China given eminent domain over USA?

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Normally I don’t discuss politics, but this is important, if true. 

If true, the USA now belongs to China.

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Eminent domain

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eminent domain is the American term. It is known by different terms in different countries.

Eminent domain (United States), compulsory purchase (United Kingdom, New Zealand, Ireland), resumption/compulsory acquisition (Australia) or expropriation (South Africa and Canada) ….

is an action of the state to seize a citizen’s private property, expropriate property, or seize a citizen’s rights in property with due monetary compensation, but without the owner’s consent.

The property is taken either for government use or by delegation to third parties who will devote it to public or civic use or, in some cases, economic development.

The most common uses of property taken by eminent domain are for public utilities, highways, and railroads, however it may also be taken for reasons of public safety, such as in the case of Centralia, Pennsylvania.

Some jurisdictions require that the government body offer to purchase the property before resorting to the use of eminent domain.

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borrowed from this blog:

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A Marines Disquisition …

http://amd.elequity.com/blog1.php?p=145&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

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BOMBSHELL II-CONFIRM-UNIMAGINABLE BETRAYAL-US GIVES CHINA EMINENT DOMAIN OVER US

This comes from Robert Chapman, publisher of International Forecaster.

WORTH A CAREFUL READ AND DISSEMINATION TO OTHERS!

Subject: BOMBSHELL II-CONFIRM-UNIMAGINABLE BETRAYAL-US GIVES CHINA EMINENT DOMAIN OVER US 88|

PLEASE DISSEMINATE IMMEDIATELY-EVERYWHERE POSSIBLE

USA DOUBLE CROSSED-SOLD OUT BY POLITRICKSTER CABAL

THIS PERTINENT SECTION BELOW OF THE INTERNATIONAL FORECASTER DATED WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2011,

CONFIRMS A USA TENDER TO CHINA-A WRITTEN AGREEMENT GRANTING AN OPTION TO EXERCISE EMINENT DOMAIN WITHIN THE USA,

AS COLLATERAL FOR CHINA’S CONTINUED PURCHASE OF US TREASURY NOTES AND EXISTING US CURRENCY RESERVES.

Put simply, the feds have now actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States.

They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to "take" all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt.

This is an unimaginable betrayal of every man, woman and child in the USA. An outrage worthy of violent overthrow.

Sources at the United States Embassy in Beijing China have just CONFIRMED to me that the United States of America has tendered to China a written agreement which grants to the People’s Republic of China, an option to exercise Eminent Domain within the USA, as collateral for China’s continued purchase of US Treasury Notes and existing US Currency reserves!

The written agreement was brought to Beijing by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and was formalized and agreed-to during her recent trip to China.

This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take inside the USA land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.

Put simply, the feds have now actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States.

They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to "take" all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt.

This is an unimaginable betrayal of every man, woman and child in the USA. An outrage worthy of violent overthrow.

I am endeavoring to obtain images or copies of the actual document but in the interim, several different sources both in the US and in China have CONFIRMED this to me.

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Marianne’s note:

Well, if true, it was inevitable. Our government failed.

How does a Chinese presence in America relate to bible prophecy?

The answer is I don’t know yet.

But it does imply an end to American governance, if China takes over.

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Maybe this sheds more light on these posts:

1. Current Chinese property and business in the USA:

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/257-foreign-trade-zones-across-america/

2. Prophecy regarding China:

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/prophecies-and-visions-of-dumitru-duduman/

notes:

Russian plans to destroy America

Treacherous alliance between Russia, China, and two others (Korea and Cuba?) to destroy America.

When America goes to war with China, the Russians will strike without warning.

Watch where the Russians penetrate America : Alaska; Minnesota; Florida.

But, when America burns, the Lord will raise China, Japan and other nations to go against the Russians.

According to the prophecy, possibly China is against America politically, and willing to conspire, but will still protect its property interests inside the USA.

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3.  Chinese buying up US banks – references given:

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/food-and-water-note/

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Final:

If American property is given to China to pay off US government generated debt, hopefully, this would only include land that is owned by the government anyhow.

However, if the case is extreme, the loss of individual property rights for citizens could occur, if private property is confiscated as well.

 But……

Soon all the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdom of our God.  

And the rule of man will be replaced with the rule of the Messiah.

So, if you want your inheritance as a child of YHVH God, then make sure your allegiance is to YHVH God, and not man.


81 Responses to “China given eminent domain over USA?”

  1. Frightful and idiotic. As for the Duduman prohecies, I do not take them “whole”, that is, although one must applaud this martyr of God for his defense of the faith, I am not sure the prophecies I just read will come about as he said. For one thing, he is in the anti-rapture camp, or one might say that he believed the Church would be raptured at the end of the tribulation when Jesus comes in the Second Coming. Meet the Lord in the air and then come back with him at once, I think. I think the rapture before the full manifestation of the tribulation is shown clearly in Scripture and am not therefore afraid to say I believe in it, even though I am no Duduman.

    But to return to the subject of the Chinese and our Secretary of State
    going to sign over these papers, this is something one could never have believed a few years ago. It is bizarre. Truly, could we have believed anything like this even ten years ago?

    • Everyone in Washington DC is an idiot. None can balance their own check book….and they think they can run the country.

    • I am sorry but the pre-trib rapture is not scripture. The good and the bad seed will grow to the end and both will be harvested at the same time.

      • the parable of the wheat and the tares! Thank you!! It is crazy that I never thought about that until you mentioned it….that would be at the time of harvest, because to pull up the tares before hand would up root the wheat as well..!!!

    • This is utterly ridiculous!

      The notion that the U.S. has agreed to guarantee its foreign debt by granting China permission to enact “eminent domain” and “physically take land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities” from the U.S. isn’t even a sensible claim.

      The concept of “eminent domain” in the United States refers to the right of the government to seize private property for public use in exchange for payment of fair market value. (The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution mandates that “private property [shall not] be taken for public use, without just compensation.”) Thus the idea of enacting eminent domain as a form of debt repayment or guarantee isn’t logical: It’s akin to a debtor’s offering to settle a $5,000 debt by agreeing to sell his creditor $5,000 worth of jewelry for $5,000 — at the end of the day, the debtor hasn’t given up anything, and his creditor still hasn’t collected anything on his original loan amount.

      Moreover, Executive Order 13406 (“Protecting the Property Rights of the American People”) states that the the federal government must limit its use of the taking of private property “to situations in which the taking is for public use, with just compensation” and “not merely for the purpose of advancing the economic interest of private parties to be given ownership or use of the property taken.”

      Aside from functional arguments, the common sense test applies: If the U.S. government had actually guaranteed, in writing, that China could seize private property within the U.S. to satisfy the financial obligations of the U.S. government, that information would be the biggest new story of the day. So who is reporting this news? Not any legitimate news outlet — the story appears only in the blog of former radio host Hal Turner (who has previously presented fictitious tales of politically outrageous subjects as actual occurrences, such as proffering fake Amero coins as proof of a secret conspiracy to merge the U.S., Mexico, and Canada into a single entity) and in hundreds of identical Internet replications.

      Sources: Cao, Belinda and Judy Chen. “China Needs U.S. Guarantees for Treasuries, Yu Says.”
      Bloomberg. 11 February 2009.
      Corsi, Jerome R. “Did Hillary Really Pledge U.S. Homes to China?”
      WorldNetDaily. 2 March 2009.
      Kessler, Glenn. “Clinton Urges Continued Investment in U.S.”
      Washington Post. 23 February 2009 (p. A12).

      • dear disciple

        I did not say this was legally logical. The government has not been following the constitution for decades. Since the last election, it has been completely abandoned.

        The Chinese and Russians are already here as UN forces, waiting, and more troops are across our Mexican border. You actually trust the media to report the truth? They are paid to report what is told to them.

        Our country is due to crash in the next year, and it is planned that foreign powers will come in to take over. It is called the New World Order.

        I hope I am totally wrong, but if you check around, our dollar will crash and be replaced by a new global currency, or a “mark of the beast” financial system.

        Under that system, we will have no citizen rights at all because the constitution will be officially abolished, as our sovereignty will be relinquished to the NWO.

  2. Marianne -

    Usually I can follow these posts and your site, but this one threw me back in my chair. Is this someone’s “vision” or “forcast”? Or is this TRUE and either you or someone is trying to obtain copies of the actual documents? You usually do not post or repost stuff unless you have pretty much checked out the validity. The link to “A Marine’s Disquisition …” doesn’t work unless it is my computer again. God save us.

    Denise

    “Don’t tell God how big your storm is, tell the storm how big your GOD is.”

    • hi Denise,

      This is a report in progress. The original blogger is trying to find out more about what he has been told. In the meantime, I have heard similar things leaked out in news reports, but thought it was only being considered, and not official yet.

  3. I was able to get the link to work.
    Thanks,
    Denise

  4. Moses gave a very accurate prophecy about America in Deut. 28:15-68. Beginning of the country was greatly blessed according to Deut. 33: 13-17.
    But in 1913 the US government became so corrupted that they let the devil to run the country. The devil used bribery and threatening to establish Federal Reserve. Nobody cared to notice that even its name was a LYE, and if something begins with the lye it’s easy to guess the future. The whole thing had nothing to do with Federal governement except formally the President nominates the head of FED chosen by greedy bankers. It took only 15 years of them to great the great depression. One result of this was that Bank of America got very rich.
    The blessings from above started to diminish in 1963 when “we the people” decided thru Supreme Court that God does not belong to school. Later “devotional” teaching of ten Commandments was eliminated from all courts and lawyers who refused to remove them were fired. In Supreme Court Moses tablets are still visible but they refer to ten Amendments.
    Clinton and Bush (both owned by NWO) eliminated the Constitution so that the President can at any time take a dictatorial power and declare Martial law. Christians are not allowed to pray in schools but Muslims can do it. Sharia laws are already in force in certain areas and honour murders are accepted by police. According to Sharia if 13 year old girl is raped mullahs come and can determine 100 whip strikes for wrong sexual behaviour. If she dies that was Allah’s will.
    In addition that all the presidents follow NWO orders NWO owns also the Congress and thus Congress cannot fire illegal President.
    In the series of curses the US is now in Deut.28:44, only borrowing money. When the value of the dollar disappears any banker wood ask more collateral. Besides the world is now in a seven year famine 2008-2015. Biblical collateral is described in Gen. 47:19 “we and our land will be servants unto China”.
    Deut. 28:45 continues by describing the future. “Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee till thou be destroyed.”
    “we the people” have completely surrendered to Supreme court the persons in which are all nominated by NWO whose purpose is to run down America and reduce it to a third class nation as one of their first steps in the creation of One World Government.
    The only thing NWO is afread of are the Christians because they can get God to delay the operations of the devil. God’s moral codes need to be returned to their place. Otherwise God lets the devil to continue his plan following Deut. 28.
    All new American laws are today prepared by NWO thru one of their organisations CFR. All Obama’s close associates are members of CFR and when 1000 pages long law package comes to Congress Obama requests its approval NOW. And all new laws contain elements of directing towards marxist government including tighter controls than Red China ever had. And this happens always in the name of security which people are more and more requesting based on huge lyes in everything. Man made climate warming is BS, the target is to develop carbon tax basis for the UN. 75 % of temperature measuring points in the US are selected to be no more and this is the science to show increasing temperatures. The war against terrorism is BS. 911 was homemade (No aircraft found in Pentagon) to justify Iraq war to help Muslim Brotherhood to create a Caliphate in the ME and to destroy American economy by the cost of trillions. Tax laws and different restrictions in America has been made so that it is more economical to the companies to move American jobs abroad.

  5. A couple of things:
    One, it doesn’t matter what the Feds do. Nothing is valid unless the Congress of the People of the USA make that move. The Fed bureaucrats, the President, etc, can all join together to mortgage us away, but unless Congress actually is signatory, then it doesn’t matter. Remember, the People (Congress) are the ultimate authority in the USA.

    Two, even if the land and all assets in the USA were actually given over (legally) to the Chinese government, what is China going to do? I suppose they’d install their party officials in the various governments, corporations, companies, etc, as the official take-over, but how long will that last? Americans won’t suffer that forever.

    Or else, are they going to physically take over everything by force? How do you do that here in the USA?? Sure, they make grab this or that, but remember Red Dawn…? Too many people, over too much land, with too many means of defense. Won’t happen. At best they’d take over certain locales, but in the end they’d have to pull out and go back to China. Then we’d string up the politicians who sold us out…

  6. Comment sent in by Silvan. Is this post in error? I will search for more information, and if this is wrong, I will remove the post.

    Hi Marianne.. I have researched this eminent domain thing and found it was exactly two years ago as the same story was passed around..
    http://www.rense.com/general85/give.htm — look at the date

    From a comment on daily paul:

    “Even though this is sourced from Bob Chapman’s newsletter [normally very reliable], this seems to be virtually identical to a hoax (at best) or disinfo piece that went viral almost exactly 2 years ago — late Feb. 2009.

    Compare the wording, even the capitalization to the original here
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/domain.asp
    and here
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f8_1235673139
    and note the dates.

    World Net Daily did a decent expose’ of this on March 2, 2009
    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=90491

    Also, I think Hillary’s most “recent trip to China” was in May of last year — not very recent.
    http://www.state.gov/secretary/trvl/2010/141984.htm

    IF the story is real this time around, I’m going to require a good bit more convincing.”

    However, everything IS possible these days. Yah bless!
    Silvan

  7. How many “american” banks are still owned by China? Wachovia was one of them but then they merged with Wells Fargo…..

  8. I had a dream back in the 90′s that I didn’t understand at the time..I was in my home in a little rural NC town that is basically a spot on the map. I was hiding under my bed, but glanced out every so often to see what was going on outside. When I looked out, I saw a Chinese army in full uniform, armed, marching up the road in front of my house. The line of troops went on and on.

    I think about that dream now in regards to where we are econimically, socially, politically and maybe even spiritually.

    We are over run with the foreign..and in saying that, this is what I mean: We have allowed every foreign religion and way of life into this country. If you follow the world’s way today, there is no true good, because the masses are now saying good is evil and evil good. The idea of owing our “enemies” such a huge amount of money would have been thought totally insane by the everyday joe one hundred years ago..we hardly blink an eye about it today. Made in the USA is actually made in China, shipped to USA so we can put the made in USA label on it..I see the dream literally coming to pass right before my eyes…and still it goes on..

    GOD’s will and purpose for us all is going to be done regardless of whether we like and approve of it or not. HIS prophesies will happen right on time as HE intends them to..
    What are we supposed to do while this world is falling further and further into the pit? Draw closer to GOD, listen to HIM and what HE tells you to be doing..Now it’s more essential than ever to have that type of relationship with HIM..

    Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
    2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
    2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    we cannot put dependance on any man, nation, or government. We have to be awake and aware…it’s time to seek HIS face like never before and listen to what HE tells us to be doing.

  9. Of course the story is true. its funny how the shame of the boogeyman named Osama Bin Laden changes when these videos are released. Bad make up job i say.With all eyes on Obama, Port of Los Angeles security under control of Chinese President’s son!

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6378

  10. Hi All, It might be important to note the Boer Prophet Siener Van Rensburg saw this in the beginning of the century. Google him you will see that this was seen back then. Just funny also but for the life of me I cannot remember the movie name but this was in the early 1990′s the president that they referred to in future was Obama, what a coincident?
    I believe Sieners visions of whats happening in N-Africa and China and the USA would be in line with whats current

  11. Marianne,

    What do we know about the cities that China has built and ones in progress and no one is living in them or understands there purpose?

    It seems as odd as the FEMA issues we have going here?

    I have been busy this week so I haven’t been to the sites, trying to catchup?

    Pattie

    • pattie

      there are assigned areas for them to do trade inside the USA.

      China also owns Los Angeles…..in some way….through a “grant” by our government.

      Los Angeles security under control of Chinese President’s son!

      http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6378

      A grant, unlike a loan, does not have to be paid back.

      I do not know much about all this yet….I am just finding out.

  12. White man took the land from the Indians. So China beat our government at their own game.

  13. READ THE SOURCE GIVEN BY MARINE DISQUISTION. A SURPRISE IS WAITING THERE. . GOD RULES EMINENT DOMAIN OF AMERICA AND EVERY OTHER PLOT OF GROUND ON HIS GREEN EARTH.

    • i read the source….usa and china….why is that a surprise?

      • The link to his site now says it is a two year old hoax. It started back in 2009.

        Denise

        • that is according to snopes, which is not always correct. Snopes is written by a middle aged liberal housewife, not a professional news agency.

          if you check the news, China is taking over some US banks already and has rights to Los Angeles. It already has property within the USA.

          Much can change in 2 years anyhow.

          • Yes, Snopes.com and other sources, including yours. When we now take the link on your site to this story, Drew himself now apoligizes that it was all a hoax. We are reading it on your site.

            Confused,
            Denise

  14. this was on Yahoo’s main news stream this morning…
    “Who really owns the United States of America?”

    http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/112189/who-owns-the-us?mod=bb-debtmanagement

    • is this link even showing up on your page Marianne? I would have thought that it would be impossible to get any more current than Yahoo news for this morning!

  15. Copied from “A Marine’s Disquisition…” the link on you site, this site:

    ******* THE HOAX **** China and US Eminant Domain seizure hoax *****
    Recent discussion regarding International Trade Zones in the USA and HR 1105 — Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009, seems to have triggered the resurection of this now two year old hoax..In this interest of brevity. Attached Below are links which lead youto this conclusion for your review. WE APPOLOGIZE for **NOT** doing our home work for this MAJOR STORY. We wish to THANK “RK” for this OUTSTANDING RESEACH and CORRECTION.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a_dsDz145J_A

    http://www.dailypaul.com/84457/feds-grant-eminent-domain-as-collateral-to-china-for-us-debts

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2196426/posts

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90491

    http://rules-republicans.house.gov/ShortTopics/Read.aspx?ID=237
    Semper FI
    RK Cole, Jr.

    —This is/was your source that began this story here. I totally agree with all this country’s debt, we have sold out — but the part about Hillary Clinton bringing back papers from China and it being confirmed that there is a signed eminent domain, your own orignal source states it is a hoax.

    I am just confused.
    Denise

    • hi Denise

      I am a little confused too. I had looked for the links to disprove this. These denials are 2 years old. We need to find out what is the recent situation. The fact that China owns some of our banks is recent, and so is the situation with Los Angeles. I will remove this post if it is really untrue. Let us find information from 2011 or 2010 to see if there is any more on this.

  16. looking for recent / other news?

    2009
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/soros-china-will-lead-new-world-order.html

    2011
    http://www.infowars.com/meet-the-new-boss-china-owns-the-united-states/

    Jan 2011 – alex jones is reliable, and so is Lyndsey Williams.

    Obama birth certificate , oil, food prices, and China (set of 5 videos)

    • Listened to the above videos…very disturbing. What are we supposed to do? should we sell our homes and leave the country and if so, where do we go? Its hard to get what our homes are even worth now…..

  17. did you read the article that was on Yahoo news this morning? I posted the link, but I am not sure that anyone saw it..

    in case you didn’t it is

    http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/112189/who-owns-the-us?mod=bb-debtmanagement

  18. now the site decided to post it double…sorry!

  19. I guess this group would of been associated with Aaron Russo if he were alive. I won’t doubt if we return to the demonstrations of the 1960′s during the vietnam era
    http://www.onlyhedge.com/index.php/video/upload-video/viewvideo/87/peter-schiff/peter-schiff-on-02-15-2011-onlyhedgecommp4.html
    http://www.veteransforpeace.org/

  20. Feb 16, 2011
    Here is a brief clip from Hillary Clinton’s speech
    which was delivered at George Washington University on Tuesday, Feb 15, 2011.
    From Partnership for Civil Justice:
    As Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave her speech at George Washington University yesterday condemning governments that arrest protestors and do not allow free expression, 71-year-old Ray McGovern was grabbed from the audience in plain view of her by police and an unidentified official in plain clothes, brutalized and left bleeding in jail. She never paused speaking. When Secretary Clinton began her speech, Mr. McGovern remained standing silently in the audience and turned his back. Mr. McGovern, a veteran Army officer who also worked as a C.I.A. analyst for 27 years, was wearing a Veterans for Peace t-shirt

  21. Lyndsey;
    How about praying????????????????????????????????
    I’m not fear mongering, I want the church to wake up. I want my whole church of 176 to be at a prayer meeting at 6 am on Thursday, not just 8 people and two just joined us. They are the Mayberry Christians. Two people accepted my Prophecy in the News Magazines on Sunday. Are people going to wait until the riots start and people are out in the streets shooting others if they aren’t already doing that?

  22. http://www.onlyhedge.com/index.php/video/displayresults/0.html?pattern=Economy&rpp=0&sort=0&ep=&ex=

  23. Dear Bros. And Sisters

    Well the time of the end spoken of in the word of God is upon us!

    The first thing I would say where are the people who were dumb enough to put him in office? They are now all running in fear.

    Here is the thing:

    Revelations 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and (six)

    So that no one thinks I am speaking evil, see who this 666 is; go to http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/2008/obama_666_part5.html

    If the anti-christ is here and he is running the country, we have to confront it or face it with no voice.

    I agree he isn’t our President as the dream God gave me confirmed it for me. The scroll was ripped away in two different places. The US Constitution and the Bible mean nothing to him. He doesn’t believe in our God and he is not a natural born Citizen.

    Donald Trump was saying the other night on a talk show that he was ready for the job? I have no Idea what he stands for but if anything were going to be done it is going to take some wealthy people, the Congress and the Senate to do something. The nation did face Nixon down to impeachment. But since the number of his name speaks, what?

    Here are words of consideration;

    Joel 1:12 The vine is dried up, and the fig tree languisheth; the pomegrante tree, the palm tree also, and the apple tree, (even) all the trees of the field, are withered: because joy is withered away from the sons of men.

    Is BP Oil an accident?

    Joel 1:10 The fields are ruined, the ground is dried up; the grain is destroyed, the new wine is dried up, the oil fails.

    Jonah 4:7 But at dawn the next day God provided a worm, which chewed the vine so that it withered.

    Habakkuk 3:17 Though the fig tree does not bud and there are no grapes on the vines, though the olive crop fails and the fields produce no food, though there are no sheep in the pen and no cattle in the stalls,

    Haggai 2:19 Is there yet any seed left in the barn? Until now, the vine and the fig tree, the pomegrante and the olive tree have not borne fruit. “From this day on I will bless you.”

    The nations trouble didn’t start yesterday. Those who stole the homes of innocent people will have to face the judgment bar. My husband and I were hit by the crooked banks, stealing the American dream is taking someones home. We went to the state and they said it was wrong but no one did anything about it.

    But then knowing that God has control over all things; we know he sets-up and he sets-down, right?

    He made a new way for my husband and I, He promised to never leave us nor forsake us, and we have to take him at his word. Let every man be a liar but let the word of God be true.

    Will moving to another part of the world heal our issues?

    One man who interpreted Bible code as work saw what was coming to the country and claims Costa Rica is a safe place according to the word. So if anyone is looking for a place
    to go it is an excellent consideration. Costa Rica is not only a beautiful country it is filled with wonderful people.

    As far as Hilary I believe based on the dream she is going to her long home.

    Look who is really taking peace at this time from the world?

    Do you know years ago before Bill Clinton was married he played an instrument in a small church? He and his Mother were visiting in a small town in Illinois the other side of the River from St. Louis. A Minister who had the prophetic gift told him he would be President and that there would be one who left office after him and then would enter the anti-christ.

    I say the best word of encouragement I can give to anyone who is family in the Lord on this site; remember God didn’t give us a spirit of fear.

    I agree with what is wrong with the churches that there isn’t a greater call to prayer about what is going on but the Ministers who God has given charge to see it differently.

    It to them is fate spoken of in the promises and so maybe they just want to go to Heaven and be with the Lord and all of the Loved ones who have gone before them. No more struggle, sorrow, sickness or sadness everything will be glorious and supplied as complementary, you’re a member!

    Who knows what the anti-christ is planning on doing? He fired a CEO of a US corporation, Chrysler. He has gone into to nations in the Middle East and told two kings or heads to get out? The best way to describe him as children of God is he is a crazy man.

    He has a white horse, a Bow but never put an arrow as people just cow-tow to his demands.
    Have you seen anyone confront him and stop his forwardness? It almost sounds like what

    Russia said about us 35 years ago that they would take this nation without ever firing a shot. I believe it is so bad that if it comes time for him to go and our nation is still standing, he may refuse. If another term comes and he isn’t voted in then what?

    Something tells me someone is calling the shots and it isn’t him? He is puppet material. So
    What is going to be done to our nation to silence our people and shut us up? That is more then likely the true question we should be worried about?

    Is there an H-boom? My dream said there was one or the other; maybe it is an earthquake or gas blowing from below.

    Americans first clue should have been when he received a Nobel Peace Prize after just entering office and the election for the prize was along time before his winning an election? Someone had a plan and they are working it and working the people of this nation over.

    China has homes for people that the people aren’t in and some new towns but no one there. Are they coming to take the most elect of intellect back to help pay and offset the US debt, are we going to become slaves to China?

    Being Gods child I have to think on what God wants first but I think he knows as parents that we have concerns. I have one who lives off in Boston and is very talented and blessed by God. He did his under grad, grad and PhD at MIT.

    He was one of those boys who carried a Bible to school and ate it. Never gave anyone any trouble and loves the Lord. He use to tell us when he was still in school if war broke out don’t expect calls or be afraid if we didn’t hear from him because he would more then likely be deciphering code for the government.

    We are living in the last days as the Bible spells out. Some maybe able to escape as a few of the Jews did during the halocast. If any want the number and information for the one who wrote the book on bible code that moved to Costa Rica let me know. I am glad to pass it along. My husband and I considered it with some other avenues as a means of escaping the New Madrid issues/Bp Oil spill.

    I am with Lindsey Williams the Chinese are very brutal people. You fail or mess up they don’t fire you they execute the leaders of government.

    So the great question is “What does the Lord expect us to know and what are the words of encouragement.”

    God expects us to know:

    Revelations 13:16 And he caused all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    He expects us to be encouraged by his word and to trust him, keeping the faith:

    Galatians 6:17 finally, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.

    Revelation 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God

    Revelation 11:18 the nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great—and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

    Revelation 14:9 a third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand,

    Revelation 19:5 then a voice came from the throne, saying: “Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, both small and great!”

    Revelation 19:18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great.”

    Revelation 19:20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

    Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Finally:

    Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he (is) God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

    Blessing to all of God children and creatures,
    Pattie

    • Hey Pattie,

      Re: So that no one thinks I am speaking evil, see who this 666 is; go to http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/2008/obama_666_part5.html

      I looked that over and not so sure about using gematria…using the greek and hebrew gematria for 666 also revealed the name Nero Caesar…

      “Many researchers connect the “Number of the Beast”, referred to in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament, with either Greek or Hebrew gematria as used by the early Christians. According to such interpretations, the number in question, 666, was originally derived via gematria from the name of the Roman emperor of the time, Nero Caesar (נרונקסר, Nrwnqsr).[17]”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria

      Gematria is also associated with Kabbalah which is also associated with magic….something G-d is very much against.

      I’m not saying that Obama isn’t the AC, nor am I saying that he is….my first response/instinct/thought to Obama on his inauguration night was that the AC had arrived.

      Now, It could be that the AC had arrived-come upon the scene- but not necessarily in the man taking office. More time has gone by and I am now thinking that perhaps Obama is just a bit too obvious for this role.

      However, Beyond a shadow of any doubt, he is definitely a player more specifically, a “trojan horse”. But to say he is “the one” being the AC, I am not completely convinced, yet I am guarded and keeping my eyes wide open.

      And Pattie, have you seen the video put out by Walid Shoebat concerning the Mark of the Beast? He talks about gematria and why it shouldn’t be used. He gives us his interpretation of what was actually written stating that this particular verse describing the Mark was actually written in arabic…a language of which he quickly understood. He explains that what is actually written is “count the number of the beast” instead of “calculate”. According to Shoebat, what John had seen and written were the swords associated with Islam and “in the name of allah”. Very interesting…

  24. news today:

    Who Owns the U.S.?
    by Greg Bocquet
    Monday, February 28, 2011

    http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/112189/who-owns-the-us?mod=bb-debtmanagement

    1. Mainland China

    Amount of U.S. debt: $891.6 billion

    Share of total foreign debt: 20.4%

    2. Japan

    Amount of U.S. debt: $883.6 billion

    Share of total foreign debt: 20.2%

    3. United Kingdom

    Amount of U.S. debt: $541.3 billion

    Share of total foreign debt: 12.4%

    [World's Most Innovative Companies]

    4. Oil Exporters

    Amount of U.S. debt: $218 billion

    Share of total foreign debt: 5%

    5. Brazil

    Amount of U.S. debt: $180.8 billion

    Share of total foreign debt: 4.1%

    6. Caribbean Banking Centers

    Amount of U.S. debt: $155.6 billion

    Share of total foreign debt: 3.6%

    7. Hong Kong

    Amount of U.S. debt: $138.2 billion

    Share of total foreign debt: 3.2%

    8. Canada

    Amount of U.S. debt: $134.6 billion

    Share of total foreign debt: 3.1%

    9. Taiwan

    Amount of U.S. debt: $131.9 billion

    Share of total foreign debt: 3.0%

    10. Russia

    Amount of U.S. debt: $106.2 billion

    Share of total foreign debt: 2.4%

  25. Lyndsey

    You don’t know me in person, or I you. But I would like to believe if you come here to study and encourage other, God surely sent you. Are you a born again Christian? If so then I believe we are sisters in the.

    I don’t think God wants us to argue for any reason, so if we can discuss this in a good way I am glad to do so.

    I am pretty certain you know I am not a witch and don’t condone in any shape or form witchcraft. As I told you on the pale horse that I am shocked at the things I find in the world.

    The translators on the particular tag was created by the Five Doves Ministries, they
    are denominational Christians who believe in being born again and preach and teach around the world? I am not sure if I understand, is part of your issue with them or their faith beliefs?

    You say that Walid Shoebat said count the number of the beast instead of his name.

    Revelations 13:17&18- And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    18-Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
    It seems to me that it is very easily understood that it is 666 as the number and 17 verse leads and says the number of his name.

    Do you know Walid Shoebat? I am not familiar with him? Where would I find more out about him? You seem to feel comfortable with the things you heard, so if you have more information to share regarding this information please pass it on to me. It seems somewhere I saw it on a site of Marianne’s but not really certain?

    Let me share this with you Kabbalah is not the same thing as quaballa or (some spell it) quaballah?

    The book spelled with “K” is written by the Jewish sages, and the book with a “Q” but pronounced the same and blamed on King Solomon is not the same.

    When you speak to Jewish people about the “Q” being the book of “K” they want to know who vexed you to say such a thing?

    The one with the “Q” is of witchcraft spells.

    No one knows how or when the Kabbalah originated. It cannot even be said to have a beginning, in a distinct sense. The Kabbalah grew out of discussions between Jewish holy men concerning the concealed meanings that lie behind the words of the Torah or Pentateuch — the first five books of the Old Testament that in ancient times were attributed to the prophet Moses. These dialogues between rabbis, along with fragments of Jewish lore and Jewish folk tales, make up the bodies of writings known as the Talmud, concerning the laws of God, and the Midrash, concerning Jewish legends and commentaries on scripture. The Kabbalah has its roots in these sources.

    I am not trying to defame the President; the things he has done or is doing, and has done on his own are with him.

    First of all I do not feel I have to defend a person who has lied to my country, who either doesn’t believe or hates my Jesus and who also disrespected the Bible and the US Constitution.

    Given a chance I would tell him about Jesus even if he wouldn’t listen. Bible says be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

    I also would never want to tell a lie about anyone, what I wrote I stand behind.

    Thessalonians 2:3-4 “Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”

    “2008” Obama said: “I believe there are many paths to the same place … can argue, not only are there other ways to reach heaven.

    Also since he has been in office he has made the statement that we are not a Christian nation.

    John 14:6 “ I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

    He isn’t born in my country and he doesn’t love or accept my Jesus and for the first time in the history of my nation someone has said we aren’t a nation of we are being looked down upon. But when this great nation picked up food bills for everyone when they without, today they forget. Not just our tax bill picking up the debt but people sending money with missionaries.

    I tolerate Americans speaking words that look down on many things that have gone on. After all the word says the judging must begin with us. But I am not letting someone unless he changes his ways judge me, nor speak for me.

    I use to travel about 32 weeks out of the year up till about 2 years ago. It was difficult to be in a foreign country and hear other countries speaking about how he said handling us was going to take more time than he thought.

    I am a born again Christian.

    I have two different Rabbi groups that I communicate with; one is in Israel and the other in England. I also have good friends who are Jewish, starting with Jesus.

    Here is another site you may trust more in the number of his name you may trust more Destination Yisra’el

    http://biblesearchers.typepad.com/destination-yisrael/2010/07/torah-codes-predict-and-warn-about-obama-presidency-obama-and-jewish-gematria.html

    If you need more after reviewing this one let me know there are so many I can’t calculate.

    I maybe came across harsh, about the President, as I don’t say he is The anti-christ who goes and sets in Gods seat in the temple but he is a part of the spirit of anti-christ? There are things that remain to be seen.

    If it wasn’t about the word, I would merely say if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck admittedly then is it a duck? He says he is a Muslim, that = duck to me!

    As for nero and hitler to me, they possessed the forerunner mentality, spirit of the antichrist.

    Any Christian has to know this using only one thing to determine his frame. God gave the property of the Jewish children to them. No matter whom you may as an individual think that you are we both know not one has a right to question God who made it.

    Do I think anyone has the right to divide the Jewish children’s inheritance absolutely not!

    I will say this measure him against the words of the bible. I have watched him take out the head of a corporation and de-thrown heads of two countries. Taking down the CEO of Chrysler was know more his business than going out and pledging 500 billion dollars to the London summit part of the new world order. He acts as a King in my opinion not a President.

    Pattie

    • Hey Pattie,

      Yes, I am a born again, spirit filled christian :)

      Regarding first dove ministries, their beliefs did not influence my decision on the gematria. This came mostly from what Walid shoebat said about it and the fact that other names equal 666.

      I stumbled across Walid Shoebat (can’t remember how at the moment, probably through Marianne) and what he said regarding the verse in Revelation of the Beast made more sense then anything else I have heard.

      I found it interesting that when using the gematria, even the name of Prince Charles of England equals to 666. So then we have all these names out there that are totaling the number 666. You can see how this would cause doubt.

      Regarding Obama, You don’t have to convince me that Obama is bad news. I do agree with everything you said, however, as I stated above, I am thinking now that he may be a bit too obvious to be the actual beast/man of perdition spoken of in the scriptures.

      I will say that my first instinct from the beginning was that he was this person/AC. However, I may have since then convinced myself that he isn’t just based upon logic instead of gut instinct. And I am told that you always go with your first instinct….hmmm

      In fact, and this is documented throughout Marianne’s site, that the night that Obama won the election, the Holy Spirit told me “it has begun”. Marianne and I have been trying to figure that one out for a year now…lol

      It is important to note that prior to his election, I had been in a horse accident with head trauma and was recovering from this as well as amnesia, so I say this to confirm that I was not influenced by media prior to the election. In fact, the time surrounding the election is probably one of my fist memories after the accident which was in July 2008 and this is because of what the Holy Spirit said-you don’t forget that :)

      Now, the Holy Spirit did NOT say that Obama was the AC-this was, however, my impression/first instinct; all that He said was “it has begun”. So…..what began in 2008 the night that Obama took office? That is the million dollar question :)

      Time will most certainly reveal the truth and for the past 3 years, it sure isn’t lookin too good for Obummer.

      He obviously has the anti-christ spirit, no doubt. I read recently that he is now coming clean with his muslim faith (surprise surprise-who knew-lol).

      So I am certainly not arguing with you or even debating for that matter what you feel and say regarding Obummer-I used to refer to him as an idiot most often on this site…lol

      I have since then become more cautious and more conservative in stating my opinion. Most assuredly, for whether or not he is “the one”, he and “his government” are most certainly dangerous and the time is very soon approaching that it will simply not be safe to express ones opinions.

      *if you want to email me, let marianne know

      • @pattie,

        This is walid shoebat. He states that chi xi stigma is arabic-not greek. And that Gematria was used as a form of witchcraft and that G-d would have nothing to do with that…very interesting :)

  26. Lyndsey;

    See if you don’t agree with what I said above after your review?

    Revelation 13:17 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear)
    καὶ ἵνα μή τις δύνηται ἀγοράσαι ἢ πωλῆσαι εἰ μὴ ὁ ἔχων τὸ χάραγμα τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ θηρίου ἢ τὸν ἀριθμὸν τοῦ ὀνόματος αὐτοῦ.
    KJV with Strong’s

    And that no man might buy or sell save he that had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.

    Revelation 13:18 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear)
    Ὧδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν, ὁ ἔχων νοῦν ψηφισάτω τὸν ἀριθμὸν τοῦ θηρίου, ἀριθμὸς γὰρ ἀνθρώπου ἐστιν, καὶ ὁ ἀριθμὸς αὐτοῦ ἑξακόσιοι ἑξήκοντα ἑξ.
    KJV with Strong’s

    Here is wisdom Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast for it is the number of a man and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    Note: Here is the actual breakdown Greek to English and the Strongs Concordance. I was taught to know the words are actual and best translation us the KJV Bible.

    I think you will agree I find no cresent, swords or anything relating to his comments or the words he transcribed on the board? Are those his thoughts?

    Greek Transliteration Strings English

    Ψηφισάτω psēphisatō 55585V-AAM-3s Let him
    Calculate

    ἀριθμὸν arithmon 706N-ASM Number

    τοῦ tou 3588T-GSN of the

    θηρίου thēriou 2342N-GSN beast

    Where is the tape with the comments on Kabbalah?

    Also for edification according to the Wickapedia; Gematria or gimatria (Hebrew: גימטריה‎, gēmaṭriyā) is a system of assigning numerical value to a word or phrase, in the belief that words or phrases with identical numerical values bear some relation to each other, or bear some relation to the number itself as it may applied to a person.

    The thing we know is God is not the author of confusion. He knew we could calculate the number or he would not have said so.
    Let every man be a liar but let the word of God be true.

    We both know God watches over his word after Constantine changed Water Baptism in 325AD at the Nicea Council and murdered many saints the Lord made away for the word to be translated into English and kept. The KJV Bible still has the translation for
    Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Regarding the comment about the English monarchy and Prince Charles his coat of arms says he is part of the antichrist.
    I heard his name came up also as a part of the antichrist.
    I can only say it has to be as B.H.O. by spirit with economic interplay of the antichrist. We know it is a figure of one for religion and another part for the failure of the worlds economic groups. When you look at the body described you know from the many animal parts described that it is a group council not one nation but one world economic system.

    I just barely going through to provide you a more conclusive response found information from a Jewish site I am not familiar with, nor have I read this information from the two Rabbi groups I correspond with regarding questions.

    They said the latest information they have shows what they believe the USA is Gog of Magog, it seemed to be pointing something to do with our current leader and something else that happened and that is about all I know.

    The Jewish Rabbi out of England said there were something’s they were still transcribing that would lead them to believe that we the USA maybe the attacking nation against them. I haven’t caught up on last weeks emails and don’t know if there is more news out of there. I am not clear as to the information origin; is it the old Jewish sages book of Kabbalah or is it Torah?

    The group out of Israel seemed to be pointing to information in the Old Testament text to do with Elijah.

    As I said I really didn’t get a chance to review it and I haven’t had a chance to read updates from the Rabbi group out of Israel or England. It said something like it proved the North Country was the USA and that we will start the war. If this is true then it may point to why the wings aren’t on the beast in Revelations but are in Daniel. It speaks of Gog being plucked up from the ground.

    I know the Rabbi’s in England who have been doing all of the work on the ten tribes and where they are located.

    When I find more I will pass it on I need to digest it.

    Lyndsey may God bless you and keep you in all of his ways, may he
    make his face to shine upon you with his shekinah glory.

    Pattie

    I felt you were saved and Holy Ghost filled. I take my faith and the word of God very seriously. My Daddy was an Apostolic
    Pentecostal Minister. I grew up in a very strict spirit filled home. When I was young and rebellious I had no idea how much our Daddy loved the Father and us. I hope this statement helps you to understand something about me.

    As far as your being hurt I had no idea. I know people said welcome back to you. God keeps his whose mind is stayed upon him. I pray that all of your healing has come.

    So many of Gods children have under gone things we never thought we would have experienced. I think you could say we were sifted but praise God; His love puts an end to all things of evil if we just stand on his word and trust in him.

    • Thank you Pattie :) That is a huge compliment in that you “felt” that I was Holy Ghost filled. Kinda off topic, I met a lady and her son today and knew they were as well…I get goosebumps thinking of the times I have met spirit filled believers and just “knew”. I guess it would make sense being that the Holy Spirit knows who He is and Who is residing in. LOL

      Regarding the above verses in greek (let me say wow-first time I have seen the actual writings, thank you), I noticed this: ἑξ this looks like what Walid was writing on the board, but I didn’t see the swords….

      I have to say that I am not that well versed with gematria or kabbalah. I have only heard in passing that they are bad. I try to keep an open mind and try to learn thru observation before making a committed judgement.

      Regarding your friends/Rabbis in England and Israel, would love to be updated on what you learn.

      Regarding Prince Charles, I thought it was very interesting when I read that upon his coronation, his mother, Queen Elizabeth, stated the following to her son Prince Charles :”This dragon gives you your power, your throne and your own authority.”

      …”At his coronation (investiture as Prince of Wales) in 1969, he sat on a chair with a large red dragon emblazoned on it. During the ceremony, his mother Queen Elizabeth II said, “This dragon gives you your power, your throne and your own authority.” His response to her was, “I am now your Liege-man, and worthy of your earthly worship.” Liege is an old English word meaning “Lord”. “I am now your Lord-man, and worthy of your earthly worship.” Another reference to the red dragon is in Revelations 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Prince Charles is the ONLY person in the world to whom “And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority” can literally be applied to!”

      http://www.freewebs.com/princecharlesrevelations/charlestheantichrist.htm

      That was bizarre to say the least. I have to wonder if she knew where this saying came from and if she did, why in the world would she speak it over her son!! Creepy!

      And notice that seven crowns are given…wonder if Prince Charles has authority over 7 nations? 7 areas of something….

      Further, Prince Charles also had a statue built of him with wings with people beneath him looking up as if he were their saviour…yuck.

      Then I came across a video which claims that Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Cheney AND OBAMA are all blood related to the royal family. This actually made it on a news channel!

      It is mostly 8th or 9th cousins but BLOOD related all the same. So what part/role is being played by each person has yet to be revealed and IF true, then I suppose you could say that we are indirectly being led/controlled by none other then the Throne of England…the one which the “dragon gives you your power, your throne and your own authority”.

      So is Obama THE AC or is he a pawn/puppet/precursor???

      Obama is muslim. Last year I read that Prince Charles converted to Islam. I have also read that he is related to the “vampire” guy…”It is believed that Queen Mary, consort of George V was related to the 15th Century slayer prince Vlad the Impaler who inspired Bram Stoker’s Dracula.

      And it is known that porphyria, an iron deficiency, which is thought to lie behind the vampire myth, has run in the Royal Family. ”

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/208045.stm

      So the plot is thickening Pattie! Almost like a poorly made horror movie! G-d help us, literally!!! ;)

  27. Marianne,

    You did not answer me regarding the question of cities that China has developed and is developing that are empty waiting for what?

    Have we found out any other parties who can validate that we have truly given eniment domain to china

    My husband served the US miltary 3 rounds or ups whatever you call during the Vietnam war error. He is so upset, he said everyone needs to go to Washington about this issue.

    Is there any other word about the flag being flown at the white house and when it is planned?

    Here is a Clinton China brief. What are they really saying?
    http://www.peopleforum.cn/viewthread.php?tid=74497

    Pattie

  28. Marianne

    I have been all over the place looking for information on China flag flying at the White house. The Last info I found was in 9-2009 and nothing newer. Can you give me some in site on the information?

    Pattie

  29. Marianne,

    The recent I ask is my husband ask me again if there is still confusion over the trade zone areas. They pay for those area in
    the duties of taxes as the things they manufactured are released for sell.

    If it is trade zone property where they are putting people to work
    and they are paying for the use of the property in taxes? Then we have no right complain this is the way this process is handled through out the world. Think about it you want to have
    everyone who is foreign identified to all kinsmen in the nation they are acting or working in. It actually causes people of the native area to pay more attention.

    But if it is true that they are flying flags over the White house or have been given permission to do so it is an issue.

    I am use to the trade zone thing as we have audited within many of them as USA auditors for quality.

    All of the cases I am aware every foreign nation has been paying for the the buildings and lands, taxes and salaries for the production processes.

    The thing I am talking about is where some reporters are making statements that China has built new cities and no one is occupying the dwellings. The facilities are setting empty?

    Pattie

    • hi Pattie,

      As you say, normal expectations are that those in free trade zones have to pay for the use of the land. We do in China.

      However, it may be that we owe so much to China that they pay no fees here in the USA.

      but this would have to be verified.

      I am not aware of new empty cities just for the Chinese inside America.

      My impression is that they would control the commerce of existing American cities, and make a profit from them.

      This is happening in Los Angeles.

      I am not aware of any place else.

  30. Lyndsey,

    You have to remember regarding Kabbalah, the bad one they are referring to is quaballa! Quaballa is a book of witchcraft but
    they are pronounced the same.

    Prince Charles, yes I saw his crest and information and understand there are video’s I think that show the actual coronation. Did you see his coronation or the video?

    Let us see regarding 7 crowns under the new world order. There is a new Europe under a different name then EU and England is the head of it. I don’t remember the acronym. Rev. 17:12 also says there will be 10 kings who are given kingdoms for one hour at the end and their authority will be in conjunction with the kingdom.

    (Revelation 17:12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will; receive authority as kings along with the beast.

    The New World Order, you know has already divided up the lands the way they want control of the nations to be. The whole world knows much of this information but the American people, sad to say.

    So the new Europe will be Prince Charles it seems, #8 someone over the USA, Mexico and Canada, #9 All of Islam, Japan, N-S Korea, Russia, and China #10 the remainder. This may not be the exact lineup but it is close. Look at the beast. It has been a while since I looked at it.

    I am more concerned with the Rabbi’s coming back and saying that Magog is Russia but that Gog is the USA. Also the bible verse that says her wings was lifted off. I haven’t had a chance to research it today. I need to look at the study Marianne did on Gog revisited, we came to the conclusion that there would be two wars. The Rabbi’s agree with the wars.

    Regarding the Hebrew Gematria and two letters you think you identify as the three letters he thinks identifies:

    “Here is wisdom Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast for it is the number of a man and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

    The smallest amount of letters totals 3 for the word “of the” and then beast which is 6 letters.

    I don’t see how it is possible that he knows what he is talking about? I will say this the letters he shows are a part of “Kabb alah”. Is he trying to say the back half makes it allah?

    Do you know how old the Muslim faith is? What I find is it was established in 632. So what does that mean? Was Allah taken from the Jews during a time of bondage?

    The statement of Revelations 17:12 tells you that there are 10 who have the spirit of antichrist besides the antichrist.

    One of two of the biggest dividing or confusing issues is, in one place the Bible speaks of the Eagle being bad for Israel.
    The second is which one of the children of Jacob was given the blessing first. The group in England thinks that the son Ephraim is mainly in England and Manasseh is the USA?

    This is part of the confusion with the person who would come and be the aggressor in the war against Israel would have to be of Jewish birth or linage based on the verbiage of the Torah.

    I don’t know how familiar you are with the layout of the Torah over the Bible but it isn’t the same and therefore the layout some times could bring one to a different conclusion.

    They say the Torah give way for either the eagle to be a blessing to the Jewish people and or to be an evil destructor to them.

    It might be because we have always been the protector of our Jewish sisters and brothers through Jesus Christ. But now we are being lead by a Muslim who doesn’t believe in the God of our people.

    We the USA are a prince from the Lion and Lioness and, so is England.

    I am going to take more time this weekend to try and understand about the nation that her wings were lifted up off of her and she stood up like a man and was given a head? Or something I have to look up the scripture but I think it helps to unravel.

    I haven’t heard from the other group and I still want to hear what this one Dr. had to say on his research out of Israel also.
    So I will let you know. Obviously Marianne knows the import ants of Gog and Magog. Some times we think things are finished and another peace of history starts to reveal itself.

    The relation of Bush Sr., Jr. and Obama is way more. Every presidential election in America, since and including George Washington in 1789 to Bill Clinton, has been won by the candidate with the most British and French royal genes.

    Of the 42 presidents to Clinton, 33 have been related to two people: Alfred the Great, King of England, and Charlemagne, the most famous monarch of France. So it going on: 19 of them are related to England’s Edward III, who has 2000 blood connections to Prince Charles. The same goes with the banking families in America. George Bush and Barbara Bush are from the same bloodline – the Pierce bloodline, which changed its name from Percy, when it crossed the Atlantic. (This explains how such crooked things happened and the people of our nation had their homes stolen by those who think they
    Are of royalty but I think they don’t realize the real royalty is Gods Children. I believe those who were involved in the intentional foreclosures to steal money from America for whatever they are funding will be judged of them if they are even allowed at the judgment bar. God forgive me if I am wrong!)

    Percy is one of the aristocratic families of Britain, to this day. They claim that President Obama is related to all of them all the way back to Lincoln, I think. A little girl in the seventh grade did a study on President Obama with her Grandfather for a class project. They proved that he was related to all other Presidents but Martin Van Buren.

    Hope this helps. We just have to keep working it until we are satisfied that we have answered all of the questions that are important.

    God Bless Pattie

    • I am still in shock over the bloodlines….wow….what in the world are we dealing with is all I can think of at this moment and the fact that anyone would claim Obama as a relative-I would’ve definitely put that one under top secret! laughing…

      • Dick Chaney’s wife actually wrote a book constructng her husband’s ancestry shortly after (or just before) the end of the Bush Administration. Chaney and Obama ARE related, 7th cousins or something.

  31. Marianne,

    The enemy may not want us to understand, so let us pray about China.

    I am saying he doesn’t want us to understand because the empty cities are in the country of “China”. I hope I make myself clear this time.

    I got up early this morning to take a look at the Arkansas earthquake issues and the New Madrid Fault information.

    Instead what was staring me in the face was about the pole shift. It has already shifted 10 degrees right of 360 degrees?

    So when it is over will North America be North Amreica or will be be North of Israel which to me as a Christian has my most focus and attention today.

    Is it possible that our nation is the one spoken of as Babylon?
    Does God punish a nation of people for its government?

    The seven planet line-up is on the 15th of March-2011.

    Does these scripture have anything to do with the seven planet line up?

    Luke 21:25-27 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. (26) People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. (27) At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

    The thing they say is going to happen doesn’t seem it can happen until the time mentioned above occurs or am I wrong?

    Well the word says when you have done all you know to do just stand and see the salvation of God.

    If I didn’t love and know that the Lord loves us and if I didn’t believe in his word I think I might have past out by now.

    They say many of the baby poiposes in Mississippi and Florida are dead, millions of dead jelly fish on the Florida beaches of our nation, why?

    Are the empty cities in China, a place they also plan on sending innocent people like they did with the halocast? Does anyone else feel like the government isn’t being honest with us?

    This pole shift thing they say they aren’t telling because there isn’t enough under ground bunkers. I don’t have a higher education in astronomy, does anyone know if these things being said are theories of if these planet issues are really happening.
    This line up is suppose cause some rock to come to earth. I don’t know where but it doesn’t sound good unless it is my sweet Rock Jesus Christ.

    You can now after Chemtrail spraying take a metal detector and take it over the ground and it beeps saying there are metals, what does this mean?

    When the doctors said I had leukemia and I trusted God for healing and he healed me. I went for some natural therapy to remove metals out of my body these things are not good for us, why would our government be spraying it in the air?

    Everything that goes into the air has to at some point come down somewhere, like the water, the ground, on childrens playgrounds on the animals and on the crops?

    Does our own government not love us? It can’t be one mad man, wouldn’t people speak out? I wonder when Hitler went crazy and killed all of Gods children did anyone working for him have a sense of morality or a fear of God?

    Well God keeps his promises and his covenants, so if the shaken can’t come until he takes the ready ones home. Then we should pray for those who will be left that they will not fail by taking the mark of the beast.

    I have lots of loved ones who aren’t ready, I worry for myself for I didn’t always serve the Lord or spend my nights and days focusing on him and his word. We all know the worry comes from one place the pits of Hell, so we send it back by casting it down.

    I am grateful that I have his promise that he is faithful to forgive those who repent and acknowledge he is Lord and savior, the living lamb of God. We are so lucky compare our faith to that of a Jew in the Old Testament, its ritualistic issues are a lot to comprehend. We just have to fall on our knees and cry out to him and confess, he will send the holy ghost who then takes over to lead and guide us if we will listen.

    Any comments about the rock headed for earth, the seven planet lineup and pole shift, or the new empty cities in china, or the chemtrail chemicals and naturally most of all Luke 21:25-27 please respond.

    Because Gog and Magog aren’t going to get attention until I understand why God brought these things to my attention today?

    Marianne is God impressing you about any of these issues, can you weigh in?

    Pattie

    • hi Pattie

      Luke 21 refers to after the tribulation. Since we have less than 2 weeks, I do not think that scripture can be about March 15th.

      When you mentioned empty cities, I thought you were referring to America.

      Whole empty cities would be on the news.

      And I do not think the Chinese would want to transport millions of people back to China. Why ? What good would that do? It would be easier to shoot us here.

      The pole shift may cause an earth shaking, which is a warning. But i think we will all still be here on March 16th, and March 30th also.

      If God killed everyone with the pole shift, there would be no need for a tribulation period.

  32. Marianne

    The empty cities in china;

    http://everestlancaster.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/cain-built-a-city-in-china-its-empty/

    also if you check on the internet you will find where we started reporting this fact back in 2009. I don’t know unless the plan was to turn the brains into slaves for them? I don’t know, I hoped you knew.

    As I said that is what I believe that it is after the tribulation but some of them seem to act like that is what
    is getting ready to happen with the poleshift.

    I went to Nasa for some information and they said the pole shift is going to be nothing and the man who is stirring it up should be locked up.

    I am sorry I had a problem focusing on Saturday as when I got up I looked like someone poured acid down my neck and my back. The enemy of Gods children is wicked, so if it was time to go home I would not complain.

    I am greatful we serve a good God who loves us, all he has to do is come along and smile upon us with his glory and it takes away our sorrow and pain.

    pattie

    • interesting ghost cities……maybe once they take over the USA…all their people will be rich, and they will move into the new cities…

  33. Marianne,

    I don’t know it is crazy? How can they have money to build these cities? Did you look at it? I just want to sure you don’t think I am completely crazy.

    I wills say this the cities are beautiful as you say, it makes no sense?

    On the flag issues, China was here in the USA visiting during the week of Jan.18-2011. When we have guest in the country for meetings and such we fly their flags.

    Is what you are speaking of more then during the visits when they are here?

    Pattie

  34. 9 March 2011 Last updated at 12:21 ET

    Obama names Gary Locke new US ambassador to China

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12672260

  35. Hi, this will make you feel a LOT warmer and fuzzier: http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/11/obama-gee-it-would-be-easier-to-be-president-of-china/

  36. Wanted to let you know that I love your site (TRUE don’t spam me!) I bookmarked your site and added your site to my fav’s in WordPress. I have worked a lot today for the tsunami and mess going on today. To follow me on Twitter, please do so at http://twitter.com/JohannaWhyte.

    I am thinking it is time for the 54-day Novena. Or any novena. Or any penance prayers. This is crazy!

  37. Watch these two men talk about who owes who and how much and how are the broke nations gonna bail out the broke nations who owe them money but they are broke too so…too funny!

  38. I think God showed me a vision in a dream about China. It followed the same pattern as other dreams. right before I wake up, like someone turned the channel. It was of Chinese men, one at a desk just sneering at me with evil eyes. next scene was a different chinese man standing and before he walked out of the door, turned and looked at me with a sneer and evil in his eyes too. I woke up. A few days later on the Glenn Beck show, he spoke of how China owned much of our countries debt and then i heard of how they are buying some state’s in the US. God shows me and then confirms it. Darlene

  39. Hi Darling,

    Most Chinese anywhere in the world are peaceful and fruitfull like Yosef, many fact shows that. Government and People are two different things.. I’m quite sure you could differentiate about that ?. Are you sure that sneering man was chinese in your dream? or just what you would want them to be ?

    As for G-d.. He speaks to me too from time to time. In dreams, half wake dream-visions, scripture revelations.. but why He never mentioned about you to me ?

  40. It has long been thought of, or believed, that if you owed someone a favor, if you owed money on a loan, that person or corporation owns you – i.e. B of A really owns your house if you are buying with a loan from them, until the loan is paid. China has loaned the US money, or bought bonds, but then again, we too have leant them money. The lobbyist own Congress, and on and on. For all I know the IMF owns all of us, atleast owns all the “things” we think we “have”. Or maybe it is the group that meets once a year, the Bohemian Grove near the Russian River, only the elite, wealthy, owners of large corp’s are allowed in. Maybe they make all the decisions about who the Eurozone will bail out, which trade agreements will be honored, who will win the next election, and on and on. Most people do not know that the Federal Reserve Bank that sets the borrowing rates, they are not any part of our government but a private group of bankers who sets the tone for our money, its worth, it is not part of the US government and no the people may not see their records or who exactly sits on this board. I think many of us are like puppets on a string. Its just that in the end, even those who think they are the ones pulling the strings have strings tied to themselves that are being pulled — all by our Beloved Master. It’s all a big play. So, if China owns the US, once the Native Americans occupied the land, but we took it from them, chopped it up into reservations, smaller and smaller (especially if gold or something valuable was found on the land.) All we can do is our best at is what is in front of us, ourselves, our family, our neighbors, honor our Lord our God, pray for right wisdom in knowing the next thing to do. Funny how this subject has come up 2 years later after it originally surfaced here. But, it is late, and I babble too much at times. Blessings to all.

  41. Meanwhile, this week Obama zionist puppet masters decided to park US military in Australia “permanently”.

    The same Zionists like Kissinger that helped create China in the first place.

    Puppet Bill Clinton gave China their first US deep sea ports and super computers.

    Reap what you sow.

  42. what do you mean our country is due to crash next year? Can you give me a full description of that with biblical facts?

    • dear Jay

      It is an Illuminati plan to replace the dollar with global currency.

      the bible says at some point we will not be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast. well, the mark and the beast is here.

      You can look up this dollar failure and economic collapse on google.

  43. New post on Emergency Management & Continuity Planning

    Bird Flu in News: Killing Seals Off the New England Coast & Biomedical Research About To Be Released – Please No Written Details – Yikes!
    by Regina Phelps EMS Solutions

    The Internet is abuzz with the latest news on bird flu…turns out a government advisory board is asking scientific journals not to publish details of certain biomedical experiments, for fear that the information could be used by terrorists to create deadly viruses and touch off epidemics. DUH?!?!

    Here is the scoop….The U.S. government paid scientists to figure out how the deadly bird flu virus might mutate to become a bigger threat to people and two labs (in the United States and the Netherlands) succeeded in creating new strains that are easier to spread. On Tuesday, federal officials took the unprecedented step of asking those scientists not to publicize all the details of how they did it. The worry: That this research with lots of potential to help the public might also be hijacked by would-be bioterrorists. The labs found that it appears easier than scientists had thought for the so-called H5N1 bird flu to evolve in a way that lets it spread easily between at least some mammals.

    The virus, A(H5N1), causes bird flu, which rarely infects people but has an extraordinarily high death rate when it does. Since the virus was first detected in 1997, about 600 people have contracted it, and more than half have died. Nearly all have caught it from birds, and most cases have been in Asia. Scientists have watched the virus, worrying that if it developed the ability to spread easily from person to person, it could create one of the deadliest pandemics ever.

    A government advisory panel, the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity, overseen by the National Institutes of Health, has asked two journals, Science and Nature, to keep certain details out of reports that they intend to publish on the research. The panel said conclusions should be published, but not “experimental details and mutation data that would enable replication of the experiments.”

    Seems reasonable wouldn’t you say?!?!? However, scientists and journal editors are generally adamant about protecting the free flow of ideas and information, and ready to fight anything that hints at censorship.

    Then in a totally different set of events, The death of 162 seals that washed up along the New England coast this year could be linked to a virus similar to one found in birds. Since Sept. 1, officials have been investigating the unusual occurrence, saying they are still collecting data, testing and continuing research. The dead harbor seals were collected along Maine, New Hampshire and Massachusetts coasts by the New England Aquarium.

    “This H3N8 virus is usually associated with wild birds, and a separate group of H3N8 infects horses and dogs,” said Dr. Hon Ip, of the USGS’s National Wildlife Health Center. “This is the first time that a virus which is similar to the H3N8 avian influenza virus has been associated with a large scale mortality in marine mammals.”

    The influenza A virus subtype has never before been seen in harbor seals. Officials said it caused the death of at least five of the 162 animals that washed up on New England shores this year. Experts believe that influenza A virus caused a bacterial pneumonia which was responsible for the death of the seals.

    In most cases in the past where land animals were infected with the H3N8 virus and suffered upper respiratory infections, they recovered. This is the first time it has been seen in harbor seals.

    Yikes!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/21/health/fearing-terrorism-us-asks-journals-to-censor-articles-on-virus.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

    http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111221/GJNEWS_01/712219947/-1/fosnews

    http://www.promedmail.org/

  44. Yes, Marianne, it is. It is every disheartening (disturbing) to think that we do this stuff to ourselves, or that our government does. They still aren’t telling the truth about what exactly was released in the government labs during Katrina. We will never really know. Now they are “experimenting” to find out how the bird flu might mutate and they successfully did it? Do they not think that someone just might leak it? For money? We are playing loose and deadly when we all should be kneeling before our Almighty, giving thanks for our time here, and asking how we can best serve.

  45. Just an FYI, “emminent domain” isn’t just about the government seizing land / property – the “government” also aligns itself with large corporations to take over personal, individually owned property for a corporate stake. I lived through this in San Diego. The City of San Diego allowed a corporation to seize 11 properties, a combination of small businesses and homes that people had been in for over 30 years. They kicked people out, businesses had to close, all to build a high rise condo complex with new businesses on the bottom floor. Then in 2007 the bubble burst. Now these seized properties sit boarded up, personal businesses crushed and closed, personal homes evicted. What a sham and a shame.

  46. […] China given eminent domain over USA? […]

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