Freedom of speech is gone
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An 80 year old priest gets arrested for saying murdering a baby is wrong.
There are 2 issues here:
Freedom of speech
Abortion
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The crime:
Father Norman Weslin was practicing of his right to freedom of speech, and did it in a peaceful fashion.
He objected to abortion on religious grounds.
He sang his favorite religious songs.
He was practicing his faith.
He said murdering innocent babies was wrong.
He violated no one’s rights to do what they wanted.
So what is the crime?
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On the flip side, this behavior is legal:
Protestors have the right to scream “F**K Bush, or F**k God in public.
Profanity is permitted now.
People have the right to slander, mock, lie, unfairly ridicule, and abuse their freedom of speech in public now, in order to intentionally harm others.
It is done all the time in Congress, on the Internet, and on TV.
Sexual talk, descriptions of sexual behavior, and immodest behavior is almost daily life now in public media.
There is no censure of this material.
Why are these behaviors permitted, but an 80 year old man cannot defend innocent life in a peaceful way?
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Problem- ????:
What is ironic is that this happened on a private Christian University Campus. Why were the police even there? .
What is more ironic is that a Christian University would allow a pro-death President on its campus, to honor him with a degree he did not earn,
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allow the abuse of one of its elders to be dragged off like a dog to jail for defending innocent life.
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No wonder the unbelievers mock us.
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Here is the real time footage.
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A colleague at Notre Dame makes a comment:
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You forgot that the rest of the world hears on American TV programming “Oh! My God!” every five minutes.
Hi Ron
True, the vocabulary and speech of modern TV stars is really limited, and makes us all look stupid anyhow.
There goes my happy feeling for the day.
That is sick, treating an old man like that.
But, they are preparing us for more. God will rememeber this
peace and love
extra note:
I have looked and could not find any official statement from Notre Dame as to why they abused one of their own priests. The school is silent. The history and comments by bystanders, fellow Catholics, etc. on the web all point to an unfair treatment.
Apparently, having Obama come to Notre Dame to give a commencement speech, when he opposed what the school stood for, created protests from the students, some faculty and other local Catholics. Father Weslin was there also, with others, to pray for the school, and peacefully protest abortion policies of the President. If you just look at him, you can tell that he is just a fragile old man who just prays and sings religious songs.
The peaceful demonstration must have been an embarrassment to the heads of the school, who had invited Obama. So they removed Father Weslin from the property to create a more “welcome” atmosphere for the President. Others were also arrested, including a nun.
Nun also gets arrested for peacefully protesting Obama at the commencement
notre dame position. He was “trespassing” you can hear the cop say this. He is a priest there and he is trespassing on school property?
Trespassing charge- why is a Catholic priest forbidden to come on a Catholic campus?:
http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/emergency-ruling-was-not-directed-at-notre-dame-protesters/
Praying the Rosary and singing in protest of a Catholic University’s awarding an honor to a man, who not only believes abortion is legal – but he voted against providing medical treatment for a fetus that somehow managed to survive the attempt on its life.
A nonviolent Catholic priest, on the grounds of a Catholic University, protesting the most sacred tenet of the Catholic Church, dressed in full habit, was taken to the ground, had his hands forcibly handcuffed behind his back and then was humiliatingly laid out on a blue fabric “stretcher” and hauled away like a piece of meat.
He truly cannot understand why they are arresting him even though he has been arrested many (>50) times, resulting in serious injury. This time, though, he is on what should be home territory – the campus of Notre Dame University. I understand his incredulity. Why should a Catholic priest have to protest against a Catholic University to uphold the Teachings of the Cathp;oic Church?
http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/witness-a-catholic-priest-being-arrested-because-of-barry/
I think this was staged.
Just my thoughts …
As for the freedom of speech …
As long as a person has a tongue he can speak
mind you who will hear him??
Maybe one day they will drive a stake in a person tongue
and crucify it//??
And maybe a stake in the eyes and the ears??
And maybe this is already happening??
abigail
This was not staged. Father Weslin has been in the prolife movement for a long time. See the above “extra note.”
He was protesting abortion at the time Obama was coming to Notre Dame to give a commencement speech. The school leadership removed him to make Obama feel more welcome.
It was staged … Mr. Weslin was just following instructions.
The Catholic Church had to be seen in that light.
Think …
The police too were just following instructions and so was the media.
abigail
Father Weslin has been arrested many other times, in front of abortion clinics. The people of Notre Dame have no control over those situations, so ND did not stage them. Father Weslin is known for his peaceful pro life prayer meetings. What was wrong was for ND to oppose someone who stood for what they represented.
What was wrong with ND University was to honor ….
honor someone who does stand for Abortion rights.
This entire scenario was staged so to cover and excuse the University as to what was being hosted.
In simpler words … the catholic church did not wish to entirely
be seen as an institution who is pro abortion and pro stem
cell research (since the R.C.C. are the ones sponsoring the
scientific research) so they staged this little scenario …
knowing how the public reacts to old men and at other times
young children.
These are my thoughts on this pitiful scene.
whether staged or not, the fact remains that the freedoms we once had as American citizens are slowly and methodically being stripped away…we are basically told “it’s for your own good” and as long as laziness and couch potato mentality prevail, we are in a mess.
There will come a day before long that it won’t be an arrest that we have to contend with for our beliefs, it will be laying our life on the line for WHO we follow, what we believe and what we stand for. GOD have mercy on us all, send the Holy Ghost for repentance on all the land, and wake the sleeping…because time is too short for the arguing and bickering that is going on..we are to be salt and light…are we living in such a way that other’s can even see WHO it is that we follow and serve?
ABIGAIL, DEAREST ONE , EVEN IF IT WERE TO HAVE BEEN STAGED WHICH IS WAS NOT IT STILL WRONG TO STOP FREEDOM OF SPEECH ; WHAT OTHER FREEDOM WILL BE TAKEN AWAY AFTER THAT GOES. MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND GIVE YOU FAVOR ABIGAIL AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER READERS AND OUR BELOVED MARIANNE WHO TRYS HER VERY BEST TO OPEN OUR EYES AND HEARTS EVER MORE TO OUR BELOVED SAVIOR YASHUA MASHIACH AND HIS WORDS SO THAT WE MAY ALL GROW IN HIM AND MATURE AND FOR WHOSOEVER WILL TO COME TO HIS LIGHT ,REPENT OF THEIR SINS AND RECEIVE JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR. SHALOM
Thanks Marianne for posting this one.
Thanks for keeping us informed. This was never in the news that I know of.
This scenario is not the only place where freedom of speech is muffled!
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Hello Marianne: This made me heartsick to see this priest being treated like an animal!
Speaking of the internet … here is another video to consider.
There never was FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
The Constitution of the United States is and has been an Illusion that was never executed as law.
Many of you are still holding tightly onto your own understandings rather than the TRUTH.
Gods chosen have a freedom unlike that of any other peoples.
No one can shut the mouth of the LORD and if he uses you to send a message-even before Satan himself-No one will be able to stop what God will say through your tongue.
This is one reason why REAL Christians will be persecuted.
True! As long as a person has a tongue, I see no reason to keep still.
Why did they have to arrest an 80 yr old man? He looked really harmless to me. I knew that Obama winning was a step in the wrong direction. He says one second that he is a Christian but then says that same sex marriages and abortions are alright in his eyes. There isn’t something right there. I know that I have heard my kids dad say that his family voted for Obama because he is black. Well hello, that is a reason why so many have voted for the man. AND IT WASN’T A GOOD REASON! Now our country is sliding down the hill even faster and it’s getting so steep we won’t be able to get back up. Where did we go wrong? Why is everything that was once believed to be wrong now seeming right? I’m only 25 years old and know that these things are terribly wrong.
We need to value every human life as much as the next. Especially these little babies. I have a 10 week old little girl and I look at her precious face and don’t know what I would do without her. I wonder how anyone could hurt such a wonderful gift from God. Thinking about those children that are born alive and are denied medical care, and are struggling to breathe but cannot. It saddens my heart and makes my whole being ache for this country. We are signing our own death warrant and we don’t even realize it.
Why can’t we hear God crying to us to wake up?
My country was once great, but now it makes me ashamed of my heritage and it makes me sick to think how we’ve all become. WE are the center of our country, not Christ anymore as he once was.
Hi Denise,
Obama is celebrating Ramadan in the White House, so that would make me think he is Muslim, not Christian. But even Muslims would not agree to abortion.
This country has lost the values that made it great. We are in a decline. But this apostasy was predicted as inevitable before the time of tribulation, and may be one reason the tribulation is so horrible.
But, in the meantime, the righteous need to continue on and do as much good as possible. We will be judged on our own behavior, not that of society.
Denise,
Hi hope you are well.
Here are your own words. ‘We need to value every human life as much as the next.’
So are you against war?
Are you against the death penalty?
I am awaiting your reply.
Love,
John
There are various reasons for war, freedom is one example. When I am talking about valuing a human life I am talking about valuing the most vulnerable such as the very young, the unborn, our children who cannot fend for themselves, the elderly who cannot take care of themselves any longer.
Every human life should be valued equally, but throughout all of our lives there are certain things we must go through and not all of them are nice. When it comes to the death penalty, these people, well most of them, do some horrible crimes, Jeffery Dahmer for example raped lots of innocent women and killed them without an ounce of remorse. The Lord gives certain people power to determine what the punishment will be and the death penalty is one. It isn’t always easy to give answers for everything, but when a mother takes an innocent child and violently “MURDERS” that child, that is when we cross the line, when WE think that it is okay and that it is a normal thing. A mother should never take her child’s life, a mother should protect it and to many out there aren’t valuing that gift from God, they see the child as a burden, even though they aren’t. Like I stated every life is precious but now we are harming the most defenseless and not shedding a tear. It makes me sick!
So John that is my reply.
Marianne,
I am pretty sure I had heard President Obama state the he was in fact a Christian. That’s why I had posted that on here because how can you represent a “being” of peace and love and everything that is good (Jesus Christ) and be part of allowing millions of children to be murdered due to partial birth abortion, stem cell research and even allow an aborted baby who has survived to be left to suffocate or even thrown away like garbage because no one wants him/her? Having no regard for a human life is sad and once we take God totally away we set ourselves up for destruction, and that is what we have done with this presidential term. We looked again way to closely at the color of his skin and didn’t listen to any of this man’s values. McCain lost, I believe because of his beliefs, Palin and him made their views very clear on abortion and gay marriages and nobody liked that one bit. Our country is deteroraiting (I’m bad at spelling).
hi denise
I agree with you. Obama said he was a christian, but his life does not give evidence to this. Christian values are now reason to disqualify people from public positions too. Look at all the pro-life judge nominees that were rejected.
Denise,
Hi hope you are well.
No there are easy answers, it is accepting those easy answers that are hard.
Did you know Jeffery Dahmer converted to Christianity before he died?
Freedom comes only from God. The truth shall set us free. John 8:32. What America offers is liberties but even then those liberties are denied to a good number of people. Why did the FBI seek to destroy Martin Luther King, The Black Panthers, The American Indian Movement and Malcolm X. The documentation of these events are unrefuteable if your research them. J Edgar Hoover called the Black Panthers the greatest threat to America. Yet look what they did. The fed children for free, the got disenfranchised people involved in the political process, the published a news paper and decrease violence in their own neighbourhoods. Yet they were a threat? People who carried copies of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights in their back pockets?
Let me leave you with this thought. When a bomb is dropped on a village and blows up families it is an abomination in the sight of God.
God taught us to Love our Enemies and turn the other cheek.
I think back to Wounded Knee where the elderly and babies were bayonetted.
The devil tells many lies, do not be deceived. Follow the example of Jesus, who did no wrong, allowed Himself to be crucified on that cross. And in the midsts of an agony that none will ever comphrehend he looked upon his killers and said, “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.”
“Be not conformed to this world but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.”
Love,
John
PS
John;
Thanks! I am doing much better, getting over pneumonia so still feeling a little crummy.
I believe that I had saw a documentary on Jeffery with my dad where I believe it was James Dobson that had talked with him, maybe I am wrong, but I don’t think I am, so I know that he did convert to Christianity, which was awesome, but he had to pay for what he did to those people and that little girl. You always reap what you sew (again spelling). I believe that the Federal Government sets out to destroy a lot of people who represent Christ. Look at what is happening now. I heard on Glenn Beck about if you are against abortions and against same sex marriages you are basically labeled a terrorist, well I know I heard this around the time of election.
I also do know that only the truth shall set you free, but physically freedom is only obtained through what has happened in the past. When a bomb is dropped upon thousands of innocent men, women and children, it doesn’t make it right, now days there is no real right reason for the wars we have, I guess that it is just how things are starting to go now days, they’re taking for a wrong turn. I don’t know where I am even going with this. I just think that it is horrible how things are in today’s world, it saddens me and scares me to a certain degree for our country as we know it.
Hope all is well with you as well!
Denise,
Hi hope you are well.
I am convinced that if there is a government action it will be against the left. The people who make up the milatary command, the FBI, the CIA, the ATF, the police are on the right. They will not arrest themselves.
No doubt wars will continue until the end. The Bible teaches that. The question is what is a Christian’s role in that.
Love,
John
John,
I’ll tell you what a Christian’s role in that should be. Praying for ALL involved in the conflict of war. When I watch the news, not only do I cry for our men and women over there – but I cry for those people of Afghanistan and Pakistan caught up in the middle of it all as well as their children forced into situations pressured to allow themselves to be indoctrinated into a culture of death. Jesus tells us to watch – keep an eye on these things – and actively pray.
Lisa,
Hi hope you are well.
That is a very good response. However there are more than one culture of death Without a doubt the United States is one as well. Just look at history, and see all the wars we were invovled with. Also see who we sold weapons to. Don’t forget all the covert actions done by the CIA.
A lot of Americans don’t want to admit that America does a lot of evil in the world but that does not change the truth.
Love,
John
Freedom has left us today.
I saw it on the news leave the shores.
The News media were crying ‘National Emergency.’
There was no one there left to hear it.
All had fallen asleep or had been tasered.
All I have left to say is …
Mind the things which are forever.
…. gone.
hi abigail
To think, we voted for all this, or refused to vote against it.
Marianne,
Or worst yet …
To think that I did not ever even got a chance to vote for this at all…
yet my country follows the Amero ways!
And We up here in the north will never have a chance to vote for any of this.
The pacts and agreements are already set in stone.
Ah the Great Ones of our time.
Sad to say this is mild I am sure for what is to come. Prepare for major persecution. But we know who wins the battle. Stand firm till the end!!