They shall mingle with the seed of men

 

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Traditional interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream of the statue with the 10 toes has been that the iron/clay represents Rome, but in a weakened state.

But, suppose it could mean something more sinister?

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This interpretation comes from the following 2 verses:

Dan 2:41   And whereas thou saw the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou saw the iron mixed with miry clay.

Dan 2:42   And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

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Rome was predicted to follow Greece in world empires, so the iron came to represent the Roman empire itself.

 

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But what if the iron represents more than Rome?

Suppose, the iron represents the force that moves Rome, rather than Rome itself?

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Note this passage, which follows the others:

Dan 2:43   And whereas you saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

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The million dollar question is WHO is “they?”

Who is implied as “not man” and mingling with the seed of men?

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Here:

Iron = ? = “they” = individual who are not man

Potter’s Clay = man, believer in Yahweh

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Therefore, iron is “not man,” since clay is identified as “man,” and iron is different from clay.

The iron is not compatible physically with clay, yet there is an attempt, or action, to “mingle” with the “seed” of man.

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This mingling could be either

Associations – political, social, etc

Sexual – since the “seed” of man is mentioned.

If something (iron) which is obviously not compatible with man (clay), is mingling, then what is the result?

It could either be

Bad associations, not reliable

Sexual mingling which produce either nonviable offspring, or offspring which are aberrant in some physical way.

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In Daniel 11, there is more discussion of a fierce leader who worships the “god of forces.”

Dan 11:38   But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

Dan 11:39   Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge [and] increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

*** note: watch for anyone who “divides the land of Israel for gain.” It is a major clue in identifying the fierce leader.

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Past and End time fulfillment

While much of this prophecy was fulfilled by the Greeks, there is a future element to it as well.

It is as if the ancient king comes back to life in the “time of the end,” repeats history, and continues the story:

Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

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What I think the iron really represents is the “god of forces.”

Rome certainly used the “god of forces” to conquer weaker nations.

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Summary thoughts:

The god of forces will mingle with the seed of men. This will produce dangerous beings, with lost souls.

The bible describes soul- less creatures, in the time of wrath, torturing man.

I believe they are already here, waiting for their time to act further.

I believe that the seed of the serpent has already mixed with the seed of man, just as in the days of Noah, and the “flood” will begin sometime in the near future, to remove this abomination from the earth.

A “flood” is coming.

Pray and repent, and look to Yahweh for protection, because only a good relationship with Him will bring salvation.

Dan 2:41   And whereas thou saw the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou saw the iron mixed with miry clay.

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The kingdom of Yahweh will be separated from the kingdom of darkness.

The kingdom of the god of forces will be destroyed.


64 Responses to “They shall mingle with the seed of men”

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  2. Hi Marianne,

    I always thought about “obvious” interpretation of the verse in Daniel, however, your theory is very interesting. Obvious, interpretation would be that clay represents Ishmael’s (Muslim) kingdom, and they occupy terriotry of what once was southern part of Roman Empire. They will intermarry, but not quite mingle with the rest of the people;

  3. More accurate translation for “god of forces” would be “god of fortresses”.

    The Hebrew word is Ala Mahozim. In Hebrew the root word for fortresses is mahoz which means the “place of strength” or “stronghold”. The Antichrist pays tribute to this “god” above all. This name occurs in only one place in the Bible, in Daniel 11, but there are other names of pagan gods from antiquity which mean exactly the same thing.
    Besides the already established connection with Baal, or his full name in this case, Baalhazor,”Lord of the Fortresses”, there is a curious parallel between this Ala Mahozim and the god Melkart, worshiped in the island kingdom of Tyre. This god was supposedly brought to the island by Astarte after he had fallen from the heavens. His names means, “King of the Fortresses”.

    http://www.mt.net/~watcher/antimars.html

  4. The Hebrew word is Ala Mahozim. In Hebrew the root word for fortresses is mahoz which means the “place of strength” or “stronghold”. The Antichrist pays tribute to this “god” above all. This name occurs in only one place in the Bible, in Daniel 11, but there are other names of pagan gods from antiquity which mean exactly the same thing.
    Besides the already established connection with Baal, or his full name in this case, Baalhazor,”Lord of the Fortresses”, there is a curious parallel between this Ala Mahozim and the god Melkart, worshiped in the island kingdom of Tyre. This god was supposedly brought to the island by Astarte after he had fallen from the heavens. His names means, “King of the Fortresses”.

    http://www.mt.net/~watcher/antimars.html

  5. i have looked at that before and i would say that it is Rome, but very interesting topic of conversation.

  6. Hi Marianne, my computer is down, iam in an internetcafe, so i cannot research it further.. there is i believe in Jeremiah a conenction of Potters Clay with Israel, who we know from Eze37/Gen48 is obviousoly the crown of England etc.. maybe the seed of the “royal” family is already since long corrupted (watch “shapeshifters” or so on youtube, i once posted it here)..Bush eg is a british descendant of the royal family, look at their similarity!
    There is another possible explanation for who is the “god of forces” – the New Ager/Theosophics, whose religion is the UN religion and is set to be the one world religion of Lucifer/Baal – they call their god the god of Forces!!

  7. And so it will continue with the European Union – as united and coherent as a mixture of clay and iron

  8. The chitauri is the name given to the repilians.
    I am posting here the last part of the interview with a zulu shaman.
    The interview starts at part 9 and is throughout till part 13.

  9. Now when one examines the statue of the dream of king of Babylon …
    Don’t you find it strange that all these metals are found in the depiction?
    Why would a head be gold??
    I am not thinking symbolically.
    Here is an historical account of reptilians.

  10. You are on the right track I believe. Even commentators of old have translated the mahuzzim as ‘saints’/angels. It is clear that the Catholic saints point to the fallen angels that are represented by the numerous ‘god’s of mythology.

  11. New Living Translation (©2007)
    This mixture of iron and clay also shows that these kingdoms will try to strengthen themselves by forming alliances with each other through intermarriage. But they will not hold together, just as iron and clay do not mix.

  12. I know very little sbout Daniel but I just surmised that is was a vision of times end..at least the first part of Daniel… It says when you hear the coronet, flute, etc. or any music to bow down and worship the image..I always thought this was in reference to the trumpets in Rev. and when men are forced to bow to the allah beast..That is almost the entent of my knowledge of Daniel

  13. Hello Marianne,

    It also depends on which translation you are reading. Here is the translation of the New International Version:

    “And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.”

    This speaks of a mixture of people and because that mixture is divied, it does not have the complete strength of Iron. Although it is true that there will much demonic activity going on during that time, I would have to stick with that these will be a diversity of people who are divided and because of that division, they will not have the same strength that the Roman legs of iron had.

  14. Marrianne, what about cloned people? do you believe they would be souless?

    • hi mike,

      good question. If God creates, man has a soul- spirit and body. Man can reproduce a body, but not a soul. It makes me wonder what freak of nature would result, maybe something with animal instincts only.

  15. Happy New Year all!

    Here is something to consider:

    “As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.”

    Though James was using this as example of faith, if a body is devoid of spirit, it will not function. My point is, if you had a perfectly good body, that is, everthing is healthy and working and you could remove the spirit, there would cease to be any personality or activity. It would be a vessel with no one driving, a shell. I believe that, even if man were to clone a human being, he or she would still be a person, as God is the only one who could give that body a spirit/soul, since only God can create life. God is not unaware of what science is doing these days and I believe that a cloned person would be every bit excepted by God and eligible for salvation. Of course, God would have already known about said clone persons before the world began. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not condoning it, but just hypothetically speaking.

    • That’ possible too. I guess you could view the person as a victim of human cloning…and God would still step in. and show mercy, giving them a soul.

  16. I think the iron and the clay is metaphorical language that is naming the identity essence of two groups. What is man? Complex. So take the simple answer. “…for dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Gen 3:19) More specifically, recall 2Cor 4:7, “…we have this treasure in jars of clay…” Man is weak, variable, vulnerable. Clay, pottery, or earthen vessels can be broken, shattered, ground and reduced to nothing with little effort. How is iron different from clay? Strength. Durability. Even in modern times iron is a symbol for power. Yet in 1Cor 1:27 is written, “…God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.” If clay identifies a group (mankind), it seems to me the iron is identifying another group. Doesn’t the strong, the iron, have to be angelic order beings?

  17. Try this (virtual,mental) exercise. Put a piece of stone (diamond or black granite), a piece of metal such as gold, and a piece of pottery side by side on a table. Which two are most alike? Isn’t the pottery simply weak rock? Metal comes from rock (ore), but is a component separated out from the rock. God has proclaimed himself to be the Rock of Israel, and we are made in his image and likeness. How appropriate that humans are a mixture of mostly powdered rock and water, the latter of which is a biblical symbol of the Holy Spirit. Also, what is the fulfillment of clay or pottery? Isn’t it’s destiny to be hardened in the furnace, to be made into a stronger stone-like substance?

    The metals in Daniel’s statue depict a descending order of grandeur and power, from head to foot. I believe what the dream regarding statue metals is meant to say is that the rebellious angelic powers and authorities have been steadily losing in their struggle against God as salvation and fulfillment draw near. The disobedient angelic opposition will try to hide and mix with mankind at the end to avoid destruction. They will fail and be destroyed by the God the Rock.

  18. “The disobedient angelic opposition will try to hide and mix with mankind at the end to avoid destruction. They will fail and be destroyed by the God the Rock.”

    That makes sense! Marianne, what do you think?

  19. “The vision which Esaias son of Amos saw against Babylon. Lift up a standard on the mountain of the plain, exalt the voice to them, beckon with the hand, OPEN THE GATES, YE RULER. I GIVE COMMAND AND I BRING THEM: GIANTS ARE COMING TO FULFILL MY WRATH [emphasis added]. . . . For behold! the day of the Lord is coming which cannot be escaped, a day of wrath and anger, to make the world desolate. . . . And Babylon . . . shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. . . . It shall never be inhabited . . . and monsters shall rest there, and devils shall dance there and satyrs shall dwell there . . .” (Isaiah 13:1-3, 9, 19-22, [Septuagint Version]).[8]

    Given what is happening in Babylon (Iraq), UFOs and biotechnology today, it could mean the iron are the nephilim returning. (just as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Noah was saved because he was “perfect in his generations (i.e. genetically perfect, not a hybrid of man and fallen angels).

  20. IS THERE A CHANCE OR HOPE A PERSON WHO HAS THE SEED REPENT/? I WENT TO A CHURCH ONCE, I THINK THEY PLANTED THIS SEEN IN ME. I SOMETIMES FEEL PAIN IN MY STOMACH..THEY DID SOMETHING TO ME..I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING IT SINCE

    • dear BRY

      The seed cannot be planted against someone’s will. They may have placed a curse on you, if they made you sick, but the serpent seed is different. It makes you evil, and you are not evil. Pray to reverse any curse, in Jesus name, and plead the blood over you for healing.

  21. Hi Bry,

    Forgive me, but I believe that you are grasping at something that isn’t there. We have better translations than the KJV based on the most ancient copies, original manuscripts and the dead sea scrolls regarding the word of God and by many more capable scholars than those who translated the KJV. Please note the NIV translation below:

    “And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.”

    Here is the interlinear translation of that verse:

    “And whereas you saw the iron mixed clay common will combine shall the seed of men not they will not adhere one to another even and whereas iron is not combined with potery.”

    So you see, where it says in the KJV

    “[they] shall mingle with the seed of men,” the translation is that the “They” are other people,that is, from different tongues and nations and not angels nor the offspring of angels. The mingling is the mingling of various peoples, which causes this last day ruling empire to not have the same strength as Rome did when it was pure iron. The KJV translation would read to make one think that there is something other than humans mixing with the seed of men and that is incorrect.

    I hope that this eases your fears.

    Yours in Christ – Don

    • don

      that is a good presentation of a view alternate to what is suggested here….this post was based on the KJV.

    • From where did you get that translation? It really is much clearer, The King James does make it sound as if the Nephelimun were mixing with people,

      • Hi Yckick yack!

        That would be the New International Version (NIV) and the Interlinear.

  22. Thank’s Marianne! Just tryin ta help by presenting the truth of God’s word rightfully.

  23. Has anyone considered that the clay/iron mixture could have relevancy in regard to technology. I think of the genetic hybrids that could consist of the kingdom of the beast. But I am envisioning a computer interface that would mingle human flesh with steel as some cyborg being. Could this be the mark of the beast? To be fitted with unnatural additions?

    • hi Stephen

      That is a possibility – mixing human flesh with something else.

      Daniels’ vision showed the last empire on earth to be a mix of clay and iron, 2 incompatible substances.

      Genetic engineering occurred once before in Genesis. That is where the nephilim – the giants of the land – came from, mixing demonic seed with human female.

      As things unfold, more will be evident about what this all means.

  24. I Often thought that the mingling of the iron and clay could have something to do with the mark of the beast and technology. In revelation we read that all that had the mark of the beast break out in grievous sores.If the mark is something like a microchip God only knows hows the human body would react.

  25. Greetings Omegarising!

    Just my two cents worth. Let’s look at the verse in Dan.2:41-43:

    “Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kindom will be partly strong and partly brittle. And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more thatn iron mixes with clay”

    The meaning of this kingdom being made up of partly of baked clay and partly of iron is revealed when he says in verse 2:43 “so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united.” In other words, since iron and baked clay do not adhere to each other, it paints a picture of this last kingdom not being strong as in the days when it was pure iron, that is, under purely Roman rule. By the way, the ten toes of this last kingdom are the same as the ten horns of the beast of Revelation, that is, the ten kings who become kings only after one hour with the beast. The rock (Jesus) that is cut out without human hands, which falls on the feet of the statue and crumbles to the threshing floor and is swept away never to be found again, represents the end of human government and the beginning of Christs millennial reign on earth.

  26. http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr=tv_&page=NewsArticle&id=8865&security=1041&news_iv_ctrl=1195

    This interview between Chuck missler and Sid Roth is most informative and surprising, considering the credentials that Chuck holds. He makes sense out of Daniel 6…what is the iron and clay?

  27. I believe that the “they” are the same as the ones who were here before adam and eve and after. And they have always been here.But now through the science that men are doing now with DNA there is/will be a blending of species. in ancient and old time this is talked about, But modern man has followed man made religion for so long they have no clue what is even going on even when it was written thousands of years ago and is also in the Bible.

  28. Remember the statements in Isaiah & Daniel concerning “the Assyrian?” Yet Assyria had been destroyed before those prophets lived. It is one of antichrist’s titles in scripture. Assyria encompassed Shinar, where Nimrod once reigned & attempted to erect Babel. I am good4larry on youtube, & there are vids revealing that unregulated cloning is being secretly funded in the middle east — I suspect Damascus. News reports recently reported that the genome of Neanderthal man has been isolated. How’s that for “fierce features”, & a house for an evil spirit?

    • Hi Larry

      Interesting thoughts on Cain. I have always wondered as well as to who cain married.

      • Hi Marriane, Larry and all,

        Marianne, why would you wonder about who Cain married? The thing that we must remember is that, prior to the flood people lived to be literally 800 and 900 years old. Therefore, there would be plenty of time for the population to increase and for cain to find a wife. Another thing to consider is that Scripture does not tell us at what age Cain went out and wandered the earth nor when he took his wife. We are simply not taking into account how much time has elapsed regarding these events. What we should also take into account is that Adam and Eve were most likely still having children and their children would have begotten children and so on and so on and on and on. Scripture is just silent on any other children that were brought forth by Adam and Eve. An awful lot of children can be begotten within just a 200 year time span. Think about it!

  29. The Lord is revealing mysteries now. Let us keep our focus on Him. Thanks for the encouragement!

  30. Genesis 4:17 says “Cain knew his wife”; perhaps he had already married before he slew his brother. Being given to violence, he may have taken a wife forcefully that stayed with him, rather than being disgraced. Since scripture says nothing more on the matter, I’m inclined to the first idea. The bloodline was tracked through the heirs; the other children are not even named, for the most part. Adam was made in God’s image, & Eve was made to meet Adam’s needs (sorry, ladies – no offense intended. God simply recognized that the X chromasome is a tough pill to live with alone). Therefore, males were likely considered alone as heirs in the preflood world. It’s possible that the 2 brothers had contemporary or even elder sisters, in that case; the Bible simply doesn’t say.

    • It is my understanding Eve was formed from Adam’s rib, and has that part that use to be in Adam like nurturing, softness…Eve is of G-d’s image too. Two make one. Plus, G-d loved his creation so much, he died to save it. G-d did not just die for men. Both sexes are G-d’s greatest creation. Both have G-d’s image/traits.

      Adam took the fruit willingly knowing he would die, but not fully understanding death. In short, he loved her so much, he died for her. Both of them showed remose to G-d, and was given grace. Lucifer, was given respite until Judgement day.

  31. Hi there, I’m currently following a blog which also is discussing Nephilim, fallen angels, end times army and so on – have you seen it? http://www.fivedovesletters.blogspot.com

    Thanks y’all
    Biff

  32. Current sham POTUS, a perfect example of this.

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  34. Daniels Fourth Kingdom – clay and iron – is The Revised Rome- The USA.

    Obama is the antichrist Beast – Of Mixed Lineage “seed” that receives his power from Satan but looks only like a man ( the number of a man: 666).
    Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to look upon him.

    Daniel faints from this dream of the end times.

    Revelations – The last chapter is A HAPPY – new beginning – After The Beast and False Prophet are destroyed by Christ and his Predecessor.

    Read it.

  35. I know everyone will probably be afraid to touch this except in a negative way, at least for those who are wrapped tight in their paradigm box. What if ‘they’ are hybrids or some other creation of the Evil One? Afterall, it is stated here that the ‘seed’ does allude to some sort of offspring that is not human. Remember Genesis 6. Remember what the Lord directly mentioned about the last days being like the time of Noah. There is a strong suggestion that Noah and his family were not chosen for necessarily being morally sound but due to his geneology. What?! And how can the animals have been corrupt unless they were tampered with as well. Before calling me crazy ask the Lord for insight. Aliens will play a major role in the great deception Jesus forewarned us about.

  36. […] Besides the already established connection with Baal, or his full name in this case, Baalhazor, “Lord of the Fortresses”, there is a curious parallel between this Ala Mahozim and the god Melkart, worshiped in the island kingdom of Tyre. This god was supposedly brought to the island by Astarte after he had fallen from the heavens. His name means, “King of the Fortresses”. […]

  37. […] Besides the already established connection with Baal, or his full name in this case, Baalhazor, “Lord of the Fortresses”, there is a curious parallel between this Ala Mahozim and the god Melkart, worshiped in the island kingdom of Tyre. This god was supposedly brought to the island by Astarte after he had fallen from the heavens. His name means, “King of the Fortresses”. […]

  38. Two very recent technologies are setting the stage for a possible explanation for this phrase Iron and clay in the seeds of men. Some geneticists are predicting a new “Hybrid Age” where “Transhumans” will be (and are already being) created with enhanced powers through combination of human genes and animal genes. Much of this research is funded by DARPA. Anoither group predicts that humans will be enhanced through computer chip implants and nano-prosthetics. Combine these with the possibility (probability) of demonic interaction and you have a scary future. No wonder people will take the mark if it means gaining an advantage over others through physical and mental enhancement (e.g. all of the info on the internet via a Google implant ?

  39. You mentioned “soul-less men” in this article…We already have soul-less beings on earth. Have you heard of all the unarmed people getting killed by cops and military soldiers. Gov’t employees are soul-less and, interestingly enough, they are also giants (large in stature). Also, nowadays it would be easy for demons to impregnate women considering that women are so sleezy (single mothers that don’t even know who fathered their children). Artificial insemination has become popular too; and who knows where the semen comes from? Most gov’t workers are recruited from the lowest classes of society, where women meat men in bars.

  40. The following verse supports the demons mixing with men idea (See 1 Chronicles 20:8). Read the preceding verses to get the full context. Interesting to note that the giants (plural) are defeated by King David and his servants.

  41. Gen. 6:4

    In those days and after (today?).

    “There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown” (NKJV).

    • Other option—-

      Derek Prince concludes that fallen angels are the ones “knowing” women.

      Demons are “spirits” of lost souls that oppress men/women – such as “unclean” or “deaf” etc.

      I think the reference to this is in his book ~ “War in Heaven” or an newsletter.

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