Preexistence of the Chosen One

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Belief in a Messiah requires a belief in someone who is “more than human,”  according to biblical prophecy.

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Many think that the “heavenly” nature of the Messiah is just a concept from the New Testament.

But, there are many references to this “heavenly” nature in the Old Testament as well.

I will mention two Books: Enoch and Daniel, which describe a chosen one, a Son of Man in heaven before the throne of God.

While Enoch is not officially in the bible, it is recognized as an ancient text, and has legitimate correlations with the bible on many issues.

The pre-existence of the Messiah in heaven before an earthly appearance is one of them.

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Book of Enoch – part of a hierarchy in heaven

Lord of Spirits.

61.10 And he will call all the Host of the Heavens and all the Holy Ones above, and the Host of the Lord, the Cherubim, and the Seraphim, and the Ophannim, and all the Angels of Power, and all the Angels of the Principalities, and the Chosen One, and the other host that is upon the dry ground, and over the water, on that Day.

52.7 And it will come to pass in those days, that neither by gold, nor by silver, will men save themselves; they will be unable to save themselves, or to flee.

52.8 And there will be neither iron for war nor material for a breastplate; bronze will be no use, and tin will be of no use and will count for nothing, and lead will not be wanted.

52.9 All these will be wiped out and destroyed from the face of the earth when the Chosen One appears in front of the Lord of Spirits.”

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55.4 “You powerful kings who dwell upon the dry ground will be obliged to watch my Chosen One sit down on the throne of My Glory, and judge, in the Name of the Lord of Spirits, Azazel and all his associates and all his hosts.”

The natural question here is what is the Chosen One chosen to do? I would assign this title to the Messiah, who will defeat the forces of evil in the end times.

As ancient as this book is said to be, this would explain how all nations, ahead of the time of the Messiah would have had messianic traditions of a Chosen One, who would come and save them.

The book of Enoch is consistent with the bible on this issue.

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Book of Daniel- the Son of Man who is given a kingdom

Dan 7:13 ¶ I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion [is] an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom [that] which shall not be destroyed.

While we are all “sons of man” this person is described as “like” man, but it is obvious that if he is in heaven before the throne of God, he is more than human.

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Note:

There is only one Chosen One, only one Messiah, that will come before the throne of God, and actually be allowed to SIT on the throne of glory.

No human being will ever be allowed to do this.

For those that do not believe in this, I ask them to at least consider what has been prophesied.

Many unbelievers will consult a psychic, but not the Word of God.

For those who believe Jesus was “just a man,” I point out that these scriptures PRECEDE the time of Christ, and portray the Son of Man in heaven.

So, whether someone believes Jesus is the Messiah or not, it is definitely predicted that the Son of Man pre-exists in heaven before an appearance on earth.

This means he is “more than human.”

Only Jesus has made this claim.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

I strongly encourage those who do not accept Jesus as their personal savior and Messiah to do so.

While some insist that “works” will get them into heaven, I tell them that only through grace and Jesus are we saved, and merit heaven.

Believing Jesus was “just a man” only demotes Jesus from his real position, and rejects what he has to offer because of that position.

No one who is “just a man” can redeem us from evil, defeat Satan, and assure our way to the Father in heaven.

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Daniel 7 is also complimented by John 1:

Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus (the Word) was with the Father (the source of the Word) from the beginning. He then became Flesh and dwelt among us.

Jesus also said this of himself:

Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

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See also

Jesus – before and after earth

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More about the angel of the Lord:

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Here is the link to the “Trinity” study. Chapter 3 gives the most details for what I propose, with justifications.

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44 Responses to “Preexistence of the Chosen One”

  1. You are truly blessed with the ability to put into words what so many of us know but are unable to express to those who are not aware of Jesus or who want to argue who Jesus is and was and will forever be. Thanks Marianne!

  2. Type the word chosen in the Bible search engine.. You will see that Christians are the chosen…Then read 1 Corinthians 6-3 and see it is Christians who will judge the bad angels…
    JESUS IS GOD….He became a man to show us the way back to God the father and to restore us to his likeness and image….
    CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY…

  3. The Bible ahs all the answers always…..

  4. But Enoch did speak of Jesus..

    • Hi Ruth

      Yes, the book of enoch agrees with the bible on this too. The Chosen One (singular) was distinguish from the chosen ones (plural). The reason we are chosen is because of Jesus.

  5. It is my understanding the word of G-d is how G-d chooses to speak to mankind. Jesus Christ is the word made flesh, to live a perfect life as a sacrifice for our sins. Only G-d inside a human body can live a perfect life.

    Now, G-d holds the deed to earth that Lucifer held after the fall of Adam.

    • Leatherneck

      I could not have said it better. The fact that God holds the deed to earth means that Lucifer cannot legitimately take anything I have away from me – property, health, children, income, etc.

      I belong to the Lord and all I have is really his. An attack on me is an attack on Him.

  6. Where would i be this very second if i didn’t believe in Christ.We care Christ daily in our spirit.When we read his word daily we stay activated with him.email me back if you feel I’m wrong or how you feel as well.Thanks

  7. Hi Marianne, Love the post! I was going to comment on the chosen one, (singular) and the chosen ones (plural) but I see you have since I read the post earlier today. Thanks for making that distinction clear. I also pray for everyone’s safety thru the hurricanes and tropical storms…blessings to all!

  8. Hi everybody,
    Dr. Michael Newton (journey of souls) says that the human consciousness is like this: (I thing these percentage ´d truth for the western part of our wolrd)
    1-5 /5 is the highest/
    1. 42%
    2. 31%
    3. 17%
    4. 9%
    5. 1%
    So what if people like Jesus Christ are the best of that level 5?
    Maybe these Sons of God really “come down” to the Earth to help rise our consciousness. It is like when teacher from Oxford university visits some elementary school :)

    • Zomi

      The point I think you are making is that higher consciousness people can influence lower ones.

      That might be true, but also consider what are they conscious of – good or evil?

      Jesus was holy and pure. He came to raise our consciousness for the good.

      Holy angels from heaven have done the same thing.

      Unholy angels, the fallen ones, have been here to corrupt man with evil consciousness.

      God has given us the minds capable of telling the difference.

      The rest is our choice., so we should be careful who we listen to.

      Just because someone is smarter than we are does not mean they are good for us.

      • Everbody makes choice day by day between good and evil. So it is always up to you! I can lock of my mind holy and fallen angels as well. My spirit and everybodys is a part of the one big cosmic spirit so if you are connected you do you way you need to.
        Why peolpe always divide the duality for good and evil?
        Just 2 principals we have: man-creation, woman-perception.
        What is the evil you write about is just something what was your choice, finally the catalysator of your rising purity.

    • What does he mean by ‘consciousness’? Unless clearly defined,’consciousness’along with ‘Cosmic Christ’ are pseudo-psychological spiritualistic jargon, not biblical.

      • Ounbbl

        I think he means superior intelligence, as in aliens from space

      • let me reply with frequency of Kahlin Gibran:
        even as the holy and righteous cannot rise beyond the HIGHEST which is in each of you, so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.
        By me is “consciousness” smtng like keeping your Self as HIGHEST you can.
        Do you know a Frank Black song :) ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzA29tCwyR4

        • Zomi

          How do you know when you are at your highest? What standard do you use?

          • If you something wrong, and you realise it later you are sad. If you do something from the point of of higher love you feel good. If you do something like helping somebody who ask for it and you never done it before, you may feel something new what gives you wings.. after updating your wings you feel your spirit is getting higher again (and it becomes stronger than ego).

    • That is New Age eastern magic stuff. Humans can not asscend to a higher consciousness. That is what the aliens what you to believe. It misleads you away from G-d’s word.

      Christ is not one of the Accended Masters. He is the word of G-d made flesh. G-d loved us so much he died for us.

      To reach for the Christ consciousness is to state you can be as G-d. The first lie of Lucifer, and why Lucifer is fallen.

      Stay away from the New Age. They hate the G-d of Moses.

      • New age is something full of halftrues.. so they give opportunity to proove your-self, to find out what the state of your consciousness. State of Luciferness or state of holiness, does not matter how you do call it.
        We all make mistakes, but we learn from these. Just go back to your age of 12 and compare your thoughts with those you have now.
        Have you learnt? I think yes, so we can be thankful to everybody and everything we met /bible, new age stuff.. cos that casued our rising. (for somebody falling).

  9. I think the reason for Jesus to exsist escapes the minds of people in the world. When God gave us the Ten Commandments there was not one, no not one of us that could keep these laws. We are all sinners saved by grace! So what does this mean? It means this is the purpose and the reason for the existence of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.The old testament proves over and over the mention of Christ before He was even born into this world. For those who still have doubts, search the scriptures, it has been recorded. The plan was there along for us from the beginning because we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. Esther

  10. AND THE SPIRIT OF ELOHIM HOVERED: this alludes to the spirit of Messiah, as you read, and the spirit
    of YHWH shall rest upon him (Isa. XI, 2). In the merit of what will [this spirit] eventually come? [For the sake
    of that which] HOVERED OVER THE FACE OF THE WATERS, i.e. in the merit of repentance which is
    likened to water, as it is written, Pour out thy heart like water (Lam. II, 19). R. Haggai said in the name of R.
    Pedath: A covenant was made with water6 that even in the hot season a breeze stirs over it. Bereshith Rabbah
    2:4

    The Pre-Existing Creator: Moshiach

    http://www.bnaiavraham.net/teaching_articles/english_teachings/RabbiEd/The%20Pre.pdf

  11. I don’t believe in no book of enoch even though I do believe in Jesus Christ. I think some books were not accepted cause they didn’t belong in our bible we have more than enough revelation prophecy just by these book alone. But Jesus is god and he alone came down to save men -thats why he was called emanuel. Plus why did u keep saying I needed to get save in a email or a discussion we had back earlier Marieanna Tori, I am save and thats to me is very offensive. Just because I believe Jesus is black make me a sinner remember Jesus came to save all colors.

  12. To add you can’t convince a sinner to get save. Jesus and those manifested sons of god is on another level people shouldn’t tinker with unless they kthey are talking about. Manifested sons of god will form the kingdom encase you didn’t know.

  13. I respectfully disagree with this. Jesus Christ is not an ordinary man, but he is a man, 2 Timothy 2 :5. Jesus Christ is a perfect man, born by divine conception, who chose to live a perfect life and die as a sacrifice for sin. He is now resurrected and ascended and sits on the right hand of God, not his own right hand. Jesus Christ had to be fully man to accomplish the redemption. The first man, Adam, brought sin into the world. The second man, Jesus Christ, brought God’s grace to all men who will to believe. Romans 5: 12-15. Jesus Christ had no pre-existence, other than in God’s foreknowledge.1 Peter 1:20. Daniel 7:14 refers to the second coming. The Book of Enoch should not be accepted as scripture.

    • The word of G-d was with G-d in the beganning. Christ is the word of G-d made flesh.

      The human body of Jesus, that was the only time it existed, But the word of G-d existed from the start.

    • How would you know that Jesus Christ and Adam were sent here from the same intelligence just to try Us. The whole life is a huge attestaion.
      Final judgement which is not the final /I think/ will telling how you were doing here.
      Everything is for purpose.
      Have a lightful life.

    • Richard

      Romans 5 does not say Jesus did not pre-exist, it only discusses him after he got here.

      1 Peter also does not deny pre-existence. It only says that Jesus was foreordained.

      1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

      It is possible to be in existence when you are foreordained.

      Just like you are alive right now, but God can foreordain you to serve him in China next year.

      Foreordain just means the assignment came out ahead of the actual implementation of the assignment.

      Daniel 7 is also complimented by John 1:

      Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

      1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

      Jesus (the Word) was with the Father (the source of the Word) from the beginning. He then became Flesh and dwelt among us.

      Jesus also said this of himself:

      Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

      I am glad you brought this up. I should have had more scriptures.

  14. Richard

    Where you referring to something I said, or a comment here? I would not consider Jesus an ordinary man. My post is about the heavenly nature of Jesus before he came to earth, and afterwards also. So he would be an extraordinary person.

  15. Was not aware there were questions concerning Christ’s pre-existance in Heaven. John 1:1 is clear…. the Word was both WITH God and was God…before He was made flesh and dwelt among us. Father/Word, Son/Word, and Holy Comforter/Word are three…but are ONE.

    • Carolyn

      This post was more for nonbelievers, who think Jesus was just a man or historical figure. Muslims are a good example. We have had some visit this site, so I was trying to address the issue.

  16. John 16:13-14
    However, when HE, the spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak; and he will tell you things to come. he will glorify me, for he will take of what is mine and declare it to you.

    Do not dare to change this for another is known to come before Jesus does at the very end, He has been named in both the OT, and NT, and his name is MICHAEL. Also there are the two witness also, so make no reinterpretation of the deception that many know not what is to come, you pick the end to try, and prove your point of no other, but miss the rest that is most important. Deceive not your self or of others, unless you truly know GOD, and his son first, and most all there words, and the meaning in them.

    The truth is revealed only in the end times, but not before its time to be. You quot with little understanding like many have before. You show your weakness in understanding, DO NOT LEAD THE SHEEP ASTARY, for you are professing to know, and your name in the book of life that you are gambling over. I can only say, and write what is given to me.

    I will not profess to know it all, least of all I become a hypocrite of ignorance, like many before.

    Sorry your answers, are but shallow of the true understanding, given in scripture, but take not my word, and see the truth that is so much in all of scripture that has said will be, your imagination of scripture in what you think is very different in what in means.

  17. As the Christ said ‘The Kingdom of God is within YOU!” Being divine is a state of being. The Son of Man is a term of endearment for a prophet and biblical scholars from the Jesus Seminar agree that when Jesus spoke of the Son of Man coming he was not speaking of himself. The Dead Sea Scrolls also talk about the roles of three different Messiahs. However, in one of the gospels the Christ talks about the chosen one will be all three. He also gave the age their work would being and when it would end.

    • Eliakim

      Would you please give the scriptures ( Book, chapter and verse) that says there would be 3 different Messiahs, and where Christ indicated their age, and when their work would begin and end? thanks.

  18. Leatherneck, all true prophets taught ascension and you will find it in the book of Isaiah. In mystical Judaism it is called the ‘Ascent of the Tree of Life’. The Christ also taught ascension although most of his teachings that are found are to do with his healing psychology that helps people to ascend when they integrate them. Hence why he told his accusers to clean their cup and plate. He would say the same to you Leatherneck.

  19. Marianne I will let you know when the book is published citing all of the scriptures that pertain to the one that God promised to send in the last days of the end times. In the meantime I recommend that you read Geza Vermes translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls. I do not agree with all of his interpretations of his translations. However, he is most renowned Dead Sea Scrolls scholar. Seek within Marianne for the Kingdom of God as the Christ told you all too!

  20. Thanks for writing about this simple but over looked point.
    There are Christians who believe Jesus was not God but just a called man. The problem is that he would have then been a human subject to sin, normal, level with the rest of us no matter how called. The big point is that man cannot save man, only God can!
    God had to intervene in our sticky situation because we just could not fix our own problem. That’s like trying to pull yourself out of a sinking sand pit!

    Isa 59:16 – He saw that there was no man, And wondered that there was no intercessor; Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him; And His own righteousness, it sustained Him.

    Isa 9:6 – For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

  21. Perfectly expressed by the Holy Spirit within you. If only all true believers stopped thinking with their material mind and be moved only by the Holy Spirit, there would be no need to explain… we would all simply KNOW.

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