Anti-Zionism – Roman and Christian (Western) roots

Should we completely blame the Arabs as the only source of Anti-Zionism (Anti-Semitism)? Maybe we as Christians need to look at ourselves a little more closely, and repent.

Historical Persecution of Jews by Roman Pagans (who were later “converted” to Christianity):

Dates and events

70: The Roman Army destroyed Jerusalem, killed over 1 million Jews, took about 100,000 into slavery and captivity, and scattered many from Palestine to other locations in the Roman Empire.

113: Jews in Cyprus, Cyrene, Egypt and Mesopotamia revolted against the Roman Empire. This caused “the death of several hundreds of thousands of Romans and Jews.”

132: Bar Kochba led a hopeless three-year revolt against the Roman Empire. Many Jews had accepted him as the Messiah. About a half-million Jews were killed; thousands were sold into slavery or taken into captivity. The rest were exiled from Palestine and scattered throughout the known world, adding to what is now called the “Diaspora.” Judaism was no longer recognized as a legal religion.

135: Serious Roman persecution of the Jews began. They were forbidden, upon pain of death, from practicing circumcision, reading the Torah, eating unleavened bread at Passover, etc. A temple dedicated to the Roman pagan god Jupiter was erected on temple mountain in Jerusalem. A temple of Venus was built on Golgotha, just outside the city.

200: Roman Emperor Severus forbade religious conversions to Judaism.

Persecution of Jews by Christians:

Initial persecution of Jews was along religious lines. Persecution would cease if the person converted to Christianity.

Dates and events

306: The church Synod of Elvira banned marriages, sexual intercourse and community contacts between Christians and Jews.

315: Constantine published the Edict of Milan which extended religious tolerance to Christians. Jews lost many rights with this edict. They were no longer permitted to live in Jerusalem, or to proselytize.

325: The Council of Nicea decided to separate the celebration of Easter from the Jewish Passover. They stated: “For it is unbecoming beyond measure that on this holiest of festivals we should follow the customs of the Jews. Henceforth let us have nothing in common with this odious people...We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews…our worship follows a…more convenient course…we desire dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews…How, then, could we follow these Jews, who are almost certainly blinded.”

337: Christian Emperor Constantius created a law which made the marriage of a Jewish man to a Christian punishable by death.

339: Converting to Judaism became a criminal offense.

343-381: The Laodicean Synod approved Cannon XXXVIII: “It is not lawful [for Christians] to receive unleavened bread from the Jews, nor to be partakers of their impiety.”

367 – 376: St. Hilary of Poitiers referred to Jews as a perverse people who God has cursed forever. St. Ephroem refers to synagogues as brothels.

379-395: Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of synagogues if it served a religious purpose. Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire at this time.

380: The bishop of Milan was responsible for the burning of a synagogue; he referred to it as “an act pleasing to God.”

415: The Bishop of Alexandria, St. Cyril, expelled the Jews from that Egyptian city.

415: St. Augustine wrote “The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus.”

418: St. Jerome, who created the Vulgate translation of the Bible wrote of a synagogue: “If you call it a brothel, a den of vice, the Devil’s refuge, Satan’s fortress, a place to deprave the soul, an abyss of every conceivable disaster or whatever you will, you are still saying less than it deserves.”

489 – 519: Christian mobs destroyed the synagogues in Antioch, Daphne (near Antioch) and Ravenna.

528: Emperor Justinian (527-564) passed the Justinian Code. It prohibited Jews from building synagogues, reading the Bible in Hebrew, assemble in public, celebrate Passover before Easter, and testify against Christians in court.

535: The “Synod of Claremont decreed that Jews could not hold public office or have authority over Christians.”

538: The 3rd and 4th Councils of Orleans prohibited Jews from appearing in public during the Easter season. Canon XXX decreed that “From the Thursday before Easter for four days, Jews may not appear in the company of Christians.” Marriages between Christians and Jews were prohibited. Christians were prohibited from converting to Judaism.

561: The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France.

612: Jews were not allowed to own land, to be farmers or enter certain trades.

613: Very serious persecution began in Spain. Jews were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years of age were taken from their parents and given a Christian education

692: Cannnon II of the Quinisext Council stated: “Let no one in the priestly order nor any layman eat the unleavened bread of the Jews, nor have any familiar intercourse with them, nor summon them in illness, nor receive medicines from them, nor bathe with them; but if anyone shall take in hand to do so, if he is a cleric, let him be deposed, but if a layman, let him be cut off.”

694: The 17th Church Council of Toledo, Spain defined Jews as the serfs of the prince. This was based, in part, on the beliefs by Chrysostom, Origen, Jerome, and other Church Fathers that God punished the Jews with perpetual slavery because of their responsibility for the execution of Jesus.

722: Leo III outlawed Judaism. Jews were baptized against their will.

855: Jews were exiled from Italy

1050: The Synod of Narbonne prohibited Christians from living in the homes of Jews.

1078: “Pope Gregory VII decreed that Jews could not hold office or be superiors to Christians.”

1078: The Synod of Gerona forced Jews to pay church taxes

1096: The First Crusade was launched in this year. Although the prime goal of the crusades was to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims, Jews were a second target. As the soldiers passed through Europe on the way to the Holy Land, large numbers of Jews were challenged: “Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die!” 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed in the first Crusade. This behavior continued for 8 additional crusades until the 9th in 1272.

1099: The Crusaders forced all of the Jews of Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set it on fire. Those who tried to escape were forced back into the burning building.

1121: Jews were exiled from Flanders (now part of present-day Belgium)

1130: Some Jews in London allegedly killed a sick man. The Jewish people in the city were required to pay 1 million marks as compensation.

1146: The Second Crusade began. A French Monk, Rudolf, called for the destruction of the Jews.

1179: Canon 24 of the Third Lateran Council stated: “Jews should be slaves to Christians and at the same time treated kindly due of humanitarian considerations.” Canon 26 stated that “the testimony of Christians against Jews is to be preferred in all causes where they use their own witnesses against Christians.”

1180: The French King of France, Philip Augustus, arbitrarily seized all Jewish property and expelled the Jews from the country. There was no legal justification for this action. They were allowed to sell all movable possessions, but their land and houses were stolen by the king.

1189: Jews were persecuted in England. The Crown claimed all Jewish possessions. Most of their houses were burned.

With a history like this, it should be easy to see why Jews have no desire to convert to Christianity, or accept Jesus as their Messiah. The history of Christianity against Jews is vicious, cruel, unfair, hateful, discriminatory, hypocritical, and satanic, and does not represent the love of Jesus. People like this are open to lies from others, since their minds are already blinded by their own lies.

Modern European and Christian Anti-Zionism

A new political movement led by Muslim women against “religious extremism” in Britain – redefinition of Israel, Infitada, Zionism, anti- Zionism viewing Judaism as “intolerant.” They do not, of course, see themselves as intolerant.

Issue of Palestine and Israel a focus for anti-Semitism, disguised as Anti-Zionism.

“Holocaust denial” meets and feeds leftwing anti-Jewish sentiment.

The New Age and pagan worlds nourishes an animus against the Jewish God who is seen as the source of all oppression.

Identification of a kind of Wiccan or Gaian paganism with a new “Christianity” from which the Jewish element has been purged. In the women’s spirituality movement with its reclaiming of goddesses, Britain

Alignment of atheistic non-Jews in Britain with Palestinians against Israeli Jews, despite the obvious homicide bombings and attacks on Israelis by Palestinians.

“Zionism,” unfairly condemned as “racism” or “Nazism

‘A new anti-Zionist theology espoused by influential churchmen … highly anti-Israel articles appear in Christian papers … from December 1987 to April l988 no leading Christian journals carried a positive article about Israel.”

Censorship by the New Zealand Church of all references to Zion and Jerusalem in the new Psalter and liturgy. The “new championing of the Palestinian cause to the exclusion of historical truth and any semblance of objectivity” declares that “a common factor in the Christian Aid and YMCA/YWCA approach is that they show no sensitivity to Israel; suffering or concern with the harm done to Israel or Jews.”

The second conference of Jewish, Christian and Muslim women in Britain broke up in disorder and distress. Muslim women had stated that they forbade any mention of the Holocaust or Shoah. They believed such mentions would be used to justify the State of Israel and to deny the sufferings of the Palestinians. In fact some Christian women did mention the Holocaust. Immediately all the Muslim women walked out and the conference was a disaster. (Maybe the Muslim women were not fit to be there)

Support for the Intifada and for a “two state” solution is a cause espoused by the Left and radicals of all kinds in Britain, including feminists.

“Holocaust denial.” A so-called Centre for Truth in History has been created, and sent out from there are well presented, but false, material to libraries, colleges and universities throughout the country. The most dangerous is the Leuchter Report, which “proves” that no gas was ever used at Auschwitz and no Jew died there.

Israel being equated with the Nazis instead of compassion for the Jewish victims.

The feminist movement, which is atheistic and godless in nature, unless it is a pagan deity, demands that all Jews should feel individual and collective “guilt” for the actions of the State of Israel, and sees all actions as evil, rather than justified as self-defense. Murders and lies by Palestinians are ok.

The Spare Rib affair in 1982-83, where this most long-standing of feminist journals did not allow Jewish women to publish any replies to attacks on them unless they specifically declared they were anti-Zionist.

Continued silencing of Jewish women – 1987 publication Race and Class – an analysis of “identity politics,” – an attack on Jewish feminists, by an anti-Zionist woman, Jenny Bourne . Bourne’s analysis contained much inaccurate data, was badly biased and tendentious. – received a wide acceptance.- a refutation by Jewish women was ignored.

Jews are still being blamed to some extent “for the death of the Goddess,” – the “Great Mother” – part of feminist movement and a rebellion against the man’s male God, which Judaism supports.

Synagogues today daubed and violated by Muslims in Britain– even with shreds of glass inserted into door handles; that Jewish schools have to be guarded day and night against attack; that petrol bombs have recently been thrown at the Sinai Reform Synagogue in Leeds and the Heaton Park synagogue in Manchester, while the Grimsby synagogue was daubed with the words “Kill the Jews Liberate Palestine.”

Muslim demonstrations in London – the Shield of David with the word Jew beneath it was equated with a swastika and the word Nazi.

A group of “Christian Pagans” now exist who declare that Judaism is accursed. They carried a huge cross and held a Wiccan style ceremony using the cross, and referring to a kind of “Celtic spirituality.” They specifically made the point that such Christianity discards all Jewish elements.

Apostate Christianity also allows for many distorted interpretations of scripture. The replacement theology mindset believes that the scriptures before the time of Christ had nothing to do with Israel, but only represented the church. They have completely removed Israel from God’s plan, and have arrogantly claimed that the “Church is Israel.” This flies in the face of what God has promised natural Israel, which is that His covenant with them is an everlasting covenant, and that He will totally never abandon His people, even when they are being punished. Replacement theology is satanic, rejecting the rights and destiny of natural Israel. Natural Israel will be saved, whether the replacement people believe it or not.

< Lust for Arab Oil >. Many European nations are too dependent upon Arab oil. Since they have abandoned God anyhow, they do not think anything of sacrificing Jewish blood to please the Arabs, in order to keep their oil agreements in place. They forced long delays in the initiation of the Iraq war so that Saddam Hussein had plenty of time to hide, or remove, the already documented weapons so that Coalition forces could not find them. Europeans are so determined to keep their oil supplies coming, that they have also turned their backs on the USA’s anti-terrorism efforts. Europeans would rather sacrifice their liberty, and Jewish and American lives, and keep the oil. They are selling their very souls for something used to control them.

What does Anti-Zionism mean?

There is a strong correlation between the acceptance of atheistic thinking, rejection of the one true God, the pursuit of hedonistic and pagan lifestyles, acceptance of Muslim propaganda and homicidal, criminal behavior, and the rejection of Zionism.

This is because Zionism represents the prophetic end time re-gathering of the Jews as the time of Messiah approaches. It is clear from ancient prophesies that the Messiah will come to save his people from their enemies in the end times. He logically cannot save them, if they are not there yet.

Anti-Zionism is satanic in origin. Satan has for thousands of years worked through people to destroy the people Israel, and prevent them from occupying their Promised Land. Because once they are all gathered there, the Messiah will come and destroy the works of Satan. To attack Israel is to attack God’s plan for the Messiah, which will, and is, the only hope for survival in a looming nuclear holocaust future. To destroy Israel would be to support the work of Satan, and one’s own final destruction.

Anti-Zionism – Jewish self-betrayal…..Click here for more

Anti-Zionism – ancient Arab Roots…… Click here for more

Zionism : Man’s Idea or God’s Plan?…. Click here for more

Israel’s Divine Right to the land…… Click here for more

References:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_pers1.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_antisemitism

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:lekOM2EWAfYJ:www.asphodel-long.com/html/anti_judaism.html+christian+anti-zionism&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=18&gl=us


57 Responses to “Anti-Zionism – Roman and Christian (Western) roots”

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  2. EXCELLENT post, Marianne!
    Thank you- keep up the good work!
    Amber

  3. Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. All equal in Him.That settles it.

    • What is your point with this verse? There are a lot of verses in the old and new testament where the Lord speaks about Israel its purpose and destiny. Yes we are all equal in Him, but as men and women have different purposes and positions, and so it is for bond and free, the same is for Jews and Gentiles. If we deny God’s plan for Israel we are denying His promises and mercy. Israel has a very important work to do in the last days, if the rapture occures before the church won’t be here, then it will be Israel turn to work for the Lord.

  4. Greetings and Allahs mercy to all Muslims, and Non-Muslims
    I am going to argue on the basis of anti-zionism today.
    1. Your records/history up there goes back almost 2100 years ago, you are going to try and enforce something that happened over 21 centuries ago? I am not saying that whatever you have written above is either true, or false, but it happened a very very long time ago. If you want to argue about what happened hundreds of years ago, I can tell you the story of Zachariyah (Peace be upon him), when the jews cut his body in half, from the torso upwards. Or the amount of hatred the jews had for our beloved prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
    2. Israel has been put there by the UK to propogate and destroy Palestine, as part of the Zionist regime
    The Zionists want to destroy Palestine, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and the rest of the middle east, what is happening around us today? Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and some parts of the middle east have been invaded by the Zionists, h=and they have stolen oil, money, and brought many calamities upon innocents
    Why do the zionists want control of the middle east? Because, as stated in many books, the antichrist will emerge from the middle east, from zion, hence the name zionists
    And you, as jews, and christians, and people of the books, you are going to follow these people?
    The zionists will be the ones on one side of the army, and the jews, christians, and muslims will be of the other army, and we will fight the antichrist, yet Marianne, you are promoting the zionists?
    3. The jewish people and the christian people have been divided a lot, there are many sects within the jewish and christian religion, only one of each of these sects will assists the muslims in the great war, likewise, there will be 72 sects within islam when the antichrist comes, but only one of them will fight. So, correct yourselves before you correct others
    The christian, and jewish religions have been infiltrated countles times, and the original scripts have been altered to mislead you, by the zionists
    The only true script which remains is the Qur’an
    So try and learn and study some of our religion, then you will see the peace it brings, all muslims should be terrified by the great war, and all muslims should pray to Allah and ask for his forgiveness, and ask him that not even his grandchildren are born in the time of the antichrist, this is said clearly in many texts.

    So, Marianne, unless you are a non christian, and you want to follow these Zionists, get your facts right, for the sake of Argument

    The rockafellers, and worth $50,000,000,000,000 (50 trillion), do you know the head of there family is a zionist?
    He locks himself in a room for 6 hours a day, meditating with satan, and asking him what to do. The satan tells him what to do, and he does it for him. This is zionist culture
    They are luciferian
    And it is proven, google it
    And many of the followers of the books choose to follow these people, and not follow their books

    • Hi Khan,

      I answered you here:

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/anti-zionism-ancient-arab-roots/#comments

      blessings
      marianne

    • I make no greetings or blessings on any to you with your evil lies and teachings here Khan for evil they are and lies they are and Islamiist and Leftist/fascist revisionist propaganda you are spewing to turn someones hatred of Jews, Gods people and His Beloved word into the sewer that the koran, hadiths and surah have done. I won’t even think of prducing the filth in these books to prove or disprove the foul destructions Islam has made on the earth for it is enough to know that those who curse the Lords’ people the Jews or His Christian Witness will themselves be cursed and those who change one jot or tittle of the Words of either the Old or New Testament Oracles of God will have their name taken out of the Book of Life which is the last warning in the Bible to all men!

      Islam has only ever been violent and full of hate, rape and killing and you continue to do so as you promote it daily on yourselves now as the headlines are showing brother against brother etc, fullfilling scripture that you would turn on yourselves. As the Prophet Joel describes your lands are a garden of Eden before you Mohammedans have come on them and behind you is left lands of desolation. You destroy everything you touch for their is no learning or growth that you have that is good that is come of your hands but any good or learning has always been stolen from the peoples you conquered for you who come from satan cannot think good thoughts and thereby your lands are dieing. Look around you and you will see the Prophet Joel and Ezekiel 38 and 39 described your darknes and dust you become.

      You Islam and all muslims who unite in your evil hatred of your neighbors whoever they are shall know the wrath and judgement of God for all your unjust violence and hatred, but, even now you are warned and have been given a moment to repent of this great evil and turn from your wicked way that you have taken and warn others of the deadly condemnation you may not return from without repentance and turning to the Lord for forgiveness and salvation.

      I call no blessing on evil you bring at any time but, pray as many of Islam may repent and turn from your evil Satanic master so as many as possible might be saved for your judgement as nations is come.

    • Khan

      Is Allah God?

  5. Dear Marianne,

    If the Christians did the same crime (as Muslims) to the Jews, then i believe we are all sinners and we will all answer to GOD in the end of days.

    Regards,
    msu_74

    • LUCIFER comes to chaNGE THE times & seASONS…………
      iN THE bIBLE IT SAYS THAT G-D CHANGES THE tIMES & sEASONS
      tHE cOUNIL OF nICEA ChANGED G-d’s times & seasons
      yeSHUA WAS not BORN ON dEC 25TH- THE pOPULAR pAGAN GOD- mITHRAS WAS- -SO THE cOUNCIL cHAnged it to be Jesus’s B’Day to make pagans & Christians in Kingdom happy
      (in other words had Teachers that itched their ears)-it was a Political Move-Passover was Changed to Easter-after pagan goddess Ashtar etc
      We are NOT allowed to change G-d’s times Seasons Feasts & Festivals- to be pagan instead
      It says in the Scriptures that there is a Purpose for His Times
      Think about it
      All Major Events in the NT by Jesus was on a Scriptural Feast or Festival of Israel (JEWISH)
      Jesus & AL His Apostles taught to keep away from Idolatry-that means pagan things-& that there was No New Laws (mitzvot)- that the Torah Laws remained the Same as before- but correctly taught by His Son Yeshua

  6. http://adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

    This link explains why so many hate God and Christianity. I am against all these sins also but to have the attitude these hypocrites have is not Christlike.

  7. this history of the Jews in Europe was oversimplified. What has to be seen is that Europe had many conflicts and wars and was invaded by Islamic Conquests, where in, Spain, the Jews were used by Islam as prison guards over Gothic Spanish Catholics and many Christians died by the Jews obeying orders of the Islamic Caliphate. So the history is a distortion, in other words stacked as merely propaganda, not history in it’s true context of many nations of Europe.

  8. The initial relationship of israel to Rome!

    The First Book of Maccabees Chapter 8-The Apocrypha

    1 Now Judas heard of the fame of the Romans, that they were very strong and were well-disposed toward all who made an alliance with them, that they pledged friendship to those who came to them, 2 and that they were very strong. He had been told of their wars and of the brave deeds that they were doing among the Gauls, how they had defeated them and forced them to pay tribute, 3 and what they had done in the land of Spain to get control of the silver and gold mines there, 4 and how they had gained control of the whole region by their planning and patience, even though the place was far distant from them. They also subdued the kings who came against them from the ends of the earth, until they crushed them and inflicted great disaster on them; the rest paid them tribute every year. 5 They had crushed in battle and conquered Philip, and King Perseus of the Macedonians, and the others who rose up against them. 6 They also had defeated Antiochus the Great, king of Asia, who went to fight against them with one hundred twenty elephants and with cavalry and chariots and a very large army. He was crushed by them; 7 they took him alive and decreed that he and those who would reign after him should pay a heavy tribute and give hostages and surrender some of their best provinces, 8 the countries of India, Media, and Lydia. These they took from him and gave to King Eumenes. 9 The Greeks planned to come and destroy them, 10 but this became known to them, and they sent a general against the Greeks and attacked them. Many of them were wounded and fell, and the Romans took captive their wives and children; they plundered them, conquered the land, tore down their strongholds, and enslaved them to this day. 11 The remaining kingdoms and islands, as many as ever opposed them, they destroyed and enslaved; 12 but with their friends and those who rely on them they have kept friendship. They have subdued kings far and near, and as many as have heard of their fame have feared them. 13 Those whom they wish to help and to make kings, they make kings, and those whom they wish they depose; and they have been greatly exalted. 14 Yet for all this not one of them has put on a crown or worn purple as a mark of pride, 15 but they have built for themselves a senate chamber, and every day three hundred twenty senators constantly deliberate concerning the people, to govern them well. 16 They trust one man each year to rule over them and to control all their land; they all heed the one man, and there is no envy or jealousy among them. 17 So Judas chose Eupolemus son of John son of Accos, and Jason son of Eleazar, and sent them to Rome to establish friendship and alliance, 18 and to free themselves from the yoke; for they saw that the kingdom of the Greeks was enslaving Israel completely. 19 They went to Rome, a very long journey; and they entered the senate chamber and spoke as follows: 20 “Judas, who is also called Maccabeus, and his brothers and the people of the Jews have sent us to you to establish alliance and peace with you, so that we may be enrolled as your allies and friends.” 21 The proposal pleased them, 22 and this is a copy of the letter that they wrote in reply, on bronze tablets, and sent to Jerusalem to remain with them there as a memorial of peace and alliance: 23 “May all go well with the Romans and with the nation of the Jews at sea and on land forever, and may sword and enemy be far from them. 24 If war comes first to Rome or to any of their allies in all their dominion, 25 the nation of the Jews shall act as their allies wholeheartedly, as the occasion may indicate to them. 26 To the enemy that makes war they shall not give or supply grain, arms, money, or ships, just as Rome has decided; and they shall keep their obligations without receiving any return. 27 In the same way, if war comes first to the nation of the Jews, the Romans shall willingly act as their allies, as the occasion may indicate to them. 28 And to their enemies there shall not be given grain, arms, money, or ships, just as Rome has decided; and they shall keep these obligations and do so without deceit. 29 Thus on these terms the Romans make a treaty with the Jewish people. 30 If after these terms are in effect both parties shall determine to add or delete anything, they shall do so at their discretion, and any addition or deletion that they may make shall be valid. 31 “Concerning the wrongs that King Demetrius is doing to them, we have written to him as follows, “Why have you made your yoke heavy on our friends and allies the Jews? 32 If now they appeal again for help against you, we will defend their rights and fight you on sea and on land.’ ”

    It is very telling that it was Rome that destroyed the Temple in 70 AD and that it was the Roman Christian Church that slaughtered, persecuted, and tortured the Jews in Europe. Kind of sounds like the direction America is heading, don’t you think??

  9. hey all you Bible ignorant persons you show to all your own bigotry and ignorance as there is no one single new testament verse from even Jesus or the Apostles approving of the Jewish return to Zion.. you can easily show me as being wrong here or what you cannot?

    • thenonconformer who calls who Bible Ignorant and then asks only for texts in the New Testament O foolish man!

      I realize it will mean nothing to you to read these scriptures for you only foolishly asked for New Testament texts and not the old which has hundreds for the Prophets do not lie as does not Gods Word but your implication that God has lied and does not mean to keep His word to Israel or any of us needs to be answered. For your age shows little wisdom or study of the Whole Word of God! Shame on you though I give you a few of the New Testament and suggest you read all of Romans and then all of the Bible thoroughly.

      “I say, then, hath God cast away His people? God forbid?” (Romans 11:1)
      “For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” (Romans 11:29)
      “For mine eyes have seen Thy salvation, which Thou hast prepared before the face of all people; a light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of Thy people Israel… Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel… ” (Luke 2:30-34)

      “And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:20-21)
      “Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for His name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up.” (Acts 15:13-16)
      “…Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” (Luke 21:24)
      In Romans 11:25-26, Paul declares:

      “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part if happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.”
      “Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?… For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?” (Romans 11:12-15)
      “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in now wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:17-18)

      There are many Old Testament prophecies, which have not yet had their fulfillment, and cannot in all honesty be explained away as having been spiritually fulfilled through the first coming of Christ. The New Testament also makes clear reference to prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled. Only in the light of these New Testament verses do the as yet unfulfilled Old Testament prophecies make sense. For example, it was spoken by Simeon at the birth of Jesus:

      “For mine eyes have seen Thy salvation, which Thou hast prepared before the face of all people; a light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of Thy people Israel… Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel… ” (Luke 2:30-34)

      It should be evident from such verses that Jesus would be first a light to the Gentiles and cause the fall of many of His own people, but afterwards He would become the glory of Israel and cause the rising again of many in Israel. Such New Testament promises underline that all the glory God has promised through the prophets for Israel in the latter days will indeed be revealed:

      – The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid. (Isaiah 11:6)

      – The people shall beat their swords into ploughshares. (Isaiah 2:4)

      – The nations shall come up to Jerusalem to learn the ways of the Lord. (Isaiah 2:3)

      – The Lord will be King in Jerusalem and reign on His holy hill. (Psalm 2:6)

      – Israel will be back in her land that God promised her as an everlasting possession. ((Isaiah 11:10-12)

      – Righteousness and peace will flow like a might river from Jerusalem and cover the earth like the seas. (Isaiah 11:9)

      – The Lord will become the glory of His people Israel. (Luke 2:32)

      These are but a few of the prophecies, which have not yet been fulfilled, but are promised by God. As Jesus said:

      • “…Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” (Luke 21:24)

        In Romans 11:25-26, Paul declares:

        “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part if happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.”

        Here the same point is stressed: the completion of God’s purposes with the Gentiles marks the beginning of His renewed grace to the people of Israel. After the time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled, after the fullness of the Gentiles has come into the kingdom, then all Israel will be saved – the “times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.” (Acts 3:19)

        “Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for His name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up.” (Acts 15:13-16)

        The Jewish people know that these are to be the fruits of the coming of the messiah, and thus find it difficult to believe that He has already come since these things obviously have not yet been fulfilled. We believe, of course, that the messiah has come once; and we join Paul in rejoicing at the restoration of Israel, for we know that it signals the return of the Messiah and the fulfillment of all the prophecies, for:

        “When the Lord shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory.” (Psalm 102:16)

        For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? Or who hath been His counselor? Or who have first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto Him again? For of him, and through Him, and to Him are all things: to Him be glory forever. Amen. (Romans 11:32-36)

        • Marie Jean,

          Thank you again for your unceasing defense of Israel to those who are foolish and untaught? Yah bless you in all of your endeavours.

          Contuined Blessings to you in Messiah

          • You are always most kind Al. God Bless you indeed and all Israel who once again stands in the front lines of this last great assault on the freedom of the world at the Lords’ return.

            Adam below; I constantly speak with the Lord from first waking to sleep and speak with and of Him in the personal Lord Jesus and our Father in Heavan so forget oft times when speaking with others to be more word specific, but, I also assume that most people on a Messianist/Christian site assume this understood and do not always expect us to use the original Hebrew or Greek which would bring in many more names for our Heavanly Father and His Son Yeshua than you and I have named which are merely English words and express the hearts discussions for expedience sake. Thank you for the correction though we are both using only the simplest expressions of Gods’ and His Sons’ many affectionate and true names that express His greater relations to us and all His Creation.

      • MJ
        You say the lord will be king. The lord in OT is God and Psalm 2 tells us that Gods king Jesus the Messiah will be king not the lord. The lord in NT is Jesus.

  10. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/my-hearts-desire-and-prayer-to-god-also-is-for-israel-to-be-saved/

  11. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/jews-arabs-none-of-them-politically-correct/

  12. Interesting; a tradition was said, “that when the Torah was offered to the nations of the world they turned it down,” …..”no, we have our own gods and rules, yours are too difficult.” Then a thousand years later, several nations said, “wait, wait, wait, we will take up your offer now.” But it was too late. So the nations and their people through various eras in history decided to create their own facsimile of the original offer so as to not be left out.

    ……………………contemplate the rest of the story.

  13. As I see it the evangelical and Conservatives to me they sadly are liars who have no New Testament backing for what they do or say as well. God does not demand first fruits or tithes any more.. he wants a willing giver.. not a forced one.. you can give to God anything you want..

    You need rather to obey only the New Testament commands now if you are a real Christian.

    The New Testament Israel, which is clearly identified in the new Testament as the body of Christ, the Church, this Church has no present territorial land ambitions on earth rightfully still… not even in the present, or the near future. Jesus himself clearly said my Kingdom is not of this world… but of the next.

    Israel as being supposedly the Chosen group today is rather also a clearly distorted emphasis too, for do note this there is no one New Testament verse, by Jesus himself or the Apostles, there are rather many contradictory ones, there are now verses confirming the present restoration of the land of Israel, or Israel’s rebuilding of it’s temple, or not this also especially a separate means of Salvation for the Jews outside of accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior individually like everyone else has to as well.

    What you need to know about the Nation Of Israel today… Jews and Arabs have common ancestry. Both trace back to the Biblical family leader Abraham. Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Isaac also had two sons, Esau and Jacob Jews today live in nearly every nation on earth as a result of the Babylonian captivity and the Roman expulsion. And there is absolutely not one New Testament verse, justification for “Zionism”, the Jews returning to their ancient homeland, the Zionist movement that eventually resulted in the re-establishment of a nation of Israel in 1948. Neither Jesus or any of the Apostles of Jesus had ever promised, or discussed, confirmed the re- establishment of the Nation of Israel. There will be no peace In Israel until the Prince of Peace is accepted by the Jews.. What about the land? Romans 4:13 says that Abraham’s seed (which is Christ and those that are in him) inherits the world. Ephesians teaches that Jew and Gentile become one new man in Christ and Ephesians also calls the Church the chosen (1:11). The Church is not Gentile, but Jew plus Gentile. Paul, in Romans says “There is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all and merciful to all who call upon him.” The Church or Christianity is a Jewish movement at its root and should not be separated from its Jewishness. Paul taught that one is not a Jew who is one outwardly, by the circumcision of the flesh but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, by the circumcision of the heart. How is it that this is so badly ignored by the Zionists? Paul says that all of the promises to Israel are fulfilled in Jesus. In 2 Corinthians 1:20 we read “All of the promises are in HIM (Jesus) yes and amen.”

    (Mat 23:38 KJV) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Both Jews and Palestinians allows. continually do have a right to self existence, to have their own lands, and both they do even have the same, equal human rights now too here on earth today. And yet people try to have us all now take sides .. wrongfully too and why?

    (Mat 5:43 KJV) Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

    It is God’s clear will that these brothers, all of the sons of Abraham, both the Jews and Palestinians do always live together in peace in the same land as well… or anywhere else too and none of that cannot be denied as not being now God’s will too

    I support rightfully today still neither of these groups , especially not their unholy wars or even in their separate Holy wars , promised land claims now too, and I would also ask all to rightfully still that even both sides to show some love, decency, restraints towards each other now too and always. This is not an option

    Divine sovereignty of Jesus is the way out of the tangled mess that is the Arab-Israeli conflict, but attempting to bring this about by human means will always, always turn out to be a costly error.

    God, however, repeatedly declares that the only way to resolve the contention over Jerusalem is the return of Jesus Christ, God himself to establish His just rule over it and all the earth:

    » The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

    (Psalm 133:1 KJV) Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

    • thenonconformer

      I agree that that area will never have peace until the Messiah comes, again.

      The NT does not have to repeat every promise or scripture of the OT for those passages to still be relevant.

      There are promises of God for the end times in several books of the OT that include Israel as a nation for that time period. There are also promises that God would return the Jews to their homeland, and they would be returning from lands who treated them cruelly. I do not have a post on this, so maybe I should.

      Jesus did not cancel the Jewish right to their homeland, he merely described the punishment that was coming due to their rejection of Him. Jews have always lived in Israel since that time, but they were under different occupations of different empires. Even during the time of Jesus, they were under Roman rule.

      Considering the odds against them, they would not be there now, unless God allowed it.

      The conflict between arabs and jews now is more caused by outside elements that have infiltrated the region.

      I have been to Israel and the arabs and Israelis get along well, mostly. the arab children go to Israeli schools and hospitals. The emergency crews work together from both the palestinian side and the israeli sied. There is food and provisions going into Gaza all the time. Some of the arabs are actually in the IDF, serving Israel. I have seen the arabs and jews mingle in the streets of Jerusalem, selling their wares. I have a friend who rode one of the arab camels for fun. We ate food in both the jewish and arab quarters.

      I went into a palestinian town to get a hamburger, there is a MacDonald’s there, and everyone there was nice to me.

      And I have been there more than once, and one time I was there during the Infitada….like I said, the real atmosphere there is cooperative, not hostile. The palestinians have HAMAS, which stirs up trouble.

      The bible said that Israel belonged to the jews, but that non jews were welcome there, to live in peace. this is what the people there are trying to do.

      however, the world, USA, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and others in Europe have all decided that Israel belongs to them, and they are interfering.

      With all this mess, only God can fix what man has ruined.

      I also agree with what you said below about the sad state the church is in…which is why I stay away from it.

  14. What does this even mean for the current world Christian Jewish situation exactly?

    It means that we need to remove form our priorities the old testament and the from the discussion the claim that modern day Israeli’s have a Divine right to the land, too because they do not! Having said that let me say this. I am not taking sides with the Arabs against the modern day Israeli’s. It is a complex issue that needs to be worked out without giving in to the Zionist view that God is a racist because he favors the Jews and that they are his chose people. Jesus is the chosen one and the one in whom the Father is well pleased. Christians do not need to be biased toward Israel in this discussion, but need to work lovingly toward peace and justice. ”

    1 I really think most sincere New and old Christians are totally still ignorant of the what Bible actually says and they also tend to initially Blindly and loyally assume that the old testament distortions about Israel’s claim to the promised land are valid today.. and continue to thus they do show their ignorance of the Bible.

    Me I am an old Christian and now I know my Bible personally better so I do not accept these much too many lies being spread from the pulpit.. Too many preachers too are (1 Tim 4:2 KJV)

    Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

    50% of Sermons Are Not Biblical “Preaching the Gospel is not acceptable to living it. All pastors still do need to read the Bible for one hour a day at least, and pray for one hour a day at least. Almost 80 % of them do not. At least 50 percent of Church and TV, Internet sermons thus are unbiblical because most pastors do not use or read the Bible itself. Great, big Church pastors even steal their sermons from others as I have witnessed firsthand too.

    I interviewed personally 45 evangelical pastors in one city, Calgary Alberta, and none of them even used the Bible in their counseling ministry with their members and adherents. We have too many impostors, hirelings in the Ministry, bad persons not directly called by God to minister and that is why they also do cheat, lie, steal, commit adultery, tax evasions and abuse others, slander as well.

    I also rightfully really do think that “dispensationalism” itself is from the pits of hell and the last 40 years too .. my first church was a closed plymouth bretheren one with their dispensationalst doctrines, while no denomination is perfect, and while there are many christians there, there are also many non christians there, and this church is still mostly a WASP cultural one.

    And God has already blessed the Jews now also with the gospel of Christ, and now they have to accept it or personally go to hell for not doing so.

    (Mat 1:21 KJV) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    (Luke 1:68 KJV) Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

    (Luke 1:77 KJV) To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

    • Jesus stated he will have mercy on whom he will have mercy. What arrogance you have Sir.

      After over 1900 years Israel has been reborn. The prophecy fulfilled. To show G-d keeps his promises.

      You read like the 4th century Universal Church.

      • SOME WOULD SAY THAT “There are promises of God for the end times in several books of the OT that include Israel as a nation for that time period. There are also promises that God would return the Jews to their homeland, and they would be returning from lands who treated them cruelly. I do not have a post on this, so maybe I should. Jesus did not cancel the Jewish right to their homeland, he merely described the punishment that was coming due to their rejection of Him. Jews have always lived in Israel since that time, but they were under different occupations of different empires. Even during the time of Jesus, they were under Roman rule. ” But that is a false conclusion, interpretation , it is trying to put the OLD into the NEW but still Replacement theology is valid and all the old testament promises now belong solely to the Church, the Christians and not TO the Jews.. The New false dispensationalist religion invented by Rev John Darby that is only 200 years old and not 2000 years old that STILL FALSELY tries to say otherwise is UNDENIABLY from the pits of hell.. even anti Holy Spirit as well.. STAY WITH THE NEW TESTAMENT, THE HOLY SPSIRT AND NOT WITH THE FALSE TEACHER JOHN DARBY OR SCOFIELD.. Dispensationalism is a system of theology that was first popularized by John Nelson Darby, 19th century British evangelist and forerunner of modern Christian fundamentalism. The false Scofield Reference Bible, written by Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, popularized dispensationalism in the United States. The world’s Jews must return to Israel for a dispensational interpretation of prophecy to be fulfilled. To facilitate that process, dispensationalists have been leading groups of pilgrims to Israel since Falwell’s first visit in order to win financial and political support for settlement activity. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/

  15. The fact is, a great number of pastors today no longer believe the New testament has anything to say of relevance to this postmodern age. Majority of Pastors do not study the Bible,, New testament, they preach from books.. so is it any wonder that even the church too now is adrift on a sea of troubled waters?”

    “Yes, on an apostate church which does not desire to hear the Word of God preached,meaning hearing from Jesus Christ himself but which runs after “feel-good” junk food.”

    “How many times have you ventured into a church and the pastor/elder said, “Today we will just pray and wait upon the moving of the Holy Spirit.” I day say, seldom if ever. If the Holy Spirit is not in your church, then there is something seriously wrong in that assembly. Could it be sin in the pulpit?”

    To get more income most of the pastors too often have water downed the requirements of what it means to be saved, and the requirements to join a Christian church

    If the Senior Pastor of the church is still crooked so next mostly will be the people he selects to lead in the Church in reality.

    (Mat 3:7 KJV) But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

    (Acts 7:51 KJV) Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

    (Mat 21:13 KJV) And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

    Many persons want to receive more from God, Jesus, the Holy Sprit, but still few persons now are willing to pray the price? There is a price?

    1: you personally do have to seek God with your whole heart.

    2: you personally have to present your whole body, including your will, mind, emotions, sprit unto God first.

    3: you personally do have to forsake all and follow solely after him..

    4: you personally must abide daily in prayer and in God’s word the Bible

    • Actually, all I have to do is accept G-d’s love. Called the word made flesh. G-d does the rest with an imperfect human. One that will never be perfect until given it’s just rewards in Heaven.

      The tone in which you write is without love, and compassion. You throw the Bible at a web site. Do you understand what it means to love one another, as G-d loved you?

      It’s almost as if you are angry. Is there something that bothers you other than paganism in the Church? Has this world, and it’s murder caused you to lose your faith?

      • 70 PERCENT OF PASTORS TODAY ARE STILL SELF CENTERED, UNHOLY, NOT CALLED BY GOD EVEN. NOW JESUS EVEN TOL THE RELGIOUS JEWSIH LEADERS HOW CORRUP THEY ARE AND NOTHING HERE TOO HAS CHANGED.. THEY HATED JESUS FOR TELLING THE TRUTH. The subject of sin is not popular even with a lot of professing Christians cause they know they are unacceptably still far away from God so they are in captivity to their sins still.. and to the devil too. The subject of the holy spirit even as well is not popular even with a lot of professing Christians cause they know they are unacceptably still far away from God. They now sadly even do walk in the wilderness rater than in the promised land as a result. REALITY. GOD IS ANGRY WITH THE SINNERS EVERYDAY OR DID YOU SLEEP THROUGH THAT SUNDAY SCHOOL LESSON TOO?

        • true, but the remnant is the true church, which does not follow these corrupt pastors.

        • Like I wrote before. Your all caps show me to close to being correct about you.

          I would write, most on this website know G-d better than you, and are filled with the Holy Spirit.

          You have a problem.

          • (Gal 6:1 KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

            (Prov 9:8 KJV) Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

            (Prov 13:1 KJV) A wise son heareth his father’s instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.

            (Prov 24:25 KJV) But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.

            (Prov 27:5 KJV) Open rebuke is better than secret love.

            (Eccl 7:5 KJV) It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.

            (Gal 6:2 KJV) Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

            (Gal 6:3 KJV) For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

            (Gal 6:4 KJV) But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

            (Gal 6:5 KJV) For every man shall bear his own burden.Your judgmental attitude shows you have a long way to go before you even see heaven

            (Gal 5:19 KJV) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
            22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
            24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
            25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

            I heard firsthand one teenager saying to another teenager , “I cannot trust you, you lie to me all the time” and this next had made me reflect upon the reality that the average person lies 3 times in every ten minutes of conversation, and it also reminded me with my past years of undeniable abusers I often encounter who had lied to me all the time, by not admitting the truth first that there was a problem, nor next honestly admitting the cause of the problem…

            Now it was interesting I had met this really crooked head elder and head deacon in a Baptist church, not just in the Pentecostal churches, where there too their elders and deacons, tend to be pretentious ones ( for when was the last time you saw an elder giving food, money to the poor persons in the church as was done in the book of Acts?) .. even such as the one who was an elder and owned a bar that served alcohol of all things, and who borrowed money from others in the church for his business and then refused to pay it back too, he also next ran to be a local politicans but lost now.. .. and told me if I come to his church he would call the police against me, but the same bad church I next rather had helped to close down permanently , for I had the federal government remove their tax exempt license after I had exposed in writing to news editors, elected officials too their much too many unacceptable abuses, money thefts, slanders, etc.,

            Now a Baptist pastor had cheated, for he had short circuited the elders, deacons church selection process, he had the nominating committee first, before any selection submit the names to him for his prior approval of their supposedly spiritual qualifications and he thus by thes emans had elected his bad friends.. one Sunday evening as I was leaving the church and shaking hands with the pastor, he unexpectedly said to me “ this is my church and if you do not like it get out”.. shocked and surprised I said to the pastor if I have offended you let me meet you now this week Tuesday night and you can bring any two witnesses you want as well and we can discuss the matter. So he agreed and I knew that he would bring the head elder and the head deacons.. as I walked into the pastor’s office on Tuesday day night, the founding church pastor said immediately to me wipe the smirk of your face.. so I immediately said.. hey pastor let us also now make this quick, “Did you or did you not say to me this is my church and if you do not like it get out?” And you should have seen the shock on the deacon and elder’s faces. The pastor seeing this too next said you cannot hear any charges from this man for I am a senior and if you listen to him I will resign. I said “Pastor if you want to resign, do so, but cut of the emotional black main and answer the question”.. he resigned instead, and became a life insurance salesman rather next..

            But now I still had a problem with the crooked head elder so I tried to first talk to him about his immoral acts and lack of spirituality, he admitted to me that he had no time to read the Bible even.. but it was useless to talk to him for he laughed me off. So next the elder came to see me and said “you know when you told everyone about my lack of spirituality it did not bother me, it was your word against mine, but when you next had put it in writing to all to see it hurt”.. and I said back to him.. “is that what it takes to cause you to rightfully repent?” seems people tend to believe the truth only if it is in wring these days.. and ever since that day I have also next been posting unacceptable, unrepented of sins of many, many a bad pastors and elder on the net but few of them next repented, less than 5 percent next, some of them even moved rather out of town instead.. and many were rightfully fired next.

            Not surprisingly many prideful people try to take the place of God in my life too, AND these imposters claim even that they have been chosen, designated by God to command over me, THAT I am required into forced submission to their whims, desires , commands and teachings. But funny God now himself has not revealed those facts as well to me BUT only to them. I put my trust in God and not in mere man.. So your useless opinions of me do not even pay my Salary, God alone does that.. .You a control and all who would falsely try to dominate, control me, all claiming that God has appointed them to these roles.. they all can dream on. We all are to submit ourselves solely to God, to Jesus and the Holy Spirit.. who guides us, leads us into all truth. Jesus Christ is still the head of the Church, Churches! 1 Pe 1:5 who by God’s power are protected through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

            Now you are even cursed if you are under any human covering but God.. There are any number of untold horrors that lurk for those who step outside God’s covering.. It is Jesus Christ that protects us. We are protected by the Holy Spirit through faith. There is no mention anywhere in scripture that submission to authority is required for spiritual protection. Demand for coverings are a spiritualized protection racket, an extortion scheme where some offer in return you their spiritual “protection” services.

            Any submission is reciprocal, mutual, based on one’s free will still.

            Dictatorships anywhere are all still demonic. God’s chosen leaders still cannot force any one into submission, for all submission is even mutual, voluntarily, willingly, unenforceable and all leaders are to be exemplary now firstly too and not rather HERE mere commanders or dictators I know that this forced submission emphasis, demands are a false attempts by these overly perverse, ambitious, crooked persons, bad pastors and bad religious persons now included too, for these persons and mere persons who do want now by such means to attempt to self prosper, to grow richer, to advance themselves over others still have no good concerns for me. They are slave drivers.

            Slavery was abolished a long time ago too. Let me be very clear about that I am a slave to no man but to Jesus Christ himself, alone. I serve no man, especially any of the clearly foolish, perverted ones, and I take orders from no man, I do not have to do what they desire or try to command me to do at any time too. No matter if they still do wrongfully think otherwise too. I am still only God’s slave and not any man’s.

            Bad pastors that I have too often encountered now main objective is to control, rule over even silence the flock through fear and intimidation. In this despotic, institutionalized church system where disloyalty to or disagreement with the pastor or leaders is viewed as the same as disobeying God. Questioning the pastor on doctrinal statements becomes equal to questioning God. After all, the Pastor is the authority, and authority is always right. These pastors even try to commit their objectors to mental institutions. Sadly in real life both God, Good and bad preachers coexist but presently the bad preachers seem to outnumber the good ones 2:1

            God’s ideal of a real Church now would be where everybody was just one big happy family of brothers and sisters behaving in love , decency, honesty too… but even many homes, families do not have this and why? The devil, sin and self centeredness, false pride run the homes and many churches, church pastors now too. Prideful, ambitious, control freak, pompous Satan and his earthly followers do hate the way God has redeemed us from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:13; 5:18 ) and hate us being freed, free in Jesus Christ, our blood-bought freedom too.

            Satan is really delighted now to see all the enslavements, abuse , chicanery and robbery going on in his rather den of thieves masquerading as a true church or a house of God! When you’re about to be thrown out onto the street for lack of rent money, you just try to get one of those tithe-collecting tycoons to share with you the way the first century Christians did with those in need. Yeah, right, he’ll “PRAY” for you, that is, if you can get past his entourage of ushers.

            Matthew 7:15, 16 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits

          • All of the Loyalty should be to Jesus Christ alone, the Word of God! There is no hierarchy in the body of Christ, where every one has their own function, the apostles, prophets, pastor have a function, even the deacon has a function, the elders as a whole has a function. One member in the body of Christ is not more important than another. They all have a function. Romans 12:3-6 says, “ For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. Having then gifts differing according to grace that is given to us. Sadly the role of pastors and deacons in the churches today does not match the role of deacons set forth in the book of acts.

            1John 4: BELOVED, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

            Colossians 2:8 “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

            2 Timothy 4:3,4 “ For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

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            SATAN Wants You even today. The same very busy devil who haunts the Las Vegas casinos, Church Bingo Halls, Lottos, who often even in churches wears a nice suit and tie to look respectable enough to con you out of your money, with half truths too, and with the false promises of earthly wealth in exchange for “your sacrificial gift.” Wonder how he got his suit too? He wants also you, he wants to net you, to fleece you, and for you be diverted, to miss the boat, he does not want you on the straight, narrow path that next also leads to Heaven, rather he wants you on the broad path that leads to hell. He clearly does not want you to live by faith in God to look after you, rather he wants you to do your own thing, for you to look after yourself. Don’t trust God he says, trust in others, trust in the Apostate Church, and in the crooked preachers too, or trust yourself rather. Trust even the too often bad Preacher these days who first Wants His Cut. He the preacher now also does wants to know What’s in it for him? Preachers seem these days to be always hollering about how everyone must submit to THEM, it is a one way enforced submission and not rather rightfully a voluntarily , reciprocal mutual one, and pay up, pay the tithe , or they’ll roost in Hell for all eternity. The same too often false PREACHERS who refuse to submit to others and to the whole Word of God especially.

            Telling the truth and sharing ALL the counsel of God as the Apostle Paul did (Acts 20:27) can be very costly with the preachers losing not only control of the money but CONTROL over people’s lives, and the false gratification it brings to their too often already swelled egos too. Satan likes to have the church members stranded in the Old Testament paying of the of tithe that next will be too often abused by the too often bad pastors now as well..

            God took the initiative to have a great church by imparting His good Holy spirit gifts to all, these mostly Gentile converts now too. But some how along the way these gifts and the related gifted men and women they have next too often been neglected, abused, distorted.. and many people these days in the churches even need to be he rescued them from these kidnappers. Preachers too often also falsely say do what I say and not what I do.. especially not the bad things.

            Go to the preacher for help and think you really are going to get it next? Often not now too unless you FIRST give money, your full “tithe” to Him? the preacher’s palm firstly still does even needs to be greased with a lot of money? But don’t even expect the help to be real, valid next too. I myself always prefer to go to God alone rightfully still and not any preacher. If your are laid off, sick, unemployed, poor and there just ain’t much money to be gained from you don’t expect to be welcome back to most churches these days, I mean social /Cultural/pride clubs, not really Churches.

            Jesus himself did not live off the proceeds of tithes, So now why all the fuss over one or two isolated and misapplied verses ABOUT TITHING in Malachi 3? I Tim.2:5 which states that there is only ONE Mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus. And not some other human being that must now accepts his direct representative, supposedly on God’s behalf. And NOWHERE in the New Testament does God even authorize him to take up, spend any of tithes in His Name. “Spiritual tyrants would demote us from our exalted place in Christ and relegate us to being tribute-paying peons who work and slave to build THEIR religious empires. The false Tithing preachers do radically alters our relationship with God, from being His child receiving His favors solely through His grace in Christ, to some hard-nosed “prosperity partnership” whereby God only dispenses answers to prayer in exchange for cold, hard cash. “

            Prideful, ambitious, control freak, pompous Satan and his earthly followers do hate the way God has redeemed us from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:13; 5:18 ) and hate us being freed, free in Jesus Christ, our blood-bought freedom too. Satan is really delighted now to see all the enslavements, abuse , chicanery and robbery going on in his rather den of thieves masquerading as a true church or a house of God! The devil and the too often bad pastor claim they knows what’s best for the flock so they’d better not take their freedom in Christ too seriously. Satan laughs at the sheep being able to hear the Voice of the Good Shepherd for themselves (John 10:27) he would rather would rather have them listen to some amusing preacher who perversely usurps the place of God the Father in their lives. These leeches also lay heavy burdens on God’s sheep , heavy burdens God never authorized! Satan and his bad preachers continues to rob God’s people of their identity, self worth, of BEING sons of God, made free in Christ, part of the House of God. “Instead, that honor is bestowed on some multi-million-dollar cathedral funded by TITHES AND OFFERINGS (freewill offerings are fine when necessary to meet REAL needs like feeding the poor and for missions, etc). Satan would far rather get Christians obsessed with remodeling the “sanctuary” (an Old Testament term) to the point where they neglect the care of poor Christians (God’s TRUE house).

            Admittedly, Christians must meet SOMEWHERE, and it might not be workable for the saints to assemble in private homes as they did in the First Century. But the local sheep shed must never be a white elephant on the backs of God’s people who are called to liberty. The REAL truth is the BODIES of God’s people ARE the real House of God (see I Cor.6:19). Today’s tithing doctrine is an indigestible invention of carnal greedy religious wolves. Tithing creates resentment and jealousy in the Body of Christ. Tithing turns smiley preachers into shiny-shoed tyrants Don’t you think the good Lord has feelings too, and preachers oughta treat His property with respect? Through the Tithing Lie, satan has created a class system of cliques in what originally was a church knit together in the love of Christ, sharing and caring one for another AS EQUALS (Acts 4:34-37; 2 Cor.8:13-14). Those ancient Christians actually shared their possessions with one another. I can just hear some pious preacher yelling that today that means only SPIRITUAL possessions, and hands off HIS Ferrari coupe! “ The devil just loves this division of haves and have-nots in the institutional church…and the way I see it, life’s way too short to give credibility to the cold, dead institutional church by paying the tithe tribute to it “

            ” When you’re about to be thrown out onto the street for lack of rent money, you just try to get one of those tithe-collecting tycoons to share with you the way the first century Christians did with those in need. Yeah, right, he’ll “PRAY” for you, that is, if you can get past his entourage of ushers. ” Who likely first will say your are poor cause you alone are at fault, are in sin or the lying, bad preacher will say you did not give the money to me, you gave it to God and God alone now, next is the one who will pay you, help you.. such hypocrisy too.

            Tithe givers and tithe Collectors live high on the hog while the poor “pew Christians” struggle to keep food on the table, a roof over their heads. (I Cor.12:5) Jesus clearly FORBADE the hierarchy (bottom-to-top pecking order) in His Body. He said in Matthew 23:8: But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and ALL YE ARE BRETHREN. Early Christians gained a reputation among non-believers for loving one another and being charitable toward the poor in their midst. But that is clearly now how it is these days, these days the privileged few “in ministry” fatten themselves at the expense of the struggling wage slaves out in the pews. Instead of being tenderly cared for by so-called shepherds, poor “pew Christians” get threatened that God’s gonna sick satan on them for failure to pay the preacher his cut before buying groceries and paying the rent. Satan now loves to see their kids go hungry while poor Christian parents pay tithes “by faith”, sacrificing the thin sliver of income left after rent, transportation and utilities are taken care of. God is NOT not at all pleased with any of such religious persons.
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            There are yes there now are still too many false sheep who worship those too many crooked evangelical pastors too dressed in nice suits. Not trying to impress anyone, or showing off I next went to a new church dressed in my clean, regular daily clothes. I next too was surprised when no one said hello to me nor did they great me, and a few services later this continued to happen. So I prayed about it and to my surprise God said they were harlots, prostitutes. Embarrassed at this revelation I decided I would fully proof for myself this was true. So next Sunday I put on a white shirt, tie, nice black pants, and a white sports jacket and most everyone said hello to me. Incidentally the same thing happens to me on the bus as well.. Why? Also the very same pastor of this professing Christian church dressed there in a nice suit who also did not talk to me as well was next charged with abuse, slander, lying, misappropriation of church funds, and was eventually fired. Now these days when I see these peacock members, deacons, ushers strutting around church in their fancy suits trying to impress the others , it causes me to be sick to my stomach still. It would be better if they used the money rather to help the poor and needy in their own church.

          • For we are Christ’s Royal Priesthood (I Pet .2:5,9) and who are ALREADY seated with Christ in heavenly places (Eph.2:6) and these too often false preachers now would demote us from being freed, slaves of no man, and also from being Royal priests before the Lord.

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            Deut. 12:32: What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: THOU SHALT NOT ADD THERETO, NOR DIMINISH FROM IT.
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            (Eccl 10:8 KJV) He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.

            (Eccl 10:9 KJV) Whoso removeth stones shall be hurt therewith; and he that cleaveth wood shall be endangered thereby.

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            I have absolutely no doubt that many Canadian evangelical pastors included now are falsely lying, unacceptably misrepresenting the Biblical truth, pressurizing, twisting the arms of members and adherents to regularly tithe to their storehouse, to the Pastor’s benefit, so the pastor can live high on the hog now.

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            (1 Thess 2:2 KJV) But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention. 3 For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile: 4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloak of covetousness; God is witness: 6 Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ. 7 But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children:

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            Too often now the preacher still wrongfully tells the flock he’s their sole, responsible spiritual daddy and thus he always does knows what’s best for them, so now also they would better not take their full freedom in Christ too seriously and next try to do anything without consulting, obeying the preacher in all things too..

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            It is still not the preacher who is the head of the Church, Jesus Christ alone is, and it is still the Holy Spirit himself who will lead and guide you into all truth.. for the preacher job rather firstly is to lead us to God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit.

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            When expounding the truth, the Bible the bad preacher often wears colored glasses it seems that say “What’s in it for me”, says the preacher too?

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            So long as the preacher wears a nice suit, no matter how or how much he paid for his suit he is a good preacher it seems

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            Many Preachers do seem count on your ignorance of the Word of God as they often do also try convince you you’re way too dumb to argue with them, for God has spoken to them directly on the matter, and if you challenge them they tend to ignore you or kick you out..

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            (1 Cor 11:3 KJV) But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

            (Eph 4:15 KJV) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

            (Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

            (John 14:16 KJV) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

            (John 14:26 KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

            (John 15:26 KJV) But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

            Gal. 5:4: Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

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            The death of Jesus Christ ushered in a new, and far better, covenant, making ALL OF the Old Covenant obsolete (Col. 2:20-22; Heb.8:13). Christians are not under the Law (Gal.5:18). The Law of Moses WAS, is a package deal. If you TRY TO NOW “covenant with God” to keep tithing, or any part of the Law of Moses, you make yourself a debtor to do the whole Law (Galatians 5:3). and instead of bringing a blessing, the tithing could make you fall from the grace of God, which would bond you to the application of the whole law and thus falling from grace means you cease to rely solely on Christ’s Sacrifice of Himself for your sins next to remain justified before a just and Holy God. You began your spiritual journey by faith and you also still do have to continue it by faith (Gal.3:3). Any religious act, regardless of how “holy” it seems, performed to earn or keep salvation, likley now next would be a one-way ticket to hell! Tithing thus also is the stumbling stone to the modern churches. Reliance on works of the Law is deadly, contrary to the saving faith in Christ!

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            Gal.3:10: For as many as are of the works of the law are UNDER THE CURSE: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in ALL things which are written in the book of the law to do them (This includes such ordinances as circumcision, animal sacrifices, keeping the Sabbath, the Day of Atonement fast, letting your beard grow, covering every container in your house (Numbers 19:15)!
            Verse 11: But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

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            Verse 12: AND THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
            Verse 13: Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

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            “Preachers are committing sin by adding Tithing on Wages, NOWHERE taught even under the Old Law! Preachers latch onto the ten per cent figure because it seems like a good idea, regardless of what God thinks. But they neglect the Israelites’ third-year tithe taken to feed the poor (Deut.14:28-29).

          • It must be hurtful to your false pride that many people have agreed with me about the bad pastors.. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=118831141620631&set=a.116351848535227.1073741828.116347701868975&type=1&theater

          • The person Who trusts God Rev GEORGE MUELLER OF BRISTOL
            Rev George Mueller and his method of financial collections

            (1 Thess 2:2 KJV) But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention. 3 For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile: 4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloak of covetousness; God is witness: 6 Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ. 7 But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children:

            A TRUE Faith Ministry, trusts in God to supply all of the needs , and not rather being weak in the faith, by starting a tax exempt and a marketing commercial Corporation, even selling Books, tapes, video and things, aalso now openly begging, begging, begging OTHERS FOR MONEY.. with false posts like like this.. ” I have incorporated as a nonprofit under the name “A Christian Ministries, Inc.” This is a pretty hefty step for me. It takes what has been a full time hobby and gives it legs to maybe be a full time full time endeavor into the future. Ultimately, the goal is for ACM to be self-sufficient, paying for itself off of book sales and products sold to churches, etc. At this time, however, donations are helpful. If that is of interests you, you may use the Paypal/credit card link on the ACM web page. “

            “I rightfully still do not endorse any Christians adds, anyone, any person, any organization, any Church now trying to make any money from the gospel, or begging, asking for money or even any of the adds here. I also do not endorse any of Bibles, books, tapes listed here for sale too. Jesus said as we have freely received so we are freely to give. Hirelings in their greed and visible lack of faith don’t do that. I do believe we should have the faith for God to supply what anyone needs freely to anyone who needs it. “Rev George Muellar did.”

            Faith Ministries and the EXAMPLE OF Rev George Mueller

            The proper Christian Example- “No More Rich Seat/Poor Seat . George became the pastor of a small church in England. The church wanted to pay him a good salary from the money it received renting pews to rich church members who sat at the front of the church. (Poor members had to sit in the “cheap” seats in the back.) George told them that this had to stop if they wanted him to be their pastor. Even so, he did not allow the church to pay him a salary. He trusted God to meet his needs, and God did. George and his family never missed a meal and were always able to pay their rent. George began to sense, however, that God had something else for him to do. Praying Food into the Home. Each day as George walked the streets, he saw children everywhere who had no mom or dad. They lived on the streets or in state-run poorhouses, where they were treated badly. George felt God calling him to open an orphanage to take care of the children. George prayed, asking God to provide a building, people to oversee it, furniture, and money for food and clothing. God answered his prayers. The needs of the orphanage were met each day. Sometimes a wealthy person would send a large amount of money, or a child would give a small amount received as a gift or for doing chores. Many times food, supplies or money came at the last minute, but God always provided without George telling anyone about his needs. He just prayed and waited on God.. More than 10,000 children lived in the orphanage over the years. When each child became old enough to live on his own, George would pray with him and put a Bible in his right hand and a coin in his left. He explained to the young person that if he held onto what was in his right hand, God would always make sure there was something in his left hand as well.

            Do you see any similarities between George Mueller’s and the Apostle Paul’s decisions to follow Jesus? How did George change after he became a follower of Jesus?
            What did Mueller mean when he told the orphans to “hold onto the Bible in your right hand”?
            Describe a time when God has answered your prayers and provided for you or your family.
            Do you live by faith in God, to provide your needs, or do you rely on others, your job, your own efforts still? “
            ( Ironically many of his present supporters beg for money, sell his Books also to make money, instead of praying.

            “HOW TO ASCERTAIN THE WILL OF GOD
            1. I seek at the beginning to get my heart into such a state that it has no will of its own in regard to a given matter. Nine-tenths of the trouble with people generally is just here. Nine-tenths of the difficulties are overcome when our hearts are ready to do the LORD’s will, whatever it may be. When one is truly in this state, it is usually but a little way to the knowledge of what His will is.

            2. Having done this, I do not leave the result to feeling or simple impression. If so, I make myself liable to great delusions.

            3. I seek the Will of the Spirit of God through, or in connection with, the Word of God. The Spirit and the Word must be combined. If I look to the Spirit alone without the Word, I lay myself open to great delusions also. If the Holy Ghost guides us at all, He will do it according to the Scriptures and never contrary to them.”
            George Mueller 1805-1898 – from the classic biography of George Mueller, “George Müller of Bristol,” — by A. T. Pierson

            (Luke 14:26 KJV) If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

            (Luke 14:33 KJV) So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

            Rev George Muller, famous founder of the Bristol orphanage, was one of the best-known early Plymouth Brethren figures . Mr. Muller also had a public falling-out with Darby. Those who sympathized with Darby became the “Closed Brethren” and those who sided with Muller were known as “Open Brethren.” The two strains of Brethrenism endure even today. A It was Rev George Mueller who had introduced D L Moody to the Plymouth Brethren, and it seems when George Muller of Bristol came up against the Dispensationalist doctrines of the Brethren movement, he severed all connection with it.

            All pastors, they can merely live by faith in God to provide and now discontinue from giving out tax receipts on all donations and thus be free to speak as any ordinary citizen can. The Bible does not prohibit them from doing this now as well like Rev George Mueller did too.

  16. SOME WOULD SAY THAT “There are promises of God for the end times in several books of the OT that include Israel as a nation for that time period. There are also promises that God would return the Jews to their homeland, and they would be returning from lands who treated them cruelly. I do not have a post on this, so maybe I should. Jesus did not cancel the Jewish right to their homeland, he merely described the punishment that was coming due to their rejection of Him. Jews have always lived in Israel since that time, but they were under different occupations of different empires. Even during the time of Jesus, they were under Roman rule. ” But that is a false conclusion, interpretation , it is trying to put the OLD into the NEW but still Replacement theology is valid and all the old testament promises now belong solely to the Church, the Christians and not TO the Jews.. The New false dispensationalist religion invented by Rev John Darby that is only 200 years old and not 2000 years old that STILL FALSELY tries to say otherwise is UNDENIABLY from the pits of hell.. even anti Holy Spirit as well.. STAY WITH THE NEW TESTAMENT, THE HOLY SPSIRT AND NOT WITH THE FALSE TEACHER JOHN DARBY OR SCOFIELD..

  17. Now had most fundamentals evangelicals actually read their Bibles, known the Bible instead of wrongfully listening to the so called Bible teachers, false preachers, bad teachers they would noy have easily deceived to neglect the present full empowerment available of all believers by the Holy Spirit… Is 2:22 Cease to trust in [weak, frail, and dying] man, whose breath is in his nostrils [for so short a time]; in what sense can he be counted as having intrinsic worth?

    Yes many Jews today are struggling for all of the Land of Israel that no longer has been Biblically Promised to them..

    Very clearly and simply too there is not one verse in the New Testament that states now even after the Roman destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, and their scattering of the Nation of Israel worldwide, of a promise of the Jews restoration of the land of Israel, or even the city of Jerusalem being freed, and Jerusalem itself will only will be free after the Second Coming, the return of Jesus Christ for his bride, the Church, the true Christians.

    Now had most fundamentals evangelicals actually read their Bibles, known the Bible instead of wrongfully listening to the so called Bible teachers, false preachers, bad teachers they would have easily known that it was so.

    The sole one verse that is falsely often referred too Luke 21:24 as a supposed proof of the restoration of the Jews, Israel clearly still has nothing to do with the restoration of Israel. Do now Read the Bible for yourself now in the actual context, even in the context of the the future New Heaven and New Earth, New Jerusalem solely forthcoming to all of the true Christian believers now as well

    This is not the only place of much too many that Dispensationalists are wrong in now too..

    So if any Jewish or gentile person wants to be in the new Jerusalem they have to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and personal savior rather still too. For there is no other name given unto men by which they can escape from eternal separation from God, Hell. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-false-dispensationalists-dispensationalism/

  18. Do you know what it means to believe you are the only one who is correct. It’s called Arrogance. NOW THAT IS THE KIND OF REPLY I EXPECT FROM A SLANDEROUS OSTRICH.. INSULTING PERSONAL ATTACKS TOWARDS A PERSON WHO HAS BEEN A CHRISTIAN NOW FOR 50 YEARS AND A CHRISTIAN PASTOR FOR 30 YEARS FROM CLEARLY A BIBLE IGNORANT PERONS TOO.. TYHE FACTS ARE WHAT IS FOR DISCUSSION NOT YOUR FALSE JUDGEMENTAL VIEWS OF ME. Abused. One of my most often written about subject on the net.. even whether it is verbal, mental, physical abuses now too..The abuser too often tries to make the victim look as they are guilty ones, and that too is always unacceptable And who are these abusers? why is is that they so readily abuse others now too? They tend to be persons who have their own value system, and clearly also a lack of love for others, EVEN I NOW THAT NAME CALLING IS THE ACTS OF IMMORAL , REALLY DISTURBED PERSONS.. JEWISH LOVERS HAVE FOR A LONG TIME SPITTED THEIR WORDS OF HATRED AND NEXT FIST ME CAUSE THEY DO THAT TO EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT GIVE INTO THEIR FALSE WAYS. Abused. ironically some of the people claiming that someone else has been abusing them EVEN JEWS NEXT have been the major abuser themselves and that is why they are so conscious of the other persons supposedly abusing them.. another case of one’s need in dealing with the beam in one’s eye over the toothpick in the other persons eye.. AND the older they are the more hardship they personally do need to experience to change FOR THE GOOD NOW too…YOU CAN ASLO often notice the opposition political party accusing the governing party of abuse when they now also have done the same thing ? I also do know from observing others that anyone’s abusing a Christian can lead to one’s early death. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. (1 Cor 13:3 KJV) Matt 32:29 You shall love your neighbour as yourself.. and that means you will do him no harm now too.
    But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:22

    When the JEWISH LOVERS as well they cannot stay with the facts truths presented they rather falsely do have to go crazy on you personally instead They tend to imply the others the non alcoholics, are unspiritual, crazy cause they rather are so sensitive as to what you really are still firstly by their false diversionary personal attacks, approach? When you criticize or disagree openly some of these very bad evil persons one tends to get a false denial, a remark in response like you are crazy, you need professional help. They still really cannot face the reality there are things in their life that need serious, drastic changes. These people in denial are the ones who often need professional help for their own short comings, sickness. Their false denial, diversion, distortion does not change the negative reality about their own unacceptable acts. These People in the state of false denials, clearly also who lie often, they do now also tend to have severe personal, mental disorders next even cause one tends to eventually believe next ones own lies as being the truth, and they can no longer differentiate their own lies from reality, the truth. By their false denials Who is fooling whom? You cannot fool all the people all the time and now matter how smart you are there is still someone more wiser who can see the truth still too.. these bad, ignorant clearly unloving, Holy Spirit ignorant too persons they really should not even be on the net preaching to others till they get matured, wiser. Their Narcissistic, selfish, self centered Mental Disorders are too evident now even in these persons who falsely to dwell in self-absorption, fantasy, illusion, where she or he has exaggerated claims to talents, importance, or specialness, manifesting evidence of a need for constant admiration from others, a lack of empathy for all others, persistent in this too, have rigid personality traits and coping styles, clearly inflexible, do show a hypersensitivity to any criticism , defeat or negative realities thus they rather are pathological in denial by the their falsity, contrived replacement of the truths which they still must face eventually . These SEVERE PERSONALITY disorders are generally personally ongoing too even leading to more impaired social and/or occupational functioning and can make it difficult to pinpoint a clear dividing line between their pathology and their so called normality. Most of these people with their personality disorders may not perceive that there is anything wrong with their behavior and thus they are not motivated to change it. It is important to note that these personality disorders are considered to have their onset in late adolescence or early adulthood and they alone are responsible for it too. It is sad that there are so many childish, unloving, dogmatic, slanderous person, arrogant, even the pretend Christians who do falsely believe they are better than other persons now cause they have hold of one truth. Now if you do not agree with them, dare to oppose them in anyway they will go crazy on you, resort to a personal attack on you, calling you slanderous names, insulting you, falsely even trying to attack you as being immoral, demonic, an antichrist or what ever as they are in false denial to the real truth and why? their pride will not let them admit now that they have been deceivers and have been deceived..

    Again false Denial, it is very common when confronted with the truth the denier they often respond with a similar personal counter attack remark as ”you are crazy”. “I reject your reality… and substitute my own.” Their false denial, diversion, distortion does not change the negative reality about themselves still though. Sadly it is a negative natural human tendency to devolve into denial.” It’s not just a moral compass that’s lacking, but the ability to honest, or to stand apart. Denial often comes out of a false pride, a fear of being openly exposed as being wrong. Denial is a false convenient escape, excuse for inaction for persons now facing a situation that requires a decision or action that conflicts with his or her established past policy. Denial too often can be further disastrous upon themselves and others.. for denial is not seeing data at all or seeing it and coming to an erroneous conclusion within oneself. One’s false denial is often based on a false assumption of one’s past great success and often precedes their own severe personal failure next due to a personal disconnect with real life.

    • Nonconformer,
      Let me get this straight.
      If I am critical of your approach and theology, I am abusing you.
      But if you are critical of our approach and theology, you are correcting us??

      Oh bother! Shux! Oh dear!
      So we are to Love all, except the Jew? But are not the “jew lover’s” incapable of loving, only abusing? A false denial, then is not a denial at all, because it is false? bzzt! pop! puff! Does not compute, does not compute! SPLAT!

      Phew! sorry, I think I just lost my mind for a bit? What were you saying?
      Oh, never mind. Now I know why they call the dollar the “looney” up yonder..sorry Buck! (Humor intended)

  19. Jews ALSO NOW can be demon possessed and fall away from God. Ask God if you do not believe this is true.. Demon possession incudes a demon having direct/complete control over the thoughts and/or actions of a person possessed. What you do not believe a dog can return to his vomit? 2 Peter 2: 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. Matt 12: 43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

    Now Judas was a Christian,, follower of Jesus who became Demon possessed and next went to hell. you always have a free will and you chose what spirit you do still have next too. He who endures to the end shall be saved.. People who are not even filled, baptized with the Holy Spirit falsely want to teach someone who is? absurd! 1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. If you continue to sin the last verse does not apply. Casting a demon out of a believer is practised in many , many churches today as well, I have been to a few of them too. ..Like I said let the Holy Spirit teach you here not false men.. there is nothing good in men.

    Mark 5:1-20 is the definitive passage on demon possession and its effects in the Bible. Some of the details about demons the Bible reveals in this passage are:

    1. Devils want to be near dead human bodies or tombs (vs. 2, 3, 5).
    2. They can cause unusual strength (vs. 3-4).
    3. They can make a person unreasonable or immune to sensible persuasion (vs. 4).
    4. They cause excessive crying (vs. 5).
    5. They cause sadistic and masochistic behavior (vs. 5).
    6. They have an affinity for heights (vs. 5).
    7. They recognize Christ as “the Son of God” and appeal to Him (vs. 6-7).
    8. They know they deserve torment and dread it (vs. 6-7).
    9. They have names (vs. 9).
    10. More than one can possess the same body (vs. 9).
    11. They desire to stay in the same geographical region or “country” (vs. 10).
    12. They would rather indwell an animal body than none at all (vs. 12).
    13. They can cause animals to kill themselves (vs. 13).
    14. They desire to be in a body when it dies (vs. 13).
    15. They have a desire for water (vs. 13).

    Mark 9:17-29 gives us even more details about devils:

    16. They can cause dumbness and deafness (vs. 17, 25).
    17. They cause rabid animal like behavior (vs. 18).
    18. They can indwell from childhood (vs. 21).
    19. They cause suicidal behavior (vs. 22).
    20. They resist leaving a body and violently “rent” it while leaving (vs. 26).
    21. There are different kinds of devils. Some have more power than others (vs. 29).
    22. Some can only be removed by prayer and fasting of believer (vs. 29)

    http://kambulow.blogspot.ca/2013/06/the-possession.html

    • good description of demons

      • Hi. Blessings bestowed. The opening line of this blog entry poses a question as to whether Arabs should be singularly blamed for anti-semitism, as a device or segue – if you will – toward the main thrust of the piece, namely European anti-semitism. I just wanted point to the fact Arabs are Semites, or decendants of Shem, in the biblical sense, and Semites in the linguistic sense, also. For the most part those governing the state of Israel are not Semitic, but Japhetic, biblically speaking, and Japhetic in the linguistic sense, also, being Ashkenazi Jews and speaking Yiddish, a German, Indo-European or “Japhetic” language). Ironic, that. Best wishes.

  20. Hate speech today often means anything the Jews firstly hate to hear, especially the truth about themselves.. even the truth that

    GOD NOT ONLY KICKED THE JEWS OUT OF ISRAEL IN 70 AD.. BUT BECAUSE OF JESUS CHRIST HE CHANGED THE WORLD’S CALENDAR, PROCLAIMING HIS NEW ERA AND TODAY IS 2012 AD, AFTER THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST

    Today’s Jews are too quick to associate with the Promised Land of Joshua’s time. However, as per the conditions of the Bible , the New Testament and even the establishment of the State of Israel by the United Nations in 1948 it now raises many valid questions about that relationship validity. Still the state of Israel is big enough for both the Jews and Muslims to live together in peace too. So do all grow up and smarten up up. (Psa 133:1 KJV) Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

    Lasting peace can occur by all accepting our God Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior Love God, love others, be not drunk with wine, be filled with the Holy Spirit, do not lie or steal.
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-lies-of-the-false-Christian-Zionism-Movement/166907416793938?hc_location=timeline

  21. recent events in america

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/fellowshipofchristiansandjews/7-recent-anti-semitic-incidents-in-america-you-hav-o2bg

    1.
    Several weeks ago, a Jewish business owner in Westwood, California found a flyer under his door with swastikas and the words “Wanted” and “Warning” written on it. The business owner sought council at the local Chabad house.
    2.
    A professor scheduled to begin teaching at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign this fall posted several anti-Semitic messages on Twitter. After the kidnapping of three Israeli teenage boys in June, he wrote: “You may be too refined to say it, but I’m not: I wish all the (expletive) West Bank settlers would go missing.” The university has since revoked his job offer.
    3.
    Pro-Palestinian activists blocked an Israeli-owned ship from docking at the Port of Oakland in the San Francisco Bay Area last week. Their hope for the ongoing protests is that the company no longer schedules stops at the port.
    4.
    A Chicago Principal has been reassigned after anti-Semitic bullying took place at his school. In one of several incidents, classmates showed a Jewish student a photo of an oven and told the student to put on striped pajamas and get in.
    5.
    A county in the state of New York is calling for an investigation into anti-Jewish sentiments after a second incident of anti-Semitic violence occurred which left a local nursery “in shambles.”
    6.
    Anti-Semitic remarks were caught on video at a pro-Palestinian rally in Boston, where a man says: “They [Jews] will be back to the sea and this time Moses is not going to be here to open the sea. They better learn how to swim.”
    7.
    An Israeli woman in Coral Springs, Florida, was denied service at a local gas station and asked not to return by a Palestinian employee, who told her: “You guys are killers and your money is not welcome here.”

    • Satan is anti-semetic.
      Muslims are anti-semetic
      Martin Luther (The German) was anti-semetic.
      They belong to each other.
      Tommorow I will join an demonstration for Yisroel and against anti-semetism in Stockholm/Sweden.
      The whole world must unite against satan.

  22. My understanding is that the Jews in Israel today, regardless of their inherited ‘right’ to be in Israel, are actually false Jews and not real Jews. Most of them, from what i have read or seen, are not actually Hebrews at all but are from Khazaria; the Khazars took on Judaism in order to be safe, at a time when they were surrounded by Christians on one side and Muslims on the other — it is these bloodthirsty and cruel people — the Khazars, who have become the modern ‘Jews’ in Israel; this explains why they would set up the Irgun, which bombed the King David hotel, killing 56 British soldiers, in 1967. It explains why, all around the world, false Jews are, from positions of great power and influence in finance (Rothschilds, JP Morgan; Gioldman Sachs; Rockefeller — these groups alone control the MAJORITY of the world’s wealth) and media and communications and fraudulent government, pushing the world towards their next World War to eradicate the TRUE Christians from the face of the earth — and, through lesbian feminism, ‘multiculturalism’ and many other well-financed programmes, committing genocide against all those who are against them (mainly true, white Christians). Call me a neo-nazi or a ‘white supremacist,’ i don’t care: you are still inherently in error and/or manifestly ignorant. If you support the modern, athiestic, liberal Jewish status quo and — along with it — the fraudulent imposters in Israel — you will be answering to God why you chose to fight against Him and those who know Him, either this year or next but, assuredly, one awful day.

    • sam

      that is a false claim started by muslims,,….that jews in israel are false jews….that is to justify terror attacks against them

      those in israel are real jews, they suffer for their faith..they have the DAN testing to prove it

      they are no bloodthirsty or cruel….this is a lie that the terrorist spread as well….

      there are liberals everywhere, of every faith or non faith.

      it would be unfair to condemn the whole group for a liberal group within its ranks.

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