An in-depth study on the Second Trumpet Judgment of Revelation 8 by John Ashcraft



     Since the book of Revelation can be taken either being literal or figuratively, then the symbols will be gathered from E-sword dictionaries and commentaries using the words of the interpreters such as fire meaning war.

   The first four shofar/trumpet judgments affect nature directly and people indirectly (compare Mat_24:4-8) and resemble the plagues of Egypt (see Psa_105:29, Psa_105:32), while the last three plagues (Rev_8:13) affect people directly (compare Mat_24:13-22).

    The idea that the End-Time plagues will recapitulate those of Egypt can be found in the Midrash Rabbah:

   " ‘Behold, tomorrow about this time I will cause it to rain a very grievous hail such as has not been in Egypt from the day it was founded until now’ (Exo_9:18)…. However, there will be one like it in the time to come. When? In the days of Gog and Magog, as it is written, … ‘A torrential rain, and great hailstones, fire and sulfur’ (Eze_38:2, Eze_38:22)." (Exodus Rabbah 12:2)

Compare at Revelation 11:19, 16:21, 20:7.

    Consider the function of the Egyptian plagues. The well-known song, "Dayenu" ([It would have been] "Enough for us"), from the Passover Haggadah, says that God through the plagues judged both the Egyptians and their gods (compare Rev_9:20). He did this by turning against the Egyptians the very things they worshipped. They worshipped the Nile River; it became blood. They worshipped beetles (scarabs); they got lice and locusts. They worshipped frogs and found them in bed. They worshipped the weather and had their crops destroyed by hail.

    If these verses in Revelation are to be understood literally, then, since God uses nature to accomplish his purposes, one can imagine asteroids plunging into the earth, other materials from outer space darkening the skies and infecting the water, and heat flashes setting fire to the vegetation; and one can seek scientific explanations for such phenomena. But if these are graphic but figurative ways of describing God’s judgment and the terror it will evoke, such speculations and researches are irrelevant. There are intelligent, well-informed, God-fearing New Testament scholars taking each approach.

Rev 8:8.  And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain (Jer 51:25) burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

and as: Jer_51:25; Mar_11:23; burning: Amo_7:4

the third: Rev_8:7, Rev_16:3-21; Exo_7:17-21; Eze_14:9

    The word mountain can refer to a group of people such as a kingdom (Jer_51:25, Jer_51:27, Jer_51:30, Jer_51:58); an asteroid or comet; a volcanic eruption; or things representing authority (Matt. 17:20) such as a government. “The stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth,” Daniel 2:35. Compare Zechariah 4:7; Jeremiah 51:25.

    "Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do what is done to the fig tree, but even if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou taken up and cast into the sea, it shall be done" (Mat 21:21). In so speaking, our Lord had followed the language of the prophets, who were accustomed to illustrate by the thought of the removal of mountains the greatest acts of Divine power: "What art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain;" "Therefore will we not fear, though the mountains be carried into the midst of the seas" (Zec_4:7; Psa_46:2).

    Even the figure of a "burnt mountain" is not strange to the Old Testament, for the prophet Jeremiah thus denounces woe on Babylon: "Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the Lord, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out Mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and make thee a burnt mountain."* (Jer_51:25)


USA and North America is called Babylon the Great.

America (end times Babylon, (Babylon the Great(JA)) destroyed in a nuclear holocaust. (Rev 17:16-18:24) 2016. Some call this "fire" in dreams.

Rome was built on 7 mountains (Zech 4:10). It was destroyed in 410 CE by Alaricus, king of the West Goths.  By some writers, Rome was considered to be Babylon the Great.


Melted Psa_97:5; Deu_4:11; Deu_5:23; Jdg_5:5; Isa_64:1-3; Mic_1:4; Nah_1:5; Overturning and removing of Job_9:5; Job_14:18; Job_28:9; Eze_38:20


Burning mountains: See Volcano

General references for Volcanoes: Deu_4:11; Deu_5:23; Jdg_5:5; Psa_97:5; Psa_104:32; Psa_144:5; Isa_34:9-10; Isa_64:1-3; Jer_51:25; Mic_1:4; Nah_1:5-6; Ezek 38:22

Causes, to smoke Psa_104:32; Psa_144:5; Sets the foundations of, on fire Deu_32:22; Makes waste Isa_42:15; Causes, to tremble Nah_1:5; Hab_3:10; Causes, to skip Psa_114:4; Psa_114:6; Causes, to melt Jdg_5:5; Psa_97:5; Isa_64:1; Isa_64:3; Removes Job_9:5; Overturns Job_9:5; Job_28:9; ScattersHab_3:6; (Burning,) of destructive enemies Jer_51:25; Rev_8:8

Volcanic Eruptions

Volcanic eruption coming out of the ocean. Like Enoch 18:13. And in the columns of heaven I beheld fires, which descended without number, but neither on high, nor into the deep. Over these fountains also I perceived a place which had neither the firmament of heaven above it, nor the solid ground underneath it; neither was there water above it, nor anything on wing; but the spot was desolate.  

   There could be a great volcanic eruption like that of Vesuvius in a.d. 79. Strabo tells of an eruption b.c. 196 which made a new island (Palaea Kaumene).

Mount Krakatoa

     On August 27,1883, (Month 6, Day 2) the 2,623-foot mountain Krakatoa in the Sunda strait of Indonesia literally exploded, burned up completely, and was cast into the sea, the waters where the mountain stood having been 1,000 feet deep ever since. Following this event, atmospheric waves girdled the earth seven times; tidal waves are thought to have destroyed a million lives; some tidal waves reached England, more than 11,000 miles away; and the explosion was actually heard at Bangkok at a distance of 3,000 miles! Thus, within the memory of a few people who have just died, we still have the evidence that the trumpet of God still sounds above the waters of the sea.

** note Began August 11, then increased until the 26th and then exploded heavily on August 27th. Steve Quayle 8/12/2016; This EQ is important due to its proximity to Krakatoa, which violently exploded in 1883, changing the weather dramatically in the Western Hemisphere. Steve Quayle 8/12/2016. Time to watch this area.

Mount Tambora

On July 31st, 2016 there was a 5.8 magnitude Earthquake seven miles away from the Mount Tambora. The Stratovolcano known as Mount Tambora is still active. Its most recent eruption was in 1967. The volcano looms over the Java Sea from the northern shore of the island of Sumbawa, which lies towards the eastern end of the former Dutch East Indies, now Indonesia. Every now and again Mount Tambora erupts. Its 1815 explosion was possibly the most destructive ever recorded. The last eruption at Tambora caused serious consequences for climate and the fertility of the land over much of the world, as global temperatures dropped causing what is widely known as The Year Without A Summer.
Stay At The Ready…

201 years ago.

    In 1812, Mount Tambor entered a period of high activity, with its climatic eruption being the catastrophic explosive event of April 1815.

    The dust from Mount Tambora, which had erupted in early April 1815, had shrouded the globe. And with sunlight blocked, 1816 did not have a normal summer.

    On April 5, 1815, the volcano began to erupt. British traders and explorers in that part of the world heard the sound and at first thought it to be the firing of cannon. There was a fear that a battle of at sea was being fought nearby.  Month 1, Day 4

    On the evening of April 10, 1815, the eruptions intensified. And a massive major eruption began to blow the volcano apart. Viewed from a settlement about 15 miles to the east, it seemed that three columns of flames shot into the sky.  Rosh Chodesh 2, Day 4.

Mount Tambora is still active. Minor lava domes and flows have been extruded on the caldera floor during the 19th and 20th centuries. The last eruption was recorded in 1967 (Jubilee Year). However, it was a very small, non-explosive eruption (VEI = 0).


    According to the effects from Nibiru, there will be an increase in volcanic eruptions around the globe.



   Due to the binary star system, there will be an increase of fires and  will effect  or help to cause some of the Trumpet Judgments to occur (Isa 34:9; 37:7; Isa 25:4; Ps 46:6,8; 2 Sam 16:14-16; 1-4 Trumpet judgments Rev  8; Ezek 38:22; 2 Peter 3:10; Isa 30:30; Rev 16:8-9); Nah 1:5 (burned)

Fire can refer to the tail of the Asteroid, war, plagues.

    Fire is represented as the symbol of Jehovah’s presence and the instrument of his power, in the way either of approval or of destruction. Exo_3:2; Exo_14:19; Num_11:1, Num_11:3; Jdg_13:20; 1Ki_18:38; 2Ki_1:10, 2Ki_1:12; 2Ki_2:11; Isa_6:4; Eze_1:4; Rev_1:14, etc.).

    Used as a signal in war Jer_6:1   Display of: In the plagues of Egypt Exo_9:24

     Figurative of Judgments: Deu_4:24; Deu_32:22; Isa_33:14; Jer_23:29; Amo_1:4; Amo_1:7; Amo_1:10; Amo_1:12; Amo_1:14; Amo_2:2; Mal_3:2; Luk_12:49; Rev_20:9; Jer_48:45; Lam_1:13; Eze_39:6

Of the destruction of the wicked Mat_13:42; Mat_13:50; Mat_25:41; Mar_9:44; Rev_9:2; Rev_21:8 ; Frequently employed as an instrument of divine vengeance Psa_97:3; Isa_47:14; Isa_66:16;

Characterized of: Consuming Jdg_15:4; Jdg_15:5; Psa_46:9; Isa_10:16; Isa_10:17; Melting Psa_68:2; Isa_64:2; Purifying Num_31:23; 1Pe_1:7; Rev_3:18


Burning coals Pro_26:21; Flame Son_8:6; Isa_66:15; Sparks Job_18:5; Isa_1:31; Ashes 1Ki_13:3; 2Pe_2:6; Smoke Isa_34:10; Joe_2:30

    Fire was a frequent instrument of the Divine primitive wrath (Gen_19:24; Exo_9:23 (lightning); Num_11:1; Num_16:35, etc.; Psa_104:4, the American Standard Revised Version “Who maketh … flames of fire his ministers”). Fire shall yet dissolve the world (2Pe_3:12).


Sea can refer to a multitude of people, nations, and tongues (Rev_17:15) or the ocean (Psa_46:2).

"The gathering of the waters," "the Ocean." Gen_1:2; Gen_1:10; Gen_30:13; etc.


   Of heavy afflictions Isa_43:2; Lam_2:13; (Trouble,) of the wicked Isa_57:20; (Roaring,) of hostile armies Isa_5:30; Jer_6:23; (Waves of,) of devastating armies Eze_26:3; Eze_26:4; (Waves of,) of the unsteady Jam_1:6; (Covered with waters,) of the diffusion of spiritual knowledge over the earth in the latter days Isa_11:9; Hab_2:14; Waters of Egypt turned into, as a judgment Exo_7:17-21;

Of destruction Eze_35:6; Of judgments Eze_16:38; Rev_16:6


     In Daniel’s vision Dan_7:2-3

     In John’s apocalyptic vision Rev_4:6; Rev_8:8-9; Rev_10:2; Rev_10:5-6; Rev_10:8; Rev_13:1; Rev_15:2; Rev_16:3; Rev_21:1

The word “sea” is used symbolically in Isa_60:5, where it probably means the nations around the Mediterranean. In Dan_7:3, Rev_13:1 it may mean the tumultuous changes among the nations of the earth.

“When Rabbi Akiba prayed, wept, rent his garments, put of his shoes, and sat in the dust, the world was struck with a curse; and then the third part of the olives, the third part of the wheat, and the third part of the barley, was smitten “Rab. Mardochaeus, in Notitia Karaeorum, p. 102.

The plagues of Egypt, too, are again taken advantage of by the Seer, for in the first of these Moses "lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river; . . . and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. And the fish that was in the river died; and the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink of the water of the river; and there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt."* Here, however, the plague is extended, embracing as it does not only the river of Egypt, but the sea, with all the ships that sail upon it, and all its fish. Again also, as before, the "third part" is not to be thought of as confined to one region of the ocean, while the remaining two-thirds are left untouched. It is to be sought everywhere over the whole compass of the deep. (Exo_8:20-21)



    Reminding of the first plague in Egypt (Exo_7:20, Exo_7:21). Blood used metaphorically to denote race (Act_17:26), and as a symbol of slaughter (Isa_34:3). To “wash the feet in blood” means to gain a great victory (Psa_58:10). For atonement Exo_30:10; Lev_17:11; For purification Heb_9:13; Heb_9:19-22.

Rev 8:9.  And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships (Isa 2:16) were destroyed.

    This judgment is undoubtedly a giant meteor/comet/asteroid falling into the sea by what some experts believe. Notice the phrase, as it were a mountain. This, again, is a symbolic description. Always take every word of the Bible literally unless God tells you to take it figuratively. This passage is an example of the latter. Something gigantic, as or like a mountain, is cast into the sea and causes a third part of the sea to become blood. A similar occurrence was experienced in Moses’ day: And the Lord spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and stretch out thine hand upon the waters of Egypt, upon their streams, upon their rivers, and upon their ponds, and upon all their pools of water, that they may become blood; and that there may be blood throughout all the land of Egypt, both in vessels of wood, and in vessels of stone. And Moses and Aaron did so, as the Lord commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. And the fish that in the river died (Exodus 7:19-21).

By the commentators, there are three views going on.

1) The popular view is that a kingdom or group of people (Islam, ISIS) will plague 1/3rd of the Sea (multitudes of the people) which would be the Middle East, Europe, and northern Africa which is presently going on. “The stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth,” Daniel 2:35. Compare Zechariah 4:7; Jeremiah 51:25.

2) An asteroid or meteor will strike the ocean (more likely the Pacific) since it is already destroyed of life from Fukashimi accident (nuclear accident) caused by an earthquake on the Japanese mainland island.

3) Volcanic eruption coming out of the ocean. Like Enoch 18:13. And in the columns of heaven I beheld fires, which descended without number, but neither on high, nor into the deep. Over these fountains also I perceived a place which had neither the firmament of heaven above it, nor the solid ground underneath it; neither was there water above it, nor anything on wing; but the spot was desolate.  

     There could be a great volcanic eruption like that of Vesuvius in a.d. 79. Strabo tells of an eruption b.c. 196 which made a new island (Palaea Kaumene).

    It may be Mount Etna on the island of Sicily which vulcanologists say is ready to blow its top, like Mt. St. Helens. Many scholars feel that the sea on which this judgment falls is the Mediterranean.


133 Responses to “An in-depth study on the Second Trumpet Judgment of Revelation 8 by John Ashcraft”

  1. How can you say USA is Babylon the great???
    Its a blasphemy religious system.
    Its NOT the USA!

    • TM

      that is just the author’s opinion

    • Rev 16:19. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
      Babylon the Great was split into three parts, that is, destroyed, as detailed in the next two chapters. The judgment imagery is taken from the Prophets; see 14:14-20N.
      Her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. Compare Jeremiah 25:15, 25:26-31.
      Nimrod and Astoroth and Baal, Sheshach, Shach means Babylon andd was Ishtar (Diana of Ephasis of Mecca);

      1. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6).
      2. Babylon would have a huge seaport city within its borders (Rev 18:17).
      3. The Great City Babylon is the home of a world government attempt (Rev 17:18).
      4. The Great City Babylon would be the economic nerve center of the world (Rev 18:3).
      5. Babylon would be the center of a one world Luciferian religious movement (Jer 51:44).
      6. Babylon would be the center for the move to a global economic order (Rev 13:16).
      1. Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations (Jer 50:12).
      2. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7; Rev 18:7).
      3. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47, Jer 50, 51, Rev 18).
      4. Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; Rev 18:23).
      5. Babylon is called a lady, and has the symbol of the Lady (Isa 47:7-9).
      6. Babylon would be the praise of the WHOLE EARTH (Jer 51:41).
      7. Babylon is center of world trade (Jer 51:44; Rev 17:18; 18:19).
      8. Babylon would grow to be the richest nation in the world (Rev 18:3, 7, 19, 23).
      9. All nations that traded with Babylon would grow rich (Rev 18:3).
      10. The merchants of Babylon were the GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH (Rev 18:23).
      11. Babylon is a huge nation, with lands, cities, and great wealth (implied throughout).
      12. Babylon is nation “peeled”, or timbered, a land of open fields (Isa 18:2).
      13. Babylon is land quartered by mighty rivers (Isa 18:2).
      14. Babylon is a land that is measured out, and populated throughout (Isa 18:2).
      15. Babylon destroys her own land, with pollution and waste (Isa 14:20, 18:2, 7).
      16. Babylon is a land rich in mineral wealth (Jer 51:13).
      17. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world (Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).
      18. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 18).
      19. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world.(Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).
      20. Babylon is a nation filled with warehouses and granaries (Jer 50:26).
      21. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).
      22. Babylon is noted for her horses (Jer 50:37).
      23. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock (Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18:13).
      24. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations (Rev 18:13).
      25. Babylon is a nation of farmers and harvests huge crops (Jer 50:16, 26, 27).
      26. Babylon is a huge exporter of MUSIC (Rev 18:22).
      27. Babylon’s musicians are known around the world (Rev 18:22)
      28. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10).
      29. Babylon’s skies are filled with the whisper of aircraft wings (Isa 18:1; Jer 51:53).
      30. Babylon has a huge space industry, has “mounted up to the heavens” (Jer 51:53).
      31. Babylon fortifies her skies with a huge military aviation program (Jer 51:53).
      32. Babylon is portrayed as a leading in high tech weapons and abilities (Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10; implied throughout).
      33. Babylon is a nation filled with warm water seaports (Rev 18:17-19).
      34. Babylon is a coastal nation and sits upon MANY WATERS (Jer 51:13).
      35. Babylon trades with all who have ships in the sea year round (Rev 18:17-18).
      36. Babylon is nation filled with a “mingled” people (Jer 50:37).
      37. Babylon is a SINGULAR NATION founded upon OUT OF MANY, ONE (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51, Hab 1).
      38. Babylon is a REPUBLIC or a DEMOCRACY, it is ruled by many counsels (Isa 47:13).
      39. Babylon’s governmental system breaks down (Isa 47:13).
      40. Babylon is bogged down with deliberations and cannot govern properly (Isa 47:13).
      41. Babylon’s leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2).
      42. Babylon labored in the occult from her very inception (Isa 47:12).
      43. Babylon falls to the occult just before her end by nuclear fire (Rev 18:2)
      44. Babylon was born as a CHRISTIAN NATION (Jer 50:12).
      45. Babylon turns upon its heritage and destroys it all in the end (Jer 50:11).
      46. Babylon’s Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; implied Rev 18:2).
      47. Babylon’s Christian leaders are “strangers” in the Lord Houses of Worship (Jer 51:51).
      48. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism (Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2).
      49. Babylon becomes the home of all antichrist religions in the world (Rev 18:2).
      50. Babylon is a nation of religious confusion (Isa 47:12-13).
      51. Babylon turns upon its own people and imprisons and slays them by millions (Jer 50:7,33; 51:35; 39; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7; 17:6; 18:24).
      52. Babylon sets of detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24).
      53. Babylon has a mother nation that remains in existence from her birth to death (Jer 50: 12).
      54. The mother of Babylon has the symbol of the LION (Dan7:4; Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38; Psalms 17:12).
      55. The mother of Babylon will rule over her daughter her entire life (Dan 7:4; Jer 50:12).
      56. The mother of Babylon will be a state of major decline as the end nears (Jer 50:12).
      57. Babylon is considered to be a lion’s whelp (Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38).
      58. Babylon will have the symbol of the EAGLE and builds her nest in the stars (Dan 7:4 EAGLE WINGS; Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53).
      59. Babylon turns totally antichrist and is the leading antichrist power at the end (Rev 18:2; Isa 14:4-6).
      60. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST (Isa 14:4-6).
      61. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).
      62. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY (Isa 14; Hab 2, Rev 13, 17, 18).
      63. This world entity will be a diverse entity, different than all other ruling bodies of the world (Dan 7:7, 23).
      64. This entity will be a TREATY POWER ENTITY (Dan 7:7, 23 DIVERSE).
      65. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13, 17).
      66. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles (Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13).
      67. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, experts in their trade (Jer 50, 51, Rev 18:22).
      68. Babylon is noted for her jewelry of gold and silver (Rev 18:22).
      69. Babylon is a huge importer and exporter of spices (Rev 18:13).
      70. Babylon is a huge exporter of fine marble products (Rev 18:22).
      71. Babylon is noted for her iron and steel production (Rev 18:12).
      72. Babylon has huge corporations that have bases around the world (Rev 18:23, implied throughout)
      73. Babylon is a nation of higher education and learning (Isa 47:10, implied throughout).
      74. Babylon is a nation with a GREAT VOICE in world affairs (Jer 51:55)
      75. Babylon is a VIRGIN NATION, untouched by major war (Isa 47:1).
      76. Babylon has a vast military machine (Jer 50:36; 51:30; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13:4).
      77. Babylon will be instrumental in the setting up of Israel in the Middle East, and is the home of God’s people (Jer 50:47; 51:45).
      78. Babylon will have a major enemy to her north (Jer 50:3, 9, 41).
      79. Babylon’s enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world, over the poles (Isa 13:5)
      80. The enemy of Babylon will be a FEDERAL OF NATIONS (Jer 50:9).
      81. The enemy of Babylon will be largely Moslem in make-up (Jer 50:17; Rev 17:16; Psalms 83:5-12).
      82. The enemy of Babylon will have nuclear missiles capable of reaching Babylon (Jer 50:9, 14,; Rev 18:8, 18).
      83. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty (Isa 13, 14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 18).
      84. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50:9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout).
      85. The enemy of Babylon will come into Babylon unnoticed (Isa 47:11, Jer 50:24; 51:2, 14).
      86. Babylon will be filled with her enemies brought in under the guise of peace (Dan 11:21).
      87. Babylon will have all of her borders cut off, and there will be no way of
      escape (Jer 50:28; 51:32).
      88. Babylon will be destroyed by nuclear fire (Implied throughout)
      89. Babylon is land vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout).
      90. Babylon will have been a huge missionary nation for Jesus Christ (Jer 50:11; 51:7).
      91. Babylon would be a home to multitudes of Jews who leave (Jer 50:4-6, 8; 51:6, 45)
      92. The people of Babylon would not know their true identity (Jer 50:6, implied throughout).
      93. The people of Babylon would think they are God’s elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8, Rev 18:7).
      94. The people of Babylon would enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (Rev 18:7).
      95. The people of Babylon would grow mad upon their idols (Jer 50:2, 38; Hab 2:18).
      96. The people of Babylon would go into deep sins of all kinds (Rev 18:5).
      97. The nation Babylon dwells carelessly before the Lord (Isa 47:8).
      98. Babylon becomes proud, haughty, and does not consider her end (Isa 47:7-8).
      99. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and drugs (Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23)

      • Hello Marianne! Long time no read. Hope all is well with you.

        Regarding the book of Revelation, most of the time referencing the OT is not required to understand what the prophesies of Revelation are saying. Many make the mistake of thinking that Revelation is all symbolic. While there is obvious symbolism in this book, the correct way to read it is:

        “If the literal sense makes good sense, then don’t seek any other sense.”

        The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments is how God is going to carry out his long prophesied wrath, also known as “the day of the Lord” and “The hour of trial.” I believe that the prophecy of Zephaniah demonstrates a literal decimation of the inhabitants of the earth and Dan.2 the dismantling of all human government, which is what the seals, trumpets and bowls will accomplish.


        “I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth, When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth, declares the Lord.
        I will sweep away both man and beast; I will sweep away the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea—and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble. When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth,”

        “I will make man scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir.” (Isa.13:12)


        Regarding this time of unprecedented wrath, Jesus said:

        “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. “Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

        This would demonstrate that this coming wrath will be even more destructive than the flood of Noah’s time. In my opinion, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments should be taken in the literal sense, for this is how God is going to carry out his wrath. That being said, this is how I see the 2nd trumpet.

        “The second angel sounded, and something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood, and a third of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died; and a third of the ships were destroyed.”

        There are many who claim that this is speaking about a volcano, but I believe that what John saw in his vision was possibly and asteroid coming through the atmosphere, which would be burning due to it coming through the atmosphere. As it hits that body of water, depending on its size and speed, will most likely generate giant Tsunami”s that could be 1500 to 3000 ft. high. With waves of this magnitude and energy, no creature in the ocean could survive, regardless of the depth of the water. Likewise, every ship, submarine and pleasure craft would be destroyed in that body of water. Something else that we must read between the lines on here, is to take into consideration of the coastal cites, towns and villages that will also be completely destroyed for 50 to 200 miles inland on every shore of that body of water.

        There are only two places in Revelation that give a percentage of fatalities, which is the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet. With just these two alone the fatalities would equal 4.5 billion people and that is not including the fatalities as a result of trumpets 1 thru 3 nor the bowl judgments.

        Regarding the sea being turned blood red, since this is specifically not the purpose of this judgment, I believe that what John saw may be a result of the object that hits the sea, or possible sediment coming up from the bottom of the ocean that has never seen the light of day. But I don’t believe that it is literal blood that John saw, but just looked like the color of blood. This would be in contrast to the 2nd and 3rd bowl judgments, which will definitely be literal blood.

        When one understands the severity and magnitude of God’s coming wrath, it lends understanding as to why the Lord is going to come and gather his church prior to the outpouring of his wrath.

        • dj

          I think it could be either asteroid or volvano

          (this is john’s post)

          the “blood” could be due to human deaths from the event

          the pacific ocean is already “dead” from radiation

        • oops!!!


          I said “DJ” instead of “dmcal”

          just trying to get through my first cup of coffee!!!

          • lol.

            I’ll reply.

            The Pacific is dying.

            Here’s a “millstone” waiting to be put into the sea (ocean).

            Scientific details wirhin this article:

            “Geological evidence suggests that during a future eruption, Cumbre Vieja Volcano on the Island of La Palma may experience a catastrophic failure of its west flank, dropping 150 to 500 km3 of rock [millstone] into the sea [ocean].

            Using a geologically reasonable estimate of landslide motion, we model tsunami waves produced by such a collapse. Waves generated by the run-out of a 500 km3 (150 km3) slide block at 100 m/s [over 500 mph] could transit the entire Atlantic Basin and arrive on the coasts of the Americas with waives of [30-70 ft in ] height.”


          • Good Morning Marianne and Happy Sabbath!. Just a thought. Coffee is not a good idea (unless you need the caffeine to stop a headache.) Most people do not know that it is also harmful to our teeth besides being addictive. Some religions are historically against its consumption including the Seventh Day Adventists and the LDS. Pray to find something else.

        • Hello dmcal52,

          This unfortunately, is probably going to be way too long.

          However, I came upon this site while in the process of researching an entirely unrelated topic and happened to read your post, and I am hoping, since the discussion matter “is the Word of God”, that you’re are willing to consider an opposing point of view?

          You say, Quote:
          “If the literal sense makes sense, then don’t seek any other sense.”
          End Quote.

          Then you make the following statement, as somehow consisting of established fact, rather than that of opinion, or how you may personally interpret certain passages of scripture.

          “The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments is how God is going to carry out his long prophesied wrath, also known as “the day of the Lord” and “the hour of trial.”
          End Quote:

          I will withhold any comments regarding the, “seals, trumpets and bowl judgments” and will instead address, the “literal” characteristics of “the day of the Lord” and “the hour of trial” which you associate as being “one in the same”.

          First, I will agree with you fully that what is referred to within the Bible, and mentioned hundreds of times as, “The day of the Lord”, is indeed the demonstration of God The Fathers “wrath”.

          In context, this “wrath” would be God The Fathers “justified death sentence” upon those that remain on earth in the end times.
          Those that have not accepted Jesus as their Saviour, and have not repented, and those that have accepted the “mark of the beast”.

          With God The Father being “Just”, would He dole out this “death sentence” prior to a “trial”?

          Now, regarding “the hour of trial” which you correlate as being one and the same with “wrath”.
          The only possible verse that I can see, that could be translated and contain that particular phrase, would be Revelation 3:10..

          As opposed to “The day of the Lord” being mentioned hundreds of times, this particular phrase, “the hour of trial”, is mentioned only once, and it would be referring to a reward, or prize to the Church of Philadelphia that they will be kept from, for a job well done.

          I will provide the verse below from the KJV so we can take a closer look at it.
          “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of “temptation”, which shall come upon all the world, to “try” them that dwell upon the earth.”

          Now I have placed two words above in bold type, (though I’m not sure if that will translate accurately on this site), so I have also placed these two words in quotations.

          The word that has been translated in your Bible as “trial”, would be the word “temptation” within the verse above.
          It is derived from the Greek masculine noun, πειρασμοῦ or peirasmos.

          Peirasmos, in context to its utilization within the verse, would be defined as “an experiment, trial, proving, a temptation (i.e., a trial) of God for man, and the trial of man’s fidelity, integrity, and constancy, regarding adversity, affliction, trouble, sent by God to serve as a test to prove one’s character, faith, holiness.”

          The other word that I placed in bold type and quotations, is the word “try” above.
          It is derived from the Greek verb “πειράσαι” or peirazō.
          The above “peirasmos” (temptation) is derived from its root word “peirazō”, (try).

          Therefore, “what” the Church of Philadelphia will be spared from, (temptation and trial), must be relevant to “what” will come upon all the world, to “try” them.

          Consequently then, the definitions of peirazō, share and express the same meaning, to “to try, make trial of, test: for the purpose of ascertaining man’s quality, how he will behave himself, and, of God: to inflict evils upon man in order to prove his character and the steadfastness of his faith.”

          Now “wrath” in respects to “God’s end time Wrath” or “The day of the Lord” is derived from either the Greek masculine noun θυμοῦ or thymos; (re; Revelation 14:10., 14:19., 15:1., 15:7., 16:1. (where all are translated as “wrath”), and where 16:19. & 19:15. are (fierceness).)

          Or the Greek feminine noun “ὀργῆς” or orgē;
          (re; Matthew 3:7., Luke 3:7., Luke 21:23., John 3:6., Romans 1:18., 2:25., 2:8., (where all are translated as wrath), Romans 3:5. (vengeance), Romans 5:9., 9:22., 13:4., Ephesians 5:6., Colossians 3:6., 1 Thessalonians 1:10., 2:16., 5:9., Revelation 6:16,17., 11:18., 16:19., 19:15. (where again all are translated as wrath), Revelation 14:10. being translated as “indignation”.

          Now, please compare the following definitions of “thymos and orgē” to the above definitions of “peirasmos and peirazō”, and see whether or not they could possibly be expressing “one in the same” thing?

          “Thymos”; “fierceness, indignation, wrath and passion, angry, heat, anger forthwith boiling up and soon subsiding again and glow, ardour, the wine of passion, inflaming wine (which either drives the drinker mad or kills him with its strength).”

          “Orgē”; “by implication punishment: anger, indignation, vengeance, wrath, violent and justifiable passion, anger exhibited in punishment, hence used for punishment itself.”

          Clearly when you compare “thymos and orgē” to “peirasmos and peirazō” they are not expressing the same thing.

          In maintaining relevance to Revelation 3:10., there are three verses of scripture that express that individuals that would, “keep the word of Jesus’s patience” would then be spared from God’s upcoming “wrath” (orgē).

          These would be Romans 5:9.;
          “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”

          1 Thessalonians 1:10.;
          “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.”

          1 Thessalonians 5:9.;
          “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,”

          However, the Church, or individuals being “chastised” by God, is part of our Christian learning process and experience.
          Re; Hebrews 12:5-11.

          Peter says in 1 Peter 4:12,13.;
          “Beloved, think it not strange concerning the “fiery trial” which is to “try” you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.”

          The “fiery trial” above is from the Greek feminine noun πυρώσει or pyrōsis, and is defined as, “a figure drawn from a refiners fire, and calamities or trials that test the character”.

          And the word “try” is the exact same word that is utilized within Revelation 3:10. that has been translated above as “temptation”, the Greek masculine noun, πειρασμοῦ or peirasmos.

          And what Peter is referring to above, is, that we as believers shouldn’t be surprised when we experience “calamities or trials that test our character”, because Christ also suffered “calamities and trials that tested His character”.
          And if we learn and are taught by these calamities and trials, and end up repenting and changing our ways to conform more with Who Jesus is, then when He comes, we will be able to rejoice at that appearing.

          Peter also says in 2 Peter 2:9.;
          “The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of “temptations”, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be “punished”:”

          Again the “temptations” above, is the exact same Greek masculine noun, πειρασμοῦ or peirasmos, and please notice that this is regarding “the day of judgment” rather than the “the day of the Lord” and that it is also reserved for “punishment”, rather than for “wrath”.

          “Judgement” being derived from the Greek feminine noun κρίσεως or krisis, being defined as to, “judgement, a separating, sundering, a separation, a trial, an opinion or decision given concerning justice and injustice, right or wrong, and a sentence of condemnation, and punishment.”

          “Punishment”, being derived from the Greek verb κολαζομένους or kolazō, to, “chastise, correct, punishment, to cause to be punished.”

          This “punishment” still offers the opportunity for correction, for an individual to change their ways and repent. Where when God unleashes His wrath, that opportunity won’t be available.

          Now, if the Church of Philadelphia is being “spared” from this “temptation and trial”, (what is clearly not God’s wrath by the definitions of the words themselves) then subsequently, by what is stated within Revelation 3:14-22., the Church of Laodicea, is being “subjected” to this “temptation and trial”.

          For Romans 5:9., 1 Thessalonians 1:10. and 5:9., to remain accurate and true in being God’s Word, then this “temptation and trial” is exactly what it “literally” says that it is, and is not the “wrath” of God The Fathers, but a time of “chastisement”.

          Revelation 3:19. confirms this very fact.
          “As many as I love, I “rebuke” and “chasten”: be zealous therefore, and repent.”

          “Rebuke”, the Greek verb ἐλέγχω or elegchō, to “to convict, refute, generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted, to find fault with, correct, to expose, to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove, to chasten, and to punish.”

          “Chasten”, the Greek verb παιδεύω or paideuō, to “train children, to be instructed or taught or learn, to chastise or castigate, to correct, by God to chasten by the affliction of evils and calamities, to chastise with blows, to scourge, of a father punishing his son, of a judge ordering one to be scourged.”

          Jesus still “loves” these individuals, they are obviously still a part of His Church (Rev. 3:14.) but have not “kept the word of His patience” sufficiently, and He is giving them a second chance.

          1 Peter 4:17,18.;
          “For the time is come that “judgment” must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous “scarcely” be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?”

          Peter says, that judgement will begin first with the Church, (the house of God), where the righteous will scarcely (the Greek adverb μόλις or molis; with difficulty, hardly, not easily, i.e. scarcely, very rarely) be saved.

          Where he then poses two questions;
          “What shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?”
          “Where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?”

          I believe that those two questions were answered by Jesus and explained to John within Revelation 3:14-22.

          Whether you choose to accept the above or not, is certainly your prerogative.

          However I do hope that the above helped clarify, that “The day of the Lord” is not the same as “the hour of trial”.

          God Bless.

      • “1. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6).”

        The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.”

        Mystery, Babylon the great, that woman who rides the beast, is a city and not a nation. This city also sits on seven hills/mountains. Because she is referred to as “Mystery Babylon” it is not speaking of the literal city of Babylon. Also, the reference to the kings of the earth committing immorality with her and the inhabitants of the earth being intoxicated with the wind of her immoralities, this would be in reference to her spiritual immoralities against God, which would make her a religious system. The word used here is “Porneuo” which is figuratively defined as:

        “to be unfaithful to Christ, while posing as His true follower.”

        That said, the reference to the kings of the earth committing immorality with her and the inhabitants being intoxicated with the wine of her immorality, would refer to them partaking or engaging in the woman’s religious practices would be against Christ. The other clues regarding the woman/Mystery Babylon is that she is dressed in purple and scarlet, which are the exact colors worn by Cardinals and Bishops of the Catholic Church:

    • 8~13~5998 (out of 6000) Sabbath in this final “Doomsday Apocalypse”.
      Last evil days of “Manmean”. Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns VERY SOON! Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM. Revelation 14:1
      HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

      T.M. I agree with you. “The Two Babylons” by Alexander Hislop (out of print) explains how Ancient Babylon and Christian Rome are so very much alike. especially in their religions! The U.S. Government is represented by the two horned beast of Revelation 13:11 – 18. John may have seen a buffalo. It turns its power over to the Vatican (which the first beast of verse 1) has become This happened a very long time ago! By the way, its “deadly wound” , verse 3, happened when Napoleon took away the Pope’s power in 1798. Sadly, the Vatican’s power was restored in 1929.


  2. Trumpet 2: Meteorite/Volcano explodes in the ocean, 1/3 ships and sea life destroyed. (Rev 8:8,9). Affects Day 5 of Genesis 1. Exod 8:20-21.
    Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
    Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
    Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
    Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

    If it is an asteroid/comet or meteor then we also need to add.
    Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
    Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
    Luk 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

    Exo 8:20 And the LORD said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh; lo, he cometh forth to the water; and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
    Exo 8:21 Else, if thou wilt not let my people go, behold, I will send swarms of flies upon thee, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thy houses: and the houses of the Egyptians shall be full of swarms of flies, and also the ground whereon they are.

  3. Some of this is beyond my knowledge, I’m being straight up here, but I do believe that the volcano, nibiru, or a comet in which my brother saw streaking across the ocean which had a tail, could be part of this and to finish, after he literally saw the tail of the comet/ meteor, he had a dream a few days later and saw the top of the Empire State Building just pertruding from the surface

    • grandhall

      protruding from the surface of what?

      • Hi Marianne, My brother mentioned this in a post a while back. He was down at the beach and a comet type star flew across the surface of the ocean it had a tail, there were 3 parts to it, a friend who was with him at the time also witnessed the same, when he turned to ask others standing near by did they see it, but did not’ not long after this he had a dream of the same he had literally seen on the beach, this time it was heading from space down towards the earth, it had 3 parts, in the dream one part hit New York and all he could see was the top of the ESB sticking out from the ground

        Sent from my iPhone

  4. May be off topic a bit here, for all you insomniacs, the Perseid meteor shower has started and is supposed to be the best in a decade as Jupiter’s gravity pull is lined up just right to bring in more chunks hurdling toward earth. I’m curious what sort of rocks fall our way. (It usually ends up being no big deal.) It’s supposed to last a couple or few days.

      • RECAP :

        fyi , you need to discern yourself

        Neville said that the pope is not what he seems he will push for one world religion

        pastor Neville said European union is anti-christ home base , thanks God Britain left the EU,
        he said
        the Brussels in Belgium is being prepared as anti-christ headquarter, outside the EU headquarter,
        is a statue, which is a woman on the beast , in the EU building, there are seats for all nation
        of the world
        and seat number 666 is empty they said the seat is reserved for a leader to come .

        USA WILL resist anti-christ in the end. good news

        Joseph told Neville that Jesus would return in his day, and Neville is 76 years old, so the time is short !!!!

        Neville said we should pray for the election specifically praying for exposure and we do not need a
        christian leader for God’ will be done here, he brought Cyrus, Cyrus ‘s of the pagan king who
        brought them the Israelite out of babylonian exile .
        (many prophets think Trump could be the Cyrus, Nita Johnson is one}

    • 8~14~5998 (out of 6000) Tisha B’ Ab Remembrance of the destruction of two Jewish temples in Jerusalem 500 years apart. Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns VERY SOON! Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM. Revelation 14:1 HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

      The meaning of #666? Revelation 13:18 Greek Diaglott Free on The Web:
      In Greek 666 represents the pagan name Zeus Christos (Zeus the Savior) with a CROSS, X as in Xmas!, a.k.a. “Jesus Christ”, the image (idol) of the beast (Vatican). Down through history Popes have claimed to be “Jesus Christ on Earth” and have a crown that states that.


      “Come out of HER My people!” Yahshua the Messiah in Revelation 18:4

      What election? Sadly, in my studied opinion, there has NOT been a REAL presidential election since 1981 when Bush Sr. took over! Trump?? He said “being elected president may be the only way he can get to Heaven”.


      • thinking about this 666

        it could be said as 6-6-6………..vav-vav-vav

        or 600 – 60 – 6

        mem – samech – vav

        • Marianne, yes, this verse was most likely first written in Hebrew and/or Aramaic. unless it was originally written in Greek.However, all we now have is the Greek translation. In Greek the numbers are letters, too. They represent the chief idol of the Greeks, Zeus the Savior. This is also Jesus Christ the chief idol of Christianity! The number six in Greek is called a HEX. In English, a hex is an evil spell. (This bit of knowledge is probably from the days of the Puritans when they KNEW Christianity is pagan.) There is NOTHING Hebraic about Christianity! It is 100% Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, and Roman but NOT Hebrew or TRUE Bible faith. Yes, Christianity is an evil SPELL, the national religion of the United States, whose government is The Two Horned Beast of Revelation 13:11-18. In fact, the U.S. Government will be the first one to enforce “The Mark of the Beast”. Soon followed by the EU. Israel’s leaders will probably not enforce it.
          By not, the world’s wrath may then be brought against Israel and all of US who will NOT adopt Christianity because IT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!

  5. Could it be that “Niku” will bring in the Asteroid? Niku in Chinese means: Rebellion. Nibiru has: Ni and U. Niku has: Ni and U.

  6. Babylon the great is the Vatican the city built on the 7 mountains and she drinks of the blood of the maryters

    • Hello Michael,

      That is what I have believed as well. Rome was also that great city that ruled over the kings of the earth at the time that John was receiving that information from the angel. Scripture also states that the woman was dressed in purple and scarlet and these are the exact colors worn by the Cardinals and Bishops. On your computer, on a Bing search field, just type in “Roman Catholic purple and scarlet” and click on the “Images” button. You’ll see what I mean. In addition, I personally believe that one of the popes is going to play the part of the false prophet, that 2nd beast.

      • dmcal, there is the pope in white for the public and the one who is called “The Black Pope”, the head of the Jesuits . He is the one that is in REAL power. Again, the second two-horned beast of Revelation 13 is the U.S. Government which turned its power over to the first beast , The Vatican, a very long time ago. The False Prophet in Revelation is Mohammad of Islam. DON’T BELIEVE the teachings of CHRISTIAN evangelists!!

        • Hello 4 Yahweh,

          According to scripture, the beast is that last day kingdom and also represents the ruler of that last day kingdom. I also believe that the 2nd beast, also known as the false prophet, is going to be one of the future popes of the RCC. I believe that the 1st beast is the antichrist and the 2nd beast is the false the prophet/pope and that they are actual individuals, as the following scripture demonstrates:

          “But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. ”

          That the [two of them] are thrown alive into the lake of fire would demonstrate that they are individuals. As far as the beast, he has not yet been revealed to the world, but will be when he makes that seven year covenant with Israel.

          As far as your advice to “DON’T BELIEVE the teachings of CHRISTIAN evangelists” I have never listened to them nor do I follow them. I study scripture daily and watch what is going on in the world.

          I personally believe that the 2nd beast/false prophet is going to be one of the future popes and not Mohammad. In Rev.17, it states that the kings of the earth will commit sexual immorality with the woman and the inhabitants will be intoxicated with the wine of her immoralities, which is speaking of spiritual immorality. The figurative definition of the word used there “Porneuo” is defined as:

          “to be unfaithful to Christ, while posing as His true follower.”

          Therefore, the false prophet will not be of Islam, but will have some connection to counterfeit Christianity. The other clues that Rome/Vatican with her counterfeit church is the woman who rides the beast, is that it is stated in Rev.17:18 that the woman is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth. When John was receiving this information from the angel, Rome was that great city that ruled over the kings of the earth.

          Like wise, scripture states the the seven heads are seven hills/mountains upon which the woman/city sits. Rome was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills. It also states that the woman is dressed in purple and scarlet, which is pointing us to the very colors that the Cardinals and Bishops wear of the RCC.

          Being that Catholics are so devoted to the pope now, what do you think will happen to that devotion when he begins to perform those miracles, signs and wonders in full view of the inhabitants of the earth? The devout will become even more devout and it will draw in all of those pseudo-christian sects out in the world, believing him to be performing those miraculous signs by the power of God. Unfortunately, those miraculous signs will be satanic, counterfeits.


  7. Yes The Vatican is the Whore It is obvious I don’t know why these people don’t see it the Jesuits are still working today ..

    • The Jesuits are the ones pulling the strings for Obama who is their puppet. And a Jesuit priest is in each of the six parts of our government system in America. If you draw a Star of David and put a circle at each point and put the government title. In the middle of the star put in the Oval office. The Black pope tells Obama what to do and Obama tells the Govet 6 what to do and the G-6 sends info back through the Oval office back to the Black Pope.
      I would not be surprised if the Black Pope is the Antichrist and the whit e pope is the false prophet.
      Obama or Erdogan will become Hitler or the fall guy.

      • Now we have some people talking here that truly knows what is going HAHAH ..Thank You ..The Jesuits are pulling the strings on every leader and if they dont comply then they end up like Syria and Libya for example and if you notice the countries did not have federal reserves and did not want them …The Vatican is the WHORE it is high time that people need to wake up and ask GOD for discernment …The great falling away of the church is happening..If you cant see it you will be one of the people led astray

        • michael

          I do not belong to a church. I belong to the Lord.

        • Michael, when you pray to “God”, or to “the LORD”, or through the name of “Jesus Christ” you are actually being a servant of the Vatican whether you know it or not! Yes, we ALL need to WAKE UP and high tail it OUT of Christianity by coming to FAITH In Yahweh the Father and in Yahshua His Son!


          “Come out of HER My people!” Yahshua the Messiah in
          Revelation 18:4 HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

          • I am not going to converge with you on the sacred name movement but let me tell you one thing !!! I am a deliverance minister and I cast out spirits and there is only one name they come out and that name is JESUS CHRIST and no other name do they come out so you cant tell me any different Hebrew roots movement or not

            • Michael, we ARE counseled to contend for the faith that was once delivered to the saints. That is WHY I answer you. It is too bad that you won’t even consider the translation of the #666 (Greek Diaglott, Free on The Web). Revelation 13:18 He who HAS WISDOM and UNDERSTANDING will take the time to study to know this truth. Those who will not will continue to be deceived as , sadly, you seem to be. And, Michael, HOW do YOU deliver anyone from evil spirits when you USE the pagan idol names (evil spirits)?

              • Jesus comes from Zeus

                Using the fact that the English name of the Messiah, Jesus, ends in a US they insist that this name is actually derived from the name of the leader of the greek Pantheon. They have no etymology or historical references to support this supposition, only the similarity of the English name to a Greek name. The entimology of the name Jesus is well in history and linguistic studies. The hebrew name Y’shua, a variant of Yoshua, becane Iesous in the Greek of the Brit Chadashah (New Testament). This name in the Romance languages of Europe became Hesus or Iesus depending on where you were in Europe. In the Germanic tongues (from which English is derived) the I became hardened into a J and the proper English name for the Messiah became JESUS. There is no evidence whatsoever that the English translators of the bible were followers of the Greco-Roman Pantheon or that they would have used the Greek god Zeus to obtain the name of the Messiah.

                • The testimony of the AnteNicean Fathers (written well before the foundations of the Roman Catholic Church) was that the majority of the New Testament was wrotten in Greek. Matthews Gospel as well as James and Hebrews may very probably have been written in Aramaic, but there is no reliable manuscript evidence that points to a preserved Aramaic text older than the forth century Peshitta (the Syriac version of the Bible). Furthermore, many of the concepts expressed in the New Testament could not have been presented in a concide language of commerce such as Hebrew or Aramaic and needed a philosophical language such as Greek to express the entirety of their thought. For instance: The passage at the end of John where the risen Messiah and Peter (Kefa) enter into a discussion where he is asked if he loves the Messiah.
                  John 21 15-17 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

                  He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

                  He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

                  The first two time Y’shua asked Kefa if he Agapao him and Kefa replied that he Phileo him. The last time the Messiah asked if Kefa could Phileo him and he wept. Agapao implies unconditional love whereas Phileo is a love that is conditional. In the Semitic tongues there is only one word for LOVE,,, Ahav. Not only would the meaning be lost to us, but if Kefa and Y’shua were speaking Hebrew or Aramaic the meaning would have been lost to Kefa and there would have been no reason for Kefa to be grieved.

                  The simple fact is that Koine Greek was the Lingua Franca of the Hellenized world much as English is today. People routinely spoke to one another in Koine (which means Common) Greek. To reach the world with the message of the Gospel it would have been necessary to use the common language of the world WHICH WAS GREEK.

                  • 1. “There is no other name given under heaven amongst men by which we must be saved”

                    2. Jesus is the name of the Messiah in English, this we know for certain. Y’shua is a Hebrew equivalent as is Yoshua… but YAHShua? Never heard if him… it is neither English nor Greek nor even Hebrew, it is an invention of Americans who came out of sect of the Christian Church… a sect that rejects the very religion it came from as being pagan.

                    3. Paul preached the unknown G-d and never once during that sermon mentioned the name of G-d, how was anyone saved?

                    4. You do not know the name of the redeemer so by your own doctrine you are condemned

                    5. You do not know the person of the redeemer because you practice unrighteous judgment based on your own false understanding of the name of G-d therefore according to the Living Torah as given by Y’shua himself, you are a stone white sepulcher full of dead men’s bones. Repent of your sins and come to Messiah… learn of the person through his Word (Davar) and his Ruach (Spirit) and you shall receive the FREE GIFT of Salvation.

                    • Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. “ – James 3

                    • Michael, by your written expressions here it seems to me that it is YOU who is letting yourself be controlled by evil spirits and their doctrines. For whatever reasons YOU have rejected the SAVING Names of the Father and Son (Yahweh and Yahshua). You also condemn me. I only pointed out to you the translation of the #666 in Greek which is the name “Jesus Christ” with a CROSS, X as in Xmas. Your copious writings cannot counteract this TRUTH.
                      For your limited information, the pious Jews of Old and New Testament times would NOT have anything to do with the Greek language considering it vile and profane.
                      I am not the only ONE teaching salvation through Yahweh and Yahshua. Type these Names and find THOUSANDS of references on The Web. It greatly grieves me that most professed Bible believers, even here, are happily LOST in CHRISTIANITY.


          • 4 Yahweh,

            After reading what you said to Michael, it is you who needs to “Wake up!” We are told in scripture to pray to the Father in the name of Yeshua Hamashiach, which is just the transliteration of Jesus Christ. To be clear, we should be trusting in the One who met the righteous requirements of the law and paid the penalty for our sins. The teachings of Christ/Messiah and His word are the truth.

            ” I only pointed out to you the translation of the #666 in Greek which is the name “Jesus Christ” with a CROSS, X as in Xmas.”

            The above is blasphemous. The mark of the beast belongs to that beast who once was, now is not and yet will come up out of the Abyss and is an enemy of the Father and his Son, Yeshua/Jesus. His number is related to buying and selling (crediting and debiting) and that mark will eventually replace cash, checks, card swiping and bank apps. on cell phones. From the middle of that last seven years, that subdermal device/mark will be the only way of performing electronic crediting and debiting to ones bank account.

            ‘For your limited information, the pious Jews of Old and New Testament times would NOT have anything to do with the Greek language considering it vile and profane.”

            Yes, but the Jews of Old and New are not the authors of the book of Revelation, God is. And God had it written in Koine Greek. It appears that it is you who have been listening to false teachers.

            • dmcal,

              There are some on the internet that believe parts of the New Testament was written in Hebrew like Matthew, the lletters of Paul and Hebrews.
              According to some sources, Paul being a Jew only knew Hebrew and his scribe wrote in Hebrew and when it arrived at the city intended for, it was translated there into the language at the city by somebody who knew Hebrew.

  8. You seriously belong to a cult !!!! I don’t care what it says on the web show me bible verses

    • you and she have really different views. best to discontinue discussion.

    • Michael, there isn’t a GREATER more evil CULT than CHRISTIANITY!
      Why do you love it so much?
      Well, here is another Bible verse for YOU to ignore.

      “I am come in My Father’s Name , and you receive Me not: let another come in his own name, him you will receive.” Yahshua the Messiah
      in John 5:43

      Yahshua came IN His Father’s Name of Yahweh. “Jesus Christ did not come in the name of God or The Lord.” There isn’t any phonetic connection between all the pagan names of deity! The preface to The Holy Name Bible has many verses proving the Names of Yahweh and Yahshua. Be a WISE virgin and seek them out while you still have a little time..

    • I would whole-heatedly have to agree with you Michael regarding 4 yahweh. There always seems to be those people who cause division in Christ. Oops! I mean Messiah. It’s always the same in that they elevate themselves above everyone else as being the only ones having the truth and everyone else is lost. Whatever name anyone goes by, whether Immanuel, God with us, born of the Spirit, crucified, buried and resurrected. This is the person that are faith is in regardless of the transliterated name of any given language.

  9. LOL You Millerite !!! Sorry Marianne …Jezebel Please read The Book Of Galatians because Paul speaking specifically about you false teachers ….May JESUS, JESUS, JESUS richly bless you..THAT IS ALL I WILL SAY

  10. PROPHETIC WORD FOR RIGHT NOW! Neville Johnson Lancaster Prophetic Conference 2016 – very short version

  11. 4 yahweh (not)

    The name of the Lord is transliterated in every language and therefore is written and pronounced differently in every language. Therefore, whatever nationality/language a person belongs to, as long as that name is referring to the One who paid the penalty for our sins, was buried and resurrected, then God is going to accept that person as believing in His Son, whether they call him Yeshua, iesous or Jesus. What do you think His name is in Chinese, Korean, or in the Slavonic languages. God knows whether or not a persons faith is in His Son.

    • true

      • 8~16~5998 (out of 6000) in this final Earth Age.
        Yes, Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns VERY Soon! Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM. Revelation 14:1Those saints who have chosen THEM go to blessed lives eternal. HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

        Marianne, for years I have been on these threads contending for the true faith that was once (and for all time!) delivered to the saints. With these last few comments here THOSE TIMES have come to an end. Please do NOT send me any more of your threads. I and Yahweh and Yahshua have been terribly mistreated here. Christianity when held on to seems to harden the spirit and inspires its adherents to become mean along with being VERY DECEIVED! The Evil One (who I will not honor with a name because his names have never been replaced or changed, ONLY MULTIPLIED!) does not care IF YOU THINK YOU ARE SAVED. He KNOWS that if you continue to believe in false doctrine, YOU WILL BE VERY LOST! And, if (IF!) you remain in evil pagan Christianity YOU ARE! Yahweh’s very FIRST commandment states to have no other deity before HIM. God, Lord, and Jesus Christ are the names of pagan idols. “Lord” is a direct translation of the Babylonian idol name Baal.
        dmcal52, transliterated means “sounds the SAME in every language.” For example, “HalleluYah” sounds the SAME in EVERY language. That is the way Yahweh’s Name is supposed to be. And, do you know, IT IS the same in EVERY language! Check it out!
        Marianne, you equate Christianity with Bible Truth. IT IS NOT! You have had these many years of my testimony to prayerfully study and choose the truth. It’s up to YOU to do so. I have been a faithful witness to you all. I will NOT continue to have Yahweh and His Son Yahshua blasphemed here. Shalom in THEM!


        • 4 yahweh,

          You said:
          dmcal52, transliterated means “sounds the SAME in every language.” For example, “HalleluYah” sounds the SAME in EVERY language.

          That is not correct. Below is the correct definition of transliteration:

          The act or product of transliterating, or of representing letters or words in the characters of another alphabet or script.

          The following are the names of Yeshua Hamashiach in Greek and English using the same letters in different alphabets.

          Hebrew: “Yehoshua”/Jehoshua, contracted to “Joshua”) which means “Yahweh saves” (or “Yahweh is salvation”).

          Greek: Iēsoús

          English: Jesus

          They all refer to the same Savior who met the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and the same One who was tortured and shed His blood in payment our sins. You seem to be hung up with the spelling of names. We do not worship Baal. We worship the Messiah who gave His life for us.

          You said in your post that you have been mistreated, but I believe that it was you who came in attacking everyone’s faith in Christ, with an attitude that you are the only one who has the truth and everyone else’s faith is false. We know who we worship. Christianity is not a pagan religion, but based on faith in the Son of God who gave His life for us. That said, you might be received better if you stopped attacking everyone’s faith in Christ.

        • 4 yahweh

          I have always let you express your opinion. naturally, there are others who have their opinions as well.

          I let everyone express themselves and what they believe.

          My goal was to allow individuals to see the perspective of other believers, which always has some merit.

          I appreciate your sincerity in being so careful about what “language” is used, so as not to be in error. I guess I could say you take an orthodox position, as opposed to a more relaxed position that others take.

          gentiles think like gentiles, which is going to be different from those who think in Hebrew terms and language.

          YHVH God sees our hearts, and even if we really goof up, he looks past that and loves us anyhow.

          the “goof” might limit people, but let them deal with that on their own. all you can do is recommend what you think is better, and pray that others, through their own free will, may also see what you do.

          I encourage you to strive for t he best. while you feel your standards are higher, which is commendable, make allowances for those who truly love YHVH God but seem in error to you.

          we must stand together in unity against satan, who would love for all of us to break out into a fight and attack each other…but I refuse to give him what he wants.

          I love all of you….and encourage everyone to seek the truth of the Word to the best of each one’s ability….

          some people move slow, some are quicker…some are smart, and some less smart….but we all love our Creator Yahweh

  12. very short
    Pastor Nevill JOhnson and SAdhu all agree with this

    • so in the vision, god told him not to share the information, but since neville said he agreed with it, he disobeyed god and shared it anyhow?

      my sense is that donald trump will be elected, but he will not take office due to some man made disasters to stop him.

  13. Neville Johnson also said the Jesus told him, he would see His return in Neville’s lifetime. Neville Johnson is now 76.

    someone talked to Neville and he says he hasn’t or doesn’t see past 2030

    A few months ago Pastor Joe Sweet from Lancaster Worship Center ministered here in Australia. He said D. G. S. Dhinakaran had an encounter with Jesus in 2002. Jesus told him that he will return in 20 to 30 years. And Jesus gave him a sign, he said the people in the Middle East hated His name but He will pour out His Spirit and half of the Muslim population will be saved. And the other half of the Muslims will start to kill them. And Jesus said he will return by that time to stop it. And Pastor Joe Sweet said let take the middle figure 25 (between 20 to 30 years) and add 2002. That’s mean Jesus will return around 2027. Then later after the service, I spoke to him face to face, I asked him again, he said he believe Jesus will return in 2028.

    • q

      I guess we will see how all these predictions turn out. personally, I do not see me around that long

    • Joe Sweet also dismissed all of this.
      Battle of Jerusalem +100 years = 2017. 6th day war+50 years = 2017. Proclamation of Israel 1947+70 years = 2017. Abraham’s birth (1947 BCE) + 2017 years = 70 CE (Destruction of the Temple; Matt 24:1-2) +1947 years = 2017. Judah ben Samuel prophecy, Woman clothed witht eh Sun in 2017 (on the Day of Trumpet with Virgo and Leo). Giza Pyramid lineup of 2017. 2017 minus generations 38, 40, 50, 70, 80, 100 and 120 years lines up to siginifcant events with Israel. Joe also dismissed that 2016 is the 50th, the 70th, and the 120th Jubilees. He also has lied to you telling you that Jesus was born on December 25th. He teaches Sunday is the Lord’s Day but he does not know that it honors the Roman Lord’s. He teaches the lies of the rapture can come tomorrow. He teaches the lies of Replacement theology. In all, he has probably taught you about 15 + lies which you believe to be the truth.

      • what did Joe Sweet dismiss ?
        ” in 2002. Jesus told him that he will return in 20 to 30 years.”
        did he dismiss this statement ? could you clarify ? thanks

  14. John- I agree 100%!!!! If no one listens and understands that the totality of the truth in Scripture is, that which was given in the beginning in the Tanakh, and that which was given at the end in the Renewed Covenant, they will be deceived! Ha Satan’s biggest deception. The parsing of words has been everyone’s undoing, whether you call yourself a Christian or a Jew!!!!

  15. In my opinion, it may very well be both. What appears to us may appear as stated in heaven. Since we can’t know fully until we are there, we may find angels actually poured heavenly bowls of fire. Earth side, it a meteor shower.

    I’ve been studying Revelation for awhile. I’m trying to put my study into a time line chart of events hopefully sometime in the near future.

    One theory I’m mulling over is in Revelation 9.

    1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
    2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
    3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power….
    ….7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
    8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
    9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
    10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
    11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

    A “star” falls and is given the key? Could this star refer to a meteor? Perhaps a meteor that will drive so deeply into the earth’s core that it releases a never before seen species of locusts as described. Already we see things such as mosquitoes becoming a danger, African killer bees. Species mutate and evolve everyday. These locusts could be a new species that evolves.

    Bees have a “queen” and they sting. These locusts will have a king, and will sting like a scorpion. The king is Apollyon which is first transcribed in Greek from the Hebrew Abaddon”. In Greek, Apollyon means the Destroyer”. Locust have always destroyed crops. It appears that this possible new breed of locust will instead destroy people. Since Scripture often uses fruit and crops of wheat, etc. To refer to people, there’s sort of a cross reference here. (Since we will be given new bodies, boy I hope I don’t come back as a banana. LOL)

    The debate on which nation is Babylon is intriguing.

    Is Babylon the US? I’m leaning towards Babylon being literal. If Babylon is called Babylon, why would the US later be referred to as Babylon. Part of my study covers this.

    In Revelation 18:21 it says “Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:
    “With such violence
    the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
    never to be found again.

    Babylon has a history of destruction and rebuilding. Babylon does not really become prominent until 1830 b.c. The city was invaded many times and in 689 b.c., Babylon was attacked by Sennacherib, and was destroyed by fire. It was rebuilt by Esarhaddon, and taken from Assyria around 625 b.c. when the Neo-Babylonian Empire was founded by Nebuchadnezzar’s father.

    After this came the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, the ultimate captivity of Babylon’s inhabitants, and the destruction of the city itself.

    With this, I’m thinking “never to be found again” makes sense. If found “again”, it may mean that it was found before.

    So what about Babylon currently?

    Fox News 2013
    “Our work now is to restore Babylon and complete the file of Babylon to include it in the World Heritage List,” said Hussein al-Amari.

    Amari added that he hopes Babylon will become a major source of income for Iraq and a “place to receive all tourists.”

    CNN 2015
    The world monuments fund recently received a five hundred thousand dollar grant from the u-s state department to help restore Babylon.

    South China Morning Post July 2016
    Dubai to build ‘Hanging Gardens of Babylon’ tower taller than Burj Khalifa

    Look at who surrounds Jerusalem: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria.

    Babylon existed in the same area as Iraq and Syria.

    So I believe Babylon is Babylon, not the US, not Russia, not any other nation but Babylon.

    I’m still engaged in study. It’s not a quick read. There’s so much it covers. So there are very few concrete conclusions I’ve reached. Much of it is just speculation on my part.

    Aside from Revelation itself, something else intrigues me. If men throughout history have been said to have been led by God, why then are there so many different speculations and varied commentaries? Many today will say “Gold told/showed me…”. But there was only one John. Are they being boastful? Have they simply misinterpreted? Could they possibly have been God inspired? Again since we only know in part, it’s a possibility.

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled program. 😉

    • chargefox, go to Nibiru and Isaiah 24 ( and read the article with CERN, Santa’s, Tattoos, Revelation 9 and watch the video attached about an actual locust with a stinger.

      FAIRY OR DEMON LOCUSTS: Take A Look At This Very Scary Unidentified Creature That Is Being Connected To Revelation 9 Locusts From The Abyss!!! | Jul 30, 2016 |

      L.A. Marzulli stunned the audience at the Rocky Mountain International Prophecy Conference with images of something he was shown by renowned Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan. Is it a demonic locust? A hybrid? A hoax? L.A. and ‘Watchers 10’ director Richard Shaw discuss the ‘fairy’, how they learned about it, and what kind of testing they’re trying to arrange to figure out what this thing is.


      REVELATION LOCUSTS: Is This Unidentified Creature The Locust That Comes Out Of The Abyss In The End TimesJuly 22, 2016In “Blogs and Opinions”

      FORESHADOW OF THE 5TH TRUMPET? Zika Virus, Genetically Modified Mosquito’s and Hybrid LocustMarch 15, 2016In “Blogs and Opinions”

      NEPHILIM ARMY Is Coming!! CERN “Black Rain” Video Shows the ABYSS Will Open!!!May 17, 2016In “Blogs and Opinions”

  16. Greetings chargfox,

    You said:
    “A “star” falls and is given the key? Could this star refer to a meteor? Perhaps a meteor that will drive so deeply into the earth’s core that it releases a never before seen species of locusts as described. Already we see things such as mosquitoes becoming a danger, African killer bees. Species mutate and evolve everyday. These locusts could be a new species that evolves. ”

    First of all, that the “star” of the 5th trumpet is given the key to the Abyss would demonstrate that that the “He” is being, an entity. Also, In Rev.12, we see that the word “stars” is used symbolically to represent fallen angels. That said, this star is figurative representing an angel.

    That this star/angel is opening the Abyss is significant in that, the Abyss is a literal place, a place where fallen angels/demonic beings are restricted to. The Abyss is the same place that those demonic beings collectively called “Legion” begged Jesus not to send them into as demonstrated in Luke 8:31.

    The Abyss is also the current location of the beast, who is that angel of the Abyss, who is the king of these beings that have the appearance of locusts and who have breast plates like breast plates of iron and look like horses prepared for battle.. The Abyss is also the same place that Satan is going to be thrown into and restricted when Christ returns to the earth to end the age.

    That these creatures are told to not to harm any tree or plant or any green thing, but only those who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads, tells the reader that they are intelligent, as they are receiving instructions. They are described as, having faces like human faces, hair like women’s hair, teeth like lions teeth, tails and stings like that of a scorpion and something like crowns of gold on their heads.

    Taking into consideration the information above That they have a king over them, the fallen angel of the Abyss, would reveal these creatures as being demonic beings who will be let out of the Abyss by that star/angel who opens the Abyss. I believe that the four angels that are released at the 6th trumpet, also get their 200 million who kill a third of mankind from the Abyss as well. The Abyss will remain open from the 5th trumpet until Christ returns to end the age, where at that time Satan will be thrown in and it will be locked back up again so that he can’t deceive the nations during that thousand year reign of Christ. Those locusts beings that will be let out are demonic beings

    Blessings in Christ

    • dmcal42

      FAIRY OR DEMON LOCUSTS: Take A Look At This Very Scary Unidentified Creature That Is Being Connected To Revelation 9 Locusts From The Abyss!!! | Jul 30, 2016 |

      L.A. Marzulli stunned the audience at the Rocky Mountain International Prophecy Conference with images of something he was shown by renowned Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan. Is it a demonic locust? A hybrid? A hoax? L.A. and ‘Watchers 10’ director Richard Shaw discuss the ‘fairy’, how they learned about it, and what kind of testing they’re trying to arrange to figure out what this thing is.


      REVELATION LOCUSTS: Is This Unidentified Creature The Locust That Comes Out Of The Abyss In The End TimesJuly 22, 2016In “Blogs and Opinions”

      FORESHADOW OF THE 5TH TRUMPET? Zika Virus, Genetically Modified Mosquito’s and Hybrid LocustMarch 15, 2016In “Blogs and Opinions”

      NEPHILIM ARMY Is Coming!! CERN “Black Rain” Video Shows the ABYSS Will Open!!!May 17, 2016In “Blogs and Opinions”

    • dmcal52 , that may be but like other events in heaven, we may not see any actual event. However many things are referred to as male or female, though not actual beings. IE: Babylon is a she who committed adultery by following other gods. So I don’t go by pronouns in determining whether something is alive or inanimate. The woman described representing Babylon wasn’t an actual woman. When John asked what it meant, it was a depiction. Which is why a star can refer to either an angel or actual star, as both are called stars in Scripture. The scenario I gave is just one possible event. It may or may not be how it actually happens, but the outcome is the same.

      • Hi Chargfox,

        Well, the “star” is referred as “He” and therefore could not be referring to a literal star. We have to remember, in John’s time they did not have scientific classifications for those bodies in the cosmos. Therefore whether it be a meteorite, asteroid, comet, or planet, they were all considered and referred to as stars. Most likely the angel appeared as something bright falling from heaven and he refers to it as a star. The angels in Rev.12 are also referred to as stars. Since this star is given the key to the Abyss and he is opening it and he is referred to as a “He” then you can be pretty sure that the word “star” is symbolic for an angel.

        The Abyss is an actual place with entry points, which is obviously currently locked. Interpreting the star as a literal star would not hold water and that because after Christ returns to end the age in Rev.19, another angel comes down from heaven, having the key to the Abyss, and seizes Satan and throws him into the Abyss and then locks it back up.

        • It could make sense in both aspects if those on earth perceive it differently as you stated “Most likely the angel appeared as something bright falling from heaven”.

          To heaven they literally see this star/angel, but those on earth witness what appears as a meteorite or other natural event.

          If you actually see an angel and things such as how the beast is described and others, I can’t see how you could not possibly believe. Yet there will be many who still won’t repent, so it would appear as if it is something they could explain away.

  17. once there is woman leader in the church , she said that in her vision, she saw God is in the darkness, later she quote psalm 18:11,
    suddenly i have a big ? in my mind, so after the meeting , i went home to do some bible study to find out the original meaning of darkness in the verse psalm 18:11, then found out the darkness is think cloud, which is not darkness itself, God indeed live in the light ! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Does God Dwell in Light or Darkness?
    by Eric Lyons, M.Min.

    Does God live in light or does God live in darkness? First Timothy 6: “The King of kings, Lord of Lords dwelling in the light which no man can approach.” James 1:17: He’s “the Father of lights” and on and on we see God is light. There’s no darkness in him at all. However, in 1 Kings 8: “Then spake Solomon: “The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.” First Samuel 22: “He made darkness pavilions round about Him, dark waters and thick clouds of the sky.” Psalm 18:11: “He made darkness his secret place.” So, God lives in light. God lives in darkness.
    Do these verses paint a contradictory picture of God? Not at all..
    First, the Bible uses the terms “light” and “darkness” in several ways and in a variety of contexts. God’s dwelling place in the spiritual realm of the heaven of heavens is filled with “unapproachable light” (1 Timothy 6:16), because His unrestrained glory illuminates it (Revelation 21:23). God made light in the physical Universe during the six-day Creation and “called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night” (Genesis 1:5). He made the Sun, Moon, and stars on day four of Creation, thus making Him the “Father of lights” (James 1:17). Jesus was miraculously transfigured before three of His apostles and “His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light” (Matthew 17:2). The psalmist referred to light in the sense of divine instruction: “The entrance of Your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple” (119:130). Conversely, the psalmist referred to those who “do not know, nor…understand,” as those who “walk about in darkness” (82:5). While addressing the subjects of sin and righteousness, the apostle John used the terms light and darkness symbolically: “God is light (i.e., holy) and in Him is no darkness (i.e., sin)” (1 John 1:5). This same apostle referred to Jesus as “the Light” throughout his gospel account (1:4-9; 8:12; 9:5; 12:34-36,46), and Matthew recorded that Jesus spoke of His disciples as “the light of the world” (5:14-16), reflectors of His righteousness
    Second, the passage in 1 Kings 8:12 that Barker noted (“The Lord said that he would dwell in thick darkness”—KJV) is not discussing God’s dwelling place in the heaven of heavens. First Kings 8:12-13, along with 2 Chronicles 5:13-14, discuss God’s presence in the physical temple of God in Jerusalem. Just as “the cloud covered the tabernacle of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle” in the days of Moses (Exodus 40:34), so “the house of the Lord [the temple], was filled with a cloud” (2 Chronicles 5:13). Similarly, the highly poetic wording in Psalm 18 and 1 Samuel 22 (a quotation of Psalm 18) pictures God, not on His majestic, glorious throne in heaven, but as One Who “came down” from heaven (Psalm 18:9), “flew upon the wings of the wind” (18:10), and delivered his servant David from his enemies while making “darkness His secret place” and “His canopy…dark waters” (18:11). As H.C. Leupold commented:
    2 Then spake Solomon, The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness. “。1Kings 8:12 is a reference to “the cloud” which was manifested as filling the Temple (cp. v. 10).(the cloud)

    The picture is that of a violent storm—a figure so frequently used in the Scriptures to furnish the accompaniment of God’s approach, He Himself being as it were housed in the storm. From the time of Sinai onward these figures become standard (cf. Exod. 19:16-18; Judg. 5:4,5; Ps. 68:7;77:16-18; Is. 29:6; 30:27ff.; etc.). As the storm sweeps near, He is in it. The thick storm clouds are the material upon which He rides (1959, pp. 166-167).
    Let’s start with a question: If a light is too bright to stand, what do you do if you don’t want to turn it off?Answer: You lessen it by obscuring it somehow.
    The latter references are all to the temporary “pillar of cloud” formation that God appeared in to the Israelites – a divine courtesy extended so that God’s overwhelming Shekinah glory wouldn’t blind or destroy them.
    Indeed, isn’t that obvious from the 1 Timothy verse? No man can approach that light, so God must shroud it in “darkness” – the pillar of cloud – for us to get anywhere near it.

  18. Marianne, regarding Enoch: Over these fountains also I perceived a place which had neither the firmament of heaven above it, nor the solid ground underneath it; neither was there water above it, nor anything on wing; but the spot was desolate.

    I’ve considered this to possibly refer to outer space. Space would be over the fountains, or volcanos. There’s no solid ground beneath it, nor any flying creatures and it is definitely desolate. Think of how it would appear to a time where no telescopes or satellites existed.

    As for the second trumpet, the horses may be actual occurrences in the heavens that we will not actually see here or can be depictions of events. As for the rider of the red horse being given a large sword, we can also see that when Christ returns, out of His mouth is a sharp two edged sword and in Hebrews, the Word of God is a sharp two edged sword. So the sword can refer to something intangible, and not a literal sword.

    I see the horses as depicting events. The rider of the red horse is given power to take peace from the earth and make people kill each other. I don’t see this as a literal horse, but like satan affects our thoughts, this could also refer to men’s thoughts and evil actions of killing one another, as a period where earth won’t be at peace and every country will be at war.

    But as you said, many men of God have different theories. I usually use Gill and he often references multiple possibilities, showing that there can be other meanings than what we may believe to be true. Since we cannot know fully right now, sometimes speculation is all we have.

    With this, what of John’s vision? Many have had visions. Those which happen are deemed prophetic while those not, we’re to take as false. John’s vision, as with many prophecies in Scripture have, or are being fulfilled. But the vision John received could have been a depiction.

    Jesus often used parables that He later explained to His disciples. Such as saying the Jews would destroy this temple but in 3 days He would rebuild it. They scoffed at any notion of rebuilding the temple in 3 days. It wasn’t until later that the disciples realized He was referring to His body. John’s vision was prophetic but perhaps a depiction of events rather than the actual descriptions of how they occur.

    • Now I’m gonna laugh at myself since for some reason, I saw trumpet but thought seal. So just consider the horses and extra. LOL

      Like others, I see this “something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea” as being a meteor or asteroid. Which would definitely destroy ships and living creatures and that would be a lot of bloodshed in the sea turning it red.

    • I saw a video recently on Babylon and went through my YouTube history. Finally found it. LOL

      Listen to this guy’s version of Revelation.

    • cargfox

      I think the last days scriptures were written intentionally vague so that we would spend lots of time trying to decipher them. It would keep our minds on god and not the world. 🙂

      • LOL I’ve always felt differently and wondered if debating kept us from God’s calling in light of Titus 3:9 “But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.”

        I wonder though if this means just the arguments and quarrels and not healthy friendly debates. Hmmmm

  19. yes

  20. do you have any article regarding to this ? thanks

  21. someone ask the question, I have looked over the story about Terry Bennet, twice, It doesn’t add up. Sounds ok,.terry Bennett taking us out to at least 2028. from 2008-2028 ,21 years=7 years X 3 period . anti-christ is coming out of Europe at the last period,
    , BUT, Israel is not included in any
    of the story/vision etc. Its all mostly about Europe and America,
    and total worldwide rule, which is not accurate when you implement what Gabriel tells in Daniel about the 70 weeks and Daniel’s people and the holy city. Matt ch 24, Luke ch 21 and
    Mark ch 13 are addressed to the children of Israel.

    I won’t belabor the issue beyond the verse in Amos where its
    asked, surely the Lord God does nothing except He first show
    His servants the prophets, is this man a prophet or ?

    anyone could answer this ? thanks

    • just because someone says he is a prophet does not make him so, esp if he accepts money for what he does

      I do not know him, but i do not understand the 7 x 3 either.

      from here:

      I do not agree that his religious shakings do not start until 2022. we have muslims invading europe NOW and them entering the usa NOW. there is already chaos due to jihadists killing people.

      what we have right now is a lot of people viewing current events, and forming conclusions. even you and I can do that…but the conclusions are intellectually drawn. you don’t need an angel to do that.

      the key to good false prophecy is to be vague….no specifics….that way you are always right and can fit current events into what you said.

      in the old days, we just called this news analysis. just like predicting the weather. it is an analysis…

      also he follows the general pattern , “if you sin , god will punish you.” it does not take a prophet to come to that conclusion.

      I do not ever have a good feeling when I see a pay pal donate button on a person’s page. the bible talks about prophets for hire in a bad way.

      i am not going to agree or disagree with this man, because what he says is not in line with the bible so far, but then maybe not all things are in the bible….also since he is vague, that does not help either….adding that an angel spoke to him is still up in the air, we have “angels of light” now.

      maybe he is right, but his presentation is peculiar…..I would just keep in prayer, stay ready, and see what happens

  22. q

    I would pray NOT in person with her, but from a distance, to protect yourself.

    tell her you need to change from praying in person to praying at home. you have other commitments now. you will still agree with her in prayer

    pray for all to be saved and delivered from spirits of jezebel and homosexuality

    • thanks very much !
      do you think
      when i prayer with her before, do i get any bad influence from her ? , i am worry ?

      • I do not know, but to worry about it is worse than any influence you are concerned with….just bless yourself for being a good friend and prayer partner, and keep going in the right direction. 🙂

        consider it a learning experience

        • AMEN ! thanks for your answer and your time,
          honestly, i even do not know if i were in the right direction in the first place.
          i did not even know God’s will and already jump into such mess,

          i am not her good friend or close friend, i just have compassion for her kids. so we pray together.

          God Bless

        • 47 All those gathered here will know that it is not by sword or spear that the Lord saves; for the battle is the Lord’s, and he will give all of you into our hands.” 1 Samuel 17

  23. Hi Marianne,
    thanks for your time , kindness and answer last night,
    i just want to ask you if possible, could you delete the whole thread of this question. on August 26, 2016 at 11:37 pm last night
    God Bless

    i did write down your answer in my notebook.

  24. Marianne , you do not need to answer me right now,
    it is no rush at all.
    how do you choose your prayer partner ? i want to avoid the situation i had .

    • thanks , pls answer later , no rush

      • i found some answer
        1. Make sure your prayer partner is someone you can trust
        The nature of prayer is intimate. Prayer means being brutally honest with God. When you have a prayer partner, you share personal things about your life that should not be broadcasted to the world. Before you spill your gut to someone, make sure that person not only has high moral and spiritual standards, but that he or she is trustworthy with your requests.

        2. Make sure your prayer partner is someone who is committed to spiritual growth
        Of course you want your prayer partner to be a friend, but above and beyond that, you want to ensure that he is committed to his own spiritual growth. Don’t just pick someone because of their likeability, charm, or personality. Before partnering with them in prayer, ask them questions about their own spiritual development and growth.

        3. Make sure your prayer partner is someone who promotes God’s will above his own advice
        Sharing requests with others should never be a platform for opinionated advice. The idea behind having a prayer partner is to intercede for one another before a holy God. The aim is to find God’s will in every situation. Also, don’t let your time together turn into a gossip hour. There is a fine line between gossip and sharing prayer requests.

        4. Make sure your prayer partner is someone who attempts to live in accordance to God’s Word
        God’s Word is the anchor for life. Many of the answers we seek for in prayer have already been answered in the Word of God. If your partner openly lives in defiance to God’s Word, you both will find difficulty in communicating with God.

        5. Make sure your prayer partner is someone who will hold you accountable.
        Accountability is one of the primary reasons for having a prayer partner. Don’t pick someone who will go “easy” on you. You need someone who is concerned enough for your spirituality that they would be willing to call you out on something for the betterment of your faith.

        • awesome research. see , you are getting smarter every day! 🙂

        • q –

          I love the list you have for yourself regarding prayer partners, our honesty with God and commitment to spiritual growth. I have known people who use prayer as a “platform for opinionated advice.”

          Your #5 especially resonates with me, that we pray with those who will hold us accountable, not people who will pat us on the back. It is my belief that our spiritual growth is rooted in all 5 on your list but especially in times when we are held accountable for our intentions, thoughts, words, and deeds.

          I am curious where you found such a list, how did it come to you? Through your own prayer?


    • it looks like you answered your own question 🙂


    • q,
      I agree with this article except one point. I believe the mission field is still important as well, as we’re also to preach the Gospel to everyone. Building churches helps with starting other churches so they can also preach the Gospel. But in order to preach the Gospel we must also be learning. So it’s both, with learning being first. If we don’t learn then we are I’ll equipped to preach the Gospel to anyone else.

  26. wedding garment for marriage supper , what is it ?
    for marriage supper, what we need is white , fine linen, White and Clean white garment. robe of righteousness. it mean the purity, cleanness, the character of believer.

    i heard someone saw in the vision, they see people wear tuxedo ??, i doubt , tuxedo ?? do not think so,
    what do you think, thanks


  28. A jackal spirit, then, will usually attack at night and is associated with the spirit of death. It’s a mutt spirit, in a sense, as it’s a wolf mixed with a dog or a wolf mixed with a fox. A jackal spirit sets out to deceive (false prophet), operates in the realm of witchcraft (sorcery), and works to steal your liberty (religious spirit). The jackal spirit wants to bring you into desert places, destruction and ultimately death. It works to wear you out with its nocturnal attacks, fearful voices and howling imaginations.

  29. Very Thought Provoking and Interesting .

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