Yahweh and the American Indians

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The Native (North and South) American Indians have a relationship with YHVH (YHWH) that precedes the white man’s gospel.

How did they know?

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I have asked one American Indian, and he says they do not consider themselves as descending from ancient Israelites.

Yet they have similar spiritualities.

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So, how did they come to know Yahweh?

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The spirit of Indian music reflects the spirit of Yahweh.

This is Turanian Indian Music from Peru

The audio is good, but the video part “sticks” some, and  you cannot see the dancing well.  For a better view,right click on the video, and it will bring you to the original you tube sight.  The video is better there.

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How did the 10 commandments end up in New Mexico? Especially on stone?

Click here:

http://godssecret.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/oldest-known-10-commandments-is-in-america-in-ancient-hebrew-script-from-time-of-king-solomon/

The Las Lunas Decalogue is an example of early Hebrew script resembling Phoenician writing

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More on possible migrations of Israel

http://www.asis.com/users/stag/americab.html

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Maybe some American tribes are related to Hebrews, and others are not.

Cherokee connection to Yahweh:

http://laetitiasmile.blogspot.com/2009/07/cherokee-belived-in-yahweh-god-of-hebew.html

http://www.cherokeediscovery.com/religion.html

Pawnee, Shawnee, Puan, Wallapai – contact with the Pale prophet:

http://www.wolflodge.org/sananda/walked-america.htm

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Modern Hebrew – Israeli music –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe1_0FyBsjE&feature=related

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notice the similarities and the use of “ye heya”

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Sacred Teachings

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Summary:

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It is clear that the Indians of America possess a special spirituality that reminds Christians and Jews of the holy teachings given by Yahweh.

In some tribes, there may be a direct ancestral connection to the ancient Israelites.

In other tribes, there may be no connection at all.

But, it is clear that Yahweh has revealed Himself to some of these peoples, and this reflects in their actions, values, songs, prophecies, and traditions.

We need to de-program ourselves from thinking that Yahweh would only want to reveal Himself to just one part of His creation, the Israelites.

** In any civilization, error can be present, and false spirituality can arise.

We need to realize that He would want all of His creation to know Him as Father Creator.

The Bible is holy scripture, and history, of the ancient Hebrews, who were chosen to share God’s Word, and bring forth the Messiah.

But, there can be many holy people groups, with their own divine missions, if they just listen to the voice of Yahweh God.

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For more:

http://www.QuietBuck.com


98 Responses to “Yahweh and the American Indians”

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  2. Hi Marianne,

    Original “white man’s gospel” is gospel of Adam. Adam knew God’s name, hebrew and even wrote down a book. Some of his descendants could inherit that knowledge.

  3. We see throughout the Torah how important the naming of people and rivers and tribes ect.
    We certainly have a long list and too long here for me to mention because I assume that by now everyone which visits this site already possess a fair understanding in these matters.
    Albeit today in modern societies naming a child does not bare much significance …
    My observation is that names like paul, peter, john, mary, jane ect. abounds with not much meaning associated with a vacant name.
    You may agree with this or disagree but the fact remains.
    How many Mohamed are there?
    However with the native tribes naming was of extreme importance … that is until the
    ‘church’ decided to strip the natives of their names, their language, their hair, their culture, their feasts, etc. thus extinguishing their heritage and their history.
    Actually today it is very hard to find truth. History was rewritten and as they say ‘he who controls the past holds the future,’ to suit the powers which are.
    Like the name of ‘Jacob’ ( he who holds the heel’) being changed by God to ‘Israel’
    (he who wrestles with the angel) we find the same type of naming in the tribes of the american Indians.
    The name at birth is the small name like ‘little feather’ but then there was a ceremony
    that a young man for example had to undergo to find his true name, before entering manhood.
    This was called a vision quest.
    The young man would go away from the tribe by himself with a buffalo skin only.
    This was a fast.
    The young man would draw a circle on the earth with a stick and then would sit at the centre of this circle with his banket and would remain there for days and nights without food nor water.
    He was on a vision journey in prayer to the Creator to reveal to him his shield which was his name.
    Meanwhile the elders in the camp would also be in prayer asking the creator to reveal to them the soul and the name of the lad.
    While the fast was occurring within the circle of protection the young boy would also take not of anything which entered the circle with him.
    A bird, a deer, a bear, a mouse, ect.
    For these things were signs from the Great Spirit.
    After many days the young man would experience the vision and his name would be revealed to him.
    Like ‘he who wrestles a bear’ ….
    After he returned from the quest back to his people his shield was then made and that reflecting the man’s name.
    That was his name and his protection for the remainder of his life.
    That shield was his medicine wheel and was always placed at the entrance of his tent when he was home.
    His name was very powerful because it was given to him by The Great Spirit.
    There was also a similar quest for a girl but not as intense since she was more fragile than he.
    Some would never come back from there vision quest and some only came back moons later.
    But it was a required quest and all the tribe would pray for the seeker.
    The boy coming to manhood was a test.
    Well I hope you may today understand the importance of ‘names’.

  4. Abigail,

    Hi hope you are well.

    What was taught before can be learned again. There are more lessons to be given.

    The biggest mistake we can make is to underestimate the Love of the Creator.

    Follow the path of Crazy Horse in this. To surrender means to die.
    Fight on. Psalm 60:12 Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies.

    Love,

    John

    • John,
      Even the one you and they call ‘Crazy Horse’ is not His Life name.
      The life name was never addressed. It can never be mention.
      Think of it like the name that The Spirit of God gives upon a stone which no man knows but he who receives it.
      The only path to follow is the path of The Spirit which lies between the lodge and the Fire.
      There is nothing to fight on for.
      There never was.
      If the white man would have wanted to learn he was given the chance. And he refused. He chose instead the way of the greedy puppy.
      He fenced what was never meant to be walled and dug wells of black oil.
      Remember it will take Israel 7 years to burn the weapons of war.
      And until his eyes are opened he remains blind.

  5. Abigail,

    Hi hope you are well.

    No there is a battle and our weapon is the Sword of the Spirit, Ephesians 6. Christians are warrior people to do good works.

    There are lessons everywhere.

    And no the Way is Jesus.

    Love,

    John

  6. Hi marianne,
    What happened to the videos on this page?

  7. Man I not tryting to be funny you guys Abigail and u need to go back to school Iam a expert almost in world history I love history and study it alot . I am open to ideas but not when I know they are wrong. Native americans were not descendents of Jews fact. Nor was Jews descendents from natives. Natives came from Mongolia and they look like those people. Natives are closer to cambodians in appearance than Jews. In so far as for your Yaweh theory maybe god did show up but to me thats too close to that foul mormon doctrine. And I know what u guys want to say and want to say and going to bring some hoccus pocus evidence but look up natives and there u will find no Jew descent in their blood. And not omly that but u said Jews were white looking and people and caucasian so how are the native descending from them come guys lets get back into reality.

    • hi tmac

      I had said above:

      Maybe some American tribes are related to Hebrews, and others are not.

      I have talked to a Sioux, and he said he was not related to Israelites. But the Cherokee seem to have a different background and opinion.

    • Hello tmac, please read Genesis 48 and Ezekiel 37 to begin with.
      The Jews are only one tribe of the Israelites.
      The “House of Israel” mentioned in the Bible is not the nation-state Israel.

      • in fact, the founding of the state Israel 1948 did NOT fulfill prophecy:

        http://nccg.org/mlt/sermons/3_198.html

        • hi silvan

          That is an anti-Semitic site, if you read closely. 1948 did fulfill prophecy. Just because Christians misinterpreted prophecy at the time does not mean things were not going as God planned. The modern Israelite DOES have a good heart, and the actions of Israel have been slandered across the globe to destroy it. This is also prophecy being fulfilled, since it is predicted that all nations will come against Israel.

          • Hi marianne,
            i dont think it is anti-semitic to say that. (besides most people today are descendants of Sem)
            And the bible clearly shows (eg Gen.48 and Ez.37) that Israel is different from the tribe of Judah, who are living in that state, which is incorrectly and misleadingly called Israel.
            Ez.37 shows that Israel is restored and reunited with the House of Judah after this age. The House of Israel is most likely Great Britain, USA and others.
            http://www.nccg.org is the site of Messianic Evangelicals- doesnt that mean many are themselves Jews. Do they have hatred against themselves? To say Israel is not the Jews is just biblical truth, an Axiom with which every prophecy about Israel has to be looked at again.

            Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly stated (see the Israeli publication Shishi, Spring 1994) that he was initiated into the Masonic Lodge while in the United States.
            HAARETZ: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1138386.html
            “Netanyahu has agreed that the negotiations with the Palestinians will be based on the 1967 borders. This is one of the pillars of the statement of principles George Mitchell is slated to present during his next visit to
            the region in less than two weeks.”

            That would be the death sentence for Judah.
            The people of Judah surely have a “good” heart, but their leaders are not automatically god-fearing persons. Moreover, as the old covenant of blood sacrifice and forgiveness isnt valid anymore (for no one) Judah is not fully holy nor righteousness ones as many christians DOGMATICALLY believe.

            • silvan

              There are many people who hate the Jews, and these are some of them

              There are also many self hating Jews, who support hatred against Israel. This kind of warped psychology is amazing, but also tragic. It reminds of the syndrome where the victim identifies with its persecutor.

              although the semite is more than just a jew, the term anti-semite has come to mean only bias against jews, since they are the only Israelites/ Judaites/ Hebrews who practice their faith of judaism.

              • I cant see hatred in biblical truths.
                And i DONT hate them either.
                The House of Israel is NOT the current state of Israel. Biblical truth. I thought we had already agreed on this..

                • well, most of the time in scripture, the term Israel is used to apply to BOTH Israel and Judah. TO me, it does not matter.

                  In the last days, the true house of Israel, and the house of Judah are to be united as ONE again.

                  Jer 31:31 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

                  Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

                  Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

                  Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

                  Zec 10:6 And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I [am] the LORD their God, and will hear them.

                  • YES, Absolutely! But look at the timing, when this does happen:
                    Ez. 37
                    -Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
                    – 22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all. 24And David my servant shall be king over them
                    -23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions.

                    Israel and Judah is reunited when
                    -the dead are raised
                    -they will be sinless
                    -David will be king

                    The “House of Israel” today must be lead according to Gen.48 by two mighty nations.
                    When were these two mighty nations reunited with the Jews? Not yet!

                    • the entire nation of Israel – if you mean america, england, and others ( billions of people) would never FIT into the land of Israel, and they do not plan to go there anyhow…

                      this refers to those that do return in the last days…..

                      once they are there, Messiah shows up to save them…notice that in zechariah that Judah is already there when Jacob’s trouble starts….this presence was initiated in 1948.

                      Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah [and] against Jerusalem.

      • I agree, there were 12 tribes Jews being JUDAH or from the land of Judea. There are 11 other tribes and color has nothing to do with it.

      • Amen There is too much overwhelming evidence when you understand ancient israelite culture, etc. and Native American culture, spirituality, etc. not to speculate that some Native American tributes are true descendants of ancient israelites. A person must read the writings of schollars, etc, including Native American history in the 17th and 18th century and 19th century writings.

    • The only thing that matters is that you accept YAhshua, Jesus what ever you want to call him because it does not matter if you are Jew, Israelite, german or whatever you still need salvation. I am so called “African American” and I belive I am a blood decendant of Israel (the person not the state). So will you tell me im wrong because im darker than you or of a different complexion.

      • hi mr blue

        I agree. I think after several thousand years of Diaspora, it would be impossible to say who is who now, except by religious practice, or a DNA test.

        • Hello Marianne, I have done some research into the whole who is Israel thing. I grew up christian and I have had salvation now for about 4 years. I never understood the whole israel thing becaus I was never taught it. I always thought that the people who call themselvs Jews were Yah’s chosen people, and that so called “African Americans” are just people from Africa but never did the research. To make a long story short, I cant say exactly who is considered a “DECENDANT OF ISRAEL” I belive I am and I really believe I am of the tribe Manessa Half egyptian and half hebrew. Egyptians were Africans even though many people dont want to plainly say that. But all that matters is salvation to the soul. When the time comes as Yah stated in Isaiah, we will see Israel reunited and the Body of Christ in its place (prayerfully). Be blessed and spread the Gospel of Christ Jesus/Yahshua.

    • tmac, for a history expert.. you need to learn how to spell.. how can you read history as a expert when you can’t even type plain and simple english? false pride and vanity is the work of satan.

      I think your dead wrong on what ya said tmac, and soon GOD himself is coming to prove it, i hope your ready, I am.

      My people used to speak in small quiet circles made of only algonquin peoples about Cheezues, the son of the dawn star, a very real person, your bible is about him, in your book he said:” I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.” Do you not understand? It’s realy quite simple, it is not a test, the proof is indeed here, on this continent.

      I can tell you from what I remember that he has eyes that are grey green, and deep as the ocean, mesmerizing almost, you will have to look into his eyes, you WILL NOT be able to avoid it, it is inevitable, and his prescence will fill you with joy, doubt all you want, thats what the devil wants.

      He is destined to return before long, his followers must do as we are told, I have already begun my work, his garb must be gathered and laid out so he knows that we are ready for him. I am laying out garb, you should too. He wears golden scandals and a white robe, with crosses along the bottom hem, real crosses, not “christianized” crosses, one like jesus actually was attached to, it is more like a capitol T.

      your opinion is the one described in this great sermon: http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/sermons/38/ and you should be aware of that lest ye enter the house of Satan not seeing the trap laid out for you, it IS there.

      The best trick the Devil ever played was making mankind think he didn’t exist.

    • I am a cree woman and also did alot of research but also in spirit and believe me, i have found alot of my culture and ceremonial practices in what ancient hebrews did. Even I have found my ancient cree language have the same words as ancient hebrews and meaning. I would not speak so fast neechi…

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  8. The Turanian Indian music video was amazing! I’ll check out the others when I have time. Some time back, I found a website where you could hear The Lord’s Prayer spoken in Aramaic. It sounded A LOT like the Navajo language!!

    Some of the apostolic leaders have been fellowshiping with many of the American Indians for some time, had them perform and speak at some of their conferences and such. One Jay Swallow (if I recall the name corrently) is an apostle himself, to one of the Nations in Oklahoma; what an awesome man of God. They do lots of evangelistic work on the reservations, and are facilitating a healing between people groups. This was so timely, as I am seeing so much unity emerging in the Body of Christ between various people groups!

  9. HI,May our Lord YAHWEH bless you all.
    I would like to tell you a story about my 1/4 Cherokee Indian husband. My husband’s Great Great Grandmother was a Cherokee and one of 3 wives . Her husband and my husband’s Great Great Grandfather also a Cherokee left her and another wife and all the children they had by him in Georgia to fend for themselves and took the youngest wife to march the trail of tears. It was told to us that they were only allowed to claim one wife and he thought the youngest was the strongest and could make the march. Kind Christian white people took pity on them and took some of the children in so they would not starve. My husbands Great Grandfather was one of these children . This kind family took him in and he took their last name as his own. When he was grown he married a Indian women from another tribe out of Mississippi. We are not sure which tribe. They had children and one of them was my husbands Grandfather. He fell in love with a white women and they eloped . They left Mississippi soon after that and moved to another state. They had 13 children one of which was my husbands mother who was 1/2 Indian. She had Indian features. She married a man of German ancestry. They had 4 kids and one of them became my husband. My husband got his Indian features and my children do as well from his mom. He was raised to have faith in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. His parents never told us this truth about his mothers true heritage till our children were grown. I have always loved the Indian people and was honored and happy to know i had married into one of God’s great Indian Tribes of people the Cherokee Nation. This subject that Marianne brought to our attention in this article about the great Indian people and their rich culture gave me a chance to learn more about my husbands Indian heritage and i am so grateful to her for that. We never have heard of what happened to the Cherokee Indian Great Great Gramdfather of my husband’s and his youngest wife and their children . We do not know if they even made it to OKLAHOMA. Like many people with Indian blood in them my huband has no proff he has Indian blood in him because there are no paper records showing any of this, We only have the word of mouth family history and the passed down generational Indian genes and features of my husband’s Indian family blood lines. One of my grandchildren looks very much like his Indian ancestors and is a very handsome boy.

    I think my husbands grandparents hid the Indian Heritage of his Grandfather because of the fear of being looked down on if it was known in the state where they had moved to in the 1890’s that he was Indian and his wife was white.
    Sad to say but we think because of his white name and fairly light skin he thought it best for his wife and childrens sake if he passed for white. Times have changed a lot since then and my husband who is now 74 years old is very proud and open about his Indian Cherokee heritage since he found out about it. We are glad they told us before they passed away. We would have never known.
    I pray God will bless all the Indian people and their
    Indian Nations including my husband’s Cherokee Nation in every way in Jesus Christ YESHUA’S name Amen .

    • hi Nhel

      Thank you for sharing that. It has happened, but should never have been the case. No one should be afraid because of their racial heritage. One’s race is a gift from God. That was His decision, not man’s, and to discriminate based on race is to go against God himself.

    • hi Nhel

      Thank you for sharing that. It has happened, but should never have been the case. No one should be afraid because of their racial heritage.

      One’s race is a gift from God. That was His decision, not man’s, and to discriminate based on race is to go against God himself.

  10. Happy New Year,

    Thanks so much for such a beautiful music from my ‘closer’ kinsfolk, Tatanaka by Alborada. Beautiful sounds, instruments, and most of all the people! It really lifts my spirit up out of my depression. Perhaps you know how to get the lyric translated to English, do you?

    The rest of your posting, I shall take time to go through and enjoy.

    I’m sending all of you wonderful shalom from our Lord,

    Oun.

    • Hi Oun

      I do not know, but check their website.

      http://ayllurecords.com/VideosEnglish.htm

      maybe you can contact them through that site.

      blessings and happy new year

    • Oun,
      To understand the lyrics of ‘Alborada Tatanaka’, you would have to understand the original peruvian quechua (qheshwa), language of the Inca Empire.
      Today, quechua is a mix with some spanish, (the language of the invaders).
      The original language resembles Hebrew because of the lack of vowels.
      Anyways this song is to the alborada meaning ‘white’ Tatanaka meaning ‘Great Spirit.’ Basically it describes The Great Spirit (white light) as the giver of all things living. (everything)
      And everything is a type of mirror to the greatness of The Powerful Spirit.
      It could be summed up as ‘O Great Spirit ‘You who give everything.’
      O Great wakan tanka strong, powerful.’ (beauty is also implied).
      Hope that helps.

  11. Very good. Carry one….

  12. information sent by Silvan:

    Israel’s Lost Empires
    Was ancient Israel a landlocked nation or a seacoast trading empire? In this fascinating study, historian Steven M. Collins details the little-known story of Israel’s ancient empires.

    Not only did King David’s land empire stretch clear across the Mideast to Mesopotamia, but Israel boasted a navy which merged with and dominated the famed Phoenicians.

    Hebrew ships plied the Mediterranean, establishing colonies along the European and North African coasts. Israel’s influence in the ancient city-state of Carthage has never before been so thoroughly documented, nor her definite presence in early Britain.
    !!!New evidence is presented also suggesting that her ships visited the North American continent, as well.!!!
    This study plows much new ground in ancient history.

    http://messianicevangelicals.ning.com/notes/The_Lost_Tribes_of_Israel

  13. silvan,

    the entire nation of Israel – if you mean america, england, and others ( billions of people) would never FIT into the land of Israel, and they do not plan to go there anyhow…

    this refers to those that do return in the last days…..

    once they are there, Messiah shows up to save them…notice that in zechariah that Judah is already there when Jacob’s trouble starts….this presence was initiated in 1948.

    Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah [and] against Jerusalem.

    -

  14. Notice the similarity in ancient music. – between American Indians and the Israelis- this is a mix of modern and ancient….

  15. Here is another interesting video. These Indians are singing about the Diaspora. (Dispersal of Israel tribes to around the world)

    They obviously feel or know about a connection to Israel. Here, it is the girl’s turn to dance.

    Both Indians and Israelis like to dance barefooted.

    Also, notice that the name of the director is
    “Israel Inga Patoja.” Coincidence?

  16. Diaspora translation to english:

    Soft rains that come after me, come
    after my footprint on the pampa so that the father of my
    beloved can not find. Half moon Mother
    night when you shine on me
    wind and rain and I found surprised me
    in fog. Lead me to walk where
    grow beautiful flowers, avoiding the thorns
    can damage the hands of my beloved, the
    hands of my beloved whom I adore. I look for people in
    town, no one will even been submitted. As
    I’ll be wondering where you live and find
    nobody will notice. And when you find you
    I will carry in my horse’s rump and Jessica
    closely spaced together, we will pass as wind,
    without anyone noticing, not imagine.
    Ocobamba hermoza flower, my dream you are going to
    coo, live at the bottom of my
    sallqa hermoza heart flower. You marvel
    the sun and the moon also moorings,
    Ocobamba hermoza flower as the day you
    happiest of my life, only
    for you is my heart ..

  17. http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/joannabrooks/3200/beck,_native_americans,_and_the_book_of_mormon/

    August 24, 2010 11:43am Beck, Native Americans, and the Book of Mormon Post by JOANNA BROOKS

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    Glenn Beck and Mormon attitudes towards Native Americans are in the spotlight these days, after Beck launched into a meandering, half-baked discourse on the Bat Creek stones on his show last week.

    Since then, lots of folks who know a little about Mormonism—from liberals at Gawker to conservative evangelical Christians—have seized on the foray as another evidence of the way his Mormonism shapes Beck’s messaging, pointing to traditional Mormon beliefs that Native peoples of the Americas are related to ancient peoples of the Middle East. (My RD colleague Julie Ingersoll covers the fundamentalist anti-Mormon pushback here.)

    Today, RightWing Watch is pushing the envelope a little further, suggesting that in his ongoing discussion of Native origins and archeology as related to the “Divine Destiny” of the United States, Beck is smuggling a “foundational premise upon which the Book of Mormon is based” into his programming, in the service of a Mormon agenda.

    Not so fast. Is a belief in ancestral connection between indigenous Americans and ancient Middle Eastern tribes a “foundational premise” of Mormonism?

    Orthodox mainstream LDS Church members believe in the literal historicity of the Book of Mormon as a record of ancient peoples who migrated from the Middle East to the Americas. Since 1981, published prefaces to the Book of Mormon have stated that descendants of those Middle Eastern peoples were the “principal” ancestors of the Native Americans. Beginning in 2002, LDS anthropologist Thomas Murphy published research citing DNA studies showing that Native Americans have almost exclusive ancestral ties to Asian populations as a challenge to Book of Mormon historicity. Murphy faced a church disciplinary court, but several other LDS scholars have taken up the genetics issue, generating a new consensus moving away from a totalizing view of ancient Israelite Book of Mormon peoples as the primary ancestors of Native Americans. In 2006, Doubleday published a Church-authorized version of the Book of Mormon that rephrased the introduction to state that Book of Mormon peoples were “among” the ancestors of Native Americans. A small shift, it might seem to outsiders, but a very significant one to LDS people and a move hailed by LDS anthropologists and scholars as a welcome corrective.

    If anything, Mormon leaders have been slowly but steadily deemphasizing Native Americans over the last three decades, abandoning the grand discourse once used in the 1970s by Church leaders like Spencer Kimball to describe even contemporary Native peoples as Book of Mormon “Lamanites” with a special history and destiny. That deemphasis has led to mixed feelings and even lasting hurt among some Native peoples, as the recent death of once-prominent Navajo Mormon George P. Lee, who had served as a high-ranking Church leader but was later excommunicated, reminds us.

    Ask a 21st-century Mormon what the foundational premise of the Book of Mormon is, and he or she will tell you that they believe the book is scripture because they read it and prayed about it and find reason for hope and deeper faith in its pages. As it is for most contemporary people of faith, personal spiritual experience is the foundational premise of contemporary Mormonism.

    Beck’s new take on American Indians is like his old infatuation with Cleon Skousen: when Beck is desperate for material, he reaches into rich archives of Mormon thought and writing unfamiliar to most outsiders and (forgive the pun) strikes gold. In so doing, he enthralls his base of hardcore LDS conservatives and confuses or even embarrasses the rest of us.

    • kitti

      I agree for the most part. But the science is only as good as the test they do. If they test the wrong part of the DNA they will get the wrong answers and conclusions.

      1. I would have to first ask if the Indians are NOT – at least part of them – of hebrew descent – then WHERE did the stone with ancient hebrew come from that contains the 10 commandments that was found?

      2. If they think the Indians came from East Asia, then where did the people from Eat Asia come from?

      3. If they – at least some of them – are not related to Hebrews, then why do they spell the name of their God the same way Hebrews do? and notice in the video, they SPELL the name, they do not pronounce the name. This is definitely a Hebrew practice. Gentiles pronounce the name, but the Hebrews say the name is ineffable, or not pronounceable, because it is so sacred.

      remember, we all go back to Noah. So we are all related somehow.

    • Also the Book of Mormon mentions Jesus appearing in the Americas after the resurrection. There is some evidence regarding that, in Indian legends.

      I want to make a distinction between Quetzly cotyl, Lucifer, posing as Christ as Christ Himself. There are some accounts that mix the two figures.

      Quetzly cotyl would teach falsehood. Jesus would teach the pure gospel.

      Quetzly cotyl would have appeared in Pre-coumbian times….

      Jesus would have come about 33 AD.

  18. http://mrscottyl.blogspot.com/2010/11/cherokees-proven-to-be-lost-tribe-of.html

  19. Some interesting books to read are: View of the Hebrews, Star of the West; Elias Boudinot, and a pamphlet by Mordechi M. Noah. Those will take you to other books which I have but cannot remember authors off hand. They give a strong case for Native Americans being descendants of the House of Israel, israelites.

  20. testing

  21. There are many good resources out there regarding Native Americans and ancient Israelites. Some good resources are Star of the West, Elias Boudinot; View of the Hebrews, Mordechi M. Noah, North
    American Indians. I have read these books, pamphlets and they are very good. There have always been scoffers and there will always will. God scattered the tribes to the whole earth. Does not one think that included North and South America? Who do they think was in America; Native Americans. Could not the God who parted the red sea, the God who was a pillar of fire by night and pillar of cloud by day have guided them to the Americas? Why did they Hebrew words in their dialect? Similar spiritualities, they had cities of refuge here; they didn t need prisons.

  22. Hello. I am a 55 year old Apache boy from San Carlos, Arizona. I am simply looking for fellowship and the truth. God bless you. Smile Jesus loves you. Philippians 3:13-14

    • hi Eric

      We have several people here who are part Indian. We talk about different bible topics, Jesus, and the bible prophecies. Feel free to join any page and comment with others.

      As an Indian, you could help explain some of the Indian prophecies, and what is the source of them. I see some truth in what they say, and I think there is much wisdom there.

      I really do not understand the Indian spirituality. You left a comment on another page that you renounced the Apache god and Lucifer. Is Lucifer part of the Indian religion? Or is he a separate belief system? Who do the Apaches think is god?

      Thank you.

  23. Did anyone ever consider the parting of the red sea was the dividing of north america and european continents?

    it would explain how the work in the caverns and yellowstone and other great rocks are similar to the egyptians works. And babylon states the world was one perhaps it means one land mass?
    Quetzacoatl the coat of many colors who is as wise as the serpent but innocent as a dove.? this sound like Joseph? And chalam balam who rode to israel on a tallking donkey, the prophet to the mayans was called chalam. and they ride donkeys in mexico still.

    • hi Elizabeth

      You are right. Not all American Indians are connected to the Jewish tribes and share that faith. Much of the Indian spirituality is based on paganism.

      The red sea is a real place in Egypt, and the parting occurred there. If the continents split, it was during the great flood of Noah.

      Quetzacoatl is satan, or Lucifer. He is not innocent.

      May God bless you on your quest.

  24. i also want to say in my rresearches their spirituality is very very related to greek mythos. tricksters, curses, pride,aliens apollo and the hyperboreans, the circular beamsand temples. Andits very very close to celtic ancient practices and druidism. Some of this stuff is absolutely true. Such as Zues, the lightening god (the lightening path on the quabbalah tree oflife and the medicine mans tree or world viewmap). Father Zues of Joshua ( the successor to moses) and joshua is greek for jesus.

    Oak trees, and their spirits. Ascension paths. Its very relateable. If you can look beyond the surfaces.

    Christianity (the roman/christian) style seems more pharisetical jewish temple like.

    It makes you wonder.

  25. If you all believe in the links between Native Americans and Hebrews – they you should all be Mormons. ;). This would be more evidence for the Book of Mormon and the Prophet Joseph Smith. It is my solem testimony that they are both true and divine, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

    • Mormonism is false. G-d was never a man, and one can not become as G-d.

      Joseph Smith look into a hat that had seer stones to see into the future. That is who you follow.

      Jesus Christ is the word made flesh who died for mankinds sins. He is both fully human, and fully devine.

      Is there a world you have picked out to rule?

    • hello morman man

      The native indians along the east coast seem to relate to hebrew roots….but the ones I talk to from out west deny any connections. they have their own spirituality, even though it is similar in many ways.

  26. Hi Marianne,
    This morning as I switched on my computer to check my emails I saw this newsletter and what I saw in it truly amazed me. Take a lOOk

    Strange Aurora Borealis – http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120124.html /

    ~~~~ So while doing a little search on the Cherokee Indians on google, I found your blog link on the American Indians (the Cherokees). http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/yahweh-and-the-american-indians/
    Majority of Americans think that the bald eagle is their national symbol, in fact it is not. Interestingly the symbol is the Phoenix bird. http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1259.cfm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_%28mythology%29

    The metaphysical meaning of the phrase ‘the eagle has landed':

    ~~~~ The term ‘The eagle has landed’ can be attributed to the Hopi, an indigenous tribe of the northern continent of The Americas. It is really a lament expressed in the hope that the rich culture of the Hopi and other tribes would finally be vindicated and accepted by white people and allowed to flourish. The eagle was sacred to the Hopi and other indigenous people. In this sense the meaning is metaphysical.
    ~~~~ The bald eagle is also the national symbol of The United States of America. The words ‘the eagle has landed’ took on new meaning when Apollo II landed on the moon and Neil Armstrong was heard to say them, meaning that the nation of America had finally succeeded in landing on the moon.
    Since then, the words are frequently used by many people to indicate reaching the final goal of any project or endeavour.
    ~~~~ Are the Cherokee Indians linked to the Ancient Hebrews?
    It comes as a surprise to most to learn that many of the founding fathers in America firmly believed that certain groups of American Indians were descendants from the Jews. Out of all the tribes of Indians, there is one tribe that has a very strange? link? that correlates with many of the Jewish customs and feasts and that is the Cherokee Indian.
    ~~~~ While doing a little search on the Cherokee Indians, I found your blog link on the American Indians (the Cherokees). http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/yahweh-and-the-american-indians/
    Majority of Americans think that the bald eagle is their national symbol, in fact it is not. Interestingly the symbol is the Phoenix bird. http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1259.cfm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_%28mythology%29

    BTW great info you have on this site.

  27. (Indian) The Lord’s Prayer, performed by John Denver with hand gestures.

  28. Unlike the Christian religion, American Indians had respect for all living things and not just humanity.

  29. To the yahweh chiefs of the wolf clans. You have allowed Valley Street Jail to obtain your DNA as well as exploit your special Lycan gift. This facility is affiliated with a Colorado Facility as well as one in Texas and there are others. I have in fact seen the phasing as well as the murders they have committed using your gift. What makes matters worse, I have seen you too abuse this gift and times are coming to a change. Your gift will be stripped to those who survive the coming storm. There is no heaven, hell, Jesus, demons, god or devil. Those are organized religions attempting to control the masses. There is a creator neither man nor woman but both as well. This being will be your undoing. My Bio is fiction as I am doing what needs to be done to inform the beings of this world that change is coming. I too am part Abanaki. MORNYNGSTARR.
    mornyngstarr8@yahoo.com

  30. Mornyngstarr

    you said:
    “There is no heaven, hell, Jesus, demons, god or devil. ”

    I would disagree with that. I hope you take a second look at that thought.

  31. Praise YHWH Almighty and His Son Y’shua Ha’Moshiach !!!

  32. This is disgusting to put Yahweh, Jesus, and an excuse of a gospel, greed, theft, rape, and murder along-side something as pure as the Native Americans.

    • dear sun

      Why do you think Yahweh is not pure?

      • Have you read the Laws and requirements of the Old testament? Most of it sounds like it was written by man. This is Yahweh? The creator of the Universe? The creator of mathematics and all the branches of science? And he would concern himself with things so trivial.

        • I speak of things in the book of Exodus. I read the Bible every weekend. And this time, I’m gonna finish what I started. I’m going from cover to cover.

        • yahweh dictated those instructions to Moses, and no, it does not sound like it was written by a man….

          the creator is concerned with mankind and his path of holiness, and yahweh has certain standards he expects man to meet to be acceptable to him.

          it will do you no good to read the bible if you have already decided you are not going to believe any of it.

  33. Hi,

    My name is Sylvia Jean Carey and I have known for many years now, over twenty-five years that the meaning of one’s name is very important to Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh-I am that I am, or Yah as many call our Heavenly Father. I have researched the meaning of my name and thus far to my understanding this is how one can view the meaning of my name. Syl-Seal, v-victorious or five, ia-Ehyeh/Yah. Syl-Seal could also mean sealed by the Father. Syl can also mean together, united, or alike. Sylvia also means from the forest which indicates a place of protection. This could indicate Seal five in Rev also.

    “9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of Yah, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, Father, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”

    I believe we are living during the time of the fifth seal of Rev and soon to enter into the sixth seal. Jean-means a tree, also gift from Yah or Yah is gracious. Jean can also be spelled Gene-as in Genesis/DNA, a tree is what our Messiah died on, and it can also represent the tree of life and/or again DNA. Carey-means from the fortress, our Father’s Kingdom is often referred to as a fortress, Carey can also mean black/dark, I was not born with the name Carey, I married into it and I do not believe I am black/dark, but the message I have may be considered black/dark to those who do not want to hear it.

    Now in the Garden of Eden, Eve mixed her DNA with Lucifer and/or fallen angels because he promised her that her seed would be as God’s. 15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.” Notice this is in the book of Genesis, hence DNA and it is between the women’s seed and Satan’s seed! Also, 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of Yah came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Giants guys, again this is in Genesis-DNA, mixing between humans and fallen angels created giants! And I do not like the idea of calling our Father a dog, so I put Yah or Father.

    This was Lucifer’s way of tampering via DNA with Yah’s creation in order to attempt to be God, which is what he is called in Scripture. Jeremiah 8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. Yah said do not worship false gods and god spelled backwards is dog; have you ever noticed this! Now, Eve also continued in labor which indicates she bare twins, but not identical twins nor did they have the same father. This has been proven to be medically possible and does happen. So, Cain and Abel where twins; Cain was of his father the devil’s seed and Abel was of his father Adam the good seed that the Messiah planted! Why do you think these free masons are so preoccupied with the concept of twins and remember Cain was the builder of the first city, hence the master mason!!

    These people today are of the 13th tribe, they protect their DNA by keeping it in the family so to speak, that is why you find that the ruling class around the world are all related; kissing cousins! The Messiah also said of the Jews in Rev 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Now why is this? Because the ruling class in Is-ra-el are not Jews and as it was said earlier by another; Israel is not the Israel of the end times, it is a creation of man; of his own doing and not sanctioned by the Father. Also DNA has proven these Jews to be khazars of Turkish descent that does not mean they all are, but most certainly the ruling class.

    Now I am white and I am very aware that many of the Native American Indians are of the so called lost tribes and I believe this is also true for some of the Black tribes. There has been so much mixing of the tribes that today one cannot tell by looking at ones skin color whether they are a sheep or a goat. The Messiah said He would separate the sheep from the goats. Why? Because He knows ones heart and we do not! So if you are basing salvation upon ones skin color you need to do a whole lot more study and research! And if you are resentful or hateful toward the Indians, the Africans, the Asians, or the Hispanics then you are not loving your neighbor as yourselves!

    Our Father said who-so-ever will. That is, who so-ever-will follow his commandments and His ways. It does not matter what color your skin is, what matters is what is in your heart and whether you do the will of the Father or the will of Satan! That is why the Father said vengeance is mine! He is the only one who knows which ones are evil and which ones are not.

    Those such as the Africans/American blacks and others around the world, as well as the American Indians and those around the world including the Hispanics and others, lost their rights to the land because they started worshipping false gods. They will not restore their rights to the land on their own, but this will be restored to them that are faithful and true when the Messiah returns and not before! If they are still worshipping false gods when He returns then they would be included among the tares-that is the bad seed or Satan’s seed and they would be gathered to be burned. This includes all colors; white, black, brown, and yellow.

    Now I said before that I am white. I have dream visions and have for almost thirty years. We are living in the end of days and unless there is an extreme change of attitudes, actions, and behaviors then be ready for some severe judgment, and that is for all colors. So when they attempt to get you to alter your DNA again, don’t do it! The ruling class and the dominant church will deceive many promising eternal life if you do it. This is an abomi-nation!! They are already starting to say that we are evolving to a new level of consciousness and trying to tell people how to activate their pineal gland. Beware.

    So what is the mark of the beast? Worshipping false gods/idols, such as a picture/image of a white/black or any other image of the Messiah. Or worshipping false gods/idols of wood-crosses included/angels with wings, etc, and stone, gold or silver-money. Also, receiving his mark such as being marked on the forehead or on your right hand with black ashes on Ash Wednesday, most importantly the mark in the forehead is what is in your mind-your beliefs and the mark on the right hand is what you do-hence who you work for; the Father or Satan. Note: the Messiah is sitting at the right hand of the Father, why? Because they are of like mind and He does the will of the Father! Hence the mark in the forehead and in the right hand. May you be blessed.

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  36. Man I not tryting to be funny you guys Abigail and u need to go back to school Iam a expert almost in world history I love history and study it alot . I am open to ideas but not when I know they are wrong. Native americans were not descendents of Jews fact. Nor was Jews descendents from natives. Natives came from Mongolia and they look like those people. Natives are closer to cambodians in appearance than Jews. In so far as for your Yaweh theory maybe god did show up but to me thats too close to that foul mormon doctrine. And I know what u guys want to say and want to say and going to bring some hoccus pocus evidence but look up natives and there u will find no Jew descent in their blood. And not omly that but u said Jews were white looking and people and caucasian so how are the native descending from them come guys lets get back into reality.

    tmac said this on December 30, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    This guy is a complete idiot first off. Secondly, Jews are white, this is true, but that is only modern Jews. Ancient Israelites were a darker skinned, brownish/reddish skinned people. There is evidence of this on the walls of ancient Egypt from 3,000+ years in our past. Ancient Hebrews and Native Americans have more than just looks in common, they also have Religion in common! The belief in one god! YHVH! Music as well! Almost every ancient Algonquin song was started with the name of the most high. Get a real education you foul mouthed, fool. (tmac or whatever your name is)

    OJIBWE Ogitchiidaa!!

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