Baptism of the Holy Spirit & Tongues
**At salvation, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell with us, and help us on our faith journey. Many people find this adequate, and wish no more than this, and are happy. All believers have the Holy Spirit. The baptism spoken of here is a different experience, and involves a special infilling of the Spirit in a more intimate way, for the purpose of private prayer, intercession, and prophesy.
Introduction
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a real experience with God, and usually manifests itself with the gift of tongues (heavenly, mystery language). There are those now who do fake it, and there are those who have the real gift, and there are those who are witch hunters, trying to denounce every act of God, in order to quench what they perceive as fake. There is a mindset that thinks since they do not have it, then it must not be real, because they think they are so holy, that they should have more gifts than others. It is this very prideful mindset that prevents them from receiving the real experience. To be fair, this bitterness may also be due to bad experiences with the fake experience, and now they think everything is fake.
A sincere pursuit of the real baptism will be met with God’s acceptance, and a positive response will occur. A negative pursuit for the wrong reasons will either end up with failure, or a demonic counterfeit. No sincere believer wants that to happen.
The baptism is made possible by the salvation relationship one has with Jesus Christ, who asks the Father to send the Holy Spirit to those who believe in Him. Unbelievers cannot receive this experience. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is for the glory of god and to worship God in a more powerful and holy way. The Holy Spirit guides our spirit into a sense of worship, speaking into our spirits the perfect will of God.
Preparing one’s heart
So, one must examine his heart to see if their intentions are pure. This is a holy experience, and it may be used quietly in public at times when others are praying also in tongues, but it should never be used for public display, or to draw attention to one’s self. The baptism with tongues is all about God, not the person. The only openly acceptable public utterance will be when the Holy Spirit is using it for a prophetic word to the entire congregation, and there is an interpreter present.
Receiving the Baptism
Receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit is equivalent to receiving a person, not a “thing.” So, the baptism is a “Him,” not an “it.” Proper indwelling requires a yielded vessel, repentant, loving, humble, submissive to God. One could receive the baptism by the laying on of hands, but it must be without public pressure or coaching. The Holy Spirit can fill a person without man’s help. The real baptism is NOT a learned experience, but quite the opposite. The baptism is God filling the person the person with Himself.
The person should be willing to speak out in faith, and allow the Holy Spirit to take over the natural language they are using in their prayers. Sometimes it helps not to speak a natural language, but to just utter sounds, in order to disconnect their minds from trying to influence the initiation of the baptism. This is done, knowing that these are just sounds to relax the person and their tongue, and not a real language. Many times, people feel so self conscious with others around, they cannot receive this gift. It is best then, to go and be alone with God, and let Him minister to them without anyone around.
There is also a proper timing for things of God, so one should not get discouraged if they ask, and there is a delay. A delay is not a denial. There may be a delay because there is something spiritually blocking the person, such a fear, self conscious feelings, doubt, sin, confusion about what the baptism is, need for acceptance or attention, etc. The person needs to relax, be humble, and trust God.
Speaking in tongues comes from the spirit of the person, under the influence of the Holy Spirit, who overshadows the person’s spirit.
However, the source of the activity is the spirit, not the brain. No one can get their brain to do this…the brain may be affected by it though.
Prayer life with the baptism
I speak and pray in tongues for about 2 hours a day. Sometimes, I have gone longer than that. I have an active prayer life. This is a gift which is given to those for service, intercession and prayer. It is meant to be a protected prayer language to avoid attack by dark spiritual forces, which can hear prayers and form plans against what they hear. It is also a humble experience, because one is usually kept from the interpretation, to show the person there is so much they do not know, that God does. In the prayer, the Holy Spirit helps the person pray perfectly in God’s will, so that the prayers will be answered.
There are times when the interpretation is made known, maybe in part or completely. This is for the edification of the person. I am aware of what certain words mean when I pray…I hope in time, that more meaning comes to me.
Note:
It is not a dream, and is done consciously…. although the person is not controlling the words spoken.
I hope that this helps others understand this experience a little better. God is real and working today, and one must not let cynicism, or disbelief, keep them from receiving what god has for them.
There does not need to be a special prayer to receive the baptism of the holy spirit. Use your own words. Just ask the Father in Jesus name for this. You do not need a recipe. The Father wants to hear from you. If you do not get a prayer language right away, that is ok. Continue in faith. If you need it, the Holy Spirit will give it to you at the proper time.
For the one who asks, “are the tongues real or fake?” I would say this: Scripture says a good tree produces good fruit. If the tongues are real, the person will be guided by the Holy Spirit, be reverent and humble with their gift, and will not abuse the gift for selfish purposes. Also, if the person has asked sincerely, then they should expect to receive in faith what they asked for. If they, instead, have acquired the tongues by an artificial means, somehow “learning” what to do, or made up something under pressure of others to please them, then the tongues most likely will not be real.
Steps to receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit
1. repent of all sins
( if you are new to salvation, be sure you understand what sin is, and what activities are sins. You cannot repent of something if you do not know it is wrong.)
2. renounce sin – make a decision that you will not do these things any more. get public baptism, if possible.
3. you must surrender totally to the power of the Holy Spirit. You must obey Him, as He will expect you to give your life to God.
4. Desire the gift with all your heart ( John 7:37)
5. Ask in faith.
6. Worship God. The spirit comes as you actively pursue His presence. Do not be passive about it.
7. Be patient. The gift could come quickly, or after a time.
8. Open your mouth and speak in faith. Do not use your own language. Just utter sounds, to show submission and willingness, and allow the Holy Spirit to convert these sounds into a prayer language. You will know the difference between your own sounds, and a change to another language that you have no control over.
Clarification:
Maybe I should re-word some things I say. To disconnect the brain is only referring to the moment when you receive the baptism. It just means do not let it be a mental activity, where you force some artificial behavior on yourself.
There are churches who “teach” tongues, and people “learn” tongues. For me, to disconnect the brain really means to stop using your own mind to control the activity, and let God take over and do it correctly. That way, you get the true gift, and not the counterfeit.
But of course, we should use our minds, and fill them with the Word of God, so we are not deceived.
For anyone, we have unconscious pressures that influence our readiness. We have to examine our motives, and ignore expectations of others to “do it their way.” Or sometimes, god just wants us to learn patience and wisdom first, so that we use our gift the right way.
There can be delays to receiving the baptism of the holy spirit, but when God thinks you are ready, and you also know in your heart you are ready, everything will work out fine, and occur in a way that will inspire you.
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See also “The Church is Having a Power Failure” (signs and wonders gone in the church?) Click here for more
See also “Fake and Real Charismatics” Click here for more
See also “The Wheat and the Tares” Click here for more
See also “God’s Glory- a Practical Application” Click here for more
See also Speaking in Tongues – the Science and the Spirit Click here for more



So would it not be better to pray in silence where the enemy cannot hear ! her closet.
Matt 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
True, most prayer should be done alone. There maybe times when corporate prayer is needed, then it should be done in one’s own language. It would have to be a special circumstance to pray in tongues with others around. If so, then done quietly, and in order.
Having exeperienced both private and coporate prayer I would say that as I have noticed….but forms of prayer have helped me at different times in life. During a medical procedure I was able to use tongues to cope. I use tongues in a private way and I feel the Lord’s presence.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, so that others may understand this better.
**I have the baptism of the Holy Spirit with tongues as the SPIRIT gives utterance and I want to say that this article has given me so much insight especially regarding praying in tongues I know the Lord lead me here for the answer I needed! thx!
Thank you Vern, for your sweet comment. I hope you have a blessed life.
Take heed lest ye be deceived….read this
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/testing-the-gift-of-tongues-what-are-you-afraid-of-if-you-do/
Hi Derek,
Thanks for your comment.
I am familiar with that website, and have contributed there. What I have noticed in recent times is that confessing that Jesus has come in the flesh is very easy for many people to do, yet their spiritual gift is still far from believable. People with religious spirits can do this. That test is mainly for people who are actually possessed. People who entertain religious spirits are not possessed, but oppressed. So you are talking really to the person, not the spirit. That way, you get an acceptable answer.
So we do have to use more than one test to discern properly. We do not want to quench the true presence of the Holy Spirit and mislabel Him when He is really present. But, we do want to discern and deal with counterfeits also.
Marianne
I cant use tongues as gift from God… Im Deaf and I cant hear or anything but God gave me another gift instead of Tongues and Im very happy for what he already gave me.. it will bs stronger when time is come.
I have gifts of prophesy, faith and discerment of spirits. those gifts he gave me for long time.. for prophesy . mostly are Dreams, visions.
sometimes I can read what God write in my prophetic dreams. sometimes I have to know the difference its from God or its from Satan ( bad ones).
Bad ones make the dreams look beautiful or make you feel good. its not true. I know God gave me dreams that make me feel disgusting or gross but thats his truth.
Sometimes I need depth understanding what the dreams mean or how it revealed to me. sometimes I rejected the dreams because it doesnt make sense to me. how can I understand what it doesnt make sense. its very challenging.
Thanks for allowing me to share this.. Can you send me the linkd of Signs and wonders and other spiritual gifts?
RoseFire
Hi RoseFire,
You are very blessed and loved by God. I would not be concerned about this one gift, when you have all those other gifts. Each person is blessed in a different way. Enjoy yours!
I am not sure about the link you want. But read 1 Cor 12
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?t=KJV&x=46&y=6&b=1Cr&c=12&v=1
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I would like to make the clarification that being baptized with the Holy Spirit does not necessarily accompany the gift of tongues. I had a very real experience with this baptism and even heard an audible word from God “WELCOME”. However, instead of the gift of tongues, which, according to scripture is the “least” of the spiritual gifts, I was given the gift of prophesy or the ability to prophesy the Word of God by giving a “word in due season” and speaking forth the Word of God as though God is speaking through me. I believe the gift of tongues is real, however I believe it is over emphasized and does not edify the Body of Christ, only the individual believer. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a real experience and the Spirit gives DIFFERENT gift(s) as He CHOOSES. Every believer does not receive the gift of tongues!
Hi Lynn,
What you say is very true. The Holy Spirit manifests in different ways, and how each individual is blessed is the sovereign decision of God.
I was trying to just address the tongues aspect here, keeping the focus more narrow, since so many do not believe in it. But to explain the other gifts would give a more balanced view.
thanks
marianne
The gift of tongues is not the evidence of a Spirit filled life but a tool for personal edification and collective exhortation through interpretation. The evidence is only found when one exhibits the fruits of the Spirit. Many in Pentecostal/Charismatic/Holiness circles embrace the gift of tongues as that which occurred on Pentecost, yet this was a miracle of God provided to spread the gospel throughout the ancient World, these were known tongues. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are given as tools for evangelism not for our own personal exaltation or glory. Christianity is dead without evangelism, without the exercising of our faith we are nothing more than dry bones. The Apostle Paul rebuked the Church at Corinth for their need for self exaltation in placing their gift above their mission, tongues was prevalent yet so was lack of discipline and order.
Rodney,
What you say is very true. For those who truly have this gift, they will be held responsible by God someday for how they used it. How many souls did they reach and pray for?
We all have been given something by God for service in His kingdom, as in the parable of the talents. If we misuse our talent, or don’t use it, then God will consider us unfaithful servants. Good observation.
blessings
marianne
Hi~
You wrote,”…and there are those who are witch hunters, trying to denounce every act of God, in order to quench what they perceive as fake. There is a mindset that thinks since they do not have it, then it must not be real, because they think they are so holy, that they should have more gifts than others. It is this very prideful mindset that prevents them from receiving the real experience. To be fair, this bitterness may also be due to bad experiences with the fake experience, and now they think everything is fake…”
I feel I must address your comments, because they are written with an attitude of judgement, & are clearly not written with love, and the truth is, I know for a fact that you’re wrong about their motives (not that some may not feel this way, but most don’t!)
I’ve been a believer for 20 years now, & was pentacostal for many…then into home-church, as I began to see & stand against ‘churchianity”…& now, I sometimes attend an Independant Baptist church, not because I believe all their doctrines, but because they’re the only church I’ve been able to find where I am where they’re not into every false wind of doctrine permeating & corrupting the majority of the body of Christ, (the great falling away that’s been prophesied, though they like to beleive there’ll be a great end-time revival! The opposite of what God said is coming!) & they understand what it means to be separate from the world, & not love the world.
I believe tongues are a legitimate gift, but yes, waaaay over-epmhasised. But I have ready many, many articles from their writings (independant baptists…can’t speak for anyone else!)about why they reject it as a gift for now in the church, & their reasons are NOT about pride, or thinking they should have more gifts than other believers, or they’re more holy than others.
It’s also not right to call them witch hunters, they are clearly seeking to obey scriptures, & believe that, scripturally, there is no more need for tongues, & it’s passed away. (Right or wrong, their motive is obedience!)
They also believe scripture is clear that the language given was a KNOWN one spoken in the book of Acts, understood by those visiting from other places & hearing the gospel preached in their own language…(which I believe, about the day of Pentacost, but there is also the reference in 1 Cor. 13 about “the tongues of men AND ANGELS…” so I’m still studying this, & praying about it…)
…& yes, they’ve also seen the carnal attempts by many of those swept up in charismania to ‘be more gifted than others’…but for the most part, they don’t deny that those people are saved (only the Lord knows their heart) but pray for God to make the truth known to them, out of love for them. You don’t know them, or their hearts, (though I know you’re speaking generally, about ALL those who reject tongues for now) & so need to pay attention to your heart attitude towards those who don’t agree with you…be fully convinced, study the Word, but remember He died for them ,too! & we’re not 100% right in EVERYTHING yet, either! *grin*
That’s another thing that draws me to their churches…they love & pray for others, & though they’re not always open to re-considering their positions, I have known numerous ones who will humble themselves when scripture proves their position unbiblical.
So please, keep on exposing the lies with the truth…but in love! If you write without it, it is clear to those walking in it that it’s missing…& if we have not love, we’re just clanging cymbals…
{…believe me, I know. I used to clang REAL loud!}
~Anastazia~
Hi Anastazia,
This particular post was about the REAL manifestation of the Holy Spirit, as evidenced by the speaking in tongues.
I have other posts on fake tongues.
I have other posts on real signs and wonders.
Maybe I should link them together.
Since this post was ONLY about the true gift, then comments about unfair criticism would apply. If this was a post about the fake stuff, then obviously criticism would be appropriate.
The issue here is that when the true gift is present, then respect it as from God.
I will try to add the other links so that this is more clear.
thanks and blessings
marianne
I usually speak in tongues when I am praying for someone. If that person is manifesting an evil spirit I get real loud with the tongues. It’s not me but the Holy Spirit . Probably because I really don’t know what to pray for .
Hi Shannon,
None of us know really how to pray. That is why the Holy Spirit helps us. I am glad he blesses your life with prayer through Him.
blessings
marianne
Marianne, I came across your blog only today and love it. I’d like to link the site I’m working on to it. (I’ve spent the bulk of the last several hours reading your articles
)If the early church is our template, then we can hardly afford to be wrong about the topic of tongues. In the book of Acts, every occurence of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit was accompanied with tongues. Too many Christians cherry pick scriptures and daisy chain together a theology that isnt credible. Viewing the scriptures as a whole, the prominence of the Holy Spirit is undeniable. It is no wonder then that Jesus had this to say about the Spirit: The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Even eschaetological newbies can attest that the word for wind here is the same as the word for Spirit. Only the context is the delineation. So if the wind is known by the sound it makes, why not the spirit? Further, there is Mark 16:17 : And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues” In all my study concerning the topic, I’ve never, read NEVER come across a convincing argument that invalidates the words of Jesus here as fiat, that the Spirit is evidenced by tongues. Even the Old Testament bears cogent witness to this phenomena; Isaiah has this to say: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. There is perfect etymological symmetry between the word “rest” in Isaiah and “comforter” in the the book of John. Tongues is for all who are willing to receive it. While I agree that an inordinate amount of time is spent in ambivalence on whether it is de facto or not, I dont believe that it is a subjective occurence. Paul says to desire spiritual gifts, (do you think it was for nothing that he also said that he spoke in tongues more than all? It added nothing to his argument, but served to say in order and under the sanctioning of the Spirit, it is neccessary) we should all desire the gift of tongues. In full disclosure, I am a Holy Spirit filled, non-denominational Christian who speaks in tongues.
Dear Amardo,
Thank you so much for your comments and insights. Having the baptism of the holy spirit cannot be appreciated, unless one haves it, I think. People are just suspicious, because there is a counterfeit to it, and people with the counterfeit will act unbecoming to what the Holy Spirit would have them do. All we can do is encourage others to seek the true gift, with humility and sincerity.
blessings
marianne
I have never posted before. Yet you block my comment.
Hi eddie
I have not blocked any comments. Your email did come back as wrong, however. Your comments are welcome.
blessings
marianne
Wonderfully written article. I was led by the Holy Spirit to request the gift of tongues although it is not something spoken of or promoted @ the non-denominational Church I attend. The Spirit Called-I followed-later to find out there are others who also pray privately in the Spirit.
It may be a “lesser” gift but I cherish it with all my heart. In addition I receive “a word” from the Lord @ times in moments of spiritual clarity.
Those who truly yield and follow may be suprised in what the Holy Spirit will teach them. I certainly was never expecting to pray in tongues.
It’s too bad so many of the non-denominatonal Churches don’t teach these truths. But I suppose Christians who don’t quench the Spirit will be led to God’s will for their lives regardless. One way or the other.
Dead Late Night Lisa
Thank you for your insights. I am glad that you have been blessed this way. Sometimes a private blessing is much more wonderful than something that is used in public.
blessings
marianne
I just found your site and have been reading lots of your posts but coudln’t resist commenting on this one.
I came from a church background that preached tongues were “dead”:only the believers back in Jesus times got them, and “we don’t need them today”. Fast forward to when I was late 20’s and going through the biggest crises of my life. It was a wonderful miraculous story how I got the indwelling of the Holy Spirit accomanied by tongues (and I’d been a Christian since 9). (This is the short version!) Picture me sitting in a circle praying and holding hands w/2 other people I’d never met before, praying in the Spirit, (I had JUST received the gift a few moments before this, thanks to one of those people helping me) when all of a sudden we all burst out laughing (still praying, eyes closed) and laughed and prayed at the same time, for quite a few minutes, then all stopped suddenly at the same time. It was the weirdest, coolest experience I’d ever had! God became so HUGE to me after that weekend. Everything was different. Now there are times in my life when I am do deeply distraught and grief stricken that the ONLY thing I can do is pray in the Spirit because I’m absolutely at a loss for words, and God, in His tremendous mercy, comforts me during those prayer times. I wouldn’t give it up for the world!
Dear Amy
It is always wonderful to hear about others receiving this experience. Joy and blessings are available to us now in this world, to help us through all the challenges and trials. We should all seek God for the spiritual strength he has to offer.
blessings
marianne
I have asked over and over again…and still nothing what’s wrong with me ? I ‘m sure I’m saved because Jesus Christ is my saviour I study my Bible, sing God’s praise in my heart all day long but I feel being such a bad christian…I don’t know…
Dear Beatrice,
That happened to me too. It was a long time before I received it. Sometimes our surroundings block us. Some people receive the baptism in a group of people, others are inhibited by the crowd, and are better off by themselves. Sometimes we have fears or uncertainties, or unconfessed sins. Our minds can block this experience. We have to relax, ask and be persistent.
Be patient, and try to dismiss the blocks in your mind. Disconnect your brain. Do you have a place you can go and just be alone? Maybe you should go there, and set a few hours aside, speak just any sounds (not your own language), and keep doing this until your faith overcomes your inhibitions. This is how I received the baptism.
Now, each person is different. So what was best for me, may not be for you. We are all unique. Let me know how this effort progresses for you.
blessings
marianne
I stumbled upon this site and am really amazed at the wisdom and thoughtful, intelligent discussion of so many topics. And I am struck Marianne by your kind responses. However, when reading this particular thread, I felt the need to issue a caution, especially for those who are seeking this gift and have not be given this gift. Many years ago, I felt a strong desire to have this gift. I spent weeks asking God to reveal my sin and confessing my sin, reading his word, praying – and it culminated in a terrifying dream that I awoke from and knew immediately the answer for me was no. It was not maybe or wait, it was NO. God revealed that for me to be edified and given power, I needed to study his word, memorizing scripture, meditating on it – and just regular old praying and being obedient to his word, walking with him, revering him. I feel if I had continued seeking this gift then I would have received a counterfeit which is what actually has, I believe, happened to my sister. She supposedly has this gift, but ever since receiving it, I feel she has been oppressed by Satan, she is suffering mental illness now years later and has tried to commit suicide twice. And I can’t help but wonder if some of the counterfeit stuff out there comes about from believers who feel that something is wrong with them because they believe they should have this gift. I don’t quite understand why that belief is encouraged because it seems to me that scripture clearly states in I Cor. 12 that though we are all baptized with one spirit, we are given different gifts. I also felt very concerned about your advice to disconnect your brain – I feel this is also very dangerous and may open yourself up to something that is not from God. May I suggest that instead of disconnecting your brain, that you instead fill your mind with God’s word. Memorize and pray God’s word. I believe that is what John 15:7 teaches us. “If you remain in me, and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish and it will be given you.” Though I don’t speak in tongues I can praise God for the Holy Spirit’s indwelling (Jn. 14:17, Romans 8:9, I Cor. 3:16, Ephesians 2:22) his comfort (John 14:16), his revealing truth (John 16:13, I Cor. 2:13, John 14:26, etc.). I am sealed by him (Eph. 4:30), he convicts me of sin (Jn.16:7,8) and he does indeed intercede for me also with groans that words cannot express, and he intercedes for me (a saint through Christ’s shed blood for my sin) according to God’s will (though I don’t hear it audibly, I know in my spirit that his word and his promises are true). And by the way, isn’t it amazing that Jesus is at the right hand of God interceding for us, also? (Hebrews 7:25) And Romans 8:32 says, “He who did not spare his own son, but gave him up for us all, how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all the we need?” What an amazing God we have!!!
An afterthought to my previous message, I sought this gift years ago and God said no but he has brought this issue into my life again recently, so I am asking God if this is something that may be a part of his plan for me now. So I am seeking his direction and am praying. Thanking God for guidance – Psalm 32:8, “I will instruct you and teach you in the way that you should go, I will counsel you and watch over you.”
Hi Lisa,
Maybe I should re-word some things I say. To disconnect the brain only meant at the time of receiving the baptism, just means to not let it be a mental activity, where you force some artificial behavior on yourself.
There are churches who “teach” tongues, and people “learn” tongues. For me, to disconnect the brain really means to stop using your own mind to control the activity, and let God take over and do it correctly. That way, you get the true gift, and not the counterfeit.
But of course, we should use our minds, and fill them with the Word of God, so we are not deceived. Thanks for pointing out the confusion. I should clarify what I meant.
For anyone, we have unconscious pressures that influence our readiness. We have to examine our motives, and ignore expectations of others to “do it their way.” Or sometimes, god just wants us to learn patience and wisdom first, so that we use our gift the right way.
There can be delays to receiving the baptism of the holy spirit, but when God thinks you are ready, and you also know in your heart you are ready, everything will work out fine, and occur in a way that will inspire you.
blessings
marianne
Hi this blog is great I will be recommending it to friends.
Interesting blog, I’ll try and spread the word.
Let us not forget GOD’s WORD for absolute authority and understanding:-
2 Timothy 4:2-5 “In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry”.
Acts 1v8 Jesus tells us that when the were to be filled with the Holy Spirit, they would receive power to witness. “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
I am motivated, like Marianne, through love for Christ, by his first love for me, and I love my fellow mankind and to witness to you “BY HIS WORD”.
On 15th Feb Marianne suggested to Beatrice to “disconnect your brain” but scripture says in 2 Timothy 1:7 “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear;but of power,and of love,and of a SOUND MIND”.
There is confusion about the biblical meaning of tongues. May each and every one of you read this website artice for edification.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books,%20Tracts%20&%20Preaching/Printed%20Books/the_tongues_confusion-curtis_hutson.htm
Hi Derek
Do not worry. I am in line with scripture. Look at my March 1, 2009 comment. I explain what I mean, to Lisa, after I had also explained to Beatrice off line. You see, there are other conversations that occur once my comment is emailed back to the person. Sometimes you do not see all that is discussed. The person will write back and we will discuss it further. It just means not to make receiving the baptism a result of intentional mental efforts, resulting in a fake experience, rather than submitting to the Holy Spirit, and letting him deal with our spirit.
But what you say is true, about being properly informed about what the spiritual experience is supposed to be, because then we will not be deceived.
Hi Marianne,
Acts 17:11 “Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true”.
Please be honourable to God’s Word and please quote scripture every time you give your comments and advice, because without chapter & verse of authority, it is just philosophy.
I encourage and pray that you & all reader will give the time for study:
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/testing-the-gift-of-tongues-what-are-you-afraid-of-if-you-do/
And:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books,%20Tracts%20&%20Preaching/Printed%20Books/the_tongues_confusion-curtis_hutson.htm
Derek Stansbury ( UK )
Amen, Derek.
If scripture cannot decisively back up our position, then we need to reconsider our viewpoint. Instead, Christians often pick over scripture so that it appears to align itself with their own ideals or worldview. This process involves clinging to partial truths or even lies (Hosea 10:13). None of us is above deception which is why we must fellowship with one another, challenging ourselves with the study of God’s Word (Heb. 10:25; Titus 3:3; Matt. 24:11). I commend your willingness to do so here.
I visited the second link you posted and was pleased to find that it was quite thorough and filled with God’s Word. I’ve found 1 Corinthians 14:22-23 quite helpful in understanding the purpose of tongues and its place in our world today. If someone is overwhelmed by the wealth of information found at your link, I would encourage them to thoughtfully study this passage.
God Bless,
Heather
Acts 1:8 is the TRUE sign of the Holy Spirit filled Christian……that WE WILL WITNESS to the ends of the earth.
Mark 16:15 is the command to true believers to do so.
Jesus said “COME UNTO ME, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” Matthew 11:28
Jesus said “ I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by ME. ” John 14:6
Jesus said “ He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. ” John 6:24
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23
All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
IF WE CONFESS our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say
that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:9-10
God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:12
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
But he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life. John 3:36
If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth Romans 1:16
Hi Derek,
Thanks for all your scriptures. I hope everyone reads them and benefits.
Good verses to hide in our hearts – and share. I want to add another verse in light of Easter that has to do with resurrection and the hope we have in Christ. Lazarus is dead and Jesus is coming to him days after he has been dead – John 11:25, 26. Jesus said to her (Martha), I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies, and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this? Martha says that yes, she believes but then later he has to remind her, verse 40 – “Didn’t I tell you that if you believed you would see the glory of God?” What a reminder that we need to believe God!
Hi Lisa,
Thanks for the extra inspiration, especially now, around resurrection time.
This is not scriptural. When you are saved you receive the Holy Spirit. It is Christ who baptizes you with the Holy Spirit. There is no such thing as a second baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Also, regarding your bride book. I was concerned with the chapter regarding Benny Hinn. What is your current view on this television pastor?
Also, regarding the Jezebel spirit. There is no scripture to support this premise. Jezebel was a person in the Old Testament. There is no Jezebel spirit. There is sin and that is all.
Some of the other topics regarding the level of your faith. Where in scripture are you getting all this from? While some of what you say is true there is also an element of error in what you are saying. You seem to have a very negative outlook on what it is to be a Christian. If you want to know about faith being tested then I would suggest you read the Book of Job.
God does not abandon you and to tell people this is totally unscriptural. Christ says he will never abandon or forsake you. If you don’t feel that you have a connection to Christ especially in your trials then I would have to say that you are a very immature Christian.
God is the one who sustains you through all things.
Dear Contender,
This refers to the fire of the Holy Spirit the disciples received on Pentecost, when flames of fire came down upon them, and they spoke with other tongues. Many people use the word baptism for this experience. It does not negate the water baptism.
Benny Hinn was just part of the story. Now, I wish it had been someone else. Considering his current behavior, I do not endorse any materialism, false teachings, or practices.
The word Jezebel here is a “label,” used to express a pattern of evil behaviors that was characteristic of Queen Jezebel in the old testament: aggressive, violent, treacherous, angry, liar, Baal worship (idolatry, child sacrifice/abortion, sexual sin, harvest and prosperity), domination over the male, etc.
As far as other topics, I give scriptural references along with the view. I do not know what you are referring to exactly. I view belonging to christ as the center of my life. I see sin in the church and false doctrines, and I discuss it. Christianity is failing because of the great falling away, but Jesus never fails.
Jesus does not abandon us, if we belong to him. If we reject him, we will end up in hell. But that is not abandonment. That is judgment we bring upon ourselves by rejecting Him.
wow, great discussion guys. This is good website because it feels “free” Liberty…:D
I think what was said was right, we all have a unique journey, some of us reason, some feel, some just love, some a skeptic, its all good, just keep talking.
I think God loves us all, nonCHristian too, it’s a level playing field now, dont you think
Hi mj
Bible says, where the spirit is, there is liberty!
as we discuss, disagree, agree, we all come to a greater understanding.
Hi Marianne,
Yes, “where the spirit is there is liberty” – this is found in 2 Corinthians verse 17. The Bible is always the source for truth. It is the truth that sets us free! John 8:32
i am new to the sight i love my conecting with my prayers to the high place of god thru the holly spirt please pray for us everyone who reads this my sisterinlaw is a practiceing witch my husband is trying to help get his brothers mind to open to the spirt of god i read the prayer on witchcraft before he went to see his brother i am going to keep praying till he gets back