Anti-Zionism – Jewish self–betrayal
This is the oddest phenomenon I have ever seen. (NETUREI KARTA: a group of orthodox Jews who oppose the Zionist – Jewish state of Israel )
Orthodox position on Zionism, based on a literal form of midrash (biblical interpretation). Citing to Tractate Kesubos 111a of the Talmud Teitelbaum states that God and the Jewish people exchanged three oaths at the time of the Jews’ exile from ancient Israel:
1. That the Jewish people would not ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force;
2. That the Jewish people would not rebel against the governments of countries in which they lived (they are safer this way);
3. That the Jewish people would not, by their sins, prolong the coming of the Jewish Messiah.
Jewish anti-Zionists somehow really believe they are supposed to stay in exile, until some moment when the Messiah comes first, obviously to an Arab state, since they are not there, cleans out the place, and then it is safe to return home. They have not read their own Bibles. They think the Messiah, not God, will re-gather the Jews to Israel.
I personally do not believe such a conversation between God and the Jews occurred. Reasons:
1. When an invading army is coming in to kill you, there is no time for a discussion with anyone, including God. Since Israel was being punished for idolatry at the time, it is not reasonable that they were communing with the real God over anything.
2.. Also, since God has at many times told the Jewish people to fight for their land, it is inconsistent for God to change his mind, and tell them not to use necessary force to defend Israel.
3. Their sins have not prolonged the coming of the Messiah as much as their unbelief. Jesus said his return would be dependent upon their calling upon the name of the true God Yahweh. Also, he also predicted the Messianic redemption would only come after they were dispersed again, and then re-gathered in the end times to form the Jewish state of Israel again (prophesy of the fig tree). So to oppose the re-gathering of the exiles is to defy God’s plan to restore Israel. According to prophecies, the Branch, the Messiah, will come to save Judah from its enemies. He cannot do this, if they are not there…!!!!!
4. In the Bible, there is NO place that says it is the Messiah, not God Almighty, that re-gathers the Jews to Israel. Every place it mentions the ingathering, God is speaking Himself, about what HE will do. Again, according to prophecies, the Branch, the Messiah, will come to save Judah from its enemies. He cannot do this if they are not there already…!!!!!
Western world, opposition to Zionism has often focused on the United Kingdom since it was the UK’s decision to create a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
The decision was controversial from the start as some British people believed the Balfour declaration undermined Britain’s relationship with Muslims in the Middle East and India. Of course, Arab oil is important. People sell their souls and let innocent people die for it. When your nation, as a whole, has turned its back on God, then you will be open for every kind of evil and deception. You will become a fool, and a tool for Satan to use.
Racism was widespread at this time and many racists regarded British support for Jews or Zionists as undesirable. Between 1919 and 1939 the British government steadily reduced its support for Zionism. In 1939 Britain formally announced its intention to create an Arab state in the whole of Palestine, ending its support for the Balfour declaration.
There was little opposition to Zionism in other countries but as Arab states became independent the desire to maintain positive relations with Arab states has often affected attitudes to Zionism.
Although supporting the creation of Israel, from 1949 onwards, Communist countries adopted increasingly anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic positions.
Anti-Zionist Jews know this is anti-Semitism, and has nothing to do with Israel defending itself against the Palestinians.
But they have chosen to play it safe by going along with it, and pretending it is ok. They want to follow the practice of appeasement and submission to gain acceptance, and avoid persecution. But when they do this, they advocate the persecution of their fellow Jews.
Message to anti-Zionist Jews:
Put away oral traditions before they get you killed. God is a Zionist.
Read your prophets.
Read the original prophesies.
Stop making fools of yourselves. Quit the self–flagellation and masochism, and get some guts.
The remnant is predicted to be strong, not weak, in the face of its enemies. Zechariah describes the leaders of Judah as a firepan in a woodpile, like a fiery torch in the sheeves. The people will be like a fortified bronze wall (Jer 16). They will fight the enemies, and they will prevail. There is no slave mentality here.
Stop kissing the feet of your enemies.
Stop making a fool of Hashem, Yahweh, your God, and making him look like he is contradicting Himself.
Even Christians understand end time events predicted by your prophets better than you do.
You want to be accepted and not destroyed by your enemies. You know appeasement has NEVER worked in your history with your enemies. Appeasement empowers them over you. Look at just the past 2000 years of appeasement with civil authorities. All the Jews ever did was suffer and die.
Get the message that God has been speaking to you for 4000 years………. trust and serve God, not man!!!!!
Anti-Zionism – Roman and Christian (Western) roots…… Click here for more
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Anti-Zionism – Jewish self–betrayal « Heaven Awaits said this on April 8, 2008 at 5:00 pm |
Have a good look at ZEITGEIST movie, regarding 2012, christianity etc.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Have a look at ZEITGEIST movie,
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Oy, you are too worried and obsessing about nothing that YOU can control! Go read the Bible and dream of Heaven. God has a plan, not one person knows what it is, including Dobson. The Jews will wait for the one they believe in while you wait for JC to come back to Israel, in the meantime, relax, you have no control, love your kids
and put this energy into something positive…
The Messaih was supposed to appear in Medina and he did, His name was Mohammad and he is Allahs last prophet. Jews at the time were waiting for it to happen but when they realized that the Messaih was not from People of Isreali but from the ignorant, idol worshipping Quresh, they were not willing to accept him although they knew it better then anyone else. They had the signs but they chose to ignore them because of arrogance and the belief that they are better then all others. Allah dislikes nothing more then arrogance.
The people of israel were the ones who cast a magic spell on the prophet from which he was liberated by divine intervention. They were the ones who funded Quresh of Makkah to oppose and fight MOhammad, and when Khyber was won, makkah fell without a fight (Khyber was the place where most influential jews lived and funded the war on Islam by Makkan Quresh).
The Messiah was born but Zionists are still waiting because they cannot believe that the messaih was not from among them.
It is the Zionists who are betrayed Judaism and not the other way around. It was Tamrud that was created while jews were persecuted by Babylonian regime and then replaces the Torah for many. Zionists are the “Self-Betraying Jews”. Do some research, we are not stupid that someone can just shove this sort of BS on us.
Put your energy into something positive. Some good jewish Rabbis haves realised what all this war and fighting brings nothing but misery on both sides and no one is happy but the fat cats at the top selling weapons and putting you foot soldiers on the front line to DIE!! As if your life wasn’t precious enough. Stop fighting and grow up and put your energy into good things to help everyone.
Dear Eddy
Zionism is God’s plan to return the Jews to Israel. The Jews have really suffered at the hands of the surrounding Arab neighbors. I am not fighting them. I am encouraging them to continue on and not give into their enemies.
see here:
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/zionism-man%E2%80%99s-idea-or-god%E2%80%99s-plan/
blessings
marianne
Dear AJ
I am so sorry I missed your comment earlier. Usually I get an email with the comment. Somehow, the system missed yours.
Zionism is God’s plan to return the Jews to Israel. The Jews have really suffered at the hands of the surrounding Arab neighbors. I am not fighting them. I am encouraging them to continue on and not give into their enemies.
see here:
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/zionism-man%E2%80%99s-idea-or-god%E2%80%99s-plan/
blessings
marianne
Zionism is hitler’s continuation of whatever, do not hypocrite the word of God.
hi the only one with sense here,
I guess you disagree with me. The bible does support the return of the Jews in the last days, which we are in now.
This is how I see it now:
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/zionism-man%E2%80%99s-idea-or-god%E2%80%99s-plan/
Hopefully, this link will help.
blessings
marianne
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yahudi menentang yahudi - Page 2 - KompasForum said this on February 26, 2009 at 7:49 am |
Greetings and Allahs mercy to all Muslims, and Non-Muslims
I am going to argue on the basis of anti-zionism today.
1. Your records/history up there goes back almost 2100 years ago, you are going to try and enforce something that happened over 21 centuries ago? I am not saying that whatever you have written above is either true, or false, but it happened a very very long time ago. If you want to argue about what happened hundreds of years ago, I can tell you the story of Zachariyah (Peace be upon him), when the jews cut his body in half, from the torso upwards. Or the amount of hatred the jews had for our beloved prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
2. Israel has been put there by the UK to propogate and destroy Palestine, as part of the Zionist regime
The Zionists want to destroy Palestine, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and the rest of the middle east, what is happening around us today? Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and some parts of the middle east have been invaded by the Zionists, h=and they have stolen oil, money, and brought many calamities upon innocents
Why do the zionists want control of the middle east? Because, as stated in many books, the antichrist will emerge from the middle east, from zion, hence the name zionists
And you, as jews, and christians, and people of the books, you are going to follow these people?
The zionists will be the ones on one side of the army, and the jews, christians, and muslims will be of the other army, and we will fight the antichrist, yet Marianne, you are promoting the zionists?
3. The jewish people and the christian people have been divided a lot, there are many sects within the jewish and christian religion, only one of each of these sects will assists the muslims in the great war, likewise, there will be 72 sects within islam when the antichrist comes, but only one of them will fight. So, correct yourselves before you correct others
The christian, and jewish religions have been infiltrated countles times, and the original scripts have been altered to mislead you, by the zionists
The only true script which remains is the Qur’an
So try and learn and study some of our religion, then you will see the peace it brings, all muslims should be terrified by the great war, and all muslims should pray to Allah and ask for his forgiveness, and ask him that not even his grandchildren are born in the time of the antichrist, this is said clearly in many texts.
So, Marianne, unless you are a non christian, and you want to follow these Zionists, get your facts right, for the sake of Argument
The rockafellers, and worth $50,000,000,000,000 (50 trillion), do you know the head of there family is a zionist?
He locks himself in a room for 6 hours a day, meditating with satan, and asking him what to do. The satan tells him what to do, and he does it for him. This is zionist culture
They are luciferian
And it is proven, google it
And many of the followers of the books choose to follow these people, and not follow their books
Hi Khan,
I answered you here:
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/anti-zionism-ancient-arab-roots/#comments
blessings
marianne
This comment That “Anti-Zionism is the self betrayel of the Jews”, is without any validity, and void of both historical and biblical fact. Contrary to your opinion, God’s word does instruct the Jewish people to wait in their dispersed lands for him, (the Messiah) to regather Israel “a second time” (Isa.11:11)
The Jews were all regathered at the time of Christ, from both the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity. That was the “first time”
When Isa 11:11 speaks of a “second Time” (KJV) it is in regards to the dispersion of seventy A.D., of which Christ predicted that he would leave their House desolate unto them, for their killing him.
The Zionist Jews are mostly of the tribe of Dan,(the Eagle in Numb.2) and are anti-christly in their world view. (That is why they are not included in the 144,000 “firstfruits” as seen in Revelation, chapter 7, chapt.12, and chapt.14)
They have in 1948,set up the ” Illegal State of Israel” and will bring about the antichrist, for the purpose of ruling the world, and ridding it of christianity, and orthodox Jewry.
You obviously have not done your homework on this issue, thats why you have this topic “upside-down”
Visit my webesite,(google Sorensen ministries, or and get yourself a copy of my book “None Dare Call It Deception”
Morgan Sorensen
Hi Morgan
If all Israel had been re-gathered at the time of Christ, why did he instruct his apostles to go first to the lost sheep of Israel? While Jesus was here, he had an opportunity to visit all of Israel, so these were in outside lands. The apostles were to go to outside lands and reach the rest of the Jews.
The epistles of james speaks of all 12 tribes scattered:
Jam 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Peter also has to go outside the country:
1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
I do not see why all Jews in Israel are considered from the tribe of Dan. How do you biologically identity someone from Dan?
Each seems to be aware of his genealogy and heritage. This includes the Levites and Cohanim, who are there as well. They have DNA testing now for the Cohen marker.
These are just my thoughts.
blessings
marianne
Marianne, When Christ instructed the disciples, it was one of “limitaion”. Jesus said Go Not to the Heathen, nor to the Samaritans, but to the “lost sheep” of the house of Israel.
This was a limitation. They were Not to go outside the land of Israel, and not even to their half kin the Samaritans.
(Why ? because all the house of Israel was already gathered at that time , they were Not in outside lands) The refference to the Samaritan woman in the scriptures, is there only because the Samaritans lived inside the borders of Israel. None of Jesus’s travels took him outside of Israel.
This is why you find Christ “refusing” the Syro phoenecian woman, by telling her that the bread (of healing) was to the Jews, and not to be given to the “dogs”, (the Gentiles) but she immediatly by faith realizing who Jesus was, told him that “the dogs” eat the crumbs that fall off the table, and thereby “forced” Jesus by faith, to heal her daughter.
The same with the centurion.
Notice in Jn.12:20-22 , certain Greeks came and desired to have an audience with Jesus, but no such audience took place. Why, because it was beforehand determined by God, that the Gospel would ‘first” be preached to the Jews, and only after they had rejected the Messiah and the message, would it go to the Gentiles.
Notice also, that Peter’s visit to Cornelius’s house,was over eight years after the outpouring on the feast of pentecost, and only then, by the leading of the Holy Spirit in a vission does Peter go , fulfilling Christs prediction, that He (Peter) was to be the first (Peter had the key) to “Open the door” and witness to the Gentiles.
James the half brother of Jesus, and the “head pastor” in Jerusalem, wrote his epistle about A.d. 45/46, at which time the church had allready been under severe persecution (by the Zionists, who killed Jesus) for over 15 years, and his greeting is first and foremost a greeting as a “servant of God and of Jesus Christ”, to christian saints scattered abroad by this persecution, and of course including all of the twelve tribes as such.
Peter had had a miracolous “Jailbreak” and had to flee Jerusalem, as he was the “Number one” on the Roman fugitive “wanted list”. The guards who watched over him were killed !!! There was a big prize on Peter’s head.
Peter, never went to Rome, was never crucified “Up-side down”, but after a short visit in Asia minor, fled to Babylon in Shinar.( present day Iraq) He wrote both his Epistles from there, and was addressing the Saints, both Jews and Gentiles, as Saints were regarded as “strangers” in the World.
Concerning the tribe of Dan and Zionists, I did not mean that all Jews, or even all “Zionists” are of the tribe of Dan. And I should probably have worded that differently.
When you examine the 2nd Chapter of Numbers, you will discover that the twelve tribes camped on four sides of the Tabernacle in the wilderness. That means that there were three tribes per each of the four sides. Yet there was only one “ensign”(flag) per side, of the four sides. This means, as that passage indicates,
that one tribe represented itself, and two other tribes, with one flag. Judah, on the east side, represented itself (with the flag of a Lion) and also represented Issachar and Zebulon,etc,etc.
It is in this manner, that the tribe of Dan, “heads up” the despicable and murderous Zionist movement. For example, the Rothschilds (and American Rothschilds called Rockefellers) are all Dan-ites. of course, many other Jewish tribes are sold out to their agenda, so are many so called christians, who espouse “Zionism”, such as the reprobate John Hagee, (divorced because of His adultery, and remarried, yet still in the pulpit) who preaches a second “door” for the Jews into the Kingdom, when Acts.3:20-26 makes it clear, that also the Jews must enter through Christ, or be “Cut off”.
Hope this clarifies the issue
Regards,
Morgan Sorensen
Hi Morgan
I see the 12 tribes abroad, as those who need to hear the gospel (unsaved). So this would mean not all Israel was inside the country at the time of Jesus. Even when the first aliyah occurred from Babylon, not all Jews returned to Israel. A problem Nehemiah had. Many remained behind in Babylon. So they were outside the country when Jesus came.
how do you know Peter was in Shinar? I thought he stayed in Jerusalem, and let Paul and the others travel around. I would assume that the strangers he wrote to were people he never met, which is why they were strangers, and not friends.
blessings
marianne
Marianne, I did not mean that every single living Jew was back in Israel at the time of Christ, because that was not possible, and the scriptures verify that, with those coming “from abraod” for the three major feasts. What I meant was that significant numbers of EVERY tribe was represented, so that they could not “escape” the fact, that God had given ALL of ISRAEL a chance to accept the Messiah.
How do I know Peter was in Babylon ? Both Historic and biblical.
If you will look at 1.Pet.5:13, and read his “salutation” you will have the biblical evidence. ythe historic evidence is a little harder to come by, but it is available, if one takes the time to dig for it.
As for the word “strangers”, you will find it a common conotation used about Christians by some of the early church historians, I cannot remember any right now, also if you look at 1.Pet.2:11 , it probably will clarify your thinking, as to what he means with the word “strangers”.
Also the last half of Heb. chapt.11 is a good place to begin, in understanding how the early Christians were “outcasts”
Vist my web site if you have the time, it is not elaborate like your site as it is quite new. I think you would benefit from reading my book,”None Dare Call It Deception”
Regards,
Morgan Sorensen
leave the palestinians alone to f**k get out of there country yous didnt like it when hitler banished you so think of it that way. now israelis are just as bad as hitler
rabbies-fanatics almost disfigured Jewish people when Haskala and its consecuence-Zionism-saved remnants of our people.This ugly creatures are ridiculose,but there are masses of mercenary succesful Jewish antisemites-frieds of any Jew`s enemies
Hi Boris,
I do not quite understand your conclusion. Do you favor zionism, or do you oppose it? thank you.
HI Boris,
I am still trying to understand your views. You said:
do you favor Jews? yes or no
do you favor Zionism yes or no
do you say jews hurt you? yes or no
do you say Jews help you? yes or no
thank you
Marianne:
A video on Ahmadinejad meeting with Anti-Zionis Jews for your bloggers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xA1DbBAcOQ
Kittii
HI Kitti,
This is the most horrendous thing I can think of. These Jews have totally lost their minds, their self respect, respect for suffering Jews in Israel, and the true interpretation of scripture.
Marianne, This is not Horrendous at all. These are the “true Jews”, who are patiently waiting for the Messiah. These are the “elect Jews”, whom Christ was refering to in Mt.24:30-31, that He is going to send His angels to gather “after the tribulation of those days”.
Your Idea that “Zionism” is good, is a misrepresentation of facts. As Zionism is the horendous “Antichristly” religious system ,that will bring about the personal Antichrist and the one world Govt. system that the Bible calls the “Tribulation”.
Zionism, today controls All world banking, major food production, all news media in teh world, controls most Governments through their control of the world masonic system, and are predicted in scripture to cause a “depopulation” of the earth of one third. This “murderous” group of fanatic Jews, and non-Jews alike, have been involved in every major war since long before the time of Christ. (If you read about Hanibal, and realize that he was Jewish, as was his “employer” Quintus Fabius Maximus, then that whole historic era will come into proper perspective)
Here are just a few “Zionist atrocities” since the 1700’s, that they “money’ed and managed”
The French revolution, and the murder of 3 million inocent people.
The American revolution with all it’s political and financial ramifications.
The Napolionic era, and its “test” for world control.
The American civil war, the “reconstruction”, and the ‘wiping out’ of the American Indians.
The first world war, and the re-aranging of european borders.
The second world war,(and second test of world cotrol) and the holocaust. (which was the brain child of Rothschild and Ben Gurion,in their heinous plan to set up the illegal state of Israel,(1948) as we have it today.
Every major war and “conflict” since then, has been the work of the “Zionists” and their “United Nations” (owned and controlled by the Rothschilds/Rockefellers) and they will continue to do so until they have totally enslaved all humans in the one world Government they are planning, as they want to “own the earth”
But God says to them, that even if they “make their abode amongst the stars”, (the space program, is Zionist owned and operated) even from, there God will bring them down.
Marianne, if “Zionism” that controls Israel today is good, why is it that if you witness to a Jew in Israel today, you get thrown in jail ? Next Question; Does God love All people of teh earth ? If so, does God not hate the atrocities carried out by the “Zionists” against the Palistinians ?
How could the Murderer “Ariel Sharon”, (the “butcher of Sabra”) become prime minister of Israel, when he and his men were guilty of killing over 20,000 Palistinian women and Children ?
Do you condone this bastardly behaviour ? Why has not this bastsrd been tried for crimes against humanity, as the Serbian leader was ?(even though he was guilty of less than half of what Sharon was guilty of) Sharon is still alive is’nt he ?
Marianne, I think you need to re-think your position on this, as what you hold to, does not “square-up” with historic fact, or the word of God. “Zionism” is a religion of murder and extinction, and they are the purpetrators of all these crimes against humanity in our day, as they control everything.
The “orthodox Jews” have for centuries suffered at the hands of these “Zionists”. Go to “you tube’ and check out the protests of “orthodox Jews against Zionism” in New York some time ago, and listen to their message, Those are God’s chosen people ! ! !
Morgan Sorensen
Hi Morgan
I think the inappropriate assignment of blame for world events to the Jews/Zionists is a conspiracy of anti-Semites, and the Jews are innocent of these charges.
If Zionism really controlled the world, Israel would be a lot more popular.
Marianne, I am surprised at your expressed ignorance of history.
Zionism today does control all world banking, all world stock exchanges, all gold mines, all diamond reserves in the world, all mineral reserves in the world, all major shipping operations in the world, all major shipping lanes (canals) in the western world.
They own the “Crimean” oilfields in Russia (1917) they own the “north sea” oilfields, (by banking manipulations) They “took over” the “mid east oil fields” back in 1915. The Idea that the Saudi Arabian sheiks, and that Iran “own the oil”, is a “smoke screen” to cover up the real owners, the Zionists. ( I challenge you to go check it out, not here in the States, but much info is available in Canada, and also overseas.)
They own every “central bank” in the entire world,(including the ownership of the illegal ‘Federal Reserve’ here in the U.S., which is not “federal” at all, but a private “central bank”)
If you will take the time to do some Historic research, you will discover that your above comment is not factual, and not even “logical” in light of very open and disturbing evidence of their world control. No wonder the Bible says that “as a snare it shall come upon all the world”, because most people live in the same ignorance of the truth as you do, as well as the fact that the continual Zionist propaganda machine, disinforms the public, not to mention that they also “control” almost all publishing, copy editing, proof reading, and the like, by Copyright and “ISBN” markings, as well as inventing and owning the internet an all major news media.
Marianne, you really need to get a grip on these facts. The cliche “anti-semitism” was coined by these scoundrels, and they use it for, or against at will. Considder this almost 50 million “orthodox Jews”, who oppose Zionism, cannot all be wrong !
Morgan Sorensen
Morgan
History according to WHO?
ALl through history there has been antisemitism. It sounds like you are reading the wrong history sources. There are lies and slander everywhere, to digest, and poison oneself with.
Jews were blamed for the banking crisis in Germany, and none of them had anything to do with it, but they got thrown into gas chambers anyhow.
For one thing, Jews are a tiny % of the world population. Most of them are poor, or average in income. They concentrate in music, education, law, science, computer technology, theological studies, medicine,….not that many in business.
Go to ISrael sometimes….even where they should flourish the most, Israeli businessmen are not rich. THey are just average.
You have some terrible misconceptions about these people, gleaned from reading corrupt sources. Please read sources that are more fair to them.
By the way, there is not “50 million Orthodox Jews”
THere are only 13 million Jews in the world.
Only 11% of American Jews are Orthodox. about 800,000
About 50% of Israeli Jews are Orthodox…..4 million…..and they live in Israel, showing they approve of state of Israel being there.
Marianne, the above was suposed to read five million.(My daughter was talking to me as I was typing, and I guess the distraction caused me to add the zero)
Any way,… to answer your comments. Yes, the poor Jews were wrongfully blamed for the banking crises, but the “rich Jews”, particularly the “house of Rothschild”, that owned the central bank in Frankfurt,(the Reichsbank) were the actual perpetrators, and Did cause the German banking crises. That is Historic fact.
(See how “brilliant” these Zionist’s were; They cause the banking crises, then blame it on the Jews, who get persecuted and eventually killed in a “Zionist planned Holocaust”, while these murderers sit “protected” in their mansions, and command,by their money, the politics of that time.)
What’s more, the “Jewish residence” on “liberstrasse 15″ was where Hitler got his “marching orders”. All his main “advisors” were Jewish.
All of the 100 octane “aircraft fuel” that was needed for the first 3½ years of Hitler’s air war, came from Caracas, Venezuela, and was called “ESSO”, (which stands for “Eastern States Standard Oil) this was owned by the Rockefeller’s, who at the time, also had 50% “ownership” in the German “Reichsbank”. You want to tell me, that the Rockefellers did Not know what was going on in Germany ?
And any way, why were the Rockefellers,as Americans, supplying fuel to our enemy ?
Why did Allan Dulles,(an illegitimate rockefeller) sit out the 2nd World War in Switzerland, collecting payment for the Rockefeller petroleum from Nazi Germany ? I could sit here all day long, asking you questions, that you would not be able to answer about the Zionists.
They have re-written History, and No it is not I that am reading the wrong History, but you, Marianne. For example; History tells us that “the comunist manifesto” was written by “Karl Marx” in 1848, and I am sure you would concur with that, as it comes right out of the “official” and supposedly “correct” Zionist controlled media.
Truth is; (and you can check this out if you will) that the “manifesto”, as it was originally called, was written by Clinton L. Rosevelt, here in U.S. and incorporated into the Southern New York State Library of Congress catalog, in the summer of 1841, (seven years before it was published as “the Comunist manifesto” in 1848)
What’s more important, was that this “Jewish Zionist”, headed up the (now infamous) Tammany Hall, (the most powerfull machine inside the democratic party) and He just happened to have six relatives, who had become, or were to become Presidents of these United States. Both Presidents Adams, President Polk, President van Buren, and both Presidents Roosevelt. (so much for free and fair elections) and He belonged to a “minority group”,(Jewish) that made up less than one percent (!) of the U.S. population, (How was that possible ? you go figure, Marianne)
It is obvious, that you are the one not reading true history here. Every social evil in the last 100 years, fom drugs to pornography, is controlled by the Zionists, that is a fact you cannot deny ! ! !
I am sorry,Marianne, but you are the one with the terrible misconceptions, and not me.
Your analogy of Israeli businessmen not being wealthy, is somewhat flawed,as you are obviously not speaking of the major business owners, that do not live in Israel, but Switzerland, France, Germany, South Africa, and the U.S.
You really need to rethink this, Marianne.
Morgan Sorensen
Marianne, a good place for you to begin your “historic education”,
is toy visit a “Jewish” expositor of teh Zionists, Jeff Rense.
Just google and begin your education. Next go to , and there will be links to many more.
Morgan Sorensen
dear morgan
Rockefeller was a Christian, not a Jew
Rothschild was a philanthropist. So he supported Israel. So what? I am glad he did. There was nothing wrong with establishing Israel. It was a place of refuge for Jews. You have no proof he betrayed his own people.
Hitler had his own ideas. He did not get them from Rothschild. He got him from Martin Luther, who hated Jews.
Karl Marx was a Lutheran.
Franklin D. Roosevelt was an Episcopalian.
Being Jewish is not a sin.
There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, and there is nothing wrong with Zionism. There is nothing wrong with Israel, except that her enemies have hated her for 4000 years.
marianne, are you really this ignorant, or are you just playing “dumb”?
The Rockefeller’s are Jewish. Christianity is not a Race, but a belief. You know better than to pull this stunt.
Many Zionist Jews “convert” to some sort of “christian faith” to hide their identity. (Allan and Foster Dulles were “Methodists”, but Jewish nonetheless)
All the Rothschilds, are Jewish. Being a philantropist does not denote your race or ethnicity. And yes, the Rothschilds have committed treasonous murders on their own people.
Israel is first of all not a refuge for Jews, as true Jews will remain in the lands that they have been dispersed, until the Meshiach returns.
According to scripture, the “appostate’ Jews will outnumber the true Jews 2 to 1 in modern Israel, when Christ returns for the Battle of Armageddon.( the one third true Jews will flee to Petra, the other two thirds will perish in Israel together with all the Zionists, who accept the mark of the Beast)
Hitler was Jewish, and was sponsored by the “Reischbank”, the Dutch (jewish) Monarchy,as well as a super wealthy dutch(Jewish)
banking house.
Karl Marx, like so many Zionists, was lutheren Yes, to hide his being a Zionist Jew. His Mothers name was Henrietta Pressburg, and she was from holland, and came from a long line of Jewish Rabbi’s. Karl Heinrich Marx’s real name was Moses Levi Mordechai.
And “your History” says He wrote the Comunist manifesto, (which is a lie) true history declares that the manifesto was written by Clinton Roosevelt. (and if you will stop believing the big lie, then get yourself a library of Congress clearance, and check it out in the southern New York State Library of Congress) Incidently, clinton Roosevelt submitted two manuscripts in the summer of 1841, the other was called “Human Government and natural Law”. Check it out , you will see I am correct, and you need to stop believing the Big Lie.
FDR was a Jew ! His episcopalian association had nothing to do with his ethnicity. You are deliberately “skirting the issue” here, Why ?
True, being Jewish is not a sin, it is a blessing. But being a Zionist, is a Curse. Jesus said to them; “Your father is the Devil, he was a murderer from the beginning ,and his lust ye will fulfill”.
I agree, There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, But, there is everything wrong with being a Zionist. Go to Rense dot com, and Power of prophecy dot com, and get yourself out of the fog.
There is everything wrong with modern Zionist Israel, that has stolen palistinian land and houses, killed inocent palistinian women and Children by the hundreds of thousands, (that if you do not condemn, then you must condone, and be as guilty before the living God, as the Zionists are, of those atrocities)
Ther is everything wrong with a Zionist Israel, that wants to,and is by biblical prediction going to, enslave the world under the Antichrist, possibly murdering 4 billion or more inocent people, and one of the reasons they will accomplish this, is because people like you, are refusing to tell the truth about Zionism. It saddens me to discover your apathy and ignorance on this issue.
Morgan
Morgan,
It does not look like we will ever agree on this.
God is zionist, and promised to bring the Jews home in the last days. Each time he has returned them to their land, which really belongs to them, not the palestinians, he has used his spirit, and man, but not a MEssiah to return them.
THe scriptures do not say that the Jews have to wait until the Messiah comes, before they can return to the land. That is a notion of some, but the bible does not say that.
Alright Marianne, you say the Bible does Not say that the Jews have to wait until the Messiah comes. So let me give you biblical proof. Jesus said, that the gathering of the “elect”(the Jews) would only happen “after” the tribulation of those days.(Mt.24:31)
Amos declared the return a “second time”, (as in “Again”, also veryfied in Isa.11:11-12) and James, the half brother of Jesus, and “Head Pastor” in Jeruasalem, confirmed that Amos.9:9-15 would be fulfilled after the “church age”, and said that all the prophets agreed with this.( Acts.15:13-18)
Here are some more passages that prove you wrong !
Isa.14:1-2, 27:12-13,43:5-6, 60:9-22, Jer.3:17-18, 16:14-16, Jer. 23:3-8, Jer.24:5-7, 50:19-20. (also Zech.12:10-12, Rom.11:25-32)
(notice Rom.11:26, as it refers to the Messiah)
Ezek.11:17-20, 16:60-63, 20:33-44, 28:25-26, 34:11-31, 36:6-38,
Ezek. chapters 37, 38, and 39
Hos.1:10-11, 3:4-5, Joel. 3, Mic.2:12-13, 4:1-8
These are just a few of the many references to Christ’s gathering of the “Jewish elect”, and definitely “after” the tribulation.
Marianne, are you going to ignore the scriptures on this, like you have ignored the truth I have given you about the Zionists ?
And by the way, God is NOT a zionist, by the modern definition of the word. As zionism, as instigated by the Rothschilds and Herzl, is an “ideology”, not connected to God, and far removed from the Torah, and totally based on the kaballah.(the eighth book of the Talmud, a religion picked up in Babylon)
Zionism is a dispicable religion of witchcraft, and “Baal worship”, (Ezek.8) and God says in Isa.9:13-16, and Ezek.11:4-12, that he will destroy these Zionists, that rule Jerusalem, and “afterward” He,(the Messiah) will gather the true Jews, back to Israel, once the detestable Zionists have been destroyed. Ezek.11:17-21. (Read it, you might learn something)
Marianne, you are right, we will never agree on these issues, as long as you refuse to believe the TRUTH.
Morgan
Morgan,
I have a question for you, if you would please take the time to explain this to me.
Why is it in Scriptures, that we find two different Zion ??
One is spelled Sion and the other is spelled Zion.
Thank you for your response.
Abigail
hi Abigail
Could I offer a reply? in Hebrew, zion is spelled with thie first letter being tsadi, or sometimes pronounced sadhi, there is really no english equivalent. Depending on who is pronouncing the letter, it will either sound like a “z” or a “s.”
צ first letter.
so some translators use the z sound, and some use the s sound.
Hi Marianne,
I do think that it is more than just a spelling and a sound.
There seems to be two very distinct mountains in the Scriptures.
For we find in:
Deu 4:48
From Aroer, which [is] by the bank of the river Arnon, even unto mount Sion, which [is] Hermon
Also known as Ba’al Hermon, Mt. Lebanon, Jabel A-talg, ‘Arqub, Hermon Massif, Hermon Slopes, Jebel esh-Sheikh, Senir, Shenir, Sion, Sirion
Mt. Hermon is the southern tip of the anti-Lebanon mountain range. Its highest peak is 9230 feet and the highest point inside Israel’s borders today is Mizpe Shelagim at 7295 feet.
And then we find in
2Ch 5:2
Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which [is] Zion
So one is Jerusalem and the other in Lebanon
Psa 133:3
As the dew of Hermon, [and as the dew] that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, [even] life for evermore
Sgs 4:8
Come with me from Lebanon, [my] spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions’ dens, from the mountains of the leopards
And then there are the verses in the new testament seven all together that speaks of Sion.
Now the new testament was apparently not written in Hebrew.
I truly think that we have here two different mountains with more or less the same name.
Hi Abigail
So what do you think the significance might be?
Hi Marianne,
Well … geography (latitude and longitude), would for one dictate its history.
The one mount is favored by The Lord and the other is a place of Baal worship.
I think that there is a masonic temple on one and not on the other.
One is judge by The Lord as evil and not the other.
I think it is most significant in the context of Zionist
and Sionist.
I would like to see Morgan’s view on this.
He seems to know a lot of history … but I think he is missing this one ingredient.
hi abigail
well, there is correct history, and correct interpretation, and there is false history, and false interpretation.
for example, I can have a post about homosexuality being a sin….someone else will write a historical statement for the world that I am “homophobic and abusive.” So who is right?
Yes I understand that some people like to attack us directly.
But I was just curious, as to what Morgan had to say on the subject of 2 Mounts bearing the same name.
We know how Satan likes to imitate the Truth.
That is why there is an anti-Christ.
Lebanon is a far cry from Jerusalem.
abigail
Morgan has not answered yet. Just keep checking back.
hi Morgan,
I would see the elect as those believers who have come to faith in the tribulation. Hopefully, the jews will be included.
Matt 24 refers to the rapture, not the physical return to Israel for the last time.
Scripture says that God, not the Messiah in the flesh, will being the Jews back to Israel, and God has done this.
Marianne, first of all, the passage of Mt.24:31 makes it clear, that only “after” the tribulation of those days, the “elect” (Obviously Jewish, as the “first Resurrection” is completed before the battle of Armageddon)will be gathered, as was predicted by the prophets. And this gathering will be by the Messiah, known as “the Branch”. (all which you seem to deny in your response) Here are some more passages to discover, that confirm that the Messiah is the one that commands the gathering of “the elect”. Isa.4:2, 11:1, Jer.23:5, 33:15, Zech.3:18, 6:12. And no, Israel has Not been gathered “a second time”, as predicted in several passages, such as Isa 11:11-12. That prophecy is still for the future, and is what Christ predicted in Mt.24:31. Sorry to tell you that you are Wrong ! Marianne, I find it ironic, that you discuss “concentration camps” in America (there are actually more that 600 of tham now completed, that can accomodate 30,000 to over 250,000 people) Who do you think constructed them, and on whose orders, and funding ? (hint; the Zionist’s, and paid for by Costco and Haliburton) Yet you say that there is nothing wrong with the Zionist’s ? Today we have in America, an illegal immigrannt, (who refuses to provide his Kenyan birth certificate, because we have a supreme court that is controlled by the Zionist’s, that refuses to hear the case) illegally sitting in the White house as the “president” of the United States. You know why ? Because of the iniquity of the Zionist’s, and their manipulation and control of the media, which has resulted in the apathy of the public. And you call this evil, good ? God gives very stern warnings in the O.T. to those who put evil for good , and good for evil. I am sadened that you do not understand this issue.Morgan
Hi Abigail,Sorry for my not responding sooner, as I have been out helping a friend cut some grass, and as he is coming a little later today, I got time to check my e-mails. (I will try to respond to Marianne later)You have the correct understanding on Sion vs. Zion. ”Sion”, as described in Deut.4:48, is mount “Hermon” also referred to as “Baal Hermon”, and is situated just south west of Damascus Syria,(aobout 30 miles) and if you draw a staight line on a map, from Damascus, west to the coastal town of ‘Tyre”, the line will cross right over Mt. Hermon. This mountain is about 95 miles north of Jerusalem, and “smack dab” in the territory of Dan. And Yes, you are also correct, that it was the center for “Baal worship” (which is what “masonry is today ) This is why only the “males” in Israel were circumcised (not for ’salvation’ as some claim, as then we would have to conclude that the women were not in God’s covenant , as they were not circumcised) but to keep the men “out of” the Baal orgies, in which they danced around an “obelisk” and “flipped up” the “apron” that they were wearing to reveal the male reproductive organ,(the god of this world) which of course would identify the Hebrews, and get them killed. So circumcission, was God’s way of preventing the Hebrew men of worshipping “other god’s” ”Sion” in the N.T. always refers to “Zion”, which is Jerusalem. (the City of David) Zion is actually the name of one of the five “major” hills,(of seven) that Jerusalem was built upon. This is the City referred to in Rev.17:9, about the woman who sits on seven hills, and denotes modern day Zionism,(which will bring about the Antichrist, through the U.N.) and the reason for Johns “astonishment”. (and not the city of Rome, as the Vatican is outside the seven hills that Rome proper is located on.) Those five major hills are; Zion, Akra, Bezetha, Moriah, and Ophel. Hope this helps, and a very good and deep question, I don’t get that very often. You sound like a serious student of the word of God, glad to meet you.
Morgan
Thank you for your response to my question concerning the two Mounts.
As for the covenant God made with Abram ‘ shall be in your flesh’ and that of every male child as an everlasting covenant.
Then The Lord changed Abram’s name to Abraham.
But please note that The Lord also changed the name of ‘Sarai’ to Sarah.
Thus making His covenant with both Abraham and Sarah.
Changing the flesh and changing the name.
But that is another discussion.
So now that we agree that there exist 2 Mounts with similar names.
I would like to continue my discourse with you concerning these two Mounts.
Is not one of them sitting at 33 degrees longitude or latitude?
Is there not a modern day Temple of freemasons on one of these?
And which one is that?
I think this important. So please be patient with me.
As for being a serious student, are we not all?
Here I have found some text concerning this Mount Sion.
Do not know how reliable this is but this site states:
Sion means “lofty,” whereas, Zion means “stronghold.” It is evident that Satan was pushing for a counterfeit of God’s plan for man’s redemption. The devil was determined to replace the “seed” of the woman with the “seed” of the serpent.
http://arewelivingintheenddays.blogspot.com/2007/01/mthermongate-of-fallen-angels.html
Abigail, I don’t know what you are trying to prove, but as to your question, mount Hermon is at Aprox. 33deg. 18 min. of Latitude, and aprox 35 deg. longditude.
Obviously, since it was The place of Baal worship in the past, it could have a masonic temple there today, but I do not know about that. Whereas in Jerusalem, there is a 33 degree Masonic Temple, for sure ! ( you might not like to hear that, but it is true , none the less.)
As for the circumcission covenant, I was Not refering to Abraham, but to God’s command to Moses in Lev.12:1-5, and it only includes the “male child”, and for the reasons I already have stated. As to your comment on being a serious student, do I detect some sarcasm ? No, not every one is a serious student, many christians I have come across, are nothing but “opinionated snobs”, but I am sure you have never experienced this, based on your comment.
Morgan
Dear Morgan,
It is not only something of the past, although it certainly has its history.
If it was only of the past I don’t think it would matter much …
And no Morgan I am not sarcastic … True christians, those that have some intellect do not wish to be deceived.
In this way we are all serious about our well paid for salvation.
Many do have opinions, I know and are certainly entitled to have such.
i have experienced many obstacles in my life.
Now back to our discussion here is my point.
Jesus Christ will rule over His Kingdom from Mount Zion in Jerusalem during the Millennium.
The Antichrist will rule over his kingdom from Mt. Sion/Mt. Hermon during the Golden Age.
1967, June 5-10 – Six-Day War: Israel captured two strategic areas for end-time scenario: Jerusalem and the Golan Heights (Mt. Hermon).
“The escalation of threats and provocations continued until June 5, 1967, when Israel launched a massive air assault that crippled Arab air capability. With air superiority protecting its ground forces, Israel controlled the Sinai peninsula within three days and then concentrated on the Jordanian frontier, capturing Jerusalem’s Old City (Subsequently annexed), and on the Syrian border, gaining the strategic Golan Heights. The war which ended on June 10, is known as the Six-Day War.” – 124:135-6
1974 – United Nations controls Mount Hermon area in Israel.
Found on map of Israel regarding Mt. Hermon area: “Area occupied by United Nations Disengagement Observer Force Since 1974″
Mt. Sion/Mt. Hermon sits at exactly 33.33′ north and 33.33′ east according to Paris.
I had links to give you which I viewed only yesterday on Yahoo but mysteriously today they are
GONE!
The King James Version of the Old Testament contains two
references to Mt. Sion – Psalm 65:1 and Deut. 4:48 which identifies
it as Mt. Hermon. In the Greek alphabet there is no letter ‘Z’;
therefore the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, changed all Hebrew spellings of ‘Zion’ to ‘Sion’. However, Strong’s Concordance shows that the Hebrew words for Zion and Sion are different and are not interchangeable.
Deuteronomy 4:48
KJV – …even unto mount Sion, which is Hermon…
#7865 Siy’on {see-ohn’} from 7863; n pr mont AV – Sion 1; 1 Sion = “lofty” 1) another name for Mount Hermon
Isaiah 33:20
KJV – Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem…
#6726 Tsiyown {tsee-yone’} the same (regularly) as 6725; TWOT – 1910; n pr loc AV – Zion 153, Sion 1; 154 Zion = “parched place” 1) another name for Jerusalem especially in the prophetic books.
The King James Version sometimes follows the Septuagint instead of the Hebrew Masoretic Text. (See: KJV Preface)
Psalm 65:1
KJV – “Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed.”
• In the Greek New Testament, the word “Sion” [#4622] does not derive from the Hebrew word for “Sion” [# 7865, siyon] referring to Mt. Hermon, but is derived from the Hebrew word for “Zion” [#6726, tsiyown] referring to Mt. Zion in Jerusalem.
Romans 11:26
KJV – And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
#4622 Sion {see-own’}of Hebrew origin 6726; TDNT – 7:292,1028; n pr loc AV – Sion 7; 7 Sion or Zion = “a parched place” 1) the hill on which the higher and more ancient part of Jerusalem was built 1a) the southwestern most and highest of the hills on which the city was built 2) often used of the entire city of Jerusalem 3) since Jerusalem because the temple stood there, was called the dwelling place of God
• These mistranslations in the KJV [ZionàSion] will allow for the Priory of Sion to exalt Mount Hermon in Dan, instead of Mount Zion in Jerusalem, as the place where God dwelt, i.e., Lucifer who dwells in Mount Sion.
Psalm 48:2
KJV – Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
Septuagint – The city of the great King is well planted on the mountains of Sion, with the joy of the whole earth, on the sides of the north.
Isaiah 14:13
KJV – How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Septuagint – …I will sit on a lofty mount on the lofty mountains towards the north.
• Those who belong to Jesus Christ will look for Him at Mount Zion in Jerusalem, rather than Mount Hermon in Dan.
But ye are come unto mount Sion*, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, – Heb. 12:22-24
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion*, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. - Rev. 14:1
*In the New Testament, the Greek word “Sion” [#4622] derives from the Hebrew word for “Zion” [# 6726] referring to Mt. Zion in Jerusalem.
There will be a pagan Temple of Solomon built on Mt. Hermon/Sion in the northern region of Dan.
Hi Abigail
So what do you think will happen? The antichrist will build his own temple on Mt Herman, and violate it there, while the Jews wait for Messiah to build one in Jerusalem?
Hi Marianne,
Ahhhh yes!
Dare I say that there is already talk amongst certain elite to more or less relocate
The Vatican under another title of course in exactly this area.
(Freemasons’ true head.)
Panias is located on the 33rd degree latitude and longitude according to the previously used French Zero Meridian. The 33rd degree, which is the highest degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, may be an allusion to Mount Hermon.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. – Rev. 13:2
We looked for peace, but no good came; and for a time of help, and behold trouble! The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come and have devoured the land and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein. – Jer. 8:15-16
How art thou fallen from heaven. 0 Lucifer, son of the morning! …for thou hast said in thine heart … I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north… I will be like the most High – Is.14:12:14
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain… – Dan.11:45
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.- Gen. 6:1-3
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. – Num. 13:33
“A curious reference in Enoch VI.6, says that…the wicked angels descended on the summit of the mountain and named it Hermon…” 170:372 ["Hermon"]
“And the angels, the children of heaven, saw them [handsome and beautiful daughters] and desired them… And they were altogether two hundred; and they descended into Ardos, which is the summit of Hermon. And they called the mount Armon, for they swore and bound one another by a curse.” 251:15 [I Enoch VI.6, vs.1-5]
“Hittite and biblical records support the use of Hermon as a dwelling place of gods…Baal-gad…and Baal-hermon…” 252:158 ["Hermon, Mount"]
“Throughout history, the idea of ‘The Watchers’ have been found in Sumeria, Peru, Egypt, Mesopotamia and Greece. “Sumerian texts repeatedly state that the Anunnaki came to Earth. The Anunnaki were four great Gods who created man: An ['Sky', the source of rain and most powerful of the gods]; Enlil ['Lord Wind', the power in 'Growing Weather']; Ninhursaga ['Lady of the Stony Ground', mother of wildlife]; and Enki [rival of Ninhursaga]. The term ‘Anunnaki’ literally means ‘from or of the sky.’ The Annunaki are regarded by some as the Sumerian ‘fates’. ‘They are spoken of in the Bible as the ‘Anakim’ and ‘Anak’ or ‘Nefilim’ (nephilum). ‘Nefilim’ (nephilum) in Hebrew means ‘giants’ or ‘those who have fallen’. For reference I offer: The King James Bible; Young’s Literal translation; HSV (Hebrew Names version); ASV (American Standard version) and RSV (Revised Standard version). Numbers 13:22, 28 & 33; Deu 1:28, 9:2… “The Watchers were a specific race of divine beings known in Hebrew as ‘nun resh ayin’ or ‘irin’ meaning ‘those who watch’ or ‘those who are awake’, which is translated into Greek as Egrhgoroi egregoris or grigori, meaning ‘watchers’. The early books of the Bible speak of some vague heavenly beings called malochim (singular, malach). Although malach is usually translated ‘angel’, its literal meaning is ‘messenger.’ “As recounted in the Dead Sea Scrolls: ‘…..In the days of Jared’, two hundred Watchers ‘descended’ on ‘Ardis’, the summit of Mount Hermon – a mythical location equated with the triple peak of Jebel esh Sheikh (9,200 feet), placed in the most northerly region of ancient Palestine. On this mountain the Watchers swear an oath and bind themselves by ‘mutual imprecations’, apparently knowing full well the consequences their actions will have both for themselves and for humanity as a whole. It is a pact commemorated in the name given to the place of their ‘fall’, for in Hebrew the word Hermon, or harem, translates as ‘curse’.” – 859
• After the Flood, Mount Hermon was still the center of Baal/Pan worship which involved human sacrifice.
“The town of Paneas is first mentioned by a Roman historian, Polivius, as a site of the battle in 200 B.C.E. between Egyptian Ptolemid and Syrian Seleucid Greeks. It was a site of a Greek pagan temple dedicated to Pan, a goat-footed god of music and goatherds.” – 327
“The cave, known as the cave of Pan, was considered the dwelling place of Pan.” – 328
“Sign of Grotto of Pan”
“The abode of the Shepherd God. It was a pagan cult which began as early as the third century before Christ. Ritual sacrifices were cast into a natural abyss reaching the underground waters at the back of the cave. If the victims disappeared in the water, it was a sign that the god had accepted the offering. If, however, signs of blood appeared in the nearby spring, the sacrifice had been rejected.” – 1110
“For centuries before Abraham’s time the mountain [Hermon] had been venerated in connection with Baal. Baal worship was the leading religion of Canaan. On most of the high peaks of the country were shrines known as ‘high places’ – the higher the holier. Here groves were planted and shrines erected for worship. Since Mount Hermon towered above all other mountains in the region, it was the chief high place, the shrine of shrines. Canaanites looked to Mount Hermon as Moslems face Mecca when they pray.” – 474:1777
“It is remarkable that Hermon was anciently encompassed by a circle of temples, all facing the summit.” – 1120:209 (“Hermon”)
• The Cave of Pan was known as the passageway to Hades/Hell.
“The Cave of Pan, which dominates the foot of Mount Hermon at Banias, was known as the passageway to Hades (Mt. 16:13-18).” – 329
“When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” – Matt. 16:13-18
Please note that the Peter they now have the ‘bones’ of in Rome
is the other Simon in the book of acts which wanted to buy The Power of The Holy Spirit.
This Simon was a sorcerer.
And that statue of him that people flock to is that Sorcerer,
yet people kiss the big toe of this terrible statue thinking in their ignorance that this is a representation of the Apostle Peter.
hi abigail
the 2 zions would make a good bible study ….would you like to author a post on my site? I would edit it to fit the usual length of my posts….I would also let you see any changes before I published it.
Hi Marianne,
You are much better at writing than I. Since english is my second language, I hope YOU post something on
the 2 Zions.
It is a good thing to educate people as much as possible, which you do very well.
Thank you for an opportunity to participate.
Hi Abigail,
I find your thoughts and study very interresting, yet at the same time, I need to point out some fundamental errors, not to rebutt what you are proposing, but to correct your foundational premise, as this might even help you to “discover more thruth’ on this issue. (as a false premise, will always end up in a erroneous conclussion) So bear with me as we look at some of the things you have proposed.
The U.N Dissengagement observer Force,(undof) is located,(as you have correctly pointed out) on Mount Hermon. and when checking out co-ordinants of mount Hermon,on my “Google Earth” the other day, it did not dawn on me until I read your comment today, that the French had their “own time” (Huere Legalè) and U.T.(universal time) So I checked out the “prime merridian” to the center of Paris, and it is 2 degrees and 20-22 minutes “east” of Greenwich.
which indicates that it is conceivable that 33deg.33min. wold be somewhere in the “mount Hermon” locale, and “kudos to you” good observation.
Now to the parts that do not pass scrutiny;
The KJV never ever followed the “Septuaginta”, as the puritans in 1604 had all manuscripts available that we have today.(we have found more copies, Yes, but no New Wording ! )
And those puritans discarded the septuagint as Fraudulent !
The Septuagint is the work of Origen and 69 other scholars in Alexandria, Egypt, and was part of the “Hexapla”, in 250 A.D.
It contains about 70% of the “Aquilla”,(Ca. 130 A.D.) and about 30% of the “Theodotan”,(Ca.190 A.D.)
I do not know what reference to ‘preface to the kJV’, and supposedly the Septuagint you are refering to, as none of my KJV’s have any such mention.
I never use the Strongs concordance, as it is heavily influenced by the “post modernist agenda” (and Zionist controlled) as well as the fact that their reference to the “masoretic text” is not the “Ben Cajjim” text, but the “lenningrad” Ben Asher text, which was the text used by Van Soden,(another zionist) in the amalgemation of the “Wescott/Hort” fraud,(today refered to as N26/27 ) which fraudulent work of Van Soden, about 50 years later, became the foundation for the “New King James Bible” (another fraudulent text) by the two scoundrels Hodges/Farstad.
(Farstad is deceased, and burning in Hell, in my opinion, and that is also where Hodges is destined, for tampering with God’s Holy Word, that is forever settled in Heaven)
Your mention of “mistranslation” concerning the KJV and the word ‘Sion”, is incorrect. There are no “mistranslations” in the KJV. Only what seems that way , as the usage of English in 1600 was at it’s apex, and words had very speciffic meaning. The unabridged Oxford dictionary has every word and it’s dating, so it is perfectly possible to find the spaciffic meaning, with a little effort.
The word Sion and Zion is interchangeable in the Old testament, and in the New Testament is always used as ‘Sion’ referring to Zion, the city of David,(earthly) and the city of God.(heavenly)
As for Ps.65:1, it clearly refers to Jerusalem, even if spelled ‘Sion’, as is clear from verse 4, referring to “God’s Holy Temple”, thus implying Jerusalem.
You suggest that the pagan “Temple of Solomon” will be built on mount Hermon. If by this you are suggesting, that it is the place where the “daily sacrifices will be instigated” as prophesied concerning the “confirming of the covenant”, (Dan9:27) and subsequent causing of the “sacrifices to cease”, and the setting up of “the abomination of desolation”, then that is an erroneous position in my opinion.
As Christ in Mt.24:15, declares the “abomination of Desolation” as spoken of by Daniel, to stand in the “Holy Place”.
Do you supose that Christ would call a pagan Temple, on mount Hermon, a “Holy Place” ? (I think Not) It seems evident, that this must refer to the Temple in Jerusalem.
In your second post, you mention the Vatican as the “true head” of Masonry. This is Not correct. As Masonry is a kabbalistic religion, (and controled by the Zionist’s.)
There are a total of 37, 33 degree lodges in the world, that control all paolitics. Two of them are here in the U.S. (the St. Charles Lodge in Boston, which was the Original Lodge) and the Lodge designed and built in Charleston, South Carolina, after the war of 1812, in which it was decided to split this country into two countries,(which did not happen) but gave us the civil war.
The Zionist’s also own and rule the Catholic Church, and have ever since Nathan or Calman Rothschild,(I forget which one) had the Vatican so in debt back in the mid 1800’s, that He demanded the Pope invite him to dinner, and feed him Kosher”. (For the longest while, the Popes have been Jews, but have hidden their ethnicity, by taking Gentile names)
Rev.13:2, is an explanation of Dan.7:1-7, and concerns 6 “end-time” nations under the Zionist controled U.N. that will be part of the antichrist “coalition”, which the Bible describes as the revived “Grecian Empire”, namely Brittain,(lion) Russia,(bear) and the four major federated oil producing “Arabic nations”, (as the four headed Leopard) who all become part of the Zionist’s universal “fourth beast”. ( just think about the Industrial era
after the civil war, “Iron” locomotives, that run on millions of miles of “iron” tracks, later on “iron” ships,that now transport all the worlds materials, then the “automobile” made of “metal” and then airplanes, made of “Metal”. then the “iron” gun, and handgun, then “Iron” canons, and now today, all military weaponry and hardware is of some kind of “metal”
Next, who owned and controled all of this ? (we used to refer to them as “robber barons”) Why, they were all Jewish! And eventually Zionists!
This is the “fourth beast” of metal with “great Iron teeth” Dan7:7, that will be ‘made up’ of the other three beasts.
(6 nations)
I have for almost 45 years now advocated that “Gog” spoken of in Ezek.38 and 39, is the personal Antichrist,(and the same person as the King of the North, in the latter part of Dan.11.) and he will be “turned Back” to the “mountains of Israel”, (where He came from in the first place) in my refuting the fraudulent “Gog is Russia” theory. It is interresting to see how mount Hermon actually might tie into this very fact.
Lastly, let me make a comment on your third post about Peter.
I do not know whose bones they have at the Vatican. But I do know, that they are Not the bones of the apostle Peter. As Peter never went to Rome !
After Peter’s miraculous Jailbreak, He was fugitive number one in the Roman Empire, and he fled to Asia minor, and later, after ministering to Cornelius’s household, came back secretly to Jerusalem,(Acts.11) and then fled to Babylon, and lived out his days in Babylon, from where he wrote both his ‘epistles’.
He died in Babylon an old man, and was never “crucified upside down” as falsely claimed by Catholic “historians”.
Morgan
Dear Morgan,
After the feast of Unleavened Bread last month, The Lord asked me: ‘What ails you?’
I must confess that all the tampering with The Holy Word of God does
vex me greatly. I do not use any of the modern translations especially not the one translated by the jesuits (douay).
The only foundation in writing that a person can rely upon, even that has been modified and twisted and entire chapters wiped out etc…
This does break my heart!! And angers me deeply!
Until a few months ago I had no idea that Luciferians existed. And it is The Holy Spirit that led me to search this out.
I actually started with the dictionary and soon was reading Albert Pike.
Here is what I have Found
Pike’s right-hand man was Phileas Walder, from Switzerland, who was a former Lutheran minister, a Masonic leader, occultist, and spiritualist. Pike also worked closely with Giusseppe Mazzini of Italy (1805-1872) who was a 33rd degree Mason, who became head of the Illuminati in 1834, and who founded the Mafia in 1860. Together with Mazzini, Lord Henry Palmerston of England (1784-1865, 33rd degree Mason), and Otto von Bismarck from Germany (1815-1898, 33rd degree Mason), Albert Pike intended to use the Palladian Rite to create a Satanic umbrella group that would tie all Masonic groups together.
Albert Pike died on April 2, 1891, and was buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, although the corpse of Pike currently lies in the headquarters of the Council of the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in Washington, D.C.
“The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.”
“The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.
“The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”
Now as for the vatican, it is the Luciferians who rules, The U.N., the Club of Rome, and on and on it goes …
That the masks that everyone wears be removed, I think we would see only two kinds ‘ the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman’
The kingdoms of the world in Daniel starts with Babylon and ends with Babylon.
So it is very hard to avoid it since it has always covered the entire globe.
Called by different names like the persian empire or the grecian empire or the roman empire with all of its’ attributes it is still the body of Babylon!
Very Correct, Abigail. I studied Albert Pike over 36 years ago, and when reading “Morals and Dogma”, had to put it down very often and “fill myself” with the Word of God, as that ‘Satanic garbage’ was getting to my spirit.
Albert Pike wrote 16 or 17 of the 33 degrees in Scottish rite masonry, and he spoke 19 diferent languages, including “ancient Egyptian”. (he was definitely demonic)
Incidently, the “Illuminati”, which was founded by Adam Weishaupt
(a Jew) and funded by the Rothschilds, is the “governing body” over all the masonic orders,(that is; the ‘ultimate thirteen’ inside the Illuminati) including Scottish rite, York rite, Rosicrucians, Knight Templars, order of Malta, the Jessuit’s,
(under the ‘Black pope’) etc. etc.
Wescott and Hort, were hobnobbing with Madame Blavatski, and other Luciferian characters of their day, and this is the evil that is explained in Ezekiel chapter 8. (all masonic)
And all of this is controlled by the “Zionist’s” today, who will with their U.N., bring about the Antichrist and world Government for a total of seven years, until the Messiah comes back, to rule and reign in righteousness.
Abigail you said to Marianne, English is your Second language.
What is your first language ? (if you do not mind me asking)
Also, have you had a look at my website yet ? My book “None Dare Call It Deception” deals with much of the political and prophetic, as well as the first resurrection and it’s seven different “orders”. If you click on my name in the box below, my website will come up. (thank you Marianne)
Morgan
Hi Morgan
You are welcome. This is a free forum for people to post their ideas and websites, for dialogue, and further communication between like minded people. Looks like you found a kindred spirit.
Hi Morgan,
You have just named me ‘Rosicrucians, knights Templar and Jesuits’ whom I know without shadow are and were all instituted by the vatican.
What is surprising to me is that after reading Pikes’ Morals and Dogma, is you still claim that the Zionist are behind this deception.
Now I am not saying this to be attacking you but I certainly find that incredible!
Tell me how and WHY would the Zionists prepare to defeat themselves?
Have you ever heard of Dr. Walter Veith?
Yes I have visited your site. And I have read and agree with a lot of your writings.
Another question, please tell me what denomination you serve.
Would it be R.C. by any chance?
As for my native language I prefer to keep that to myself.
Astounding, you make mention of the black pope and yet you discard it as nothing,
only to pursue against Zionists. Why??
Hi Abigail,
Yes the Knigts Templars were originally instituted by the Vatican, and also the Jesuits,(founded by Loyola) but not the Rosicrucians, who began independantly, and were later “adopted” into the Catholic “esoteric orders”. but what you have to realize, is that after the rosicrucian “revival” in the early 17th century, all these different “secret orders” of “enlightenment” were incorporated into the “masonic system” of control, which is controlled by the Rothschilds. (you need to read the “secret protocols of the Zionists”)
Also, if you could find a copy of Kaiser Wilhelms memoirs, you will find evidence that he (who was a 30th degree mason) on discovering after his men “uncovered” documents from a “masonic lodge” on the Swiss/ Austrian border,(in which it was declared in 1917 , by Rothschild in this secret meeting, that the Kaiser would loose the war) that he(the Kaiser) was Not the ruler of Germany.
This “web of deceit” is interwoven ito all these systems, and ultimately under the control of the “ultimate thirteen” of the Illuminati. The Vatican is under the control of the Zionists, and there are several places where this information ia available, such as Jeff Rense, Texe Marrs, Power of prophecy, etc.etc.
The Zionists are masters of deceit and “disinformation”. For example the second world war, was a “colaboration” between the Dutch, English, German, French, Belgian, Swiss, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Polish, Russian, Italian, Japanese, etc. (as major players) and all financed by the Jewish banking houses) to
Bring about “saucer” technology, “rocket” technology, constructing, and testing the atomic bomb on live humans in Japan, experimenting with human cloning, reconstructing existing borders, destabilizing ecconomies, and “pulling off” the “Jewish holocaust”, while blaming it on the “Germans”, when in fact it was the the Rothschilds,and even Ben Gurion,(the first leader of Israel in 1948) who instigated, managed,and money’ed these atrocities.
The Zionists are not “defeating themselves”, they are furthering their cause by leaps and bounds, with “disinformation”.
Dr. Walter Veith ? Never heard of him until you mentioned him, but I looked him up on the internet, and the first thing I came across connected with his name, was “amazing discoveries”, which is an SDA sponsored program, which I came across in 1995.
So emmediatly I was aware that he is part of the “seventh day adventist” cult. I have been in ministry in South Africa for many years, and I was aproached by a “high up” SDA by the name Dr. Koster, as I had become known for my Biblical knowledge, as well as my fame as an “organist”.(some of which you can hear on my website) Well, after about 7 hours of “discussion”, I had him “Tied up” regarding the Sabbath and several other issues, and I guess he realized, I was not going to fall for their false doctrine, so he gave up on trying to “convert” me over to SDA.
I have for the past 8-9 months been involved in another forum with a Seventh Day Adventist, and although I cannot ever convince him,(as he turns every scripture on it’s head) I have been able to find out some things about the SDA, that are very disturbing.
For example; the “head theologian” at the Maryland Headquarters,
(a Zionist Jew) by the name Clifford Goldstein, has commented that he thinks Christ would approve of an “Honest” homosexual committed relationship.
Such filth tells you what is happening inside these denomintions, and who controls them. You ask me what affiliation I am ? Well I broke with them over 20 years ago, but I was affiliated with the Assemblies of God, a “tri-une” Pentecostal denomination,(not to be misconstrued with the “Jesus only” cults of UPC, or Apostolics)
I am Armenian in theology, and Wesley’an in Doctrine. And No I would Never belong to the “apostate “Roman Catholic” cult.
Concerning the “Black Pope”, It is no big deal, as a new one gets “voted in” every four years, and he is under the “command” of the Rothschilds, and the Illuminati anyway. (He does wear a masonic ring, with a compass and a square, and he does head up the “militant arm” of the Catholic Church, so what ? )
Well, I guess that covers all the questions. Hope you are not disapointed.
Morgan
The headquarters of the illuminati is the Vatican.
The body of the illuminati is the Vatican.
The beast in the word of The Lord is the Vatican. (Rome)
I am not disappointed, but you are deceived.
Nowadays whether it is the Assemblies of God Pentecostal world wide churches,
or whether it is Baptist or any other Protestant churches they are all arms of Rome.
Or children of the whore, if you wish.
And Morgan you are playing in their territory by accusing All Zionist Jews of being
masters of deception.
The true masters are so smart at their craft as to point their hatred again at the Jews.
Here I will give you a reliable link
http://www.scribd.com/doc/522835/The-IlluminatiVatican-Connection-Revealed
for you to undo your brainwashing.
I will pray for you, Morgan.
Also although you may disagree with the seventh day adventists and I do as well on many issues, look up on Youtube Dr. Walter Veith Islam and Catholic connection.
You may be surprised here as well to find just how crooked the serpent truly is.
I thank you sincerely for your time at responding with me.
I perceive you to be a man of intelligence, so if I might have raised at least a small doubt in your mind then my time as well was fruitful.
Wow! Abigail,
You act like an “attack dog”. You have demonstrated “irrational behaviour” in this discussion, solely on the basis of my disagree-ing with you ? That is incredible !
No I am Not deceived ! (Mamma raised No fool)
You are seriously mistaken about me and what I know. suffice it to be said, that if I was the proverbial university professor, then “your chum” Walter Veith, would by comparison be in 4th grade.
No, the Illuminati is not headquarterd in the Vatican, as the Illuminati is presently Headquartered in London, England.
Why don’t you go to this site, and “educate yourself” a little.
And while you are busy learning “about zionism” go to this page as well;
And when you have gotten some knowledge,(and respect) you can come back and appologize.
No, the beast in Revelation 13, is Not Rome, or the Vatican.
The Bible describes it as the “ancients of Zion” Ezek.8:1-18, controlling the revived Grecian empire, and this takes place in the “latter days” as the very next chapter (9) from verse 1-6 dicusses the “sealing of the 144,000″, which takes place in the tribulation period.
And in Ezek. 11:1-13, God says to these “zionist Jews” that he is going to kill them.(verse 11 says in the “borders of Israel”)
No, the A.G church is not the “arm of Rome”, it might be under “masonic rule”, and “Zionist control”, but it is not under Rome.
I am sorry, but I am not interrested in the “link” you provided, as it is obviously part of the ongoing disinformation campaign.
I am “old School” and although you have anoyed me with your obvious lack of respect, I shall not derile you. But let me say this, if you are married, I pity your husband !
Morgan Sorensen.
Morgan
You can discuss and disagree, but you have to be nice to Abigail.
You both just happen to be intense people.
Sorry Marianne,
But this womans disrespect is so obvious in calling me “deceived”,when it is clear that her facts are all messed up. I am not going to respond to her last “tyrade”. It seems obvious that she is Jewish, and that is what struck a nerve with her, as she cannot handle the truth.
If she would just take time to look at the links I posted, she will get a real insight into historical fact, that will shock her into reality.
By the way, Ezek.8:1-18, does concern the Jewish Zionists, as does Ezek.11:1-13, that’s clear from the context, she does not have to take my word for it.
Shalom,
Morgan
Abigail,
Here are the sites again: (ftp.the7thfire.com/politics%20and%20history/Illuminati_origin.htm)
and, (ftp.the7thfire.com/new_world_order_/zionism/zionist-Israeli_roots_of_hamas_.htm)
Morgan Sorensen
Against who have you exalted your voice?
Who is it that you reproach and blaspheme??
Who do you call a dog?
You have chosen the book of Ezekiel, the Holy Prophet of The Lord
to make a case against Zion …
Ezekiel not once mentions Zion!!
Yes you are deceived!
And your hatred drips like venom
upon every word you write.
God is not a murderer!
And The Lord is not an imposter.
Oba 1:21
And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD’S.
Mal 1:2
I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? [Was] not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
Mal 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Is not your hatred of Zion, your hatred of The LORD?
Because Zion belongs to The Lord and has not been given to you to judge.
Are you going to tell God whom He should love?
When I began this discussion with you, I had said in my heart, ’surely a man with such political/economy knowledge has missed the fact that there is a Sion/Hermon on the northern borders of Israel, that is an abomination to The Lord. So I will bring this to his attention, because if this man seeks the truth he just simply has missed out on this important geological fact.’
And also I had thought in my heart surely if this man loves The Lord, he would not exalts himself nor his intellectual knowledge against the Holy Zion of The Lord.
I was wrong. Your knowledge is puffed up.
And here I may add, that not once in my discourse was I rude to you.
Nor was I personal with you.
Dr. Veith is a classy professor and you Morgan do not hold a candle to him.
Abigail,
You say I cannot “hold a Candle” to Walter Veith ? How would you know ? Have you ever attended any of my seminars ? (You might be very surprised)
Oh, I get it, this is one more of your “expert opinions”, right ?
By the way, I listened to part of a couple presentations of your “Guru” Walter Veith, and he is a “nut case”. Besides, his phd is in “Zoo-olgy”,
(no wonder he has such an “animal attraction” on you)
That explains why he is so confused about Christianity,(having been trained in something other, than Bilbe doctrine) as it is clear by his affiliation of the SDA cult, that he misinterprets and misrepresents the scriptures, to “fit in” with his “distorted belief system”.
Morgan Sorensen
Excuse me for butting in here but if you are in the right and can prove it with scriptures then there is no need to resort to personal insults and attacks. That only proves that you have lost the argument.
Before you turn and attack me, Morgan, just to let you know that I agree with you regarding Walter Veith. Since he is a cultist I wouldn’t consider anything that he has to say. The Devil can give you 98% truth mixed in with 2% deception but it still is a deception nevertheless.
I have my own insights to post here regarding Zionism a little later.
Other than that. I disagree with some things that Abigail says also but I don’t see the reason to get personal about it.
I also disagree with some of what you promote such as the denial of the rapture, tithing, marital purity laws, KJV onlyism, etc.
If what you say is true then you should be able to support it with scripture, period.
Contender,
I usually do not resort to “personal attacks”. But the blatant disrespect awarded me, by Abigail, prompted me to respond in this manner.
As to your mention about my “denial” of the Rapture, Tithing, marital purity laws, KJV only-ism. I am afraid I do not undertsand. As I believe in the Biblical “seven orders of teh first resurrection” and my Book; “None Dare Call It Deception”, is an irrefutable treatise, (that proves the “pre-trib” theory to be a fraud) but the Bilbical resurrection I do believe in.
As for tithing, I believe in it.
Marital purity laws, are brought into the N.T. by Peter, and I believe in them.
The “Dietary law” is brought into the N.T. by Paul, and I have kept those from my youth.
As for the KJV, it can be proven without a doubt, that it is the only book in the English language, That uses the “Ben Cajjim” Masoretic Hebrew text, for the O.T, and the Majority text “common Greek” text, for the N.T.
All other books called a Bible, in the English language today, use the fraudulent “septuagint” greek from “Origen’s Hexapla” ca.250 A.D. for the O.T. and the “Eusebio”(330 A.D.) and /Westcott/Hort (1861-1881 revision) “classical Greek text N.T. (It is not only about scholarship, but source)
The spiritual things I present, I can, and do support with scripture. Check out my website. (click on my name in the box below) And get yourself a copy of my book !
Morgan Sorensen
Everyone
Discussion here is ok…..but NO hate speech…….!!!
Jesus Never Existed and the Christians stole their MUMBO-JUMBO from the Jews,the Jews stole ALL their religious MUMBO-JUMBO from the Babylonians AND THEY STOLE IT FROM ME!!!!!!!!(the thieving bastards)P.S For all the fools waiting for their MESSIAH to return playing the BLONDIE song”rapture”..(when the Babylonians stole my religious dogma manual they couldn’t read all the words clearly.my handwriting is atrocious,sorry,omnipotence has it’s limitations dont you know) i should just tell you now that i can’t be bothered with a second coming and i think that i’ll hit the holy(that one cracks me up every time) land with an asteroid in 2012.Until then keep bringing me Foreskins to eat(mmmmm!!!they taste just like crispy bacon)and i hope you find a cure for your religious VIRUS soon.
hi IAMWHOIAM
It is always refreshing to hear what an unbeliever might say. I never know what you guys will say next. At least you are funny.
Yeah…right, IamwhoIam… Sorry, your words does not hold up any because sound like you are rather arrogant and mocking God.. May God have mercy on you … I simply will pray for you.. Blessings.
Tamera,
You make the same mistake that many believers make and that is ‘praying for heathens’!
Heathens have despised your God and blaspheme His most Holy Name.
The Lord prayed to His Father for His Disciples and while in prayer this is what He prayed …
Jhn 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
You are to pray for ‘your brother’ … your brother in Christ.
That means you are to pray for a believer.
But you are not to pray for one who despises God.
Read carefully what the above blogger (to which you’ve responded) wrote and see how full of venom and blasphemies
his composition is!!
He is and he has condemned himself!!
You are not to pray for him!!
Tamera …
Think of goliath and how he was insulting the Lord God and His people.
David did not pray for goliath … rather he took a stone from five and pierced his forehead!
Then David took the giant’s sword and severed his head from his body.
I am not saying that this is what we should do in a physical sense but …
in a spiritual sense yes.
Pray rather that God gives you discernment so you may answer your enemy.
*smile at Abigail* Eh, true… God knows my heart… hope… hope that those would have a change of heart one way or other… Can’t I hope at least ?
My mind was too full of preparing prayer night to God and avoiding any anger or such in my heart so it stays pure for prayer… My apologies.
Remember one small thing about me… I cannot speak like you unless my temper unleashes.. Unfortunely, tonight seems isn’t my night…
Again, thank you for the reminder.. sometimes, I forget.
Blessings, Abigail.
*Cringed* Uh-oh… God just got me to get the bible and pinpoint me to one thing… here it says:
Proverbs 6:15-19
“There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that hurry to run to evil,
a lying witness who testifies falsely, and one who sows discord in a family.”
——For IAMWHOIAM ——
Psalms:34:16-22
” The face of the LORD is against evildoers, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.
When the righteous cry for help, the LORD hears, and rescues them from all their troubles.
The LORD is near to the brokenhearted, and saves the crushed in spirit.
Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the LORD rescues them from them all.
He keeps all their bones; not one of them will be broken.
Evil brings death to the wicked, and those who hate the righteous will be condemned.
The LORD redeems the life of this servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned. ”
That is the message. Good night.
Blessings.