Which “laws” are now obsolete?

 

grace_faith_law.jpgFor those who believe all the Old Testament laws are obsolete, due to grace, it might be wise to review what the laws actually are.

 

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~ by Marianne on July 17, 2014.

15 Responses to “Which “laws” are now obsolete?”

  1. most of the old testament laws are reasserted in the new testament, moral laws, incest laws, homosexual laws, laying with beasts, no marrying within the extended family to cousin levels, etc.etc.etc. yes these laws are in effect for good reason.

    • hi john

      I put this post here because of the furious debate about law vs grace on another page, God with feet.

      some have a black or white view….it is EITHER the law or grace.

      when grace was not intended as a cut off. of the teachings and laws of the OT….

      some do not understand the OT because they have not read it, and do not realize, like you said, that most of the NT comes from the OT

      • i totally agree again. I was trying to point out that Moses’ Law came about because the people could not come close of being obedient to GOD’s first ten, and today, many are not obedient to either, like the people then as well. Like we know, GOD’s WORD does not change, and Jesus Christ’s WORD as a representative of GOD does not either… and THE WORD IS THE WORD, AND JESUS CHRIST TRIED TO EXPLAIN WHAT PART OF MOSES’ LAW WAS GOD’S WORD AND WHAT PARTS WERE MOSES’ WORD. V/R john

  2. Maryanne…super good points, especially since the ten commandments being broken is worse than the tablet being broken…an look what happened to Moses! Another point is that many through history have broken the first commandment concerning only one GOD ALMIGHTY…many not intentionally, but many intentionally. I now describe myself as a sort of a Unitarian Christian (ONE AND ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER with Jesus Christ as the one and only perfect SON OF GOD (NOT GOD THE SON…IF YOU WILL,,, and of course the Messiah chosen by GOD THE FATHER (like Thomas Jefferson) in lieu of a Trinitarian Christian (which defines Jesus as God (believed to have started in the second century A,D.). Some of the confusion starts with the misinterpretation that “and GOD was the Word” changed to “and the Word was GOD” and the mistake that made them change the Greek to say what the King James & others do; BECAUSE,,,”and GOD was the Word” means that Jesus’ word has the same authority and power as GOD’s word by GOD’s WILL…WHICH IS QUITE CORRECT AND IN AGREEMENT WITH JESUS’ TEACHINGS AS WELL (as reiterated by Saint John)!!! ALSO NOTE THAT JOHN SAID THAT IN HEAVEN (GOD’s HEAVEN #1- SPIRITUAL) THAT THERE WERE THREE TESTIMONIES OR WITNESSES THAT JESUS WAS SON OF GOD:- FATHER, Word, HOLY SPIRIT and the same are as one, WHILE ON EARTH (fleshly heaven #2) THERE WERE THREE: Spirit, water and blood and the same were likewise as one; for in HEAVEN #1, THE FATHER IS THE ONLY GOD, THE Water IS GOD’S WORD…the WORD made Flesh- Jesus…and Jesus’ Word (HAVING THE AUTHORITY and POWER OF GOD’s OWN WORD BY THE WILL OF GOD (THE ONE AND ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER) AND ALSO GOD’s ENDLESS RIVERS & SPRINGS OF LIVING water FROM WHICH SPIRITUAL HOLY BLESSINGS FLOW FORTH. THE SPIRIT TESTIFIES THAT CHRIST IS TRUTH AND THAT JESUS CHRIST came BOTH in water and in blood, therefore, ON EARTH, HEAVEN #2, YOU HAVE …JESUS CHRIST (SON OF GOD) REPRESENTING THE THREE IN HEAVEN #1 (AS MENTIONED) BY THE WILL OF THE FATHER- THE ONE AND ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER. SO…READ ON AND GUESS WHO IS IN HEAVEN #3…GOD AND KING JESUS EACH WITH A THRONE THERE. SELAH!!! SO I BELIEVE IN GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER , KING JESUS AND…QUEEN MARY (WITH THE CROWN WITH TWELVE STARS-SPIRITS with a mission to crush satan’s head with HER heel-the churches )…the woman and the boy of Genesus. SO, IN SUMMARY, IN HEAVEN #1 YOU HAVE GOD THE FATHER AS THE ONE AND ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER, AND ON EARTH HEAVEN #2 YOU HAVE JESUS CHRIST AS THE ONE AND ONLY SON OF GOD WITH AUTHORITY & WORD GRANTED HIM BY THE FATHER’s-GOD’s OWN WILL (i.e. THE ONE & ONLY OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE OF GOD)…SELAH!!! Sorry Maryanne for being so lengty…but when I start, I can not stop until the message is as clear & complete as I can be at the time. Luv Ya,,,john

    • john

      I understand your viewpoint.

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/jesus-and-his-relationship-with-the-father-god/

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/which-word-is-which/

    • john c ; just wondering; how do you come up with mary as being part of the trinity in heaven? we have god the father, jesus setting on the right hand of god, jesus is the only intercessor, and the holy ghost (holy spirit) to add mary would make 4. your thoughts?

      • that part is strange. he must be catholic?

        I agree about the father and son, but not mary

        • i think that is obvious. i hope this does not go into one of those debates of mary being the mother of god. yes she was the person god picked out, but that was all. praying to saints will not get your prayers answered.

      • Hi…to clarify I believe in ONE GOD (THE ONE AND ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER),and KING JESUS, AND QUEEN MARY (AS THE ONLY TRUE PERFECT SON AND DAUGHTER OF GOD, WITH THE MISSIONS TO WHICH GOD HAS CHOSEN FOR THEM – CHOSEN IN SPIRITUAL HEAVEN BEFORE THE WORLD WAS- WHICH IS UNITARIAN AND NOT TRINITARIAN AT ALL. i.e. JESUS AND MARY ARE NOT GOD’s NOR PART OF BRAKING GOD INTO PARTS. GOD IS THAT HE IS, JESUS IS THAT HE IS AND MARY IS THE SHE IS, BY THE WILL OF THE ONE GOD THE FATHER. PART OF THEIR IDENTITY IS THEN- THE WOMAN AND THE BOY (HER SON). GOD MENTIONS THIS TO SATAN AND SAINT JOHN PER JESUS IN REVELATIONS (THE APOCALYPSE); AND SINCE THEY ARE THAT THEY ARE…THEY EXIST AND THAT’S ALL WE NEED TO KNOW. BY THIS REFERENCE I DO NOT MAKE ANYONE OR THING ON A LEVEL WITH GOD, AND STAY OBEDIENT TO THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD CONCERNING JUST THAT- HAVE NO OTHER GOD’s. SO, QUEEN MARY WILL BE THE ONE AT THE WEDDING FEIST IN THIRD HEAVEN THAT GIVES THE BRIDE OFFICIALLY TO HER SON JESUS, AND GOD THE FATHER WILL GIVE JESUS THE GIFT OF NEW JERUSALEM AT THE WEDDING FEIST, AND CROWN JESUS OFFICIALLY KING FOREVER. THIS REFERENCE ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THE ARMY OF THE CHURCHES, THE ARMY OF THE SPECIAL MARTYRS, SAINTS, ETC, AND THE ARMY OF SONS OF GOD- GOD’s CHOSEN 144,000, WHICH I REFER TO AS THE 37TH (QUEEN MARY’S), 27TH (KING JESUS’) AND 17TH (GOD’s SPECIAL CHOSEN), RESPECTIVELY, ALL OF WHICH GOD HAS ASSIGNED KING JESUS TO LEAD. THIS IS THE WAY I DO NOT CONFUSE MY SELF…JUST OTHERS I GUESS, BUT NOT INTENTIONALLY, AND THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN LED TO DO, AT LEAST FOR MYSELF. GOD BLESSES…V/R john

        Also note that other religions think all Christians believe GOD is Jesus Christ or vice-versa – I certainly do not. I put GOD on GOD’s level…GOD.

        • john

          I enjoy your zeal, but the status given Mary is not supported by scripture. She is a saint, just like John the baptist, and St Joseph.

          • Marianne, I understand your position also., while Mine is not shared by hardly anyone. All I can say is that if you read about the woman & boy in Genesis, then you read in the Apocalypse how satan sought the woman first. Then read about the woman with the crown with twelve stars (which I interpret to be the spirits of the apostles, and which satan sought third per St, John’s account as told to him by Jesus). Then you read where Jesus called his mother woman many times in public. Then you know the boy (Jesus) was in heaven #1 before the world was and helped GOD with the creation of the whole heaven #2 and everything in it- again by St. John. Then you know that all your weight is put on your heel- especially when crushing snake heads (and consider a Queen with a crown with the twelve stars to do so to satan in lieu of a woman without a crown). Then if you believe that there are both sons and daughters of GOD, that the woman was with the boy in Heaven #1, and consider that Mary was the pure sinless mother of Jesus, and the the Word became flesh in Heaven @#1 first, and believe that the woman not only had the mission of crushing satan’s head, but suffered more than the Apostles… then you know that women of the time and even today took a backseat to all men by man, etc.—and eat Spiritual Food… and then interpret the remainder of the woman with the crowns’ description and what it means…and after many years your relationship with GOD and his own develops…you can see how the scriptures are very supportive of it and much more…like the wedding feast, third heaven, etc. Then after many years of rejoicing a step at a time …you start praising GOD OUR FATHER,,,KING JESUS… AND QUEEN MARY, AND SAYING FATHER THY WILL ALWAYS, AND SAYING SELAH IN LIEU OF AMEN, AND TRADE HOPE FOR ASSURANCE…ETC. SELAH!!!
            I must add, that through many hours of prayer & study, you must choose or answer meanings of scripture that may be debatable, etc, like you do, and many other Godly people, and understand it, such that it also fits into and blends into other scriptures-like YOU do…and be able to choose between multiple & many times conflicting interpretations…and pray to GOD to help you continuously in the process and know when you are correct through the blessings GOD gives you for it…and etc again. GOD BLESSES US ALL!

            V/R …YOUR FRIEND john

            • the woman in revelation 12 is a toss up. it could be the church, mary, or israel….. but that would not make mary “queen.” she is a saint….but should not be exalted to the point of being “co-Redeemer with christ” where he is king, and she is queen.

  3. When talking of salvation, all laws are completed by Christ. That means God’s grace and Christ’s sacrifice give me hope of forgiveness. I plead the Blood. Now, the only sin that will not be forgiven is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. If you live by one law, you must live by them all. Love your neighbor….covers moral behavior.

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  4. HI… JUST TO JOIN IN… YOU NEED THE BLOOD AND THE WATER AND THE SPIRIT. GOD LEADS US TO JESUS…THEN AFTER FORGIVENESS IS RECEIVED, JESUS LEADS US BACK TO GOD. IF WE GET OUT OF GOD’s WILL…IT’S BACK TO JESUS AGAIN. THIS IS AN NEVER ENDING CYCLE UNTIL WE DO NOT SIN SUCH THAT WE ARE NOT IN THE FATHER’s WILL, WHICH ALSO IS QUITE ANOTHER CYCLE. BASICALLY, WHEN YOU GET OUT OF THE FATHER’s WILL…GOD WILL NOT HEAR YOU MUCH LESS GIVE YOU GRACE UNTIL YOU GET BACK INTO HIS WILL VIA JESUS. V/R john

  5. There are statutes, judgements and ordinances.
    It was the ‘ blood ‘ ordinances that was done away with.
    example: circumcision, sacrificing of animals

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