Was Jesus black?

An interesting theory is going around that Jesus was black. I think this is part of the black pride movement. While blacks have the right to be proud of themselves as a people, and demonstrate their unique contributions to society, is this theory in line with biblical history?

I just had an interesting contact from a reader, who believed this theory. During the discussion, I was given the source of this story, so I looked it up.

The basic proposal was that Judah, son of Israel, had an affair with Tamar, a Canaanite woman, who gave birth to 2 boys, who were the ancestors of Jesus.

Step 1. Look at what the Bible says. I skipped a few verses that were not relevant. One can read all of Genesis 38. It will not change the interpretation

Gen 38:2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name [was] Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.

*** Judah marries a Canaanite woman named Shuah.

*** Shuah is NOT Tamar, and it never says they are related.

Gen 38:3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er.

Gen 38:6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name [was] Tamar.

*** Tamar was his daughter in law, wife of his first son, Er. It never says Tamar was a Canaanite. Other races or nationalities are named when mentioning one of those people. Otherwise, the person is Hebrew.

Gen 38:7 And Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.

Gen 38:11 Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father’s house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren [did]. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father’s house.

Gen 38:12 And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah’s wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite.

Gen 38:13 And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep.

Gen 38:14 And she put her widow’s garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which [is] by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife.

Gen 38:15 When Judah saw her, he thought her [to be] an harlot; because she had covered her face.

Gen 38:16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she [was] his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?

Gen 38:24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she [is] with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.

Gen 38:25 When she [was] brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these [are, am] I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose [are] these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff.

Gen 38:26 And Judah acknowledged [them], and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.

Gen 38:27 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins [were] in her womb.

***The two boys that were born were Perez and Zarah. Perez was an ancestor of Jesus. He was Jewish, not Canaanite.

Step 2. Remember, Jesus was not formed from a human male father. It was a virgin birth. The Y chromosome came from God. So, it does not matter what relatives the earth parents, Joseph and Mary, had. It did not involve Jesus.

The only way Jesus could be physically related to a Canaanite was if ALL the grandmothers, great grandmothers, etc, not fathers, that were related to Mary were listed, and they were found to be Canaanite. But this is not true.

But then, so what? Canaanites were not black. Remember, God had forbidden the Israelites to marry outside their nation. This had nothing to do with racism. It had to do with righteous seed that would precede and pave the way for the Messiah. At that time, ONLY the Israelites were considered sanctified for this purpose, and were the only ones who possessed God’s laws and commandments. They were to be separate, and apart from the rest of the world, not blending in with pagan nations.

Step 3. Black Africans appear to be of Nubian descent, not Canaanite. Ancient Nubians (Cushites) had the black skin, while other descendants of Ham seemed to have more copper tones.

Noah had cursed Canaan, son of Ham, because he was mocked as naked. Gen 9:20-27 explains the three-fold division of the race for its spiritual dimensions.

Noah had 3 sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Shem would be the line through whom the Messiah would come, not Ham, and Japheth would find blessing in union with the line (and the seed, ultimately the Messiah) of Shem. Any man who was a physical descendent of a Canaanite would be disqualified as Messiah.

Gen 10:6-20 gives the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim (Egypt), and Phut, and Canaan, and their descendants. None of these would be qualified to be messianic lineage, since none were from the seed of Shem.

Nubia was another name for the ancient kingdom of Cush, sons of Ham, son of Noah. So any Nubian would also be disqualified as an ancestor for the Messiah.

http://www.angelfire.com/oh/AncientKnowledge/NUBIA.html

Jesus was NOT a descendant of Cush (son of Ham, who was son of Noah), since that lineage was not qualified. The ancestors of Jesus are listed in Matthew and Luke. He was a descendant of Shem, son of Noah. It is a completely different blood line. Also, God followed the lineage of the fathers, not the mothers, to set apart the “seed” that would precede the Messiah. Mothers have no seed.

Therefore, the Messiah could never come from a Canaanite.

Step 4. Why would I say that Black Africans are from Cush, and not Canaan?

I have collected some pictures of ancient and modern peoples. See who looks really black and who does not.

Ancient Canaanites below- note the copper color

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Egyptians below

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Jordanian women (Moabites) – they look almost white

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Palestinians – living in America now-below- copper color

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Below – in order, from left to right – Syrian, Nubian, Libyan, Egyptian –ancient (notice that the Nubian and Egyptian, both descendants of Ham are darker, and that the Nubian is black.)

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Nubians – modern

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Step 5. Neither male nor female ancestor matters anyhow. Jesus is the son of God, not man. He was to be one of his brethren, the Jews, according to 4000 years of prophecy. He was not to be other any of nation except Israel. Mary had to have a pure Hebrew lineage, to be qualified as a mother for the Messiah. If she had been of any other race, God would have had to pick another woman.

Step 6. Addressing other racial issues. Also notice, in the next graph, that even the Moabites were Semites (Shemites).

“An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter the congregation of the Lord; even to the tenth generation none of his descendants shall enter the congregation of the Lord FOREVER”. (Deuteronomy 23:3)

Ruth, the “Moabite” ancestor of Jesus, was also qualified, racially. Evaluation of the ancient Hebrew text, and biblical history, demonstrates that she was an Israelite living in Moab, after Israel’s conquest of Moab. The real Moabites had been destroyed. So even she had to be Jewish. Her future husband, Boaz, was her kinsman redeemer, so they were related.

***Reference http://www.cryaloud.com/book_story_ruth_moabite_levirate_law_marriage.htm

God said that NO ONE with gentile mixing could be accepted as Messiah.

So, in conclusion, if Jesus had been a descendant of a Canaanite, or any Nubian (black), he would not have been the Messiah.

People !!!!!

It does not matter about race or skin color. Get past this. He is the Messiah. He is here for everyone. Your race does not matter. God made everyone.

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Note:

This entire idea that Jesus was black comes from 2 mis- statements from scripture

That hair of Jesus was “like wool” and that man was made from “top soil” which is black, so the original man was black, and Jesus would have to be like him. This is foolish.

1. As to the argument that Jesus’ hair was like wool, the bible actually says….

Rev 1:14 His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire;

It is talking about his hair being “white as snow, and white as wool.”

It is very clear that this has nothing to do with skin color, but the color of the hair.

2. It NEVER said Adam was made of BLACK TOP SOIL……..just that it was just DUST. .and dust is not black

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


327 Responses to “Was Jesus black?”

  1. [...] their unique contributions to society, is this theory in line with biblical history? Click here for [...]

    • Hi. I have not yet read the entire article, but I intend to do so as it is interesting. One thing that I do know, however, is that the ancient Israelites, Canaanites, and Egyptians were all white. The bible is a book about the descendants of Adam and Eve who were white. All of their descendants are white. The other races were created separately and are called the “living creatures of the earth” mistranslated as “beasts”. The Palestinians who you said were “copper colored” look “white” to me.

      • Jim,

        Hi hope you are well.

        There are no white people. Look at your own skin if you are of European descent. Your skin is at best pale. Your skin is not the color of cotton or the color of a cloud.

        What scripture can you give to back your assertions? If you read your Bible you will see that in addition from Adam and Eve all are from Noah as well.

        I suggest you change your last name as well, it is very misleading.

        Love,

        John

        • Hi John, I am OK. I hope you are well, too. I understand what you are saying about skin color. White people have a variety of shades and tones. Few are alabaster white. Read the post below by Bee. She explains what the word Adam means and, how it describes a certain race of people. Basically, if you have some red or pink in your skin tone and, are not too dark, have the ability to blush, and have caucasian features and hair, you are an Adamite or a descendant of Adam and Eve. This would include the so-called “copper colored” people that Marianne keeps mentioning, or at least I assume so. The term “Caucasian” is probably a better term to use than white, because many people immediately visualize only the most fair-skinned people as being “white”.

          As far as my other assertians are concerned about all of the nations of the bible being white, I don’t have time to answer right now, but I will try to post more on it later. It is not hard to prove.

          Love,

          Jim

      • hi Jim

        Compared to black like this page, the Palestinians look white to me also. They have a hint of skin color, so I said copper colored.

        • Hi Marianne. Right. To me, all of the people in your photos are white prople. Including the ancient Canaanites who not only are white, but are pictured with red hair which we know that only white people have. To me, anyone with a light copper colored hue is white.

    • Marianne, I have read most of the responses below, and I think that you have done an excellent job of refuting the bogus arguments advanced by some in an attempt to prove that Jesus was black. You are very learned in the scriptures as well as history, geography and archaeology, and I have learned quite a few things from reading your posts.

      Having said that, there are areas in which you and I differ. As I posted below, I believe that Adam and Eve and all of their descendants were white, and that the other races were created separately by God and are the so-called “beasts” or “living creatures” of the earth. I think that you are mistaken in saying that the Jews (better Israelites) are not white and that they are “a copper color” or something. It is true that not all Jews today are white, but the vast majority of them are, but that does not really matter that much, because the Jews are not Israel anyhow. The true Israelites today are most definitely all fair-skinned white people.

  2. Hi Marianne
    Very interesting topic which I have studied before.
    The answer basically comes down to this.
    God only created ” man” and man comes from the word “Adam”
    Adam is clearly a description see ; Genesis Ge 5:2
    Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
    This is all of God’s creation. Picture this ” morning Adam,” ” Morning Mrs Adam” clearly a description.
    Considering the whole planet is made up of three diff races being White, Black and oriental who does the description fit ?
    Strongs”
    ‘adam TWOT – 119 hebrew
    Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
    aw-dam’ Verb
    Definition

    1. to be red, red
    1. (Qal) ruddy (of Nazarites)
    2. (Pual)
    1. to be rubbed red
    2. dyed red
    3. reddened
    3. (Hiphil)
    1. to cause to show red
    2. to glare
    3. to emit (show) redness
    4. (Hithpael)
    1. to redden
    2. to grow red
    3. to look red
    The above description only fits a white person as none of the other two are red or able to blush.
    Therefore knowing this you must always know that when the Bible says ” man’ or ” woman” or ” Adam” God is speaking about a white person.
    Not trying to be racist just following the evidence.
    Compare these two passages.
    Numbers Nu 12:1
    And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
    Ok so she was white. Now compare
    Jer 13:23
    Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
    Ok so this ethiopian is not white as there is no ” man” used to describe him.
    Remember very importantly what does the word ” Hue” mean, it means ” colour”
    Now look at ” Hue (colour) + man ( white) = Human, a description.
    Therefore it is incorrect to say Black Man ( white)
    So what does the Bible call non-whites ?
    He calls them by their tribe name omitting the word man, or he calls them ” a people” , ” persons” or ” beasts”
    As you will note that beasts often have human characteristics attached to them that is not possible for an animal to perform.
    See Ezekiel Eze 14:15
    If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:
    This is a long study and am busy working on it. I will post when I’m done.

    Marianne we know God did not create everyone as Satan clearly has a seed per our previous discussion on the ” garden of Eden” and trees being nations. The God of the Bible only created ” man” and does not want them to defile themselves.
    Jude Jude 1:8
    Likewise * * also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh * *, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

    Strongs: Defile 3392 1. to dye with another colour, to stain
    2. to defile, pollute, sully, contaminate, soil
    1. to defile with sins
    3393: from 3392 1. that which defiles, defilement
    2. metaph., vices the foulness of which contaminates one in his intercourse with the ungodly mass of mankind

    And that is in the New Testament.
    this goes on and on and on and is everywhere but bottom line you can never say that Biblically ” man ” is ever anyone else but a ” Caucasian”
    So in conclusion ” Jesus came as a man” therefore He was white and not black.
    Blessings in the search for Truth
    Bee

    • “Remember very importantly what does the word ” Hue” mean, it means ” colour”
      Now look at ” Hue (colour) + man ( white) = Human, a description.
      Therefore it is incorrect to say Black Man ( white)
      So what does the Bible call non-whites ?
      He calls them by their tribe name omitting the word man, or he calls them ” a people” , ” persons” or ” beasts”
      As you will note that beasts often have human characteristics attached to them that is not possible for an animal to perform.
      See Ezekiel Eze 14:15
      If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:
      This is a long study and am busy working on it. I will post when I’m done.”

      Bee, are you serious? “Hue-man” is your proof that non-white people are beasts? For goodness sakes, you must know that they did not speak english in the day of Christ so surely you cannot be depending on english pronunciations as any kind of argument.

    • Racist comments! I´m a Man with blue eyes and blond hair. But I was offended by your racist comments. Mormons uses to think this way. That the black color was because of Noah´s curse. Jesus created all nations , colors and tribes. The man who carried the Cross for Jesus Christ was not called as a beast or other thing in bible ( he was black). He is an example of the men who in the future would spread the gospel of the cross through all nations. If black people do not preach the gospel in USA, USA would be a Quaker nation till today.
      You seem to be a KKK member. You pretend to be Christian but you need to convert yourself and read the bible, mainly about love.

    • Bee

      I feel sorry for you honeybun. Wake up! Jesus came for all nations, because of him you might have eternal life if you repent sweetheart, by the way black people are not beast. Read your Bible. Then repent. Through the blood that was shed we shall be saved. He was of a hebrew lineage. It does not matter anyway, the Bible says all shall bow and every tongue confess. Black, white, blue, copper, olive, yellow who cares about color.

    • Bee, Great Post!!!!! The meaning of the word Adam proves that he was white and had a pinkish hue to his skin, as did Eve. Obviously, all of their descendants were also white people, so where did the other races come from? The answer is that they were created separately as the “beasts” or “living creatures” of the earth!!!!!

  3. Hmmm, this really bothers you. Why? If he was “black” would you have a problem with that? Truth is, no one really knows the “color” of Jesus. Therefore, I say take all of the pictures of “jesus” (both white & black) down from every church, school, etc. – because they are lies and forms of idolatry. What do you think about my statements?

    • Most people think he was Mediterranean in appearance, not the stereotypical West European white that is depicted in paintings and some movies.

  4. Hi Pastor Luke,

    Like I said in this post, race does not matter, because Jesus came for everyone. I was just exploring what the bible said about the ancestry of Jesus due to a recent conversation with someone who really believed Jesus was black. The person gave a reason for his belief, but the bible did not back up his belief. He had the facts confused. So I thought I would just explain what the Bible required of the Messiah’s genealogy.

    This was just an academic discussion. When Jesus was born, there was no commentary about his skin color. He was clearly Jewish, born of Jewish parents, of the tribe of Judah.

    People make assumptions and then get excited about them and believe them. I see art from around the world. I see Chinese Jesus, black Jesus, white Jesus, Eskimo Jesus, Mexican Jesus, and even an Arab Jesus.

    I want people to focus on Jesus as the son of God, and as the Messiah. If they will just do that, and not get into all this racial stuff, it would be helpful.

    blessings
    marianne

  5. Hi M
    I congratulate you on your earnest search for answers and tackling the hard questions, as these questions will come up if we like it or not and need to be answered. Pastor Luke comes from a ” chuchianity” background where they are taught not to go after the Truth but to rather not offend anyone and stay away from the controversial stuff.
    This is not what Jesus came to preach as we well know he had to speak in parables as His message was very controversial
    He did say he came to bring division and the sword.
    He says nothing and He means nothing will be hid from us if we search and find, so to say ” we will never know this or that” is completely incorrect and is a perfect example of the watered down Gospel resulting in the “apostate church” we see today.
    Malachi 2

    2:1
    And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. …..2:8
    But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; …..2:12
    The LORD will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar,
    These are very dire warnings to those that teach and preach and these racial topics are addressed in the Law, therefore we must also be able to address them, to those we teach.The law still stands 100% except the blood sacrifice. I applaud you for tackling these hard questions with an open mind !
    here is an interesting link to the apostate church
    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=260

    Blessings
    Bee

  6. Hi Bee,

    The truth is precious and should be safe guarded. Jesus died for it. Everyone who is sincere is on the path to finding it. Some are a little behind. Some are a little farther ahead. I appreciate your energy and passion. :)

    blessings
    marianne

  7. Still on the sectrets of fatimah has the catholic church ever came out clear on the 3rd secret? Why for Gods sake is it still not very clearly stated. Am sorry but the fact that they the catholic opted not to reveal this in 1960 as demanded, then it could be a way to cover up! Is it true that the pope then tried to read and revael and got so shocked by wht he saw that he collpased and had to be hospitalized? Is it true that the other popes with him opted not to reveal this?

  8. Hi humphrey,

    I think this post below fairly well sums up what the 3rd secret was. Lucia now is very old, and it was confirmed by her that the events you see predicted in the Book of Revelation would begin, starting as early as 1950and into the 2000’s. There will be the last trumpet sounded before the day of wrath of God. Natural disasters, a global earthquake will occur for 10 minutes, and nuclear war will occur, only 1/3 of humanity will be left. But God says not to fear. Repent and pray.

    See more here:

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/lucia-reveals-the-3rd-secret-of-fatima/

    blessings
    marianne

  9. Hi. Pastor Luke, good point. Marianne thank you for discussing this. Jesus was born in the Middle East. Israel. Lineage is Israeli. Some Israelis a lighter skin color than others who do have a darker, light brown, copper like color. However, again as both you and Pastor Luke said, it doesnt matter what color his skin was. He the Messiah, our Lord, Saviour, God. We serve him, acknowledge Him and what he did for us in order to have a chance for salvation.
    Thank you for this information and topic.
    BTW, do you know and can explain the Table of Nations? I know its a family tree like of all humans begining with Noah. Just curious.
    God Bless.

  10. Hi RT

    I sometimes wish Jesus was born a color that did not match anyone. That way one group could not claim superiority over others. But being the same color of Jesus does not make someone holy. Like you said, only giving our lives over the the Lord, repenting and obeying God can get us started. Holiness will not even be possible until we get to heaven.

    The table of nations is a big topic. It would have to be a separate discussion. Here is one link:
    http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Table-of-Nations

    blessings
    marianne

  11. Hi Marianne. Amen to what you said about Wishing Jesus would be a color that didnt match anyone. We are all equall in God’s eyes. Jesus paid the ultimate price for all of us, not for one race or color. Unfortunetly ignorance does exist in this world, well for now. Thank you for the information on the table of nations. I will check out the link.
    God Bless
    RT

  12. The line of Jesus is clearly stated in Gods word He is from the line of Shem a.k.a. a Shemite or Semite for short. I would have to agree with Pastor Luke too, take down the images as this seems to promote only vain speculation.

    Thats my story and Im sticking to it. ;)

  13. hi David,

    Nice to hear from you. :) This post is addressing speculation that is already out there – and how it lines up with scripture, or doesn’t.

    The conclusion is – it is inconclusive – the image does not matter, and it is all speculation !!!! :P

    blessings
    marianne

  14. Now let us remember Yeshua did also have brethren and a sister, so then if his skin was different than his siblings then surely Mary would have been stoned for adultery. Mary did have children after Yeshua was born and Joseph was of course the Father. Yet Yeshua was chosen to be born of God into the family of Israel being the least among the nations and living at the lowest point on Earth, that being the Dead Sea region.

  15. Hi Rodney,

    I guess the main point here is the family genealogy, and righteousness, is more important than skin color. The Bible does not think it is important enough to mention it, regarding Yeshua. People make too much of a big deal out of color. Being Jewish is more important, regarding the Messiah.

    blessings
    marianne

  16. As a black American male who is proud of my American hertiage and (all) people who are citizens of this country, I have looked at this subject and find no reason to believe Jesus was black but he was a Hebrew.
    The Bible refers to His hair being like lambs wool. This is common amongst the Hebrew people. Kinky hair, feet the color of burnt brass (Rev. 1:14,15)
    I think the bottom line is that we as a nation of believers must focus on what God did when He sent His beloved son, and not the appearance of His skin. His body was given to Him; He was born to die, and was choosen to come through Hebrew lineage.
    There are thousands of black Americans who are looking for something positive to hold on too. Likewise there are thousand of Mexican Americans, Asian and white Americans who use this subject as a rallying cry. But Jesus was Jewish,and that is the bottom line, and we all identify with Him through His blood, not His skin color. Amen!!!!!!

    • Rev. Williams, good post. Finally a black person who has not lost his ability to think objectively about this. Jesus was white as were the ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, Babylonians, Canaanites, Israelites, etc.. All of the descendants of Adam and Eve were white. The theory that blacks and other races are descended from Ham is not true. Also, the verse you quote in revelation says that Jesus’s HEAD was white! Most people ignore that, and just gloss over it and focus on the hair being white like wool. It is talking about COLOR, not curliness or kinkiness. It’s amazing that more people don’t understand this.

  17. Dear Rev Williams

    I agree. Like you said, people tend to look for something positive to hold onto. What we all need to see is that the positive thing about Jesus was not what color he was, but that he was our savior, who came for everyone. God did not make everyone to look the same. That is His sovereign decision. But He did make us to be righteous, with Him forever in heaven.

    blessings always
    marianne

  18. If Jesus was “the Son of God, not man” as you say… can you explain why he so frequently called himself “The Son of Man?”

    Christianity teaches that Jesus was 100% divine AND 100% human. This means he certainly did have a physical lineage and probably looked like his ancestors.

    All that stuff about Shem, Ham and Japheth being different races, is just very old racist propaganda. The Bible never assigns different skin colors to those 3 sons of Noah. They had the same mother and father, and they probably all looked alike. Scientifically we know that “race” does not even exist. We all belong to the human race. Of course there are different skin tones, hair textures, etc. in various families around the earth. When you go to spiritualize that, it’s just racism pure and simple.

    If you want to use logic to say Jesus could NOT have been black because he was a descendant of Shem, the very same logic must tell you that Ham also could not have been black, as the son of Noah and Noah’s wife. How could Noah and his wife have 3 sons of different races? Are you suggesting they became different races after the flood? Does that make sense to you?

    It doesn’t make sense to me. It’s logic the slavers used to claim that black people were cursed and therefore it was ok to mistreat them.

  19. Hi Jewel

    The expression “Son of God, not man” was a reference to the fact that Jesus had no physical, human father, so the skin color of Joseph would have been irrelevant. Jesus could have only had the skin color of his mother.

    Based on geography, not racist thinking, those that had the black skin color lived no where near where the Hebrews lived. Hebrews only married within their own tribes, and for the most part, still do today. About 99.999 % of them are white, not black, reflecting the ancestry color.

    Whether you use the word race or color does not matter to Jews. They all all from one father Isaac, so they are a family. Jesus was part of this family, who then, and now, are not black, but white.

    If people misused this information, then it is unfortunate. It does not change the issue of what skin color Jesus would have been. IF jesus were here today, he would tell you to forget this. He could not come as a bicolored person, just to make future peoples happy. He was part of the Jewish family and he did not, therefore, have black skin. The only Jews that today have dark skin are those that moved to Ethiopia, and intermarried with natives there. This was the tribe of Dan. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, so he retained the lighter skin color.

    The reason I posted this is because people are fantasizing about Jesus being black, when it would have been genetically impossible to be so. He was not a descendant of anyone black. His mother was copper tone / white, and this tribe is still this color today.

    blessings
    marianne

  20. Moses married a black woman. Therefore all the descendants of Moses were part black.

    Historically, Jews are neither black nor white, but just dark skinned with black hair.

    In the end all, skin color doesn’t matter. Jesus died for all who would receive Him.

  21. Hi Tiro

    You are right. It does not matter what color Jesus was. I wrote about this because some people are having the fantasy that Jesus was really black. The Bible does not say this, only that he was jewish.

    Both the modern and ancient Jews in that area are copper colored, so that is the most likely color he was.

    Jesus was not a descendant of Moses. He was a descendant of the tribe of Judah, then the house of David, through David’s son Nathan.

    I was just trying to distinguish between rumor and fact. People are thinking that he was definitely black, and I am saying there is no proof.

    Jesus could only be one color. He would look funny if he was multi-colored just to make everyone happy. :)

    blessings
    marianne

  22. *nods* What you have just described pretty much is an advanced and highly-researched way of what I think: that Jesus was born from Hebrews, to my best knowledge.

  23. Further, I feel a need to amend your diligence. You seem to have put plenty of effort into this.

  24. Hi KT

    Thank you about the research. I am just trying to show people how to search the scritpures to see what is and is not true.

    blessings
    marianne

  25. If you read Isaiah 53: 2, it give us a hint that his appearance was not like, how the movies portray him!
    Scripture also points out that his eyes were dark in colour and his teeth were as white as milk!

  26. I want to say that Yahshua’s(Jesus’) colour does not matter from a spiritual stand point as far as His message is concerned. However from the religous/political point of view which wanted to use religion as a weapon to govern easier, it was discovered by the Roman Catholic Church, to not be advantageous to depict Yahshuah as a man who wasn’t European.

    Which is the reason for the depiction of Him with European features, by Michaelangelo who was comissioned by the Catholic Church to paint him.

    Its actually somewhat inconceivable to believe that the people who are living Israel today are actually from the Tribe of Judah..especially when the so-called Jews in Israel now, identify themselves as Ashkenazi Jews.. Look up Ashkenaz in Jesus’ lineage.. He is not of Shem’s lineage but Japeth..

    The Jews who are in Israel now are from the land of Khazaria.. Look up the book the 13th Tribe which is written by a Jew..

    More than likely Yahshua looked the same way the Ancient Egyptians did.. And I don’t mean like the Arabs who are living in Egypt now..

  27. Dear aaron,

    The Michaelangelo painting has little influence on Jewish records.

    There were 12 original tribes. 13 were finally recognized by Moses, because Joseph had 2 sons, and each were considered a tribe also that would receive an inheritance. All were of “Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” descent.

    Sephardic Jews are those who have always lived in the Israeli region, or surrounding areas. Ashkenaz is a term for those who migrated northwards, toward Russia and Europe, and the bible acknowledges their return in the last days back to Israel. Since the bible acknowledges them as Jews, they are Jews as well.

    In the last days, the Jews will return from the “land of the north,” which is the Ashkenaz region. This is what they are doing now. They look a little different because of some intermarriage with surrounding peoples over a long period.

    Jer 3:18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.

    Jer 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

    Zec 2:6 Ho, ho, [come forth], and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.

    blessings
    marianne

  28. Like the post, but can’t say that I totally agree. First of all, I’m not saying I think that Jesus was as dark as me(or as you put it of Nubian descent), but it is clear in the bible that he was definitely of a darker skin tone. Remember as a baby his family fled to Egypt in order to hide from King Herod. Think about it… How would the family possibly be able to blend in with the darker egyptians if they did not have a similar skin tone?And in Revelations his skin was decribed as being like burnt brass(which is a copper alloy consisting of copper and zinc).Take a penny(copper) and put a lighter under it… now what color do you see?Now let’s have a history lesson. Historically people of the Middle East region were typically dark until the middle ages and into the Crusades period. During this time many of the Europeans would have children with the women(either through marriage or by rape), or many of the people(mainly Jews) in this region were forced away from their homelands and settled in Europe.This is why the pictures that you have of people in the Middle East have lighter skin tones(the picture of the Palestinians lol, be serious, their skin tone looks nothing like copper).It wasn’t until 1948 that Ireal was established again as a country, bringing many of the European Jews, who had married and had children by white Europeans, back to the region. So think about it, it doesn’t take but a few generations to for physical characteristics to dissapear. Think about the black American slaves. The masters would have chilren with the female slaves and the babies would come out light. If the slaves were kept as house-negroes that had childrem with other house negroes, they’re descendants would obviously keep their features.But if not, and they had children with the field-negroes, and so on, eventually there would be no trace of the bloodline from the Master.Take a look at the Native Americans. I know plenty of people who say they are 1/8 or 1/16 whatever, and there is no resemblance between them and another person who says that they are 100% whatever. The bloodline was diluted by white settlers, so of course they would not have the same physical features of someone who has pure Native American blood.So if the tribes of Isreal were away form their homeland for hunreds(some even close to a few thousand) years, obviously the many people who say they are jews today will not resemble the Hebrew people in that are spoken of in bible.REALLY just think about it, Jesus lived over 2 thousand years ago! Just study a few people in the bible (Moses, Abraham, David), and then go do some research about how their people looked during their time in history, and how the people were blended in their regions(Mainly the land of UR, and Mesopotamia. You will see that they were mostly of a darker skin color, and not the European resembling jesus that was promoted by the Roman Catholic Church in the first millenium. I just think you should do some more actual research befor posting something like this.

  29. Hi Steve,

    There is no evidence that Jesus was black. Going to Egypt did not mean he “blended in.” He was just there. Foreigners were common there. Also, what says that the Egyptians were black? Ancient pictures say otherwise.

    The Jews married within their tribes, so they kept their gene pool relatively consistent. Those that strayed away and married pagan wives, became pagans too, unless they converted to Christianity later, and do not claim to be Jews today.

    I never said Jesus was pure white. I indicated he was like the others in his region, mostly copper toned, or just “tan” in appearance.

    Not every group in the world has married “pure white” people and then got diluted out in color. Most groups marry within their race or religion.

    hope this helps
    marianne

  30. Marianne,
    First of all let me say, it really does not matter to me what color or what “race” Jesus was.But Obviuosly you did not read the first few lines of my post, otherwise you would not have responded the way you did, because I never said that he was black, I said that he was of a darker skin tone.I was just asking you to do a little more research before you put a post about this particular issue, but it is appearent that you did not do so.In your response you said that Jews married within their tribes to keep their gene pool consistent. This is very true, but they did marry and had children with others outside of their race, even people in Jesus’ genealogy(i.e. Abraham, Judah,Salmon, Boaz, David just to name a few). And quite frankly your interpretation of the scriptures is truly distorted(Deuteronomy 23:3). Your own arguments actually go against what you are trying to prove. You state that Ruth married Boaz. But if you actually did your research you would know that Rahab,Boaz’s mother, was a canaanite. David’s wife Bethsheba was a Hittite. Hittites were decendats of either Ham or Japheth, therefore making her a Gentile.Another problem with your arguments is your pictures, they show modern pictures which coencidently do not portray the indegenous people of the regions. You have pictures of people from Turkey(who you claim are the sons of ham), and women from Jordan(whom you claim are Moabites), with captions stating that they look white. For you to think that these or the indegenous people of theses regions are either pure ignorance, or just plain selfishness.And you have a picture of two Palestinian who you claim are “copper-tone”, lol Honestly you must be blind. Seriously just do a little research.True this is historically where these peoples resided, but as time went on migration of Anglos and other Caucasians caused a mixing of the races and ethnic groups, so obviously over the years they would take on different physical features(i.e. white skin tone). You asked me who says that egyptians are black… well history does. What is called modern day Egypt is not at all what was considered Egpyt thousands of years ago(as is the case for Israel and other countries in this region). Egypt extended much farther south, and was not occupied by Arabs until years after Mohhamed’s death. And the Anglos did not come until much later. If you were to look at earlier ancient hieroglyphics and pictures, not just the one you posted, you would see that they are a darker people. Maybe not as dark as the sub-sahara Africans, but definitely darker than the ones you have in your pictures. If you were to study the lands of Ur, Mesopotamia, and even Babylon(the regions near modern day Kuwait and Iraq), where Abraham and Moses came from, you would know that the people were of darker skin tones.Meaning that the orginal hebrews, and also the other people of this region, would not be as light as they appear today. If you were to look at the Americas today this is quite evident. Obviously the indegenous people of this country were the light-brown skinned people who we now call Native Americans. Yet today the majority of the people in this country are Anglo(descendant of immagrants from generally northern European heritage, e.g., English, German, etc.) And even some who claim to have Indian blood do not resemble those who are 100% pure Native American.My grandfather on my father’s side was 1/2 Native American, and my great-grandmother on my mother’s was white but I’m as black as night, so it’s not hard to realize how just over a few generations physical characteristics can change. 400 years ago there were no Africans in America, yet today we are everywhere!So it doesn’t take much to see how migration could have an impact on the ethnic makeup of a region. So to use a mordern day regional ethnic makeup does not depict the ethnic makeup of the people who lived during biblical days…You say that “neither male nor female ancestor matters anyhow”, which shows that you are confused yourself because you also say that “God said that NO ONE with gentile mixing could be accepted as Messiah.” Your two statements seem to negate each other. The promise of the seed had nothing to do with Gentile mixing.This was not apart of the covenant that God gave to Abraham, so where are you getting this from? If this was the case Nathan, the son of David(also the son of a Gentile mother), could not have passed on the seed of the Messiah.So if you believe that Jesus could not be mixed with Gentile blood, then how could you believe that was white since the Anglos and Caucasians themselves were Gentile.If you beleive his natural parents have no significance, then it would not have been important for Joseph to be his natural father(A descendant of Shem,Abraham, David, and also of the Tribe of Judah).Jesus’ male ancestors trace a line from Shem. However, ethnically and racially, they were mixed Semitic and Hamitic from the times spent in captivity in Egypt and Babylon.Like I’ve stated before I never said that Jesus was black,just that he was of a dark skin tone,and not white.Whites and Arabs did not impact this region until after Jesus’ death, with the exceptions of the Romans.Biblically your argument is unproven because you never traced the full genealogy of Jesus, and your statments of the promise of the seed do not match what the scrpitures say. Jesus’ ancestors were Jews(Hebrews), yet his paternal lineage(shown in Matthew) and his Maternal lineage(shown in Luke) both have Gentile traces. But Jesus was still a Jew, and the seed of the Messiah was still passed through Shem,to Abraham, and through David so the promise was still fulfilled. Joseph was from the line of David. Therefore, Jesus, though not born from Joseph, was Joseph’s heir, and therefore had the right of the throne, which Joseph had, according to Matthew.So again just do a little bit more reading of the Word, and also take some history lesson that way you’ll be more informed. You seem to only pick sources that will only reassure what you believe, but in actuality they just contradict what you are trying to prove.

    hope this helps

    (please excuse any grammar problems, but I’m writing this at work)

  31. Hi Steve,

    I think we are in more agreement that you think…..we both say Jesus was neither black or white, but something in between.

    Ruth lived in Moab after the Israelites conquered it, and killed all the native Moabites. She was a Hebrew, and kin to Boaz. The Hebrews, especially righteous ones like Boaz, did not marry Canaanites, as a rule, because it was forbidden. In the Ruth account, she states that her God is the same as the God of Naomi, which makes her Hebrew. Naomis family were all Hebrews, living in Moab, and they married other Hebrews living there.

    Bathsheba was the daughter of Eliam ( Hebrew mother), who was the wife of Uriah the Hittite. The Hittites are usually depicted as a people living among the Israelites – Abraham purchases the Patriarchal burial-plot of Machpelah from them, and Hittites serve as high military officers in David’s army. They appeared to possess physical characteristics typical of Mediterranean people – which was not “black.” Only the Cushites were black. You are trying to make everyone in Canaan black or “dark” to support your theory. Bathsheba is considered Hebrew, not Hittite, since Jews go by the mother’s race, not the father’s. But Hittites were not black.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites

    see map on link….the hittites were not from Africa.

    You said:

    “You asked me who says that Egyptians are black… well history does.”

    Where is the proof they were black? Their own artwork from that era does not show this. But then it does not matter.

    Jesus was not an Egyptian. He was not an African either. He was Jewish, and Jewish people were not black. They may have had a tan or copper toned look, but they were not black.

    Nathan was not a gentile. You are coming up with a lot of claims but no proof. And you will not find any, because it does not exist.

    Joseph was a guardian to Jesus. He was not the natural father. God was. The physical lineage was through Mary, not Joseph. Jesus was not a descendant of Ham. Captivity in a region does not make you racially part of that region. That is if I decided to live in Kenya for 40 years. It does not make me black because I lived there. There is no “Ham” in Mary’s lineage.

    You are in error when you claim gentile lineages and color of skin associated with that lineage. You are making assumptions about so many people being “dark” but based on what evidence? Who told you all this?

    The will of God for the Jewish people was that they do not marry non-Jews. Thus you would expect God to make sure that the Messiah himself was born under God’s perfect will and guidelines.

    Modern DNA testing of Jews confirm who they are and have always been.

    blessings
    marianne

  32. I’m not going to get into specifics of what the bible says, but more of what I know. Has anyone ever heard of Ethiopia a country in Africa; well, as in today they still practice a mix of what they call Judaic Christianity; of mix of the both. Anyhow, in one of their churches, a 6th century church; so really freaking old; where they still give baptisms, it sits high on a mountain. Well the Romans (which, I feel were very light-skinned) The nine saints came to Ethiopia from the eastern Roman Empire after they were driven from their homes during a dispute between two wings of Christianity. With them they brought not only religion, but philosophy, literature and a more refined, sophisticated style of painting influenced by European art. They painted pictures of themselves on the ceiling of that church of lighter colored and than when they were telling stories in picture form on the other walls, they painted Jesus and Mary of copper brownish red skin?
    My point is Ethiopia became a christian country in 4th century AD; so still very fresh of the time of jesus; not how it is of today where the paintings of jesus depicted of him became lighter skinned, blued eyes etc. If you look at older pictures of him dating way back then, they go from darker than his color gets lighter and lighter as centuries past because color of one’s skin started to become an issue to people. No one cared back then the days of the bible; what color your skin was, I just wish it was like that today.

  33. Hi Netta,

    I definitely agree that Jesus was not a white European. He did most likely have that copper toned look, which is so typical of what you see in middle eastern people today. after all, that is where he was from, and would have reflected the body type and skin tone of that culture. I just do not believe he had a “nubian” or very black appearance, like what is a popular notion today. He had what I would call a really nice suntan.

    blessings
    marianne

  34. you are not to paint images of what u think is in heaven! but for some reason anything dealing with blacks people try and immediately discredit it! as far as images i see nothing but white images of jesus having this long stringy hair with blue eyes, but i can see why someone would believe that jesus was of african descent or race because the only culture of people on this earth that have hair like wool like the bible describes jesus is an african and it also explains the features of his feet but never gives facial features! some say it does not matter but if it didnt matter why is it written in the book then! The african is the man that god most likely created first and by way of him every other skin colored followed show me another race of people that can produce every skin tone! THE african can produce even a white child thats were u get an albino child just like caucasian’s which is actually considered as a recessive gene with no pigmentation but no other race can conceive a child that will come out dark skin like africans. And he was jewish you also have a lost tribe of jews that are dark like sudanese people and look just like africans for instance the boxer zab judah he just looks like an african american but he is jewish, but israelis refuse to recognize them READ ABOUT IT! JESUS HAD NO SPECIFIC BLOOD OF A CERTAIN RACE HE HAD THE BLOOD OF GOD WHO CREATED A WORLD WITH RIGHTGEOUSNESS AND NOT TO PERSONALLY CATOR TO A CERTAIN CULTURE! NO DISRESPECT TO THE WORD OF GOD BUT IF GOD GRANTED ME THE RIGHT TO PAINT A PICTURE I WOULD HAVE TO SAY HE LOOK LIKE A ROUGH KINKY HAIRED DARK SKINNED BEAT UP HANDED MAN, (BEING HE WAS A CARPENTER) THAT PEOPLE LOOKED AT AND LAUGHED LIKE “YOUR THE SON OF MAN YEA RIGHT” Not this pretty picture of some long haired blue eyed model guy the bible say that SATAN WAS THE ATTRACTIVE ONE so the righteousness of god by way of christ ment that he was a terrible homeless looking nappy headed man with feet like burning coal (black) his eyes were like of bronze or fire not blue so dont call into question about what blacks believe because the theory of him being black is much more theasable than the images that whites portray! So keep listening to your scholars because the bible say god is going to turn the knowledge of those on earth scholars scientist etc…. into an understanding of nothing!

  35. Dear Eric,

    I appreciate your comments. My goal here was not to prove that Jesus was pure European white. But there is no proof that he was black either.

    Taking the “hair like wool” as proof he was black is out of context from the bible. His eyes were also like flames of fire, but that is just realistic to think he looked like that on earth. His feet were like brass also, but I doubt he had feet made of brass metal when he was here. This is his glorified state, not his human appearance.

    Rev 1:14 His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire;

    Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

    Jesus was Jewish, not African. Those from Africa who claim to be Jewish are required to convert to Judaism, if they come to Israel, because their race is questioned. Most likely, the Ethiopian Jews are black because of intermarriage with Africans.

    blessings
    marianne

  36. TO everyone on race David’s appearance is not known in great detail, however we do know that he was described as handsome, had red hair (i.e. “ruddy”), and was relatively short in stature (1 Samuel 16:12, 17:42).

    Ok so maybe Jesus is Irish………

    I really suggest anyone having problems with race do a DNA test at
    http://www.familytreedna.com/

    I am of German decent and after doing my family tree I decided to dig deeper
    so I did the DNA test and come to find out my haplogroup is *J and have ancestry that are jewish.

    Has it ever occured that the Gentiles are Israelites and have lost their Identity ?
    Google it or go here–>http://www.seekingthetruth.israelinet.org/articles/lost%20tribes%201.htm

    I have gone astray like a lost sheep, seek thy servant, for I do not forget thy commandments.
    Psalm 119:175-176My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
    Jeremiah 50:5-7
    But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    Matthew 10:5-7
    But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    Matthew 15:23-25

    Israel lost her name through divorce. She will be called by a “New Name”.
    thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
    Isaiah 62:1-3

    Seek and you shall find…. You might not be who you think you are….You do now Christ as his own by coincidence

    My sheep hear my voice they come when I call

  37. Hi Blair,
    True, we need to worry about being his sheep, and not worry about race. This post was just to make people think about rumors that have started, making Jesus black, just because they want him black. This is as foolish as making him green, or white, or yellow, just because we want him that color.

    blessings
    marianne

  38. wouldn’t it be amazingly startling to find out that on judgement day, that that jesus was actually as black as tar?

  39. Hi lisa,

    Yes, it would be amazing, because then he would not be Jewish, as the bible states. But race should not matter. Jesus is Jesus, and he is here for all of us.

    The “wool” reasoning people use, to imagine him as black, is a direct misread of the original text.

    Rev 1:14 His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire;

    It is talking about his hair being “white as snow, and white as wool.” It is very clear that this has nothing to do with skin color, but the color of the hair.

    blessings
    marianne

  40. Daniel 7:9 “I beheld till the thrones were cast down and the ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow and the hair of his head like pure wool”

    According to Genesis 9:19 and the Table of Nations in Genesis 10, all mankind is descended from the three sons of Noah: Shem, Ham and Japheth. (For some strange reason, Noah’s sons are always listed in that order although Genesis 10:21 says Japheth was Shem’s older brother. Normally in the Bible sons are listed in chronological order.)

    The descendants of Japheth settled in Anatolia, modern Turkey, and from there moved into the Caucasus mountains of Western Russia and from there settled Europe and Russia. They are the ancestors of the Caucasian peoples. Their main impact on Israel was through the Persians, the Greeks and the Romans.

    Ham’s descendants became the various black peoples who settled the African continent and parts of the Arabian peninsula. His sons were Cush, whose descendants settled in Ethiopia, Mizraim, whose descendants settled in Egypt, Put, whose descendants settled in Libya, and Canaan, whose descendants settled in Palestine and founded the cities of Sidon, Tyre and Carthage and, among others, were the ancestors of the Phoenicians.

    Collectively, in ancient times the descendants of Cush formed a large ethnic group and were the main populace of the Cushite Empire, which extended from present-day western Libya to Ethiopia and Nubia, south of Egypt, all of present-day Egypt, and the Arabian peninsula into the mountains of Turkey. They spoke a variety of languages and had skin pigmentation ranging from dark black to medium brown.

    One of Cush’s sons was Nimrod, founder of Babylon, Akkad, Assyria and Nineveh, several of early mankind’s most powerful nations and cities. Their languages are generally referred to as belonging to the Western Semitic group, although they actually are Hamitic.

    Mizraim’s descendants became the Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, and Casluhim [Philistines]. According to the Jewish-Roman historian Flavius Josephus, most of these peoples were destroyed in the Ethiopic Wars.

    Shem’s descendants became the Semitic peoples who settled parts of the Arabian Peninsula, including what is now Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, Israel, and Lebanon. They were of a generally medium-brown complexion with facial features roughly mid-way between typical negro and typical Caucasian and the languages they spoke included Arabic, Hebrew, and Aramaic, Jesus’ native language.

    It is important to realize that in Old Testament times Egyptians were black, not Arab. Arabs first conquered Egypt when Moslems invaded Egypt shortly after the death of Mohammed.

    plus, if you feel that it doesn’t matter what skin tone jesus was, than why have this discussion?

    well where you wrote (marianne) “white as snow, and white as wool, you say it doesn’t talk about his skin color, well, because in those times it didn’t matter and people just knew; like how obvious it is for someone to describe him his hair is white as wool; than you should be able to picture the rest of him. When I write this, “his hair was as white as the strings on a harp.” You would automatically picture someone with white long straight hair.

  41. If you guys want to go here http://members.tripod.com/jrmoore1958/popes.html
    http://members.tripod.com/jrmoore1958/jesus.html

    gives the quotes from the bible so you can do your research. It has facts. Makes sense. What about the one drop rule that we have in America today, you are black if you have african ancestry and it is obvious that jesus does, regardless, of knowing what he looks like; because you can trace his background, family.

  42. Dear Netta,

    I wrote this post, not to prove that Jesus was white, but to show that declaring him black is just as foolish. The only very early group that was black was the Nubian. Egyptians drew pictures of themselves and everyone else they encountered. Look at the pictures provided. Everyone in the middle east and east were all copper toned or lighter.

    The man who wrote that link was deliberating re-writing history to suit himself. That is misrepresentation. He is very bold to declare people are black when he posts a picture of a white man. He makes a lot of false claims, and is leading people down a crazy path of untruth. Just forget what he says. So black people made black statues. So what? This is all propaganda.

    blessings
    marianne

  43. “I wrote about this because some people are having the fantasy that Jesus was really black” The only one who is having a fantasy is you Marianne. Jesus did have African or black blood in him. Being that nobody knows or can agree who his father is we only have his mother Mary to go by. If Mary was a cousin of John the Baptist mother who was a levite, then Mary would have had to been a levite. As you know, Moses and his brother Aaron were levites. Both of them took African women for wives. Aaron’s grandson was Phinehas which means Nubian. Keep in mind a “mixed multitude” left Egypt. There is a good book called “The Bible Myth: The African Origins of the Jewish People” by Gary Greenberg. He was a president of the Biblical Archaeology Society of New York and a member of the American Research Center in Egypt. He shows that the first Israelites (Isis = RA = Elohim) were native Egyptians. Are you even familiar with the Lemba tribe in SOUTHERN AFRICA? They have a oral tradition that they were led out of Judea by a man named Buba. They were forced to leave because of the Roman-Jewish War in 66 A.D. (see The Jewish War by Josephus). This was proven by a geneticist named Dr. David Goldstein of the Laboratory of Evolutionary Genetics, University College, London (see NOVA documentary “Lost Tribes of Israel” by Tudor Parfitt) At best Jesus was AFRO-ASIAN. It is funny how so-many people say Jesus was Jewish. But during that time lineage was only traced through the birth of the father (see Numbers 1: 2,18). Jesus could have ONLY been Jewish through his adoptive father Joseph. The name Mary it self is an Egyptian name. If you dont believe me then look in to it. But i will say this, it is possible that Jesus earthly (biological) father was a Roman soldier named Panthera (see Celsus book called The True Doctrine and the Talmud). Also, have you seen any of the art in the Catacombs of Rome? One of the oldest paintings known as frescoes was dated back to 300 A.D. This would be over 1,000 years before Michelangelo’s paintings of Christ. Some of these frescoes show a black Christ. What about all the Black Madonna and child statues all through Europe? When are WE going to have a historically accurate portrayal of Jesus? Instead of relying on exclusively the Bible. There is so much more I could comment on but I think this is enough for now.

  44. Mel,

    I welcome all view points here, but I do not have to agree with them. Michaelangelo never met Jesus. Neither did the people who made the black statues. I have seen pictures of Jesus as Chinese. That does not make him Chinese. that is just how the artist personalizes his art. Michaelangelo’s Pieta shows a white Mary and Jesus. His statue of David, an ancestor of Jesus, is also of a white man.

    You have not even looked at the pictures I presented. The entire region is not black, so that Jesus being black is inevitable.

    only Moses had a black wife, and Aaron and Miriam got chastised by God for rejecting Moses for this. This was because they were NOT black, they were Jews, and according to custom, did not marry outside their race. If they objected to Moses having a black wife, then it means they were not black themselves, and neither was Moses. There were 22,000 Levites, and none of them were black. They were Jewish. Mary is not a descendant of either Aaron or Moses, anyhow. She is from the tribe of Judah (genealogy Luke 3)

    I am not accepting of the foolish speculation of scientists who contradict scripture. If you want to know the biblical view, you look there, not to some modern theorist, who has no clue or proof whether he is right or not. Jesus was not of the “lost tribes” He was from the tribe of Judah, which had nothing to do with Africans.

    Saying that the biological father of Jesus is a Roman soldier is a heresy started by unbelieving Jews later, when they did not want to be blamed for the crucifixion, and needed to justify the act.

    Saying that Mary is an Egyptian name is silly. There are name equivalents around the world for the same word. Mary is English for Miriam, which means water.

    blessings
    marianne

  45. Actually I have look at the pictures, they mean nothing. During those times we (Africans, Blacks, Negroes, ect.) were in those regions as well. The pictures that you presented with the exception of a few were modern or contemporary images. People of all cultures migrate from one place to another due to famine, wars, and cataclysms. THOSE PICTURES OF ARABS, TURKS, SO-CALLED JEWS, AND EUROPEANS ARE NOTHING BUT DESCENDANTS OF INVADERS! And as for Mary being a descendant of the tribe of Judah is irrelevant. This has always been the problem with the bible because you can’t quote it entirely as truth. I am well aware of what is says in the bible about Jesus so-called genealogy in Luke. The problem is, it’s Joseph’s genealogy not Mary’s (Luke 3:23). But if you look at Luke 1:36 it clearly states that Elisabeth is her cousin. And in Luke 1:5 Elisabeth was a descendant of Aaron. And far as me mentioning the statues (Black Madonna and child) and Roman catacomb paintings, was to illustrate a point that people in Europe (Whites) at one time considered Christ Black. I will send you a example. But it probably wouldn’t do you any good. Because anything outside or “contradict” the bible you won’t believe it. and having said that, is pure ignorance on your part.

    Mel

  46. Being black is not a skin color, as you already know black has different skin tones. Being Black means having african heritage/acenstry, which, Jesus obviously does because you can trace it from his mother’s side!

    -Marianne, of course Moses was dark-skinned. Moses is told to put his hand into his bosom and when he takes it back out, it is LEPROUS (white) as snow. If Moses was already white-skinned, what would have been the miracle in turning his hand white? But, since Moses and the rest of the Hebrews were a Black skinned people, this would have been a very powerful miracle, to turn his hand (skin) the opposite colour to the rest of his flesh.
    Moses put his hand back into his bosom, and it turned as his other flesh, meaning that the rest of his body (skin) was other than white or the opposite of white, which is Black, the original colour. Clearly it could not mean from white to white. Also in Leviticus 13 and 14 God discusses the plague of leprosy when a man turns white in the skin and in verse 30 the Bible also speaks of the hair turning yellow, so according to King James, white skin and yellow hair denote a plague.

    Also, black people didn’t make those statues of madonna and baby jesus statues they were made in Europe there are about 500 of those statues that even a pope prayed to. Plus there were black popes but I feel that you would never believe in that either.

    I just can’t get over the fact, that you say jesus skin color doesn’t matter than why are you trying to prove us wrong? Because, truth does matter it matters to everyone. I’m not saying you’re wrong or that i’m right but I am looking at the facts.

    Leviticus 13:2 states: “When a man shall have in the skin of his flesh a rising, a scab, or bright spot and it be in the skin of his flesh like the plague of leprosy. Then he shall be brought to Aaron, the priest, or to one of the sons of the priest”.

    Verse 4: If the bright spot be WHITE in the skin of his flesh, the priest shall shut up him that has the plague seven days.

    tell me what are those verses about?

  47. Dear Netta,

    I talk about the skin color of Jesus because it is definitely important to black people, not to me. Jesus was not black. Neither was Moses.

    If “white” is defined by the white in leprosy, which is a disease, then there are NO white people on this earth right now, and never have been. Because Leprous White is snow white, and there is no such normal skin color. To be THAT white is to be dead. That is why leprosy was a disease.

    Even who you call “white people” have a little pink-yellow-brown to their skins. This is a natural tone. The Jews had the skin color you see today of the people of the middle east. They have been there for 2000 years, and their skin color has not changed. That is the skin color Jesus had.

    All these false claims that Jesus was black is a huge fantasy generated by some black people to make themselves feel better, sell books and pictures, and make some money off the gullible public. It is total delusion, and makes people look foolish when they believe fantasies like this. I am trying to get people to go back to normal thinking.

    blessings
    marianne

  48. What about Solomon being the son of David. Solomon was black, he even said it himself Solomon said “I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

    6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother’s children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

    (Song of Solomon 1:5-6)

  49. lets say jesus was nor white as a pale white person or black as the blackest black person but the color of an egyptian brown like the crayon if you may? I feel that Jesus obviously had African heritage which does make him black, doesn’t matter the hue of his skin. Do you doubt that he had african heritage?

    • Netta, I feel that Jesus obviously had African heritage which does make him black, doesn’t matter the hue of his skin. Do you doubt that he had african heritage?
      Making the statement that being African makes him Black is a very incorrect statement!!
      We all know that there are many Africans that are White! Being born in Africa makes one African!
      regards,
      Chris

  50. Hi Netta,

    The verse you quote from the Song of Solomon was spoken by the Shulamite maiden, who was in love with the king.

    Look closely, this is a female speaking. She was a black girl in the court of Solomon. If this were Solomon speaking, he would not be talking about a man kissing him!!

    Sgs 1:2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love [is] better than wine.

    Sgs 1:4 Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee.

    Sgs 1:5 I [am] black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

    Jesus was Jewish and from the land of Israel. His family only escaped to Egypt, for a few short years, to save his life as a baby from king Herod. They then returned home when it was safe. They were not from Africa.

    None of the Jews were from there. The Jews were descendants of Shem, who settled in the middle east. The Africans were descendants of Ham who settled in Africa. The Europeans were descendants of Japeth. These are 3 different lineages.

    The Jews had spent time in Egypt as slaves, but they still remained Jews, and did not marry outside their race, for religious reasons. So there was no intermarriage between them and the Africans.

    The one exception was Moses, after his first wife died. He married a black woman, but did not have any children by her. They were both too old by then. The others gave him a bad time about it also, since it broke their customs.

    blessings
    marianne

  51. You missed my point on the whole leprosy issue. What i’m saying is this, moses had to be dark skinned; because leprosy showed up white on his darker skin color; which obviously freaked him out; because it wasn’t his natural skin color. When god took away the leprosy the white patch, he knew it was a miracle.

  52. netta,

    You missed my point also.

    I am a white person, and a leprosy spot would show up on me too.!!!!

    here is a photo of a young white boy with leprosy:
    http://www.artandmedicine.com/wood/images/Leprosy.jpg

    so you do not have to black to have the white spots be obvious on your body.

    blessings
    marianne

    • That look like ventilligo how ever you spell it. I grew up with to girls who had it and they wern’t freaked out.it looked just like that only difference is they were darker and the spots on them actually made them look part white and part black.

  53. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Middle_East_Shem-Ham.jpg
    look at this map and now read the whole genesis. Especially where god created man in his image.

    Shem and Japeth were brothers (son’s of Noah). So no seperate lineage there.

    Plus how can 2 people give birth to 3 children with 3 different races. Can not be done maybe give birth to kids with different skin tones. Noah and his wife give birth to Shem, Ham and Japeth.

    How come the Canaanites were not black ‘referring to what you wrote up top? I am not referring to skin color once again. Today, israel, is referred to the land of Canaan and Canaan is one of Ham’s sons. The land of Ham, is Egypt, thus, Egypt is in Africa.

    Plus, when Joseph had to hide his baby son jesus, when they escaped to Egypt, because King Herod wanted to kill him. How would that be possible, unless, he looked just like them? If you don’t want to stand out or be seen do you go where people look like you or complete opposite?

    if you read amos 9:7 it says, Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?

    Even Paul was mistakened, beat up for being so an Egyptian if you read (acts 21:37-39) He told them he was a Jew and started to speak Hebrew. So there are dark-skinned Jewish people.

    Also, remeber the story of moses, well he was obviously born a hebrew, the mother could no longer hide him, when moses was born he looked goodly. (pure and what not) so she put him that raft a Pharoah’s daughter found Moses and for 40 years, Moses, was like a right hand man for the King Of Egypt; why would a Egyptian keep a Hebrew by his side, unless, hebrew could pass for Egyptian, obviously. Read (exodus ch. 2)

  54. In the bible turning your skin white was a form of punishment and a disease. What kind of punishment would it be for instance miriam to light skinned already and than her skin turned white. In the bible it references turning your skin white, into a color, why refer someone already being white as turning their skin white again?

    The answer is, because, there skin wasn’t light skinned at all.

    Paul was a black jewish/hebrew person; obviously. Who lived a life with numerous times people thinking of him as Egyptian.

  55. Dear Netta,

    I hope you are looking for truth, rather than copying make believe arguments from somewhere. You present a lot of irrational arguments.

    There are more “white” people in the world than “black.” so apparently white skin has been around at least as long as black skin.

    It is obvious you have not read the bible. If you had, you would know why Jesus and his family went to Egypt. It had nothing to do with skin color.

    there are 3 groups of people that come from the 3 sons of Noah. The cradle of civilization has been proven to be in the middle east, not Africa. The bible also confirms this. There is no proof that any of the 3 sons were black. Only the Cushites – Nubians – were black.

    There must have been a genetic mutation due to change in environment, that was adaptive to the different environment of Africa. In the same way, sickle cell anemia, although it is a disease, was adaptive against malaria. People;s features can change with environment.

    The Jews and Egyptians both had copper toned skin, so they looked alike. Also the Egyptians did not care if Joseph and Jesus were there. They were not hiding from the Egyptians, only Herod, who wanted to kill the “king of the Jews” so he could keep his throne.

    AMos 9:7 is referring to behavior, not skin color.

    Moses and the Egyptians were both copper colored. Moses had no problem blending in with them. Neither did the other Jews. These people are still this color today. What made him different was that he was circumcised. and that part was covered up.

    LEPROSY – LEPROSY – LEPROSY – LEPROSY – LEPROSY – LEPROSY – was a punishment from god for sin..It is a disease…….not being a white person……i have shown you a picture of a white person with leprosy…..can’t you see the difference between the disease and the normal skin color.????????? LEPROSY is a disease caused by a bacterial infection.

    Moses was kept in the Pharaoh’s house because his daughter found Moses in the river and claimed him as her own. So Moses was an adopted son, with full privileges of the court. The Pharaoh was copper toned, not black.

    Where are you getting all these irrational arguments? Stop looking on the internet for propaganda. Read the bible.

    blessings
    marianne

    • Dear Marianne.
      I utterly disagree with almost everything you wrote. The Middle East is the craddle of civilization???? The Egyptians being cooper toned???? The bible being a credible source of history??? Let me break it down for you- It has been proven that the very first form of writing was developed in Egypt not in Mesopotamia as we once had believed earlier. You want proof? The History Channel did a special on the Scorpion King around 4 years ago. He developed the world’s first empire. Professor Günther Dreyer of the German Archaeological Institute found hieroglyphics which predate other known forms of writing by at least 200 years.Writing first developed in Egypt, rather than in Mesopotamia as previously thought. So Africa is the craddle of civilization because w/out a form of writing, you don’t have a civilization. Secondly, the Eggyptians were Negroes. It’s a fact that has been proven scientifically, historically, and culturally. Don’t take up the out-dated habbit of Egyptologists to describe Ancient Egyptians by the pictures on their tombs. Those Egyptologists didn’t understand why the Egyptians used the red dye found in the land to depict themselves, so they automatically assumed that the Egyptians were tanned Greeks. In actuality, the egyptians used this reddish dye which was native to the land, to distinguish themselves from all other nations regardless of the race and the skin color of those nations. It is a common practice of many other African tribes to use different color dyes native to the land to depict themselves. Did you know that there are tombs and pyramids in Sudan (a place where black people (Christians) have indisputably always lived, even to this day) that have pictures of the locals colored with red dye too? Modern-day academicians have already established the fact that Ancient Egyptians were Negroes. Today’s Egyptian population consists of Arabs, Turks and Negroes. The Arabs and Turks came in after the Arab and Turkish conquests of Northern Africa, respectively. Go to Egypt yourself and see like I did. Thirdly, the bible is NOT a credible historical source. I’m not going to get into all of the historical inaccuracies of the bible, but I will delve a little into the origins of the ancient Israelites. There is no historical or archaelogical evidence to support the biblical claim of a Semetic origin of the Israelites. There is, however, historical, archaeological and cultural evidence to point to an Egyptian origin of the Hebrews (By the way Egypt was the first nation to have monotheism as a state religion in the world). One supporting views of this beleif is that for the “400” years the nation of “semeitc” Jews were in Egypt there was no mention of them in any texts. And this is given the “fact” that one of their patriarchs was the Egyptian Prime Minister. There was, however, mention in Egyptian texts of an “Exodus” of Egyptian monotheists into Canaan around the time of the suspected “Jewish” exodus. This is of course not a complete explanation of my argument. You can read more about this at http://www.bibleandhistory.com and other more credible sources of history.
      God bless.

    • Have you considered that the reason there are more white people is because white people invade lands destroy people history and wage world wide wars on other races? Are you aware and truthful enough to admit that?They conquer and murder.They brought disease to the native Americans who fed them. So maybe theres a reason for that. 400 years of slavery,raping,and hanging people of color. They depopulate.

      Has that ever crossed your mind.If not it should.

  56. See, once again when I say Black, I do not mean black like the crayon color. I am using black as a reference as having African Ancestry; because you are what you are, if you have African ancestry than you are black.

    I did write that in my response that Jesus and his family hid in Egypt because of King Herod wanted to kill jesus and any new sons being borned; because he heard of a king of judah was going to be born and he didn’t want to take any chance!

    They hid in Egypt, because anywhere else they would be found out.

    Plus, I read the bible and gave you the scriptures to read yourself. The king of Egypt despised anyone who was Hebrew and if had really knew that Moses was Hebrew he would have been killed as well! Moses got upset when one of the Egyptians had killed a Hebrew one of his own; and in turn ended up killing that Egyptian. So he ended up fleeing Egypt.

    Moses, Paul could all blend in as Egyptians because they all looked a like and you can’t deny that; because, I gave you the scriptures. Nubian yes means black and their skin is of course coal/tarrish color, even chocolate color.

    But I am also, Black but not close to tar maybe lighter than a brown crayon with red undertones in my skin. Same as the bible egyptians, same as the bible hebrews the original jewish people.

    Have you researched the Moors, you’ll find them very interesting.
    Did you not look at that map?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Middle_East_Shem-Ham.jpg

    If you read Genesis god said he created man in the image of himself, he talks about Havilah, where Garden of Eden is located and what not in that area, do you see where Havilah is?

    In Gen 2:13 even speaks about Ethiopia; life obviously started in Africa.

    See my problem with you is that our definitions of black are 2 different things, my definition is the same as all black people in this world. You are saying Jesus wasn’t black; because he wasn’t from the Nubian people. I am saying Jesus was black because he has African ancestry.

    The Ancient Greek historian Herodotus, who visited Egypt in the 5th century B.C.E., saw the Egyptians face to face and described them as black-skinned with woolly hair. That’s not made up look that up.

    Aristotle – “Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians”.

    Lycinus – “this (Egyptian) boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin”

    Ammiuanus Marcellinus “…the men of Egypt are mostly brown or black with a skinny desiccated look.”

    Aristotle – “Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy legged? Is it because of that the body of itself creates, because of
    disturbance by heat, like loss of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations…”

    A lot of the light skinned Egyptians today are mixed due to the Greco and Roman rule “take over of egypt” So please don’t forget the majority of Jews today are not the indigenous Jews of the Yesterdays.

    If the Acient Egyptians and the Israelites of the bible back then were in a line up, without even speaking to them and if you had to place a race on them, in the line, label them black, white etc. Which one would you pick?

    I am not looking on the net for propaganda! I have read the bible and I know what I know because of history and my ancestors and the untold history, the left out stuff; like the Moors.

  57. Dear Netta,

    You do not understand what you are reading. One example is you thought Solomon was black, but it was really a female in love with the king in a love song.

    Al historians agree that the cradle of civilization was Mesopotamia, NOT Africa. The verse from Genesis also mentions 3 other rivers, coming out of Eden and where they reached. The ORIGIN is Eden, the destination is not Eden. They all originated what is close to what is now northern Lebanon/ Turkish border.

    Gen 2:11 The name of the first [is] Pison: that [is] it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where [there is] gold;

    Gen 2:13 And the name of the second river [is] Gihon: the same [is] it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

    Gen 2:14 And the name of the third river [is] Hiddekel: that [is] it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river [is] Euphrates

    You are just picking out what you want and leaving the rest. This is called selective reading, and it is not accurate. The Gihon river ended in Ethiopia. But that does not make Ethiopia the garden of Eden. Other scriptures refer to the trees of Lebanon being in Eden.

    The ancient Israelites, via Abraham, were from Ur, in Chaldea, which is ancient Syria- Iraq region. Abraham never went to Ethiopia. He had one wife from his own clan, and started his offspring with someone of his own race and family.

    He moved from Ur to Canaan, but was told NOT to allow his family to marry anyone from there. All the Jews came from him, and his relatives back home in Ur. None of them were Canaanites,except Esau who disobeyed, and got cut off from the inheritance. Isaac had a wife from his tribe, and not from the Canaanites. In fact, once the Israelites entered the land the second time, they were told to kill all inhabitants off that lived there, because they were evil. The Jews are basically assyrians who converted away from paganism and to Yahweh. They are NOT descendents of Ham.

    You are confusing the creation story with the beginning of the Jewish race. This is not right. You need to get a reference book that will help you understand the bible, since you are unable to interpret what is there. God had cursed the Canaanites as unfit for anything holy like a Messiah. The lineage of Jesus had to be pure.

    Jesus was Jewish.. He was NOT from Ethiopia. He was NOT from Africa. Jesus was not black. The ancient Egyptians were not black either, although it does not matter, since Jesus was NOT Egyptian.

    Egypt was essentially under Roman rule in the years: 30 BC to AD 639 (time of Christ). Romans were not black either.

    blessings
    marianne

  58. I am not reading selectively. You didn’t even bring up havilah at all. What I was trying to show you was that the garden of Eden I feel is located in Africa, where god first created men, of course, jesus had African in him.

    Like I said, was that my desciption of black and yours is totally different obviously. If we all could travel back to time, we would see that the people of Israel, Egypt, and of course Africa, looked like black people that we see in America today, rather it’s a ligther skin toned black person or a darker shade or in between, of what Jesus was.

    Noah can not make 3 different races out of 1 wife, it’s impossible. His 3 sons, had to look alike; point blank! If you look up the tribe of Lemba, who are located in Asia, western border of India; they have been proven to be one of the lost tribes of Israel and their skin color has not been changed!
    They have that special Y Chromosome, well the male do! Plus they are Jewish, because that is what their ancestors taught them and that is what they do today, they even kill their cows with a special knife and they do not even eat pork.

    But the tribe of Lemba aren’t African they are Asian, just because of where they were born. Their family had to leave, due to persecution and they fled obviously, their natural state.

    The only thing we agree on is that the jesus depicted today, is not the jesus that was obviously back then.

    Plus obviously you know nothing about Abraham or you obviously left it out (selectively left it out) but his original wife sarai could not bare any children.

    Read Genesis ch 16-ch 20 even further, that Hagar was Abraham’s 2nd wife as well and gave birth to ishamel and than he had his other son isaac about 14 years later.

    But anywho, I will leave you with this, I believe that all people are descendants of Adam and Eve. In addition, all people are descended from Noah and his three sons. This means that every so-called racial group is related in some way, and we all share common ancestors. That is why, no matter what skin color people possess, they can intermarry and give birth to healthy, beautiful children. That is also why people the world over share many common diseases and genetic abnormalities.

    Since we are all descended from Adam and Eve and Noah, and over seventy percent of humanity has black or dark brown hair, it would be wise to conclude that Adam, Eve and Noah did not have blond or red hair. Like black hair – which is a dominant genetic trait – skin color is a function of who one´s ancestors were too. However, the human biological characteristic that allows skin to lighten or darken depending on where one lives and how much sun exposure is received also plays a part in our skin color over time.

  59. I did not say that the garden of eden was in ethiopia but that I feel that it is located in the land of Africa somewhere.

    • Netta

      Both biblical and archeological evidence point out that the Garden of Eden was in the middle east in the region of assyria.

      Sarai had Isaac, the ancestor of Jacob, also called Israel, and his 12 sons. This is the heritage of the Jews. Hagar had nothing to do with Jewish ancestry. Ishmael is the ancestor of some of the arabs.

      Environment affects gene expression. We did not all start out black and then rapidly turn white. Genes for skin color are multiple and only one is expression, usually. We can all be black, white, yellow, depending on which gene is expressed. Apparently, once the black gene expressed itself, it continued being expressed. When only certain tribes moved to Africa after the flood, the environment stimulated the black gene to be expressed.

      You see black color in only some Jews because of intermarriage, not because the Jews were black to begin with.

      Blacks are a minority, only representing about 12-13% of the world population. Once the back gene expresses, it remains dominant. So, if blacks were everyone’s ancestors, everyone in the world would be black.

      blessings
      marianne

    • Hi Netta

      There is a place in the middle east that was called Ethiopia because there descendants inhabited it. For example they say the garden of eden was in IRAQ ancient Babylon. Who ruled Babylon. Nimrod. Nimrod father is CUSH. Cush is Ethiopia.

      Hope that helped,maybe you already knew that.

  60. lmao for someone who doesn’t care about race, you sure are making it out to be that black people are less. First off, I didn’t say that we started off black. Lets say “cavemen” if the cavemen from the Africa, India, Asia, Mexico regions of the world lived there, of course, they would have darker skin because of being closer to the equator “the sun”. Those that lived up north were of lighter skin-pale skin. Proven even today, if a white person doesn’t get any sun, what happens to them, they become paler.

    Everyone would still be black in this world if everyone kept having sex with black but everyone intergrated. First off, you’re full of crap to say that anyone with darker skin that appear to be black or is black is because of intermarriage wrong!

    The people in Ethiopia another lost tribe are Jewish, the tribe in Lemba in Asia that appear to be black in appearance are Jewish, so please explain this? They have been like that forever as in Jewish. Of course, black is a minority (darker skin)race Now that is, because back then there were no races, if you would like to go there, the white people invented that, to put everyone in categories of black or white. If you were to goto Europe, you wouldn’t say hey you’re a black french guy? No, they would all be called French!

    All, I have to say is this, if jesus were alive today he would look more like me than he would look like that of you.

    Jesus was a dark-skinned Jewish man and that is that.

    You don’t know anything about genetics for the fact, that you are basing todays statistics for back then. The truth is that, black people come in different various colors, even look white but are still black.

    You have your description and I have mine. Everyone is related to Adam and Eve, everyone is related to Noah and Shem, Ham, and Japeth!

    Jesus had dark skin and that is a fact! It was shameful to have long hair back then! Jeeze, you sound so ignorant (just got done reading your last sentence.)

    Never said blacks were everyone’s ancestors but I am sure that the first people on this earth had dark-skin that doesn’t make you black. Asians, indians, mexicans etc, have dark skin, including Africans have dark skin.

    I told you about the tribe of lemba and the jewish people in Ethiopia, I guess you don’t want to read up on the them either! Because how dare, there be a black really dark skinned jewish person!

    The jewish people do not look like the jewish people of long time ago, because they are just jewish converts!

    If a “white” french person has sex with a black person and impregnates that black person, wouldn’t that child be lighter? That is exactly why it is the way it is today. Eventually, everyone will be of carmel skin color just because of this but oh well, because it is life.

    You should get a genectics DNA test and you’ll have your answers!

    I am surprised that you claim to be a Christian because you are far from it; why would you make this site for? You only did it so that you can shove your beliefs on skin color/race onto someone else.

    Now being that you feel that the jesus depicted today is the wrong jesus. How about you go into a KKK chat room and tell them and try to convince them; because it isn’t me that needs convincing.

    Would you say that you’re related to Adam and Eve? Well of course right? Well so am I; so everyone in this world is related some shape or form! Even by Noah, regardless of their skin tone!

    • netta

      You have circular thinking, and argue about facts already established.

      The “Jesus was black” story is just a myth.

      genesis – garden of eden – starting in africa is a myth.

      jews were not black, unless they intermarried with blacks.

      I suggest you contact a local university and discuss this with a genetics professor.

      I also suggest that you contact a local rabbi and convince him that Jews were black 2000 years ago.

      marianne

  61. You can have any thoughts of what skin color jesus was, as will I. I am not going to argue with a Rabbi about the skin color of jesus; because obviously people are in shock to even realize that Jesus is dark-skinned. Jewish, is a race itself, even an ethnic group. You can not categorize a jew as being black or white.

    What I was getting at is that they had dark skin point blank. That is a fact. Most of the Jewish people that live in Israel today, their ancestors were converted, (meaning they aren’t jewish because their father was jewish) point blank; look it up.

    Sure there were black (dark-skinned) Jewish people 2000 years ago. You have the Tribe of Lemba they have been Jewish longer than that and the tribe of andaman are also Jewish and carry that special Y-chromosome. They too have been practicing the Jewish faith longer than 2000 years.

    So please already don’t tell me there were no black jewish people from back then; because that is the proof.

    Well, I’m glad that you know everything; and that it’s possible for Noah to create different races from the same wife. (your opinion not mine.) If you goto http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331949,00.html

    Also, the people on andaman islands, they have been that same color since the ice age.

    Plus, I still feel like you’re a bigot, even, my white fiance, says you’re crazy. Yes, I did say white, what do you know i’m not racist.

    If jesus’s skin color was not a problem; than everyone, every church should depict him as having darker-skin, shorter hair but you know what, once everyone did that. There would be A LOT of problems, so don’t tell me there would not be.

    This big debate has been fun, quite entertaining but i’m so sick of it; because, there’s no reason of it. I could see if you started this blog for a whole different reason but you started off saying, he was not black. Come on, what kind of rise did you think you would get out of people?

    The title could have been, “What Did Jesus Look Like?” or what do you think he looked like?

    But anyone who felt or believed he was black; you tried your best to tear them down with non-facts. So that is why you did this blog for the wrong reasons. So you can’t be Christian, if you are trying to say someone is wrong about their beliefs, no matter what that belief is of.

    I guess if you were to talk to the tribe of dogon; who believe we were sent here by aliens, since, they have really old drawings on their walls. You would read to them the bible and say here, this is how life started but who are you tell someone that?

    • Dear Netta,

      According to your theory, there are now more white converts to Judaism, than the original number of black Jews.

      To take an isolated tribe of black people, and make the entire nation of Jews black – all the way back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob – seems a bit unreasonable.

      It is more likely they are Jewish because of conversion, or intermarriage. Most modern Jews can trace their ancestors all the way back to Adam. They keep good genealogy records.

      In the history of the persecution of the Jews, it was very unlikely that any people, especially “white” people, converted to Judaism much at all, so what you see are the real thing. If modern Jews were willing to die for their faith, that says more about them than anything else.

  62. Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

    You can not win a debate with people that need to see Yeshua as Black. Logic and reason do not matter here. Such people must see Him as Black for selfish political reasons. We dance around the truth but will not look at it.

    I too researched this topic and found even more compelling evidence of what you say here. For example, when Mary and Joseph went to Egypt, it was likely Alexandria – which had more Jews living in it than the holy land itself during Herod’s time of power. There are a lot of details to this that I will not go into. These Jews in Egypt lived with the Egyptians that primarily descended from Greek colonists. We have many, many in color pictures of these people. There is even a painting of a Jewish girl making carpets for these Egyptian nobles. And yes, her skin was olive… as you would expect. We even have some writings on papyri that suggests Jews had skin the color of honey. Rabbinical writings from the second century describe Jews as having skin the color of a boxwood tree (this has a golden colored wood).

    I have many more details. But… like I said, reason and logic do not matter to people that let racially charged politics dictate their religious perspectives.

    I talk about some of that here, as well as present my art.

    http://www.thouforsaken.blogspot.com

    PEACE

    • Horseman
      I have bookmarked your blog site. Thank you.

    • Actually you are wrong or lying. One of the two maybe both. The histories of Herod which he wrote states That the Egyptians during his time were Dark skinned with woolly hair.

      What did you read that was so compelling because it lied.SMH

      Heres my proof that you are lying and afterwards I will visit your blog.

      http://old.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Aabo%3Atlg%2C0016%2C001&query=2%3A104%3A2

      CIV. For it is plain to see that the Colchians are Egyptians; and what I say, I myself noted before I heard it from others. When it occurred to me, I inquired of both peoples; and the Colchians remembered the Egyptians better than the Egyptians remembered the Colchians; [2] the Egyptians said that they considered the Colchians part of Sesostris’ army. I myself guessed it, partly because they are dark-skinned and woolly-haired; though that indeed counts for nothing, since other peoples are, too; but my better proof was that the Colchians and Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only nations that have from the first practised circumcision. [3]

      STOP LYING!!!!

  63. Can Jesus speak in different kinds of languages? Either to Western or Eastern people? Jesus is like…he’s powerful and miracle.

  64. About the white collor of his hair, the bible is telling about after his assumpition to heaven, when he was glorified and back to his ancient form. Here in the earth , he was not that cute!!!

  65. Thus saith the Spirit of the Lord, “Who are you to declare my statutes? I AM that I AM. Since you continue to mislead the people and have said what you have said, from this day onward, every thing that you touch will NOT prosper!

  66. Wow, Jesus was Jewish! I really do not think that it matters if he was Light or Dark skinned!
    We all came from Adam and Eve; different colors came from cross breeding and or genetic mutation?
    Or maybe we all became different colors at the destruction of the Tower of Babel when God confounded Language?
    Genesis Chapter 11. http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=11&v=4&t=KJV#comm/9
    I have Black, Brown, White, Red, Yellow brothers and sisters in Christ!

  67. It’s funny how His (pbuh) colour doesn’t matter… because he would have been somewhat ‘browner’ that what is portrayed on TV and in pictures and churches everywhere. Turned away by the Jews, and accepted by the Europeans, Jesus is portrayed as white! Jesus wasn’t sent to Europe, so i highly doubt he was white. I would assume he looks like the people he was brought to (or out of).. however you wanna put it. Tanned. Browner than White. Lighter than Black. either extreme is a ridiculous idea and you’re ridiculous for accepting the media’s persuasion.

    • Dear Doubtful

      If you read the post, you will see that I agree with you about the skin color of Jesus. He was from the middle east, and looked like everyone else there. See the pictures. People have been claiming he was African, with black skin.

      • Oh Marianne, I’m with you on that one! It’s just how people can easily differ and make nonsensical arguments (or redundant ones, like this) but you and I have both used history, geography and.. common sense i think, for this reasonable argument and are therefore in total agreement!

        • Undoubtful,
          I agree, he wasn’t White, he wasn’t African American, Chinese, Japanese or any thing other than Jewish!
          Why he isn’t portrayed as Jewish is beyond me!
          Just a guess, maybe Whites feel more comfortable with him looking White and Blacks feel more comfortable with him as Black?!?! Although, I have never seen an Oriental looking Jesus??
          Exd 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
          This command is constantly broken by many churches!
          Very sad!!

  68. Man has made Christ the image they want in order to serve him. Which is sad. When I think of Christ I see him in the desert, dark, skinny humble and concerned, he didn’t eat much and loved sinners cause these were the ones hurt by the system called Han and given up hope. He said no man is crippled except in the heart and many are crippled. so many have made an image in the bible, internet of what Christ was and is.. He didn’t eat much and he was not good looking, so there is this false Christ who is made in the image of man, But Christ was made in the image of God not man even though he came in the form of man. Now that he is in spirit he is light. Like a star in heaven. his love is beyond what we feel for our children. He has been used for evil purpose by priest who think know him and many have deceived the world.such as greed and revenge and money. In this becomes the anti-Christ. When people speak about the bible of sins and stuff. I say all our sins were written in it. Where does one fit in. In all of it. Our hearts had a natural written law. A child knows this. Children are so much like God. Its the people who know evil that will lead a child astray. Like those in the church. The bible does contradict itself cause man has taken so much out of it. And added so much in it. Who is to say we are walking with the truth. Fasting and prayer is the only way to spend time with God. Like Christ did in the desert.

  69. Brother’s and sister,s in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. May I remind you of what Paul wrote in 1 TIMOTHY 1:4. concerning genealogies. Don’t let the enemy divide us along racial, or in any other ways. That doesn’t not bring about the righteousness of GOD! If we endured to the end, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ promises us a glorified body just like His, fit for eternity.

  70. Forgive my grammatical and punctuation errors on my 07/29/09 posting.

  71. the picture that you have of nubians is false, they are kenyan (massai nomads). eygptian look almost excatly like nubians the range from light to dark both groups , but nubians tend to be slightly darker. I live with them in my neighborhood. I think by you finding a relative darker ethnic group to just prove your point is wrong. stop misleading. find pictures on wikipedia.

    • hi sarah

      I had googled “Nubian” in images and I got this picture somehow. I also was looking for a picture that matched the ancient drawings, which are historically correct.

      Many, today, like to call themselves Nubian for some reason, but they do not match the physical description given by historical records. Those who call themselves Nubian today look Egyptian, probably due to much intermarriage over time with Egyptians, which lightened the resulting skin color.

      The historical records indicate the Nubians were black like charcoal. The very black skin is still prevalent today.

      Since this is a discussion about what Jesus might have looked like 2000 years ago, then pictures of people of ancient times is more appropriate for comparison, rather than a diluted race of today, or a wrong identity taken for personal reasons.

      • CIV. For it is plain to see that the Colchians are Egyptians; and what I say, I myself noted before I heard it from others. When it occurred to me, I inquired of both peoples; and the Colchians remembered the Egyptians better than the Egyptians remembered the Colchians; [2] the Egyptians said that they considered the Colchians part of Sesostris’ army. I myself guessed it, partly because they are dark-skinned and woolly-haired; though that indeed counts for nothing, since other peoples are, too; but my better proof was that the Colchians and Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only nations that have from the first practised circumcision. [3]

        tHE EGYPTIANS WERE DARK SKINNED ACCORDING TO HISTORY OF HEROD WHO LIVED IN THE TIME OF THE ONE YOU CALL JESUS.

        And skin color amongst blacks has noting to do with intermarriage most of the time.

        Beyonce is very light and her parents are not.I am dark but the rest of my family is rather light.

  72. Eh… to be perfect honest, why is it that people argue among themselves over Jesus Christ’s color difference skin ? Gimme break.. Sorry but the truth is.. color skin never matters in first place.. and never was and never will.. Let’s see if anyone can sit under brightest glaring white light and can anyone truly see that bright with a person standing ?? I do not think so.
    Therefore, I must say … it is rather silliest thing to see others argue over Jesus’s height.. and his skin and what day he was born.. and so on… How about saving questions until you see Him.. and request him for the answers to those ?? That will be far better than argue. :) Just a suggestion..
    Lot of love.. and lot of blessing to you all.

    • hi Tamera

      I wrote this post because some people have been insisting that Jesus was black, for personal reasons, i guess so they could accept him better, as one of them.

      I personally do not think one needs to change his color so we can accept him. We accept him for who he is, and because he died for our sins.

      I was trying to show through history and science that this is not true, and that people need to focus on Jesus for who he is, and not what he looks like.

  73. The quest here is ‘Was Jesus black?’
    He is the perfect Lamb of GOD without blemish.
    Know who He is and you won’t ask who he was …
    because He never changes.
    He is the Word of God. And that means Life.

  74. Dear Marianne.
    I utterly disagree with almost everything you wrote. The Middle East is the craddle of civilization???? The Egyptians being cooper toned???? The bible being a credible source of history??? Let me break it down for you- It has been proven that the very first form of writing was developed in Egypt not in Mesopotamia as we once had believed earlier. You want proof? The History Channel did a special on the Scorpion King around 4 years ago. He developed the world’s first empire. Professor Günther Dreyer of the German Archaeological Institute found hieroglyphics which predate other known forms of writing by at least 200 years.Writing first developed in Egypt, rather than in Mesopotamia as previously thought. So Africa is the craddle of civilization because w/out a form of writing, you don’t have a civilization. Secondly, the Eggyptians were Negroes. It’s a fact that has been proven scientifically, historically, and culturally. Don’t take up the out-dated habbit of Egyptologists to describe Ancient Egyptians by the pictures on their tombs. Those Egyptologists didn’t understand why the Egyptians used the red dye found in the land to depict themselves, so they automatically assumed that the Egyptians were tanned Greeks. In actuality, the egyptians used this reddish dye which was native to the land, to distinguish themselves from all other nations regardless of the race and the skin color of those nations. It is a common practice of many other African tribes to use different color dyes native to the land to depict themselves. Did you know that there are tombs and pyramids in Sudan (a place where black people (Christians) have indisputably always lived, even to this day) that have pictures of the locals colored with red dye too? Modern-day academicians have already established the fact that Ancient Egyptians were Negroes. Today’s Egyptian population consists of Arabs, Turks and Negroes. The Arabs and Turks came in after the Arab and Turkish conquests of Northern Africa, respectively. Go to Egypt yourself and see like I did. Thirdly, the bible is NOT a credible historical source. I’m not going to get into all of the historical inaccuracies of the bible, but I will delve a little into the origins of the ancient Israelites. There is no historical or archaelogical evidence to support the biblical claim of a Semetic origin of the Israelites. There is, however, historical, archaeological and cultural evidence to point to an Egyptian origin of the Hebrews (By the way Egypt was the first nation to have monotheism as a state religion in the world). One supporting views of this beleif is that for the “400″ years the nation of “semeitc” Jews were in Egypt there was no mention of them in any texts. And this is given the “fact” that one of their patriarchs was the Egyptian Prime Minister. There was, however, mention in Egyptian texts of an “Exodus” of Egyptian monotheists into Canaan around the time of the suspected “Jewish” exodus. This is of course not a complete explanation of my argument. You can read more about this at http://www.bibleandhistory.com and other more credible sources of history.
    God bless.

    • D

      Your opinion is welcome. It is my position that your sources are incorrect. One lone researcher’s opinion is not backed by any true evidence. The ancient records speak for themselves. Jesus was not black, and neither were the Egyptians. They still aren’t. This speculation is just wishful thinking.

      • The information that I presented to you is not opinion. It has been proven on numerous accounts that the ANCIENT Egyptians were black Africans and that their culture is African. It is widely accepted in the present-day by most, if not all historians that the Ancient Egyptians were black. Your beliefs that the Ancient Egyptians were Europeans or Arabs or some kind of Turkic nation are outdated just like your belief that the Middle East was the “cradle of civilization.” However, historians cannot by simple means prove the race of a man (Jesus) who lived in a very diverse world at the time. Still, based on OBJECTIVE historical and archaeological information we can conclude that Jesus was most likely black. You’re right that everyone is entitled to their opinions. But some opinions are not based upon fact. You should do some more research on Egyptian history.

        • D,

          your one source indicates that Mesopotamian culture occurred first and then spread to Egypt later.

          http://www.archaeology.org/9903/newsbriefs/egypt.html

          Jesus was not an Egyptian anyhow. He was Jewish.

          most timelines in archeology are outrageous. there is no way to prove them.

          • Dear Marianne,
            Sorry I wasn’t able to reply earlier.The source that you provided is actually not the same as the one I had mentioned before. This source simply stated her OPINION as to why in Mesopotamian writing there was a gradual 5000 year development of a phonetic script and in Egypt there was just an abrupt appearance of phonetic script. In actuality it is EXTREMELY unlikely that Mesopotamia influenced Egyptian writing because they are totally different languages and scripts (Mesopotamian- cuneiform, Egyptian- hieroglyphics). If you say that most timelines in archeology are outrageous then it doesn’t make sense having this discussion w/ you. But note that these timelines
            are the same ones used to support your belief that Mesopotamia is the cradle of civilization. So, for now let’s agree the the carbon-dating that modern scientists use to support both of our opinions is objectively correct. According to these findings, Egyptian writing predates Mesopotamian by about 200-300 years. Why hasn’t anyone found a gradual development of Egyptian of writing yet? 2 reasons: First, it’s possible the Egyptians had quickly figured out the importance of using written symbols to represent the words they speak, and their development of writing actually did occur abruptly in 3400 BC. The Mesopotamians however only used symbols to represent objects that were around them until, of course, 3100 BC when they developed their own phonetic writing. Secondly, there is evidence to suggest that Egyptian writing developed from an even earlier ancient Nubian script. .
            This territory lies to the south of Egypt. It is interesting to see that the further south along the Nile archaeologists travel the older Egypt gets. Check out these articles. http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/hieroglyphs.html
            http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/mesopotamia.html
            I’ll write to you later about Jesus being Jewish, but I want to leave you with a question. Do you know who a Jew is? During the time of Jesus being Jewish was strictly religious.

            • D

              carbon dating is highly inaccurate, and duplicate tests do not give reproducible results.

              People believe what they want. A Jew is one of a certain lineage, starting with Abraham, Issac and Jacob..

              • Sorry, didn’t get the notification of your reply..
                I really don’t want to get back into the argument of carbon dating. My point was already made clear in the last
                message. First of all, you have to understand
                the difference between a Jew and a Hebrew
                A Hebrew is a descendant of Abraham. The word
                Jew means either of the following:
                1. A member of the tribe of Judah (this excludes
                Israelites)
                2. a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the sixth century b.c. to the first century a.d (this
                is well after Abraham and Moses)
                3.a person belonging to a continuation
                through descent or CONVERSION of the
                ancient Jewish people
                4. one whose religion is Judaism
                From this definition you can deduce that
                being a Jew has nothing to do with a certain
                bloodline or lineage. This is evident in the
                book of Acts (When converts to Judaism joined
                the Jews from all over the known world to
                celebrate the Passover) and in the last
                chapters of the Book of Esther (When thousands
                of people throughout the Persian Empire converted
                to Judaism in fear of retaliation by the Jews
                of the land led by Mordecai- thus Purim is
                celebrated). Even the early apostles led by Peter
                believed that one had to convert to Judaism
                before becoming a Christian. Christianity
                was, in the beginning, a sect of Judaism.
                So, being a Jew is not some race or bloodline.
                Judaism is a religion and a way of life. Just
                like Christianity and Islam. Anyone can be
                a Jew. Judaism was wide
                spread amongst the civilized world before Islam
                appeared in the 8th century. This is
                especially true in the Middle East (Kurdistan,
                Armenia, Iran, etc.). This blood line
                passing through your mother law is a recent
                additive to Judaism. If that law was in effect
                during the time of Joseph, then the whole
                tribe of Ephraim and Manasseh (which is basically all
                of Israel) is not Jewish because their
                mother was an Egyptian. And it is because of this
                law and other major cultural and religious
                aspects of Judaism why historians are starting to
                suspect an African origin of the Jewish people
                instead on of a Middle eastern one. In Ancient
                times it was only Egypt and Ethiopia that had
                matriarchal societies. It was only in those
                countries that people believed that the pig
                was unclean. Egypt was the first country
                to adopt the strictly monotheistic beliefs
                that we see in the Bible (e.g. the abolishing
                of idols) These beliefs
                simply didn’t exist in the Middle East until
                Islam appeared. The ancient Hebrews were
                Egyptians.

  75. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but when ones beliefs dismantle the beliefs of another is when a problem will develope. We will not find truth if we are not willing to except it. One truth is that western africans came to the west as slaves, all history and tradition beaten from their bones. Their surviving children were taught by the slave master: his ways, religion and history. Is it safe for present day africans all over the world to find truth in or from a people who enslaved them. inflicting pain hate oppression and utter disrepeat. I don’t trully know if Jesus is or was a Black man But I do know that Africans have played major roles in this world from the beginning of mankind and for some reason the ruling powers choose to keep as much of this truth hinden for some mysterious reason. if there is to be true peace on this earth all the truth will have to be put on the table.

    • dear Lavette

      No one will deny the horrible time that slaves have been through. This is part of history, as is the holocaust, and should never be repeated again.

      Slavery in America does not represent Christianity. Jesus never owned a slave, and neither did any of his Jewish followers. Most of the Jews were slaves themselves, under the Romans, or Egyptians, or Babylonians, or Assyrians, and sensitive to people’s basic needs. Any “slaves” associated with Jews or Christians were actually well treated servants, and were not abused. They even had the option of freedom, after meeting certain obligations.

      In Western slavery, we have to look at all 3 contributing parties. The blacks sold their own to the Muslim slave traders, who then sold them to the buyers from the West.
      Once in America, some slaves were abused, but others were better treated, although they did not have the rights they should have had. Examples were those on small family farms, or those who worked inside the house, doing simple tasks, like cooking.

      What we see coming from all this, however, is a sense of woundedness that has not healed. Out of this woundedness, stories start, to make people feel better about who they are, in order to rise above the racist and evil treatment they received. I feel one of these is that “Jesus is black.”

      My attempt here is not to discourage blacks in their quest to re-establish their worth in the world, but to just clarify the issue that Jesus was Jewish, a Semite, and not black.

      Jesus is certainly for anyone who accepts the horrible sacrifice that he too went through – just for them. Of all people, he would most respond to the human cry of abuse, or mistreatment, as he also was treated this way. He came to break the yoke of bondage, not impose it.

      So, as people make their religious choices, I hope they will look to who Jesus is, and what he taught, and not what man has distorted him to be.

      Salvation comes through love, repentance of sins, forgiveness, and the mercy of God.

      For me, Jesus is my choice, and people of ANY color are my brothers.

      • Dear Marianne,
        Did you read my message that I wrote to you on August21? I’m waiting for your reply…..

      • Let me ask you how long did the holocaust last compared to Slavery in america?

        Now let me answer it for you 4 years compared to 2 to 3 hundred years.It pales in comparison and fits the biblical description much more when you speak of persecution. No one is persucted more then blacks.

  76. Oh my God. I read the bible over and over again. The impostor is Jesus. Not so much as in Jesus Christ of Nazareth…But the beast who is the image of Tall white and blond blue eyed. Hollywood one..
    And this Hollywood is teachings gains and prosperity of materials and money. Other than Repentance…He is in the church…It is Treason and no-one notices the difference…Identity theft and these people are being led to hell…All in the bible…go for it…The bible itself speaks of presidents, and false prophets and false Christ. The serpent who claims ” you will be as Gods” so many are in claiming this statement. And many are claiming they are Jesus…we are to become like Jesus…The cherub in the Garden who was casted out of heaven was the most beautiful angel in the garden..Is the same one being worshiped today.,..

  77. But then again, everything is a prophesy..whether its there for man to repent or go through with it. And the world needs cleansing…so all in all…the choice will…continue to worship money and materials and destroy more earth. Or repent…and clean up…however, In the end it is the heart that needs cleansing and the whole world will follow…the earth will still clean itself from this mess..if they don’t kill it first…

  78. Jesus’ appearance would have been that of a typical Jew of
    his time. How could it be any different. God would have made
    sure that the Jews had ho reason to reject him.
    The European depiction of Jesus is fallacious. He would have
    been full featured, with hair of moderate length at the most,
    as a man with long hair was considered to be unnatural.
    1 Cor 11:3-14
    There is evidence in the scriptures that suggests that he was
    not conspicuous in appearance, and was not the perfect specimen
    male that he is depicted to be. He certainly was not the whimpish,
    frail character you see in so many artistic impressions.
    But, what would have been noticeable was his Godly demeanour,and
    this would have shone through, regardless of his physical
    appearance.
    Whatever his physical appearance may have been, we can be sure
    that his physical presence on this earth has made it possible
    for anyone of us, to receive the gift of salvation, through his bruised and battered,… spear pierced,…thorn studded,… blood spattered,…exhausted body.

    This is the REAL “COLOUR” of Jesus, and let us Never forget it !!!

    • hi richard,

      I wrote this because of a contemporary attempt to make Jesus black, in order to assert black dominance, and black pride.

      People who oppose the black Jesus view are sometimes considered racist, since they want the black Jesus view protected, and not challenged. But I challenged it anyhow. Jesus was Jewish, and ancient Jews were not black either.

      Moses actually was criticized for marrying a black woman by his brother and sister. God punished them for their disrespect. So it was obvious he was not black to begin with, which would have made the criticism unnecessary.

      Num 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

      Popular themes making Jesus of one’s own race is inappropriate, whether Jesus is made a white European, or a black man from Ethiopia.

      • There is no attempt to make Jesus black. There is attempt to know the truth. Please don’t try and reinterpret what was written. Miriam and Aaron criticized Moses for marrying an ETHIOPIAN woman. This has nothing to do with race. If Moses married a Ukrainian woman Miriam and Aaron would have criticized him also. Why? because Moses’ wife was foreign. She had a foreign culture a foreign religion, and foreign beliefs. We both know that many Hebrew leaders were criticized by their country men for marrying foreign women. This started From the time of Abraham whenever he married the Egyptian woman Hagar. You also forgot to add that after Mariam’s criticism God turned her skin snow white. From this I can say that Mariam had to have been black before)) But that would be stupid. I only use objective evidence to prove my points of view. And the Bible is not an objective source of evidence.

  79. Hi Marianne,… Hope you are well.

    Thank you for writing such an important and necessary article,
    which gave me the opportunity to make it clear that the colour
    of Jesus’ skin matters NOT.
    Thank you also for the opportunity to make a comment, which I hope
    for many coming to this page, will be impacted by the nature of
    his death, and respond by giving their lives to him, and go on
    to receive the fullness of his sacrifice and be blessed with
    the ultimate gift of eternal life!!!

    If we insist on attaching a colour to Christ, then let’s consider
    the “the blood red complexion” of his sacrifice.

    Thank’s again….God bless,… Richard.

  80. Moses married an Ethiopian woman..that’s interesting.
    Perhaps he did not want to be nagged in his own language
    for the rest of his life !!!

    • richard

      maybe his first wife hen pecked him, and this one was quieter. Also, a young chick is more attractive than an old biddy :-P

  81. There was no way out for Moses, for had he married a Western
    woman, he would have had to put up with the mood swings…and
    can’t they whack you on the return stroke.
    As this is Christian website, it should be noted that these
    comments are to be taken with…….?

    Beauty is ageless to a godly man…and there is more sustenance
    in a hen than there is in a young chick !!
    So a godly man will take out the hen from the chickhen, and leave
    the chick to learn the wisdom of his actions.

    • richard

      nothing wrong with a little humor….. :)

      on the more serious side, beauty is not always present, in either the chick, or the hen.

  82. A godly man would not settle for anything less than
    spiritual beauty in a woman. A godly man is not carnal.
    Spiritual beauty is ageless,nothing else is worth having.

  83. The discerning mind is only concerned with the contents.
    You have to accept that a mirror will only reflect the
    packaging, and look beyond this.
    You need the ugly packaging to remind you how beautiful
    the beautiful is. You need the dark to awe the light.

  84. When we and all things are perfect, then we will no longer
    need comparisons. A woman who may not consider herself attractive
    on the outside, will always appear beautiful, if she knows the
    Lord. True beauty projects from the imperishable invisible,not
    from the perishable visible.

  85. If the canaanites were white than you dont beleive the bible the bible states clearly that canaan was the son of ham. Unless you belive all of Kush and all of ethipia to be white than you dont believe the bible.You beleive a lie and those people you shared was arabs not what you claim them to be

    • dear tmac

      Look at the pictures in this post. NO ONE is white. (The only true whites are from Scandinavia.)

      Yet only one group is black. It is possible to be a descendant of Ham, and not be black.

      Jesus was not an arab. He was Jewish.

  86. I leave this reply for richard in all his ignorance on that matter he was criticize for marrying a ethiopian woman yes indeed cause ethiopians didnot believe in the same way as the jews they still believe in false gods: and thats why they criticize moses the sudanese are killing other sudanese not cause of color but cause of one speaks arabic and the other speaks a african language ; would it be fair to say they were of different colors dont think so they l;ook as black as the people they were killing so get the facts straight before blogging. and also you did admit and cleary state that the jews did have some black in them and if moses wife was black why in every holly wood movie do they make her white see you can’t tell me from that example that white people are still not hiding the truth

    • tmac

      Moses was a very old man when he married the ethiopian woman. She was most likely older also, and not of child bearing age.

      There is NO mention of any children born to them, so there are no black Jews as a result of that marriage.

  87. There is only one word to describe Jesus The Christ and that is HOLY.

  88. Jesus is the Word of God … the Aleph and the Tav … The First and The Last!
    He was Hebrew.

  89. Hi Tmac,

    In what way did I criticize the marriage of Moses to an Ethiopian
    woman…It would be rather foolish to disparage an event which God
    no doubt would have blessed, don’t you think ?
    This is the problem when ones looks at things with a pre-conceived
    bias. Could you not see that it was a joke ?!!
    It matters not to me the colour of ones skin. But what does matter
    are the colours of God’s words.
    If God said in His word that Jesus was a Jew, then that is exactly
    what he was…it’s as black and white as that.
    Why should the colour of Jesus’ skin matter to you or anybody else ? As I said before it is “the blood red complexion” of his
    sacrifice that matters….Do you agree ?

  90. All of you should be ashamed of yourselves for being racist,egosentric,devil worshipping,pretentious,whoremongers,hell bound,idiotic,ignorant.You are not Christians and Jesus would be ashamed of all of you for tarnishing his name and true image which is in the likeness of God.Marianne I truly hope that you will be forgiven for opening this can of worms because your intentions can clearly be seen to have an agenda of malice.

    • dear Colin

      There was no malice intended here.

      People tend to make God over into their own image, and I was pointing out that, historically, Jesus was Jewish, and not of another culture.

      I conclude with this comment in the post:

      People !!!!!

      It does not matter about race or skin color. Get past this. He is the Messiah. He is here for everyone. Your race does not matter. God made everyone.

  91. Marianne in the bible it does talk about Moses having children who else would he have children by but his wife. And I agree jesus was not african he was brown and was of Jewich descent : but dont go making adam white and the egyptian either seems to me you are confused one moment you say the egytians are white the other you say they are black which is it. And yeah richard maybe i did mistakenly acccused you > And I can appologized . But I do need to say this Can A white person have a dark tone kid if adam had been white Marianne could he have had a black kid . Noah yeah was the son of adam and father of ham so if Adam was white than Noah had to be white ; Right: wrong cause I never seen a white man ever have black kids I am not a racist but it just never happened before and it will never happen even that south african couple was shock to see or find out that they had had black in their lineage when they came out with a unusually dark kid but I quote it was because they had black in they lineage. Also it is good that this sight allows every one to be heard go to guy white web site the guy is so racist he does let any thing contrare to his oppinion float.

  92. Also marianne you didnot answer the question if moses wife was black this was the only wife he had than why was she in every hollywood movie depicted white if she was ethiopian . Kind of scary and Marianne also if there is not black Jews today which there are than what about those ethiopian jews on days star who are being carried out of ethiopia and resettle in Jerusalem. Jesus more than likely had Jew and black in him cause certain passages in the bible do quote on more than one occasion did Jews intermingle with blacks like the egyptians and ethiopinas. Solomon married a egyptian and had kids by her.

    • tmac

      Remember, Jesus was a descendant of Judah, son of Isaac, someone born in Israel BEFORE the Jews ever went to Egypt.

      Jesus was not a descendant of Moses. Moses had children by his first wife who was Hebrew, not Egyptian or Ethiopian.

      Hollywood only showed his first wife. Hollywood is not reality anyhow.

      The Ethiopian Jews, if they want to immigrate to Israel, are required to convert officially before acceptance. This is because their claim to being Jewish is questioned. If Jews from the Diaspora migrated there, they would have intermarried with blacks there and thus the dark color you see them with today.

      Roman records of the crucifixion describe Jesus this way:

      His golden-colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. he appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have i seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between him and his hearers, with their black beards and tawny complexions!

      Valleus’s Notes – Acta Pilate, or Pilates’ report to Caesar fo the arrest, trial, and crucifixion of Jesus

      This objective Roman description of Jesus, as an arrested man going through trial, was that Jesus was fair in complexion, with light colored hair, which was in contrast to others around him.

      I would conclude from this that Jesus was not black, for sure.

  93. Roman get out of here there isn’t any evidence to this claim but also there is no proof that the Midianites were of european descent or Jews for that matter the fact is this the only race that can be lighten up or darkened is someone who allready has pigment in him . You can never convince any african american or african or even any person of color that jesus was any color but brown. And it never said Moses remarried for it said in the bible that he married a ethiopian woman which are by the way very beautiful.Not only that but you all have to say this one thing kill the noise : God meant for all colors to be mixed cause we are all mixed even white people have dark genes in them so if we all came from africa and the oldest skeleton was that of a dark man we all have black in our genetics they say a white person is a black person without melani in there skin or should I say pigment. Not only that but ghod told adam toi be fruitful and fill up the earth which he also told Noah. Also Noah did have kids of three different colors you ever heard of a albino black person, all blacks are not the same color some brown some black other albino. There are albinos in africa . Now saying and stating this I do say that we are the only race that seem to have been able to change skin tone with out mixing with any one I never seen a dark white person As i have stated before. So god would have to have use something of color to change the pigments of the skin to brown light brown to pale white. Come on it only makes common since on what color jesus was and adam for that matter : but still god dont indorse racism so if people are claiming jesus to be a person of color meaning brown or black for racisst ideas they will face hell fire beleive me and if you marianne are concluding jesus was white for racial aspects that you are gonna face the hell fire if yopu done t repent cause god dont indorce racism in any shape or form.

  94. so lets just all get along and love jesus for what he was instead of what origin he was cause it don’t matter if white or black or brown : If the bible is true than he is not going to excuse any of us cause of our skin tone which the bible is true. Also Marianne I do still have to question your belief on how you think black people got here seems like that view may have been racist. I have seen a albino form of the sons of ham but they still had afican feature and also they also had red hair it was weird I tell you .

    • hi tmac

      Jesus was Jewish, not black or white. He was middle eastern. Look at the middle eastern people today. He looked like that.

      I think the problem here is people do not understand genetics. They have evolution mixed into their thinking. Also, to dilute anything dark, you have to already have something lighter around, which means the lighter already exists. This means, even from the beginning, both black and white genes existed.

      God only made one DNA template for man. He did not make more than one Adam. Within his genetic makeup was genes for every color – all in one man. Adam had genes for white, yellow, black, red, brown, etc. How these colors were expressed were dependent upon what proteins were also expressed. The proteins activated would turn on certain genes.

      Also, environment affected the gene expression. Colder temperatures activated the genes for white. Hotter temperatures activated the genes for black. This was in the beginning, when the earth and atmosphere was different from what we have today. We still see a hint of this when a white person gets a suntan, although now, the effects are more temporary.

      I am white, but I have a gene for black in me. I also have a gene for yellow, etc. If conditions were different, my body could potentially change me into black. But for now, I have proteins which suppress the black color and activate the white color.

      Does that make sense?

  95. You cant judge middle easterners by what they are today too much mixing I saw a real egytian he was black as coal but he looked like one of thode mumies if they had died he was not nubian or sudanese he was pure egytian. Now I do believe that if you or any body understood genetics you would know that in the bible it said that there was a mixed population of jews with moses . So Jews are mixed with black white and any other color today . They were mixed back then with only black cause back then black was the dominant calture during the egyptian times. The egytians were black how else did those statues get real big lips. Not onl;y that you only have black genes do to the first man being black like I said if he was white than why have you not seen a white man have a black kide not onlyu that we dont neeed nothing light skinned around to have lighter kids cause we do make albino kids see some in africa . There been known reports as two africans making albino kids so we dont need white around to make white . God took out the pigment from our skin and made white .

    • tmac

      I think – very much – that what you see today is very similar to what was true in the time of Jesus. Jews only married other Jews. Mixing with gentiles was not allowed, and so the Messiah had to come from a pure line.

      Jesus was not a descendant of Moses or any Egyptian.

      Egyptians may have mixed with blacks to get big lips, but the Jews that were in the Messianic line married within their race.

      If Jews had mixed with blacks, they would have had big lips, and they don’t.

      White people are not albinos. Albino is white. The Caucasian skin color is a pink-beige.

  96. Thats a laugh cause if what we see today was true during jesus time why are jews different colors. And back in the days like i said they had not a choice to mix they were raped by egytians who i quote were black people any body knows that egytians didnot mix with black people to get big lips they allready had them. Look attut on his throne he is black and look at what the bible say ham was he was black aint nowhite son of ham unless he was albino you cant be a son of ham and be white or light tone unles like I said you were albino cause ham as we should all know was black.The greeks describe the egytians and the ethiopians as being black. and if the jews weren’t of color how could moses be hid among the egytian babies. I think it’s very racist and offensive to say jews were white as they are now knowing that god said he would scatter them. If you would know the prophecy of Noah noah said japeth shall dwell in the lands or to him in the tents of both shem and ham. Meaning he shall be in the lands of ham and shem. I think only a racist person says jesus is all the way white not seeing tht jesus and the jews came into europeans only during the times of the greeks. The bible clearly make a separation of distinction of all Noah children. Ham(different) Shem(Different) Japheth(Different) the same father but they would start different races the same race that exist today black for ham,brown for shem and white for Japheth.Not onlythat if what we see today which most white racist groups think is true about egypt and Jews than why dont black people get a pass on the harrassment cause today we are’t all the same color some of us are pale tone,lightskin, carmel, redbrown, and brown to dark brown. If we were that way during slavery time we would have never been persecuted at all . Some blacks who claim african american look all the wy white. the fact is even if you look at a web site it tells you that all jews are not the same color due to intermingling if you dont think that you never been to jerusalem or out of where ever you live I seen a real jew here in columbeus ohio and he was not white like the jews are today he had a tan and had jet blck hair I asked him what he was he said Jewish . He sold jewish products so if he is naturally tan where is the pale skin. i also saw a jew who claimed to be from jerusalem and she was white she had blonde hair and blue eyes she look nothing like the other jew that was in columbus and she left and went back to jerusalem just so did the other Jew did. Both claimed to be jews and both looked totaly different> You might say the other was Jewish but both were from Jerusalem. my point though jews now are mixed and some still retained there brown skin and me being a christian will not lie about this come to columbus yourself if yopu think I lie. It even says that that Moses carried a large mIxed populatiuon out of egypt. You need to get out of your surroundings a bit more cause any body who would compare Today with long ago must not been any place

  97. Not only that butknow also that jerusalem was conquored by the british thats why the arabs of the middle east have fair skin. Now lets face the truth even though ugly if the british raped us meaning black folks what do you think they would due to a people that was claimed to be the linage of christ straight rape them. egypt was also inhabited buy napoleon and greeks before which today in egypt you can see Mixed egyptian greek kids till this day which were brown so if the egytians were white than why are the mixed kids brown .Thats all I have to say if people go to these places aroung the world and see for themselves than you would never have these racist or pointles debates. The jews are mixed< the africans are mixed today and the whites are even mixed. Just like God said from the Jump be fruitful and mutiply and replenish the earth. There is no pure blood jew or even white person for that matter.Facts is fact if you lived in hungary and lots of eastern europe than You had attila and Kahn ancestry in you. There still Mongloids in russia today. So let save small lieing talk for a non descent time.

  98. Why do people not know that the Bible tells us God chose the despised things of this world in 1 Corinthians 1.27 and 28. That is why we see why the world is deceived. In that question of colour and race and village and type of death He chose what is despised by the world. Even from our world today.

    So it is your guess, what colour He was and is today. We need to remember that the Lord God Almighty, creator or everything, is happy with the lowly of this world, whom He calls his people.

    When He comes back, He will only choose those poeple who are His. Not the counerfeits, who claim a knowledge of God based on their vanities.

    Jay Cee

    Jay Cee

  99. I agree with Jay cee :just like with guy white and every other white american who want to see Jesus as what ever color they want to see him, they have no supportive evidence but just a bunch of hear say. Jesus will come back for the righteous and no matter if he was white or black if you dont serve him you go to hell it’s as simple as that. Marianne you will not win this argument or convince any blacks or any other color that jesus was white also you have to say this the Jews reject Jesus. And you want to talk about despise blacks have always been despise by Jews by other blacks and most of all by whites who want to steal any thing that great that comes from africa and claim it as their own. Just think if Egypt was in Zulu south africa would we still have trouble on figuring what color they were look at the new magazine of I beleive it is tut mom or grand mother it has her black. So you and guy white need to give up this battle of convincing people to your point of view these are my last words enough said. You have your opinion and we have ours. When you actually can shoe someone a very acurate and well documented case that Jesus was white than You have a case. Not only that the bible simply states that Jesus will come as a Jew that part You have right but him being white well lets just say then if he was There was no Shem then and ham was also pale every body in the bible according to you was pale even the ethiopians which clearly in the Greeek means burnt face. So continue on with this nonsense of a argument and watch it convince no one the bible simply and cleary states that Jesus had hair bright like wool but;hair like wool. Also the bible said he had feet like brass as if it had been burnt unless his feet and body was two different colors than he had to be black or of dark skin. I’m just telling also what the bible say his feet was brass as if it were burnt revelations 1:14-15 please read for your own classification not roman or greek but pure bible this is.

    • Dear T mac,

      Revelation 1:14-15 and so forth which you give reference to describes Jesus in His Glorified Body and not as He walked the earth.
      His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire;
      And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
      And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength.

      That does not sound to me as an african native not as an american … etc.

      john is describing a Heavenly Vision of an Heavenly King. :)

      • very good, abigail

        The color of the hair was white….it said nothing of the texture of the hair being as wool.

        this is a case of people not reading the bible, or not understanding what they read.

        • You always make me laugh!

          • I enjoy you too.

            My hair is white now due to age. I wonder if that makes me black also?

            • I own a little bichon frise … and her hair is white and just like wool … very fine and needs constant grooming other wise she mats easy.
              Wool is actually very fine hair!
              Nothing about you is black … for even our sins although scarlet red are now also white as snow.

  100. tmac

    Jesus was not black. he was not white, and I never said that.

    Jesus was Jewish, and middle eastern. So he was copper colored, like those in that area today.

    My son has hair like wool. it is very curly….but he is Caucasian.

    In the book of Enoch, Noah was described as blonde hair and blue eyes. If Shem looked like his father, he would also pass this on to his decedents, which would include Jesus.

    this has nothing to do with taking away from Africa…..Africa never had Jesus.

  101. Marianne,
    Learn your history before you post.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejnz-H5RW34 Discovery channel

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCdYif79f4Y History Channel

    • Jeenia

      You are listening to secular thinking which is out of line with the bible

      You are listening to speculation from atheists.

      Jesus was not African. He was not pure white, but had the color of the Jews, which was NOT black. He lived in Eygpt, but he did NOT have to blend in or match with the people there. He was hiding from Herod in Israel. He was not hiding from the Egyptians.

      Ruth was NOT afro -asiatic…..she was just a semite, like the Jews. This is baloney. “darker skin tones” were still what you see today over there. nothing has changed.

      The african eve myth is just baloney from a bunch of atheists. Eve did not live 150,000 years ago. There is no proof for that. This is all fantasy. The history channel is nothing but a fantasy movie. It is fiction. They are presenting fantasy as fact, which is bad journalism.

      I have had my mitchondrial DNA tested, and the root “mother” was not African.

      Archeology will find all the same age bones all over the world.

      Even the book of Enoch described Noah as white, with blonde hair. Those on the earth after Noah, and now, come from him. This includes Jesus.

      Genes for all skin colors are in all of us. If you are black, you have a gene for white in you. It is just not turned on.

  102. Yeah that just what i expect from someone who think everything in the bible as pure fact i know my history and how do you know toes people are atheists? You don’t. Sorry I don’t believe in a book that has been prove parts of it were written by recent men when its “revised”. Unless someone can get the ORIGINAL BIBLE not revised in ANY form I would believe what it says. But the Qu’ran make more scene and doesn’t contradict itself and hasn’t been messed with by man like the bible has.

  103. I am Native American, African American(mom side), Bermudan, French, Chinese and Portuguese(dad side). My family is very mixed and we were not brought up delusional.

  104. Read the Qu’ran (Correct spelling of it) from cover to cover then talk to me about it being full of contradictions. I have read it fully.

  105. The bible is a book written by MAN not GOD.

    http://www.theinsider.com/news/913097_The_contradictions_of_the_Bible

    http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm

    http://www.skeptically.org/bible/id8.html

    http://www.skeptically.org/bible/id6.html

    http://www.goatstar.org/bible-contradictions/

    http://www.freethoughtdebater.com/tenbiblecontradictions.htm

  106. Reading lots of it and reading it cover to cover is not the same. I have met priests and fathers who read the Qu’ran and agree with some messages in it. They are required By the Vatican to read it and understand Islam, If you don’t believe me go into any Catholic church and ask a Father. My Husband (Irish(mom)/French(dad) is Catholic and told me this.

    http://www.theinsider.com/news/913097_The_contradictions_of_the_Bible

    http://www.freethoughtdebater.com/tenbiblecontradictions.htm

    I found more sites but they were just bashing and I didn’t want to post stuff like that. But there are no documents that are original to reference back to on the bible, the Torah has Originals, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and Many other Hebrew, Arabic, and Greek writings (carbon dated thousands of years ago) you can go to museums and see the original writings, but you can’t find Originals of the Bible why?

    http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/671007

    • jeenia

      any truth that is accidentally in the Quran is borrowed from the bible which you reject.

      the rest is false, no matter how “original” it is.

      the modern bible is faithful to the original documents…..you are just repeating propaganda.

  107. Qu’ran is the correct spelling, how can you say it is false? Were you alive in those times?… I didn’t think so. The Modern bible is not the true word of god, How do you explain the various bibles? KJV, Catholic Version, Presbyterian version and so on? If it was the word of god then the Christian religion wouldn’t be fighting amongst themselves and divided as it is, and saying this bible is wrong and the one they have is right. Because man keep editing adding and taking out things so it is no longer the “word of god” it is the word of man and if anyone “revises” it no one ever asks questions they just accept it.

    • Jeenia

      All the bible “versions” have the same content. If you had ever looked at them, you would know that.

      There is only small variations, like one might say “clothing,” the other might say “garments.”

      One might use the king’s English, like “thou shalt not,” and another one uses more modern language, like ” you will not.”

      it is all the same. Your claim about about it not being the word of god is wrong. Stop listening to propaganda.

      Only a man, Mohammed, wrote the qu’ran. And he was a sinful man as well.

      There have been changes to the Quran also. They call them abrogations. When they find a mistake, they just write a correction. This is what makes the quran so inconsistent. It is wrong anyhow, because God had nothing to do with it.

  108. Small? I have read all the bible listed above from to back and there are WHOLE CHAPTERS missing or added in, that is hardly “small”.

  109. Your wrong no matter how you slice it, you just can’t stand the truth. so by your standard the entire Islam religion is wrong an sinful? try and tell that to some of my female muslim friends. Who worship God 5 times a day.But obviously scene you’re a “Christan” woman you think you are right and you are spreading propaganda about other religions. Last I checked Christians are not suppose to say bad things about other religions they are suppose to respect them. Which obviously you don’t.

    • Jeenia

      Do not make things up. You have not read anything in the bible, or found missing chapters.

      Yes. Islam is a wrong faith. The adherents may be sincere, but they have faith in something that is not true, and deceives them.

      I have seen quite a bit of propaganda coming out of Islam.

      Arguing here will not profit you.

      Show me in the bible, where it says Christians “are not supposed to say bad things about other religions.”

      When the gospel was preached, people were told that their false religion was wrong, and to accept Jesus as Savior.

  110. Make things up? I OWN all the bibles I listed and I have read all of them the most one with added Chapters is the New American Bible (Catholic) one my husband has. And you do not know ANYTHING about me so how do you know what I have and haven’t read? You obviously never go to church, when I went it I was taught to us that we are to “do unto others as we have them do unto us” (since Jesus is your savior why not show it instead of bashing other religions and races?) I use to talk to the Father often about things and I even talked to him about Islam (Because I have female Muslim friends), he told me that he recognize Islam as a religion of God, because Muslims believe in both God and Jesus. But according to what you just said, you must also think Judaism is wrong as well? because they do not WORSHIP Jesus, it is forbidden for them to do so. They Worship God and only God. And before you say ANYTHING about what I do and do not know I have traveled all around the world I am a military daughter and now a military wife I have lived in multiple countries and have seen several faiths first hand and asked questions. So why don’t you get out of the little town your living in and see the world for what it really is instead of trying to force your backwards views on intelligent logical people.

    • You are a fake.
      ‘It is forbidden for THEM to do so.’
      You have abandoned your faith at the wrong time …
      Eternity is forever.

    • Jeenia

      It is obvious that you know no truth about Jesus, but only what the Quran teaches, which is false. It denies who Jesus really is, which is the spirit of antichrist. If you had really read the bible, even one time, and had understood the contents, you would not be muslim.

      You are doing a good job of bashing, so why don’t you practice what you preach? It is also obvious from current behavior that Islam is a very intolerant religion.

      I get weekly news from countries where Islam persecutes people, especially women. After all, it is ok to beat women and rape them, because they have to submit to men, and it is ok to force children to marry and have sex with men also. This attitude is not from the real God.

      I am telling you that it is my position that Islam is false, and the Quran is NOT from God, and has falsehood in it. It is my responsibility to tell you that, if I care about your salvation.

      I am not impressed with your military background. It has taught you nothing. I grew up in the military and married a military man. I have also traveled. So do not be such a know-it-all. You can travel the world with a narrow attitude, and come back still ignorant.

      True Christianity worships God, and gives praise to his Messiah. That is biblical. There is error in the world, which is Satan’s influence. Anyone who is not in line with scripture, which includes Jews, wayward Christians and Muslims, are not saved, and will suffer eternally, unless they accept the truth Jesus taught, repent of their sins, and obey God.

  111. Abigail I am not a “fake” how can a person be fake? I have a Jewish best friend and I attended the holidays with them so how am I fake when i asked his family about their religion? And I experienced it myself? Obviously you haven’t. I am not Muslim you dumb yokal I am agnostic and proud of it because obviously Christianity is WRONG because of your Bashing of other religions and races from your hickville, backwater nowhere town thinking the white race is better then anyone else you are probably Mormon. I USED to be Catholic but not any longer and I am happy with my choice and my life is perfectly well and good.

  112. You obviously haven’t traveled if your views are so bias so do not give me some FALSE excuses about it. I don’t believe what you say you never traveled or you would of said something earlier and you having getting weekly news from other counties doesn’t prove anything. Your just a dumb backwater hick, that blindly follows a religion that you OBVIOUSLY DO NOT preach with the stuff that you type about other races, and religions. My husbands family are better Christians then you even though they do not agree with certain religions they do not bash them and tell them they are wrong, instead they keep in to themselves and believe God will speak to them. Which is SUPPOSE to be the way to handle it not trying to FORCE YOUR views down other peoples throats. I can see you as one of the protesters spouting hateful words and throwing things at other religions if they have a public event, Dint you think that is what “Satan” is causing you to do? HATE OTHERS? And last I checked in America it is our First Amendment Right to practice FREEDOM OF RELIGION… not Freedom of a different branch of Christianity.

    • Jeenia

      We are forcing nothing here. We have been patient enough with you. You have been on the attack since your first comment. You can now take your negative views elsewhere.

      We have never hated you. It appears your own emotions are being revealed now. You have a lot of hate and misinformation fueling that hate. I hope you find the truth about Jesus someday. We pray that God speaks to you.

    • Jeenia

      You are a false accuser. You are a nasty person, and your racism and hate is obvious. You are too wacked out for anyone to like. All you do is fight and accuse people. You are also crazy. You say you are an agnostic, but then you say how Islam is true. I think you are trying to play people.

      You need to be less abusive.

  113. To anyone

    I found this link on another page. Jeenia is intentionally lying, and here is the proof.

    http://www.atheistforums.com/need-back-up-on-a-topic-elsewhere-t17878.html

    She claims I said Jesus was a White European (Blonde hair and blue eyes). Look above and see if I said that. This is a lie.

    She says I claim Jesus was NOT Jewish. Look above and see that I did say He was Jewish.

    She says that I tried to force her to “Accept Jesus or burn in hell.” Another lie. I never said that.

    She says I bashed her. Look at her negative comments.

    Clearly she is lost. Pray for her.

  114. Jesus was gay

  115. this is how i feel about the bible and jesus yes i believe in a god but the bible is plagarized. Plus once upon a time, in europe they did once think of jesus as being black skinned; i am only saying that is because there are many many hundreds of black madonnas in europe and ask yourself? why is that? Did long time ago, europeans were all pagan and were praying to isis and horus of egypt? As in the black madonnas and jesus weren’t madonna and jesus at all but horus and isis look it up

  116. Netta

    Folklore can say anything.

    I could start a rumor that Jesus was yellow, or purple, and publish some pictures. A hundred years from now, people will insist that Jesus is purple just because of what I started.

    you need to follow the bible. Jesus was Jewish, not african, and he was not black.

  117. to be honest i don’t care if jesus was african or not-but i think if he was you would have a problem with it.

  118. I find it disingenious when you say it doesn’t matter, but you show only white looking middle easterners (egyptians, Palestinians) as if the blacker looking ones don’t exist. Also, since we know that settlement patterns of the past 2000 years have pushed the darker complexioned people out of Egypt and further south, how can you claim to be objective in seeking this out?

    It’s the same thing: You show some pics of whites and say “It doesn’t matter, but here is the proof that he wasn’t black”

    Come on…

    • david,

      It is genetics. Jesus was not a Cushite or Egyptian or Ethiopian. He was Jewish. There has been a Jewish presence in Israel for the past 2000 years, and beyond that as well. Look at them. They are not black.

  119. i thought I would surprise a few. Here I will post 2 videos which speaks for itself.

    • I wonder if any one else thought what I think?
      In the video above …. from 7:53 min. to 8:24 is most interesting.
      The shepherd looks like …
      Noteworthy is the question he asks addressing the seekers as brothers, he says:
      “What are you looking for in the cemetary, sir??’
      And his smile is certainly noteworthy because he smiles with his eyes.
      Also I find interesting what the seeker remarks AFTER he leaves the shepherd.
      He says ‘He looks Jewish … I mean he REALLY looks Jewish … He looks like my Father.’
      Have you noticed that too??

      • yes, he does not have the usual angry arab expression that we see on videos or TV. He was very nice. Maybe “HE” walks among the Jews, in different ways, at this time. interesting

        • Yes… but the question the shepherd asks is ‘what’ are you looking for in the cemetery Sir?.
          I find that if you look in his eyes as he speaks this that he knew the answer.
          Most people would ask ‘who’ are you looking for in the cemetery …
          And besides that he just seems to appear by the road.

  120. Here is the other.

  121. Greetings,

    I hope all are well.

    I think one thing that is important to understand is that Christianity came to America through Europe. More important than the color of Jesus is what the cultural effects of the European were on the gospel. For example the Native Americans were taught they must abandon this culture and take up farming and other ‘civilized’ ways. This European influence on the gospel is very bad and has hurt the world in general. It has destroyed cultures in the name of Jesus.

    Paul became all things to all people. If having a black Jesus draws people or having a lighter skinned Jesus draws people then let them have a Jesus in their color. I don’t think we can say with accuracy what color he was. Personal I believe he was brown skinned but most definitely not European. I would sooner believe he was darker than brown than lighter. The reason being is where Abram, later to be Abraham came from.

    Love,

    John

    • Hi John,
      You have quoted very mildly ‘For example the Native Americans were taught they must abandon this culture and take up farming and other ‘civilized’ ways. ‘ That is not quite the Truth.
      They were not taught.
      They were not even encouraged.
      They were forced.
      They were genocide.
      They were ridiculed .
      And I could go on and on and on.
      But please do some research on this subject.
      As for the Euro gentiles they were MEAN.
      And that is putting it lightly.

      • I hate to burst your bubble but Europeans spread the word all over the world and were killed and eaten by other races for it. Show me another race on earth that has even tried to spread God’s word? Plus white people were in america first 12,000 years ago and the indians wiped us out, genocide. But thats ok with you because whites are the only ones on earth that should be bashed for what all the other races have done also. Your stupid and dumb as a box of rocks if you think whites are more ruthless than arabs, blacks, asians or indians. The non-white races would kill white people at the drop of a hat for a bowl of beans and if God shows us a rerun of history you will have your proof that all races are just as much if not more worthless as whites are. Don’t be a fool, every race on earth is just as much the devil as any white if not more so.

  122. Abagail,

    Hi hope you are well.

    Yes I certainly agree with all you say. But there was a process in the genocide and destruction of the culture. Furthermore this genocide continues to this day in many ways.

    First came the missionaries. They did not teach the gospel of Jesus but something different. It was a European biased false gospel which they called ‘civilized.’

    If you could recommend some good books or websites that would be greatly appreciated. I have done a good amount of research on this and continue to this day. I am reading a book written by Native Americans one of the authors is by Black Elk of the Sioux.

    Also Marianne has agreed to put on a blog from the Yankton Sioux which we are working out the details.

    The whole point of my comment is that the ‘civilized’ way of the Europeans were not Godly. Perhaps you should reread my comments I don’t think you read them carefully.

    Love,

    John

  123. Here is a good start … and I hope none is offended.
    I think we should hold the mirror of very high …

  124. And here is a film series …
    This one is # 5 of 11 films. I just chose one at random.

  125. The atrocities were terrible … rape, pedophilia, murder, starvation, torture, etc.
    All the experiences usually associated with an nazis occupation.
    This land does not belong to the euro gentile… it was stolen, pillaged, destroyed etc.
    A very touchy subject for those who were wounded and a subject which the church, the crown, the governments, the large corporations wishes to avoid.
    A hand shake and a ‘I’m sorry’ doesn’t cut it … because they lie.
    I seriously think some soul searching and deep repentance before The Lord is required … The Lord does visit the iniquity for many generations.
    Maybe it is time to learn what the word ‘RESPECT’ means.
    Maybe it time to see anew.

    • Indians say around 12,000 years ago there were red headed white people here that they committed genocide on. Who’s to say whites weren’t here first back then and the indians maybe came from canada area found them here and wiped them out? There’s over 2 billion asians, 1.5 billion arabs so all the browns and blacks way outnumber the whites. Why is that? My theory is that these other races for thousands of years hunted us down and killed us for our women, we constantly hid in caves and on islands trying to hide and protect ourselves. How else could we be so outnumbered? No written history proves this but there was allot of written history that was destroyed. Blacks have the first 2000 years of “recorded history” and they conquered all the races in the middle east. To think they did not kill white men and rape white women would come from the minds of idiots dumber than a box of rocks. They probably destroyed allot of ancient white history in their conquering. Indians killed many other races of indians for land also and they went to war with mexicans for land too. The whole world has went to war for land for thousands of years but whites are the only ones bashed for it because of retards like you who act holier than thou. You & your people just as much a scumbag as any whites.

  126. The spillage of blood on this land, I am certain cries out to God!
    Will not man reap what they have sown?

  127. You just simply have to laugh …
    ******* New news *********
    E.T. call Rome …. yes sure!
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_sc/eu_vatican_aliens

  128. Here is a story to bring tears to your heart.

  129. I guess it really does not matter if Jesus was black or not, i understand that a black person would want Him to be black, given everything that they have been through. In the same breath one could bring up all the things the jews have been through as well. Listen, the only thing that matters is that Jesus is the Son of God and is the saviour of the entire world, black and white, copper skin tone, pale skin tone, it really doesnt matter brother, i love you just the same, God bless you.

  130. Jesus had a “HEAD” and “HAIR” white as wool, white as snow and his eyes were as a flame of fire.
    No black man has a white head and hair. Maybe white hair but not at 33 y.o. And a flame of fire has yellow orange, red, blue and green colors but no brown or black colors so how could the eyes like a flame of fire Jesus had (probably bright blue or green eyes) apply to a black man?
    I know some will say this is only figurative, but the same people will say it means Jesus was black if it said:
    And his head & hair were black like wool and his eyes were black like a raven (or brown like the earth). Who knows for sure. One thing is for sure, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Jesus is Lord.

    • hi kirt

      I think you have a point about anti-white thinking. If the roles were reversed, the others would have most likely done the same thing. No race is innocent.

  131. The one thing I understand is that Jesus was not Black nor White. That is the worlds point of view, everything to them is Black and White. You people want to know who Christ is. Say’s it all in the walk he lived. He was mocked, Cursed, ridiculed and shamed by many, he was no movie star. By the personality of his race you would think he was dark, look around who suffers the most. Just because your black and white yellow green and brown. Does not mean you suffer the most. It is them who are all races that have been rejected for some reason. However, you do not see them running over here and there to steal, beg, and kill…Not one race can cover what color Christ was…
    As for the comment on White as wool this is speaking Santa Clause. Another thing is Jesus was not his real name nor was he born on Christmas. So the whole thing of Jesus is made up to best suited for the race of each Culture. He can be White to some, black to some and Jew to some, native to some. He is not one color nor mind…We all have different Languages and people are trying to claim Christ as their own. Well it ain’t happening. Humans have been representing him in many attitudes. Ever watch an ant hill with ants on it, that us to him only human. We are but like the Sand by the ocean. We pick that sand by hand and you will see one tiny little pebble in it. That is one people to him a hand full is many, How many colors would you see in it?Creator comes in many forms it did not stop at human. He is too big to be called small to big to be one race. Man is trying to become one race since the beginning of time over Jelousy and greed like Cain and Abel..they do not like any other race other then their own race. However in the end God does not judge by skin color. So part of this test is to see if man has failed or passed the Eye Exam…Next is the heart exam..God would not say to one race to leave heaven because they are White and Black..What if he is Neither? Who is to say he one of the races most casted and forgotten.

  132. Please my dear friends, do your homeworks before talking about things you do not understand. Throughout my experience, I have noticed that religion is a very sensitive matter simply because, people, when discussing this issue tend to lose their ability to think logically. Hence, rather than to analyze step by step what is offered to them, they protect themselves behing the many dogmas they have learned and memorized when they were kids.
    The first thing I am going to say is this: 90% of the people who belong to a religion today have benn either raised in it or they have joined it because of a sad or difficult experience. The danger with these two kinds of enlistment is that they are usually not taught to use their logic. Hence,instead of analyzing a biblical or qu’ranic story, they are taught to believe in the folklore or magical aspect of it. That is why I have seen in my life a very logical and practical person able to accept that Noa, a man, had three kids with different colors. That is also why, I have seen people acknowledging that the first men on earth were black people(sciences proves it), but arguing that Adam and Eve, the first man and woman, were not blacks.
    My point is this my friends: if you belong to one of the two categories of believers I just talked about, I URGE you to say to yourself this: “I should look for the truth because I probably was not well taught”

    Unfortunately, the truth will hurt the majority because it will not suit what they expected and, it is going to require a lot of COURAGE to accept it.

    The first people on earth were black people. Moreover, this group of people remained sole rulers of earth for thousands of years (40,000 at least!) . So, whenever we talk about ancient groups of people, we have to acknowledge this unique domination of the world . In other words, Asia, Europe, Australia, or India were first populated by black people. This is essential in understanding the Scriptures and mankind history.

    Now, when we talk about ancient Israel, Canaan, Babylon, and the others we MUST first of all STUDY the ancient maps. Once again, the study of FACTS will help us understand the scriptures and history.

    I stop right here because this is the first and foremost step that one must deal with before going any further. When we talk about ANCIENT, we first of all talk about BLACKNESS . The other groups come AFTER. It is not racism but simply FACTS

  133. Woe Woe WOe!.Enoch was an Ethiopian(cushite) which means burnt face He was the seventh son of Adam. So run that creation of other races story back by me again?Second the egyptians were black,the Canaanites were black.Since you guys seem to love lies because you are racist let me spread the truth. Solomon said I Am BLACK! Now refute that.Go look at the Hebrew word that is used. It mean Black face and black skin as black as horse hair.So How could SOLOMON BE WHITE.JESUS WAS NOT WHITE AT ALL.He probably was more like a Latino color which there dark also. His feet were as burnt brass.No white person is that color.NONE. White people’s hair isn’t white either if you didn’t know.I can go on forever but this is so erroneous it’s sad and racist and deceitful and ignorant. Shalom. Ps If you didn’t know the canaanite tribes came from cush so how could they have been white when cush means burnt face?

    • Earnest

      THere is nothing in scripture that says Enoch (Enosh)was a Cushite.

      Enos = “man,” man, mortal man, person, mankind Strong’s H583

      It does not mean “burnt face”

      We never said Jesus was pure snow white.

      He was a Hebrew, and had an olive complexion, like what you see today in the middle east.

      Jesus was not a Canaanite…..Canaanites were God’s enemies, and God ordered them to be killed by the Israelites.

      there is nothing racist about accuracy.

      You are making things up, or your sources are delusional, and fictitious.

      The “black person” speaking in the song of songs is a female, and that is quite clear. She is a slave in Soloman’s court who is in love with him.

      Sgs 1:2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love [is] better than wine.

      Sgs 1:3 Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name [is as] ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee.

      Sgs 1:4 Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee.

      Sgs 1:5 I [am] black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.


      -

      • Marianne,
        Why would Solomon ‘the wisest’ write a book about a slave?
        Could not this beautiful and black woman be the Queen of the South or the Queen of Sheba?
        I doubt very much that ‘. She is a slave in Soloman’s court who is in love with him.’
        Where do you get the idea that she is a slave??

        • abigail

          Look at the first chapter of song of songs. She is not a queen, but a young girl. She is made to tend to the vineyard…..

          Sgs 1:6 they made me the keeper of the vineyards; [but] mine own vineyard have I not kept.

          someone of authority would be on equal standing with the king….however, she is brought to him at his orders….he does not even come to her…she is just brought to him…..

          Sgs 1:4 the king hath brought me into his chambers:

          she is a servant of the court…and subject to the desires of the king.

          • Marianne,
            It was not Solomon who made the beautiful, black women a keeper of the vineyards …
            ‘my mother’s children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; [but] mine own vineyard have I not kept.’
            Sounds to me that her mother’s children were envious of her, at some point.

            And then look at all the spices in this song …
            While the king [sitteth] at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof. Notice ‘MY spikenard.’

            A bundle of myrrh [is] my wellbeloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

            And then ‘My beloved [is] unto me [as] a cluster of camphire in the vineyards of Engedi.’

          • Abigail, Marianne,

            Please acknowledge that Song of Songs is the holiest book of the scriptures and not a SINGLE word in it is about intimate relationship (pretty much as all the other books of the Bible, but sgs reveal closest relationship between God and His people).

            It is about:

            Creator and His creation;
            God and Community of Israel;
            Messiah and his people;

            Masculine for always hits about God or Messiah;
            Feminine form always hits about creation or saved ones;

            “Blackness” refers to soul “blackened” by birth into material world, where soul is not presented in its true form, or “blackened by sins…

            This is how Rashi interprets verse 1:5

            I am black but comely, etc.: You, my friends, let me not be light in your eyes even if my husband has left me because of my blackness, for I am black because of the sun’s gaze, but I am comely with the shape of beautiful limbs, and if I am black as the tents of Kedar, which are blackened by the rain, for they are constantly spread out in the deserts, I am easily cleansed to be like the curtains of Solomon. The allegory is that the congregation of Israel says to the nations: I am black in my deeds, but I am comely in the deeds of my ancestors, and even some of my deeds are comely. If I am guilty of the iniquity of the [Golden] Calf, I can counter it with the merit of the acceptance of the Torah (Song Rabbah). He calls the nations the daughters of Jerusalem because she [Jerusalem] is destined to become the metropolis for them all, as Ezekiel prophesied (16:61): “and I shall give them to you for daughters,” like (Josh. 15:45): “Ekron, with her towns (וּבְנוֹהֶיהָ).”

  134. Rashi’s comments on Song of Sons:

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16445/showrashi/true

  135. …also – who is Shulamit?

    There was no such woman…

    Shulamit is simply female version of name Shlomo (Solomon) … Solomon was talking about his own soul, which is feminine (soul is always feminine, while God who gave it is masculine)…

    • Thank you Gavriel,
      I am very aware of the holiness of the Song of Songs like King of Kings.
      It is love between the bridegroom and the bride.
      21 plant lives, 15 species of animal and many more metals and precious stones.

  136. First of all Marianne

    I said Enoch,not Enos’Enowsh .Enoch(Chanowk) is strong number #2585. Enos is Strong number 583. Also the word that was used in song of solomon in hebrew is shachor which literally means black and the root word means BLACK SKIN.Look it up. No white person would describe themselves this way.
    Do your research and you will find that Enoch is an Ethiopian. They have his oldest manuscript.Also according to scripture the son’s of Ham were black.
    Such as CUSH(ETHIOPIA),MIZRAIM(EGYPT),PHUT(LIBYA),AND CANAAN(ISRAEL). So what makes you think that ancient egyptians and canaanites were white when there brother was a cushite?Nimrod was the son of cush which would make him Black.Mizraim begat Philistine. Cush, and canaan are brothers so that would make them colored. No way to get around the name cush.Sorry to burst your bubble.Canaan begot Sidon Gen 10:15. The Sidonia are known as Phoenicians,Assyria and Syrians. Jacob was a Syrian Deut26:5. So this means the middle east were filled with colored people.They were children of ham.Abraham comes from Terah Gen 11:26 through shem.His land was ur which was ruled by nimrod the cushite. So I’m sure they were colored people fi Ur is lower babylon and nimrod ruled babylon as a whole. The middle east once again were filled with colored people.
    Jesus feet were the color of burnt brass. To be olive means black. There are two colors of olive. Black and green there are no brown olives nor is the juice brown. So people use that term and don’t even know it’s origin.Note the bible says as if it burned in a furnace which is past tense. Things that burn get darker and brass/bronze are already a dark color. Also white peoples hair is not white. Elderly brown people have hair that is white from aging and their hair is the texture of wool. White peoples hair would not have been compared to wool.
    Another point to make is that Paul was thought to be an Egyptian by the Romans,Why? Because he was black.Paul was from Rome so he carried roman customs and not Egyptians so don’t try to say he dressed like an Egyptian because that would be a lie.I have already showed that ham is the father of misraim who’s brother is cush who are all black.So therefore Egyptians are black and so are the Israelite.Thats why they went to Africa! NOT EUROPE to hide amongst people who look similar.

    • Earnest

      There were 2 “Enochs”

      Enoch(Chanowk)- strong number #2585 – is the son of Cain, who was cursed for his murder of Abel.

      Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

      Enoch (Enosh, Enos) – Gen 5 – is the descendant of Shem, who is the ancestor of Jesus.

      So you are implying that black people are the descendants of Cain. You are insulting black people as hopeless, wicked sinners. Hopefully, all the Cainites died in Noah’s flood.

      Kings had slaves and servants in those days. Because King Solomon had a black slave girl, does not mean he was black himself.

      Ancient drawings clearly show Egyptians as olive complexioned,,,or very light brown, as in a good suntan. Only those from Cush were black….those that live in the middle east today are descendants of those that lived there before, and they are NOT BLACK.

      • I think you ought to show us the verse that even slightly suggests that the beautiful black woman was a SLAVE. :)

        • that is just a possibility…the point was that there was nothing to imply that she was a woman of stature, like the Queen of Sheba, as you had suggested…

          she apparently worked in the court of Solomon….or the in vineyard…he saw her, he had her brought to him…this does not sound like she had a lot of authority…..hence, the suggestion that she is a slave or servant.

          also, if you look at the verse in context, it implies the color of her skin is due to being in the sun so much ( outside job)..not because she was born dark…she may could have had a dark tan, which made her different from others around there.

          Sgs 1:6 Look not upon me, because I [am] black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother’s children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; [but] mine own vineyard have I not kept.

          • Thank you for saying ‘that is just a possibility’ because there are no verses which suggests that she was a slave.
            The queen didn’t fly to Jerusalem with her spices and treasures.
            She came on the back of a camel.
            Sheba is a distance away being the modern Yemen.
            That was simply the mode of transportation in those days.

            And besides you know that no one approaches a King without being given permission. Look at the book of Esther.
            And if a queen had imported the seeds of spices maybe it would have been her good pleasure to teach how to take care of those plants.
            All these spices spoken of in the book of being discussed
            were imported.

            • The reason she thinks she was a slave is because she is black. Thats all it takes. If there is a black person in the midst htey must have been a slave.SMH

              Thats how they think.Thats their logic.lol

          • The verse says I am black. No white person’s tan is close to being black!Are you kidding me. When black people work in the field they become darker then they are. Ask the next black person you see.Matter of fact during slavery their were the house slaves and the field slaves.The field slaves were much darker because the sun was beating upon their skin.Once again a white person is trying to fit in the attributes of a black person. Also Herodotus said the Egyptians had dark skin and woolly hair. So Jesus was said to have had woolly hair and dark skin as if brass had burned in a furnace.How in the UNIVERSE DO YOU EQUATE THOSE ATTRIBUTES TO A WHITE PERSON.

      • Enos is not Enoch.Enos Gen 5:11. And all the days of Enos were 905 years and he died. Enoch didn’t die.Enoch 5:23. Wrong again.Archeology of the Canaanites show themselves as black,not what you call olive color. SO what you are saying is that Cush was the only black person?That would mean according to you that Mizraim which was called kemet,which means land of the black was white ,Canaan was white and the only black one was cush.Consider this. Abraham comes from the region of Babylon. The ruler of Babylon before Abraham was born was NIMROD.So this means this region was filled with nimrod’s people. Guess what! Nimrod’s mother was from Egypt and his father was Cush meaning he was black. So what would that had made Abraham?Hebrew was derived from the Canaanite language.Canaan was blood brothers of Egypt,Cush,and Libyan which is all African which would make them black.
        The Canaanites were Africans. When Alexander conquered Palestine they claimed the land belonged to them.Because Joshua had previously ran them out.
        For all you guys who say Egyptians were white here is historical Evidence from Herodotus that they were black.http://old.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Aabo%3Atlg%2C0016%2C001&query=2%3A104%3A2. This goes back into why Jesus and moses hid amongst the egyptians. This is a historical account that can not be disproven that the egyptians were in fact dark brown people. And only a ignorant person would think that all blacks are dark skinned. They do have many colors such as light skin which is why they call there woman red bones because they are brown with red undertones.
        For all of you who think black people are just dark click the video link.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwn4hIWGUmw.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwn4hIWGUmw. Look at this video and tell me what are they and what color are they.Since you are referencing to ancient Egyptians paintings maybe this will help you understand the multitude of colors so called black people are.Also you fail to admit that there are paintings of them with wooly hair and darker skin.You all just look at the ones where they are lighter skinned. But like I said Mizraim is the brother of Cush,and modern day cushites still resemble modern day Egyptians(the black ones and not the Arabs).

        • like I said before…

          The Jews, and Jesus, were not Egyptian, African, or Cushite…

          They were a separate people.

          Jesus did not have wooly hair…the bible says his hair was WHITE as wool.

          Haven’t you ever seen a white sheep?

          the color of the hair was WHITE….just like wool is white.

          the bible says nothing about the texture of the hair….this is simple english.

          • Now your running from the facts. Why would it compare it to wool? Because his hair looked like white wool. Meaning he was of age with woolly hair. Herod said Egyptians had woolly hair. Whether Jesus was Egyptian or not makes no difference when he hid from Herod in Egypt amongst them. So did Moses. Paul was Hebrew and he was mistaken for an Egyptian. SO what do you have to say about that? Don’t run from the questions which i have already given the answers. I provided historical proof that Egyptians were black from the man who lived during Jesus time who is considered the father of historians. All you have provided is rhetoric. Thats all you all ever provide no facts just opinions.
            Moses sister was strunken with leprosy and turned white. What color was she before?How could Moses past for pharaoh’s son for 40 YEARS?The Egyptians were black. Moses was Hebrew. WHY COULDN’T A BLACK MAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE. IF MOSSES WAS WHITE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED, DUH!You have eyes and do not see you have ears and do not hear.SMH.

            Since you seem to be missing the point pay close attention.Jesus was not Egyptian amos9(7 Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?) you are right. But he looked like one. Even the most high compared Israel to Ethiopia. They were always in Africa they never were compared to Europeans or fled there.
            There are no references to him being white. His hair was but white people’s hair usually isn’t white this is just speaking of and elderly persons hair.No white person has feet as if it burned in a furnace.And don’t try to say burnished because the scripture says BURNED.Common sense tells you he had color.

            Also olives are black and green and i know this society fooled people into thinking its a light brown color like tan. There is no such olive only black and green,and there are no green people.

            Conclusion. Egyptians had woolly hair and so did Jesus. No getting around it.

            • Jesus was not an Egyptian.

              hair was white……….so is mine….demonstrating his age….from eternity

              it NEVER said the texture was wooly…

              my exhusband has wooly hair and he is white…so that means nothing…very curley hair has a wooly look.

              7 Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel?

              God was referring to their wicked behavior

              Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt?

              Jews were exiled there for 300-400 years, and left in the exodus

              Moses sister was strunken with leprosy and turned white.

              If white people have leoprosy, it shows also

              feet as if it burned in a furnace.

              this is his glorified state in heaven

              you do not understand what “olive complexion” means….it does not mean black…look at the pictures above.

              i would suggest reading the bible more, and stop this nonsense claim about jesus being black, just to make you feel better.

              Jews were then like they are now…..they were never African, even though they were exiled in Egypt, they did not intermarry because it was forbidden to marry outside their race/religion. Plus, they were slaves, so an Egyptian would not want to marry them anyhow.

              all your reasoning is flawed….you cannot interpret obvious information correctly

              I would suggest spending more time reading the bible, and understanding the word of God, and not campaigning for an unbiblical view of Jesus

              • I understand perfectly.Why does olive mean light?What olive is light brown?None! So where did it come from. Ignorance. Just like the word Nice is not a good word.The word nice derives from the word ignorant.Definition changes with culture and as you can see everyone runs around talking about how nice things are not knowing the root of the word.
                How can you call some one olive skin complexion and there skin looks nothing like an olive?If he compared them to the ethiopians because of there wickedness why didn’t he compare them to europe or sodom or babylon for theirs?

                You keep lying about them not being black. Job 30:30.http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7835&t=KJV.

                No woolly is not pertaining to a white persons hair. Herodotus said the Egyptians had DARK SKIN AND WOOLLY HAIR.was your husband dark skin?If you didn’t know white is not a dark color so don’t respond with more ignorance.

  137. Pardon me for stepping in a moment.. Good morning :D
    Uhm, I have been reading this for a while on and off.. listening closely.. my biggest question.. maybe seem childish to anyone is.. ” Why is it that everyone bicker over Jesus Christ being black or white ? In bible have revealed excatly how he looks alike and no questions about it.. ”

    Here it says:
    Revelation 1:14-1:15 ” His head and his hair were white as white wool, white as snow; his eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined as in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of many waters. ”

    That is pretty solid words coming from bible and that is the answer.
    *sigh* If anyone really bother to stop bicker and take a real good look at the bible because the whole answers truly lay within it that can have helped everyone through in many different ways.. God’s laws.. God’s ways.. how to be parents.. and how to be good husband and wife.. and so goes on the list.
    Forgive me for speaking up.. God isn’t happy when everyone bicker over HIS coloring.. because no one wants to look at the real truth He plainly lay right under our noses, dears.
    It goes on long enough .. lol..

    Blessings.

  138. Interpretation… I can try my best. Jesus is in heaven indeed and even ever since he ascended to heaven… that is how he looks alike as of the verse in revelation… That is something we should know and recongize who he is… when he comes. Therefore, people should not be concern about human flesh coloring on Jesus.. since he is in heaven and excat as revelation said how he looks alike which part we all should focus on.. is in revelation and in daniel to connect the dots.
    Heck, I am no good with verses at all. I am better at memorizing messages or pictures in dreams than I am with numbers.. forgive me for my honesty. I only listen and learn and question God everyday when I am unsure of what others says or mean… so I was shown pictures or dreams instead of what lays ahead… like for an example: I dreamed a picture shown me few months ago about ice in east and water in west and south..
    Now what is happening… fits excat as I was shown about east turning ice… and it did.. but the water I have no idea what is the whole dots in it.. so I only did was wait and see and follow the instincts to guide me to watch all signs that matches each dreams I had since child. :)
    So, I see things different from people.. Behavior similar as anyone lol lol.. except just the insights and views of life and death and general is rather far off or different as the shrinks used to love calling me as ” fantasy world ”

    No one should worry about colors.. such a shame. We should watch for signs and heed things that is uncommon or nearly invisible to others… such as feather out of nowhere.. or.. sore or bruise from sleep.. so on.. that does not fit the ” reality ” as they love to say… so ” fantasy world ” is basically true and very much real.. I visited many times.. in youth.. but now.. I am pretty much set on the shelf gathering the dusts.. waiting.. watching… listening.. lol.. what else can I do beside raising handful teen kids ? :)

    Blessings.. big hugs to all

    • Tamera,

      you said:
      “which part we all should focus on.. is in revelation and in daniel to connect the dots.”

      And also during transfiguration on the mountain, as witnessed by Peter, James, son of Zebedee and John the Apostle;

  139. Garvriel,

    Thank you.. yes.. couldn’t put better words. :)

  140. Many scriptures are about Israel only it seems

    Matt. 15:24. “But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel”.
    Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    “Acts 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

    This is saying that the promises made to the fathers of the Israelite nation are fulfilled in the children of those fathers, that is, they are fulfilled in Israelites. There is no statement that these promises might be fulfilled in any other race.

    5. JESUS SAYS THAT THE MYSTERIES OF GOD ARE NOT GIVEN FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND

    Matt. 13:11, “He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given”.

    6. THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT THOSE WHO WERE “KNOWN” OF GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ARE THE SAME PEOPLE ARE THE “FOREKNOWN” IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

    Amos 3:1 Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, “You only have I known of all the families of the earth”.

    Rom 8:29-30″For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified”.
    Deut 10:15 etc. “Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people?”

    8. GOD MADE A COVENANT PROMISE TO ABRAHAM’S SEED THAT HE DID NOT MAKE TO OTHER SEEDS

    Gal 3:16 “Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ = anointed”.

    The word “Christ” is a verbal adjective in the Greek, and so it could not apply to the person of Jesus Christ. Israel is the anointed seed.
    10. “ADOPTION” PERTAINS ONLY TO THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL

    Rom 9:4, “Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption”?

    The meaning of adoption is the Bible means the placing of person born as a “child” [of the Children of Israel] into the position as a “son”. The word has exactly nothing to do with other races being adopted into Israel in the way the churches present.
    3. JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED TO GIVE REPENTANCE ONLY TO ISRAEL.

    Acts 5:30, “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins”?

    This does not say other races are in the same condemnation as Israelites because other races were not given the Law of God as a covenant.
    14. THERE IS NO STATEMENT TO SAY THE NEW COVENANT IS MADE WITH OTHER THAN THE TWO HOUSES OF ISRAEL

    Heb. 8:8-10Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    No other race is included. The “New Covenant” would not be “new” to any other race.
    5. THE “COVENANTS” AND THE “GIVING OF THE LAW” WERE ONLY MADE WITH ISRAEL – AND JESUS CHRIST CAME IN THE FLESH TO ISRAEL ONLY.

    Rom 9:3-5 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

    16. PEOPLE DO NOT GET “SAVED” AND BECOME GOD’S PEOPLE.

    Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    It is those who are already God’s people [Israelites] who become “saved”.
    17. THERE IS NO PROPHECY ABOUT JESUS TURNING OTHER THAN THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BACK TO GD.

    Luke 1:16 And many of the Children of Israel shall he turn to the “Lord their God”?

    Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against.

    The God of the Bible is the God of the whole world of Israel, not any other peoples.
    Levit. 20:24, “I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people”
    2 Co 6:17-18 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
    0. ONLY ISRAELITES WERE BAPTISED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

    John 1:31, “And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water”?
    21. JAMES WROTE TO ISRAELITES ONLY. (SO DID PETER).

    James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

    The word “scattered” = diaspora, and Peter wrote to, “The strangers scattered = diaspora”.

    22. JESUS VISITED AND REDEEMED “HIS PEOPLE” ONLY.

    Luke 1:68-9 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham”.

    Jesus is fulfilling the promise to Abraham and his seed. No other race could be included. “Redemption” can only apply to Israelites.

    23. NO RACE BUT ISRAEL NEEDED AND NEEDS REDEEMING.

    Psalm 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

    Isaiah 41:14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
    24. THOSE SEALED IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION WERE ALL ISRAELITES.

    Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
    5. ONLY REDEEMED ISRAELITES ARE WITHIN THE NEW JERUSALEM.

    Rev 21:10-12 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

    And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

    26. ETHNIC CLEANSING IS FOUND IN THE BIBLE.

    1 Sam 15:3 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass”.

    There are other examples like this.

    DO YOU BELIEVE THIS? YES or NO

    27. SOME RACES ARE BANNED FROM THE “HOUSE OF THE LORD” FOR ALL TIME.

    Deut 23:2-3 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

    Zech 14:21 “And in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts”- Zech. 14:21?

    The “tenth generation” is a Hebrewism meaning “for all time”.

    31. THE ARCHANGEL MICHAEL STANDS UP FOR ISRAEL.

    Daniel 12:1, “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people

    32. JESUS WAS STRICKEN ONLY FOR ISRAELITES.

    “Isaiah 53:8 “He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken”.

    “My people” refers to either Isaiah’s people or God’s people, who are Israelites.

    33. THERE ARE PEOPLE DESCRIBED AS “BEASTS” IN THE BIBLE.

    Jonah 3:8 “But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands”.

    We cannot conceive a cow crying out to God or turning to God. There is a difference between “beasts of the field” and “beasts of the earth”.

    34: GOD SAYS HE PLACES HIS NAME UPON ONLY ONE PEOPLE.

    Numbers 6:27 “And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them”.

    35. THE “THRONE OF THE LORD” IS AND IS TO BE IN JERUSALEM.

    1 Chron 29:23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.

    Jer 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations [of Israel] shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

    Matthew 18:11 “For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost (Israel).”

    Deut. 7:6 “For thou art a holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee (Israel) to be a special people unto Himself, above all people that are upon the earth.”
    II Samuel 7:24 “For thou hast confirm

    ed to thyself thy people Israel to be a people unto thee for ever, and thou, Lord, art become their God.”

  141. At the beginning of this thread you show pictures of the egyptians. You show the ones where they are light but you never showed the ones where they are darker which exist in an boundless amount.But nevertheless the picture you showed was a light skinned egyptian WITH WOOLY HAIR IN A FRO! NOT STRAIGHT LIKE A WHITE PERSON’S.Then you show arabs as if the were the original inhabitants which they are not. Thats like looking at america and saying the white man has been here and the Native americans aren’t the true americans. This is there land which has been taken from them and you can hardly find any of them on their land.It’s no different in egypt those people aren’t real egyptians they just live there.

    AshkaNAZI jews aren’t from the line of any Israelite they are just converts.How can 12 tribes all call themselves JEWS which is only one tribe?You truly don’t know what you are talking about.Gen 10:2. States that ashkanaz is a gentile. Guess what it doesn’t say ham or shem were gentiles.

    Another lie you tell is that Egyptian were not black. You are hypocrite. First you say Ham is the father of the black races then you turn around and say mizraim(Egypt)was not black.Which is it you lier?

  142. THE TRUTH!

    http://www.zimbio.com/Bible/articles/24/True+Jews+according+Bible

    http://www.hebrewisraelites.org/deut28.htm

    same color as the above egyptian so called olive

    http://www.travel-pictures-gallery.com/pics/africa2_2/afr20018.jpg

    What the second Egyptian president said about the so called jews.


    .

  143. Since you guys don’t know what OLIVES ARE AND THE SKIN TONE THAT ACCOMPANIES IT HERE ARE SOME PICTURES

    OLIVES

    http://geeftv.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/kalamata_olives_498.jpg

    OLIVE SKIN

    http://pics.boards.weddingbee.com/65808.Jada_with_straight_curls.jpg

  144. Jesus was not an Egyptian. He was a Hebrew. Hebrews were not black. It does not matter what an anti-Semitic Arab terrorist says.

    JADA is part white.

    “Olive complexion” means “tan.” light brown, not black.

    Unless you are pitch black, you have white blood in you.

    • Jesus hid with the egyptians. Moses hid withe the egyptians. Jesus wasn’t an egyptian but that shows that egyptians look similar to hebrews.

      So ham the father of the so called black race is the father of mizraim(Egypt).These are the same people that Herodotus said were DARK SKINNED AND WOOLLY HAIRED. Funny, jesus was described as bronze as if it had burned(dark skin)with white woolly hair(Elderly looking colored person). You really are showing that you may be racist because you keep ignoring the facts.
      Or maybe you don’t want to admit your WRONG.So they both are described as looking the same even though they came from a different line. I had no problem when jesus was supposedly a white man. I don’t care what his color is. I just want people to stop lying!

      Oh, and the jews won their war in six days.Which goes against deut 28:25.

      Don’t call him anti semitic because he knew the real jews which is incorrect and shows they don’t know the heritage because a benjamite or levite is not a jew.

      Who is sem?If he doesn’t exist then why are people called Semitic. If they were from shem wouldn’t they be Shemitic?unless the h is silent.Another loop hole showing the impostors.

      Semite (first used by Ger. historian August Schlözer, 1781), denoting the language group that includes Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, Assyrian, etc. In recent use often with the specific sense “Jewish,” but not historically so limited.

      Semite

      Are you a Zionist.

  145. Once again,wrong.

    You have no knowledge in this subject as I can see. Scientist have already proved white people have the recessive gene and blacks have the dominate gene.Between two parents a lighter parent can have a darker child and visa versa.
    So I guess Albino’s come about because of white blood. No they don’t.It is a lack to produce melanin. But since you are white you wouldn’t know anything about melanin because you don’t have any.
    I have no white blood in my family and me and jada are the same color.

    Oh yea, Please explain to me why her eyes are blue

    http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/uploads/temp/20060924_165313_20060729_125729.jpg

    You have alot to learn grasshopper

    You need to learn more about genealogy and the effect environment have on it.

    Question, who’s lighter Jada pinkett or will smith. Will is not biracial

    • earnest.,

      you might THINK you have no white blood in you but you do, if you look like her. Most blacks today have white in them because back in the slavery days, the white male owners would mate with the black female slaves.

      She has blue eyes because she is part white.

      If you want to see a pure black person, you have to go back to Africa. Almost all blacks in the USA are hybrids.

      Everyone has melanin. BLacks have the most. Asian peoples have less, and white people have the least amount. But they all have it in different amounts.

      • Actually that black girl had a recessive gene. That why she had blue eyes. It shows a lack of being able to produce color in the eyes. She was a pure african.

        Every person who was in slavery was not raped.You really think that the masters were raping every single girl. They may have picked the best looking one but not everyone.

        Also color is determined by your position on the planet closer or further from the sun.

        There is no such thing as race. It is a new concept that never existed in the past. Made up fictional.

        Real Jews

        That president was an Arab. Semite refers to Arabs also not just Jews. It has to do with language similarity not blood line

  146. Marianne,

    Hi hope you are well.

    The white male would ‘mate’ with the black female slave?

    Cannot we call rape, rape?

    Love,

    John

    • true

      which is why we see so much “brown” and “tan” now in the “black” community.

    • White people come from black people according to science. So why do you think that every brown person has white blood?

      The black gene can produce light skin,blue,gray eyes and dark skin,straight hair because it is dominate.

      The white gene can not produce dark skin and woolly hair because it is the recessive gene.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NK6F5us17c&feature=related

      • your video prooves that

        1 there is as much variation in black africans as there is in asians or whites

        2. humans, cows and mice have the same sequence for skin color. So I guess we “evolved” from cows

        3. prooves what I told you…..we all have the same gene for color…it just depends on how much gets expressed.

        4. there is no biological basis for race….which blows your theory that blacks are the biological basis for everyone else.

  147. People need to understand that due to MIXING egyptians have light skin and sometimes look white but EGYPTIANS ARE BLACK. THE ORIGINAL ANCIENT EGYPTIAN LOOKS BLACK AND IS OF AFRICAN DECENT. EUROPEANS MADE ART WORK TO LOOK LIKE WHITES BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT TO SHOW THE TRUTH. THAT IS WHY THEY CHOPPED OFF THE EGYPTIAN ART/PYRAMIDS NOSES BECAUSE IT SHOWED A BLACK NOSE. THIS WORLD IS SO HATEFUL AND CAUCASIONS ARE THE LEAST RACE THAT SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY. CAUCASIONS SHOULD JUST SAY SORRY TO EVERY OTHER RACE DUE TO THE CRUEL THINGS THAT WERE DONE. WHITES LIVE IN AMERICA WHICH IS A LAND THAT WASNT AND ISNT EVEN THEIRS. THEY TAKE CREDIT FOR EVERYTHING AND ITS SAD.

    • Funny thing is I Know of black kings and rulers in Europe but i don’t stress it. It’s hard enough to get people to admit that Egyptians were black. Even their art shows them as dark and light but they always choose the light one and say they were white. But when you look at their hair it’s the same as all the other black people.
      They have many statues of black leaders in rome and europe but guess what. That nose is chopped off.LMAO

      I have a book that i made that observation with. The man who was white were in perfect shape but the statues that look like they could have been black all had their noses chipped and everything else was perfect.

      • Jesus was not an Egyptian. He was a Hebrew, a descendant of Shem, not Ham.

        • Egyptian Look Like Hebrews.Egyptians were black. So were hebrews. Paul was mistaken for an egyptian when he himself was a roman. So paul didn’t get mistaken for a white person(roman)he got mistaken for a black person(hebrew).
          Acts 13:1 1In the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. Called niger because he was the darkest hebrew.

          • The Egyptians looked then like they do now – not black.

            Egyptians were not black.

            Paul was never mistaken for an Egyptian.

            Antioch was a gentile province. Simeon was a gentile convert, not a Hebrew. Niger is his surname, just as Smith would be the surname of John Smith.

            Even if Simeon was black, he was not a Hebrew. He was a gentile convert form Greece.

            • Wow once again You are wrong. If paul was not mistaken then I would not have said it. You guys really show how much you know. Maybe before you speak on a subject You should thoroughly research it.Just some advice.Also maybe you just need to admit that you don’t know everything.

              Acts 21:37 Read it

              The proof http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2021:37-39&version=NIV

              Another thing you didn’t know was that crete is where paul is from.The inhabitants there were black and rome later conquered it.The cretes were descendent’s of sidonians if i am correct.I may be wrong.

  148. Adam and Eve and life began in North Africa. They were black skinned people. The further homosapiens moved away from the equater in search for greener pastures, the lighter their skin got. Add all colours together in the colour spectrum and you will get black not white. Europeans originated in Greece and the Greece copied everything out of Africa (Egypt). The Egyptians you see today are mixed blood, paler skinned Arabs, not the dark skinned, broad nose, original Moors. The Father of All Nations, Abraham’s first child was half African. Ishmael had daughters who intermarried with their cousins from Issac. Moses married an Ethiopian and so did Solomon. Songs of Solomon is dedicated to the Queen of Sheba a Moor.

    The bible has been carefully orchestrated to promote the Zionist movement. A race of people with no true origination. I can not trust a book to predict my future when it’s geneology of my ancestors is deficient of menalin, the etheric makeup of the multiverse. It’s bananas.

  149. Several Bible scriptures proves Jesus and the JEWS where black.
    01 These scriptures mention brass skin (to dark for middle eastern).

    02 Judges 16:19,1 Timothy 2:9,1 Peter 3:3 mention braids, that is a black characterist.

    03 Daniel 7:9 hair like wool. That is a black characteristic.

    04 They mention inflamed “members” that is a black male reputation.

    05 They mention breast like a goats breast. That is a black female characteristic.

    06 Leviticus 13:37 mention black hair as a sign of not having the skin or leper infection that eliminates a lot of white ethnic people.

    07 They mention you will be carried off as slaves (this would be after Jesus death) that eliminates almost all races except black and east Indian on a large scale.

    08 The scriptures mentioned people will hate you all over the world, that happens to blacks all over the world.

    09 The scriptures mentioned you will be poor, and wanting, and opressed (that is not a current isreal claim anyone can make).

    10 Matthew 5:36 jews hair was either white or black (obviously depending on age).

    There are many scriptures that prove Jesus was black, your just ignoring them.

  150. Did you know that the name “Adam” means “red-brown” this is the reason why the vast majority of people in the world are brown, red-brown, or yellow-brown and outnumbers the “whites” better than five to one. They outnumber the blacks ten to one. The Lord ( being a Shemite/Jew) is “red brown.” In the Song of Sol.(5:10-12 KJV) this verse says, ” My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven. His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set. Note: the word “white” was removed out of Song of Sol 5:10, in the newer bibles (NIV, NLT,NAB) because the word “white” is offensive to international race mixers.

    Ham is African , Japheth is European. Shem is Asian.

    Adam and Eve did not build there life in North Africa. “Eden” is plainly “the Middle East.” Boundaries are found in Gen.13:10,15; Amos 1:5, Isa. 51:3 and 2Kings 19:12. The land areas cover from somewhere around Haran, on the Euphrates River, down the Nile River, across Saudi Arabia to Kuwait and Bozrah, and back up the Euphrates River.

    Ham means “swarthy, burnt, or heat.” His descendants gravitate toward the equator in either hemisphere. Japheth means “extension” so it was Japheth who moved out over the entire globe and came even to control the governments of China and Southeast Asia(Gen.9:27) Shem means “celebrity” All religions come from Shem. The Bible come from Shem, and salvation is because your Saviour is a Shemite/Jew celebrity — King of kings, and Lord of lords

    • What do you mean that the black are outnumbered by reddish brown people. You are sadly mistaken.Whites are the only race who can’t produce color.It’s Scientifically proven. Yes Eden was in mesopatamia. Do you know the color of the people who populated that area?They were not white nor were they the color of modern middle easterns.

      When the turks invaded is when they became as light as they are now which she shows at the beginning of the blog.Interesting thing is my brother is the same complexion and I am not.But yet the ignorant world calls us black people.We are brown not black.We have more shades then any of you. We can produce whites whites can not produce blacks.

      Now, you mentioned david but did you know that the term race was no exist back then. That term is only a few hundreds years old. And as long as you keep looking at the world in racist European eyes you will never see the truth. There is no such thing as race.

      The middle east was populated by what you would call blacks,but they are not black they are brown. You do not see many black people walking the earth,and if you do then you need your eyes checked or you don’t know your colors.

      The middleeast was inhabited by Shemites and Hamites.Cush father of nimrod.so called BLACK. Where did nimrod rule hmmm.Babylon which is Iraq which is where they claim Eden is. Cush brother is canaan which means he is so called black like his other brother mizraim which is egypt.So canaan was black,babylon was black,egypt was black,brown and this is the majority of the population in the middle east.

      Look at the indians. They are darker then those you call black.They do not look like white people and they are an indenginous group.They are proof of the original color of the people who populted that are.

      Now you say the word white was removed but in my bible it’s still their. There is no reason to remove the word white because in hebrew it does not mean color.

      Here is the proof since I always provide proof and those who try to disprove me never do.

      http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H6703&t=KJV

      So it means in Hebrew 1) dazzling, glowing, clear, bright.

      The word that mean white is Leban http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3836&t=KJV

      Now answer me this. If the hebrews were not black then explain why simeon was called a niger and he was a hebrew teacher at the temple. http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3526&t=KJV

    • Explain Simeon who was an Israelite teacher being called a Niger.

      Also go to strong’s concordance and look at the passage your referring to. The word white mean brilliant to shine. In hebrew the word for white is Leban which has to do with color.So in that passage white means to shine not a color Sorry try again. :(

      You must have forgot what burnt brass looked like Huh?You don’t seem to be able to comprehend that anything that is burnt is darkened not lightened and brass is already brown and not white.You don’t seem to comprehend that olives are black and green and not light brown like the idiotic populous thinks it is and don’t know where the term originated from.

      Like the word nice it originally meant ignorant. Now everyone has excepted it as a compliment.SMH

    • hi KY

      Thanks for providing the bible references on this. Jesus was not a descendant of Ham, Negroes, or Africans.

      • HI Marianne

        Thanks for providing bible references on this.Jesus was Not white, Caucasian or a descendant of Japhet.

        Shem was not white. Shem was considered asain. The first asians were brown skin people.They lived in the middle east with other brown skin people such as nimrod.NImrod was not white.

        Sorry but white people did not rule the world.Nor was jesus white.You live in a delusional universe where you constantly lie to yourself to please yourself.

        • dear earnest.

          I never said he was white…..I said he was not black.

          • Sorry but lamentations 5:10 says our skin was black like an oven because of the famine.

            Have you ever seen an oven. The inside is black because of heat and the oven is black itself. Have you ever seen starving Ethiopians and how dark they are?

            Once again this can’t be used to describe light white people.Sorry.

            How much longer can you lie to yourself.

            Are you even looking for the truth or do you just want to appease yourself. Do you ever admit to being wrong and change your ways or are you stubborn adamant and continue in error. Thats no way to live kadesh life.

      • Watch this I am about to prove you wrong again with your false history.Oh and you didn’t address the scripture i put up where Paul was mistaken for an Egyptian.Why not.

    • Josephus stated that the israelites ran to africa after the temple was destroyed.Why would they run to africa again?HMMM why didn’t they run to rome. Africa is no better then Rome when it comes to genocide and murdering people so peace is not the answer.

      During that time the arab slave trade was going on so they fled to west africa. They are recorded in the records of ghana and other countries there. Those people then sold the hebrews into slavery which is how you get black slaves in america.

      Have you seen the movie amistad.let me post a clip on how hollywood knows the truth.

  151. This what canaanites look like. No where near white.Middle easterns are brown people.

  152. These people know the history of their land not the WHITE MAN.

  153. White Jews are imposter’s.They come fro Khazar!Khazar are gentiles.So stop perpetrating a lie on this blog.Those jews in Israel are fake and the Palestinians will never let them live in peace because it is there land.The Jews are fake hints their name Jews.If they were true descendant’s they would be Israelites. Because a benjamite is not a jew.

    You white people have destroyed the history of the world. You even claim you discovered america.A land that was already known about by the Egyptians the Hebrews and was inhabited by certain tribes of Israelites. Did you know WHITE MAN that the native Americans your people slaughtered spoke HEBREW?

    They had the ten commandment written in stone.So called blacks,Native americans,and latino’s are isrealites not europeans who have almost a non existant history of being enslved.

    Where is you 400 years of slavery,and constantly losing wars,losing children,being a curse word in the field and home as DEUT 28 says would happen. Where is your heart failure(heart attack).The bible doesn’t lie!

    Blacks are the only ones who fit the curses in deut 28 no white man fits it so stop the non sense.You have Rome. Go back to it and stop stealing other nations history.

    Oh I forgot thats what Romans do DUH!

  154. Earnest,

    Hi hope you are well. Yes many people live in delusional worlds of their own choosing. Hopefully they will wake up before it is too late!

    The color of Jesus’ skin is a reality. Of course history is a tangle weave of half truths, lies and truths. Also there are unknowns. Ultimately for salvation the skin color of Jesus does not matter. My skin color will be a darker blue in heaven with purplish tints God willing.

    Please elaborate on the Native Americans are descendants from the Hebrews. My immediate thoughts are to reject this notion but I am willing to hear your evidence.

    Of course Columbus didn’t discover America. The deep racist overtones in that statement are unfortunately lost on some of my fellow ‘white’ people.

    Love,

    John

    • hi john,

      There are some groups of Indians, like your friends, that say they have no connection with ancient Hebrews. These are out west.

      There are some, like the Cherokee, that seem to think they have an Israelite connection.

      In either case, the native Americans are not black, but light brown/white in skin color.

    • I will provide a few links for you to look at and come to your own conclusion.

      Note:My god father and god sister are native american and so is my great great grandfather and I can not tell the difference between them and blacks.If he didn’t wear his hair in a pony tail I would think he is black.

      This site has native american artifacts.I actually read about these artifacts when I was researcher the corrupt government and ancient technology. I heard about how Columbus and others he was with knew the Natives were the lost tribes.

      http://www.quietbuck.com/

      Click on the Tab at the top that says N.America YHWH

      On the right there will be a tab that says stone,dna etc .click there and that should be enough to start you off.

      That should be enough for now.

      Notice the differnece between me and others on this blog. I don’t provide Rhetoric, I provide proof,artifacts,historical accounts and books.They just talk.

  155. Earnest,

    Song of Solomom 5:10-11 gives a physical description of Jesus Christ.
    He is “white” meaning ( OPPOSED to “black,” Song of Sol.1:5 KJV).and he is ” Ruddy ” (red-brown the original color of Adam, see Gen.2:7). Jesus did not resemble the red-haired Irishman and Jesus is not a descendant of “African race.”

    Also, I never stated that “burnt” is lightened and “brass” is white.

    I am also aware that olives come in different colors. Like black to black-purple, med-green and brown to brown-green and brown-green-black.

    And the word “white,” I found to be removed from (NIV,NLT,NAB). And your right when you said, ” There is no reason to remove “white.” out of that verse. God’s words should never be changed or removed to fit mans opinions.

    In all seriousness about what Jesus looked like. It really doesn’t matter to me. He is my Savior who didn’t deserve to die on the cross for my “Sins” All this talk about skin color and race is “vanity.” The world (every man)is so set in their heart of how to to make a living and how to enjoy living in this world, that eternity is the last thing with which they are concerned about. Man’s nature hasn’t changed since Adam. It is an “earthy nature that is described as “dead,” sinful, disobedient, and under God’s wrath (Eph.2:1-3). For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not (Ecc.7:20).

    Thank you LORD. For your real beauty is what he did on the cross for all my sins.

    KY/Shemite-oriental

  156. As for Khasar/gentiles I think you might agree with ernest if you remember this episode …

    • This occurred when West Bank Jews fought against being removed from their homes, and a fight broke out. The settlers started the fighting. However, Medical teams were brought in and cared for anyone hurt.

      http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3209330,00.html

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amona

    • Dear Everyone

      You see people have been fooled into thinking this is about color.The reason knowing the truth about his color is important is so no one will be deceived.When some white guy with long hair named jesus says Hi I’m jesus. You need to say Hey zeus be gone. Because his name was not jesus nor was he white.That is the image and name of the anti christ. Yahuwshua was a brown man

      For you who think jews are white when the 3rd temple is built you most likely be the ones fooled into worshiping satan at the next temple.The blashpemy of those who say they are jews and are the synogoge of satan.

      His color is important and so is his true Hebrew name. His name does not change.

      The holocaust lasted 4 years compared to slavery that lasted alone in america 2-3 hundred years and went on in Africa earlier during the Arab slave trade which is how the Israelites got to west Africa and got captured and sent to america.

      Also that little piece of land is not the biblical israel. Israel is owned by the rothchild/rockefellas . The holocaust didn’t happen as told and they use that to claim the land.The 1st Egyptian president said you left black and returned white.You are impostor and will never find peace in this land.

      They know white Jews are fakes.

  157. Here is a picture of black people who’s genes have mutated and gave them blonde hair.They are australians. They are not mixed with white.

    http://www.patrickgeorgephoto.com/images/aussie-kids1.jpg

  158. another of blonde hair black people.The same complexion as me.

  159. heres another link from some racist people

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Vanuatu_blonde.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D233200%26page%3D51&usg=__Sx5sHqEfJ_zJgtGQHggnRC1r-H0=&h=1200&w=803&sz=130&hl=en&start=4&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=uRAKdSMETlXfNM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dblack%2Bpeople%2Bblonde%2Bhair%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26um%3D1

  160. Excerpts from native american legends about the Messiah prophet who visited them:

    http://www.wolflodge.org/sananda/walked-america.htm

    the light hair of the Pale God,

    the Pale God spoke to the assembled nations

    Great One clothed in gold light

    a friendly greeting was given by the Pale Heawahsah,

    the Prophet was not a short man, but neither was He as tall as the chieftain. The Seneca, seeing that he was the tallest, and could look over the light hair of the Pale God, rose and waited to speak

    These legends were told by the fireside of a “saintly white teacher,” who performed miracles with healing and control over the winds, waters, and other natural items. All describe his eyes as gray-green like the ocean and told stories of the future. His symbol has been woven into blankets, carved on canyon walls, put on pottery and danced in dances. His name has been given to mountains and rivers.

    the Healer was troubled by the events of the future. His twelve disciples (all tribes say he chose twelve for his special training!)

    To them, He was known as Chee-Zoos, the Dawn God,

    the prisoner that was still alive called to Chee-Zoos and asked to be released. The Healer told the man he was free and to walk from the fire

    Chee-Zoos, God of the Dawn Light,

    “pale Great Master.”

    He gave them their rite of baptism and purification

    He asked them to smoke the Peace Pipe, filled with tobacco and cedar shavings, and to blow the smoke to the four directions making the sign of the Great Cross, which is a holy symbol.

    this does not sound like a black man

    • Your exactly right it doesn’t sound like a black jesus.It sounds like the anti christ that Yahuwshua said would enter the earth and that existed many anti christ even when he was here. You have the greeks with their story of apolonious story parallel the biblical story and miracles. That story sound like what I read about the pale people from atlantis.

      They called him che zoos/hey zues false name.

      His name was Yahuwshua and the natives spoke hebrew so that tells me exactly who that guy was.

      So you are saying that GOD wants us to smoke tobacco?

      You do know the cross is a pagan symbol.There is so many red flags in that story its funny.

      • well, you said the native americans were hebrews….so that is their prophet… who is white.

        • You’ve never heard of false prophets?You never heard of the atlatians?They were the same white people and their story is nearly the same of what you posted down tothe way they look.

  161. and another

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/SolomonIslands/TheSolomonIslandsAndItsPeople/FairHairedMalaitanKidWithTattoo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D7589838&usg=__SpQy6rI17FJFMv6ex8KRPTmpPGM=&h=700&w=523&sz=69&hl=en&start=6&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=fB8EzL49qXJunM:&tbnh=140&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dblack%2Bpeople%2Bblonde%2Bhair%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26um%3D1

    http://www.joy2day.com/fashion-and-showbiz/men-corner/hair-styles/black-man/images/African%20American%20men%20short%20Hair%20Style,%20Ice%20blonde.jpg

  162. Here is another video that will put a nail in your Jews are white theory.

  163. This what the middle east looked like. Not those false modern day images you posted at the top.

    Thats like saying white people are the original Americans With all their statues and coins.But where is the evidence that says native Americans are the original inhabitants?

    • no proof in these videos that jews were black. I do not see any negroes.

      If blacks were the original jews, all of africa would be jewish and practice Judaism.

      But africa practices voodoo and Islam instead.

      Jews practice Judaism.

      that is how you tell a real jew.

      • No proof? No negroes. You are such a blind bat.Who do you think these people are in the videos. They are black people.Are you a fool. The first video I posted which is above these two show the roman catacombs. It shows where the ancient Jews and Christians buried their dead. And you are going to sit here and lie like you don’t see the black paintings in the catacombs of people with dark skin and woolly afro hair?

        In the bible where were the Israelites? They were in Africa. Where did they always run to?Africa. You know nothing of the Asiatic black man because you are a brain washed lying racist bigot!

        Their are many Jewish and Christian Africans. You just made a foolish statement. You minus well be a skin head because you continue to show pure ignorance.

        The video above your comment show the Assyrians conquering the Israelites and hanging them on poles.Did you see their hair. If you didn’t notice they have short afro’s and some with braids. Their hair isn’t straight it in kinky and curly.

        By the way following the Talmud like the fake Jews do is not how you tell the real Jew.

        Keep living your lie. I know the truth.I don’t expect a white person to be truthful. If they were I would be surprised.They claimed they discovered america and made the majority a minority. When historians look back on america how will they be able to tell native Americans were here first.Or will they just say white people originated there like they always do. All Yall do is LIE!lol

        it’s sad.

      • Or maybe you didn’t hear about the limba tribe who resisde in africa. If you know anything,then you should know that after the temple was destroyed once again the Israelites fled to AFRICA!Most went to west africa a few years before the slave trade.

        Now the people you are defending as Jew come from khazaria and according to history it didn’t record them coming from khazar. which is a gentile nation according to Gen:10 which is Germany.So once again i am more historical factual then you are.

        Oh and you still haven’t commented on Paul being mistaken for an Egyptian by a roman when Paul himself was from Crete.I’m still waiting on your rebuttal. Or are you ignoring it because you have none.

        • why don’t you provide the bible reference for Paul being an Egyptian?

          • Acts 21:37-40 (King James Version)

            37And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?

            38Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?

            39But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

            40And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,

            Now explain to me why they would mistake a Hebrew who is from Crete which is under Rome for an Egyptian. Could it be that like moses and Yahuwshua he was black like the Egyptians?

            Oh and what exactly is a Negro. You use that word but do you even know what it means and how long it’s been around. Racism by color line didn’t come into existence until after the renaissance.

            Lower Europe was black,the middle east was black and so was africa and parts of asia.

            Is a Dark skinned Indian A Negro?

          • What does Negro mean to you?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runoko_Rashidi

  164. I do not agree with this video … perhaps because I don’t care for DNA classification of identity … reminds me a bit of Hitler … but for the purpose of the discussion I am posting this video …

    • If a prophet went to khazar and converted their king is it hard to believe that the israleites may have settled in Germany and mixed with khazars. The very word ashkanazi means GERMAN.

      Yea this is similar to what Hitler and evolution promotes when they say genes make you smart or better looking or athletic.

      So both Lemba and askhanzi jews have the gene.Well that goes into what I was saying about the ancients not separating people by color but by nation. Meaning you could have been a white Egyptian and you would not be singled out because of your skin color because that is your nationality.They didn’t look at color. That color line is only a few hundred years old.

      Also if I understand the video right, Didn’t the black lemba have a higher percent then the ashkanzi?@ 3:28 it show that 53.9 percent had the gene and the Khazars were 15.0.

      So doesn’t that means that the black tribe had stronger genes and evidence that they were Israelites.I’m not excluding the khazars.

      • You have understood well and what you say is true.
        The tribes of Israel were dispersed across the world.
        The gene looked at in DNA research is the cohen gene.
        53.9% of the DNA makeup of the Lamba male tribe …
        the women have a slightly lower % …

  165. Earnest

    If “white” Jews are only converts from Europe, then why isn’t there a history of blacks there, that did the converting? The answer is that there isn’t, because the white Jews are not converts.

    ALL the white Jews can prove who they are by DNA.

    Only one small tribe of blacks can prove this by DNA, so they only represent a minority of real Jews. This is most likely by intermarriage with the local black negro population.

    One tribe does not represent ALL jews from 2000- 3000 years ago.

    The Romans were referring to Paul’s nationality and citizenship, not his skin color. Egyptians were not black, but copper colored, as people are from the middle east. Asphardic Jews are copper colored or tan, but not black. If the Romans had confused Paul with a black African negro, then you would have a case. Romans also had black slaves, so they knew the difference.

    Outside of that one isolated tribe, there is no primary history of Judaism in Africa. If black jews had spend 3000 years in africa then the whole continent would have been Jewish by now, but it isn’t.

    in the pictures – yes, most are black negroes, or indians. But indians are not negroes. They are a different race.

    You might consider getting your own blog and posting all this there.

    • You are a very dishonest person.

      This video is an modern day eyptian that you have pictures of admitting that she comes from black people.

      In this video this woman admits that you are being racist

      These are african with slim noses

      This video show the foolishness of white people who refuse to acknowledge Egyptians were black

      For those who actually want the truth

  166. This video shoes what you are doing.

    This is science that All races come from blacks.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/97179615.html

    So once again when you say negro. What the hell do you mean?

    Here is the asiatic black man. Black aboriginals in asia with woolly hair. What your racist self would call negro.

  167. black people with white features are mullatoes.

    egyptians are not negroes.

    they are a different race of people.

    Egyptians are not hebrews (jews).

    the sphinx is not a negro.

    jews were not africans.

    you are submitting non-relevant videos.

    all you are proving is that black people lived in africa. we already know that.

    • You keep telling me who are not Negroes.Then who are negroes? What is a negro?

      This is an egyptian.
      http://www.imanbeauty.com/images/template/model1.jpg

      You have yet to define what a negro is.Herod said the egyptians are black skinned people with wooly hair.

      http://old.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Aabo%3Atlg%2C0016%2C001&query=2%3A104%3A2

      For it is plain to see that the Colchians are Egyptians; and what I say, I myself noted before I heard it from others. When it occurred to me, I inquired of both peoples; and the Colchians remembered the Egyptians better than the Egyptians remembered the Colchians; [2] the Egyptians said that they considered the Colchians part of Sesostris’ army. I myself guessed it, partly because they are dark-skinned and woolly-haired; though that indeed counts for nothing, since other peoples are, too; but my better proof was that the Colchians and Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only nations that have from the first practised circumcision.

      So please explain why you think Egyptians are Arab. This just shows your ignorance of the Greek invasion,Roman invasion,and turk invasion.

      http://old.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Aabo%3Atlg%2C0016%2C001&query=2%3A104%3A2

      P.S Herod was alive before the birth of Jesus. Above is the link to his book. He said Egyptians were dark skinned with wholly hair. So Once again what is a Negro. The Egyptians would fit the description of negro DARK AND WHOLLY HAIR.LMAO.

      You are either in total denial or total ignorance.

      And I will be waiting for you to address what Herodotus said about the Egyptians features.I also would like you to define what is a Negro. Because you call black people with straight hair Caucasoid which is ignorant because i have people in my family with straight hair.They are not white they are black.Thats just a system you white people set up to steal peoples identities.

      Now that Herod said the Egyptians were black with wholly hair. That would mean apostle Paul was black since the romans said he was an Egyptian. Paul didn’t have Egyptian customs. Nowhere in the bible can you prove Paul was in Egypt. Paul was from Roman province. He grew up Roman. He was mistaken for an Egyptian because he was black And Egyptians were black. Paul was an Israelite which mean they were black too.

      You are just in denial.Ha HA!.LOL!

      Once again what is a Negro?Is it dark skin woolly hair?

      Please define. Either way you loose.

  168. you are continuing to prove that jews were not black africans.

    There is nothing in black ancient history that suggests Judaism.

    Reincarnation is not Judaism. It is paganism.

  169. This shows the black messiah in India. The earliest paintings of Hebrews were black. I posted the roman catacomb video that shows the black paintings in the jew grave yard. But i’m sure you just ignored it.

  170. According to this, Jews (haplotype K, Q) existed BEFORE africans

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup

    Haplotypes, A,B,E (Africans)are more recent developments.

    • I already know about civilization coming from the mesopatamia and not Africa.For instance Egypt and Ethiopia on a ancient map resides in the middle east.Why because the black people ruled in the middle east which i have stated before that cush, Canaan, Nimrod,philistine,mizraim are North Africa and middle east. They are the children of ham. Ham is one of the fathers of the black race. So therefore the middle east was populated by black people.

      Calling everyone Africans is racist colonization. SO you will never get it because you think like your forefathers who colonized. You don’t know how to Acknowledge different nations.You call black people with straight hair Caucasoid. They have no ancestors near the caucus mountain so they can’t be Caucasoids.

      You do know thats a wiki link. How valid is that.

      To say that Jews predate Africans is biblically in correct.

      There weren’t any So called Jew till after Jacob. That his promise and seed line. So what were the people on earth then if your link is correct. Answer the direct question.

  171. Oh and you didn’t speak on the lemba tribe.

    They have 50 percent of pure israelite blood vs 15 percent of white people with the blood.

    Therefore they retained damn near the same features and are The israelties. So your jews are white theory is shattered.They have 15 percent black blood in them. The lemba are 50 percent.

    Oh but let me guess the lemba aren’t negro’s huh?So please define negro.

    • you statistics are fabricated. Modern white cohen jews are over 50-53% with the cohen gene. Also, not all jews were cohens, only descendents of Aaron.

      you know nothing of jews or judaism.

      So some ISraelites came in and took black wives? now the lemba are descendents of the marriages. But test the women. they are 0 % jewish.

      Paul was not black. The romans never said he was black or had wooley hair.

      That model you showed a picture of is not black. She is mullato, a mix of black and white.

      Herod was an Edomite, or descendent of Esau. Esau was Jacob’s brother, ancestor of Jews. Since they were brothers, they would have been the same skin color.

      Paul, as a Jew, would have had the same skin color as Herod.

      • Excuse me … but …
        Esau was red and hairy
        Jacob was without bodily hair …
        Smooth … example no beard, no chest hair etc.
        Esau on the other hand was covered with hair down to his hands and fingers.
        That is what the Scriptures says.
        The white race that I know of … men and some women have facial hair.
        When we look at example ‘the native of america’ their men and women
        have no facial hair.
        I don not know about the black race.

  172. Why is it that the middle easterns know the truth but you don’t. Here it is an Iranian woman admits the israelites are the black because she know the history.

    I posted videos above that show people in Africa and Libya saying they learned the same thing. But yet you learned in america something different. Your forefathers are nothing but lier and so are most of your scientist.

  173. Iranians and arabs hate the jews. Why listen to them?

    Why do you wish for blacks to the jewish when they had no history of contributing anything to Judaism?

    why isn’t Africa practicing Judaism, since you think Jews are blacks/negroes?

    you want credit for being jewish, yet have never practiced the faith, or contributed anything toward the faith.

    Negro means black.

    most modern africans are a mix of black and white now, because of intermarriage.

    you are spamming this site. I will have to close it for now.

  174. [...] and his voice was like the noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory. Of course, there're others disagreeing with the idea that Yeshua had dark skin or brownish/reddish skin. for others, having broze/radiant skin is seen more so as a sign of God's glory. Moses was changed [...]

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