China – blessed or cursed in the end times?

Many interpretations of prophecy say that China will come against Israel someday. Is this reasonable to assume this? Will China be blessed or cursed by God in the end times?

I have read much speculation about China aligning with Russia to attack Israel in the end times, just because it is “east” of Israel, and has a large population, and some scriptures refer to kings from the east doing this. But, reviewing both ancient and recent histories, as well as modern events, I see no pattern of hostility between China and Israel that would be re-ignited in a future catastrophic war.

China, and many other countries, who have never had a conflict with the Israelis, just worry about their own needs and problems. They might be involved with weapons sales, agreements for Arab oil, or nuclear development. This is motivated by economics, and politics, not hatred for Israel.

It would be counter-productive financially for China to attack anyone unless there was a direct advantage to China. Involving millions of lost lives, loss of labor, expecting retaliation in return, and for what? Israel really has nothing that China is interested in.

What does the Bible say about China?

There is only one passage that has traditionally been assigned to China by name. This is from Isaiah 49. Look at the verses that surround the reference to China (Sinim) in this passage.

Isa 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

Isa 49:9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that [are] in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures [shall be] in all high places.

Isa 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

Isa 49:11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.

Isa 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

Isa 49:13 Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.

****NOTE Yes, the comfort is promised to Israel.

But in a larger context, we all can receive comfort, and I was extending this as possibility to other nations like China, who, if they would turn to the Lord, could also have comfort in the end times.

The main idea is that China does not seem to be one of the kings of the east who would attack Israel.

China today

China represents 1/5 of the world population and is the third largest area on earth. It seems like a large population like this would be significant to God, and would not be left out of God’s plan for the world.

China’s history

For millennia, China has called herself “the land of God.” It would appear that the Hand of Omnipotence was leading this ancient civilization. In the annals of Chinese history, we do not find a single instance of God’s anger being poured out upon a Chinese city or population.

The Chinese nation, earlier known as the “Middle Kingdom,” dates back to 2205 B.C. with its first dynasty, the Xia, established by King Yu. Even today in China, King Yu is still well-remembered as “the great Yu.” He was favored by Shangdi [the God of Heaven] who instructed him in the nine methods which enabled him to solve the problem of draining a huge flood that prevented further development and habitation of their land. King Yu was also renowned as a virtuous and exemplary ruler, providing a fitting pattern for later rulers to emulate.

During the later Zhou dynasty, the rulers of the eastern states fought one another for the control of all China. In 221 B.C., the Qin State defeated all its rivals and established China’s first empire controlled by a strong self-imposed emperor, Qin Shi Huangdi. Thus China entered its fourth dynasty, the Qin, (221 – 206 B.C.).

To keep out invaders, Qin Shi Huangdi ordered the construction, repair and strengthening of the Great Wall, which, with its eventual completion, stretches about 4,000 miles.

The name of “China” in all foreign languages of the world finds its root in the Qin [Chin] Dynasty.

The Word Sinim

You may wonder what the word “Sinim” means. Where is this land of Sinim, mentioned by Isaiah before his service was terminated in 680 B.C.? According to Strong’s Concordance, “Sinim is a distant Oriental region.”

“‘Sino’ indicates Chinese; for example, Sinophile. [French, from Late Latin ‘Sinae;’ the Chinese, from Greek ‘Sinai;’ from Arabic ‘Sin;’ China, from Chinese (Mandarin) ‘Ch’in’ [Qin], dynastic name of the country.]”

Now it is clear that the Hebrew word “Sinim” means China, as can be seen, for example, in the word “sinology”—a study of things Chinese. As mentioned earlier, all Chinese roots meet in the Qin dynasty. However, the Hebrew alphabet does not have the equivalent of “ch” in English and “Q” in Chinese. Thus “Qin” has been phonetically translated as “Sinim.”

The Significance of Chin

In Isaiah’s day, the state of Qin was only one of hundreds of states under Zhou (770 – 256 B.C.). It was located in the present Gansu Province through which trade with the West was conducted.

Sinim and Today

Isaiah’s prophecy about China did not stop with the Qin dynasty, but rather it extended into the future. Over the 2,600 years since Isaiah, many countries have come and gone, but the land of Sinim (Qin) still stands firm as the land of China.

Isaiah’s foretelling of a final gathering of God’s faithful among those “in darkness” must indicate a multitude of peoples—even from China. Most of the people living in China, since Isaiah’s day, have been “in darkness” concerning the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ. Yet here is a specific prophesy and a promise to bring “prisoners of darkness” in the land of Sinim to the light of salvation, freedom and mercy.

Does the God of Israel know and care about the land of Sinim (China)?

Listen to what He says right after the prophecy of China in the book of Isaiah:

“Can a woman forget
her nursing child,
And not have compassion
on the son of her womb?
Surely they may forget,
Yet I will not forget you.
See, I have inscribed you
on the palms of My hands;
Your walls are continually before Me.”
(Isaiah 49: 15 – 16).

The land of Sinim is still there. The massive Walls are still before the people of China and before the God of Israel. God has not forgotten the people of China, for He says, “See, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands.”

Jesus died for the people of China, like all other peoples, who must now come out of darkness, and put God in the center of their lives.

History of religion in China

There have been several dynasties in China. The religions centered around Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism.

Taoism emphasizes propriety, compassion, moderation, and humility, and nature and ancestor spirits.

Buddhism is formulated through the Four Noble Truths which teach suffering and its cessation through the Eightfold Path.

The Four Noble Truths are a formulation of his understanding of the nature of “suffering”, the fundamental cause of all suffering, the escape from suffering, and what effort a person can go to so that they themselves can “attain happiness.”

The noble eightfold path: right view, right aspiration, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration.

The philosophy of Confucius emphasizes personal and governmental morality, correctness of social relationships, justice and sincerity.

Today, China’s government discourages religion, and is communistic.

From what I can see in the basic foundations of Chinese religious thought, there is nothing telling them to conquer other lands in the name of God, or to oppose another religion as being opposed to theirs. So, they do not have a history of religious jihad or crusades against other religious groups.

China’s relationships today

The Chinese are interacting more now with the world community, but with centuries of social and economic isolationism from the rest of the world, and continued current isolationism to some extent, I see no evidence that would indicate a need of theirs to march against Israel anytime in the near future.

If anything, the continued efforts to sponsor the 2008 Olympics is a positive step, and if China would have a reason to react negatively to any group, it would be to those that would try to destroy their Olympic program and hurt its citizens. It may also feel threatened by North Korea with its nuclear program. For the most part, China just wants to take care of itself.

It is my opinion that the kings of the east who are prophesied to march against Israel in the end times are those directly east of Israel. These are the same enemies in the middle east that have been marching against Israel every time Israel was present, and have always opposed Israel’s right to exist.

Salvation for China

China is important to God. This is because God created everyone, and He wants all His creation to call upon Him for salvation, protection, and help. He also wants China’s love, devotion, and faith in Him. This is to let China know this.

Whether the future hold blessings or curses for China in the future end times is up to China. For those who will trust God, and have faith in Him, giving Him their hearts, God will protect them from dangers, and provide for them in famine and other troubles. For those who reject God, there is no promise of any help, only judgment from God.

China is an ancient land with a history of peaceful religious thought. Will they see the strength in this, and go a step further, and find out who Jesus is and what He came and did for them? Will they find out more about the God of Jesus, and His salvation and deliverance from evil?

It is up to the Chinese people to reach out and make this decision. The choice of a blessing or a curse from God is up to them. The Holy Spirit of God is ready to minister to any person who seeks God. If they submit to His wisdom, they will experience the promise of eternal peace and salvation. Will they say “yes” to Him?

*** 5-14-08 I extend my sincere prayers and love to the Chinese at this time, during their terrible tragedy with the recent earthquake.

References:

http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:huAM-YvSSoIJ:www.lmn.org/magazine/166/china.html+china+bible&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eightfold_Path

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism#Early_Buddhism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism


100 Responses to “China – blessed or cursed in the end times?”

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  2. Most interesting article I’ve read in a while, because the cultures seem so far apart.

  3. Thank you for your kind words.

  4. i appreciate your extensive investigation and your high regard for scripture. presumably you are well aware of ezekiel 38– as you have mentioned, there is no specific reason to fit china into the prophecy.

    God bless,
    paul

  5. Thank you for the kind words.

    I hope all true players – good and bad – for the end times become well defined for both believers and currently unbelievers,

    so that people can make good judgments, properly witness to others, or be able to receive good witness, and accept salvation.

  6. Thank you for this article on China. I didn’t know that China was actually in the Bible. However, I must disagree with your claim that Isaiah 49:15-16 refers to China. When I read the passage you mentioned, I see a change of thought after v.12 of Isaiah 49. In verse 13 where it says that God will comfort His people and have compassion on His afflicted, verse 14 records God’s people’s response: “But Zion (i.e. Jerusalem or Israel) said, ‘The LORD has forsaken me, and the LORD has forgotten me.'” Then verse 15 and following records God’s response to Israel, saying that even though a natural mother can forget her children, God will never forget Israel, etc. Therefore I do not believe verses 13 and following refer to China but to Israel. But I do not doubt that Sinim is China.
    Additionally, how can God bless China when China is currently one of the worst persecutors of His followers in the world. They are currently #4 in International Christian Concern’s Hall of Shame report for 2007-08 (see http://www.persecution.org) and is also #10 on Open Doors’ World Watch list for January 2008 (see http://www.opendoorsusa.org).
    Once again thank you for this article. I always look forward to learning anything I can regarding God’s Word and especially prophecy.

  7. I guess I did not make the different verses distinct enough. Yes, the comfort is promised to Israel.

    But in a larger context, we all can receive comfort, and I was extending this as possibility to other nations like China, who, if they would turn to the Lord, could also have comfort in the end times.

    The main idea is that China does not seem to be one of the kings of the east who would attack Israel.

    Maybe I should re-word some of this. Thank you for pointing out the confusion.

  8. Yes we all can receive the comfort promised to Israel since we are “grafted in” to their promises (to use the language of Romans 11) if we turn to Jesus. God made this Scripture very personal to me a few years ago and comforted me with it.
    Your main idea that China does not seem to be one of the kings of the east who attack Israel in the last days makes sense. I only disagreed with your use of Isaiah 49:15-16. Thanks again for this article, and while I’m new to your website, alot of your articles appear to be well-researched and well-written.

  9. China will have the largest number of missionaries going into Islamic world to accomplish the final mission that white people can not do because racial hatred been build over the last 2000 years, but God love Arabs, TOO. He will sent Chinese into Middle-East.

  10. TC

    I can believe that. The Chinese are known for their intense devotion and faith under persecution.

    marianne

  11. The Chinese people may be kind and sensitive but its commmunist government is anything but supportive of Christians. Persecutions for free thought and assembly have been in place ever since Mao’s government expelled Christian missionaries and purged Christians….It is still a crime to bring Bibles into China…You are right when you say that China has no direct conflict with Isreal but its ever growing need for oil to satisfy the its massive economic growth might allie it with the enemies of Isreal….What will happen when Iran or other muslim states say to China, “Come and rid us of the Zionist Isreal and we will provide you with all the oil you need….The million horseman of Revelation will be on their way.

  12. Hi Phil

    You make some good points. My thought is that a 2300 mile walk from the western edge of china, or a 3500 mile walk from the middle of China, to Israel, is too far for any army.


    The army described is 200 million. There is another event at Armageddon when the kings of the east come (which is east of the Euphrates- does not say china).


    6th trumpet (comes up from the Euphrates region):

    Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen [were] two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

    6th vial ( different event from 6th trumpet) – number not given

    Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east (which ones?) might be prepared.

    From what I understand, there is a huge christian presence in China. The government, like you said, is a different issue. They may want to buy the oil, and go along with policies of the arabs, but pushing 200 million men to walk a distance of about 3000 miles is asking too much.

    So what do you think?

    blessings
    marianne

  13. I just caught a “reply” that did not entirely agree with your premise and saw it disappear from your site moments later….I agreed with it as well as Marianne above….The reason the Chinese are known for their devotion under persecution is that the Government persecutes them…What do you think

  14. Hi..me again…We sent thousands of soldiers over 12,000 mi to Afganistan in response to 911 and then to Iraq to remove the destabilizing government of Sadam Hussein. I believe we did it in part to secure the flow oil as well. If China’s economic life depends on Middle East Oil…I am confident that a 3000 mile Chinese troop movement is not expecting too much at all. China will not be alone in this…Revelation is a picture of the whole world allied against Isreal.

  15. Hi phil

    Well, you got part of what I said. Take a look at Rev 9 and look at the description of the “army.” Do you think they are human?

    This is what I think, which you are welcome to disagree with.

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/god%E2%80%99s-war-on-terror%E2%80%A6-the-200-million-man-army/

    the kings from the east do not show up until rev 16, 5 chapters later. it is not the same army.

    blessings
    marianne

  16. Hi jon,

    I checked for misdirected comments in the spam folder but did not find anything. What was it?

    re: the persecution part. I really admire the Chinese people in this regard.

    blessings
    marianne

  17. Please note when the UN voted to create a Palistinian as well as a Isreali state in 1947 ending the British mandate, the Nationalists voted with the Arabs. Shortly thereafter the Communists came to power and since then have been a ally of Or at leat friendly to Israel. The ROC has been for several years raiding Israel for brains (intellectual head hunting).

    Wayne

  18. Hi Wayne,

    Trying to understand your comment. So you are saying that the Chinese (Communist) government would be an ally of Israel? That would make some sense. When the Antichrist is causing disturbance in Israel, the bible says that he is troubled by the “kings of the east.” I assumed it meant the usual bible nations east of the Euphrates, but China is east also. Maybe China will oppose the Antichrist? China tends to stay very reclusive during world wars, and other local conflicts, but this might be an exception.

    blessings
    marianne

  19. Do you think Hong Kong was the place of Garden of Eden. There weren’t many disasters happening throughout the history.

    • Hi Perfectionist Gal,

      Hong Kong is a unique place, and has a stable history. But, according to the bible, the original garden of Eden was in Assyria near Lebanon and Israel.

      • Thank you for the information, it makes it clearer to me. I was just guessing and I will look on the bible for more details.

        Why you think Hong Kong is a unique place?

        I feel there are not enough connections between me and Jesus…it doesn’t work. Even though he was made of different material like
        us and it might be hard for the concentration to communicate with him when I don’t have the habit to do so.

        Anyway, you said you don’t believe there will be global warming, however we’re gonna be running out of oil pretty soon, the atmosphere is heating up very rapidly. Most people do nothing about it because they like their lifestyles but the Earth is changing very rapidly now, and I think nothing has been done about it. Humanity, unfortunately, won’t do anything until there’s a big shock. That’s how humans move. Humans don’t move until they have to move. I think it will come to the point where the polar ice caps begin to melt and crack apart. Their atmospheres are very hot and there’s no life there anymore.

        • Hi Perfectionist Gal,

          Hong Kong has a strong UK influence, whereas the rest of China is more traditional.

          Your feelings of being disconnected from Jesus is a very common one. This is because we cannot see or touch him now. But he will return someday soon, I hope. In the meantime, read your bible, and let the words of Jesus go into your heart.

          When Jesus returns, global warming will no longer be an issue. There will be a new heaven and a new earth, and everything will be like the garden of Eden.

          • For people who lives in garden of Eden must be good
            people…and the people in the Earth must be destroyed
            first before there will be another new planet created.

          • when I read the Bible I get the impression when Jesus returns that He rules for a 1000 years than He makes new heavens and a new earth. a short time after his 1000 yr rule there will be the last rebellion against God than new heavens, new earth and New Jerusalem coming down from the sky, no more tears etc, the devil and evil will be all cast into hell forever. this is pretty literal…thanks

  20. China is among the most cruelest nations on earth. I don’t think most of people here have seen their cruelty but I personally don’t feel God is going to bless them any time soon. Their GREAT economic empire will crash one day for the amount of blood they have spilled and continue to do so with impunity because of their strange beliefs and traditions. They are not a people of God unlike us who value JESUS and the HOLY SPIRIT. We are the true believers in LOVE and PEACE but they are not, save for the ones who are now turning to Christianity. The rest are scum, cruel harbingers of death destroying the world and its resources amid blind nations that seek materialism at the cost of innocent creatures. See with your own eyes the cruelty done out by this race of people on innocent animals on YouTube and what these people are really about. THEY ARE ANYTHING BUT KIND AND SENSITIVE. WAKE UP

  21. Hi axl

    That is very true about the atheist government. There are also about 180 million Christians in China. I think God’s promises are directed towards them.

    -

  22. 120 million Christians in China would not be a basis for God blessing a nation that is currently the reason behind genocide in Africa and also economic deprivations of other parts of the world. Please remember the total population of China and how many out of the total are Christian. Also, God has sovereignity over who is blessed and who is cursed. If there is biblical evidence of a curse, then that curse will happen. God has only indcated blessings to one small nation, called Israel, who are still in exile, in the world today. All other blessings you may read, are only a matter of interpretation by the reader are not to used as doctrine, until there is further explanation of the blessing.

    Jay Cee

    • Remember when God met Abraham and told him that if there was one innocent person in Sodom and Gomorrah,he would spare the city?

  23. china needs Gods help in almost every way

    • I agree. Just because the government is harsh, does not mean the people are. Same is true in any country, and there are many, many souls there that need God in their lives, and hope of salvation.

  24. Forgive me Lord; for believing lies about China for so long; as being prophesied to rise against Israle. Revive my intention; to pray and witness to them always. The asChinese are as deserving of your grace, mercy and salvation as us – Africans, who once were also considered to be “divinely damned’, and not so worthy of the Gospel .

    • Lesego,

      No human being is divinely damned. Jesus came that we ALL could be saved. Every soul is precious to Him, as he died for each of us.

  25. Let me say that I absolutely love China and the people of that land.
    I have been in churches in China, where the presence of Holy Spirit was more powerful than I had ever experienced before. The music absolutely divine. The real power there among the Christian church are the house churches. They are not legal, and experience much persecution…even unto death. The true church In China is in the house church and it is the biggest in the world. The government there…communism , must be very afraid of the power that could arise, and so they attack and scatter the people; those they capture are tortured and killed for their faith. Communism hates Christianity, and seeks to squelch it from the face of the earth. Communism has embraced the Muslim faith and encourage it. Since China owns most of it’s land, it is hard for Muslims to buy land and take over. They are however moving in to big cities, and have built a huge mosque in the countryside…possibly many. The Jews of China are making aliyah back to Israel with much joy. The people of China work hard and are a lovely and gracious people. The army in China may be the biggest in the world and right now China controls the wealth of America, and most of the world. They are destined to be a major player at the end, as all nations will come against Israel.

  26. At the Drudge Report, one can see the American Marxist is Chief bowing to the leader of China. On the wall behind them is the color UN light blue, and the crescent moon.

    The New Age belivers chant every full moon for their god to come to earth. The symbol of their god is the crescent moon, and his color is light blue. The god Sin was the son of the Sun god. His symbol was the crescent moon, and Serpent. You can see both symbols on Superman who gets his power from the Sun.

    On Superman’s forhead his hair forms a crescent, and on his chest is a serpent S.

    The New Age calls forth their false god, and places their call right in your face. Islam places the moon on their Mosques.

  27. Hi Marianne ,

    I have some thoughts about the China, for I have listened to Pastor Mike Bickle (International House of Prayers (IHOP-Kasasn City, MO, http://www.ihop.org) teaching which focus on end- time, book of revelation, forerunner ministry……. a lot more

    (ihop-kc) they received words from God that China will be one of few Asian countries ( south Korea will be another one (I guess) ) that will come against Anti-Christ in the end -time.

    There is great missionary movement called Back to Jerusalem movement (www.backtojerusalem.com/ )are forming in China right now, there are about 100 thousands Christians from Chinese underground churches(home church, not political church) and Korean Christians (from south Korea), they will walk along the ancient Silk-Road to preach gospel , this great end-time missionary movement will preach the Gospel to the most most difficult countries in the world , 10-40 window, these countries which include India(Hinduism, Buddhism ), and Muslim counties(middle -east), and the final destination will be Jerusalem. there would be lot of martyrs among them. we almost could call China ruler as modern time King Cyrus ( Ezra 1:1-4,) , China rebuild silk road recently, China does not do this for God, spiritually, God use China to rebuild the road for HIS final mission sake.

    blessing !

    • dear guest

      I agree with that. China may have a communist government, but it also does not agree with much of what the western countries and islamic countries do. This is from a political and cultural view. But there are also many Christians as you say in China. These will spiritually oppose the antichrist. The missionaries from there are already doing a great work for the gospel.

      • hi,

        Mike Bickle’s bible reference

        Daniel 11:44 the king of the east, book of Eev 16:12 the kings from the East.

        blessing

  28. from Pastor mike Bickle’s teaching, china would come against anti-Christ in the end time. I think this would suprise most people,

    when we see that islam populations increse so fast in Europe recently, and our current leader in white house is for islam.
    what we can do ?
    PRAY ,repent, pray !

  29. Hi Marianne ,

    i have heard some western world Christians( teachers/ministers/pastors)testimony regarding to underground church(house church) in china, these pastors have been sent to china (few weeks or few days ) secretly by God to equip the underground Churches leaders. those meetings held in very secret distant village somewhere in china,

    from western world point of view, underground churches are living under very poor and lack of material resources environment. the most amazing part is that they are living in Book of Act Realities. they are rich spiritually,( 9 I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! book of Revelation 2:9 ) GOD’s power manifest so mightily among them, those chinese church leaders are packed with God’s anointing, Raising the dead, healing the sick. casting out demon often happen among them.

    brother Yun’s book – heavenly man will be a testimony for God. http://christianaudio.com/the-heavenly-man-brother-yun)

    why God are sending them into Muslim countries where actually is missionary’s grave.

    those underground church christians have gone through many hardship, persecution, imprisonment, beaten-up, trials under fire, suffering, hunger, for gospel sake.
    God already build precious character inside of them, spirit of perseverance, spirit of boldness,spirit of love.
    they would die of Jesus with any cost !!! for sure, there would be lot of martyrs among them.
    blessing

    • hi guest

      I think the Chinese Christians put the western Christians to shame, who are almost cowardly by comparison. The Western Christians could learn a lot from the Chinese.

      • please note : these true and on-fire Christians (underground churches) are small portion of Christians population in china ,

        most of them come from poor village , not big city, Not all the chinese Christians are on fire for God. not at all.
        But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. (matt:7:14)

        yet, even these small portion of people will prevail and do great things in the kingdom of God

  30. You might be interested in this Chinese research.

    Beijing 2002 Chinese Academy of Social Sciences:

    One of the things we were asked to look into was what accounted for the success, in fact the pre-eminence of the West all over the world. We studied everything we could from the historical, political, economic and cultural perspective. At first we thought it was because you had more powerful guns than we had. Then we thought it was because you had the best political system. Next we focused on your economic system. But in the last 20 years, we have realised that the heart of your culture is your religion: Christianity. That is why the West has been so powerful. The Christian moral foundation of social and cultural life was what made possible the emergence of capitalism and then the successful transition to democratic politics. We don’t have any doubt about this.

    Davis Aikmann: Jesus in Beijing (former Time Magazine Beijing bureau chief)

  31. I believe that Zion = The modern Israel, the Jews; and also The ancient Israelites, the Hebrews. (the lost tribes)

    eg. the Kaifeng Jews in China and their whole assimilated descendants into the Chinese populous nation could also be “the Zion” in Isaiah 49 … hence He never forgets them!!

    G-d bless

  32. The Chinese descendants are everywhere in South East Asia. In the Islamic countries they are discriminated against by laws and governments. Persecution, violent and unjust toward the Christians in the name of Islamic god are everyday stories in these Islamic countries. If they embrace Islam things might be a little bit easier for them. But thanks to Jesus Christ our Lord, as the stories go most of them embrace Christianity. And God our Lord bless them.. Most of them are educated people. Teenagers serving teenagers is almost everywhere in their communities and they grow forever more in the teaching of Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Thank You,
    Kim

  33. Thanks Marianne.
    Yes, they are blessed and have God’s favor. All because of His love and compassion.
    Kim

  34. Good to see a positive slant on end-times; ‘Jesus came to save the world. not destroy it!’

  35. “How can God bless China when she is one of the worst persecutors of Christians in the world?”

    My reply: God converted the pagan Roman Empire which persecuted Christians worse than the current day China in terms of torturing.

    Christians in Roman Empire were burnt alive to provide light on the streets of Rome; they were fed to the lions while being watched by Romans for entertainment; animals were used to rape and sodomize them to humiliate them (human-animal intercourse were not that uncommon back then), they were the scapegoats of every single disasters.

    Christians in China: they were shot, sent to labor camp and starved.

    Which one is worse? And if God could convert the pagan Romans, i think he can convert any nation if he wants to.

  36. but then again, If God did convert China into a christian nation, they might become more anti-jewish…

    Alot of the muslim countries are in the east of israel, so the bible might be referring to them and not the Chinese…I think it’s the anti-communist propaganda at work in America to put china as someone who wanna invade Israel.

  37. just wondering why the western world always like to portrait china as the bad guy and them as the good guy? try to see the current facts and accept the reality.. china is soo blessed economically now and already the 2nd (if not the 1st) largest christians in the world.. the only country that never has the anti-semite issues since the ancient time e.g. the ancient kaifeng jews live peacefully there (not like the west’s track records even today!)

    why would anyone think that suddenly china would be the anti-semite in the end time? pls be fair in your “judgement”…

    • hi samuel

      Most negative attention is given to China because of its Communism and persecution of its Christians, as well as its political alliance with Russia, who hates the west.

      But if you look above, I am quite positive about China. I do not see China as antisemitic. I see it more currently as politically offended because the west has borrowed billions of dollars from it, and cannot pay it back.

      While its economic policies seem oppressive to the west, its citizens are used to it, and seem to live under it. Its alliance with Russia and Pakistan is a concern to the west. However, it is not as much a threat as North Korea, Iran, who oppress its own and make open threats against the west.

  38. hi marianne,

    ok.. but politic is politic, religion is religion.. discussing the end time is about religion and truth not politic, religion cannot be politicized.

    besides, it is the west that have borrowed billions of dollars, and probably cannot pay it back as you said but that is not an excuse to portrait china as the bad guy in the end time.. maybe we all have to start to see the true hard facts and accept the awakening reality why china is soo blessed today? blessings only comes from God and seems obvious that HE likes them! (and israel as well of course).

  39. I am deeply grateful for the writer of this article for posting and sharing this with us all. As a Chinese-born Christian, I will admit that since my conversion, I have been increasingly uneasy with the cruelty of the Communist regime there, and bothered by the possibility of my homeland being an enemy of God in the End Times.

    But only God Himself knows if this shall be so. One Christian might interpret prophecy one way, others a hundred different fashions. The Chinese people truly are on the whole a gentle people, and even historically, the Chinese have espoused civilization, art, harmony, peace and order, in contrast with the brutal Japanese or the barbaric Mongol invaders, both of whom to this day have largely rejected Christ’s teachings. And it cannot be denied that the Christian faith is now flourishing in the Middle Kingdom, some saying that there are even more Christians than Communists.

    So is China blessed or damned? I know not – but the Lord does, and I pray that some souls in China, at least, will yet reach salvation.

    • hello celunon

      Thank you for your comment. The reason I wrote this is because I have had the same observation about the Chinese people. They are not a war like people, and seem to be very private. I think china has been blessed much in the same way America has, because of the believers in Christ there, who work for good, not evil. All countries have good and evil in them, and China is no different in this regard from any other country.

  40. Paul Phelps on THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL. Any comments?

    http://www.eifiles.cn/tt-en.htm

  41. But he had mentioned : ” Marco Polo’s writings indicate that in his time China’s Jews were still recognisable as Jews. Some families in China still possess their Jewish ancestry records even after such a long time. “

  42. I think he is talking about the assimilation of the House of Joseph and the House of Judah (their “Seed”) rather than their “Jewish” identity :

    ” God wants Israel to increase in size. Regarding the Semitic nature, God sees Eastern and Western Hebrews the same. Israel’s tribes brought more blessing through assimilation; thus Eastern Hebrews obtained Israel’s Kingdom destiny. In God’s view the people of the orient are the main part of the nation of Israel including all twelve of Jacob’s tribes; this includes both the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Both houses with all twelve tribes are now in the orient. ”

    AND

    ” The blessings inherent within the Israeli tribes expanded through assimilation absorbing the Chinese people and others. **Destinies in the soul never get weaker, they keep expanding forever. ”

    As for the “Jews” in China (not necessarily still “Jewish” though today), I found this :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_China

  43. http://vimeo.com/26037646
    (prophetic messages for Korea and Asia ) by Jaeson ma

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nErdEArbUJQ&feature=mfu_i n_order&list=UL (message for Korea)
    (jaeson ma in ihop-kc)

  44. There are not 180 million Christians in China. There may be 15 million. Of those that are called “Christian” you must understand that there are many very strange cultic variations here that are not really Christian at all.

  45. Israeli PM’s New Year wishes big hit in China … it’s definitely moving and proves just how far the relations between the two countries can go …

    Watch Netanyahu speak Chinese :

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4179584,00.html

  46. Welcome :)

  47. When two old-friends/soul-brothers met again.. :D

  48. :) Maybe This Time … Two old friends meet again …

    .

  49. :D

  50. China has been downloading my podcast almost from day one, they love the song, How Great Thou Art! I don’t want to rock the boat for them (get them in trouble) But I thank God, they are listening.

    • hello mr dovie

      I have heard that too, that they sneak broadcasts into their homes in China, so they can stay up to date on what is happening in free countries. I am also grateful they are listening.

  51. Excellent Page…… While reading your information on what the Word says about Sinim, I discovered that in the Quest Study Bible (NIV) they refer to Sinim as Aswan and they say that it is in Southern Egypt. Also the online concordance in the Blue letter study bible, which used strongs concordenace, says that the word Sinim is “Ciyniym ” which means

    “Sinim = “thorns”

    1) a people living at the extremity of the known world; may be identified with the inhabitants of southern China

    The key word here is MAY,,,,,, they may be people identified with the inhabitants of China. This is not a DEFINITE.

    Really, in my opinion Aswan of Southern EGYPT is WAY more plausable to believe concerning God bringing back His people; instead of China.

    God bless you !

    • Err… dude, but you do realised NIV is a corrupted version of the Scripture, right? http://www.soulwinning.info/bible/niv/homo.htm

      It’s an OPEN secret NIV is a sham. My pastor years ago has already did a detailing of it vs KJV and almost 30% of the NIV content is ALTERED.

      Go Google NIV version.

      Yahweh has plan for China or not is not for me to say. I’m neutral. But sorry for being direct, honestly…you sound too desperate to have your views fitted…trying too hard.

  52. WOW , i found this website last evening. tonight i found the “china article’ . I love the chinese people and the beutiful countryside. i married a chinese lady ,a church lady. what a delight she is. i have taken bibles into china and many tracks, they can not get enough. i’ve gone to the big churches but they are very formal,still at the end of the service some stay to pray,they love the lord. they feel so honored when i give them a gosple pamphlet. i guess i could get in trouble but i’m a trouble maker any way. some times we speak on the bus and all ears are open. if only a full gosple church could open their..it would have to be massive. God put them on my heart when i decided to make a full comitment to him. i am in a slow process of making a dvd and gosple tracks to take their and have them mass produced. If one could see why the government does not like christianity they may understand their agression . a long time ago the catholic priests had a problem with the govt, they say the pope is above all and will obey the pope before the govt , well we all know where that goes . they see this as the western religion. WE MUST FOLLOW JESUS, why can we not obey him? he plainly stated to obey the leaders… does he not control them and us? today 2012 the govt of china know that true communisim is good but like all govt’s it has become corrupt. i ask the question..what type of govt. did jesus like, or what type of govt will he have in the new life. this is what works. democracy sure does not work, it is full of greed and that is the down fall as we are seeing today. if china became a christian nation so to speak what a country it would be, with the kindness that the common people have and unity , it would fit in naturaly. i see the leaders changing heart ..now a new crew has come in it may change more ..pray for that. i would love to meet the leaders of china to share my heart and what god’s blessings would do for that country . Wen Jiabo was a good man for china,i pray for him.let us all pray for that beautiful nation.

    • dear moyell

      Thank you for sharing your love for China. What a huge population! God has not forgotten them. I am not surprised that the Chinese leadership has gotten a bad impression due to poor christian witness. I am in agreement with you that a change take place, and many hearts there open to the Lord God, and many are saved.

  53. Thank you. I’m American and was always impressed with the moral historical culture of the Chinese, but never knew how they fit in with God.

  54. When the end times come, you don’t need to worry who is attacking who. You just need to worry what is your relationship with God.

  55. Actually China is no longer a communist country, although it has an authoritarian government. China has embraced capitalism. Corruption and greed exist in both a communist state or a capitalist state or a democratic state. The ruling party in China is only “Communist” in name. Even within the ruling party CCP, it has evolved into a two faction ecosystem which is good since it creates check and balance. While China still have a long way to go on human rights in its own country, it has also come a long way over the past two decades. As for the USA, while the country practice good human rights in its own country, it is unfortunately less benign in its foreign practice. The USA has waged wars on many countries, and killed millions of innocent civilians while trying to do “regime change”. While its politicians demonize China, the US is no angel and actively supports many dictators in the middle east and Africa. Most politicians, whether in China, the USA, or other countries, can’t be trusted, and it is up to their people to keep them in check the best they can. And trust that God will in His time help change things.

  56. I am a Chinese from a family church,I am very happy to see god didn’t abandon China,unfortunately in China, churchs belongs to the government and the communist party,if you go to these churchs you must love government and the party before you love god.We can’t use Google and most websites out China,I am the few people can cross the great fire wall(thank god) to visit this website.Media controlled by government,people never know the truth.And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”John8:32 . Despite Buddhism and Confucius,they don’t have an Almight God.Tao has connections with a Almight God,Tao and Tao religion are two different thing,Tao religion is a government thing.In the book 《Tao》14,the writer of Tao — Laozi,he said Tao creates everthing and rules everything and Tao is 夷希微(yixiwei),the pronunciation sounds like Jehoveh. At part time,I usually pass out leaflets to passerby,and talk to them “Jesus loves you”,but city managers and policemen will stop you if they see.We will do things to change the country!!!
    Praise god,哈利路亚!

  57. i would love to find some ministers and people in the under ground church . i can provide them with small bible papers. eventualy i wish to take dvd’s.

  58. Thank you,Marianne,thanks all here for your kindly words.China is doing really bad on human rights,we should not abandon ourselves,beacause god is watching.I am a lucky people to see god’s love,so I am trying to spread this love to more people.Anything is welcomed to Chinese Christians which from Western Christains.OK,I am just kidding,I am not a church minister,I am 23,and a office worker in Wuhan Hubei province.Anyway I am grateful for you,meryl,should I pay for bible papers and dvds.I think Chinese young people will like it especially college students.When I go to some big churchs,many many young people there,most of them are students,they understand English very well.
    So good bye here,god is with us,以马内利

  59. hi . thank you for writing. i will not charge for any material i send . now i try to finish my house so i can travel. i did not invest in the dvd yet. i want it to be profesional so to captivate the heart. you can email me dirrectly at mrcbignickel@gmail .com i wish to visit china in december. i can bring material with me then. i would like to see wuhan also.

  60. I will right here in Wuhan and give you a warmly welcome,You come China in december,maybe we can enjoy christmas together,I will email you.I am look forward to see you,I can be your tour guide when you come to wuhan.

  61. thank you for warm welcome . my wife and me want to go back to china. if we come to wuhan i will find you . take care . god bless . ping un.

  62. PM Benjamin Netanyahu is going to visit China next week on May 5th, 2013 !

    God Israel bless !!

  63. I sent you Email,Meryl,but the connecting always fail to send,the problem comes from the Chinese Interenet censorship.do u have another email,maybe I can send.

  64. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu returns from China, landed in Israel with officials in his entourage on Friday afternoon following a five day visit to China.

    “This is the conclusion of a very successful visit. I met this afternoon with President Xi and yesterday I met with Premier Li and we agreed to establish a task force of senior Israeli and Chinese government officials to work out a strategic plan to enable the highest level of cooperation between Israeli technologists, businesspeople and experts and all facets of the Chinese economy.

    “I think this is a breakthrough, and it’s very, very significant for Israel and I believe it will also be significant for China.”

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/167888

  65. Oh by the way, PM Benjamin Netanyahu said that he feels a special connection, and connected with the chinese civilization, with the Chinese people.

    He offers and proposed a Marriage of Israel global tecnology power with China global economic power.

    God bless !!

  66. Politics is politics; religion is religion. That does not apply to China at all. In China, religions are strictly politics. The government even owns most religions.

    The Chinese are smart enough not trying to conquer the world now, but that does not mean that they are peaceful in anyway. You should read more about Chinese history, especially what is taught in Chinese schools. It will sound like they are living in a world pre-WWII where wars are fought as the solution for everything.

    If ones doesn’t think democracy (or more correctly speaking, capitalism) works, it probably doesn’t work for China either. As China is probably the most capitalist country in the world right now. It is no longer communist at all.

    Just one example how poltics intervenes with religions: (in Chinese, but I think google translate will do the job for you)
    http://world.huanqiu.com/regions/2013-12/4674057.html

  67. Forget the past, run towards the goal.

    Yes, there were plenty of wrong deeds against Christianity on the yellow land in the past. All are bygone. All are history. The current stance of the PRC government, kindly search in Youtube: CBN, China, Thomas, You will find ample blessing from GOD drench the whole yellow land.

    A lot of empires and countries had done wrong things to Christians before. A lot of them later becomes blessed empires. On the other hand, a lot of countries which used to love GOD were led astray by the secular values.

    This is no certainty. As mentioned by GOD in Matthew 7:1-6, do not judge.

    Try our best to spread GOD’s gospel. GOD promised in Romans 1:16, first save the Jew and then the gentile. GOD is now working on deliverance of the gentile in Asia, not only China but also Indonesia, Malaysia…. GOD bless China, my motherland and the world.

  68. I just finished reading the Book, “Jesus in Beijing” by David Aikman, Former Beijing Bureau Chief, Time magazine. It is a good book to read to understand the revival movement of the underground churches led by brave men and women in China. He believes within few decades, one-third of the Chinese population will be Christians, making China one of the largest Christian nations in the world! In-spite of persecution, the underground Church is growing very fast. Once it thought to be an impossible thing, now it is a possibility! The Spirit of God is moving in the hearts of many people in these last days! I remember during my high school days, we few young people got together once a week to pray for Russia. At that time, Russia was closed for any Gospel work and no Christian activities were permitted by the law. We prayed, and I know, countless other people all over the world also prayed – — God to break down the iron curtain. And God did! Russia was opened for the gospel work. We need to pray for the Chinese people, especially for those who are being persecuted. The nation need to hear the message of hope and salvation.
    I would also encourage every Christian to pray for the nation of Iran. There are lot of things happening inside Iran. God is moving in the hearts of many Iranian people. Let us uphold this nation also before the throne of God that He would sweep the whole nation with His Power and break down all the barriers for the Gospel message. Our God is a God of all flesh! (Jer. 32.27)
    Blessings
    Sam

  69. All nations will come against Israel including China.

    14 Behold, a (A)day is coming for the Lord when (B)the spoil taken from you will be divided among you. 2 For I will (C)gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the (D)houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go forth and (E)fight against those nations, as [a]when He fights on a day of battle. 4 In that day His feet will (F)stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be (G)split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. 5 You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the (H)earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. (I)Then the Lord, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with [b]Him!

  70. I believe the ‘Kings of the East’ refer to those Israelite descendants known today under other national names who are themselves kings, are included with the king of China (Sinim). Hence the word ‘Kings of the East’ living in the eastern part of the earth are! ‘God’s Weapons of Judgement’ on the nations who hate Israel. Because, their ancestors were the ones being represented by the ‘Kings of the East’ or ‘The Wise Men of the East’ who visited Baby Jesus at Bethlehem the night he was born. Also, the Parthian’s (Jews) of PARTHIA in Asia were known to be dreaded by the Romans, now ask yourself, when Babylon and the anti-Christ come to their ultimate end who will be involved with that? Jesus (Yeshua) ‘The Son Of Almighty God’ will also have his army on earth on the move at his command to fight at Jerusalem too, ‘The Tribe of Judah’ will be there fighting also the surrounding nations helping the Israeli’s… Amongst the ‘Kings of the East’ is the ‘Tribe of Judah.’ Now ask yourself again, why has the Bible mentioned that when the Lord comes back to Jerusalem, that he will save ‘Judah’s Tents first?’ It is obvious to me that his army that is coming in from the nations especially from the East, will be sleeping in tents at the time. The ‘Super Highway China Is Building’ sounds like the physical ‘Holy Highway’ being not only prepared for the 200 Million Strong Army from the east, but also for the rest of the ‘Remnant of Israel’s safe return to Jerusalem’ from whence their ancient Israelite ancestors came from, (they will be coming in from the nations). In the Bible it is written; God speaking to the descendants of Israel living outside the holy land, “Remember the highway from which you travelled, come back my dear people to your Land…” This is yet for the appointed time. God has also been known to open the sea up, He can also open the oceans up for His people if need be too. Have you heard the phrase; ‘People of Zion’ asking the foreigners which is the’ Road to Zion’?
    I for one am aware of our ancient connections to the ancient Israelites who went to China BC and entered through the ‘Kaifeng Gate,’ while others of our ancestors from the same race entered the ‘Great Ocean.’
    China was the first country I stepped foot on outside the country I was born in. In fact I have been in and out of China five times, and often wondered why? China?

    God Bless China And Israel

  71. I believe the following to be reasonably correct as far as I can ascertain.
    China Russia and many other nations are going to set up a monetary system free from the dominating influence of the US The World Bank, IMF and the Zionists of Israel. These latter people are basically converts to the Jewish faith and not the sons of Israel the man. Of course the Zionists in Israel now control the wealth of many nations through People such as the Rothschild s and the Reserve Banks. Many come from one of Noah’s sons named Japheth, They developed a kingdom to the North of the Caspian Sea and became the Ashkenazim and later converts to Judaism. In many stages of history they controlled the banking systems. Eventually they even controlled much assets in the UK after William the Conqueror, conquered England. Then in later years they had a banking system in Germany but were moved out by Hitler Then Chancellor of the German nation. They then moved their center to Poland. Shortly after Poland was bombed by Hitler. Whether these two events are related is not completely know.
    However in the coming day of Armageddon and possibly as a result of the two globally competing monetary systems of the near future. China may rise up against those who call themselves Jews but are not of the bible. The Letter to Smyrna indicate this aim. Smyrna of course is not actually in Israel but further North yet still requires passage across the Euphrates River to get there. Also near here is Ephesus where the Romans aided by the Jews of the area Martyred the Christian Bishop and Leader named Polycarp an earlier disciple of John. The real Jews in Israel tended to get along with the Arabs without warring but only make up about 15% of the Israels population and there is often no assimilation between the two specifically intermarriage. It would seem that the coming financial change may be the catalyst for Armageddon especially when money has been the root cause of most wars one way or another.

    • dear dennis

      I appreciate your interest but I have to correct you some. Jews were scattered in the diaspora 2000 years ago , and even before that, when the chaldeans invaded the northern kingdom of ISrael. and they moved to the exact location you identify as the askenazi territory….they should not be confused with the sons of japeth who lived there to begin with.

      there is a lot of propaganda on the internet, put there by satan himself, to discredit any jew not born in Israel as a fake jew. apparently, you have been reading it. DNA studies have been done and identify these people as jews.

      keep in mind that these people are so devoted to their judaism that they died for their faith. this hardly makes them part of a synagogue of satan…but the opposite….martyrs for their faith.

      jews that live in Israel today are real jews…..why else would they be there?

      there are safer places to live than Israel, which is constantly attacked by HAMAS, the terrorist group. if they were not real jews, they could go live where you live, or in europe or america r somewhere else, where they do not have to put up with daily terrorism.

      the reason they risk their lives to live there is because God called them there….they risk their lives to obey God’s calling. and they PRACTICE judaism, which a fake jew would not bother to do.

      while there may be a rare jew associated with banking, most jews have nothing to do with banking….most are doctors, scientists, lawyers, farmers, rabbis, or some other business…..I really don’t know if the rothschilds are jewish or not, or even fake jews, but they are only ONE family out of billions of people….so it is not good to generalize one family as representing ALL jews everywhere.

      china will not come against the jews but the antichrist who will set up himself in the temple, which will horrify the jews, who will flee the city

      it is always good to discuss what we read on the internet……if you ever made a visit to Israel, you would see that what you have read is wrong….there are “askenazi” jews daily who interact with arabs, and get along fine…..they work to help those harmed in attacks and bring food into Gaza.

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