“Seed Time and Harvest” – False doctrine of money

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First, some scriptures


Mark 4:14-20
The sower sows the
Word of God…and these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, satan comes immediately, and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts….and these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness….and have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution arises because of the word that was sown, immediately they are offended….and these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word….and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful….and these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirty fold, some sixty, and some an hundred.

**Here it is clear that the seed is the Word of God, not money.

Galatians 6:7-9
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap….for he that sows to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting (absolute life, the anointing, power of the Holy Spirit)….let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not (if we stay constant, and don’t quit).

**This is a spiritual kingdom, so sowing spiritually is not sowing money, because that is of the material world.

Matthew 13:24,25
The Kingdom of Heaven is like when a man which sowed good seed in his field….and his enemy comes later to sow bad seed in with the good.

*** The devil will help you sow the wrong way, so you loose everything. Is that what you want?

2 Corinthians 9:9-12
It is written, He hath dispersed abroad; He hath given to the poor: His righteousness remains for ever….now He that ministers seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness….being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causes through us thanksgiving to God….for the administration of this service not only supplies the want of the Saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God.

 

 

** again, ministering seed to the sower does NOT mean funding multi-million dollar mansions, Armani suits, and Mercedes benzes. “Seed,” again, is the word of God, not money. Even ministers have to be fed the word, which is every believers duty, to encourage and assist one another. We are all ministers…..!!!!! Here, if one reads both chapter 8 and 9 in context, we can see that this text is to request help for needy saints in a different location. Hence, the mention of “bread.” The idea is to help the others with basic necessities such as food, so they could continue to sow the word of God. The idea was that all would equally share what they had with one another. It was NOT to support one person with money to pay for all sorts of material comforts, having more than everyone else, at the sacrifice of others who would have to do without, to support a comfortable, easy life.

Genesis 8:22

“While the earth remains, Seed time and harvest, And cold and heat, And summer and winter, And day and night Shall not cease.”

** yes, there is a natural seed time and harvest of living things, and the spirit is life also. Only living systems can produce a harvest, not dead things like paper money.

 

Enter “man” assigning money as the definition of seed

Oral Roberts and his fellow money preachers have been claiming that his seed faith doctrine has “worked” for 60 years…. How does it “work”? They equate themselves as equal to God….so if you give money to them, it is the same as giving money to God…once you have given to them (God), then you should expect a 100 fold return in your investment. They will tell you that good seed are good thoughts and good deeds, which contradicts Matt 13. which says that the good seed are the children of the kingdom, which are sent (sowed) to bring in more children (harvest) through their testimony(their word – seed).

Oral Roberts tells you to “aim your seed” at a certain request or petition for help. If you goof this up, then God will not help you. Sowing seed and aiming it is WORK, and bribing God to do your will.

Most people cannot stand in front of thousands, and assert that giving to them is equal to giving to God, so this technique will not work for most people.

Duh !!

BUT, if it is working so well for preachers, why do they constantly ask for money? The money was sown to God, not the general public, so the money should come from God, not people. They have to keep asking for money when a 100 fold return should take care of them for a long time. They are asking you to sow something that has no life. Money is a dead object.

These preachers are preying on the flesh of man, who wants money and power. People who fall prey to this false claim are setting themselves up for financial distress.

 

Let’s get real people !!!!

Stop and think for a change…….What is a seed?

In the natural, it is something that has the potential to reproduce itself, with the correct nurturing environment, without human intervention. The ability to reproduce itself indicates that it is a life unto itself…..

Apples, grain, flowers, human life, all have this capacity……Jesus also taught that words have life, and that he was the Living Word from Heaven, and that the Word gave life, as bread gives life to those who eat it….

Money does NOT have this capacity…it has no “life,” ……it requires human intervention, and manipulation for any investment to grow. If you planted this in the ground, it would rot.

Does God expect man to sow money? If yes, then he should have also instructed us to sow other inanimate objects, such as bricks, stones, jewels, coins, etc.

Obviously, God is smart enough to know that only life produces more life…and non-living objects do not constitute life……In the parable of the sower and the reaper…Jesus did not have the man sow coins into the soil, because that would not have produced anything. He used live seed, which he said represented the Word of God.

All through the teachings of Jesus….the “seed” mentioned represents the Word of God, NOT money. To teach that it represents money is pure heresy.

This is what the prosperity pimps do not want you to know.

 

The devil sows too!!!! The devil sows heresy…..to replace the truth…..


Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one]; Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
This is a description of the end of the Age………not the present day. It’s a description of final judgment, not an excuse not to judge the tares when it becomes obvious they are tares because they no longer resemble the wheat.


Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

 

Think for a moment…….

Jesus was poor

The apostles were poor

They gave everything. ..and they all suffered and died…..

They did not live preaching money, or giving to get back…..they preached the kingdom of God, a spiritual kingdom, not one made of money. They also taught that if one would just seek first the kingdom of God, and its righteousness, then ALL things would be added to you as needed.

 

 

Only outsiders of a kingdom have to bring offerings to a king to obtain favor. His own children do not need to do this. They already have favor. So, if we just ask in faith, and forget the money trap, God will provide for us. Jesus reminded us that even the birds of the air and the lilies of the field do not sow nor reap, yet the heavenly Father takes care of them. Aren’t we worth more than them? If so, then bringing money to attach to a petition, or “aim the seed” is unnecessary. Planting and sowing seed to obtain favor with God and answers to prayer is WORK. We are under grace now.

 

 

references (giving and receiving heresy)

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:AbV9MYgAPBwJ:www.ondoctrine.com/10giving.htm+seed+time+and+harvest+heresy+oral+roberts&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=11&gl=us

 

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:I5u5z0sYxogJ:www.cultlink.com/ar/TBNbed.htm+oral+roberts+seed+time+harvest+false+doctrine+clean+temple&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

 

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295 Responses to ““Seed Time and Harvest” – False doctrine of money”

  1. I accept that it is correct doctrine THOSE WHO SEEK MONEY ARE FALSE PROPHETS

  2. I accept your views regarding money

  3. I agree with your speaking up about the “false doctrine of money”
    Some of the churches I’ve visited gave me the impression that Jesus had told the young rich man “Go and sell all that you have and give it unto some slick talking prosperity preaching rich man” and then forget about the poor living in your midst while the extravagant church building plans continue.

    • Thank you so much for sharing this. Some friends of mine and I started a Facebook group called the ACT PRAYER GROUP. We are now in the beginning stages of starting a church. Getting our paperwork and bank account going as we speak but it’s for this very reason. Not only to follow Christ and do our best with the leading of the Holy Spirit to populate heaven and expose nonsense like this. If they were scriptural churches, these Mega Churches they would say “sow your Word of God”. The Body of Christ needs to wake up and begin to sow some true seed and glorify our awesome God and Saviour. God bless!

  4. Thank you. People will always be able and free to give as God directs…to the poor and needy, to spread the gospel in an efficient, and humble way.

  5. These churches need to do what Jesus really said to the rich man. The problem is, they’ll say “money answereth all things” to justify themselves. I’ve heard Creepyflo Dollar quote that (in Proverbs, I think) while people go to the altar and, no, not repent, but lay money down. These are the ones who’ll take the Mark of the Beast when he does away with money and makes his claim to divinity.

  6. Hi Herbert,

    Thank you for your comment.

    I hope that more people start helping those who are really in need, and not waste it on the rich.

  7. It is wonderful to view those that also understand the scriptures and can identify the enemy that sows destruction. The false shepherds and hirelings of this modern era continue to compell many to trust in the riches of this world. This present world however is not our inheritance, for we look for a New Heavens and New Earth, the things of this world are temporal and breed corruption. Satan has truly transformed himself into a minister of light appearing to be an agent of the gospel, yet through the lusts of the flesh he has deceived many. Those that are of the apostate church continue to be led by the Prince of this World to follow a path that leads to death and destruction. We as children of the light and the day must stand in the gap and fight against these enemies of truth. The watchman is accountable to God and must sound the alarm and wake up them which are slumbering. Shalom, Baruch Ha Ba B’Shem Adonai, Peace be with you, blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Yeshua will soon make an end to all these wolves who seek to prey on the sheep. Blessings to all who continue to fight the good fight and remain stedfast in the work of our faith until the King of Glory sounds the Shofar and our gathering together commences in the clouds of heaven.

    • Jesus was not poor. He is the Son of God. Also he was a Carpenter. The deciples were not poor. Mathew was a tax collector, Luke was a physician and Peter a fisherman
      God does not want us to be poor. He said He has come to give us life and life in abundance. I can go on and on.

      • In Biblical times, Carpenters were not rich. However, they were neither poor. Remember Joseph and Mary could only afford a pair of turtledoves or two pigeon, for the sacrifice when they presented Jesus to the High Priest. (Luke 2:23,24).

        Jesus was not rich. He gave up his heavenly wealth to come to earth as a servant. (2 Corinthians 8:9; Philippians 2:6–8). By the time He endured the tortures of the cross for us, His earthly possessions amounted to no more than the clothes on his back.

        Yes Matthew, Luke might have been rich. However, Fishermen in biblical times were not rich, much of what they earned went into various state taxes.

        Nevertheless, I do believe Jesus came to give us life and life in abundance but it is much more than just money.

        http://www.gotquestions.org/abundant-life.html

      • Jesus gave up his wealth and that was in the heavenly not on this earth, Matthew was a tax collector and also gave that up to follow the lord, Peter was a fisherman and also gave it up to follow the lord, it is debatable if Luke was actually rich in the end of his life and was also martyrd in the end. Yes Jesus did come to give us life and life in abundance…………,the abundance being eternal life (that’s pretty abundant), not temporary money and things money can buy none of which is eternal.

        • amen

        • I think people often feel abundance and prosperity are more than just spiritual because of stories like Job, Joseph, David, etc. They were all elevated in monetary and positional prosperity. And I believe that is what God has for all of us but only when we’re able to let go of desiring those things or seeking our own comforts above the spiritual desires.

          There’s a period each person spent in a wilderness but in the end it wasn’t so they could be rich, but they came to a point of wanting God’s will first and foremost. Those who died did so because they’d rather do so for Christ and as a testament to their faith before witnesses. They likely desired comfort but they desired God more.

          And if God gave us all riches here, how many would take it and use it to the benefit of others or use a chunk of it for their own comfort?

          David said he would have fainted had he not hoped to see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. And he saw that goodness. But what did he forget once he had it? He desired Bathsheba more than God’s will because he forgot just how good God had been.

          • char

            it is true; man cannot seem to keep prosperity in check or balance it with his spiritual side.

          • Even if these “more than just spiritual people” could think people like Job, Joseph, David etc were rich but the main idea or issue is the source of wealth and how they came to be rich. All these mentioned people had sowed spiritually first..

            • If that were true Sai, it would stand to reason that anyone with wealth had sowed financially. But we know that’s false. Paul asked that they give only what they could afford because the idea was for equality. God doesn’t withhold blessing on what you cannot give. Too many accounts of the acts of Jesus bear that out. He healed those who begged alms just to eat. He even said that the Pharisees heaped burdens on the people. He had Peter take a coin from the mouth of a fish to pay the temple tax “lest they offend”. He told the Pharisees that they ignored the weightier matters and they dishonored their parents all because of money they set aside for the church. Jesus took more interest in the poor than any other. The poor are often those who will help a neighbor even when they don’t have much themselves. The rich do it for the tax write-off. God doesn’t bless based on how much you give but on willingness to give.

              Aside from all of this, tithing is still incorrectly applied. The OT tithe was on the first fruits of your”increase” (such as what was plundered from a city that had been conquered). And this was ANNUALLY. Not bi-monthly, weekly, etc. And the church places heavy burdens on certain people. Business They give themselves the salary they determine while the rest belongs to the company. Others go to work for these people. They cannot write off their vehicle, although it transports them to work. They pay on their entire check and cannot consider it as funds to operate their business. They cannot write off the costs of doing business. Proving the unfair practice of the church promoting the tithe. In the same account of the temple tax, Jesus points out that this tax was only charged to foreigners and wasn’t applied to their own people. Christ was more concerned with us loving God and one another, not in giving money. Even Paul refused pay for his preaching. It’s never provide for our church. But when the church has chandeliers and the pastor goes to the finest restaurant, while you go to dark and dreary run down home to fix a sandwich from food you got from the local food pantry, something is very very wrong and Jesus was quite clear on who will not be in heaven, the greatest blessing and riches anyone could have.

      • Eccles 5:10 He that loveth silver shall not be satisfied with silver; nor he that loveth abundance with increase: this is also vanity.

  8. Rodney,

    Todah rabah תודה רבה

    for the continued beneficial comments, for others to read and think about.

    Instead of keeping our eyes on the money, we should be keeping our eyes on the sky. 🙂

    blessings
    marianne

  9. Right on the mark. Well written. I pray many will take heed.

  10. Hello Rev. Williams

    It is a pleasure to have you visit here. Thank you for your comment.

    blessings
    marianne

  11. AMEN! This needs to get out to more people, who are sitting home watching Christian TV! The Lord just showed this same teaching to me himself, and so I looked to see if others had gotten it! Praise the Lord He has, and I am thankful for your getting the “Word” out about this!

  12. Hi Marty,

    God bless you for your comments. Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Just love and obey his commandments, help the poor when you can, and you will be blessed.

    blessings
    marianne

  13. Hello Marianne,
    I have just discovered this site. I was initially reading up on the antichrist and the 12th IMAM revelations, but I was led to this particular subject because it is a subject I have wrestled with for so long. Thankyou for clarifying what I was thinking all along, especially about Christian TV and those suspect praise a thons from eg TBN, GODTV(I do love GODTV though) amongst others.

  14. Hi Peter,

    Welcome to Heaven Awaits….. Please feel free to make comments, criticisms.

    blessings
    marianne

  15. Marianne,

    Or anyone else who follows up with this site. can someone please clarify for me what or where the 10% comes in?

  16. Hi Debra

    The 10% (tithe) was a once a year offering for the poor, and for thanksgiving sacrifices, shabbat, and holiday sacrifices. The 10% only consisted of grain, corn, and certain animals.

    Something called the temple tax was for the support of the temple…what we today would use for the light bill, maintenance, supplies, etc.

    see the portions on the tithe – proper use, and misuse.

    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/108/

    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/tithing-judaism/

    blessings
    marianne

  17. And the serpant spoke to Eve … Quoting scriptures out of context to misrepresent them as the teaching of the church (which you attack here) does not represent an ‘understanding of the scripture’. The truth is that there are many versus in the Word that talks to and commands sowing in monetary terms. Tithing is not a church thing it is a God thing. The disciples wanted to go and by bread for 5000 men – does that sound poor to you?

    I am in no way trying to defend money-hungry people that use the church or believers or God’s Word as an excuse to get rich, they will answer to God and I am sure that as per Gal 6:7 they will reap a sure reward and then they may not be smiling that much …

    Quoting scripture and misrepresenting God’s Word to ‘uncover’ a ‘lie’ is no better than the ‘lie’. Like I said the serpant was looking for a willing ear and in this world of church-haters and excuse-finders you will tap right into a major market willing to listen – I bet they will even be prepared to pay to hear this …

    • Hi Daniel,

      I understand what you are saying. Note also what you said.

      “The disciples wanted to go and by bread for 5000 men – does that sound poor to you?”

      Notice that the disciples were buying bread for the congregation. The congregation was not collecting money to feed the disciples.

      All tithes were food, not money. All offerings were food, or doves as a poor offering, but not money. They may have used money to buy the offering.

      Offerings for the poor were given directly to the poor, not to an organization which paid staff members.

      Sowing with money was not commanded. We are commanded to sow the word of God, not money.

    • Daniel, I think you may have a great point

  18. Marianne,

    Where do you suppose the disciples got the money they used to buy the bread with? Most of them were called away from their current forms of work to spend the next 3 years with the Lord.

    Last night I read 2 Cor 8/9/10 and there is little doubt that Paul is speaking about the collecting of money in these scriptures. He uses the term ‘sowing’ and ‘reaping’ in direct relation to monetary terms here.

    See, there is a difference in taking that which is yours and doing with it as you see fit and taking what is God’s and prescribing the use of it. God gives us all that we have, that is my belief. He gives me 10 tenths and then He says 1 of those tenths belong to Him and should be brought to His store-house (Mal 3:8-10). That tithe that I give is not under my control, it should not be, it should be under the control of God’s store-house keepers and in God’s administration he has chosen the church to perform that function and therefore the ministers in that role by default. The other 9 tenths is my concern and I must adminster it wisely as God would expect the minister of the church to administrate that which comes in to the church wisely. So my giving of tithes is not my giving to the needy, it is based on God’s command and to make way for His provision. My giving to the needy comes from the management of my 9 tenths of which I have been given control.

    The Word says that they that teach the gospel should live off it. Sadly for many it is but only an occupation, but for most it is a calling and there is nothing that says they should be poor, needy people. He should be justly compensated for the work he does and how he choose to manage his allocation is entirely up to him as mine is up to me. If he choose to buy a fancy car with what he gets it is his choice is it not?

    It is evident when looking through the Word, both old and new testament, that in most cases that which was to be distributed was brought to a central place and managed from there (incidently – notice that the priest was always allowed to take a portion for himself of that which was given as a direct result of God’s command). Over and above that the people could freely give of what they had out of their own compassion.

    A last thought – if I give specific things I am giving based on my perception of the need, I may give bread to a needy family not knowing that they may be allergic to wheat and in doing so I am not filling their need, I leave them in need. If I gave money they could decide how to use it to fill their need. It is much the same way as I read the scripture that says “And my God shall supply all your needs …” when my need is food I trust God for food, when my need is money I trust God for money, when my need is healing I trust God for healing.

    • Dear Daniel

      The bible teaches that everyone was expected to work, and support themselves. They had their own money. Jesus did not take a salary, neither did the apostles. There is no record of Jesus taking tithes from people, although there happened to be 2 cases where someone offered food. The services of Jesus and his followers were “free.” They did not ask for money offerings. If they got any, it was free will and voluntary…..someone might just offer and give. Jesus did not pass around a basket and ask everyone.

      The famous Malachi scripture you quote, which is forced upon congregations weekly, if read in its true context, would be the chastisement of spiritual leaders who are robbing God, by keeping the tithe money for themselves. The tithe was for God, not them. The people gave, but the priest kept the tithes, instead of allowing the offerer to eat the tithe before the Lord in worship, and giving what was left to the poor. This is an abomination, and still occurs today.

      Also, if one wants to be under the law, why not obey all of it, and not just the money part? The spiritual leaders were not allowed to own property or homes. They took no salary. They sat in the gate of the city, and people were to treat them as poor, since they had nothing.

      The tithe was food, not money. It was to be eaten before God as a communion meal. Modern christian leaders have prostituted it into being money for their pockets, an abomination they borrowed from the Catholics. The poor benefits very little from the tithe now. They have to go to the government and social services to get any help.

      Today, the pastors prostitute the tithe, spend it on themselves and their building projects, cars, etc.

      They have no right to salaries…..they just help themselves, and defy God. They have turned the gospel into a business, where they are somehow more special than others, and deserve to get paid. But the bible says we are all equal before God.

      Giving money to the poor is called alms….there is nothing wrong with that…..but the tithe is food.

      Paul indicates any money given to the church is for helping those in need ….there is no “pastor” who is getting the money for a salary.

      Elders are worthy of double honor, if they serve well. It does not say they are worthy of double money.

      Paul talks a lot about the love of money that corrupts.

      Paul makes it very clear that he refuses money and salaries, so that he will not abuse the gospel

      1Cr 9:18 What is my reward then? [Verily] that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

      I practice what I preach. I am here 24/7, I spend about 60 hours a week here, and I never ask for money. I do not want to abuse the gospel either. I want God to get all the glory.

      I support the local poor, the homeless. I help friends in need. I let people stay here who have no home.

      I give up a salary to sit here. I expect nothing but God’s love in return.

      Serving God is a privilege, not a job with a salary.

      I am not a hireling. I am his bride.

      I hope you can see where I am coming from now.

    • Daniel
      The giving of tithe is an old testament law. The New Testament simply asks us to give a freewill offering.
      Pastors are supposed to live by faith like the rest of us.
      I can’t stand people preaching old testament tenets to New Testament Christians. I mean if you want to follow old testament laws then you should be keeping the Sabbath.
      Why is money the only thing people want to take from the Old Testament — the love of it is really the root of all evil

  19. i am apostle chukwudi utcheson from nigeria africa. i float a church, spirit and word centre. the error with the seed faith idea is that most preacher take God’s encounter or personal dealing with them and make a doctrine out of it. simply becos you needed a particular thing from God and he asked you to give 10dollars to someone indeed thosen’t mean you should make a doctrine out of it. telling church flocks to always give some money to someone when ever they are in need. this is the spring board of most errors in doctrine we find in the body of Christ. we need prophets and apostles and teacher to restore the sound doctrines of Christ to the church. most of the teachings we have today are doctrines of men, devil and commanding of church overseers and it is not ministreing grace to the hearer. the lord said to me ‘i have sent you to take away from God’s word what men added to it, and put back into it what man took away. uchee25@yahoo.com, or call: +2348038758238,+2348097886319. God bless all the readers in this site. keep me posted.

    • hello utcheson chukwudi

      It may be possible that God told a rich man to give up his riches, in order to obtain salvation, an answer to prayer. This is the same test that Jesus gave the rich young man.

      But most people are not rich, and so this would be an inappropriate test for them.

      People are just greedy, and the people who give are also doing it for the wrong reasons. If they were not so addicted to their needs, they would not fall for this deception.

      We all need to break away from the flesh, and walk by faith.

    • Big amounts of money have been made by this false doctrine, seed and harvest..making preachers into billionaires. Just google rich pastors in Africa or Nigeria, and it’s all adopted from TBN. We are talking, Jets, fleets of cars, designer suits, mansions, one pastor in Africa has a university and a city, and one american pastor boasts of owning a shopping mall, while many lost souls continue to perish in desperate poverty and most schools in Africa are fee paying, medications are sold and there are places with no water and no toilets! What does a pastor need a jet for tel me? To go round the world telling of the good news ( boasting) while people in his own village continue to suffer and if they come to church u tel them to plant seeds with their last penny. To reap what? Seeing you ascend into glory( take a trip around the world) or just be a member of your who is who club where a real Christian ( also lost ) might spot you and provide for u and your family? Or to eat the once in a while free lunch… This topic infuriates me!,,, I thank God that a reawakening is now taking place, and one by one, we are coming out of these false doctrines..

  20. Hello all,
    I am all for helping minitstries who are furthering the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to help people (like I once was before Christ) receive Jesus, be born again, receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, receive the truth of Gods word through television, radio or internet, and bring souls fromm the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of His dear Son Jesus.
    What I beleive is Not of God is using scriptures in the word of our Lord to state to Gods children to “exercise their faith by sowing a seed for a $1,000 to receive a miracle in 24 hours” or “the reasomn you still have a curse in your life…”, ahhhh! This is horrible! This is not the finished work of Jesus Christ being preached. The finished work is not do, do, do but receive, receive, rcceive. Jesus is not condemenation He is life. Condemantion kills, the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. Children, we must renew our minds with the precious word of God by the power of the Holy Spirit so that when we give it will not be under the law or out of condemantion but from the Spirit of Grace and under the New Covenant. We give not to receive, we give because we have already recieved. I love TBN, Jesus has blessed me richly by veiwing shows on ministries on that network. It’s just not of God to use manipulation of the word of God to get money duringpraise a thons. If they are receiving lets say $30 million a year from veiwers (please note I have no idea how much that network recieves, this number is used for example only) how much more would people give if Jesus was being lifted up in these Praise a thons instead of money, if the Spirit of Grace was being ministered instead of the spirit of condemnation in which our precious Lord and Savior killed at the cross. How much more would the children of God give. Just as the scripture says, in 2 Corinthians 3:9
    “For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.”
    May the Lord help the ministers/preachers who are preaching this message of death and may our Lord and Savior help our brothers and sisters to see what He sees and to stand firm on the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to know what they have alreday. Jesus bought by His blood so much, our salvation, fellowship, health, wholeness, peace; He even became poor so we may become rich, but not ungodly rich nor greedy rich. Rich yes even financially but His way, where He uses it for His glory, you see it and it doesnt affect you like it affects the world because Jesus is your everything.
    Tithing is another thing. I wrestled with this for a long time. The Lord blessed me with a beautfiul revelation where is says never tithe out of condemnation or out of the law. Abraham tithed before the law to Michelzedek a type of Jesus where in the new covenant the Holy Spirit states, Hebrews 7:8
    “And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth”. Beloved, our tithes testifies He’s alive!
    I have asked the Lord if I should give to my current church who mixes law and grace, even if i should continue to attend there. By His Grace and Patience I will not move unless He leads me. I am grateful and highly blessed to not have to rely on “my power” (my flesh) but in Christ Jesus, “Galatians 2:20
    I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

    God bless each and everyone of you and remember, you are highly favored, deeply loved and greatly blessed for you are the discple whom Jesus loves.

  21. hi anita

    I would give as you determine is right in your heart, when asked by those who are in legitimate need. Use wisdom when non-needy people want your money.

    The tithe is only for the levite priest in the temple in Jerusalem, no where else. It is not for gentile pastors who want to make a salary, buy a new car, or build a building that is much more than a humble structure.

    The orthodox Jews are very strict in obedience. Not even they pay tithes right now, since there is no temple in Jerusalem. They just give free will offerings, and do charity instead.

  22. The tithe your speaking of that was “only for the Levite priest” was according to the Old Covenant aka The Law. There may be orthodox Jews that dont pay tithes just as you wrote but if they havent received Jesus has the Messiah why are we bringing them up in this case. They are not part of the Bride of Christ yet. Before I go any further what does it matter if Jews orthodox or not tithe?
    Lets talk about the Bride of Christ, the body of Christ. We are the Bride, and its better to be His bride than His brother. The bride shares intimacy, shares the throne, shares the name. We are the gentile bride of Jesus Christ

    Tithing is part of the Abrahamic Covenant originally. Tithing that was under the law starting in Leviticus is not what I am writing about.
    It really is has simple as looking at Hebrews 7:8, “Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives”.
    Where the scripture reads, “Here mortal men received tithes…”, that means when you tithe to the Lord mortal men eg., all the full time ministries, all the pastors, missionaries, all the work of Jesus around the world all come under the benefit of our tithe. These are mortal men that recieve tithe. The emphasis on “Here” mortal men receive tithes.

    Now emphasis on “There” he (Jesus)receives them.
    Now “Here” when we tithe we tithe to the church and “Here” mortal men receive the tithe for the work of Jesus,
    But “There” He receives our tithes.
    The Lord has ordained the way He receives is through the church, the local church.
    Now the last part of that scripture, “…of whom it is witnessed that he lives”. Notice that the word “it” is referenced to tithe.
    You could read, “of whom the tithe witnessed that He lives”.
    Now if you were to read quickly Genesis 14:18-20, “Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. And he blessed him and said:

    “ Blessed be Abram of God Most High,
    Possessor of heaven and earth;
    And blessed be God Most High,
    Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.”

    And he gave him a tithe of all.
    You will see and remember that the bread and the wine is the witness of Jesus’ death (reference also Luke 22:18-20)
    the tithe is the witness of His resurrection.
    These are the 2 ways we remember the Lord our God. You see the word remember is not just a sentimental remembering, (this is a moderinistic western idea). The Jewish idea, God’s idea, the biblical idea is to go through the reanactment.
    When Jesus said, “do this in rememberance of me” He wants us to imagine His broken body and His blood. Thats why when we have communion we take actual elements and “remember” Him the way He said to.
    If your wondering, “I dont get it, how does a tithe witness to His resurrection?”
    This is what the Lord has said to me has He was blessing me with thsi revelation of tithe, “When you preach and talk about how good I am in your life, some of them will not believe, many will but some will not until they see, until they see what I have blessed you with, then will these people who dont believe me see that I am alive in your life.”
    We tithe from a perspective of Grace because we want to, may our life be a reflection of His glory, Hallelujah!
    Simply put tithing is the witness of Jesus resurrection in our life.
    It’s not about Pastors “who want to make a salary, buy a new car or build a bldg…” It’s about Jesus.
    Again I am not advocating by any means using the word of God and twisting it for personal gain in which I have heard and know of.
    I’m talking about Jesus. He’s what it really comes too.
    Thank you siste for hearing me out again.
    May the Lord Jesus Himself confirm His word.

    • anita

      I do not agree. The tithe has nothing to do with the resurrection. We honor the work of Jesus with a holy life, and following his witness, not with giving money to men, unless it it to the poor. Jesus never asked for money.

      Peter (in the book of Hebrews) and the other Jewish apostles continued to pay tithes to the temple in Jerusalem until it fell in 70 AD. They were obeying the Torah. The tithes only went to the Levite priests. They were not paying tithes to the church. By honoring the law, they honored Jesus, who was the fulfillment of the Torah.

    • I believe Tithing is a principle, it did not say Abraham gave 10 percent, but tithe whick is simply giving. Giving is of the heart which I believe will always be right, I do not believe we are requried to give 10percent but I do believe we are to support the local church in ministry through whatever means they need.

  23. Hebrews 7 explains it. Please note I could not have gotten this information unless through divine revelation. The devil wouldn’t say to tithe to testify His ressurection, the flesh wouldn’t either. The only One who would want the Witness of His Sons resurrection is the Father. God bless you Marianne.
    Romans 8:1
    “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”

    • hi anita

      I still disagree. It would be just like the devil to get us into the prosperity gospel, by misinterpretation of scripture.

      But people are free to give what they want. I just want them to use wisdom in giving.

    • Hello Anita
      Please keep preaching and spreading the gospel, my advice is that if TRUE HOLY SPIRIT told you to tithe then you should do what you were told for the reason you were told. Rather its 10 percent or 50 percent whatever is laid on your heart, but you are not under the law (always remember that) cause if you keep one part then you have to keep the entire thing so you need to sacrafice animals and all of that, and I dont know if you have any pets but they would not like that lol. But lets pray together Anita, and Marianne that confusion and false doctrine will be removed from our fathers bride so that we all can commune with him and eachother in advancing his kingdom all over the earth. Love you all with much peach and joy, love Yah always.

  24. I don’t know anything about this “prosperity gospel”, what I do know is about the gospel; of Jesus Christ.
    Psalm 122:7
    Peace be within your walls,Prosperity within your palaces.”

    Psalm 68:6
    “God sets the solitary in families;He brings out those who are bound into prosperity; But the rebellious dwell in a dry land.”

    Psalm 30:6
    Now in my prosperity I said,“I shall never be moved.”

    Psalm 25:13
    He himself shall dwell in prosperity, And his descendants shall inherit the earth.

    Job 36:11
    “If they obey and serve Him,They shall spend their days in prosperity, And their years in pleasures”

    Acts 24:2
    And when he was called upon, Tertullus began his accusation, saying: “Seeing that through you we enjoy great peace, and prosperity is being brought to this nation by your foresight,

    Prosperity is of God, not the devil. It comes from our Father, not Satan.

    Prosperity- definition- a successful, flourishing, or thriving condition.

    • anita

      True, god prospers people at times. But not every holy person is rich. In fact, the average believer is not rich.

      Satan perverts what god offers and appeals to the lusts and greed of man.

      Church is a business now. It demands tithes for the purpose of church maintenance and ministry salaries, who expect the people to be in church all the time.

      If people had any alone time with God, they would miss church, and the church could not collect the money, if they are missing.

  25. Everyone here has some great points of reference and revelation, butI must say that now many of us are confused with what is truth here! I do agree with Marrianne because God is not the author confusion! I don’t have a lot of money, but to tell you the truth, I have done more in my life without money in God than when the imes I did and do get money. I have traveled to preach the word of God and song for Him whn I did not have the finances to go, but God provided, and I did not ask for an offering. The mnistry gave me an offering, and I put it back in that mninistry, believe God always takes care of His own ,I would rather have a job, and work for my own provisions than to make, manipulate or threaten people to give something they don’t have. This is the abuse many mnistries, in which I just left one, has done and is doing to God’s people. Many of times I did not have money to evenget to church and God would provide, but when in services, I would see the Pastor manipulate people and make us feel wwe are not Blessed because we don’t have a Tithe for that week(sunday). I wen home feeling down and discouraged when I was supposed to feel Blessed and be fedthe Word of God! It took them an hour to receive the offering because it was like an auction in there. God is not pleased with this Prosperity doctrine, and we better pray hard nd cry out to God before it’s too late! Thanks so much Mariane for your insight. God revealed to me that scripture about the seed being the Word when I was just a babe in Christ! I believe in bringing my tithe to the local church, it’s just how it’s being taught and how we give it is where I have the problem. Mnay of times, God provided finances I did not work fo because at that time I was unemployed, and I did not have to give money in the church to get it! I know he Father loves me and he provides my every need.

  26. When Jesus bought us with His own blood, He bought everything about us. That includes all our resources – our time left here, our energies and all our possessions. It is now our responsibility – and fantastic privilege – to discern what He wants to do with what He purchased. And much of that will be “a moving target” as He has us in different situations.

    Concerning money – this is just a tool we are to use. The first priority is that we are to “provide for (our) own and particularly those of (our) household.” If we fail in this primary financial ministry He says we will be found to have “denied the faith” being “worse than an unbeliever” (1 Tim 5:8).

    All our financial activity must be measured against this – and any faithful teacher, preacher, pastor,elder, fellow believer, etc., will work with us to help us comply with this directive. And compliance with this does change as our circumstances change.

    I have written on this in some detail, and if you would like to read more, just go to my site for “No Tithe for the Christian” or “The Tithe Test” or “The Christian’s Money and the Bible” I hope to soon write, “Compliance with 1Timothy 1:8 and the Bible”. I have just started it and hope to have it Spring of 2010.

  27. Marianne :
    If you were not so mean spirited you might have a point or two. I think however that when you have brought millions to the Lord like Oral Roberts had, as many documented healings as he had, and dedicated as many years helping others as he had and established one of the most prestigious Christian collages that is still in operation [ORU] then you might be able to insinuate what an idiot he [Oral Roberts] is in your writings. Until then I would be concerned as to what spirit you are serving.

    Sitting in your own little anonymous space blogging descent is a sad vocation and these writing say more about you then those you crucify in the name of religion.

    Sure…pointing out religious carbuncles is noteworthy and needed. Examples are more powerful and less snarky than naming names. Tearing down giants like Oral Roberts is alarming and beneath the gift of love that Jesus paid for at the cross.

    We have not been given the mind of Christ to forgo its use. Jesus didn’t even treat Judas, who was stealing directly from the treasury, as harsh as those you write about. Love seems to be beneath you. And that is sad.

    • Dear Mr Windfield

      I do not consider this mean spirited, or unloving, just because I say Oral Roberts is wrong.

      Jesus explained that the Word of God is seed to the sower.

      Jesus did NOT say that money is seed to the sower.

      It is honorable that Oral brought many to the Lord. But it does not mean he can teach something that is wrong.

      It is wrong to teach people that for every offering, they are going to get more money back than what they “sowed.”

      I have given plenty to ministry, and I never got any money back for it.

      I am trying to clarify what is biblical here, and what isn’t. I have no personal feelings about Oral at all. The disagreement is academic.

    • Mr. Windfield …
      Your name reminded me of this verse of the prophet …
      ‘For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind’
      Jeremiah spoked truly ‘Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.’

      Why should we narrow it down to one man? There are many who teaches false doctrine …
      but to those remember: ‘ Renounce the doctrines of error, that ye may be worthy of the mysteries of the Light and be saved from all the chastisements of the great dragon of the outer darkness.
      Say unto those who teach the doctrines of error and to every one who is instructed by them: Woe unto you, for, if ye do not repent and abandon your error, ye will go into the chastisements of the great dragon and of the outer darkness, which is exceedingly evil, and never will ye be cast [up] into the world, but will be non-existent until the end.’

  28. (I do not consider this mean spirited, or unloving) No doubt…

    Then you should write your points as such. Granted your academic disagreement is overwhelming, however your overall tone and manner is snarky and condescending.
    It is also as in the email you have written me elitist in that what you say about your interpretation is an absolute. Also btw using all caps is the equivalent of yelling.

    (“It is wrong to teach people that for every offering, they are going to get more money back than what they “sowed.”)

    Your absolute assumption here is that “nobody ever” gets more money than they sow. Your absolute assumptions only work in a vacuum of proof. There are more factors involved then I give money and I get more money back. If those are the only elements involved then no it will not occur. But that is not the case. You do not enter in yourself and you keep others from entering in as well.

    (I have given plenty to ministry, and I never got any money back for it.)

    I can name and know hundreds of people who experience on regular basis that are God loving Christians like yourself who give offering and tithes and get 30 60 and 100 fold in return. But they don’t berate those who do not believe in what they do because if they fall out of love the system will not work. You can not say that since you do not get results from a spiritual truth it is not true. That is the argument every atheist uses.

    It is fine you don’t believe but it is not your place or ministry to berate, smear, and belittle your brothers and sisters in Christ who are walking in the Kingdom and have success in areas you find offensive.

    (It is wrong to teach people that for every offering, they are going to get more money back than what they “sowed.”)

    You are correct but you are incorrect to assume that that is “the teaching”. It is only an aspect of a larger awareness. Of course this is all under the supposition that you are the one who says what is right and what is wrong with a teaching from a man such as Oral Roberts academic or otherwise. Best of luck with that.

    The optimist knows this to be true and pessimist fears he is correct. If you don’t believe then don’t worry about it, you will never be bothered with it.

    • dear Mr. Windfield

      I stuck to scriptures that backed up my points. I did not use caps or yell.

      It is taught, of course, to add faith to the seed, to get a return on the seed. Even with faith, there is no guarantee in the Word that there will be a money harvest for any offering.

      I do not know one person who got a 30, 60 or 100 fold return, so if you have list of hundreds, you can send me the list. Include names and phone numbers so they can be contacted. Of course, there should be proof of a connection between an offering and a financial return with dates and documentation.

      Replacing money for the word of God is not spiritual truth.

      I am not smearing anyone. People are responsible for their own behavior. If they are a false teacher, then they bring shame upon themselves.

      The bible says what is right and wrong. I quoted it. Oral cannot find a scripture to back up his claim that money is the seed for the sower, instead of the word of god.

      You are welcome to your opinion, and I invite you to support your view that money is the seed for the sower, by providing scriptures. I will give you the space to do this here.

    • Mr.Windfield and Marianne

      I write to say this, make points known and do not name bash. Second, I beleive it is perfectly ok to let people know that they are not under the LAW OF %10 TITHEING, but let them know what Apostle Paul said about giving out of the heart. The people that gave tithe and offering and recieve 30,60,100 fold then to Yah be the glory, I believe it was out of their obedience to what holy spirit has laid on their heart and their graditude of being able to give. Marianne is just saying people should not be taught that its a must you do thus and so or else. Unless you are telling people that live for Jesus or there is an Eternal fire waiting for you. Telling people that if you dont give %10 percent out of your gross then you are under a curse, I dont believe that is right. But if it is in the heart of the believer to give %10 or %80 out of money to the God then let them give and if they do not want to give %10 percent then let them give according to what is on their heart and only Yah can Judge that. But very valid points from both of you, lets remember to say and do everything with a spirit of Christ Love, Peace, Kindness, Gentleness, HUMILITY, and respect to EDIFY the reader and not confuse them. Paul says 2 Timothy 2:14-Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. So make it know that these are discussions and not arguments on whos right and whos wrong. PLEASE PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER MR.WINDFIELD AND MARIANNE LITERALLY PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER AND I WILL PRAY FOR US TO. Strength and peace be with you both. (May the force be with you) nah just joking I always wanted to say that. Much Love.

  29. Dear Windfield,

    Hi hope you are well.

    Writing from my Church of Christ view point I have this to say.

    Oral Roberts is a deceiver and an Anti Christ. You many commend him on being successful but being a good devil has no advantages over being a bad one; except perhaps earning greater damnation.

    Furthermore was it not Oral Roberts who announced that if he didn’t collect a million dollars or some greater sum of money that God was going to call him home?

    And was it not Oral Roberts who founded these ‘faith’ base hospitals and then when he was sick went to a legitamate hospital?

    Furthermore I hope that RV does not stand for Reverend for you sir are not a Reverend. Psalm 111:9 says in reference to God, “holy and reverend is his name”.

    Somehow I just feel the Spirit leading me to communicate this message very openly and directly.

    And what do you know of Marianne’s life outside of this blog? Once again from my perspective I have found this blog a blessing and an excellent way to document my beliefs and positions. That is certainly more than Oral Roberts has ever done for me.

    If you care to discuss finer points in scripture then I wall calm down and gentley go over the Word of God with you.

    In closing I feel compelled to quote the words of my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ when he was speaking to Peter in Mathew 16:23 “Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offense unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.”

    Love,

    John

  30. Hello,

    Hope you are all well.

    Here the words of Paul, 1 Corinthians 3:5-7 “What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth.”

    Let us humbley recognize our position and place in the grand scheme of things.

    Love,

    John

  31. Well said John!

  32. Pardon me, ya’ll, but didn’t this prosperity pimping over Heavenly promises break up European Christendom? It was unjust and wicked superstition when my Church did it, and by God, it still is. When a believer finally, after many lessons, learns to say “no” to frivolous expenses, “no” to superstitious greediness, “no” to wanting and coveting what others have, miraculously…LO! Money in fact seems to multiply! And God will provide when it runs out. Tithing is about offering the first fruits of EVERYTHING that comes to us…joy, sadness, food, children, new friendships…up to THE FATHER in gratitude. Of course Churches need to pay bills but that is a long, long way from stocks and bonds in securities and $200,000 sound systems! This is selling and buying indulgences to build St. Peter’s all over again…the old churchy edifice complex! Fall in love, stop buying slave made clothes (now that’s a challenge!), make a dog’s day with a long walk…those are REAL…besides how can you know these phony pastors aren’t investing your hard earned money in truly wicked corporations? I can’t believe a Catholic has to remind you about the evils of power and money wed to religion!!

  33. I just would like to say that this message is excellent super I have been preaching and trying to take the blindfold off people that tricked them into thinking that the “seed” is money, when in the book of luke 8:11 it also tells u the definiton of the seed. Jesus himself tells u that the seed is the word of god. So for anybody that is preaching to u that the “seed” is money contradicts what jesus himself said.

    • hello jay

      I am glad to hear you are alert to this seed money issue. I hope you can spread the real seed (real word) about this to as many people as possible. We need saints that are informed and awake, and not blind.

      • hello sister marianne yes I am doing my best to do so I want to do gods will and I am against this false doctrine a lot of preachers are speaking of. Now I’m not saying every preacher preaching this is a fake, a lot of the times for some odd reasons they just go with the flow and that’s just wrong. They need study the word carefully and learn more about the word. Basically what I’m trying to say is we all need to go back to our first love to our roots as a christian when it was about god and sharing the word and not about money. So anyone reading this remember to go back to your first love and spread the word because when u drift away from your first love that’s what god holds against you . Now don’t take my word for it read it for yourself. (Rev. 2:4). Anyways good to hear from you sister and god bless you.

  34. I pray Ephesians 1:18-23 over you. I hope you pray it for yourself. God said he will reveal the mysteries of the spirit realm to his children. The word has tons of depth and there is more to it than what meets the eye. I pray God renew in you the right spirit and that your life is a testimony of his great power and glory.

  35. Jesus lives and forever makes intercession for His children!

    I pray we will all gain an understanding of our Lord’s will in regards to money and prosperity (peace) in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior.

    I pray you and all believers will come to the full knowledge of God’s will in regards to His purpose – the salvation of men’s souls

  36. Wow

    Is this what Jesus went to the cross for? I am a sinner saved by grace. I ask Jesus to cleans me and I believe so should everyone who has replied. Is it possible that we have forgotten that Jesus said forgive them for they know not what they do. I am convienced that everyone has his or her brothers best intensions in mind here. Lets say that you have been given a clear understanding of this very inportant message. Is it possible that in delivering your message you might have affended your brother. I am not sure that everyone who has commented or responded is Born Again. I am however fully convienced that everyone who has responded has a conviction. Whats say we let Jesus decide who gets into heaven. How about we take a moment to pray for each other, and pray that Jesus heals us from all unrighteous condemnation. I truely love each and every person that has responded. One consideration before I go. Once we have placed each others salvation into question are we not supposed to love and pray for one another. Jesus please heal all who have responded from placing thier understanding over your sacrifice. I am sure we continue to need your prayers Jesus. As we wait for your return prepair our hearts and minds that we may truely see your glory as we live for you. Amen.

  37. I agree with you money is not a seed.I have known this for a long time it just never did set right in my spirit.paul said I plant and apollo watereth.I do pay my tithe to the church and sometimes I give offering.sometimes I purpose in my heart what to give.the other day I heard a man preaching on sewing telling people that god said they would get triple favor.I couldnt believe it and then when he sais that the woman with the issue of blood was healed because she had favor.once again I couldnt believe what I was hearing of course I turned off the television.im really concerned for those that are teaching this have they also become victimized by deception and have been decieved to believe this doctrine.im really concerned for these people I believe many has been decieved to believe this non-sense.I know it takes money but something strange is going on and has been getting stranger on this seed time and harvest money.thank you for being honest.there are times we give but its only by the leading of the spirit and not propaganda.I hope that I didnt offend anyone but when it comes to giving it should be done differently.

    • hi herb

      Unfortunately, this is getting worse. I hope it finally dies out. It most likely will, when the deceived people run out of money to give for “favors” from God. We already have favor with God. That is why Jesus died for us. We do not need to pay money for it.

      I try to give directly to those in need. That is a blessing in itself.

      If I hear promises of money, prosperity, or favor for giving, I usually run the other direction.

      I pray people will wake up and see this. Baal was the god of the harvest, the god of prosperity. So this preaching borders on idolatry.

  38. What a wonderful blog and comments made about the prosperity “gospel”. I was once deluded into believing that if I sowed a monetary seed, I could expect a supernatural return for my obedience. With the benefit of hindsight, I now know that this is a false teaching. The church I used to go to promoted it to its extremity. For example: they had 3 services each Sunday and each one had an offering, we also were strongly encouraged to use the Credit/Debit Card slips on our seats for faster giving. There was always, and I mean always, a mini sermon on giving before the offering was taken. It – as I have now realised – was distorted and sounded more like a motivational speech despite an out-of-context Bible passage quoted.

    After the church raised in its tens of thousands on Miracle Offering Sunday (as well as having a regular offering too), I asked God for discernment. Was I doing the right thing? After all, my former senior pastor said that ‘if we don’t sacrificially give, then we can expect very little in return.’ And one televangelist went so far as to say ‘delayed obedience is disobedience’ so I had no intention of upsetting or disobeying the Lord. I did give to the Miracle Offering and it was a sacrifice what I gave, so I was expecting a great blessing in return.

    Then, praise God, He opened my spiritual eyes to the deception of this teaching! I spent some considerable time in the Word and in prayer asking Him to lead me in what He had to say. First of all, I was directed to 1ST TIMOTHY 6:3-5; “If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.” (NASB). Secondly, He led me to 2ND TIMOTHY 3 and also 2ND TIMOTHY 4:2-4 “preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.” (NASB)

    Since God laid it thick on me from these Scriptures, I have heavily refuted the prosperity gospel and have asked the Lord to forgive me of my wrongdoing and lust after giving in the expectation to get! I continually pray for the televangelists and also the very souls at risk from this damaging false doctrine that their spiritual eyes will, one day, become opened like mine. This is damaging the Body of Christ and we should always be praying for those who teach it that they may see the Truth for themselves and repent of their wicked ways. Thanks for sharing, Marianne. Blessings, your sister in Christ Cheryl-Lee

    • hi Cheryl-Lee

      Thank you for your testimony. I am happy to hear you are better now, and out from under that oppression.

      I had to go through it myself as well. One day, I started reading more, like you. The Bible said the seed was the Word of God ( not money). Then I thought, Jesus never preached the prosperity message, and expected people to go into debt to support him.

      I hope more and more people wake up. Unbelievers think we are all greedy and sinful. And in today’s economy, people cannot afford to be tricked into giving money, when they have important bills to pay, and food to buy for their children.

      god bless you.

    • Cheryl-Lee,
      I don’t know if you’re still reading as your post is old but I was reading through some responses and something you said had me thinking of the televangelist I’ve seen quite frequently at night.

      ****we also were strongly encouraged to use the Credit/Debit Card slips****

      There are actually a couple of them back to back. But this guy asked for X number of people to give “insert some exorbitant amount here”. And to beat it all, he even encouraged them to use a credit card if they didn’t have it just now!!!

      So if anyone questions whether tithing is a false teaching, consider this request (guilt trip) to do what is totally against Scripture (both old AND new).

      Romans 13:7
      Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

      Ecclesiastes 5:5
      It is better that you should not vow than that you should vow and not pay.

      Proverbs 22:7
      The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender.

      Proverbs 17:18
      One who lacks sense gives a pledge and puts up security in the presence of his neighbor.

      What will become of such persons?

      Proverbs 22:22-23
      Do not rob the poor, because he is poor, or crush the afflicted at the gate, for the Lord will plead their cause and rob of life those who rob them.

      Proverbs 22:16
      Whoever oppresses the poor to increase his own wealth, or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty.

      This guy, and all those others requesting money from credit cards are placing people in debt. For this, I prefer the NLT…

      Matthew 23:4
      They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.

      The thing that had me so bound up on this was I was always taught the 10% tithe law. So when i accepted Christ, I began to tithe faithfully. It tore me up when someone coached me to pay a bill before the tithe. And I felt I had to make up that one missed tithe. So when I came to a point where I couldn’t pay my rent, I paid tithes first. When I couldn’t come up with rent money, I asked my church for help. This incident was the last time I paid tithes and I struggled with that for a long time.

      I had paid $3,000-$4,000 annually for the last three years. And when I needed to pay my rent, the church said all they had in the benevolence fund was $250. My brother came to my rescue with the rest of my high priced $475 rent AND paid my electric bill. I fought bitterness on this and made excuses for the church but they are without excuse. I can only pray these teachings change. I keep noticing some small changes to this. Maybe they are growing in knowledge themselves after years of wrong teaching they learned from.

      We need to get wisdom, get understanding. It’s not something that comes easily but must be learned through prayer and the Word.

      • chargfox

        they robbed you blind.

        typical they do not help you back.

        the prosperity they preach to you does not seem to make even them prosper, if they only had $250

        • Actually it does make them prosper. That they give $250 when it might mean the pastor will need to move into a 3 bedroom home with his 2 kids, instead of a 6 bedroom home with chandeliers, was more than one could expect. I’d be surprised if his mortgage payment isn’t around $1500/mo. And I was paying $475 for an 850 sq ft leaky cabin in the woods which included everything but electric. He certainly shouldn’t have been taking thousands from me every year or making me feel guilty if I didn’t tithe, or feel I was prospering because I didn’t tithe.

          But then you run into another issue. While realizing this, you can’t hold onto bitterness over it.

          I still love my church, and the supportive people there. But I try to listen for preaching that lines up with the Word, while I’ve sometimes sat and silently prayed or read Scripture and didn’t listen because I didn’t agree with the teaching.

          My best friend does the same. She also has it rough and she doesn’t tithe. She also doesn’t agree with everything preached. Just last week, when she found out what the sermon was, she decided to go over to the youth center and watch her daughter practice for the church drama team.

          She told me she didn’t tithe and didn’t feel obligated to when I was warring with this and trying to find answers. Yet others were saying God can’t or won’t bless you if you don’t and to not give was a sin. This causes confusion for those who truly desire the truth. It causes so much unnecessary turmoil.

          As I told Robert, I still give in the offering but I wonder myself if it’s so they see me give or because I want to give. Be careful not to practice your alms before men.

          I’m still learning and I continue seeking the truth over the preaching I’ve always heard.

          • you are doing the right thing. give as you determine what is right to give. no more guilt trips

            if the church is not teaching the Word correctly , or teaching that you should support a rich life for the pastor, you should consider that also about not supporting it at all.

      • Hi chargfox

        I receive emails notifications whenever someone makes a comment to this blog. So, 6 years after my original post, I have been diligently poring over Scripture and more and more I do not believe in the prosperity “gospel” that Christian television shows peddle.

        I’m so sorry to hear your story and will keep you in my prayers that God gives you wisdom and discernment in these matters. God bless!

        • I wasn’t sure if you’d still see a response after so long. Sometimes I go ahead and respond to older posts in case it would help anyone else.

          There are rare occasions I will wonder if I’m wrong or right on this, but they don’t torment me the way they did. I too did a lot of studying on tithing because of what happened that day with my rent. And I no longer believe it’s a requirement. The heart is the true measure. God cares more about why we give than how much. The widow gave all she had and Jesus said she gave more than all the rich because she gave sacrificially but they gave of their excess or abundance.

          I often think I don’t have much and bills are behind but there’s a need and I have given the last I had in my purse…just to find out I needed .50 cents for the parking meter the next day and realized I didn’t have 2 quarters. I get a momentary thought…”was I still feeling pressure of all those years of guilt trip giving?” But I banish it because it’s water under the bridge. I already gave it and the cause was good so I look for other parking or some kind soul.

          Another peeve I have…if we’re to give to a special funding at church and need to put it into a tithing envelope and mark it’s purpose, I won’t fill in the name. I will never again put my name to it. The church gives out the end of year tax forms. I could use the tax break and always did. Now I just feel it sullies the gift. They’re keeping a record of who gives more and I’m not about to satisfy their curiosity of how much I give.

          <> LOL

        • OK never use brackets. It treated it as code. The <> said “Insert end of rant here”. Might explain the LOL Need an edit function.

  39. Marianne, again I agree 100% with your words. Too, prosperity gospel is dangerous. I’m in touch with a young poor minister in Uganda where prosperity gospel is gaining ground among the very poor there. I’ve explained about prosperity gospel but in his deprivation…he loves the idea of it. But I don’t allow him to shower me with promises of ‘blessing’ related to the small and occasional monetary gifts I share with him and his sweet family…lol. He has learned to say a simple, ‘thank you.’

    Again, enjoyed the post.

    CArolyn

  40. Galatians 2:16 No one will be justified by God for observing the law, we are justified by faith in Christ.

    Galatians 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law by being made a curse for us on the tree, this is how we receive the blessing of Abraham by faith in Jesus

    It is obvious that most Christians lack understanding of the huge differences in Old Covenant and New Covenant. When Jesus said Paid in full the law was fulfilled for us. Before he died the law was still in effect
    Romans 10:4 Jesus is the end of the law for everyone who believes.
    The Law pointed us to our need for a Savior and our guilt was made evident. The Jews had 613 laws around the clock to try to keep and their sacrificing lambs was endless for violating these laws, in many cases they were stoned to death. The most important law was not tithing which was paid in food by the way. The laws that could result in a person being stoned for breaking was not keeping the Sabbath (it began Frid. evening for 24 hours till Sat.@ 6p and not being circumcised yet where is the demand to keep these laws? Why aren’t they taught to all of the Christian members? Let me answer this?…BECAUSE we are not Jews under the Old Covenant of Law but are Christians under the New Covenant of Grace. Really ponder the scriptures mentioned and look them up! If you think you can be cursed when Gal. 3:13 said we are redeemed from the curse you are real brainwashed!

    • Hi Susy

      Good points.

      But if you said them in front of a church, they would ask you to leave! 🙂

      • ROFL I know this too is old but I agree with you there Marianne.

        Just went through this in a way. My church had two locations. The Pastor at my location went to the elders pastor (the one who couldn’t pay my rent) about finances, since they took in more tithes than bills but couldn’t pay their bills. When he couldn’t get an answer, he took a couple witnesses from our location to a board meeting to discuss this. He was fired for insubordination. The ENTIRE church walked out. God is good though. REAL good. Within that week, we were given an auditorium to use for one year, and still held service the following Sunday. Money poured in to get this started. We have signs and brochures, etc because of everyone’s giving. And we had over 110 in attendance last week…our 5th week.

        Pastor preaches he’s not expecting you to tithe but if you have it and are hooked into the vision of the church, then give what you feel God has laid on your heart. He also provides a much needed change from the previous church…open book finances. Any member is allowed to see the books at any time. And you don’t have to tithe to be a member.

  41. Judaism is the foundation for Christianity. They should not be separated. A Christian should learn all that they can about Judaism so as to be able to understand a Jewish Bible and the reasons for the Torah-Jewish Law. And to be able to understand a Jewish Messiah and the words He spoke.

    When doing this, we are able to understand why the laws were given and which ones still apply.

    And then we understand why Jesus said that His yoke is light.

    The law no longer SAVES us….Jesus Christ SAVES us because He fulfilled the law. He was the only one who could.

    “do unto others as you would have them do unto you…this SUMS UP the LAW and the prophets 🙂 Matthew 7:12

    Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

    Galatians 5:14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

    The Greatest Commandment

    34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    37Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’b 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’c 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

  42. Hi.. What makes me wonder and unable to understand what the heck you all are talking about ( pardon my strong words )??
    My thoughts are so simple…..
    WHEN God ask those priests to follow and provide the money AND food or clothing to the needed ones.. yet I see those days are all about vanity ??? Explain that?? All I honestly see is pure greedy people.. power people whom actually thinks they own us… control us through White house laws that does NOT match God’s laws ?? Aye, shameful… Padron me for speaking so little because of things I have seen and listened for so long.. I see.. many are missing the extreme real point what God truly try to get everyone’s attentions. *sigh *

    What’s more do I need to say? none…
    What’s more does God want to say? LOTS! especially with his wrath.

    … Naw.. Just ingore me.. I am only speak the real truth that I barely can hold back. You all have a wonderful and beautiful.. safe day :)… Many blessings….

  43. Blessed, blessed WORD!!! Thank you! I just shared on my FB wall….people get so upset when you try to speak on this subject, and share the truth with them…. but truth hurts, and the enemy can’t stand to be exposed for the liar and distorter of GOD’s Word that he is. Praise GOD for Truth, and may He always get the Glory!

  44. How does the church building where believers assemble is to be taken care of. You need money to pay for lights, brick, mortor? I agree with what you are stating about preachers should stop equating money as being the seed. True, the word of God is definetly the seed which should produce good fruit on a good tree. thank you for that understanding. but the bible speaks of rendering that which is ceasars and render to God that which is God’s. Jesus watch the people put in money in the treasury while he was in the synagogue and Jesus said the widow put in more that the rich people because she gave out of her living. We are to support the work of God through our finances. Abraham gave tithes to the King of Salem Melchisedic See Hebrews 7:1 and 2. The priesthood the sons of Levi, was commmanded to take tithes of the children of Abraham Hebrews 7:5. We must rightly the divide the word of truth. Line upon line and precept upon precept Isaiah 28:9 and 10. see scriptures paying tribute to Caesar, Matt 22:15-22; Mark 12:13-17; Luke 20:20-26. See scriptures on the widow’s mite Lev. 27:30; Mark 12:41-44; Luke 21:1-4. In Moses’ day God commanded the Children of Isreal to give a tenth of seed from the land or the fruit of the tree. That is why in Malachi 3:10 The Word of God says, Bring ye all the tithes into the storehous, (the fruit of the land or the fruit of the tree) that there ay be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a clessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Since, we Americans have gotten away form an agrerian culture the only thing we can sow is the first fruits of our increase after working on a job is “money”. Malachi 3:8 and 9 says ” will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. “ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Lone upon line precept upon precept here a little there a little. Jeus said he did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. If tithing was required at the hand of Moses for the Children of Isreal, we are Abrahams seed and we are rquired to obey the scripture and give a tenth of what we gross in ur income. The bible said you will be cursed. No, we are not under the law but under grace, but our pasor has taught us that grace is tighter than the law. Grace is the unmerited favor of God. We cannot buy his grace for by grace we are saved not of works lest any man should boast. But after we get saved God requires us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling and faith without works is dead. So when I give my required tenth of my gross income, yes I am looking for the promise of God that he will rebuke the devour for my sake and God will pour me out a blessing I will not have room enough to receive. The bible states it is more blessed to give that to receive. This means money, time, service, etc. May The lord God minister his truth through the Holy Ghost. Amen

    • hi Lorraine

      Your pastor, sincere as he may be, first has to learn and obey the law before he can use it.

      It is not the tithe, but the temple tax, that is used for “building maintenance.”

      Remember, Jesus sent people to get a coin out of the fish’s mouth to pay the temple tax. That is what that story was about.

      This is what Jews use, which they now call temple dues or tax, and this takes care of the building. Usually this is about $800 – $1000 a year per person. At least in America….The Jews should know, they have been at this for 4000 years.

      It is the offering that is used for the salary of the rabbi, not the tithe.

      The tithe is food, not money, and is ONLY to be used as a communion meal between god and the giver, and to be shared with the poor.

      Today this is not done. Instead, the money is used for the building and the pastor’s salary. There is no communion meal each time the tithe is given, and the poor get hardly anything, if not nothing.

      Today, the church is a business with expenses never intended by the early church.

      Moses, Jesus and the apostles never asked, or received a salary. And they worked 24/7. Modern pastors work very little in comparison, and take the tithe as their own salary. also, buildings are too elaborate.

      Remember, the others did not have a building and preached in the open, with no place to lay their head at night. None owned a home because they were traveling constantly. Today, pastors are spoiled. Also, the others worked and supported themselves. They were fishermen, and Paul was a tent maker. They accepted offerings but NEVER touched the tithe.

      Notice also that the early believers were more effective than we are today. Their lifestyle was much more pure and unselfish. Today, it is a business, and everyone gets paid.

      So, today, people do not render unto God what is God’s. The tithe is God’s private communion meal with the believer.

      It used to be that the priest had to be present to offer the sacrifice, but now that is not necessary. Jesus is the priest AND the sacrifice, so we just come and offer ourselves. So, technically, outside of newborn believers who need some guidance and teaching, we do not need pastors, if we are mature sheep.

      https://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tithing-for-jews-and-christians-for-internet-pdf-conversion.pdf

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/108/

      If you study, you will see what I say is true. In the near future, churches will suffer because they lost their first love, and have become part of the world in their system of doing things. They need to return to the pure roots.

  45. hello marianne you are mistaken you added to the tax situation it was to may taxes. My bible does not say temple tax. My pastor does know how to follow the leading of the Lord and he has signs following him which makes Him a true Apostle. You have to rightly divid the word of truth with the Holy Ghost teaching you all things.

  46. Also, Marrianne, Peter had a wife and Jesus went to his house to heal this mother-in-law. God said he would that we prosper be in health as our soul prospers. Job was the riches man that ever lived. He had a house. You are not thinking right. It is God’s will that we have a house to live in and be in health as our soul prospers. Jesus was poor but he made many rich spiritually and naturally. God doesn’t walking around an not have a place to lay our heads. Going around like we are some Jesus freaks. Be real. PaUL spoke of some believers had church in their house! I am through with this conversation I will stop responding to anything on this website because you all are mixing people up who do not want to live a clean, holy life and every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God. good bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • dear Lorraine

      You did not understand what I sent you, or the links.

      It is called the temple tax today, back then they referred to it as the shekel for the sanctuary. Each family, or single man, gave a shekel, for the maintenance of the sanctuary. There are 25 references to this in the OT. Jesus also paid this with the coin in the fish’s mouth.

      Your pastor sounds like a prosperity preacher. I am sorry about that. Jesus himself said he had no place to lay his head. You should have recognized that reference when I said it. You say he has signs following him. Not all signs and wonders are from God.

      You obviously have not read the bible on your own, or absorbed its contents, or you would not be insisting that the apostles were well off because they had a house. They had a house to begin with before they met Jesus. None of them had a $300,000 mortgage paid for by the church. I have been to Israel and I have seen Peter’s house. It is about 250 sq feet.

      What I told you is true. You do not know the word of God, or you would not have these arguments, which are based on a commercialized interpretation of the bible.

      I wish you well, and your pastor well. I hope someday you will consider what I say, and study this on your own.

  47. I believe God wants us to sow money to support the Kingdom of God. If the money is not given into the church offerings, then the poor, which are sometime believer will have to turn to the world for help. God intended for us to sow money. Read your bible and pray for revelation. Please there are too many of us believers in the Lord Jesus Christ that are fighting against His Will. I pray the that the whole body of Christ be perfect and complete in all the Will of God.

  48. 1) What so ever you sow you shal reap. That is Word, kindness, clothes, help, love, money etc…..
    2) How do we rob God. By not giving the small percentage back from the big amount he trusts us with.
    3) We must give out of every coin what belongs to the tax man and what belongs to God.
    4) Giving money to the church is a sign of obedience and that He can trust you with more.
    5) Nobody owns anything. If you did then you can take it with you when you die. You are only a steward of it.
    6) What better tool to test a mans haert with than money?
    7) Do you love God or Mammon (god of money)?

    If you have any problem giving money that do not belong to you in the first place back to the church then you are operating in a wrong system where money have controll over you.

    Think about it. 120 years from now nobody including the babies born today will live anymore, but the new generation will still chase after the same things we do today. Why hold back financial support to the church and steal yourself bankrupt with blessings from God?

  49. I have been watching some preacher on christian tv, some I really like and do fill one with hope, thou some scare me. On God tv, they had a preacher lately doing the sew a seed money routine, but this guy said its a sign off faith, that money is just the way to show God we believe and as we send in a prayer request with No money well your in trouble, I do not know if others heard it, but it was very well done and confinsing enough too have 1000 off people start pouring in money to back up their prayers. the thing that I can not understand is why dont people stop and say well I can give my thousand to this or that need, why do they feel it has to be a Christian program, anyway if we do not get some right teachings on these network soon so many people will be lost.

    • hi Valerie

      That man is a crook. Do not send him money.

      He is not god, and if you send him money, you are not giving to god. You are just sending your money to some guy on TV.

      It is best to give money directly to the poor, if you want blessings.

      The bible says not to give money to the rich.

      Giving money is not a test of your faith. It is a test of your wisdom.

      Use your brains, and make sure who you give money to really deserves it and needs it.

  50. There is a very powerful mind control virus in all electronics designed to steal the word … here is an email i wrote to marianne and they wouldn’t let me send it. i had pictures of my tv glitching to the mind control virus.. here is the email…

    also there is a very severe and very advanced mind control virus in all electronics, tv, radio, computers, cellphone, cars, air conditioning, everything electoninc. here is a picture of it screwing up my tv, it follows my train of thought very closely and also since its a mind control device it has also infected people and they are doing noise pollution and mind control through themselves as well.

    another note, they wont let me send this email, it had an error 5 times so far… im gonna try to compose an entirely new one

    ok now 6th time it wouldnt send, someone doesn’t want me to send this email

  51. I was scratching on the internet looking for something that would help me choose a ‘God’. (I can no longer live without something to believe in).
    thus I search.

    The way you Christians treat each other is despicable. I stumbled upon this site a broken man and am broken further by your dissentive arrogance and judgement upon one another.

    I have no doubt that God exists and surely he is filled with more grace than you display here. You call each other liars and judge each other’s motives as if you have the right and authority to do so.

    The biggest fool knows that you build nothing by breaking it down.

    Really. I cannot express my disappointment at what i see here.

    Your God may be great but his children are out of order.

    If you are his marketing campaign, he needs a new agency.

    I am a broken sinner, searching for a loving God so I don’t know as much as you all do, but I can tell you this:

    From an outsider’s point of view you are all on the same team representing the same God whether you like it or not and how you deal with each other will determine whether or not people like me want to join your family.

    • Dear Broken man

      I am sorry to hear you had that impression of this page.

      The purpose of this post is to expose error in the church, have people discuss or debate whether this is true or not, and then arrive at the truth, according to what the Word of God actually says. If people disagree during a discussion, it does not mean they are in discord.

      Many doctrines that people follow are made up by man, not God. This is where the arrogance and bondage lies. When we fully understand what the true interpretation of the Word is, we feel much more free.

      What is being broken down is error and intentional greed by those who manipulate the Word for their own benefit and profit.

      What should be built up is the spirit of man, as he finally gets free of falsehood, since now he can see God as benevolent, and not oppressive, as many portray him. It is hard to love a God that wants you to remain in poverty as others make money off your needy condition.

      As a broken sinner, like us, you need what is true and pure. You do not need the lies of man to make you feel worse, or to rob you blind.

      The freedom is to know that God is our provider, not our task master, standing over us with a whip, demanding all that we have, so we can starve, and not pay our bills. This is why Jesus overthrew the tables of the money changers in the temple. They had converted the temple into a place of money, which contaminated the atmosphere of prayer.

      I hope you understand the purpose here better now. I have over 500 pages, and most discussions are quite friendly.

      I pray that you do find and feel the love of God in your life. The love of God and the love of his Word is the driving force behind this site. I spend all day and much of the night helping people with their questions, and praying with them. I take time for each person. And I do this without asking for money or recognition. I sell nothing. the love of God is free. Jesus paid for everything on the cross, when he died for our salvation.

  52. I give as my heart leads me. I also help everyone I can all the time. I feelthat I am doing the will of God (that is what I believe sowing seeds is.) This thing about giving all this money every week/month to a church does not cut it with me. Why give 4 or 5 hundred a month in the church plate for it to sit or be used for the pastor to live a lavish life style when there are people all around you al the time in need. Does that make sense? I don’t need the church to feed the hungry for me, or to bring food to someone whose hungry, or to pay for an elderly person;s medicine. If you want to do the will of God, using Jesus as an example then get up and act like it. Move around and do some good for humanity. This is what you call sowing your seeds, but in other places , (give enough to keep the utilities on in the church but start giving directly to the needy where you can see where your money is going and you can feel happy about yourself, this is where God will pour out your blessings. You who are reading this, know that I am telling the truth.

  53. Someone said that this thing about giving ten percent was in the old testament and not the new testament? Can anyone get me straight on that, for I thought we are suppose to be living by the new testament. I really don’t know the bible like the back of my hand so I need some help please.

    • hi Bea

      the old testament tithe was just for the high priest, and just for the temple in jerusalem.

      It was not for gentiles to make money from.

      there is no tithe in the NT.

      It is just free will offerings, as our heart leads us.

  54. Word of faith teacing is one of the most erroneous doctrines to seep into Christemdom and the seed doctrine has been perverted like so many others. The problem with these self proclaimed prophets and apostles is that they take SOME truth and mix it with error. I go to a church where we tithe and I will continue to do so because the tithe we give is used to maintain our church, a number of ministries in the church which affect the community and assst in evangelism and mission. However I have a major problem with the seed doctrine that has become popular. I give not so that I can receive but to please God and do what He says. When I have needs I ask God to intervene that may mean giving wisdom in a certain area of my life or using someone to bless me financially or a business opportunity but to give and somehow believe that I can manipulate God to give me a thousand pounds is heresy

  55. I can honestly say that this page has blessed me. i have seen people speaking to eachother in a manner that doesnt seem christ like, but that just shows that we are not perfect. with that said, the page and people on it are showing a true concern and desire to know the truth. By reading what is here they seek the truth. Now there are many opinions i see but there are many bible related facts. First i need to say thank you to the pastors out there that are doing God’s will. Next i must say that i see too many giving too much credit to the pastors when the Glory goes to God. We all must minister to eachother. I don’t think any of us will be viewed horribly by our Lord and savior because he loves us and i believe that he knows our hearts and as we continue seeking him , i believe that he will reveal more truths. I must admit that i agree with the creator of this page on tithes and seed. I always felt strange in my life as i was asked to give a certain amount of anything. I am a giver by nature. Nothing pleases me more than to give and especially to give a meal to anyone. It is a personal joy that to me also feels spiritual. I am very sensitive so when i give it is always from the heart and i ask God in prayer to guide me in my giving. Some say i give to much (mind you i am poor as far as finances). Giving to me is part of Gods plan and those of us who seek him will probably automatically be giving individuals. I have been in need and i can say that i did not get help from a church, it was a rough time and still is. I decided that it wouldnt be wise to go against the word and judge as we are told to love and forgive. What i see on this page is people sharing and i myself came to this page to get educated on a subject that i was not too sure about. And if God led me here then somewhere here lies the truth. Seek and you shall find. I am not angry at any of the opinions of anyone on this page. It shows that everyone is thinking and truly wants whats best and as we pray for eachother we will find the answer. With that said facts are facts. This may seem like a bunch of mumbo jumbo but i honestly want to welcome the broken man to this page and tell him that Jesus loves him, nomatter how messed up we may all seem. Please know that we love you too and we are humbled by what you wrote, at least i can say i am. I am broken too and i pray that we ae led by God’s hand to the promise land by continuing to seek the truth, the word, the seed. I thank everyone here and i pray that you continue to do God’s work. Be open to anyone coming in and giving us their take on this subject and others. We may be blessed by opinions being facts or opinions being corrected. At the end of the day , the word corrects us all. We are not perfect but are made perfect through him. We are a work in progress. I pray that we all can be obediant and see eachother in heaven including myself. it is hard these days, but we must call upong the only one who can help us get where we need to be. When we don’t know something this scripture may help. Psalm 46:10 Be still and know that i am God… It is my favorite. Sometimes we put too much pressure on ourselves and that is when we should let go and let God or Be Still and wait on God. Sometimes it feels like we are waiting forever but the lords promises are worth waiting for. He knows us and he knows what we need. I pray that we all get answers that are according to God’s will. God bless you and thank you for writing. thank you Marianne. I have been questioning this for a long time and i didn’t have the courage to place it into debate until today and if we don’t stand up for the things we need to know then how will we know. I appreciate your comments on this because it is what i have always believed. Now i can continue studying and you have given great reference points where i have missed out. Don’t give up. Sometimes people will judge us ,maybe because our delivery isnt quite as inviting as we would like but i myself have delivered messages in messy manners, not that you have but those that are thinking we all have. To sum up we are all not perfect but we all love the Lord Jesus Christ our Lord and savior and that makes me feel good. For those who think that Marianne is not on track, i would look at her references first. It is easy in this world to get offended, it is harder to admit that we may be wrong. If there is a chance that Marianne is wrong i know she would want to be corrected, after all that is why she created the page. God bless you. Broken man, you are in the perfect place for God to start building you up. Lean on him and not on your own understanding, as i say these words i say them to myself as well. I thank God that you seek him, and he loves you so much.

  56. Just thought i would add a little something 🙂
    Most people expect God’s Word to work like a stick of dynamite — but God’s Word is seed. We know because of what Jesus said.

    LUKE 8:11
    11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

    The Holy Spirit, through Peter, also said God’s Word is a seed.

    1 PETER 1:23
    23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

    God’s Word is alive. Just like a seed — the Bible is full of unseen life.

    JOHN 6:63
    63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

    Jesus said His words are alive. They contain life. The words in your Bible may look lifeless and powerless. Seeds do, too. But they are not without life or power.

    In Mark 4:30-31, Jesus explained that the kingdom of God works like a seed. So, if we are to understand God’s kingdom and how He operates, we need to understand seeds.

    Seeds

    * A seed is alive: it contains life.

    Your physical senses are incapable of judging whether a seed is alive or not. You cannot see, feel, hear, smell, or taste the life in a seed. There is only one way to prove a seed is alive — plant it.

    * A seed does nothing until planted.

    Seeds do not grow sitting in a sack on your shelf. They must be planted in the proper place.

    If you desire the Word of God to produce in your life, you must decide to plant the Word in your heart and mind.

    The best way to plant the seed of God’s Word in your life is by speaking the Word. Hearing others speak the Word is good — but will not produce as bountiful a harvest as speaking the Word yourself.

    Speaking God’s Word with your mouth is essential. As we speak God’s Word we are planting the seed in our heart for the harvest of results we desire.

    ROMANS 10:10
    10 For with the heart one believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.

    Whatever you need to be saved or delivered from, confession (what you say) is essential.

    * A seed is much smaller than the plant it produces.

    The problem you face may seem huge. In comparison, a scripture may seem very small. But when planted, that Word will grow in you and overcome the problem.

    * A seed always produces after its kind.

    GALATIANS 6:7
    7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.

    Whatever you need, or desire, find scriptures relating to that. Then plant those scriptures inside you in abundance. Those seeds will grow up and produce a harvest of what you need or desire.

    * A seed is powerful.

    As a seed begins to grow, it will push up dirt, rocks, etc. Whatever the obstacles are, God’s Word planted in your heart will push them out of the way.

    * A seed begins its growth in secret (underground).

    The only way to tell if a seed is growing is to dig it up, or wait for a plant to appear. If you dig up a seed, you may kill it.

    * A seed takes time to produce.

    No one expects a seed to produce a harvest the same day that seed is planted.

    Sometimes the Word of God seems to spring up and bear fruit immediately. Yet, if we knew the details, we would understand that the fruit of the Word grew in that person’s life over time.

    * A seed is persistent.

    A seed never gives up, but works day and night. Even when you are sleeping, the seed you have planted is working to grow and express itself in a fruitful harvest.

    * A seed is not affected by other seeds.

    Whatever happens to other seeds does not make any difference to a specific seed. Each seed sticks to its own task. One wheat seed planted in a corn field will still produce wheat. Seed does not become discouraged, or quit, even if other seeds die.

    * A seed will stop growing without nourishment.

    Planting a seed is not enough to assure a harvest. Seed must be protected and taken care of until harvest time. A seed which is dug up, or not watered, will not produce.

    * More seeds planted produce a larger harvest.

    2 CORINTHIANS 9:6
    6 But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.

    Think on these truths about seeds. Allow the Holy Spirit to help you apply them to the role of God’s Word in your life.

  57. To God be the glory, of course Marianne. Thank you for allowing me to be a part of this thread. God bless you. i will be checking in.

  58. God’s blessings in the New Covenant (after the cross) are not dependent on our knack to impress Him with our law keeping, in this case, our ability to give money. If we really had to sow money to receive God’s blessings, it wouldn’t be called “grace” anymore, would it? Because the beauty of grace is in the fact that it took everything we deserved (punishment for sin) and was placed on Jesus and that He freely gave us everything which we didn’t deserve, namely love, forgiveness, blessings, salvation, healing, finances, etc. So by teaching people that they need to tithe first in order for God to bless them, is essentially throwing God’s free gift back into His face and opting to buy it from Him instead. We are His sons and daughters with an inheritance, not servants earning wages.

  59. Gal. 2:20 “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me”.

    Eph. 1:3 “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ”.

    We must sow what has been sown into us — Jesus Christ.
    In so doing, through the “SEED” of Abraham, all nations will be blessed.

    Matt. 25:34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by Father, take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me’ “.

    Col. 1:7 “…Christ in you, the hope of glory”.

    • I like William’s comment very much.

      Mat 13:23 And he that was sown upon the GOOD GROUND, this is he that hears the word, and understands it; who verily bears fruit, and brings forth, some a 100-fold, some 60, some 30.
      Mat 13:24 Another parable set he before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man that sowed GOOD SEED in his field:

  60. There is a very good article on this subject @
    http://www.pursuingthetruth.org
    “Tithing, Giving, Sowing and Reaping”

    Church leaders need to be careful about what they promote and ask believers to support. It seems to me, that we (the Church) have wrongly defined “kingdom or spiritual success/growth”.

    I have heard a minister state, “If you don’t build bigger and better, the people want come and they want stay”.

    Today, Churches are sending tithe notifications and asking their members to make sacrificial offerings to meet budgets and sustain large organizations. It is no wonder the “sowing & reaping” message is spreading.

    In the letters to the “seven churches” in Revelation, some churches had serious problems. Jesus did not tell the beleivers who had not stained their garments to leave and start another church or movement. Repentance and faithfulness was His message.

    Let us give to each other, the same grace and mercy we have received from the Father in Christ.

    Be a cheerful giver, of all the things you have been freely given!

  61. The reason there’s so much religious trickery in many churches is because there is so many bible illiterates who are fed hand me down messages and have not read the entire bible word for word starting in Genesis to the end of Revelation for themselves.

    Many preachers teach as if the Old Covenant laws were also binding laws for New Covenant Gentile Christians. NOT SO! Most Christians are clueless as to the New Covenant gift of Grace they have been freely given because of their faith in Jesus. All Christians need a full understanding of what happened on the cross when Jesus said Paid in Full, as in It is finished means.

    The Passover High Holy Day is approaching for Orthodox Jews. God told the Nation of Israel to remember to celebrate their deliverance from Egypt forever as a Memorial to him. How many Gentile Christians even know what day the Passover is on, let alone celebrate this day? Yet preachers pick out Malachi 3:8-10 which was just one law out of a total of 613 Old Covenant law that God mandated. Goggle Judaism 101 613 Levitical laws for the rest. James 2:10 said breaking one law made one guilty of breaking them all. However, most Christians will be hard pressed to name the original ten, let alone all 613!

  62. Galatians 3:13 “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us– for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE “–

    Galatians 3:14 “so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith”

    Hebrews 8:6 “But now Jesus, our High Priest, has been given a ministry that is far superior to the old priesthood, for he is the one who mediates for us a far better covenant with God, based on better promises”.

    Hebrews 8:7 “For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another”.

    Hebrews 7:12 “For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well”.

    Acts 13:39
    ..and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

    Colossians 2 :14 “by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

    Romans 8:32 “Since God did not spare his only Son but gave him up for us all, surely he will also with him FREELY GIVE US ALL THINGS.

    Romans 10:4 ” Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes”

    John 19:30 “Paid in Full, It is Finished”

    The above scriptures pretty much puts holes in the Malachi 3:8-10 and that curse preachers try to fear & guilt Christians with to enforce tithing ten percent of every dollar. I may not be the brightest person that ever lived but I do understand you can’t be cursed while redeemed from the curse and I do understand verse 14 said The Blessings of Abraham come from Jesus and faith in the promise.

    I also understand the one time Tithe Abraham gave from the spoils of war
    (what he took from the war he won) is not the same as the way they teach Christians to tithe continuously from every dollar all the time.

  63. It seems to me that you went all out of the way to interpret seed time and harvest, what you just might accomplish is to stop many people that are already confused about giving from paying tithes and offerings. Will a man rob God? Read Malachi 3:8-10.
    In the book of Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for what so ever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
    The emphasis is on whatsoever, (whatever).
    If you sow evil, you will reap evil, if you sow good you will reap good, if you sow financially you will reap financially.
    In our giving, while God requires us to pay our tithes and offerings so that the church can operate in a sufficient manner, after all if the church can’t pay the electric bill, the water or heating bill it can slow things down a bit, what do you think

    Dr Robert L Watson

    • dear Dr Watson

      First of all, if people want to do this, this is their right.

      Show me in scripture if you sow money, you get money back.

      If I plant a dollar bill, it will rot.

      If I invest money in a church, or other place, there is no guarantee that I will get money back. Actually, I have experienced more money problems while tithing, and more blessings when I didn’t. Someone else may have a different experience.

      As for what god requires of believers in the NT, we should look in the NT, not the old, as the old was nailed to the cross.

      A discussion of my thoughts on tithing is here:

      https://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tithing-for-jews-and-christians-for-internet-pdf-conversion.pdf

      Again, people will do what they feel is right, but this is my view.

      I do support the idea of offerings for a church that is active in winning the lost, and teaching new converts.

      best wishes 🙂

    • Dr. Watson, any appeal for money that promises you something from God in return is not true biblical giving and is a perversion of the Gospel. God’s blessings & promises can’t be bought. It’s only by Grace that Jesus has given us all of His provision FREELY not by our efforts! -Gal. 1:6, Acts 8:20, Rom. 11:6. When we give in order to get in return the heart of giving is changed. It is about true biblical love – An unselfish love that gives and expects nothing in return. Giving under the NT is what you purpose in your heart (cheerfully) -2 Cor. 9:7 not a 10% law imposed upon as in the OT. God’s blessings in the New Covenant (after the cross) are not dependent on our knack to impress Him with our law keeping, in this case, our ability to give money. If we really had to sow money to receive God’s blessings, it wouldn’t be called “grace” anymore, would it? Because the beauty of grace is in the fact that it took everything we deserved (punishment for sin) and was placed on Jesus and that He freely gave us everything which we didn’t deserve, namely love, forgiveness, blessings, salvation, healing, finances, etc. So by teaching people that they need to tithe first in order for God to bless them, is essentially throwing God’s free gift back into His face and opting to buy it from Him instead. We are we are sons and daughters with an inheritance, not servants earning wages.

  64. The Church amid their tithing rants, and obligatory giving has expelled grace giving. They allow no opportunity for the children of God to use any discernment or spiritual intelligence when it’s time to give. Instead, many pastors preach on Sunday morning, that 10% of your overall income belongs to this organization. No discernment allowed. No Spirit guidance. No and’s, if’s, or but’s about it. The children of God who are reborn in his Spirit are not allowed to exercise the gift of giving. Churches say that we are allowed to practice Spirit-led giving with offerings, but first we must meet the tithing obligation. Many pastors think that if we were left up to grace giving without a standard to uphold, then everyone would would stop giving. This is not just a judgment on human kind, it is also a judgment on the Spirit of God. Isn’t the Spirit capable of calling and equipping people to perform ministry? There is no command to feed a certain amount of poor people. Also there is no command to witness to a certain amount of unsaved. Neither of these endeavors have ceased just because there is no minimum requirement that we had to meet. It takes faith on behalf of churches and pastors to allow the Holy Spirit to direct people in giving rather than rely on a law (10%) that enables a predictable amount of income each week. With grace giving, the amount is unpredictable, and it shows how tithing has been the security blanket for church budgets and pastoral salaries for ages. Grace giving has been expelled because it makes pastoral salaries, and church budgets nervous. Pastors, if you truly want your congregation to be led by the Spirit, then let’s begin with your pocket book. It’s funny how churches extract their finances from their attendees but expect the people to use their faith to get theirs from God.

  65. In the Book of Acts, it says that the grace of God was so strongly at work that no one had any needs and that some would sell what they owned and give it to the apostles to distribute to the ones who needed it.

    Today, the money is given to pastors to pay for building fees for megachurches and so that highly paid professional pastors can go on expensive cruises or trips to Hawaii with people’s tithe money, while the congregants struggle to pay their bills and put food on the table.

    Something is very, very wrong.

  66. SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT HERE, IM SO CONFUSED ON THE MATTER OF FINANCIAL PROSPERITY, I KNOW THAT GOD TALKS ABOUT US PROSPERING AS OUR SOUL PROSPERS, AND SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM AND ALL THESE THINGS SHALL BE ADDED UNTO YOU, ITS NOT A SIN TO BE RICH, GOD HIMSELF CHOOSES WHO WILL BE THE RICH AND THE POOR, BUT I DO KNOW ALSO THAT IM MORE BLESSED TO BE POOR AS I HAVE TO LEAN MORE HEAVILY ON HIM TO PROVIDE FOR MY NEEDS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY BRINGS ME CLOSER TO HIM, SO IM RICHER THAN THE RICH BUT NOT IN THE FINANCIAL SENSE, THATS NOT TO SAY THAT I WOULD TURN AWAY FINANCIAL PROSPERITY BECAUSE I HAVE DESIRES THAT WOULD NEED EXTREME FINANCIAL PROVISION, BUT SO FAR NEITHER MY HEARTS DESIRE OR FINANCIAL BLESSING TO SEE IT COME TO PASS HAVE YET MANIFESTED, I THINK A BALANCED VIEW ON THE SUBJECT IS NEEDED HERE, ITS WRONG TO BE A PULLPIT MONEY MAKER I KNOW THAT, BUT IF A PERSONS REASONS FOR WANTING TO BE RICH ARE HONORABLE AND GODLY THEN GOD WILL MAKE A WAY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, THERES ONE SCRIPTURE WHICH OFFERS A LITERAL MEANING FOR WHAT IS SOWN, AND THAT IS,’ WHAT WE SOW IN TEARS WE WILL REAP IN JOY’, SO LETS AS OUR HEAVENLY DAD WHAT THE LITERAL MEANINGS ARE FOR THE OTHER SOWING SCRIPTURES, ANY WAY BOTHERS AND SISTERS I HOPE TO HAVE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS, AND LETS MAKE SURE WE ALL DO EVERYTHING IN LOVE, LETS JUST DO WHAT WE DO SIMPLY BECAUSE WE LOVE OUR JESUS. GOD BLESS YOU’S. DENEAZE

    • DENEAZE,

      MONEY IS NOT EVIL.
      MONEY IS A TOOL THAT CAN BE EITHER USED TO HELP OTHERS, (OUT OF A LOVING HEART), AND BLESS THEM WITH THE NECESSITY’S OF LIFE.

      OR, IT CAN BECOME AN IDOL.

      IN MATTHEW 6:24. THE LORD OUR GOD OF SALVATION SAY’S, “NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS: FOR EITHER HE WILL HATE THE ONE, AND LOVE THE OTHER; OR ELSE HE WILL HOLD TO THE ONE, AND DESPISE THE OTHER. YE CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON.”

      THE BOTTOM-LINE IS THE HEART OF WHO HAS IT.
      DO THEY UTILIZE IT FREELY FOR THE LOVING BENEFIT OF OTHERS, OR DO THEY HOLD ON TO IT TIGHTLY, WITHIN GRASPED FIST?

      IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH THE HEART, AND WHETHER YOU HAVE THE LORD’S HEART.

      BE BLESSED IN THE LORD OUR GOD.
      SHALOM

    • Thank you Deneaze for the comment. I agree that if someone can be trusted with money, that God may bless them, knowing they will share what they have. Not many people are like that, but I want to allow for the small group who would be generous, and not selfish.

      • Marianne,

        When you found out about my poverty, you offered me help right away.

        Though I didn’t except it, (being aware of your own situation, and knowing in my own heart that the Lord my God provides), you demonstrated the Lords heart.

        King David was a man after the LORDS own Heart.
        You are a daughter that does the same.
        I love you.

        Be Blessed in the HOLY GOD OF OUR SALVATION. AMEN.

  67. THANKYOU

    • DENEAZE,

      YOU ARE WELCOME.
      I HOPE THAT WHAT MARIANNE AND I SAID MADE SENSE FOR YOU.

      BE LEAD BY THE SPIRIT.
      TRUST THAT GOD THE FATHER DOES THINGS THAT WE SIMPLY DON’T UNDERSTAND. (TRUST ME ON THAT ONE. LOL.) BUT THAT THEY ARE ALL FOR HIS GLORY AND HIS PURPOSE.

      KEEP THE FAITH IN OUR LORD AND KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN LOVING HANDS NO MATTER WHAT YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES ARE.

      BE BLESSED.

  68. THANKYOU GUYS SO VERY MUCH, I NEED LOTS OF ENCOURAGEMENT AND PRAYERS AT THE MOMENT, MAY I OFFER ANY UP FOR YOU GUYS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, GODS BLESSINGS. DENEAZE

  69. DENEAZE,

    SURE…. PRAYERS FOR EACHOTHER ARE ALWAYS WELCOME.

    “YOU CAN PRAY THAT I FULFILL WHAT IS GODS WILL FOR ME SHORTLY.
    THAT HE BE MY STRENGTH IN MY WEAKNESS, AND THAT HE BE GLORIFIED BY MY HUMBLE OBEDIENCE.”

    THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. 🙂

    I WILL PRAY THAT HE PROVIDES YOU WITH BOTH TRUST AND FAITH.

    BE BLESSED IN THE LORD GOD OF OUR SALVATION.

  70. Thank you so much for the truth that is needed in this hour and in our days. This is a message needed to reach Christians all over the world.
    Blessing

  71. everyone let us stop arguing.let each one prepare the way because JESUS is COMING.Are you ready, are your personal spiritual robes clean and spotless.Let us Repent.JESUS is coming for a Holy church. Am in Kenya, land of rndtime revival. JESUS healed me of hiv/aids from positive to hiv Negative-JESUS of Nazareth my Healer. Please also see http://www.repentandpreparetheway.org

  72. This is wonderful!!!! Was sent here by accident but was speaking the word over my seed tithes & offerings…looked up a scripture ran into this page!!! THANK U MARIANNE….very much I’m enlighten..God had a way of showing & teaching us things bringing light…pray for me my son…I’m single mom, that loves the Lord..& confused with tithes & the commitments were taught to make in ministry…

    • dear Lavice

      I am glad you are reassured. God does not need your money, just your heart. The church should be helping single moms, not the other way around.

  73. Only less than 5% of Christians tithe, thank God He doesn’t need to depend on us. I’m wondering why there’s so much debate on tithing since people don’t do it anyway. Money indeed takes hold of so many, including Christians. Tithe is an excellent gauge of how much we love mammon. Think of it, It’s only 10%, and there’s already so much arguments. Our God deserves much more than that.

  74. Giving to receive is a natural thing. Even Jesus gave to receive. He gave his life in hopes to receive your love and soul. You give your belief in him in hopes to receive eternal life. By faith it is done. Giving to get isn’t wrong until love and faith isn’t at the heart of the action. God know’s your heart and your motives. He also knows you have dreams, goals, and desires. He also know’s you need resources to help facilitate that. It is also written,

    “But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.” Matthew 6:33

    (I’m sure we all need help in seeking God first from time to time)

    “Commit thy works unto the LORD, and your plans will succeed.”
    Proverbs 16:3

    There’s nothing wrong with pastors who preach prosperity if their intent is to develop the faith of the children of God. Often times we get caught up in what the pastor or church is going to do with our hard earned money. First off it’s God’s money.

    “The silver is mine and the gold is mine,’ declares the Lord” Haggai 2:8

    Secondly, one shouldn’t worry about another’s instructions with God’s money. It’s enough for each individual to focus on his own instructions. If that leader violates what God has them to do then judgment is the Lord’s not ours. You can take comfort in knowing judgement is more strict on them.

    “Dear brothers and sisters, not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged more strictly.” James 3:1

    It’s hard enough judging ourselves accurately let alone someone else who we don’t spend nearly as much time with.
    _____________________________________

    Concerning Tithes and 10%:

    The 10% rule is not as concrete in the New Testament and seems to be open for interpretation. This scripture helps shed a little light.

    1 Corinthians 16:2

    On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

    Key words: Should set aside, In keeping

    We should tithe in keeping with our income. We’re free to tithe more or less than 10%. With the way things are now I’m sure a lot of people’s income is up and down so your giving will probably reflect that. Each person would have to take an honest evaluation of their self. Giving a portion back to God shows you love and trust him to provide. He really doesn’t need his dime back, he’ll be fine without it. It’s more about your heart and showing that you understand the principle.
    _____________________________________

    Now concerning seeds:

    Sowing and reaping are basic kingdom principles. The seed isn’t just money, it isn’t just the word of God. It’s both of those things and much more. There are an incalculable amount of seeds that God gives to the sower. Obedience is a seed for reward. Asking is the seed for receiving. Faith in Christ is the seed for eternal life.

    Seed is basically that which can be given up and cultivated into more by. Sowing is an exercise in faith. Just like earthly seeds need human care to grow, so does your spiritual seeds. Your spiritual seeds need prayer and faith to grow. God also know’s what you stand in need of and he knows what you’re able to sow. There’s no pressure with God.

    Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”
    2 Corinthians 9:7

    Key Words: The Whole verse lol

    You have a choice to give or not. However there is a spiritual principle with an earthly incentive to give.

    “Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 2 Corinthians 9:6

    So giving makes you a receiver by default. Also, when you give that which you hold dear of, it show’s faith that you’re not ruled by those things but rather by the word and promises of God. For most people the thing they hold dearly of is in their purse or wallet so there’s always a lot of emotion when being asked to part with it. A person on their death bed would probably hold more dearly of their time so asking them to help you trivial tasks could be considered high pressure. If they agree to do it anyway oh how blessed are they! That’s love.

    When you give freely you can also receive freely from God because of the measure in which you are using.

    Luke 6:38
    Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

    Sometimes he gives to you when you have not sown because his grace is just that good. There are seasons in life where God’s favor just spills over and you begin reaping where you have not sown.

    Once you start operating with the spiritual laws and promises God has put into place you’ll find out that he gave us the ability to give so that we may begin to experience even more of the blessings he has for us. The problem most people face is an attachment to things like money, food, time etc… Plus, we tend to be naturally selfish. So when it’s asked to sacrifice we freeze up. Lord know’s I freeze up when it comes to sharing chocolate but I’ll give you a dollar faster than a narcissist can say the word “Me”
    ________________________________________

    Now Concerning Giving And NOT Receiving what you asked for:

    “When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.”
    James 4:3

    If you asked for something, haven’t received it, and are still alive, You could have had the wrong motive or you still could be waiting. God’s timing may have out ran your patience. lol So sit tight, have faith because he still wants to bless you.

    “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!”
    Matthew 7:9-11

    You can give money and not necessarily receive money, same how you can give time but may not receive more time back. It’s more about what you need at the time. Sometimes you may not be able to handle what you’re asking for so God wouldn’t give it to you if it he felt it would hurt you.

    To sum up my thoughts in conjunction with this thread, there’s nothing wrong with the prosperity Gospel or “prosperity preachers.” Many Christians need help in the area of finance and God’s supernatural system of sowing and reaping has worked wonders in my life. Some things can only operate to level of your belief. Seed faith works if what you are sacrificially sowing is done out love and faith that God will provide- based on the promises in his word. Sometimes it takes a little more patience than we hope. In that waiting period keep the up the good fight, keep up the faith, keep up the praise. Praise will confuse the enemy.

    In closing, finance is just one part of abundance and prosperity. I pray that God will grant all reading this abundance in the area of wisdom- which is the principle thing.

    “Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.” Proverbs 4:7

    Pray for me. I need help in the area of obedience.

    • dear BW

      If you re read 1 cor 16: 2, you will see that the collection was for the saints in need, not the pastor/preacher. It was also one week of collection, and the apostle would stop by to pick it up. It was not a weekly event. There was no mention of it being a tithe.

      We should give to those in need. Prosperity preachers usually keep the collection for themselves, or building expenses, salaries, etc. The poor get very little or nothing out of what they collect.

      The early church was not a business, like it is today, and the apostles preached for free, and did not collect a salary or try to build buildings with mortages.

      If we really want to reap a blessing, then we should give in secret to those that need our help. The Father in heaven will see this, and reward us accordingly.

  75. Took the words right out of my mouth. Its like everyone forgot that the Word says store up your treasures in Heaven.

  76. The tithe was never money until recent years. It was always intended to be food which was stored up for the priests, the widows, the orphans and the strangers. God never asked us for money because He knew that it would corrupt His priests like it is doing to our pastors today. God told the Jews exactly what he wanted too. It was not left to their imagination. Perhaps, if the congregation would read the Bible for themselves they would not be deceived. Jesus warned us to be aware of these deceptions.

    • the sheep of today are deceived because they will not read the word for themselves. they depend on the pastor to do their thinking for them.

  77. Good to see so many brothers and sisters passionate about wanting to get to the truth of the word of God. As an Engineer i know the only way is by studying for yourself. Here in South Africa chuches are as much on the sowing to give as in USA.Just an example of how the seed faith message has corrupted the mind of a brother in Christ: I undertook a design project where my God-given talent was used and of course years of hard-earned experience. When the bill was presented the customer was surprised and said that he thought i was going to sow my time etc because i was working so passionately. I had to ask him to repeat because it sounded so “far out”. This is a bible college student. What of the lesser “word informed” young Christians? We are to work as unto the Lord and frankly, is there any other way to work, but passionately? A workman is worthy of his hire, so sorry brother, just pay the bill.
    My personal desire for the body of Christ is to come to the unity of faith in Christ, and at least not to spread false doctorine. Will we ever agree on doctorine, i dont know?? Sorry, not a very spiritual post, im an engineer. God is the inventor and master of the mathematics and science that we use to solve problems and the author and finisher of our faith.
    THANK YOU, TO GOD BE THE GLORY

    • norman

      I can relate. I am a biochemist.

      What you are describing is the church expectation of “getting something for nothing.”

      the leaders and staff all want to get paid, but when a church member does a job, then his labor should be free, as if his services are not holy enough to draw a paycheck.

      this is real arrogance. the nicolaitan dominion over the laity. they have monetary worth, but you don’t.

      keep your balance in this off balance, selfish world.

  78. Greetings Marianne, many thanks for an encouraging reply. I so desire for Christians to be the salt in this world, and yes the days are evil. I am encouraged that there are “feet on the ground believers”. I think the work hard with your talent doctrine should be preached, i find this in the bible.
    Be strong in the Lord and the power of hus might.

  79. Im sorry you are reacting directly to the abuses of this doctrine. Its is easy to build reactionary expositions. Why not spend your time in biblical exposition and exegesis and teach/lead the people. Anyone can react and proof text.

  80. Dan, I agree. I have written a book on the topic. It is Biblically-based, and it shows a great deal of detail on what the true tithe was, and why God would not have asked for money. It also shows what Jesus had to say about the tithe and offerings. You should check it out and we could deepen our discussion, instead of just being angry with the pastors and deceivers. The book is called “Be Not Deceived : Tithes and Offerings” by Lystra Williams. You could find more about it on my Theological Debates site at http://theologydebate.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/be-not-deceived-tithes-and-offerings/ . I appreciate your passion. Check it out, guys.

  81. ME, I LOVE BOTH THE WORD AND CASH…MY FATHER OWNS A THOUSAND CATTLE ON A HILL…WOW IS THAT BIBLICAL???? YES IT IS. IT SALVATION(S) SALVATIONSSS WHICH MEANS SPIRITUAL AS WELL AS PHYSICAL(MATERIALITY). PLEASE PREACH THE GOSPEL NOT OUT OF ENVY OR JELOUSY. PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER. DO NOT JUDGE. PRAY AND ASK GOD. WE ARE NOT GOD’S ADVISORS. ITS SCRIPTUAL…YOU CAN SEED SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICALLY. THE GOSPEL FOR IT TO REACH OUTER MOST PARTS OF THE WORLD..IT NEEDS MONEY. THE GOSPEL NEEDS FUNDING…GIVE AND IT SHALL BE GIVEN TO YOU PRESSED DOWN SHAKEN…..ITS NOT MAN’S THINKING OR WORDS…THATS GOD HIMSELF!!!

    LET LOVE LEAD IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS. WHY MENTIONING NAMES OF OTHER BROTHERS…DO YOU THINK GOD DOES NOT SEE, NOW YOU WANT TO SEE FOR HIM. BROTHERS AND SISTERS PREACH THE WORD AS IT IS…NOT TO MOCK OTHER BROTHERS. YOU SPEND THE WHOLE SERMON PREACHING ABOUT BROTHER SO-AND -SO WHAT FOR???

    LAST WORDS…WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING IS OUT OF SELF ENRICHMENT…MAY GOD BE YOUR JUDGE…. BUT IF ITS FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD….MAY GOD INCREASE YOU BOTH SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL…GOD IS NOT POOR…JESUS WAS NOT POOR…. YOU ARE NOT POOR

  82. I got a letter & it says “pray about sowing a seed gift to the lords work. Give god your best seed & believe him for your best blessing” now i dont understand that so can you put it in a much easier way to understand ?

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  84. So very true. God did tell Jeremiah in Jeremiah 29:13
    “When you search for me, then you will find me, if you seek me with all your heart.” If they are not seeking Him, it is no wonder they are deceived.

  85. If you have a problem with being prosperous and believing Father God to meet all of our needs here in the Earth when His Word Seed already says we can have the Kingdom, then I guess you will have problems walking around in Heaven with the streets of Gold .

    • no i do not have a problem with that. God can meet our needs as long as we do not ask out of our own lusts for money.

      he would be happier if you focused on him and loved him than focusing on what he can give you

    • Sadly the doctrine is “If you have a need, sow a seed, to feed my greed.” This is true of most of the Media Ministries, as well as the so-called St. Matthews’ Churches scam. It is all about feeding the greed of these false shepherds. God is certainly able to meet our needs. He does not have to be bribed to do so! Judas received 30 pieces of silver for selling out Christ. How much are they receiving? There is nothing wrong with being prosperous if that prosperity comes through means which are honorable to God. Exploiting the poor, the sick, and the needy is an abomination in God’s sight. (Read Matthew 25).

  86. True i agree with some points but the media is to blame why these ministries get a bad rep. True to the matter the world a.k.a the god of this world hates to see Gods children prosper. The bible has many things to say about prosperity to the child who is living in obedience and servitude to God. God himself said it pleases him to give his children his kingdom, and some may say that its souls. How will the gospel be preached around the world without the finances ? And if its wrong to prosper with money show me one homeless person with joy and peace who is extremely happy to have nothing. Or if being poor is Godly then we should all live in the streets and not work. Let us search the scriptures more and get to know our maker more everyday. Peace.

    • edward

      I agree that god means to have our basic needs met. the problem is that those that do prosper rarely give to the poor, so the poor remain poor.

    • No! Their actions are to blame for their receiving a bad reputation and bringing shame and disgrace to the name of my Lord. Their entire focus is make them prosper and you too will prosper. Trickle down economics doesn’t work in the World, and it doesn’t work in the Kingdom.

  87. True but we all have one judge in the end. Someones motive can only be revealed by Jesus Christ. Look at cain s punishement for murdering his brother God said you shall be a vagabond. The earth shall not yield her increase. Proverbs says the genorous soul shall be made fat. And when i say fat means in blessings. Therefore if u are blessed u are in position to help those in need.

    • And their motives are clear. They make clear who the God is that they serve. They make clear who the God is that they worship. They make clear who is the God that they will stop at nothing to obtain. In God we trust? Their God is the US Currency upon which that slogan is printed.

  88. What about there actions of pastoring being in the ministry serving giving to charities building orphaneges. But we dont look at that part do we. The Lord himself said the poor u always have but not me. He was never poor because poverty is a curse and a disease and if we would live only to please men we would never be true servants of God .

  89. You shall know them by their fruits. And if satan cast out satan how can his kingdom stand ? Let us not be weary in well doing …. And this new commandment i give that you love one another …. And you phillipians are the only ones who shared in this grace of giving and receiving …. Do not judge .. And you wont be judged.

    • edward

      There are a very few ministries that help the poor. So they are blessed.

      Most ministries do not help the poor, or give very little, as the pastors keep the money mostly for themselves.

  90. Are we speaking from experience or do we actually know facts ?

  91. I would rather see churches prosper than the mafia drug dealers and hollywood . God is the judge of the seven churches in revelation. Do you think that way because you have been influenced by fox news ? Why did God bless abraham with wealth and King solomon the wises and riches man in his time. Maybe they also were caught up with greed dont you think.

  92. Ive been given for a long time and im a testomonie that giving to God expecting a miracle works. God gave his Son ……. Planted ….. Died …… Raised to life for a harvest of souls. The love of money is wrong not the multypling of it for Kingdoms sake …. If any of these so called prosperity preachers are wrong then thell pay for it in the end. We must focus on our own lives before the father and see if we are bearing fruits for him. God Bless ! Im done here. The Bible holds the truth for each of us to search out. In his name. Peace.

  93. woah! I feel flabbergasted… I realize how much I had been starving to hear wisdom again. Thank you all, and I mean ALL of you here! Because through you, I feel inspired and some of my understandings were confirmed, as well as renewed. Marianne, I feel you are truly blessed by the Holy Spirit. How I wished I could hear you every day…

  94. We believe by faith in God. And we continue our knowledge by reading His Word and practicing it. I think first we can’t put the Holy Spirit in a box. We need to be able to dicern what the holy Spirit is guiding you. I have given and seen God’s mighty provision. And my usband has given to the Lord money with an act of faith knowing God can multiple it, and miracles have happened. But you most know when it comes from the Lord. But for sure, I don’t think you should feel pressured to give, or give for the purpose of buying God off. It needs to be a guided giving by the Lord. I thik some people get defensive about giving, because they have tried and nothing has worked and they think it is false. But the factors have to weigh in with God, that you do it with a good loving heart with the action of worshiping God for what He can do . When I give I wait on the Lord for what He will and wants to do.

  95. I could write a book on what I have learned since the 1990s about the wiles of the enemy. In short, Christians just need to become ‘wise as serpents’ and observe the men of God they are seeing on TV. Watch for the ‘el diablo’ hand sign/gesture (also known as the gesture of the horned god in occult circles). I have seen many faith based/prosperity type speakers/ministers casually, like in a message as they are waving their hands about OR overtly into the camera, display this kind of sign. They all can’t be Texas fans just doing a ‘hook em’ school spirit gesture. As far as I am concerned THIS is a sign of the enemy’s heresy at work. Hopefully, I have been fooled for the last time and wiser with where I donate my money.

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  97. false church

  98. I always used to surprised for prechers and churches who ask for money in the form of seed for healing, prophesy breaking curses. God gave everything for free tgey recived it free but then sell it unfairly.

  99. Thank you so much for this article…I am recently born again and spend a lot of time seeking and absorbing god’s word and Jesus’ teachings. I find a lot of good programming on the faith channels but have been very disappointed when I tuned in to a program deceitfully titled “the message of Passover” etc only to find that the message is sowing seed to obtain god’s favor! They even go so far as to claim that not following this instruction is an act of disobedience to god. Even more disconcerting is the fact that they are taking advantage of the season by naming these seeds things like ‘resurrection seed’ and ‘Passover offering’! I have sent my complaint to each station broadcasting these programs – I really appreciate your bible references on the subject reaffirming my belief that the bible is the only word I need to follow – not those of the false prophets.

    • debbie

      I know of a few preachers who teach this…not accurate….very bad

      to make it worse, if we went into their homes at passover, we would most likely find them eating leven bread, cereals, pastas, foods with wheat content, or yeast content, and not observing the first and last day, which the Lord ordered as holy convocations….which means they are home when they should be in services….if they are going to observe passover correctly.

      they also should be holding a first and second night seder, if they really want a blessing, and recount the exodus from egypt.

      they are just using passover as a money making opportunity….they do not observe it according to god’s commandments

  100. Debbie,

    What a blessing to read your reply/comment.

    Please look at Hebrew4Christians.com There are many good articles to help Christians understand the Word. I go here often to better understand the Feasts (Unleavened Bread, Passover, First Fruits), which Jesus fulfilled while on earth. Then there is the other Feasts to read, learning more about what is to come in these last days (Trumpets, Atonment and Tabernacles).

    The Scriptures taught in the early Church were from the “Old Testament” and we should also understand those Scriptures too.

    “The vision for this web site [Hebrew for Christians] is to provide a resource for the Church regarding its rich Hebraic heritage by promoting Jewish literacy among all those who claim Jesus Christ as their Lord. I believe this is important today for many reasons, but especially because many people in the church today are unaware of the inherent Jewishness of their heritage, and sadly this reflects in many misinterpretations regarding the Scriptures. Remember: Jesus was (and is) a Jew, and to be a follower of Him implies learning about the Jewish people — their culture, their language, and their way of understanding the Scriptures. Moreover, in the olam habah, the world to come, we will all give homage to a Jewish Lord and Jewish Savior! Why not get a head start and begin learning the ‘language of the kingdom?'” (John Parsons).

    The following is an example of the detail of study within Hebrew for Christisns – you will find many topics and pages to explore.

    http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Ketuvim/Psalms/Psalm_1/psalm_1.html

    Oh, let me share this page on Passover too.

    http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Spring_Holidays/Pesach/Seder/seder.html

    God bless you!
    Psalm 20

  101. I lived with members of the Roberts family back in ’73-’75 and met/observed the behavior and words of many well-known ministers/teachers/evangelists during that time when they were not “on camera.” The heresies I witnessed then are still available today to anyone that has ‘itching ears.”
    There is really nothing new under the sun. We need to pray diligently for our fellow believers to seek His Truth and not the temporary traps and distractions offered through the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life–

  102. I’ve been so tired of false teachings, they’re everywhere. Most churches teach false doctrines and I believe that they don’t realize it.May God have mercy on us all.

  103. Ok so lets preach the failing and broke Gospel so nowone has a problem with it . Lets blab and grab poverty so the world can be happy . I dont know about u but it dont take an einstein to see poverty is a curse. I thought Christ brought Good news not KCAL news !

    • eddy

      poverty IS a curse, this is a fallen world, but that is not what the gospel is about….

      the gospel is about forgiveness of sins through the cross of christ… not how to get rich

      we will prosper as our soul prospers…not as we pay our money to the church pastor.

  104. If you are tithing then you might as well go and kill a bullock and use it as a peace offering. god has given us a new Testament. The tithing was for landowners not poor people. I tell you the people will fight to be under subjugation and will tithe their money to the death. we are to give as lead by the Holy Spirit.

    There is so much that is NOT taught correctly about tithing that it makes my stomach turn. For instance, In Malachi 3, it was the corrupt priests of the day that were being addressed, NOT us.

    They were offering God the blind, lame, crippled offerings and keeping the good stuff for themselves. People couldn’t just walk up and tithe; they had to give it to the priests, which mean he wasn’t talking to the people, who by the way weren’t Christians because Christ hadn’t come in the flesh yet.

    And churches are not ‘storehouses’; there were actual tithe barns spread about the cities where tithes were to be kept and distributed when needed. There are many other things that contradict what we’re taught today, but to list them would make the post too long.

    Even if tithing were still applicable, we’d STILL be doing it wrong:
    Deuteronomy 14:22 -26 Make an offering of ten percent, a tithe, of all the produce which grows in your fields year after year. Bring this into the Presence of God, your God, at the place he designates for worship and there EAT THE TITHE from your grain, wine, and oil and the firstborn from your herds and flocks.

    In this way you will learn to live in deep reverence before God, your God, as long as you live. But if the place God, your God, designates for worship is too far away and you can’t carry your tithe that far, God, your God, will still bless you: EXCHANGE YOUR TITHE FOR MONEY and TAKE THE MONEY to the place God, your God, has chosen to be worshiped. Use the money (don’t tithe the money, it was not a tithe- able resource even back then) to buy anything you want: cattle, sheep, wine, or beer—anything that looks good to you.

    You and your family can then feast in the Presence of God, your God, and have a good time. (Not give it to the priest/pastors so they can live in big fancy homes and drive the best cars and wear the best clothes and be treated like royalty.)

    (I understand this is only one of several types of tithes, but you have to ask, why THIS ONE isn’t taught too.

    Have you ever heard a sermon taught from this passage?

    Gatians 3:10-14 says “those who depend on the law are under God’s curse, because the scripture says ‘those who do not observe and obey ALL of the commandments are cursed.’” Galatians 3:24: “the law was our guardian until Christ came, and it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. And now that Christ has come, and is risen, we no longer need the law as our guardian.”

    As Christians, this tells us that tithing is neither an act of obedience, an act of love, nor is it an act of faith, as it is frequently mistaught. And by trying to hang on to that ONE law, you are sabotaging yourselves.
    Galatians 3: 21: “I refuse to reject the grace of God. For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.”

    By tithing, Christians are ignoring the grace that is granted to them and the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross to deliver us from the law.

    There is a difference in believing something because you believe it, and believing something because that’s all you’ve ever heard. Some people will read this and their blood pressure may rise because it challenges what they’ve heard all their lives. They don’t WANT it to be wrong; they’ve invested too much. But, we are all entitled to speak the truth and this is what I believe God wants me to speak to His church. The Bible needs no defense. I’ve just shown it to you in black & white.

    I even heard a pastor state that tithing was before the Law and therefore our spiritual obligation, and he gave reference to Genesis 14:18-24 for his reasoning. First, you must take time to read the entire context of Genesis 14:8-24, plus also read Hebrews 7:1-10. After reading these passages, you should take time to go through them, and determine who paid tithes, where did the tithes come from, to whom were they given and why.

    Genesis 14:8-12 The kings of Sodom and Gomorrah (Plus their allies) fought a battle against king Chedorlaomer king of Elam (plus his allies). Chedorlaomer king of Elam and his allies won the battle and took all the food supply and other goods from Sodom. They also took Lot, Abram’s nephew, and his possessions and departed, for he (Lot) was living in Sodom.

    Genesis 14:9-17 The incident was reported to Abram and he took 318 of his trained servants and defeated Chedorlaomer king of Elam. Then Abram brought back all the goods, and also brought back his relative Lot with his possessions, and also the women, and the people.

    Genesis 14:18-20 After his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer, Abram was met by Melchizedek king of Salem and a Canaanite priest of God Most High, refreshing them with bread and wine and he blessed Abram. The blessing was given to Abram, a very important fact to remember. In response, Abram gave ONE-TENTH (10%) of all the goods of Sodom that were stolen by Chedorlaomer to Melchizedek. Abram did NOT tithe from his own possessions, an essential fact to refute tithing practices in the new covenant.

    Genesis 14:21-24 The king of Sodom offered to give Abram all the goods of Sodom that were recovered for himself, but Abram refused, taking not one single item, to give honor to Yahweh, lest people say this pagan king of Sodom made him rich. This is a very important point, because Abram took NO INCOME and the tithe he gave to Melchizedek did not come from his goods, but those of the Sodomites and 1/10 of Lot’s recovered goods.

    CONCLUSION: If Abram’s aforementioned encounter is used by your pastor to justify the practice of tithing from one’s gross income, then he is justifying Christians paying 10% of goods and money they do not own! Even worse, paying tithes this way means they have to find someone who has been robbed and recover the stolen goods.

    For example, if jewelry was stolen in a burglary, the tithing Christian must first return the stolen goods to the rightful owner, who must not be a Christian, (in keeping true to the symbolism of Abram and Melchizedek) and then use 10% of the recovered goods as a tithe to the church. This is an outlandishly absurd example and it ought to be ample proof for rejecting this false doctrine of church tithing. There are a few other reasons why Abram’s tithe to Melchizedek cannot be used to justify church tithing as a practice.

    LISTEN: Personally I don’t take money to deliver God’s word. Jesus sent His disciples out without anything with specific instruction to not take anything.

    The problem is most folk don’t think you are real if you don’t tax them to death.

    They will fight you to the death if you tell them that Tithing is an old testament law meant for the Landowners and the Levitical priesthood.

    It was instituted in the Modern American Church in the 1800’s as a way to raise money from your average church layman.

    People want to be fleeced. They need to be taken advantage of in order to be justified.

    I work tirelessly in carrying god’s message and the result are so nominal that if not for His Spirit I would have given up a very long time ago.

    It is the most frustrating thing in this world to see people who are going to spend eternity in Hell latch on to a false shepherd and get taken for THE RIDE OF THEIR LIFE and then go directly to Hell.

    I teach nothing but truth from the bible but people need to hear another gospel. They need their sins placated by a false doctrine. They believe they can live in sin, practice sin and still live in God’s Kingdom. There is no Call to repentance but to give money!!!

    They truly believe that if they pay their ties (payment) to the pastor that God will bless them when God blessed them in Christ death. They truly believe that that their standing with God is change or better by the works they do by their own hands.

    ALSO ACCORDING TO MALACHI 3 THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE CURSED BY GOD THE EVERLASTING FATHER IF THEY DON’T TITHE TO THE PASTOR.

    They trust a man with their own Salvation and the life of their children and never take the time to develop a relationship with Christ, only the pastor.

    Real men of God don’t need all this junk. God is more precious than silver or Gold. Men of God work tirelessly to help feed the poor, cloth the naked, and visit those in prison.

    Real men of God are not on T.V AT ALL

    Real men of God are working in the unseen and doing the real work of real discipleship

    Real men of God are studying their bible and using it not psychoanalyzing to feed the flock of Christ.

    Real men of God don’t need their name on the outside of the building as if it’s their church. They just flaunt Jesus.

    • dear spiritual soldier.

      it is always good to hear from people who are awake, and alert to what the scriptures say.

      we need people who are awake to minister to others in the coming days of darkness, and we all need to be prepared, and not deceived.

      May God bless you, and give you many opportunities to share His Word to others.

  105. Real men love jesus
    Real men tithe
    Real men die to themselves
    Real men will be welcomed by the Lord ‘Well done thou good and faithful servant .’

  106. Then the LORD said to me, “You have seen well, for I am ready to perform My word.” (‭Jeremiah‬ ‭1‬:‭12‬ NKJV)

    Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.” (‭Luke‬ ‭6‬:‭38‬ NKJV)

  107. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. (‭I John‬ ‭2‬:‭27‬ NKJV)

  108. […] “Seed Time and Harvest” – False doctrine of money […]

  109. A great teaching on the word “seeds”
    http://agapegeek.com/2010/11/03/understanding-seeds-planting-financial-seeds-part-12/

    After reading Part 12 on money goto Part 1 to see what the bible says about seeds.

  110. Thank you. I myself have been deceived by my church and I am trying to find a way out and idk how to. This is such a hard thing as it is not only the monry hungry mega churches that are teaching this but alot of churches I affiliate with. Leaving would be so easy when you are sure you have somewhere else to go. I live in queens Ny. Are there any churches you know of that preaches the word of God.

    • kim

      If you need to leave, then leave. You do not have to already have another church to go to. there is plenty of time for that. just leave, then look for another church later.

      Learn also to spend time alone with God. read your bible and listen to christian music that inspires you.

      most churches are corrupt over money….so you must learn to go it alone until you find a better place…if you have friends, do a bible study with them, have church at home or at a friend’s house

      because of where you live, I will ask this…are you renting there, or are you buying? do you have the kind of job where you can easily transfer to a different location?

      there is a serious terror attack risk against NYC, and it is not safe there anymore any how….and moving to a different location could be a wise move…..in the new place you may have more choices for a church group.

  111. kim,

    The following is a portion of a message from the late David Wilkerson. Since you’re from a NYC Borough, you may be familiar with him.

    I believe the Lord is opening your spiritual eyes and ears. Keep listening by reading the Word and talk with him, praying in your mind.

    This is an audio file of His message. Please, open and listen to this message.

    [audio src="http://ia600609.us.archive.org/11/items/SERMONINDEX_SID4414/SID4414.mp3" /]

    The following are potions of a messages from this man of God.

    “Friends, the days of superstar evangelists are all over! No more one-man shows! No more stealing Gods honor! No more glamour! No more showmanship! No more world-directed choreography in Gods holy place! No more big-time religion! The Holy Ghost is going to shut down corporate religion! God has declared He will not finance the ego of any preacher of the Gospel!

    The Holy Spirit is already wooing the children of the Lord away from bigness, brightness, and sensationalism. Even sinners are fed up with all the pitiful appeals for money! A revived, sanctified people are going to discern between the clean and unclean! Those in the middle of building their little empires will weep and despair – as God brings it all down! He is going to write Icahabod over their doors! His glory will depart from them! God is going to cause the hustle and bustle – the busy pace – to burn out and wear down all who have wasted so much time at building – instead of seeking the face of God!

    He is telling ministers to put away their drawing boards and get back to giving themselves to fasting, praying, and studying Gods Word. Go ahead and build – expand and plan – but once the plans are decided on, let the elders build the church – set the pastor free to fast and pray! Because God is going to spew out of His mouth all gospel that is light and frivolous!”

    http://www.tscpulpitseries.org/english/undated/tsbabylo.html

    http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/an-urgent-message-america-the-babylon-will-burn-david-wilkerson/

    http://americaslastdays.blogspot.com/p/david-wilkerson-economic-collapse-then.html

    “Note: I do not know when these things will come to pass, but I know it is not far off. I have unburdened my soul to you. Do with the message as you choose.

    God bless and keep you, In Christ, DAVID WILKERSON”

    kim,
    I have more to share, but will wait and see if you reply.

    God bless you.
    Psalm 27

  112. Marianne,

    Then, please – post this link for all to hear it and listen!

    The speculation and speculations, keeping opinions going and going needs to include this message – up front.

    The following URGENT MESSAGE by David Wilkerson…His warning rings with sincere and humble urgency, but without any specific timestamp. Note: Wilkerson does not refer to America as “Babylon” in this specific message…His reference to the cities being set on “fire” certainly reflects Mystery Babylon’s prophetic judgment (Jeremiah 50:32; Revelation 18:8).”

    [audio src="http://ia600609.us.archive.org/11/items/SERMONINDEX_SID4414/SID4414.mp3" /]

    Time is short and the flock is not prepared.

    I’ll be happy to write you via a personal e-mail. It may take me a few days to compose what needs to be written.

    Blessings
    Psalm 27

  113. [audio src="http://ia600609.us.archive.org/11/items/SERMONINDEX_SID4414/SID4414.mp3" /]

  114. http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=4618&commentView=itemComments

  115. Oh?

    It’s within the list. I’ll just keep posting a link to the page on HA. Especially under the pages related to “Mystery Babylon.”

    David understands who and what Babylon is – and he understood the connection of Rev. 18 to USA/NYC.

    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/david-wilkerson-1973-vision/

    I agree with David Wilkerson’s message – from a credible messenger given many years ago.

    Blessings

  116. God Bless the Ministers that preach the truth always. Those who are looking at money should remember the Lord they are serving is always able providing for them ,no need to lie in His word because of selfish ambitions.

    Wilson Nsereko

  117. Dear Brethern,
    Receive much greetings in the Lord. We are happy to inform you that through internet we have come to know you and your Church which were so much interested about . After some days, we came together as a the church members and decided to contact you so that we can affiliate with you in spreading the word, and we wish you to come to Kenya to have meetings on matters related to the word of God so that we understand fully and grow up spiritually . Send us teaching materials if possible. We know God is able for you to extend.
    We are from Kenya in Western Kenya in Kisii region Gucha district. Our group is known as Kenya Christian Group Church which was started 3 years ago. We work among the widows and orphans who do not know what the future hold for them. We have 4 Christian groups within the region. We also keep 18 orphans and needy children at our Center who needs your prayers.
    For this time we do not have much to say but we pray the Lord to open the doors for you to come to Kenya and share the ward.
    We await your response soon as the Lord allow.
    Be very much blessed with His love and warm kindness!
    In His love,hyline

  118. hyline,

    Please write to me at this address:

    psalm27dj@aol.com

    When you write, please include your mailing address, telling me more about your fellowship of Believers and anything else the Spirit puts upon your hearts to share with me.

    In the Spring of 2010, a mighty woman of God from Kenya named Patricia wrote to me here in the US.

    She was a great blessing – as a spiritual intercessor. We fasted and prayed together during the month of April, 2010. She was in Kenya and I here in the US. We communicate by email.

    On May 6, 2010 Patricia gave me a very personal and specific “word of knowledge” ~ which continues to unfold.

    Because of Patricia and other Devine spiritual matters, I have an affinity for Believers living in Kenya, keeping my eyes open for communications like yours.

    It would be a pleasure to learn more of your needs and seek the Lord on these matters.

    “Oh, magnify the Lord with me, And let us exalt His name together. . . .Oh, taste and see that the Lord is good; Blessed is the man who trusts in Him”(Psalm 34).

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2034&version=NKJV

    Blessings,
    DJ

  119. I grew up in the church but as I got older alot of things just did not sit well in my spirit, one of the things was the way they take offering. I am now 33 and I still have many issues with the so called church of course I love the Lord however I have never carried myself like I have seen others when it comes to praising the Lord.
    I said these things because I could truly set my watch by watching how they act, every Sunday the same people would run around the church, every Sunday they ask for money and if it wasn’t enough they ask for more.
    I was in church on Halloween this year because a well known preacher came to Baltimore and again the pastor of this church sounds like he is holding auction before the guess preacher even made it to the pulpit the pastor was asking for 2hundred can I get ten people to give 2hundred ten people gave 2hundred then he went to 1hundred can I get 1 hundred from ten people and he went all the way to 10dollars. He basically divided the people who had big money from the one who had little or no money to give. Now at the end the guess speaker gave 2hundred 14 dollars he matched what the pastor gave but when he was closing he asked for a basket and said come on and Sow a seed. This was supposed to be for a non-profit organization outreach but this is done every service. This church is in Baltimore City I always say I do not play church if it is not done on the word of God then man is brainwashing mankind into believing what man says they twist the word to gain money well God knows my struggle and pain and the greedy folks can not have what God gave me so I give those who are in need not greed.
    Now I do pay tides and offerings but I found a nice little church that is warm and bible based. Not a mega church

  120. What gets me is how the concept of money is presented to the church. We are told “When in need, sow a seed” and “God does not need your money but if you don’t sow, you are under a curse, because you are robbing God.” What a contradiction. I don’t know where in the Bible it says that we have to pay God to receive anything from him. I know it says that we are to believe to receive.

    Yes, in Malachi 3:10 where it says “Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse so that there may be food in my house” does that mean food or money?

    Jesus did not require anyone to pay money to his ministry. He did not tell people that he would not feed them, heal them or that their needs would not be met if they did not pay. So should we pay for him to die on the cross?

    I received an email from a ministry that asked me if I had a prayer request. I entered my request and they said I could not submit without an offering and they even had different amounts I could choose to pay. What, now I have to pay for prayer?

    I realize that churches need money to survive but I believe what you give is between you and God. I believe so many churches and ministries play God by telling you how much you need to pay. God loves a cheerful giver. If we give because we feel like we have too, is that cheerful?

    The focus is so much on money and not enough of what I believe God really wants from us which is to love God with all our hearts and to love others as we love ourselves. If we are led by the Spirit, the Spirit will guide us on what to give, not what man tells us to give.

  121. hi brenda

    it is good to hear you are one of the wise ones.

    I also had an experience lately, I called in to get a free brochure, and the person was pressuring me to become a monthly member….so there was a cost after all.

  122. When we leave the church they point the finger at us and say we are church hoppers. So can we point the finger at them? I have been to a lot of churches in my life and I often wonder if it’s me. Am I being too picky? I have been told that no church is perfect. Yes, I know this but can I at least find one that comes close to teaching the truth, according to the Bible? The deception most always lies in the money.

    My husband and I attended a church for a year but never became a member. We tithed and I was actively involved with the prison ministry. I went to them for financial help after my husband lost his job and they told me that they don’t usually help people that are not members and they don’t know if we tithed to them like we should, like the Bible says in Malachi 3, that the storehouse is your local church. They said tithes do not go to any other ministry, only offerings which is beyond the tithe. They would up helping us because I was involved with the prison ministry.

    At another church, the Pastor told us “Don’t come to this church with empty pockets!” Another Pastor at another church said that he checks the records to make sure his staff is tithing. If not, they are not allowed to be on his staff.

    What right do they have? I believe, Let God be the judge. I feel bad that I have a hard time finding the right church and when I tell some of my family and friends why, they just tell me that I need to overlook those things. So in other words, I should pick a church and go just because it’s the right thing to do?

    • brenda

      I think many church people will be surprised when Jesus points his finger at them, and ask why did they run good people out of the church?

  123. i pray God gives you more understanding!!!I pray God opens your eyes to the power behind the money you call ‘dead’

  124. good article, lets not be so easily taken in. folks

  125. Paul didn’t care one bit about money – only that he might preach the gospel of Jesus Christ with no questions about his motives. below is an article outing preachers, teachers and mammon per the Bible. Check it if you like 🙂

    Teachers, Preachers and Mammon: What do Jesus, Paul and Peter say about money and leadership in Christ

    Jesus did not specifically address how leaders in Christ should approach soliciting – or even accepting money from their flocks, but he did teach all of us that we are to live only for the kingdom of God. He was an excellent example to us of what this should look like since He himself gave up his glorious throne in heaven (See, Ezekiel 1), to live a sweaty, dirty life of abject poverty and even homelessness (Matthew 7:20) on this earth. He also taught all of us that we should be willing to lose everything in this life in order to gain an inheritance that can never perish, spoil, or fade, kept in heaven for us.

    Jesus was not even close to an average middle-class man. As Isaiah 53 states, there was nothing about Jesus that was desirable mankind – neither good looks nor material wealth. He was born in a manger, in a barn, and he toiled with his hands as a carpenter for most of His adult life. Yet, in Mark 12:41-42, the people who travelled to hear Jesus speak, seemed surprised when they saw him dressed as a common man. Jesus told them that they should expect to find those who wear fine clothes in king’s palaces, clearly implying that those who are called to preach the message of His eternal kingdom should have nothing in common with either the wealthy or the rulers of this world.

    When Jesus sent his beloved disciples out to spread the message of the kingdom, he sent them with nothing but the sandals on their feet and the tunics on their backs. He did not instruct them to ask for money but to simply go and spread the message of the kingdom of God, knowing that the people who met them would, by the Spirit, provide for their needs. He made them trust, not in themselves, but in the one who meets all of our needs so graciously (Matthew 10:7; Luke 10:7-8).

    ….the rest of the article is on the link below…….

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/11/14/teachers-preachers-and-wealth/

  126. Wow am blessed. Very powerful word. This word came to me at the right time. Now am free from this gospel of prosperty.

  127. Tithing was under and is under the law with a curse for Christians seeking salvation under the law, Galatians 3:3-13, Malachi 3:1-18. When pastors and priest lie by quoting Malachi 3:1-18, under the law IN OLD COVENANT , how many Christians line up to be served with food when tithes and offering under the law are given? Is the storehouse pastors’ and priests’ house or the Church being the body of Christ? Saved Christians by grace IN NEW COVENANT , who are lead by the Holy Spirit are not under law. They are ministers of the new testament born of love with exceeding glory which surpassed the glory that was in law in Moses . We have been redeemed from the curse of the law to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood ( Pastors ,Priest and Bishops who are servants of God cannot subject sons of God in Royal Priesthood to tithe taxes- absolute illegal) and are not under the law, Galatians 5:1, Galatians4:4-5,2 Corinthians 3:1-18 . Salvation under the law one attains it at last breath on earth having done all that pertains to the law which is hard for one to accomplish. Even the tithe which was given by Abraham was under the law of sin and death from the fall of Adam and Eve. Those who lie would like to deceive Christians that tithe was before the law but before which law. When Christ was born He was given gifts and not tithes Mathew 2:11-12. Salvation under spiritual law of love by grace is freely given and attained with free miracles from God our Father, Ephesians 2:4 -9, Ephesians 2:13 -20. Under Leviticus priesthood tithes were given for the tribe of Levi and tithe of tithe to the high Priest for they shared no land apart from the walled towns they were allocated to stay in for their continuous sacrifice to God, Numbers 18:20 -29.Widows, strangers ,fatherless and orphans benefited from tithes and offerings given to Levites, Deuteronomy 14:22-29. In Christianity widows were asked to be catered by close brethren to ease burden to the Church. There were also tithes of different kinds in Israel. There was also a tithe where a family had to eat all before the Lord, Deutreronomy12:6-7. In Christ Jesus we are saved by grace to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood of Christ and not by works of law ,Galatians 3:8-13,Acts13: 38-39, Galatians 4: 4-5, Galatians2:16-21, Galatians 5:18. Sons have direct access to the Father and free common inheritance not bought or worked for from the father. For servants ( Pastors and Priest) are servants of God worthy all respects and due help . NEW TESTAMENT two priesthood are compared Hebrew7: 7-28, Hebrew8:6 -13, Hebrew 9:6-9, Hebrew 10:8-23. Leviticus priesthood under the law with tithes, death, discontinuity and its acceptance under glory of law without the great commission was done away in Christ and the holy priesthood of Christ without tithes, death and discontinuity with exceeding glory under which Christians are in salvation being a Holy nation and Loyal Priests to preach to the world GOD being their Father in new covenant ministry. Tithing weakens the Royal Priesthood of Christians in Christ where Christians are supposed to give themselves as living sacrifice in the mission vision fields. The Christians Royal Priesthood in Christ Jesus is internally weekend from within ,fought and economically drained mostly for indoors ministries under revival of Leviticus priesthood by pastors. The Royal Priesthood is internally spiritually emaciated and trodden upon.2 Corinthians2:1-13, 2Peter 2:5-9. Priesthood involves sacrifices. The priesthood was changed from the old covenant( Leviticus Priesthood) to the new covenant (Loyal Priesthood of labor in Christ without tithes allocations which is not appreciated) and the law governing it was changed. Jesus Christ told Peter look after his lambs and later to look after His sheep ( service) in clear shift from Leviticus priesthood John 21:15-17. Under Leviticus priesthood an animal for sacrifice was alive between the alter of sacrifice and the Levite priest holding the sacrificial knife. Sheep remained alive for a period of time only when they were delivered many animals for sacrifice and the alter could not hold them all for sacrifice .We are dead to sin and alive in Christ who live in us being a living sacrifice to God. Levite Pastors and Priest are comfortable with brethren who live like dead sacrifice. Levite priests were to labor to sacrifice and not tendering the flocks. Pastors and Priests who revive the Leviticus priesthood removed by Christ and merge it to the Loyal priesthood of Christ do so for personal gains in mass cheating for self tithes allocations. Leviticus priesthood under law remained hostile to the Ministry of Christ and His disciples who suffered in their hands even after Christ death. Levite priests beat and wanted to kill all disciples of Christ whom they told not to preach in His name. Acts 5:17-42. What pastors are not telling the Church (the bride/sons/ ambassadors /advocate of the word/children) is the reason Christ had in choosing the twelve disciples ( under new covenant in Grace ) and opted not to use the Levite Priests ( in old covenant under law) that were well established and placed had they to be chosen preach to the world. LET PASTORS , BISHOPS AND PRIESTS HONESTLY PURGE THEIR HEARTS AND SPEAK THE TRUTH ON TITHES. CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW IN THE OLD COVENANT. The intrigue of doctrinal falsehood on tithes smartly engineered and flamboyantly taught by them worldwide cannot be justified or be cleansed by their religious social status. Christians should not be for entertainments but for truth preached and taught which is not in contest in numerical strength for acceptance. Let Bishops ,Pastors, Priests and Church Elders handle the Church of Christ within Christians doctrines established by Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles in the mission field vision. CHRISTIANS MUST FACE AND ADDRESS THE MASS SWEEPING AND SOOTHING FALSEHOOD TAUGHT BY SOME WELL EDUCATED ELITE CHRISTIANS ABOUT TITHES IN A SOBER SPIRITUAL REALITY FACE OUT. This is real unexpected falsehood from those held dearly in trust by many Christian. The situation becomes more murky and tricky when church elders are accomplished in the classic falsehood which puts the church into mental slavery. The Royal Priesthood in grace is quite different from Leviticus Priesthood under the law. Leviticus Priesthood in the old covenant belonged to the Levite tribe among the eleven tribes in Israel but the Royal Priesthood in the new covenant under oppression and suppression belongs to all brethren in the world in Christ Jesus ( the Church / the body of Christ) who are commissioned to preach to the world. The Royal Priesthood is well placed to reach the world more effectively at close quarters in Christ love and glory expected. It is quite unfortunate that Christians unknowingly are victims of systematic unmarked high professional intellectual falsehood commercialization cover up in tithes teaching by learned Christians brethren which is a disservice to the (church) body of Christ. But Christians have been warned not to be fools since for some preaching and teaching falsehood is an act energetically engaged smartly and Christians are smartly conned .Ephesians 5:15-16. Tithing under law impoverish the Royal Priesthood of Christ physically and spiritually which make the Great commission less effective. When all saved Christians are in Royal Priesthood, to whom do you tithe to in the in new covenant? The Royal Priesthood needs to take its place in Christian missions empowered in New Covenant for Christians to work in glory of Christ love intended for the body of Christ.
    A fountain cannot produce sweet and bitter water the same time. James 3:8-18. We Christian are saved by GRACE IN CHRIST LOVE(Spiritual Law) for we cannot be subjected to law of sin and death crucified and done away by Christ on cross of Calvary. We are subjected to spiritual law of life in Christ Jesus and ought to have the spiritual understanding of the Word of God in liberty without corrupting the Word of God. Roman 8:1-2, Colossians 1:9-10. As God has blessed us in common inheritance of the saints, we should give sacrificially as we have purposed in our hearts in liberty and in love, Galatians 5:1, 2Corinthians 9;6-7, Galatians 6:6-7, Hebrew6:6-12,Hebrew13:11-16. Christ taught spiritual giving to God and to our parents, Luke 6:8 ,Matthew15:5-9. Paul also taught the same .2Corinthians 9:6-14, Philippians 2:4-5. Aaron was given unto Moses, the Levite tribe was given unto Aaron, the eleven tribes of Israel were given unto Levite tribe to serve them but we Christians are purchased through the blood of Christ we are no man servants but servants of Christ 1Corinthians 7:21-2 , God is our father and our readily help in times of needs and not men. We are warned not to call any man our father in the spirit. Mathew23:9. Some have made men their fathers and call them fathers turning them their gods on earth. Numbers 3:9-15. No servant can hinder children access to the Father and His blessed inheritance. Are pastors, priest and Bishops in the Royal Priesthood of Christ or are in the Leviticus priesthood? Who coordinate pastors only to work for Christ for a living. Apostles of Christ worked with their hands for a living and for preaching the Gospel of Christ. All saved Christians are servants of Christ in the Royal Priesthood of Christ. Do we make the spiritual understanding between the Leviticus Priesthood under the law and the Royal Priesthood in grace in the New Covenant or do we mix the two distinctive priesthoods cunningly for selfish gain to eliminate the so called clergy poverty and mess up with the doctrine of salvation in Grace? Christ gave some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and some teachers for the perfecting of saint in the work of the ministry for edifying the( church) body of Christ so us not to be deceived Ephesians4:11-19. Who set aside and allocated poverty and tithes to the pastors in preaching the Gospel of Christ since those who preach the Gospel (Christians/Royal priests) shall live by the Gospel or who bear the burden of mercy for the clergy to teach and preach falsehood on tithes for them not to be poor? When did they become pastors in poverty for the church to eliminate their poverty? Christians should share their wealth with the clergy but not in law. We are saved in Grace in Christ love and our sharing should be in love. We saved Christians are not justified by the law. Galatians 2:21. We saved Christians are servants of Christ Jesus in the Royal Priesthood of the saints. Why do many talk about key poverty of pastors on tithes among the five fold ministry? Where is their care and concerns for the other four ministries? Should the pastors ministry overshadow other ministries? All ministries should work as one body in the body of Christ. Foot soldiers who support falsehood on tithes preaching and teaching are calling Christians who do not support tithing to ask for forgiveness. Christians bear no apology to no one for preaching and teaching the truth . Only those who preach and teach falsehood are hurt by the truth. Christians should not be coaxed by threats hedged in non doctrinal falsehoods promises taught in personal ego gains. With God, the means justify the end in Christ. Christians should not be hoodwink by groaning delivery of falsehood and the glory associated with fruits of falsehood. As we speak on the falsehood on the doctrine of tithing for Christians, we have not closed our eyes to the needs of the Church nor have buried our heads in the sand devoid of our emotions to face the truth. We stand for truth aware of forces against the truth within the church and outside the church. We do not justify falsehoods which meet the needs of the church. If one is stuck in stick gray of falsehood, us a Christian one has to owner the truth and be free in did
    Those under the law are under curse and the law kills 2 Corinthians 3:6. Those lead by the Spirit are not under law and curses Galatians5: 6, Galatians 3:8-13. Christians are redeemed from the curse of the law to adoption of sons .Galatians4:4- 5..Are they telling Christians curses under law are blessings for them or they have powers to remove curses when Christians tithe to them? Christians must remain spiritually alert and be not be spiritually blind, They have directed Christians to deceptive ways of curses for their own benefits and not blessings. The bounty of terror of deceptive covetousness is professionally tactically presented as blessing based on salvation under yard stick of tithes. Many pastors have illegally allocated all tithes to themselves. Tithes were for specifics needs under old covenant for specific people help. Apostles of CHRIST did not use concealed deceptive covetousness to preach the Gospel .1Thessalonians2:3-6.We should renounce hidden things of dishonesty and not walk craftily handling the Word of God deceitfully 2Corithians 4:1-2. The body of CHRIST has been subjected to doctrinal mess by Levite priests and Levite pastors. TITHE IS A PURE SLEEK DOCTRINAL FALSEHOOD FOR CHRISTIANS CULTIVATED IN UNMATCHED PERSONAL CONCEALED ZEAL BY PASTORS IN LEADERSHIP FOR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND GAINS WHO UNDERSTAND UNIVERSALLY ON TITHES AND SALVATION AND FAIL TO APPRECIATE THE TIME OF LAW AND THE TIME OF GRACE DISPENSATION. In willful deception by calling themselves the Levites of today who persecuted Christians and plunder Christians pockets today they are able to demand to be given tithes. Levites priests and elders never gave a helping hand to Christians. Christ did not leave His Church under Leviticus Priesthood. Leviticus Priesthood is forced on the throats of Christians by pastors for perfectly concealed selfish interests and gains. Do they want to tell us that Christ and Apostles of Christ forgot to ask for tithes during the formative Christian Ministry stage. When we take the Word of God out of its content and contest ,we have contempt for the Word of God. He (GOD)who brought tithing under the old Covenant took it away in His(CHRIST) own rights in the new Covenant.
    We can preach the Word of God quoting scriptures like the devil when he tested Jesus or quote the scriptures like CHRIST when He answered satan in time of need. Matthew 4:1-11 . Jesus Christ taught men can teach commandments of men for doctrines. Mathew15:5-9. This addressed falsehood which can come from those in authority in the Church ( bishops, pastors, priest and elders) leadership. We can have a zeal of faith and commitment to establish our own righteousness not according to righteousness of God in the knowledge of his Word. Roman 10:1-4. Pastors and priests calling themselves Levites today have capitalized on low level Christian doctrinal knowledge teachings among Christians. Tithing contradict the doctrine of salvation in GRACE and deprive the Christians in Loyal Priesthood in Christ Jesus the individual empowerment to do the Great Commission. When we are loyal Priests to whom do we tithe to? Is it not even if it were in Natural world for servants to tithe to Loyal Priests? Pastors Priest and Bishops are also in the Loyal Priesthood of Jesus Christ all of us being sons and servants composing the body of Christ unless they exclude themselves. The underlying mystery is to deliver the Church of Christ in concealed form to Leviticus Priesthood for Priests ,Pastor and Bishops to enable them get tithes. Mathew15:5-9. We can preach the Word of God making the Church a house of merchandise to make merchandise of Christians and those who do so whose God is their belly which made Adam and Eve to fail in their relationship with God .It is a lucrative profitable business based on arithmetic of numbers cunningly preserved with tactical appreciations to the body of Christ and spreading of the Gospel. Are elect Christians deceived out of their wits? Romans 16:17 -19 ,2 Peter 2:1-3, John 2:16, Philppians3:17-19. We can preach Christ out of envy, strife or of good will. Philippians 1:15-17,2Corinthians4:1-2. It is the body of Christ the Church which is sent to preach to the world also as individuals brethren bearing the burden to preach to the world as Apostles of Christ did. The responsibility has not been on shoulders of priests and pastors only. Brethren are the loyal priests and ambassadors of Christ and has committed unto us the Church the word of reconciliation, 2 Corinthians :19-20. THERE WERE NO FENCE SITTINGS AND ARE NO FENCE SITTINGS IN THE NEW COVENANT MINISTRY MEDIATED BY OUR APOSTLE AND THE HIGH PRIEST OF OUR FAITH LORD JESUS CHRIST. Apostles labored with their hand to provide for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Christians offerings they received were not tithes. No one is specially chosen to be at receiving end of tithes so as to preach the Gospel of Christ. We saved Christians are the Loyal Priests AND Ambassadors of Christ.2 Peter 2:1-9, 2 Corinthians5:14-20. The preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not sorely in the hands of clergy. It is in the hands of the (Church) believers.
    Tithing is a hard topic to teach without spiritual understanding since we have many high profile elite preachers teaching on the same with books written of great hoped promises and condemnation on the same for those who do not tithe, Ephesians 5:6-7, 1Thessalonians 2:3-4. Some well educated elite Christians are involved in deceptive teaching on tithes which is warmly appreciated from the pulpit. They are the magnetizing force with alluring great hoped blessed promises of wealth based on tithes. When will it dawn on them that they teach doctrine of men a false doctrine on tithes for Christians saved by grace. On moving from one church to the church or by taking a flight from one continent to another continent on falsehood mission, lies taught on tithes by them cannot be justified by the sacrificial cost incurred to do so. Only when they uphold the truth and uplift Christ as they decrease and Christians stop earthly social status cult adoration in respect of human beings will truth prevails’. Pharisees and the Scribes were most well educated and Jesus said woe unto them seven times for being stumbling blocks in faith. Mathew 23:9-39. We only need to rightly divide the Word of God and know whether we are Christians seeking salvation under the law or we are Christians saved by grace in Christ through the Spiritual law of love, Corinthians 1:12-16,2 Timothy 2:15 . We redeemed sons of God who are made Kings and priests unto God have a common inheritance in Christ Jesus, Galatians 4:4-5, Colssians1:9-14 ,1Corinthians 2:12-16. Revelation 1;4-6 .Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr . Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests. We are called spiritual sons of God after salvation not before in fallen state and who are enabled to do the righteousness that was in the law but we are not under the law. The same priests and pastors wreck the spiritual scriptures when they teach fallen Angles are called sons of God who married daughters of men giving offspring of giants , Genesis 6:1-8. God says he has never called any angles his son, Hebrew 1:4-5.When were fallen angles redeemed and sanctified to be called sons? The ownership of increased daughters is unto men before being referred to as sons of God and the lust to polygamous marriage was with men. Are beautiful daughters born today for men? Shall we have another episode of fallen angles marrying daughters of men before the close of age? Many have taught the Word of God outside Biblical doctrines so many are deceived in their teaching and preaching which condemn God as unjust since no judgment is passed to angles they refer to as sons of God. When men dropped further from grace when they practiced polygamous marriage and their life span was reduced to one hundred and twenty years , no judgment is passed to purposed angles they teach us sons of God. The sons of God were men who had done reconciliation to God the same way Abel had done and was accepted by God. The judgment is specifically to mankind and giants born in sin of polygamous marriage do not qualify the sons of God to be angles. Angles are ministering spirits with no reproductive empowerment, Matthew 22:29-32, Hebrew 1:14-14.
    Our relationship to God our Father is in love in our loyal priesthood to the world. Roman 8:14-17. Only those who are not sincere mix teaching under carnal law and spiritual teaching enlightenment under spiritual law. When we study the old covenant it should help us get rooted deeply in the new covenant. The devil uses the nobles, evil and false witness to do his will according to circumstances, Acts 13;50-51 Acts 6: 9-14. Christians must remain wise and not be cheated by devils workers transforming themselves as angles of light which corrupt the Word of God, 2Corinthians2:17, 2Corinthians11: 13-15. Levites Pastor, Priests and some Christians misquote Jesus Christ on judgment. Judge not that you may be not judged . Matthew7:1-5. They say God prohibit judgment which is not true since it is based on taking the scripture out of content and contest on understanding Jesus statement. It has given them a highway of teaching lies without being questioned. They have separated themselves from the body of Christ to ideal entity who cannot be censured. Shall you close your eyes to evils committed that they may not judge you. Do you buy yourself freedom from being judged for not condemning evil or commenting on anything positive or negative. The preaching of the Word of God is based on judgment on sins and righteousness . God requires from us righteous judgment in wisdom and in love which condemn sins which leads man to repentant of sins and redemption. The Word of God in its content and contest states judgment on sins and righteousness. All living beings and organic life are in constant judgment for existent. If we can stop all processes of judgments life will come to a standstill and ultimate death with final judgment of decay. Life and all creation were established in good judgment by God and close of age shall end in judgment to eternal life or eternal death which is eternal life of suffering and separation from God. Genesis 1:1-31, Genesis 2:1-25. Even our bodies judge us out of energy and we hunger for food and thirst for water. All witty discoveries are results of acknowledgment of positive judgments on active well coordinated principals. Christians are encouraged to solve cases in judgment among themselves. 1Corinthians 6:1-7,The Bible encourage us that our love may abound yet more in knowledge and in all Judgment and we judge ourselves dead in Christ, 2 Corinthians5:14 ,Philippians 1:9-12. Life is in active constant judgments and the creation mourns for final judgment which it shall be subjected by God. We relate in evaluation to all things in judgment. What we known and do not know is based on judgment. What we believe right or wrong is based on judgment. Irrespective of any judgment delivered on us we should delivers the Heavenly Kingdom judgment to sins . We saved Christians are counted and judged worthy to suffer tribulations together with Christ when we live Christian life in love ,Revelation Chapter1,2 and3. We thus judge ourselves dead in Christ.
    There are may be those who preach tithing to saved Christians for lack of spiritual understanding. We should girdle up the loins of our minds as the knowledgeable wise sharers of the Word of God . 1Peter :13-15.Roman 10:1-4. We shall be off the hook of being soothed ,cornered, and been cheated on doctrinal issue in Christianity. God bless us in abundant grace of spiritual revelation and spiritual understanding of His Holy Word, Colssians1:9-14, Ephesians 5:6 -7,1Thessalonians 2:3-6, 2Timothy2:15, 2Timothy 2:24-26 . Amen
    I am happy and blessed to interact with you on spiritual teachings. Hope we shall search more scriptures for our spiritual growth . Yearning to receive your input on the topic .God bless you.
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    purely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide.
    By Br. Robert Munyui Kamunyu

  128. Tithing was under and is under the law with a curse for Christians seeking salvation under the law, Galatians 3:3-13, Malachi 3:1-18. When pastors and priest lie by quoting Malachi 3:1-18, under the law IN OLD COVENANT , how many Christians line up to be served with food when tithes and offering under the law are given? Is the storehouse pastors’ and priests’ house or the Church being the body of Christ? Saved Christians by grace IN NEW COVENANT , who are lead by the Holy Spirit are not under law. They are ministers of the new testament born of love with exceeding glory which surpassed the glory that was in law in Moses . We have been redeemed from the curse of the law to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood ( Pastors ,Priest and Bishops who are servants of God cannot subject sons of God in Royal Priesthood to tithe taxes- absolute illegal) and are not under the law, Galatians 5:1, Galatians4:4-5,2 Corinthians 3:1-18 . Salvation under the law one attains it at last breath on earth having done all that pertains to the law which is hard for one to accomplish. Even the tithe which was given by Abraham was under the law of sin and death from the fall of Adam and Eve. Those who lie would like to deceive Christians that tithe was before the law but before which law. When Christ was born He was given gifts and not tithes Mathew 2:11-12. Salvation under spiritual law of love by grace is freely given and attained with free miracles from God our Father, Ephesians 2:4 -9, Ephesians 2:13 -20. Under Leviticus priesthood tithes were given for the tribe of Levi and tithe of tithe( heave offering)
    to the high Priest for they shared no land apart from the walled towns they were allocated to stay in for their continuous sacrifice to God, Numbers 18:20 -29.Widows, strangers ,fatherless and orphans benefited from tithes and offerings given to Levites, Deuteronomy 14:22-29. In Christianity widows were asked to be catered by close brethren to ease burden to the Church. There were also tithes of different kinds in Israel. There was also a tithe where a family had to eat all before the Lord, Deutreronomy12:6-7. In Christ Jesus we are saved by grace to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood of Christ and not by works of law ,Galatians 3:8-13,Acts13: 38-39, Galatians 4: 4-5, Galatians2:16-21, Galatians 5:18. Sons have direct access to the Father and free common inheritance not bought or worked for from the father. For servants ( Pastors and Priest) are servants of God worthy all respects and due help . NEW TESTAMENT two priesthood are compared Hebrew7: 7-28, Hebrew8:6 -13, Hebrew 9:6-9, Hebrew 10:8-23. Leviticus priesthood under the law with tithes, death, discontinuity and its acceptance under glory of law without the great commission was done away in Christ and the holy priesthood of Christ without tithes, death and discontinuity with exceeding glory under which Christians are in salvation being a Holy nation and Loyal Priests to preach to the world GOD being their Father in new covenant ministry. Tithing weakens the Royal Priesthood of Christians in Christ where Christians are supposed to give themselves as living sacrifice in the mission vision fields. The Christians Royal Priesthood in Christ Jesus is internally weekend from within ,fought and economically drained mostly for indoors ministries under revival of Leviticus priesthood by pastors. The Royal Priesthood is internally spiritually emaciated and trodden upon.2 Corinthians2:1-13, 2Peter 2:5-9. Priesthood involves sacrifices. The priesthood was changed from the old covenant( Leviticus Priesthood) to the new covenant (Loyal Priesthood of labor in Christ without tithes allocations which is not appreciated) and the law governing it was changed. Jesus Christ told Peter look after his lambs and later to look after His sheep ( service) in clear shift from Leviticus priesthood John 21:15-17. Under Leviticus priesthood an animal for sacrifice was alive between the alter of sacrifice and the Levite priest holding the sacrificial knife. Sheep remained alive for a period of time only when they were delivered many animals for sacrifice and the alter could not hold them all for sacrifice .We are dead to sin and alive in Christ who live in us being a living sacrifice to God. Levite Pastors and Priest are comfortable with brethren who live like dead sacrifice. Levite priests were to labor to sacrifice and not tendering the flocks or do any farming ,Numbers 18:20-32. They lived in walled towns .Pastors and Priests who revive the Leviticus priesthood removed by Christ and merge it to the Loyal priesthood of Christ do so for personal gains in mass cheating for self tithes allocations. Leviticus priesthood under law remained hostile to the Ministry of Christ and His disciples who suffered in their hands even after Christ’s death. Levite priests beat and wanted to kill all disciples of Christ whom they told not to preach in His name. Acts 5:17-42. Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr . Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests Acts;5:17-42.,. What pastors are not telling the Church (the bride/sons/ ambassadors /advocate of the word/children) is the reason Christ had in choosing the twelve disciples ( under new covenant in Grace ) and opted not to use the Levite Priests ( in old covenant under law) that were well established and placed had they to be chosen preach to the world. LET PASTORS , BISHOPS AND PRIESTS HONESTLY PURGE THEIR HEARTS AND SPEAK THE TRUTH ON TITHES. CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW IN THE OLD COVENANT. The intrigue of doctrinal falsehood on tithes smartly engineered and flamboyantly taught by them worldwide cannot be justified or be cleansed by their religious social status. Christians should not be for entertainments but for truth preached and taught which is not in contest in numerical strength for acceptance. It quite clear from the Bible that there is no perfection and justification under works of the law. Galatians 2:16- 21, Galatians 3:8-13,Galatians 4;4-5,Galatians 5:1,18. Hebrew 10;8-9. For Christians God has no pleasure for sacrifice and offerings and burnt offerings and offering for sins and for which is offered under law. THIS THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO HEAR.BUT THE SCRIPTURES REAMAIN QUITE CLEAR ON THE ISSUES. WHY WOULD THE CLERGY NOT TELL CHRISTIANS TO SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS BUT TITHE ? Christians give out love. Selective preaching and teaching on tithes falsehood cover up still remain. The emerging brushing angrily response on tithes falsehood by those who hold tithes dear to their bosom is quite clear. It is apparent clear to them the falsehood on tithes has been unmasked bare for all to see and understand. Their frustrations and anger have boiled down to wishing evils to those who do not support them on tithing. This is clear indication of the true nature of those Christian who manage tithes falsehood teachings close to their chests. In law men in old covenant remained the instructors and enforcers of the law. In new covenant the Holy Spirit remains our wonderful teacher and counselor in grace. For sure those who are in bondage of the law have men appreciation at hand but those lead by the Holy Spirit in Liberty within the yoke of Christ in grace have the acceptance of God. Christians should not be held spiritually hostage by falsehoods taught in concealed falsehood out of labor. When Christ taught give to Caesar what belonged to Caesar and what belong to God to God, Caesar was a Roman Colonial power authority over Israel, Mark 12:17. Without the Roman colonial power authority over Israel, the eleven tribes were giving tithes as a tax and offerings to the Levites who had spiritual authority and government power. The twelve tribes worshipped God together in temples in two sects of Sadducees and Pharisees in Judaism faith.
    They are amazed we stand in Christ without seeking their favor or consultation on tithes issue. They have stood as hero’s of faith in their endeavor in tithes falsehoods teachings. THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE MANY UNSUSPECTING BELIEVERS NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE TAUGHT MANY TIMES HAD BEEN DISCUSSED IN COUNCILS OF MEN FOR UNIFORMITY AND NOT WITH THE HOLLY SPIRIT. Christians should not be hoodwinked by glorious prosperous developments associated with benefits of teaching and preaching falsehood in exuberant manner. Let Bishops ,Pastors, Priests and Church Elders handle the Church of Christ within Christians doctrines established by Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles in the mission field vision. CHRISTIANS MUST FACE AND ADDRESS THE MASS SWEEPING AND SOOTHING FALSEHOOD TAUGHT BY SOME WELL EDUCATED ELITE CHRISTIANS ABOUT TITHES IN A SOBER SPIRITUAL REALITY FACE OUT. This is real unexpected falsehood from those held dearly in trust by many Christian. The situation becomes more murky and tricky when church elders are accomplished in the classic falsehood which puts the church into mental slavery. The Royal Priesthood in grace is quite different from Leviticus Priesthood under the law. Leviticus Priesthood in the old covenant belonged to the Levite tribe among the eleven tribes in Israel but the Royal Priesthood in the new covenant under oppression and suppression belongs to all brethren in the world in Christ Jesus ( the Church / the body of Christ) who are ministers of the new covenant commissioned to preach to the world. The Royal Priesthood is well placed to reach the world more effectively at close quarters in Christ love and glory expected. It is quite unfortunate that Christians unknowingly are victims of systematic unmarked high professional intellectual falsehood commercialization cover up in tithes teaching by learned Christians brethren which is a disservice to the (church) body of Christ. But Christians have been warned not to be fools since for some preaching and teaching falsehood is a smart act energetically engaged and Christians are openly conned .Ephesians 5:15-16. Tithing under law impoverishes the Royal Priesthood of Christ physically and spiritually which make the Great commission less effective. When all saved Christians are in Royal Priesthood, to whom do you tithe to in the in new covenant? The Royal Priesthood needs to take its place in Christian missions empowered in New Covenant for Christians to work in glory of Christ love intended for the body of Christ and not in glory of men. It quite clear from the Bible that there is no perfection and justification under works of the law. Galatians 2:16- 21, Galatians 3:8-13,Galatians 4;4-5, Galatians 5:1,18. Hebrew 10;8-9.Men have entailed vouched perfection for Christians through their hands in (offering under law)tithes. This would be a clear spiritual blindness and slavery for many Christians bound to overcome.
    A fountain cannot produce sweet and bitter water the same time. James 3:8-18. We Christian are saved by GRACE IN CHRIST LOVE(Spiritual Law) for we cannot be subjected to law of sin and death crucified and done away by Christ on cross of Calvary. We are subjected to spiritual law of life in Christ Jesus and ought to have the spiritual understanding of the Word of God in liberty without corrupting the Word of God. Roman 8:1-2, Colossians 1:9-10. As God has blessed us in common inheritance of the saints, we should give sacrificially as we have purposed in our hearts in liberty and in love, Galatians 5:1, 2Corinthians 9;6-7, Galatians 6:6-7, Hebrew6:6-12,Hebrew13:11-16. Christ taught spiritual giving to God and to our parents, Luke 6:8 ,Matthew15:5-9. Paul also taught the same .2Corinthians 9:6-14, Philippians 2:4-5. Aaron was given unto Moses, the Levite tribe was given unto Aaron, the eleven tribes of Israel were given unto Levite tribe to serve them but we Christians are purchased through the blood of Christ we are no man servants but servants of Christ 1Corinthians 7:21-2 , God is our father and our readily help in times of needs and not men. We are warned not to call any man our father in the spirit. Mathew23:9. Some have made men their fathers and call them fathers turning them their gods on earth. Numbers 3:9-15. No servant can hinder children access to the Father and His blessed inheritance. Are pastors, priest and Bishops in the Royal Priesthood of Christ or are in the Leviticus priesthood? Who coordinate pastors only to work for Christ for a living. Apostles of Christ worked with their hands for a living and for preaching the Gospel of Christ. All saved Christians are servants of Christ in the Royal Priesthood of Christ. Do we make the spiritual understanding between the Leviticus Priesthood under the law and the Royal Priesthood in grace in the New Covenant or do we mix the two distinctive priesthoods cunningly for selfish gain to eliminate the so called clergy poverty and mess up with the doctrine of salvation in Grace? Christ gave some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and some teachers for the perfecting of saint in the work of the ministry for edifying the( church) body of Christ so us not to be deceived Ephesians4:11-19. Who set aside and allocated poverty and tithes to the pastors in preaching the Gospel of Christ since those who preach the Gospel (Christians/Royal priests) shall live by the Gospel or who bear the burden of mercy for the clergy to teach and preach falsehood on tithes for them not to be poor? When did they become pastors in poverty for the church to eliminate their poverty? Christians should share their wealth with the clergy willingly in Christ love but not in law. We are saved in Grace in Christ love and our sharing should be in love. We saved Christians are not justified by the law. Galatians 2:21. We saved Christians are servants of Christ Jesus in the Royal Priesthood of the saints. Why do many talk about key poverty of pastors on tithes among the five fold ministry? Where is their care and concerns for the other four ministries? Should the pastors ministry overshadow other ministries? All ministries should work as one body in the body of Christ. Foot soldiers who support falsehood on tithes preaching and teaching are calling Christians who do not support tithing to ask for forgiveness. Christians bear no apology to no one for preaching and teaching the truth . Only those who preach and teach falsehoods are hurt by the truth. Christians should not be coaxed by promises and threats hedged in non doctrinal falsehoods promises taught in personal ego gains. With God, the means justify the end in Jesus Christ. Christians should not be hoodwinked by groaning delivery of falsehoods and the glory associated with the successful fruits of falsehood benefits . As we speak on the falsehood on the doctrine of tithing for Christians, we have not closed our eyes to the needs of the Church nor have buried our heads in the sand devoid of understanding of our emotions to face the truth. We stand for truth aware of forces against the truth within the Church and outside the Church. We have been asked to ask for forgiveness for not supporting tithing without being told from whom to apply for forgiveness. We do not pursue and preserve justified falsehoods which meet the needs of the Church for with God, the means justify the end in Christ. We are told we point an accusing finger to the clergy on issues concerning tithes falsehoods. We are part of the body of Christ and no part of the body accuses other parts. All body parts coordinate in functions and take care of one another when giving our body parts that are not comely more honor .We only pin point doctrinal falsehood taught by clergy thus taking care of the body of Christ spiritually in love. We do not request to be spared on questions regarding our stand on tithes. We give answers as the Holy SPIRIT teaches us and enables us. We do not waver in our minds and hearts in our stand on tithes issues. If one is stuck in sticky clay of falsehood, us a Christian one has to owner up and warm up to the truth and shape up to be free in did. We are fully aware of glorious unstable spiritual empires built by men through falsehood under threat from the truth. If the empires fall apart there is no loss for Christians to worry about for apology.
    Those under the law are under curse and the law kills 2 Corinthians 3:6. Those lead by the Spirit are not under law and curses Galatians5: 6, Galatians 3:8-13. Christians are redeemed from the curse of the law to adoption of sons .Galatians4:4- 5. We saved Christians are not under law but under grace Roman6:13-14.Are they telling Christians curses under law are blessings for them or they have powers to remove curses when Christians tithe to them? Christians must remain spiritually alert and be not be spiritually blind, They have directed Christians to deceptive ways of curses for their own benefits and not blessings. The bounty of terror of deceptive covetousness is professionally tactically presented as blessing based on salvation under yard stick of tithes. Many pastors have illegally allocated all tithes to themselves. Tithes were for specifics needs under old covenant for specific people help. Apostles of CHRIST did not use concealed deceptive covetousness to preach the Gospel .1Thessalonians2:3-6.We should renounce hidden things of dishonesty and not walk craftily handling the Word of God deceitfully 2Corithians 4:1-2. The body of CHRIST has been subjected to doctrinal mess by Levite priests and Levite pastors. TITHE IS A PURE CLASSIC SLEEK DOCTRINAL FALSEHOOD FOR CHRISTIANS CULTIVATED IN UNMATCHED PERSONAL CONCEALED ZEAL BY PASTORS IN LEADERSHIP FOR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND GAINS WHO UNDERSTAND UNIVERSALLY ON TITHES AND SALVATION AND FAIL TO APPRECIATE THE TIME OF LAW AND THE TIME OF GRACE DISPENSATION. In willful deception by calling themselves the Levites of today who persecuted Christians and plunder Christians pockets today they are able to demand to be given tithes. Levites priests and elders never gave a helping hand to Christians. Christ did not leave His Church under Leviticus Priesthood and no Levite priest was chosen as His Apostle . Leviticus Priesthood is forced on the throats of Christians by pastors for perfectly concealed selfish interests and gains. Do they want to tell us that Christ and Apostles of Christ forgot to ask for tithes during the formative Christian Ministry stage. When we take the Word of God out of its content and contest ,we have contempt for the Word of God. He (GOD)who brought tithing under the old Covenant took it away in His(CHRIST) own rights in the new Covenant.
    We can preach the Word of God quoting scriptures like the devil when he tested Jesus or quote the scriptures like CHRIST when He answered satan in time of need. Matthew 4:1-11 . Jesus Christ taught men can teach commandments of men for doctrines. Mathew15:5-9. This addressed falsehood which can come from those in authority in the Church ( bishops, pastors, priest and elders) leadership. We can have a zeal of faith and commitment to establish our own righteousness not according to righteousness of God in the knowledge of his Word. Roman 10:1-4. Pastors and priests calling themselves Levites today have capitalized on low level Christian doctrinal knowledge teachings among Christians. Tithing contradict the doctrine of salvation in GRACE and deprive the Christians in Loyal Priesthood in Christ Jesus the individual empowerment to do the Great Commission. When we are loyal Priests to whom do we tithe to? Is it not even if it were in Natural world for servants to tithe to Loyal Priests? Pastors Priest and Bishops are also in the Loyal Priesthood of Jesus Christ all of us being sons and servants composing the body of Christ unless they exclude themselves. The underlying mystery is to deliver the Church of Christ in concealed form to Leviticus Priesthood for Priests ,Pastor and Bishops to enable them get tithes. Mathew15:5-9. We can preach the Word of God making the Church a house of merchandise to make merchandise of Christians and those who do so whose God is their belly which made Adam and Eve to fail in their relationship with God .It is a lucrative profitable business based on arithmetic of numbers cunningly preserved with tactical appreciations to the body of Christ and spreading of the Gospel. Are elect Christians deceived out of their wits? Romans 16:17 -19 ,2 Peter 2:1-3, John 2:16, Philppians3:17-19. We can preach Christ out of envy, strife or of good will. Philippians 1:15-17,2Corinthians4:1-2. It is the body of Christ the Church which is sent to preach to the world also as individuals brethren bearing the burden to preach to the world as Apostles of Christ did. The responsibility has not been on shoulders of priests and pastors only. Brethren are the loyal priests and ambassadors of Christ and has committed unto us the Church the word of reconciliation, 2 Corinthians :19-20. THERE WERE NO FENCE SITTINGS AND ARE NO FENCE SITTINGS IN THE NEW COVENANT MINISTRY MEDIATED BY OUR APOSTLE AND THE HIGH PRIEST OF OUR FAITH LORD JESUS CHRIST. Apostles labored with their hand to provide for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Christians offerings they received were not tithes. No one is specially chosen to be at receiving end of tithes so as to preach the Gospel of Christ. We saved Christians are the Loyal Priests AND Ambassadors of Christ.2 Peter 2:1-9, 2 Corinthians5:14-20. The preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not sorely in the hands of clergy. It is in the hands of the (Church) believers.
    Tithing is a hard topic to teach without spiritual understanding since we have many high profile elite preachers teaching on the same with books written of great hoped promises and condemnation on the same for those who do not tithe, Ephesians 5:6-7, 1Thessalonians 2:3-4. Some well educated elite Christians are involved in deceptive teaching on tithes which is warmly appreciated from the pulpit. They are the magnetizing force with alluring great hoped blessed promises of wealth based on tithes. When will it dawn on them that they teach doctrine of men a false doctrine on tithes for Christians saved by grace. On moving from one church to the church or by taking a flight from one continent to another continent on falsehood mission, lies taught on tithes by them cannot be justified by the sacrificial cost incurred to do so. Only when they uphold the truth and uplift Christ as they decrease and Christians stop earthly social status cult adoration in respect of human beings will truth prevails’. Pharisees and the Scribes were most well educated and Jesus said woe unto them seven times for being stumbling blocks in faith. Mathew 23:9-39. We only need to rightly divide the Word of God and know whether we are Christians seeking salvation under the law or we are Christians saved by grace in Christ through the Spiritual law of love, Corinthians 1:12-16,2 Timothy 2:15 . We redeemed sons of God who are made Kings and priests unto God have a common inheritance in Christ Jesus, Galatians 4:4-5, Colssians1:9-14 ,1Corinthians 2:12-16. Revelation 1;4-6 .Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr . Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests, Acts;5:17-42. We are called spiritual sons of God after salvation not before in fallen state and who are enabled to do the righteousness that was in the law but we are not under the law. The same priests and pastors wreck the spiritual scriptures when they teach fallen Angles are called sons of God who married daughters of men giving offspring of giants , Genesis 6:1-8. God says he has never called any angles his son, Hebrew 1:4-5.When were fallen angles redeemed and sanctified to be called sons? The ownership of increased daughters is unto men before being referred to as sons of God and the lust to polygamous marriage was with men. Are beautiful daughters born today for men? Shall we have another episode of fallen angles marrying daughters of men before the close of age? Many have taught the Word of God outside Biblical doctrines so many are deceived in their teaching and preaching which condemn God as unjust since no judgment is passed to angles they refer to as sons of God. When men dropped further from grace when they practiced polygamous marriage and their life span was reduced to one hundred and twenty years , no judgment is passed to purposed angles they teach us sons of God. The sons of God were men who had done reconciliation to God the same way Abel had done and was accepted by God. The judgment is specifically to mankind and giants born in sin of polygamous marriage do not qualify the sons of God to be angles. Angles are ministering spirits with no reproductive empowerment, Matthew 22:29-32, Hebrew 1:14-14.
    Our relationship to God our Father is in love in our loyal priesthood to the world. Roman 8:14-17. Only those who are not sincere mix teaching under carnal law and spiritual teaching enlightenment under spiritual law. When we study the old covenant it should help us get rooted deeply in the new covenant. The devil uses the nobles, evil and false witness to do his will according to circumstances, Acts 13;50-51 Acts 6: 9-14. Christians must remain wise and not be cheated by devils workers transforming themselves as angles of light which corrupt the Word of God, 2Corinthians2:17, 2Corinthians11: 13-15. Levites Pastor, Priests and some Christians misquote Jesus Christ on judgment. Judge not that you may be not judged . Matthew7:1-5. They say God prohibit judgment which is not true since it is based on taking the scripture out of content and contest on understanding Jesus statement. It has given them a highway of teaching lies without being questioned. They have separated themselves from the body of Christ to ideal entity who cannot be censured. Shall you close your eyes to evils committed that they may not judge you. Do you buy yourself freedom from being judged for not condemning evil or commenting on anything positive or negative. The preaching of the Word of God is based on judgment on sins and righteousness . God requires from us righteous judgment in wisdom and in love which condemn sins which leads man to repentant of sins and redemption. The Word of God in its content and contest states judgment on sins and righteousness. All living beings and organic life are in constant judgment for existent. If we can stop all processes of judgments life will come to a standstill and ultimate death with final judgment of decay. Life and all creation were established in good judgment by God and close of age shall end in judgment to eternal life or eternal death which is eternal life of suffering and separation from God. Genesis 1:1-31, Genesis 2:1-25. Even our bodies judge us out of energy and we hunger for food and thirst for water. All witty discoveries are results of acknowledgment of positive judgments on active well coordinated principals. Christians are encouraged to solve cases in judgment among themselves. 1Corinthians 6:1-7,The Bible encourage us that our love may abound yet more in knowledge and in all Judgment and we judge ourselves dead in Christ, 2 Corinthians5:14 ,Philippians 1:9-12. Life is in active constant judgments and the creation mourns for final judgment which it shall be subjected by God. We relate in evaluation to all things in judgment. What we known and do not know is based on judgment. What we believe right or wrong is based on judgment. Irrespective of any judgment delivered on us we should delivers the Heavenly Kingdom judgment to sins . We saved Christians are counted and judged worthy to suffer tribulations together with Christ when we live Christian life in love ,Revelation Chapter1,2 and3. We thus judge ourselves dead in Christ.
    There are may be those who preach tithing to saved Christians for lack of spiritual understanding. We should girdle up the loins of our minds as the knowledgeable wise sharers of the Word of God . 1Peter :13-15.Roman 10:1-4. We shall be off the hook of being soothed ,cornered, and been cheated on doctrinal issue in Christianity. God bless us in abundant grace of spiritual revelation and spiritual understanding of His Holy Word, Colssians1:9-14, Ephesians 5:6 -7,1Thessalonians 2:3-6, 2Timothy2:15, 2Timothy 2:24-26 . Amen .I am happy and blessed to interact with you on spiritual teachings. Hope we shall search more scriptures for our spiritual growth . Yearning to receive your input on the topic .God bless you.
    The message is freely given purely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide.
    By Br. Robert Munyui Kamunyu.

  129. Tithing was under and is under the law with a curse for Christians seeking salvation under the law, Galatians 3:3-13, Malachi 3:1-18. When pastors and priest lie by quoting Malachi 3:1-18,under the law IN OLD COVENANT, how many Christians line up to be served with food when tithes and offering under the law are given? Is the storehouse pastors’ and priests’ house or the Church being the body of Christ? Saved Christians by grace IN NEW COVENANT who are lead and taught by the Holy Spirit are not under law or in curse in the law. Those who simply imply Christians are under curse for not tithing put into question about unfinished work of redemption (SALVATION) by Christ Jesus on cross of Calvary which is bought and maintained continuously in tithes paid to them. Yet Christ is not ashamed to call us brethren whom He has sanctified. Hebrew 2:9-13.We have been redeemed from the curse of the law, Christ being made a curse for us : for it is written, cursed is everyone that hangs on a tree. Galatians 3:8-13. Christians saved by grace are ministers of the new testament born of love with exceeding glory which surpassed the glory that was in law with Moses. We have been redeemed from the curse of the law to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood ( Pastors ,Priest and Bishops who are servants of God cannot subject sons of God in Royal Priesthood to tithe taxes- absolute illegal) and are not under the law, Galatians 5:1, Galatians4:4-5,2 Corinthians 3:1-18. Salvation under the law one attains it at last breath on earth having done all that pertains to the law which is hard for one to accomplish. Even the tithe which was given by Abraham was under the law of sin and death from the fall of Adam and Eve. Those who lie would like to deceive Christians that tithe was before the law but before which law. When Christ was born He was given gifts and not tithes Mathew 2:11-12. Salvation under spiritual law of love by grace is freely given and attained with free miracles from God our Father, Ephesians 2:4 -9, Ephesians 2:13 -20. Under Leviticus priesthood tithes were given to Levites priests for use by the tribe of Levi and tithe of tithe to the high Priest for they shared no land apart from the walled towns they were allocated to stay in for their continuous sacrifice to God, Numbers 18:20 -29.Widows, strangers ,fatherless and orphans benefited from tithes and offerings given to Levites, Deuteronomy 14:22-29. In Christianity widows were asked to be catered by close brethren to ease burden to the Church. There were also tithes of different kinds in Israel. There was also a tithe where a family had to eat all before the Lord, Deutreronomy12:6-7. In Christ Jesus we are saved by grace to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood of Christ and not by works of law ,Galatians 3:8-13,Acts13: 38-39, Galatians 4: 4-5, Galatians2:16-21, Galatians 5:18. Sons have direct access to the Father and free common inheritance not bought or worked for from the Father. For servants ( Pastors and Priest) are servants of God worthy all respects and due help.
    IN NEW TESTAMENT two priesthood are compared Hebrew7: 7-28, Hebrew8:6 -13, Hebrew 9:6-9, Hebrew 10:8-23. Leviticus priesthood under the law with tithes, death, discontinuity and its acceptance under glory of law without the great commission was done away in Christ and the Holy Priesthood of Christ without tithes, death and discontinuity with exceeding glory under which Christians are in salvation being a Holy nation and Loyal Priests to preach to the world GOD being their Father in New Covenant Ministry. In that He said, a new covenant He has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxed old is ready to vanish away Hebrew8:-13. Tithing weakens the Royal Priesthood of Christians in Christ where Christians are supposed to give themselves as living sacrifice in the mission vision fields. The Christians Royal Priesthood in Christ Jesus is internally weekend from within ,fought and economically drained mostly for indoors ministries under revival of Leviticus priesthood by pastors. The Royal Priesthood is internally spiritually emaciated and trodden upon.2 Corinthians2:1-13, 2Peter 2:5-9. Priesthood involves sacrifices. The priesthood was changed from the old covenant( Leviticus Priesthood) to the new covenant (Loyal Priesthood of labor in Christ without tithes allocations which is not appreciated) and the law governing it was changed. Christ requested His disciples to give the crowd food to eat , Matthew 14:15-16. Jesus Christ told Peter look after his lambs and later to look after His sheep ( service) in clear shift from Leviticus priesthood John 21:15-17. JESUS CHRIST our High Priest is the mediator of the better New Covenant established upon better promises. Hebrew8:6-8. Under Leviticus priesthood an animal for sacrifice was alive between the alter of sacrifice and the Levite priest holding the sacrificial knife. Sheep remained alive for a period of time only when they were delivered many animals for sacrifice and the alter could not hold them all for sacrifice .We are dead to sin and alive in Christ who live in us being a living sacrifice to God.
    Levite Pastors and Priest are comfortable with brethren who live like dead sacrifice. Levites priests were to labor to sacrifice and not tendering the flocks or do any farming ,Numbers 18:20-32 Joshua7:7.They lived in walled towns .Pastors and Priests who revive the Leviticus priesthood removed by Christ and merge it to the Loyal priesthood of Christ do so for personal gains in mass meticulous cheating in tithes allocations. Leviticus priesthood under law remained hostile to the Ministry of Christ and His disciples who suffered in their hands even after Christ’s death. Levite priests beat and wanted to kill all disciples of Christ whom they told not to preach in His name. Acts 5:17-42. Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr . Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests Acts;5:17-42. What pastors are not telling the Church (the bride/sons/ ambassadors /advocate and ministers of the new covenant in the Word/children) is the reason Christ had in choosing the twelve disciples ( under new covenant in Grace ) and opted not to use the Levite Priests (in old covenant under law) that were well established and placed had they to be chosen preach to the world. LET PASTORS , BISHOPS AND PRIESTS HONESTLY PURGE THEIR HEARTS AND SPEAK THE TRUTH ON TITHES. CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW IN THE OLD COVENANT. The intrigue of doctrinal falsehood on tithes smartly engineered and flamboyantly taught by them worldwide cannot be justified or be cleansed by their religious social status. Christians should not be for entertainments but for truth preached and taught which is not in contest in numerical strength for acceptance. It quite clear from the Bible that there is no perfection and justification under works of the law. Galatians 2:16- 21, Galatians 3:8-13,Galatians 4;4-5,Galatians 5:1,18. Hebrew 10;8-9. For Christians God has no pleasure for sacrifice and offerings and burnt offerings and offering for sins and for which is offered under law. WHY WOULD THE CLERGY NOT TELL CHRISTIANS TO SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS BUT TITHE ? Selective preaching and teaching on tithes falsehood cover up still remains. Tithes falsehood taught has remained guarded and guided in shrewd cover up of honored fortune justification hidden in tithes falsehood teaching proliferation. Christians must know the truth to be free and move from being trapped in great justified doctrinal falsehood taught ,Ephesians4:11-14. In law men in old covenant remained the instructors and enforcers of the law. In new covenant the Holy Spirit remains our wonderful teacher and counselor in grace. For sure those who are in bondage of the law have men appreciation at hand but those lead by the Holy Spirit in Liberty within the yoke of Christ in grace have the acceptance of God. Christians should not be held spiritually hostage by unifying falsehoods taught in concealed falsehood out of labor. This would be spiritual blindness and slavery for many Christians hard for some to overcome. Apostles did not teach and preach the Gospel Of Jesus Christ through deceptive greediness but by sound doctrines, 2Peter:1-3. Christians taught for doctrines the commandments of men replace Jesus Christ for men who become their gods. They admire them for their earthly great achievements and they testify much of their stardom. Mathew 15: 5-9. There is the church of men where men teach for doctrines commandments of men and Church of Jesus Christ which cannot be swallowed by institutionalized organized falsehood and greed concealed in martyrdom of false knowledge which is not in the True Word of God. Even those workers of iniquity with miracles shall not cheat and defeat the church of Christ since He holds the Church in His holy hands in due time. Matthew15:8-9. The gates of hell shall not prevail over the Church of Jesus Christ. Mathew16:18. The Church of Christ cannot live by glorious commandments instituted by men standards. Christians must break free and be clean from men commandments enslavement. Christians’ true love and care will then freely flourish. Christians should not feel comfortable for being appreciated for accepting and supporting goals of concealed falsehood taught through feigned words in covetousness to make merchandize of us,2 Peter2:1-3
    They are amazed and bitter for we stand for Christ without seeking their favor or consultation on tithes issues without joining the sweeping wave in teaching tithes falsehood benefits acclaimed. The way they have reacted to those who are opposed to tithes as a doctrinal falsehoods for Christians shows well from the comfort of their hearts that they are deeply battered by the truth and have realized they are known on cheating on tithes fortunes. We are not in competition in teaching about tithes falsehood. It befit us well to be called Christians of low estate with little minds for not supporting tithes teachings for us to fit perfectly in the will of Jesus Christ. We are satisfied with what God has provided us without gains of falsehood. We do not clamor for glamorous wealth of falsehood. They have stood as heroes in championing tithing as a way getting blessings for Christians from God which we have totally disagreed with them which they look as affront to their spiritual dignity. They have degraded the Royal Priesthood of Christ and nullified grace and love of Christ to themselves. THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE MANY UNSUSPECTING BELIEVERS NOT KNOWING WHAT THEIR ARE TAUGHT MANY TIMES HAD BEEN DISCUSSED IN COUNCILS OF MEN FOR UNIFORMITY AND NOT WITH THE HOLLY SPIRIT. Let Bishops ,Pastors, Priests and Church Elders handle the Church of Christ within Christians doctrines established by Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles in the mission field vision. CHRISTIANS MUST FACE AND ADDRESS THE MASS SWEEPING AND SOOTHING FALSEHOOD TAUGHT BY SOME WELL EDUCATED ELITE CHRISTIANS ABOUT TITHES BENEFITS AND BLESSINGS IN A SOBER SPIRITUAL REALITY FACE OUT. Tithes teaching is unexpected real falsehood from those held dearly in trust by many Christian. The situation becomes more murky and tricky when church elders are accomplished in the classic falsehood which puts the church into mental slavery. The Royal Priesthood in grace is quite different from Leviticus Priesthood under the law. Leviticus Priesthood in the old covenant belonged to the Levite tribe among the eleven tribes in Israel but the Royal Priesthood in the new covenant under oppression and suppression belongs to all brethren in the world in Christ Jesus ( the Church / the body of Christ) who are ministers of the new covenant commissioned to preach to the world. The Royal Priesthood is well placed to reach the world more effectively at close quarters in Christ love and glory expected. It is quite unfortunate that Christians unknowingly are victims of systematic unmarked high professional intellectual falsehood commercialization cover up in tithes teaching by learned Christians brethren which is a disservice to the (church) body of Christ. But Christians have been warned not to be fools since for some preaching and teaching falsehood is a smart act energetically engaged and Christians are openly conned .Ephesians 5:15-16. Tithing under law impoverishes the Royal Priesthood of Christ physically and spiritually which make the Great commission less effective. When all saved Christians are in Royal Priesthood, to whom do you tithe to in the in new covenant? The Royal Priesthood needs to take its place in Christian missions empowered in New Covenant for Christians to work in glory of Christ love intended for the body of Christ. It quite clear from the Bible that there is no perfection and justification under works of the law. Galatians 2:16- 21, Galatians 3:8-13,Galatians 4;4-5, Galatians 5:1,18. Hebrew 10;8-9. Jesus Christ and his twelve disciples did not ask for tithes but only comments were made on tithes under the law. As early church had needs equally relevant to their time and did not ask for tithes ,we too have needs relevant to our time which require solving but no through tithes offerings.
    A fountain cannot produce sweet and bitter water the same time. James 3:8-18. A new piece of cloth does not patch an old cloth nor do men put new wine in old bottles. Matthew 9:16-17. And with the priesthood changed there was need of changing the law governing it. Our royal priesthood in Christ Jesus is not after law of carnal commandment but after power of endless life Hebrews 7:7-26 .We Christian are saved by GRACE IN CHRIST LOVE(Spiritual Law) for we cannot be subjected to carnal law of sin and death crucified and done away by Christ on cross of Calvary. We are subjected to spiritual law of life in New Covenant in Christ Jesus and ought to have the spiritual understanding of the Word of God in liberty without corrupting the Word of God. Roman 8:1-2, Colossians 1:9-10. As God has blessed us in common inheritance of the saints, we should give sacrificially as we have purposed in our hearts in liberty and in love, Galatians 5:1, 2Corinthians 9;6-7, Galatians 6:6-7, Hebrew6:6-12,Hebrew13:11-16. Christ taught spiritual giving to God and to our parents, Luke 6:8 ,Matthew15:5-9. Paul also taught the same .2Corinthians 9:6-14, Philippians 2:4-5. Aaron was given unto Moses, the Levite priests were given unto Aaron, the eleven tribes of Israel were given unto Levite tribe to serve them but we Christians are purchased through the blood of Christ we are no man servants but servants of Christ 1Corinthians 7:21-2 ,God is our Father and our readily help in times of needs and not men. We are warned not to call any man our father in the spirit. Mathew23:9. Some have made men their fathers and call them fathers turning them their gods on earth. Numbers 3:9-15. No servant can hinder children access to the Father and His blessed inheritance. Are pastors, priest and Bishops in the Royal Priesthood of Christ or are in the Leviticus priesthood? Who coordinate pastors only to work for Christ for a living. Apostles of Christ worked with their hands for a living and for preaching the Gospel of Christ. All saved Christians are servants of Christ in the Royal Priesthood of Christ. Do we make the spiritual understanding between the Leviticus Priesthood under the law and the Royal Priesthood in grace in the New Covenant or do we mix the two distinctive priesthoods cunningly for selfish gain to eliminate the so called clergy poverty and mess up with the doctrine of salvation in Grace? Christ gave some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and some teachers for the perfecting of saint in the work of the ministry for edifying the( church) body of Christ so us not to be deceived Ephesians4:11-19. Who set aside and allocated poverty and tithes to the pastors in preaching the Gospel of Christ since those who preach the Gospel (Christians/Royal priests) shall live by the Gospel or who bear the burden of mercy for the clergy to teach and preach falsehood on tithes for them not to be poor? When did they become pastors in poverty for the church to eliminate their poverty? Christians should share their wealth with the clergy willingly in Christ love but not in law. We are saved in Grace in Christ love and our sharing should be in love. We saved Christians are not justified by the law. Galatians 2:21. We saved Christians are servants of Christ Jesus in the Royal Priesthood of the Saints. Why do many talk about key poverty of pastors on tithes among the five fold ministry? Where is their care and concerns for the other four ministries for they vouched for tithes not for the benefit of the body of Christ? This has brought a flood gate of preaching entrepreneurship boom diligently anchored by many on tithes. Some have spoken from the pulpit of brethren who don’t allow them eat tithes from their labor. Do they preach and teach for souls to be saved or for economic gains in tithes eating? Are they in Leviticus Priesthood or in Royal Priesthood of Christ? A GENUINE ANSWER IS REQUIRED FOR NON DOUBLE STANDARD DOCTRINAL FAITH.
    Should the pastors ministry overshadow other ministries? All ministries should work as one body in the body of Christ. Foot soldiers who support falsehood on tithes preaching and teaching are calling Christians who do not support tithing to ask for forgiveness in face saving cover up. They have stood as heroes of faith in tithes teachings falsehood. Christians bear no apology to no one for preaching and teaching the truth . Only those who preach and teach falsehoods are hurt by the truth. Christians should not be coaxed by great promises and deadly threats hedged in none doctrinal falsehoods promises taught in guarded personal ego gains. With God, the means justify the end in Jesus Christ. Christians should not be hoodwinked by groaning delivery of falsehoods and the glory associated with the fruits of falsehood benefits . As we speak on the falsehood on the doctrine of tithing for Christians, we have not closed our eyes to the needs of the Church nor have buried our heads in the sand devoid of understanding of our emotions to face the truth. We stand for truth aware of forces against the truth within the Church and outside the Church. We have been asked to ask for forgiveness for not supporting tithing without being told from whom to apply for forgiveness. We do not pursue and preserve justified falsehoods which meet easily the needs of the Church for with God, the means justify the end in Christ. We are told we point an accusing finger to the clergy on issues concerning tithes falsehoods. We are part of the body of Christ and no part of the body accuses other parts. All body parts coordinate in functions and take care of one another when giving our body parts that are not comely more honor .We only pin point doctrinal falsehood taught by clergy thus taking care of the body of Christ spiritually in love. We do not waver in our minds and hearts in our stand on tithes issues. If one is stuck in sticky clay of falsehood, us a Christian one has to owner up and warm up to the truth and shape up to be free in did. We are fully aware of glorious unstable spiritual empires built on quick sand by men through falsehood under threat from the truth. If the empires fall apart there is no loss for Christians to worry about for apology. We are warned of danger of teaching and preaching the truth by exposing ourselves to well organized affluent churches of men. We stand for Christ in life and death. Well organized fruitful falsehoods from those in authority do not translate to truth and righteousness.
    Those under the law are under curse and the law kills 2 Corinthians 3:6. Those lead by the Spirit are not under law and curses Galatians5: 6, Galatians 3:8-13. Christians are redeemed from the curse of the law to adoption of sons . Roman 8:1-17,Galatians4:4- 5. We saved Christians are not under law but under grace Roman6:13-14.Are they telling Christians curses under law are blessings for them or they have powers to remove curses when Christians tithe to them? Christians must remain spiritually alert and be not be spiritually blind, They have directed Christians to deceptive ways of curses for their own benefits and not blessings. The bounty of terror of deceptive covetousness is professionally tactically presented as blessing based on salvation under yard stick of tithes. Many pastors have illegally allocated all tithes to themselves. Tithes were for specifics needs under old covenant for specific people help. Apostles of CHRIST did not use concealed deceptive covetousness to preach the Gospel .1Thessalonians2:3-6.We should renounce hidden things of dishonesty and not walk craftily handling the Word of God deceitfully 2Corithians 4:1-2. The body of CHRIST has been subjected to doctrinal mess by Levite priests and Levite pastors. TITHE IS A PURE CLASSIC SLEEK DOCTRINAL FALSEHOOD FOR CHRISTIANS CULTIVATED IN UNMATCHED PERSONAL CONCEALED ZEAL BY PASTORS IN LEADERSHIP FOR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND GAINS WHO UNDERSTAND UNIVERSALLY ON TITHES AND SALVATION AND FAIL TO APPRECIATE THE TIME OF LAW AND THE TIME OF GRACE DISPENSATION. In willful deception by calling themselves the Levites of today who persecuted Christians and plunder Christians pockets today they are able to demand to be given tithes. Levites priests and elders never gave a helping hand to Christians. Christ did not leave His Church under Leviticus Priesthood and no Levite priest was chosen as His Apostle . Leviticus Priesthood is forced on the throats of Christians by pastors for perfectly concealed selfish interests and gains. Do they want to tell us that Christ and Apostles of Christ forgot to ask for tithes during the early formative stage of Christian Ministry. When we take the Word of God out of its content and contest ,we have contempt for the Word of God. He (GOD)who brought tithing under the old Covenant took it away in His(CHRIST) own Divine rights in the new Covenant.
    We can preach the Word of God quoting scriptures like the devil when he tested Jesus or quote the scriptures like CHRIST when He answered satan in time of need. Matthew 4:1-11 . Jesus Christ taught men can teach commandments of men for doctrines. Mathew15:5-9. This addressed falsehood which can come from those in authority in the Church ( bishops, pastors, priest and elders) leadership. We can have a zeal of faith and commitment to establish our own righteousness not according to righteousness of God in the knowledge of his Word. Roman 10:1-4. Pastors and priests calling themselves Levites today have capitalized on low level Christian doctrinal knowledge teachings among Christians. Tithing contradict the doctrine of salvation in GRACE and deprive the Christians in Loyal Priesthood in Christ Jesus the individual empowerment to do the Great Commission. When we are loyal Priests to whom do we tithe to? Is it not even if it were in Natural world for servants to tithe to Loyal Priests? Pastors Priest and Bishops are also in the Loyal Priesthood of Jesus Christ all of us being sons and servants composing the body of Christ unless they exclude themselves. The underlying mystery is to deliver the Church of Christ in concealed form to Leviticus Priesthood for Priests ,Pastor and Bishops to enable them demand tithes. Mathew15:5-9. We can preach the Word of God making the Church a house of merchandise to make merchandise of Christians and those who do so whose God is their belly which made Adam and Eve to fail in their relationship with God .It is a lucrative profitable business based on arithmetic of numbers cunningly preserved with tactical appreciations to the body of Christ and spreading of the Gospel. Are elect Christians deceived out of their wits? Romans 16:17 -19 ,2 Peter 2:1-3, John 2:16, Philppians3:17-19. We can preach Christ out of envy, strife or of good will. Philippians 1:15-17,2Corinthians4:1-2. It is the body of Christ the Church which is sent to preach to the world also as individuals brethren bearing the burden to preach to the world as Apostles of Christ did. The responsibility has not been on shoulders of priests and pastors only. Brethren are the loyal priests and ambassadors of Christ and has committed unto us the Church the word of reconciliation, 2 Corinthians :19-20. THERE WERE NO FENCE SITTINGS AND ARE NO FENCE SITTINGS IN THE NEW COVENANT MINISTRY MEDIATED BY OUR APOSTLE AND THE HIGH PRIEST OF OUR FAITH LORD JESUS CHRIST. Apostles labored with their hand to provide for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Christians’ offerings they received were not tithes. No one is specially chosen to be at receiving end of tithes so as to preach the Gospel of Christ. We saved Christians are the Loyal Priests AND Ambassadors of Christ.2 Peter 2:1-9, 2 Corinthians5:14-20. The preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not entirely sorely in the hands of clergy. It is in the hands of the (Church) believers.
    Tithing is a hard topic to teach without spiritual understanding since we have many high profile elite preachers teaching on the same with books written of great hoped promises and condemnation on the same for those who do not tithe, Ephesians 5:6-7, 1Thessalonians 2:3-4. Some well educated elite Christians are involved in deceptive teaching on tithes which is warmly appreciated from the pulpit. They are the magnetizing force with alluring great hoped blessed promises of wealth based on tithes. When will it dawn on them that they teach doctrine of men a false doctrine on tithes for Christians saved by grace. On moving from one church to the church or by taking a flight from one continent to another continent on falsehood mission, lies taught on tithes by them cannot be justified by the sacrificial cost incurred to do so. Only when they uphold the truth and uplift Christ as they decrease and Christians stop earthly social status cult adoration in respect of human beings will truth prevails’. Pharisees and the Scribes were most well educated and Jesus said woe unto them seven times for being stumbling blocks in faith. Mathew 23:9-39. We only need to rightly divide the Word of God and know whether we are Christians seeking salvation under the law or we are Christians saved by grace in Christ through the Spiritual law of love, Corinthians 1:12-16,2 Timothy 2:15 . We redeemed sons of God who are made Kings and priests unto God have a common inheritance in Christ Jesus, Galatians 4:4-5, Colssians1:9-14 ,1Corinthians 2:12-16. Revelation 1;4-6 .Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr . Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests, Acts;5:17-42. We are called spiritual sons of God after salvation not before in fallen state and who are enabled to do the righteousness that was in the law but we are not under the law. The same priests and pastors wreck the spiritual scriptures when they teach fallen Angles are called sons of God who married daughters of men giving offspring of giants , Genesis 6:1-8. God says he has never called any angles his son, Hebrew 1:4-5.When were fallen angles redeemed and sanctified to be called sons? The ownership of increased daughters is unto men before being referred to as sons of God and the lust to polygamous marriage was with men. Are beautiful daughters born today for men? Shall we have another episode of fallen angles marrying daughters of men before the close of age? Many have taught the Word of God outside Biblical doctrines so many are deceived in their teaching and preaching which condemn God as unjust since no judgment is passed to angles they refer to as sons of God. When men dropped further from grace when they practiced polygamous marriage and their life span was reduced to one hundred and twenty years , no judgment is passed to purposed angles they teach us sons of God. The sons of God were men who had done reconciliation to God the same way Abel had done and was accepted by God. The judgment is specifically to mankind and giants born in sin of polygamous marriage do not qualify the sons of God to be angles. Angles are ministering spirits with no reproductive empowerment, Matthew 22:29-32, Hebrew 1:14-14.
    Our relationship to God our Father is in love in our loyal priesthood to the world. Roman 8:14-17. Only those who are not sincere mix teaching under carnal law and spiritual teaching enlightenment under spiritual law. When we study the old covenant it should help us get rooted deeply in the new covenant. The devil uses the nobles, evil and false witness to do his will according to circumstances, Acts 13;50-51 Acts 6: 9-14. Christians must remain wise and not be cheated by devils workers transforming themselves as angles of light which corrupt the Word of God, 2Corinthians2:17, 2Corinthians11: 13-15. Levites Pastor, Priests and some Christians misquote Jesus Christ on judgment. Judge not that you may be not judged . Matthew7:1-5. They say God prohibit judgment which is not true since it is based on taking the scripture out of content and contest on understanding Jesus statement. It has given them a highway of teaching lies without being questioned. They have separated themselves from the body of Christ to ideal entity who cannot be censured. Shall you close your eyes to evils committed that they may not judge you. Do you buy yourself freedom from being judged for not condemning evil or commenting on anything positive or negative. The preaching of the Word of God is based on judgment on sins and righteousness . God requires from us righteous judgment in wisdom and in love which condemn sins which leads man to repentant of sins and redemption. The Word of God in its content and contest states judgment on sins and righteousness. All living beings and organic life are in constant judgment for existent. If we can stop all processes of judgments life will come to a standstill and ultimate death with final judgment of decay. Life and all creation were established in good judgment by God and close of age shall end in judgment to eternal life or eternal death which is eternal life of suffering and separation from God. Genesis 1:1-31, Genesis 2:1-25. Even our bodies judge us out of energy and we hunger for food and thirst for water. All witty discoveries are results of acknowledgment of positive judgments on well active coordinated principals. Christians are encouraged to solve cases in judgment among themselves. 1Corinthians 6:1-7,The Bible encourages us that our love may abound yet more in knowledge and in all Judgment and we judge ourselves dead in Christ, 2 Corinthians5:14 ,Philippians 1:9-12. Life is in active constant judgments and the creation mourns for final judgment which it shall be subjected by God. We relate in evaluation to all things in judgment. What we known and do not know is based on judgment. What we believe right or wrong is based on judgment. Irrespective of any judgment delivered on us we should delivers the Heavenly Kingdom judgment to sins. We saved Christians are counted and judged worthy to suffer tribulations together with Christ when we live Christian life in love ,Revelation Chapter1,2 and3. We thus judge ourselves dead to sin in Christ Jesus.
    There are may be those who preach tithing to saved Christians for lack of spiritual understanding. We should girdle up the loins of our minds as the knowledgeable wise sharers of the Word of God . 1Peter :13-15.Roman 10:1-4. We shall be off the hook of being soothed ,cornered, and been cheated on doctrinal issue in Christianity. God bless us in abundant grace of spiritual revelation and spiritual understanding of His Holy Word, Colssians1:9-14, Ephesians 5:6 -7,1Thessalonians 2:3-6, 2Timothy2:15, 2Timothy 2:24-26 . Amen
    I am happy and blessed to interact with you on spiritual teachings. Hope we shall search more scriptures for our beneficial spiritual growth . Yearning to receive your input on the topic .God bless you.
    The message is freely given purely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide.
    By Br. Robert Munyui Kamunyu

  130. I’ve started getting constant mail about sowing a seed to the Oral Ministry. It’s annoying. GOD need no money to provide someone else daily needs. HE needs us to believe and have faith.

    • charlotte

      oral was the founder of the prosperity gospel, created to fleece the flock. if he is so blessed by this, he does not need your money.

      • There are 2 types of giving in NT;
        1. Charity
        2. Supporting ministers

        When Paul was collecting money for poor,he was so aggressive that he never hesitated to collect the same from the poor! Poor helping poor is col

        But when he was on about ministerial support, he shied away from it, frequently hesitated to invoke his right to be supported though he taught it.

        Contrast that with modern churches. They are very aggressive in ministerial support but lackadaisical with charity. Why so? Charity really benefits someone else other than the collector so there is little incentive to collect. On the other hand,Ministerial support benefits the minister so they go out of their way including lying and blackmailing to collect it.

        I end by saying Paul was not a Christian ministers’ activist who went about enforcing his rights as a minister; he readily forfeited these so as not to burden nobody.

        How I wish we learnt from him!

        • vooke

          I agree.

          the modern church is not the church of the bible anymore.

          i have seen the lack of concern for the poor too many times.

          however, there are some that help the poor, but the ministers get paid first, and what is left is then shared.

  131. My Prophert keeping ask to sow seed every times he get word of prophercy every day.

    • Taslin

      your “prophet” is a criminal….motivated by greed, and what he is doing is by the devil, not God.

      dump him

      jesus never asked people for money when he helped them, and neither should true ministers.

      stop looking for a word from a human being, and seek god with all your heart, and read the bible filled with a desire to hear from the Lord’

      most ministers are fake now, and are not to be trusted.

      put your trust in God, not man

  132. Marianne, just when I think I have a handle on all this tithing business and am sure I know the truth in Scripture, here I am searching online to clarify some questions plaguing my thoughts. I’ve been sick for years and battle fatigue and it’s little wonder I start falling prey to negative thoughts. But once I start searching, I renew my mind to those things I thought were already solidified.

    I also however struggle over this issue that isn’t so matter-of-fact and I’m sure many do.

    I can watch the online “preachers” say “God wants to bless you”, then immediately get disgusted when they say “IF you send me” $100, $500, $1,000….whatever amount of the week they are using.

    But what of our everyday pulpit? I’ve yet to see a church that didn’t preach on tithes and offerings. Some may live in nicer homes since we’re always going to have the poor with us.

    And I’ve not seen one Christian church that doesn’t pour into the community or other programs and missions.

    Some are subtly doing the seed time and harvest doctrine while others still need to keep the church lights on and help those in need. So how do we truly discern the difference?

    I’ve repeatedly prayed over my own church in this yet still get mixed impressions.

    I don’t believe the children of the Kingdom of God are in so much danger from the TV evangelists as perhaps the real danger that may lie within our own church families.

    Yet we’re to gather together. So how does one effectively know with whom to gather? Or do we continue to gather and pray for God to guide us to the right family?

    Hard decisions.

  133. Thank you so much for preaching the truth so many people are led astray by the heresy of these falls prosperity preachers I cannot believe how intelligent people can fall for such a scam if they would only pick up the Bible and find the truth the way in the life of the true word of God instead of being spoonfed lies that may one day and said their salvation it’s time more people stood up and said this is wrong this is not right this is a lie . I heard a person say one time not to put your mouth on a preacher in the pulpit however the Bible does not say that at all it says that we can tell the truth if someone is preaching Piercy and lies about the word of God it’s time that true Christian stood up and said enough is enough

  134. “By faith Abel,.. Enock.. Noah,..Abraham,.. Sarah… and the Prophets: and all these , having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise, God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be perfect. Hebrew 11:1-40. Believers in Christ live under the new covenant of the Blood of Jesus Christ; a better dispensation that the dispensation of the Law and the Prophets, and a dispensation better than the dispensation of the patriarchs. Christianity is a relationship with God, a fellowship with the Holy Spirit. We are saved by grace through faith. Grace is what God has done for us in Christ through His death and ressuraction. We respond to that through faith. We love him because He first loved us. It is God’s will for his children to prosper in all things. A believer who understands grace expresses love through giving. Nevertheless, the believer gives free offering as he/she purposes in his/heart. Tithing is not for the new testament believer. If a person believes in tithing, that person is prone to heresies that has to do with money.

  135. FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS & JUSTICE BY LSJ

    https://larrystewardjames.wordpress.com/home/

    13 July 2014

    Ms Mavis Chionh (Chief Prosecutor, EGD),

    Re: The Trial Kong Hee and five others of City Harvest Church

    Dear Mavis,

    Thank you for your endeavors to have justice served against Kong Hee and five others of City Harvest Church.

    Perhaps it helps should you be somewhat familiar with the theological jargon and spiritual landscape of the Church age in which the incumbent, their ilk and the rest of us live in.

    Part 1. Theological Jargon

    For it is a crying shame that since the Lord’s ascension in AD 32, followed by Pentecost that birthed the Church, Gnosticism soon plagued her with mysticism to eventually inundate the Church with fallacies to this day (Matthew 24-27; Revelation 1-3). It is therefore by no random act that you, Mavis, were tasked for such a time as this (Esther 4), and a time for some to undo a cult that they have spawned through the years. And should your defining moment have you face your nemesis in the likes of Kong Hee, take heart: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works (2 Corinthians 11: 13-15).

    For just as conjured parallels between Judaism and Islam seem amazing, amazing yet is one who preaches Jesus with a different gospel (2 Corinthians 11:4) and misses Him entirely! What more then shall the nation boast of if not for another heretic that has some 36,000 sheep under his watchful gaze–Kong Hee of City Harvest Church. Cho Yonggi, Benny Hinn and Phil Pringle are but the few that have hitched this wagon to only God knows where. Isn’t it amazing that God had vouchsafe for the worthless even though all nations before Him are as nothing, and they are counted by Him less than nothing and worthless (Isaiah 40:17)? Should USA be judged, she’s better off alphabetically. Should the scales fall from the eyes of the deluded, they will vomit the filth fed by these hireling shepherds that have crept in unawares to pollute every nook and cranny of the body of Christ. For that matter, Beyonce’s performance at Super Bowl 2013 can hardly differ depicting the deluded, be it the masses or a select few, that are ushered in rank and file, week in and week out to unwittingly channel in their alter ego plying the pulpit and yet be harnessed by deceit for merchandise. Madness. Never mind the gainsayers, should it baffle us when some make a defense of their pet heretic if only to confirm their delusion? Know that for every gainsayer, there are dozens more who are unbending in the pure Word of God.

    Make no mistake, Scripture itself sets the premise to expose false apostles, deceitful workers. Paul in guarding His flock with godly jealousy exposed the charlatans of his day –that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting (Ephesians 4:14). But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!…But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works (2 Corinthians 11:3, 4; 12-15)

    [Timothy 1:15.. those in Asia have turned away from me, among whom are Phygellus andHermogenes.; 2:17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 4:10 for Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world,…14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works. 15 You also must beware of him, for he has greatly resisted our words.]

    No sooner then that John too raised the alarm on end time frauds. Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also..These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. (1 John 2:18-23; 26, 27)

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world (1 John 4:1).

    For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. (2 John 7-11)

    I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting [them] out of the church (3 John 1:9, 10).

    Further study: Ezekiel 34 Irresponsible Shepherds; The Book of Jude: The Judgment on False Teachers; Old and New Apostates; Apostates Depraved and Doomed; Apostates Predicted; Revelation 1-3 The Seven Churches (that is the body of believers): The Loveless Church, The Presecuted Church, The Compromising Church, The Corrupt Church, The Dead Church, The Faithful Church, The Lukewarm Church.

    Thank you again for your endeavors to uphold righteousness and justice so that no one is above the Law.

    Blessings
    L.S. James

    Part II. The Spiritual Landscape

    It is appalling to witness all the writings and warnings about heresy real-time! With a famine of the Word via an absence of expository preaching and teaching these days, bible illiteracy has numbed the Lord’s sheep to core truths if only to cajole them into every wind of false doctrine peddled by the New Apostolic Reformation, the Word of Faith Movement, etc. Kindly be discerning of these unbiblical teachings and cryptic practices that many have unwittingly embraced as truth whilst Judeo-Christian buzzwords like sin, repentance, fear of the LORD, Judgment Seat of Christ, Great White Throne, are all but rare if not absent from the pulpit ministry let alone the vernacular of today’s postmodern believer. Leaders of the church of yesteryear and today need give a greater account for this before the Judgment Seat of Christ if not the Great White Throne should they have all been but hireling shepherds. Therefore, know your affiliates and your unwitting predicament amidst their ilk. For present here among the ecumenical body of nations is the National Council of Churches of Singapore. We, like sheep that have gone astray, shall one day bear account as to why we gravitated toward a one world religion and a one world government that is altogether Antichrist! I can put up signs to warn you but no further than the fiery Pit. There will be blood and some will burn! Church experience has gone from holy to harrowing to harassment! Ichabod–the glory has departed!’

    ..For when I returned to my home church Emmanuel Assembly of God (a staunch ally of City Harvest Church) in 2013 partly because my child fell ill and the church was there to pray, they welcomed me if only to a ‘Bethelized’ church that, having mingled dispensational theology with the victorious eschatology of the preterist postmillennialist, is now given over to the ‘Third Wave’ of the New Apostolic Reformation, the Emergent Church Movt, Word of Faith, etc. What seems like an obsession with ‘miracles, signs and wonders’ also fails to appreciate the Holy Spirit as a (third) Person of the holy trinity, let alone His work that includes exalting Christ instead of Himself. So when experience usurps dogma, mysticism for spirituality, works for salvation, relativism for absolutes, what blights a believer’s psyche is a different gospel, a different spirit and another Jesus (2 Cor 11:4; Gal 1; Matt 13:25). If there be anything biblical in this, it may affirm the strong delusion as God-sent (2 Thess 2:10-13) perhaps to those that desire novelty.

    This is exactly what the proponents of the Emergent Church (EC), the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and the Word of Faith (WOF) have done for a generation or so of dabbling with New Age metaphysics and spirituality that flails the believer’s psyche yet passes it as Gospel truth. In some cases, a church inundated in the Third Wave Movement may pass for a circus! Generally speaking, charismania tend to shy away from biblical scholarship (study) in favor of the touchy-feely ‘move of the Spirit.’ Rare then are decorated non-cessasionist (charismatic) scholars such as Gordon Fee and Wayne Grudem.

    Suffice to say, the pulpit is desecrated. Ministers, including the ilk of select guest speakers, and the worship team are all rather deviant in Holy Scripture. It is discernible that like most spineless ministers – money talks – for these are pliable to one’s dictates. Often then, pulpiteers have used the platform to propagate their cause via warped views and subtle suggestions. Psychology plays up then when psychosomatic hypnosis is passed for spirituality: how often is the congregation led into singing the same line for 20 times if only to desensitize their intellect before the sucker-punch? How, for the longest time, have the congregants been led to believe in false prophesies, lying tongues and false hopes? God knows the deception, the vanity and the futility of this delusion so much so that He Himself has sent it to the foolhardy. These all (that have embraced the likes of Bill Johnson, Che Ahn, Cho Yonggi, Kong Hee, Benny Hinn, etc.) will bear account for what they have fed their sheep and raised their sheep, if not goats. Christians ought to know that despite the different offices, we are on par with each other. No one believer has an overbearing authority that demands unquestioning allegiance from another. On the contrary, the church – individual and corporate – need be scrutinized of its intent, content, means, results and repercussions. That however seems remote ever since the restoration of the five-fold ministry in recent decades birthed a sham that demanded blind allegiance. Some churches have even been waylaid to convey all the characteristics of a cult. ‘Touch not my Anointed’ is often misunderstood, just like covetous Christians banking on the blessings of Deuteronomy 28 and leaving the curses for Israel; and Jeremiah 29:11 which is again about Israel and so many more which tantamount to replacement theology. Again people will be judged as to how they have treated the brethren of the Lord (Matt. 24-27).

    Was not the Church warned by John the Revelator (AD 95) of her plunge into apostasy (Rev 1-4)?

    And more recently by the following (which is an excerpt from L.S. James, Signs. An Eschatological Motif, p 61)

    “Marjoe.” Dir. Howard Smith, Sarah Kernochan. Perf. Marjoe Gortner. Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, 1972. DVD;
    General Council of the Assemblies of God, “1 The Believer and Positive Confession ©1980.” Web. 7 Oct 2012;
    Dave Hunt, Seduction of Christianity (CA: Harvest House Publishers, 1985);
    Gordon Fee, The Disease of the Health and Wealth Gospels (Vancouver: Regent College Publishing, 1985);
    D.R. McConnell, A Different Gospel: A Historical and Biblical Analysis of the Modern faith Movement (MA: Hendrickson Publishers, 1988);
    Albert James Dager, Kingdom Theology(1992)
    Hank Hanegraaff, Christianity in Crisis (Eugene: Harvest House, 1993);
    John MacArthur, Charismatic Chaos (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1993);
    Walter, Martin. The Kingdom of the Cults. ed. Ravi Zacarias (Grand Rapids: Baker Books, 2003);
    Lane Ch, “The Roots of the Emergent Church and Relevance” by Dr. Francis Schaeffer. Online video clip. YouTube. Oct 2, 2007. Web. 1 Dec 2012;
    Christian J. Pinto, “Megiddo II: The New Age, The Lie of the Serpent.” Contrib. Dave Hunt, Caryl Matrisciana, Kent Hovind, Joe Schimmel, Stan Monteith. Adullam Films, 2008. DVD;
    JohnTheBaptistTV “False spirits invade the church: Kundalini Warning by Andrew Strom. Part 1” YouTube. Online. Uploaded 5 Jul 2010. Web. 22 Jan 2012;
    The New Apostolic Reformation: What is it and where is it going? Every Pastor Needs This! by Bill Randles, Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Jacob Prasch, Mike Oppenheimer, Orrel Steinkamp, Gary Gilley, Dave Hunt, Sandy Simpson, et al. This is a 6-DVD exposé of the NAR and it’s leadership;
    Caryl Matrisciana, “Wide Is The Gate: The Emerging New Christianity” 5 DVD Volumes, 2011; “Secrets of the Vatican” Frontline PBS online 25 Feb 2014.
    Even the children’s curriculum at Sunday School is somewhat cryptic. We have 66 books canonized as Holy scripture that suffices for the ‘whole counsel of God’ yet how much do we make a sincere study of it like the saints of Berea that Paul commended? But to focus or make a foray into dreams, visions, epiphanies, visitations of angels and what not, at the expense of good sound doctrine, is something that even Moses, the Prophets and the apostles hardly do, let alone the vast warnings. These subjects are prone to deviate. We ought to concerntrate on mainstream theology. There is never too little to exhaust the so-called basic doctrines of the faith unless pride says ‘I’m too matured of a Christian for that.’

    Truly there is a famine of expository preaching and teaching in many churches, if not, in general should one discern the average believer grasp of Scripture. I have highlighted these deviant aspects to leaders of my church but to no avail. Rather still, I am marginalized as perhaps a dissident and a misfit. Not surprising though that according to some blogspots (e.g http://mkayla.wordpress.com/a-trip-in-charismania/), there are myriads of miserable misfits lodged in churches around the world witnessing their local congregants sliding down that slippery slope of self-deception. While their delusion is God-sent (2 Thess 2:11; 1 Kings 22:19-23) for itching ears, these poor souls think they are loved.

    As RC Sproul said in one of his public forums (Youtube) to this effect: ‘the Church is the most corrupt institution.’ So now with the influences of mystics like Bill Johnson, C. Peter Wagner, Che Ahn and the Christian right (courtesy of RJ Rushdooney, Gary North, David Chilton, etc.) this local church that mingles dispensational theology with the victorious eschatology of the preterist postmillennialist, have likewise been duped by American politics.

    Even ‘Al Jazeera called the NAR “America’s Own Taliban“ in an article highlighting NAR’s dominionism as bearing resemblance to Islamic extremism as seen in groups such as the Taliban due to the NAR’s language concerning spiritual warfare.’ Wikipedia. “New Apostolic Reformation.” n. d. Web. 1 Mar 2014; Paul Rosenberg, “America’s own Taliban. A fast growing right-wing politico-religious presence plans to implement an end-times, Christian theocracy in the US.” America’s own Taliban. Opinion. Al Jazeera English. 28 Jul 2011. Web. 1 Mar 2014.’ L.S.James, Signs. An Eschatological Motif (p 176. footnote)

    Latter-day Signs & Warnings of a Corrupt Church: “Trial of City Harvest Church leaders resumes” The Straits Times. online 13 Jan 2014. http://www.straitstimes.com/chc_funds_case

    “Fraud trial puts Singapore megachurch in unholy spotlight” – FT.com

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/0af86db6-7c09-11e3-84af-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2x3Aa3t2r;

    “German ‘bishop of bling’ resigns over spending scandal” BBC News online 26 Mar 2014; http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26746110;

    “World Vision Announces Gay Christians In Same-Sex Marriages Are Eligible To Work At Christian Charity [UPDATE]” huffingtonpost.com 26 Mar 2014.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/world-vision-gay-christians_n_5023036.html [Despite the latest retraction, perhaps because of public outcry, why the first mandate that defied Scripture?];

    “Secrets of the Vatican” Frontline PBS online 25 Feb 2014. [Parental Guidance advised]

    Ruth Moon, “Founder of World’s Largest Megachurch Convicted of Embezzling $12 Million.” Gleanings ChristianityToday.com online 24 Feb 2014. [Christianity Today & Huffington Post Report on David Yonggi Cho Scandal];

    Religious leaders highlight significance of water at WCC assembly — World Council of Churches. November 2013 A symbolic act of pouring water into one common vessel, carried out by religious leaders representing Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist faiths, marked the significance of water in various religious traditions. This action took place at the World Council of Churches (WCC) 10th Assembly, currently underway in Busan, Republic of Korea. http://www.oikoumene.org/en/press-centre/news/religious-leaders-highlight-significance-of-water-at-wcc-assembly;

    JohnTheBaptistTV “False spirits invade the church: Kundalini Warning by Andrew Strom. Part 1” YouTube. Online. Uploaded 5 Jul 2010. Web. 22 Jan 2012.

    Thus, to reiterate my burdensome question to the Pastor Emeritus:

    Did you foresee the Church in moral decay in all your years of practice?
    Are you disturbed by the fallacies, compromise and doctrinal errors effected by the leaders of the Church then and now?
    Do you feel that you could retract some so that the Church returns to the standard of God’s Word?
    Thank you.

    Blessings,
    L.S. James

  136. Brian Carn is making merchandise of Gods people. He says sow a thousand dollars and every time he gets blessed so will you. Then people in wheelchairs he says ought to come faster they got wheels.

    • nichol

      that is BS…..i am listening to him….

      he is repeating prophecy of efrain rodgriquez and taking credit for it.about the east and west coast earthquakes and florida….. he is also repeating other prophecies he has heard….because I have heard them also before i ever heard his video…so he charges money to hear this?

      he is a copy cat prophet

      • They all copy one another. It disgusts me to see one early morning televangelist after another preach the same message day after day. Sow a seed of $(inset high dollar pick pocket amount here). That “seed” is enriching them, not the Gospel. They wear high dollar suits and live in mansions. While there’s nothing wrong with having those things, how you get them can be…especially when you’re placing burdens on the people Christ came to set free by promising riches. Then you’re paying with wrong motives and if you do get “blessed” for it, odds are it’s not from God. So who exactly are these televangelists working for if not God? Something everyone should consider.

        • char

          they work for themselves, not God

          I think you just coined a new term, “pick pocket prophets.”

          a real minister will not make you pay them money

          jesus did not promise money and he did not ask for any

          when I started this site, the Lord was very clear I would never accept one penny for my work…and I am fine with that…..

          I am here because i care about people…..not my bank account

          it is getting harder and harder to find workers in the harvest of souls….jesus has to show up soon.

  137. Im starting to believe this is true. My husband compulsively got manipulated and sowed 2 million dollars over the course of 7 years. It’s been a years ince we’ve made a dime. The life I had no longer exist. Nice to see the preachers living better then we do. Lord please forgive me for my ignorance and squandering what you blessed us with. I’d be so happy for a one fold return. Bills keep piling up and I can’t call the preachers and ask for it back. Highly doubt they care.

    • You’d be right, they don’t. Believe me, I did try. LOL All I asked was help for one months rent and to get my roof fixed. Though I was only in for thousands. Don’t know that I’ve even made 2 million in my entire life. LOL

      Bad enough they do this, but some then feel they were taken and are then left fighting back bitterness. I went through that with my own pastor. When I needed $475 for rent and the church said they didn’t have it in the benevolence fund, as I saw my pastor’s new truck, new car and umpteen room 2 story gorgeous home while I lived in a 3 room cabin, I started to get that bitter feeling and it took some doing to move past it. I’ve even attended Bible studies in that beautiful home since. I like my pastor. If he’s wrong he’s wrong. If he’s misleading because he was mislead then he will know the truth as we all will one day.

      I’ve learned to accept church as church…the body…but not the absolute truth of God’s Word. Even Paul corrected Peter. So I take the message and compare it to Scripture and what I feel in my heart about the matter and I study it to find truth. And I remind myself that some actually believe in this teaching…as we once did.

      My mom still does but recognizes that there may be times when people just “can’t” pay 10%. She was raised old school and it’s part of deep belief that’s hard to break away from like any habit. But if she could lay aside that belief and study Scripture on it without bias, she might think differently. She used to give 10% plus offerings, plus money to every new graduate in our church, money to missions, the food pantry, etc. However, our dad passed 3 years ago and she soon found she couldn’t do all that and had to drop some of the sideline things she paid for. And I have a problem with that. The church is still getting their 10% to put in new lighting and a youth building, but people aren’t fed from the pantry, Honduras has less now, graduates launching out on their own without that little help my parents used to provide. And we’re to help others not pad pews.

      It’s not that I’m against the comfort. I certainly wouldn’t feel able to walk, on my bad foot, miles to church and stand on a dirt floor keeping reign on a hyperactive child for hours, as they do in Ghana and elsewhere. But comfort shouldn’t be our priority. The church needs to get their priorities straight before anyone can reach a unity in faith.

      I really do need to stop being so long winded. LOL

    • grace

      that is horrible. I have never sowed that much, but I have given 10s of thousands in the past. now, like you, I have very little.

      I wonder who you gave to.

      the sad thing is, preachers are making merchandise of the sheep.

      they really don’t care. they are convinced they are called by god (we are ALL called) and have special “anointing”, so, we need to be good believers and support them.

      they think the money given them is a blessing from god, not us. we are just channels for the money, so the money does not really belong to us.

      or they just bless themselves with other people’s money, instead of using it for a charitable purpose.

      focus on yourself and god now, I will agree with you in prayer that god restores you to a place of strength again.

      if you and your husband could earn that kind of money before, then you have god given talents for business earnings. I pray doors open for you, so that you can use your talents again.

  138. I am confused! Are there any truly Biblical televangelists? They are ALL hawking something to make money and support their extravagant family and lifestyles versus pleasing God by saving others. I have NOT seen ONE televangelist who truly cares about ones salvation over money; or am I missing someone? This is a sinful travesty! I cannot quote the passage, but Jesus said something like “Anyone who abuses my name to prosper will be condemned to Hell, correct? How do these people sleep at night?

    • jay

      they have deceived themselves, so it is easy for them to deceive others.

      that is why when I started this site in 2008, the Lord indicated I was to NEVER accept money for the work I did.

      to make money off his gospel, suffering and death is abomination to me.

      the bible, even malachi 3:10, condemns those who prophesy, teach or preach for money…

      look at all the OT prophets, john the baptist, and the apostles….NONE of them worked for a salary….and they all had humble lives.

    • Not all Jay. I ran across one really late night obscure preacher. He was in a small classroom setting teaching a group that couldn’t have been more than 30 or 40. They probably scraped up the funds for this one spot. And he never mentioned money.

      And since we can’t know what’s in another’s heart, we can only pray their heart is right. But I like what I’ve listened to of Stanley and I’ve never seen him teaching on giving him money or asking for it during his services.

  139. We could likely get some of this crap off TV if Congress made more stringent laws regarding who actually qualifies for tax exempt status; but who is Congress to make that type of decision? Televangelists are nothing more than a typical business, advertising on TV and merely getting away with operating under the guise of a “tax exempt church”. If some of these scammers, (like Swaggart) had to pay taxes for not qualifying for tax exempt status; they may not live in such opulent mansions and not drive a fleet of 2016 Mercedes Benz. Just watch Donnie taking their monthly donations! He reads them on air to burn time; but hardly ever says thank you. He just expects to get $millions monthly to support their abusive, extravagant lifestyle. It frustrates me that somehow, “In the name of God” they can somehow funnel honest donations for the needy and hurting people of this world, into their own pockets! How can that be allowed? What a SCAM, just like SO many other scamming preachers on TV! All they seem to care about is money, versus saving souls as they should. Gal. 6:7-8, Mat.13:24-29 – The life of the televangelist! If they really cared about others over their own greed; they would be preaching Gal. 5:23 and be full of humility and the Spirit of God. Where do you see anything about money in Gal. 5:23? These “preachers” are ALL about the flesh!

  140. I have come to the conclusion that I need to STOP watching Daystar, as it just creates frustration, and NOT spiritual peace in my life. Creflo Dollar was just on claiming there is nothing about ANY “Eye of the needle” in the Bible; and that EVERYONE in his ministry will go to Heaven, provided they obey HIS commands. WOW, how duped are these people after paying for a new Gulf Stream jet for him to fly around in? He went on to speak against other preachers for asking for money. What an incredible hypocrite as he concluded by asking for money! This guy owns $millions in homes, two Rolls and an extravagant lifestyle! I am a Christian, but SO confused!!!
    Didn’t God want us to give to others vs. sucking money off of others? I cannot imagine how these preachers live with themselves! I guess the only thing I can do is, Let Go and Let God. But, I somehow feel compelled to warn others about these hypocritical SCAMMERS. Please watch out!

  141. What part of the Five fold ministry do you represent?
    And when did God call you you to try and Block people from giving because you don’t fully understand the scripture,you need to realize that a person can sow the word,they can sow their time,they can also sow money,they can also sow goods.

    2 Corinthians 9:6 But this I say,He which south sparingly shall reap also sparingly;and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
    This is referring to any thing that you sow,whether it be money,goods,or services.

    Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived;God is not mocked:for whatsoever a man soweth,that shall he also reap.

    you can sow to the flesh and you can also sow to your spirit (Galatians 6:8

    You can sow in tears and reap in joy.(Psalms 126:5

    • robert

      are you a paid minister? if you are, and get paid by tithes, then that is wrong.

      the tithe belongs only to god, not man, and was to be consumed on the altar of the temple in Jerusalem…right now there is not one…and so not even jews pay tithes now. they pay a temple tax only

      tithes are not intended for gentile use, but only the jewish cohens of the temple….

      I am not called to block people from giving free will offerings . I encourage it, if the situation is sincere and legitimate.

      This post is about robbing the flock of money (tithe). they should not be forced or threatened into giving. Malachi 3:10 is about the leadership stealing the tithe, and robbing god, not about the people robbing god. that is what is happening today

      tithes to ministers means money. yes we can sow our time and talents, tears etc. but specifically, real sowing and reaping refers to sowing the word of god, not sowing money.

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/tithing-judaism/

    • Robert, which Scriptures support sowing money to one person who is getting rich from it as their main message?

      Ministers should be paid, not padded.

      • You can’t just take the word of GOD and try to wage war against those that you believe are wrong,but if you are really serious about helping people in ministry to live godly lives you must be born again,filled with the spirit of GOD,and you need to seek God to find out if you are doing what God has called you to do;
        The bible tells us that there will be false teachers in the world but the bible also says let the wheat and the tares grow together,and in the end the angles will go forth and separate the wheat (Those who are born again living in obedience to the word of God )From the Tares(Those that are practicing sin on a regular basis.

        Some people have made it their business to go after certain sin that they are irritated with, but the bible says all unrighteousness is sin.
        If you are bent on fighting against sin,go after all sin and not just the ones that irritate you because you don’t want to support Gods work:

        There are Churches and Pastors that Use the Tithes in the correct manner and they need our help and God will pay those that support the Church,in addition to this let the spirit of God lead you in your giving;and if you don,t have God’s Spirit,ask God for it.

        Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,they are the sons of God.
        Romans 8:9 (b) Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

  142. This site appears to have big mouths with NO balls to back it. I have offered help to pursue injustice in the televangelist arena, but this
    site has no guts to proceed. Seems like there are plenty of concerned
    people; so why not take up the Cross? Let’s go after these scammers!

    • I am willing, but explained all this in an email to you. no pastor would allow a message like this in “his” church.

    • Jay, if you haven’t yet seen it, pick up a copy of “The War Room” on DVD. As the movie aptly depicts, the battle is won in prayer, not rather than picket signs. We don’t go as lambs to the slaughter but can still roar like lions and bring the truth to light but right now I think we need more people praying for those who make the laws that permit these things….those who are passing laws not only for televangelist tax shelters, but to force pastors to perform gay marriages against their beliefs, to find ways to force prayer and the 10 Commandments out of school, to remove God from anything in our pledge, courts, money etc. The decline of morals in our lawmakers have opened a door for deceivers.

      I’m partial to praying Psalm 109:8 in these situations myself. 🙂

    • I would love to take these charlatans on but I live in the UK so how can I help?

    • Go after them how? Speaking out here is a former of being proactive. You can’t unbrainwash people by going after televangelists. They would say it’s persecution because they believe in God. You can only fight by providing truth through Scripture and prayer.

  143. Robert,
    You can ONLY sow in the word of God!
    PLEASE don’t suck off money like
    Swaggart and others! That is sinful.

  144. The War I wage is in praying that others are not duped by false prophets and by teaching true Scripture for those who are guilted into believing twisted Scripture because I KNOW what God has sent me to do. Without going into details of how know (perhaps another time), I do know that He has called me to help those who struggle with their salvation and confusion. Confusion often caused by false teaching to those still growing and not yet understanding all of Scripture or having had their ears dulled to truth because they were led astray by false teaching.

    I know enough context to know that we are not commanded to give 10% of all our income at the expense of not paying our debts or give in order to receive or be blessed. We are to give what is in our hearts because we see a need we “can” fill, and not give grudgingly. To give to a minister who lacks nothing while you live in lack is not based in Scripture and many are deceived in this and in other areas. I have been led to fight the deception that has caused people to inwardly struggle by presenting truth to counteract what they have been confused by. This is one of many.

    Scripture doesn’t tell us to give to the ministry when it doesn’t lack but to give to those in need. So if a pastor is living comfortably while members of the congregation are going without and suffering, they should come first as one has to give, not as one does not have.

    I’m not here to convict the world of sin…that is God’s job. But I am here to preach the Gospel…that Christ has set us free. And if set free, we must understand those who have come to place burdens on people even they cannot do, to bring us back into slavery. Anything that is not of faith is sin. So if one gives without knowing for certain if God has called them or if the minister has guilted, then they are not giving in faith and the gift would not be honored.

    To tell people who do not have that God can’t or won’t bless them is leading God’s children astray when they give and then go without because they then question God. Rather we need to encourage one another in hardship and not burden them with things God did not command as the whole law is summed up in two things, neither of which is give what you don’t have or out of guilt.

    Remember, Jesus overturned the money changers because it irritated Him what people were doing in His house. We ARE God’s temple and should be irritated by what some are doing to those temples. I am irritated by those who have caused others to struggle with the Word and their salvation because of their false teaching.

    So I hope this clears up any thoughts that I’ve taken the Word to go after a sin.

  145. I Love the way you broke this down and gave scriptures to back it up!.. I have been questioning this sowing money seeds that I felt the same way like why do we have to pay or bribe God to do something for us!!!

  146. This doctrine abuses GRACE. Christians /children of God are called to enjoy the finished work of Christ at the cross. Grace supplies all our needs, all that’s required of us is faith. No amount of work will qualify us for God’s blessings, we receive his blessing out of his favour.

  147. Tithing was under and is under the law with a curse for Christians seeking salvation under the law, Galatians 3:3-13, Malachi 3:1-18. When pastors and priests lie by quoting tithes in Malachi 3:1-18,under the law IN OLD COVENANT which was a prime contribution for the Levite tribe and Leviticus Priesthood, how many Christians line up to be served with food when tithes and offering under the law are given? Is the storehouse pastors’ and priests’ house or the Church being the body of Christ? Saved Christians by grace IN NEW COVENANT who are lead and taught by the Holy Spirit are not under law or in generation curse in the law. Tithes in Malachi 3:1-18 were primarily for the tribe of Levi which was not allocated land for sharing among themselves , Numbers 18:20-28 . Those who simply imply Christians are under curse for not tithing put into question about unfinished work of redemption (SALVATION) by Christ Jesus on cross of Calvary which is bought and maintained continuously in tithes paid to them. Yet Christ is not ashamed to call us brethren whom He has sanctified. Hebrew 2:9-13.We have been redeemed from the curse of the law, Jesus Christ being made a curse for us : for it is written, cursed is everyone that hangs on a tree. Galatians 3:8-13. Christians saved by grace are ministers of the new testament born of love with exceeding glory which surpassed the glory that was in law with Moses. We have been redeemed from the curse of the law to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood. Pastors ,Priest and Bishops who are servants of God cannot subject sons of God in Royal Priesthood to tithe taxes which absolutely illegal for we are not under the curse of the law, Galatians 5:1, Galatians4:4-5,2 Corinthians 3:1-18. Sins sacrifices ,offerings under the law, curses, and generation curses under law in the old covenant remained up to death of Jesus Christ on Calvary when He fulfilled the requirements of the law. Salvation under the law one attains it at last breath on earth having done all that pertains to the law which is hard for one to accomplish. Even the tithe which was given by Abraham was under the law of sin and death from the fallen state of Adam and Eve at the garden of Aden. Those who lie would like to deceive Christians that tithe was before the law but before which law. When Christ our High Priest was born He was given gifts and not tithes Mathew 2:11-12. Salvation under spiritual law of love by grace is freely given and attained with free miracles from God our Father, Ephesians 2:4 -9, Ephesians 2:13 -20. Under Leviticus priesthood which belonged to the tribe of Levi, tithes were given to Levites priests for use by the whole tribe of Levi and tithe of tithe to the high Priest for they shared no land apart from the walled towns they were allocated to stay in for their continuous sacrifice to God, Numbers 18:20 -29. Widows, strangers ,fatherless and orphans benefited from tithes and offerings given to Levites, Deuteronomy 14:22-29. In Christianity widows were asked to be catered by close brethren to ease burden to the Church. There were also tithes of different kinds in Israel. There was also a tithe where a family had to eat all before the Lord, Deutreronomy12:6-7. In Christ Jesus we are saved by grace to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood of Christ (for Christians saved by grace )and not by works of law ,Galatians 3:8-13,Acts13: 38-39, Galatians 4: 4-5, Galatians2:16-21, Galatians 5:18. Sons have direct access to the Father and free common inheritance not bought or worked for from the Father. For servants ( Pastors and Priests) are servants of God worthy all respects and due help. Much preaching is done in grace and love to Christians at early stages who are later sleeking entangled and enslaved in fear under the bondage of law in tithes emphatically taught by many in seeking dwindling fortune entrenched in tithes falsehood. The Church of Christ is founded in love by grace and a worker is worthy his labor. The Apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ understood from onset of Christ’s Ministry that they were not under Leviticus Priesthood and had no share in Leviticus Priesthood allotments. Thus questions were raised of their take and benefits in the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ Ministry in the New Covenant, Mathew 19:23-30 . Leviticus Priesthood which was upheld under the law without partiality had allotments which existed before well-known and were already defined in obliged tithing. God had also to deal with wayward priesthood under the law. Malachi 2:1-17, Malachi 3:1-18. Christian were never left under leadership of Leviticus Priesthood. Christians are humbly called upon to support tithes sweetened falsehood purposed to enhance good glorious intentions communicated a smart way which form practically some mega success which should not divert Christians from free spiritual giving. The essence of Christians righteousness in salvation by grace in the Loyal Priesthood of Jesus Christ is more falsely tied to tithes by the clergy and the bar raised often higher as they become masters of confusion in tithes falsehood teaching. Even Judas Iscariot is not recorded asking for tithes. We firmly stand by the truth our mouths being boldly louder and we faint not as we manifest the truth to man’s conscience to God without honoring personality clout in uncovering tithes falsehood taught, 2Corinthians 4:1-2. They keep asking what is wrong with us to be at pains on tithes falsehood? There is nothing wrong with us and we have wronged no one except those who stumble on the truth who want to appease in falsehood.
    IN NEW TESTAMENT two priesthood are compared and the need to replace the old covenant expounded. Hebrew7: 7-28, Hebrew8:6 -13, Hebrew 9:6-9, Hebrew 10:8-23. Leviticus priesthood under the law with tithes, death, discontinuity and its acceptance under glory of law without the great commission was done away in Christ and the Holy Priesthood of Christ without tithes, death and discontinuity with exceeding glory under which Christians are in salvation being a Holy nation and Loyal Priests to preach to the world GOD being their Father in New Covenant Ministry. In that He said, a new covenant He has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxed old is ready to vanish away Hebrew8:-13. God related with Adam and Eve in the garden of Aden under command of not eating from tree of knowledge and evil , Abraham related to God in faith when he was called out of Ur. The Israel related to God under law given to Moses under old the Covenant and we saved Christians relate to God under Spiritual law of love by grace in Jesus Christ in New Covenant where we get our salvation. Tithing weakens the Royal Priesthood of Christians in Christ where Christians are supposed to give themselves as living sacrifice in the mission vision fields. The Christians Royal Priesthood in Christ Jesus is internally weekend from within ,fought and economically drained mostly for indoors ministries under revival of Leviticus priesthood by pastors. The Royal Priesthood is internally spiritually emaciated and trodden upon.2 Corinthians2:1-13, 2Peter 2:5-9. Priesthood involves sacrifices and Jesus Christ did not choose Priesthood among the five fold ministry since saved Christians are in the Royal Priesthood and we have been asked to give ourselves as living sacrifice. The priesthood was changed from the old covenant( Leviticus Priesthood) to the new covenant (Loyal Priesthood of labor in Christ without tithes allocations which is not appreciated) and the law governing it was changed. Christ requested His disciples to give the crowd food to eat , Matthew 14:15-16. Jesus Christ told Peter look after his lambs and later to look after His sheep ( service) in clear shift from Leviticus priesthood which does not apply to Christians, John 21:15-17. JESUS CHRIST our High Priest is the mediator of the better New Covenant established upon better promises. Hebrew8:6-8. Under Leviticus priesthood an animal for sacrifice was alive between the altar of sacrifice and the Levite priest holding the sacrificial knife. Sheep remained alive for a period of time only when they were delivered many animals for sacrifice and the altar could not hold them all for sacrifice .We are dead to sin and alive in Christ who live in us being a living sacrifice to God. Christians saved by grace in love of Christ Jesus in Royal Priesthood within the New Covenant cannot be dragged back to curses enslavement in the law in Leviticus Priesthood in Old Covenant. The Royal Priesthood of labor of service in Christ Jesus is loathed by many clergy who opt for Leviticus Priesthood of waiting at the sanctuary for provision given for altar sacrifices. It is only through concealed falsehood that the clergy merge the Leviticus Priesthood under law in old Covenant ( which remained hostile to Christians), with the Royal Priesthood by grace in Christ love liberated in New Covenant. The Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ bears no self-restrictions or inhibitions in fear of men in preaching and teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ since it has no people driven demand support pegged on expectations anchored under the law. Christians should give liberally in love as God has blessed us ,2 Corinthians9 :6-7, Galatians 5:1. Galatians6:6-10. Tithes crusader teach well packaged tithes falsehood from the pulpit managed humbly in sheep skins. Christians are increasingly facing common mounted front in tithes falsehood which is demanded by elites clergies as a Christian doctrine in Churches. It is easy for many unsuspecting Christian to take it as the Gospel truth. The remnant few faithful Christians must firmly teach Christian doctrine on giving bearing in mind they stand on highways of interests of elites clergies on tithes falsehood taught with awkward elites church elders support . The humble craving of comfortable falsehood artistically and passionately taught on tithes by the clergy should not make Christians lose focus in Christian giving in love. Bishops, pastors, priests, church elders and those read the OLD TESTAMENT (Covenant ) BLINDED BY THE VAIL that is in law that was done away in Jesus Christ keep Christians in fear under bondage of law which is abolished and miss the righteousness in liberty sanctified in Jesus Christ. 2Corithians3: 6-18 . Successful prosperity based on falsehood cannot be accepted as blessing in holiness. Truth is easily dismissed but never nullified on tithes falsehood taught by the clergy. Christians must remain Pentecostal and evangelical in the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ without entangling themselves in Leviticus Priesthood bound in bondage of the law. Christ came to not to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfill so as the enmity that was against us in the law was abolished on the cross. A way by Grace in Jesus Christ’s love for mankind was established for our salvation after Christ fulfilled the prophecy and the law. Before HIS DEATH THE LAW WAS UPHELD TO THE LETTER .Mathew5:17-19, Ephesians 2:4—20. He paved the narrow highway of righteousness in salvation by grace, Isaiah35:1-10. Tithes falsehood nullifies grace and love bestowed on them by Jesus Christ. Those who want to seek salvation under law with curses of the law should continue in glory of the law and fulfill the whole law without entangling salvation by grace in Christ’s love with law in any lewd manner since the glory in law in old testament at fault (where God found faults with them) was to be done away and was abolished, 2Corinthians 3:1-18 Galatians2:16-21, Galatians3:1-13 ,Galatians4:4-5, Hebrew8:6-13. The Church of Jesus Christ is established by grace in Christ’s love in the glory of the new testament that excels.
    Levites Pastors and Priests are comfortable and friendly to brethren who live like dead sacrifice with almost free access to tithes. Levites priests were to labor to sacrifice and not tendering the flocks or do any farming ,Numbers 18:20-32 Joshua7:7.They lived in walled towns .Pastors and Priests who revive the Leviticus priesthood removed by Christ for Christians and meticulously merge it to the Loyal Priesthood of Christ do so for personal gains in mass concealed cheating in tithes allocations. The old covenant had amassed personal sought atonement for sins through animals sacrifices but the new covenant has atonement for sins in Christ’s blood. Leviticus priesthood under law remained hostile to the Ministry of Jesus Christ and His disciples who suffered in their hands even after Christ’s death, Mathew 27:12-17. Levite priests beat and wanted to kill all disciples of Christ whom they told not to preach in His name. Acts 5:17-42. Today Levite clergy tell Christian that their salvation by grace is not complete without paying them tithes which is a lie. Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr. Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests Acts;5:17-42. What pastors are not telling the Church (the bride/sons/ ambassadors /advocate, royal priests, and ministers of the new covenant in the Word/children and servants made friends by His Holy calling) is the reason Jesus Christ had in choosing the twelve disciples ( under new covenant in Grace ) and opted not to use the Levite Priests (in old covenant under law) that were well established and placed had they to be chosen preach to the world. LET PASTORS , BISHOPS AND PRIESTS HONESTLY PURGE THEIR HEARTS AND SPEAK THE TRUTH ON TITHES. CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW IN THE OLD COVENANT. The intrigue of doctrinal falsehood on tithes smartly engineered and flamboyantly taught by them worldwide cannot be justified or be cleansed by their religious social status. Christians should not be for entertainments but for truth in Holiness preached and taught which is not in contest in numerical strength for acceptance. It quite clear from the Bible that there is no perfection and justification under works of the law. Galatians 2:16- 21, Galatians 3:8-13,Galatians 4;4-5,Galatians 5:1,18. FOR CHRISTIANS GOD HAS NO PLEASURE FOR SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SINS AND FOR WHICH IS OFFERED UNDER THE LAW. HEBREW 10: 8-9 . THIS SCRIPTURE THEY WOULD WISH IT NEVER EXISTED. Can those who advocate for tithes honestly deny openly that there were sacrifices and offerings under law not acceptable to God for Christians? Tithes advocates call Christians passionately to tithe an illustration of spiritual disconnect to bridge. WHY WOULD THE CLERGY NOT TELL CHRISTIANS TO SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS BUT TITHE? Selective preaching and teaching on tithes falsehood cover up still remains. Tithes falsehood taught has remained guarded and guided in shrewd cover up of honored fortune justification hidden in tithes falsehood teaching proliferation. Christians must know the truth to be free and move from being trapped in great justified doctrinal falsehood taught ,Ephesians4:11-14. In law men in old covenant remained the instructors and enforcers of the law. In new covenant the Holy Spirit remains our wonderful teacher and counselor in grace. For sure those who are in bondage of the law have men appreciation at hand but those lead by the Holy Spirit in Liberty within the yoke of Christ in grace have the acceptance of God. Christians should not be held spiritually hostage by unifying falsehoods taught in concealed falsehood out of labor. This would be spiritual blindness and slavery for many Christians hard for some to overcome. Apostles did not teach and preach the Gospel Of Jesus Christ through deceptive greediness but by sound doctrines, 2Peter:1-3. Christians taught for doctrines the commandments of men replace Jesus Christ for men who become their gods (idol worship based on men). They admire them for their earthly great achievements and they testify much of their stardom. Mathew 15: 5-9. There is the church of men where men teach for doctrines commandments of men and Church of Jesus Christ which cannot be swallowed by institutionalized organized falsehood and greed concealed in martyrdom of false knowledge which is not in the True Word of God. Even those workers of iniquity with miracles shall not cheat and defeat the church of Christ since He holds the Church in His holy hands in due time. Matthew15:8-9. The gates of hell shall not prevail over the Church of Jesus Christ. Mathew16:18. The Church of Christ cannot live by glorious commandments instituted by men standards. Christians must break free and be clean from men commandments enslavement. Christians’ true love and care will then freely flourish. Christians should not feel comfortable for being appreciated for accepting and supporting goals of concealed falsehood taught through feigned words in covetousness to make merchandise of us,2 Peter2:1-3. Falsehood clarified and justified in concealed covetousness is hard for many Christians to overcome. Many Christians plunged globally into tithe doctrinal falsehood and held spiritually captive by clergy that are Levites require spiritual rescue and deliverance. The Church must wrestle herself free from shrewd elite spiritual con-men who keep the Church of Jesus Christ under bondage of the law. Tithe given by Abraham in faith in God and tithes given by Israel under the law given to Moses are not in the Royal Priesthood in new Covenant of Jesus Christ put under carpet by tithes crusaders. Tithe given by Abraham to Melchisedec had no third party human usage tied to it. Tithes given under the laws had personal usage, third party human usage and were used by the Levites Priests and the Levites tribe. Windows ,orphans and strangers benefited from the tithes offerings and offerings received by the Levite priests. To quote the tithe given out of war by Abraham the father of faith to justify tithes given by the Royal priests (Saved Christians by Grace ) is more mischievously misleading even when tied to helping the spread of the Gospel Jesus Christ a self- righteousness imposed requirement under men law for doctrine. Jesus Christ did not allocate tithes to spreading of the Gospel in the hands of Levites Priests and Pastors who are taking Christians Spiritually for a ride. Success built on falsehood should not dampen Christians quest for truth and justice in holiness without deceit. For many to hear the truth that tithe is not a Christian doctrine in the ROYAL PRIESTHOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, it is like venom to them. The only option left for them is to rush to the final line of defense and hid under falsehood by using well endorsed and educated elite Christians to teach humbly tithes falsehood escalation with well loaded professional cover up backing. Let the clergy deny openly falsehood on tithes taught and not use third parties blinded by the vail in reading the old testament that was removed by Jesus Christ for a cover up 2Corinthians 3:1-18. Truth is easily dismissed but never nullified. Christians should not embrace scheduled resourceful falsehood taught in honor. Christian Churches must remain Sanctuaries of true love in grace instituted by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. God calls us to the holy mountain of reasoning in liberty of faith in Christ Jesus, Isaiah 1:18-20, Galatians5:1, 18. The implication of self-imprisonment by Christians in men’s law for doctrines is spiritually devastating. The glory achieved is the glory of men. Faith without work is dead but work in the Holy Faith in Christ Jesus is not bound by the law, Galatians2:16-21, James 2:17-26.
    They are amazed and bitter for we stand for Christ without seeking their favor or consultation on tithes issues without joining the sweeping wave in teaching tithes falsehood benefits acclaimed. The way some have reacted vilely to those who are opposed to tithes as a doctrinal falsehoods for Christians shows well from the comfort of their hearts that they are deeply dismayed and battered by the truth and have realized they are known on cheating on tithes fortunes acclaimed. It befit us well to be called Christians of low estate with little minds rattling for we have not been soothed smoothly cool to support tithes falsehood taught in order for us to fit perfectly in the will of Jesus Christ with no regrets. We are satisfied with what God has provided us without gains of falsehood. We do not clamor for glamorous wealth of falsehood. They have stood as heroes in championing tithing as a way getting blessings for Christians from God which we have totally disagreed with them which they took as affront to their spiritual dignity. They have degraded the Royal Priesthood of Christ and nullified grace and love of Christ to themselves. We are aware there are spiritual babies on milk and feeble who are tossed to and fro by every kind doctrines who have not come to the full knowledge of truth. It will be unjust to us if do not take spiritual care of them and love them in Christ’s love, Hebrew5: 13-14. Those asking for revelation on tithes are asking for undeserved free room of manipulation to lie. Their theoretical assumption on tithes as the only easy way of meeting Church needs requirements through tithes justified falsehood taught to Christians saved by grace deserve spiritual analyses. Blessing and curses dealt with in tithes in old covenant are clear to those who seek truth in clear knowledge of wisdom. The same is theoretically assumed and taught on Abel offering being accepted because he offered animal sacrifice and burnt fats as sweat savor to God. Cain offering was not accepted just because were seeds and fruits. Abel chose the best and considered the even age of his sacrifice offered to God. No special sacrificial preparation on Cain offering was dedicated to God. Cain did not pay deserved attention on what he offered to sacrifice to God. God told him if he did well his offering would be accepted. God did not tell Cain to replace his offering with animal sacrifice. He was to do well to his offering for his acceptance and offering. Genesis 4:1–7. Cain offering had no respect for God and God had no regards for it. CEREALS AND FRUITS WERE NOT REMOVED FROM BEING OFFERED IN THE OLD COVENANT.
    THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE MANY UNSUSPECTING BELIEVERS NOT KNOWING WHAT THEIR ARE TAUGHT MANY TIMES HAD BEEN DISCUSSED IN COUNCILS OF MEN FOR UNIFORMITY AND NOT WITH THE HOLLY SPIRIT. IF TITHES WERE TO BE APPLICABLE AND JUSTIFIABLE IN THE NEW COVENANT ,ALL TITHES SHOULD BE SHARED EQUALLY AMONG ALL BRETHREN SINCE WE ARE THE ROYAL PRIESTS MINISTERING THE NEW COVENANT. The tithe burden is not for Christians . Let Bishops ,Pastors, Priests and Church Elders handle the Church of Christ within Christians doctrines established by Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles in the mission field vision. CHRISTIANS MUST FACE AND ADDRESS THE MASS SWEEPING AND SOOTHING FALSEHOOD TAUGHT BY SOME WELL EDUCATED ELITE CHRISTIANS ABOUT TITHES BENEFITS AND BLESSINGS IN A SOBER SPIRITUAL REALITY FACE OUT. Tithes teaching is unexpected real falsehood investment from those held dearly in trust by many Christians who regard them us spiritual leaders. The situation becomes more murky and tricky when church elders are accomplished in the classic falsehood which puts the church into mental slavery. Irrelevant testimonies are given of blessed Christians even who gave beyond 70% and remained richly blessed to encourage giving beyond 10% for more blessings. Having given 70% and being left with 30% translates to millions of dollars left for their personal use. The same 70% if applied by Christians of minimal income will leave them in the cold without basics needs requirements being meet. They have encouraged Christians even to give beyond the law requirement to appear more spiritual. This is bound to impoverish Christians who will appear to have enmity with God in their old age. When the Government taxation is at 30% and the pastors at 10% without being end of requirement to give, almost 50% income is gone from the Christians who are offered weekly prayers for prosperity and blessings. How committed will these Christians be us Royal Priests to the great commission at grass root levels? Tithing is more emphasized to salaries without shame. Some have tragically wished Christians not to be employed who do not tithe to them. It would be sheer folly for Christians to become submissive hopeful prisoners under falsehood taught by those blinded by veil in bondage under law in the old covenant, Galatians 31-13, Galatians 5:1. Christians cannot buy salvation from the hands of the clergy under yard stick of salvation justification in tithes set by the clergy.
    It is quite easy to justify tithes falsehood based on easily acquired wealth which meet the church needs which operates under Leviticus Priesthood. The Royal Priesthood in grace is quite different from Leviticus Priesthood under the law. Leviticus Priesthood in the old covenant belonged to the Levite tribe among the eleven tribes in Israel but the Royal Priesthood in the new covenant under oppression and suppression belongs to all brethren in the world in Christ Jesus ( the Church / the body of Christ) who are ministers of the new covenant commissioned to preach to the world. The Royal Priesthood is well placed to reach the world more effectively at close quarters in Christ love and glory expected. It is quite unfortunate that Christians unknowingly are victims of systematic unmarked high professional intellectual falsehood commercialization cover up in tithes teaching by learned elites Christians brethren which is a disservice to the (church) body of Christ. But Christians have been warned not to be fools since for some preaching and teaching falsehood is a smart act energetically engaged and Christians are openly conned .Ephesians 5:15-16. Tithing under law impoverishes the Royal Priesthood of Christ physically and spiritually which make the Great commission less effective. When all saved Christians are in Royal Priesthood, to whom do you tithe to in the in new covenant? The Royal Priesthood needs to take its place in Christian missions empowered in New Covenant for Christians to work in glory of Christ love intended for the body of Christ. It quite clear from the Bible that there is no perfection and justification under works of the law. Galatians 2:16- 21, Galatians 3:8-13,Galatians 4;4-5, Galatians 5:1,18. Hebrew 10;8-9. Jesus Christ and his twelve disciples did not ask for tithes but only comments were made on tithes under the law. As early church had needs equally relevant to their time and did not ask for tithes, we too have needs relevant to our time which require sacrificial offerings to solve problems but no through tithes offerings under the law with a curse. Saved Christians ( The Body of Christ /Church/ Royal Priests) are able ministers of the new testament which is not sorely the burden of the clergy as some would like us to believe in their theoretical tithes justification support for the clergy and meeting Church needs requirements.
    A fountain cannot produce sweet and bitter water the same time. James 3:8-18. A new piece of cloth does not patch an old cloth nor do men put new wine in old bottles. Matthew 9:16-17. And with the priesthood changed there was need of changing the law governing it. Our royal priesthood in Christ Jesus is not after law of carnal commandment but after power of endless life Hebrews 7:7-26 .We Christian are saved by GRACE IN CHRIST LOVE(Spiritual Law) for we cannot be subjected to carnal law of sin and death crucified and done away by Christ on cross of Calvary. We are subjected to spiritual law of life in New Covenant in Christ Jesus and ought to have the spiritual understanding of the Word of God in liberty without corrupting the Word of God. Roman 8:1-2, Colossi ans 1:9-10. As God has blessed us in common inheritance of the saints, we should give sacrificially as we have purposed in our hearts in liberty and in love, Galatians 5:1, 2Corinthians 9;6-7, Galatians 6:6-7, Hebrew6:6-12,Hebrew13:11-16. Christ taught spiritual giving to God and to our parents, Luke 6:8 ,Matthew15:5-9. Paul also taught the same .2Corinthians 9:6-14, Philippians 2:4-5. Aaron was given unto Moses, the Levite priests were given unto Aaron, the eleven tribes of Israel were given unto Levite tribe to serve them but we Christians are purchased through the blood of Christ we are no man servants but servants of Christ 1Corinthians 7:21-2 ,God is our Father and our readily help in times of needs and not men. We are warned not to call any man our father in the spirit. Mathew23:9. Some have made men their fathers and call them fathers turning them their gods on earth. Numbers 3:9-15. No servant can hinder children access to the Father and His blessed inheritance. Are pastors, priest and Bishops in the Royal Priesthood of Christ or are in the Leviticus priesthood? Who coordinate pastors only to work for Christ for a living. Apostles of Christ worked with their own hands for a living and for preaching the Gospel of Christ. All saved Christians are servants of Christ in the Royal Priesthood of Christ. Do we make the spiritual understanding between the Leviticus Priesthood under the law and the Royal Priesthood in grace in the New Covenant or do we mix the two distinctive priesthoods cunningly for selfish gain to eliminate the so called clergy poverty and mess up with the doctrine of salvation in Grace? Christ gave some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and some teachers for the perfecting of saint in the work of the ministry for edifying the( church) body of Christ so us not to be deceived Ephesians4:11-19. Who set aside and allocated poverty and tithes to the pastors in preaching the Gospel of Christ since those who preach the Gospel (Christians/Royal priests) shall live by the Gospel or who bear the burden of mercy for the clergy to teach and preach falsehood on tithes for them not to be poor? When did they become pastors in poverty for the church to eliminate their poverty? Christians should share their wealth with the clergy willingly in Christ love but not in law. We are saved by Grace in Christ’s love and our sharing should be in love. We saved Christians are not justified by the law. Galatians 2:21. We saved Christians are servants of Christ Jesus in the Royal Priesthood of the Saints. Why do many talk about key poverty of pastors on tithes among the five fold ministry? Where is their care and concerns for the other four ministries for they vouched for tithes not for the benefit of the body of Christ? This has brought a flood gate of preaching entrepreneurship boom diligently anchored by many on salvation under yardstick of tithes obligation. Some have spoken from the pulpit of brethren who don’t allow them eat tithes from their labor. Do they preach and teach for souls to be saved or for economic gains in tithes eating? Are they in LEVITICUS PRIESTHOOD or in THE ROYAL PRIESTHOOD OF JESUS CHRIST? A GENUINE ANSWER IS REQUIRED FOR NON DOUBLE STANDARD DOCTRINAL FAITH. For Christians it should be precepts upon precepts without contradictions.
    Should the pastors ministry overshadow other ministries? All ministries should work as one body in the body of Christ. Foot soldiers who support falsehood on tithes preaching and teaching are calling Christians who do not support tithing to ask for forgiveness in face saving cover up. They have stood as heroes of faith in tithes teachings falsehood. Christians bear no apology to no one for preaching and teaching the truth . Only those who preach and teach falsehoods are hurt by the truth. Christians should not be coaxed by great promises and deadly threats hedged in none doctrinal falsehoods promises taught in guarded personal ego gains. With God, the means justify the end in Jesus Christ. Christians should not be hoodwinked by GROANING DELIVERY OF FALSEHOOD AND THE GLORY associated with the fruits of falsehood benefits . As we speak on the falsehood on the doctrine of tithing for Christians, we have not closed our eyes to the needs of the Church nor have buried our heads in the sand devoid of understanding of our emotions to face the truth. We stand for truth aware of forces against the truth within the Church and outside the Church. We have been asked to ask for forgiveness for not supporting tithing without being told from whom to apply for forgiveness. We do not pursue and preserve justified falsehoods which meet easily the needs of the Church for with God, the means justify the end in Christ. We are told we point an accusing finger to the clergy on issues concerning tithes falsehoods. We are part of the body of Christ and no part of the body accuses other parts. All body parts coordinate in functions and take care of one another when giving our body parts that are not comely more honor .We only pin point doctrinal falsehood taught by clergy thus taking care of the body of Christ spiritually in love. We do not waver in our minds and hearts in our stand on tithes issues. If one is stuck in sticky clay of falsehood, us a Christian one has to owner up and warm up to the truth and shape up to be free in did. We are fully aware of glorious unstable spiritual empires built on quick sand by men through falsehood under threat from the truth. If the empires fall apart there is no loss for Christians to worry about for apology. We are warned of danger of teaching and preaching the truth by exposing ourselves to well organized affluent churches of humble men. We stand for Christ in life and death without shame . Well organized fruitful falsehoods from those in authority do not translate to truth and righteousness, 2 Corinthians11:13-14.
    Those under the law are under curse and the law kills 2 Corinthians 3:6. Those lead by the Spirit are not under law and curses Galatians5: 6, Galatians 3:8-13. Christians are redeemed from the curse of the law to adoption of sons . Roman 8:1-17,Galatians4:4- 5. We saved Christians are not under law but under grace Roman6:13-14.Are they telling Christians curses under law are blessings for them or they have powers to remove curses when Christians tithe to them? Christians must remain spiritually alert and be not be spiritually blind, They have directed Christians to deceptive ways of curses for their own benefits and not blessings. The bounty of terror of deceptive covetousness is professionally tactically presented as blessing based on salvation under yard stick of tithes. Many pastors have illegally allocated all tithes to themselves. Tithes were for specifics needs under old covenant for specific people help. Apostles of CHRIST did not use concealed deceptive covetousness to preach the Gospel .1Thessalonians2:3-6.We should renounce hidden things of dishonesty and not walk craftily handling the Word of God deceitfully 2Corithians 4:1-2. In tithes teaching the clergy makes spot of the needs for the better faultless New Covenant in obtained excellent ministry established upon better promises which has specific intended goals in Love by Grace in Jesus Christ. Hebrew 8:6-8. Christians are Spiritually born in the new Covenant by Grace in Love in Christ Jesus.
    The body of CHRIST has been subjected to doctrinal mess by Levite priests and Levite pastors. TITHE IS A PURE CLASSIC SLEEK DOCTRINAL FALSEHOOD FOR CHRISTIANS CULTIVATED IN UNMATCHED PERSONAL CONCEALED ZEAL BY PASTORS IN LEADERSHIP FOR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND GAINS WHO UNDERSTAND UNIVERSALLY ON TITHES AND SALVATION AND FAIL TO APPRECIATE THE TIME OF LAW AND THE TIME OF GRACE DISPENSATION. In willful deception by calling themselves the Levites of today who persecuted Christians and plunder Christians pockets today they are able to demand to be given tithes. Levites priests and elders never gave a helping hand to Christians. Christ did not leave His Church under Leviticus Priesthood and no Levite priest was chosen as His Apostle . Leviticus Priesthood is forced on the throats of Christians by pastors for perfectly concealed selfish interests and gains. Do they want to tell us that Christ and Apostles of Christ forgot to ask for tithes during the early formative stage of Christian Ministry. When we take the Word of God out of its content and contest ,we have contempt for the Word of God. He (GOD)who brought tithing under the Old Covenant took it away in His(CHRIST) own Divine rights( after the order of Melchisedec) in the new Covenant. Perfection is in grace and not in law. Hebrew7: 7-26, Hebrew8:6-13 Hebrew9:1-27 Hebrew10:1-23. Leviticus Priesthood is impressive to many since it involves waiting at the sanctuary for provision and serving only at the altar of sacrifice. The order of Melchisedec was in Melchisedec Himself and existed before any tithe was offered. It is erroneously taught that tithes taught in the Old Covenant and comments made on tithes in the New Covenant in reference to Old Covenant sum up to uphold to tithe for Christians in order of Melchisedec which some teachings made suggest the order of Melchisedec in modeled on tithes. Now where is indicated in the Holly Bible that Abraham redeemed his first born sons Ishmael and Isaac when they were born since he operated in faith in God and not under the law. The law is not of faith. We are saved by grace from all sins of iniquities.
    We can preach the Word of God quoting scriptures like the devil when he tested Jesus or quote the scriptures like CHRIST when He answered satan in time of need. Matthew 4:1-11 . Jesus Christ taught men can teach commandments of men for doctrines. Mathew15:5-9. This addressed falsehood which can come from those in authority in the Church ( bishops, pastors, priest and elders) leadership. We can have a zeal of faith and commitment to establish our own righteousness not according to righteousness of God in the knowledge of his Word. Roman 10:1-4. Pastors and priests calling themselves Levites today have capitalized on low level Christian doctrinal knowledge teachings among Christians. Tithing contradict the doctrine of salvation by GRACE and deprive the Christians in Loyal Priesthood in Christ Jesus the individual empowerment to do the Great Commission. When we are loyal Priests to whom do we tithe to? Is it not even if it were in Natural world for servants to tithe to Loyal Priests? Pastors Priest and Bishops are also in the Loyal Priesthood of Jesus Christ all of us being sons and servants composing the body of Christ unless they exclude themselves. The underlying mystery is to deliver the Church of Christ in concealed form to Leviticus Priesthood for Priests ,Pastor and Bishops to enable them demand tithes. Mathew15:5-9. We can preach the Word of God making the Church a house of merchandise to make merchandise of Christians and those who do so whose God is their belly which made Adam and Eve to fail in their relationship with God .It is a lucrative profitable business based on arithmetic of numbers cunningly preserved with tactical appreciations to the body of Christ and spreading of the Gospel. Are elect Christians deceived out of their wits? Romans 16:17 -19 ,2 Peter 2:1-3, John 2:16, Philppians3:17-19. We can preach Christ out of envy, strife or of good will. Philippians 1:15-17,2Corinthians4:1-2. It is the body of Christ the Church which is sent to preach to the world also as individuals brethren bearing the burden to preach to the world as Apostles of Christ did. The responsibility has not been on shoulders of priests and pastors only. Brethren are the loyal priests and ambassadors of Christ and has committed unto us the Church the word of reconciliation, 2 Corinthians :19-20. THERE WERE NO FENCE SITTINGS AND ARE NO FENCE SITTINGS IN THE NEW COVENANT MINISTRY MEDIATED BY OUR APOSTLE AND THE HIGH PRIEST OF OUR FAITH LORD JESUS CHRIST. Apostles labored with their hand to provide for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Christians’ offerings they received were not tithes. No one is specially chosen to be at receiving end of tithes so as to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We saved Christians are the Loyal Priests AND Ambassadors of Jesus Christ.2 Peter 2:1-9, 2 Corinthians5:14-20. The preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not entirely sorely in the hands of clergy. It is in the hands of the (Church) believers composing the body of Jesus Christ.
    Tithing is a hard topic to teach without spiritual understanding since we have many high profile elite preachers teaching on the same with books written of great hoped promises and condemnation on the same for those who do not tithe, Ephesians 5:6-7, 1Thessalonians 2:3-4. Some well educated elite Christians are involved in deceptive teaching on tithes which is warmly appreciated from the pulpit. They are the magnetizing force with alluring great hoped blessed promises of wealth based on tithes. When will it dawn on them that they teach doctrine of men on tithing for Christians saved by grace. On moving from one church to the church or by taking a flight from one continent to another continent on falsehood mission, lies taught on tithes by them cannot be justified by the sacrificial cost incurred to do so. Only when they uphold the truth and uplift Christ as they decrease and Christians stop earthly social status cult adoration in respect of human beings will truth prevails’. Pharisees and the Scribes were most well educated and Jesus said woe unto them seven times for being stumbling blocks in faith. Mathew 23:9-39. We only need to rightly divide the Word of God and know whether we are Christians seeking salvation under the law or we are Christians saved by grace in Christ through the Spiritual law of love, Corinthians 1:12-16,2 Timothy 2:15 . We redeemed sons of God who are made Kings and priests unto God have a common inheritance in Christ Jesus, Galatians 4:4-5, Colssians1:9-14 ,1Corinthians 2:12-16. Revelation 1;4-6 .Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr. Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests, Acts;5:17-42. We are called spiritual sons of God after salvation not before in fallen state and who are enabled to do the righteousness that was in the law but we are not under the law. The same priests and pastors wreck the spiritual scriptures when they teach fallen Angles are called sons of God who married daughters of men giving offspring of giants , Genesis 6:1-8. God says he has never called any angles his son, Hebrew 1:4-5.When were fallen angles redeemed and sanctified to be called sons? The ownership of daughters is unto multiplied men who were referred to as sons of God and the lust to polygamous marriage was with men. Are beautiful daughters born today for men? Shall we have another episode of fallen angles marrying daughters of men before the close of age? Many have taught the Word of God outside Biblical doctrines so many are deceived in their teaching and preaching which condemn God as unjust since no judgment is passed to angles they refer to as sons of God. When men dropped further from grace when they practiced polygamous marriage and their life span was reduced to one hundred and twenty years , no judgment is passed to purposed angles they teach us sons of God. The sons of God were men who had done reconciliation to God the same way Abel had done and was accepted by God. The judgment is specifically to mankind and giants born in sin of polygamous marriage do not qualify the sons of God to be angles. God said His spirit shall not always strive with man and He saw the wickedness of man was great. This time there is no wickedness associated with angles, Genesis6:1–7 . Angles are ministering spirits with no reproductive empowerment, Matthew 22:29-32, Hebrew 1:14-14.
    Our relationship to God our Father is in love in our loyal priesthood to the world. Roman 8:14-17. Only those who are not sincere mix teaching under carnal law and spiritual teaching enlightenment under spiritual law. When we study the old covenant it should help us get rooted deeply in the new covenant. The devil uses the nobles, evil and false witness to do his will according to circumstances, Acts 13;50-51 Acts 6: 9-14. Christians must remain wise and not be cheated by devils workers transforming themselves as angles of light which corrupt the Word of God, 2Corinthians2:17, 2Corinthians11: 13-15. Levites Pastor, Priests and some Christians misquote Jesus Christ on judgment. Judge not that you may be not judged . Matthew7:1-5. They say God prohibit judgment which is not true since it is based on taking the scripture out of content and contest on understanding Jesus statement. It has given them a highway of teaching lies without being questioned. They have separated themselves from the body of Christ to ideal entity who cannot be censured. Shall you close your eyes to evils committed that they may not judge you. Do you buy yourself freedom from being judged for not condemning evil or commenting on anything positive or negative. The preaching of the Word of God is based on judgment on sins and righteousness . God requires from us righteous judgment in wisdom and in love which condemn sins which leads man to repentant of sins and redemption. The Word of God in its content and contest states judgment on sins and righteousness. Christians are saved by grace in Christ’s love and our judgment must remain under Spiritual law of love in Grace that leads to redemption and under perfect law of liberty to do righteousness in Christ love, James 1:20-25, James2:10-26. Thus to him that knows to do good in liberty and does not do it is sin to him, James 4:15 Bro James taught us to avoid judgment under carnal law that brings condemnation without redemption. Those who live under law shall face judgment without mercy for no man shall be justified by the works of the law,Galatians2:16-21 . All living beings and organic life are in constant judgment for existent. If we can stop all processes of judgments life will come to a standstill and ultimate death with final judgment of decay. Life and all creation were established in good judgment by God and close of age shall end in judgment to eternal life or eternal death which is eternal life of suffering and separation from God. Genesis 1:1-31, Genesis 2:1-25. Even our bodies judge us out of energy and we hunger for food and thirst for water. All witty discoveries are results of acknowledgment of positive judgments on well active coordinated principals. Christians are encouraged to solve cases in judgment among themselves. 1Corinthians 6:1-7,The Bible encourages us that our love may abound yet more in knowledge and in all Judgment and we judge ourselves dead in Christ, 2 Corinthians5:14 ,Philippians 1:9-12. Life is in active constant judgments and the creation mourns for final judgment which it shall be subjected by God. We relate in evaluation to all things in judgment. What we known and do not know is based on judgment. What we believe right or wrong is based on judgment. Irrespective of any judgment delivered on us we should deliver the Heavenly Kingdom judgment to sins. We saved Christians are counted and judged worthy to suffer tribulations together with Christ when we live Christian life in love ,Revelation Chapter1,2 and3. We thus judge ourselves dead to sin in Christ Jesus. We cannot stop delivering Heavenly Judgments to buy ourselves freedom from being judged. Without sense of judgmental evaluation of good, evil or bad would never exist for humanity and humanity would enter into a void valueless state in life. Even when others say do not judge others , that statement bear judgment in itself. Our appreciation is in judgment.
    There are may be those who preach tithing to saved Christians for lack of spiritual understanding. We should girdle up the loins of our minds as the knowledgeable wise sharers of the Word of God . 1Peter :13-15.Roman 10:1-4. We shall be off the hook of being soothed ,cornered, and been cheated on doctrinal issue in Christianity. God bless us in abundant grace of spiritual revelation and spiritual understanding of His Holy Word, Colssians1:9-14, Ephesians 5:6 -7,1Thessalonians 2:3-6, 2Timothy2:15, 2Timothy 2:24-26 . Amen I am happily blessed to interact with you on spiritual teachings. Hope we shall search more scriptures for our beneficial spiritual growth . Yearning to receive your input on the topic .God bless you.
    The message is freely given purely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide.
    By Br. Robert Munyui Kamunyu

    • robert

      good, thoughtful summary

    • Robert,

      While you did point out that we’re still called to give, I wanted to be sure this stood out. Some people see any mention of tithing being under the old law and immediately stop giving anything. We’re to learn discernment of when to give and where. To give with right motives…not the give and it will be given to you speech.

      Some churches do have a need for offerings just to keep the lights on in the church or to supply necessary items to operate the church. Some pastors live humbly and some lavishly.

      I stopped tithing when I couldn’t pay my rent, and because of what I’d been taught, I had all sorts of anxiety over it. I felt my finances were taking a drastic plummet because I’d stopped tithing. Rather than know they were plummeting because of sickness, bad luck and often just bad planning.

      I do still give in the offering but I feel no obligation to pour money into the church but to give according to my means so I’m doing what I can in helping to pay the church electric bill. I give moreso when it is going to an evangelist who paid gas and meals to drive for 8 hours to come preach. Or when it’s going towards the funds to build a church or well in Honduras or Ghana.

      Rather than give in tithes, I try to provide tissues when I find them on sale. Many times I reach for a tissue in church and can’t find one, so I like to make sure we can all find one when we need it. LOL

      Pastors often use the story of the woman who gave all she had but in the wrong context. That woman gave sacrificially because of her love of God and trust that He would take care of her. The message was of sacrifice…not tithing. We can sacrifice our time in prayer and study, in visiting someone sick or elderly, in helping a friend move.

      Christ’s message was give freely to those who ask, to esteem others better than ourselves. He also taught we should be good stewards of what He’s given us. Not hoarding it. When we give, we need to consider the motive…WHY are we giving? Is it because we’re concerned about a brother or sister who needs help we can give…even though it means we can’t go out to eat after church? Or is it because we’re trying to look good in front of the church or buy God’s blessings.

      Learning that the tithe is old law isn’t supposed to be an excuse not to give but it’s to not allow pastors to place heavy burdens on us. To give from the heart and not because we’re expecting a return on our investment.

  148. I have a question this lady told me to give $40 dollars to sow a seed and I will get me a better place to live should I give her my money so what do I do

    • teresa

      NO

      do not give your money to anyone to “sow a seed” so you can get enough money from God to get a better place

      that is not what sow a seed means….in the bible, sowing a seed means sowing the word of god, not money

      you do not give money to people who want your money for themselves.

      to get help from God, you just ask him….god does not want your money, he wants YOU.

      tell this prosperity witch to go repent before god for her greed, she is robbing the poor to benefit herself.

    • This is what Scripture tells us about trying to buy from God…

      Acts 8
      18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” 20 Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money!

      If this “lady” (to use the term loosely) thinks you need a better place to live that badly, she should be sowing those seeds she’s bilking out of people. Put her money where her mouth is and help get you a better place. You need to go see what kind of place she lives in to really understand.

  149. I like this

  150. I like this Marianne. The fact of the matter is that through money we can actually unintentionally fund and sow into the wrong spiritual things. We can give our money to things the Lord is chastening, or to ministries not ordained by God. I’m not saying not to tithe or give to the Church, I’m just saying make sure it’s Christ led. If you give to a ministry that you know feeds the poor, you know you are sowing into His kingdom. If you give to a person that is full of bad agenda then you are unwittingly funding thier wicked agenda. God knows our hearts and will forgive any misdeed but just as much as you give your service and time to the kingdom, also be aware of where you plant your monetary seed. Peace & love in Him.

  151. Good day

    I do not agree with what you are saying. I have applied the methods of sowing as led by the Holy Spirit and at a young age i have seen the abundance the Lord has blessed me with. Your scripture qoutations have been made out of context as there are 2 types of sowing – something Oral always taught was get the word, sow the word into your life ( renewing your mind) and sow financially. You need to clarify when Jesus spoke of sowing financial seed amd when sowing the word of God.
    How can you always just sow the word of God? (something we must do as Jesus said it with that i agree we must teach people)
    Old testament people sowed – the land, cattle and servants showed peoples wealth in the old testament. Abraham who sacrifised goats and lambs on the altar to God ended up having more and more Goats and lambs, in fact Abraham and Lot split up because the had so much possesions. Isaac also sacrificed(sowed) goats and sheep. Genesis says when he moved back to his homeland after marying Rabecca an Lea the word said he had thousand upon thousands of sheep and goats. Paul said if you read different translations that God gives seed to the sower(farmer). Why money? Because the Lord knew that everything revolves around God and funds. The Lord himself declared many times he wants to prosper us. I have seen God from sowing and praising and thanking God daily how my financial life changed radicly, but i am simply a steward(manager) of my farthers finances so i am blessed to be a blessing. I am able to teach the word of God all around the world because of this principle, i have no debts, do not need debt and i have fancy things, if God wants me to sow my Mercedes i will happily do it, because it belongs to God anyway!

    • quintin

      you have a right to your opinion, of course…but I still do not see it your way.

      If you read many of the comments on this page, most are complaining of being lied to, and their money taken, while being mistreated and ignored, when in need

      giving was in animals and food, in the bible, esp the old testament

      the tithe was meant for sacrifices only , and only at the altar of sacrifice at the temple. Mal 3:10 chastises priests, NOT the people, for keeping the tithe, thus robbing God. the tithe was to be burned on the altar, not given to “man.”

      the tithe is currently inactive since there is no temple.

      the new testament just instructs to give as one purposes in one’s heart…and the recipients are the poor and other brethren in need, no one else

      I have been a big giver, and there was NO financial return for anything I gave… I now have only 1/10 of what I gave left…..so in a financial sense, I LOST money giving, I did not gain anything.

      I think if you are teaching the WORD all around the world, that is good. But I do not equate money as reward or as a sign of holiness. I do not have a mercedes, I have a 20 year old toyota, and I regret the “sowing” I did to prosperity teachers, as it appeals to people who are desperate and those who are greedy.

      I teach the Word for free, and all my needs are met, so I am happy; and I do not give to prosperity preachers now, because the bible says not to give money to the rich, but to the poor instead.

      • Amen And being Blessed is not necessarily because God blesses one for tithing.

        Jeremiah 12:1 1You are always righteous, Lord, when I bring a case before you. Yet I would speak with you about your justice: Why does the way of the wicked prosper? Why do all the faithless live at ease?

        There are wicked people who prosper just because God hasn’t chosen to step in for whatever His reasoning. There are faithful who prosper and some who don’t. My mom has always paid tithes faithfully (she’s still under the tithing spell), yet she has NEVER been prosperous. She worked hard all her life and couldn’t even afford to retire. Yet she’s still tithing.

        • encourage her to stop and take care of herself

          • Wish it was that simple. She is set in her ways on it after all these years. She knows I don’t pay into tithes but still believes we should to be obedient to God. When dad was alive, they did a lot more than that for the church, such as giving money to each graduate in the church each year, paying towards missions and providing all the water for the church. She tried to keep up but realized she had to let those things go.

        • That’s a shame because Jesus Christ is King and his sacrifice has broken the curse of poverty, pray that Jesus reveals himself as.king to her, He will provide as the King that He is

  152. Repent from your evil ways and accepted Jesus as your Lord and your personal saver:for the bible said in the book of John:3v16 for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,that whoever believes in Him shoould not perish but have everlasting life. for the book of John:3v17 said that for God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

  153. Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand
    for the bible said in the book of John 14v6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way,the truth,and the life:no man cometh unto the Father,but by me.
    the bible said that in the book John 3v3: Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily,Verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. john 3v4: Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his monther’s womb, and be born? john 3v5 Jesus answered, Verily, Verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he coannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    Romans 6v 23 for the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Romans 8 v 1 THERE is therefor now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit. Romans 8 v 2 : for the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

  154. Thank u for your comment u just opened my eyes

  155. Yes I agree totally, have you ever had a revelation about the three offices of Christ though?

  156. Several things seem to work well for these preachers.http://www.paintinghere.com/uploadpic/John%20Singleton%20Copley/big/The%20Tribute%20Money.jpg

  157. You are 100 percent right

  158. Christ became poor that we may become rich.according to the scripture and if we don’t give to the church how then can the gospel be spread and how the church bills will be me Malachi 3:10 understand the scripture

    • nick

      christ did NOT become poor, so we could be rich…that is a heresy taught by prosperity teachers who want your money

      the gospel was originally preached by apostles who taught the word of god
      they did not build church buildings and ask for money to pay the light bill, and they did NOT ask for salaries

      malachi 3:10 is a rebuke to the religious leaders who robbed the tithes after the people gave…it is NOT a command to people to give more money….that is what prosperity preachers do today..they take the money for themselves….and they will burn in hell for it

      read all of the first 3 chapters of malachi, and you will see this is true

  159. It can be very confusing when you tithe from gross, give offerings in bible study, then your ask to ow seeds; because a preacher preached a sermon, which I call sharing God’s good news and you’ve got to pay more money and it’s called sowing a seed. Depresses me!!

    • carolyn

      stop all this giving, it is all going to the pastor, not the poor, or God.

      robbing God in malachi 3:10 is all about priests/ leaders/ pastors robbing god of tithes, not the people, which is what is going on again now

      sowing seed in the bible refers to sowing the word of god, NOT money

      give directly to god by helping the poor.

  160. The great fallacy of the so called faith movement is that it does not distinguish between the saved and the unsaved. It never depicts Jesus as the Saviour of poor lost mankind. The doctrines of the faith movement are lies from the pit of hell.

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