Baptism of the Holy Spirit & Tongues
**At salvation, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell with us, and help us on our faith journey. Many people find this adequate, and wish no more than this, and are happy. All believers have the Holy Spirit. The baptism spoken of here is a different experience, and involves a special infilling of the Spirit in a more intimate way, for the purpose of private prayer, intercession, and prophesy.
Introduction
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a real experience with God, and usually manifests itself with the gift of tongues (heavenly, mystery language). There are those now who do fake it, and there are those who have the real gift, and there are those who are witch hunters, trying to denounce every act of God, in order to quench what they perceive as fake. There is a mindset that thinks since they do not have it, then it must not be real, because they think they are so holy, that they should have more gifts than others. It is this very prideful mindset that prevents them from receiving the real experience. To be fair, this bitterness may also be due to bad experiences with the fake experience, and now they think everything is fake.
A sincere pursuit of the real baptism will be met with God’s acceptance, and a positive response will occur. A negative pursuit for the wrong reasons will either end up with failure, or a demonic counterfeit. No sincere believer wants that to happen.
The baptism is made possible by the salvation relationship one has with Jesus Christ, who asks the Father to send the Holy Spirit to those who believe in Him. Unbelievers cannot receive this experience. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is for the glory of god and to worship God in a more powerful and holy way. The Holy Spirit guides our spirit into a sense of worship, speaking into our spirits the perfect will of God.
Preparing one’s heart
So, one must examine his heart to see if their intentions are pure. This is a holy experience, and it may be used quietly in public at times when others are praying also in tongues, but it should never be used for public display, or to draw attention to one’s self. The baptism with tongues is all about God, not the person. The only openly acceptable public utterance will be when the Holy Spirit is using it for a prophetic word to the entire congregation, and there is an interpreter present.
Receiving the Baptism
Receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit is equivalent to receiving a person, not a “thing.” So, the baptism is a “Him,” not an “it.” Proper indwelling requires a yielded vessel, repentant, loving, humble, submissive to God. One could receive the baptism by the laying on of hands, but it must be without public pressure or coaching. The Holy Spirit can fill a person without man’s help. The real baptism is NOT a learned experience, but quite the opposite. The baptism is God filling the person the person with Himself.
The person should be willing to speak out in faith, and allow the Holy Spirit to take over the natural language they are using in their prayers. Sometimes it helps not to speak a natural language, but to just utter sounds, in order to disconnect their minds from trying to influence the initiation of the baptism. This is done, knowing that these are just sounds to relax the person and their tongue, and not a real language. Many times, people feel so self conscious with others around, they cannot receive this gift. It is best then, to go and be alone with God, and let Him minister to them without anyone around.
There is also a proper timing for things of God, so one should not get discouraged if they ask, and there is a delay. A delay is not a denial. There may be a delay because there is something spiritually blocking the person, such a fear, self conscious feelings, doubt, sin, confusion about what the baptism is, need for acceptance or attention, etc. The person needs to relax, be humble, and trust God.
Speaking in tongues comes from the spirit of the person, under the influence of the Holy Spirit, who overshadows the person’s spirit.
However, the source of the activity is the spirit, not the brain. No one can get their brain to do this…the brain may be affected by it though.
Prayer life with the baptism
I speak and pray in tongues for about 2 hours a day. Sometimes, I have gone longer than that. I have an active prayer life. This is a gift which is given to those for service, intercession and prayer. It is meant to be a protected prayer language to avoid attack by dark spiritual forces, which can hear prayers and form plans against what they hear. It is also a humble experience, because one is usually kept from the interpretation, to show the person there is so much they do not know, that God does. In the prayer, the Holy Spirit helps the person pray perfectly in God’s will, so that the prayers will be answered.
There are times when the interpretation is made known, maybe in part or completely. This is for the edification of the person. I am aware of what certain words mean when I pray…I hope in time, that more meaning comes to me.
Note:
It is not a dream, and is done consciously…. although the person is not controlling the words spoken.
I hope that this helps others understand this experience a little better. God is real and working today, and one must not let cynicism, or disbelief, keep them from receiving what god has for them.
There does not need to be a special prayer to receive the baptism of the holy spirit. Use your own words. Just ask the Father in Jesus name for this. You do not need a recipe. The Father wants to hear from you. If you do not get a prayer language right away, that is ok. Continue in faith. If you need it, the Holy Spirit will give it to you at the proper time.
For the one who asks, “are the tongues real or fake?” I would say this: Scripture says a good tree produces good fruit. If the tongues are real, the person will be guided by the Holy Spirit, be reverent and humble with their gift, and will not abuse the gift for selfish purposes. Also, if the person has asked sincerely, then they should expect to receive in faith what they asked for. If they, instead, have acquired the tongues by an artificial means, somehow “learning” what to do, or made up something under pressure of others to please them, then the tongues most likely will not be real.
Steps to receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit
1. repent of all sins
( if you are new to salvation, be sure you understand what sin is, and what activities are sins. You cannot repent of something if you do not know it is wrong.)
2. renounce sin – make a decision that you will not do these things any more. get public baptism, if possible.
3. you must surrender totally to the power of the Holy Spirit. You must obey Him, as He will expect you to give your life to God.
4. Desire the gift with all your heart ( John 7:37)
5. Ask in faith.
6. Worship God. The spirit comes as you actively pursue His presence. Do not be passive about it.
7. Be patient. The gift could come quickly, or after a time.
8. Open your mouth and speak in faith. Do not use your own language. Just utter sounds, to show submission and willingness, and allow the Holy Spirit to convert these sounds into a prayer language. You will know the difference between your own sounds, and a change to another language that you have no control over.
Clarification:
Maybe I should re-word some things I say. To disconnect the brain is only referring to the moment when you receive the baptism. It just means do not let it be a mental activity, where you force some artificial behavior on yourself.
There are churches who “teach” tongues, and people “learn” tongues. For me, to disconnect the brain really means to stop using your own mind to control the activity, and let God take over and do it correctly. That way, you get the true gift, and not the counterfeit.
But of course, we should use our minds, and fill them with the Word of God, so we are not deceived.
For anyone, we have unconscious pressures that influence our readiness. We have to examine our motives, and ignore expectations of others to “do it their way.” Or sometimes, god just wants us to learn patience and wisdom first, so that we use our gift the right way.
There can be delays to receiving the baptism of the holy spirit, but when God thinks you are ready, and you also know in your heart you are ready, everything will work out fine, and occur in a way that will inspire you.
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See also “The Church is Having a Power Failure” (signs and wonders gone in the church?) Click here for more
See also “Fake and Real Charismatics” Click here for more
See also “The Wheat and the Tares” Click here for more
See also “God’s Glory- a Practical Application” Click here for more
See also Speaking in Tongues – the Science and the Spirit Click here for more




So would it not be better to pray in silence where the enemy cannot hear ! her closet.
Matt 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
True, most prayer should be done alone. There maybe times when corporate prayer is needed, then it should be done in one’s own language. It would have to be a special circumstance to pray in tongues with others around. If so, then done quietly, and in order.
Having exeperienced both private and coporate prayer I would say that as I have noticed….but forms of prayer have helped me at different times in life. During a medical procedure I was able to use tongues to cope. I use tongues in a private way and I feel the Lord’s presence.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, so that others may understand this better.
**I have the baptism of the Holy Spirit with tongues as the SPIRIT gives utterance and I want to say that this article has given me so much insight especially regarding praying in tongues I know the Lord lead me here for the answer I needed! thx!
Thank you Vern, for your sweet comment. I hope you have a blessed life.
Take heed lest ye be deceived….read this
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/testing-the-gift-of-tongues-what-are-you-afraid-of-if-you-do/
Hi Derek,
Thanks for your comment.
I am familiar with that website, and have contributed there. What I have noticed in recent times is that confessing that Jesus has come in the flesh is very easy for many people to do, yet their spiritual gift is still far from believable. People with religious spirits can do this. That test is mainly for people who are actually possessed. People who entertain religious spirits are not possessed, but oppressed. So you are talking really to the person, not the spirit. That way, you get an acceptable answer.
So we do have to use more than one test to discern properly. We do not want to quench the true presence of the Holy Spirit and mislabel Him when He is really present. But, we do want to discern and deal with counterfeits also.
Marianne
I cant use tongues as gift from God… Im Deaf and I cant hear or anything but God gave me another gift instead of Tongues and Im very happy for what he already gave me.. it will bs stronger when time is come.
I have gifts of prophesy, faith and discerment of spirits. those gifts he gave me for long time.. for prophesy . mostly are Dreams, visions.
sometimes I can read what God write in my prophetic dreams. sometimes I have to know the difference its from God or its from Satan ( bad ones).
Bad ones make the dreams look beautiful or make you feel good. its not true. I know God gave me dreams that make me feel disgusting or gross but thats his truth.
Sometimes I need depth understanding what the dreams mean or how it revealed to me. sometimes I rejected the dreams because it doesnt make sense to me. how can I understand what it doesnt make sense. its very challenging.
Thanks for allowing me to share this.. Can you send me the linkd of Signs and wonders and other spiritual gifts?
RoseFire
Hi RoseFire,
You are very blessed and loved by God. I would not be concerned about this one gift, when you have all those other gifts. Each person is blessed in a different way. Enjoy yours!
I am not sure about the link you want. But read 1 Cor 12
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?t=KJV&x=46&y=6&b=1Cr&c=12&v=1
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I would like to make the clarification that being baptized with the Holy Spirit does not necessarily accompany the gift of tongues. I had a very real experience with this baptism and even heard an audible word from God “WELCOME”. However, instead of the gift of tongues, which, according to scripture is the “least” of the spiritual gifts, I was given the gift of prophesy or the ability to prophesy the Word of God by giving a “word in due season” and speaking forth the Word of God as though God is speaking through me. I believe the gift of tongues is real, however I believe it is over emphasized and does not edify the Body of Christ, only the individual believer. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a real experience and the Spirit gives DIFFERENT gift(s) as He CHOOSES. Every believer does not receive the gift of tongues!
Hi Lynn,
What you say is very true. The Holy Spirit manifests in different ways, and how each individual is blessed is the sovereign decision of God.
I was trying to just address the tongues aspect here, keeping the focus more narrow, since so many do not believe in it. But to explain the other gifts would give a more balanced view.
thanks
marianne
The gift of tongues is not the evidence of a Spirit filled life but a tool for personal edification and collective exhortation through interpretation. The evidence is only found when one exhibits the fruits of the Spirit. Many in Pentecostal/Charismatic/Holiness circles embrace the gift of tongues as that which occurred on Pentecost, yet this was a miracle of God provided to spread the gospel throughout the ancient World, these were known tongues. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are given as tools for evangelism not for our own personal exaltation or glory. Christianity is dead without evangelism, without the exercising of our faith we are nothing more than dry bones. The Apostle Paul rebuked the Church at Corinth for their need for self exaltation in placing their gift above their mission, tongues was prevalent yet so was lack of discipline and order.
Rodney,
What you say is very true. For those who truly have this gift, they will be held responsible by God someday for how they used it. How many souls did they reach and pray for?
We all have been given something by God for service in His kingdom, as in the parable of the talents. If we misuse our talent, or don’t use it, then God will consider us unfaithful servants. Good observation.
blessings
marianne
Hi~
You wrote,”…and there are those who are witch hunters, trying to denounce every act of God, in order to quench what they perceive as fake. There is a mindset that thinks since they do not have it, then it must not be real, because they think they are so holy, that they should have more gifts than others. It is this very prideful mindset that prevents them from receiving the real experience. To be fair, this bitterness may also be due to bad experiences with the fake experience, and now they think everything is fake…”
I feel I must address your comments, because they are written with an attitude of judgement, & are clearly not written with love, and the truth is, I know for a fact that you’re wrong about their motives (not that some may not feel this way, but most don’t!)
I’ve been a believer for 20 years now, & was pentacostal for many…then into home-church, as I began to see & stand against ‘churchianity”…& now, I sometimes attend an Independant Baptist church, not because I believe all their doctrines, but because they’re the only church I’ve been able to find where I am where they’re not into every false wind of doctrine permeating & corrupting the majority of the body of Christ, (the great falling away that’s been prophesied, though they like to beleive there’ll be a great end-time revival! The opposite of what God said is coming!) & they understand what it means to be separate from the world, & not love the world.
I believe tongues are a legitimate gift, but yes, waaaay over-epmhasised. But I have ready many, many articles from their writings (independant baptists…can’t speak for anyone else!)about why they reject it as a gift for now in the church, & their reasons are NOT about pride, or thinking they should have more gifts than other believers, or they’re more holy than others.
It’s also not right to call them witch hunters, they are clearly seeking to obey scriptures, & believe that, scripturally, there is no more need for tongues, & it’s passed away. (Right or wrong, their motive is obedience!)
They also believe scripture is clear that the language given was a KNOWN one spoken in the book of Acts, understood by those visiting from other places & hearing the gospel preached in their own language…(which I believe, about the day of Pentacost, but there is also the reference in 1 Cor. 13 about “the tongues of men AND ANGELS…” so I’m still studying this, & praying about it…)
…& yes, they’ve also seen the carnal attempts by many of those swept up in charismania to ‘be more gifted than others’…but for the most part, they don’t deny that those people are saved (only the Lord knows their heart) but pray for God to make the truth known to them, out of love for them. You don’t know them, or their hearts, (though I know you’re speaking generally, about ALL those who reject tongues for now) & so need to pay attention to your heart attitude towards those who don’t agree with you…be fully convinced, study the Word, but remember He died for them ,too! & we’re not 100% right in EVERYTHING yet, either! *grin*
That’s another thing that draws me to their churches…they love & pray for others, & though they’re not always open to re-considering their positions, I have known numerous ones who will humble themselves when scripture proves their position unbiblical.
So please, keep on exposing the lies with the truth…but in love! If you write without it, it is clear to those walking in it that it’s missing…& if we have not love, we’re just clanging cymbals…
{…believe me, I know. I used to clang REAL loud!}
~Anastazia~
I just wanted to share with you that I totally understand how you feel. The reason I agree with the author of this blog, though, is because, it wasn’t until after I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking with tongues, that I saw how my pride had been keeping me from it. On a subconscious level I got angry when people tried to insinuate that my walk with God was missing something. I didn’t want to believe that there was something with God I didn’t have. When people told me there was more I got irritated and judgmental towards them. After I got it, I realized they were right and it took humility to see that. I pray you continue to be blessed on your journey and that the Lord will reveal Himself to you in the same way He was for me in Jesus name. Sincerely, Jacqueline
hi Jacqueline
Thank you for your comments. We that have the baptism have all been through what you have, so do not feel alone. But what a blessing it is when we finally receive it!.
May God bless you on your spiritual path, and may he protect and provide for you in the days ahead.
Hi Anastazia,
This particular post was about the REAL manifestation of the Holy Spirit, as evidenced by the speaking in tongues.
I have other posts on fake tongues.
I have other posts on real signs and wonders.
Maybe I should link them together.
Since this post was ONLY about the true gift, then comments about unfair criticism would apply. If this was a post about the fake stuff, then obviously criticism would be appropriate.
The issue here is that when the true gift is present, then respect it as from God.
I will try to add the other links so that this is more clear.
thanks and blessings
marianne
I usually speak in tongues when I am praying for someone. If that person is manifesting an evil spirit I get real loud with the tongues. It’s not me but the Holy Spirit . Probably because I really don’t know what to pray for .
Hi Shannon,
None of us know really how to pray. That is why the Holy Spirit helps us. I am glad he blesses your life with prayer through Him.
blessings
marianne
Marianne, I came across your blog only today and love it. I’d like to link the site I’m working on to it. (I’ve spent the bulk of the last several hours reading your articles
)If the early church is our template, then we can hardly afford to be wrong about the topic of tongues. In the book of Acts, every occurence of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit was accompanied with tongues. Too many Christians cherry pick scriptures and daisy chain together a theology that isnt credible. Viewing the scriptures as a whole, the prominence of the Holy Spirit is undeniable. It is no wonder then that Jesus had this to say about the Spirit: The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Even eschaetological newbies can attest that the word for wind here is the same as the word for Spirit. Only the context is the delineation. So if the wind is known by the sound it makes, why not the spirit? Further, there is Mark 16:17 : And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues” In all my study concerning the topic, I’ve never, read NEVER come across a convincing argument that invalidates the words of Jesus here as fiat, that the Spirit is evidenced by tongues. Even the Old Testament bears cogent witness to this phenomena; Isaiah has this to say: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. There is perfect etymological symmetry between the word “rest” in Isaiah and “comforter” in the the book of John. Tongues is for all who are willing to receive it. While I agree that an inordinate amount of time is spent in ambivalence on whether it is de facto or not, I dont believe that it is a subjective occurence. Paul says to desire spiritual gifts, (do you think it was for nothing that he also said that he spoke in tongues more than all? It added nothing to his argument, but served to say in order and under the sanctioning of the Spirit, it is neccessary) we should all desire the gift of tongues. In full disclosure, I am a Holy Spirit filled, non-denominational Christian who speaks in tongues.
I agree Amardo!! Here is what I posted on “speaking in Tongues” page:
I learned something new these last few days. When trying to explain “tongues” and why it is the evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit to a certain individual, the Holy Spirit explained “tongues” to me!! LOL
He explained that tongues will always be present after receiving Him-the baptism in the Holy Spirit-BECAUSE this is HIS LANGUAGE! Tongues has nothing to do with us or a special “gift” per se. The GIFT is actually receiving the Holy Spirit!! AMEN!
“tongues” is simply the Holy Spirit talking and praying-HIS LANGUAGE. You can’t have one without the other!!
This made such perfect sense! G-d is Simple and we make Him out to be more complicated then we need to.
lyndsey said this on October 24, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Reply
Dear Amardo,
Thank you so much for your comments and insights. Having the baptism of the holy spirit cannot be appreciated, unless one haves it, I think. People are just suspicious, because there is a counterfeit to it, and people with the counterfeit will act unbecoming to what the Holy Spirit would have them do. All we can do is encourage others to seek the true gift, with humility and sincerity.
blessings
marianne
Yes!
I have never posted before. Yet you block my comment.
Hi eddie
I have not blocked any comments. Your email did come back as wrong, however. Your comments are welcome.
blessings
marianne
Wonderfully written article. I was led by the Holy Spirit to request the gift of tongues although it is not something spoken of or promoted @ the non-denominational Church I attend. The Spirit Called-I followed-later to find out there are others who also pray privately in the Spirit.
It may be a “lesser” gift but I cherish it with all my heart. In addition I receive “a word” from the Lord @ times in moments of spiritual clarity.
Those who truly yield and follow may be suprised in what the Holy Spirit will teach them. I certainly was never expecting to pray in tongues.
It’s too bad so many of the non-denominatonal Churches don’t teach these truths. But I suppose Christians who don’t quench the Spirit will be led to God’s will for their lives regardless. One way or the other.
Dead Late Night Lisa
Thank you for your insights. I am glad that you have been blessed this way. Sometimes a private blessing is much more wonderful than something that is used in public.
blessings
marianne
I just found your site and have been reading lots of your posts but coudln’t resist commenting on this one.
I came from a church background that preached tongues were “dead”:only the believers back in Jesus times got them, and “we don’t need them today”. Fast forward to when I was late 20′s and going through the biggest crises of my life. It was a wonderful miraculous story how I got the indwelling of the Holy Spirit accomanied by tongues (and I’d been a Christian since 9). (This is the short version!) Picture me sitting in a circle praying and holding hands w/2 other people I’d never met before, praying in the Spirit, (I had JUST received the gift a few moments before this, thanks to one of those people helping me) when all of a sudden we all burst out laughing (still praying, eyes closed) and laughed and prayed at the same time, for quite a few minutes, then all stopped suddenly at the same time. It was the weirdest, coolest experience I’d ever had! God became so HUGE to me after that weekend. Everything was different. Now there are times in my life when I am do deeply distraught and grief stricken that the ONLY thing I can do is pray in the Spirit because I’m absolutely at a loss for words, and God, in His tremendous mercy, comforts me during those prayer times. I wouldn’t give it up for the world!
Dear Amy
It is always wonderful to hear about others receiving this experience. Joy and blessings are available to us now in this world, to help us through all the challenges and trials. We should all seek God for the spiritual strength he has to offer.
blessings
marianne
I have asked over and over again…and still nothing what’s wrong with me ? I ‘m sure I’m saved because Jesus Christ is my saviour I study my Bible, sing God’s praise in my heart all day long but I feel being such a bad christian…I don’t know…
Dear Beatrice,
That happened to me too. It was a long time before I received it. Sometimes our surroundings block us. Some people receive the baptism in a group of people, others are inhibited by the crowd, and are better off by themselves. Sometimes we have fears or uncertainties, or unconfessed sins. Our minds can block this experience. We have to relax, ask and be persistent.
Be patient, and try to dismiss the blocks in your mind. Disconnect your brain. Do you have a place you can go and just be alone? Maybe you should go there, and set a few hours aside, speak just any sounds (not your own language), and keep doing this until your faith overcomes your inhibitions. This is how I received the baptism.
Now, each person is different. So what was best for me, may not be for you. We are all unique. Let me know how this effort progresses for you.
blessings
marianne
I stumbled upon this site and am really amazed at the wisdom and thoughtful, intelligent discussion of so many topics. And I am struck Marianne by your kind responses. However, when reading this particular thread, I felt the need to issue a caution, especially for those who are seeking this gift and have not be given this gift. Many years ago, I felt a strong desire to have this gift. I spent weeks asking God to reveal my sin and confessing my sin, reading his word, praying – and it culminated in a terrifying dream that I awoke from and knew immediately the answer for me was no. It was not maybe or wait, it was NO. God revealed that for me to be edified and given power, I needed to study his word, memorizing scripture, meditating on it – and just regular old praying and being obedient to his word, walking with him, revering him. I feel if I had continued seeking this gift then I would have received a counterfeit which is what actually has, I believe, happened to my sister. She supposedly has this gift, but ever since receiving it, I feel she has been oppressed by Satan, she is suffering mental illness now years later and has tried to commit suicide twice. And I can’t help but wonder if some of the counterfeit stuff out there comes about from believers who feel that something is wrong with them because they believe they should have this gift. I don’t quite understand why that belief is encouraged because it seems to me that scripture clearly states in I Cor. 12 that though we are all baptized with one spirit, we are given different gifts. I also felt very concerned about your advice to disconnect your brain – I feel this is also very dangerous and may open yourself up to something that is not from God. May I suggest that instead of disconnecting your brain, that you instead fill your mind with God’s word. Memorize and pray God’s word. I believe that is what John 15:7 teaches us. “If you remain in me, and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish and it will be given you.” Though I don’t speak in tongues I can praise God for the Holy Spirit’s indwelling (Jn. 14:17, Romans 8:9, I Cor. 3:16, Ephesians 2:22) his comfort (John 14:16), his revealing truth (John 16:13, I Cor. 2:13, John 14:26, etc.). I am sealed by him (Eph. 4:30), he convicts me of sin (Jn.16:7,8) and he does indeed intercede for me also with groans that words cannot express, and he intercedes for me (a saint through Christ’s shed blood for my sin) according to God’s will (though I don’t hear it audibly, I know in my spirit that his word and his promises are true). And by the way, isn’t it amazing that Jesus is at the right hand of God interceding for us, also? (Hebrews 7:25) And Romans 8:32 says, “He who did not spare his own son, but gave him up for us all, how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all the we need?” What an amazing God we have!!!
An afterthought to my previous message, I sought this gift years ago and God said no but he has brought this issue into my life again recently, so I am asking God if this is something that may be a part of his plan for me now. So I am seeking his direction and am praying. Thanking God for guidance – Psalm 32:8, “I will instruct you and teach you in the way that you should go, I will counsel you and watch over you.”
Hi Lisa,
Maybe I should re-word some things I say. To disconnect the brain only meant at the time of receiving the baptism, just means to not let it be a mental activity, where you force some artificial behavior on yourself.
There are churches who “teach” tongues, and people “learn” tongues. For me, to disconnect the brain really means to stop using your own mind to control the activity, and let God take over and do it correctly. That way, you get the true gift, and not the counterfeit.
But of course, we should use our minds, and fill them with the Word of God, so we are not deceived. Thanks for pointing out the confusion. I should clarify what I meant.
For anyone, we have unconscious pressures that influence our readiness. We have to examine our motives, and ignore expectations of others to “do it their way.” Or sometimes, god just wants us to learn patience and wisdom first, so that we use our gift the right way.
There can be delays to receiving the baptism of the holy spirit, but when God thinks you are ready, and you also know in your heart you are ready, everything will work out fine, and occur in a way that will inspire you.
blessings
marianne
Hi this blog is great I will be recommending it to friends.
Interesting blog, I’ll try and spread the word.
Let us not forget GOD’s WORD for absolute authority and understanding:-
2 Timothy 4:2-5 “In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry”.
Acts 1v8 Jesus tells us that when the were to be filled with the Holy Spirit, they would receive power to witness. “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
I am motivated, like Marianne, through love for Christ, by his first love for me, and I love my fellow mankind and to witness to you “BY HIS WORD”.
On 15th Feb Marianne suggested to Beatrice to “disconnect your brain” but scripture says in 2 Timothy 1:7 “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear;but of power,and of love,and of a SOUND MIND”.
There is confusion about the biblical meaning of tongues. May each and every one of you read this website artice for edification.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books,%20Tracts%20&%20Preaching/Printed%20Books/the_tongues_confusion-curtis_hutson.htm
Hi Derek
Do not worry. I am in line with scripture. Look at my March 1, 2009 comment. I explain what I mean, to Lisa, after I had also explained to Beatrice off line. You see, there are other conversations that occur once my comment is emailed back to the person. Sometimes you do not see all that is discussed. The person will write back and we will discuss it further. It just means not to make receiving the baptism a result of intentional mental efforts, resulting in a fake experience, rather than submitting to the Holy Spirit, and letting him deal with our spirit.
But what you say is true, about being properly informed about what the spiritual experience is supposed to be, because then we will not be deceived.
Hi Marianne,
Acts 17:11 “Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true”.
Please be honourable to God’s Word and please quote scripture every time you give your comments and advice, because without chapter & verse of authority, it is just philosophy.
I encourage and pray that you & all reader will give the time for study:
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/testing-the-gift-of-tongues-what-are-you-afraid-of-if-you-do/
And:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books,%20Tracts%20&%20Preaching/Printed%20Books/the_tongues_confusion-curtis_hutson.htm
Derek Stansbury ( UK )
Amen, Derek.
If scripture cannot decisively back up our position, then we need to reconsider our viewpoint. Instead, Christians often pick over scripture so that it appears to align itself with their own ideals or worldview. This process involves clinging to partial truths or even lies (Hosea 10:13). None of us is above deception which is why we must fellowship with one another, challenging ourselves with the study of God’s Word (Heb. 10:25; Titus 3:3; Matt. 24:11). I commend your willingness to do so here.
I visited the second link you posted and was pleased to find that it was quite thorough and filled with God’s Word. I’ve found 1 Corinthians 14:22-23 quite helpful in understanding the purpose of tongues and its place in our world today. If someone is overwhelmed by the wealth of information found at your link, I would encourage them to thoughtfully study this passage.
God Bless,
Heather
Acts 1:8 is the TRUE sign of the Holy Spirit filled Christian……that WE WILL WITNESS to the ends of the earth.
Mark 16:15 is the command to true believers to do so.
Jesus said “COME UNTO ME, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” Matthew 11:28
Jesus said “ I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by ME. ” John 14:6
Jesus said “ He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. ” John 6:24
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23
All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
IF WE CONFESS our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say
that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:9-10
God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:12
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
But he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life. John 3:36
If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth Romans 1:16
Hi Derek,
Thanks for all your scriptures. I hope everyone reads them and benefits.
Good verses to hide in our hearts – and share. I want to add another verse in light of Easter that has to do with resurrection and the hope we have in Christ. Lazarus is dead and Jesus is coming to him days after he has been dead – John 11:25, 26. Jesus said to her (Martha), I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies, and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this? Martha says that yes, she believes but then later he has to remind her, verse 40 – “Didn’t I tell you that if you believed you would see the glory of God?” What a reminder that we need to believe God!
Hi Lisa,
Thanks for the extra inspiration, especially now, around resurrection time.
This is not scriptural. When you are saved you receive the Holy Spirit. It is Christ who baptizes you with the Holy Spirit. There is no such thing as a second baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Also, regarding your bride book. I was concerned with the chapter regarding Benny Hinn. What is your current view on this television pastor?
Also, regarding the Jezebel spirit. There is no scripture to support this premise. Jezebel was a person in the Old Testament. There is no Jezebel spirit. There is sin and that is all.
Some of the other topics regarding the level of your faith. Where in scripture are you getting all this from? While some of what you say is true there is also an element of error in what you are saying. You seem to have a very negative outlook on what it is to be a Christian. If you want to know about faith being tested then I would suggest you read the Book of Job.
God does not abandon you and to tell people this is totally unscriptural. Christ says he will never abandon or forsake you. If you don’t feel that you have a connection to Christ especially in your trials then I would have to say that you are a very immature Christian.
God is the one who sustains you through all things.
Dear Contender,
This refers to the fire of the Holy Spirit the disciples received on Pentecost, when flames of fire came down upon them, and they spoke with other tongues. Many people use the word baptism for this experience. It does not negate the water baptism.
Benny Hinn was just part of the story. Now, I wish it had been someone else. Considering his current behavior, I do not endorse any materialism, false teachings, or practices.
The word Jezebel here is a “label,” used to express a pattern of evil behaviors that was characteristic of Queen Jezebel in the old testament: aggressive, violent, treacherous, angry, liar, Baal worship (idolatry, child sacrifice/abortion, sexual sin, harvest and prosperity), domination over the male, etc.
As far as other topics, I give scriptural references along with the view. I do not know what you are referring to exactly. I view belonging to christ as the center of my life. I see sin in the church and false doctrines, and I discuss it. Christianity is failing because of the great falling away, but Jesus never fails.
Jesus does not abandon us, if we belong to him. If we reject him, we will end up in hell. But that is not abandonment. That is judgment we bring upon ourselves by rejecting Him.
wow, great discussion guys. This is good website because it feels “free” Liberty…:D
I think what was said was right, we all have a unique journey, some of us reason, some feel, some just love, some a skeptic, its all good, just keep talking.
I think God loves us all, nonCHristian too, it’s a level playing field now, dont you think
Hi mj
Bible says, where the spirit is, there is liberty!
as we discuss, disagree, agree, we all come to a greater understanding.
Hi Marianne,
Yes, “where the spirit is there is liberty” – this is found in 2 Corinthians verse 17. The Bible is always the source for truth. It is the truth that sets us free! John 8:32
i am new to the sight i love my conecting with my prayers to the high place of god thru the holly spirt please pray for us everyone who reads this my sisterinlaw is a practiceing witch my husband is trying to help get his brothers mind to open to the spirt of god i read the prayer on witchcraft before he went to see his brother i am going to keep praying till he gets back
Hi Marianne, me again LOL
I am posting this publicly in case someone else has had the same issue.
Shortly after I recevied the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, I started experiencing heat/electricity in my hands whenever I was around a sick person (I worked at a doctors office at the time so you can imagine how often this occured LOL). A friend of mine at the time explained to me that it was the gifts of healing. I had no idea of these gifts when i had asked for the baptism. Long story short, one evening when working at the doctors office (physicians immediate med here in Georgia), a man and his family came knocking on the door soon after we closed. He was desperate and explained that he needed to see the doctor right away because he was in alot of pain. He kept holding his hand over his jaw where his tooth hurt. The doctor came out to the waiting room and told him he needed to go to the ER because we were closed-he looked so upset and in pain. While sitting there with the other receptionist and looking at this family, my hands were on fire. In fact, my whole body was hot. I knew that the Holy Spirit wanted me to lay hands on this man-no doubt whatsoever. Marianne, I sat there fighting this. I was so concerned with what my coworkers would think of me-they would think I was crazy. My thoughts were interuppted with my co-worker asking me what was wrong. I said nothing. I even remember the man looking straight at me. I did nothing. When he left I even thought of jumping up and meeting him outside-I did nothing. I am still “on fire” at this point with the “tingling/electricity” in my hands. I asked God in that moment to please take it away. I couldn’t handle it. I have never experienced it since.
I regret that day more than anything. First, I disobeyed God. I failed Him miserably. I am so grieved over this to this day..20 years later. I remembered this day when my first son was diagnosed with Autism. I sat there in the Neurologists office hearing the words but refused to believe them. I have been pleading with God to return the gift so that He could heal my son thru me. Nothing has happened. I am still waiting.
I have asked God to forgive me. I have worked on forgiving myself. If a gift is given by God is it truly taken away, even if we ask him too, or does it just lay dormant? I have searched the scriptures and have yet to find anything to give me comfort over this.
The Holy Spirit is still with me with the beautiful languages he chooses to pray in. He has given me discernment/knowledge on several occasions that proved to be accurate even tho it was several months later.
Has anyone else on here experienced anything similar? Did God ever return the gift? Most importantly, Will God forgive me for disobeying him? and how do I forgive myself for failing Him?
Thanks Marianne,
Lyndsey
hi Lyndsey
The closest I had to a similar experience was a 3 year period when it seemed many miraculous events occurred. I could lay hands on the oppressed and cast our devils. I do not see those opportunities any more, although that could change.
I think God gives us gifts for each season of our lives. It may not be punishment that you are experiencing, so do not take it so hard. There is nothing you can do now.
God forgave you long ago.
When the time is right, God will give you more opportunities. So just be patient and trust him. We are here to do his will, not our desire. When he has something for us to do, he will let us know.
Re-reading the above posts. I had forgotten that I had even posted here. Your words still give comfort; thank you!
Hope all is well with you and your family.
Hi Lyndsey,
I had a powerful tangable encounter with god and became born againI feel the tightening and the electricity in my arm and hand and started to lay hands on my children and they would get healed Lindsay Faith is an action by reaching your hand laying it on a sick person and commanding a healing is an act of faith start laying hands on your family members faith must be from both sides.
Here is something quite remarkable that most people do not know.
Demons travel on sound frequency, which means language and voice is the best place to look for them. They are continuously trying to control our speech patterns for this thing comes naturally to them as “messingers”. Communication through sound frequency is their thing whither it is the music industry or your unknown tongue. Are you willing to take a chance with this for one more day? Are you willing to curse Jesus christ one more day? Is it worth it to take the chance of cursing the Most High? We are to be pure, especially in this age, it is not worth the chance. I have e-mailed you one other time and i gave you up as an apostate.
You would do well to seek the Lord in this thing and comr out of this sin. With love, we need all the sober believers we can get right noe.
Annie,
I can only speak for myself and my experience. When my father died recently my faith was definitely tested. Long story short, a friend of mine told me “go back to that which you know to be true”. The only thing I knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be TRUE was the Holy Spirit and having received Him in my early 20′s with the evidence of speaking another language of which I had never learned! I honestly didn’t know what to even pray…so I submitted to the Holy Spirit and He spoke on my behalf…I kept hearing “pa pa” several times….By praying in the Spirit I was able to grieve the loss of my father and return back to the belief in my Heavenly Father. NO demon did that! No cursing…only blessing and language in the most PURE form! Only G-D the Father, G-D the Son and G-D the Holy Spirit is able to that!
1 Corinthians 12:3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:26 26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.
I’m like this as well it is very personal between you and christ.I had spent two weeks in C.A.It was time to come back home.
when i prayed that before going to bed i asked God don’t let the plane leave the ground.So, the holy spirit woke me up and i said i bet it was about that plane.My sister was sleeping in the same room.I got up she said what is you doing i said i have to pray.So i start praying in tongues for a while.She did’nt understand what was going on at the time.Then i went to bed.The next morning I went on during what i had to do.We are at the air port to come back home.The plane tried leaving 4 times and the pilot said they had a problem with the plane.I was so happy,so very happy.Other people was so mad all they could see is that they could’nt off on time.Planes can’t land on clouds.I don’t always do what the holy spirit say’s.I don’t beat my self up over it i ask forgiven and go on and learn to do better.One of my cousins is not here today cost she did’t listen to the holy spirit.She left word with a close friend on her job stating she felt she should’nt go on a trip.All 4 died at one time.If i have a dream before hand i ask questions from different people.If no one can tell anything it’s about another you know.Please if the holy spirit wake you early morning hrs.get up and pray you are helping some body.Thanks,GP
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Amen Gracie!
email from Lyndsey
To summarize, why then should we encourage speaking in tongues today, in the 21st century?
• Jesus said that believers would (Mark 16:17).
• Tongues certify and give evidence that the person is baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5; 2:1-4; 10:44-46; 11:15-17; 19:1-6).
• Speaking in tongues is a good opportunity to submit to the Holy Spirit’s leading (Acts 2:4).
• Tongues demonstrate the reality of God in the speaker’s life (Acts 11:15-18).
• The baptism with the Holy Spirit, evidenced by speaking in tongues, opens the door to other gifts of the Spirit (Acts 19:2,6).
• Tongues with interpretation are “for the [church’s] common good” (1 Corinthians 12:7, 10).
• Speaking in tongues is speaking to God (1 Corinthians 14:2a).
• Praying in tongues is praying “in” or “with the Spirit” (1 Corinthians 14:2, 14-15).
• The speaker in tongues is edified (1 Corinthians 14:4).
• The apostle Paul expressly approved of tongues (1 Corinthians 14:5a, 39).
• A tongue followed by an interpretation edifies the church (1 Corinthians 14:5, 12-13).
• Tongues allow us a balanced prayer and worship life, both with the spirit and with the understanding (1 Corinthians 14:14-15).
• When speaking in tongues, you may be giving thanks well to God (1 Corinthians 14:16-17).
• Speaking in tongues was apostolic practice (1 Corinthians 14:18 and at Pentecost).
• Tongues with interpretation are an appropriate, strengthening part of an edifying church service (1 Corinthians 14:26).
From the bottom of my heart, I commend to you the words of the apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:5: “I would like every one of you to speak in tongues.”
http://www.jimfeeney.org/speakingintongues.html
Lyndsey
Scriptural Evidence to support the Baptism of the Holy Spirit:
Mark 16: 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; THEY SHALL SPEAK WITH NEW TONGUES’;
Luke 4:1
Luke 11:13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Luke 12:11
John 14:15
The Promise of the Holy Spirit
15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 ¶ I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
***Acts, the entire chapter speaks of the Holy Spirit
Acts 1:4On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5For John baptized witha water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
Acts 1:8 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 2:1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 2:14….be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Acts 2:38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, AND ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 19:
1While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2and asked them, “DID YOU RECIEVE the Holy Spirit whena you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
3So Paul asked, “THEN WHAT BAPTISM DID YOU RECEIVE?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
4Paul said, “JOHN’S BAPTISM WAS A BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5On hearing this, they were baptized intob the name of the Lord Jesus. 6When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and THEY SPOKE IN TONGUESc and prophesied. 7There were about twelve men in all.
***Acts 19:1-7 Clearly shows that there are 2 separate baptisms and that speaking in tongues comes AFTER the Holy Spirit baptism.
*** 1Corinthians, explains the spiritual gifts that come AFTER the baptism of the Holy Spirit
1 Corinthians 3:16
1 Corinthians 6:19
1 Corinthians 14:4
1 Corinthians 12:7
Romans 5: 5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Romans 8: 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. (to be after the spirit and spritually minded comes from receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit)
Romans 8:9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, IF SO BE that the Spirit of God DWELL IN YOU
Romans 8:11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead SHALL ALSO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU. (this sounds like the Holy Spirit is the one who will help us ascend to meet Jesus Christ in the air
Romans 8:26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Romans 14:17
*When I did my research on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit before receiving him, I was also referred to Smith Wigglesworth and his book titled “baptism in the Holy Spirit”
there is a discussion on another page on this. I hope they come over here and read the post.
Speaking with new tongues means a language new to the believer. Not a new language to the world.
These things happened a long time ago with the change from the Old Testament to the New. A time when G-d’s word was not given to us as we know it now called the Bible.
Those things had to happen then to carry the message of Christ to the world. Do Christians talk in a new laungage,(tongues), now given to them by G-d the Father in Christ’s name?
Everything I read states no.
The why did Jesus say they will speak with NEW tongues?
Mark 16:17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in NEW TONGUES.
Leatherneck, I have been where you are be it 22 years ago.
My boyfriend at the time was spirit filled. On our way to church I heard him praying in tongues quietly in the car-it drove me nuts! I told him to stop. At church, I was new there, I heard them all speak in tongues-I thought they were all crazy (they were mad) and demon possessed and I had to report them-to whom, I didn’t know-but they had to be reported!! LOL
My boyfriend thought I was demon possessed because I couldn’t stand to hear him speak in tongues! He took me to one of their bishops (he wore a collar) for my exorcism…laughing. (In hindsight, I think G-d was having a very good laugh!)
The Bishop made me look at him in his eyes-I did-and he said that a demon could not look a holy man in the eyes. I was so relieved and I was so mad at my boyfriend for embarrassing me.
Long story short, I took it upon myself to research it. I trusted G-d with all my heart and I trusted the scriptures, for I knew they were without error. To help in my research, I was told to read the book by Smith wigglesworth, “the baptism in the Holy Spirit”.
I read the scriptures supporting the baptism of the Holy Spirit; I prayed to G-d to help me understand and I read the book by Wigglesworth. One December evening around 3am in the morning while reading the book, I met the Holy Spirit!!! I don’t know even know what words to use to describe such an incredible moment. For the first time I felt the supernatural presence of G-d almighty! I then heard different syllables in my thoughts and when I opened my mouth I started speaking another language-fluently and without hesitation. I had never heard this language before but I was speaking it just the same as the Holy Spirit kept the words flowing. As the years have gone by-now 22 years later-I have heard different languages-some were identifiable such as Hebrew-a lot of gutteral sounds.
Needless to say, tongues is very much a part of the 21st century as I am not alone in this-many have also received the 2nd baptism, Marianne included.
One thing I will add is that part of receiving the baptism requires us to relinquish control and to give that control over to G-d. We keep our eyes on Jesus and believe/have FAITH that He will give us the Holy Spirit as He so promised within the scriptures.
John 1:33
HI Leatherneck
There were
2 kinds of tongues
a. “New tongues” is described in 1Cr 14:2: For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
b. “other tongues” is described in (Acts 2:4) where the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language (Acts 2:6)
So “new tongues” was meant for private communication with God, and “other tongues” was meant for preaching the gospel to people of other languages.
Definition of “new:”
Recently made, fresh, recent, UNUSED, unworn.
Of a new kind, unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of
“New tongues” is therefore NOT “other tongues” because the tongues used for preaching the gospel are “other tongues” that are NOT new, they are already in existence, they are NOT fresh, they are definitely used, they are definitely heard of, because people speak that language.
More here:
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/the-church-is-having-a-power-failure/
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Leatherneck said:Speaking with new tongues means a language new to the believer. Not a new language to the world.
*that is correct
*And the Holy Spirit can also use many earthly languages as well when speaking through a believer to another believer (the church) or unbeliever
Leatherneck said:These things happened a long time ago with the change from the Old Testament to the New. A time when G-d’s word was not given to us as we know it now called the Bible.
*correct and “these things” continue to happen even now in the 21st century as we are entering/to endure the last days.
Leatherneck said:Those things had to happen then to carry the message of Christ to the world
*correct and even today as well so as to continue “to carry the message of Christ”
Leatherneck said:Do Christians talk in a new laungage,(tongues), now given to them by G-d the Father in Christ’s name?
*YES
Mark 16:17
http://bibletab.com/john/1-33.htm
This song reminds me of the Holy Spirit every time I hear it…”consume me like a fire” (the baptism of the HS) and “I wouldn’t stop until I found something beautiful (the Holy Spirit) Enjoy!
http://www.wordofhisgrace.org/tonguesQA.htm
Peter Ditzel does not speak in tongues, obviously, and has never received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, obviously. He has stated his opinion only and is incorrect in stating “When Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13:1, “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal,” he was using hyperbole. ”
Paul was not using a “figure of speech”. He was stating a fact. This is how the scriptures are often twisted and various interpretations of the same verse are assumed. (example would be the catholic church being formed on 1 verse-”upon this rock…” they made Peter the 1st pope etc).
This results in false teaching and ultimately robbing G-d’s people in knowing the truth. (wonder who is responsible for that)
Leatherneck, I have NOT lied to you. I have shared with you my personal experience of having spoken in tongues for the past 22 years after receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit in 1988.
If I could, in order to prove to you what you need for proof, I would gladly submit to an MRI, a linguistic and a lie detector.
Just take G-d at His Word, literally. He says what he means and means what he says. And the best way to truly find out is to simply ask G-d for the Holy Spirit. Make sure your intentions are pure-G-d always knows our hearts-and with humility and sincere desire, ask Him for the gift of the Holy Spirit in Jesus Name.
Show Him the scriptures and ask for revelation of the TRUTH. And the Spirit of TRUTH will most assuredly lead you into ALL TRUTH.
How do you know he never received the Holy Spirit?
By reading his article. “you will know them by their fruits” Matthew 7:16
When he stated that Paul was only using a figure of speech when talking about “tongues of men and angels” was my first clue.
1. He who speaks in an unknown tongue speaks to God (1 Corinthians 14:2). That is, he prays. But the prayers he prays are prayed with his spirit in words given by the Holy Spirit. Therefore these prayers will be effective because they are according to the will of God.
2. Speaking in tongues enables us to pray much. God says, “Pray without ceasing.” (1 Thessalonians 5:17). While there are many forms of prayer it is great to have the ability to pray in tongues at any time, without taxing the mind. The mind can rest or do something else while the spirit prays. This ability will help us to be “praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit” (Ephesians 6:18) even when our minds are tired and we don’t know how or what to pray. (Romans 8:26,27)
3. Speaking in tongues allows us to pray for things and situations we don’t know about. There are a lot of important things happening or threatening to happen in life that we don’t know about. But praying in tongues helps us to pray for these things also – that God steps in and changes these things or people we don’t know about and we certainly don’t know how to pray for.
4. “He who speaks in an unknown tongue edifies himself.” (1 Corinthians 14:4). This means that speaking in tongues builds up our spiritual life. Jude exhorts the Christians as follows: “But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God.” (Jude 20,21). Much speaking in tongues helps us to be deeply conscious of the fact that God lives in us. Speaking in tongues therefore strengthens our relationship with God which will result in greater love and faith being known in and through us than we would otherwise experience.
5. Speaking in tongues can be a spiritual gift to help others, when translated. It also helps us to train our spirits to hear the voice of God and to operate in the other gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:8-10). Especially in Western culture, we have been trained to base all our speaking, thinking and actions on reasoning that we can understand. However, the place where God speaks to us first is in our spirits. Our spirit is the part of us through which we hear the voice of God. It is not through rational processes or deduction that we arrive at what God is saying. We don’t arrive at the experiential knowledge of God through philosophy (1 Corinthians1:21), but through revelation by the Holy Spirit. That does not mean that God is illogical or irrational, but that He transcends natural knowledge and brings us extra knowledge we can’t obtain by natural reasoning. By speaking in tongues much and meditating on the Word of God, or waiting silently in the presence of God, and by stepping out in faith, we will learn to hear and obey the voice of the Holy Spirit.
6. We should imitate Paul (1 Corinthians 11:1; Philippians 4:9), who spoke in tongues more than all the Corinthians (1 Corinthians 14:18), and they were a church that were proud of their gifts and especially of speaking in tongues! The majority of God’s people with a significant healing ministry like John G. Lake or Smith Wigglesworth testify that speaking in tongues was a very important key to their ministry.
7. Speaking in tongues refreshes our spirits and our minds. Isaiah 28:11-12 speaks of a rest that comes to those who accept the blessing of speaking in tongues. Our minds can rest while we speak in tongues and we can receive power from God through it which affects our physical health postively also. (Romans 8:11).
8. Speaking in tongues helps God get control of our tongues. We must yield our tongues to God when we speak in tongues. This is a good habit to get into, since the tongue is by nature the most unruly member of our bodies, the most dangerous and the hardest to control. (James 3:8). By speaking in tongues much we learn to quieten our minds and quieten our tongues from saying wrong and hurtful things. Instead, we train our tongues to speak things that are positive and life- giving.
It is therefore important for every Christian to speak much in tongues, so as to be of the greatest usefulness to others and to God in the work of the Kingdom of God.
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THE PROMISE IS FOR YOU
In Acts 2:39 Peter says “For the promise is for you and your children,and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God shall call to Himself.”
We may be far off from the day of Pentecost but the promise is for us if God has called us to Himself.
What is “the promise”? It is the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).
“And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.” (Luke 24:49). See also Acts 1:4.
This is the promise recorded in Joel 2:28-32 and Acts 2:17-21.
“And it shall be in the last days, God says, that I will pour forth of My Spirit upon all mankind; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams (Acts 2:17).
Before “the last days” the Holy Spirit was only poured out upon specially chosen servants of God, especially prophets, priests and kings. But now, the Bible teaches us, all Christians are royal priests (1 Peter 2:9). The Holy Spirit can be poured out on all mankind (Acts 2:17), so this certainly includes you. The applicable time period for the promise, the last days, is the time between Christ’s ascension and second coming. The last days aren’t over yet as Acts 2:19,20 have not yet been fulfilled. Therefore the promise is still fully applicable to all believers today.
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How to Receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit
We now arrive to the very important question – how to receive the promise of the Father; how to be baptised in the Holy Spirit. The word of God gives us the answers here.
Remember, if you are a Christian, you have the Holy Spirit already (Romans 8:9). The word “receive” is used in the sense of making a guest welcome. The Holy Spirit is holy, and also a gentleman. He will not barge in if you don’t want Him to. His power is freely available to those who will trust and obey (Acts 5:32).
It is not essential to have hands laid on you to receive the Holy Spirit, but it is helpful provided the believer who lays hands on you is spirit-filled and of good character. There is a spiritual impartation that comes with the laying on of hands. We see the laying on of hands mentioned in connection with receiving the Holy Spirit in Acts 8:17, Acts 9:12 and Acts 19:6. Its important to realize that we receive the Holy Spirit by faith, and not merely by the laying on of hands.
This is what needs to happen for you to be mightily filled with the Holy Spirit.
REPENTANCE (necessary for salvation. See Acts 17:30; Luke 13:3; Acts 2:38)
Examine yourself. Be honest with yourself and God. God demands thorough repentance from ALL KNOWN SIN. Decide to live for God wholeheartedly. Confess and forsake your sins, trusting Jesus for forgiveness (Prov 28:13; 1 John 1:9). If you have unforgiveness in your heart towards anyone, you must forgive that person (Mark 11:25)
RENOUNCE EVIL POWER
If you have ever dabbled in false religions or ANY form of the occult (including astrolgy) you must renounce that evil power now in the name of Jesus. It is from Satan and his demons.
If you are in doubt about some practice or habit then renounce that too (Romans 14:23). God’s power and demon power don’t mix well!
THIRST AFTER GOD
Jesus explains in John 7:37,38 “If any man is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, ‘From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water’”.
The next verse tells us that this refers to the Holy Spirit.
We must have a desire to experience more in God in order to be filled with the Spirit. The more intense our desire is, the more powerfully we will be baptized in the Holy Spirit. We should never give up seeking God. Faith is born out of desire.
ASK IN FAITH
Jesus said, “If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him” (Luke 11:13).
“Ask and you will receive, that your joy may be full” (John 16:24)
We can have faith because we know from God’s word the promises such as these. See also Acts 2:17,38-39. It is obviously God’s will to keep his promises.
DRINK
“We have all been made to drink into one Spirit” (1 Corinthians 12:13). In Hebrew and Greek the word for spirit is the same as the word for breath. When coming to God to be baptised in the Spirit, it is sometimes helpful after prayer to take a few deep breaths in faith, and as it were, to breath in the Holy Spirit. We should come with a thirsty heart to Jesus and drink. (John 7:37- 39).
RECEIVE
We receive the Holy Spirit as a gift, not on the basis of works, but by “hearing with faith” (Galatians 3:5). We don’t receive by doing outward things, we must simply believe that we receive.
Mark 11:24 “Therefore I say to you, all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they shall be granted you.”
YIELD TO GOD
As the expression of our faith in God’s word, we yield control of our tongue to God. This yielding is an ACTIVE thing – WE do the speaking, and the Holy Sprit gives the language.
Paul says “For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful” (1 Corinthians 14:14).
Acts 2:4 says “And they … began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance (Margin reads “ability to speak out”).
You must begin speaking, trusting God to give the language. Do not worry about whether you understand the sounds you make – you will make the sounds according to the language that the Holy Spirit gives you.
Keep speaking in tongues, allowing the Holy Spirit to flood your spirit, soul and body, drenching you in his presence. Keep receiving until you are absolutely full of the Holy Spirit. Begin to praise God in your new language from God, thanking him for what he has done!
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Some Common Questions
Is tongues for today?
Yes, today multitudes experience the power and blessing of God as they speak in other tongues (languages given by the Holy Spirit). God has never withdrawn tongues from the church, but they largely died out through unbelief, ignorance and apostacy – the predominating characteristics of the institutional church for hundreds of years. We know tongues, prophecies and knowledge will cease when the perfect comes (i.e. Jesus comes again and the Kingdom of God is fully manifest) but then they will be swallowed up into something far greater. (1 Corinthians 13:82). Even throughout church history men and women have spoken in tongues (e.g. Charles Finney (see his autobiography), the Huegenots and many other groups) but this has been largely ignored or suppressed until the 20th century, where God is restoring more Biblical truth.
Certainly, the new Testament is not outdated. We ought to speak in tongues for the same reasons as the early church did. If you start with the unproven assumption that the supernatural
is not for today, large portions of the Scriptures become irrelevant, describing a God whose ways have fundamentally changed. But all Scripture is profitable (2 Timothy 3:16).
How do I know its from God?
We know on the basis of God’s promise in his Word. God is our Father. If we ask Him for a good thing he will not give us something of no value that will waste our time, or worse yet, a demonic counterfeit.
“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!” (Matthew 7:11). In Luke 11:13 Jesus says in identical fashion that God will give the Holy Spirit to those who ask. It is clear then that our loving Father wants to give us what we ask for, not something evil.
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***John 4:23 KJV But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. ***
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I COR 13:1- Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. – Charity = GOD = The Lord Jesus Christ – So we see right here that manifesting one of the nine gifts does not qualify us of receiving the Holy Spirit = GOD is a SPIRIT = HOLY SPIRIT – Matt. 5:45 – It rains on the Just and the UN-just both – The Spirit of God makes a flower Grow and also makes a “weed grow”. The Holy Spirit coming upon you does not qualify you as a Spirit filled believer. But Receiving the Holy Spirit into your Soul does. Remember Balaam was a false Prophet so was Judas sent out by Jesus doing miracles. Operating in the gifts etc.
I COR. 12:29-31 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? The Bride must have a 5 fold ministry – be we do not have all the same administrations. Apostle and Prophets lay the foundation for the NOW message of the Gospel. The teachers, Pastors, etc. are suppose to preach what the Apostles and Prophets taught us.
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? = answer NO
Any believer is potential to this verse. Miracles, healing gifts are given to them severally as GOD WILLS 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. Best gifts is Charity=Love = Faith that worketh by Love – Faith is a Revelation of Jesus Christ direct to you.
Circumcision was suppose to be a sign you was a real Israelite – yet we know that all were not even believers. Its the same with speaking in Tongues today. It is A evidence but it is NOT “THEE” evidence only. No more than any other gifts, Wisdom, knowledge, Miracles, prophecy, wonders, healings, etc.
Jesus actually called the leaders of Israel – snakes, devils, etc. yet they were circumcised. But not believers TRADITION’S Of Man always makes the Word of God of NONE EFFECT – If they had the HOLY SPIRIT they would have ” Excepted ALL TRUTH” — That is what EVIDENCE of the Holy Spirit is – “It GUIDES YOU TO ALL TRUTH – CAUSE IT IS THE “SPIRIT OF TRUTH”
JOHN 16:13- Howbeit when HE, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
When HE=JESUS CHRIST come back on day of Pentecost – Peter and the rest of them received a Full Conversion -Not confused anymore – not afraid anymore – had Power- Walked in the Image of Jesus Christ Thought like Jesus Christ –
After the Baptism of the Holy Spirit =God = Jesus Christ changing mask and back into Spirit form again – to Abide IN THEM not just around them. They also continually stayed in the Word – that is in the bible. The Spirit of Truth put a hunger in them for the REAL TRUTH. REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST
Jesus said He came from the Father and went BACK to the Father = SPIRIT
Jesus himself said GOD Is a SPIRIT — Yes indeed = Holy Spirit –amen
Jesus was God and He had to Go back to God – Spirit – to be able to come into their Flesh Body now that the Redemption plan of the Kinsmen Redeemer was over.
We must get out of the man made doctrines to see the truth of the “Revelation of Jesus Christ” cause it is still a “Mystery today” which is “Christ in you” Col. 1:27 etc.
As I said earlier Balaam had the gift of Prophecy – you can read the true prophecy right out of the Bible – But was a false prophet. Jesus said they would be “false anointed ones” in the end time. And a great falling away = from what. Answer – the truth – WE SURE GOT A LOT OF TONGUES SPEAKERS TODAY BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRUTH THAT IT IS SUPPOSE TO GUIDE YOU TO
Three out of 5 times when the Holy Spirit Fell upon men and women in the Book of Acts they spoke in tongues. Most every time people spake in tongues people did understand what they said. Any UNKNOWN tongue is just speaking without and interpretation. So it only edify’s the speaker. Paul said he would rather speak a few words that edify that thousands of words that do not edify the church. Or it’s called Babylon.
MATT 13:11-13 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. – because they never did receive Holy spirit. — IT IS NOT AN OPTION BUT A MUST HAVE. We have to be able to receive the Word seed
MATT 13:23- But he that received seed = word into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
After Pentecost the disciples were different Men all together. They never got caught in the “birth canal” of false doctrines of men that would say “Now you got it- but never had it. It’s everywhere you go today.
Baptist say “You got it’ When you believe – Methodist say “you got it’ when you get sanctified, some say when you keep a holy day Saturday “you got it” – Some say I take communion every week – you got it – Some just believe Membership – “You got it” some say I believe in the Pope – You got it – Pentecostals say you Speak in tongues “you got it” — And of the 80 something percent of all American’s now say “they got it” I’m on my way to Heaven. You must be Marked with the Character of Jesus Christ if you GOT IT
Again I say The True Evidence that the Holy Spirit is dwelling in you is this
1. You will Understand the Message for your Hour when you hear it.
This is what Apostle Paul said in Acts 20:29-30 -
ACTS 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30. Also of your own selves = church shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32. And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
33. I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. = Where are we at dear people today.
The Apostle Paul said – ROMANS 8:9 – But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Holy Ghost is not an Option my dear brothers and sisters. it’s the MARK OF GOD’S CHARACTER IN THE HAND OF SERVICE AND IN THE MIND OF CHRIST —
YOU ARE NOT A BEAST ANYMORE
I know that this is a strong message for many – But the time is short – Born Again means filled with Holy Spirit – are you will never become Holy — There is no such think as Receive Christ without receiving the Holy Spirit period. You are just a Potential believer. “Believing unto Christ which is a start” you received some seed =word – then the Water and Blood breaks – then you IT IS A MUST TO RECEIVE LIFE or you are a still born baby = still dead from the womb.
The Devils believe and tremble but they sure ain’t filled with the Holy Ghost. That all comes from Trinitarian doctrines of devils. Sounds so right you got Jesus but now you got to have the 3rd. Person in you called the Holy Spirit — God help us.
That is what I was taught for many years but thank God I read the Bible and God filled me with the Holy Spirit and I started to get the understanding of the Mystery of Jesus Christ IN YOU.
Love you all in the Lord Jesus Christ – The KING of all kings. And Yes I do speak in tongues but I must tell you the truth of the Bible – Bro. York
dear Brother York
I certainly agree with you that there are many who are false believers, and have a false manifestation of a spirit.
The holy spirit will not come into an unclean vessel….one who has not fully repented of their sins, with a conviction of turning away from them, one who is not really saved.
So, as you say, we should look at the fruit of the spirit in their lives.
Good fruit = holy spirit
Bad fruit = wrong spirit
People should not focus on sensationalism and outward signs….to enhance themselves and make themselves appear righteous. This creates an open door for the wrong spirit to enter the person an deceive them.
The true baptism of the holy spirit will promote holiness, not selfishness and carnality.
When I listen to someone speaking in tongues, the unknown language is not all I listen to.
I also listen to what ELSE comes out of their mouths, because “out of the heart, the mouth speaks.”
So, I agree that not all tongues is of God, and we should be discerning in these end times.
My Testimony(Holy Spirit,Tongues,Visions,)
MY Testimony, Debbie LaGant :Jesus appeared to me….This has been my third vision in my life time. The Baptism of the holy spirit!
June 19,2000,I was sitting in my living room reading the holy bible, I was reading only the words in red that day, I stood up and begin to read the words with all the life in me, I was thinking how fresh those words are just as fresh as the day Jesus spoke them, I felt so refreshed inside ,I then felt to go and pray alone in my room . I closed the door behind me and got on my knees to be humble and asked the Father for the gift of tongues and the understanding of it, four of my brothers are Pastors and they have received it and also my dad. I then stood up I said Jesus I don’t know how to speak in tongues so I will praise you in English, I felt I had the gift but didn’t know how to speak it, so I begin to praise Jesus and thank him in English, then I felt him enter the room it was a feeling I’ve never felt before ,I then saw a ray of white light before me, I felt a touch on my head and it felt like a wave went through me and my English was changed to tongues! and the ray of light opened ,I then saw where the light was coming from, it was coming from the top of my bedroom ceiling where I knew no natural light could enter, this light wasn’t as are light but as a white soft fog, I begin to shake all over I’ve never shook like this before and my ears couldn’t believe what my mouth was saying, I thought my god I just asked Jesus for something and he’s doing it, I then felt the middle of my stomach jolt up! And this was the beginning of a fresh new life for me.
Then on Nov 1 2000 about 1:58 am there came another visit, I just turned over in my bed and that white fog entered my room, I thought it was my eyes , I rubbed them but the fog begin to take form, the white fog became two white squares that formed together and began to rise up higher, I sat up in my bed I said Jesus? I then stood up to pray I said father if this be not of you to go away in Jesus name. I then opened my eyes the the white fog was the complete form of a ghost shape I believe it was the Holy Ghost,Then the face got bright with spikes of light all around like a sun,and then the face had gotten even brighter! spikes of light came from the face shaped in the form of an X shape and I then saw a lovely rainbow appear over the head of this bright face three colors red,yellow blue,most rainbows have the dark colors at the bottom but this rainbow had the dark colors at the top I don’t know why but over the colors of this rainbow was white crowns of light little dips of light ,Then the vision was gone,all I could do was just stand in awe,I went to seek in the bible for some answers to who this was whom I saw and the first bible verse I kept coming across said dont you even know me though I’ve been with you all this time if you’ve seen me you’ve seen the father, then I was lead to Ezekiel1:28 it speaks of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain it saws the same is as the glory of the lord….Then I read in Matthew 17 :2 where it speaks about Jesus being transfigured on the mount it says his face does shine as the sun and his clothes white as light, all these verses matched my vision ,Then came the verse that hit me
hard was Rev 10:1 it said his face does shine as the sun and he has a rainbow over his head ,I then knew this was Jesus whom I saw I fell to my knees crying and said Jesus this was you who I saw wasn’t it and I spoke out in the holy spirit and said it was I my love ….all whom I asked ho this was in Rev 10:1 said Jesus ,shortly after this vision Jesus appeared to me face to face in a dream and he still visits me in my dreams even till this day, I know he will never leave me nor forsake me, old things are passed away and behold all things become new! As Paul says in the bible it is not I who lives but Christ who lives in me! I Praise and Thank Jesus for all he has done and is doing! I will never be the same again! Receive ye the Holy Ghost In Jesus Name! Love in Christ Jesus ,Debbie
hi Debbie
You have been really blessed. I pray that many more blessings come to you, and God can use you to help others find the same happiness.
Helo…I always thought that the gift of the spirit to speak tongues was fake to some degree. I want to know why I never received it.
Sincerely,
James
dear James
That was true for me also until later in life. I think people can scare us into not getting the baptism. Some receive so spontaneously, and act a little wild, or we are too pressured into this, that we are scared into thinking that maybe it is not from God. Our reason blocks the reception of it. Fear of “going out of control” and letting some spirit take over the body triggers the fear of “possession” in our brain, if we are reasonable people.
So first, we have to accept that fake things are imitations of what is real.
So God is real, and the devil imitates it. But this does not mean we cannot have what is real. We just have to be smart, and go to God, not man, to seek this gift.
this gift, also is a person, not a thing. And I think it helps to know that.
We then have to overcome any mental blocks in our mind to receiving. We sort of disconnect the brain, in the sense that we do not try to do this ourselves, or force this, or fake it until we make it. We do not think about what to say. We just quiet ourselves, until our mind is still. It says in the bible to be still and know I am God. once we get to that point, then we can switch to prayer and supplications, and seek the gift from God.
By seeking the baptism, you are seeking an intimate relationship with the holy spirit. You are asking him to not only be with you in your life, but to take over your spirit, so you can completely submit to the holiness of God, and serve him as he guides you.
It is not a possession, but a partnership.
receiving has a lot to do with how much you want to receive. If you think it is just something nice to have, you will not receive it.
You have to hunger for this, and feel like you are starving without it. There needs to be a desperate desire in your heart, to get closer to God.
After many failed attempts to receive in churches, where they did scare me, I went into my own bedroom and locked the door. I made sure no one was home also to disturb me. The locked door was in case someone came in later, so they would not disturb me.
I got down on my knees and I really prayed and sought God. I did not want to get up until the holy spirit can come to indwell in me completely. Once I had quieted my own human spirit, I then spoke out nonsense sounds in faith, as someone had advised me to do. This was important to do something to open and move my mouth as a cooperative effort. (Others may have done this differently, according to what was comfortable to them.) I then just knelt there and hoped with all my heart that I could have this relationship with the holy spirit. time passed, and I grew weary, but continued.
About 45 minutes later I noticed that the nonsense sounds sounded like “holy living water.” this was not intentional on my part. But the holy spirit was actually helping me pray for him. When I realized this, I became more hopeful, and my heart was encouraged.
I was excited then in a way I had never been before. I was going to have the holy spirit inside of me, and I wanted to meet him there.
once this union of desire between my human spirit and the holy spirit had occurred, ……suddenly, foreign words proceeded out of my mouth and the real “holy living waters” just flowed out.
I prayed in tongues for about 2 more hours. I was so happy. this spiritual union is like a marriage of two souls, ….it is a strong sense of unity and acceptance and love.
Some people have no trouble receiving the holy spirit in a group environment. I had to get alone with God first. So, I would encourage you to find what is comfortable for you and pursue it when you are ready.
Tongues has helped me when I needed to pray and did not know what to say. this is because the holy spirit will provide the words, and even though they may be a mystery to us, the Father will understand what is said.
it is the language of heaven only, and the devil has no clue what you are saying, and cannot act against your prayers, since he does not understand them. this gives your prayers the opportunity to be successful without interference.
01/17/2012
To my Brothers & Sisters in Christ,
Pray for me that GOD will Bless & give both of us Wisdom from GOD ,Linda My wife & me Financial,& healthy total heal us both form all diseases 1Peter 2nd Chapter 24 verse & GOD totally heal my wife of all her body pains she has each day now & give Linda & me his wisdom & kept both of us & rest of my family His Jesus will for Linda & me ours life s this coming year 2012. to witnesses to others & help peoples in need as well. Totally Linda & me to do GOD’s & MY Lord & Savior Jesus Christ will to serve him & other people in need of Jesus Love & compassion in their lives. Thanks Brother Jerome Pierce
hello jerome
You are your family have our prayers for healing, and the wisdom and blessings of the Lord. You ask for good things, not bad, and God hears your prayers.
Well, where do i begin . I received the gift of the Holy Spirit after being saved . I prayed so hard my lips trembled. I felt like something was going to happen but my shyness in church made it hard to let what ever was happening out. When Pastor Cox put his hand on my head I began to speak in another language . I was present and aware of my surroundings but I was not in controll of the words coming out of my mouth. I felt peace and my shyness was gone. When it stopped I was a little shy . I do have difficulty speaking in tongues in front of others . If some is praising to God too loudly in their own travails and feeling sorrow sometimes it affects my prayer connection to God. How do I over come this . I am now baptised and filled with the Holy Spirit. The changes in me are instant. The aggrevation I always feel is gone. I am at peace . I feel an urgency in me now . Like God has something for me to do . Kind of the feeling you have when you know something is about to happen . But in a good way. I Spoke in tongues briefly when I was baptised. I dont know about other people but tongues only happens to me after intence heartfelt prayer to God. I go to a Pentecostal Church now. Pastor Cox believes we are not baptised into a church or religion as other churchs believe. That we are baptised into christ. And our salvation is through christ . JESUS. Our church is a place we go to worship . To pray loudly . Or softly as if we were in our closit. If you can go to a football game and jump and yell. Or a concert and jump and yell . ALTHOUGH I HAVE NOT DONE EATHER. (Told this to a coworker that said pentecostals were to loud. ) Why not jump and yell, ERGO PRAIST GOD. She said I was right.I am still shy about praising God and hope I will one day beable to do so with all I have and not always worry who is watching me. After all I JESUS could be flogged , and carry his own cross , and be crucified for me , cannot I praise him with all my heart and soul . PS My shyness in church comes from being in past religions that taught to be quiet in worship. ergo JW. For ten yrs. I studied with the JW. Was never good enough to qualify for baptism. Never could muster up to their standards of never missing meetings door to door. ERGO salvation by works. Thank GOD I WAS DELIVERED FOR THAT DOCTRIN. Although I know they were good people I was missled by wrong teachings. Plus our instructions come from the elders higher up in the church. The KJV bible I raad tells me that the HOLYSPIRIT will teach me not man. AMEN , GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
May God continue to bless you.!
Dear Brother, please, in the name of the Almighty, pray that I will receive this Holy Spirit baptism. I have been seeking for many years. Yes, years! and have not received it. I believe in it with all my heart. I have prayed earnestly as the Bible says to do. I have fasted, but still it does not come. I have asked that He show me why, what is wrong with me. I do not get an answer to that. I do not know what else to do. My pastor says I am not seeking hard enough. When I pray earnestly and with fasting, that is all I know to do. I ask that you and your congregation please remember me when you pray. I know someone out there has the faith that the Bible speaks about when It says they laid their hands on them and they received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. My honest prayer is that you and yours has this faith and that I will receive the Holy Spirit baptism.
Blessings to you and yours in our Holy Saviors name. Belinda
dear belinda
I will contact you offline. You can respond to my email.
you should get a breakthrough soon.