Once Saved, Always Saved?

Are we automatically forgiven, and still saved, when we sin, and do not repent?

Is grace that liberal?

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~ by Marianne on July 2, 2011.

24 Responses to “Once Saved, Always Saved?”

  1. The word of God tells us in: Proverbs 14:14 The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man [shall be satisfied] from himself. This has been a hard thing for Christians to swallow in their daily walk in Christ Jesus! Yes we can fall away from God by returning to our worldly ways since receiving Jesus as our savor. Here in Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. By obedience, faith, living righteously, holy and under the Blood of Christ Jesus he is faithful in his word to keep all that the Father has given him into life eternal. Even Jesus stated to the church of Ephesus Revelations 2:4 Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Christ is our first love, as he is God in one, in that even a church has fallen away from God in worldly ways that requires repentance in returning to God. This leads us to 2Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 2Peter 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Lets us make sure that our hearts, mind and soul by the spirit of God is walking so that we will finish the race that is set before us and cross the finish line in obedience, love, faith and hope in all endurance with insurance of God’s promises. God Bless, David

  2. We are not automatically forgiven, as God requires that we confess our sins, even after salvation. (1 John 1:9) However once God places His seed in a person, that is irreversible and that person remains God’s son or daughter, despite their lifestyle.Human parents rarely disinherit their children, and God never does. The fate of a person you describe is described in 1 Corinthians 3 :15. Saved…yet so as by fire. They will still be saved, but made well aware of the wrong they have done.

  3. Hi Richard, Marianne and all,

    Regarding once saved, always saved, tell me what you think about the following:

    “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardner. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. I am the true vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a brance that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

    In the verses above, Jesus is speaking to his disciples and to all who believe in him. He says that we must remain in him in order to be able to bear fruit. Notice that any believer that does not remain in him cannot bear fruit and anyone who does not bear fruit can be cut off and thrown into the fire to be burned.

    Based on the above, I would say that, “Once saved, always saved” is a lie. As soon as a believer goes back into the sinful nature, he is no longer keeping his part of the covenent, which is, faith. When the word of God says, “You are saved by grace through faith” it means continual faith, that is, from fatih to faith. Once you stop having faith, you become unplugged from God’s grace. God is going to do things to bring you back, but if a person does not respond and continues sowing to the sinful nature, then he is accumulating sin unto death as the following verse would infer:

    “My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns the sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins. (James 5:15)

    In the verse above, James refers to the perspective wanderer as “Brother” and therefore, he is already a believer. Notice that, if that brother wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, that person is saved from death and a multitude of sins are covered over, which would infer that while that person is in that wandering state, he is accumulating sin and is on his way to death. We must continue to sow to the spirit in order to obtain eternal life, for if we are sowing to the sinful nature, we will not inherit eternal life as the word of God makes clear:

    “The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, disensions, factions and envy;drunkenness, orgies and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.” (Gal.5:19-21)

    Now to be sure, paul is not speaking to unbelievers, but to the church in Galatia. Therefore, if one who is a believer goes back to sowing to the sinful nature as mentioned above, then it is clear that that person is not sealed so that he has a garunteed seat in heaven regardless of what he does, as the following Scripture would also proclaim:

    “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

    In other words, don’t fool yourself! You’re not going to pull one over on God! Your actions are what will determine your fate. You can claim all you want to be in Christ, but if you are living to please the sinful nature, then you are going to reap destruction. The proof is in the pudding, as they say. You can say one thing, but what you are sowing to will determin the outcome.

    Here is a perfect example: New York just voted that same-sex couples can now legally be married. Many of those people claim to be in Christ, but instead of repentence, they have justified their sin of sexual immorality and are embracing it! Not only that, but many of the so-called pastors and overseers in New York are looking forward to performing the marriages for these same-sex couples, which means they are condoning this life-style. Yet the word of God says that the sexually immoral and those who sow to the sinful nature in general, will not inherit the kingdom of God, but will reap destruction.

    Jesus did not shed his blood to pay the penalty for our sins so that we could bring our sins with us and continue in them! We are to fight against the flesh and overcome, which is the message at the end of each of the letters to the seven churches in Revelation. Notice that the promises are to those who overcome. Also, one would have to ask the question in regards to the following Scripture:

    “He who overcomes will, like them be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.” (Rev.3:4-5)

    So, according to the verse above, the promise to those who overcome is that they will be dressed in white and their names will not be blotted out of the book of life, which begs the question, what about those who do not overcome? It must necessarily be the exact opposit of those who overcome.

    In order for our sins to be covered and to obtain eterna life, we must continue in our part of the covenant, that being, faith. When we stop having faith, then we are unplugged from God’s grace.

    There are so many more examples that destroy the “Once saved, always saved” theory! I could go on to cite “Not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord will inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Or how about this one:

    “If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olives shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, ‘Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.’ Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. (Rom.11:17-21)

    Above, Paul is speaking to Gentile believers in Rome about how the natural branches (Israel) were broken off and how the wild olive shoots, which represents the Gentiles, were grafted in. Notice that Pauls says that, ‘We stand by faith.’ The natural branches were broken off because of unbelief and if we do not continue in faith we can also be broken off. That doesn’t give the impression of being sealed to me. It sounds like the continuence of faith is required to be sealed and that because faith is not a one time thing, but throughout our lives we must continue from faith to faith. Yesterdays faith cannot save you!

    As God’s word says, “Whatever you sow to that is what you will reap.”

    • Hi, dmcal. Most reads John 15:1-10 as if the branches (believers) may be cut off (when not enough good works are accomplished) and thrown into fire (hell fire?).

      Download and check in G-John from tiny.cc/BostonReaders to see that this may not have be read that way. If you need reference on it, e-mail me at kwonbbl@gmail.com.

      • Hi Ounbbl,

        If the fruit of the Spirit were defined by works alone, then that would be inferring that salvation is attained by doing good works and not by grace through faith alone. The fruit that God wants us to produce are these:

        “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control.”

        Therefore, the fruit that we are to bear are the characteristics of God’s nature. As we continue being tranformed into the image of Christ, we take on more of God’s nature by going from faith to faith. If we do not remain in Christ who is the true vine, then we cannot bear fruit. Furthermore, we cannot bear fruit while sowing to the sinful nature, but rather we supress the truth of God while in that state. If we continue in that state we are no longer having faith and are on our way to death and that because we are no longer keeping our part of the contract, which is faith. It is faith from faith, not one initial act of faith. The same faith that initially saves us, is the same faith that maintains our connection to God’s grace.

        As long as a lamp is plugged into the wall, it receives electricity to light the bulb, but if you unplug it, then you have lost connection to the electricity and the light goes out. Faith is our plug and God’s grace is the electricity. As long as we continue in faith, we are plugged in to that grace, but as soon as we stop having faith, then we lose connection. This is why James could say the following:

        “My brothers, if one of you should wander from he truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save thim from death and cover over a multitude of sins.” (James 5:19)

        So, the first thing that we notice is that, James is speaking to believers and those who would be prospective wanderers. Notice that the person in this wandering state is referred to as a sinner and that he is on his way to death and in is also accumulating a multitude of sins while in that state. When you we wander away, we are unplugged from God’s grace, because we are not longer having faith, but have gone back to sowing to the sinful nature and the word of God also says that it is impossible to please him in the flesh.

        This truth is also reveled in what Paul said:

        “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please the sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.” (Gal.6:7-8)

        Allow me to paraphrase:

        Don’t fool yourself, You’re not going to put one over on God! You’re gonna reap what you are sowing to. You can be claiming to be in Christ and led by the Spirit of God, but it is your actions that will determine what you will reap. If you say, “I am in Christ,” but are living a life to please the sinful nature, that will be brought to light. All things are layed bare and open before God and there is nothing in secret that he doesn’t know about and so, you are not going to sow to the sinful nature and then reap eternal life.

        There is no such thing as “Once save, always saved.” The promises of forgiveness of sin and eternal life are received through faith and must be maintained by that same faith.

        Yours in Christ

        • Also, just an FYI, I don’t need to go and read what someone else has studied regarding the word of God, because I have been studying God’s word for the last 38 years and I don’t need anyone else to interpret what I am studying. This has become a great problem in these last days, in that, everyone is basing the truth off of the writings of men instead of basing the truth from God’s word. This activity is related to the following prophecy:

          “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” (2 Tim.4:3)

          Go read this book! Go to this site! Go listen to this guy! Now we have those who are authorities within the church as pastors, teachers, prophets and preachers who indulge or approve of a same-sex life-style who actuallly believe that they are in Christ. And the world is being convinced, inlcluding Christians, that there is nothing wrong with a same-sex life-style, that is, sexual immorality. Instead of the Church converting the wicked to Christ, the wicked have converted God’s people back to wickedness. And how do they do this? Because many Christians don’t study the word of God and are deceived by these false teachers, who circumvent the word of God in order to support their sinful lifestyles. Have I judged? Yes! And in fact we are supposed to be judges within the church. What we are not supposed to be doing is judging in the sense of forming an opinion and passing sentence upon them, that is, to condemn. Have I condemned the sexually immoral? No! I say, they have every right to receive Christ and repent from their sinful nature just as we have, for this is what God requires. And if anyone does not think that is right for us to judge, that is, to form an opinion in regards to what is Godly and what is ungodly, I submit the following:

          “What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked man from among you.” (1 Cor.5:1-12)

          This is in fact what we should be doing within the church, but because Christians don’t understand what the Lord meant by not judging, they feel that the are not allowed to judge, that is, to determine right from wrong, that they shouldn’t say anything about anything or anyone. We should be judging with the attitude that we ourselves are sinners and have done and do the same things and always remember that we are saved by grace through faith. We should make judgments and bring these things to the attention of believers, teaching, training, correcting and rebuking them in love.

          Forgive me for going on and on, but there are many things happening in these last days, one of them being the recent vote by the state of New York to legalize same-sex marriage. I garantee you that because of the populatirty of the state of New York, considered to be a mover and shaker state, that the legalizing of same-sex marriages for the rest of the states will follow suit. If anyone does not think that this is not going to have an affect upon the world,and its inhabitants, think again!

          Prophecy is being fulfilled, for just as Jesus said that the last days would become like the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, so in fact they are and right before our very eyes. The scary part is there those who are in Christ who are supporting this and the number of pastors who are eager to begin performing same-sex marriages.

          Oh but celebrities like, Oprah, Ellen, Neil Patrick and many government officials support same-sex and therefore, it must be ok! Wrong! Those who support a same-sex life-style could get the entire world to agree with them, but in the end, there is only one person that anyone needs to be concerned about and that is God, and he has already made his feelings known regarding same-sex when he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which was an example for other generations. (2 Pet.2:6-10)

          In closing, we as Christians need to pick which side we are on and support the truth of God’s word, because if you are supporting, condoning or approving the acts of the sinful nature, then we are guilty of being tolerant of those things and in that case, the Lord has something against us as he did with the church of Thyaira. (Rev.2:20-25)

          Yours in Christ

  4. Great post as always Marianne! 😉

  5. Most Christians do not understand the difference between sonship with God and fellowship with God. When a person confesses Romans 10:9 they become saved. They receive the gift of holy spirit which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. This is called incorruptible seed in 1 Peter. This seed makes the saved person a son or daughter of God. Since it is incorruptible seed, it cannot be lost, just like our physical seed cannot be lost. Salvation is not of works, lest any man boast, as stated in Ephesians

    However, fellowship with God is not automatic. It is accomplished by obeying God’s Word via the renewed mind. It is fellowship which brings joy to Christian living. When we break fellowship (sin) we are still God’s children, but the joy of the fellowship relationship is lost. We are miserable and defeated, until the fellowship is restored. The fellowship is restored by confessing our sins (to God, not necessarily to another person).

    God’s grace is so big that eternal life cannot be lost (I know this is unpopular, but its what the Word says!)However, faithful sons and daughters of God may earn heavenly rewards by faithful Christian living. Unfaithful sons and daughters will still have eternal life, but not earn any rewards. I do not know what these rewards are, but I am sure they are good enough to motivate me to continue to live faithfully for God.

    • Hi Richard,

      I believe that with all that I posted above shows that your theory cannot to be true. As is stated, if one is in Christ and is sowing to the sinful nature, then that person will reap distruction. Explain the following:

      “But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with the drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and asign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

      So, here again, since he is called “Servant” this would show that he is a believer and if he goes back to the sinful nature, which is represented by drinking with drunkards and beating his fellow servants, then that servant will be given a place with the hypocrites, where there will be a weeping and gnashing of teeth. This would show that the prospective servant is not sealed, unless you want to claim that being cut into pieces, being assigned a place with the hypocrites, where there will be a gnashing of teeth as being sealed and obtaining eternal life!

      A believer must remain in the vine in order to bear fruit. If you don’t remain in the vine, you cannot bear fruit. If you don’t fruit, you are like a branch that is cut off and thrown into the fire. The word of God makes it very clear that that once saved always saved is a lie! When we stand at the beama seat of Christ, we are not judged according to sin, but we will receive reward and suffer lose of reward, but our salvation is intact because of faith. If a person goes back into living according to the sinful nature, that person is on his way to death and is accumulating sin. As I said in the earlier post, there is no way to validate what you are claiming by just this one example:

      “My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns the sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins. (James 5:15)

      The verse clearly states that, when the one who has wandered away is brought back, he is saved from death and a multitude of sins are covered. So tell me, how can a believer who is sealed for eternal life be saved from death and have a multitude of sins covered. What if the one who had wandered away never came back to the Lord? Then he would not be saved from death and those multitude of sins would not be covered over and that because he did not continue in faith. If a person was sealed, how could he be on his way to death and have a multitude of sins covered over? The answer is the same that it has always been, we must continue in faith to be sealed.

      According to your theory, a person could say, “Well, I’m not really concerned about my rank or position in heaven, so I will just have the best of both worlds and go back and enjoy the sinful nature, after all, I am sealed and that can’t be taken away from me.”

      Do you see how redicluous that is? But according to that view, a person could actually do just that. No! In order to abtain what is promised, that is, the forgiveness of sins and eternal life, we must do our part and continue in faith, for without faith it is impossible to please God. If a person goes back to sowing to the flesh and dies in that state, I garantee you, he will find himself in Hades waiting for the great white throne judgment.

      • Hi Don
        As you may know I am not in agreement with this post. James 5:15, along with 1 John 5:16-20 are talking about physical death and not spiritual death. Just wondering if you considered this.

        • Hi Dru,

          For those who take part in the resurrection, their souls/Spirits are reunited with their now resurrected bodies. When those who are resurrected out of Hades at the end of the millennial period, they will stand before God at the great white throne judgment, body, soul and spirit as a whole individual and anyones name not found in the book of life will be cast body, soul and spirit into the lake of fire, period! You cannot have the spirit being sealed in heaven with the body experiencing destruction in the lake of fire. Though the the body, soul and spirit are separate parts that make up man, all three parts will suffer the same fate. There is no sealing of the spirit for eternal life and the destruction of the body seperately in the lake of fire. This is just circumventing the word of God.

          We who are in Christ are saved body, soul and spirit, where those who are not in Christ will be resurrected in the same way, body, soul and spirit and cast alive into the lake of fire. This is what I am talking about in regards to the teachings of men. The individual judgment of the body, soul and spirit is nowhere supported in the word of God. Each individual goes to his his respective place as the whole individual. One must continue in the same faith that he initially had when he came to Christ in order to maintain his salvation and the hope of eternal life. I cannot go back into living according to the sinful nature, being sexually immoral, lying, slandering, gossiping, evenying, self seeking and whatever else there is to the sinful nature and die in that state and expect to inherit eternal life! This is what Paul meant when he said, “God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows to, that is what he will reap.” When the verse says, “Whatever a man sows to” it is speaking about the whole man, body, soul and spirit.

          With this kind of attitude, I could sleep with as many woman as I want and party hearty, because someone told me that my spirit is sealed. Rediculous! As for me, I will fear God and continue in the faith, keeping my flesh down, sowing to the spirit and looking for the promise of the Lord’s appearing to resurrect and catch us up.

          Yours in Christ

          • Don
            What is missing from your words is the Love of God. In the sanctification process, I have crucified the flesh through the work of God. I have no desire to sleep with as many women as i want, or to party hearty. Have I sinned in the past? yes, Have I sinned today?yes. Will I sin in the future? yes. But I know the blood of Jesus has paid the price for all of them. God has loved all of us, the wretches we are, and by his grace and Love has saved us. You are falling into the trap which I fell into of putting myself on a pedestal, saying that you are more than the wretch you are. This is idolotry, this is legalism, this is self-righteousness in its worst, for you have deceived yourself to the point that you think you are doing God’s work.

            Your responses above “reek” of pride. Lacks in Love for the “least” among us, and you are cheapening Christ’s work on the cross. You are bringing condemnation for those “who are in Christ Jesus” (Rom 8) And you are “leaning on your own understanding” of scripture. If you have the Holy spirit in you, you will understand why I am saying this. My brother, I have been there before, and done this, and it is NOT worth it.

            I pray in Jesus name that you will understand why I am saying this, and that I am doing it out of Love, as I said to Alienated also. You are heading down the wrong path. It leads to destruction. This is the broad way of all world religions. If the responses you are receiving to this post is any indication, You are not bearing the fruit of the spirit.
            The fruit of the spirit are “love, joy, peace,patience,kindness,goodness,faithfulness,23.gentleness, self-control; against such things there IS NO LAW….25.If we LIVE BY the spirit, let us also WALK BY the Spirit. 26 let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.” Gal. 5:22-26.

          • Say fella “human parents realy disinherit their children”Yes,but GOD’S ways are not our ways.Using human logic to interprit the things of God is abig mistake.

    • Hi, Richard, you say
      …. However, faithful sons and daughters of God may earn heavenly rewards by faithful Christian living. ….

      What is this ‘reward’ they are looking for?

      Thank you.

  6. No. Once saved, always saved isn’t the case. If we get saved from our former sins and sin again we ought to repent. the bible tells us that all have sinned, and if we have unforgiven, unconfessed sins we can end up backsliding. the bible also tells us that we are always to repent. we aren’t perfect.

  7. Also, if we have sin (any sin) in our hearts we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Sin is sin no matter what. Whether we gossiped or killed, sin is sin and all is rewarded with hell’s fire.

    • hi Davia,

      Thanks for joining the discussion. It really goes back to whether we are saved, or just think we are saved. A scary issue, but we must examine our lives.

  8. If we are truly saved, then our sins are no longer held against us: past, present, and future. If we are NOT saved, then all of our sins remain and we will pay the price, which is eternal damnation in hell. end of story.

    • Study to show yourself approve to God.Make sure your calling.Work out your salvation in fear and trembling.All these verses suggest effort on our part.yet the OSAS crowd make light of them or offer some mediocre explanation.God’s i structions is not to be taken light BEWARE.

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