Wormwood = Spirit of Bitterness

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This is a look at the Star Wormwood as a spiritual event, not a physical one.

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Guest Author

DJ Maxwell

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“The third angel blew [his] trumpet, and a huge star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it dropped on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— And the name of the star is Wormwood. A third part of the waters was changed into wormwood, and many people died from using the water, because it had become bitter” (Revelation 8:10-11, Amplified Bible).

I believe there is spiritual darkness (principalities and powers) that wars against believers as we read in Ephesians 6:10-13.

“Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand (NKJV).

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There are several evil/demonic spirits that gravitate to and are under the direction of Jezebel, Leviathan and Wormwood.

Within Scripture, these named principalities and powers (evil spirits)  wreak havoc on the human condition (the flesh and soul).

Think of demons as having “personalities” and you’ll recognize them better, but there are degrees of personality with “manifestations” and “strongholds” on/over a person.
They can erupt and hide, but they can grow stronger over time. However, in the name of Jesus, they can be bound and cast out (Mark 16:17, Luke 10:17-19).

 

§ Jezebel: control, rebellion, seduction, selfish, possessiveness, unclean and other related sexual spirits

§ Leviathan: “monarch over pride” – arrogance, ego, treachery, vanity, jealousy, haughty, and stubborn, un-teachable

§ Wormwood: bitterness (which is rooted in un-forgiveness) – frustration, resentfulness, judgmental, anger/temper, hate and violence

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Spiritual Warfare

Demons can grow stronger over time with a secular environment cultivating them.

Believers are to put on the Armor of God (Ephesians 6:11) – fitted and worn every day to combat with this spiritual war that rages against our flesh and soul.

I’ve experienced the oppression of demons (pride, bitterness, anger, seduction, selfishness, control and other spirits), then expelling them from myself by the authority He gives us. In the past year, I  expelled such spirits from a few other people too – thank you Lord!

Recently, my close friend expelled a  Jezebel spirit (rebellion), from his teenage daughter. Her deliverance from this vile/rebellious spirit was so obvious/evident that a social worker/counselor assigned to her care became a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ after observing the positive change in the girl’s temperament and countenance. Her "personality change" came after her father’s 40 minute deliverance prayer one evening over a cell phone!

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Marianne has posted many topics on Jezebel. Each one is worthy of your reading and application.

§ Jezebel is the evil queen (1st Kings 16-21 and 2 Kings 9) and a

prophetess of Baal. She is the spiritual warfare nemesis of Elijah (prophet of God).

§ Jezebel and the worship of Baal (sexual perversion, control/rebellion) are spoken in the same breath. She ruled King Ahab, influencing the idolatry pollution of the children of Israel with pagan worship practices. She continues to pollute the church (believers) today (Revelation 2:20-23).

§ She is also the adulterous woman in Proverbs. This spirit is working in “the world” (represented by Babylon and/or Egypt).

§  Jezebel is evident in women, men and even children.

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This evil spirit of control /rebellion is noted in Revelation chapter 2 as an antagonist/enemy to the church of Thyatira (which represents many believers) in the last days.

There is a direct correlation between Jezebel, Wormwood and the Church.

“But I have this against you: that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess [claiming to be inspired], and who is teaching and leading astray my servants and beguiling them into practicing sexual vice and eating food sacrificed to idols. I gave her time to repent, but she has no desire to repent of her immorality [symbolic of idolatry] and refuses to do so…Take note: I will throw her on a bed [of anguish], and those who commit adultery with her [her paramours] I will bring down to pressing distress and severe affliction, unless they turn away their minds from conduct [such as] hers and repent of their doings…And all the assemblies (churches) shall recognize and understand that I am He Who searches minds (the thoughts, feelings, and purposes) and the [inmost] hearts, and I will give to each of you [the reward for what you have done] as your work deserves. He who is able to hear, let him listen to and heed what the [Holy] Spirit says to the assemblies (churches)” (Revelation 2:18-29, Amplified Bible translation).

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Jezebel is bitter!

Now, please take note of these verses within Proverbs. There is something deep with a person bound by this Jezebel spirit.

Bitterness took root, opening up the door to control, seduction and revenge.

“The lips of an adulterous woman [rebellion, the world] drip with honey. Her kiss is smoother than oil, but in the end she is as bitter as wormwood, as

sharp as a two-edged sword. Her feet descend to death. Her steps lead straight to hell” (Proverbs 5:3-5, NKJV with commentary).

With this brief spiritual warfare background in mind (trusting you read Marianne’s postings on Jezebel), please consider the spiritual warfare regarding Wormwood : The Spirit of Bitterness.

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Evidence of Wormwood’s Work

The account of Job’s struggle (aka spiritual warfare) is renowned.

Job not only had to deal with the spirit of Leviathan (monarch over the children of pride with in chapters 3:8 and 41).

Job complains about bitterness too!

Do you know anyone who could say something like this or feel this way?

As a servant earnestly longs for the shade and the evening shadows, and as a hireling, who looks for the reward of his work, so am I allotted months of futile [suffering], and [long] nights of misery are appointed to me. When I lie down I say, ‘When shall I arise and the night be gone?’ And I am full of tossing to and fro till the dawning of the day… My days are swifter than a weaver’s shuttle, and are spent without hope. Oh, remember that my life is but wind (a puff, a breath, a sob); my eye shall see good no more…He shall return no more to his house; neither shall his place know him anymore. Therefore, I will not restrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit, I will complain in the bitterness of my soul [O Lord]!

…When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint, then You scare me with dreams and terrify me through visions, so that I would choose strangling and death rather than these my bones (Job 7:1-15, Amplified Bible translation).

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There is something at war with Job’s soul and flesh. Job was in the mists of spiritual warfare, battling Wormwood (bitterness) and Leviathan (pride)!

Satan attacked Job with two powerful “principalities and powers” because God gave Satan access to do so.

This was to test Job’s faith – his reliance upon God and not take his wife’s advice: Renounce God and die!

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Job overcame and was victorious. God knew Job’s heart, while under intense spiritual warfare he would remain faithful – all the way to the end. Job “overcame” and was rewarded with much more than Job had before. God rewarded Job for overcoming! (Sound like Revelation 12:11?)

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Now, please read these verses of Lamentations 3. The writer is much like Job. It is a description of the effects of the great star, burning as a torch” in the souls of men and women during the last days. God’s wrath is poured out upon the earth – and for some believers (see Revelation 2 and 3), maybe it is toRepent.

“I am the man who has experienced suffering under the rod of God’s fury. God has driven me away and made me walk in darkness instead of light.

He beat me again and again all day long. He has

made my flesh and my skin waste away. He has broken my bones. He has attacked me and surrounded me with bitterness and hardship. He has made me live in darkness, like those who died a long time ago. He has blocked me so that I can’t get out.

He has put heavy chains on me. Even when I cry and call for help, he shuts out my prayer. He has blocked my way with cut stones and made my paths crooked. He is like a bear waiting to ambush me, like a lion in hiding. He has forced me off the road I was taking, torn me to pieces, and left me with nothing. He has drawn his bow and made me the target for his arrows. He has shot the arrows from his quiver into my heart. I have become a laughingstock to all my people. All day long they make fun of me with their songs. He has filled me with bitterness.

He has made me drink wormwood. He has ground my teeth with gravel. He has trampled me into the dust. My soul has been kept from enjoying peace. I have forgotten what happiness is… Remember my suffering and my aimless wandering, the wormwood and poison.

My soul continues to remember these things and is so discouraged… I said, ‘I’ve lost my strength to live and my hope in the Lord.’ Remember my suffering and my aimless wandering, the wormwood and poison. My soul continues to remember these things and is so discouraged(Lamentations 3:1-20, God’s Word Translation).

This man has Wormwood running through his veins!

God allowed this evil spirit to do the work, bringing this man to “repent” and seek Him.

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The meteor Effect

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How does this apply to Revelation?

In a matter of months, during the Great Tribulation period (last 3.5 years of Daniel’s timeline), Wormwood will be thrown into the water.

And the third angel sounded, and there fell from

heaven a great star, burning as a torch, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of the waters; and the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter” (Revelation 8:10-11, American Standard Version).

Here is my interpretation of these verses.

§ Mankind is made of water (mostly) and dust.

§ There is a physical death and a spiritual death.

§ The river represents inter movements of the soul. The Holy Spirit is represented as a river of life. The Holy Spirit is the water that quenches the dry, trusty soul (the woman at the well). The Lord says in Revelation, 22:

“And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, ‘Come!’ And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires let him take the water of life freely” (New King James Version).

§ This particular “great star” of Revelation, is the evil/demonic spirit of bitterness and one of the1/3 of stars, which fell from heaven with Lucifer (Revelation 12).

His rebellion established darkness,  and all those stars captured by his prideful rebellion became his spiritual warfare agents/minions/workers of inequity that battle our flesh and soul (spiritual warfare of Ephesians 6).

Well, my interpretations of the end of the age and His very soon coming (Matthew 24) are presented within Heaven Awaits:

“How do the Sheep Prepare”

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“Signs of the Heavens”.

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You may disagree with my interpretation of the end of the age and His soon coming after reading “How do the Sheep Prepare” and “Signs in the Heavens” (Matthew 24, 25 and Revelation 12). Okay.

You may conclude that the falling of this great star, Wormwood, is not relevant to you because you are going to be “raptured” before this star falls. Okay.

Or, you have concluded this star will not fall upon you or any believer because believers are not appointed to God’s wrath. Okay. But, if you hold to the “not subject to wrath” position, please consider these verses from Romans chapter 2, which are also written by Paul.

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his works: to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life: but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek; but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek: for there is no respect of persons with God (Romans 2:3-11, American Standard Version).

Then, there is Revelation 22:18-19, which is for everyone without respect of persons (believer or unbeliever).

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of

the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book” (NKJV).

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Physical vs. Spiritual Wormwood

You may conclude that this “star” is a physical event and not spiritual warfare.

Wormwood would be an asteroid or comet falling upon the waters, polluting the water that leads to death.

Maybe this represents a nuclear reactor fracture, heating up the core and water that runs into the surrounding waters (Tokyo 2011, Chernobyl 1986). The result is spoiling water and soil, killing and destroying life in its path.

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I don’t think so, and here is why.

Please read Revelation Chapter 9:1-11 for another "star" that falls upon the earth.

This is clearly not physical/visible but spiritual/ demonic.

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The name of this "star falling from heaven" is the principality/power over the bottomless pit, Abaddon (named in verse 11).
This "star" is the king/ruler over the "locusts" described in verses 3-10.  Those locusts are demons from where Abaddon is the ruler – the Abyss.

Abaddon is the destroyer (Proverbs 27:20). But these locusts (demons) cannot kill the humans, as the men/woman pray for rocks to fall upon them.

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Wormwood is from the principality and power corner of the universe that brings Abaddon – one of Lucifer’s chief rulers (principalities and powers). Abaddon is another one of those stars cast out/down with Lucifer.

Consider these verses in regards to “stars” and you will see a pattern: Isaiah 14:12-20, Daniel 8:9-11, Jude 1:13, Revelation 6:13 and 12:3-4. I trust you will conclude that it is more likely the stars of Revelation are not a comet or an asteroid but demonic.

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Revelation contains a great deal of spiritual warfare language – principalities and powers -coming to earth (allowed by God), carrying out wrath – much like the Death Angel released over Egypt.

The Death Angel (could that be Abaddon the destroyer?) passed over the children of Israel (with the blood of a lamb, per God’s protection), killing the first born of Egypt (the un-righteous).

Therefore, it is my interpretation that the evil/demonic spirit of Wormwood will fall upon anyone’s soul holding bitterness, rooted in any un-forgiveness and resentment towards others.

Those souls holding bitterness receive all the more from this “falling star”.

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What are we to do?   Where do we turn?

As His children, believers in Christ the Lord – the Word made flesh, Wisdom of Proverbs and the King of Righteousness, Prince of Peace – please think about these verses within Amos.

The writing of Amos is prophetic and has some relevance to the end of the age/last days.

“Seek the Lord [inquire for and of Him and require Him] and you shall live, lest He rush down like fire upon the house of Joseph [representing the ten tribes] and devour it, and there be none to quench it in Bethel [the center of their idol hopes]. You who turn justice into [the bitterness of] wormwood and cast righteousness (uprightness and right standing with God) down to the ground, seek Him Who made the [cluster of stars called] Pleiades and [the constellation] Orion, Who turns the shadow of death or deep darkness into the morning and darkens the day into night, Who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out upon the face of the earth—the Lord is His name” (Amos 5:6-8, Amplified Bible).

Pay close attention to the Wisdom of the living Word, our Lord:

“Fools make a mock of sin and sin mocks the fools [who are its victims; a sin offering made by them only mocks them, bringing them disappointment and disfavor], but among the upright there is the favor of God. The heart knows its own bitterness, and no stranger shares its joy. The house of the wicked shall be overthrown, but the tent of the upright shall flourish” (Proverbs 14:9-11, Amplified Bible).

Hebrews 12:15 gives us this Truth and it is written to “believers”. This message is for the wise virgin.

Exercise foresight and be on the watch to look

[after one another], to see that no one falls back from and fails to secure God’s grace (His unmerited favor and spiritual blessing), in order that no root of resentment (rancor, bitterness, or hatred) shoots forth and causes trouble and bitter torment, and the many become contaminated and defiled by it” (Amplified Bible).

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Wormwood is deadly to the soul. Within the letter to the Ephesians, where we are call to put on the Armor of God, fighting those principalities and powers – Paul writes in chapter 4 verse 31 this warning to all believers.

“Let all bitterness and indignation and wrath (passion, rage, bad temper) and resentment (anger, animosity) and quarreling (brawling, clamor, contention) and slander (evil-speaking, abusive or blasphemous language) be banished from you, with all malice (spite, ill will, or baseness of any kind)” (Amplified Bible).

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Application

Regardless of positions (Pre-Trib rapture and subject to wrath positions), I implore you to inspect your heart (hardness and impenitent?).

No matter what our position or interpretation of the end of the age and His soon coming – our Lord said we are to forgive those who hurt us.

Forgive - as He has forgiven you for all your sins, faults, disappointing actions/thoughts and behaviors no matter how big or small.

Now, read and carefully, considering your heart and His words.

For if you forgive people their trespasses [their

reckless and willful sins, leaving them, letting them go, and giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their reckless and willful sins, leaving them, letting them go, and giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses” (Matthew 6:14-15, Amplified Bible translation).

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Could you be treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God with un-forgiveness? Is there a bitter root to cut out?

Is Wormwood already present within you and it is now time to “repent before the great star falls on the waters (souls)?

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The act of forgiveness rejects, overcomes, and defeats the evil spirit of bitterness. Your testimony (forgiveness, grace/mercy) and the Blood of the Lamb overcomes “he” and his minions (Revelation 12:11).

You do have a choice – forgive or hold un-forgiveness. Therefore, ascertain your response to the forgiveness of wrongs/sins of others towards you.

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All evil spirits hamper or restrict the work of the Spirit.   Joy and peace, and the gifts of the Spirit, which comes to those that love the Lord and obey His commandments (wise virgins), are critical in the last days. Our vessel is to be filled for us to be a wise virgin (Matthew 25).

I offer this prayer – a template for to you consider with a soft heart, seeking a closer relationship with God through Jesus Christ and extending yourself in a new, refreshing way to others.

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A Prayer of Forgiveness

“Father God, I reverence You as God. I believe You sent Your son, Jesus Christ, to redeem me from sin and death (eternal separation from You). I believe Jesus gave up His place with You in Glory, took on human form, taught and ministered to all people who would receive Him and submitted himself to unjust punishments (Philippians 2).

I believe Jesus, died on a cruel cross like a common criminal to absolve the debt of my personal sins, the iniquities of my forefathers and the sins of the world. I thank You for raising Jesus from the dead to live forever as my Great High Priest (Hebrews 9-11).

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Search me Lord for holding any un-forgiveness, bitterness, hatred, anger and desire for retaliation to towards anyone (Psalm 139:23).

You have told me in Your Word, that to be forgiven, I must forgive (Matthew 6:14-15).

I choose to obey Your Word (Matthew 19:17, John 14:14-21).

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Father, I plead the work of the Blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God, as a blessed covering and authorization to come before You in this matter. I declare and confirm my forgiveness to:

§ Each and every person, living or dead, who has in any way hurt, disappointed, betrayed, failed, abused or caused unjust pain to me.

§ Every institution, organization or authority that has caused undue hardship in my life because of unfairness, thievery or deceptiveness.

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Father, I wait now for You to bring to my mind, through the Holy Spirit’s ministry, any specific person or situation I need to forgive so that my sin is removed it as far as the East is from the West.

I will to forgive: (Pause here, listen to what the Holy Spirit brings to mind. Then, specifically forgive each person or situation.)

Lord, I ask that Your wisdom envelops my mind as I take steps along the narrow path You place before me. Led me not into temptation but deliver me from evil. I repent, (turning from my selfishness/rebellion to your commandments) to walk in a new direction – along the paths of righteousness (Psalm 23).

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Today, show me where and how I can help others, speak words of encouragement, kindness and demonstrate Your love that You freely give to me (Ephesians 4:32).

Thank you Father God for all the blessings that You provide me and those in my care.

In Jesus Name I pray, Amen.”

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As Paul wrote, this is my prayer for you:

“Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit” (Romans 15:13, NKJV).

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101 Responses to “Wormwood = Spirit of Bitterness”

  1. I don’t usually speak on Jezebel headers, though I understand why and what is being said, but, on Christian sites I find it a curious phenomena and a misunderstood story used to nip the pride of some etc, in the bud that ruins marriages and churches at times.

    My problem with all of this is that Jezebel was the daughter of a Phoenician King, was no Jewess and is the warning of what happens when Gods’ children marry or become entangled outside of the faith.

    It is also a story of how those who hate Gods’ people persecute them and how the foolish person who marries an unbeliever allows great suffering into their lives for this disobedience. I find these facts far more worthy of understanding than just the Jezebel spirit of an unbeliever which is to be expected.

    My difficulty is applying these attributes to God’s children and imputing this unbelievers arrogance in the church, as Jezebel’s,though I am ready to admit and discuss the whoredoms committed by God’s people Jewish or Gentile Christian, for it is surely a part of history and life but I prefer to remember the facts that Jezebel was the Satan using a daughter of a Phoenician King, who both worshipped Bael and Ashtoreth, that stood against a Prophet, a Nation and a People called out by God and the story displayed how even the weakest and most frightened of us will be upheld and delivered as Elijah was by the wonderful God and Saviour who cares for us all and if we persevere He will deliver us from the persecutions of the enemies of Gods’ people.

    Of course I know there are many who suffer from mean people but I am concerned at times about the applications, which of course is none of my business, and yet these are obviously dangerous situations and mis-applications can seriously effect the spiritual discernment required to deal with such mistakes of one of Gods’ children marrying an enemy of Gods’ children.

    I know it is most difficult to deal with this hatred and witchcraft in a marriage but the law of God allows for separation for those who choose not the God of the Believer, they are set free to do so on either side that they might live in peace.

    1 Cor. 7: 15
    New International Version (©1984)
    But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.
    New Living Translation (©2007)
    (But if the husband or wife who isn’t a believer insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the Christian husband or wife is no longer bound to the other, for God has called you to live in peace.)

    English Standard Version (©2001)
    But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

    International Standard Version (©2008)
    But if the unbelieving partner leaves, let him go. In such cases the brother or sister is not under obligation. God has called you to live in peace.

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
    But if he who does not believe separates, let him separate. A brother or sister is not in bondage in such cases. God has called us to peace.

    But if the unbelieving partners leave, let them go. Under these circumstances a Christian man or Christian woman is not bound [by a marriage vow]. God has called you to live in peace.

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    1 Corinthians 7:12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.
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    1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

    The applications and their helps to those in trouble are quite clear and enable an escape and peace to those whose spouse is not saved and does not wish to live in peace with the unbeliever. I remember a Pastors prayer meetings where we learned much from a very old Pastor and he had a man who was a believer who had a wife who was not and beat him etc and he gave him the scriptures as well as warning him that his children who were to go with him had a right to live in peace without fear of the hating spouse even if it was to live only under a legal separation, that was the Christians responsibility to live in peace and not to subject himself or his children to a violent and hating unbelieving spouse and to grant a divorce to the unbeliever if requested for this was spiritually and scripturally spoken of in scripture as above.

    As for the Wormwood star which appears to be the dragon that drew a third of the stars and cast them to earth I have always understood this to be Satan, the Dragon and the third of the angels/ that rebelled and cast our of heavan who came to earth with all his cohorts to bring the bitterness, rebellion and hatred that has caused so many wars and violence on this earth. Jezebel haters of God and HIs people may have been a great part of spreading this bitterness and hatred and wars but that is all inclusive for those who hate His people and God and the resultant bitterness of such chosen fruit.

    Rev 12:3-4 “And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a GREAT dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the THIRD PART of the STARS of heaven and did cast them to the Earth and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born”

    • I am sorry but I misprinted a word unbeliever which should read BELIEVER.

      The applications and their helps to those in trouble are quite clear and enable an escape and peace to those whose spouse is not saved and does not wish to live in peace with the BELIEVER

      …and I must add that when an unbeliever becomes a believer and the unbelieving spouse no longer wishes to remain married to a believer that it appears to mean they are set free to live in peace. I notice the mercy and grace the Lord always shows to unbelievers freedom of choice as much as to His Love of His children is always exemplary which is an attribute of Gods that touched my heart since first I have lived with HIm in my heart and life.

    • Mari jean and all,

      The message within the linked song is powerful and touches the message of this posting –

      “The act of forgiveness rejects, overcomes, and defeats the evil spirit of bitterness. Your testimony (forgiveness, grace/mercy)…You do have a choice – forgive or hold un-forgiveness. Therefore, ascertain your response to the forgiveness of wrongs/sins of others towards you.”

      “For if you forgive people their trespasses [their reckless and willful sins, leaving them, letting them go, and giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their reckless and willful sins, leaving them, letting them go, and giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses” (Matthew 6:14-15, Amplified Bible translation).

  2. There is so much wrong with this interpretation that I wouldn’t even know where to begin. I will say this, at the blowing of the 5th trumpet/1st Woe, the angel that falls from heaven to the earth and who opens the Abyss, is not the same angel that is the king of those demonic beings called Destroyer, who comes out of the Abyss, as these are two separate angels. One is coming to open the Abyss and the other (destroyer), is in the Abyss when the other angel opens it. The angel of the Abyss is that beast who once was, now is not and yet will come up out of the Abyss (Rev.17:8), which takes place here at the 5th trumpet when that angel opens it up. This is the same angel/beast that kills the two witnesses of Revelation 11:7. He is that eighth king who belongs to the to the seven and is going to his destruction (Rev.17:11). He is the same beast who, along with the false prophet, are thrown alive into the lake of fire when the Lord returns at the end of the age (Rev.19:19-20).

    With this spiritual interpretation, you should consider the Scripture that you posted obove, because this is exactly what God was talking about by adding to or taking away from the words of this prophecy:

    ““For I testify to everyone who hears the words of

    the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book” (NKJV).”

    • I am not sure what you are talking about Don or to who but there is an awful lot of interpretations of the seals and the trumpets that people have that are merely their own interpretations and I merely quoted a scripture that speaks of the tail that drew the stars which tell us that these stars were probably the third of the angels. I have not altered any scripture here.

      Luke 10:18 “And he said unto them,

      I beheld Satan as lightning FALL from heaven”

      Rev 8:10 “burning as it were a lamp”

      and checking this one….11: “And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.”

      Strongs’….Wormwood = H3939 la‛an ah lah-an-aw’

      From an unused root supposed to mean to curse; wormwood (regarded as poisonous, and therefore accursed): – hemlock, wormwood.

      Gall = H7219

      ro’sh rosh roshe, roshe

      Apparently the same as H7218; a poisonous plant, probably the poppy (from its conspicuous head); generally poison (even of serpents): – gall, hemlock, posion, venom.

      We often forget that the poison spewed out by Satan and the third of the angels is very bitter and poisonous and kills…. and we are warned here as was the Hebrews below ….

      Jeremiah 9:14 à 15 “But (they) have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them; Therefore thus saith the Lord of host, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them even this people, with WORMWOOD, and give them WATER of gall to DRINK”

      Jeremiah 23:15 “Therefore thus saith the Lord of Hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with WORMWOOD, and make them DRINK THE WATER of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.”

      We Christians have always forgotten that Christ was the only one worthy to open the seals and it is wrong to assume that the opening of the seals occur only in our last day. I suspect that when the Lord left the earth He entered Heavan and was the only one able to open the seals and probably began then to open many of the seals. None of us should abrogate the right to only consider the next couple years as the only time Christ may open the seals. And as for the trumpets, I suspect there is but one left to come for we are almost at the night hours before the day will come to finish all….

      Another thing is that we have been warned that our warfare is not with flesh and blood as Ephesians 6: 12 says and we can make grave mistakes to assume otherwise.

      New International Version (©1984)
      For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
      New Living Translation (©2007)
      For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

      English Standard Version (©2001)
      For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

      So it is not unusual that many have preached that this star of wormwood is Satan when we read all scripture and that he is the Dragon that draws one third of the stars/angels as the scripture says… and remember everything in scripture is more four dimensional because the Lord gives us many views of one event or many events which is why we have four gospels and not one…. and all the rest of the books because He wants us to see the eyes the the feet the heart of the thing in everything… and this capsule view of Satan attacking Israel and the war in the heavans is just another picture of the war that has and is taking place against Man, Israel, the Saviour and us if we would but open our hearts and brain as much as our eyes…..

      Revelation 12

      12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

      2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

      3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

      4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

      5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

      6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

      7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

      8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

      9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

      10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

      11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

      12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

      13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

      14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

      15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

      16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

      17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

      • Especially look at this scripture how the abundance of the sea speaks of saved of the gentile sea….

        Isaiah 60:3à5 ” And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising, Lift up thine eyes round about, and see all they gather themselves together, they come to thee; thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shall see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; be enlarged; because THE ABUNDANCE OF THE SEA shall be converted unto the, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

        Notice it – a large multitude of people referred to as : THE SEA” and they will be “converted to” the saints who “rise” when Christ returns. Here we clearly have water “the sea” used as a symbol of a multitude of mankind.

    • Don,

      As I wrote, you can disagree with my “end of the age and His soon coming” interpretation – Okay. 

      I have no defense to opinion/interpretation and offer no argument. The “signs”, lesson and other evidence are clear to me, just waiting a few more weeks and see.

      Rev 22:18 does get overlooked by many – as
      it does apply to teachers (expressing doctrine as Truth) for Pre-Trib and all other positions. I accept that verse as written, by His mercy and grace.

      Thought I would share some interpretations of Rev with  what I know (comprehend through study and experience), of demonic spirits, which wage war against our soul. Bitterness, Pride and Rebellion/Control seem to carry the heavy load for
      Satan.

      So, bitterness does not need to be such a big “torch”. Evidence or manifestations of this spirit of bitterness are found in derisive comments or attitudes. Such a “spirit” can hide and erupt. When it shows itself, then there is opportunity to assess the condition of flesh/soul.

      I once was very derisive and judgmental to many differences. Woe!  

      Still catch myself, before I speak, (trying to “bring every thought captive”). Some moments are more difficult than others. Still have my issues with ASU football fans. Must be that sun devil thing.

      Before I was freed (delivered) from oppressive spirits of bitterness, pride and “religion”, there was little joy, not much peace and more criticism. I hate every evil spirit and they know it too. 

      Do you comprehend Wormwood of Rev 9:10-11 as a “star” or “demonic” spirit? Please, explain.

  3. We must be careful to remember…

    1 Cor 15:46 “Howbeit that was NOT first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; (Physical) and afterward that which is spiritual”

    We see many spiritual things portrayed in physical symbols. Paul compares Israel to a tree planted on earth and Christ the Branch come forth out of it and I a wild branch grafted in through the blood of Christ shed for my salvation.

    This is a total mixture of real/natural/physical and spiritual undertakings that took thousands of years to bring about….so it is no surprize that God does not change in everything He does, so the Hebrews had to look to over 2300 years for Jerusalem to be trampled under foot of the gentile …to be scattered to the four corners of the earth, to be slaughtered… to be restored as a nation… etc…

    why am I a branch…and wild… why is Zechariah describing two olive branches pouring oil out of themselves to bring light to a candlestick…why do I say this is Israel and Gentile Christians ..two olive branches bringing the light to the world and why when God says to His people Israel YOU ARE MY WITNESS… TO ISRAEL, why do Christians ignore that?

    He said this We are and have been HIS WITNESS… BUT… Christians still look for two men to appear and be killed as were the TWO WITNESSES by Rome and Islam the Cradle of Judaiism and the Cradle of Christianity and when we saw the Cradle of Judaiism the bones knit together and Israel restored and become a nation land restored a WITNESS alive again before the world are we not content to rejoice that Ezekiel 37 is fulfilled ???…no we still look for Elijah or Moses etc… to return and do what has already been done by HIS WITNESS…I look to more of Christianity being restored when Ezekiel 38 & 39 occur and destroys the enemies of God’s Witnesses and then we all meet him together as the dead rise first and we are changed… there is a much greater story to hear and see than Christians who have blinded themselves as did the Leaders and teachers of the Jews and could not see Jesus not coming to deliver them then from their enemies at that time…so today Christians figure their own ideas into how he is to return and by then it will be too late because they missed it all along…the nature of man is after all the same throughout the ages of man.

  4. I show you this and just for remembrance that when we see the comparison of the Words the Lord uses in His Scriptures to describe the actual it can’t help but lead us to back up and very carefully consider the real depth of all HIs Prophecies to His People and mankind of what He who has ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to His Children through the ages….

    Anointing = Receiving Holy Spirit

    Bad figs = Bad people

    Bad tree = Bad leader

    Baptism = Death, burial, and resurrection

    Beam in your own eye = Great sin in yourself blinding you

    Branches = True Brethren

    Candle upon a Lamp-stand – Godly example Witness

    Captain of Salvation = CHRIST

    CHRIST knocking = Encouraging repentance of the Church

    Chief cornerstone = CHRIST

    Clay = Teachable people

    Crowns = Authority – Rulership

    Daniels image = Ruling empires

    Drink deadly things = Saints able to see thru false doctrine

    Eye salve = Healing our spiritual vision

    Early rain = Gods word to 1st ecclesia (Physical Israel)

    Fiery cloven tongues = Holy Spirit descending on men

    Fire coming down from heaven = Holy Spirit entering men

    First fruits = Elect

    Fertile ground = Person who is teachable

    Good figs = Good people

    Good fruit = Evidence of Holy Spirit in individuals

    Gold tried in the fire = Character built in sincere repentance

    Good tree = Good leader

    Hills = Small nations

    Holy temple = Spiritual church

    Lamb = CHRIST

    Lambs blood on door-posts = CHRISTS blood protecting us

    Lamp oil = Holy Spirit in sufficient supply

    Lamp unto my feet = God’s word and Law are like this

    Latter rain = Gods word to 2nd ecclesia (Spiritual Israel)

    Leavening = Sin that “puffs-up”

    Leavened bread = Sin in mankind

    Light unto my path-way = God’s word and Law is like this

    Luke warm = Lacking zeal

    Mountains = Larger nations

    Noachian flood = Baptism

    Open door no man can shut = Gods work unhindered

    Olive oil = Holy Spirit

    Pearl of Great Price = Kingdom of God

    Pearls before swine = Explaining godliness to the ungodly

    Poor, blind, & naked = Unaware of your own faults

    Potter = Creator God

    Pure drinkable water = Holy Spirit

    Rainbow = Symbol of Gods promise not to repeat the flood

    Refiners fire = Purifying our character

    Rich & increased with goods = Arrogance of self assurance

    Rivers & fountains of water = Global Christian community

    Rivers of Living Water = Spirit led truth

    Roaring lion = Satan

    Rock = CHRIST

    Rocky ground = Person who is not teachable

    Sand = Uncertain foundation

    Salt of the Earth = Godly people

    Scorpions = Demons

    Sealed = Sanctified by God

    Serpents = Demons or devils

    Seven-lamp-stands = 7 Churches

    Seven-stars = 7 Angles

    Sheep = Brethren

    Shew bread = First fruits from the 12 tribes of Israel

    Smoke ascending from incense = Prayers of the saints

    Sowing seeds = Teaching people GOD’s word

    Spews out of CHRISTS mouth = Separated from CHRIST Splinter in someone’s eye = Small sin you see in others

    Stones of temple = Saints

    Take up serpents = Saints able to withstand demons

    Talents = Special abilities

    Tares = False brethren

    Thorny ground = Person preoccupied with worldliness

    Two edged sword = Word of God

    Two-olive trees = 2 Witnesses Israel & Christ Saved or Old and New Testament… by both written

    Unleavened bread = CHRIST’S flesh

    Unleavened bread = Man without sin

    Using fullers soap = Repentance

    Vessels of Honor = Righteous person

    Vine = CHRIST

    Vinedresser = CHRIST

    Virgins = Church

    Wave sheaf offering = CHRISTS sacrifice

    Wheat = Brethren

    White fields to harvest = Conversion of men

    White robes = Righteousness

    Wine = CHRIST’S blood

    Wolves clothed as sheep = False ministers

    Wormwood – False preaching – bitterness

    There are so many more in the scriptures that could be placed here and these are just a few…

    • This is what we were taught long ago by but a few teachers which is really the sum total of much and as DJ above says and I say which causes the bitterness of soul and heart and keeps so much of mankind from entering the Kingdom of God…by partaiking of the hate and bitterness of Satans lot and of course it is only a little bit of the whole…

      The Wormwood described is the eviction of Satan from heaven. He is thrown to the Earth with one third of the angels, which had rebelled and are now his demons. They actively attack the Jewish and Christian community, which comprises one third of the people on Earth by spewing out their poisonous venom using a false message designed to pervert and counterfeit the true gospel and the true message of the Kingdom of GOD. ~……..

      I suspect that we fill up the third of the mighty angels that have spurned their beautiful haven and their God and through His Grace many more are filling up for the whole of His Kinddom that which rejected HIm. In that light He and His great story of Salvation to us is no small thing nor is the loss and gain… for God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son that whosoever would believe on Him should have everlasting life… Oh what a wonder to behold.

      Consider this if you are afraid of shattered ideals of prophecy:

      In 1994 astronomers observed the Shoemaker-Levy Comet crashing into Jupiter. They were able to observe that enormous damage was done to the planet by a small comet, which fragmented into many smaller pieces. Now consider that Jupiter is the largest of all the planets and is eleven times larger than the Earth. A “comet” is a relatively small heavenly body compared to a star. Yet the description in Revelation 8 is that of a “GREAT STAR”. If we are going to hold to seeing this prophecy in a purely physical way then we can’t rationalize away the meaning of “great star” to “force it to fit” what we believe is being described here. If an actual star collided with the Earth – let alone a “great star” – scientists assure us that the Earth could not survive such an event. God is the creator and has set in motion the laws that govern HIS universe. To believe and teach that such a thing could occur is to set aside the laws God has set in motion and revealed to us. We have seen significant evidence of what happens when heavenly bodies collide and know for certain that nothing described as a “great star” could literally collide with earth and fully two thirds of humanity survive the event.

      • Marie Jean,

        Dear sister-in-Christ, God bless you.

        Your quick definitions are excellent, thank you.

        Applying those quick definitions, consider these lines. 

        The Kingdom of God is “righteousness, peace and joy in the Spirit” (Romans 14:17).

        So, who is the King of Righteousness and the Prince of Peace? Jesus.

        Jesus said, “…I in them, and You in Me, that they may be made perfect in one…And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me be in them, and I in them” (John 18:23-26).

        The mystery of the Gospel (Good News), is that believers in the Lord Jesus Christ carry within there spirit – The Kingdom of Heaven.

        “For you were bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s” (1st Corinthians 6:20).
         
        We have the Holy Spirit, who guides and council us.

        The eternal Kingdom (righteousness, peace and joy) is ours, thank you Lord.

        Therefore, as Believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, we are graciously give the keys to the Kingdom, binding and loose. By His name, snakes and scorpions can be under our feet (if we have that knowledge).

        Scorpions harm/oppress us (by our willful decision or lack of knowledge). But, we can put them under our authority (under our feet), binding and casting them out our flesh/soul – in the name of Jesus. 

        Oh, you know Satan did fall like lightening when he witnessed all those people set free from his bondage. 

        This is his greatest fear: Believers set free from his bondage, once believers realize not only are they “saved” from death to eternal life, but can be free from the sin that so often enslaved us (name any “sin” you know or call it a “personality defect” if you like).

        Read Psalm 18 and 34. He delivers us, if we but repent and call on His name. 

        Oh, that we but only forgive and seek forgiveness, releasing us from the spirit of bitterness.

        The prayer offered at the end of this post is so important to ponder, contemplate and offer up. 

        “Let no bitterness, wrath, anger, loud quarreling and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice” (Ephesians 4:31). 

        Put away? Bind it and cast it out in the name of Jesus. 

        Jesus said, “ask anything in my name and it shall be done.” 

        Therefore, in His name – bind bitterness and cast it out (“put it away”).

        Blessings,
        Psalm 40

    • wow

      good comment

      • Yes, “wow “indeed Mary Jean,…have just read your posts…what more can be said..? Regarding the two witnesses; of course the idea of two actual people is fanciful , and to take it a stage further and nominate them to be Elijah and Moses is more of the same. Has anyone considered the two witnesses to be the Word of God; the Old and New Testaments, because I suspect that it will take a little more than two persons to carry out the required preaching work!

        • Richard
          Actually yes, I stated the same thing (somewhere on this site). I was thinking this could be another double meaning/message by God’s Word. It could very well be the Old and New Testaments or at the least the Word that comes from them. I also had thoughts that the 2 witnesses may be the ones who can accurately decipher the Word in combination of the signs in heaven ie. the woman clothed in the sun and the moon at her feet and 12 stars as a crown (virgo) and Saturn/dragon ready to devour her child.

          So, if Elijah & Moses return, or it’s 2 astronomers, or even 2 laymen who ‘preach’ what they have discovered and they are 100% accurate… how many will listen or even believe them? So, I can see it being preached for the period of time stated and yet being dismissed. Thus, the 2 witnesses may represent the OT+NT in combination with 2 actual men in the flesh. The fact that they are ‘killed’ may mean the Word or preaching is denied. The masses ignoring it…as in the days of Noe.

          • Zec 4:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right [side] of the bowl, and the other upon the left [side] thereof.


            Zec 4:11 ¶ Then answered I, and said unto him, What [are] these two olive trees upon the right [side] of the candlestick and upon the left [side] thereof?


            Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
            -

            • Marianne :)

              yes, yes… And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

              Ok here’s the thing about these 2. Some like to say they are Elijah and Moses. But Elijah (a jew) and Enoch (gentile) were the only 2 taken up without death by God and who stand before Him. So, who is really gonna show up? Malachi 4:5 confirms that Elijah will return. So one down, one to go lol. We know Moses was considered the greatest prophet until Jesus Christ came. Enoch alike was a great pre-flood prophet. But we also know Moses died a natural death, so wouldn’t he be laying in wait until the final judgement? Thus, it seems that the 2 olive trees/candlesticks may be Elijah and Enoch.

              any thoughts?

              • I thought it was interesting that the image of the two olive trees goes back to the time of Zachariah, and Zerubabel.

                The 7 candlesticks and lamps were also mentioned, so the imagery in Revelation is not a new one, but one that has continued for thousands of years.

                As stated in Zechariah, they are “anointed ones,” which usually describes kings and prophets. So who has been on record as being “anointed?”

    • Marie Jean – Now that is a good post – Not very many people understand the Spiritual side – The Bible is a Spiritual book and without the Holy Spirit you will get lost in it.
      Most professing Christians today do not have the Holy Spirit and that is what interprets the Bible for you after you heard Word message from someone. Jesus was to Spiritual for the natural church of His day – along with Paul etc, etc. And they were hated. Same today
      One point worth noting – Jezebel became a leader over Israel by Politics not a spiritual birth. Ahab married her and finally Judah’s King married Jezebels daughter. The Kings were wimps and let their Kingdoms be run by Jezebel and daughter.
      So here is the exact type of it in the O.T and N.T Church ages – They took over the TRUE REVELATION that Moses O.T — and Apostles laid down and went into paganism. And that is the Catholic Church Teachings of Wormwood that took over N.T. And Still has infected the Protestants as I speak.
      You have to be “Born into” the City of God – and then all these Jezebel dontrines of devils will be revealed to you for what they are. You cannot marry into the City until you Get Married to Jesus Christ. Not paganism.

      Bro Maxwell – I have to comend you on your Post – only thing I would really say that is absolutely wrong is the 3 -1/2 years tribulation period in not what you think – You are not going to see a Elijah – and Moses walking around Jerusalem preaching Christ to the Nation. Jews have been coming in to the City of God for a long time now. By hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Just like we heard. Lord bless you for the Post dear Brother.

      • Tom ..I really appreciated your insight because it reflects so much of the history and present day, but I think it is reflected also in the infection on mankind and his spirit for God is reaching out to all peoples and that wormwood has infected all. Sometimes it is hard putting it into the right words. It sure reflects some of what has happened in the churches over the ages. No one ever wants to rid the churches of the flesh that controls and keeps out the Lord.

        Your thoughts on Elijah and Moses is exactly what I think is true too, but I would not know how the Spirit of Elijah will come though I have experienced in my own foundations the most incredible outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the 60’s/70’s and remember the air you breathed no matter where we all went in fellowship, prayer, work and play, church or beach, He was the air we breathed and filled us continually and we were simply saturated for years with His Holiness and Joy and Beauty and truth as He cleansed us and touched everything around us as much as He flowed through us. I know at that time the Holy Spirit was poured out throughout the world and it seemed like a world wide movement of saving so many off the streets and lost but hungering, in those days, for Him who made us all, and many of us discovering He made a way for us to cross over that bridge through the blood spent sacrifice of His Son. We thought then these were the latter rains…for they were indeed a spiritual baptism I have never seen the like since except in the third worlds poor and abused where He never leaves them.

        I think what you said of Elijah and Moses is true too Tom because He never does things the way we think He should but, the way He always does things as He Knows best. Appreciated your pointing this out. The Nations have been preached to and I understood that the Wycliff society had reached the last tribes of the earth that were without words with the Bible translated in their own tongues. I think the times of the Gentiles is over because the veil has been lifting from the Jewish peoples in these last 75 years or so. The judgement on the Nations is what I see beginning.

        “One point worth noting – Jezebel became a leader over Israel by Politics not a spiritual birth. Ahab married her and finally Judah’s King married Jezebels daughter. The Kings were wimps and let their Kingdoms be run by Jezebel and daughter.
        So here is the exact type of it in the O.T and N.T Church ages – They took over the TRUE REVELATION that Moses O.T — and Apostles laid down and went into paganism. And that is the Catholic Church Teachings of Wormwood that took over N.T. And Still has infected the Protestants as I speak.

        You are not going to see a Elijah – and Moses walking around Jerusalem preaching Christ to the Nation. Jews have been coming in to the City of God for a long time now. By hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Just like we heard”

        Yes, DJ above, we do have the Holy Spirit if we will but receive Him in His fullness and truth.

      • Tom, thank you for your contribution here and blessing.

        I want to share more on this important posted topic. It is critical to our “health” of our flesh and soul.

        A demonic Bitterness Spirit in “believers”?

        Say it isn’t so!  But, it is so.

        Acts 8:9-24 is a powerful account of spiritual warfare, discernment and “deliverance”.

        Simon’s profession/business is scorsery (witchcraft). 

        He hears the Gospel and accepts the Truth, rejecting his “craft” and demonic work, which is a serious form of “iniquity”.

        Simon was obedient unto baptism (a big event, for all to see).

        Simon was taught the Scriptures and teachings of Jesus by Philip (the man with a real life example of “rapture” in verse 39).

        Peter and John arrives to proclaim Truth and anointing believers with gifts of the Spirit.

        Simon (an infant believer), sees a business opportunity with the application of the Power with gifts of the Holy Spirit.

         Hummmm? It’s looks like a false prophet, celebrity kind of “preacher” business opportunity  – pass the plate and write your check cause I got the un-revokable gift. Oh, such a temptation to abuse the Holy gifts.

        Peter sees (discernment – mature believer), a spirit of bitterness within Simon! 

        Peter discerned the “root cause” of Simon’s iniquity (demon), and it was not envy, jealousy, or Simon’s presenting request (payment for this “power” to acquire influence like the days when he worked  his “craft”).

        Peter saw bitterness was deep and needed to be “cast out”.

        Simon’s reply was asking for prayer. He says “I do not want it to come upon me!” 

        Here is my guess, just a guess. Maybe Simon’s e-wife had the Jezebel spirit and he became angry, resentful and filled up with bitterness over that woman’s “personality” (Jezebel). Jezebel and Wormwood do come from the same corner of the darkness and operate in the same circles, play in the same house too.

        We have no clue as to what the doorway opened up within Simon to allow  bitterness to take root. There are many relationships that become disappointments or painful, with un-forgiveness knocking at heart’s door. I had mine, as a believer and it opened wide to spirit of bitterness.

        With Peter’s discernment (Hebrews 5:14), calling Simon to repentance, Simon requested prayer earnestly! 

        Maybe Simon recalls these lines from Psalm 38 as he and Peter release the spirit of bitterness oppresses his flesh/soul.

        At this time, for this reason – I think Simon comes to the LORD seeking deliverence from a evil spirit with the cleansing Blood of the Lamb.

        “O Jehovah, rebuke me not in thy wrath; Neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure. For thine arrows stick fast in me, And thy hand presseth me sore.There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine indignation; Neither is there any health in my bones because of my sin. 

        For mine iniquities are gone over my head: As a heavy burden they are too heavy for me. My wounds are loathsome and corrupt, because of my foolishness. 

        I am pained and bowed down greatly; I go mourning all the day long. For my loins are filled with burning; and there is no soundness in my flesh. I am faint and sore bruised: I have groaned by reason of the disquietness of my heart.

        Lord, all my desire is before thee; and my groaning is not hid from thee. My heart throbbeth, my strength faileth me: as for the light of mine eyes, it also is gone from me…Yea, I am as a man that heareth not, and in whose mouth are no reproofs.For in thee, O Jehovah, do I hope: Thou wilt answer, O Lord my God….For I am ready to fall, and my sorrow is continually before me.For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin…Forsake me not, O Jehovah: O my God, be not far from me. 

        Make haste to help me, O Lord, my salvation” (Psalm 38, American Standard Version).

      • Thomas,

        Never said those two would be walking around the city or Temple Mount.

        As for the the 7 weeks of Daniel (signs, lesson, seals and Matthew 24-25), in my reading and eyes:

        I reason that we are the “fig tree generation.”

        November 1947, the command goes forth from the UN to establish Israel + 70 years (a generation per Psalms 90:10) = 2017 and the end of the age (Matthew 24). Jesus said, all these things I tell you will come to pass within this generation.

        Jubilee year: 
        October 14, 1967 (Yom Kippur) + 49 years  = Oct 12, 2016 (Yom   Kippur,  10th of Tishrei, 5777).

        The 50th year of Jubilee (God’s rest) begins after Yom Kippur 2016 and most  likely starts during the Feasts of Tabernacles 2016. (hebrew4christians is an excellent website to read about God’s Feast days (all 6). 

        Now, consider these dates.

        Oct 2016 – 7 “weeks” of Daniel = Oct 2009.

        On October 9, 2009 (Feasts of Tabernacles), a “crown” (prize) was given to the rider of white horse, while he “confirmed peace with many a month before at the UN The date of the UN speech was 09/09/09 (Seal 1).

        Oct 9, 2009  (Feast of Tabernacles) + 7 years (Daniel’s 7 weeks)  = October 10, 2016 (Yom Kippur).

        Please, Google this date October 9, 2009. 

        With this timeline (2009 to 2016), the Tribulation Mid-point is March 22,2013,which just happens to be the day after winter and before Sabbath (Matthew 24).

        The 10 virgins are sleeping. 

        Soon, they will awake to a “cry”,
        which is not a shout or a trumpet. It is a “cry” that gets them awake! It must be very alarming.

        Think mid-Trib, 3.5 years into the 7 “weeks” of Daniel time line and this “cry” is heard by all 10 virgins.  Seal 1, 2 and 3 must be open, of course.

        This cry is heard (in my opinion) at an event when “he” is revealed after 3.5 days  – but he is now filled with Satan. 

        When such an event takes place even the foolish virgins will realize, “The Lord is coming soon!” 

        Seal one opened October 9, 2009 with a crown (prize) given  for “confirming peace” with the world on 09/09/09. Key word is “confirmed” peace. It is not “makes” or “signs” a peace agreement.

        Seal two opened with “Arab Spring” (Dec 2010) and continues today.  Key word is “terrain” or “region” not earth.

        Seal three will be fully open later this year (major economic crisis). But, the new oil and wine (Rev 6:6), is not harmed (Joel 2:21-24).

        Early next year, when we see The Antichrist in the flesh, the foolish virgins turn to the wise virgins asking for oil. But, the wise do not sell or give their oil (Proverbs 23:23),which is the Kingdom (as in the Pearl and Treasure).

        The wise virgins remain in the house, (Isaiah 26:20-21).

        The mighty of the Lord’s Army (verse 11), men go to war (Joel 2:2-11).

        We overcome (Rev 12:11) and those that overcome and endure, reign with Him (Psalm 118, 2 Tim 2:12).

        I believe and think that His reign (God’s rest), begins on the last Feast of the last year (49) as we enter into Jubilee (50), which is one day during the Feast of Tabernacles 2016, or with weeks of that date. 

        We don’t know the day or hour, but we should know within a few weeks of the end of the age and His coming.

        Best to you.

    • I saw this site too…

  5. Thank you DJ – thats the truth. I believe right with you dear saint. Lord bless you is my prayer.
    And It is so good to see the Spiritual side being talked about on this forum. It is a must side we all got to know. The Spiritual is the Revelation that brings real faith to the Bride. Overcoming Faith – Because it comes from Gods Mouth and not mans. Brought to us By LOVING HIM WITH ALL OUR HEART. This Age is “everything” or nothing. Love you all and let bitterness depart from us all. Holy Spirit does not fight Holy Spirit. It has to agree sooner or later if you Love Jesus.

  6. References to ‘WORMWOOD’…
    Rev 8:10-11 “And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.”
    A Great Star
    Named “Wormwood”
    Falling from Heaven
    Burning as a lamp
    Falls Only on the Rivers and Fountains of Water,
    These fresh water sources are Made Bitter by this great star.
    It Causes Death of men because of these waters
    Jeremiah 23:15 “Therefore thus saith the Lord of Hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with WORMWOOD, and make them DRINK THE WATER of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.”
    Interesting that only the ‘waters’ are affected and not the actual physical earth by some collision. Great Star? could mean fallen angel (satan) or bright light/lightening as confirmed that it fell from Heaven. (and not a planet per se as the Niburi cult believes it to be) It’s NAME is Wormwood. This brings to mind the wormwood tree and when you visualize the wood it is full of holes and weakened by the wormholes and not very strong to make solid furniture out of. Thus, Wormwood is bad and not good to use. We see a reference to a ‘burning lamp’ which normally is the Word or light of God which is good. However, it does not say it IS the lamp of God, but; rather ‘AS’ a lamp, meaning a fake, or facsimile. It would make sense that it ONLY falls on the Rivers and Fountains of Water (those in Christ washed in the waters/blood) and many changed by bitterness from the tainted word. And many died from the (tainted/bitter) water. A spiritual death.
    Jeremiah 23:15 supports this by showing the prophets ‘ate’ the beliefs and also ‘drank’ the contaminated water of gall. side note: you can live without your gall(bladder) but you cannot live with a poisoned gall(bladder) LOL
    This points to babylon (again lol) and the talmud sect which spread out throughout Judaism and the world.
    thoughts: the third of the waters may be the Christians or could it be the 1/3 of fallen angels who fell with lucifer….

  7. Simon the Magus! The True history of this man- Bro. Maxwell and most all post on the subject of Wormwood is very good. There is alot of History about Simon the Magus here is just a small portion of his bitterness.
    The reason Luke describes the intentions of this man so thoroughly is the profound effect this man, and his followers, had on God’s Church in Asia Minor, Greece, and ESPECIALLY ROME. Actually, this man by 62 A.D., (when Luke composed the book of Acts) had caused the True Church so much trouble that Luke had to show the people that he was NOT, as he claimed to be, a part of the Christian Church.
    All scholars realize that Luke tells about Simon’s beginning because of his later notoriety and danger to the Church.
    In this regard, notice the comment of Hasting’s Dictionary of the Apostolic Church, Vol. 2, p. 496: “It seems beyond question that Luke KNEW THE REPUTATION which Simon acquired, and that he regarded the subsequent history of Simon as the natural result of what occurred in the beginning of his connection with the Christians.”
    If we assume that Luke recorded this encounter of the Apostles with Simon Magus simply to show that “simony” was wrong, we miss the point completely. There is a score of places in other parts of the Bible to show the error of buying ecclesiastical gifts.
    Luke was exposing SIMON MAGUS HIMSELF. This IS the important point!! Luke was clearly showing that Simon was NEVER a part of God’s Church, even though by 62 A.D., many people were being taught that Simon was truly a Christian — taught that he was the HEAD of the only TRUE Christians; the Apostle to the Gentiles!

    What Luke Tells Us About Simon Magus
    Notice the points Luke places clearly before us.
    Simon was a Samaritan, not a Jew — (Acts 8:9). Remember that the Bible tells us salvation was of the Jews — not of the Samaritans (John 4:22).
    Simon Magus greatly used demonistic powers to do miracles and wonders (Acts 8:9).
    The whole population of Samaria (both small and great) gave heed to him (Verse 10). He was looked on as the greatest prophet — all SamaritBELIEVEDIVED IN HIM!
    The Samaritans WORSHIPPED him as “the Great One” — a god. “This man is that power of God called Great [that is the Almighty]” (RSV. Verse 10).
    Imagine it! They called him god in the flesh!
    Luke is also careful to inform us that Simon had become firmly established in Samaria as “the Great One” and had practiced his powers ” for a long time” (Verse 11)
    Luke wants us to understand that he nominally became a Christian (“Simon himself believed”) and was baptized — that is, he physically, outwardly “entered” the Christian Church (Verse 13).
    Simon even recognized that Christ’s power was greater than his but wanted to be associated with that great name (Verse 13).
    Simon, seeing the potential of the Christian religion waited until the authorities, Peter and John, came to Samaria and then offered to pay them money to OBTAIN AN APOSTLESHIP IN THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH (Verses 18-21).
    Simon Coveted Apostle’s Office
    Those who carelessly read this section of Scripture may get the mistaken notion that Simon wanted only to buy the Holy Spirit. Yes, he wanted that — but his main intention went far beyond. He had eyes on becoming an APOSTLE!
    Peter immediately perceived his intention and said “You have neither PART nor LOT in this matter” (Verse 21). The true Apostles had been chosen after Christ’s death to take PART in the apostleship by LOT (Acts 1:25, 26). Peter was telling Simon HE couldn’t buy an APOSTLESHIP.
    Luke is showing that Simon wanted to be one of the APOSTLES — a top man in the Christian Church. He was after that office. After all Simon imagined himself to be fully qualified to be an APOSTLE, especially over the Samaritans since they already looked to him as the greatest religious leader of the age. However, Peter rebuked him sternly.
    Peter perceived that Simon was in the “gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity [lawlessness]” (Verse 23).
    NOTE: This verse has been misunderstood because the King James Version fails to give the full force of Peter’s accusation. This verse when understood in the manner Peter intended, is one of the most important of the whole chapter. IT IS A PROPHECY! Peter knew the mind of this man and what this man was to become. This is made plain by Sir William Ramsay in his Pictures of the Apostolic Church, p. 60. He says: “Peter rebuked him in strong and PROPHETIC TERMS. The PROPHECY is concealed in the ordinary translation: the Greek means ‘thou art FOR a gall of bitterness and a fetter of unrighteousness [lawlessness]’, i.e., a cause of bitterness and corruption to others.”
    This makes it plain. Peter was uttering a prophecy by the Holy Spirit. He was telling what this Simon was to become; Lange’s Commentary says:
    “Peter’s words, literally, mean: ‘I regard you as a man whose influence WILL BE like that of bitter gall [poison] and a bond of unrighteousness [lawlessness], or, as a man who has reached such a state’.” (Vol. 9, p. 148).
    Not only was Simon, in Peter’s time, a great antagonist to the Church, but he would be the adversary of the future.
    This prophecy is the KEY that opens to our understanding the ORIGINS of the heresies mentioned in the letters of the Apostles. Peter clearly knew wouldn’t’twouldn’t’t repent. Verse 22 shows that in the original.
    Gall of Bitterness Defined
    It is also interesting to note Peter’s statement that Simon was to become a “gall of bitterness.” People today may not realize the exact meaning of such a phrase, but no Jew in the First Century was in any doubt as to its meaning.
    It was a figure of speech adopted from the Old Testament which denoted going over to the idols and abominations of the heathen. Read Deuteronomy 29:16-18 and see how plainly this figure of speech is used. When the Apostle Peter applied to Simon Magus the phrase “gall of bitterness,” he meant that Simon would be the responsible party for the introduction of heathen beliefs and idols into Christianity. The prophecy takes on a new and important scope when we realize this real meaning of Peter’s prophecy.
    No wonder Jude later says, speaking about the very men who followed Simon Magus (including Simon himself): “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ORDAINED to this condemnation” (Verse 4). We can be confident that Peter recognized that Satan was going to use this Simon Magus as the GREAT PROTAGONIST OF FALSE CHRISTIANITY.
    The later history of Simon Magus shows that Peter’s prophecy came true in a most remarkable way.
    Simon Magus Unrepentant
    Even after Peter’s strong rebuke, Simon DID NOT REPENT! And Peter knew that he wouldn’t’t!
    Conclusion: This means that Simon thought he deserved to be an Apostle –if not the chief Apostle — in the Christian Church. He became baptized which, in a physical way, made him ostentatiously a “member.” It is important to remember that he DID NOT REPENT of his error. There is not the slightest hint that he gave up believing that he had divine right to be an Apostle.
    He deliberately continued in this error, with his later followers –calling himself “Christian”! It is because of the later deceptive activities of this would-be Apostle that Luke was compelled to show his ignominious beginning and to reveal what Peter prophesied about him.
    It is by identifying the real beginning of the great false church system with this Simon that opens up a whole new vista of understanding in regard to the counterfeit Christianity which began even in the infancy of the Church.

    • interesting commentary

    • yikessss! remember when you were a kid and played ‘Simon says’?

    • Tom and All,

      So sad to read early church history (per history not inspired writing), learning that Simon did not repent. Without reading this history, I read his words “Pray that this does not come to pass”, as sincere, desiring communion with the Lord.

      Seems my earnest desire for all to repent of a spirit of bitterness (including Simon) is met with disappointment in his case. Seed falls on all types of ground.

      In the case of Simon – the seed of the Word, (accepted and baptism), grew to a point only to writher and die out, due to a root of bitterness.
      This leads me to bring these verses from the writer of Hebrews to our attention – Please pay close attention as this is written to Believers.
      “Exercise foresight and be on the watch to look [after one another], to see that no one falls back from and fails to secure God’s grace (His unmerited favor and spiritual blessing), in order that no root of resentment (rancor, bitterness, or hatred) shoots forth and causes trouble and bitter torment, and the many become contaminated and defiled by it—That no one may become guilty of sexual vice, or become a profane (godless and sacrilegious) person as Esau did, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you understand that later on, when he wanted [to regain title to] his inheritance of the blessing, he was rejected (disqualified and set aside), for he could find no opportunity to repair by repentance [what he had done, no chance to recall the choice he had made], although he sought for it carefully with [bitter] tears” (Hebrews 12:15-17, AMP).

      Now, please consider James 3 as this is again written to Believers.

      Bitterness comes out in the spoken word.

      Notice – the tongue is likened to a fire (torch?). Hello?! That star falls like a torch, get it? Please, open up to some discernment (Hebrews 5:14).

      “Even so the tongue is a little member, and it can boast of great things. See how much wood or how great a forest a tiny spark can set ablaze! And the tongue is a fire. [The tongue is a] world of wickedness set among our members, contaminating and depraving the whole body and setting on fire the wheel of birth (the cycle of man’s nature), being itself ignited by hell (Gehenna).

      For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea animal, can be tamed and has been tamed by human genius (nature).
      But the human tongue can be tamed by no man. It is a restless (undisciplined, irreconcilable) evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse men who were made in God’s likeness!

      Out of the same mouth come forth blessing and cursing. These things, my brethren, ought not to be so. Does a fountain send forth [simultaneously] from the same opening fresh water and bitter?” (James 3:5-11, AMP).

      Oh my goodness! What is this?

      Full of deadly poison?!

      Fresh water becoming bitter?!

      How could this be? Must be a reason for God to permit a star called Wormwood to fall on the waters to make them bitter? Repent!

      Let us return to Simon and what becomes of the seed and believers as we read in Luke (same guy that wrote Acts).

      “Now the meaning of the parable is this: The seed is the Word of God.
      Those along the traveled road are the people who have heard; then the devil comes and carries away the message out of their hearts, that they may not believe (acknowledge Me as their Savior and devote themselves to Me) and be saved [here and hereafter].

      And those upon the rock [are the people] who, when they hear [the Word], receive and welcome it with joy; but these have no root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation fall away (withdraw and stand aloof).

      And as for what fell among the thorns, these are [the people] who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked and suffocated with the anxieties and cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not ripen (come to maturity and perfection).

      But as for that [seed] in the good soil, these are [the people] who, hearing the Word, hold it fast in a just (noble, virtuous) and worthy heart, and steadily bring forth fruit with patience” (Luke 8:11-15, AMP).

      Please, consider your heart and any speck of un-forgiveness that may be present – consider the prayer offered at the end of the post.

      Don’t be a Simple Simon.

      Blessings

      • dmcal ..dj
        Curiously enough the word used in this scripture is in the Greek apsinthos-definition wormwood and is the same word used for bitter and translated bitter not wormwood and of unkinown origin so…

        894 ápsinthos – a bitter plant known as “wormwood”; (figuratively) what is intensely bitter (grievous), bringing on very sad results (used only in Rev 8:11).

        The text actually reads …

        The name of the star is called wormwood and a third of the waters became wormwood and many men died from the waters because they were made bitter

        the term bitter here is pikros – I make bitter, embitter; pass: I grow angry or harsh. they were made bitter. ἐπικράνθησαν epikranthēsan 4087 to make bitter from pikros

        I make bitter, embitter; pass: I grow angry or harsh.

        the short term star is used but of course in fact is ‘strewn over the sky …and of course ….
        by the figure of the seven stars which Christ holds in his right hand, Revelation 1:16; Revelation 2:1; Revelation 3:1, are signified the angels of the seven churches under the direction of Christ, Revelation 1:20; therefore the stars can and often signify angels as responsibility toward earth and mankind or in Satans case his hate and bitterness towards earth and mankind

        Jude 1:13 calls these fallen angels wandering stars and they mean Satan and the fallen ones who follow him. /they have left the course prescribed by God and wander about at will, so the meanings are far greater than our scientific description wants to declare for our warfare is not carnal as we are warned again and again and tend to want to ignore.

        Waters or hudor definition is water but, it is a word often used figuratively in scripture to refer to the peoples or nations on the earth so I imagine it is left open to the definitions by the Holy Spirit in the coontext by the scripture and speaker and not the reader.

        became is actually – came into being so the idea that something obviously effected the alteration to wormwood or bitter.

        So if we take it all as it is stated within the context of Jesus finishing opening the seven seals which caused consternation on the writers part until in heavan Jesus is seen as the only one able to open the seals and open the scroll which when opened begins the seven trumpet judgements and when reading on of……

        the shining – star – fell – fall, fall under (as under condemnation), fall prostrate. out of heavan – Curious this description in original text

        from out, out from among, from from out, out from among, from, suggesting from the interior outwards. – so this star fell from heavan and did not crash as some like to conjure up …. and the term men is mankind a man human….died

        Now the term died which is apothnesko in fact stresses the significance of the separation that always comes with divine closure and the ending of what is former to bring what follows which is more than the die off or away from implies in english translation so there is defintely an implied spirtual element in this occurance which is far greater an implication than an asteroid or star smashing our planet to smithereens and killing a third of mankind.

        Curiously the term ‘Becomes’ is a mind blower for the short definition is – I come into being or am born or come about or become or happen but the word itself describes more properly a transformation or movement in growth used for God’s actions as….

        1096 (ginomai) means “to become, and signifies a change of condition, state or place” (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 109).

        “1096 (gínomai) means to come into being/manifestation implying motion, movement, or growth” (at 2 Pet 1:4). Thus it is used for God’s actions as emerging from eternity and becoming (showing themselves) in time (physical space).

        What I hear described in the actual words written and not in the english vernacular is a spiritual attack on mankind by these angels who fall to the earth and not crash….

        Interestingly the herb Wormwood is used in beer that is now illegal because it is toxic from the absinthe from wormwood…bitters have been used to trigger the release of bile from the gall bladder and secretions from intestinal glands and can cause deadly consequences over long term use. Of course vermouth is made from wormwood and Absinthe, an old French liqueur prepared from wormwood, which is illegal because absinthol, a volatile oil the herb contains, has been found to cause nerve depression, mental impairment, and loss of reproductive function when used for a long time.

        Irregardless of what we want to interpret this as it is clear that the trumpet judgements cause physical as well as spiritual destruction on the earth for mankind as well as our dear earth and all its occupants and creation and this is already begun to play out I believe before our eyes…..

        I asked before and ask again has anyone here heard the trumpet sounds on youtube heard by so many at the latter part of 2011 and the early part of this year that some say are caused by Haarp?

        Strange Trumpet Sounds – Bible Prophecy? (James L. Paris)

        Welll you know talking about Trumpets??? lol lol …so laugh at me but surely others must find this most curious… and I don’t have a clue what it is but they sure sound like trumpets sounding from heavan I tell you. We listened to the many recordings and our mouths dropped….

        I do know that Trumpet Judgements bringing apocolyptic occurrences are also known as Gods Mercy Calls for Repentance in the hearts of men before Wrath is lain upon mankind for not turning from their evil ways.

        • Certainly not laughing Marie Jean…I too came across this several months ago, and there are a considerable number of worldwide YouTube clips documenting this phenomenon. The scientific explanation attributes the cause of these sounds to be sonic effects of electromagnetic forces discharging from the earth, and variations on this theme. There is also this new wave mentality of faking just about anything that could be authentic by using our now very advanced audio and video technology, so I do approach these things with a high degree of skepticism. However, after having viewed about 30 clips, I did come across a few that seemed wholly credible, but unfortunately I have not been unable to find them again due to Y/T’s non-existent “filing” system.

          Knowing that there will be signs in the heavens in the last days, I see no reason not to seriously consider this as one of them, and I do believe Marianne and others on this site have personally witnessed the same, or something similar. I did hear one clip that actually sounded like a complete orchestra…strings, horns, harps, timpani, etc; and if that was real, then I certainly can’t wait to hear the heavenly philharmonia in full flow! :) (I’ll see if I can find this one for you)

          Blessings.

          • p.s Perhaps they are warming up for the grand performance!

          • Well, Richard there is no doubt that most people who listen to all the different camera clips are in awe as to what the trumpet sounds are because most of them sound real and have been heard all over the world which is why so many think it is the Haarp disturbance by radio waves or actually high frequency waves being sent all over the earth by haarp. It is a crazy world we are living in and why governments need to have these massive fields of haarp high frequency waves and not tell anyone what they are really for is crazy. But I have to say some of them sure sound like trumpets. hmmm? Paris radio show Coast to Coast did a very good expose on it and it is eerie.

            • One thing is sure and that is, it is more and more difficult to believe what scientist have to say since they are usually mostly bought out or scared to actually give non-bias scientific observation on anything any more for fear of reprisal from the scientific community or political reprisals.

  8. Just FYI, when John uses the word “Star” here at the third trumpet, he is not referring to a literal star. What I mean is that, in John’s time there were no categorization of objects in the sky such as meteorite, asteroid, comet, etc. That being said, anything streaking across the sky or coming into the earth’s atomosphere would have been considered a star. For example, in chapter 6:13 it states that the stars in the sky fell to earth. Well, we know that it is not possible that literal stars are falling to the earth, for even if our own moon was to collide with earth, it and the moon would be completely destroyed. Furthermore, the closest star to earth is our own sun and most of the stars out there are much larger than our sun and they are many light years away. Therefore, as an example, I believe John here at the 6th seal is speaking in regards to meteorites or asteroids.

    We also have to remember that the wrath of God is being poured via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which are literal disasters hitting the earth and therefore, the 3rd trumpet is also a literal plague of wrath and does not require a spiritual or symbolic interpretation. John here is describing something with his limited understanding of what is in the heavens, ergo, everything is a star.

    In book of revelation, the word “Star” is used symbolically to represent several different literal meanings:

    Rev.1:20 Stars = The seven angels of the seven churches.

    Rev.6:12-13 Stars = Literal Meteorites, asteroids, comets

    Rev.8:12 Stars = Literal stars in the heavens

    Rev.9:1-2, 12:4 Stars = Angels

    Rev.12:1, Gen.37:9-10 Stars = The twelve tribes of Israel

    All of the trumpets and bowl judgments are literal plagues of destruction that God sends upon the earth and therefore, the 3rd trumpet must also be interpreted as a literal event. John’s description does not give much detail about what the star is and that because again, John does not know the scientific classification that we have today and therefore, everthing entering into the earth’s atomosphere is going to heat up and blaze with fire looking like a star. In short, there is just nothing else John could call it.

    Here is what we can be sure of from the Scripture:

    * John describes it as a great star
    * It’s blazing like a torch
    * It is falling from the sky to the earth
    * It contaminates a third of the fresh water
    * Many people die from drinking the water

    These are the literal characteristics of this 3rd trumpet judgment and therefore should not by interpreted as spiritual or symbolic. The only thing that we don’t know, is what the star is representing. Consider the following: John is seeing a vision of the future. What if John was observing a nuclear rocket arcing back down into the atmosphere and the reference to it falling on a third of the fresh water was in regards to nuclear contamination falling upon the water, which is the reason for many people dieing from drinking it. If a nuclear rocket was arcing back down into the atmosphere, a torch is exactly what it would look like to John. The nose and body of the rocket would be pointed down towards the earth with the flame shooting out of the back of the rocket which would be pointing upwards, ergo, like a torch. But because John has nothing to relate to what he is seeing except by using natural terms, he can’t say, “A nuclear missle fell to the earth and exploded spewing radioactive material into the lakes and rivers and many people died by drinking the water because of the radio activity.”

    Now, I am not saying that a rocket is what John saw; I’m just putting the possibilities out there and in my opinion that one seems to be a pretty good one. In any case, the result would have to be a third of the fresh water being contaminated and many people dieing. To recap, the only thing that we don’t know about this trumpet is what the star is representing. The other details mentioned ubove should remain as they are, literal.

  9. To Dear Saint dmcal52 – and all that are interested – These 3 paragraphs below is what you said above. Describing Wormwood as star

    * John describes it as a great star
    * It’s blazing like a torch
    * It is falling from the sky to the earth
    * It contaminates a third of the fresh water
    * Many people die from drinking the water

    These are the literal characteristics of this 3rd trumpet judgment and therefore should not by interpreted as spiritual or symbolic. The only thing that we don’t know, IS WHAT THE STAR IS REPRESENTING.

    To recap, the ONLY THING THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT THIS TRUMPET IS WHAT THE STAR IS REPRESENTING. The other details mentioned ubove should remain as they are, literal.

    Dear Bro. the Word explains word if you just keep reading in most cases.
    The last word at the end of ver. 11 is BITTER. Please look at scriptures below.

    DEUT 29:17- And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them:)
    DEUT 29:18- Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and WORMWOOD ;
    DUET. 29:19 – And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this CURSE that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the “imagination of mine heart”, to add drunkenness to thirst:

    PROV. 5:4- But her end is bitter as WORMWOOD, sharp as a twoedged sword.
    PROV. 5:5 – Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.

    JERE. 9:15 – Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with WORMWOOD , and give them WATER OF GALL TO DRINK.
    JERE. 9:16 I will scatter them also among the heathen, whom neither they nor their fathers have known: and I will send a sword after them, till I have consumed them.

    AMOS 5:7 – Ye who turn judgment to WORMWOOD , and leave off righteousness in the earth,
    AMOS 5:8- Seek him that maketh the SEVEN STARS and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:

    The above scriptures should be plenty to understand the meaning of the Word Wormwood. Its very plain to see dear saint of God.

    You said this quote above: The only thing that we don’t know, IS WHAT THE STAR IS REPRESENTING.
    Then you said -To recap, the ONLY THING THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT THIS TRUMPET IS WHAT THE STAR IS REPRESENTING
    I hope you understand it now dear saint of God. Im just trying to help someone to understand its meaning. Now for all you scholars or sceptics I will explain the 3rd. trumpet now on a Post below. That goes right with this post to explain where this happened in the Church ages. AMOS meantioned the seven stars.

    • Hi Tom and all,

      The problem here is that the word “Bitter” is not always referring to bitterness of spirit and therefore, we must consider the context of the verse in order to understand how this word is being used. Therefore, the word “Bitter” or “Wormwood” in the context points to the “Rivers” and the “Springs of water” as being made bitter and not the people. The people are dying because of drinking the water which is contaminated by wormwood. There is noting in the context that would point to people having a spirit of bitterness. Applying this kind of interpretation would be to go beyond Scripture. Just because the word “Wormwood” or “Bitterness” is used elsewhere in Scripture as bitterness of spirit does not mean that the word is restricted to the same interpretation. The context is what bears out the meaning and therefore, it is the water that is made bitter and not people. Here is the definition of the word “Wormwood.”

      ápsinthos – a bitter plant known as “wormwood”; (figuratively) what is intensely bitter (grievous), bringing on very sad results

      Based on the definition, “wormwood” is from a bitter plant and can be used figuratively as emotional bitterness or grief. Since the context is referring to people dying by drinking the water that wormwood is falling on, then we must go with the interpretation that wormwood is contaiminating or poisioning the water supply and many people die from drinking the water.

      Remember, these are all plagues of God’s wrath, so to interpret a spiritual meanig here is to take away from the true meaning of what is taking place at this trumpet judgment, that being many people dieing by drinking the water.

  10. AMOS 5:8- Seek him that maketh the SEVEN STARS and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:

    I love that passage. The Seven Stars is the Pleiades and Orion is also called the ‘heart of God’, as we know that is where ‘stars’ are born. Has anyone viewed the NASA hubble picture of Orion? If you view it in a monochrome (ie. all red tones) you will see an amazing story!!!

    This is the image you will be looking for in the following instructions.

    http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_693.html

    Download the microsoft worldwide telescope (free) from this link:

    http://www.worldwidetelescope.org

    Once inside the program, make sure the setting on the bottom taskbar is set to: SKY. Next the tricky part, find the constellation ORION. (orion is the constellation with the 3 stars positioned closely in a row, in his belt.) Then zoom into the ORION NEBULA, using your mouse wheel. Next, note in the bottom task bar on the left you have 3 picture options for the Orion Nebula showing. You may try clicking on each one to aid you, however; my eyes do best with the first choice or the light red monochrome picture. Try all 3 of course. Try not to let your eyes get ‘fixed’ for too long on any one spot. Also, zoom in and out to ‘see’ more. I also use my paint program for viewing by taking a screenshot from the telescope program (ctrl+printscrn) and then open Paint and ctrl+v to add to paint program.

    I will leave the interpretation up to each of you. Once you ‘see’ the story in the ‘birthplace of stars’…I feel certain the Holy Spirit will come upon you and you will know that God has given us each and every sign through his creations. Hallelujah!!!!

  11. dmcal52 – I do understand that the natural and spiritual work together. If you turn the “Good News of the Gospel of God away “= Spiritual — all you gonna have in the natural life is bitter water all your days. And never really understand your meaning of life and your destiny. You missed the Spiritual part of your life – Hope you see what Im saying here.
    You will still be under the Curse – which is Bitter Waters always. Water is symbolic of the LIFE Given by God. Jesus said that out of your belly will flow Rivers of Life. Is that true dear saint. Should we just focus on the Belly or the Rivers of life. Well it goes to gether. The Belly is the unbelievers god. Its all about self. Their rivers of life will just be temporary. Cause all their desire is for “selfish” ambitions.
    That is all Im trying to say above – Those Scriptures are pretty plain to understand. The People left the Word of Moses and died under the curse.
    Yes many died of Natural Bitter Water. “But the Spiritual understanding is what we need to understand”. That is exactly what you was saying yourself.
    Why did they die drinking Natural Bitter Water. The answer is cause they denied God and His Prophet. That had the ONLY MESSAGE for that day for deliverance. Deliverance is what we all need. Away from Bitterness and unbelief.
    In Russia years ago. Their Nuclear power plant went belly up. It put radiation in the Rivers of Russia all the way down to Europe killing 125,000 people.
    Incidently that Atomic power plant had a name meaning “Wormwood”. See that is not a conicident. So what killed the people. It was bitter water. From a Unbelieving Nation of Communist that went all the way to the backsliden Europe. Europe use to be Spiritual people. Look at them now. Same with America. The whole world now is resisting God and its nothing but Bitterness, that produces hate, War, Crimes, Adultery, Insanity, Disobedience, Forever learning and NEVER coming to the knowledge of the MYSTERY of God and His Word.
    So me and you are on the same team. That is why it is so important to have fellowship with others. Discussing the Word should always be exciting to us. Not get us all mad at everybody. Do you agree. Lord Bless you dear Saints.

  12. DebOrah – thank you for your Post I will check in to that. Lord bless you sister. God’s peace be with you in all that you do.

  13. dmal52

    As above, so below… can mean simply this. If Jesus Christ was the heavenly manifestation here on earth, then why can’t Wormwood originate in the heavens and manifest on earth? What exists in heaven may possibly not be the same in translation on the earth. I think all the ideas expressed by others here, may be possible. This could be a heavenly event that does produce deadly waters on earth, to include the heavenly spiritual realm that results in a spiritual affect on man on earth through the physical drinking of the poisoned water. In additon, it may be safe to say that physical death does not rule out ‘killing’ of the spirit/soul or spiritual death. That’s why I see this particular event of ‘wormy water’ lol, as a spiritual death along with the physical body death…meaning both are lost. Nothing is impossible or to be ruled out when the Power and the Glory of God is revealed.

    • it may be a double manifestation. physical and spiritual events occurring at the same time.

    • Well I would say you both right DebOrah and Marianne – Its like the Old Testament was the Shadow or Natural laws of God – and Jesus explained it to us in the Spiritual application on the sermon on the Mount. And all Apostles especially Apostle Paul – He gave us the spiritual revelation of what all the natural law was meaning. They sacrificed Lambs symbolizing the Lamb of God that was going to come and take away our sins forever. Like Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath by transforming Himself into the Holy Spirit and Coming right into us to live. That is the REST, and PEACE and everything else. And we got it all. God bless

  14. “The third angel blew [his] trumpet, and a huge star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it dropped on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— And the name of the star is Wormwood. A third part of the waters was changed into wormwood, and many people died from using the water, because it had become bitter” (Revelation 8:10-11, Amplified Bible).

    This is describing Satan’s fall from grace, taking a third of the angels with him.
    Wormwood is Satan, the rivers are the heavenly host and the springs of water are mankind. The bitterness represents the evil Wormwood (Satan) caused mankind to partake of.

    These are my thoughts, but there can be no doubt that the context is spiritual.

    • Sorry, correction. Satan’s expulsion from heaven not grace

    • Brother Richard – I believe that is right on. There is so much you can say on some subjects. This is what the Curse is. Satan’s carnal mind takes people over to his attributes which are Hate, Unbelief, Bitterness, like I said above. We could also make a good point out of it in Rom.1:18-32. When People reject Gods Mercy – all that is left is judgment. Perversions of all kinds. amen. Lord bless you Richard. Good to know you.

      • Thank you Tom; and I have just finished reading your excellent and insightful posts along with some others, and it cannot be understated that God does not require or expect us to wade through a multitude of interpretations and dissenting views in order to gain accurate knowledge…but Satan certainly would have us believe this to be the case; so I thank God for the incisive action of His Spirit and His readiness to impart understanding to those who seek His truth with a pure and contrite heart…..because, let’s face it, the world is full of simple people, and God desires all flesh to be saved, so let’s keep it simple as God intended, and follow the example of the master of brevity, Jesus, who knew when he spoke, that understanding would be sown in the hearts of those worthy to receive, by means of the Spirit. Beyond this, as you say, is the work of the carnal mind!

        Good to know you too!

        God bless you!

    • Richard
      I also felt that the Wormwood event could represent Satan and 1/3 of the angels being cast down. Perhaps it is just that. But don’t we also know that an angel with a chain and the key to the bottomless pit is cast down? This being Satan who opens the pit and lets out his minions (who have been chained there) also known as the locusts? Seems strange to me that God would cast down Satan twice. Perhaps Wormwood is the huge event that precedes Satan being cast down, so all eyes are open. Kind of like the fireworks before the main event unfolds.

      I know many ask me why would God allow that? I think it’s to finally and once and for all, show Satan’s true nature or his true colors, so that all mankind will understand the justice through judgement that God will display.

      • Hi DebOrah,

        It certainly would be a strange thing for God to cast Satan down twice, knowing that he was barred from returning to heaven after his expulsion!

        In this case, I would be interested to know at what point you believe the demons to be physically restrained in the bottomless pit, because this suggests that the world would not have been subject to demonic influence until their releasing from the pit. And if the star falling from heaven is Satan with the key to the pit, which was given to him to unlock it, this also suggests that Satan and his angels had been segregated; but throughout scripture we are reminded of our struggle with the powers and principalities of darkness.

        Therefore, consider the bottomless pit to be indicative of spiritual restraint, i.e. the full magnitude of their evil potential limited until their appointed time to act with full ferocity. The unlocking of the pit is therefore the lifting of this restraint.

        Blessings to you.

        • Hi Richard and all,

          Allow me to jump in here if I may. The angel that is opening the Abyss at the 5th trumpet is most likely not Satan and that because John has already shown eleswhere in Scripture that he recognizes Satan when he sees him (Rev.12:7-9, 20:1-3, 7-10). But here at the 5th trumpet John does not identify this angel as Satan.

          Furthermore, Satan is currently out and about in the world and also has access to heaven as he is referred to as the prince of the power of the air and is accusing the saints before God night and day until he is cast down. It is at the middle of the seven when Satan and his angels are finally cast down to earth, which is the 3rd woe (Rev.12:12 – But WOE to the earth, etc.) From that time on he and his angels will have 3 1/2 years (because he knows his time is short) to make war and conquer the saints. Then at the end of that last 3 1/2 years, after the 7th bowl judgment has been poured out, Jesus will return to end the age and begin his thousand year reign. At that time He will have the beast and the false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire alive (Rev.19:20), the rest will be killed by the double-edged sword that proceeds from the Lord’s mouht (word of God) and then Satan will be thrown into the Abyss for that thousand years.

          It is at the end of the thousand years when Satan is released from the Abyss and goes and gathers the inhabitants from the four corners of the earth where they surround the camp of God’s people, the city that he loves, Jerusalem and then devours them with fire and sulfur. Then Satan is thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown a thousand years earlier.

          At the 5th trumpet, when that angel opens the Abyss, those demonic beings who torment men for 5 months are released, as well as their king that angel of the Abyss, who is that eighth king, the beast who once was, now is not and yet will come, the one who receives the fatal wound but lives, that one who proclaims himself to be God or anything that is called God or worshiped (2 Thes.2:4). He is Abaddon/destroyer, the one who kills the two witnesses after he rises up out of the Abyss.

          Yours in Christ

          • are you saying that abaddon is the antichrist, who does not show up until the 5th trumpet?

            • HI Marriane and all,

              Regarding the Abaddon/Antichrist, please compare the following Scriptures:

              Revelation 9:11 – They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. (Destroyer)

              Revelation 11:7 – Now when they (the two witnesses) have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.

              Revelation 13:3 – One of the heads of the beast seemed to have a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.

              Revelation 13:4 – Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?”

              Revelation 13:5-6 the beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.

              Revelation 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast — all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

              The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

              Rev.17:8 The beast , which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.

              The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

              • so you are saying that the beast / antichrist / abaddon does not show up until the wrath of God is already underway…and he is not around for the 7 seals, or the first 4 trumpets? so who causes the problems before the beast shows up?

                • Hi Marriane,

                  I am only providing information regarding the beast, that according to scripture, he is the angel of the Abyss, who is king over those demonic/locust beings who all are let out at the 5th trumpet, for that is when the Abyss is opened. There are certain designations that are identified with the beast that are recurring in Daniel and Revelation as listed below:

                  * He once was, now is not and yet will come

                  * He is going to his destruction

                  * He is given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies

                  It seems to me that, this beast that comes up out of the Abyss may have a human counterpart to carry out all that is written of him. For we know that according to Dan.9:27, that the [ruler] that makes that covenant for one seven is the same one who, in the middle of the seven, causes the daily sacrifice and offerings to cease and sets up the abomination that causes the desolation and who is also referred to as the beast.

                  In regards to your question “who causes the problems before the beast shows up?” What problems? Remember, the problems relating to the beast don’t start until the middle of the seven when the abomination is set up, where he proclaims himself to be God. That last 3 1/2 years is the period of time referred to by Daniel and Jesus as “A time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning, til now or shall ever be.” The middle of the seven is also when Satan and his angels are cast down to the earth and when the mark of the beast becomes manditory. From the middle of the seven until the Lord’s return, is also the amount of time that the beast makes war against and conquers the great tribulation saints. From the middle of the seven until the Lord returns, is the same time period that the woman/Israel is cared for out in the desert by God for 1260 days (3 1/2 years).

                  All that I can say regarding the beast is that, he is that same angel of the Abyss called destroyer, who comes out of the Abyss at the blowing of the 5th trumpet, which is the same time that his subjects are released to torment men with stings of scorpions for 5 months, and he is the same one who kills the two witnesses after he comes up out of the Abyss. Once the Abyss is opened at the 5th trumpet, it remains opened until the Lord returns and then Satan is cast into where it is then locked back up again for that thousand years.

                  • the problems start with the seals..

                    i assume the rider on the white horse is the antichrist…..and causes the suffering that follows

                    • Yes, you are correct! The rider on the white horse/1st trumpet is the beast, but it is the Lamb who is opening the seals and initiating these plagues, including the revealing of the man of lawlessness. It is God who also puts into the hearts of the beast and ten kings to destroy mystery Babylon in order to fulfill His purpose. Regarding who is in control of these plagues, please consider the following:

                      “They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.”

                  • PS regarding:

                    ” he is not around for the 7 seals, or the first 4 trumpets?”

                    The beast/man of lawlessnes/antichrist has nothing to do with the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments, as these are being carried out by God and the Lamb. These judgments of God will have already been initiated prior to the setting up of the abomination and will run concurrently with the beast’s campain against the tribulation saints, the woman Israel and the inhabitants of the earth.

          • Hi Don,

            Yes I agree that Satan is released from the abyss after the thousand year reign of Christ, so Satan cannot be the star or angel unlocking the abyss.

            Blessings.

        • Richard & dmal52

          Jude 1:6 (KJV) “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”

          John 8:44 (KJV) “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

          So, in reply; we see from Jude the ‘fallen angels’ (left their 1st estate/God’s kingdom) and are ‘reserved in the everlasting CHAINS under darkness. Some equate this with Hades, a holding place and not with Hell. We know Hell (firey lake) is created for the ‘end judgement’ for Satan, his fallen angel followers. re: John 17.

          We also KNOW from John that the ‘devil’ was a ‘murderer’ from the BEGINNING. And the garden story in Genesis confirms that the ‘bad seed’ was mixed with the ‘good seed’. Cain was the ‘bad seed’ who killed his brother Abel (the good seed). There is your murderer. There is your proof that man contained the seed of the serpent. So…it would seem to me that the ‘satan spirit’ lives in man. Yes, the flood supposedly wiped out all these bad seeds.. or did it? Remember, that Noah also boarded some UNCLEAN animals on the ark. I don’t want to get into the transference of ‘spirits’ outside of the human physical realm as in the chained ‘demons’. We all know that demons DO exist and on a better note; that the Divine/Holy Spirit lives as well.

          And yes, Satan is free to travel, for now, but he left his FIRST ESTATE.. meaning he can no longer visit the Throne Room or highest heaven; thus he got demoted as Prince of the Air. There are different levels of heavens, just as their is a hierarchy in heaven, as with the army of angels. ie. satan was an annointed cherub, the top of the heirarchy. 1/3 of the angels followed satan and now await chained until they are released as locusts with stingers.

          Sometimes the bible can be taken literally, but other times we find it to be a sort of ‘code book’ and have to remember that God’s Word must be difficult at the very least to be interpreted by any man, prophets or not, that the Word is given.

          • Hi DebOrah,

            The fallen angels mentioned in Jude and 2 Peter are the Nephilim spirits bound in chains awaiting judgement. Since they are awaiting
            judgement, they will not be loosed until their destruction, which of course takes place after the events of this world are concluded.
            So they are not the disobedient ones whom we are referencing, and who are still working their evil today,

            Blessings.

          • Hello DebOrah and all,

            Regarding the following:

            “Jude 1:6 (KJV) “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”

            The angels mentioned in the verse above, were those son’s of God mentioned in Gen.6:1, 4, who took wives from the progeny of men and they conceiving brought forth giants, the Nephilim. These are the same angels that Peter also mentions in 2 Pet.2:4:

            “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;”

            Enoch goes great detail about these angels who took wives and refers to them as the “Watcher’s of Heaven,” of which there are 200. These are those angels who did not keep their first estate and are reserved in chains of darkness in Tartaroo until the day of judgment.

            So, there are these angels who sinned by taking wives for themselves that have been restricted in Tartaroo in chains of darkness and there is also Satan and the principalities, powers and spiritual wickedness in high place who are out and about in heaven and in the world. It is not until the Lord returns that Satan is thrown into the Abyss and will be restricted there for a thousand years.

            Yours in Christ

            • Richard & dmcal
              gloomy dungeons…sounds fair to me! The Nefil(in) [hebrew] were the offspring/giants (not THE fallen/disobedient angels) and were destroyed by the deluge… so, understandable they would be ‘waiting’ until the final judgement. Not sure why you say the Nefil(in) are chained. More like the fallen angels were chained. I see the separation you are making regarding satan’s principality (rank), powers, wickedness.

              Colossians 1:16 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.

              Principalities are one of the ranks of the different ranks of the company of angels spoken of in Hebrews 12:22 which have an indefinite number. It is important to know the classification of angels to better understand the organization of GOD. Seraphim, Cherubim and Archangels are identified in the Word of God with such detail that we can reliably know some of their characteristics and duties, and be somewhat assured of their responsibilities and rankings in Heaven.

              We can not be as certain about Thrones, Dominions, Principalities, Powers, Virtues and Guardian Angels. At best, we can examine the meanings of the words, and attach that value to describe the characteristics of the angels in those ranks.

              Thrones, Dominions, Principalities and Powers are identified as ranks of angels according to Colossians 1:16-17…

              We know when lucifer was created he was an anointed cherubim…but looks like now he got demoted to the level of principality. And the reference to ‘prince of the air’ tells us he is not chained with the others and prophecy/5th trumpet shows he will come down to open the pit. Enoch does name the lead fallen angels of the 200.

              dmcal…. Please share scripture to support there are ‘fallen angels’ or any of the 200 who are ‘out and about in heaven and the world’ and not chained in waiting…. thanks

              http://www.archangels-and-angels.com/misc/grigori.html

              • Hi DebOrah,

                Just to clarify; the reference to the Nephilim was to mean the fallen angels who took the “daughters of men”, bringing forth the physical offspring known as “the Nephilim”,
                These disobedient angels, “sons of God”, are the ones bound in chains in Tartarus, awaiting judgement. These angels received their eternal judgement at the time of the flood because of the severity of their transgression, whereas the remainder who await their judgement, are the ones actively working their evil today.

                2 Peter 2:
                4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to Tartarus putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes……………………

                I Peter 3:
                For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people…………..

                With regard to heavenly rank, I think you will find that by definition there is only one Archangel (chief angel) and that is Michael. He’s the only one referenced as such, to the best of my knowledge.

                Blessings.

                • Richard
                  I think it’s your wording, the Nefil(in) did NOT take daughters of men.. they WERE the children of the fallen angels+daughters of men=Nefil(in). oh nvm LOLLLL Anyway….I think we are on the same page, but your wording is not specific. We are both preaching to the choir! lol

                  and btw.. archangels= Michael (Daniel 12:1) The 5 star general :)

                  guardian angels=Psalms 91:11, Matthew 18:10 and Acts 12:15

                  “I am the angel Raphael,
                  one of the seven who stand before the Lord.”
                  The Book of Tobias (Tobit) 12:15

                  Revelation 8:2 also refers to the seven angels who stand before the Lord. The seven are Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael, and Raguel, Remiel, Saraqael, and Uriel, named in Enoch (20:1-8)

                  Angels announce the birth of Jesus to the shepherds (Luke 2:14), minister to Christ after his temptation in the desert (Matthew 4:11), comfort Jesus in his agony in the garden (Luke 22:43), and proclaim his resurrection from the dead (John 20:12) . Jesus Christ stated the angels of little ones continually behold the face of the Father (Matthew 18:10): this passage has been traditionally cited as biblical evidence of Guardian Angels. Angels will come with Christ on the Day of Judgement (Matthew 24:31), and the angels will separate the wicked from the just on the Last Day (Matthew 13:49) Christ also said the children of the resurrection will be equal to the angels (Luke 20:34).

                  more occurrences of angels: Genesis 3:23-24 (garden) Genesis 18:1-3 (to Abrahm) Genesis 28:10-12 (Jacob’s ladder) Exodus 23:20-22 (Moses) Daniel 6:19-22 (lion den) Matthew 1:18-21 (to Joseph) Luke 1:26-28 (gabriel to mary) Luke 2:8-14 (shepards) John 20:11-15 (2 angels in tomb) Acts of the Apostles 12:6-10 (peter in jail) Hebrews 13:1-2 (paul’s letter) Revelation 8:1-2 (7 angels) Revelation 12:7-9 (battle of good angels against bad angels)

                  “For God commands the angels to guard you in all your ways.
                  With their hands they shall support you,
                  lest you strike your foot against a stone.”
                  Psalms 91:11-12

                  ps….whewwwwwww that was a mouthful! lol Isn’t it Awesome to see there are more GOOD guys than bad guys? Yayyyysss!

              • Morning Deborah and all,

                First, a correction here in what you repeated. The 200 Watchers of heaven who took wives are NOT those who are out and about, for they are the angels who are reserved in chains of darkness in Tartaroo spoken of in 2 Pet.2:4 and Jude 6. Those who are out an about in heaven and in the world are Satan’s angels, the rulers of darkness, the principalities and the powers. We know this to be true because of the following Scripture in Eph.6:12:

                “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

                Therefore, we don’t need to classify them as to whether they are holy angels or fallen and that because of the fact that we are wrestling against them, which would make them fallen angels and not holy.

                Now in regards to your request below:

                “dmcal…. Please share scripture to support there are ‘fallen angels’ or any of the 200 who are ‘out and about in heaven and the world’ and not chained in waiting…. thanks”

                Here is Enoch’s account of Gen.6:1, but in more detail:

                “It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamored of them, saying to each other: ‘Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.’ Then their leader Samyaza said to them; ‘I fear that you may perhaps be indisposed to the performance of this enterprise; and that I alone shall suffer for so grievous a crime.’ ” (Enoch 7:13)

                Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom the cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantation , and the dividing of roots and trees. And they conceiving (their wives) brought forth giants. (Enoch 7:10-11)

                Now, here is the judgment that God put upon those angels who took wives until the final judgment:

                Again the Lord said to Raphael: Bind Azazyel hand and foot; cast him into darkness; and opening the desert which is in Dudael, cast him in there. Throw upon him hurled and pointed stones; cover him with darkness; There shall he remain for ever; cover his face, that he may not see the light. And in the great day of judgment let him be cast into the fire. (Enoch 10:6-9)

                Note: The angel Azazyel was one of the 200 and it was because of his teaching that God ascribed the whole crime to him. Here is the punishiment for the rest of the Watchers of heaven:

                To Michael likewise the Lord said: Go and announce his crime to Samyaza, and to the others who are with him, who have associated with women, that they might be polluted with all their impurity. And when all their sons (Nephilim) shall be slain, when they shall see the perdition of their beloved, bind them for seventy generations underneath the earth, even to the day of judgment, and of the consummation, until the judgment, the effect of which whill last forever, be completed. (Enoch 10:15; 2 Pet.2:4; Jude 6)

                These angels who took wives also taught mankind sorcery, incantation, the dividing of roots and trees, the observance of the stars, the solution of sorcery, signs, astronomy, the motion of the moon, how to make weapons of war and the beautifying of the eyebrows (makeup). It was because of these angels that magic and sorcery was introduced into the world corupting mankind.

                So to recap, it is those angels who took wives of whom 2 Pet.2:4 and Jude 6 are referring to who did not keep their positions of authority, but abandoned their own home that he is kept in darkness, in gloomy dungeons until the day of judgment. On the otherhand, it is Satan and his angels that rebelled with him who make up those principalities, powers and spiritual wickedness in high places and who will be cast out of heaven during the middle of that last seven years by Michael and his angels.

                I truly hope that this sheds some light on the subject.

                Yours in Christ

                • I am finished with this subject…not sure why I am being mis-interpreted/challenged/, but no matter…this subject has been engrained in me for years and I have a complete understanding of who is whom lol. This is is turning into ‘hash’ at this point fellers.

  15. Just a reminder – Moses and followers came to a place where there was bitter water – it would have killed them. Yet God told Moses to cut down a tree or bush with the leaves on it I believe. And Moses did what God said to do. He cut it down and put it in the Bitter water of of Death. That was “symbolic” of the Tree of life – Praise God – We escaped death by the Tree of life applied into us.

  16. DebOrah – I did my best to get into that like you said. I did see a picture that looked like a Dove. And I spent awhile looking at other pictures but cannot figure out how to do it. Im an amateur compter man. The pictures I saw were very beautiful to say the least. Worth looking at. very interesting Bro. Tom

    • Tom..
      oh shoot, guess you will have to come to my house for a visit so I can show you lol. Don’t give up ok. You can see a full body image of a man in robes with his right hand stretched out and placed on the ascended Christ’s head raising Him up (it’s a full body) and the man’s left hand is on the heart of God. Yes, there is an image of what us humans would conceive as God. Also you can see a woman with a ring around the middle of her body. Also, winged beings and a large face of Christ with a cross behind his head found below the risen full body of Christ. There are many more things to see in the hubble Orion Nebula picture. Hope that can help you get started to ‘see’.

      I am not very computer savvy either. I would post a picture here but not sure how to link from my desktop. I will make a great effort to post one after I consult my geek squad. lol

      blessings Tom

    • Brother Tom

      Here is another link of a totally different area of heaven that you won’t have to hunt to ‘see’. I call it ‘the heart of heaven’. Maybe it will appease you while you continue to view the Orion Nebula again. Just so you know, when I first found the Orion Nebula on the Microsoft Worldwide Telescope, I spent about 6+ hours in awe just looking at it.

      just for you Tom: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0810/M42_hallasNr.jpg

  17. MORINGA OLEIFERA

    Family: Moringaceae
    Genus: Moringa
    Common name: Miracle Tree, Horseradish-tree, Ben oil tree, Drumstick tree.

    this tree purifies water :)

    http://www.creationtips.com/bitter_sweet_water.html

    • interesting science

    • Thanks for the post DebOrah – I checked out the picture and sent it to my children. The Little baby knocking on Gods heart. Very touching. I will get them to find the Orion Nebula. They come over everyweek. Thanks also for the Post on the Trees – something New to me and very interesting. God bless

      • Tom
        You are very welcome!! I can’t wait for your children to come visit! I bet they will be able to view all the things I shared with you about Orion Nebula and more! (if they can still themselves lol). :)

  18. To All,

    Looks like there is developing an understanding of spiritual and carnal/earthly/natural realm among the recent replies/comments.

    In this posted topic, I briefly mention Leviathan (pride) as a dominic spirit liken to Jezebel (control/rebellion) and Wormwood (bitterness).
      
    Here  is a brief review of Leviathan that I trust informs you. This was posted in 2011 as my reply to a related topic and applies here to further explain “principalities and powers”. 

    Job 41:34 says that Leviathan is “monarch over all the sons of pride”.

    Leviathan is the name of “pride” and we are given a vivid description of this “spirit” with Job. It is a very powerful spirit within Satan’s kingdom.

    This monarch of pride (demonic spirit), is worshiped by Satan lovers around the world today. Yes – Leviathan is a powerful demonic spirit. So is Jezebel and Wormwood.

    Some of those poor Satan loving souls read Heaven Awaits and some send replies to “poison the well” – confuse, distract or try to open minds to other spiritual experiences, which are demonic. We are to “test the spirits”. I’m praying for those, asking that the Light of heaven shine brightly, dispelling darkness (a painful experience to son’s of disobedience), calling upon the Lord’s warrior angles with swords of righteousness to do the work of the Kingdom (1st John 3:8). Thus, setting the captive free. But, some chose to walk/fellowship in darkness (just listen to Pat Benatar’s song on the subject). 

    Folks – there is a spiritual war going on and it is active on believers. Get your Armor on (Ephs 6).

    For the Believers reading this blog – the prayer of Paul recorded in Ephesians 3:14-21  applies, blessings to you!

    Now, back to Satan worshipers best friend and a believer’s spiritual battle to “overcome” and “cast down” –  Leviathan.

    “His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, They stick together and cannot be parted” (Job 41:15-17, NKJV).

    Pride – as scales are his pride, bound so tightly that air (Holy Spirit – spirit of peace, power and sound mind, righteousness, joy and fruits of the Spirit), cannot penetrate.

    In Job, Leviathan is described as “strength dwells in his neck, and sorrow dances before him. The folds of his flesh are joined together; They are firm on him and cannot be moved” (Job 41:22-23, NKJV). So often pride affects learning (un-teachable), that someone can not be moved to the light from darkness.

    Leviathan, a demonic spirit, attacks the spiritual goals of believers, restricts and bondage of worship and human move towards the Lord, disrupts learning and understanding, and almost always present as the result of a generational/family curse.  

    Pride – known as “stiffed necked” in the Old Testament.Hebrews have a few generational issues of this “stiff neck” demon and so do other cultures too.

    Pride – this is evident in with those holding a “hard heart” not soft as the Lord God gives us, when we repent. “His heart is as hard as stone, even as hard as the lower millstone. When he raises himself up, the mighty are afraid; Because of his crashing they are beside themselves” (Job 41:24-25 NKJV).

    “His undersides are like sharp potsherds; He spreads pointed marks in the mire. He makes the deep boil like a pot; He makes the sea like a pot of ointment. He leaves a shining wake behind him; One would think the deep had white hair” (Job 41:30-32).

    Job has his eyes open to Leviathan when he states in the climax and to conclude the account “I’ve heard but now I see” (41:5). Job became personally aware (through friends and the work of Satan) that the “problem” was pride and God enabled Job to experience spiritual warfare, then sharing the story with us.

    Very soon, Pride will be put out. “In that day [the Lord will deliver Israel from her enemies and also from the rebel powers of evil and darkness] His sharp and unrelenting, and strong sword will visit and punish Leviathan the swiftly fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting and winding serpent; and He will slay the monster that is in the sea ( Isaiah 27:1, NJKV). I believe when this occurs (and it will be painful), revival comes.

    Strong’s (3882 and, 3867) defines Leviathan as a wreathed animal or serpent. Leviathan is represented in the heavens as the constellation of the dragon, Cetus. BTW, Orion is the hunter (Nimrod). His belt’s positioning in the heavens were replicated in the positioning of the pyramids in Egypt. They worshiped the sun, moon and built the pyramids in this Orion alignment for a reason. Clue, it ain’t to associate with God’s angles, the Holy Spirit or the Light of heaven.

    Leviathan occurs six times in the Old Testament, comes from a root word which means to bend or twist. It means literally wreathed; like a wreath; to be wreathed; gathering itself in folds.

    In context of Job, it suggests some form of aquatic monster which dwells in the sea.

    We know within Scripture that the sea represents nations of people. The sea is the voice of many waters, or many people, in the book of Revelation.

    Jesus rebuked the disciples, because of their heart. “Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen” (Mark 16:14 NKJV).

    Jesus was rebuking the spirit of pride (stiff-necked), which was upon them ( my interpretation). Then, Jesus breathed upon them “Spirit”.

    Months before, when the disciples came to Jesus complaining about the deliverance of a spirit from a man that would not easily depart, Jesus said that this spirit can only come out with prayer and fasting. This particularly difficult spirit was probably Leviathan or Leviathan was the “ruler of that house”.

    How strong/stubborn is this demonic spirit?

    “Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; Nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; Sling stones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; He laughs at the threat of javelins” (Job 41:26-29, NKJV).

    The demonic spirit of pride is very stubborn and can be a painful deliverance experience. It was for me. 

    The mussels along my spine contracted for several minutes when rebuking, binding and casting out this spirit in the name of Jesus. Oh, that was a memorable experience that I do not want to repeat. The phrase ” work out your salvation with fear and trembling” does mean something in a physical and spiritual sense.

    The reason some people are resistant to the Gospel or even deliverance is because of the effects of this demonic spirit’s tight coils around them, inhibiting the moving of the Spirit. 

    Leviathan’s most crucial assignment, as that evil spirit, is restraining some people from accepting that they have “sin” and believers from from receiving greater blessings.

    Believers cannot hear or discern the Spirit (Hebrew 5:17) and stay on a milk diet (1 Corinth 3).  

    Leviathan purpose is to restrict the work of Spiritual gifts. The reason is that no air (Spirit), is able to get in because this demon has such a stronghold. The scales are joined one to another and cannot be sundered without a fight ( “wrestle” as Paul describes it).

    This spirit looks down on all – Leviathan haughty; he is a monarch (ruler), over all associated evil spirits as listed in the posted topic above.

    You may say you have no pride – ha!  Leviathan’s spiritual work can be very subtle. He can twist, writhe and slip out of the way; causing one to reject Truth. 

    If there is resistance to assessing a bitter root (demonic spirit) – Leviathan is probably coiled up and working his prideful ways too.

    There is a way to overcome Leviathan, Jezebel and Wormwood. It requires – asking for forgiveness (pride, rebellion/control, un-forgiveness/bitterness) and maybe adding some seriously fasting and prayer (Isaiah 58),  seeking the Great Deliverer (Psalm 18 and 34), and expelling evil spirits. If you would like more information – write back and I’ll direct you to resources. 

    Blessings 
    Psalm 40

    • Hi, I agree Leviathan encompasses a spirit of pride, and this is very good understanding about it, BUT more specifically, I think Leviathan may actually be talking about a NUCLEAR SUBMARINE!

      Check this link: http://www.postponements.com/_leviathan_.htm

      Although I don’t support other things on that website, I do think his article about Leviathan is worth considering, and there are LOTS of good reasons for Leviathan being a nuclear sub, as the article mentions. Eg. Job 41:13 talks about Leviathan’s “double bridle” which means double steering mechanism. Type ‘submarine rudders’ into Google and you will find clear photos of a subs double rudders. That’s just one example.

      Also, I think it makes sense that God punishes Leviathan, if it’s a nuclear submarine that will deliver nuclear destruction in the future. See Isaiah 27:1. Why would God punish Leviathan if it was merely some type of animal?

      • sometimes a word can have a physical meaning, a spiritual meaning, a traditional meaning and a futuristic meaning.

        yes this is possible, that one interpretation of leviathan could be a nuclear submarine.

      • The piercing serpent with a tongue a submarine? Highly unlikely and not for a moment do I think that the Lord needs to bring Himself down to the level of the fallen angels and man in melting metals to create submarines. Not likely when one looks at the lexicons meanings and the verses below where the same word is utilized by the Lord. I think a simple imagination is needed for the real thing and it is the Satan, the dragon who directs all the evil and hate on the earth.

        How do you give a submarine to be meat? …anyway when you read all of Job 41: 1 – 34, the fact is it clearly sounds like a living breathing dragon….and I knew you would all laugh but then can we all imagine the monsters that existed in the pre-flood days when the water bubble surrounded the earth and everything must have been like a greenhouse so even the Behemoth or dinosaurs would have been massive, but, lviathan that walked on the stones of fire in heavan before evil was found in him may have been and is something like a ‘dragon’ of fire or something.

        Go ahead and laugh… but it is better than a submarine hmmm?

        Anyway let us look at the lexicon and then the scriptures….

        Livyathan: “serpent,” a sea monster or dragon
        Original Word: לִוְיָתָן
        Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
        Transliteration: Livyathan
        Phonetic Spelling: (liv-yaw-thawn’)
        Short Definition: Leviathan

        Word Origin
        from the same as livyah
        Definition
        “serpent,” a sea monster or dragon
        NASB Translation
        Leviathan (6).
        leviathan, mourning

        From lavah; a wreathed animal, i.e. A serpent (especially the crocodile or some other large sea- monster); figuratively, the constellation of the dragon; also as a symbol of Bab. — leviathan, mourning.

        see HEBREW lavah

        Brown Drive and Briggs

        לִוְיָתָן noun masculineJob 40:25 serpent, dragon, leviathan, in poetry and rare (on formation from לוה with feminine ת+ ןָ֯ see Thes and compare Ges§ 85, 54 Köii, p. 99 BaNB § 207c; LagBN 205 thinks foreign loan-word); — sea-monster = crocodile Job 40:25; whale Psalm 104:25 (see Che); dragon producing eclipses (mythological) Job 3:8; figurative of Egypt as all-engulfing Psalm 74:14 (“” תַּנִּינִים Psalm 74:13); compare Isaiah 27:1
        Job 41

        New International Version (NIV)

        41 [a]“Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
        or tie down its tongue with a rope?
        2 Can you put a cord through its nose
        or pierce its jaw with a hook?
        3 Will it keep begging you for mercy?
        Will it speak to you with gentle words?
        4 Will it make an agreement with you
        for you to take it as your slave for life?
        5 Can you make a pet of it like a bird
        or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
        6 Will traders barter for it?
        Will they divide it up among the merchants?
        7 Can you fill its hide with harpoons
        or its head with fishing spears?
        8 If you lay a hand on it,
        you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
        9 Any hope of subduing it is false;
        the mere sight of it is overpowering.
        10 No one is fierce enough to rouse it.
        Who then is able to stand against me?
        11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay?
        Everything under heaven belongs to me.

        12 “I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs,
        its strength and its graceful form.
        13 Who can strip off its outer coat?
        Who can penetrate its double coat of armor[b]?
        14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth,
        ringed about with fearsome teeth?
        15 Its back has[c] rows of shields
        tightly sealed together;
        16 each is so close to the next
        that no air can pass between.
        17 They are joined fast to one another;
        they cling together and cannot be parted.
        18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;
        its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
        19 Flames stream from its mouth;
        sparks of fire shoot out.
        20 Smoke pours from its nostrils
        as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
        21 Its breath sets coals ablaze,
        and flames dart from its mouth.
        22 Strength resides in its neck;
        dismay goes before it.
        23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined;
        they are firm and immovable.
        24 Its chest is hard as rock,
        hard as a lower millstone.
        25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified;
        they retreat before its thrashing.
        26 The sword that reaches it has no effect,
        nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
        27 Iron it treats like straw
        and bronze like rotten wood.
        28 Arrows do not make it flee;
        slingstones are like chaff to it.
        29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw;
        it laughs at the rattling of the lance.
        30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds,
        leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.
        31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron
        and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.
        32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it;
        one would think the deep had white hair.
        33 Nothing on earth is its equal—
        a creature without fear.
        34 It looks down on all that are haughty;
        it is king over all that are proud.”

        Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out 4900 leviathan3882 with an hook 2443? or his tongue 3956 with a cord 2256 [which] thou lettest down 8257 ?

        Psa 74:14 Thou brakest 7533 the heads 7218 of leviathan3882 in pieces, [and] gavest 5414 him [to be] meat 3978 to the people 5971 inhabiting the wilderness 6728.

        Psa 104:26 There go 1980 the ships 591: [there is] that leviathan3882, [whom] thou hast made 3335 to play 7832 therein.

        Isa 27:1 In that day 3117 the LORD 3068 with his sore 7186 and great 1419 and strong 2389 sword 2719 shall punish 6485 leviathan3882 the piercing 1281 serpent 5175, even leviathan3882 that crooked 6129 serpent 5175; and he shall slay 2026 the dragon 8577 that [is] in the sea

  19. DJ — “you the man” God bless – Religion is probably got the worst hold on mankind. Traditions hold people in prisons just like you said with Leviathan. Also a Pharisee would get a “convert” to teach – and make him two fold child fit for hell like satan – and also Jesus said – they was “led” astray – thats a big problem today. I do not want to know how to be a good Baptist, Pentecostal, Catholic, Nazerene, etc. etc. Jesus wants us in HIS IMAGE – HE sees the Character of your heart.

  20. Nicetimingcom,

    Leviathan as a sub? Let’s get distracted by submarine races, my goodness!

    Well then, consider this from the web site of the USS Ohio. They take great pride and are proud of their submarine.

    “The officers and crew of USS OHIO (SSGN 726), take great pride in extending to you the hospitality of the United States Submarine Force. It is indeed a pleasure to have you on board as our guest. USS OHIO is–your ship–and we are simply the caretakers…You will find that our crew members are proud of their ship and are eager to show it off. Any suggestions or recommendations you may have as to how we can better serve you are welcome.”

    Now for a history lesson on the “spirit” – Yes it is a spirit of Pride, aka Leviathan.

    Exodus 14:17 gives us the memorable account of Pharaoh’s heart and his army. Oh, God made this happen. He let that “spirit” within Pharaoh’s heart do the work necessary to accomplish a great blessing for His children. He will do it again soon (not just for Hebrews), He will crush the spirit of pride in the Church to release a great Evangelistic Holy Spirit driven work (Isaiah 27:1-5). 

    “And I indeed will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them. So I will gain honor over Pharaoh and over his army, his chariots, and his horsemen. Then, the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD…(Exodus 14:17-18, NKJV).

    Substitute “The World” for “Egypt” and “The Anti-Christ” for “Pharaoh” and we get an idea of what is coming with those 7 Thunders in Revelation that are not written. Just a clue. Want more clues? Read Psalm 29. Return to Isaiah 27:1-5 and then Joel 2:21-24.

    Folks – Pride is a demonic spirit that finds it’s way into the hearts and minds, manifesting in many ways (individual, institutions, governments, military leaders, political leaders, you name it). 

    Dear Lord! Help us to discern the evil, demonic spirits (Hebrews 5:17).

    So now, continue to prepare your vessel, by reading Psalm 74.

    “Us” is the “church”.
    “Sheep of your pasture” is whom?
    The “enemy” is whom?! (Spirit of Leviathan, Jezebel, Bitterness, Rejection, and Python to name the top 5 at war with The Church.)

    The church of the US is choking on food from the enemy (false teaching/preaching – Balaam), and don’t even know it (Jude)!

    Get ready – those of you that are rubbing your eyes. We have less than 20 weeks to prepare our vessel like a wise virgin (Proverbs 23:23).

    Now, be very quiet cause there are several virgins still sleeping. 

    More later – so much to respond/reply. 

    Later today, my Arizona Wildcats (proud), take on the University of Spoiled Children (USC).  I’m a proud Wildcat alum and plan to watch this game, cheering in spirit.

    There may not be any football next season cause we’ll be busy with other things (seal 4).

    Blessings

  21. Hope all will take the time to view this video and let it touch your hearts.

    http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/10/27/i-am-a-shady-acres-film-a-beautiful-treat-for-you-thanks-to-a-reader-c/

  22. DebOrah – When everybody gets out of that “sub” above maybe they take a look at your film.

    Marie Jean – you outdid yourself on this one “Great Piece of Work” you deserve Post of the year award on this: I love it – lol

    Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out 4900 leviathan3882 with an hook 2443? or his tongue 3956 with a cord 2256 [which] thou lettest down 8257 ?

    Psa 74:14 Thou brakest 7533 the heads 7218 of leviathan3882 in pieces, [and] gavest 5414 him [to be] meat 3978 to the people 5971 inhabiting the wilderness 6728.

    Psa 104:26 There go 1980 the ships 591: [there is] that leviathan3882, [whom] thou hast made 3335 to play 7832 therein.

    Isa 27:1 In that day 3117 the LORD 3068 with his sore 7186 and great 1419 and strong 2389 sword 2719 shall punish 6485 leviathan3882 the piercing 1281 serpent 5175, even leviathan3882 that crooked 6129 serpent 5175; and he shall slay 2026 the dragon 8577 that [is] in the sea

    Holy smoke – ty

  23. Yikes…
    The submarine has gone off course! Telescope down! Man your battle stations!! Sound the general alarm!! All hands on deck!! Prepare to dive!
    Check your bubble on belly to 1800. Report ping! Levianthan starboard Sir! Ok boys, welcome to the party! Flip can lid 1 and ready on my mark. Target engaged sir. 3-2-1 MARK! Fire missle! Target marked sir. Steady now, report ping. Target holding position sir. Open can 2. Ready on my mark. Ready sir, target engaged. 3-2-1 Fire! report. Target marked 2 and submerging sir. Ok boys, party’s over. Excellent work. Blowout bubble, we are going home!!! (No dinks in the the goat locker for 3 bells.)

  24. “In that day…Leviathan that twisted serpent (demonic spirit)…”

    Let’s continue the journey of spiritual warfare that began with Wormwood (demonic spirit thrown into the rivers), and see what is coming to purge the Church of Leviathan (spirit of pride and monarch over all such demonic spirits). 

    Please turn to Ezekiel 29:3-7.

    “Behold, I am against you, O Pharaoh king of Egypt (antichrist spirit and the world), O great monster (Leviathan/pride), who lies in the midst of his rivers (life), Who has said, ‘My River (Devine life, living water), is my own; I have made it for myself.’

    But I will put hooks in your jaws, and caused the fish (Christians stuck on pride) of your rivers (selfish living and the pride of life), to stick to your scales; I will bring you (spirit of pride), up out of the midst of your rivers (walks/ways of life), and all the fish in your rivers will stick to your scales.”

     (Christians living in the world of pride; a “purpose” driven life. Please remember that Jesus would make disciples “fishers of men”. They cast their nets as He said and their nets were overflowing with fish. Now, back to Ezekiel).

    “I will leave you in the wilderness, you and all the fish of your rivers (those foolish virgins), you shall fall on the open field; you shall not be picked up or gathered.”

    (Those fish are not raptured, because they were/are foolish and not in the house (Isaiah 26:20), they have no understanding of the Kingdom (Proverbs 23:23 and Romans 14:16-17. Now, back to Ezekiel).

    “I have given you as food to the beasts of the field (vast array of demonic spirits), and to the birds of the heavens (symbolic ravens, vultures – woe!)”

     “Then all the inhabitants of Egypt (world), shall know that I am the Lord, because they have been a staff of reed to the house of Israel (chosen children and part of the commonwealth (Hebrews 2:12-13).”

    “When they took hold of you with the hand, You broke and tore all their shoulders;  when they leaned on you, You broke and made all their backs quiver” (Ezekiel 29:3-7, NKJV with my interpretations).

    Isaiah 51:9-11 gives the picture of pride (Egyptian name Rahab). God wounded that serpent (demon).

    At that time, the antichrist spirit (in Pharaoh) was filled with Rahab (pride) to pursue God’s people. God let the spirit of pride (Leviathan aka Rahab), do the work, driving the Egyptian army to their destruction in a dried up sea (such excellent poetic  justice!).

    So, what is coming very soon (to be fulfilled in a matter of months), the monarch over pride (Leviathan aka Rehab), as a demonic spirit will be put out of the rivers (walks/ways of life), and it will be painful to the foolish virgins.

    Put on the Armor of Light (Romans 13:12), make sure that the Armor of God fits, pray the prayer of Paul in Colossians 1:9-14,  pray like you mean it (Psalm 40, 84, 91), and pray without  ceasing.

    More later. 

    My Arizona Wildcats (pride), defeated the University of Spoiled Children (USC), last Saturday! 

    More college football today and hopeful for another Wildcat victory – this time verses UCLA. 

    Next fall, I’m not expecting much sports – we’ll be to busy with the 4th seal.

    Blessings as we overcome (Rev 12:11)!

  25. I think you all 3 get the best post of year award. – Lord bless you all. Im not making fun of no body here. I just read the post and heard about a submarine that was eating meat. It just hit me just right and then Marie Jean come up with that classic post – now DebOrah – comes up with one and Dj you still “the man” that started it all. I love you all. God bless you.
    PS Mariana probably wondering what’s happen to my forum:

  26. I have no doubt demons exist; however, I find it difficult to believe that a Loving Father God allows such a vile creature as Satan to terrorise and torment us to drive us to repentance and create a world that from the moment we enter it tempts us continually to sin and sets down laws the flesh cannot keep. Then I received a major revelation. In the bible it describes TWO Gods… one of light and darkness and one of LIGHT ONLY having no darkness at all. When The Light of God calls us and fills our lives, darkness becomes superfluous, having no purpose whatsoever. The God of light and darkness tests us. The God of Light only lovingly guides us back Home. The God of light and darkness is of the world. The God of Light only is NOT of the world. The God of light and darkness keeps us in the flesh. The God of Light only frees us from the flesh. Similarly, the flesh and soul are of the world, but our Spirit is not of the world. Connect with the Living Spirit of God, the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Ghost, which Jesus shed his precious blood to give us, and The Father God of Light will guide you back Home.

    • Catherine,

      Let me offer these verses from Matthew chapter 8 to explain the wisdom of the LORD and His ways.

      “See that you never despise one of these little ones for I tell you that their angels in heaven are continually seeing the face of my Father in heaven…

      “Moreover, if your brother commits a sin against you, go and show him his fault — but privately, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won back your brother. If he doesn’t listen, take one or two others with you so that every accusation can be supported by the testimony of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to hear them, tell the congregation; and if he refuses to listen even to the congregation, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax-collector… Then Kefa came up and said to him, “Rabbi, how often can my brother sin against me and I have to forgive him? As many as seven times?”

      “No, not seven times,” answered Yeshua, “but seventy times seven!

      Because of this, the Kingdom of Heaven may be compared with a king who decided to settle accounts with his deputies. Right away they brought forward a man who owed him many millions; and since he couldn’t pay, his master (Father God) ordered that he, his wife, his children and all his possessions be sold to pay the debt. But the servant fell down before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ So out of pity for him, the master (Father God) let him go and forgave the debt.

      “But as that servant was leaving, he came upon one of his fellow servants who owed him some tiny sum. He grabbed him and began to choke him, crying, ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ His fellow servant ell before him and begged, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.’ But he refused; instead, he had him thrown in jail until he should repay the debt.

      When the other servants (Believers) saw what had happened, they were extremely distressed; and they went and told their master (Father God) everything that had taken place.

      Then the master (Father God) summoned his servant and said, ‘You wicked servant!

      I forgave you all that debt just because you begged me to do it. Shouldn’t you have had pity on your fellow servant just as I had pity on you?’ And in anger his master (Father God) turned him over to the jailers (demons) for punishment until he paid back everything he owed.

      This is how my heavenly Father will treat you (Believer), unless you each forgive your brother from your hearts” (Matthew 18:10-35, Complete Jewish Bible with interpretation).

      It is my understanding that Father God will give over anyone (even a Believer) to demonic torment (bitterness/anger other “spirits”) – unless that person does not forgive from their heart those that hurt, harmed or cause them pain. We are called to be rooted in love – not rooted bitterness.

      Bitterness is the root of many demonic oppression. Pride, control and rebellion are the other significant doorways into the heart that can open to demonic oppression.

      There is a reason for God to allow torment – to move us to “Repent”.

      Also, please read 2 Peter 2:17 to the end of that chapter for other insight into the righteous judgments God for those that turn away from walking on the path of righteousness – a path they come to know (experience/walk), but turned away.

      Psalm 40 and 51 apply.

      Blessings

  27. Hi Catherine,

    There is thee God in whom there is no darkness at all and there is Satan and his angels, the powers of darkness, who rebelled agains God. Satan and his angels are indeed the ones who are at fault in leading men and women astray:

    “The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.”

    Neither Satan nor his angels can force us to sin, but they can tempt us to sin by using our sinful nature against us. Regarding your statememt:

    ” I find it difficult to believe that a Loving Father God allows such a vile creature as Satan to terrorise and torment us to drive us to repentance and create a world that from the moment we enter it tempts us continually to sin and sets down laws the flesh cannot keep.”

    It is not Satan and his angels purpose to drive humans to repentance, but to keep us in the flesh which leads to the same destruction that is guaranteed for them, the lake of fire. Also, if you don’t believe that Satan and his are responsible, then I would suggest that you read the book of Job and all that God allowed Satan to inflict on him. For regarding Satan and his angels the word of God states the following:

    “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.” (Ephesians 6:12)

    Also, the very reason that Jesus came was because we could not keep the law of Moses, which is why we are no longer under the law, but are led by the Spirit of God and follow Jesus. The law kills in that it only makes us conscious of sin for the word of God says:

    “Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. ”

    “Clearly, God’s promise to give the whole earth to Abraham and his descendants was based not on his obedience to God’s law, but on a right relationship with God that comes by faith. If God’s promise is only for those who obey the law, then faith is not necessary and the promise is pointless. For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!)

    Christ freed us from the law, but let us use that freedom for righteous living and not to fulfill the evil desires of the flesh.

    “Yours in Christ

  28. I’m a blood bought child of God. Before asking Jesus to be my savor , I was trying to make contact with the spirit we all seen in our home. I’ve since renounced this and confessed this as a sin and now I see how stupid it is! People speak to demons and don’t believe it! Anyway I heard a sound like helicopters descend upon my home. Then I began to hear demonic voices and then I began to see them! Now I’ve done everything a human can do I’ve been so obedient that I had no doubt that I was right with God! I ran from anything sinful! Anyway I’ve continued to still hear these demons they’re ruining my life as well as my family’s! This has gone on now for over 4 yrs! I’ve ask God please tell me what I’m doing wrong and all I got was ‘ enough ‘ and behold the accuser that stand before God and accuses the brethren! Please try to help me! I’ve began to slip some since then, and it grieves me deeply! Pray over this and tell me what u get. Also idk why God has showed me so many things if I don’t belong to him? Like the mark of the beast. The mark is those who don’t obey his commandments! Simply as that! There’s so much he’s shown me there’s no way to write them all here. But yes they all line up with his word. Also be aware of the false prophet at work now divination is the spirit false dreams and visions too! Jezebel calls herself a prophet but she’s a liar! She loves her front seat in the church’s I tell you the truth I’ve seen her in so many it’s a shame! And the people avoid confrontation with her and surrender to a passive mind, and give in to her leading! Wake up ! Maybe this is what Daniel is talking about ‘ the desolation’ in the church? Anyway God bless you. Kim pray for more workers the harvest is plenty but the workers are few! Also behold in the skies lying signs and wonders! They’re here to deceive Gods elect IF POSSIBLE key word IF POSSIBLE! Praise The Lord ! Those who trust in God will not be disgraced! I’d think that cover not being deceived huh ?

  29. God bless you (Psalm 18, 140 and 20).

    I suggest you purchase these books by Derek Prince as soon as possible:

    Rules of Engagement
    Secrets of a Prayer Warrior
    Thou Shall Expel Demons

    Also search for Win Worley material (booklets). There is a website but I do not have that address avsilable.

    Keep reading the Word and read it aloud in your home.

    See “Prayer over a House” which is within Heaven Awaits. This will be helpful to you and your “home”.

    Blessings
    Psalm 27

  30. Thank you so much for everything I’m in a place were I feel all alone an I’m crying out for help but it seem every place I turn is the wrong turn. I am a sinner an I’m trying to change an I need prayer an I need help right away I don’t know what to do or who to go to for help I just pray the prayer you have giving me an I hope an pray God here me an know everything I said in the prayer you gave me to say is from the heart an I mean every word. Amen

    • kevin

      only you know everything that is wrong, but you have the courage to work to change it and pray about it. you have my prayers. if you want to contact me off line, you may do so when you get the email with this message. May God bless you and protect you, and give you strength to fight off the enemy. the enemy comes to steal , kill and destroy, but with God all things are possible, and with God there is everlasting life, through the work of Jesus on the cross for you.

    • Kevin,

      After reading Psalm 25 you will see the phrase “fear of The Lord.”

      This is His treasure. So I want to share this treasure with you. YouTube search “Derek Prince The Lord’s Treasure” and watch, keeping your bible open, taking notes.

      This message can help you grow in your knowledge and understanding of the Word. The Lord honors such passion, seeking His treasure.

      I believe that He is drawing you to Him (Psalm 23:1-3).

      Also – “give thanks. See Psalm 103 as an example and say the first couple verse often.

      Blessings
      Psalm 25

  31. God bless you. I’ll write you more later. I suggest you also locate “Armor of God Prayer” on Heaven Awaits and meditate upon the words and the say the prayer as your own. Then make the proclamations. The enemy hates the blood of Jesus, the Light of Heaven and the Word of God. The more you apply those the better your soul and spirit will gain strength in the Lord.

    Read Psalm 25 and apply it to your heart too.

    Blessings
    Psalm 27

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