You cannot have both Muhammad and Jesus
The hardest thing one can do, I think, is to give up, and turn away from, everything you have ever believed in. It tears at the spirit, but it can also be a healing experience. Acknowledged is the respect Islam has for Jesus. But Muslims have to search their souls, and seek only God, not man, for the truth. Muhammad’s teachings are so opposite those of Jesus, that there is no way to follow both, in one religion.
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Also, do you want peace, or war? Do you want truth, or lies?
You cannot have peace, when the world is full of lies. So, seek the truth, and find the peace.
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Sometimes a Picture Really is Worth a Thousand Words.
This is a graphic presentation, contrasting the teachings of Muhammad and those of Jesus. The content will look familiar to most people, but it is time to make a decision, while one still can. It is not time to complain, or defend personal or group views, but to seek what God wants. The end times are here, and both Muslims and Christians, as well as the rest of the world, can even sense the future is not good. Destruction and war is ahead.
I am not implying that “ALL Muslims are alike,” but pointing out what their Quran teaches, even if they do not follow these teachings. But ALL Muslims are human, and do want to be happy and secure.
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Sincere intent behind the presentation.
I love the Muslims. I want to help them.
Many people in this world are actually seeking God and his truth, and they will find it. A gentle message will be sufficient. Others will not find God, unless a disaster happens, or a strong message is sent. I try to balance messages, so that there are some of both, because I care about people, even if they hate me, or want me dead.
I love people. I do not want anyone to be destroyed by the wrath of God in the future. I seek revelation for them, to help them avoid the pain and destruction.
The evil spirit of offense is already out there, to create chaos, war, and destroy everyone. I am not the source of it, but I am pointing it out.
The purpose of this, or any post of mine, is to stimulate people to think. There are many in danger of being destroyed, if they do not wake up.
Do I remain silent, when people could be helped? Do I ignore what is happening in the world? Do I turn a blind eye, or say something? I want everyone to seek God, not man, and find out his will for them and this earth. God does not want anyone to perish.
We all have to evaluate what we have been taught, in whatever religion we may have been raised in, and find God’s real truth, and reject the errors. It will break mental and spiritual bondage if we do.
I have had to do this, so I am sympathetic toward others who must also do this.
The videos
It is not a time to justify personal positions, and get caught up in doctrinal differences. It is time, instead, to cling to God, seek His holy will, and turn our backs on everything negative and evil.
We will have to face God someday soon, who will judge us on our choice. Our religious leaders will not be there to defend us. We will be on our own. We will either suffer, or rejoice, for our decisions.
What is really in our hearts right now? Are we willing to make painful decisions, and do what is right? Every religion has to make this decision, and they cannot wait any longer.
Here are the video presentations
There are 2 videos – Part I and Part II
What will be your decision?:
Videos here (PowerPoint presentations)
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Thoughts:
The Bible says you reap what you sow.
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If we sow love, we reap love.
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If we hurt others, we will be hurt.
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If we show mercy, we will receive mercy.
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If we work for peace, then we will avoid war.
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If we allow violence, we will be given violence, and not peace.
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If we allow innocent people to be harmed, and do nothing to protect them, then we will experience harm.
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If we rebel against God, He will reject us.
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If we obey Him, we will have his protection.
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If we create terror and death, we will be destroyed.
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Who will be your God/god, and what does he stand for?
What is your decision? Who will guide you – Muhammed or Jesus? You cannot have both.
I ask all Christians, everywhere, to pray for the Muslims. Their souls are in our hands. Will we abandon those who really want the peace and love of God?
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You cannot have both Muhammad and Jesus « Heaven Awaits said this on September 13, 2008 at 6:37 pm |
The torture, maiming, enslaving of women, and killing of human beings in the name of a religion doesn’t even make sense to a rational human being, yet the followers of the Muslim religion not only commit these crimes against humanity, but they do so with impunity. Jesus not only forgave those who killed him, but provides his boundless grace to provide a way for man who is sinful, a way to get to heaven despite his sins. Yet there are 2 billion followers of Islam that need to be given the gospel of Jesus Christ so that they can make a choice. There is no other way to get to heaven unless it is through Jesus. I feel sorry for those who reject Jesus to continue to kill in the name of their religion. Death, and the torments of hell await anyone who rejects Jesus’ offer of salvation. We live in evil times and Jesus is about to return to judge the nations someday soon. May all Muslims turn their hearts to Jesus, for there is no other God who can provide salvation for man except for HIM, Jesus Christ.
Since when did Muslims ever slaughter, kill or rape?
Those that do are not Muslims
Afsar,
This negative activity does go on. We get reports about every 2 weeks from persecuted people. There are videos on the internet with this material as well. I also understand that this activity does not represent all Muslims.
Hi JRA
Thank you for the reinforcing comments.
blessings
marianne
Thank you for inciting hatred?
Just what I’d expect from a Typical Jewish Zionist
Thanks for your work!
Islam is the very curse [as in Genesis] as it spills over the world for subjugation. Europe is already in the process of Islamization.
In them I find the only candidate to satisfy all the description of the False Prophet from the Book of Daniel to Book of Revelation.
Life is, I’m afraid, but a means for them to eat and dispose for their power and pride.
What would be horror beyond horror than Islamic conquest of the world. 9/11 is a kid’s play thing for them. I would prefer tsunami; pandemic would be much more merciful relief. Yeah, they chant ‘the merciful One’; merciful only for those become subjugated to their power.
You know what surprises me about Christians?
You think you know everything, have you ever stopped and though, WHAT IF?
WHAT IF THE BIBLE IS A LIE?
WHAT IF HAS BEEN ALTERED?
Thats what you tell Muslims to do isnt it?
Hey, Muslims #1, what if?
Hey, Muslims #2, what if?
So hypocritical, get over yourselves
Thank you Oun,
The battle is in the mind, not the world. If we can change someone’s mind, we can help change their behavior, and eternal destiny.
blessings
marianne
Oh, but I think the battle for Christians and Jews is only in the world
IRAQ, OIL, MONEY, POWER, LEBANON, AFGHANISTAN, SYRIA, IRAN, PALESTINE, I can go on forever, literally
Back to 2000 B.H when the Zionists cut one of our prophets in half with a saw
For Muslims, the battle is only ever spiritually, that is true jihad, fighting Sha’taan, or “Satan” as the Jews and Christians copied it
Afsar,
The only true life is the spiritual one. Avoiding sin is what Jesus taught.
IN every culture, including yours, we have examples of sinful people rejecting the commandments, and peace, of God.
Wake up, Church! Antichrist is already here….so quit waiting for “him”, because he’s a “them”!!! And did any other nation get ‘raptured out’ before they were massacred or enslaved by ‘Allah’? I do not think so…….We Americans think we are too special for tribulation. But just wait a minute, it will come here, I am sad to say.
My friend Jim. It isn’t a matter of “we Americans think we are too special for tribulation”. It is a matter of who chooses Jesus as their Lord and Savior who will not go through the tribulation. If you think things are bad now, wait until you find yourself in the tribulation. All the evil taking place in this sinful world right now doesn’t come close to when the Antichrist himself is here. It is possible that he is here now, but the tribulation is yet to come. Jesus did not say in Revelation 3:10 that He would keep “we Americans” from the tribulation. He said it to those who believe in Him that He would keep “you” (Believers in HIM) from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on earth. That’s just one reference to the Church not being here during the tribulation. There are several more. My point is, if things are this demented in our world today, it is almost too much for the human mind to conceive of what the Antichrist will do to those who are left behind to experience the horrors of the tribulation. Be ready, my friend. It is later than you think. Written in Christian love. JR
Hi Jim and JRA
I am grateful to see such passionate commitment from both of you.
My thoughts:
According to Jesus, all true believers will experience tribulation. How this is defined will be unique for each person and time period. 100 years ago, or 1000 years ago, or 2000 years ago, there was tribulation for true believers.
What we are in now, seems to have a finality about it. Those who “pass their testing” and demonstrate their faith under fire (which could be a lifetime of suffering, or a shorter period of intense suffering) should not have to go through a greater tribulation again.
Those who have failed still need to pass their test of faith, and go through the future testing. It will be a global event, and all those living will be included.
That is just how I see it. Thanks for your remarks and contributions
blessings
marianne
We have as a nation committed every error on the list. And have not done everything God has encouraged us to do. We have slain 2 million of people for whom Jesus died also. We have created terror and death upon innocent civilians. Elderly, children, women. Yes. We are beginning to reap and shall reap what we have sown.
cassandra
Hi Cassandra,
It is good to hear from you. Can you explain more where your data comes from? like What countries or certain wars? Thanks.
The USA is obviously not totally innocent of evil things. But I can see other countries just as active, or more active in this evil.
blessings
marianne
None “more active” let me assure you.
Hi Cassandra,
Yes, we have done evil in the sight of God. No one is without sin, but even the “best person” in the world who doesn’t know the Gospel of Jesus Christ is just as lost as the most evil person in the world. God created man in his own image, but he fell into sin in the Garden of Eden, and there is only one way to receive redemption and get to Heaven, and that is through Jesus’ blood that was shed for us. By His blood he offers us forgiveness and the right to be with Him in eternity. He gives us that choice. It is up to each and everyone of us to make that decision. JR
Islam is truly a religion of peace however there can be no peace until all have submitted to Islam.
Jim where does it say He keeps us from the hour of trial? Book chapter and verse please. I have in my bible several refrerence to trials but it is not something we get to avoid but rather we should rejoice when suffering from it.
1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
There is tribulation which as scripture and history has shown is ‘persecution’ of the saints for there belief in Christ. That is also the trials you will face for His sake.
Wrath however is only a day and starts when the sixth seal is opened. Said too quite specifically something of which the saints are NOT appointed unto.
Better get ready, learn His promises hold on to them in your hearts, learn to encourage one another. Hope for the best prepare for the worst. You will be there Jim
In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most beneficient. I have never heard a Christian or a Jew ever say this:
“Islam is truly a religion of peace”
You have hit the nail on the head David
Or Daw’ood, as Muslims call him
It is true America deserves a lot of wrath. Homosexual marriage, abortion, abuse of children, love of money…However, all those who believe Christ died for all human sin will be seen by G-d as clean from sin.
Those who follow Mohamed, who enjoyed murder, and rape will not have Christ as their protector at judgement day. Those who are innocent, Christ will have mercy on those whom he will have mercy.
Islam is nothing more than another Satanic religion. It just has more followers.
Religion of peace, it is not.
Look at how poor, filthy and disgusting Pakistan is, yet they even, do not allow Homosexual marriage, stone them to death.
This is how bad USA is, there will be changes in Pakistan, wait another 5 years, they will unite with the Middle East and become a world superpower
Hi Afsar,
I do not consider Pakistan filthy and disgusting. I have friends there, and would never view them this way. They want to be happy, just like everyone else.
They have problems to overcome, but what they want are opportunities to overcome these problems, and have a good life.
hi Leatherneck,
Right now, many aspects of society in every country is following the same negative path….
religion will not save them….only Jesus will.
thanks and blessings
marianne
You know you enjoy answering me more than Leatherneck, after all, he is only a false ambassador
Yes, Afsar,
You are always welcome here. Much doctrine in Islam is based on refuting confusing doctrine by the early Catholic church. I try hard on this site to show what the orginal truth was, as taught by Jesus.
You are correct Leatherneck, What I worte only reflects their way of thinking. They believe it is their duty to spread as they say, ‘the only true religion’ to all nations. There can be no peace until all have submitted to Islam only tells me they will go to great lengths to further their cause.
A true muslim may take your head should you confess the Lord Jesus. It is for them the greatest of blasphemies to confess His Sonship, cruxifiction, and resurection. It will be your fiery trial, that is what it means when the saints shall be given into his hand, you will be facing tribualtion when you are persecuted for standing on that solid Rock.
Cheers David. Do you know what Leatherneck means? I am a sheep dog, and my teeth are long and sharp.
USMC Platoon Sgt.
Semper Fi! Leatherneck and God bless.
I’m a retired chief boatswains mate, hooligans navy 1980-2004 Semper Paratus!
Oh one more thing let us not forget to pray for the house of Ishmael (God hears) and love them as Christ loves them. That they too may know Yeshua the Son of God and be saved.
hi david,
I agree. Let us all pray. It is awful to think there are about 2 billion Muslims that do not know who Jesus really is. That many people are our burden, and responsibility in these final days.
blessings
marianne
I do not have any problem with praying for peace, and I liked the Navy folks I worked around. But make no mistake, those who follow the true example of Mohamed will cut your head off, and rape your wife.
The State Department continues to allow the religion of peace into this country. I believe to help change the culture. Notice all the court cases as Islam speads. The New World Order has to get our culture changed to a point of conflict.
It’s working. Throw in illegal aliens who do not want to be American, drive drunk, murdering Americans, anchor babies, MS-13 drug dealing, jail costs, and free healthcare. Well, you got yourself a huge problem that will change American culture to no culture at all. Just like Europe.
Put me in charge before it is to late.
Hey leatherneck
write in your name and I will vote for you. Maybe what we need is a “protest group.” all the negative people give their opinions. we should too.
blessings
marianne
Islam will bring only good, and whatever is going to happen will happen
See you all in another life
Afsar,
Islam will not give you salvation. It’s not a question if something is good because the Lord say’s, Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Afsar,
Here’s the only solution you have, God states, Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Haha Brian, guess what?
I believe that Jesus (Isa; Peace be upon him), is a very respectable human, and something that I can never be, and I believe that god WILL raise him from the dead, and I don’t know if I’ll be saved, but I know that you won’t
Afsar,
Jesus was raised from the dead. Did Muhammed rise from the dead? Jesus died on the cross for our sins for he shed his blood to save us all. Did Muhammed do that for anyone? You may not see it now but I pray that you someday experience the love of God, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Islam is a false religion. All false religions are from Lucifer. Mohamed enjoyed murder, just like Lucifer.
Marianne;
A video on this subject for those who visit this web site:
Like all other other Prophets Jesus (Isa) is a Chosen Slava of Alah:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0a0_1187716974
Shalom;
Kittii
Hi Kitti
Thank for planting “seeds” of information on my different pages. Jesus, of course, is not a slave, but the son of God. I would recommend however, to present a video that shows the error in Muslim thinking, rather than a straight Muslim teaching without correction.
But it helps for people to understand what Muslim theology teaches, even if it is wrong (like they do not believe that Jesus was crucified – which means we are not saved through the atonement of his death). Some of what they say is true, since some is borrowed from the bible.
We also have to recognize that Muslims sincerely believe what the quran teaches, so we have to consider this in witnessing to them.
Marianne, I understand your thoughts on your religion, and I can understand everything you are trying to say
But you don’t know Islam
Have you ever sat amongst Muslims?
Yes, you claim there are 2,000,000,000 Muslims on Earth, but what if I told you there isn’t, what if I told you there is only 100,000 or so true Muslims, and I have sat in the company of these Muslims, and these are true Muslims, they havent told me this, I know it
Nothing anyone in any religion can say, do, act, manipulate, or even torture me to think otherwise
If a person was to follow the examples of Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him), then he is a true Muslim, and just by his actions, he can convert the entire world to Islam
All I ever hear christians ever say is, “in a perfect world…”
A true Muslims perfect world is following the examples of Muhammad (Peace be upon him), no music, no television, no violence, no hatred, just one connection, the connection between them and Allah (SWT)
If I were to confess, I’d say that I have never experienced this feeling, but just by listening to the stories of people that have, I know that Islam is the true religion
So, Marianne, take on board what I’ve just said before summing up someone elses religion, and as for all of Leathernecks responses
You might not be intelligent enough to work this out Leatherneck, but I’m sure Marianne will, why don’t you stop acting as though your an ambassador of your religion?
Hi Afsar + others
I have knows Muslims who were peaceful. My computer technician is one, who maintains my computer. I went to graduate school with some Muslims as well. We were fine together.
What people are doing here is one group is reacting to negative behavior in the other group. But both groups have had negative histories as well.
The past is over. What isolated people do in certain areas may or may not represent that group.
People need to focus on their own behavior, and show they have peace and love in their hearts.
If you want to discuss specific doctrine, that might clear up some misunderstandings.
I realize the truth hurts Afsar. In a correct history book you will fine Mohamed murdered, and raped. You can not get away from that dude.
That is who you follow. Prove history wrong Afsar.
Over.
There is only a few true history books, you know what they are called?
The Hadith
I don’t believe in anything else, as it was composed by Zionists themselves
Mr Ambassador, only you and I know the only reason your posting on this website is to have a laugh, your petty comments prove that
Dear Afsar,
Where was the outrage from the Muslims after the Mumbai massacre? This is not history. This is current events.
Mohamed imprisoned the Qurayza in Medina, and had their heads cut off. 600-700 men murdered by your false apostle.
How many examples would you like?
In Islam, these are the laws on a prisoner:
If you decide to imprison somebody, you must first pass through all the Sharia laws, once all the laws have been passed and there is no other alternative, and the convict is a danger to himself or to other people, he must be imprisoned
When imprisoned, the person looking after him must feed him, before he feeds himself
He must pay more attention the prisoner, more than he pays attention to his own family
So many prisoners in Saudi Arabia have become muslim, after seeing there (muslims) humbleness and simple way of life
Do you want examples now Mr Ambassador?
Heard of the BBC Reporter who became muslim after she was imprisoned?
Who went on to publish books and speeches on Islam?
Has the BBC even called her name after she became muslim?
Heard of Brian Lara becoming muslim?
Need more examples?
Theres one difference between the examples I give, and the examples you give, mine are reality, yours is/were false
According to the Quran, beheading is the best way. Yes, that has made quite an impression around the world. Remember, the muslims put out their own videos to brag about doing this. Everyone has seen them.
Lol,
People turn to false religions every day Scene, that does not make what Mohamed did false. I am confident the Jews that got their head cut off for not worshiping a false moon god would like to answer your statement.
You moon god worshipers can call me names all you want. Sticks, and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
Good luck, and please don’t cut my head off.
Marianne;
When I submitted that video on the Muslim teaching about Jesus; you said it would be better to submitt a video that shows the error in Muslim thinking. Unfortunately, I don’t think they make enough of those kinds of videos. Maybe that’s awake up call. Let me put out the video again, since probably a lot of the bloggers missed it and it gives others a chance to comment. I will comment. You can’t have both Jesus and Muhommand because Jesus is not a prophet. He said in John 14:6 I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through me. Muslims teach Christ was not crucifed. In I Corinthians 1:23 it says: but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness. II Corinthians 15:20-26 but now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first frits of those who are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at his coming. then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
Here’s the video: Jesus will Return (at least we agree he will return, that’s a start)
Kittii
well for over a billion of people today would not know and believe in Jesus to be the real Christ, a fatherless boy born to a Virgin Chaste Mother named Marry as the Messiah, they got to know Jesus through Muhammad thus having both Jesus and Muhammad together the same time, there fore the notion of not being able to have them both is therefore practically proven false in the light of prevailing facts!
In fact Jesus and Muhammad both are of the same view on Usury, homosexuality, capitalism, monopoly, women wearing hijab(nuns r proof), eye for an eye, and most of all gold being the Great Seal Being seal instead of the so called modern great seal which is a mark of the beast(usury) $$$ according to Biblical traditions on antichrist but one eye being the sign from Muhammad itself concludes the very same that paper currency especially dollar in itself is the mark without which no sale or purchase is possible in world today from domestic Amercian affairs to International economic trade. The very fact is that in 1970′s dollar peg’s Gold as world reserves, thereby mark of beast replaces the divine great seal(gold) and we enter an age of economic blasphemy and a trick to hoard up real money from hands of common people, where it belongs by divine law of equality and justice!
i find our times very exciting, for this time there is not one single Christian group standing up for the values preached by Jesus nor is witnessed fighting those who blaspheme the name of GOD by potraying a messiah to be a woman as miss liberty while Jesus was no miss, and his book was no joke to be easily mocked at by the constitution and replaced by others as law! Despite the fact Christians claim to be only who believe in Jesus and his second comming, only people we can witness to be on that welcome trail are Muslims! The good being called evil and the evil being branded good just as it was to take place before the second coming!
anyways my fair personal deep view on subject shows that God is known through His Laws in nature and around us, since there is only A1GOD, therefore there can only be A1Law, word A1Lah needs to be seen in reality through grammer of the language. Be it moon Sun, planets, galaxy’s, hurricanes, typhoons or each and single of the snail shell designs, the r18ht hand of A1GOD is clearly visible through the only orbital rotation’s existence on each North pole, something displayed each year during Hajj by orbiting of Kaba in Makkah by Muslims, but sadly yet to be understood in light of modern advances of science that interpret the signs!
You want peace? there is only one way to achieve it, A1Law for all, UNlaw is a complete deception in name of peace! I suggest Muslim and Christians unite economically, expect Muslims to shift there reserves to Euro for it has no graven images, a thing vital to adhere to both according to Christian and Muslim faiths, and to some how return to the Real Great Seal, the bullion asap.
This action surely seems to destroy non Christians and non Muslims altogether economically, but also prove a great strength for the American people and their states to chose by free will against the usuristic clutches of Jewish owned economic system and currency named dollar, the one eyed $$$! Where $ represents divine mark of 18, an add up of 666, to be found on each human hand in Aramiac, Arabic digits as a divine sign, displaying the writ of right hand universally in nature’s clock, and something that matches the rotation we use to open each and every corked bottle with it!
ha le lu eiya, or la elaha il Allah, ever notice how similar they both sound? yet they all mean the same too, no God but A1GOD, no law but A1Law! ONe who submits to A1LAW of A1GOD/A1Lah makes Peace and is thus a Peace-maker(Muslim)just as do not only the moon but all the stars planets galaxies and thus keeping the peace! Our refusal to that will only turn into a wrath be sought by our own hands and actions where we stand alone in opposition to the whole universe itself, a absolute loss, lest we repent and let repent!
dear i-Ahmed
salaam alekum
I do acknowledge what the Muslims believe about Jesus. I appreciate the respect they give him.
My point was that the beliefs of Christianity and Islam are different about who Jesus is.
Christianity sees Jesus as the Messiah, son of God, and son of man.
Islam sees Jesus as only a prophet, and only a man.
The problem is that traditional Christianity has done a poor job of explaining what is meant by the expression “son of God.” and this has caused doctrinal confusion. There are not 2 gods, or 3 gods.
I go by what the original bible says, and not what the Catholic church teaches.
Jesus was a spirit who was in heaven before he came to earth to be born. He was called the Angel of the Lord, and appeared many times in the Old Testament. This includes a visit to Abraham and Moses at the burning bush.
Because God was his creator and Father, he is called the son of God……All the angels were called “sons of god” in Genesis.
In the bible, the first man Adam was also called the son of God, because he had no earthly father…only God was his Father.
In the same way, Jesus had no earthly father, and so his father is God.
I think you have a good idea that people should work together in peace. But we also need to have our individual right to believe as we choose preserved. No one religion should “conquer” the other one. It is up to God to reveal himself to each person and help them believe who he is.
If people can just be in peace, then Jesus will solve the differences in personal beliefs when he comes. He will explain everything we need to know.
marianne,
Muslims beleive that Jesus was a “philosopher”, “decent person” and “good preacher”…this kind of “respect” strips the world of its Saviour and LORD, by “lukewarming” God’s plan for salvation; It makes it worse than devil-worshippers (who actually know who Jesus is) or those who deny Him;
Dear Marianne, wa alekum al Salaam and thanks for your reply.
I like to answer or rather comment on few things you brought up.
First of all view of Islam is not an Islamic view when it contradicts with Quran and same stands for the View of Christianity when contradicts Bible. Quran and Bible are the only proofs we have to authenticate why we the Muslims, Christians and Jews say that there is only A1GOD, our personal or traditional views need not to be allowed to replacxe the significance of the the HOly Books, that includes Torah itself too.
Your said views of Christianity and Islam are different, i dont know what proof you have about that claim from the Holy Books, or perhaps you need to know about all three books before we call their teachings different from eachother. Here is my proof, Jesus is called as ROOH(spirit) of A1-lah(A1GOD) by God himself in Quran, it is not correct to divide the believers in one and same God based on this claim that Islam does not teach us same as Christianity when it comes to Jesus not only being just a man, but a man powered or assisted by Spirit of GOD too plus that he was no ordinary man, but a Messiah as well. I dont know where you got the notion of Islam not recognising Jesus as Messiah, Islam did not come and say Muhammad is Messiah, we are rather taught by Muhammad through word of GOD that Jesus is Messiah.
If Muhammad was not true Messenger and the Comforter promised to come according to Jesus after him, there is no way that he would have taught us about Jesus what false Prophets would claim for them selves. The Title of Messiah remains with Jesus and is not a title of Muhammad, something that should suffice remove many doubts and misconceptions carved up by trouble makers against the comforter sent to re affirm that Jesus is the Messiah and will return surely.
Only a false Prophet can claim to take the title of Messiah for himself when it only belongs to Jesus, dont ignore this great fact that Muhammad not only informed us of a Messiah and turned us from idolatory to believing in A1GOD, but despite having been accepted as Prophet from A1GOD by whole of Arabia, he never claimed the title of Messiah nor did miss quote name and characteristics of the one who owns the title, Jesus son of Marry born without a Father like Adam but Fathered by A1GOD who fathered them as well just as He father’s us all, yet remains one and is undivide able, the word sustainer is more worthy when applied to GOD than father, and removes confusions caused!
Its matter of translation error, or imperfection. For example GOD is the King of Kings, dont make kings sons of GOd, simply put, GOD is not father to any one nor has one, likewise has no father but father’s(provides) for all!
Like Adam Jesus is just a man, different from us all rest based on lack of genetic father, but Adam is even higher in that difference for he was not born of a womb either like did Jesus, if Adam is not Son of GOD and just a man, than how come son of man(son of Adam) be called so?
Original text and language of Bible is not English, because Jesus did not speak English. If u translate the only first person speech directly from Jesus about his being son of any one, we only find ‘SON OF MAN’! Son of GOD reference we find is not first person speech but rather some second or third person narrating his view and words.
NO where in Bible Jesus refers to himself as SON of GOD but Rather SON OF MAN only! in his langauage it means bani-Adam(son of Adam)!
Bible and Quran dont conntradict about Jesus being Messiah and a child born without a father to a Saint Lady who was a born and raised NUN who wore Hijab and no man ever touched her and both bible and Quran clearly state that Jesus and Adam are like father like son story! neither had a father, yet Adam was born without a mother too, it in itself is enough to provide a food for thought that our own personal views and misunderstanding have dragged us far away from the reality still available in both Quran and Bible to be compared and found accurate on this matter and that there is no contradiction about it.
Its about who’s word u take more seriously, Bible, whe it says God is not man? when Jesus is repeatedly affirming and confirming same by calling himself Son of MAN and never Son of GOD, available to be looked up even in present day all versions of Bible! Grammer has alot to do with translating a language from one to another. Without its proper use, meanings can be distorted mistakenly in just one stroke of pen.
Quran is present and includes all the teachings of Torah and Bible which both sadly are no longer available to check the modern day translated versions, but if it was not for Quran’s original text and language preserved miraculously dot for dot for over 1400 years has been a great divine help in understanding true meanings of divine words used in it. Langauge of Quran is the closest kin to the langague of English translation of Bible.
Present day Bible is collection of words of GOD, Prophet Jesus, his helpers and others who caught the word from others about Jesus. Original pure word of GOD is not available in seperate book as is so in the case of Quran for last 1400 years. Words of Prophet Muhammad are recorded through his followers in seperate books and kept aside from Word of The-GOD!
A priest is called Father, by no means he becomes father of any but rather father’S our spirituality by providing us with guidance on the matter. like wise the word Rabbi (suatainer)is applied in Judaism for a priest, but Islam out of respect neither use word father for GOD since sutainer is more appropriate word for GOD who father’s us all nor the word ‘Rabbi’(sustainer) is used for a priest in Islam keeping it exclusively for A1GOD who father’s(sustains) all but is in no need of any to sustain H1m!
hope to continue a talk on this again next time. Glad to be able to share!
Dear i-Ahmed
salaam alekum
Maybe this will clarify my views. I will give reasons. I will not seem like the “typical Christian” with my answers.
Some quick points:
1. the bible is correctly translated. The problem is how people interpret it….they can put meanings there, that were not intended…and then listeners think the original text contained those errors…..I hear people frequently misinterpret and misquote the bible.
2. When Jesus said he would go to the Father so that the Comforter could come, he also told his followers to go to a special location and wait for the Comforter. Logically, they could not wait over 500 years for Muhammed to come, because they would all be dead by then.
The Comforter that came was the Holy Spirit of God, which flooded the room with holy fire, and the people began to speak in other tongues (languages). This ability was to help them spread the good news of Jesus to other countries that had these languages.
3. There are direct quotes from the bible in which
a. the Father God declares Jesus as his son at the baptism of Jesus by John
b. the devil calls Jesus the son of God.
c. the disciples call jesus the son of God, and he accepts this title.
d. the priests who questioned Jesus were angry, saying he claimed he was the son of God
e. Jesus refers to himself as the son of God in a prayer to the Father God before he raises Lazarus from the dead.
f. Jesus shocked and angered the leaders when he said..
“Before Abraham was, I AM.”
This indicated that he existed from before the time of Abraham, meaning he had some kind of divine quality….which they were not prepared to hear
this is explained further, with proofs in this document:
jesus-as-sog-4-internet-version.pdf
The key to understanding this whole issue is
what did it mean? What does Son of God mean?
The question should never have been how many Gods there are, because even Jesus said there was only one God.
Jesus, nor anyone else, never said he was God, to be part of a set of 3 gods. He said he was “son of God,” so what did this mean? The definition of “son of God” is the problem.
Remember, Jesus always taught on the spiritual level, and only used physical examples to illustrate his points.
The correct position, from my perspective, is that Jesus pre-existed in heaven before he incarnated physically as a human on earth.
This gave him divine qualities, as a heavenly being. All the angels and other heavenly beings were all considered to be “sons of God.” and this is mentioned in the Old Testament.
I also believe that Jesus proved himself to be superior to the others in heaven, and that he had a spiritual relationship in heaven with the Father God as a real “spirit son.” This was a special bond of love and devotion.
When he came to earth as a human, this relationship continued, and was the reason he was so empowered by God to do miracles, including raising people from the dead. This empowerment, and loving father-son relationship with God, made him the Messiah. He could explain the Father God better than anyone else in history, because he had an intimate spiritual relationship with his Father God.
This is also the reason he is so empowered that he will be able to return to earth in a second time, to finish his work, and defeat the evil one.
See other related links as well:
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/can-people-%E2%80%9Csee%E2%80%9D-you/
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/did-jesus-fulfill-the-jewish-scriptures-for-messiah/
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/face-to-face-with-god/
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/jesus-%E2%80%93-before-and-after-earth/
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/why-did-jesus-have-to-die/
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/which-word-is-which/
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/why-jews-reject-jesus%E2%80%A6unfulfilled-prophesies/
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Ahmed,
Hi hope you are well.
There are people who follow Jesus. I am sure you have not made an exhaustive search. Does not the Bible says “Wide and broad is the way to damnation and many walk down it and straight and narrow is the way to salvation and few find it.”
Muhamad is not a prophet sanctioned by God. Your Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible is it?
Love,
John
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This Week’s Guest
Brigitte Gabriel
June 2-8, 2008
Brigitte Gabriel lost her childhood to militant Islam, when militant Muslims from throughout the Middle East poured into Lebanon and declared jihad against the Lebanese Christians. Now she is exposing the radical Islamic strategy to dominate the United States.
Christians point to Jesus and Jesus Christ leads you to the Father. When will Christians be ready? Abba said ‘Bring the Christians to me’. However, that takes a willingness on behalf of the Christians.
? What are you writing about? When will Christians be ready makes no sense.
Ready for what? Calling a spade, a spade?
Eliakim;
Please go over and read what I wrote to Mahmoud on
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/jewish-return-to-israel-in-end-times/
Dr. Reagan did a chapter on “Arabs in Prophecy”
The Bible has blessings for the Arabs too. We are all in his plan. I want to see things through Biblical eyes not geo-political eyes.
I’m not a big Brigitte Gabriel fan. She was featured at Calvary Chapel’s Challenge of Change Conference. So was Glen Beck a Mormon. I attend a Calvary Chapel.
I prefer Wafa Sultan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_Sultan
I think we can find criticism on just about anyone if we want to.
Those who follow Muhammad murdered a Jewish family. The youngest child was three months. Hamas then had a party passing out candy.
Classic moon god worship. Known has the false god Allah, or the false god Sin.
GOD GAVE US OPPORTUNITY
BUT INSTEAD OF EXTERMINATING DEVILS AFTER 9/11
WE EMBRACED “TOLERANCE”
WE HAD OUR CHANCE
WE HAD OUR CHANCE TO CLEANSE AMERICA
WE HAD OUR CHANCE TO ELECT SARAH PALIN
NOW IT IS TOO LATE
YOU CANNOT HAVE MUHAMMAN AND JESUS
YOU CANNOT HAVE DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN
YOU CANNOT HAVE BLACKS AND WHITE
YOU CANNOT HAVE OBAMA AND SALVATION
YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE AMERICA
informed rational freedom loving people have all the reasons in the world to fear islam…
the twin fogs of political correctness & ignorance must be dispersed before western society better understands this menace. even a brief review of islamic theology & history quickly exposes the deadly roots of this evil ideology….
Mohamhead was a 7th century murdering warlord who rose to power on a river of blood surrounded by thugs and gangsters using intimidation, violence, deception and trickery to expand their criminal empire while mercilessly suppressing and killing their opponents and enriching themselves on stolen booty.
The evil koran is a collection of sayings and speeches by this diabolical madman claiming divine guidance from some mythical sky-god which has inspired generations of crazed fanatics to abhorrent behavior resulting in historys worst ever crimes against humanity starting 1400 years ago and still continuing even today.
Islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms.
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