Woman on Eagles Wings
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During Jacob’s trouble, there is a massive evacuation of the Jews, who are carried into the wilderness, while a remnant, most likely the IDF- military, are left behind to fight.
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The rescue effort
Israel is rescued taken by eagles wings into the wilderness during the tribulation.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
The “earth” helps her when Satan spews out a flood against her.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
This remnant is seen clearly in Zechariah. The Lord saves the tents of Judah first, then the rest of the Israeli remnant second.
Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify [themselves] against Judah.
Zec 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
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So where does Israel really getting this help? Where is the wilderness?
Option #1
The traditional thinking points to Petra, because it is nearby. I do not think all of Israel will fit in it, however.
Think about it. Petra, Jordan is still really close to Israel.
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Option #2
There is much discussion about the fall of America, and how it will not be around during the tribulation.
But, maybe it really is around.
America is falling right now, and is headed for a collapse, just like every other nation on earth. America has harmed Israel, and it deserves this punishment.
America might end up a wilderness after a civil or national war.
But suppose it is not over yet for America.
Suppose it has one more job to do for God, before the saints are taken away.
Suppose it redeems itself by helping Israel.
Half of the Jews in the world already live in America.
Just suppose…….that the “eagles wings” refer to the greatest airlift in the history of the world.
Just suppose…….that the “eagles wings” refer to the eagle, symbol of America.
America may have fallen, but it is still there, and its “wilderness” opens itself to Israel in a national act of redemption.
America “swallows up the flood” poured out by the serpent.
A massive airlift of the Israeli citizens occurs to bring them to the “wilderness” of America.
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Option # 3
Some escape to Petra, and some escape to America.
Those in America will help the Israelis find refuge.
The Israeli military remains behind to fight.
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Once the Messiah shows up to rescue those in Jerusalem, everyone is free to return home.
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What do you think?
I thought the same thing regarding the eagles’ wings being America..
I agree, its America, although some may also escape to Petra. In revelation, Jerusalem is the woman the harlot of Babylon, and she shall have an airlift I believe.
The woman in Revelation 12 is a church – God’s church – his true (remnant) church.
Judaism is no longer His church. That changed when the “man-child (Jesus) was born in Revelation 12:5:
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.
She is not a city and not the Jews.
Revelation 12 is completed, not future prophecy. The woman (true church) was protected from the Holy Roman Empire and its pagan practices by meeting in caves high up in the mountains of Europe (where eagles nest). They were heavily persecuted by the popes throughout the reign of the Holy Roman Empire.
These churches are now free to spread the prophetic word before Christ returns.
Only Zechariah (Old Testament) refers to the jews. He does not refer to a woman, so he does not mean a church.
These two prophecies are completely different and should not be mixed together.
hi James
In your viewpoint, how does the church woman give birth to Jesus, when Jesus chronologically preceded her, and he actually gave birth to her?
The woman with 12 stars has a dual meaning. She begins as Judaism where the stars represent the 12 tribes. She gives birth to the messiah and she becomes Christians, with the stars representing the 12 apostles.
You must remember that the “church” is simply God’s true people. Were not the apostles Jewish? Weren’t they the new church? The Jews were all supposed to believe that their messiah had come, in which case Judaism would simply have evolved into messianic Judaism.
But that didn’t happen and there was a split, but the true church stayed with the Jewish disciples and evolved into Christianity, picking up Roman paganism in the process, unfortunately.
So now the two religions are different and separate and for the most part, neither are the true church.
Messianic Jews are probably as close to the original apostolic church that you can find today with a few Christian exceptions, all of them sabbath-keepers of course, as were the Jews that started the new church.
This is what the Book of Revelation is all about – how the new church was born but then went pagan (except for the remnant) and will have to be corrected before Christ returns to marry it. He will not accept any pagan practices in His bride, including Sunday worship, celebrating Christmas and Easter etc. It all has to go. Do you think you could talk Him into keeping these things?
If so you need to give us all a script so we can help you convince him.
And just imagine how much church crap the Catholics are going to have to explain and justify. They are the whore, but they have many harlot daughters.
They will all be cleansed before His return.
Its all about the church, not any countries. Revelation 12 is history, not future. It is fulfilled prophecy. It was partially fulfilled when John wrote it. He needed to tell it as a precursor to the rest of the prophecy which is also almost completely fulfilled.
But like the Jews of Jesus’ time, most Christians have missed all this. I hope that many of you have not.
the real congregation is not the gentiles who eat pig, worship x-mas trees, and follow the pope instilled sun-day worship. The true remnant is those TORAH observant Messianic followers of YESHUA “jesus”. The disgusting picture of the woman with most of her boosom exposed in the artwork of this page is like the church. thinking they have the truth but have none. The churches transgression make ancient Israels look like nothing. http://www.bethgoyim.org for the truth.
Dear Messianic rabbi Andrew
I agree with a lot of what you say, but I do not understand how you could view the picture of the woman presented as “disgusting.” I chose this picture because she looked modest, spiritual, gentle, and beautiful. Her bosom is covered. Maybe you are looking too hard.
Messianic Rabbi Andrew stated: “The disgusting picture of the woman with most of her boosom exposed in the artwork of this page is like the church. thinking they have the truth but have none. ”
Have you read the Songs of Solomon? Are you going to fuss at G-D for what was written on those pages!WOW!
With all due respect, I do not see anything wrong with the picture of the lady on this page-nor am I offended by it-it does make me wonder as to where your “mind really is” for you to “see” something that truly isn’t even there!
Well, marianne, here we go again…where is the Religious Spirit 101 post?
lyndsey
Anyone looking at a bosom is not struggling with a religious spirit, but lust.
Lyndsey Hi
You brought up an interesting point on Solomon. The “Christian” preachers all think that the book of “Song of Solomon” is “the good sex book” and that’s what they have been preaching all along – but – Not so. You will be shocked to know what this book is really all about so if you really wanna know and learn in the Hebraic perspective then contact http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/ – Great teaching.
As for the picture, yes it is wrong to portray Israel in that image. Read my comment below
Your link is good with the ecption of the Trinty since nobody was ever Baptized like that in the Bible until 352 AD the foundation of the Roman Catholic Church and nowhere is there one verse in the Bible to support it the Father and I are one and also the 3 are one so are you going to take a knife and chop himm in three pices to support your Trinty fron ancient Egypt?
Baptized like what and not understanding the rest of your post?
Annette
I am not sure who you are asking the question to. There was no trinity in Egypt. That is a construct of the Catholic faith, although most, but not all, Protestants basically accept that also. What are you trying to ask or point out?
(((((So where does Israel really getting this help? Where is the wilderness? ))))
Consider that the ‘wilderness’ is a place of divine spiritual protection…yet in the physical world…as in the case of John the Baptist (Mt 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. )
as in the case of Jesus who went into the dangerous and wild physical place of the world called ‘wilderness’ to show His power over the wiles of Satan….apart from men but fully present with God (Mt 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Mt 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. )
a place in the dangerous and evil world…but under the divine presence and protection of God (Lu 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, Lu 5:16 And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed.)
as in the ninety and nine sheep who are safe in the wilderness (Lu 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
in every wilderness…there is a tabernacle of witness (Ac 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. )
……AND FINALLY…….
as is the case of the ‘church’…of the ‘children of Israel’….though ‘in the world’…they are under the divine protection of the Father…..though being ‘beheaded’ at the hands of antichrist or being kept alive until the Second Coming of Christ ….though ‘in the wilderness’ they remain ‘ in the world but not of the world.’ (Re 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. )
THE FINAL THREE AND A HALF YEARS OF THE MURDEROUS RULE OF SATAN…BY THE PERMISSION OF GOD…WILL STILL FIND THE ‘CHURCH’…’ISRAEL’…’NEVER LEFT NOR FORSAKEN BY GOD.’
as was the case with the angel physically ministering to Hagar after her banishment by Sarai (Ge 16:7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.)
as was the case of Ismael growing up in the wilderness under divine protection (Ge 21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. )
as was the case of Joseph who was divinely protected to become the salvation of Israel in Egypt (representing worldliness) during the great famine Ge 37:22 And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again.
as was the case when God sent Aaron to meet Moses in the wilderness…a physical place hidden from the view of man…but clearly seen by God (Ex 4:27 And the LORD said to Aaron, Go into the wilderness to meet Moses. And he went, and met him in the mount of God, and kissed him.)
as was the case of the children of Israel when God led them ‘harnessed’ through the wilderness of the Red Sea ( Ex 13:18 But God led the people about, through the way of the wilderness of the Red sea: and the children of Israel went up harnessed out of the land of Egypt. )
as was the case of Israel in the Wilderness of Shur where God… through Moses… made bitter waters sweet for Israel who had not drank in three days (Ex 15:23 And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah )
as was the case of Israel who suffered lack of food in the wilderness of Sin…but was sustained by God with heavenly manna….and where the children of Israel saw the glory of God in a cloud (Ex 16:1 And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt.Ex 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. Ex 16:10 And it came to pass, as Aaron spake unto the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked toward the wilderness, and, behold, the glory of the LORD appeared in the cloud.)
as was the case of complainers of Israel who died within the confinement and restraint of God…not able to possess the promised land Nu 14:16 Because the LORD was not able to bring this people into the land which he sware unto them, therefore he hath slain them in the wilderness. )
as in ‘wilderness’ as a physcial representation of a place ‘unseen’ by man….ruled and managed by God (Ps 107:33 He turneth rivers into a wilderness, and the watersprings into dry ground; )
as in Caleb and Joshua…the seed of Abraham…who came forth out of the divine purposes (wilderness) of God to inherit the promised land (Nu 26:65 For the LORD had said of them, They shall surely die in the wilderness. And there was not left a man of them, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun. )
Job 12-24..He taketh away the heart of the chief of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a*** wilderne*** [where there is] no way…
Psalms 107-*** wilderness*** [where there is] no way.
WILDERNESS is where men wander around unable to find the WAY TO GOD…
wHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS MEAN….where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. dOES IT MEAN SHE GLEANS TRUTH FROM THE LIES OF THE SERPENT…
Psalms 74-14..Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, [and] gavest him [to be] meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness. This means God exposes all the lies of the serpent beast and give them as spritual meat…
Hi Marianne,
Daniel clearly identifies the place of the refuge – Edom, Moab and part of Amon (except Amman the Capital) – Southern Jordan!
Eagle’s wings refer to Wings of Shechinah – Divine presence, which protected Israelites during the Exodus, and once again will protect them in the desert; I wrote about this before, that when Jesus Christ returns to earth, he lands on Mount Sinai and makes the same path as Israelites during the Exodus via “King’s highway or road” – King’s highway, indeed!
True….to Ruth and Carolyn
This will definitely be a spiritual wilderness experience for Israel.
America is an eagle, but a different one, of whom speaks Prophet Obadiah:
3 The pride of thy heart hath beguiled thee, O thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, thy habitation on high; that sayest in thy heart: ‘Who shall bring me down to the ground?’ 4 Though thou make thy nest as high as the eagle, and though thou set it among the stars, I will bring thee down from thence, saith the LORD.
What does America do when Israel is occupied and persecuted by Antichrist and his army?
11 In the day that thou didst stand aloof, in the day that strangers carried away his substance, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them. 12 But thou shouldest not have gazed on the day of thy brother in the day of his disaster, neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. 13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of My people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have gazed on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity. 14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.
wasn’t that a reference to Edom?
Edom is prophetical America…”The vision of Obadiah” – concerning the future, not present…”Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.” – Battle of End of Days….”For the day of the LORD is near upon all the nations” (Ob. 1:15)…”And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD’S.” (Ob. 1:21)…All indicating that prophet speaks about future events, not past Edom, but other nation, who like Edom is brother to Israel, and is expected to behave as its brother, but does not!
Obadiah and America
http://www.israel-betrayed.com/gpage19.html
http://www.newswithviews.com/Betty/Freauf34.htm
Gavfiel, your comparison of the murdering moon god worshiping sons of Esau, and America fit about as close as all men are sinners, and are hell bent.
America as the eagle is a Romantic thought. I wish it were so. However, America has become the worlds pusher of porn, homosexuality, false religions, murder of the unborn, and leader of the New Age.
This Admin has helped Israel’s enemys, and out of National Interest, America is turning it’s back on same.
If Christ took his Church out of earth, and America lost it’s majority of Christians, I fear what might happen to Israel.
Perhaps, in November things will change to more of a United States we grew up in.
hi Leatherneck
What you say is true about the American government, which is pro-arab.
But the majority of the American people and the military is still pro- Israel.
We will be supportive until the saints are removed.
i hope november brings some hope.
Prophecy of Obadiah regarding Edom fits America perfectly!
Other gentile nations, are addressed by far worst prophecies, so why do you think it’s wrong that God chastises America? God chastises Israel too, and the reason is – to take into account God’s warning and not to follow the bad path, which your nation as a whole has chosen, but to follow the good path!
America doesn’t protect Israel, God does! America won’t be able to save Israel from Gog and Magog battle, it is God that intervenes!
Remember Jonah’s words to Assyrians in Nineveh! God chose to spare idol-worshiping wicked Assyrians at the very last moment, hopefully America also takes into account prophecy of Obadiah and repents!
100 years later Assyrians attacked Israel and as a punishment God flooded the river Tigres and the flooding waters broke the portion of Nineveh’s wall and allowed Babylonians and Medes to capture and destroy Assyrians without any efforts.
Tigres is the same river where Baghdad is located!
Leatherneck,
Are you Silvan?
No. I am one of Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children.
1) Who is the woman supposed to be in the picture above? And why is she dressed like a harlot?
2) Re. “Just suppose…….that the “eagles wings” refer to the eagle, symbol of America”
The American Eagle or something else?
Double Headed Eagle of Freemasonry – Parts – 12
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0U3yqzckb0
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTK7OMEZdak&NR=1
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o32ZGkPoh6A&NR=1
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Swum3b7SY&NR=1
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWFHTtWYS0&feature=related
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LDaeaGTX9o&feature=related
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpFsnpugks&feature=related
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFfg4bDtioU&feature=related
9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csQwZWkvWec&feature=related
10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2rdgYhMDQU&feature=related
11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPI5_Nllj-U&feature=related
12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxRfd7bfXX0&feature=related
dear Lone Eagle
I do not understand why you say the woman in the picture is dressed as a harlot. She is wearing a lovely white, flowing dress. I thought it was pretty.
A harlot? are you serious?
She looks hot to me, not a harlot.
Men !!!!!!
you all think alike.
Olivia Hussey, playing Mary, for me is perfection of feminine beauty….even with her hair covered in a Jewish way
http://www.edmundcamacho.com/.a/6a00e3982249d088330120a5aa8cea970c-800wi
Olivia was a pretty girl. I agree.
Except for those others. You know, the ones who like other men. Now, that would be a topic to flame on your web site.
Pun intended.
And that is why G-D had to make EVE!
He needed someone that could THINK! HA!
LoneEagle;
I told another blogger on another page, to use a separate box to post one video, so it comes up. Then we can watch it here and not have to go to You Tube. I post a lot of videos and for a while they were popping up and Marianne suggested it and it worked. I’m going to post your first You Tube so you know what I am talking about. It also catches a persons eye rather than just posting the web site. It makes a difference to me.
Kitty go ahead. No Prob.
I had also saved a long article on the “American Eagle” symbol, can’t find it right now but soon.
Israel the city IS NOT Gods chosen people,,, children of God, that believe and live for him are Israel…. just like John Hagee ,he is wrong, trying to protect the country Israel.. We are the children of God,there will be a new Heaven and Earth…We are Israel…
interesting video…the double headed eagle was featured, but I noticed they slipped in some single headed ones.
Leatherneck;
You are sure some joker. Maybe Rosa was right?
Kittii
I don’t mean to be a pig, it just seems to come naturally.
I hope you don’t think Rosa was right about me burning in hell. It would be better for me to have the condo with ocean view, and a hot tub. A nice coffee in the morning with some fruit sounds a lot better than being damed to hell for not worshiping the Queen of Heaven.
That was the best picture I could find with a woman and an eagle. Since I am not an artist, I had to choose from what was available.
I hope some actually read the post.
God bless everyone.
The picture is a good pic and is perfect for this topic. You did good.
Not good advice at all. On the other hand, the picture may be good to use on pagan articles.
Hi Marianne,
Re: The woman on eagles wings:
First of all the scripture is not about Persia, India, Africa or even America, the scripture refers to ISRAEL which is the one-and-only-land-of-God that is called Holy and no other nation on earth is called Holy. Does anybody understand the significance of the nation of Israel? This is the land of our Savior Yeshua who shed HIS precious blood and died a brutal death to save the un-deserving wretches (mankind) from satan’s clutches. This is the Land He is returning to soon, to restore sovereignty and to rule the world. This is the same land that after 1000 years of Yeshua’s reign, the “city of God, the New Jerusalem (The New Heaven)” will replace this earth – So how do you think we should portray Israel both physically and spiritually? Like a Hot Babe? A Harlot? A Greek goddess? To tarnish the image of the Land of God as if all the anti-Semitism that’s going on around the planet is not bad enough? Must mockery be added in to cause further damage to this beautiful land and its people? And again why should Israel be portrayed like the picture above and not like a modest Jewish woman? After all, the land belongs to the Jews.
This IMMODEST picture above is so easily accepted by the western world but is contrary to the eastern world because the eastern culture contradicts the western culture. The eastern culture is ancient and is still preserved and observed. In the east, MODESTY is the MAIN ISSUE even God commands modesty particularly among women. It is OK for a western woman to go to church “bare top” (like the picture above), but this would be totally unacceptable in Jewish synagogues and in Israel and other eastern countries. We’ve got to see the pros and cons before putting up such images and articles in order not to hurt or provoke someone – particularly the NATION OF GOD. I hear many people say “I love Israel” Yeah Right!! The point is how much respect does one have for Israel, The Holy Land!! It’s not just enough to say, but to show and do.
I fully agree with Rabbi Andrew’s remark because I am a staunch Torah observer. I understand he is a Jew and of course no God-minded Jew would want to see their beloved “Eretz Israel” portrayed as shown above. To say that Rabbi Andrew was lusting, I have this to say: I am positive that he being a rabbi, his comment was not of lust but was meant as correction and a correction must be accepted if you are a good follower of Jesus. {{(2-Timothy-3:16–17) (16) All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; (17) so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work}}.
A rabbi is appointed to serve in the higher office of God by Yeshua (Jesus) Himself and not just for nothing but to teach and correct those who are wrong, so to say that he is lusting” is a direct insult not only to him but unto the Son of God. If someone who says he/she is following Yeshua (Jesus Christ) and cannot take a correction from one of His disciples then that person is not walking right with Yeshua and as such there will be severe consequences. Something to think about seriously. Those who don’t study the TORAH will never truly know what exactly God requires from them, how to live their lives and how to follow in the footsteps of His Beloved Son Yeshua (Jesus) the Jewish Messiah the soon coming King of this world.
Again, I would like to also add in that “A man is lead as far as the woman allows him” So why blame a man if the woman is beguiling him with her exposure? It’s an open invitation!! Almost every second woman you see on the street has her front open – Why? Is it so, because there’s a never-ending heat-wave? What is the reason for this if not to seduce then for what? Many such images and personal exposures etc. do have a very negative impact on innocent and decent women who don’t even deserve it. MODESTY in women should be the norm but sadly it’s gone-with-the-wind in North America and its bad influence has traveled around the world. Is it any wonder that the plagues of Revelation are being poured on us one by one? The worst is yet to come and may be real soon, yet most haven’t learned the lesson.
This is not a bashing, but just an eye-opener.
Blessings in Yeshua Messiah.
I do understand your point, however, in this heat wave, you cover yourself up from head to toe and see how you feel!
It is not just hot where I am, it is also very humid. A lot of clothing would make one suffocate.
Lone Eagle,
As a spirit filled Christian, the “rabbi’s” comments did not “feel” right nor did they set right with me. I then went onto his website that he posted and found ALOT of contradictions. One of them was that he did not believe that a woman should have anything to do with preaching the word of G-d-now how in the world does he explain Deborah-the prophetess-who is in the old testament. Another place of MAJOR concern was his “opinion” on the Baptism of the HS, only it wasn’t his “opinion”-he was putting it out there as “fact” under the guise of “rabbi” and this is dangerous! I was infuriated, because number 1, he clearly did not have any understanding of the Holy Spirit and what is written in Romans, Acts and Corinthians! The tounges that were heard at Pentecost were a result of the HS coming upon them-NOT the different languages given so that each country now has their own language-PLEASE!…what is it that Paul writes, 1Corinthians 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, …..do you know of a country around here on this planet that speaks ANGEL! The Baptism of the HS is the infilling of the HS and the evidence of this is the ability to speak a language of which one has never learned and most likely never heard! This is one of G-D’s mysteries! And further, Jesus said that he had to go in order to be able to send the comforter, the one who would lead us into all truth! I pray that Rabbi Andrew receives the infilling of the HS so that he will be led into all truth so as to speak the truth on Jesus’ behalf! And another point is this, if G-D did not want women to be ministers of Jesus in any way, shape or form then WHY do women ALSO receive the Baptism of the HS of which Jesus spoke about? Why is it mentioned in the New Testament, Acts 2:17 that ““‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons AND DAUGHTERS will prophesy
AS Marianne stated before, a Rabbi is still just a man….but the danger there, as is seen in the catholic church with their priests, is that the “followers”/Congregation put their faith in the MAN-HIS TITLE instead of the only one of Authority who is G-D, His son Jesus Christ and HS. We should NEVER put our faith in anyone other than our G-D. We should always question them and reference the Holy Scriptures ourselves. They are simply here as a guide…and unfortunately, most are leading many astray! So once again, WHY do we need the HS-to LEAD US INTO ALL TRUTH!
And further, Israel IS refered to by G-D as a woman-NOT a man
Marianne: you said “Her bosom is covered. Maybe you are looking too hard”. And again in the next comment you said: Anyone looking at a bosom is not struggling with a religious spirit, but lust.
LoneEagle: No, actually her bosom is partly covered with her shoulders bare that does make her look seductive. One does not have to look hard, it’s a first glance, and it is darn immodest, that is the issue. If this picture was posted for any other article apart from portraying it as Israel, I wouldn’t have really cared. Think about it even the statues of pagan goddesses in America like “Persepone” on top of capital Hill and the Statue of Liberty are both covered in a way that you can only see their face, hands and feet .. so why should ISRAEL, the nation of God be portrayed with her top uncovered making her look like a harlot?
Lyndsey you said “With all due respect, I do not see anything wrong with the picture of the lady on this page-nor am I offended by it-it
LoneEagle: Well, Lyndsey, you may not see anything wrong with the pic. Or be offended by it because the west has little or no understanding about the eastern culture and Israel is a peculiar nation and can never be America that’s the difference. Israel is a “peculiar” nation with a “peculiar” peoples.
Lyndsey you said: It does make me wonder as to where your “mind really is” for you to “see” something that truly isn’t even there!
LoneEagle said: The mind is relaxed and not anywhere but when there is such exposure one’s mind does not even have time to think to see, it’s an instant glance and a shocking one too, especially to persons like Rabbi Andrew – why? Because the fact is that, “that something” is really there at least 50% exposed
Leatherneck you said: She looks hot to me, not a harlot.
And if (I presume so) that you are Christian, are you supposed to feel “hot” at the “HOT” How would God feel about your thoughts?
LoneEagle said: OK maybe she doesn’t look like a harlot to you but when a woman looks “hot” (I figure you are a man) so tell me what happens to you? Never mind, I can answer that for you; maybe at first glance you would be shocked or embarrassed or would you just like to loooook
Blessings
LoneEagle
I do not mind switching out the picture, if you can find me one of beautiful woman with an eagle.
I am not a lust oriented person, so I only see the purity of the picture. To me, there is nothing immodest about it.
And many women do dress for the heat, and are not thinking of seduction, but trying to stay cool.
This is a cultural issue. There are cultures where people are half naked, and do not lust as much as those in cultures where they cover themselves up more. Covering up will not solve the problem. Men rape their covered women in the eastern countries, and then beat the woman as a harlot.
The rabbi is still a man, and his mind is in the wrong place. Just like Leatherneck, but Leatherneck admits it.
ok,so what were we talking about?..:) oh yeah, Israel and her flight into the wilderness upon the wings of an eagle! umm…will have to get back to you
Hi Marianne,
1))Well, thank you, you have found just the right one, without doubt it is a very beautiful pic. but the issue about the previous picture or the present one is not really the beauty but MODESTY where ISRAEL is concerned that’s that. I don’t care if a nudie is symbolized for any other country or for any matter whatsoever but ISRAEL is the heart of the Earth, I believe the throne of God in heaven rests above Jerusalem.
2)) I never said that you are a lust-oriented person – I repeat again, its about Israel. How you see and whatever it may be is not my business.
3)) About women dressing how they want, its their choice but dressing immodestly is against God’s commands Deut.30:15-20 Choose life or choose death …it’s a choice He’s given us despite creating us. Whatever I’ve written, it was in defense of Israel.
4)) Whatever men and women do in eastern countries is not my concern and what you say is out of line. However, since you brought it up, I would say that at least they don’t expose their bodies around like the west. Take for instance Dubai, the scorching sun and soaring temperatures can reach 100oF+, plus the horrible Humidity – nothing compared to America – yet men and women (not just local but Americans, Europeans, all nationalities) don’t go half naked like in the west http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29723610/ – they wear the kind of clothing that keeps them cool – In Deut.22.11 God recommends using linen, linen is made from the stalks of flax, friendly to the skin. Just as flax is a super food for the arteries, bowels etc… so is linen healthy for the skin particularly in Hot and Humid weather. The modern clothing is made from synthetic fibers that cook the body in the heat. One only has to wear linen and avoid the physical exposure. http://www.momof9splace.com/modesty3.html
5)) You are still harping over rabbi Andrew? Do you know what you are getting at Marianne? Do you have kids and don’t you correct them? The disciples that Yeshua(Jesus) has appointed has every right to correct someone who is wrong and if something he finds wrong. You may think you are bashing the rabbi but you are actually messing with God. first it was the picture and now its the rabbi. God clearly said in His Word ((Touch not my anointed and do my people no harm)) http://www.demonbuster.com/anointed.html I’m not gonna say more for when God strikes, He strikes all around… so ponder on this seriously. Just a friendly warning here take it or leave it.
LoneEagle
1. I was actually doing Israel a favor by using this picture. Since the replacement was a nice one, suggested by Gavriel, I used it.
Since when has Israel been pure, and deserved to be represented that way? God even repeatedly calls her a harlot. Why do you think there was a diaspora? Israel was being punished for its wickedness.
As long as natural Israel is unbelieving, she is considered a harlot, not a faithful woman. The original picture was actually more in line with ancient and modern Israel. I still see nothing wrong with the original picture, it was modest enough for me, because my brain does not focus on the carnal.
2. This brings me to what is pure, and what is not pure. The scripture says this:
This means people with pure minds do not see someone who is covered as defiled. People with impure minds do. Something to think about.
You see what is on your mind.
I see a covered, pretty woman with an eagle. I see her as spiritual, calm, ready to be taken away by the eagle.
You see something dirty. Something to think about.
So does the rabbi.
3. the rabbi is just a jewish man who carries the title rabbi. Jesus said…..for christians:
Why why doesn’t the “rabbi” obey Jesus and drop the title?
The point Jesus was making was that no one should be carrying titles around to exalt themselves over others.
A title presumes entitlement.
We are all equal under the blood. No one should be called rabbi, teacher, pastor, prophet, apostle, etc. We have gifts and jobs to do, but not to make ourselves over others, so they have to give us special consideration.
I am just anointed as the messianic “rabbi” who works once a week on shabat. I work every day, teaching and ministering, but I do not call myself a teacher, and expect special consideration.
This is because we are all anointed by God, not just certain chosen ones. This is another whole post, which I am working on.
Poeple with titles want special honor.
The passage about do no harm actually refers to the nation of Israel, not one special person or prophet. The entire nation was considered anointed, not just its leaders.
I mentioned the rabbi because you brought him up again. he still is a carnal thinker, to see how he “sees” with his eyes. He may be saved, but his body still needs to be redeemed, just like everyone else.
LoneEagle said:5)) You are still harping over rabbi Andrew? Do you know what you are getting at Marianne? Do you have kids and don’t you correct them? The disciples that Yeshua(Jesus) has appointed has every right to correct someone who is wrong and if something he finds wrong. You may think you are bashing the rabbi but you are actually messing with God. first it was the picture and now its the rabbi. God clearly said in His Word ((Touch not my anointed and do my people no harm)) http://www.demonbuster.com/anointed.html I’m not gonna say more for when God strikes, He strikes all around… so ponder on this seriously. Just a friendly warning here take it or leave it.
LoneEagle said this on July 9, 2010 at 3:43 am | Reply
It is my understanding that to have any kind of annointing you must first have the Holy Spirit within you! Marianne is NOT “messing with G-D” by her “bashing”/correction of Rabbi Andrew. Again, as I stated before in the above post-there is an imminent danger in putting our faith in MAN. Look at the Catholic church and their priests and need I say more?!
Questioning the authority of a rabbi or priests is NOT, I repeat, NOT NOT NOT questioning the authority of G-D!!!!! G-d does not want us to be mindless followers of any man OR WOMAN who has a title, pretty wardrobe, crown, bloodline etc etc etc!! I could write a whole book on where, who and how this has gotten us (mankind) into SO MUCH trouble throughout history!
Well, just think how I felt (look on face) when seeing Michangelos’ “DAVID” up close and personal! WOW! talk about immodest…there was enough clothing in the room or curtains to cover him up! laughing
meant to write: “there was NOT enough clothing or curtains in the room to cover him up!”
It’s the virus of wicked Rome that still runs in most people today. Sick-minded artists create sick art and sick-minded viewers gloat in this sickness. Only sick-minded people would make mockery of the Biblical prophets. I can’t fathom how they call themselves Christians, it must be ZEUS they worship NOT JESUS for Jesus is also called the son of David.
Correction: Not prophets but “Patriarchs”
I changed the picture. I used Gavriel’s suggestion of Olivia Hussey, and pasted in an eagle.
But the woman Israel is today will not look like that when she is taken to the wilderness.
Marianne,
Wow, beautiful!
Thanks!
…now self-righteous among us will start complaining that she starred in Romeo & Juliet and therefore call her the “h” word…why people are obsessed with symbols and images, instead of looking into the essence of things…
Her face is showing and she is too pretty! stop it! LOL
Some people are hard-nuts-to-crack and just don’t get the point.
true-i am a nut! and i often crack myself up..lol
Hi Marianne,
I had watched the movie Romeo & Juliet quite a few times years ago during school days but I hadn’t a clue that the beautiful pix above was the “Juliet” in the movie.
with all the disasters striking the earth and the earth itself turning from its axis, can’t say who is gonna be around to see what will happen in and around Israel. Again Israel is “Jacob” a “HE” and not a “SHE” and “HE” is in the hands of God.
where are you getting your information LoneEagle? There are many, many references to Israel being a “SHE” in the Holy Bible! In Jeremiah 3, the L-D refers to “her sister, Judah”…this is just one of many many many places within the scriptures that Israel is called a “she”; His Wife…who has committed adultery (metaphor) etc….and most importantly, Jesus is coming for His BRIDE (a SHE)! Israel is a SHE…always has been and always will be…as Deborah, the prophetess would say, “you gotta a problem with that, then take it up with G-D” (Judges)
Hey Marianne,
Quite a fuss over a picture, huh?
Maybe you should have just followed the second commandment and refrained from using any graven images in the first place.
james
oh well…..I aim to please I guess. I like the new picture, but I liked the old one too. Did you see the old one? I thought it was tastefully done, and the lady was pretty.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/woman%20eagle/kfachko/WomanEagle.jpg
But I guess since men like women, they will see things there that I do not see.
That would also include women who think like men.
I do not think like a man, or a woman who thinks like a man, so I only had a pure view of the woman.
Whatever……
Hi Marianne,
Thanks for posting the link to the original photo. It wasn’t clear for a while that there had been a switch. I am recovering from surgery and nearly busted my stitches laughing, thinking that someone thought half of her chest was showing!
We either have too much clothing or not enough…HA!
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Woman on Eagles Wings « Heaven Awaits said this on July 8, 2010 at 1:44 pm |
Back to the topic, I was a viewing a video the other day regarding the ancient civilization of the sumerians. Amazingly, they have etched in stone, over 6000 years ago the orbit of the planets and where they are in allignment (this could actually be on another post but bare with me)…they used alot of symbols as mentioned by the speaker. The speaker referenced America landing on the moon for the first time “Houston, the eagle has landed”. So, with the Sumerians, Americans and G-D using symbols…perhaps we are on track with the Eagle wings mentioned in the Bible as actually being America….but then I think I just heard the HS say “no”….so…now I have no idea…LOL
Ok, so after hearing the HS whisper NO, then I googled and came up with this and found something very interesting…a must read :
“we are the eagle and the wind thermals represents the Holy Spirit, is what the wings of the eagle represent. The wings of the eagle represent our faith and belief in in the Lord…..” AND THEN…”11. The Nests of Eagles Are Built in the Wilderness
When baby eagles are first born, the mother eagle will build the nest in which to raise up her newborns in the wilderness, away from mainstream society. This is done so she can safely raise them up without any harm coming to them.”
http://www.bible-knowledge.com/eagle-analogy/
Once again, here are the main attributes and qualities of the mighty eagle, the most powerful and feared bird in the skies:
1.Master fliers
2.Master fishermen
3.Fly alone
4.Live on higher ground
5.Extremely bold, courageous and powerful
6.Majestic
7.Mate for life
8.Very patient
9.Have two sets of eyes
10.Nest are built in the wilderness
11.Noticeable from a distance as a result of contrasting color patterns
10. The Eagle Has 2 Sets of Eyes
Another fascinating quality that eagles have is that they have two sets of eyes. The first set is their natural eye which they have when they are in a resting mode.
However, when they start to take flight on these strong wind thermals, they have a second eye that comes in on them. This second eye enables them to fly on these strong wind thermals without damaging their original eye. This second eye is also used when they are seen flying through actual storm clouds. The heavy winds from a storm cloud could damage their normal, natural eye and this second eye gives them a protective covering as they are navigating through these heavy storm clouds.
As Christians, we also have two sets of eyes operating in us. The first set is our normal, natural eye with which we use to see the natural world in which we live in. However, we also have a second set of eyes and that is the eyes of the Holy Spirit.
http://www.bible-knowledge.com/eagle-analogy/
hi leatherneck,hope you are feeling ok today.I see you are still in a lot of pain.I mean your heart is fill with so much darkness no light.Ask,mother mary and jesus to embrace you with the holy light.You are thirsty for the light and keep missing both of them.Once you catch on about the light you will be a sweet person.You have a lot of old and ancient scars in your heart to say that about the Queen of heaven.She’s a advocate for you and all of us.How would you feel if you was in a life and death situation?You would be just like all of us wanting that help.You have a veil over your eyes like a lot of other people and you can’t see.I will pray for the Queen of Heaven to appear to you.I love you and that’s not in a sexual matter.Maybe if everyone got together and start telling you how much love they have for you,you might see things different.You be on here all the time so you don’t hate us.That’s a gaint start.If only you would ask for peace,joy and happiness in your heart you wouldn’t say the things like that.There are other religions in the world cause they are different you don’t put them down.It’s the heart you should look deep into.I wish the very best for you and i forgot to say I’m catholic as well.The Queen of Heaven still loves you just repent that’s all require from any of us.Peace.sunwater
The Queen of Heaven is a pagan Goddess. Christ never said worship the Queen of Heaven, and G-d the Father destroyed Israel over baking bread to same.
Pray only to G-d the Father in Christ’s name. Otherwise, you are a pagan.
Have a nice day.
I agree with Leatherneck, Gracie please take some time to read some of my research on the true identity of the Biblical Mary, mother of Jesus.
http://groveonline.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/who-is-mary/
Hi Marianne,The picture is really pretty.Peace,sunwater
hi Gracie
Thanks. Gavriel gave me the picture. I like it too.
Israel is to be destroyed in Armageddon;
http://sabbathsermons.com/2010/07/21/7-daniel-11-the-consumation/
Isaiah 21:16 For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail:
Here is a time prophecy that has to do with a literal year, not a prophetic year, according to the years of an hireling. Who is Kedar, that all his glory shall fail?
Genesis 25:13 And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
Who was Kedar? He was the Arab who came from Ishmael. The Arabs came from Ishmael. Kedar is specifically mentioned to come to his end and none shall help him. All his glory would be taken away within a year. It is interesting to connect Kedar the Arab world with Turkey. Kadar and Mesech are connected and in the ancient world, Mesech was in Turkey. They have always been a trouble spot for the Jews.
Psalms 120:5 Woe is me, that I sojourn in Mesech, that I dwell in the tents of Kedar!
120:6 My soul hath long dwelt with him that hateth peace.
120:7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.
Is this not the problem all the way through and still in existence today? Ever since Ishmael came into contact with his younger brother Isaac, there have been problems. The world problems of today are very much the Middle East conflicts. Here are Kedar and Mesech the Arab world and Turkey. All the glory within one year would be taken away. It is this conflict that Jesus utilises in His work. Notice how Jesus brings this out in His conversation with the apostles.
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True. God foretold from the beginning:
Only Jesus can bring peace to the middle east. I hope many sons of Ishmael embrace this peace.
Fascinating that these superficial people are fixating on the picture accompanying the article instead of the article itself, smh. Great post, Marianne. I’m not convinced the eagle archetype points to any specific nation, however. There are far too many nations that incorporate it into their milieu (Mexico, Montenegro, Albania, Germany, etc) to point so squarely at America. Isaiah says that they that wait upon the Lord will mount up with wings as eagles. I don’t think this verse is speaking of any particular country but upon deliverance in the most transcendent sense. Condors fly higher but they were unfamiliar to the Hebrews; if they were the verse and consequently the passage in Revelation, might have made reference to condors. Just my $.02
hi Amardo
Like you, I like the spiritual meaning of the eagle best. But I was willing to consider what a physical interpretation might be.
About above Phoenicians, Tyre, Eagle, woman (Ephraim)….I think they have developed into the top world merchants who live mainly in America, with its huge merchant ships, shipping goods to all nations. The owners are the false Jews mentioned in Rev.2:9 + 3:9. Any dummy should perceive how they have sinned to high heaven from their former stronghold America. Isaiah 23:- seems to convey the thought that humiliation/punishment/collaps comes before restored usage and glory,..but this time to the Lord, not for self as now,… after her 70 years of laying
low/punishment,…when having learnt her lesson and the Lord uses her (the former prostitute who then advertises herself in a better light. (v.15-18).
What do you think ??
Ed
Wow, hot topic ay Marianne? What if the wings of an eagle are symbolic of swiftness, angelic help, or miraculous transportation for the fleeing Jews? Perhaps it’s God’s direct hand that helps them and not any man.
hi groveonline
Good thoughts.
One way or the other, when the abomination takes place, it will be a tense and incredible moment to see Israel “head for the hills.” I just wonder how they are going to do it. On foot? By plane? If they go to Petra, they will have to go by car. Imagine the traffic…..most of the roads are 2 lanes over there. The Holy Spirit will have to make it happen, to get them all out of there quickly.
I tend to agree, Grove.
First you have to accept that the woman mentioned in rev chapter 12 is not Israel but the prophet that was promised to Moses. She is a real woman who taught souls to fly with healing in their wings. She is also found in the frescos painted by Michelangelo, he left many messages about ELIAKIM who would bring the everlasting covenant for the children of the world. Blessings in abundance God kept his promise to the children.
Eliakim, that is the most strange wacky interpretation and mini theology discourse I have heard in a while. Please don’t take that offensively but could you explain your proof for the existence.
1. How can I escape seeing the woman in Rev 12 as Israel when there are various elements and even other mentions that back up the belief that the woman is Israel giving birth to the Messiah Christ?
2. When was there ever a woman prophet prophesied to Moses? If you are referring to Deut 18:15 it says it will be a male and that was clearly referring to Christ. John 6:14 and John 1:21 refer to the Jews expecing “The Prophet” and that is was Christ.
3. Where in the Bible is there a woman figure teaching people to fly with healing on their wings? What does that even mean?
4. Since when are Michelangelo’s pieces of art grounds for Biblical doctrine or belief? Especially when those doctrines or beliefs are no where in the Bible?
Who do you think Yeshu loved the most the place Israel or the people of Israel?