The Jewish Messiah, the Jews, and the Assyrian

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The book of Micah makes an amazing comment about the Messiah, and how he “gives up” the Jews, until a future time when Israel would be reborn. But Jews have missed this. Most Christians have too.
A common position Jews take when rejecting Jesus as Messiah is that he did not fulfill all the scriptures. This is true, if the Messiah was to come only once, and do everything the first time. I have never heard a Christian tell the Jews that the Messiah was supposed to come twice, and then prove it.
This is a case of ignorance, on the part of both Jews and Christians, who should know their own shared prophesies.
Popular to both Jews and Christians is the Book of Isaiah. This is where they find their messianic focus.
I have never seen the Jews read the Book of Micah. It is not in the Chumash. They have to get through the Torah once a year, and only include some other writings as a Haftorah. Many writings from the Tenach are omitted because they do not have the time to read them all in one year.
The Christians pick out one verse from Micah about the birth of the Messiah, and do not pay attention to the rest of the chapter.

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Here is a closer look at the Book of Micah:
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1. Birthplace of Messiah and everlasting nature – so he is MORE than human
Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.
*** Jews claim the Messiah is just a man, because he is “born.” But they neglect to see that this person who is born has been around “from everlasting.”
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2. Messiah operates in the name of the Lord, who is HIS God.
Mic 5:4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
*** This is what Jesus did. He did not declare himself to be God. He said his father was God, and he was in his Father’s service. This upholds the Shema.
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3. The Messiah “gives up” the Jews until Israel is reborn again, and the remnant return
Mic 5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time [that] she [Israel] which travails hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
*** notice the order of events.
He “gives them up,” indicating something goes wrong. Daniel 9 indicates this too, and states the Mosiach is “cut off.”
Then Israel travails and brings forth (rebirth, which occurred in 1948).
If Israel is being reborn, that indicates a time period when Israel does not exist as a Jewish state.
Then finally, after the rebirth, the remnant returns.
It does not say he gathers them himself, but that they return on their own.
Some Jews think the Messiah has to show up first before they return – not true, according to Micah.
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4. Once he returns, he fights the Assyrian and establish peace
Mic 5:5 And this [man] shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
Mic 5:6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver [us] from the Assyrian, when he comes into our land, and when he treads within our borders.
Mic 5:9 Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off.
Mic 5:15 And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard.
*** The Assyrian enters the land to defeat Israel, but the Messiah delivers Israel from him. This helps identify who the Antichrist is, who is the last ruler to try to destroy Israel.
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I am not sure who the 7-8 men (shepherds) are, except they may be Israeli rulers who have had to directly deal with attacks by the Assyrian (Iraq).
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5. The remnant are a multitude, and will come from among many Gentiles
Mic 5:7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.
Mic 5:8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treads down, and tears in pieces, and none can deliver.
*** notice that the Jews at the time of the last return are not isolated in a few countries, but from among many people. This is the situation today. They live in almost every country around the world.
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This missed prophecy shows the Jews that the Messiah will come twice.
The first time, he gives them up, then he returns later to save them from their enemy, the Assyrian. The other details about his everlasting nature are also important.
Only someone with an everlasting nature can show up twice. However, it only says he was born once.
So who might that be?
Who has come once, born in Bethlehem, and said he was going to return to save them from their enemies?
Hopefully, this quick study will help those who witness to Jews about their Messiah.
The Jews and the Christians want the same thing. They both want the Jewish Messiah to come.
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The Jewish Messiah, the Jews, and the Assyrian « Heaven Awaits said this on April 22, 2009 at 5:07 pm |
Those that trust in The Lord shall be protected by Yahweh Himself! He shall be a wall of Fire for them who trust in Him!!!
2:5 For I,’ says Yahweh, ‘will be to her a wall of fire around it, and I will be the glory in the midst of her.
2:6 Come! Come! Flee from the land of the north,’ says Yahweh; ‘for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the sky,’ says Yahweh.
2:7 ‘Come, Zion! Escape, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon.’
2:8 For thus says Yahweh of Armies: ‘For honor he has sent me to the nations which plundered you; for he who touches you touches the apple of his eye.
Isaiah also states that “the Assyrian” will fight against Immanuel’s land at the end of time.
Isaiah 7: Immanuel is born, then on “that day,” or the end, the Assyrian shall come forth.
Isaiah 8: The Assyrian comes and causes darkness and distress
(remember that the end is the time of great distress)
Isaiah 9: But those in darkness shall see a great light, which is Immanuel (Unto us a child is born), and every warriors boot shall be burned…. from that time forward the governement shall be upn his shoulders (the millennium)
Isaiah 10: The Assyrian is judged as the Lord becomes a light and a flame. My people do not be afraid of the Assyrian any more, for I shall take care of him.
Isaiah 11: In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him (Jesus coming)
Isaiah 12: Assyria is destroyed and a highway for the redeemed is built
Isaiah 13: sun moon and stas fall (as the Lord returns)
Isaiah 14: Lucifer is juded and sent to the depths
AMAZING!
and the light of zisrael shall become a flame and destroy teh Assyrian in my land (Isaiah 7-11)
The “give them up” is not about the Jews. It is in reference to the House of Israel; thus, the mention of the remnant who returns. The Scriptures say YHVH is going to gather them and his angels/spirits are the agents He uses to do so. (I believe these are the spirits mentioned in Zech 6.) Our Assyrian captivity that began in 722 BCE will finally come to a triumphant end! I’m not sure who the 8 shepherds are, either. I guess time will tell…
Hi Gina,
I am not sure what you are meaning. I checked the Hebrew, and the Stone edition of the Tenach. To give up here, means to deliver up to enemies. The ruler will be born in Bethlehem, which is in Judah territory, but will deliver up his people to their enemies until the time of rebirth. This sounds terrible because it does not say why he does this. Other passages have to be examined to get the full picture.
Dear Marianne,
I am not disagreeing with you as Scripture usually has several layers of revelation. Here is what I gather from this book, which is, of course, open for criticism. (Note: Though I often read the NIV because it is what I have used since I was young, it isn’t even close to properly translating Micah, so I followed the KJV with Strongs.)
The book of Micah was written both to Jerusalem (Judah) and Samaria (Israel) as we see in the first verse. The key is finding out the audience he is referring to specifically in chapter 5, which can be a bit tricky. We really have to read the whole book to find out.
2:4 is where it first talks of “removing the portion of the people”. Now go back all the way to 1:6 to find out that Micah is talking to Samaria, whose calamity will go all the way down to Jerusalem (1:9). Further evidence is 2:7 where YHVH asks the House of Judah if they recognize that the destruction of Israel is indeed by His hand, reminding Judah that He is a rewarder of righteousness (and therefore would not have destroyed Israel if she were righteous). Then in 2:12 Micah talks about regathering the remnant of Jacob (aka. the House of Israel), who is led by the one who had “broken” them.
Chapter 3 starts with YHVH proclaiming that his judgement on the House of Israel is just. By the time you get to 3:6, YHVH is telling the House of Israel that they will experience a time of darkness, a time without prophets and seers. He goes on in 3:9-3:12 to tell the House of Israel that they are to blame for Judah following their example and Jerusalem will likewise be destroyed. (Of course, we saw this happen when the Assyrians took Israel into captivity and then the Babylonians took Judah into captivity.)
Then chapter 4 brings us to the last days. Jerusalem will once again be exalted and, from there, the Messiah will teach Torah to the nations, righteously judge the nations and bring peace. Then in 4:6-7, it talks about the Messiah gathering her who was “halted”, which Micah told us earlier was the House of Israel.
But 4:9-5:1 brings us back to the present day exile of the House of Israel, claiming again that they are experiencing a time with no king or counselor while they live in captivity. (Because Micah so far has been talking about the House of Israel, I propose the Babylon mentioned in 4:10 is not ancient Babylon who took Judah into captivity, but the future mystery Babylon of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Revelation, which I believe is the United States. In other words, the House of Israel is taken so far into captivity that she will be exiled to a mystery land that Micah, like the other prophets, can only describe as Babylon.) This section ends by telling us that the House of Israel, in their captivity, will forsake the law-giver. (This lines up with Hosea 2:11, where YHVH tells the House of Israel he will take away their Sabbaths, feast day, and new moon celebrations and make the Torah a strange thing.)
That brings us to Micah 5:2, which, in my opinion, is a better chapter division than 5:1. This verse tells us that the promised Messiah will be born in Bethlehem, but there is no indication that the subject of his message has changed from the House of Israel to the House of Judah. It just seems to be a statement. Thus, the “them” of 5:3 is still the House of Israel. (Remember Matthew 23 and Luke 13 tells us that Yahshua longed to gather all the children of Israel together when he came the first time, but because they would not have it thus, he declared they would remain desolate until his return.)
5:4b-6 is where Micah takes us back into the future when the remnant of the House of Israel has been regathered (5:4a belongs to 5:3.) and explains what happens before the Messiah comes. Assyria comes against the land of Israel, who sets a group of select men who go to battle against them and destroy Assyria successfully.
5:7-15 informs us that those nations where the House of Israel has been scattered (and remain until Israel’s war with Assyria) will be destroyed, their high places torn down, their graven images cut off and their diviners destroyed. The clue that let’s us know that these passages are talking about the lands of exile and not the land of Israel is the last verse which says that these things will happen to the heathen. (Goy=nations)
The entire sixth chapter is God pleading His case before His people, like an attorney would plead the case of his client before a judge. He wants the House of Israel to understand why He has sent them into exile–that his justice was righteous. He reminds them that they walked in the same councel as that of Omri and Ahab. He wants them desperately to know the righteousness of the Lord. Is that Torah? Yes, it always has been, but it is more than just obedience to Torah because obedience means nothing if it does not bring about sanctification. It means nothing without justice, mercy and humility (6:6-8).
Chapter 7 begins with the House of Israel’s response. Her eyes are opened and she can finally see her captivity. She realizes who she is and that she is surrounded by heathen in the land of heathen, but in 7:7-9 we see that she is willing to bear the indignation and wait on the (physical) salvation of YHVH, who will make himself know throughout the whole earth and rescue Israel, taking her back to the land and finally fulfill the promise He made to Abraham.
So, in conclusion, though Micah opens by telling us that he has a message to Samaria and Jerusalem, the entire book is really focused on the Kingdom of Israel, their sin (and how their sin affects Judah, who follows suit and is punished), their exile, their repentance and their return. In the midst, Micah lets us know that the Messiah will be born in Bethlehem but he will allow the House of Israel to remain in captivity until that which Bethlehem brought forth finally comes to rule.
Have I better explained myself or have I made myself more confusing????
HI Gina,
Yes. I understand your point.
The way I see it, is that Israel went astray long before Messiah came, and so was “put away.”
But by the time Messiah did come, Judah was getting that way also.
Since the only group Messiah, the ruler from Bethlehem, interacted with was the house of Judah, then there was only one group he could “put away,” when it rejected his message and had him crucified.
By 70 AD, Judah was invaded, destroyed, and scattered, just like the house of Israel.
Wow, you are so right on ! Thanks.
Question?
Isn’t Germany part of Assyria??? Old Assyria??
HI abigail
I have heard that many Assyrians migrated in the direction of Germany. I am not a history expert. We would have to look that up. They display similarities.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Sq6zSC6EZkoJ:www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/tw-mag.cgi%3Fcategory%3DMagazine50%26item%3D1190061343+assyrian+empire+germany+history&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
As an Assyrian I am shocked about the nagative propaganda and lies spread against the Assyrian people. It is an unethical and violent propaganda directed against the Assyrian people. The aim of this vicious propaganda is historical distortion, deception of the public and vilification of the Assyrian people.
The Assyrians didn’t migrate anyhwere, they have lived continously for more than 4000 years in their land Mesopotamia and still live there. Assyrians are Christians. The Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch, the Syriac Catholic Church, the Assyrian Church of the East and the Chaldean Catholic Church are Assyrian churches.
The Assyrian people are persecuted since centuries by invaders, occupiers and neighbours. Millions of Assyrians have been killed and lost their lives. This way the Assyrian people have been reduced to an oppressed and deprived small nation in their land Mesopotamia. Today, the Assyrian people are still persecuted and oppressed in Turkey, Iraq and Syria. Genocides against the Assyrian nation: http://www.aina.org/martyr.html
The Assyrian people love the Jewish people. There are no problems between Jews and Assyrians. Jews are our brothers and sisters. Those who try to fabricate and spread lies about Assyrians have a mental issue with themselves and cannot be good people. Good people do not fabricate lies in order to damage and vilify others.
@Marianne
the link you have posted is pure historical falsification, and vilification and defemation of the Assyrian people.
The Germans have absolutely no connection to the Assyrians and are not Assyrians. Assyrians are a distinct people from Germans and have their own culture, history, civilization, identity, language and faith. Assyrians are a Semitic people, Eastern Christians and speak Aramaic as their mother tongue.
Dear AssyrianLove,
My intent is not to misrepresent the entire population of Assyrians. This post is really about the coming messiah.
When the Hebrew text is written like this, it is referring to a particular individual, not an entire people. It is possible to have one dictator over a country that does not represent anyone in it.
As you know, the ancient Assyrian empire covered many territories which are now modern separate countries.
Syria
Iraq
Turkey
Jordan
Saudi Arabia
Lebanon
Egypt
Iran
Kuwait
Israel
Azerbaijan
Georgia
If you look at some of the language that comes out from the governments of Iran, and Lebanon, for example, you will see anti-Israel talk. Sadaam Hussein used to attack Israel.
Throughout history, there has been conflicts in that region, and many times they did include conflicts between Israel and its neighbors. In 1948, Israel was attacked by 5 of them at one time.
So the bible was just indicating that someone from one of these countries would, in the future, be part of an invasion into Israel.
So this prophecy has nothing to do with misrepresenting the Assyrian people as a whole.
It is just predicting a future conflict, which, from the description, sounds like the battle of Gog and Magog.
I really pray that all in that region, and around the world, do seek God, and repent of their sins, so that they can merit the forgiveness and protection of God. This is because any war or conflict takes lives.
The German connection is only a theory. The Germans are nice people, but even they had Hitler, who caused destruction, and misrepresented and mislead them. Today, again, as in most of their history, the Germans are still nice people.
Sometimes, when a group of people have had a bad leader, they are so sorry, that they become more vigilant about repeating that mistake again. Then, they become more motivated to be sure justice is always there from then on. The Germans are like this.
Dear Marianne,
this site and the lies people spread here are anti-Assyrian and are directed against the Assyrians as a people to vilify, defame and demonize them. I feel insulted and attacked by all who spread these lies and who vilify, demonize and defame the Assyrian name, my name. Why all these hatred and lies against the Assyrians?? Why do others not live us alone to live in peace and freedom?
The Assyrian empire in its largest period of expansion didn’t encompass all the states you mention above. The Assyrian empire was not the only empire, there had been much larger empires. If it encompassed some of the territories you mentioned outside of Mesopotamia then only for a short period of time. Assyria is what is called also Mesopotamia, the land between the rivers Euphrates and Tigris. This is the ancestral land of the Assyrians (called also Syriacs, Arameans, Chaldeans) and where Assyrians continuously lived despite persecutions and oppression throughout the centuries. Mesopotamia (Assyria) is today part of Syria, Iraq and southeast Turkey.
Geographically to the east of Assyria there were Urartu and different Iranian states/empires and peoples etc.. If some regions that are today part of Iran and Azerbaijan came under Assyrian rule then only for a short period of time. It has no importance. That Georgia was under Assyrian rule is not true. That Saudi Arabia was under Assyrian rule is not known to me and has also no importance, the place was known in ancient times surely not under this name. Kuwait didn’t exist as a state during Assyrian rule. The fact that it is today a state is the result of he Islamic conquest in Middle East.
Egypt was for the most time an ally of Assyria. Only Lower Egypt became for around 20 years a vassal state of the Assyrian kings. The descendants of the ancient Egyptians are the Copts who are Eastern Christians and who are also perscuted and oppressed (http://www.copts.com/english/ )
The territory on which Turkey was founded was not under Assyrian rule beside parts of southeast Turkey, and in those parts which are geographically within Mesopotamia live Assyrians till today, currently around 3000 persons in the region called Tur Abdin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tur_Abdin ). The Assyrian regions in Turkey are: Tur Abdin with Nisibis, Edessa, Mardin and some other cities and towns. However almost all of them are today eradicated from Assyrians and other Christians. In 1915 over 750.000 Assyrians were killed in a Genocide (Sayfo) by the Joung Turks and Kurds. Those who survived had to flee 30 years later because of persecution, harassment and discrimination by Kurds and Turkish authorities to other countries (USA, Europe, Australia) and form today an Assyrian diaspora.
Even if many of the countries you mentioned above came for a short period under Assyrian rule 3000 years ago, how it is relevant today? What has it all to do with the Assyrians as a people? What have Assyrians to do with the countries you mentioned? Nothing!!!! None of thess states is an Assyrian state. They are Iranian, Turkish and Arab states that have nothing to do with Assyrians. Their policies are Iranian, Turkish, Arab policies. The problems between these states and Israel are political and religious and are problems between these states and Israel. The Assyrians have nothing to do with all these problems and conflicts. The Assyrians themselves are persecuted and oppressed, they have no state and no government (http://www.nurikino.com/upload/By_God_-_Six_Days_in_Amman.doc.pdf ; http://www.aina.org/reports/ig.pdf ).
What I see here on this blog are apocalyptic thinking, lies and a black-and-white as well as one-sided description and judging. This cannot be good and just.
regarding the germans:
Whether Germans are nice or not is not important and not the question here. The article/link you posted about the Germans being connected to the Assyrians is not a theory but a BIG LIE, SUPERSTITION and HISTORICAl FALSIFICATION to vilify and demonize the Assyrians and to falsify Assyrian history. It is a LIE spread by racist and cultic groups who are in my opinion dangerous psychopaths.
The same LIE is also spread about the Israelites. These lies are a crime against the Assyrians, the Israelites (which means also the Jewish) and a crime against humanity, the truth and the history.
Here the same racist lies repeated about the Israelites:
http://www.imninalu.net/myths-brits.htm
Dear AssyrianLove,
I have already told you that there is no intent to discredit anyone. So, your comments are allowed, which shows my fairness, but I am not going to honor them, by defending myself repeatedly against an unjustified complaint from your imagination.
You are just assigning imaginary meanings to all this.
Assyrians, like every population group, has done their share of killing and persecution. No group is innocent.
The bible I am quoting is from 3000 years ago. Keep things in context.
Take the time if it seems at hand? Forget everything you know about prophecies for a moment.What bliss it is?Now what truly matters about the bible is the account of our existence.Our personification in what we know as good moral ethics,and respect.For others as well as our own families.Most humans know wrong from right.Take account of the fact that others aspire to acquire sustenance and provisions for their families.We were all once children in need of nourishment and love etc… unfortunately the manna has not fallen since biblical times that I’m aware of?The exception of the air forces flying over with relief aid.The world population is exceeding.The supply and demand,the availability of natural resources is threatened by man made,as well as natural disasters.The fuel,the man power,the machinery delivers nourishment.Mankind seems to have a need to utilize powers to destroy rather than build.It’s diabolical to send missiles towards innocent women,and children.A sanctuary seems to be community.Yet others are threatened by the thought of their sanctuary being destroyed.So they destroy neighboring sanctuaries because nobody will bring peace no resolve.Many humans are without love because they never experience love.Yet they have another form of love the desire to receive for their selves alone.A lust,thirst or a hunger.Jealousy,greed bitterness and envy.Anyhow good and evil is ever present.If you despise evil then you shall desire to be good vice verse evidently.Malevolent and benevolence.Sorrow and serenity.Vengeance and forgiveness good and evil the knowledge thereafter.So many souls upon earth,and looking towards the heavens,I’m pondering other earth like planets.I think we begin to wonder if mankind will unite as one. Once mankind realizes that the other being’s are creating this hate between neighboring countries to destroy mankind.Perhaps its mind control and deception.Consider the stars,and what we all have in common,despite our cultural differences.Most men will admit that women from every culture are indeed beautiful.Perhaps the reasons wars breakout is over the women.Women are so beautiful,and children are precious in the minds of parents.Sadly many are without parents.Shema etc… what have you.
Hi Mic,
True, we all have the same basic needs. One day we will all be one, under Messiah. Evil will be gone, and the good will prevail. Until then, we try to strive for the good, and shun evil.
Hi All,
I am an Assyrian born and raised in Australia.
I am very interested in history. As I read more and more about Assyrian’s and Israeli’s I find that much of the history is all over the place, everyone has their own opinion and it is difficult to know what is correct.
I just want to say that I am happy that we Assyrians and Israeli’s have kept our identities and traditions, as we all know it is pretty difficult to do so when living in multicultural societies.
I know that we Assyrians and Israeli’s have differences but i can’t help searching for similarities. For instance our alphabet, its almost identical.
We should all embrace our history no matter what we went through, it is who we are today
Hi Bell
The reason for the interest in Assyrians now is due to ancient predictions that certain groups will fight in the last days. Of course, this is a generalization, since many people groups have migrated all over the globe since ancient times.
The Assyrian mentioned above is one individual of Assyrian descent. It may not mean the entire people group is involved.
It is a concern anyhow, because any war causes harm to those in it. We try to learn from history to avoid future conflicts, but it does not always work this way.
Current events do seem to reinforce the idea of another major war in the middle east. I hope people try to stay out of it, since it will be a dangerous time.
Nice points brought up from the Book of Micah. Thanks.
How do you know whether or not the Germans are related to us Assyrians…through my research it looks like its true…everyone came from somewhere in our region…unless you dont believe in God
hi Ashur
That might be true. You have to study the history of Germany to find out.
Yes Germans are related to Assyrians…only disagreements we have with Jews is the one’s who do not believe in Jesus…they are still our brothers/sisters…
Well there are two Bethlehem’s and God did keep his promise to plant her himself in the Jezreel Valley. He also sent her twice, he kept his promises and fulfilled many prophecies.
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WOW! Interesting discussion here! I did not read every post made but I would like to point out to everyone something you “may” be over-looking. You know when Jesus/God speaks of captivity, He is not always speaking of a physical or religious or racist type of captivity. But then, I think we all know this. Also, He is not always speaking of the House of…specifically, as in the “Old Testament”. For “IF” we accept the fact that Jesus died for “our” sins, then that means ALL of us, from that point forward, we are one people. As for the captivity that remains (in my opinion) He is referring to how the world is still under the “Rule of the Roman Empire!” YES, we are in the “End Times”, for the “Roman Empire” is fracturing, as you read this! When you discover that “Vatican City” IS the capital and ruling center of the Roman Empire and look closely, NO, investigate their “deceiving ways” and find out for yourselves that they “ARE” the largest “MONEY-LAUNDERERS” OF ALL TIME!” and rise up with the Lord to eliminate their HYPOCRISY once and for all…then, and only then, will we be free!
HI Bob
I would agree. Also, think of all the Muslims in “captivity” as well. And all the other religions and atheists.
I just looked at a map on the following site:
http://www.aina.org/articles/habash.htm
which shows where “Assyria” used to lie. The seven or eight “Shepherds”, may refer to the “current-day” Assyrian people in those countries that Assyria has been divided into. If you look, Assyria has been divided into seven countries! If the Assyrian movement were given the opportunity, the Assyrian people could “re-claim” their land and become the “Christians” they really are! (perhaps the eight “Shpherd”?) Please excuse me if I didn’t explain myself fully, I hope you can read between the lines and understand what I am trying to say!
Hello Marianne!
It’s always a pleasure to make the acquaintance of another Christian! And I DO, think of all the repression and enslavement and atrocities that take place around the world due to the greed and hypocrisy introduced to through Lucifer (for lack of a better reference) who started it all. I Pray to God, for the return of Jesus! Since, I know, we are om the “End Times”, I truly believe I shall “see” His return as Jesus prophesied. “…not a generation shall pass that does not witness my return…” (paraphrased, of course)!
God Bless You and Your Family, Marianne!
We Assyrian have believed in Jesus wihtout seeing him, but you jewish have killed and rejected him eventhough he was among you.
we Assyrian are from the 99 unlost sheeps. we assyrian love everybody and everybody loves us, but what about you?
what logic will make jesus whom we love, will attack us, or just you being prejudice is in your veins?
though again we assyrians love jewish and israeals.
hi Ashour
This is just to let you know that this is a Christian site, not a Jewish one.
The bible calls the “antichrist” – or fierce leader of the end times – the Assyrian. But this only means the man is from, or is a descendent of, the ancient territory of the Assyrian empire.
It is not referring to all people who live there now.
Of course, there are bad people everywhere in every country.
This does not matter if the country is America, Spain, Syria or China.
If you belong to Jesus and love and trust in Him, Jesus is not going to attack you.
Jesus will not attack anyone.
Jesus is only going to defend Israel, the holy land, when it gets attacked by many nations at Armageddon.
People who live at peace and do not want war, will not be involved with this Armageddon war, and so they will not be hurt.
Hello Ashour!
I recently met a young lady whom I subsequently have totally “fallen-in-love” with who is, “Assyrian!” And believe me when I say, my heart goes out to the Assyrian people altogether as you no longer have a country to call your own! This young lady made me realize just how much, the Assyrian people love Jesus…probably more than any other group on the face of this Earth!
As I was searching the Scriptures, I cam across one in particular that indicates Israel, and Egypt, shall be as Assyria…or something to that extent. I’ll have to look it up and get back to you on that. In any case, the point of it is that these three nations are ALL GOOD in the Eyes of God and Jesus Christ!
AND MARIANNE! Perhaps it means that the “antichrist” is “Muslim”, which are the people that have (for lack of a better term) “enslaved” the Assyrian people in their “own” land??? just a thought!
Dear Marianne, i have read the bible in more than 5 languges but i did not see any statement that mention about assyrian as anti-christ. this is just from your imagination. but for sure i saw more than 1000 statements jesus coursing the jewish people and calling them children of evil.
also most important when jesus was coursing you said: in the last days i will let the assyrians control you.
other thing is why you are afraid to claim yourself as a jewish since the main talk of yours is about israel not about jesus.
is it isreal winning over other countries is more important than the kingdom of jesus to a christian like me? no, with all my respect i do not care about israel winning the war or lose in the last days, and why all this hate in the first place. this talk in itself is anti-christ. becuse jesus said all people did mistake. and taught us to love not to hate.
we admit and happy that isreals are now the most powerfull people on the face of the earth.
Dear Bob i respect your emotion and thank you for that.
We are really same people but only difference between us is that you jewish choose to be leader of physical life but we assyrian choose to be leader of real life. You are mistaken my brother we are much stronger now than the time of Assyrian impire in its peak, because we have won the love of jesus.
and we Assyrian love the jewish to share with us in jesus kingdom.
iam really happy to chat with my brothers.
God bless and keep Assyria and Israel people for ever amen.
Oh please do not mistake me for being “Jewish”, for I am not…I am “Christian” first, American second, and a “man” third…everything else comes after that! Mexican-Indian/Spanish (on my Mom’s side), German/Dutch and most of all, Irish!
hi ashour
THe ancient assyrian empire is represented by several modern countries.
The concept of the fierce leader (Old testament name, new testament called antichrist) coming from this territory is here:
Other passages from Daniel indicate he would also come from the ancient selucid empire. So, the leader would come from an area that is shared, or common to, both assyrian and selucid empires…..Ezechiel further narrows this down and mentions gog and magog………so the leader comes from that area of the world…That is the only point.
There are 508 posts on this site, and they are not all about Israel. Many are about the church and prophecy and Jesus. You can look at the menu on the right side column, and see the topics.
The reason Israel is mentioned is that many prophecies center around Israel, so if we watch what happens there, we will know what prophecies are being fulfilled.
The important thing to be, as you point out, is to have the love of Jesus in your heart. Only Jesus saves us from the enemy, which is Satan.
Dear Marianne,
we christians believe in jesus and we don’t and never believe in danial, because danial was an anti-christians,prjudice and he hated other nations especially assyrians. so danial is not different from the jewish who concor the assyrian moseum in Bagdad and stole most of our artifacts. most of the old testament has changed by anti-christ, making it to satisfy their desir. jesus was very clear in his words and his thousends of statements ,when he claimed that the jewish are the only anti-christ in the world. also we christians believe that jesus will fight the anti-christians jewish and make them under the control of assyrians, because the assyrians are the stake of god to fight the anti-christ jewish. by making the assyians(or one person) as anti-christ you are making of jesus as lier and we christian do not appricaite that. this is the reason nor jesus and nor people likes you. but definitely jesus will love you if you promise to stope on trying to decieve others and lie. Please try to believe in jesus not in danial or other hatred people.
my friend you put so much money and energy to change the truth, but the problem who believe in you?
Everywhere the jewish and Israel try to make of us as bad as possible, but you have one definit problem, no one bleive in you.
please again, go to new testiment and you will see clearly who is the anti-christ ( they are thousends of statements, you can not miss it)
Bob sorry if i have offonded you. this is not matter of jewish or other. and don’t mistaken me because i really love jewish and israel people becuse they are really our people.
again i love jewish and like them to come with us to love jesus,and not wasting time with physical world,since the physical world will disappear anyway, but jesus words never disappear.
god bless Assyria and jewish people as they are same people and will be same people and with love of jesus will make it to happend.
hi Ashour,
The prophet Daniel was not anti-christian, because Christians did not exist then. He lived in Babylon much of his life, and had visions from God there. Remember at one time, different peoples fought each other. This is not always true today. The conflict now is between Muslims and Jews.
There are Christians in every nation now, so the nationality does not matter as much as it used to. Someone could tell me the Antichrist was an American, and I would not be offended. This is because this spirit is in every country now.
Hi Ashour!
Don’t worry…I’m not easily “offended”…as I “know” Jesus loves me! AND I completely “agree” with your viewpoint about what Jesus wants from us which is for everyone to “love one another”…without regard to heritage, race, wealth, abilities, health, wisdom, etc., as “we” are all descendants of, “ADAM!”
God opened my eyes to the “plight” of the Assyrian people of today through a young “Assyrian” lady I have “fallen-in-love” with, and ask everyone to say, a little “Prayer” for me, that one day, if it is God’s Will, shall “Marry!”
Dear Bob and Marianne,
you both are great people, and it was pleasure for me to chat with you both. and i can tell from your words you both good people and good christians and god bless you both . It just bothered me becuse We assyrian in middle east have always defended the jewish against arab muslims, and many assyrians have been set in jail just because they told the muslims that the jerusalem belong to isreal and not to arabs (this is truth should be told).
Dear Bob, i will pray for you, but you should take care of her well after marraige.
dear Marriane iam just kind of blaming my brother jewish and not and never hate, and i will never think to hate jewish, becuse jesus loved them and we love jesus.
God bless isreal and make it win over barbarian muslem arabs.
God bless assyrians and make them strong agains muslim aggressions.
Thank You Very Much for the kind words and Prayer, Ashour! It sincerely means a great deal to me! And believe me, “God and Jesus Christ” as My Witness, I WILL take good care of her…and “honor” her the Way God intended “men” to do!
God Bless Ashour! And I say a special “Prayer” for All those throughout the World who are being “deprived” of their “God-given Right to Freedom!”
hi Ashour
Christians who live in Muslim territories have very difficult lives. We admire them for that.
The bible teaches that, even though Jesus mostly confined himself to Israel, that he did reach the Syrians before he left. This shows the redemption of the Syrian people was important to him.
They were some of the first Christians.
A brother in Christ is a brother forever, and the country does not matter.
dear bob thank you so much for prayers, you are a good christian, god bless you.
dear Marianne: though i don’t agree everything with you, we are really brothers as christians besides having same origins.
what i meant by anti-christ porpusly to let you know that jesus was himself yahwa. also i believe that the war is not between muslims and isreal but is really between christians and anti-christians,if you look it at larger scope.
20:13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I
will send my beloved son: it may be when they see him they will
reverence him.
20:14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among
themselves, saying, This is the heir; come, let us kill him,
that the inheritance may be ours.
20:15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed [him].
What therefore will the lord of the vineyard do to them?
20:16 He will come and destroy these husbandmen, and will give
the vineyard to others.
God bless bob and Marianne and all who have good hearts.
God bless Isreal and Assyria and make them work hand in hand against the aggression of barbarians.
this will be my last comment,
thanks
We love you Ashour!! God bless you!
In God’s eye, or the way GOD sees it, Mesopatamia is Assyria, Assyria will never die/perish. Even thou man has carved up the middle east and re-named it, it is and always will be Assyria. Can the antichrist come from “Assyria” but not be Assyrian-yes. I think this is where everyone is getting confused.
Assyrians and Jews are the same people, you can debate it but the truth is the truth, just like Babylonians, Akkadians, Sumerians, Chaldeans, Assyrians are all but the same and includes our brothers the Jews.
Assyrians converted to Christians and have lived as Christians under many different circumstances as best they can, under diaspora, oppression, hatred, holocaust, etc, We will be around until the end of times.
Jesus loved Assyrians so much he chose his poeple “Jews” to come from Assyrians, mentioned Assyrians, blessed Assyrians, spoke Assyrian. God will never ever forget Assyria!
hi kaldron
I would agree with that. Abraham came from Assyria.
Also what empires and governments do in their disputes does not always reflect the desire or will of the people.
Isaiah spoke of hope and redemption for the Assyrians, and final unity with Israel:
May God bless you and take care of you.
Many jewish aproach me, asking about my nationality, i say i am an Assyrian, they get a red face and they act as never heard of this name and keep gessing syrian ……syrian, yet they claim christianity. I know in their secret meetings they preach against us and work nationally against us. My friends what ever you can do, you will do it like the intiligent Elbert Enistien, who claims German dead scientist job to be his own.
I am an Assyrian,my parents taught me to love the jewish eventhough they work tediously against us everyday. the jewish mafia in north iraq was responsible of extream harm against assyrians whether rape, killing, bombarding our churches and killings our be
ishops, priests. The simileh massacer, the biggest massacer in the history of human being. 50 000 thousends women children assyrians were killed by arabs in few days, was planed by jewish generals in England evil empire.
keep on working against us, keep on teaching your children to hate us.
keep on decieveing, lying and manipulating. We Assyrians will teach our chidren to love you. you will do what ever harm you can do, but we will never care
moshe
There are christians all over the world. the nationality does not always describe the religion.
Correct it:
only Isreal are Gods people, never read or seen that syrian are Gods people too.
Ibraham came from Or city.
Syrian word came from Assyrian. As-syrian. this is Greek problem not our problem. just read the western research archologist you will know.
Jewish everywhere have proved that they are against us, physically or educationally