Different levels of faith – where are you?

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There are different levels of faith during spiritual growth.  Each one has a test….and with each successive higher level, there is less support from God….Finally God does nothing for us at all, and we suffer and lose the battle…..but do we still love him?  Do we still trust in him?

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There are various levels of faith:

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1. Weak Faith – Everyone begins here. Weak faith considers circumstances. It constantly limits God and His benefits. Wrong teachings are an influence here. It cannot see the Spirit, the power of God, or that God can do all things.

2. Temporary Faith – As we grow stronger, we receive the Word of God for awhile, and believe, but then fail when tests come. (Luke 8:15)

3. Active Faith – Faith without works is dead (James 2:14-26) We need to do more than just believe, since even the demons believe and tremble. The apostles acted on their faith, preached the gospel, and did good works.

4. Strong faith – This is a faith that staggers not at God’s promises. One refuses defeat, and will not take no for an answer. The person speaks out loud to the devil, rebuking him, and releases God into action.

5. Great Faith – has a great expectation, that just hearing the word is enough for the request to be granted. As in the centurion, who said “you only need to speak the word, and my servant will be healed.” He did not even ask Jesus to come. His words were enough. (Matt 8:10)

6. Unfeigned faith –(genuine) – It knows no hypocrisy. It does not brag or put on a show. (2 Tim 1:5) Very childlike, trusting and innocent, and is well founded in the Word of God.

7. Perfect (divine) faith – Absolute confidence in God’s own Word and Being.

This will be tested with fiery trials.

While other levels of faith receive some support, and encouragement from God, this level takes what is learned from earlier levels, and endures to the end without apparent support.

Tribulation will come. Suffering will come.

Good works continue, in spite of persecutions.

We no longer care about our own needs. We forget who we are, and only desire to serve His purpose, and have His needs met.

Prayers are spoken, but there is no answer, yet one continues to hold on and believe.

There are wars, and one loses the war.

There is sickness, and there is no healing.

There are problems, and they are never resolved.

One does good, and it is called evil, and is punished for it.

One is faithful, and is betrayed by others.

One is generous, and loses everything.

One is alone, and no one comes to comfort.

One blesses, and is cursed and rejected in return.

One calls out to God, and does not receive an answer. One feels abandoned.

You are afflicted, but there is no deliverance.

Where are the promises, and the answers we have been waiting for?

But will that person respond by abandoning God?

This is the level of “the cross.”

There is no reward in this life at this point. Suffering seems to be around every corner. Will we endure to the end? Will we be faithful, without helps, and rewards, and interventions from God?

This is the point where we could lose our lives for the gospel.

Are we ready? Will we die for Him?

Is our love enough? Is our faith great enough? Have we died to ourselves yet, where HE is the only One that matters any more?

Have we forgotten who we are yet, and can only think of Him?

The faith God is looking for is NOT the faith that comes, because he helped us, or rewarded us, to encourage us.

The faith he is looking for is the faith that continues to trust and love, when God has seemed to turn away, and there is NO reward coming at all.


22 Responses to “Different levels of faith – where are you?”

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  2. Wow! You nailed that one good for sure,we must Trust Him in All things.
    Love in Christ

  3. hi pttyann

    Hey, great to have you here.!!

    blessings
    marianne

  4. This seems to be the way it is, Marianne. The warm fuzzies we so enjoyed earlier in our walk no longer occur. We learn that love is not a feeling, but is how we carry on under these later circumstances. It becomes a walk without any encouragement, with only what we learned about Him in our earlier walk to carry us onward. And we don’t even know what “onward” is.

    We find ourselves unwelcomed by those still in the early stages of gaining faith. We seldom find another with whom we can talk openly, for they do not want to know the hard facts. While I have found a few who know these things, they are distant from me, so there is absolutely no face-to-face fellowship. It is a very lonely walk, and the still small voice of the enemy has much to say to try to turn us away from following a seemingly distant God. It becomes a constant battle in the mind to not be convinced we are not loved by our God.

    I suspect many are coming into this place, and the word must be got out for them to understand this is normal. This, so they don’t have to spend much time wondering if they have been abandoned by God. …DavWms

  5. Hi David,

    I once had a thought when I was about 17 years old. I had just read the book of revelation. I decided that if a person really went through a terrible tribulation in their life, that they would not have to experience the Great Tribulation to come. After a lifetime later, I still believe this.

    Level 7 above is the only way to achieve this. We all need to get to this level of experience, not for our own glory, but for our own spiritual survival.

    blessings
    marianne

  6. that was great encouragment! u are a great preacher.

  7. Marianne: i thought i rated in another category, but apparently not, i rate in number 7. With some missing of course! But nice to know that i made it!!!

    thanks for this!

  8. Hi Ani

    Welcome to the twilight zone (level 7). It feels like that sometimes, since everything keeps going wrong, and the divine purpose may be hidden from us.

    blessings
    marianne

  9. I am not yet at “the highest” Level, maybe 3 or 4 (?)..
    Why does Yahweh not anymore speak to one at Level 7?
    Why do you loose this such important connection than?
    That is so sad!!

  10. Hi Silvanus,

    I think what you said applies to most people. Remember Jesus was a “7.” WHen he hung on the cross, he felt abandoned by the Father God. The connection was there, but it was unspoken, and the evidence looked the opposite from what was true. Yahweh did not speak to Jesus while he was on the cross.

    But, at the point of total desolation, pain and agony, with NO deliverance from the cross, Jesus was at his closest point to heaven. Jesus said to pick up our cross and follow him.

    When we have completely abandoned this world, to follow Jesus, and obey God, then we will feel the pain of this world hurting us, but we have reached heaven with our sacrifice of self. Yahweh may or may not speak, but he is close to us.

    blessings
    marianne

  11. Is faith in the unseen illogical and unscientific?

    • perfecionist gal

      Faith is the evidence of things not seen. It proves itself. This may seem illogical and unscientific to some, but when it proves itself, then it is logical.

      • After all there is no difficulty in our understanding the nature even without the unification of these forces. When it goes by a definition “faith”, it’s arguably illogical and it’s definitely unscientific.

        • Faith is not supposed to be blind and illogical. If you know someone for a long time, and they are good to you, you have faith in that person. So if they tell you a story, you trust them, and believe them, because they have always been trustworthy before. This is logical.

          If someone you do not know tells you a story, you do not know if they are telling the truth, because you have no history with them. You do not know if they are an honest person or not. So, if you trusted them, it would be blind faith, and this wold be illogical, because you have no reason to believe them to be true.

          It is the same way with God. He has always been honest and true. He keeps his promises. He is good to us and blesses us. He never lies. So, to believe him when he tells you something is logical, because you know him to be true.

          • Well, I don’t know where to find the answer since it’s
            the bottom of the question. But I think it’s still a
            valid way of knowing. Knowledge based on faith beliefs
            cannot be “proved” scientifically or logically.
            Some people rely on faith more than others to “know”
            things and some people disregard faith as a
            legitimate way of knowing.

  12. Where are you getting this from? There is no mention of levels of faith in the Bible.

    The Bible does not teach people to rebuke the Devil personally. You are to resist the Devil and he will flee. If you were wise you would state “The Lord Rebuke You” and not of your own accord.

    James 4:7,8 NIV
    Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

    Jude 1:8-10 NIV
    In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. 9But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.

    If you read the Psalms they don’t jive with what you are teaching here.

    I would say from experience that as you mature as a Christian you should feel closer to God in spite of your circumstances. There are good times and bad times. To say that God stops delivering you at some point is false.

    For a good look at suffering and faith read the book of Job.

    Also, consider the life of Paul in the New Testament.

    Psalm 34:17 NIV
    The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears them;
    he delivers them from all their troubles.

    Psalm 34:19 NIV
    A righteous man may have many troubles,
    but the LORD delivers him from them all;

    Psalm 37:39,40 NIV
    The salvation of the righteous comes from the LORD;
    he is their stronghold in time of trouble.

    40 The LORD helps them and delivers them;
    he delivers them from the wicked and saves them,
    because they take refuge in him.

    Psalm 97:10 NIV
    Let those who love the LORD hate evil,
    for he guards the lives of his faithful ones
    and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

    2 Timothy 3:10-13 NIV
    You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

    2 Corinthians 12:9,10 NIV
    But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

    • Hi Contender,

      Jesus commanded us to cast out devils in his name. SO we have the authority to do this, if we just obey and have faith.

      This post came from some notes of a lecture I attended. The parable of the sower who sowed into different types of ground, representing different levels of faith, had different results.

  13. http://www.goodnewsdispatch.org/erwin.html
    This seems like the best thread to post Gayle Erwins’ Web Site.
    He may not be the most dynamic speaker but he makes some very excellent points!
    Grace and peace,
    Chris

  14. I think I have been through 1-7 and now I am back to 0 starting over.I am sort of mad God right now, I cant help it, it’s just how I feel. The battles I have been through have been so intense and severe the only thing I had to hold on was the promise and now I dont see it anytime soon, I am just existing with all these needs not being met. Humans cant go around with out there needs not met forever they will eventually lose their minds, go insane or something. Sometimes I feel like God tricks us to do his will.I have no choice but to continue on, but I am not feeling all those lovey dovey things that you say you must feel to have perfect faith, I think that is kind of phoney and nonrealistic.

    • Hi Rachel.

      You are discouraged, but do not give up. You are just getting to the point where you will finally discover that all you need is god. The bible says to seek first the kingdom of God and all these things will be added unto you. Many things that we think we need, we don’t. But since they are needs others have and they get satisfied, we feel left out, and neglected.

      There are dry periods in a believer’s life ….. you will not hear from God…..and you will think your needs are not met…..but what is happening is that you are redefining what needs are really important…..

      you will get through this…we all go through this….there is a light at the end of the tunnel…just know that these dry periods can go on for years…..but something will eventually happen, and it will then be over.

  15. if you have the faith as a mustard seed (very small) you will do the works i do and even greater

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