Jezebel wife and mother
** the reverse can be true also, it can be a jezebel father and husband, so as one reads, consider the opposite going on, and it is the man doing the controlling, instead of the mother.
For the lips of a forbidden woman drip honey,
and her speech is smoother than oil,
but in the end she is bitter as wormwood,
sharp as a two-edged sword.
Her feet go down to death;
her steps follow the path to Sheol;
she does not ponder the path of life;
her ways wander, and she does not know it. Proverbs 5: 4-7
***Men who have married and fathered children with Jezebel (sociopathic) women face special challenges. They deserve all our love and support. The courts often do not recognize that a sociopathic woman is incapable of functioning as a mother. Fathers are left to helplessly watch as precious children suffer at the hands of their mother.
The courts would be wise to get smart and take heed because studies of adopted children reveal a terrible truth about female sociopaths. Female sociopaths carry stronger genes for the disorder than do males. A mother is more likely to pass this trait to children she has never met, than is a father.
Psychologists, and the court system, because they are fundamentally humanists, and not religious, do not see the demonic aspect of the Jezebel, and so label her as a sociopath, or as anti-social. Therefore, the success of counseling by an atheistic or agnostic therapist will have some, but limited, results. Therapy will also take a lot longer. Years longer.
The victim really needs prayer, deliverance, and to get away from the Jezebel, unless they are going to tackle the challenge of delivering the Jezebel spirit out of her to restore the family.
Traits:
Controlling, irresponsible, dishonest, will lie without remorse
inability to love, and put others first – selfish
never wrong, so never sorry about anything
may either be the aggressive type, or the sneaky type
non-stop turmoil in the family, through multiple generations, and is a charming and frightening menace.
makes singularly vile false allegations, and calls the police
emotional blackmail
originally, may have become pregnant with or without marriage—then uses the child to sponge off of the father for as long as possible.
may emotionally damage the child, trying to turn him or her into a manipulative mini-me. In the most despicable cases, the children are exploited.
may allow a new partner to sexually abuse the child
may cause traumatic stress disorder in innocent family members
creates a sense of frustration and hopelessness in victims
Courts are unlikely to take the child away from the mother, unless she does something terrible, and it can be proven. That may not happen. Jezebels are skilled at going up to the legal limit but not crossing it. They know just when to stop so they can keep the support check coming.
uses the children to control the husband
husband will feel constantly drained in every way – emotionally, financially, mentally, physically, etc.
will make the husband or children feel like they are to blame for anything wrong that happens at home.
very critical, venomous
will lie to the children about the father
children can become withdrawn, or end up like mom when they grow up- this may seem opposite logic, but it will be the opposite sex child, rather than the same sex child. This is because the opposite sex child will innately desire the approval of the Jezebel parent, and will subconsciously try to mirror the parents’ behavior in order to get that approval. Or the child can go in the opposite direction, and become an “Ahab” See post about Ahab.
children can become alienated from the father, being influenced by the mother.
can end up making others support her, as if it is their eternal duty to her- parasitic.
I have heard this in one case- where the children were divided between the 2 parents. the mother took the healthy one, and left the father with the sick one, and did not offer to help with the sick one’s expenses.
she may file false police reports on husband to prevent him from seeing children
father will get dragged through the courts multiple times in a few years. Each case can involve hundreds of pages of documents that he has to answer, repeated submissions of ‘new’ evidence or complaints, and many days in court at a huge cost, sometimes forcing the husband to borrow money.
accuses spouse of not caring about child. changes the access arrangements at the last minute, and when husband is not available, or can’t get to changeover that quickly, she tells child that husband doesn’t want the child.
many petty actions to make life difficult
children can have frequent nightmares, and need frequent reassurance from father. After extended holiday contact with her mother, child can return very clingy, and sleeps in father’s bed for a couple of nights, until she/he settles down. Child is very easily frustrated, and is very hard on herself, since she has been made to feel guilty about just about anything.
child will eventually learn that the jezebel parent is lying, and will consider them cruel, mean, and neglectful. The child will learn not to trust the jezebel parent.
in case of a remarriage – the step mother jezebel may be viewed as the “wicked step mother” by the children. She will not care about them, but will interfere with the real biological mother’s rights or relationship with the children.
jezebel parent will cause relationship problems with the spouses’ parents.
Suggested Corrective actions
Document all negative activity, and get witnesses to back you up, esp for court situations..
if the father will provide the child with as much love and affection as he can, this will help him counteract the negative influence of the sociopathic, jezebel mother. And if the woman really starts to become dangerous, his documentation will help him save his child.
Explain to the child…..“Yes, dear, I know your mother doesn’t like me very much right now since the divorce. She is angry at me right now, and I understand that. Sometimes when people become angry at another person they say or do bad things. Anger is not an excuse to do bad things, but I do understand how she feels. I hope that she will resolve this anger and that she and I can be friends. I am your dad and I will always love you, even if I am angry at you, I will never quit loving you.” etc.
The father should also validate the child’s feelings on this by maybe saying, “I love you, and I think that sometimes when you talk to me on the telephone it upsets your mother. You do not have to choose between me and your mother. It is okay with me for you to love your mother even though we don’t agree on things. Just because she is mad at me doesn’t mean that I am angry with her or that I want you to quit loving her.”
Important for the child to know that they do NOT HAVE TO QUIT LOVING ONE PARENT in order to please the other one.
It is very important to support the child, and build up her self-esteem to counteract all the put-downs and criticisms received from the jezebel parent.
It is important to support the child’s relationship with the other parent because they do love them, despite the way they are treated.
In case of (your) broken promises…… reassure child that you will not deceive her, or break a promise, unless you explain to her why you had to break the promise, and that you will make it up later. Like if you have to break a promise to take her to the zoo, because your car needs repair.
If deliverance, rather than separation, is desired, read the following:
The Roots of Jezebel…. …. Click here for more
The Sneaky, Charming Jezebel… Click here for more
Identify and remove the Jezebel spirit.. Click here for more
Healing for Jezebel…. Click here for more
Testimony from someone with a Jezebel (sociopathic) mother
I wish I could find some books to read about how to heal from this horrible nightmare of growing-up.
I really don’t want to refer to her anymore as my mother. So for reasons of communicating this, I’m calling her my birth incubator. Sorry if this label seems cruel you just don’t know the hell I went through.
Since birth, she was neglectful per my Grandparents and Aunts and Uncle. when I became a toddler, she started becoming physically and mentally abusive (my relatives have harbored guilt feelings for not intervening).
During my growing-up years I don’t recall hearing of this behavior, and people normally didn’t interfere into other families business.
Plus sociopaths freak most people, because sociopaths don’t have a conscience. My therapist is educating me on how demented sociopaths are.
***note: therapists can only help a certain amount here. They do not understand this is a demonic spirit. They just consider the jezebel a mean person.
They view the world as one big game, revolving around themselves. People are viewed to a sociopath as pawns and victims.
I decided to write in this when I had read a message from a previous topic about a mother who has been deceitful, and lied much about her child’s father.
I grew-up with the feeling of looking in from the outside so to speak about my family. There were occasional negative remarks about her hating my father, and yet when my sisters would remark to her why does she make those types of statements to me and not to them, she would reply that she loves their dad, but hates mine.
She had many times put me in harms way.
There was Christmases when I was young that there wasn’t a gift under the tree for me, and yet there was much for the rest. She would pull me aside and make a comment that my dad didn’t give her money for me (I was a young child then).
She would never explain to me what she meant, and told me if I cried that I would be punished, and that if I told anyone what she said, then she would tell them I’m crazy.
I’m dealing now with a lot of awaking from suppressed memories of my childhood with her.
I’ve dealt with depression most of my life and not knowing why (there is loads of suppressed memories).
The worst of it all is that not only was I raped a couple of times when I was sixteen, but that she knew about it, and I believe she set me up all because of her hate for a man I don’t know.
This information I’m writing about is only a small percent of the hell I lived through with her.
I think now that she can’t deal with the fact that she was unfaithful to her husband while he was a sailor (Navy) out on duty, and that I must look a lot like my biological father, that instead of her behaving maturely about her human weakness, she has projected all this on me.
For years, I never discussed any of this, until my sisters apologized for taking part in the abusive games that the birth incubator had them participate in.
My Grandparents and Aunts and Uncle are apologizing, for not stopping it. This, and other, reasons have made me look closer into why, and how to deal with the emotions I had to suppress to survive.
A few years ago, a man contacted me on the telephone and told me he’s my biological father, and that he’s sorry for how I was treated, and unwarrantedly, he blames himself.
I’m her scape goat and I refuse to allow him to be hers as well. This woman needs to grow-up, and yet never will. I don’t have a relationship with this man, and I wish I could. He wouldn’t give me his name.
And when I had asked the birth incubator about my legal birth documents being sealed, she has told everyone that I’m crazy. And refuses to allow my dad who raised me take a DNA test to prove paternity.
There is no shame for her. I pray that God will reveal all the truth no matter how ugly it may be. I can just imagine how pathetic I must sound when this message is being read. However, I know I’m not the only one who has had the unfortunate contact with one of these sick types.
Interesting science: testimony from the husband of a Jezebel (serum testosterone levels !!):
***note: values ranging from the low 200s to over 1200 ng./dl. is considered normal for men, and from 15 to 70 ng./dl. is considered normal for women.
It’s not theory. We got the labs tests to prove it! Serum is much thicker than water.
From my experience I can tell you that the female sociopath I was conned by was tested and she had more testosterone than I! She complained to me that her level of 300 was, like everything else, MY fault!
For a time I required adjuctive testosterone therapy because my body was making none! And Maria claimed that my topical gel was responsible for her elevated levels of testosterone. [I took all necessary precautions and should her levels have gotten even higher, there’s no telling how aggressive she may have become! She never came in contact with the gel per the instructions on the packets.]
***stress has a known effect on hormone levels
Never mind that she was addicted to uppers & downers and she lied to our physician about taking drugs!
My T levels are now normal and my body makes it own. Still, it is nowhere as high as M’s were back then.
It is going on 2 years now and I am finally coming out it.
BTW, the sex wasn’t so good. At least not for me, but I am certain that it was for her.
Come to think of it, she complained about it lasting too long and being unnatural to go that long. No woman had ever previously complained to me about that!
But, seeing how she worked as a prostitute for a decade in the in the “ritzy area” of St. Louis as Her Own Mother put it, I guess anything over 5 minutes and/or beyond premature ejaculation was “abnormal” to Maria.
God, THANK YOU for taking her out of my life. The cost has been tremendous. At times, almost unbearable. But I am starting to see my way out of it.
Doctors response to ex-husband:
Perhaps the stress of living with a female sociopath actually reduced your testosterone level. I am very glad to hear you are seeing your way clear. That can often take a long time. I also thank God every day that I lived through this with the strength to recover. Those of us who have had this experience share a common bond.
Books to read:
“Small Sacrifices” by Ann Rule (a sociopathic mother)
“If You Really Loved Me” by Ann Rule (a sociopathic father)
See also the Jezebel series (note that there is more than one page):
Click here for more
References:
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/04/14/dads-troubles-with-a-sociopathic-ex-wife/
http://www.consumerpi.com/q_&_a.htm
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/02/02/female-sociopath-first-described-4000-years-ago/
http://www.thebody.com/content/art32237.html
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The Jezebel wife and mother « Heaven Awaits said this on May 16, 2008 at 3:19 pm |
Marianne I was looking at a couple of videos about a brave muslim woman named Wafa Sultan on you tube. After the video was finished I accidentally clicked on the wrong video, and in this video, a woman yelled uncontrollably at everyone in the house, her three daughters and husband were accused of not being prayerful etc… basically there was nothing that they could say to convince her otherwise and the whole scene was just abusive. The husband comforted the youngest daughter and shook his head in disgust, but other than that, he didn’t make any attempts to confront his wife’s ungodly behavior. I personally believe that that behavior is a result of an individual not taking their sins and the sins committed against them to God and over time it just gets worse. And I agree with you, I see this in a lot of men. But I disagree with labeling sin with the term “Jezebel”. It equates the sin of “controlling” to be female, and the sin of “cowardice” to be male. Christ does not call the sin of “lording over” female or equate it to the female gender. That thinking has it’s source in the enmity of the serpent against the woman. Sin is neither male or female.
I would appreciate it if you could sent me the website of the video regarding the woman yelling at all in the house.
she might be referring to this video
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Oh Marianne there is an author named Stormie Omartian who shares from her heart a similar story and her journey to healing as well. I think the promise of God to give you beauty for ashes describes both of your testimonies.
Hi Diane,
I agree. A Jezebel can be either male or female. It just happens that a female name is used to denote the type of behavior seen.
The Jezebel name comes from the Bible, I guess you know, where someone acted like this. I also have some posts where I am calling men this, when they act a certain way also.
If you look above, I am not calling the husband cowardly, although that might be one response. I AM calling him oppressed.
Spouses have many conflicts about divorce, since they are worried about their children, and do not really want to break up. They want the family unit to work. So there might be delays in finally separating. This does not make them cowardly, but just conflicted, as to what to do.
The stress with this kind of abuse can really affect hormone levels, and make the victims sick.
Do you think I need to make this more clear above?
marianne
I apologize, if I gave the impression that I was referring to the man in the story above, I’m not, and I agree that oppression is definitely what people suffer when in a relationship described above, and need encouragement, prayer and support. I also apologize for possibly coming across without compassion regarding a person being in conflict about what to do, I have been in that place many many times, but I know that at some point you have to rise up in the Spirit of God and confront. On the video it is not possible for me to see the response of the father after the event, so it is possible that he is confronting the issue. Thank you for pointing that out to me, I stand corrected. My use of the term “cowardice” was directed to people being considered an “Ahab”. (I can’t remember what post that was used in – but again I’m referring to “sin” being labeled “Ahab” male)
What I disagree with, is sinful behavior being labeled ‘female’ with the name “jezebel”. My understanding is that there are 2 women named Jezebel in the Bible, (there could be more, I am just not aware of them). One who was married to Ahab and the other who taught Gods servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols in the Church in Thyatira. I don’t see where Christ uses a female name in denoting “controlling” “lieing” “manipulative” behavior, nor does Christ use a male name to denote “wimpy” “spoiled” behavior.
Though I know you are definitely addressing “controlling” “lieing” and manipulative behavior and mean no harm, labeling that behavior ‘female’ is harmful.
Hi Diane,
this is the Ahab link. These guys really do not care what is going on. They just let it happen.
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/do-you-have-an-ahab/
Oh well, I just used the name because it is in the bible. If it was a man that acted like this, and his name was Benjamin, then I would use the expression Benjamin spirit, just because it was used in a certain way. The situation could have been the other way or around, and Ahab could have been the controlling one, and Jezebel could have been passive. In that case, I would use the expression the “ahab spirit” to mean lying and manipulative.
here is a post where I use the expression Jezebel to mean a man, not a woman….
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/the-charismatic-male-jezebel-conquest-by-romance-and-assimilation/
I hope this helps. Women do get most of the blame for things. That is why hurricanes were named after women for a long time before someone complained.
marianne
Marianne you said “if it was a man that acted like this…”
There are many evil men in the bible who fit those characteristics, and they are mentioned more times in the bible for those sins than women.
Please forgive me for writing comments that you may perceive as ‘negative’, I’ve just been spending some more time on your site, & there are certain things coming to mind as I’m reading that I believe I’m to share with you…
…One thing that jumped out at me in this article, (& numerous others where you’re advising how to deal with wicked people) is your advice to ‘write down everything, keep a record of everything…” & yet the Bible says that “Love keeps NO record of wrongs!”
If the battle is the Lord’s, & HE is our defender, (so we don’t need to defend ourselves) & we’ve laid down all our rights, & NOTHING can happen to us that He doesn’t allow (unless we’re out of His will, & allowing people/situations into our lives that are sinful…though even then, He promises to work ALL things together for GOOD for those who love Him, & are called according to His purpose…following our repentance & restoration, of course…) then it’s clear that He will protect us, lead us in our relationships, show us how to get those out of our life He doesn’t want there (though sometimes He may bring/allow ungoldy poeple into out lives simply for us to shine the light to them…)
Unfortunately, many believers get used, abused, taken advantage of…but we’re to love our enemies, pray for those despitefully using us, etc.
We are not victims, but are to be victors!
We need to see ALL people, even the most wicked sinners, through the eyes of love, even if we need to ask God to remove them from our lives, (which can sometimes mean Him showing us what to do…but I believe it should be HIM leading in this, & our depending on Him in the face of abusers.
I also believe having such intimate descriptions of this man’s previous sexual relationship with his wife totally inappropriate to a forum like this….think of those struggling to stay pure, think of single people, & married, & the affect those words could have!
I also believe that, justified or not by the context of your post, his words are slanderous to her, & not written in love. He used to be one with her! Jesus died for her! What kind of witness would it be to her (or anyone coming across this site) to see Christians, who are told to love their enemies, writing things like this?
I fear that psychology, & the victim mentality, has affected, corrupted how we deal with problems of abuse in the church.
Actually, even to use the term ‘sociopath’ is promoting their way of labelling people…there are only 2 kinds of people, as far as I see…
…saved, & lost! & God is willing that NONE should perish!
I really appreciate your list of ‘suggested corrective actions’, especially letting the child know that they can (& should!) love BOTH parents…not allowing your child to be put in the middle is a true act of love!
I watch numerous people try to influence their child to prefer them over their other parent, & the damage done is astounding….{only God can heal it!}
Thanks for letting me share my thoughts here, I hope I haven’t offended…
“Give no offense in anything…”
“The righteous shall not be offended…”
Prayerfully,
~Anastazia~
Hi Anastazia
I appreciate the spirit behind your comments. The testimonies were repeated as they were written. I thought not to delete anything, in order to let people know exactly what was like, so they could match up their own experiences and compare. Both people had been through hell. No impurity was intended. Maybe I should take the highlight out in places to de-emphasize certain things. They are trying to recover from it all.
The documentation I recommend for court in either a divorce case or a case with a job. It does not have to do with a lack of love, but rather self-defense, because the Jezebel will lie and cause more damage. If you have your career or your children at stake, you have to be able to protect them by protecting yourself.
thanks and blessings
marianne
First time coming across your site. No real comment other than to Anastazia. There is never an instance ( that I can find or recall) in scripture that as “true christians” we have to take on a pacifist personna when confronting the enemy of our soul.When our Savior hung on the cross the bad guy on His left said ” I believe” remember me( faith/repentence).The bad guy on His right said “IF” you are who they say you are? get us out of this fix(unbelief/unrepentent).Without repentence, their is no forgiveness and when the deciples asked Christ as to, HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE FORGIVE? His answer was simple ” as many times as they ask for forgiveness or “seventy-seven times seven”.
I was married to a women with the spirit of a Jezebel for 25 years. No love, no compassion, no mercy, no consceince. Could give you and the world a permanent “Toni” with stories of all the evil and venom displayed by a confessing “Born Again Believer”. Only my love and faith in Our Lord and Savior Jesus and the power of His Might has kept me sane, faithful and looking forward to the hope of my salvation. This person is truely a witch in the 1st degree, and gives new definition to the word SOCIOPATH.I fear less she repents and allows Gods Holy Spirit to do a mighty work in her life,eternal punishment will be her wages. Do I need to forgive and forget? Not without her repentance. So whenever we are confronting the schemes Satan has employed, I believe we are never to stand by passively and take abuse, but are to stand firm and let the Lord do our bidding, while letting the abuser know that their behavior is totally unexceptable. Not neccesarily liking the warfare, but having enough faith to will God to win our battles, all the while putting on the “Full Armor” (Not Easy)
Hi David,
Thank you for your valuable insights. It is sad to hear that you have also been through this Jezebel experience as well.
You are right. Forgiveness follows repentance. With this particular spirit, there is usually no repentance, since their conscience is damaged. Only the Holy Spirit can do the repair job. That is all we can pray for.
In the meantime, we need to protect ourselves, and distance ourselves from the abusive person.
blessings
marianne
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Dear tuttThesque,
You will get an email. Just hit the reply button to communicate with me.
blessings
marianne
Hello!
Very Interesting post! Thank you for such interesting resource!
PS: Sorry for my bad english, I’v just started to learn this language
See you!
Your, Raiul Baztepo
Hello !!
My name is Piter Kokoniz. oOnly want to tell, that I like your blog very much!
And want to ask you: what was the reasson for you to start this blog?
Sorry for my bad english:)
Tnx!
Piter Kokoniz, from Latvia
Hello Piter
I started this blog to teach others about how evil can be inside of people, and to be aware of the dangers. I also sue this blog to teach about the bible.
Marianne, I have to share this with you.. it kinda makes me a bit confused and not sure what it was all about. Yet I felt like being tested or otherwise. I just woke up from nap. Here it goes…
Bless you and everyone in name of Jesus … Amen… 
I was half sleep and half awake.. and seeing myself on bed tossing and turning.. can feel the troubled one nearby approaching my way.. and ready to attack… the bed shakes and my mouth just opened and scream out the first thing was God’s name and confirmed that God is my lord of lords and king of the kings along with a prayer in loudest voice possible… Then I felt my body was in shock shell yet my spirit just fight and shines.. and the troubled one left me as suddenly as it appeared. All those woke me so aburptly and feeling confused.. unsure why..
It is too weird because I can always feel spiritually or physically any troubles or evil nearby.. but what shocks me the most is… I never ever seen myself react so quickly and so strongly .. NOT even ever scream out anyone’s name in my sleep… ever.. That is a first for me. Help me out on understanding this and cut the confusion to the chase and I wouldn’t go sleep without answers.. because it would keep me up for days until answer hit in my face.. LOL.. naturally it happens from time to time. But this time feels a bit too important so.. here I am .. sharing with you and.. asking for your insight on this issue.. THAT part I never experience like that. Thank you for your insight.. I still come back every day to see any news or anything new for me to learn daily, even thru people
Tamera
hi Tamera,
It sounds like your spirit is so ready to fight that it is keeping watch while you sleep. When something comes near, your spirit reacts before your body can get used to what is happening, since it has not been awake, but asleep.
So your body is confused, but your spirit knows what it is doing.
Also, when you go to bed, put yourself in the care of the Holy Spirit. He can fight for you too.
You will be ok……you are just hyper vigilant due to the negative and dangerous world we live in now.
Hiya back, Marianne.
Thank you.. that confirms on what my thought was after a few hours thinking to makes sense out of it.
Thank you. It helps to confirm it all. LOL.. hyper vigilant fits well in one way.. but that should includes stubborn and sometimes playful.. * joking * 
Can’t resist a small truth humor in it. Indeed, the world have gone mad with full of negativity and dangerous that puts me on the edge and watchful alert. I guess in small way reason why I stay indoor a lot more than I ever done in lifetime.. Going outside makes me feel so dispassionate for life and all around me. Watching others how they talk and behave and thinks… and how things comes and goes.. You name it… I seen it all.. except never been in war physically which is truthful enough 
Is there any news coming up that might come in our ways so we all can eagerly learn more from you, Marianne ? I would love to.. it kinda soothes me whenever I come visiting
Thank you from bottom of my heart..
Tamera.
hi TAmera
news? well, who knows what will happen next.
do not take the flu vaccine… I hear it killed the poor rats in Germany. Just stay in side and take vitamins..keep your mouth covered with a cheap mask.
Last time I took the flu vaccine last year.. and that would be the last one because it kept making me sick every time I get it. So did my kids.. So I fed up with it. vitamins.. of course.. Viamin d and fish oil to be added too.. lol.. I have been aplenty being lectured by my very own mother about health and things.. LOL.. she used to be RN nurse.. So yup I know all too well. hahaha..
I also destory ALL the papers from files.. except just keeping ssn cards birth certificates.. valuable things that was given or rare… along with food and clothes. That’s about it. I might be insane doing the papers to be destoryed but it is smartest thing if to do so .. so no one can be traced.. I trust nothing.. lol 
Avoid new shoes too, Marianne.. heard that govenment and others are thinking about putting GPS in shoes.. beside everywhere else. I also heard about new Tamiflu shots.. eewww.. I do not think I will need any shots.. Kids does… Oldest one just completed all hers.. second… looks like one last shot.. and last child.. eh.. 4 more years to complete all his. ( I am not sure if I should stop letting kids go for their shots nowadays… never know what might show up down the road )
so tomorrow morning.
Cheap mask ? Ah chemical in air ? or something ? I thought about that part too.. we are pretty much gathering canned food and canned water bottles..and even soda lmao.. I know it is silly.. but we are working on gathering needed items to cook with.. such as dutch iron or so
Remind me to post for the solar moons about July of this month there will be 3-4 esclispes in one total month.. and I had dates written down. I forgot doing this earlier but I must go to bed
Blessed be and sleep well.
Tamera
I think the traditional shots that have been given for the last 70 years are ok, if your children need them – polio, diphtheria, etc.
I am a christian who has been involved with spiritual warfare issues for several years. I have also been in a relationship with a sociopathic individual and have run across several in my lifetime. As christians, myself included, we want to believe that every “bad” individual is behaving that way because of a demon. I don’t think it’s that simplistic. There are people who do evil because they themselves choose to do so without the help of any demonic spirit. That’s very hard for good, decent people to understand. We want to project our values onto other people and when they do things that are terrible we have a hard time understanding why so we want to look for some outside reason as the cause when that’s not always the case. That’s like saying “the devil made them do it” which is an attempt to take away personal responsibility. Sociopaths have been using that excuse for ages.
I’ve also worked in the mental health profession and have come to the personal conclusion from my observations that some patients do have demonic problems, some have chemical imbalances, and others do the things they do based on personal choices. We have to keep a balance here and not assume that every “bad” person has a demon. However, I do believe that demons can hitchhike onto a person who has sociopathic tendencies and exploit them.
Hi stacy
If you read through enough of the posts on this site, you will see that I do not indicate all people are possessed by demons who act this way. People can be influenced by spirits, without ever being possessed. The damage is about the same.
Basics are that good is good, and bad is bad. We have to deal with the bad the best way we can.
Marianne,
Whew ,is the length of this illegal ? So wish I had seen this info years ago. Feel I have had a major underlying battle with a Jezebel spirit operating in me after Dad left at 12 and Mom let this operate in her toward me as I was apple of Dad’s eye and reminded her of him, except he was controlling and abusive himself. To be controlling and manipulative always scared me, have actually erred with less control as a parent. With a strong prophetic call on my life and a 3 year season arm in arm with God on a job that allowed for 8 hours of worship, bible study and heaven sought intercession Mom demanded I “get a real job” regardless of my joy and fruit there, forbid me to minister full time,etc and ignored me from 12 on so I was clueless as a Mom myself and with poor life skills since I then married that familiar spirit and divorced after too much damage done. As with Mom we lived in isolation and moved constantly. Made mistake after divorce to come to same area as Mom (compelled-”lured” as one pastor friend called it). Got stuck here though I had wanted to move out of state where there was a church with clued in pastors I trusted enough to be accountable to knowing I needed parenting examples and mentors for kids’ huge calls in the prophetic and miraculous as evidenced in their young answered prayers. Been more and more screwed up as time has gone by here unable to find a church in a very religious jezebel ruled small closed community majoring in Jr high variety rejection and have met my greatest fear-that further isolation and being left to my own poor devices I would join my mother; and have to my immense grief and regret. (Though she was a perfectly functional pillar and I am a train wreck now.) As you’ve outlined I’ve missed the 3 opportunities God has made for our Exodus style departure to further my grief and our loss including losing kids’ trust and respect for their former nurturing, valiant, dependable, fruit and faith filled mom. I have always felt jezebel on the periphery of my soul and showed some signs (impulsive, poor judgement, strong libido,) but at the same time a loving, giving, teachable, impassioned believer. I used to spend hours in doe-eyed worship with a strong fear of God. After the poorest choice of letting former spouse, down on luck as usual move in , precisely following marching orders to prepare to leave, we were hit with instant stupor and apathy (the year we wished to especially devote to the Lord ) I with insomnia, nightmares,spir attacks and soon near incapacity so he stayed on for near a year and I now display every trait I left him for , all Jezebel,sociopathic; I never knew, though I do possess grief for the effects of passive abuse from neglecting the kids from my spir/emotional shut-down has overwhelmed my once very vigorous,healthy body (though was told last year that spirits here wanted me dead or insane.) I knew from a dream last year it was pivotal we get out by May and I was pushed to the mat again. Shocking apathy. Unconscienable. So aware and so unmoved. Three times a spiritual event or other’s intercession has wrought a window of opp that I have not seized like it was the life or death matter it apparently is all to the shock and disdain of my friends and family , understandably and all too geographically distant to lend aid. Just been slowly leaking the fight and discipline and diligence that I have walked in, become weary in well doing and suffered the consequence. Kept feeling a desire to move us in with an older couple who just moved here whom we worked for since I could feel myself spiraling into a deeper depression and just wanted to be around people and folks to speak encouragement to the kids as I as turned 180 to become like Mom: fearful, critical, pessimistic, guilt-evoking or silent to avoid such. I was only cheerful, grateful at the least provocation and optimistic before. With so much heavily compromised at this point: desire,love for God,faith, mental and emotional function and now frame -so feel death crushing in after years of unusual health is there a place to go for help ? Kids have now been isolated here when I sooo wanted lots of people in their life, unlike mine and just have jezebel Dad to be with. Now they have it coming and going, all because I was misadvised to come here to start with and was not more careful knowing the dangers of the spiritual and social atmosphere, knowing we needed the exact opposite but possessed of a pride that wanted to rise to the challenge. I can never blame God. Three times in my life over 20 years I felt strongly urged to travel to this strong, patient, loving male acquaintance of my youth to then be blinded or distracted en route and of late, this couple. Fear of rejection after so much in my youth may cost us all. I used to speak things that were not into being at Father’s behest. Now I don’t want to face God after dropping the ball with my kids and my call and giftings all. Is even writing this lengthy spot selfish ? Mom became introspective here too in her last days in this land of pretense. I finally succumbed to offense but I have seen this locale eat and spit out, even kill apostles and prophets. Your info is most enlightening and much needed. We came here with so much and now soo little. Any ministry you might know to help is appreciated. Bless you and your readers
hi Tory
1. move away from mom
2. find an older Christian couple ( you mentioned one) and ask them to mentor you – they will be like parents to you, discuss childhood, your present life.
3. find a strong, moral christian man who can help heal the jezebel inside….you need to trust someone to protect you, so you will not feel like controlling everything, in order to protect yourself.
4. focus on your children, and giving them tons of love.
you can heal from this.
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/healing-for-jezebel/
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I know several men who are in horrible marriages to jezebels. I have a friend whose wife has physically assaulted both him and his mother. The last time I saw him he had a black eye. What I can’t understand is why he feels he has to stay and put up with it. It just seems to get worse. I’ve been on other Christian web sites where men write in who are in similar marriages. The general advice always seems to be the same–if you pray to God hard enough, he will fix your marriage. I know quite a few people in abusive marriages who have done all of that and still ended up having to leave to protect their life and sanity. Does the covenant of marriage always override our physical and spiritual safety? I couldn’t imagine any loving human father wanting his child to remain in such a situation. I especially cant imagine God, who loves us even more than our earthly parents, expecting us to do the same.
Hi Stacey
An abusive spirit can either be in a man or woman. And, no, the victim does not have to tolerate it. Instead, if it is able, it should resist it and fight it.
In the case of men, they should assert their male authority in the home. They need to learn to say “NO” to the jezebel, and put her in her place. The tolerance for rebellion and abuse should be zero. If she persists, he should take the kids and leave.
In the case of women, they might get hurt, if they resist. They should just leave.
In both cases, the victim should quickly recruit support from friends and family, because they will need it. The Jezebel will be doing the same thing, to bring charges against the victim.
http://www.news.com.au/national/hidden-epidemic-of-women-beating-up-men/story-e6frfkvr-1225869842575
How do I cover a child in prayer who is being raised by a Jezebel mother and Ahab father? Jezebel and Ahab are quite comfortable in their sin (because they believe they do not sin, of course). There are too many stories to go into here about their envy, manipulation, etc. In keeping with the spirit of Jezebel, they use their child as a weapon-he’s available to the eunuchs, but I am just “too Christian”. The child, Zachary, is my Godson. Their games are escalating, and more eunuchs are being recruited. Jezebel is very crafty-for example, when we show up for birthday parties, he is instructed to give everyone a kiss, each person named, except for me. Each gift that we (Zachary’s Godfather and I) give him ends up in the trash or remains hidden in the closet. She even got mad one time because I promised Zachary a cookie (no sugar biter biscuit), so she hid them behind the dishes at my house. More and more stories beyond these. Zachary was adopted, and just turned 6 years old, and for the first time, his Godfather and I were not invited to the “private” birthday party, which they refer to as “family” birthday party. The majority of the “family” is athiest, and several of them live together out of wedlock. Ahab once told me that if I didn’t teach Zachary that all paths lead to heaven, it’s ok to practice homosexuality, etc. that my relationship with him would be “limited”. Of course, I didn’t comply with his request. The last little gift that I got him was a Veggie Tale DVD entitled “God Made You Special”, and it was trashed. How do I cover Zachary in prayer? Do I have authority over these demons when it comes to Zachary?
kay
cancel the negative with the positive.
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/prayer-closing-doors-against-witchcraft-control/
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/prayer-covering-for-your-life-and-family/
every opportunity you have with the child, let him know you love him and pray to jesus for him, that he will be ok. let him know of your attempts to give him presents, and what happened.
you will have to assert yourself with the jezebel, but you will need a support system since she has an ahab to back her up. ( they usually do)
divide and conquer.
slowly gain the support of others who now support her. Gain their trust. be positive to them.
this weakens her stance against you, and eventually you can get others to back you up.
she is weaker when she is outnumbered.
once all her support system is on your side, then you will be able to oppose her better, and win.
you will have to be assertive with her. let her know you have your own personal authority as much as she does. they respect power in others.
this may take a long (or a short) time, but if you do not get started on this, you will never be successful
The article written states that psychologists do not understand the Jezebel spirit and mislable it as “anti-social behavior”. Narcissism is known as a psychological disorder,( I believe that anti-social behavior is a by-product of narcissism) when it is the physical manifestion of a Jezebel or controlling spirit. In turn, the Jezebel spirit is the spiritual manifestion of narcissism. The writer on this site, Marianne, is very enlightening.
hi Ray
I reason I said psychologists do not understand this, even if they can put a definition to it, is because the common “therapeutic” approach is to put their clients on drugs for every issue. This is a spiritual problem, in which they are not well versed, and not a biological problem, where a biological solution is needed.
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I had my children, minus my middle one, last night.
Their father(Jezebel-man) insisted my middle son was going to the Chiropractor at 5. I called the house yet all 3 kids were there. When I showed up at 5:30, middle was not there but with his step mother, coming back but could be a while.
Last time he said it was a Chiropractor appt, my son said no mom it’s the Dr at Dad’s work. To control the Dr’s notes and reports, he takes him to a Dr that does not specialize in what he needs but a DR who is on SITE at his job.
But now they won’t say anything but “whatever dad says is where he is”.
He is hiding the fact that he reduced son’s medication that reduces his anger/aggression level. Covering up that my daughter got choked by middle son and she is afraid of him. Yet dad does not believe my version of what happened.
I asked if I could have time with “middle” on a different day. DAd says NO that is up to middle… Empowering the child who says anything against me. Last week, middle claimed I HIT him, versus spanked him for choking.
SO it is the twist of the TRUTH, the manipulation, and MY FEAR that if I say something, he reduces my time with the kids. (Judge flip flopped the custody last Aug. after this sitting there and dad mentally and emotionally pulling the kids so far they wanted to kill them selves if I did nto let them live with their father. He had a good lawyer that is good at saying, WELL that is “he said, she said” ……But what to the kids want?
Please pray for safety of daughter. Wisdom of who to go to, to report the actual FEAR, ABUSE, Twist of Truth, defending and approval and attention to boys ONLY when they hurt someone, and it’s a positive attention then.
OLDEST see’s dad’s attentiveness when I AM The bad guy ANd FEELS STUCK. Yet if he is ever sick ….he needs his dad’s awareness that he is worthy of that inconvenience, to be taken care of.
He has his family all believing he is right, the ones that I often would watch their children while he sat behind a computer on family holidays….etc .
Thank you for your prayers and divine wisdom in this Court system situation that I feel in prison to…..
Truth and not lies or deception and the ability to walk out and favor for the judge to see what is really going on.
Hidden things of the darkness be brought to LIGHT and to JUSTICE!
Prayers to you all,
JS in Tulsa…
JDS
You have a legal right to be part of any medical or therapeutic treatment of your children, and to give input. If they refuse, this is a legal offense. Demand an appointment with anyone you husband brings the children to.
KAY:
My kids can not take my gifts, coats, toys, etc…into their father’s(and step mother’s house). My kids know this and when things are calm and not so focussed on that(they do try to sneak things in at times…).
That is when he is on a kick of trying to set up video camera’s on the front porch to prove that I attempted entry on a Tuesday, after I was allowed to get the kids on Tuesdays…he refused, this was after my daughter begged me and cried to not make her go back, BEGGING ME….
The next time he refused the visit and filed a police report…
So she is scared to be afraid and scared if i do something or say something, she knows I was in risk of losing my “Thanksgiving” (in November).
If I eat lunch with her, she tells her step brother do not tell…she can get into trouble.
I called DHS and reported. Also her teacher understands the situation. But right now i need money to get another lawyer, after he got custody in Aug. They claimed i was a jealous ex wife and causing problems…and he has money and legal paid for by his work. so…..
God has to be bigger than all of this.
I tell my kids PRAY OVER EVER CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
But they also know if their dad thinks they are afraid, then he is MEANER than ever.
They have to appear happy and perfect. The video camera in my daughter’s room covers her and the 1 yr old. Just to tell me she hates this, caused me to lose my Tuesday last week, also.
He can take away anything because the current court order stated I still lived across state line(i did with the kids by agreement but he changed mind after we moved)….
Hi! I’m looking for help concerning the Jezebel/Ahab spirits. I believe both of my parents are inflicted and in need of some help/advice. I would rather not post everything on this website, so if someone could please e-mail me/private message me I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you so much!! God bless.
–Kate
Praying against the lies that my kids are starting to believe.
They know the truth but it is to scary to believe it. If so, then why did i leave them in that scenario….why didn’t i beg for more money to pay lawyers or why didn’t I do something to keep them safe… No one believed me for one thing. I was fighting it alone. He was good at manipulating even my mother…even though there were threats of “supervised visits” if I talk about him anymore. yet he was doing crazy things that scared the kids, we question our own sanity and our own fear. One time my son said, “even if dad would try to kill is, we would still GO to his house….he is our daddy”.
This haunted me! I tell lawyer but they don’t feel it’s GRIP over them like me…and then if i get a emergency protective order, then when they go bak, he will get even! Believe me, his game is always smarter(he’ll get kids to say worse and take them to a psychologist to document the lie….
I wish there were a support group for this thingin Oklahoma.
I just laid handso n my kids and prayed over them like never before….as DHS is investigating the lies they told about me! Boys did not want dad to know they caused trouble so they said it was my fault…I am the one who started them saying….to make your dad happy, or if he gets frustrated that you are with me….just tell him something bad about me, i don’t care….”dad we like your house…or you have more wii or x box’s or tv’s or bigger,…bla bla bla”…..
so he took this and believed they truley wanted him….it just back fired from there into him filing a report based on whta the kids had said ….(motion to modify that won)…against a judge who doesn’t like mom’s taking kids to another state….I did by agreement though!
Praise you Jesus you are keeping my kids safe and my life safe, my freedom is in tact and no weapon formed against me or my kids will prosper!!
hi JDS
I have a friend who is going though something similar as you.
An agreement between you and the father is not valid unless the court approves it.
All you can do is stick up for yourself with DSS and court, until you can get a lawyer to represent you.
Court will not be fair or reasonable. It is based on politics and rules of the court. So the only way to win is to have a lawyer.
Legal aid cannot help you?
I disagree that Jezebel will never say sorry. She will say “sorry”, but only if it gives her great or greater advantage in a given situation. The Jezebel in my life would say “sorry”. This made me drop my guard and soften towards her. Until I realized that, once again, I was being had by her.
hi Sue
I guess I should have clarified this. By Sorry, I meant she would not sincerely repent.
We go to court again Tuesday unless the 2 attorney’s decide something between themselve as to a set schedule for us. My ex did not allow the kids my Easter weekend, as he thinks it is his. The schedule flip flopped and he convincingly insists that we should not flip flop the schedule for holidays because this would not be fair to him….since i had Easter last yr…he shouldhave it this year…I was willing to give him Easter day but not the entire weekend.
Well he was not home the friday i came to get kids, and kids said they did nothing Easter day to celebrate. No baskets, no eggs no ressurection sunday, etc etc.
So he got his Easter but did nothing with it.
Which is frustrating because I wanted to take them to church and do the Easter thing…
So we did our “thing” Tuesday.
I am having a hard time not thinking very extreme negative thoughts toward him….
Yet the new lawyer i have said…well we need to have the schedule SET and go from there…
I am like….but he is in contempt by refusing my weekend..
Anyway Hoping there is light at the end of the tunnel, as my kids just want to come home and the Judge is one that sides with the “Dad’s”….and since my son already talked to the judge to convince him of his father’s “values”….hoping to keep him happy….
he realizes his father thinks no more of him now than he ever has. He used him to get the kids away from me.
Please pray that he battles the negative thoughts that i see very clearly surrounding his mind!
He is depressed! And if I save him or take him home…he will say i kidnapped him…this was said already. my son has no mental strength to fight….
He will as I know he is in God’shands but I fight with my own thoughts on obeying the laws of the land, and obeying God’s word and helping my kids in a nasty situation…
Prayers are so appreciated!
JDS
do you have a lawyer ?
If so, ask him to request an expert witness who can evaluate your son for undue influence, brainwashing, and alienation from you.
This would win your child(ren) to you
Hello to Christian Single Moms! I bet this will be such a surprise. A church I have been a member at for almost 7 years with my son, who is 14, has some serious demonic spirits or something really hindering the people. I needed to move out of my home several months ago due to lack of work and income resulting in foreclosure over a 3 year period, which the church could not do anything. I asked about jobs, apartments, renting, anything. It took 3 months of staying in and out of a hotel and still not finding work, even though, I had tithed at this church for over 6 years, and am on 2 ministries serving, and found a place on my own. The church secretary had me fill out a benevelonce form, but nothing. This place is more expensive than I anticipated my savings lasting.
That’s one thing. The other is, my son was working 3 days a week, for volunteer, on a horse farm, whom the owner goes to the same church. One gentleman that works on the farm and lives there as well, one day had made sexual advances and grabbing me, then exposed his erection to me, all on the farm in the open and I would be shocked that no one saw him. He even sent sexual explicit messages with photos of himself masturbating, (though I only opened one, because it was appalling and I am assuming the others would have been the same).
Because the church is connected, I didn’t know how to handle it at first. I tried to talk to the gentleman about it, and he said’ go ahead, tell Buck,(owner) I don’t care’. Then I talked to the owner and a witness and the gentleman and basicallly, the owner just brushed it under the rug, like it was no big deal.
I went to the pastors of the church, because now I don’t feel safe and do not want my son at the farm anymore. Plus, a friend told me I would be liable if anything happened to other young girls at the farm.
The pastor said it is normal and I shouldn’t talk to young men alone, because they get the idea if I am nice to them that that would mean I like them. And then a week later the owner of the farm gave the pastor a horse. They still let the other gentleman do ministry work at church which has hindered my son and me from our ministries and from feeling safe and comfortable at our church. I explained that to them and that this could go to the police, but they have not responded or respected my families needs in this incidence.
Any suggestgions?!
missy
get out of that church!
there is a spirit of lust there, and the pastor is part of it.
go elsewhere or stay home.
monitor your son, and teach him as best you can about these dangers.
your son needs deliverance, if he has been affected by these spirits.
Hello Marianne,
I have so much to ask you… do you come in contact with the Jezabel spirit, who if confronted, trys to turn it around and make me sound like I am the crazy one. I have a long suffering story. My daughter and I are children of God, I have been attacked by my family for so long… now I am afraid for my daughter. I want to cry and scream because she is so defensive and evil. She gossips, gangs up the rest of the family and makes me the black sheep…. she betrays me, she is so full of hate and anger and …why? why? what is it that they want? Life insurance money??? My daughter took my rosary and swung over her head and said that is what grandma did with a needle and thread?? She has not hurt my daughter who is just 5… but is this the start? my story is so long..I am afraid. Please help us.
hi shelby
How old is your jezebel daughter? She needs discipline, and you need help doing this. Who are your support systems? It needs to be a united effort, to give her the message that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated, and that she needs to repent, and get herself right with God.
Hello Marianne,
(here is my story)
I am so grateful for your site. I have been searching for this kind of support and validation for almost 10 years. Marianne, I agree that Jesus Christ is Lord. I am Catholic. I am the only religious person in my family. I converted in 2003. Why, why why why what do they want. Money? to kill me for insurance money? power? My daughter is baptized and is 5. Marianne I am working through the fact that my Mom, my dad, my step mom ……..why??? I am so sad. I did not want to see that my mom was sick… I love her so much and my heart is breaking. I have no one I can trust. The last 2.5 years has been a healing time for my daughter and me. My step mom told me I was sick before I was. Acute liver failure? count 1700 at UCSF the dr told my mom i was going to die. 1 in 2000 across the nation recover. I was on the UNOS transplant list. I lost a 17yr mortgage business, my marriage, home, finances, bankrupt, forclosed, despised, hated, abandoned confused, i ended up on a papoose board. I got to UCSF, 11-01-09. my daughter was 2. My mom oh my gosh….this is such a long story that goes back to when i was born.. my mom brought me home from the hospital and could not stand to hear me breath and pushed me outside the door. My dad very verbally abusive and I have lost chunks of my childhood. I cannot remember. I know I was never defended. My parents divorced, and she came. In. Her eyes change color and she growls. I am hated and mocked for loving Jesus Christ. When I got to UCSF, I asked for a rosary and a priest. He walked in to ICU, I knew Him. Marianne, I knew HIM. I had undergone the hardest demonic trial that led to this. It started with the market, and it went from there. Details so long. Bottom line my companion Kody my Springer spaniel always by my side, would stand at the sliding glass door and shake and cry. I put my dogs and daughter into the car and went to the parish and waited out long nights in the chapel and at adoration. I cried at the Mary and Jesus statue and begged for her assistance. Marianne, I would like to talk about this later, it upsets me so much. Bottom line, I have been a member of my family for years. Enduring name calling by my step mother who referred to me as the c word…. the ugliest words, controlling, hate… pure hate..Conflict, I got so sick when I lived with them, like, mono on steroids.
When I woke up and talked to the priest in UCSF, I told him I want to go home; my daughter is only 2… They told me I was dying, I want to go home. He told me to obey my doctors, gave me communion and anoint of the sick. He said not today, I will see you tomorrow. I made a full recovery and was released from the hospital 9 days later. It was divine healing. I was healed head to toe and the love and beauty and the knowing that I am not alone. Well this has freaked my step mom and dad completely. She has not spoken to me since October 2009. I kept hearing in my head over and over and over….: and mine enemies said why can’t she just die” over and over…….
Just recently, I understand demonic confusion and what happens in the house etc… I thought I had morgellons at one point … crazyzyzyzyy!!!
My mom is a part of this too. I have super isolated my daughter, we live a very clean sober I try not to have secular TV on and I am finishing my BS in health admin. 7 classed left… after what I went through I have changed my career to the health field.. I just became a cert. EMT.
*****please help me, my daughter picked up my rosary and held it by one end and started to swing it. She told me mema, my mom, does this over her head, then kisses her cheek… I am so hyper vigulant on zero toleranc witch craft. I have had thrown everything away from my dad and step mom. My mom convinced me I was crazy and gets so upset and makes fun of me. She loves my daughter… she asks why she does not want to sit on grandpa’s lap… I choked on my gum over her for saying it like that to make Abby afraid. I get that gut feeling… I am alone I feel this is happening again. I have spoken to a priest he blessed a medal and to concentrate on Mary and the baby Jesus. I have seen a person at midnight, an older lady, completely out of place. I just got back doing a milk shake run for a- long night of homework. standing in my neighbor’s yard calling me a devil person… I thought she was just off her meds and called 911. So many many weird constant, terror, oh my the terror… I cannot stand that my family is starting to hurt my daughter. I have made this a very clear issue and my mom gangs up the neighborhood and distant relatives that think I am nuts. I am very vigilant no pokey man or dream catchers or Halloween…Yes maybe I am overdoing it; I have a daughter who I am trying to protect. t it… … my home is one you walk in and there is no mistake that I love the Lord….,my mom,.. She has only hate burden down by resentment, unforgivness and she drinks vodka…every night. I am rambling, I am so sad, I want my mom and dad, but now I feel I have to delete my mom from Abby and I we are down to us. My very first worry would be what is going on with the needle and thread over my daughters head. Her best friend is a pagan who is argumentative..my mom is like poor me, vitom, she feels sorry for herself a lot.. My mom makes me feel rude if I do not accept her gifts…. What is going on with the old tapes from troll recording and old DVD about rats and mice and this weird child show with these fury dust balls. These are the kind of things….my mom…I am working on this and why does she deny when I can put evidence from art work mask, sun worship art, the lady with moon over her head.. Scales? My daughter has been back at our family home of 30 years… I do not like it here, my grandma died here and my beloved dog Kody died 9-14-11, in my arms.. I am looking to leave my mom’s home as soon as I am finished with my degree my mom and step dad lives in san Diego and my dad and step mom lives only 3 miles, this is a rental for her and the help is not really help it is obligated hell. I do not want to give up on her. I love my mom.
so it is your mom, stepmom who are the biggest problems, and your dad does nothing to stop it?
They are all godless. You will have to isolate yourself from them as best you can, unless you can move out.
Can you get christian friends to support you since your family is completely lost. ?
So, I am currently going through divorce with women you described above. You described her perfectly. She lied much about her past and has a classic case, she is always the victim. Very very very ……. Controlling and manipulative abs to make things worst, very beautiful. I asked the court to give her a psyche evaluation and it said she had abandonment issues, very narcissitic, anger when she dosent get her way and can’t handle stress, and they still won’t even give me 50/50. I pray for her everyday, but my question is this. She pretend to be a Christian, lied and out on a front just to get me. How can someone be delivered if they are happy with who they are and does not believe in Christ. Once again in her mind she is perfect, and even after counselor told her, her issues will negatively affect her daughter, she said she is fine with the way she is.
dear Joseph
I feel for you. She will continue to think this way because “she” is a spirit / demon that has taken over your wife.
Demons don’t repent.
Her past history indicates a trauma that let the spirit into her, and it gives her a sense of control where she felt she did not have it before.
Her ego needs the demon to feel better, because she has nothing else, in her mind, that does.
Right now, everyone else is the victim, not her, although she thinks SHE is the victim, another reason to cling to her views.
The only way for this to break would be a greater trauma, in which the demon was exposed, and she was face to face with it, and it terrified her.
Or a trauma where she was so desperate for God that she was finally willing to receive deliverance in order to make it.
So, in other words, when this demon fails her, she will need something more (God).
Right now, the only thing you can do is oppose her selfishness, and not give into it ( saying no makes her angry, but too bad, she needs to hear that), tell her she has a demon to plant a seed in her that she needs deliverance, call her on what she is ( a hypocrite and a fake,) to dent her ego, and then pray for her.
Also, keep your daughter away from her, or re-program her after every contact with the wife. this way you will no have 2 of them.
From your experience the women (or men) who pray : does the sociopathic spouse and courts prevail or do they prevail (the non sociopaths)? who wins in the majority of cases? And if the woman with the non sociopath has a highly paid attorney does she generally win? Does having a pi help? Thanks. I’m finding these postings very insightful.
dear Sherry
The one who wins is the one best prepared.
The sociopath will lie, and even have false documentation, or false witnesses, or deceived ones.
So the non sociopath has to be prepared to prove what the other side has is false, and provide the true facts, and show they are true.
You can have a highly paid attorney who is lazy and does not do their job.
So the attorney who works the hardest will win.