Son of Man, Angel of the Lord, and the Messiah

clip_image001.jpgMicah predicts that a future ruler of Israel (Messiah) would be from everlasting.  

Is there anyone predicted by the prophets from visions that matches this description?


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~ by Marianne on May 19, 2013.

18 Responses to “Son of Man, Angel of the Lord, and the Messiah”

  1. Peace be unto you. When we die, there is nothing more. No heaven, no hell. Live by the beatitudes and you shall live your life as Jesus wished. And then it’s over. No more.

    • rick

      how do you know there is no heaven or hell….?

      where do you get your proof?

      • Marianne,

        Where’s your proof that there is a heaven or hell? Do you know someone who has claimed they’ve been there and back? The written word in a religion’s mythology does not qualify as proof. Is there a soul? I don’t know, although throughout 16 years of Catholic education I was expected to believe there was. The nuns, brothers and priests told us we needed to have faith in Christ and that he was our savior.

        • Rick

          For those who do not believe the bible, there are personal testimonies of those who have died, and then been brought back to life. They experienced either heaven or hell while clinically dead, and it permanently affected their lives.

          Also, it is typical for unbelievers to demand proof from believers. The tables could be turned, and someone demand proof for your unbelief. So think about that.

          I can sympathize with your disappointment with the catholic education. I spent time there myself. the education was focused on telling us what to believe, not why it was true. But as the Lord told me, they failed me….they did not do a good job, and left me without the strength I needed to live in that taught faith.

          Jesus is real, and so is god. Faith is more than believing in what others say. It is based on a personal relationship and experience with God. God will make himself known to you if you seek him. If you are not interested, then it will remain as it is now.

          I have a young ex muslim living with me now who had a personal encounter with God. He was crippled, and trying to walk down the road. He had aspergers’ syndrome also, and was awkward, with people teasing him. his life was unhappy until one day (13 years old) he was trying to walk home on the road, and a bright light appeared to him, and a lighted figure, who healed his crippled condition. He was so happy God healed him, and knew jesus was the one standing there. He has been a believer ever since. He was excited and told everyone he was christian. this was a mistake, because the muslim country he lived in considered conversion a capital offense, punishable by death.

          as a child he was alienated, and as a young teenager, he was almost killed for his converision, as he lived in a muslim country hostile to christians. christians around him were being beheaded. he had been identified as a target for execution. what delayed things was his age. he was still a child and had to reach the age of 18 first. I tried to help him get a visa to escape there, but multiple attempts failed. I prayed so hard that he be spared. Finally when I was exhausted and defeated, the visa miraculously got approved, and he was able to come to where I live.

          while you do not believe, this young boy would be prepared to die for what he believes. God healed him through Jesus, and he is grateful, and an eye witness to that visionary figure standing on the road ahead of him, who took mercy on him an, healed him, and provided a way of escape from that country.

          I also had a similar vision, where a statue in a church came alive to me, and I was awestruck that Jesus, with a big wonderful smile, full of joy and acceptance, was standing in front of me. It was the happiest moment of my life.

          What has disappointed you is that there has been no personal encounter with a loving savior who changed your life.

          I really pray that you pray, and ask that God make himself known to you, that you feel his presence and love, and acceptance. once you stand in his presence, you will never need convincing again.

  2. Dont pay attention to him. We know that God is real and there will be a resurrection of the dead. Some unto shame and some unto everlasting life. That is real and is fact. Just ignore those who dont believe, they will get their answer eventually and see the proof for themselves and then they will have to answer to, why didnt you believe? What will they say? Err uhhh err uhh, not a good position to be in is it?

  3. As for the nature of Christ all I can offer is this

    Son Of God

    Who is Jesus of Nazareth? When He walked upon this earth over nineteen hundred years ago He asked His disciples: “Whom do men say that I, the Son of man am?” They answered that some declared Him to be John the Baptist, while others claimed that He was Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He said to His disciples, “But whom say ye that I am?” (Matt. 16:15). Here we find the correct answer as to whom Jesus is. The man who knows and believes this and can give this answer from the depth of his heart in spirit and in truth is blessed. He has had revelation from heaven through the Word of truth. Hear the answer of truth! “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Matt. 16:16). Unless we come without any strings attached, without any wresting or twisting of these words, and believe them just as they are stated, we cannot know the living God. Neither do we understand His plan of salvation.

    “Thou art the Christ,” means, “Thou art the Anointed One.” Now those who contend that Jesus was God Himself or the High God can never believe that Jesus was the Anointed One. Why? Those who advocate that Jesus is God Himself claim there is a triune God and therefore is equal to and co-existent with God the Father.

    In Acts 10:38 we find these words: “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power.” Let us think honestly and clearly before God. If Jesus were God Himself or part of a trinity Godhead, equal and co-existent with two other parts in a God head of three, it would be impossible for Him to be anointed by any one of the other two. That would make one of them greater than He. The Bible clearly states that “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power.” If God had not anointed Jesus with the Holy Ghost and with power, could He ever have accomplished anything worthy of mention? How many sins could He have forgiven? How many sick could He have healed? Could He have raised the dead? You see, Jesus was not God, but was the Son of God and was dependent upon His Father. (John 5:19-21)

    Now hear the Word of the Lord. It may change your theology; it may destroy what you have believed for years; but it is the truth. John 5:19 states, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do.” Look closely at this for a moment. If Jesus were God Himself, or even equal with God, then Jesus could do nothing of Himself and neither could God. Someone will say that He can do what He sees the Father do. That is true. Jesus can do what He sees His Father do, but if they are equal, God must also see His father act before He is able to do His wonderful acts. God has no father. Even a child prejudiced to the teachings of men can see the error in this line of thought.

    John 5:20 states, “The Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” Now if Jesus were God Himself, or equal with God, and had been with God from all eternity, would God have to show Him the works that He did? Friends, the doctrines of the trinity and of the pre-existence are doctrines of the devils that are to destroy men’s faith in the true God and in Jesus His Son.

    In John 5:26 and 27, we read, “As the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.” Now you either believe this or you deny it. Notice, the Father has life in Himself. God only has immortality, but how did Jesus get life? The Father gave it to Him, both natural life through birth, and immortality through a resurrection. If Jesus were God Himself or equal with God, God could not give Him life, for He would already have it even as the Father has it . Then again, how did Jesus get His authority to execute judgment? Hear again the Word of God. God gave it to Him. Could Jesus be as great as the Father, if the Father is the one who anointed Him with power and gave Him life and gave Him His authority? The only reason Jesus has the authority He now has is because God gave it to Him.

    In John 5:30 Jesus repeats again, “I can of mine own self do nothing.” Could Jesus do anything of Himself alone? He said He could of His own self do nothing. Did God ever do anything by Himself? In Isaiah 44:24 it is said of God, “I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.” Many say that Jesus helped to create the earth or that He was the Creator, but here the speaker said, “I stretched forth the heavens alone and spread abroad the earth by myself.” Jesus said, “I can of mine own self do nothing.” The disciples of Christ knew full well that Jesus was not God, neither any part of a trinity Godhead, but was the Son of God, begotten by the Spirit and power of God according to the Word of God born of the virgin Mary. Born – really born – not incarnated, but born!

    I would like to say here that the words “God the Son”, “pre-existent” , “trinity” , and “incarnate” are nowhere found in the Bible. They are terms put to use by the satanic host to deceive ministers and churchgoers and to rob them of ever knowing the real Son of God. This is what Peter had reference to in 2 Peter 2:1 when he said, “There shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

    Friends, do you deny the Lord that bought you? Do you know which Lord bought you? It could not be God Himself, for God cannot die. It cannot be a trinity Christ, for He would be equal with God. Since God cannot die, neither could a trinity Christ. The Scriptures declare that Christ died for our sins. (1 Cor. 15:3) According to the Scriptures, the Son of God, born of a virgin, brought into existence by the power of God, being anointed with life from God, power and authority from God, died for our sins, thus giving His entire life for us. But, thanks be to God, He raised Him up from the dead.

    The world, by accepting the pre-existent theory and the doctrine of the trinity, deny the flesh and bones that God caused to be born to be our Savior. Dear friends, if you deny the flesh and bones that God caused to come forth to life from Mary’s womb, you deny the Lord that bought you. This is what Jesus had reference to when He said that many false Christs would arise and deceive, not a few, but many. Today more people believe and pay tribute to and glorify and pray to a false Christ, who never did die for them, than they that accept a flesh-and-bones Savior who died on a tree for our sins. The false Christ is the pre-existent Christ, the trinity Christ, the Christ that is said to be God Himself. The true Christ is the Son of the living God and the anointed of Him.

    In John 6:57 we find, “As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father.” Notice that the living Father sent the Son. Could one God be equal with another when one was sent of the other? Notice also Jesus said, “I live by [and through] the Father.” Without the Father, Jesus never would have existed and had life.

    In John 7:16 Jesus said, “My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.” If Jesus were God Himself or a part of a trinity God, how could He say, “My doctrine is not mine” ? If Jesus were equal to the Father and the doctrine He was giving was not His, does Jesus have a doctrine just as equal and powerful and strong as the doctrine of His Father? And does the Holy Spirit also have another doctrine? Would their doctrines be the same or different?

    Jesus gave us to know that He had nothing to do with the origin of the doctrines which He spoke. They originated with the Father, and the Son spoke the doctrines of the Father. In John 7:28 Jesus said, “Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.” If Jesus were God Himself, would He not have had to send Himself? He said, “I am not come of myself.” Friend, did you or I come of ourself? We had nothing to do with it. We did not come into existence by our will, for we had no will, no life, no intellect, until we were born. The same is true of Christ. Jesus did not come of Himself, but God sent Him. If there were three equal Gods, why would one God send another one of the other two to die? If one could send one of the other two to die, would not the one that had power to send be greater? When God spoke of Jesus in the old testament he said: Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. Jesus spoke Gods words that he himself gave to him. 1 Chronicles 22:10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever. Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

    In John 8:28 Jesus said, “I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.” When one God has to be taught of another God, the God that does the teaching would be the greater. If Jesus were co-equal with God and co-existent with Him, He would not have to be taught from the Father.

    Again, Jesus said in John 8:42, “I proceed forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.” Jesus told us in John 10:18, “I have power to lay it [my life] down, and I have power to take it again. ” Where did He get this power? He said, “This commandment have I received of my Father.” When one person gives another person commandments, one is supreme to the other. Jesus said in John 10:29, “My Father … is greater than all. “1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

    Friends, do you not understand that Jesus is the anointed flesh and bones which God brought forth to life by His Holy Spirit, His own power, and that there is no other Savior of truth who could die for us? First John 2:22 says, “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Anointed One?” Friend, if you contend that Jesus is God Himself, or a part of a trinity God, or a pre-existent Jesus, with power to create before He was born, then He could never be anointed by the Father.

    Understand this, “He is antichrist that denieth the Father and Son.” The Father is God and Jesus Christ is His Son, born of the virgin by the power of God. They are two separate and different beings. Anyone who denies this is antichrist. Which side are you on?

    May God help you to believe in His Son, even as the Ethiopian eunuch, who said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

    1JN 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

    1JN 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

    1JN 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    1JN 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

    • marcus

      pre-existence and the trinity are two different concepts…..they are not necessarily linked.

      God and the angels preexisted before earth was created….this is a stand alone concept and is documented in the bible…after all, if god did not pre-exist before creation, how did creation come about?

      the same is true for angels and whoever else was in heaven at the time of creation and afterwards.

      the trinity is an interpretation of the father, son and holy spirit relationship.

      i agree that scripture really does not support them being equal to each other, but the three still do exist.

      I disagree that jesus just popped into existence one day, as any other human with a flesh body

      Jesus messiah was predicted to be “from everlasting” when he was born… Micah 5:2

      Micah did not say “to everlasting,” indicating once he was born, only THEN would he exist forever.

  4. So do you say that there are three Gods?

  5. so are you saying there are three entities in heaven right now. God the father (the only one God) Jesus Christ (Son Of God but not God), and a holy spirit personage?

  6. By the way are you COG?

  7. Thats pretty much how I see it also. God gave his son everything to accomplish Gods own will. I however dont think that there is a third person called the holy spirit. I think the holy spirit is God working his will. It is God himself not a seperate person. Which COG were you a part of?

    • marcus

      what jesus said was that he would sent ANOTHER comforter, who would teach us all things needed, and he said this was the holy spirit. the HS would guide us in all truth, help us witness to others about the Lord.

      on pentecost this happened and filled the apostles with tongues of fire.

      however we interpret “who” he is, he is present in our lives.

      the focus of the gospels is god the father, and the lord jesus christ, and the message of salvation.

      Cog from tennessee, but I live in NC

    • Hi Marcus,
      Regarding Yeshua (Jesus) being pre-existent….. Have you ever read the below?

      45:1 Parable the second, respecting these who deny the name of the habitation of the holy ones, and of the Lord of spirits.

      2 Heaven they shall not ascend, nor shall they come on the earth. This shall be the portion of sinners, who deny the name of the Lord of spirits, and who are thus reserved for the day of punishment and of affliction.

      3 [God said,] “In that day shall the Elect One sit upon a throne of glory; and shall choose their conditions and countless habitations (while their spirits within them shall be strengthened, when they behold my Elect One), shall choose them for those who have fled for protection to my holy and glorious name.

      4 In that day I will cause my Elect One to dwell in the midst of them; will change the face of heaven; will bless it, and illuminate it for ever.

      5 I will also change the face of the earth; will bless it; and cause those whom I have elected to dwell upon it. But those who have committed sin and iniquity shall not inhabit it, for I have marked their proceedings. My righteous ones will I satisfy with peace, placing them before me; but the condemnation of sinners shall draw near, that I may destroy them from the face of the earth.”

      46:1 There I beheld the Ancient of days, whose head was like white wool, and with him another, whose countenance resembled that of man. His countenance was full of grace, like that of one of the holy angels. Then I inquired of one of the angels, who went with me, and who showed me every secret thing, concerning this Son of man; who he was; whence he was; and why he accompanied the Ancient of days.

      2 He answered and said to me, “This is the Son of man, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; and who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness.

      3 This Son of man, who you see, shall raise up kings and the mighty from their couches, and the powerful from their thrones; shall loosen the bridles of the powerful, and break in pieces the teeth of sinners.

      4 He shall hurl kings from their thrones and their dominions; because they will not exalt and praise him, nor humble themselves before him, by whom their kingdoms were granted to them. The countenance likewise of the mighty shall He cast down, filling them with confusion. Darkness shall be their habitation, and worms shall be their bed; nor from that their bed shall they hope to be again raised, because they exalted not the name of the Lord of spirits.

      5 They shall condemn the stars of heaven, shall lift up their hands against the Most High, shall tread upon and inhabit the earth, exhibiting all their works of iniquity, even their works of iniquity. Their strength shall be in their riches, and their faith in the gods whom they have formed with their own hands. They shall deny the name of the Lord of spirits, and shall expel him from the temples, in which they assemble;

      6 and with him the faithful, who suffer in the name of the Lord of spirits.”

      47:1 In that day the prayer of the holy and the righteous, and the blood of the righteous, shall ascend from the earth into the presence of the Lord of spirits.

      2 In that day shall the holy ones assemble, who dwell above the heavens, and with united voice petition, supplicate, praise, laud, and bless the name of the Lord of spirits, on account of the blood of the righteous which has been shed; that the prayer of the righteous may not be intermitted before the Lord of spirits; that for them he would execute judgment; and that his patience may not endure for ever.

      3 At that time I beheld the Ancient of days, while he sat upon the throne of his glory, while the book of the living was opened in his presence, and while all the powers which were above the heavens stood around and before him.

      4 Then were the hearts of the saints full of joy, because the consummation of righteousness was arrived, the supplication of the saints heard, and the blood of the righteous appreciated by the Lord of spirits.

      48:1 In that place I beheld a fountain of righteousness, which never failed, encircled by many springs of wisdom. Of these all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy.

      2 In that hour was this Son of man invoked before the Lord of spirits, and his name in the presence of the Ancient of days.

      3 Before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of heaven were formed, his name was invoked in the presence of the Lord of spirits. A support shall he be for the righteous and the holy to lean upon, without falling; and he shall be the light of nations.

      4 He shall be the hope of those whose hearts are troubled. All, who dwell on earth, shall fall down and worship before him; shall bless and glorify him, and sing praises to the name of the Lord of spirits.

      5 Therefore the Elect and the Concealed One existed in his presence, before the world was created, and for ever.

      6 In his presence he existed, and has revealed to the saints and to the righteous the wisdom of the Lord of spirits; for he has preserved the lot of the righteous, because they have hated and rejected this world of iniquity, and have detested all its works and ways, in the name of the Lord of spirits.

      7 For in his name shall they be preserved; and his will shall be their life. In those days shall the kings of the earth and the mighty men, who have gained the world by their achievements, become humble in countenance.

      8 For in the day of their anxiety and trouble their souls shall not be saved; and they shall be in subjection to those whom I have chosen.

      9 I will cast them like hay into the fire, and like lead into the water. Thus shall they burn in the presence of the righteous, and sink in the presence of the holy; nor shall a tenth part of them be found.

      10 But in the day of their trouble, the world shall obtain tranquillity.

      11 In his presence shall they fall, and not be raised up again; nor shall there be any one to take them out of his hands, and to lift them up: for they have denied the Lord of spirits, and his Messiah. The name of the Lord of spirits shall be blessed.

      Book of Enoch 45:1 through to 48:11.

      Be Blessed in Yeshua HaMashiach our KING of kings.

  8. Christ is NOT an ANGEL~!

    Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 03:02:15 +0000 To:

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