they criticized you. They meant well, and were trying to convince you of their views, based on scripture, but they did not come across in the best way.

  27. The only true Shepard of God is the Pope from the Holy Catholic church the only one given the keys to Heaven the follower of Peter who sits on Peter chair and of whom you are not worth to kiss even his feet .So still think that you are going to heaven ,when in fact you are desobeyng the the Lord by refusing to be in communion with the Holy Bride of Christ Jesus

    • “The only true Shepard of God is the Pope from the Holy Catholic church the only one given the keys to Heaven the follower of Peter who sits on Peter chair and of whom you are not worth to kiss even his feet”

      *No, the Pope is NOT the true shepherd-Jesus Christ, the Son of G-D is the true shepherd

      “…when in fact you are desobeyng the the Lord by refusing to be in communion with the Holy Bride of Christ Jesus.”

      *No one is disobeying the Lord by refusing to see the Catholic Church as anything other than man-made religion with decorations and the like. The catholic church is not the bride of Christ

  28. Wow how did we get to Catholicism! Hah, I knew this would be a hot topic but wow.Marianne thanks for posting this, this post expresses something I have come to believe in – that Angels have some creative power only over their own bodies being originally supernatural beings so that they can manifest themselves in to the physical world via atomic structures. Perhaps I’m getting to scientific about it but even God works with atoms and particles with the supernatural, and I believe Satan can too.
    So for a rebellious angel to mate or eat or drink which is recorded ins scripture they must come in to this realm from theirs in other words, they must become physical in order to interact with our world.
    Often when it’s said that Angels had sex with woman people against this view quote Matthew 12:25 which says that in the Millennial reign we will be like the angels in heaven, we WON’T marry. From this they say see, angels can’t marry and thus can’t have sex and reproduce. The problems with this argument are many: the angels referred to in that scripture are Angels in heaven and thus are not in rebellion to God as fallen Angels. Lastly even if those fallen angels didn’t marry that does not mean they wouldn’t commit adultery, however Genesis 6 says they took for themselves wives. If good Angels were able to interact with the physical world when needed, why would evil angels not be able to interact in ways the produced evil such as immorality.
    If you are interested in further defining who and what angels are check out my blog on Angelology.
    http://wp.me/pZjhu-2I

  29. As a truly reborn and Spirit-filled disciple of Jesus Christ and not a follower of religion, let me advise the ones laughing at the tikoloshe that witchcraft is very real and that we here in Africa see and experience things that most in the developed world will laugh at, that is the mistake that so many missionaries make. When they go to “dark places”, many a time they are unprepared for what awaits them. In African custom, it is common to turn into a hyena at night and travel immense distances, for example.

    I would suggest that anyone refrain from mocking Satan, go read the last few books of John just before Revelation. I have seen charismatics teasing satan and that is now wise. If you really knew the Bible and if you really serve Jesus, do as He did: leave the judgement to God in the final day.

    Just know that what I am saying here is so that you can understand that problems in Africa cannot ever be solved along western civilization’s understanding or methods.

    As for angels, go back to the original scriptures and not the English as the translation is not correct. God (JHW) created man in His image….and then the Bible said that Elohim (the family of God) created man in THEIR image.

    The “sons of God” are a different phrase (Elhohim) that the “sons of God” referred to in the New testament. A lot had been lost in translation, more so in the English language, due to differences in meaning and grammar.

    Mock not what you know not.

    • “Greater is HE that is in me, then he that is in the world” 1 John 4:4

      Pieter,

      I am sorry if you are offended by my comment, but truly you have to see the humor. I am not saying that he doesn’t exist, but come on now, that is funny with some little troll walking around with his jewels over his shoulder. And I do understand the reality of spiritual warfare, perhaps not on the level that you or the people in Africa are, but Jesus says to REBUKE THE DEVIL AND HE WILL FLEE!

      I also have a dear close friend who is from Cameroon. She told me of a town that is very much influenced by Satan and that they buried a man alive! She was shaken just telling me about it. So, yes, I am aware of SOME of what is going on over there thru her and I see how it affects her even while she is no longer living there-she has family and friends that are still there. They are VERY MUCH aware of satanic activities, but we as Christians need to and should be obligated to teaching them how to Rebuke Satan! And directing them to the POWER OF ALMIGHTY G-D! Why NOT laugh in the face of this little troll-tell him to go back to the hell of which he came in JESUS NAME! Are you pleading the blood of Jesus Christ? These are the two things of which I know can be done. Also, I saw an interview with a man who, each and every time this witchdoctor tried to put a hex on him, the glory of G-D would cover him. Long story short, the demons that the witchdoctor entertained and summoned actually turned on her!

      I guess what I am trying to say is don’t give more power to Satan-call upon the Almighty G-D and HIS POWER to help you over there!

    • Hey Pieter,

      Would genuinely like to know about your encounters with Angels. I have always hoped to see one.

  30. Nigel

    For each response column, there is only room for about 10 replies, then the column runs out, and you have to go to the bottom of the page, and post your comment there, like I am doing.

  31. Nigel and Lyndsey

    There are 2 debates here with you.


    The first debate centers around 2 differing doctrines.

    tell me if I gt this wrong.

    1. one is Oneness, where the Trinity is not a reality, but recognizes that there is a Father, son, and holy spirit, but only Jesus is God. Or maybe, just the father is

    2. The other – Trinity where Father son and holy spirit are all 3 persons united in one Godhead.

    Each doctrine can be held by a sincere real christian. The problem comes from interpretation, not a lack of salvation.


    The second debate asks whether the holy spirit is a person or a thing.

    The only way to resolve that, or the first debate, is to present scripture.

    Remember, unbelievers may come here and read this, so be nice to each other.

  32. Nigel,

    The Father was Jesus’s Father BEFORE he came to earth. So, He did not need the HS to make him the Son of God. He already WAS the Son of God.

    The impregnation was just a miracle birth ordered by the Father and carried out by the HS.

    So, I think it is a valid argument that you cannot grieve a power, but you can grieve a person.

    Also, if the Greek third person singular is ambiguous (He, she or it), you cannot force it to mean the 3rd person is an “it” just because you do not believe the 3rd person is a “he”

  33. Nigel,

    I don’t see how my response was “snarky”…or even yelling. To yell, you have to capitalize everything. I only capitalize a few words to make emphasis.

    Regarding your theory of Jesus being raised on Saturday would dismiss and contradict what the scriptures clearly state, again, Jesus rose early on the first day of the week (Mark 16:9). And, On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb (Luke 24:1)

    And Jesus was in the grave, 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS…not 3 days and 2 nights…..as the scriptures clearly state ““For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matt 12:40).

    And Marianne is right, we are told not to grieve or quench the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is NOT and “it”. The Holy Spirit is a person! He is part of the trinity, which consists of G-D, our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, who is G-D ‘s son and the Holy Spirit, who is our comforter…the one who leads us into all Truth. As it is written in the scriptures,
    “I (Jesus) will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.” (John 14:16-18)

    I have answered your questions. I have pointed out the scriptures that support what I am telling you. The scriptures have shown you that your opinions are wrong. At this point, your argument is not with me, it is between you and G-D. I do not have to defend who I am in Christ. I know who G-D is, who Jesus is and who the Holy Spirit is. I also showed you the scriptures that talk about and explain who the Holy Spirit is. By your continuing to ask these questions shows me that you haven’t even bothered to read my responses, the scriptures posted and/or referenced. If you would read the scriptures, they will tell you everything you need to know and will further answer your questions.

  34. John 14:15-31

    Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit

    15“If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives WITH you and will be IN you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”

    22Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”

    23Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

    25“All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

    28“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 29I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. 30I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, 31but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

  35. Nigel,

    If you would READ the scriptures then you wouldn’t have said half of what you have said to me. Yes, I am absolutely called by G-D! I am truly not understanding what it is that you believe. Your not making any sense. Marianne is also filled with the Holy Spirit-according to your statements, Marianne and I both are in danger and worshiping the “wrong Jesus”.

    The scriptures posted above clearly explain the Holy Spirit. John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

    You have been shown who and where the Truth is…it is up to you (free will) to look for it and receive it.

  36. Nigel,

    If you would READ the scriptures then you wouldn’t have said half of what you have said to me. Yes, I am absolutely called by G-D! I am truly not understanding what it is that you believe. Your not making any sense. Marianne is also filled with the Holy Spirit-according to your statements, Marianne and I both are in danger and worshiping the “wrong Jesus”.

    The scriptures posted above clearly explain the Holy Spirit. John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

    You have been shown who and where the Truth is…it is up to you (free will) to look for it and receive him.

  37. Doss’nt Jesus say there will be no marriage in heaven and that believers will become as the angels? So then, if there is no marriage in heaven, how can the angels possibly be engaged in any kind of mating? Maybe it’s only the fallen angels?

    • CJ

      No one in heaven needs to eat. I was referring to a physical presence on earth.

    • Exactly! that is what G-d told Enoch (the mediator between the fallen angels and G-d)to go and tell the “watchers” the fallen angels who had committed this unforgivable sin. G-d reminded them of this fact stating that this is why HE never made Female angels! And then they go and have relations with HUMAN females/daughters of men!

      G-d punished them by having them watch their hybrid children die in front of them…for starters.

      The book of Enoch should have been included-it picks up where Genesis 6 leaves off and it also elaborates on the Flood and the reason for it! G-d had told Enoch to go and tell his grandson, Noah, to prepare for the flood DUE TO all the hybrid children of the fallen angels-G-d wanted to clean the earth of their presence. Remember in Genesis where it makes a point of stating that Noah’s bloodline was PURE/without blemish? This means his bloodline had not been “infected” with the hybrids/Nephilim/giants.

  38. I never even thought about Angels eating, but I remember those verses clearly and don’t know why I didn’t think of them right away. Sometimes we read with one purpose in mind, rather than reading for the full content of a scripture verse. Yes, the pastor in question should have known and been able to answer intelligently on the subject.

    Debbie

  39. Angels are spirit beings who can manifest themselves in physical form. But they are not fallen beings…cannot be tempted…and do not partake of fleshly lusts. They do not procreate. The Genesis 6 scripture is widely known to clearly define the ‘sons of God’ as the offspring of Adam and the generations of offspring which followed. The reference “Ge 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, ….is clearly referring to the long geneology record which immediately preceeded the verse.

    Ge 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    ‘Sons of God’ are Adam, Seth, and the firstborn of each generation during the timeframe in which the verse applies. It discusses the practice which eventually began where the ‘sons/elect’ of God began to mingle with the decendants of Cain. Cain, of course, was NOT a son of God….even before he murdered Able. Cain rejected God’s ordinances from the beginning. Angels are not ‘sons of God.’ The account of the angel visitation with Abraham certainly indicates that the angels ‘ate.’ But things are not always what they seem. I expect the food just disappeared as it entered their manifested ‘human’ body. God can do anything. There were two angels with me in the delivery room some years ago…one to comfort me…the other to take my little one’s soul back to his Father. I saw them CLEARLY. They both were healthy and beautful young men in their twenties. NO ONE ELSE SAW THEM. BUT I SAW THEM. THEY WERE THERE FOR ME TO SEE. They GRIEVED with me. I WILL NEVER..EVER…EVER FORGET THAT GOD REMEMBERED ME IN MY GRIEF. GOD LATER CONFIRMED TO ME THAT THE BABY’S DEATH WAS MERCY. GOD SAID, ‘I DIDN’T LET HIM DIE…I LET HIM LIVE!!!’ WOW!! Angels…..are definitely among us. But they are not flesh. I think they are one of God’s gifts to us. They are of the ‘heavenly’ and have no need for things of the flesh.

    • Carolyn,

      First let me say that I am very sorry for your loss. I am glad that G-d sent you Angels for you to see that helped you get thru your pain and grief.

      Regarding your comment about the “sons of G-d”….Theology and Man made doctrine have twisted the scriptures and what you mentioned above is indeed how they are “selling it”. How do they explain “… They were the heroes of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4
      How do they explain the GIANTS that G-d speaks of and that Archaeologists have dug up? These guys were HUGE! How did they get this tall? and by reasoning that “sons of G-d” came from Adam and the “daughters of men” DID NOT, how can you explain that? Men are from G-d and women aren’t from G-d?!

      The WHOLE reason for the flood was to get rid of this Hybrid race!!

  40. Concerning the Book of Enoch…we dare not ‘add’ to the finished Word of God. Damnation is promised for those who do. The Bible is a finished, complete, and perfect work. In these many years of study, I have never found one error or contradition from Genesis through Revelations. God continues to ‘rule in the kingdom of men’ …as He proclaimed in Daniel 4:17. The world and everything in it belongs to God. He dared not leave His perfect plans and purposes under the control of men. To complain is to question God.

    • hi Carolyn

      I don’t think I mentioned the Book of Enoch on this page. Yes, the Bible is complete as it can be, with what we have. The Book Wars of the Lord is missing however, that was mentioned in scripture. I am not 100% sure about Enoch, but I have read it, and there is nothing in it that contradicts scripture that I can see, unless someone has noticed something.

      RE: the sons of God being sons of Adam, and the sons of man which is sons of Cain. That seems to also be a logical view. But how did the groups mating produce giants, if they were all regular humans?

  41. Concerning the Book of Enoch, I was responding to the portionss taken from Enoch in Lindsey’s comments at this site.I read the portions of Enoch she included and find them to be contrary to the Word. They contradict the authority of Christ. The portions she included and her response to them concerns me greatly. She said, “Your right leatherneck! Reading the book of Enoch just stirs something inside of me…I know it to be truth and I feel as if I have stumbled upon GOLD-the missing piece of the puzzle.” The Word of God is not a puzzle man can piece together. It is the living, breathing, Truth of God. Concerning the inerrancy of the Bible…I don’t believe man acted on his own concerning what portions of scripture to include or exclude. I believe it is 100% perfecty orchistrated by God through men…. and that God ‘put it in the hearts’ of those involved…to do as they do. I believe it is a perfect work. For me, the portions of Enoch included by Lindsey rings of Joseph Smith type imagery. It has sparked my curiousity so I’ll read it one day…not because it is a missing link of the Work….but for information concerning the matter.

    Concerning giants….even today we are seeing more and more seven foot plus occurances. Being giant or dwarf is merely a matter of hormonal balances. These Anakims as they were called were clearly only a race of man….likely related to Goliath the Phillistine. They were most likely descendents of Cain rather than of Seth since God allowed their defeat on different occasions. They were mere men….just BIG…but vulnerable to defeat by God’s people.

    Interesting post. Thanks. Enjoy reading your posts.

    • hi CArolyn

      Which portions did you see conflict with the Word? Can you quote them?

      I think the Bible can be an interesting puzzle, especially about things the bible does not come out and describe clearly. In these cases, one has to comb the entire bible looking for clues for interpretation. One big debate is how end time prophecies should be interpreted.

      The giants of ancient times were about 9 feet tall.

      I guess what I am asking is if both cain and abel and seth came from Adam and eve, why would one cain be expected to be 9 feet tall, and Abel and Seth were only 5-6 feet tall?

      There is nothing in Genesis that talks about how tall Cain was.

      The interpretation that fallen angels mated with human women comes from the unique offspring that had not occurred before. This is also matched from other ancient legends whose authors knew nothing about the bible, or its contents, so they were not influenced to agree. They independently came to this conclusions. Also ancient drawings show tall men and the legends say they came from the sky.

      Technically, after the fall of Adam, all humans were now sons of man, rather than sons of God. Prophets like Isaiah were always called “son of man” in the text.

      So, you can see where there is room for the interpretation that the “sons of god” were fallen angels who had come down to earth in rebellion. The idea that they were gods came from the fact that people saw them come from the sky.

      But, for me, I was not there. I am glad too. It did not sound like an scenario I would want to witness.

    • Carolyn,

      Does it not upset you that many many of the same scrolls that were pulled out of the Qumran Caves (11 caves) which were alongside the Book of Isaiah, Deuteronomy, etc…were chosen by MEN to be left out?

      These other scrolls, which were found alongside the book of Isaiah and Deuteronomy, include but not limited to were also The Book of Jubilees and the War scrolls.

      What right does anyone have to decide what goes and what stays. These scrolls were hidden so as to protect them for a reason and they were written down for a reason and G-d made a way for ALL of them to be hidden/protected for a reason.

      Now while I read the Book of Enoch, of which only had 60 chapters that I saw, I did not see any contradictions when comparing it to the scriptures-I have read it now twice. Maybe I missed something because I honestly don’t see what all the fuss is about. The book made sense to me and answered a lot of unanswered questions. Especially why Genesis 6:4 just stops and goes on to the flood instead of explaining further who the nephilim were.

      In the book of Jude, there is a verse that references the Book of Enoch! I will have to find it and post it here. Further, Enoch was the grandfather of Noah. And we all know who Noah was…the whole reason for the flood was to wipe out the hybrid nephilim race that had occurred between the “sons of G-D” and the “daughters of men”. G-D made a point to mention that Noah was chosen because his bloodline was PURE…(not affected by the Nephilim). And regarding your argument that the “sons of G-D” were children of Adam and Eve….why would G-D have it written as “sons of G-D” and “daughters of men”..why not “sons of Adam…or sons of man and why not daughters of Adam….there was a point made by Differentiating the two-clearly showing a separate race..

      • Jude, quotes from the Book of Enoch:

        Jude verse 14: 14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

        • And my personal thoughts are that one of the main reasons why the Book of Enoch was chosen to be left out because it was “too supernatural” to be grasped and believed. Throughout most of the responses from people on this site who are from various faiths and backgrounds, I have noticed that they don’t want G-D to be supernatural! What they haven’t realized yet (I am assuming they haven’t because of their comments) is that G-d is SPIRIT. Everything about G-D is supernatural! His world is vastly different from ours. From a secular view, The Book of Encoh could actually be an awesome sci-fi movie! And this is where a lot of “christians” get turned off and decide that “their G-D” is not like this. Look again….in the books that WERE INCLUDED and you will see over and over that G-D is supernatural! He is Spirit! And even says in John 4:24 “23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God IS SPIRIT, and his worshipers MUST WORSHIP IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH.”

      • correction: Enoch was the great grandfather of Noah….and to add as a side note…Enoch, along with Elijah, never saw death…were “taken” by G-D.

  42. Concerning giants, I only wanted to make the point that man comes in all sizes…lol…big …little…and in between. The giants of Bible times were basically beaten out…so to speak. I only mentioned they were likely descended from Cain because Bible history kept a pretty clear eye on the descendants of Adam. After the deluge…..Noah, his wife, their sons, and their wives became the gene pool. I just don’t think because the growth hormone was raging in a group of people is reason to attribute their size to Lucifer and his fallen followers. I mentioned Cain because of Goliath being Philistine…enemy of God’s people. Maybe God just allowed them to get sooooo big in order for His power to be more notable when they were ‘felled’…as was the case when God nailed him right between the eyes with a wittle wock. lol. Scripture refers to some of them as ‘men of renouned’ which seemingly would mean they were successful…strong..and respected men.

    I interpret the verses to mean ‘the descendants of Adam’ began to marry wives who were gentile…a thing which had been discouraged historically.

    1.PROCREATION BY MORTAL MEN AS THEY MIGRATED ACROSS THE FACE OF THE EARTH….NOT ANGLELS: Ge 6:1 ……MEN began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    2. STILL REFERS TO PROCREATION AS ADDRESSED BY THE PREVIOUS VERSE..MORTAL MEN DOING THEIR PROCREATIVE THING….AS ORDAINED BY GOD: Ge 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    3.CONFIRMS THAT SOME OF THESE MORTAL MEN WHO PARTICIPATED IN MIXED MARRIAGES….WERE GENETICALLY PREDISPOSED TO GIANTISM…IN THE WAY THAT WE TODAY COMMONLY HAVE THE ‘LITTLE PEOPLE.’ THE SUBJECT HAS NOT CHANGED. IT STILL DISCUSSES THE SPREADING OF MAN ACROSS THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND HIS PROCREATIVE SUCCESS: NOTHING IN THESE VERSES INDICATES OR DISCUSSES FALLEN ANGELS OR THEIR THE SADISTIC MATING OF HUMAN WOMEN WITH SATAN’S ANGELS. I don’t believe it is physically possible since they, like God’s angels, are spirit and not flesh. They can ‘appear’ as flesh. But they are not. Ge 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    If these giants were the offspring of Satan. God would NOT have opened the womb to such a sadistic perversion. And He would not have allow fruit to come forth which would be half human…half Satan. The only time that will happen is with the man of sin..Antichrist..who is Satan’s replication of the Son of God who was made flesh and dwelt among us….to the purpose of ultimate redemption of man. Satan’s Son, too, will be made flesh and will dwell among us…for the purpose of the ultimate destruction of all flesh. Remember, these fallen angels and damned for eternity. They are the enemy of God. They are vile.

    This verse continues the previous ones of man’s progression across the face of the earth…his marriage to gentiles who were idol worshipers…and who were of proficient in the sensual pleasures and lust of the flesh. The subject matter has not changed at all. It continues to discuss the branching our of Adam’s descendents (sons of God) and their progressive spiritual degeneration. Ge 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Satan is a LIAR. HE AND HIS FOLLOWERS COULD NO MORE FATHER AN OFFSPRING THOUGH A HUMAN WOMB NO MORE THAN AN ANIMAL COULD. And the ‘legends’ are just that…legends Born out of ignorance by people who could not understand genetic physiology and, therefore, attributed ‘alien’ or ‘supernatural’ explanations. Heck, the food and drink of the giants may have been loaded with natural metals found in their area which impacted growth hormones to flow unchecked. There definitely is an explanation.

    Concerning the Book of Enoch. I just read some portions Lindsey had posted…specifically…the designated authority of the various angels. The wording completely left out the possibility of ‘coming boldly before the throne of grace.’ On the surface, there was a ring of the ‘orbal’ type mumbo jumbo which propelled Joseph Smith to believe the so-called manifestation which left him the magic glasses with which to ‘see’ the truth..so he could give truth to the world. How very sad. Christ is the Way and the ONLY way.

  43. Numbers 13:31But the men who had gone up with him said, “We can’t attack those people; they are stronger than we are.” 32And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, “The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. 33We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”

    In the Book of Enoch-Book 1-The Watchers, Chapter 15, G-D is telling Enoch what to say to the “watchers” who had gone to Enoch and asked him to plead their case with G-D. Here is the link,
    http://www.earth-history.com/Pseudepigrapha/Enoch/enoch-1-watchers.htm

    From reading, it is my understanding that the “sons of G-d” which are described in Genesis are NOT fallen angels-demons. They were called the Watchers of the Heavens. They were indeed G-D’s angels who made a choice to descend from heaven and have “wives”. This resulted in a hybrid race-giants. When the “watchers” saw what they had done, they were afraid of G-D and his wrath so that asked Enoch to mediate on their behalf-pleading G-D for Forgiveness. G-D makes it clear to the watchers the choice they made by knowing of the heavenly places and secrets and CHOOSING to what they did..G-d made it clear to them that He did not make wives for them (therefore no female angels) and that their punishment was to watch their children die in front of them. Then G-D orders Raphael (another watcher ) to bind up one of the “fallen watchers”. They were NOT fallen angels before taking daughters of men…they became fallen angels by doing this.

    And further, from what I have read, it appears that Angels too have free will.

    Regarding the giants, they were taller than 9 feet. Archaeologists have discovered these “giants” and some have been and may still be at the Smithsonian Institute from what I have read.

    Luke 8:1717For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open

  44. Book 1-Enoch-The Watchers Chapter 10, verse 1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, 2 and said to him: ‘Go to Noah and tell him in my name “Hide thyself!” and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come 3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape 4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.

    This is clearly in alignment with Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God; and the earth was filled with violence.
    12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
    13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

    So, in Enoch, G-d is telling Noah to go and hide himself (maybe to protect him from the Giants) and then in Genesis, G-D is telling Noah how to build the ark….and in Genesis 6:9 (G-d is making a point to say that Noah had a perfect bloodline-not corrupted with the giants/the watchers etc..)

    Noah was a just man 2 Pet. 2.5 and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

  45. aMEN MARIANNE KEEP UP THE GRREAT WORK!!!!!

  46. I have responded to the Islamic claim here. http://academysounds.blogspot.com/2010/09/angels-eat.html

  47. Its past sundown where I live now so I can say……….. Happy Feast of Trumpets everyone.

  48. 1) Jesus Himself quoted from the Book of Enoch when He said “Angels in Heaven neither marry nor are given in marriage.” 2) The writings of Enoch are mentioned elsewhere in Scripture.
    3) The book of Jude makes it very clear that the angels engaged in unnatural sexual activity & then compares their account to that of Sodom & Gomorrah.

    • This does not quote the book of Enoch, all this does is validate that the book of enoch could never be true.

      Angels in heaven neither marry nor are given in marriage clearly tells us that the book of enoch is false doctrine because the so called angels did exactly that and married according to the book of enoch, therefore Jesus would be lying and we know Jesus cannot lie.

      • Then you would have to throw out the book of Genesis AND the book of Jude if what you say is true about Enoch not being authentic! the book of Enoch supports Genesis and vice versa; the book of Enoch is referenced in the book of Jude. You can argue all you want but the FACT remains that what was written in Genesis was also supported in Enoch and AGAIN, vice versa!

  49. Shana tova, y’all!
    I forgot to point out….the story of the angels eating what Abraham prepared makes it clear that the Orthodox concept of ingesting meat & dairy together is not an issue for G-d. Follow Scriptural kashrut & not Rabbinic.

  50. angels eat and mate with the body’s they have.where have you seen a human Angel? How can an Angel have a body if he is a Spirit?In reference to the angels that appear to Abraham it was said that the 3 entities were none other than the Holy Trinity.as the 3 persons took the form of humans .I can understand the Angels occasional overtaking human body,s for whatever they may need but they do not have human body’s .They are spirits.End of story!

  51. True divine beings do not need food and neither did Jesus. He often rebuked his need for earthly food, existing for 40 days and nights in the desert with no food or water, and when urged by his disciples to eat, he replied “My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work”. Jesus, a divine being, existed in material form in order to be among us and relate intimately with the human experience, hence his participation in human rituals such as eating. As for angels, since we were created in God’s image, would not the angels be like us and we like them? We eat earthly food (energy) and they eat heavenly food (divine light). As Jesus says “Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven”. Another point, angels in heaven do not marry because they are children of The Father, and there is only one Father, as Jesus said, “And call no one on earth your father; for one is your Father, the heavenly”.

  52. Well said Marianne. One has to be really grounded in the word of God and have a real good knowledge able to quickly refer into events mentioned in the bible to answer critics. Jesus Himself said, when we stand before kings and others, He himself will put the words in our mouth, the reference (bible) must always be in our minds.

    God bless
    Steve
    Nz

  53. Hi, I like the message you gave about the angels and everything you said, but I have one question were these sons of God really angels because if you read Hebrews 1:5, it shows us that God had never said to any angel you are my son, but however if you read Romans 8:14, it gives the defintion of a son of God- For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. I am not trying to argue with you or trying to contradict, I just want to help all of us to find out the truth, if I am wrong you can correct me..AMEN

    • hi Tinashe

      Different opinions are welcome. The word “angel” might apply to anyone from heaven. The early hebrews did not know what to think most of the time when a heavenly person showed up. So they called them all angels. This would also include the son of God, when he appeared in the OT

    • they were called “nephilim” which means “fallen ones”

      “The word nephilim is from the root nun-peh-lamed, which means to fall. The meaning of the word nephilim, at its simplest interpretation, is the fallen ones or the fallible ones.”

      http://en.allexperts.com/q/Hebrew-Language-1605/Nephilim-mean.htm

  54. Nigel argues about who the Holy Spirit is because he clearly, as indicated by his posts, does not KNOW HIM and has never received HIM as Jesus so promised. He seems to think that the “outpouring” of the Holy Spirit will only occur when Jesus returns not even knowing that the Holy Spirit outpouring has already occured and continues to occur right up UNTIL the return of Jesus. It amazes me even still that not just nigel, but others as well can read the same scriptures and come up with their own interpretation! The scriptures speak for themselves and its all there in black and white.

    1 Corinthians 2…9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

    *the Holy Spirit is the one who knows the mind of the Lord and thru the outpouring of His spirit, we are then instructed and have the mind of Christ.

    John 16:13
    13But when HE, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

    *there are more scriptures that explain the Holy Spirit, who he is, what he does etc….John, Act, Romans and Corinthians talk a lot of the Holy Spirit. The book of Matthew I believe talks about the Promise of the Holy Spirit. The book of Genesis makes it clear that there are more than one-three of them, yet ONE.

    1 John 5:7 KJV For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one

    Nigel, I know the Jesus Christ of whom I serve, for I have been sealed until the day of redemption by receiving the Holy Spirit of whom Jesus promised!

  55. http://www.godvine.com/The-Story-of-Noah-s-Ark-Featuring-Donald-Duck-35.html?ref=nf

  56. Where did you saw again that when we die we go to sleep? Let meexplain something to you .The body dies and rests on earth until the day of resurrection but the soul goes either to heaven, purgatory or hell.This are the 3 places where one will end up after death .About the writings in the bible all are true but like I mention before .Your bible is missing many books and therefore you will not find the truth related to the after life .An example If God is a spirit and lives so do we because God has given us an immortal soul.Do you understand .An immortal soul therefore our soul cannot remain with our body but flies out to the creator or wherever God has destined for us .hope that clears all the human mysteries.

  57. WARNING
    THE WRATH OF GOD.

    Last week i Had a vision at sun set .For more than 5 years I somehow I have been able to read the signs in the sky,s and as i was coming home after doing so grocery shopping i looked at the sky and notice that the sun was red as blood but this time it spread all over it was not like the other times before .This time was scary a lot of blood .I phoned Father David and asked if he had looked at the sun set ,and he said no but went and looked at it and agreed that it was quiet red ,i then explained what my fears were and asked him to pray for those that were going to die that they may repent before their last breath ,father David agreed but i was sure that he did not believe me .While he was in the diocese in Vancouver all start to happen such as birds and fish deaths, when he returned home i asked if he had watched the news he said no so i explained what had gone on while he was talking to the bishop .He seem surprised but again I knew that he did not believe me, and so this arctical is to remind you that what i saw in the sun set will bring a lot of carnage in the world in the very near future perhaps in days or weeks and it will be of grate mortality .Anyway The Lord’s message from last night is related to the flood in Australia and the mud slides in Brazil and more to come .Please read carefully for it may save your life and perhaps your soul.This are the warnings from our true Lord Jesus Christ

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    REPENT CREATION BEFORE I COME!

    September 1, 1987

    fidelity is what I love; Vassula, I will give you a vision lifting you to Me; I will show you how heaven will appear;

    (The sky was shown to me. It looked as any night, with its stars, then it changed. It resembled spots of paint. Like a painter’s palate, but one colour was dominating surpassing all others, in command, it was red, thick, and it grew in its thickness, like yeast, pouring from above on us.)

    Vassula, I will open the heavens, letting you see what eye has never seen; you have well discerned, keep awake; I will watch over you, hear Me; write; I have, since the beginning of times, loved My creation, but I created My creation to love Me too and recognise Me as their God; I have, since the beginning of times, sanctified all that My Hands created; I am a God of Love, I am the Spirit of Sublime Love; creature, since the beginning of times, I have shown My Love to mankind, but I have also shown My Justice too; each time My creation rebelled against Me and My Law, I hardened at Heart, My Heart grieved by their iniquities; I came to remind them that I am the Spirit of Love and that they too are spirit; I came to remind them that they are but a passing shadow on earth, made out of dust, and that My first drops of rain upon them, will wash them away leaving nothing behind; I have breathed into them, My Breath, giving them life;

    the world has incessantly been offending Me and I, for My part, have incessantly been reminding them of My existence and of how I love them, My Chalice of Justice is full, creation! My Justice lies heavily upon you! unite and return to Me, honour Me creation! when you will, then I too will lift My Justice; My cries resound and shake the entire heavens leaving all My angels trembling for what has to come, I am a God of Justice and My Eyes have grown weary watching hypocrisy, atheism, immorality; My creation has become, in its decadence, a replica of what Sodom was; I will thunder you with My Justice as I have thundered the Sodomites; repent, creation, before I come;

    I have indeed forewarned you many a time but you have not followed My instructions; I have raised up saints to warn you, but daughter, they have closed their hearts; My creation would rather live in lust and ignore Me; I have given them signs to awaken them;

    My God, Your children are only sleeping. Please come and wake them up, they are only sleeping.

    they are sleeping hour after hour, year after year;

    But Lord, who is to blame if they have not been taught, they are almost innocent if they know nothing about You.

    I have raised servants and teachers on earth to teach them;

    But Lord, Your teachers and servants do work, but what can they do more when multitudes are negative, they are helpless!

    helpless? they should repent, they should come to Me and repent; I have through times given them signs, but they have rejected them as not from Me; I have given them warnings through weak and wretched souls but they doubted My word; they have rejected all My blessings, grieving Me; O men with hearts out of rock! men of little faith! have they had more heart and have they had, now even, more heart, I would have helped them; I stirred them up from their sleep, but how many times have they closed their eyes, falling back into sleep;

    But why don’t they make it known to the world when You give Your signs?

    some do, but the majority of My sacerdotal souls have closed their hearts, doubting, fearing; many of them fear; Vassula, do you remember the Pharisees?

    Yes, Lord.

    let Me tell you that many of them are replicas of the Pharisees; doubting, fearing, blinded by vanity and with hypocrisy, do you remember how many times I have given them signs? I have given them signs hundreds of times and what have they done? times have not changed, many of My sacerdotal souls are just the same, replicas of the Pharisees! I have given them signs but they want signs which could be explained by proofs; they want proofs;

    Will You give them of Your past signs a proof, and of this revelation any proof?

    all that I will give them is you yourself, child;

    But Lord, it’s not convincing, I’m not convincing, I’m nothing to convince! They’ll laugh outright in my face.

    I have blessed you;

    But Lord, I know that it’s You, and a few others too, but many will disagree, since there is no solid proof it’s from You. I am nothing and You know it.

    daughter, let Me be everything, remain nothing and let Me be everything; the least you are the more I am; I have now laid My Justice on mankind, upon them is what they have reaped;

    Isn’t there a solution, I mean that somehow everything becomes like You want and so Your Justice is lifted?

    Vassula, when I will be received and not denied by My sacerdotal souls now, I will lift My Justice; I have warned them, but they keep My warnings hidden;

    Please tell me the reason why they do this?

    they seem to forget My Omnipotency and My Wealth, they tend to amass everything into one thing; 1 they will believe only if they see; grieving Me, counting not My blessings;

    2 creature! creature! revive My Church, Vassula honour Me; the hour is near, beloved, the hour is at hand; Love will come again as Love;

    Thank You, Lord. I bless You.

    (These last three days I felt in my soul an inexplicable agony; between the 1st and the 4th.)

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    1 Solid proof, concrete, touchable…
    2 Then He turned to me, laying His command on me.

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  58. This video is only 5:11 minutes in duration and explains what dimensions are, and basically also how extra dimensional beings (good and bad angels, beings from 4th, 5th, etc dimensions) might view us, and why they seem to have “supernatural” capabilities (seen from our 3 dimensional perspective) like walking through walls and suddenly appearing out of nowhere, like Jesus did after His resurrection. It’s not so “supernatural” and mysterious after all.

    It also explains why we have to be changed into beings of light (beings with bodies fit to live in other dimensions then on earth) to be able to live in Heaven where the Lord is.

    Science and the supernatural coming together! It’s brilliantly done, understandable by even children:

  59. My brothers and sisters in the adopted family of Yeshua,
    I think the book of Enoch has not been included in the bible just like the book of Jubilees because God has given us what we have needed to know for this age – especially to know who Jesus (Yeshua) is, inside and out – and especially about His person through all the histories, prophecies and teachings that came about through his work on (and through) Israel. The time before the flood has been covered in brief in Genesis, and Enoch is written about briefly in Hebrews and the like, but the majority of the Bible speaks to man(and woman) born during this current day and age, because it’s very relevant to us. The copy of Enoch that we have is a book that is fragmented and not perfectly preserved, but if it is reliable information, God our father will reveal that when we’re face to face with Him. My husband has pointed out wisely that Apocrypha, the books related to but not included in the canonical scriptures, are often very complimentary to the books we read from God’s inspired scriptures, but they are best read through after one has a strong foundation in scripture, so that we base our faith and understanding upon -it-, and -not- apocryphal books. Do we not need to remember that there are several History Channel documentations about the ‘Gospel of Judas’ that says that Jesus told Judas to betray Him? That’s directly opposed in the four Gospels. And wouldn’t a new believer be a bt confused by the Gospel of Thomas, which is written from a skeptic’s perspective?

    The points made in the first few comments to this article.. I hold them valid. The terms Nephilim can be translated to ‘mighty men’, the equivalent of the word warrior, and the term ‘Sons of god’ can mean that the sons of Seth’s line became fascinated with the women in Cain’s line, and began worshipping false Gods through intermarriage, just like Israel did again and again in 1 and 2nd kings. The point made that folk get distracted into keeping track of the behaviors of angels is also just as valid a concern for today as it was thousands of years ago – some Jews were quite attentive to the roles and names of the heavenly host, whereas the most important thing to keep track of in a believer’s life is
    1) Love the lord God with all your heart, soul and mind (God wants a relationship with you, not a man-made religious construct!)
    2) Love your neighbor as yourself
    That stuff’s straight from Jesus, isn’t it? Yeshua?

    Yes, I’ve read Enoch’s book several times. Yes, I’m fascinated with the story it tells, and the way science keeps backing up what we are told about reality by the Bible.. but at the heart of things God gave us a salvation-plan so simple that a young child can understand and follow it. There’s a line that needs to be carefully kept, that there’s a difference between being full of knowledge and being full of the Holy Spirit – they exist very well together, but studying can draw our attention from the practical things of life. <:)

  60. Thanks Marianne!
    I have been skimming your site plenty, it’s clear that your interests are quite broad, and there are some posts that are blatantly unapologetic (and appreciated for their nuances from yours truely!). When it comes to the ideas that the popes aren’t holy, that Mary isn’t the Mother of God and that one doesn’t pray to canonized saints.. well, my mom had a while of attending different catholic churches in the states.
    As for my experiences learning about the Holy Spirit, it’s been a very mixed journey. I wish there was a private fora or person(s) I could confer with about what I’ve gone through, to sort out what is of the Lord and what isn’t. I am in a good apostolic home group, but it’s not in my native language.
    Any suggestions?
    Thanks, and blessings,
    -illys

  61. AVATAR movie..

    If that guy form Earth madel love with the girlie from her planet, is he fallen angel?

    Ai some guy from planet od Avatars come to Earth and make love with girlie from our planet, is he fallen angel??
    :D
    peace for all, once upon a time whan we will fly out of Earth and visit civilisation f.e. on Titan ..moon of Saturn, maybe just YOU will fall in love with somebody from there.. and you will be fallen angel as well. Ohh god, extra terrestial are our gods, who else?????
    wake up !

    • hello Zomi

      A fallen angel is one who was kicked out of heaven when the angelic rebellion occurred under satan. These are devils. In the past, these fallen angels have mated with earth women, and created hybrid offspring.

      At one point, God flooded the earth to remove all the contamination. The spirits that came out of the dead bodies of humans and hybrids are the demons we see today afflicting people.

      This is occurring again, but now they call themselves aliens or extra terrestrials. They are still devils.

      God will soon purge the earth of devils, demons, and sinful humans who mate and associate with them. He will do it by fire this time.

      If you get involved with them, you will either be killed by God, or taken straight to hell. There is no other romantic planet to go to.

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  63. Nephilyim is a Hebrew word translated in the King James version as giants. It comes from the root “naphal,” meaning These fallen or fallen ones,

    The Hebrew to English translations say that the word Nephilim means Giant. But Hebrew for “Those Fallen” is אלה הנופלים.

    In Hebrew a simple noun is composed of the two or three letters of its root. Other nouns are derived from this root by placing specific letters as fixes (prefixes, infixes or suffixes) to the root. Often two nouns are put together to form one idea.

    It is pronounced “Hey-Npylym” Or Those “Nephilim”

    The letters ים contained in הנופלים as a suffix means Means “Day” and the ם means they are masculine. The ים is a duel Plural
    The word אלה (Those) used as a pronoun means “those ones” but also mean as a noun Oath, Imprecation, curse

    So Those ones who were Divine and of the day (light) and who are cursed by the spoken word (of God)…Fallen Angels.

    Human men (regardless of how righteous they are) and Human women can never produce mighty men.

    God was upset with this union because He had created everything to have offspring (seed)after it’s kind.

    In Job, God asked him if he was there when the Sons of God shouted for joy. God was speaking of when he laid the foundations of the Earth. Long before man was formed.

    Job 38:7
    When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    He could only be speaking of the heavenly hosts..angels
    Humans didn’t witness creation—The Angels did.

    Men wanted to rape two angels

    Genesis 19:1-11
    1. And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

    2. And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night

    3. And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

    4. But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

    5. And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them…Read the rest
    All in all the Sons of God in Gen. are angels.
    The word Rephaim in Hebrew is רפאים and means “Spirit” or/and “Ghost”

    In Jude the angel’s sins are compared to the sins of Sodom and Gomorrha

    Jude 1:6
    And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day

    7. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

  64. Re- Holy Spirit not a person but a Power .The Holy Spirit is not just a Power .He is the Third Person of the Holy Trinity .Like Father and Son He is also God .He is the Heart of God .And like the Father and the Son .He is worship and glorified.

  65. What! what! what! Angels as female .where does in the bible state that female angels were created by God? and where is also the part where the angels procreate .Angels are pure and have no gender .They were created for the soul purpose to adore and serve God .They have no free will and have no sex gender .There are no such a thing as Female angels .All through the scriptures ,angels are referred to as Male and not female .

    • Who is feeding you this crap? Addam is male, Eve is female, did I miss something?!?!? They are both Angels, so are you saying that they have no gender? The bible was written by man, it is a collection of the spiritual histories of the decedents of the disciples they where dead when it was being written by men. Check your logic before you comment.

  66. you don’t even know how to read the bible, or have the wrong thought when referencing what you do.

  67. You once said Jesus is a divine being, because it was passed from God. If we are all glorified in heaven, then there is food, why would heaven beings still eat food while in a glorified state?

    • jess

      We would not need food, but I think anything in heaven would be there for the enjoyment of the glorified body.

      • It would be awesome if there’s more than the choice of bread and wine traditionally. Your article here says Jesus is not divine because He had eaten food as a human before on earth, although He is the son of God, and passed from Him, though.

    • They don’t have to eat, but they can if they so choose.

  68. the tree of knowledge of good and evil is angel food, thats why satan was eating of it! even though fallen he still ate of it, because he is an angel! the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the cannabis plant today! when eve saw she could eat and become like god and the angels she ate! adam and eve had a blindness before they ate, similar to the animals! when they ate they could see! which made them accountable for sin because they knew the difference! the only way we could be saved now is through christ’s blood because unlike god man can’t live without sins being heaped up against him! because a river ran through the centre of the garden, where the cannabis was, its resin and seed collected down stream
    at the first river pison -genesis 2:12.

    this i believe is the missing meaning of the word bdellium! it is also mentioned as a word to discribe the bread from heaven that fed the israelites in the desert! it was cannabis seed (looks like corriander seed) that rained down from the mountain of god, when the cannabis flowers detected the morning dew! cannabis is a plant that likes mountains and has a resistance the extreme uv rays at high altitude! that’s why god and angels accended to mountian tops! and why worship of angels (which is forbiden) took place on high places!

    that’s what made it effective against skin cancers and other cancers! it was used in the anointing oil of moses for priests, prophets and kings! also the true anointing oil of james for healing of (believers only). not to be used on unbelievers as warned by moses! also one cannot make it for himself but someone else must make it ! and the maker must not anoint himself or anyone with it! it is a holy oil and all it touches becomes holy and must be treated as such!

    the word of the poisonous callamus is a mis-interpretation of the word Kannabosem picked up by sue bennet (i think from memory)! although i don’t agree with the cannabis christians theology or that of sue or chris bennet, i believe the truth was hidden where christains would not go looking by the evil one! the oil along with the blue dye of the priestly garments protected the priests from serious deseases from the blood of livestock!

    although oil is a symbol of the holy spirit it also has spiritual acting properties in its earthly form! that’s why only men of god whom have consecrated themselves for god should use it! especially the acting thc acid in the flower! the leaves are for the healing of the nations! although the thc acid is reported to shrink tumors!

    the cbd of the plant is an anti psychotic! and all this works on cb1 and cb2 receptors throughout the body! which are to do with the immune system! the beast has made illegal its use mostly world wide, and sick people are being thrown into prison whom are seeking its healing benefits!

    the illegality was brought about around 1930’s because it threatened big industries like fuel and wine(alcohol). also big pharma ect! the governments are into bed with all these companies! and money is the true government of the world!

    god gave us a plant for future use as a fuel of both diesel and methanol, plastics, food for the poor and starving! in fact 25000 different uses. it would of saved our planet, instead “those whom destroy the earth” are trying to hide this truth why they milk as much money out of the sick and poor as they can!

    and even now they charge us for the pollution they created making even more money from us! uncanny the carbon atom is six protons six electrons and six neutrons! but i don’t think this is the mark of the beast, but a marker of the time the beastly mark came!

    the mark might be the pentecostal church teachings of the incorrect teachings of tongues and slain in the spirit! the tongues being the fire from heaven that satan does in full view of people!

    even paul subtley warned the foolish galatians when he quoted isaiah 28(read all) where god rebukes these priests for their drunken behavior and warns he will speak in another tongue to this people and they will fall backwards be trapped captured and “taken”. they are possesed by evil spirits through the laying of hands(mark of beast) on the for heads of those recieving the mark of the beast!

    they always preaching for money and their leaders are in it for greed, they think they can buy and sell the gifts of the spirit! this was exactly what simon the sorcerer thought! beware all spirits can be giving by the laying of hands- so make sure you test the fruit of the one giving it! this is why the devil gained 3 extra crowns after he fell to earth in revelation to earth to which their are no heads for! because they don’t exist! and they are a falisfied father son holy spirit.

    and is satan setting himself up in the temple of god declaring to be god himself! the clay and metal feet of daniels vision is the silicon age!

    the two witnesses of revelation and jeremiah are represented as two olive trees that drip oil into a bowl that has feeder tubes to the seven lamps-which are the seven churches! these two will bring back the anointing oil represented as olive because of the latter change not given away the vision till latter days!

    the small scroll is the book of enoch now available today being the missing book of the proclaimed verse in Jude 1:14 Jude 1:14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them ect. the only other verses in the bible are in Genesis 5:24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more! which doesn’t describe enoch as a prophet or what he prophesied!

    get a Ethiopian version pre 1600 version- a certain queen made four forgeries by memory after this date by memory! the beast that the pentecostal prostitute sits on is america, the lions mouth representing its english tongue, the body of a leopard representing the african slaves as it work body and feet of a bear representing the concurred american indians also of the land the feet touch! the two witnesses will come in mourning because of the abomination that causes desolation of the church because satan makes the church of god behave so foolishly to deter any man with any wisdom from coming into her!

    pentecostals must have the mark of the beast 6-man representative instead of father 6- man representative instead of son 6-man representative instead of holy spirit removed before the angels come which is an evil spirit they received during the laying of hands and receive gods true holy spirit in its place! otherwise this spirit will return with more! the witnesses will also wear hemp in protest which is the modern representative of sackcloth- not goatskin of the old time prophets as scholars seem to think.

    how else are even the elite christains going to be fooled (if possible)!
    the other descriptions are too obvious! two witnesses will be persecuted by christians as well as other powerful bodies!

    please test all i say look in the bible and look at pub med double blind trials done on cannabis and du pont history, henry aslinger cannabis prohibition!

    sorry marrianne for posting so much, this is urgent to post somewhere as more a complete picture! as i will have to move in live in my van and maybe no more net connection! because it looks like my wife, long friend and partner and i will be parting marriage because my wife wants to further her career and her carrer deals with some of the industries mentioned in intellectual property!

    and have the freedom of travel and that i am too suspicious and plus detrimental to her own christian and ethic beliefs! and besides i don’t blame her because i was dependant on her as i have been injured after being run down as a pedestrian by a car ( my wife also) but she could maintain her work!

    i am sad because i am losing everything and this cup is almost too much to bear! i haven’t slept for two nights and eat for three days! not because of fasting but just sheer grief!

    so please everyone pray for me for strength and guidance even if you debunk me as a false prophet so i can be rescued by the lord and correct any errors i may have! i make note of the sites i post so i can do this!

    ps dont take me as one of the two witnesses! i am not! but i do think they must be soon to reveal themselves! this is for them!

    thankyou!
    davep

    • dear dave

      thank you for sharing all that. I am concerned for your personal situation, and I am putting you on my prayer list for restoration of all things, and for God to guide you and take care of you during this sad time for you. You are not alone. God and his angels surround you.

  69. thankyou very much Marianne,
    your prayer must of done something because my wife has done a 180
    and wanted to make up, so good on ya for the prayer!

  70. also in context with my beast interpretation and the anointing oil! i wanted to draw attention to the curious Jacob’s Pillar Stone, Long resided as the Coronation Stone in St. Edward’s Chapel in Westminister Abbey in Britain.
    so look up, its quite interesting!

  71. one of the problems with my theology of the manna from heaven being cannabis seed is how it was provided in twice the portion before the sabbath and none on the sabbath! i tried looking for data about the cannabis plant seed fall behaviour to no avail! even going as far as to look at lunar settings. so clearly i am wrong, or god still used a planned natural event planned perhaps even right at the beginning creation- which i still consider a miracle! or god provided the seed miraculously each day at a time, which is possible! if anyone can find out the meaning of the hidden manna of revelation it will go along way to proving whether or not i am on the right track or not!

  72. i know where the hidden manna is, it is here on earth. because if it was in heaven no-one could ascend and descend to retrieve it! so if it is hidden it must be under our noses!

  73. Angels that dwell in the body of a human are called “earth angels”. They come into the human body through a process called “swapping”. The child’s spirit is ascended to heaven and the angel spirit descends from heaven.

    • angel of Thyatira,
      Your message of earth angels and swapping, has a new age mystical bent to it! If you were an angel of God, then you fully understand I am to test “all spirits” under the command given by the Lord! And that even Satan masquerades as an angel of light! So please, enlighten me with your story, so I may examine you closely- because you speak of things I know not!

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