The Beast – “is”- or – “is not” – Rome? – end times

(This is a subtopic of the main document the 4th beast of Daniel. See the full document for further clarification )

Traditionally, the Anti-Christ, or 4th Beast is identified with Rome. Does Daniel and the Book of Revelation point to a revived Roman Beast, or a Grecian one, or a hybrid of the two?

The reason I present this separately is because we will interpret current prophetic events in light of who we think the final beast (anti-Christ) is. So it is important first to examine the traditional view that the beast is of the Roman empire, and see if it still fits the world scene today.

The history of the Beast

A. Traditionally, people have thought the 4th beast is a Roman, because from Daniel:

(1) it says the 4th beast has iron (symbolic of Rome) teeth, but note that only the teeth are iron. not the whole thing.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.

Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth [were of] iron (ROME), and his nails [of] brass (GREECE); [which] devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; [Notice the beast is part Roman and part Grecian, not just Roman]

(2) Nebuchadnezzar’s dream statue mentions iron

(Babylon=gold, Medo-Persians=silver, Bronze/brass = Greece, iron = Rome)

Dan 2:41 And whereas you saw the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

Dan 2:42 And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [This does not indicate how much is iron, and how much is clay].

(3) Also, since the woman of the beast sits on a city of 7 hills in Revelation 17……they think this is Rome. However, the woman sits on the city, not the beast. The beast is much bigger. But there is some connection between the city and the beast, and the city is not the beast.

B. However, the book of Revelation gives more details, pointing to a Middle Eastern Beast.

Rev 13-1-4 describes the Beast, which is the Anti-christ

v1 “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

v2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”

***These symbolic animals were originally identified in Daniel’s prophecy, and represent the modern territories occupied by the Islamic middle-eastern countries – ancient Grecian (leopard), and Medo (bear) – Persian (lion). So, the beast is not modern Europe.

v3 “And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

v4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”

*** Some people have tried to identify this wounding with loss of power by Rome or the papacy, but this prophecy is clear that the wounding does not occur until the Medo-Persian-Grecian beast (kingdom) is united as one entity in the last days. One of the main powers in the beast will loose its authority, but then it will return to power. As politically unstable as the Middle East is, this is very likely one of the Islamic nations. Power is always changing hands in this region, and heads of state have strong political enemies.

In Revelation 17, there are:

7 heads = 7 mountains (Rev 17:9)….….also 7 kings….5 have fallen, one is….and the other not yet come…the beast is the 8th king….and is one of the 7 , and will go into perdition. The history of the people who produce the beast, then, have

1. a history of being ruled by kings, and

2. being enemies with Israel.

10 horns are 10 future kings…. that have no kingdom yet.

History and Today’s Reality

Please observe carefully the distinction made between “what is,” and what “is not” here:

The angel in Revelations 17:8 told John the beast [the wounded head spirit] was [before Johns' time], is not [during Johns' time], and “yet is.” Somehow, the beast is a mixture of “is not” and “is”, indicating a hybrid if some sort.

Verse 8 also says the beast shall ascend out of the bottomless pit [the ABYSS], and go into perdition [evil deeds],” and become the eighth in a line of a succession of kings that started with ancient Egypt and flowed through Babylon. They are 1. Egypt, 2. Assyria, 3. Babylon, 4. Medo-Persia, 5. Grecia, 6. Rome, and 7. end time (seventh kingdom) and 8. Antichrists, the eighth.

Verse 10 describes the succession of 7 kings before the final beast takes power: “five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet to come.” The current empire was Rome.

But then verse 11 re-emphasizes “And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.” [Note that it does not say the beast is of the 6th, the one thatis,” which would be the Roman empire]

To qualify as the beast, it would have to be “was,” and “is not” during the time of John. Since Romeisduring John’s time, and notis not,” this also shows that it is not Rome, but an empire that occurred before Rome. Recall that in Revelation 13, the previous ancient Grecian (leopard) empire, with some Roman (iron teeth) and Medo (bear)-persian (lion) elements, that will arise to be the beast, fit the description of the 7th and 8th beasts. This is the hybrid predicted in verse 8.

He, the wounded head spirit, is the eighth head, but he came out of the seventh kingdom. The seventh kingdom is the end time, physical kingdom, lead by the seventh physical king.

The seventh king, comes out of ten kings from that region, acts as the peacemaker, is given back his ancestral throne [seventh kingdom], whose capital is Baghdad, and whose kingdom is within the area of the Seleucid portion of the Old Grecian Empire, Prince of Persia’s (Satan’s) old domain.

The final Empire that spreads over the area covered by the old Grecian Empire, is the Muslim Empire. There is also the other side of the regions spiritual coin. The Kingdom within the Muslim Empire, that is within the area of the Seleucid portion of the old Grecian Empire, with Baghdad as its capital, is The Hashemite Kingdom. [Baghdad is right in the heart of Babylon, Magog] See map- white outline is Hashemite kingdom:


That That Empire, whose capital is Babylon, is the Moslem Empire. It’s son, the kingdom of Allah’s Prophet, Muhammad, is the Hashemite Kingdom, whose capital, Baghdad, is centered right in the middle of the action on today’s stage. And, the Hashemite King, whose Kingdom was stolen from him (wound to the “head”), by none other than Egypt and Syria, is the key player in the regions peace process, and is already being hailed as the peacemaker, by its friends and enemies alike! The Hashemite King is religious royalty, the heir to the throne of Muhammad, prophet of Allah, he’s the rightful owner of the Hashemite Kingdom, keeper of the keys to the holy shrines of Allah. He also currently controls the Temple Mount. Will the Hashmites return to the throne and control this area again?

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70 Responses to “The Beast – “is”- or – “is not” – Rome? – end times”

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  2. Hello,

    I believe what Revelation is saying in reference to the Beast’s head being wounded is the return from the dead of two individuals. One a false political leader and the other a false religious leader.

    I have many reasons for this. I guess we’ll all find out soon.

    The two names I’d name is Ronald Wilson Reagan and Pope John Paul II. I would like to say this is pure speculation on my part and others whom I confer with. In no way can I read the Bible and get those two names out of it.

    Revelation is a book nobody but God truly understands.

    Yet if someone was to rise from the dead it would convince most people that they possessed something divine.

    Love,

    John

    • HI JOHN: (JUST SOME BIBLICAL CONVERSATION AND INFO FOR ANYONE INTERESTED)

      YOU SAID, “REVELATION IS A BOOK NOBODY BUT GOD TRULY UNDERSTANDS.”

      ACTUALLY, NOT SO TRUE! AS A LONG TIME “BORN AGAIN” BIBLE TEACHER, EVERY VERSE THAT IS IN REVELATION CAN BE FOUND, CHECKED AGAINST, AND ALSO VERIFIED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE NEW TESTAMENT “CONCEALED,” AND THE NEW TESTAMENT IS THE OLD TESTAMENT “REVEALED.” THE BIBLICAL STORY OF THE “BEAST” MUST BE LOOKED AT FROM THE PERPECTIVE OF JOHN THE APOSTLE IN 95 AD, FROM ANCIENT (PRE JOHN HISTORY – AKA: FROM NOAH TO THE IST NIMRODIAN KINGDOM OF BABEL/BABYLON); AND, FROM TODAY’S MODERN HISTORY OF THE NATIONS; ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU CAN FILL IN THE BLANKS VERY EASILY; WHY? BECAUSE THE NEFARIOUS DARK LEADERS THAT RULE THE GLOBE TODAY HAVE SOME VERY INTERESTING INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH US THAT IS ABSOLUTELY (BIBLICALLY) ACCURATE (ALTHOUGH THEY DON’T KNOW IT). WHAT PEOPLE TEND TO DO THOUGH, IS TO TRY TO GUESS AT IT, RATHER THAN TAKE IT AS IT REALLY EXISTS; LET ME GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE AS FOLLOWS.

      ALL OF THE BIBLE MUST BE LOOKED AT, WITH HEBRAIC/JEWISH EYES; AFTER ALL, IT WAS WRITTEN FOR JEWS, BY (HEBREWS) JEWS (EXCEPT FOR LUKE); AND, IT IS ABOUT JEWS; GENTILES ARE “GRAFTS” (AND GENTILES ARE A BIG PART OF THE OVERALL BIBLICAL LANDSCAPE IF YOU WILL); BUT, WE MUST VIEW THINGS FROM A HEBRAIC/JEWISH PERSPECTIVE, AND NOT OURS (GENTILES); WHAT I’M TRYING TO SAY IS, ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE HEBRAIC/JEWISH CONNECTION IN ALL THINGS BIBLICAL, IT MAKES IT GO SO MUCH EASIER.

      WHEN LOOKING FOR THE KINGDOMS AND BEASTS IN THE BOOKS OF REVELATION, OR IN DANIEL, THE BEAST(S) ARE “ALWAYS” THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH THE (HEBREW) JEWISH NATION OF ISRAEL. THE FOUR BEASTS IN DANIEL (BABYLON, MEDEO-PERSIA, GREECE, ROME I), ALL RULED OVER ISRAEL, AND WERE THEIR OVERLORDS. THE BEASTS OF REVELATION ARE 8 IN NUMBER (EGYPT, ASSYRIA, BABYLON, MEDEO-PERSIA, GREECE, ROME I, AND ROME II; BUT, ROME II IS ACTUALLY A 2-PART KINGDOM. IN JOHN’S DAY, 5 “WERE” (EGYPT, ASSYRIA, BABYLON, MEDEO-PERSIA, GREECE), 1 “IS” (ROME I), AND 1 “IS TO COME” (THAT IS, FUTURE ROME II). BUT THE REAL KEY IS TO FIND THE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE ANCIENT (OLD WORLD ORDER) AND TODAY’S (NEW WORLD ORDER). THAT IS WHERE THE CONNECTION COMES, BECAUSE “THE 7TH KING” (OF ROME II) IT SAYS IN REVELATION, “WILL HIMSELF BE THE 8TH KING (ALSO ROME II);” THUS, ONE MAN, BUT TWO “SEPARATE” POSITIONS; HOW SO? HERE YOU GO.

      THE RULER(S) OF THIS WORLD (TODAY), CONTROL 85% OF THE ENTIRE WEALTH OF THE PLANET. THEY CONTROL AIR, LAND, AND SEA COMMERCE THROUGH THEIR UCC (UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE). THEY CONTROL ALL OF THE GOLD AND SILVER BULLION OF THE ENTIRE WORLD, AND ALSO SET THEIR VALUES (DAILY). THEY BOTH ISSUE AND RULE OVER, ALL OF THE FIAT MONEY, OF ALL THE GOVERNEMENTS, OF ALLTHE WORLD, EXCEPT CHINA. THEY HAVE PASSED (ALL) THE LAWS THAT TODAY GOVERN (ALL) OF THE OCEANS AND FORESTS; THE AIR SPACE OVER EVERY COUNTRY EXCEPT CHINA. THEY CONTROL EVERY WORLD LEADER, THEIR GOVERNEMENTS, THEIR CONGRESSES, AND ALL OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS, EXCEPT CHINA. THEY CONTROL EVERY GLOBAL MILITARY IN THE WORLD, EXCEPT CHINAS. THEY CONTROL THE G7 NATIONS, THE G20 NATIONS; AND, THE UNITED NATIONS. THEY BOTH CAUSED THE CURRENT GLOBAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, AND WILL SOON (AS EARLY AS 2012), BRING IN GLOBAL MARTIAL LAW, AFTER MANY “FALSE FLAG” NUCLEAR, VIRAL, AND PESTILENCE OUTBREAKS THAT THEY WILL GENERATE; AND, THAT WILL HAVE (UNSUSPECTING) HUMANITY BEGGING FOR HELP AND RELIEF, FROM THE VERY PEOPLE THAT WILL ISSUE THIS EVIL UPON MANKIND; THEIR NAMES? THEY ARE THE ROTHSCHILD; THE BLACK NOBILTY; THE VATICAN; AND THE VATICAN JESUIT P2 ILLUMINATI. THE ROTHSCHILD OWNS THE MAJORITY STOCK AND VALUE (AND THUS, ALSO CONTROLS), THE IMF, THE IBS, THE BANK OF LONDON, THE BANK OF ENGLAND, THE WORLD BANK, THE CENTRAL BANKS, THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS (THE FED); AND, THE US TREASURY DEPT. THEY RULE OVER ALL THE MAJOR BANKS, OF ALL THE COUNTRIES, OF ALL THE WORLD, THROUGH THE LOANS MADE TO ALL WORLD GOVERNMENTS FROM THE IMF. EVERY TIME YOU SEE A GLOBAL NEWS STORY, NOTICE THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION GIVEN (IMF LOANS TO THAT COUNTRY [LIKE GREECE], AND THE “AUSTERE” CONDITIONS BEING IMPOSED ON THOSE LOANS, TO THOSE GOVERNEMENTS, IN ORDER TO BREAK THEM). THE IMF LOANS GOVERNMENTS THE MONEY, THEN PULLS THE RUG FROM UNDER THEM THROUGH UCC CONDITIONS; THEN, THREATENS FORECLOSURES OF ENTIRE NATIONS, IF THEIR DEMANDS AREN’T MET. HERE IS THE MOTTO OF THE BLACK NOBILITY: “WE ARE THE BLACK NOBILITY, NOT BLACK AS IN COLOR, BLACK AS IN EVIL.” THE ROTHSCHILD IS THE UNDISPUTED AND REIGNING HEAD OF THE BLACK NOBILITY; A 13 GROUP (FREEMASON/ILLUMINATI/BAYLONIAN-EGYPTIAN-NEW AGE PAGAN/SATANIST/LUCEFERIAN) SYNDICATE OF (PRIMARILY) BANKING AND OIL FAMILIES. 10 ARE FROM EUROPE, 2 ARE FROM THE US, AND 1 IS FROM ROME. THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER ALLTHE WORLD; ANYONE THAT DOESN’T KNOW THAT WILL BE IN FOR A VERY RUDE AWAKENING SOON. NOW, WHAT DOES THIS ALL HAVE TO DO WITH THE BIBLE, THE END TIMES, THE OLD WORLD ORDER, AND SO ON? HERE YOU GO: THE NAME ROTHSCHILD MEANS “RED” SHIELD. THE COLOR “RED” IS THE KEY (AS IN THE SCARLET-“RED” BEAST OF REVELATION 17:3), ALSO, THEIR ASSOCIATION WITH THE VATICAN (THE HARLOT OF REVELATION 17:1-13: DRESSED IN PURPLE [BISHOPS]; AND SCARLET-”RED” [CARDINALS AND POPES]; WITH A GOLDEN CUP IN HER HAND [A CHALICE]; FILLED WITH ABOMINATIONS [IDOLATRY AND GNOSTICISM]; AND SITS OVER MANY WATERS [HAS FOLLOWERS IN MANY NATIONS]; IN A CITY ON 7 HILLS [THE 7 HILLS OF ROME]; AND IS GUILTY OF THE BLOOD OF THE SAINTS OF JESUS [THE BIBLICAL SAINTS: ALL THE BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS KILLED BY PAPAL ORDERS THROUGH THE INQUISTIONS, THE CRUSADES, AND IN ALL THE WORLD WARS THAT HAVE BEEN STARTED BY THE EVIL VATICAN JESUIT P2 ILLUMINATI OF IGNATIUS LOYOLA]. THE ROTHSCHILD AND THEIR GLOBAL DOMINANCE OVER ALL NATIONS OF THE WORLD IS ALSO A “KEY;” AS IS THEIR CONTROL OVER THE G7 (UN) NATIONS; AND, THEIR TOTAL CONTROL OVER THE UNITED STATES IN PARTICULAR.

      HERE IS THE DUAL CONNECTION:

      KING NIMROD, IN THE BOOK OF GENESIS, WAS A ONE-WORLD LEADER, OF A ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT, OVER A ONE-WORLD RELGION, WITH A ONE-WORLD LANGAUGE, AND HAD A ONE-WORLD MONETARY SYSTEM, WITH A ONE-WORLD ROYAL MILITARY. NIMROD WAS A PICTURE OF THE FIRST GLOBAL ANTICHRIST PERSONAGE; NIMROD HATED GOD, AND HE BUILT THE TOWER OF BA-BEL [“BEL” IS ANOTHER NAME FOR SATAN] IN ORDER TO GET INTO THE CLOUDS, INTO GOD’S REALM AS IS WERE, AND TO GET IN GOD’S FACE IN DEFIANCE, TO TELL HIM THAT HE [GOD], WOULD NOT RULE OVER HIM, OR HIS KINGDOM; GOD WHACKED HIM AND HIS ENTIRE KINGDOM. NIMROD WAS THE GREAT-GRANDSON OF NOAH, SON OF CUSH, WHO WAS THE SON OF HAM (THE CURSED ONE). CUSH TRAVELED WITH IS FATHER HAM TO CANAAN; LATER CUSH MIGRATED TO NORTHEASTERN AFRICA, TO THE LANDS THAT WOULD BE CALLED THE KINGDOM OF CUSH; THE AREA THAT TODAY WOULD ENCOMPASS ETHIOPIA, THE SUDAN, AND “KENYA.” CUSH FATHERED NIMROD, THUS, NIMROD WOULD BE OF ROYAL CUSHITE BLOOD; A PRINCE [AS IN PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE]. HISTORY RECORDS THAT NIMROD WAS A “DARK-SKINNED” MAN, AND WAS AN AVID HUNTER. HE TRAINED ROYAL “LEOPARDS” TO HUNT; BUT, NIMROD HUNTED MORE THAN JUST GAME, HE WAS “A HUNTER OF MEN,” FOR PURE SPORT [WHEREAS JESUS IS “A FISHER OF MEN” … A HUNTER BRINGS FEAR; A FISHER IS GENTLE]. NIMROD MIGRATED FROM CUSH, UP NORTH TO CANAAN, THEN EAST, TO THE PLAINS OF SHINAR, WHERE (LATER) BABEL-BABYLON WOULD BE BUILT (AND) WHERE HE SET UP HIS KINGDOM, THE SAME ONE THAT (LATER) WAS DESTROYED BY GOD. TODAY, THAT WOULD BE THE AREA OF CENTRAL IRAQ.

      NOW, FAST FORWARD TO TODAY, AND SPECIFICALLY TO THE ROTHSCHILD, AND THE BLACK NOBILITY:

      THE ROTHSCHILD CLAIM, THAT THEY ARE FULLY TRACEABLE IN THEIR FAMILY LINEAGE, BACK TO THE ANCIENT BABYLONIAN KINGDOM OF KING NIMROD. THEY CALL THEMSELVES “JEWS” (BUT ARE NOT: REVELATION 3:9); THEY ARE OF THE MALE DOMINATED, PHALLIC WORSHIPPING, PAGAN LINEAGE, OF THE RUTHLESS ANCIENT SCYTHIANS (LATER THEY USED STONE “OBELISKS” TO CLEARLY INDICATE THEIR HERITAGE, AND THEIR WORSHIP SYMBOL). LATER IN HISTORY, THEY WERE KNOWN AS THE KHZARS/KZARS OF THE EURO-INDO AREAS; THEN THE CZARS OF RUSSIA; THEN THE CAESARS OF ROME; THEN THE CAESARS OF THE GERMAN/ROMAN EMPIRE STARTING WITH THE “GERMAN” KING CHARLEMAGNE; FINALLY, ALTHOUGH THEY RETAINED COMPLETE POWER AND CONTROL OVER THE TITLE ITSELF, THEY TEMPORAILY RELINGUISHED THE TITLE OF (PSUEDO) CAESAR TO THE (PAPAL/CATHOLIC) HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE; BUT, THE ORIGINS OF THEIR CLAIMED POWER, IS TOTALLY “NIMRODIAN.” TODAY, IN THE MAIN CITIES OF POWER THAT THE ROTHSCHILD RULE OVER, YOU WILL FIND THEIR ANCIENT PHALLIC (OBELISK) SYMBOL; IN THE CITY OF LONDON [THE ROTHSCHILD “SQUARE MILE” – THE CENTER OF ALL “COMBINED” WORLD POWER]; THEN, IN WASHINGTON, DC [THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT –WHICH IS ALSO THE LARGEST OBELISK IN THE WORLD – THE CENTER OF ALL “MILITARY AND POLITICAL” POWER; THAT IS ALSO A BIBLICAL KEY, THE CITY OF THE POLITICAL/GOVERNMENTAL ANTICHRIST]; AND FINALLY, IN ST. PETER’S SQUARE [AT THE VATICAN]; THE CENTER OF ALL “RELIGIOUS” POWER; THUS, THE HOME ON 7 HILLS, OF THE FALSE PROPHET [OF REVELATION 13:11-18; 14: 1-8; AND 18:1-24].

      NOW, HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS A BIT; REMEMBER THE TERM THE “OLD WORLD ORDER” OF KING “NIMROD,” AND ALL OF ITS ONE-WORLD IDEALOGY? TODAY, THE ROTHSHILD ARE THE HEAD OF THE “NEW WORLD ORDER”… IN 1983, THE ROTHSCHILD AND BLACK NOBILITY CHOSE AND ANOINTED A YOUNG MAN TO BECOME 2 “FUTURE” WORLD LEADERS; NO. 1, A US PRESIDENT; AND NO.2, THE 9TH UNITED NATIONS SECRETARY GENERAL.THIS YOUNG MAN WAS FULLY EDUCATED, INDOCTRINATED, AND PREPARED IN NEW WORLD ORDER FOREIGN POLICY AND FOREIGN POLITICS. THIS YOUNG MAN, LIKE HIS ANCIENT KINGLY PREDECESSOR, IS ALSO A “DARK SKINNED” MAN; ALSO A “KENYAN,” THUS, ALSO OF THE LINEAGE OF ANCIENT “CUSH;” OF THE LINEAGE OF ANCIENT “NIMROD;” THUS, A MODERN LEADER OF “THE PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE” [ROMAN AND NIMRODIAN]; AND ALSO, OF THE LINEAGE OF ANCIENT “PAGAN” (THUS ANTI-GOD) BABYLON.

      THIS PERSON TODAY IS CURRENTLY SERVING IN HIS FIRST WORLD LEADER POSITION, AND IS SOON EXPECTED TO BE “ENTHRONED” IN HIS SECOND POSITION AT THE UN, PROBABLY AS SOON AS LATE 2012, OR IN 2013 (AFTER MARTIAL LAW IS IMPOSED); SO, HERE YOU HAVE “ONE MAN,” SERVING AS A CURRENT (BUT FUTURE FROM JOHN THE APOSTLE) 7TH (WORLD KINGDOM) KING, OF A MAJOR POWER NATION THAT [AGAIN] HAS POWER “OVER” ISRAEL; AND, WHEN HE IS “ENTHRONED” AND “REVEALED” TO AN UNREPENTANT AND UNGODLY WORLD (AFTER THE RAPTURE) WILL THEN (ALSO) “HIMSELF WILL BE AN 8TH (AND FINAL) KING.” HERE IS THE KICKER; HIS CURRENT POLITICAL “CODE NAME” IS “RENEGADE” (WHICH ALSO MEANS, “LAWLESS” ONE); AND HIS “CFR” [COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS] MEMEBRSHIP “CODE NAME” IS (YEP, BELIEVE IT OR NOT) NIMROD; AND THE EMBLEM OF THE “CFR?” A “RIDER ON A WHITE HORSE”… AND WHAT IS HIS CURRENT LIMOS’ NAME? “THE BEAST.” AND WHO DOES HE ANSWER TO? THE ROTHSCHILD; AND WHO DOES THE (SCARLET-RED) ROTHSCHILD RULE OVER? THE SAME G7 NATIONS THAT RULE THE ENTIRE WORLD (AKA: THE 7 HEADS OF THE SCARLET-RED BEAST SYSTEM); AND WHO GIVES CONTROL TO THE G7 NATIONS, THE (ROTHSCHILD-CONTROLLED) UN; AND WHAT DID THE UN GET AS A RESULT OF THE 5 ILLEGAL TREATIES KNOWN AS THE AUSTRALIAN-PACIFIC TREATY, THE NORTH AMERICAN (NAFTA) TREATY, THE AFRICAN TREATY, THE SOUTH AMERICAN TREATY, AND THE LISBON TREATY? THE 10 FINAL “NEW WORLD ORDER KINGDOMS” (OF THE ANTICHRIST; AKA: THE 10 CROWNS); AND WHO IS “RIDING ON” THE COAT TAILS [SO-TO-SPEAK] OF THE SCARLET-RED BEAST? NONE OTHER THAN THE GREAT HARLOT, DRESSED IN PURPLE AND SCARLET (RED). AND WHO RULES OVER THE UCC (UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE)? THE ROTHSCHILD AND THE VATICAN.

      FINALLY, HERE IS THE ANTICHRIST AND ANTICHRIST KINGDOM SYMBOLOGY FOUND IN REVELATION 13:1-10. BOTH THE BEAST SYSTEM [THE ROTHSCHILD/VATICAN UCC GLOBAL SYSTEM] AND THE BEAST HIMSELF [THE ANTICHRIST PERSONAGE] ARE INTEGRATED IN THE ONE SYMBOL.

      1. “A BODY THAT LOOKED LIKE A LEOPARD”: THIS IS PRIMARILY A NIMRODIAN “ROYAL LEOPARD.” IT IS ALSO GERMAN, AS IN A PANZAR; AND ALSO, THE HEAD OF THE ROTHSHILD DYNASTY (JACOB ROTHSHILD) IS A GERMAN.
      2. “WITH 7 HEADS”: THE G7 NATIONS (AKA: THE 7 HEADS; OR, THE 7 HEAD NATIONS OF THE WORLD).
      3. “ONE HEAD HAD THE MOUTH OF A LION”: THE ROTHSCHILD SYMBOL IS THE “LION.” SO BOTH THE SYSTEM AND THE ANTICHRIST PERSON WILL SPEAK FOR THE ROTHSCHILD “LION.” ALSO, THE LION IS “BRITISH”… THE US CAME FROM BRITIAN; THUS, IS ALSO A “YOUNG LION.”
      4. “IT HAD 10 CROWNS”: THE 10 FINAL “NEW WORLD ORDER KINGDOMS” ACHIEVED WITH THE 5 ILLEGAL UN TREATIES.
      5. “HAD FEET LIKE A BEAR: THIS IS A REFERENCE TO THE VATICAN. ON ONE OF THE MAIN PAPAL SHIELDS TODAY, THERE IS A TRIPLE PAPAL CROWN; TWO KEYS [SILVER AND GOLD – HER EXTREME WEALTH], AN ISLAMIC (“DARK SKINNED”) KING; AND THE CORSICAN “BEAR” THAT CARRIES A LOAD ON ITS BACK; THE “FEET OF THE BEAR” IS THUS HELPING, BY CARRYING THE “LEOPARD BODY/SYSTEM-UCC” IN THIS BIBLICAL SYMBOL. THIS PAPAL “BEAR” IS FROM THE ISLAND OF CORSICA, THE HALLOWED PLACE OF THE FREEMASONS, THE ILLUMINATI, THE ROSICRUCIANS, AND THE SMOM (SOVEREIGN MILITARY ORDER OF THE KNIGHTS OF MALTA) WHICH TODAY CORRESPONDS TO THE SAME ANCIENT “KNIGHTS TEMPLAR” OF THE CRUSADES – THEY WORE THE BLACK CROSS OF JERUSALEM, AND THE “RED” CROSS OF ROME, WHICH CAN BE SEEN ON THE PAPAL ROBES AT ANY CEREMONY; IT IS ROSICRUCIAN, BUT THESE GROUPS I’VE NAMED ARE ALL SECRETLY ENTWINED; SO, BELONGING TO THE ONE, IS TO BELONG TO THE OTHERS. ALSO, THE ISLAMIC (“DARK SKINNED”) KING [LEADER] IS VERY NOTEWORTHY; ACCORDING TO THE VATICAN STORY AVAILBALE, IT IS SYMBOLIC OF AN “ISLAMIC” KING [LEADER] THAT SUPPOSEDLY DISAPPEARED FROM ROME BETWEEN THE 6TH AND 7TH CENTURIES; AND THAT THE VATICAN HAS BEEN “SECRETLY WAITING” FOR HIS RETURN [SINCE THEN]. WE KNOW ALREADY THAT THE ROTHSCHILD AND BLACK NOBILITY ANNOINTED A YOUNG “DARK SKINNED ISALMIC MAN” IN 1983, TO BECOME THE “NIMRODIAN KING” OVER THEIR NEW WORLD ORDER; SO NOW, YOU DECIDE, IS HE HERE? YEP, HE IS.

      • I believe you have just filled in some of the missing pieces of my puzzle. Do you have more information on this available? I am concerned with how all of this triggers the second coming/ascension of the Messiah’s chosen. And how does it all play into physical Israel and Spiritual Israel?

  3. Hi John,

    True, only time will tell. Since both men you mention are dead, how would that apply?

    marianne

  4. Marianne,

    When the beast arrives he will cause a great sensation. The Bible says the world will say “Who is like the beast and who can make war with him.” At the present moment the USA is the clear superior milatary power.

    If somebody returned from the dead the would fufill the beast’s head being wounded.

    It’s only a theory.

    Love,

    John

  5. John,

    DO you think the USA will stay a major military power? IF Obama gets in the white house, he has promised to cut the military budget and decrease the size of the military, and come home from overseas.

  6. Marianne,

    What you say is true. There are an infinite number of possibilites but there will only be one reality. All through the ages people have misinterpreted revelation. I read a book where they said everything in the Book of Revelation was fufilled.

    But I can gleam some facts from the Bible. The beast will be deceitful (Mathew 24). This means portraying himself as a servant of Jesus but not being so.

    Also Revelation is clear that the Beast will have an awesome military.

    These two things lead me to look at the United States.

    In just one year things may change drastically but for now that is how I see it.

    Hitler was a very evil man and ruled the most awesome milatary of the time. Yet the whole world wasn’t awed by Hitler. Whoever the beast is it will be something so dramatic that it can’t be missed. Except for those carnally minded who really don’t know Christ.

    Love,

    John

  7. Hi John,

    again :)

    How do you think the Islamic countries and their ownership of nuclear weapons fits into the end time power scenario?

    marianne

  8. Marianne,

    Well from the looks of things there seems like there’s going to be a big confronation. I think the proliferation of nuclear weapons is a very important issue. I believe that on the Lord’s return creation will be destroyed by fire. I don’t think that is referring to nuclear weapons. Yet the fact that mankind can destroy all life on Earth is very significant. I view it as the parent allowing bad children to do bad things but finally drawing a line and saying “No more.”

    As a Christian I totally reject the Koran and Muhammad as being false. I also think the fact that the Roman Catholic Church is trying to bring all religions into one is important too.

    Remember even Jesus’ twelve apostles couldn’t correctly discern scripture.

    Personally I view that attaining of nuclear weapons by any country a very bad thing. I would hope that man could peacefully settle their issues but I don’t have faith in man at all. I only know that through Jesus things will get better.

    Right now with Iran, Isreal has made it known they won’t let them develop nuclear weapons. They will do something like bombing the reactors like they did in Iraq. I think Isreal’s fear of Iran is justified but I also think the Muslim countries fear of the West is justified as well. Don’t forget that the French and English had controlled these countries in an oppressive fashion.

    I know the Bible says there will be wars until the end.

    Those are some thoughts.

    Love,

    John

  9. Hi all,

    Got some time now as we’re inport plugged in for some air conditioning seeking shelter from the heat wave in NC.

    America can be defeated easily. But watch the trial of those who plotted 9-11. Watch them defy authority and invigorate others to Jihad and kill. Watch as they flood the borders of nations and install shri’a law. Then will the question Who is like the beast who can defeat him? be understood.

    Daniel provides great detail regarding the Beast Empire in the. In it we find the nature of it, the time of its exisitence, and just as important a specific location. From the old Seluecid Empire a.k.a. the king of the north. Ezekiel 38 and 39 provide insight as well.

    Got to go now, take care.

  10. Hi David,

    You’re in NC also? Me too. And YES, it is hot here.

    Thank you for your comment. I think you and I are on similar wavelengths.

    marianne

  11. Hello,

    We sailed from Ocracoke Friday and are currently in Belhaven. Very quiet town just what we like.

  12. I cannot believe how so many people simply do not Spiritually understand the WORD of God.

    These websites are so false and ridiculous, and they are misleading people with all sorts of false information.

    Christ said” SEARCH the scriptures….not just read them over and think that is sufficient. It takes a deep concentrated search in order to reveal the many mysteries of God’s WORD.

  13. I cannot believe how so many people simply do not Spiritually understand the WORD of God.

    These websites are so false and ridiculous, and they are misleading people with all sorts of false information.

    Christ said” SEARCH the scriptures….not just read them over and think that is sufficient. It takes a deep concentrated search in order to reveal the many mysteries of God’s WORD.

    second reply: Yes I have the right place in which to tell you that your site really doesnt give people the truth of God. You are misleading people with FALSE information.

  14. i thought that the 6 king was the US sience it has been said that this is gonna be the last empires.
    because when it alks about kings that is what it refers to the controling empires. another thing the anti-christ opposes every thing that it is the word of GOD so he is gonna be either pro homosexuals and bi-sexual him self.

    • Gabriel, so you think that by labelling people you got the word of GOD right? So we should hate gays and bisexual people – then we get in. This is just so typical – somebody sitting there comfortably and judging others according to an outside frame of reference. No real idea of what it means to live life, and how stuff really works.

      • dear SlenderSail,

        Gavriel is referring to this passage:

        Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

        The book of Daniel identifies this man as one who does not desire women, implying that he either desires men instead, or does not desire sex at all.

        This has nothing to do with labeling, judgment, or hate. This is what the Word of God says about this man.

        God is the final judge. But it is up to know what His criteria are for holiness.

        We cannot judge the final state of the soul, because that can change at any time, with the help of the holy spirit.

        But we can judge behavior and match it up with what the Word says, to see if it is right or wrong.

        This type of judgment is called discretion, because it is for our own protection.

        For example, I can watch someone steal and make a judgment that he is a thief. I can then decide to avoid him, so he will not steal from me too.

  15. Hi Gabriel

    There are different theories out there about the beast. Each has its conclusions and reasons. This is one theory with the justifications. I want people to think about all possibilities, so they will not be taken by surprise, and not recognize the beast, and get fooled.

    The USA is not the only “empire” at the moment. The Islamic nations also form an empire, and they are looking for one leader to lead all of them into the next war with the West. The Muslims outnumber the Americans, and they have lots of money from Arab oil to wage war. If America falls, then they will be the last empire.

    blessings
    marianne

  16. The beast rising out of the sea sounds a lot like the,(Law of the Sea), LOST treaty. It is weak as it is young. We would call it the New World Order fully grown.

    I think America will be part of the beast. Our military, along with other countries military will be hard to beat. Already, our Navy wants to have 1000 ship Navy. Ours with other countries. We only have about 280 ships, so at present we might be able to have a 500 ship Navy.

    Whatever happens, the leader of such a union will have great power, and once brought back to life will be indewelled by Lusifer himself. Kind of like the movie superman.

  17. Hi Leatherneck,

    I think whoever is left here will have no choice, but to be part of, or cooperate with, the beast.

    Do you have any thoughts about the contribution of the present presidential candidates to this new system in the future? Since the contribution you are talking about is military strength, the USA leader will have an influence on this.

    complaints about McCain – remain in Iraq and spend too much money on military, depleting the economy.

    statement from Obama – he will cut the US military -on this page (see video):

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/obama-anti-israel-anti-god/

    blessings
    marianne

  18. Obama is a Marxist. Just look at his voting record. McCain is a Washigton insider who would change nothing except allowing more illegal aliens to live here on the sugar tit. The New World Order is about changing the culture, cheap labor, and taking control of the money.

    Just look at Europe. We are almost just like them now. The only thing that stands in the way of the New World Order are those Americans who say their prayers in Christ name, and cling to thier guns.

    That is the short answer.

    I hope you are having a great day.

  19. Dear Leatherneck,

    I think we have reached the point where we need to keep our guns loaded, and our eyes looking up for our Savior to return.

    Oorah
    marianne

  20. It is OK to defend yourself, family, and friends. Christ has told us to love each other, and we should never start the problem. I am confident you would agree.

    As a sheep dog, I am always ready, but I do not want a problem. It is the night time we should be more watchful. Locked doors, rose bushes, and a large dog to alert you to trouble.

    It is better to be judged by 12, than buried by 6. We live on planet earth. It is not Heaven, and I am not Amish or Menninite.

  21. Hi Leatherneck

    I agree. I used to have pit bulls, but they scared the neighbors, so we switched to a border collie.

    If the elections go as predicted in the polls, we can expect a quasi- communistic, or communistic, era to come over this country. “Redistribution of the wealth” is socialistic talk for “take from those who work for their money, and give it to those who stay home.” So why work? Sigh.

    This has already happened in S. AFrica, which is communistic in government. People’s farms are being taken away, and the original farmers killed. Those that take the land do not even know how to farm.

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/reverse-apartheid%E2%80%A6%E2%80%A6south-africa-cries-out-for-help/

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/south-africa-%E2%80%93-the-second-cry-for-help/

    blessings
    marianne

  22. The Hsehmites HAVE returned. With the 10 nation colation in Sharam el Sheik in 2000. This is where the 10 nations under Abdullah II of Jordan rose. 3 dissented, and have as last year been subdued under the Peace Treaty with Israel. Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

  23. http://chn-net.com

  24. HI Pete.

    That is interesting information you gave. Turkey is also growing close to Iran. So Turkey is also assuming a more leading role in Islamic and Western mediation. We need to watch both the very quiet Hashemites, and the Turks now, to see if I am right or wrong.

    http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2008/11/turkeys-relations-with-iran.html

    a few clips from this:

    Nov 2th, 2008- Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyid Erdogan announced his wish for Turkey to be a “mediator between the new Obama administration and Iran”. According to Erdogan, a new era in relations between Turkey, Iran and the U.S. is about to be opened with Obama as the President elect. “We are ready to be the mediator. I do believe we could be very useful..

    , Turkey and Iran have completed talks about investment and gas production. The newspaper wrote: “Despite the strict sanctions for firms investing in energy fields in Iran […], Turkey seems to be determined to continue, and even boost its cooperation with Iran in energy field.” The article also quoted Hilmi Guler saying: “Transferring Iran’s gas to Europe through Turkey is a finalized business deal. The EU needs Iran’s natural gas, and Turkey needs the money it can gain from buying and selling this product.” During the visit of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in August 2008, Turkey and Iran had failed to finalize expected energy deals.

    On August 14, 2008, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad visited Turkey to discuss his country’s nuclear programme and growing bilateral ties with his counterpart President Abdullah Gul. Turkey has offered to help resolve a dispute between Iran and the West over Tehran’s nuclear programme.

    blessings
    marianne

  25. Greetings to everybody,

    It is widely believed even by the famous bible commentators that the third beast of Daniel was the Greek Empire or Alexander the Great and his four generals after him.

    The teaching that this beast refers to Alexander and his four generals as its four heads creates problems. Here are some:
    1. The third beast was given dominion but the Islamic Empire had a much larger dominion.
    2. If you assign either the Roman Empire or the Islamic Caliphates as the fourth beast, where do you fit the other one?
    3. If it’s the Roman Empire as the fourth beast, it would shift Daniel’s vision away from the Middle East during the time of the Holy Roman Empire while another empire is ruling it. Let us remember this fourth beast is the last.

    Surely, there is a problem with these teaching. What is the cause of these errors? Where did it go wrong? In my opinion, the error is in the interpretation of the third beast – its four heads. Do its heads really represent Alexander’s four generals? If we have proven who this third beast was, then we can conclude who’s the fourth.

    Everyone could see the other parts of this article in the link below.

    http://johanansel.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/a-closer-look-at-the-third-beast-of-daniel/

    • HI bebe,

      Well, that definitely is a different viewpoint on that link.

      It said :

      The Heads of the Third Beast of Daniel thus:

      1. Greek empire
      2. Roman
      3. Spanish
      4. USA-Britain.

      How does this fit into the 4th beast? Is it saying the USA?Britain is the 4th beast?

      Remember that the 4 horses in Zechariah are also mention in the book of Revelation for the tribulation. These are active horses, not ones that have died out in history.

      Daniel indicates the beast is of middle east origin. Islam is spread around the world in a global manner, as Muslims migrate to other countries. Both the USA and Britain have withdrawn, or are withdrawing, from the world presence.

      I still think the beast is primarily Grecian, since the the only countries interested in a final conflict with Israel are the Islamic nations, that now reside in the former territories of Greece.

  26. Good day Marianne,

    USA-Britain is the fourth head of the third beast. It is neither the fourth beast nor part of it.

    I agree in your statement “countries interested in a final conflict with Israel are the Islamic nations”. I view them as the fourth beast.

  27. The language of Daniel 2 (in Aramaic) may suggest 5 empires instead of 4. Please see the article http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/roman.html

  28. Hi Marianne,

    I believe it is the United Nations. Have you heard of something called the New World Order? Very interesting and very fitting with Daniel’s Prophecy.

    Honor

  29. There is something you may want to consider on this topic. Almost everyone assumes that when John says:
    ““five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet to come.”
    “And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.”,
    he may not have been referring to his own time but the time in the future when he was watching the events take place. If this is true then it may throw the whole kingdom sequence completely off.
    Remember that Daniel started with Babylon, not Egypt. I believe that John started there as well.
    So when was he when he saw the vision? Well we have to look at history. Daniel actually described 5 kingdoms, not four. His last kingdom was Rome, who conquered the 7previous kingdom, Greece. Then the roman empire dissolved into ten separate kingdoms (horns) plus a little horn (king) that took power and destroyed three of the kingdoms. After Rome fell it became the holy roman empire with the Vatican at the reins. As soon as the Vatican took power it destroyed 3 countries that did not agree with its interpretation of the divinity of Jesus. They were declared heretics and wiped out.
    Daniel said this kingdom would last 3-1/2 prophetic years or 1260 actual years – exactly the duration of the holy roman empire.
    Johns first beast in rev 13 is this kingdom. The Holy Roman Empire is the 5th king in revelation. So what is the 6th king? Well after the Holy Roman Empire was destroyed by napoleon in 1898 what was left was just the Vatican which is both the second beast (from the earth), the 6th king and the whore of Babylon. The false prophet comes from this beast and claims to be Jesus. The pope already claims this distinction by his title Vicar of the son of god. This title in Latin adds up to 666 by the way.
    The Vatican was restored to power by Mussolini in 1929, healing the wound.
    Right now we are in the 6th kingdom. Five have fallen. I believe John was brought to our current time – the time when understanding the prophecy is most important.
    So who is the next kingdom? That will be the revived roman empire – the EU, which becomes official on Jan 1st. That will be the seventh. So we are almost at the end. We do not have to wait for some imaginary Islamic / Turkish empire to be created. There is only the 8th empire left – the revived Holy Roman Empire. Far fetched? It wouldn’t take much pressure from Islamic forces to galvanize Europe and the Vatican into a common power. The pope would gain the power to force the mark of the beast on the European population and to all other countries whose churches are under the religious power of the Vatican.
    That’s my take on it. It is far simpler than other explanations because most of it has already happened. The events follow the kingdoms regardless of their locations. For some reason people want to jump from Rome to the US or Turkey or who knows where in the world rather than keeping with the original one and following it to the end. I don’t think john wanted us to start looking elsewhere and as you can see, there are no gaps in his story. It doesn’t pause in 95 AD in Rome and then resume 2000 years later in a completely different area (still to be determined).
    Check the history books and follow current events. They will lead you the same conclusion.
    You can continue to come up with clever alternatives that seem to fit some pieces of the prophecies but believe me you will still be looking for the fulfillment when Jesus gets here.
    Martin Luther was right that the catholic church is the beast and the pope is the false prophet. History has proved him right. Its not my idea, its been around for 500 years. I find it odd that now that his interpretation has been proven by history, most Protestants have totally forgotten why Protestantism was created in the first place.
    Well I guess conspiracy theories are a lot more fun to talk about compared to a dusty old 5/0 year old idea so all I can do is recommend that you keep my ideas in your back pocket and keep an eye on the news and see what happens, just in case I’m right.
    God bless us, everyone!

  30. I want to continue on my explanation above with a new take. I believe that all of revelation is about God’s church – some call it “spiritual Israel.” The prophecy starts with Babylon where the people of Israel were held in captivity for 70 years. Then the Medes took over and eventually released the Israelites. Then Israel was conquered by Alexander the Great and then his generals. Then they were conquered by Rome as we all know. But now something changes. Christ is born and now the new Christians become the Spiritual Israel as they are called today. So now everything shifts to Rome where the new church is headquartered. But there is a problem. The new church is forced by the roman emperor Constantine to adopt many pagan customs and holidays and it alters the ten commandments and moves the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The pope claims to be god and its priests have power over Jesus and his father during mass and confession. It becomes almost as blasphemous and pagan as Babylon itself and turns into an apostate church. Justinian puts his uncle in charge of the church and the western empire in 538 and the Holy Roman Empire is born. The Vatican destroys three countries (the Heruli, Visigoths and Ostrogoths) and persecutes all other heretic churches that reject the paganism of the roman church. These true churches have to go into hiding until the Holy Roman Empire is over – in 1898. It took 1260 years or 3-1/2 prophetic years or 42 prophetic months. Then the church was wounded but eventually recovered in 1929. All this is in the history books and it matches rev 13 perfectly. In fact, if you go back to rev 12, it tells the same story – the woman represents a pure church. At first she seems to be Israel but then she gives birth to a man child who ascends to his throne in heaven – Jesus, and Christianity is born and now the woman is a Christian church. But not the roman church. She is the church that must flee to the wilderness for 3-1/2 prophetic years – 1260 actual years. She is hiding from the Holy Roman Empire. Later in revelation we see that the whore of Babylon (apostate church) will be destroyed. Do you really think that church is the church of Istanbul? Why does God tell his people to come out of that church? Are his people Muslims? He is no more concerned about Islam than he is Buddhism or Hinduism. Besides, Islam will be punished in the war of Gog, long before the second coming.
    No, I’m afraid all of revelation is about Christianity. The beast, the false prophet (there is no Antichrist in Daniel or revelation) are all coming from within, not elsewhere.

  31. Marianne,
    I checked out your detailed description but the problem is that it is all based on the false assumption that fourth beast of Daniel 7:19 is a combination of Rome and Greece just because the word brass was used to describe the fingernails. That is a huge assumption on your part. And remember that the statue had a chest and arms (and nails) of silver which represented Medo-Persia, not Greece. So the use of the word brass can not automatically be associated with Greece. Plus a roman-grecian combination empire never existed so Daniel would be wrong, according to your theory.
    And in Rev. 13 1-4 the beast is described as a conglomeration of Babylon, Persia and Greece – all absorbed by the roman empire. Why did John mention this? It was to confirm the next part of revelation – the whore of Babylon. He wanted to show how the paganism of Babylon was transferred to all the successive empires including Rome. Otherwise he would have to have called her the whore of Rome and his Roman jailers would have destroyed his writing if he had dissed Rome. Plus the main paganism (Baal worship and the false messiah, Tammuz) came from Babylon. He is making it clear as to what he wants to destroy when he returns. If he was going to come for the Muslims he would not have hinged his whole prophesy on the word “brass.”
    John knew who the woman was and where her church was located. I doubt he even knew that Istanbul would be built on seven hills, but he knew that Rome was. And he had to be careful not to mention Rome by name, thus the 7 hills reference. I’m sure he regrets the inconvenience and confusion that it caused, but he had no choice.

    According to Rev. 12 :
    And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

    This is the same time as Daniel uses in Dan. 7-25:
    And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
    Also Rev. 13-5 says:
    And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

    We know that a day is a year in prophecy so 3-1/2 years (42 months) here means 1260 years in real time. (Not 2000 years). Either this is true or both Daniel and john were just screwing with us. Once you finally come to this realization you will see that your theory falls apart. Since for you, Rev. 13 has not yet happened, the beast that will have authority for 1260 years is not here yet. That puts the second coming off for well over a thousand years.

    And here is another thing you need to explain.

    Rev. 13-11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

    Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

    OK, we have the second beast appearing to be Christ, the lamb and he causes all to worship the first beast. Would a Muslim appear as Jesus? And would a fake Jesus try to get Christians to worship an Islamic first beast? And would you be impressed by a Muslim performing miracles? Has that ever even happened? So the beast is going to turn the whole world Islamic under sword point? Is the US going to cave in under such pressure?
    I’m sorry but you have to toss out 90% of scripture to get your theory to make sense. While you might be more up to date and more clever than Martin Luther et. al. but I doubt you are better at interpreting the bible. I would give him some credit and re-examine the words again with an open mind. See what does or does not jive with each interpretation. Score them and see what you come up with. Use some math, not just your imagination. See what happens.
    Have a merry holiday!
    Jim

    • james

      The issue of “who is the beast?” is very complicated. As this is Christmas, my mind is elsewhere. I am swamped daily with about 50-75 emails or comments, and each one takes time. Please re-pose this issue in a few days. I understand your viewpoint. It is the most prevalent view, from what I can tell.

      • at lest prevailent doesn’t mean true… there are more arguements against the european antichrist theory that for it if people would only read the prophets and revelation.

  32. FINALLY!!! i’ve been waiting for something like this! Actually, if you talk to any converted Muslim, they tell you the antichrist will come out of turkey and the wounded head is a courty coming back. SAtan does not hold the power to life, therefore the antichrist may not be raised from the dead. some of these people forget that prophecy if for the FUTURE and has no relation to was is, but what will be. Prophecies I’ve gotten in dreams I never could have seen and still can’t see coming true. THose Muslim terrorists are the TRUE Muslims. THEY know the Muslim books inside and out, they have to read them, and that is why they do what they do. THe US is one of the countries that figths the Antichrist and his kingdom. THe final battle in Revelation has the people who oppose the Antichrist’s rule, angels, and all those who were raptured in their spiritual bodies. How big is the whole Middle EAst united under one muslim ruler? only a Muslim will be able to negociate the peace for the MUSLIMS to agree. Some of you people need to find out more about islam, because you obviously belive it is peaceful. It was build on waring tribes and clans, how can it be peaceful and please them? You think all the fighting between Muslims of the same sect is abnormal? no. it is not. (I have no problem with the people, just what they believe.)

  33. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=republic-of-fear-2010-03-12

    Turkey as the “Republic of Fear”

  34. Hi Marianne,

    Something to ponder is that John’s Revelation is a very holy writing in the form of a parable. On the one side, you can see the history and prophecy relative to GODLY matters, and on the other you can read it to see mankinds’ and earthly perspective. Obviously, revelation has many referneces to the fornications of Jews (Christians) with Rome and political consequences thereof, however, as a parable, it also tells of the actual struggle between good & evil, GOD & Satan, what has occured & what will happen, from Satan & 1/3 of the angels being cast from heaven to Satan’s final end. Both ways to read and interpret the parable are important because they help interpret each other. With regards to the latter interpretations of the parable, I would like to make just a few random comments as follows:
    (1) In Genisus, when Satan was thrown out of the GARDEN, GOD told Satan that “…HE will wound your head, and you will be crushed by HER hill.” (Yes…HER!!!; this is a refernece to Mary & Jesus)
    (2) John in Revelation includes a story of Satan’s activities, knowing (1) above, of Satan chasing Mary to kill her, Jesus being killed by Satan (he thought) and so on.
    (3) John points out that Mary evaded Satan’s pursuit to the point he got so mad at her that he gave up his pursuit of her to attack the church.
    (4) John points out that Mary has a crown in glory…Mary has control of 12 Angels, the Angels of the Churches.
    (5) The beast, Satan (an imposter or likeness of Satan) has a motally wounded head that he acquired by both being cast from heaven and the great wound from the resurection of CRIST JESUS from his attempt to kill HIM, as well as the INTERVENTION OF GOD.
    (6) GOD will put HIS MARK on HIS OWN and they will be protected by HIM, while Satan’s worshipers will have his mark and be recognised as such.
    (7) The 666 and 616 are not bad numbers, but were either pointing to practice of some Jews (Christians) bowing to pagan leaders (against GOD’s WORD & WILL) such as those of Rome, etc., AS ONE PARABLE READING; or refering, as Marianne demonstrated, to the ancient Hebrew and that the number(s) represent the Mark and the hook that pierces (Satan is the one who will snare or hook his followers and do so by piercing them…worship or die); while in contrast GOD puts HIS MARK on HIS OWN and they are protected by HIM…these desire this Mark unto death (sleep) and receive eternal life in return.
    (8) John asked he or she with understanding to calculate the NUMBER of the beast, not the likeness a man with a number already given, to reveal the mark of Satan. So it will be quite obvious to the 144,000 who the beasts are. On the other hand, the parable points out that you can identify the beasts, including anti-christs, by what they do & say, however, the beast anti-christ described as boasting to have authority and powers greater than CHRIST JESUS and able to send fire from heaven is either Satan himself or a likeness thereof.

    GOD always Blesses…John

    • hi john

      I had a thought while reading your comment 1 & 5. Gen says that the seed of the woman would crush and wound the head of the serpent, and then we see in revelation the Antichrist with a mortally wounded head that “heals.”

      The Christian world is waiting to identify the Antichrist by a wound to the head that heals. But, this wound occurred 2000 years ago.

      I think the best way to identify the beast – Antichrist – is to see if his behavior resembles Satan’s. The wound to the head is a past issue, although it may be repeated in a false way , to show that the Antichrist can recover from what God does to him.

  35. Hi Marianne,

    With respect for your remark, comment (1) Gen has various interpretations. The one correct to me is that the second use of “he” was “she” (or hers vs his)…to answer for your self…again you must go to the early scriptures and their use of masculine and feminine words. Secondly, Satan’s early wounds were healed by his success in recruiting followers and support of his angels. If you see Satan in the future with a wounded head that heals, or if the wounded head of Satan’s clone is healed, it would take a back seat to what you see in countless movies today (in addition, dracula is now a romantic, aliens are probably more ugly, anti-Christs abound). Everyone would just say they saw better than that in old time movies. To repeat, I was saying Gen says Satan’s head will be crushed by Mary’s heel (or “she will crush your head with her heel” if you prefer)…beg your pardon in (1) that’s “HEEL” not “hill” which is why John said that Satan was trying to kill her. John also says Mary is the head of the Angels of the Churches by interpreting her crown of 12 stars, etc.), more reason why Satan was trying to kill her. Satan really did not exactly like Mary & Jesus. Also note that when Satan & his angels were cast from Heaven, he immediately seeks Mary as John writes it. Bye for now…John

  36. Hi Marianne,

    I must clarify that one BIBLE quote for GENESIS 3:15 reads as follows:

    “15. I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed. She shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.”

    The footnote on “she shall crush” noted that this refered to the woman, and that it was by her seed, “Jesus Christ” that the woman crushes the serpent’s head.

    Other BIBLEs have led to an interpretation that “he will wound your head and you will wait to be crushed by his heel”, or “he will wound your head, and your head shall be crushed by her heel’. There are quite a few other possibilities and interpretations…I prefer the following:

    “…He will wound your head, and you will lie in wait to be crushed by Her heel.” This would have a footnote noting, Jesus will wound the head of Satan (which was done later at His resurection) and that Satan would then lie in wait to be crushed by Mary’s heel (which meant Satan would have to wait and hide because he could not seek out Mary, and Satan would have to wait for Mary to be crowned in heaven with 12 stars- Mary would be placed in charge of the 12 angels of the churches…after this period of waiting Mary’s heel would crush Satan’s head. It follows that “Mary’s heel” refers to the three: Mary, and the twelve angels and churches in Her charge. This interpretation fits John’s writings in Revelation and is more fully correct in my opinion than the myriad of others. Note also, that GOD and Jesus gave Mary Her crown. GOD Blesses…John

  37. In Search of the “Revived Roman Empire Beast” … the 7th and 8th Kingdoms of Revelation 17 and 18

    So many times the Book of Daniel is not thought through well enough, especially when comparing it to the Book of Revelation. In Daniel 2 and 7, we must see what the text is really indicating. The 4th beast and the 2 legs of iron are indeed “ancient Rome” centered, but it is not Rome as in the Vatican; it is Rome as in strictly Italy (Western Empire/Rome and Eastern Empire/Constantinople, Turkey; or, the 2 legs of iron).

    The original Roman Empire was Italian-Roman only; but after 325 AD, it was split in two, when the Roman Emperor Constantine left Rome and set up his new headquarters in Istanbul (Constantinople), Turkey. Before that, Constantine had made the “ruling pagan sect” of Cybele priests; a totally Gnostic-infiltrated group of self-called Christians (in Rome) the “official” State Religion (in Rome). That group went on to become today’s Roman Catholic Church.

    When Emperor Constantine left Rome, the Rome-based Cybeles simply “usurped authority” over all Christendom in Rome, and did it all under the “false doctrine” known as the “Constantine Donation” … a doctrine that was not only a lie, it has been found to be so, historically. Supposedly the Emperor (when he left for Constantinople, Turkey), had left the Cybeles in-charge of all State Religion; and when Christendom was finally accepted in the Empire, these Cybeles were already in the driver’s seat. They proceeded to print out the “Latin Vulgate” (purposely printed in [educated] Latin, so that all the [uneducated] people, in all the kingdoms that were under Roman authority, would remain hopelessly in the dark, as to what God had actually said in the original Biblical text). Later, Martin Luther, himself a German-Catholic priest, translated many of the Latin Vulgate passages, and found the “real” and “hidden truths” about “True Christianity”… and the rest as they say, is history.

    Today, those same Cybeles remain the “Religious and Military Rulers” over ALL the kings of the earth (all global Heads-of-State “MUST VISIT” the Pope, and do so at the Vatican; to get their “marching orders” at the beginning of their tenure in office; or, face the wrath of the Vatican). Today, these same Cybeles are shrouded under the guise of “purple” (Bishops) and “scarlet” (Cardinals and Popes), carrying a “golden cup” (a Chalice) in her hand, and riding a “7-headed Beast” (the UN-G7 Nations) that are “attached” to a “Scarlet (Red) Beast Body” (the Rothschild and the Black Nobility; who “collectively” own the IMF-IIF-Bank of England-Bank of London-Central Banks-the Federal Reserve/the FED; and also own upwards of 750 Trillion U.S. Dollars in Gold Bullion alone; while the rest of the world collectively own only 150 Trillion U.S. Dollars in Gold Bullion; thus the saying is true, “He who has the Gold, rules.”) … and the “Harlot” that rides (that is associated with) the “Scarlet (Red) Beast” is neatly packaged as today’s Vatican, and it’s church “assassins/CIA military enforcers,” the Jesuit-P2 Illuminati and the SMOM/Freemasons.

    You can read it all in Revelation chapters 17 and 18. Roman Catholicism is the “Mother Harlot” of Revelation 17 and 18. She is called the “Mother” because from her, came ALL post-Resurrection Religions that call themselves Christian. From Cybele-Gnostic-Catholicism, came forth the Protestant Reformation. From the Protestant Reformation, came forth all of the “other harlots” … like the anti-Baptists, Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Trinitarians, Quakers, Shakers, Mormons, JW’s, 7th Day Adventists, etc., etc. – (all religions are “harlots”) – they don’t serve God in Truth, they serve themselves in lies; and today, those lies have come full circle, to become the Biblical Laodician church of the “End Times” … all of the apostate (so-called Christian) churches worldwide.

    The Cybeles were an ancient pagan priesthood that were first ordained by Queen Semiramis of Babylon, the evil wife and Queen of the equally evil Babylonian (Biblical/Genesis) King Nimrod. The Cybeles were the “State Religion” in Babylon. When Alexander the Great (the “Greek Goat” of Daniel) sacked Babylon, the Cybeles left for Israel and Jordan (to Petra); then, when the Roman Empire sacked Israel for the final time in 135 AD, by (the Roman) Hadrian, the Cybeles left for Egypt. Later they migrated from Egypt to the Basque country of Spain; and finally, to Rome itself. While in Spain, in the Basque country, the Cybele priesthood picked up again on the worshipping of their “mother goddess” Cybele; but this time, there was a different twist; they incorporated the local worshipping of the pagan “spring goddess” of the Basque people; a so-called “beautiful lady” or “our lady” that would appear each spring, hovering on a cloud, engulfed in brilliant sunlight, and appearing over a small bush, or a small tree; there, she would speak to the “chosen locals” and tell them about maintaining their worship to her, in return for much needed information on the fertility of both humans and animals, crops, rain, wars, death, famines, pestilences, and her divine protection over them; all given by her, in return for their worship “of” her.

    In Israel and Jordan, they were the pagan Bel-Baal-Dagon worshipping priesthood shown to us in the Bible. “Bel” stems from the Tower of Ba-bel, and is another name for Satan; as is Baal, and Dagon (Bel and Dagon had the head of a fish and the body of a man). God, Elijah, and Samson, all dealt with this pagan group in the Bible. This Cybele priesthood was distinguished by the “fish-head” hats they wore; the hats resembled a fish with an open mouth. Those hats had two “hanging tassels” in back (gills?); today, they are called “Miters.” During their worship services, these priests carried “blessings pots” with “scared water” for ritual cleansing; and the water was “sprinkled” on the people and statues with “tassle brushes.”

    These priests can be easily found if you do a search on the Cybeles; they were a priesthood that was “specifically tied to the Ruling State Royalty”… Cybele herself was a “mother goddess” of fertility; she had a “god-child” that supposedly came down from heaven, named Tamuz; and since she was the “mother” of this so-called “god-child,” she was worshipped by these pagan priests as both the “mother of god” and as the “queen of heaven.” They also taught their followers to make little flat “worship cakes” with her image on them; today, these little flat cakes would be called a communion “wafer.” These priests were misleading some rebellious anti-God Jews that were living in Egypt. This can all be referenced in the Book of Jeremiah, chapter 44:13-19.

    The Cybele priesthood was extremely loyal to their goddess; they even chose to remain “celibate” during their tenure in the priesthood. The word “Celibate” comes from the word Cybele.

    Their Cybele priest “stone carvings” can be found on the stone “burial coffins” of the ancient Babylonian Kings. The Cybeles also had their “scared worship poles” that they used during their worship services. In the Bible, those “stone worship poles” are referred to as the Ashtaroths. You can read about this priesthood in (1st Samuel 6:2). Then read about the Cybele-Baal-Dagon worshippers and their “Obelisk Poles” (called Ashtaroths) in (1st Samuel 7:1-4).

    So today, how does this ALL play out, and come together? Well, first we must find the “Revived Roman Empire.” The original ancient Roman Empire was never defeated like all the other major Empires of Daniel’s “Statue Vision Interpretation;” so we can find this new “Revived Roman Empire” by using both Biblical and Secular History. The two feet of the Daniel “Statue Vision” is still part of the ancient Roman Empire (the 2 legs of iron); but now, we have the 2 feet of clay (Clay: the “rest of humanity” that was never part of the “original” Roman Empire) and iron (Iron: the actual ancient Roman Empire).

    Now, because of ALL the different religions today verses then, there will be a problem bringing ALL religions totally into a “one belief system” … but they “will all be forced” to exist under a “one governmental” (of the Antichrist), and “one religion” (of the false prophet)” … but, they will be at “constant” odds; thus, never mixing totally; clay and iron don’t mix. Also, the ancient Roman Empire was a “fascist dictatorship” so we must look for both “fascists” and a “dictatorship” … and while looking for this, remember that the Book of Revelation and the Book of Daniel must be exactly matched; so here goes…

    The final Analysis:

    1. Check out pictures of the room where the U.S House meets; on either side of the speaker’s podium; you will notice the “Fascis” symbols on either side. A Fascis symbol is a bundle of “beating sticks” and an “axe.” It was used by the “Elite” Roman leadership (the Roman “Senate,” the “Senators”), to administer punishment on the masses, as they (the “Senators”), walked throughout the streets of the City of Rome, escorted by their “body-guards.” If your crime was a misdemeanor, the punishment was lighter, and you would get whipped with one of the “fascis sticks”… but, if your crime was grave, you simply got “axed”… or, beheaded, with the “fascis axe.” We know Biblically, that the Antichrist kingdom will also involve beheadings.

    2. Check out close-up pictures of the U.S. Capitol Building where the “Senate” and “House” meet. Look at the Exterior Dome closely; there is a statute of (supposedly) “Our Lady” Liberty; it truth, the statue is of the goddess Cybele; you can definitively know that by her “heavy and beaded” robe (it is not as they try to tell you, an Indian robe at all, it is the robe of Cybele. “Our Lady” Liberty wears a Roman helmet, and on her chest are the letters Big “U” and little “s” … do not be confused, this is not U.S. … it stands for “US” … it is a Illuminati symbol for “them.” The symbology is even greater in that statue, but I’ll stop there.

    3. Now, look at the Exterior Dome upon which (supposed) “Our Lady” Liberty stands; look closely; there are “Fascis Bundles” all around the Dome. Also the U.S. National Symbol is the “Eagle”… but not just any “Eagle”… it is a Roman Eagle. Ancient Rome also had as its symbol, the Eagle.

    4. The “Hill” where the U.S. Capitol Building sits upon is called “Capitol Hill;” the ancient Roman Senate Building sat upon “Capitoline Hill.”

    5. Ancient Rome was led by the so-called “Elites.” Today, the U.S. is led by the same so-called “Elites.”

    6. An ancient iconic symbol for the Cybeles was the Ashtaroths; aka: the “stone” Obelisk Poles … see ancient Babylon, ancient Petra (Jordan), ancient Israel, and ancient Egypt. Now see modern New York City, Washington, DC, London, and Vatican/Rome … The Cybeles all had Ashtaroths; the pagan Obelisk Poles in their midst, in the heart of their Cities … now, see those same Ashtaroths; the pagan Obelisk Poles, in every “Power City” of the world; the Vatican is a City, a State, and a Country, all in one.

    7. All of those modern Cities are also ruled by the “Mother Harlot” (she is over all the kings of the earth); and the 7-headed Scarlet Beast (the Rothschild Financial Power and Money). These “two beasts” rule the entire earth; politically (through the UN-New World Order); governmentally (through the Jesuit P2-Illuminati/SMOM Freemasons); financially (through the monetary funds of the IMF/Rothschild/Black Nobility) and commercially (through the Rothschild/Vatican/UCC – Uniform Commercial Code).

    8. The City of the “Great Harlot” is built upon the area of 7 (Roman) Hills. The “premier area” of the U.S. Government and Law is also called “the Hill,” and “Our Lady Liberty” indicates that she is indeed Roman as well. Also, the U.S. is the leader of the G7 (New Revived Roman) Nations.

    9. In the Book of Revelation, in chapter 17, we are told that the 7 hills are also 7 kings (who rule, and will rule, over 7 kingdoms); but we must be very careful; the Bible was given “to” the Jews; penned “by” the Jews (except Luke); and was primarily “for” the Jews first, then to the Gentiles; so all these Kingdoms in Daniel and Revelation have to be the 7 world kingdoms that were, and are involved, with the nation of Israel. Daniel speaks of 4 of them (the 4 Beasts); Babylon, Medeo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. But in the Book of Revelation, it is much more expanded; so now, we also have to have “Egypt” (who made slaves of the nation of the Hebrews, circa 1880-1450 BC); and “Assyria” (who took captive the 10 northern Tribes of Israel, circa 700-600 BC); and “Babylon” (who took captive the 2 Tribes of Judah and Ephraim, circa 586 BC); and “Medo-Persia” (who ruled over the Tribes of Judah and Ephraim, after the Medes and Persians conquered Babylon, circa 560-516 BC); and Hellenistic “Greece” (who ruled over Israel, circa 400-37 BC); and “Rome” (who ruled over Israel, circa 37 BC-135 AD). We know that God only deals with the “Major World Empires,” so in the Book of Revelation, John the apostle is saying that “5 were (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece; are now gone, in 90-95 AD when he was writing this), 1 is (Rome was currently the Ruling Empire), and 1 is to come (Revived Roman Empire; the United States). Now, the Bible says in Revelation17, that the 7th kingdom would come in “the future” (future from when John received the actual revelation, circa 90-95 AD); it says that the 7th kingdom would last for only a “short while” (the U.S is only 235 years old; and in 2009, its “full and total sovereignty” was signed over to the New World Order-United Nations; so the 7th kingdom is technically done); then is says that the 7th king (of the 7th kingdom), would “himself” (this same 7th king person) also be an 8th king. Here is something that the Black Nobility already decided in 1983, when it decided on choosing a 22 year old college student; telling him that he would not only be a “future” U.S President, he would also be the “future” 9th United Nations Secretary General. In Jewish Gem atria, the number 9 is used to indicate the Antichrist personage; so being the 9th United Nations Secretary General is indeed interesting. That was 28 years ago; today, that same college student is 50 years old, and according to them, he will be the 9th United Nations Secretary General; Ban Ki Moon is the current and 8th United Nations Secretary General. Now here is some unbelievable information I stumbled across while I was doing an “End Times” research paper. The ancient “Old World Order” in Babylon, had as its iconic figure, the Tower of Babel; it was also the seat of a One-World Government; and a One-World Religion; and its King was named “Nimrod.” Today, the United Nations is the seat of the “New World Order,” and it is their goal to have a One-World Government and a One-World Religion; and, their iconic figure, is an “unfinished” Tower of Babel; and here is the “real kicker” … the person that will be its 9th United Nations Secretary General, already has been given his CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) nickname; and that name CFR nickname is “Nimrod.”

    Biblical history buffs all know that the “Old World Order” was satanically empowered; so, can we prove that same empowerment today? Well, let’s let the United Nations speak for itself; here is a quote from the year 2000, by a person named David Spangler; a former Director of the United Nations “Planetary Commission” (this is Code for a Commissioned Group that was setup at the UN, to completely oversee a UN “proposed and supposed” (future) “Alien Invasion.”

    (Quote): “NO ONE will enter the New World Order, unless he (or she) ‘makes a pledge’ to worship Lucifer; and NO ONE will enter the New Age, unless he (or she) ‘undergoes’ a Luciferian Inititation.” (End-Quote)

    FINALLY: The New World Order is “Code” for a One-World Government; and the New Age is “Code” for a One-World Religion.

    The Bible gives us all the information we need … what we choose to do with “that” Truth, is up to each individual.

  38. Well said, Rob
    Matt. 6:24

  39. Rob
    If all the churches, catholic, methodist, baptist, quakers…. are “harlots”, what church are Christians to be involved in? And are there Christians amongst those Harlots?

    jj

  40. Thank You: Acts 8:29-31

  41. Hi JJ:
    Great question, actually NONE, but let me make some points for you. Remember what Jesus said, “Pick up your cross (your daily troubles, your load), and follow Me.” He never said “Pick up your cross (your daily troubles, your load), and follow them.”

    Let me give you a clear example using the Book of Revelation, and the End Times Church of Rome headquarters that God Himself is going to fully destroy. In the comment I gave previously, I mentioned the description God gives about “this specific” End Times “so-called” Christian group; she was dressed in purple and scarlet; carrying a golden cup in her hand; riding on the 7-headed “Scarlet Beast” with 10 horns. God also pins-points her exact headquarters location; a City on 7 hills (only Rome fits that bill today); now let me give you a News Story from 2009 that ties this all for you; (because this “this specific” group has already read God’s coming judgment on her for all her evil ways):

    “The Vatican’s Hidden Jerusalem Agenda”- By Ron Fraser, Columnist: March 16, 2009 — The Meat of the Story was this: the Vatican is going to move its entire “headquarters” from Rome to Jerusalem very soon; actually, as soon as the UN signs (and finalizes) the soon upcoming pseudo “Peace Plan” (maybe as early as Sept 20th?); the Vatican is involved “big time” in that Peace Plan (it is the Annapolis Peace Treaty; the Bible says that it will be confirmed by the Antichrist person; to “confirm” simply means that “someone else” wrote and put it together; then, this “other person” will be the real “enforcer and signatory.” We already know (historically) that our former president put it all together; and that our current president is the only person that is authorized by the UN, the Quartet, the EU, the Vatican, and the Rothschild; to be both the “enforcer and signatory,” on behalf of the UN’s-New World Order. So, continuing, the Vatican already knows that when that happens, God is going to commence His judgment on her shortly afterwards; so she has been “secretly” getting ready for years now; thinking she will somehow “fool” God. Her departure to Jerusalem (once it is declared an International UN City under the Annapolis Treaty, and Jerusalem and Israel are split), will all be accomplished through a very dark and secretive Treaty called “The Fundamental Agreement between the Holy See and the State of Israel,” which the Israeli government signed with the Vatican, on Dec. 30, 1993; this can be easily found online if you would like to read more about it. Anyway, in the Book of Revelation, Chapter 18, verse 4, God is talking (through His Angel) to all the “True Christians” that will be members of “this specific” religious group in the End Times. God says, “Come out of her, My people, so that you will not participate in her sins, and receive of her plagues.” Another way to read this would be “Come out of her, all my “True Christian children,” so that you will not participate in her evil ways, her idolatry, her heretical practices, her dark and un-Christian doctrines, etc., and receive of her coming punishments from Me (God).”

    Also, in fairness to Catholics whom I dearly love and pray for; many other so-called “mainline” Christian denominations are also becoming more and more heretical, and un-Christian in their teachings and beliefs as well; and God also warns us about these “apostate Christian (religions and denominations) churches” as well.

    Did you know that 87% of the people in America claim to be Christians? If that were actually true, would we have the Country we have today? We would be more like it was during the “Founding of America” … so, what went wrong? The answer can be found in the book called “The Committee of 300’s Plan for Humanity (1970 Edition).” Here is a quote I found from that book; the statement should horrify every “True Christian, and every “True American.” Here you go: “The Committee of 300’s Plan for Humanity (1970 Edition)” — “Their Plan” for the rest of us non-elite scum. — (the “quotations marks” were added by me for emphasis and clarifying their points)
    (Quote): The “myriads” of “useless eaters” consuming “scarce natural resources” are to be “removed.” Industrial progress “supports” population growth and “jobs for the middle class,” and we must “rid ourselves” of that. Therefore the command to multiply and subdue the earth found in the Book of Genesis “must be overthrown.” This calls for an “all-out attack” upon “Christianity;” the “slow but sure disintegration” of “all industrial nations;” the “destruction of hundreds of millions of people,” referred to as “surplus population,” and the “removal of any world leader,” by any means, who “dares to stand in the way” of the Committee’s “global planning” to reach the Committee’s objectives. Not that the United States government hasn’t known; as it was, “it is part of the conspiracy,” it has helped keep the lid on information, rather than “let the truth be known.” Queen Elizabeth II is the Head of the Committee of 300. The Committee of 300 looks to “social convulsions on a global scale,” followed by “austere depressions,” as a “softening-up technique” for bigger things to come, as its “principal method of creating masses of people all over the world” who “will become” its State “welfare slaves” of the future. (End Quote)

    You just finished reading that horrific quotation above; and again, this is all easily found online, it’s nothing mysterious or well hidden from the public eye; but surely now you have a “better understanding” as to why this Country is headed quickly towards its complete demise as a nation; because it has allowed itself to become an un-Godly nation. It is said [paraphrased], “In order for evil to prevail, it only requires that good men do nothing.” In their “Plan for Humanity” above, you can easily see things like the reason behind Christian (denomination) apostasy (they are being infiltrated [and paid handsomely] by the Vatican P2-Jesuits to turn from true Christianity, and accept the ongoing New World Order’s “Revisionist Christianity” instead; you can see Roe vs. Wade; the new Obama-care Bill [which most people have no clue what it is going to do; but they will, starting in 2012; things that have absolutely nothing to do with healthcare]; you can also see in the quotation above, the need for many “yearly false flag” Flu scares and Flu shots; the never ending toxic high altitude Chemical-trails; the ever evil Eugenics Movement; new Government paid Abortions; ongoing infanticide (over 50 million and counting since 1970’s alone; and in the U.S. alone); you can see the “well planned” UN-US-IMF caused Economic Collapse of all world nations; and the “permanent loss” of all Industries and Jobs in America (and they are never coming back either, believe me); you can see the destruction of the U.S. Dollar; the fast-tracking towards a Cashless Society; IMF-Banking SDR’s; the REAL-ID’s and the eventual “Mark;” the invasive TSA pat-downs; the totally fraudulent War on Terrorism (especially once you know that it was the CIA [in the 1970’s] that actually founded, trained, and financed al-Queda and the Taliban; all via the Vatican’s Jesuit P2-Illuminati (aka: the CFR-Freemason-Illuminati-CIA); and, as far as being a Christian nation, we started leaving that behind around 1910, and went into a “full downward spiral” about 25 years ago.

    Today, as a so-called Christian nation, we are roughly 80% apostate in regards to True Christianity. This might also shock you, and others as well; but most so-called Christians and many so-called (leading) Christian Denominations actually teach and believe that there are many ways to God and Heaven; that Jesus is not the only way; that Jesus is not God; that Jesus didn’t really rise from the Dead; that Jesus couldn’t have possibly been born of a virgin; that Mary can be considered a co-Redeemer; that confessing to another human being is okay, rather than going directly to God the Father, through His Son Jesus; that everyone dies and goes to Heaven either directly, or eventually, after they are cleansed and forgiven in a place of temporary torment; and that there are “no absolutes” … to which I always counter by asking, “Are you absolutely sure?” You see JJ, ALL these claims are clearly satanic and heretical in nature; they are also anti-Christian; un-Biblical, and only serve to direct people that believe and follow “those” teachings and beliefs, straight to Hell.

    My point is not to accuse Catholics though; what I state about Catholics is easily found Biblically and historically to be true; this is merely God’s opinion I’m relating herein; just like the dark groups I’ve mentioned; I’m not making that stuff up; it is coming from their own writings, I’m merely relating that data, and how it relates to both the Bible and the End Times; and, all the other so-called denominations are just as guilty of this practice as well; some worse than others.

    So, what I really intended to be a short answer, has instead become long (and I’m truly sorry for that) … so now, back to your original questions:

    “If all the churches, Catholic, Methodists, Baptists, and Quakers … are all “harlots”, what church are Christians to be involved in? And are there Christians amongst those Harlots?

    First and foremost, the term “Christian churches” should never be confused with the terms “religions and denominations” because God instituted one, man instituted the other; and they are very much at odds, one with the other; especially in this modern day and age. All of the religions and denominations we know today are man-made; while the “True Christian church” (aka: the True followers of Jesus Christ), was started, and is also maintained to this day, by God Himself (through His Son, Jesus).

    In short, “Man came up with religion, in order to try to connect and communicate with an invisible God.” But the Bible teaches that God knows the heart, and Jesus said, “My sheep (My Christians children) know Me; they hear My voice, and they obey Me.”

    That is why when Jesus said to Nicodemus in John 3:1-7 “You must be born again,” Jesus wasn’t just making a statement; in the Greek text of the New testament, those 7 verses are chock full of “absolutes.” Two very notable ones are (A) If a person is not “born again” [spiritually born again], that person cannot “see the kingdom of God” [aka: understand the Scriptures; the Bible of God]; and (B) If a person is not “born again” [spiritually born again], that person cannot “enter the kingdom of God” [aka: enter into; or go to Heaven].

    The Bible makes it clear to ALL Christians, “We are to walk by ‘Faith’ (aka: in whom we place all our Trust in; Jesus) and NOT by ‘Sight’ (not by what we see happening around us; because that might scare us; God promises to always protect His own);” and remember too, “Faith” is not to be confused like many do, with the term religion; Biblical “Faith” is “Full Trust” and “Full Belief” … “Trust” and “Belief” is to be placed upon “someone,” rather than in “something”… and in the case of a “True Christian’s” life, that would ONLY be in JESUS. Jesus said, “I will never leave you, nor forsake [abandon] you.” And again Jesus said, “I will be with you always, even until the end of the age.”

    So with that in mind, we can fully know that our daily and eternal walk with Christ is not dependent on religions and denominations. When Jesus died on the Cross, he tore open the Great Curtain in the Temple, so no longer would we need a middle-man, or a high priest to speak on our behalf to God the Father. The Bible says, Jesus is our ONLY High Priest, and our ONLY Intercessor, between God and Man … so that clearly tosses out religions and denominations; but for some reason, man can’t seem to “believe”… unless he can see, touch, hold, or fixate on something physical.

    Yet, all we need to do is drop to our knees, confess all our sins to God the Father [in Jesus’ name], ask God the Father for His forgiveness; ask Him to cleanse you with the Precious Blood of the Lamb [Jesus]; tell Him you truly repent [turn away from your sins; once you were doing thus and such; but today, you have made a personal choice to turn and walk away from all that, and to walk with you Jesus; then ask Jesus to have the Holy Spirit come live inside your heart from this day forward; and to write your name in the Lamb’s book of life. When you do that, if you truly meant it before God, the Bible declares that you have NOW passed from Death and Hell, and total separation from God; into Life eternal and Heaven, and in complete communion “with” God; and you have gone from being lost, un-Saved, un-born again and Hell bound, to being Saved, born again, and “absolutely” Heaven bound. Salvation is not “rocket science,” but man, religion, and denominations have placed unholy barricades that redirect man away from God, rather than towards God.

    So first, become born again; next asked God to teach you, and direct your life every day [He takes that very seriously]; He will even direct you to a good and Godly Christian Bible group, even a Godly Christian church [which only means, a Christian gathering of fellow believers]. Once you know the Truth Jesus said; “That Truth [of God] will make [set] you free.” Why? Because once you know the Truth, the right way, all of the deceivers and liars are shown to you by the Holy Spirit … He will open your eyes, and you will see “Man’s Religious and Denominational Errors” for what they truly are.

    So you asked, are there Christians amongst those “harlots” … absolutely; but the “True Christians” will know when they are being lied to, and just as God stated to the “True Christians” that will be found in ALL of the apostate religions and denominations in the End Times … “Come out of her My people [out of them, religions, and denominations].” I am surely not going to tell anyone where they should, or must fellowship with other Christians; I’m merely a servant of God Most High, but I will say this; the non-denominational Calvary Chapels across America are good Biblical groups and teachers.

    Like Calvary Chapel Sr. Pastors Chuck Smith, Costa Mesa, CA; David Rosales, Chino CA; Raul Ries, Diamond Bar, CA; Jack Hibbs, Chino Hills, Skip Hietzig, Albuquerque, NM; Greg Laury, Riverside, CA; Bob Coy; Ft. Lauderdale, FL; CA; Mike MacIntosh, San Diego CA; just to name a few; and there other True Christians across America; you only need the LORD’s discernment and guidance, and you too will flourish as God leads you; take care fellow Christians; the time is indeed near, even at the door. Beware of the times that we are living in; lead many to Christ, for the days are getting shorter.

    You can see that the “enemy” is everywhere around us; how much closer is He who will take us out of all this, before it all finishes collapsing like a house of cards.

    Here is a very good link to Calvary Radio and TV broadcasts; I don’t know the States that all the readers live in, but the ones I gave you above are very good Pastors; you will learn the Bible and God’s Truth; and you will like their Godly teaching methods.

    http://www.calvarychapel.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=69

    God Bless!

    • hi Rob

      You make good points. I have heard good things about calvary chapel as well.

      We must also remember that the antichrist confirms a covenant for one week. the covenant is already in place, but has not been adhered to yet. So, it does not have to originate with him.

    • Rob
      Have you looked into any of the stuff on fallen angels with regard to end times? (see 2 Peter, Jude, Matt:24:1-4 etc.)

      What you are speaking of here is the “Nicolaitan” deceptions spoken of in the letters to the seven churches in revelation. I commend you for your thouroughness.

      I had not heard of the vatican planning to move its HQ to Jerusalem? do you have a link for this?

      John 12:42-43. God Bless.

  42. rob
    I like how about halfway down you say “in short”…lol
    thank you for taking the time to elaborate on the question. I just asked because so many people are quick to criticize denominations other than their own, which obviously leads to division, rather than expound on what unites Christians. I am not saying that we should tolerate unsound doctrine, but that believers can have different ways of praise and worship, so long as the relationship with Jesus is right. The 80/20 number sounds about right for mainline denominations.

    Question: could you not say that “Non-denominational” is just another denomination?

    peace brother!

  43. RON FRASERCOLUMNIST
    Vatican’s Hidden Jerusalem Agenda – March 16, 2009

    HI DRU: You said: “I had not heard of the Vatican planning to move its HQ to Jerusalem? Do you have a link for this?”

    First, in a previous commentary, I stated:

    “Let me give you a clear example using the Book of Revelation (the easiest Bible versions to read and fully understand these two chapters, would be the NKJV, or the NASB – Chapters 17:18 and 18:1-24 … but any “canonically correct” version should do fine); anyway, the End Times “Church of Rome” headquarters is going to be fully destroyed by God Himself, using both His direct judgment, and also the evil UN forces (Chapter 17:15-18).

    In that comment I gave, I mentioned the description God gives about “this very specific” End Times “so-called” Christian group: She was “dressed in purple” (Bishops) and “scarlet” (Cardinals and Popes); carrying a “golden cup” in her hand (a Chalice); “riding on” (having an association with) the “7-headed” (the UN-G7 Nations) “Scarlet Beast” (the “Scarlet-Red” Rothschild controlled global Financial systems) with “10 horns” (the 10 final UN-New World Order Regions/Kingdoms that have already been formed by the 4 totally illegal (1983-1987 PU-Pacific-Asian-Australian Treaty; the 1993-2007 finalized NAU-NAFTA Treaty; the 2008 SAU-South American Treaty; and, the finalized 2008 EU-Lisbon Treaty). God also pins-points the “exact location of her headquarters” – a City on 7 hills (only Rome fits that bill). Now, I’m linking you to a News Story from 2009 that ties this all for you; because “this specific religious group” has already read God’s coming judgment on her, for all her evil ways.

    Now, from that same story, I plucked 4 “specific” paragraphs that are “highlights” – that ALL CATHOLICS worldwide should be aware of; and why the Vatican has already chosen to take “certain” steps.

    I’ve placed “quotation marks” to highlight important “words or phrases” within those paragraphs.

    (Here is the Full Story): http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=6033.4423.0.0

    Paragraph 4: Back in the mid-1990s, a statement “made by Pope John Paul II” during “an interview” in his native Poland, broadcast in Italian over a Polish radio station, “was noted” by one of our Italian associates. She sent us “a transcript” of the interview, which included “one particularly startling” reference “made by the pope” regarding “the Vatican’s ultimate goal” of “transferring its headquarters from Rome to Jerusalem.”

    Paragraph 5: What was “unusual” about “this admission of John Paul II” is that the “Vatican’s intentions” to “possess Jerusalem” are “seldom publicized” and little “commented on.” In fact, an “air of secrecy”—something that the Vatican has a history of creating over various of its affairs over the centuries—has surrounded “this project” since “the failure” of the Crusades, the “most obvious” of the overt and now “very historical attempts by the Vatican,” to “seize control” of the Holy City. Those attempts have a “long history” with strong attachments to the “German” nation, right up to the past two world wars, and “beyond” to our present day.

    Paragraph 10: The Vatican “already has a significant presence” in Jerusalem by virtue of free access to “its holy sites” over which “Rome has legal jurisdiction,” under Israeli law, including both “its institutions and assets” in Jerusalem. The “consolidation of these arrangements” came by virtue of a “bilateral agreement” termed “The Fundamental Agreement between the Holy See and the State of Israel,” which the “Israeli government” signed “with the Vatican” on Dec. 30, 1993. The terms of this agreement, “composed in secret,” were subsequently “legislated” by the Israeli parliament, the Knesset. What remains “largely unknown” is “the secret deal” done by current Israeli President Shimon Peres and the leftist peacenik, former Meretz party member Yossi Beilin, known widely as Peres’s poodle.

    Paragraph 12: Journalist Joel Bainerman, a well-known commentator on Israeli affairs, claims, the “end goal of the Vatican” is to “seize control” of the “Old City of Jerusalem” out of “the clutches of the State of Israel.” To that end, they have a “secret agreement with Israel” which “obliges Israel” to “respect” the “extraterritorial claim” to “their physical presence” in the city. In short, “we have accepted the Vatican’s rights” to have “little Vatican sovereign embassies” throughout “our eternal capital” of Jerusalem. That “same Vatican” has committed itself, “in public” and in “a written agreement,” to “ensure” that “the Palestinians” [not Israel] have sovereignty in the Old City of Jerusalem.”

    God said: [paraphrased]…“Israel is MY wife, and Jerusalem MY City FOREVER; and ANYONE that chooses to divide her, or do harm to either, WILL SUFFER My Holy Wrath.” God also said, “I am the same yesterday, today and forever, I change not.” So in essence, what God said back then in the Old Testament, He means today as well, in fulfilling His New Testament prophecies.

    But, above, you just read that the Vatican has [instead] chosen a different path; she has chosen to “align herself” with the evil UN, in order to stand “against” Israel, and “FOR” the greatest enemy of God’s people in the Bible; the Philistines of Gaza; “a people” who gave the world some of the descendants of the Genesis 6 [Demonic] Nephilim Giants group, Goliath and his 4 brothers; the same ones that King David and the Hebrew nation destroyed.

    Today, that very same area of the ancient Philistines is still called GAZA; and it has given the world “a people” that hate Israel more than any other people/nation on earth [even more than Iran does; and that is almost unimaginable]; that is also why the [pseudo] 7 year Peace Plan [the US-UN Annapolis Treaty] WILL BRING “Tribulation Judgment” upon the WHOLE earth; because the UN represents the WHOLE world; thus, the whole world is “against” Israel; and the Bible says that in the End Days, that will be the “exact” scenario, just before Jesus comes at His Second Coming.

    Now, you just read that that “same Vatican” has committed herself, both “in public” and in “a written agreement,” to “ensure” that “the Palestinians” [not Israel] have “sovereignty” in the Old City of Jerusalem.”

    In the Bible, God always judges people, nations, and individuals, with the “same things” they do to His Chosen People, Nation, and City. So, for the Vatican to say both “in public” and in “a written agreement,” that they are for “the Palestinians” [not Israel] to have “sovereignty” in the Old City of Jerusalem,” is to help divide, conquer, and ultimately totally destroy the “sovereignty” of the “City and Headquarters” of His [God’s] People … so to that end, all any person can say Biblically, is “Good-bye Vatican Headquarters, and the City of Rome”… just like I noted for you in Revelation 17 and 18.

    Also, I’m not a Movie buff, but there have been movies that I truly believe are “sent to humanity” [by God], in order to get people’s attention to turn to Him before it’s too late; like “The Passion” by Catholic Actor/Director, Mel Gibson. But, in some cases, God will even use Atheists to bring the point home; an example is the movie “Angels and Demons;” by Atheists Ron Howard and Tom Hanks. Myself; as a born again Christian, Bible teacher; and a Researcher-writer for many, many years; that movie, “Angels and Demons”… from the stand point of God’s Holy Word; both the Vatican, and the Jesuit P2-Illuminati are portrayed so completely “Biblically and historically” correct, it’s scary. The only part that is different from the Biblical account, is that at the end of the Movie, the priest that is acting as the Camerlengo during the papal conclave, takes a vile of [supposedly] known “anti-matter” up into the clouds, in a helicopter, and it explodes like a nuclear weapon; the actual test for that anti-matter [the supposed power that brought about the “Big Bang”], is today being “finalized” at the Large Hadron Collider located in CERN, beneath the Franco-Swiss border near Geneva, Switzerland. Also, in the Bible, what appears to be both “fire from God” Revelation 18:4-10 [like what happened at Sodom and Gomorrah], and a “nuclear explosion fire” by the 10 horns [the 10 kings of the UN-NWO] in Revelation 17:16; is what “will happen” to Rome; but, unlike the Movie, both will occur on the ground, rather than in the clouds; otherwise, that Movie is right on; and I’m sure Hollywood doesn’t even have a clue what it gave the world; that is why I said that God will use even Atheists to bring forth His intent and message as a wake-up call.

    You might ask; what other ties are there between the Vatican and “the kings of the earth” that she has power over [aka: the United Nations]?”

    Well, here are just three of critical stories that I researched recently for another paper. First, you must understand what I’ve already stated previously; the New World Order is code for a One-World government; thus, also code for the UN-Kingdom of the Antichrist; so anyone participating or asking for that to come about, is clearly not only with the wrong camp, and wrong god; their members should be aware, in order to do what God stated; “Come out of her My people …” Here you go:

    Pope John Paul II calls for the New World Order — John Hooper – Rome, Italy – January 2, 2004

    Pope Benedict XVI urges the forming of the New World Order — New York Times – Rachel Donadio and Laurie Goodstein – Rome, Italy – 7-2010

    The Counter Reformation of the Vatican’s Jesuit Order did not end back in the 1600’s; Spaniard becomes the new P2-Illuminati Jesuit Superior General, known as the Black Pope — S. Brown – Reuters – Jan 19, 2008

    God Bless and guide you all …

  44. Hi Rob

    You make good points. I have heard good things about calvary chapel as well.

    We must also remember that the antichrist confirms a covenant for one week. the covenant is already in place, but has not been adhered to yet. So, it does not have to originate with him.

    Hi Marianne:

    That is correct, exactly as I quoted; our “former” president wrote it and put it together; our “present” president is the only one authorized by the UN-NWO to enforce and sign it; and yes it will be confrmed for “one week” …and in the Book of Daniel we find what the term “one week” really means … it is the Hebrew word for “one week of years” … or, a 7 year period. It will conclude the 70 weeks (490 years) prophecy of Daniel. The Crucifixion of Jesus Christ ended the 69th week of Daniel’s prophecy; and today, we are merely waiting for the final and 70th week to commence and end. The period of time between the Crucifixion and the start of the 70th week, is what Jesus was referring to when he told the Jewish religious elders of the Sandhedrin, the Pharisees and Sadducees: “I have “another flock” that you know nothing about.” Jesus was talking about the “unknown amount of time” that He would give humanity, specifically, to the Gentile nations that would come to know Jesus as their LORD and Savior after Pentecost; which is where “the true church” of Jesus Christ (aka: only “born again” believers) was born, brought forth, and into existence by the (Holy) Spirit. Before that time, the apostles and disciples of Jesus were not “born again” … and that is what Jesus meant when He told the Pharisee teacher, named Nicodemus, in John 3:1-7 … “You “must be” born again.”

    That time period, between the Crucifixion and the start of the 70th week is the period of God’s “Grace” to humans; but once that period of Grace ends, the “the true church” of Jesus Christ will be taken (physically) out of the way, as noted in Genesis, Thessalonians, and Revelation to name a few; and the 70th week (with the UN-NWO Antichrist) will commence.

    That 70th is no longer a period of God’s “Grace” set aside for Christians (although some people will become Christians during the Tribulation period and be Saved; but they will be beheaded for choosing Jesus as LORD then; because the Antichrist will not put up with that choice); thus, that specific period of time, the 70th week, is a time to bring the nation of Israel to repentance, and back to God. Today Israel is 90% or so, Atheist; yes, they are Jewish, but 90% of them don’t believe in the Holy God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, the way God meant for them to do … so they will suffer greatly at the hand of the Antichrist’s UN-NWO government; but at Armageddon, that will come to a permenent end, and Israel will finally be the “preminent nation” on earth; just as God had promised them “if they obeyed His Word, and all His Commands” … to date, they haven’t … but soon, they finally will.

    For today’s people who call themselves Christians, and also want to be (physically) removed before the 70th week starts; to be with Jesus in Heaven forever … what “spiritually” died through Adam and Eve in Eden, when they disobeyed God, can only be “reborn” [aka: born again] by the Power of God, through His Son Jesus; who empowers us to do so, by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

    That is why Jesus stated that to be “born again,” meant to be born “from above” … “from God” (just like in the Book of Acts). So being “born again” is not a denominational or religious thing; nor, a denominational or religious ritual performed by certain groups; it is a “mandate” from God Himself (Jesus), for “any person” who chooses to call themselves a Christian; it is a “MUST DO,” if he or she wants to truly understand God’s Holy Scriptures (the Bible); and also, if he or she wants to enter into Heaven after death … simply put, “no” born again, “no” Heaven.

    One of my previous commentaries tells a person what “must be done” to Biblically be born again.

    Take Care…

  45. Rob

    Have you looked into any of the stuff on fallen angels with regard to end times? (See 2 Peter, Jude, Matt. 24:1-4; etc.)

    Hi Dru:
    My Response: (The fallen Angels, and the Nepilim of Genesis 6)
    Yes; I’ve written several articles on this very subject. In a nut shell [oh yes; like I can really do that, huh? LOL]; what appears to be happening today, is nothing more than a satanic updating; or modernizing of the same evil deception if you will; that will correlate (somehow) to the actual version given us in the Genesis account; primarily speaking, in regards to the “constant evil that was in the minds and hearts of mankind” on Earth in “that” day, just before the judgment of God came upon on man, through the Flood, as recorded in Genesis 6:5-8; but we do know that Jesus said, “Just like in the days of Noah, so shall it be, just before the [2nd] Coming of the Lord.” So, things that happened then will obviously happen yet again … so we should look for “same-same”… or, “similar-similar” things.

    From Adam to the time Noah was “first contacted” by God about building the Ark, is roughly 1,536 years; then, 20 years later Noah started building the Ark; and 1,656 years after Adam, the Flood occurred. That is why God said [paraphrased], “I’m not going to keep striving with mankind much longer; he is only flesh, he is always doing evil; and so, the days he has left from this point going forward [until I whack him], will be 120 years.” At that time, Noah was 480 years old; so 120 years later, at age 600, the Flood came, and mankind was destroyed, just as God had said.
    Between age 500 and age 600, Noah had 3 sons; they grew up, and also helped him build the Arc; their names were Shem (of the lineage of Seth and Noah; then after Shem [in the same lineage], came Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; King David, and Jesus [the Christ] to name a few); then we have Ham (of the lineage of the pagan Canaanites, Africans, and Egyptians; then later [within 200 years after the Flood], we have the earliest of the known Sumerian-Babylonian races of the post-Flood era; more to the point, a “specific person” that had migrated north, then east, from the tribe of Cush [in Africa]; this happened through Cush’s son Nimrod [Ham was Noah’s son, Cush was Ham’s son, and Nimrod was Cush’s son; or, Noah’s great-grandson].

    Young Nimrod migrated from Cush in Africa [from the modern day areas of Northern Kenya, Northern Uganda, Djibouti, Ethiopia, and the Sudan]. Nimrod migrated to the areas known then, as the Plains of Shinar [today, that is Iraq]. After the Tower of Babel incident, God scattered the peoples from the Plains of Shinar, to the present day four winds; so, we get today’s people of Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, Micronesia, Siberia, China, Japan, and Korea; then, those people crossed the “land bridge” into Alaska, then continued down to North America, Mexico, and South America. That is also why the peoples of China and the rest of the Orient, the Alaskan Inuit; and, the native peoples of North America, Mexico, and South America have so many similar features like the eyes, noses, and even some skin colors similarities.

    Remember that post-Flood Earth was no longer the tropical Earth it was before the Flood, but it also wasn’t because there was an “ice age” occurrence that allowed for the forming of a “frozen bridge” for people to cross; the land was only 200 years [post Flood] when the people were scattered by God. In fact 292 years after the Flood, Abraham comes onto the scene; and there is never any mention of any other catastrophe, frozen or otherwise, that happened during those 292 years, between the Great Flood and Abraham. So, if a person chooses to believe science; they must accept millions and billions of years of evolution, ice ages, etc., etc.; but, if a person chooses to believe in God’s account, it becomes [roughly] 4,119 years from Adam to Jesus’ birth [circa Sept. 23, 3 B.C.].

    Finally, we have Japheth (of the lineages of the modern Russians, Europeans, and all Northern-Euro-Nordic races). At the time of the Flood, Noah’s sons [if we give them 2 years apart in age], were 98, 96, and 94 years old. Spring chickens, since Shem lived for another 500 years, after the Flood.

    Now, for the Nephilim; they were a hybrid-race of half human-half fallen angel; that race was a “giant race” of people that the Bible says was on the Earth before, and also “after” the Flood. People ask, how could they be around after the Flood; easy enough; angels cannot drown; only their half human-half fallen angel descendants can; they are spirits; but we do know that they can manifest themselves as a very real “human-like” entities; the people in the Bible didn’t speak to voices, they spoke to human-looking entities. In Genesis 18:1-8, Abraham spoke to 2 angels and [pre-incarnate] Jesus under the Oaks of Mamre; notice, they were very real looking, they spoke, they washed their feet, and they also ate.
    Also we are told in the Bible, that these angelic beings were punished by God for leaving their first abode; or, their first home; which in the Hebrew, can be translated either into a real home [Heaven], or into a similar “homes” [tents, these bodies] that we humans occupy; or in essence, these angels left Heaven, and also the “spirit only” bodies they once had in Heaven [pre-human/animal/vegetation Creation]; and now, they can go either way it appears to indicate.

    Also, as demons, we know from the “crazed man” of Gadara who had many demons [spirits] living in him; that they “needed to occupy a body, human or animal; in order to function in this realm of ours” [PLEASE REMEMBER THAT STATEMENT]; so in their “spirit” form, they can do things that the mortal human mind still isn’t capable of fully conceiving; and the Bible teaches us “not to practice the ways of the occult,” because it does indeed unleash demons into our realm; that is also why they can still outsmart and outdo us.

    These powerful disobedient [satanic led] angels were not interested in the women per se; what they really wanted, was to destroy the human DNA; because if they could do that [they thought], they could keep the [future] Messiah that would be born of a “purely human” virgin from coming [of “the seed” of the woman Genesis 3:15]. Remember, women have no seed; only men do; so there we have the first prophecy of a “virgin birth. In the Bible, Jesus tells us that the “seed of Satan” would in essence be, all of the “non-believers” [aka: all the non-born again; un-Saved]; Jesus said, “they are of their father, the Devil;” while “the seed” that would come through the virgin birth, by way of Jesus, the Christ, would be the opposite; it would be “all the believers” [aka: all the born again; the Saved].

    Now, of what I can hunt down, the Nephilm came into being roughly about 1,000 to 1,200 years “before” the Flood; so they were around a long time [before the Flood]; and, they are still mentioned in the Bible, to the time of King David [plus/minus 1,462 years “after” the Flood]. So my point is; all of these fallen angel-demonic races were around for about 2500 to 2600 years of “pre-Messiah” history. This is also during the time many of the ancient wonders of the old world were built; like the Pyramids; so although mankind still isn’t able to build a “giant stone” Pyramid [still today]; we can see that “highly capable technology” was available to them; but, the question is, from where?

    Fast forward to today; we again have rampant and insanely increasing violence; rampant and insanely increasing God-hating; rampant and insanely increasing unbelieving and apostasy, and those that claim that they want God to just leave them alone … the online blogs are full of them; I know, I try to minister to the lost in many of those blogs; I realize that they may never accept the Good News; but my job isn’t conversion, my job it is only to bring the Truth to people; the choices they make after hearing the Truth, is both a personal and eternal choice that I can’t make for anyone.

    [PLEASE REMEMBER THAT STATEMENT]: Finally, as you study about the demons, you find out that they “need to occupy a body, human or animal; in order to function in this realm of ours” … where have we heard those kinds of statements? From what many have tried to call “space aliens.” Every time there is an abduction; they always claim that the “space aliens” were trying to get male and female DNA from them, as though they were trying to make other humanoids; they would if they could; but God will not allow it; but that doesn’t keep atheistic scientists from attempting to plot and alter the Gnome process; make animal mutative species [super chickens; super cows; etc., etc.]; all in the name of science, and supposedly, for the good of mankind … what a lie; these people are saying one thing, but doing another. They are doing the same thing that the “satanically led” fallen angels were trying to do in Noah’s day … they are trying to alter God’s Plan, and trying for immortality; neither is going to work.

    As for the Nicolaitans: That comes from two Greek Words; Nico [pastor; minister; priest; clergy-type middle-man], and Laitan [the Laity; the people]; and God says,” I hate them;” He tells us to “run from them;” and who does God say that they are? They are the clergy of any religion, denomination, group, or even a religious leader that mandates that anyone wanting to communicate with, or come to know God the Father, through His Son Jesus, MUST DO SO “through them” or through “their methods” … that is totally un-Biblical; the Bible is “exceedingly clear”… you go directly to God the Father, through His Son Jesus; for forgiveness of all your sins; to have a relationship with God, and to become born again; Saved; and thus, Heaven-bound.

    God Bless…

  46. Rob
    The Spirit of Wisdom resides in you, and I acknowledge the Truth in your words. May God bless you in your ministry.
    Jude 21-23

  47. JJ asked Rob:
    Question: Could you not say that “non-denominational” is just another denomination?

    I really like that question. I like when people interact with responses that make others think … “as iron sharpens iron.” Here is my take for whatever it might be worth to you; when a person claims a particular religion or denomination; they are “boxing” themselves into a “specific ideology” [like saying, I’m of the Catholic religion]; or even a specific group within a much larger group, as in a denomination [let’s say, a person might say, I’m a Baptist; which by inference, tells me that that person has chosen to be affiliated with a certain group, to the exclusion of all others; yet, by saying he is a Baptist, a Catholic would say, “he’s a Protestant.” So either way, you are attempting to clearly contrast yourself to, or against all others. Still, you are following a certain leadership, certain man-made rules, abiding by certain man-made religion or denomination requests, etc., etc., in order to be accepted by the rank and file of that group. So when it is all boiled down, one is very much like the other in those ways. I guess one could say simply, “It’s different strokes for different folks.”

    But being non-denominational is a whole different animal altogether; here’s why. When you meet with fellow members in a “truly honest non-denominational” church service, you immediately realize something is very different; what you once thought was a worship service to God; you now realize it was merely lip service and ritual mandates … like when I used to attend my local Baptist or Methodist churches [after I chose to leave the Catholic religion]. I would walk in, chit chat with all the fellow Baptist or Methodist members in the same pew as me; then I would listen to the minister take “one tiny piece” from a Gospel, like “Jesus cured the lepers.” The minister would then ramble on and on for 45 minutes, on how good a healthcare system we have in the U.S., and how impoverished the people in the ancient world were; how we gripe about having to wait 10 or 15 more minutes for a Doctor that is running late, when those people of old had no Doctor at all … the comparisons would go on, and on. I know that the minister meant well, and that we should be thankful … but that wasn’t filling my soul … after each Sunday, I was more and more bored, and less and less interested.

    Then, in comes a co-worker one day, when I was 30 years old, and he was 45; as it turned out, he was an ordained Baptist minister. Every week, for two years; he personally tutored and taught me the contents of the Bible, cover to cover, in my house, and even explained how important it was to know the Bible from a Jewish perspective. After the two years, he presented me with the offer to become “born again” … and I agreed. I asked God the Father for “His forgiveness” for every sin I had ever committed. I asked Jesus to “please become” my personal LORD and Savior; I asked Jesus to “please send” the Holy Spirit to come live inside my heart from that day forward; and to “please write” my name in the Lambs’ [Jesus’] Book of Life.

    When I did that, it felt as though a house had been lifted off me; I know longer wanted to belong to any religious group, or denomination; I knew that this “new relationship” I had chosen to embark on, was like nothing I had ever experienced before; I wanted this very Powerful Triune God to be my LORD, and my God. I tell people; that wonderful man taught me the basics of the Bible for two years, and the Holy Spirit has taught me for the last 27 years; I’m excited to meet the LORD someday soon; but I ask Him for more time to teach others; so that they in turn, can teach others as well.

    So by comparison, a true and Godly non-denominational church group doesn’t take “one tiny piece” from a Gospel at a time, it takes on the entire Bible; it takes on the entire ancient and current historical nature of Biblical prophecy; the Jewish culture; the secular culture; the Dark Occult; the comparisons of God’s Holy Word as it relates to real life; it is a true teaching of the entirety of God’s Word; and it challenges you to research and search for this Great Treasure we all have a chance to get to know and live with for all eternity; and how His Son chose to come die for such a wayward person as myself; and how the third person of the Holy Trinity [the Holy Spirit], dictated the ENTIRE contents of the Scriptures into the minds of the holy men of God, the prophets and the apostles.

    He is Majestic; He is Wonderful; He is full of Love and Grace; He is the Most Powerful Warrior, and He is ready to fight for me day and night; He is Truth; He is comforting; and He is like nothing or no one else; because there is none like Him; His name is The ALMIGHTY, He is GOD; and since I became born again, He has granted me the right to come boldly into His Throne Room; just to talk; and I can even call Him Abba [Daddy].

    So, to answer your question in the most sincere way I can … being in a specific religion, or in a specific denomination, verses being a part of a non-denominational group; there is no comparison. It is like being an adult, and you are given a chance to play in the little league, or in the majors; once you are truly born again … it isn’t once a Sunday or just on Christmas and Resurrection Sunday; it’s a way of life; for life.
    So no, non-denominational is not at all “denominational” by reason of being “another” so-called church group, it is a changed heart, and a changed life; trust me; after endless hours and years of studying them all; no religion or denomination could ever take someone to that level. Previously, I gave a link to the Calvary Chapel groups; I even gave names for you to go online, not to make any converts; just to listen to all the teachings on the different Books of the Bible.

    You will be enlightened, challenged, and you will never walk in darkness again; and it doesn’t have to be the Calvary Chapel; because God has anointed many good people, even in different religions; but you will never know how Biblically truthful they are, until you’ve experienced the Truth as it is clearly stated in the Bible; and for my time in study, I have never found any group that has more consistently accurate teachers, like the ones I call the Calvary Boys.

    That is why, if a person wants to truly debate Biblical issues, I’m always up for a good Biblical exchange; but, if the conversation starts to lead to religion, denominations, or he said/she said, I simply tell them, “I’m interested in the Word, according to God, not in the word, according to man;” and that’s not because I can’t argue any Biblical point well with them, because I am well versed in all religions, denominations, their views, their history, their strengths [if any]; and their faults [as judged by the Bible, not per my opinion]; I hope this helps.

    God, please Bless and enlighten all those that are truly searching for You; the time is close, and the path is full of obstacles; please help us all LORD

    PS:
    I’ll probably be moving on now; it’s been a real pleasure exchanging Biblical thoughts with all of you on this Site; you have been an encouragement to me, and a very receptive audience; maybe I’ll check back from time to time; hold fast to the Truth; and take it into all the world; be a light where there is none; and an answer to those who are still searching; because in doing so, you heap-up Treasure for yourselves in Heaven … and God is Glorified even more … Long Live our Great God and King!

    • hi Rob

      I appreciate your enthusiasm for non–denominational settings. I just wanted to caution you that sin can exist anywhere. I have been in several that were filled with jezebel spirits and other outrageous sins. They had cut off from the main denomination so they would not have to answer for their actions, and the pastor could take a bigger cut of the offering.

  48. Hi Rob

    I appreciate your enthusiasm for non–denominational settings. I just wanted to caution you that sin can exist anywhere. I have been in several that were filled with jezebel spirits and other outrageous sins. They had cut off from the main denomination so they would not have to answer for their actions, and the pastor could take a bigger cut of the offering.
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    Hi Marianne:

    It’s as though the Holy Spirit led me back for one more comment; I don’t know why exactly, but I can only assume there is a very good reason … maybe there are “others” on this site that needed to hear one more comment, because they are seeing that what I am trying to teach them is ringing true; Biblically, historically, and is fully contrasting what is going on in the world today. Let me begin by highlighting things “I thought I was reading” in your response; maybe I just simply misread your response; if so, please forgive me if I did.

    You said:

    “I appreciate “your enthusiasm” for non–denominational settings. I just wanted to “caution you” that “sin can exist anywhere.”

    My Response:

    I’m not quite sure what you mean by that sentence; because my choosing to associate with non-denominational groups in no way diminishes the Truth of God; it is not as though any religion and/or denomination has the entirety of Biblical Truth; in fact, per God’s Holy Word; in the End Times that we are in currently, all mainline Christian churches will come under one leadership soon. There will be only one religion; and no denominations; just a “forced belief” in something that is not of God; but of man; otherwise, the End Times people of Christendom; the “un-Godly” Laodicea church; per the Book Revelation; would not be so resistive to God’s Truth; so much so, that God says, “I want to vomit them out.”

    Non-denominational groups are not second-class Christians; to the contrary; as someone who does by study and facts, know so many of the “hidden and dark secrets” that reside in all religions and all denominations (whether they call themselves Christian, Jewish, Islamic, New Age Pagan, Wiccan, or Atheistic); as a totally unbiased Biblical researcher-writer-type for the last 15 of those 27 years since I became a “born again” Christian; the Holy Spirit has led me many times to “search out” the “many jezebel spirits of darkness” that can be found in all religions and denominations (which is what the Book of Revelation already attests to); in order that I might share with “others” of every leaning, not “my version” of truth, but only “God’s version” of the Real Truth. That Truth doesn’t come from being a non-denominational person, but it is something that they teach; and “that Truth” is in fact, a Godly and Biblical Truth.

    My writings (I hope), attempt to contrast both “the Light and the darkness”… but I don’t direct an attack upon them; I let what “their leaders” say, do the talking; because it is from the heart, that the mouth speaks; in fact, it is my hope that as people read my comments, that they allow the very same Holy Spirit that guides me, to also guide them towards God’s Truth. I merely hold the flashlight towards the dark path; but God Himself is “the source” of the True Light; only He can show you the “Right Path”… I merely point to it; which is contrary to many religions and denominations, who attempt to teach you that “they” are “the only source, and the only true path to God.” My job, as is that of any real and true non-denominationalist, it is to simply point “to” the path … and not claim to “be the path.” God showed me that many years ago; and “that path” has proven time and time again, to be the “right” path; not because I say so, not because any non-denominational group teaches that to be so; but, because He (God) has taken me down that path already, and He is “The Way, The Truth, and The Life”… and any “other path” that does not have “Him” as the guide “on that path,” is a path that is indeed led by a “evil and jezebel spirit.”

    So my total Christian “Trust and Faith” (again: Faith is not a religion; in fact, Faith and Trust are not only very closely related, they can be used synonymously in Christianity; that is why I find it unusual when I hear someone tell me that they are “practicing their faith.” I can better understand practicing baseball, football, or hockey, etc.; in order to get better at that particular sport; but the Bible tells us that “Salvation, Grace, and Faith” are all gifts “from” God, and not of man, lest any man (or woman) boast.” So “Trust and Faith” isn’t something you practice; it is something that a person “receives from God” when they are “born again;” or, they “haven’t received” it yet, because they have chosen to remain in “rebellion” towards God (those are God’s words, not mine); and thus, have “refused to do” what Jesus (God Himself); (the very Person they, Christians) claim they take their namesake from (“Christ”-ians) said “to do” in John 3:1-7.

    When you read about the 7 churches in Revelation; one must know that they weren’t just merely historical (1st century) Christian church groups; they are played out across history from then to now; so when one knows the Truth, they are able to pick out “their church group” within those 7 churches; you’ll see that some were “blessed and encouraged” and some were “rebuffed and rebuked” for what they chose to allow into their congregations.

    Now, the thing is to try and find out where we (as individuals) have “chosen” to place our “Trust and Faith in God” in; have we as Christians chosen the “blessed and encouraged” group … or the “rebuffed and rebuked” group? That is why I’ve tried to state only the facts; not who I think is right or wrong; because ONLY GOD can and will can do that for an individual person, and heart.

    In summation of this one point, my association with any Bible-based, true Christian, non-denominational group, should not be construed as merely “enthusiasm”… it is based on the “solid evidence” that Jesus Himself put forth, and also cautioned all of His true followers to be aware of, especially in the End Times.

    You also said:

    They (non-denominational groups) had “cut off from the main denomination” so “they would not have to answer for their actions,” and “the pastor could take a bigger cut of the offering.”

    My Response:

    I am so amazed by this entire accusation and the toxic usage of anti-Christian words; whether it was meant to be directed towards me personally, or to anyone else; regardless of their religious affiliation or belief; never have I ever heard so slanted, and so wrong an interpretation of any group, in my life.

    You also said:
    …so “they would not have to answer for their actions.” That was so offensive a statement, that I’m almost speechless. My question to you would then be: “Is there anywhere in the entire Cosmos of God, where God can’t go; and where anyone could go, to not have to answer for their actions?” If so Marianne, please publish that link if you would, because many would certainly want to be on “that path.”

    You also said:
    …and “the pastor could take a bigger cut of the offering.” That was also so offensive a statement, that again, I’m almost speechless. I can only respond to this by saying that Jesus was so perfectly right when He clearly stated, [paraphrased] “Why do you worry about the “sliver” in your brother’s eyes, when you aren’t worried about the “log” in your own eye?”

    I don’t accuse anyone for their choice, or choices; that is between them and God; but to say that non-denominational groups had “cut off” from the “main denomination” (which truly sounds so much like the Inquisition and Reformation battles of the Dark Ages); should be seen as an affront to any true Bible believing Christian person, period. Much could be said about the religious group that God speaks of in the Book of Revelation, chapters 17 and 18; but Marianne, it is your site, and it is your choice as to how you choose to run it; but I was completely surprised to receive an email into my private e-mail address; my comments must have angered you, and I took that as a shot across the bow, to let me know that you were able to get my online address; nevertheless, as God told his disciples; “If you are “unwelcomed” when you bring My Truth into any person’s house; leave, and shake the dust off your shoes and feet, and take your peace with you.” So I’ll leave, and take my peace, and move on…

    Lastly, you also said:

    “I just wanted to “caution you” that “sin can exist anywhere.” Sadly, it is not I that needs the appears to need the cautioning.

    May God Bless all those that were able to learn during this brief moment that our paths crossed … I hope you did a “cut and paste” to your documents, so you can review all my comments as you continue on your path.

    • dear Rob

      You certainly took everything I said wrong.

      I was just demonstrating that a non-denominational church can have many problems, just like a denominational one.

      I was not making things up.

      I was a personal witness to such things going on in a non-denominational church.

      I did not generalize and say they were all like that.

  49. Rob,
    I agree with what you said about the Catholic church – it is the woman that rides the beast and the mother of harlot churches. I think your estimate of 80/20 is a bit too generous though. I believe it will be far less than 1 percent.
    To illustrate my point I checked out the Calvary Chapel churches and in detail, a local chapter near me. I was not surprised to discover that paganism abounds in this church. They hold their services on the Roman pagan Sunday and celbrate the pagan holidays of Easter (Smiramis – the Babylonian queen of heaven) and Christmas (the birthday of her false-savior son Tammuz). My chapter has even put out a drive to collect Halloween candy for the kids of their members.
    These practices and celebrations will be destroyed right along with the Roman Catholic Church. 99.9% of all current Christian denominations are apostate to some degree, so perhaps it is better to be non-denominational after all.
    I also don’t agree about the whole New World Order thing. The so called covenant of the antichrist was actually the New Covenant of Christ. The last week of Daniel began in 27AD with the anointing of the Messiah (His baptism) which began a 7 year ministry. Halfway through he was cut off (killed). The 7 years ended with the stoning of Steven, which ended the era of the Jews. Before that point, the gospel was preached only to the Jews. After the 70 weeks, it was preached to the world. The Jews had lost their divine “status” with God. Christianity officially began and Judaism took a back seat. That is the message that Daniel was being told. It had nothing to do with an end-time dictator. Like much of prophecy, bits and pieces have been yanked out of context and quoted over and over to try to prove a theory.
    Sorry 70 weeks is 70 weeks, not 104,690 (plus).

    • James
      I found this on you tube when i was researching the rfid chip, It was labeled as offensive on youtube, and I in noway intend this to offend you, by placing it here. I just think it needs to be discussed. Pieter was on another page discussing how the church over there in South Africa is encouraging its members to accept the rfid chip implant. I wonder if he is dealing with this church?

  50. James, I’m not quiet sure what you’ve been reading buddy, or who’s been mentoring you, but there is nothing in your blog that is one bit Biblically correct; I’m very sorry to have to say that.

    1. The people in America that “claim” to be Christians is [roughly] 82%. The truth is that I [personally] believe that the actual number of true “born again” Christians in America is more like 10%. If America was 82% true “born again” Christians; we wouldn’t have the kind of Country we have today; we would stand up for “Godly Justice”… but we haven’t; because as a collective Country, we are nearly a total Laodician group. Not all people [the Bible says] that “claim” to be Christians, “are” Christians, they are simply “religionists.” But, if truth be known, in a “blind test” … it would be very hard to tell Christians today, from some of their counterparts in the secular (lost) world; many “so-called” Christians still shack up; refuse to get married, and would rather play house; drink to excess; smoke pot; do drugs; are pro-abortion; do not believe in the Virgin Birth; think that there are “many, or other ways” to Heaven; and that Jesus is not the only way [although Jesus Himself, stated that He is the ONLY way]; they also turn a blind eye to every abomination that the Lord calls evil [just so they don't offend anyone]; they never tell another soul about Jesus, or how to get saved; they refuse to stand up for Jesus, because their classmates, or co-workers might make fun of them; and the list goes on, and on, and on … so, Catholics, Protestants, Methodists, Presbyterians; Episcopalians, Anglicans, etc., etc., all say they are “real” Christians; but, Jesus made it very clear; No born again, No forgiveness of sins; No forgiveness of sins; No Salvation; No Salvation, and you die in your sins; you die in your sins, and you’re definitely Hell-bound … that’s not my interpretation [although it is]; that is Jesus Himself saying that.

    2. You also spoke of the Calvary Chapels; believe me, there are many that call themselves Calvary Chapels (but are not of the Chuck Smith Calvary Chapel group from southern California); they are not chapters; they are individual churches that “choose” to conform to God’s Holy Word as their ONLY guide to lead the flock; and not a religious hierarchy to dictate what they will say, not say, or believe; it is all the Word of God at Calvary, or it is none the Word of God. I did gave a “very specific link” to find a “true” Calvary Chapel near you; if you had, you certainly wouldn’t be calling them paganistic in any way, shape, or form; so I truly have to doubt that you found a legit one. As for celebrating on a Roman pagan Sunday; you are absolutely wrong; do you not remember what Jesus said? “Man was not made for the Sabbath, the Sabbath was made for man.” …and He continued, “and I am the LORD of the Sabbath” … in other words, it doesn’t matter Biblically “what day” you gather to worship or hold worship services; the Sabbath was never “the day” for holding religious services anyway; it has nothing to do with it; the Jewsih Sabbath is, and always will be, a “rest day” … “and God finished His work of Creation, and He “rested” on the 7th day (in the Latin/Spanish lanuage, it’s called “Sabado” … in the Bible, it’s called Sabbath); and He blessed it, sanctifying it, and proclaimed it Holy.” That has absolutely nothing to do with “any” religion, be it pagan or not; nor any relgious gathering … it is a God ordained “rest day” for mankind, his household, his servants, and his animals, period.

    3. True CaLvary Chapels call it “Resurrection Day” … American people have been brought up to call it Easter, and yes, the origins of the name Easter is absolutely Babylonian in origin, brought forth to humanity by the evil (and once harlot), Queen Semiramis [the wife of King Nimrod, the King of the God destroyed, "Old World Order"] and by her chosen ultra-pagan “Royal Priesthood” called the Cybels; who can be traced directly from Babylon, to Turkey, Jordan (Petra), Israel, Egypt, then in to the Basque area of Spain, where they picked up the “spring fertility” goddess worship of the one they called [locally] “Fatima” and “Our Lady” (and that was centuries before the (supposed) 3 children saw the (supposed) vision at Fatima; then, it was on to Italy, where they partnered with the heretical Gnostics, and they overtook the local (early) Christians (in Rome) that had been freed from centuries of Roman persecution, only to end up under the thumb of the Roman “State” church … which today is known to all, as the Roman Catholic church. You can trace the papal Miter hats to the “open fish mouth robes” that were worn by the the Cybels in Babylon. They are carved into the Royal Burial Tombs; complete with blessings pots, and (made by them) holy water. The Cybels were very wealthy, and they followed the money. When Alexander the Great conquered Babylon, they fled to the countries I mentioned previously. Also, Cybel was the chief goddess over all gods in Babylon. She was the consort (mistress) of the King of the Seas; today we know him as Posidian (sp?) and Neptune; which are “other names” for Satan; just like Bel, Baal, Baphomet, and Dagon (the man body/fish head god that both God and Samson dealt with in the Bible). Notice that Cybel has her lovers name … Cy-Bel … or, another way could be “with” Bel; or “of ” Bel.

    4. You stated that 99.9% of “all current” Christian denominations are apostate to some degree; that’s too high right now, but many Christian denominations are truly working on rasing that number to your level; the [soon] Rapture of the “true” Bride church of Christ [which is no religion], will terminate that in an instant, and the “lost sheep” will be melded in with the United Nations-Pagan-GHIA-Green-New Age Religion. It will come under the authority of the Vatican, who will (by then), have moved their headquarters from Rome to Jerusalem, shortly after Pope Benedict retires or dies, which should be by mid-summer of 2012. His successor has already been “anointed” as of Oct. 2010 … but, also be on the look out for the Vatican Jesuit-P2-Illuminati to try to force the issue and possibly try to place a person that is neither a Cardinal, nor a current member of the Vatican Curia. He “will be” the (Biblcal) False Prophet; and all world relgions, as of 2009, have already agreed to bow to this man … even Isalm; who will allow the Vatican to setup a “Papal Throne” in the Dome of the Rock mosque; shortly after Obama is re-elected; yes, I did say that; He will sign the UN-US “Annapolis Treaty” with “the many” … that will not only bring to completion a 2-State solution to Israel and the Palestinians; it will also “Split Jerusalem and the Temple Mount” and will designate Jerusalem as a UNESCO/UN International City, under the “direct jusridiction” of the Vatican; that is scheduled for late 2012 to mid-2013; and that my [hopefully] born again friends, will bring a final assault, with absolutely devastating destruction to America for leading the charge of nations to do that; again, look for rumblings by late 2012 to mid 2013. The positions of both the [Antichrist] person, and the [False Prophet] person have already been chosen, assigned, and anointed; the False Prophet [person] was chosen in 2010, the Antichrist [person] in 1983. The Antichrist [person] portrays himself as a Christian; but he “is” a true [Sunni-Muslim]. He is [currently] scheduled to be appointed as the 9th [as in Jewish Gematria 9th] UN-Secretary General; Ban Ki Moon of Korea is the current, and 8th UN-SG; but look to the 9th one to possibly being announced [thus, "revealed"] as the “Sovereign One-World Leader” of the UN-New World Order. Both [persons] were “selected” by the Euro-American “Black Nobility” – a 13 member group syndicate of CFR-Council on Foreign Relations/Illuminati/Freemason/Raelian/Luciferians; 10 are from Europe; 2 are from America; and the 1 is from Rome. It isn’t a hidden thing; it is a “very well planned” thing; just like the fact that America is not coming back economically, ever again; those are knwon and hard facts to swallow; so, if you are not [currently] “born again” … consider that “Job 1″ as of today.

    5. Finally, you said: I also don’t agree about the whole New World Order thing. The so called covenant of the antichrist was actually the New Covenant of Christ. The last week of Daniel began in 27AD with the anointing of the Messiah (His baptism) which began a 7 year ministry. Halfway through he was cut off (killed). The 7 years ended with the stoning of Steven, which ended the era of the Jews.

    My response: You are so very, very lost my friend; you have neither the knowledge of ancient-secular history/ Biblical history/Jewish culture, or history/Vatican history/Illuminati-Freemason history/Black Nobility history/ United Nations history; nor American-Constitutional history; and since it would be way too lengthy to try to fix your list of “terminal errors” … I’ll just conclude with, get “born again” immediately, or get lost in the [soon] coming flood of destruction. Your Biblical accounts and historical data are so “erred” that I can’t possibly fix the many things you said. As for the term you used about “yanking” prophecy, or anything else out of context; you my friend have “yanked” your entire account out of … well, let’s just say, it wasn’t out of God’s Biblical accounts.

    Take Care All … Do keep the Faith; tell others about Jesus … and Keep Looking Up, for your Redemption “is” near … much nearer than you might think.

  51. About ‘Rome’. Professor Walter Veith, former Roman Catholic: “I was shocked when I found this out and I got physicaly sick”.

    • Olaf said this on March 2, 2012:
      “The Man Behind The Mask” – About ‘Rome’ – Professor Walter Veith; former Roman Catholic: “I was shocked when I found this out and I got physically sick”.

      My Response:

      I come back to this site from time to time, because I love the inquisitive people seeking correct answers to both Biblical Prophecy and Scripture. In the above link given by Olaf on the “The Man Behind The Mask,” I listened and watched the entire video, to make sure that this professor was telling the Godly truth to you. As a 32 year former Catholic, but now, a (John 3:1-7) “born again” Christian since 1984; a Jewish culture/and modern and ancient secular history investigator since 1992; a geo-political investigator since 1995; a Bible Teacher since 1996; and an investigator of the ancient and modern day religious Cults and the Luciferian and Satanic Occults (as they pertain to world governments; world leaders; and bankers); and more specifically, as they pertain to the New World Order and the New Age agendas; I can tell you without a shred of doubt, that Professor Walter Veith was right on some counts (in the very beginning of the video – the original 4 kingdoms in Daniel); close on some counts (in the middle of the video – the two iron legs being Roman Empire [West], and Roman Empire [East]); but entirely wrong (towards the end); when he speaks about prederists and futurists; and that the “papal see” is the one that will presume to be God on Earth; thus, attempting to link him to the final Antichrist person. It is TRUE that the Vatican and the Vatican-P2 Jesuits (aka: the Freemasons [the Vatican] and the Illuminati [the P2 Jesuits]) will be fully involved in the “Tribulation Period” [aka: the 70th week of Daniel 9:24-27]; they will play the role of the “Power-backers” of the “False Prophet” (aka: of the “Mother Harlot” [aka: the Babylonian/Moon Worshipping (ancient Royal Cybele priesthood of King Nimrod – aka: Freemasonry); and, the Egyptian/Sun (Amun-Ra/Satanist-Luciferian worshippers of the ancient Pharaohs; aka: the Illuminati]. In the Book of the Revelation, chapters 17 and 18, “She” is dressed in “Purple” [Bishops/Archbishops] and “Scarlet” [Cardinals and Popes); and, “She” abides (has her “headquarters”) in a City built on 7 Hills (only Rome can claim that specific distinction in the End Times Scriptures). “She” WILL LEAD the UN-New World Order’s “New Age”/GAIA-Green-Mother Earth atheistic-pagan Agenda 21 one-world Religion; and, “She” WILL move her headquarters from Rome to Jerusalem when the “UN-New World Order’s Antichrist and his Power-backers” – aka: The “Scarlet Beast” that she rides on (chapters 17); strips her of her of all of her wealth; and a complete destruction comes to the City of the Harlot (a City built on 7 Hills: aka: Rome). But, what Professor Walter Veith brushes with a “fine tooth comb” in the Book of Daniel, he brushes with a “huge broom” when referring to the Book of Revelation; and, he even fails to use the “most important chapters” in the Book of revelation to find this final Antichrist person. Since I don’t have time for a complete breakdown today (not to mention that I’ve already broken it down in a previous post on this site [just a few postings above this one]; it is called: “In Search of the Revived Roman Empire” – Let me give you some bullets to understanding the End Times.

      1. The professor claims that the “two iron legs” are the ancient Roman Empire (West and East legs): That is correct.

      2. But, what the professor fails to understand, is that the “two feet and the 10 toes,” although connected to the original “two iron legs;” thus, a continuation of the ancient Roman Empire (an Empire that was never defeated like the previous kingdoms of Babylon, Medes and Persian, and Greece); the “last kingdom” (the one broken and destroyed by the Second Coming of Christ; by the “Stone” that destroys that final “human kingdom” [Jesus is the “ROCK”… the “STONE” the builders rejected; at His First Coming]; this “final kingdom” is cannot be taken back to the 10 kingdoms of the old Roman Empire tit-for-tat; because “that Empire” was localized (in Europe/the Middle-east, and north Africa); while this “last kingdom” is global (the entire world; not just the other old areas).

      3. He also disregards a “very important” clue. The feet are of the same “old iron” as the legs (aka: the ancient Roman Empire) and now, they also include “clay” (aka: the rest of humanity; the rest of the world; thus, global). Also, “clay” is “dirt;” and that is what Adam (thus, all of humanity) was formed from; but “iron and clay” can’t be mixed so as to hold together; thus, this “final kingdom” WILL NOT be totally cohesive; it will be united only by “fear and force” (although, the “great deception” will be that is will APPEAR as though it is one of “peace” (that is why God, through Paul, warns us “Do Not Be Decieved!); so, that final kingdom isn’t a True Kingdom; it will be a (Satanic-Luciferian) “fascist” kingdom; a total “dictatorial” one-world state (of government and religion); and the Bible says that this Antichrist “will come in the way(s) of Satan.” Here is the basis used to write up the (current) UN-New World Order’s One-World Constitution of Nations; it was presented in 2000; [Quote] “No one will enter the New World Order, unless he or she pledges to worship Lucifer; and no one will enter the New Age, unless he or she undergoes a Luciferian Initiation.” [End-Quote]. Is that “coming in the way(s) of Satan?” Yep!

      4. Also, every nefarious Pope; specifically, since Pope Pius XII; has been “barking” about the need for a “New World Order.” The “New World Order,” as I showed you in item 3; WILL BE a “UN/One-World/Luciferian Kingdom.” The last time that such an outcry went forth in the Bible, was the Babylonian Empire of King Nimrod; the very first one-world government/one-world religion/one-world currency/one-world sovereignty sought after kingdom; and its Leader (Nimrod) was the very first, true Antichrist-type person [he hated God]; so then, what have these Popes been really calling for? One, the kingdom of Satan/Lucifer; and two, the Kingdom of the Antichrist.

      5. Pope John Paul II and the P2-Jesuits have a “certain person” already chosen to be “that false prophet” personage; but Pope Benedict XVI chose another person in October of 2010. So an internal battle is currently going on today; and you can see the liberal side of the Vatican, trying to undo and undermine the conservative side of the Vatican. The one that wins will have “their man” in place. That man WILL BE the End Times False Prophet of the UN-NWO/One-World “Idolatrous-Pagan” Religion. The Papal throne WILL BE placed in the al Aqsa mosque on the Temple Mount; that is why after the US Elections [in 2013 maybe?], the State of Israel WILL BE divided (by the UN); under the Annapolis Treaty, into a two-State parcel [for Israel and Palestinians]; and the Vatican WILL ASSUME “full authority” over the Temple Mount; and also, all religious sites; and, the City of Jerusalem WILL become an International (UN-UNESCO) City; thus, with full UN-NATO Troop protection. The Vatican started Islam post-6th century, and controls it to this day from Rome; it was started (roughly) 125 years after (so-called) Muhammad died. If you will pull up the official Vatican Flag of Pope Benedict XVI, you will find on the flag, among other things, a black “Moorish/Islamic king,” and a “Corsican (Island of Corsica) Bear.” The Bear’s “real symbolism” is the symbol of the original “Knights Templar” (aka: the Knights of the Temple Mount; today, they are called the SMOM-Sovereign ‘Military Order’ of the Knights of Malta; the Island of Corsica is their world headquarters; they are the highest ranking Freemasons). They “secretly run” (by Israeli Law), the Temple Mount; that is why the clerics in Israel are allowing the Papal throne to be installed in the al Aqsa mosque on the Temple Mount; it was already agreed-to by secret treaty; but, it will be required to face Mecca; the Vatican has already agreed to that. The “black” Moorish/Islamic king is indeed “very interesting.” The story behind it is that in the 6th to 7th century (the time of Islam’s start); there was a black “Moorish” (Dark) Islamic king that was a very close friend of the Vatican. He (supposedly) left Rome, and went to reside (secretly) in the area of (today’s) Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya region; and was never heard from again; but (supposedly) before he left, he told the Pope that someday, “he would return, to rule over them (the Vatican); at the end of time.” So, we now have a black/dark person; he will come out of (previous) obscurity; he will be a “Moorish” (Dark) Islamic person made king; from the eastern end of Africa (Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya region); and, will become head over the Vatican in the End Times. We already know that the Vatican will produce (according to the Bible), the False Prophet; so, the ONLY PERSON that will become “a head” (or, a ruler) over the Vatican in the End Times, is not the Pope; it will be the UN-NWO Antichrist person; or, the black “Moorish” (Dark) Islamic king that was a very close friend of the Vatican; hailing from the area of (today’s) Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya region. Now, go read the Book of Revelation, chapter 13:1-10 (there you have both the “Beast System” Power-backers of the Antichrist; and also, the Antichrist person himself); and in 13:11-17 (there you have the False Prophet person); now notice who outranks whom; and who works for whom. In verse 18, God tells us (all “born again” Christians) to be able know this man when he arrives on the scene; he’ll be a Fascist, a Socialist, a Marxist, a Communist (a “Progressive”= a Communist); and the False Prophet (speaking for the Vatican and its papal flag) says that he will be a world-king; dark, Moorish-Islamic, from the area of Africa (more specifically, from today’s Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya region); and he will be associated with the numbers 6-6-6. Interestingly enough, such a man was given a “seat of authority” amongst the World of Nations on Sept. 9, 2009; and then spoke to them on Sept. 24, 2009. You might say, so what? Well, hold on; “September” is the high unholy month of the (Jesuit) P2-Illuminati; and “April” is the high unholy month of the Freemasons. For those not in the know, the Vatican P2 Jesuits are in charge of ALL of the Militaries in the World (except China’s); yep, US Forces and NATO too; so a “seat of authority September-man” would be both Illuminati and also head over US Forces and NATO; the US is the head of NATO. Now, his “world authority” was given to him on Sept. 9, 2009 (or, 9-9-9; now, flip that around), because “secret societies” always speak in signs, codes, and reverse-speak; but, God gives it to us straight up.

      6. The Antichrist person was chosen by the “Scarlet Beast” and the BN Syndicate “Power-backers” in 1983; he recently turned 51 years old. He WILL SOON BE “enthroned” as the “Official CFR [Council on Foreign Relations Emblem] “Rider on the White Horse” [Revelation 6:2] “Sovereign King of the UN-New World Order.” The Book of Revelation, chapter 17:10-11 takes us right to him; he will occupy “two positions of world power”… he will be both a 7th king (a 7th world empire leader) and “himself” (the very same man) will also be an 8th (and final world empire leader) king; and, he will be part of the (original) 7 kings (kingdoms); thus, that will identify him perfectly; so, any person in history that ends up occupying “two positions of world power”… but not only “two positions of world power”… they must (also) be in succession, in order to be Biblically (both) the 7th and 8th kings. Finally, to bring it all together, we must also know the “original” 7 kings (kingdoms) that will come before the final (and 8th) one. For that, we must fully understand God’s position on this matter; John received this prophecy in 95 AD (+/-); now, the entire Bible was written (first and foremost) “for Jews, by Jews (except Luke), and about Jews”… Gentile nations are grafted into God’s kingdom through Jesus, the Christ. So, ALL 8 kingdoms (both the previous 7, and also the final one; the 8th one), have to have ruled over, or had control over, the nation of Israel. Here they are; using the Books of Daniel and Revelation: [1] the Egyptian Empire (the captivity and the Exodus) [2] the Assyrian Empire (the 10 northern Tribes were taken) [3] the Babylonian Empire (the two southern Tribes were taken) [4] the Medo-Persian Empire (ruled over Israel until the two southern Tribes came back from their 70 year Babylonian/Medo-Persian captivity, from 586 BC to 516 BC) [5] the Greek (Hellenistic) Empire [6] the Roman Empire (#1- “localized” – Europe, the Middle-East, and North Africa) [7] the United States [8] the United Nations (aka: the UN-New World Order [Kingdom of the Antichrist]; aka: the Revived-Roman Empire – #2 – “totally global”). So thus, we should be looking for a person that will be both a US President; followed by him becoming head of the United Nations (thus, the UN-New World Order). That man WILL BE the Biblical Antichrist. Currently, Korean diplomat Ban Ki Moon is the UN-Secretary General (No. 8); the Final UN-SG will be (No. 9); remember, a man was given a “seat of authority” amongst the World of Nations on Sept. 9, 2009; simply see if he matches the Bible and Vatican descriptions. Re-read my previous posting called: “In Search of the Revived Roman Empire” on this same page. And where will New Babylon be located? Simply Punch up Astana, Kazakhstan; it’s an ultra-modern Illuminati City of the future. Note the “Two (Brass/Bronze) Pillars” in New Babylon pictures; they have the very same names as the “Two (Brass/Bronze) Pillars” when you went to enter God’s Holy Temple in Jerusalem; they are called “Jacqin and Boaz;” that ought to wake up some Bible Buff people.

      So, in summary; from the middle of the video on to the end; I would completely discount “The Man Behind The Mask” by: Professor Walter Veith; the Pope WILL NOT be the Antichrist (that man was already chosen in 1983); but, a “Vatican Rep” will be the False Prophet (in Jerusalem. A liberal Catholic-New Age proponent); most likely, he won’t even be a previous cardinal, or even a Pope; but both men WILL WORK under the authority of the “Scarlet Beast.” The “7 heads on the Beast” are the current 7 UN-NATO Nations. The “Leopard Identity” is Nimrodian/Babylonian/German. The Bear Feet is the Vatican-Corsican Bear-Freemasons; and the Mouth of the Lion (on one of the heads) is an interesting two-fold mystery symbol; the Roth-schild (which means Red/Scarlet-Shield; something to hide behind) is called THE LION of Germany/London/and France; and are (both) the Richest and most powerful dynasty on planet Earth. So, “One of the 7 Leopard Heads, has “the mouth” of a Lion (or, “he will speak for the real LION; the Rothschild”); that “same Leopard head with the Lion mouth” is also the head of all 7 heads; thus the head of NATO, thus, a US President as well. So my Bible question to you who be; is there such a person in our midst already; and is the New World Order ready to go? If you know those answers, you could also know that man; because just like his ancient predecessor; his two CFR code names are Nimrod and Renegade (very Biblical); and that also matches everything about today’s (man, with no God) world; a one-world government; a one-world religion; and a one-world military; and a one-world currency. Keep on studying; teach others as well.

  52. I tell you all of this in love for my neighbor as myself:)

    Why the mark of the beast is present now: and what the mark actually is.

    Revelation 13:1-2 (KJV)
    [And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.] 2[And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as ] the feet[ of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.] 

    The mark of the beast exists now because the mark is in fact a spiritual mark, that represents the spiritual condition of an individual, saint or sinner.
    The mark of the beast is the spiritual mark of the incomplete person, who has not been truly born again.  And doesn’t actually keep the 2 commandments.

    Keeping the two commandments is a spiritual act, only accomplished by those who are filled with the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:8-10 (KJV)
    8[So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.] 9[But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.] 10[And if Christ ] be[ in you, the body ] is[ dead because of sin; but the Spirit ] is[ life because of righteousness.] 

    Jesus commanded believers to keep the two commandments he mentioned in Matthew chapter 22.  A command must be kept by those who care and truly believe that Jesus is the son of God. Jesus Christ the son of God must be obeyed. He is the king of kings, and the lord of lords. The creator of ALL things. Under the new covenant that Jesus established by the shedding of his blood, which gives life to the lifeless. We who believe in him MUST do as he commands without fail, if we are to enter into his kingdom and share in the love and blessings of the Father.

    Unfortunately this worlds system  does not value the commands of Jesus. The world system I’m speaking of is capitalism/ democracy, that the entire world has been deceived by. Capitalism is the globalized world dynamic that has caused racism, classism, poverty, and war.   Jesus said, “the beast is corporations, governments, and organized religions, and the people who support them thru labor”. The people of this world live by what governments decide is important, what corporation have taught us to value, what organized religions call the will of God. By doing this the people of this world have separated themselves from God spiritually. Capitalism is not the two commandments. Democracy is not the two commandments. Capitalism and democracy can not exist within the heavenly construct of love God with all your heart, and all your soul, and all your mind, and love your neighbor or fellow human as yourself or oneself. To believe that a person can actually love God and neighbor while laboring daily within a world system of the beast is hipocracy  and a deception of Satan .

    Labor is the key word here, when speaking of excepting the mark of the beast. What is labor?
    la·bor  

    1.
    a. Physical or mental exertion, especially when difficult or exhausting; work. See Synonyms at work.
    b. Something produced by work.
    2. A specific task.
    3. A particular form of work or method of working: manual labor.
    4. Work for wages.
    5.
    a. Workers considered as a group.
    b. The trade union movement, especially its officials.
    6. Labor A political party representing workers’ interests, especially in Great Britain.

    Labor is work to accomplish a specific task or goal. What is the task or goal of corporations, business? To make a profit. Making a profit is what is most important within a system of capitalism . Profit has nothing to do with the two commandments. Mankind has been taught to work for a company or establish your own company or business (entrepreneur) for the purpose of profit and prosperity of the owner and employees. Unfortunately within a world system of the beast there is no true love for neighbor, so in reality what is taking place within business, and in the world  is a structure of small and great, rich and poor, free and bond. As the scripture says, all within this system are marked with the mark of the beast. As well as all saints that labor within it.

    Revelation 13:16-17 (KJV)
    16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:[] 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    Revelation 13:7 (KJV)
    7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    Employment is looked upon in society as valuable, by being employed and working to gain a profit, we have been given purpose and have established meaningful lives within a corrupt system.  Business owners pay wages to employees, so a living can be maintained, to buy and to sell. However this continues a domino effect of sin from generation to generation, from young to old.  The sin of employment is worship of a false God or idolatry. People labor for the beast 247. Working in jobs around the globe  that continue survival/livelihood  based on corporate goals. Once again, the goals of business are not the two commandments. Jesus did not teach people to live by greed and prosperity and profit.  Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
    4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

    Prepare yourselves!  John 1:23-24 (KJV)
    23[He said, I ] am[ the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.] 

    Those that believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God must repent of all sin and remove the spiritual mark of the beast. It is in the hand and in the forehead, but it’s spiritual it cant be seen. There is no other mark of the beast besides this. It is the spiritual mark of a person who has not been truly born again. Any truly born again follower of Jesus will keep the two commandments. As the scripture says, God is a spirit, and they that worship him MUST worship him in spirit, and in truth.

    John in the book of Revelation saw the mark while he was in the Spirit. It was revealed to him because he was spiritual. He lived and walked in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth.  Revelation 1:10-11 (KJV)
    10[I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,] 

    The mark of the beast can be removed. It is sin. All sin can be forgiven, all except one. That one,  is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit..
    Matthew 12:31-32 (KJV)
    31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 

    Now that the truth has been revealed, do as the scripture says and make the right choice. Don’t except the mark of the beast. Revelation 13:8-9 (KJV)
    8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.[] 9[If any man have an ear, let him hear.] 

    Revelation 14:9-12 (KJV)
    9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:[] 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    Have faith in your creator, he is in CONTROL, please believe. Trust that Jesus can and will make a way for you in your individual situation.  The flesh is concerned about fleshly issues. Love not the world.  1 John 2:15-17 (KJV)
    15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16[For all that ] is[ in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.] 17[And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.] 

    Matthew 10:37-38 (KJV)
    37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 

    Matthew 22:36-40 (KJV)
    36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37[Jesus said unto him, ] Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.

    John 3:3-7 (KJV)
    3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4[Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?] 5[Jesus answered, ] Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

    Having the mark, means damnation. Do as Jesus said, be born again and keep the two commandments. You must  know for sure if your name is written in the lambs book of life. How do you know? By worshipping the Father in spirit, by the Holy spirit. There must be evidence of the Holy spirit within. Not with lying babblings learned from false prophets. But by true spiritual gifts given by Jesus as the Spirit gives utterance. The Holy Spirit speaks when he is ready, and stops when he is ready, not when man commands or wants to. Speaking in tongue is not entertainment or a show. Tongues have ceased in the modern and sinful unspiritual church because there is no interpretation.  When an individual repents and is baptized, that person must fight to remove all sin from their lives. Then fast and pray for Jesus to fill them with the Holy Spirit. The evidence of being filled is speaking in tongue temporarily.
    Also as the scripture says..Mark 16:17-18 (KJV)
    17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

    1 Corinthians 12:4-11 (KJV)
    4[Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.] 5[And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.] 6[And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.] 7[But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.] 8[For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;] 9[To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;] 10[To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another ] divers[ kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:] 11[But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.] 

    When a person hears the message of salvation through Jesus and repents, that is not complete salvation. It is but the beginning of the journey of true salvation.   When the two commandments are bring kept  by the spirit, that is true salvation.

    Peace and blessings to you.

  53. Hi to everyone,

    Also a belated Christmas and Happy New Year to all!

    One thing that’s puzzled me about the Papacy being the beast in the End Times, is the fact that there is no biblical precedent for it. Apart from the 4th beast i.e. Rome devouring the whole earth (which it did at the height of its power), out of which we see the development of the ten horns, with some siting the horns as the ten main countries which constitutes the core of the EU, there is nothing to commend it, especially when looking at the parallel description of the beast empires in the image of Dan chapter 2.

    When taking into consideration the fact that from the feet of iron and clay onwards, when iron is mingled with miry clay, the power of Rome deminishes. Furthermore, the iron and miry clay is again subdivided into ten kingdoms (ten horns/toes), who having been weakened further into smaller units of power, neither have a totalitarian position in the world. The iron element (Rome) in the End Times is to some extent still quite strong, but not as it was in former times, and shares this lesser position in the world with the introduction of a new power i.e. miry clay. There is some thought that the miry clay is a reference to Arabic countries. The main point is this: that the iron and the miry clay both give their power unto the beast. Therefore, each being subservient to a more sinister controlling power, neither can the iron or clay be the beast to whom they submit!

    The beast is something that revives in the End Times and re-emerges from the sea of nations. The fig tree that was cursed by Jesus, is the fig tree that revives at the time of the End. The core power of the beast is the Harlot or unfaithful wife of Yahweh, and she is the head that was mortally wounded but revives again at the End. The Harlot is also the unfaithful city that’s been responsible for killing the prophets of God; the Lord Jesus Christ, and the witnesses when they appear on the scene. The Israel that now is corresponds to the allegory of Hagar in Galations ch 4, who is the whore and has a covenant with death. Hagar is the mother of unrepentant Israel. The Israel of God which from above has a covenant with life eternal whose mother is Sarah. Galations ch 4 is the basis for Rev 17 concerning the Mother of Harlots i.e. Israel after the flesh! The ten horns/toes of iron and miry clay eventually destroy the whore (time of Jacob’s trouble), causing Israel after the flesh to cry out for deliverance..and they will be. Then the Lord will go forth and fight for them as He did in the day of battle!

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