Ascension and the Little Bird – Dream
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Dream – what does it mean?
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A few nights ago I had a dream.
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I was dreaming that the rapture was going to be an ascension, a spiritual experience only, while we remained on earth, rather than a physical taking away of us in a glorified body.
(Or maybe this ascension was a different event?)
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The time was to be at 11 pm.
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When it came, a small beautifully colored bird came to me, and I felt peace and understanding.
Then midnight came, 12 am, and some who were expecting the ascension to be something else had missed it, and were distressed, thinking that it either did not occur, or they missed it.
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I went about my business and was happy, but concerned that others were so distressed for “missing it.”
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I have recently been reading debates about whether the rapture and other prophecy has already been fulfilled on the spiritual level, and there is no more events to anticipate.
I wonder if this debate has influenced this dream, or it has to do with something else.
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Maybe (?) there will be a time when we all wished we could leave, but there is a reassurance (spiritual ascension) coming from the Holy Spirit ( little bird) that we will be ok, in spite of bad events happening.
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What do you think?
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Heaven Awaits 
The rapture timing has generally been conceded as a pre trib rapture on man’s interpretation of the Gospel. Why interpret? Just accept what Jesus said in Matt 24, what must take place before the rapture or the Day of the Lord and Paul tells us again in 2 Thess 2-3. Why people can not accept what Jesus or Paul said is then I believe heresy. We are in the last days, false prophets are every where. There must be a great falling away and we will see the man of sin sitting in the temple in Jerusalem. If the Feasts of Israel are the Feasts of the Lord, then there is the answer. The 1st 4 Feasts Jesus has fulfilled, the next is the Feast of Trumpets. We will not know the hour or day but we will know the season. If you are not looking you will not go. When Jesus returns there will be no sun or moons but the believers will see Him coming from out in deep space, I may be wrong but that is how I read what Jesus told us. Praise the Lord
Anything is possible, the rapture is such a hot debate that splits Christians apart, even though it is not supposed to. We should not worry about such things as we might die before it occurs, at any rate, it will come when/if it comes, before, mid or post trib. My philosophy is Que Sera Sera, what will be will be. Come what may and I hope it does come soon.
Yes, the Church will apparently experience at least half the “Tribulation” before He calls us ‘outta here’, according to Matt 24! There are Scriptures that support either a pre- or mid-Trib Rapture, but I’m convinced there are more, for the latter. And I have a gut sense that this dream was more about the last revival, the end times Great Awakening, than just the Rapture.
The last great move of Holy Spirit, the greatest revival in all of history will reveal to us that we ARE truly ‘seated in heavenly places w/ Him’, and it just precedes some of the ‘scary stuff’ that will occur. ( Things do occur in the spirit realm first, before they happen in tagible reality.) If I recall, John Paul Jackson says that birds in dreams usually refer to revelation and impartation from God.
The ‘distress’ of many, seems to me an indication that many believers are waking up to the possibility that just having “said the prayer” doesn’t assure they’re automatically raptured…they could be left behind to endure much of the rest of the Tribulation. There is increasing awareness of our spiritual condition as individuals…thank God! Btw, we here are praying for believers to NOT MISS the coming revival. If they do – if they miss their visitation as many of Jesus’ earthly contemporaries did – they risk being part of the “great falling away”. Considering what is coming to the earth, we will NEED all the empowerment we can get to keep the faith and overcome; which in turn, will draw an unprecedented number of people to salvation.
It’s HARVEST TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe it is a revival like you said.
after all, when I was finished, I was still here on earth
uh, I’m stumped.
Is that okay?
How’s this? All good gifts are a gift from God. Would not the perfect knowledge of when the rapture is to occur be a gift? And as such, how can we expect that God will hold it against those who were not given the same insight?
In the mean time, look up, everything will be alright, eventually, for all believers in the Lamb, pre, post, and mid.
The other alternative is: wrong-tribbers are not praying hard enough, and they deserve to be spewed out of his mouth! Personally I’m a pre-wrather. Is there a category for that?
Symbols: a little birdy told you?
I am pre wrath also. I just call it post trib, pre wrath
I think that the scriptures are very clear, that the rapture cannot take place unless the day of the Lord happens, and cannot happen unless you see the man of sin. It also happens during Armageddon (revelation 16) (2 Thess 5)
In other words it will take place when the Lord is coming back in the air, just as Jesus said, After the tribulation, you will see the sun moon and stars darkened. Then a trumpet will sound and my angels with gather the elect from the four winds, therefore, when you see all of these events takes place, look up for YOUR redemption draws nigh (LUKE 21)
What happens then? The whole world will see Jesus (every eye will see him)
So whatever form the rapture takes, no will not miss it, at least by some sort of experience)
Your dream means that the people who teach the pre trib rapture are wrong and they might miss it–in other words, they are looking for the 1100 hour rapture, when it really takes place at 12 midnight(Gee just like the bridegroom comes in scripture)
The people in Paul’s day were also worried: did they miss the rpature? He assured them:
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Here Paul says that the day of the Lord cannot have happened unless you see the falling away and the antichrist in the temple. The words falling away here mean apostasy, so no, they do not mean rapture.
Some people make the case that the end time events already took place, and when that does not make sense, they spirituals whatever texts they do not agree with-preterism.
There are however,, many texts which speak of Israel being gathered back into her land and then being attacked by the antichrist. israel has in fact been gathered back into her land. And in fact Islamic forces to the north of her want to attack her.
God will give you peace either way
Hi Marianne,
Birds have meanings in the bible depending on color, type, etc. I just found this one website, there may be others but this seems like a good start. What type of bird, colors, etc. was the bird in your dream?
http://www.dreambible.com/dreamdictionary/o.html
i don’t know the bird type..just small like in the picture, but with more blended colors….not patches of color, but all blended together
This is an explanation of bible meanings of birds in dreams, etc,
from the site I posted above.
Birds in dreams usually represent trancendence and freedom as we overcome issues. Unusual or rare birds often symbolize very specific behaviors, attitudes, and thinking patterns we have. Like animals, bird symbolism is usually based the one characteristic of the bird that stands out most.
Birds
Birds in dreams are symbols for transcendence and liberation. Escaping boundaries and limitations. A symbol for progress towards wholeness and harmony. They are your goals, aspirations, and hopes. The type and color of the bird is very important in decoding the meaning (e.g. black birds or vultures are not positive symbols).
Blessings.& Peace!
this was a very sweet small bird….lots of blue, yellow, red, green all blended together..beautiful shiny feathers….very peaceful.. he looked at me like he knew me
Hi Marianne, Elle and all,
Thanks be to God for his manifold gifts and answers to us this wonderful day. Once again, I espy the gift of prophecy and understanding of mysteries within the bounds of this site. And thanks to all who courageously share here.
The meaning of birds in dreams as described by the linked site from Elle is wonderful, begging only the authority of that site, for none is specifically ascribed. Dreams interpretation however have only the one true authority, that is the holy spirit of God, who also is their authour. Yet I concur that the site link by Elle does indicate basic principles of dreams meanings, but the specifics must be left to God.
The bird in your dreams description, the glossiness of the feathers, and the many blended colours, and as in the pictures posted is most likely the superb starling, or that of the close relative, the Hildebrand’s starling, both species being very much alike and found in the same habitats, that is the Eastern regions of Africa, Ethiopia, Somali, Kenya, Sudan, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi. As the dream was in regard to the rapture, whereupon the Spirit impressed upon you what nature of rapture is to occur, one of spiritual awakening rather than physical transference from earth, know therefore that is the true position of the same spirit that guides you, and has the power to format your mind, and grant you understanding. Whether the matter was resultant to too much contemplation over the business of the rapture, the gift of prophetic dreams overwhelms such other doubts, for how should the element of a bird that you never saw before generate from your mind, and likewise the other parameters of your dream which most likely proved divers and averse from the former positions you held on the matter of the rapture. What also has this region of Eastern Africa has to do with the rapture awakening? For this little mystery bird is specifically native to these lands. It is called in the kikuyu language, the bird of the homestead, or plain, and will be found to live close to people like almost a domesticated bird. In some mythology, it is the bird messenger bird owing to its proximity to human habitations, and often is ascribed with wisdom as with its diverse colours.
This region of Africa was the cradle of civilization. Ethi-opia for instance in Sanskrit means the reservoir from whence the spreading out occurred. All the places of the earth were in the olden times named in Sanskrit, the language that described creation in its real form. The Nai-lu as in the river Nile means the leading water-body and such basic affirmations describe the true history of the world to have been based from the particular region of East Africa.
Habakkuk 3;17 enumerates essentially three species of flora that are anticipated to bear forth spiritual fruit. The first is the fig tree, the the Vine, and also the Olive. These have been the three generations of human spirituality. The vine is well compared to Israel and likewise also to the early church. As Jesus identifies to be the true vine, and in so many words, the gentiles as the wild vine, with the Jews as the original garden vine. When the dressed vine failed to bear forth fruit, the wild vine was grafted into the farm vine, but what if that too would fail to bear forth fruit? That branch is cut off and fed to the fire. The fig is the symbol for the ancient deep reaching wisdom that was the basis of God’s first dealing with earth. Religions that still hold the sanctity of the fig species essentially emanated from this period. The most widespread is Hinduism, but not as it is practiced today. Investigating Hinduism in wisdom reveals that indeed the parables and mysteries in it point to the real history of earth, and to the one true God. However, as with the bible, the Bhairav gita is greatly misinterpreted to results in numerous alien and false doctrines and sects, as we now witness in Christianity. Many African cultures esteem also the way of the fig tree, with even one culture and ethnic group of Kenya bearing this name, the descendants of the great fig tree, the Agikuyu people. In fact, the purity of the fig spirituality was preserved for many thousands of years among these people oral tradition until the 18th century and thereafter. But the spirit of God continues to witness by the ways established since ancient of times. For in September 2012, the falling and splitting into two of a famous centuries old fig tree, the Mugumo species, in Kenya was held to signify certain importance called the ituika, which in Sanskrit correspond to the itihasa/itiasa, which mean how things used to be, and thus it is said respectively. Whereas Kenyans generally have forgotten their traditions and their past, as most of the world also has, it is apparent that the spirit has not, and continues to witness by this medium. When the rest of the world anticipated Maya(illusion) prophecies in 2012, the reality did happen, that the world moved from one age to the next and final short generation. In fact, the Agikuyu generations enumerate to fourteen, as with the fourteen falls on the river that flows from God’s providence across te mountain of God, Kirima-Bhogo. The latter time spirituality of Earth is encapsulated in the Olive. Notably, the fig trees are a natural growers and were not to be cultivated. Such was the natural mode of receiving and perpetuating wisdom in ancient times by oral tradition. The vine must be cultivated and dressed for to bear forth fruit, and such too was the age of writing and a civilization of bloodshed and great human activity. So too is the Olive, whose fruit is really of curative value rather than sustenance, and must too bee cultivated, and at production must be beaten to bear forth the anointing oil. The treading of the fruit of the vine, and the beating of olives both must result in various levels of discomfort, and never were the ideal spiritual path to the knowledge of our loving Creator. That path only lies in the ancient ways of the fig in their perfection. The world must revert to this ancient way and original truth, the total dependance on God and His wisdom, and the rejection of own-cultivated defective traditions and ways.
I had no interest in African culture, albeit being in the midst of the same, actually until March this year when I was presented with the key to understand these ancient mysteries of the universe. My only sadness is that there is hardly anyone in my knowledge who desires to share in this knowledge in spite of its great marvels. I’m literally overwhelmed daily by the great reaches of wisdom of all the three spiritual generations entrusted to earth. We actually entered the 14th earth generation, and he last in September 2012, which in ancient reckoning was the first month of the year. The 13th had been entered a jubilee ago, in 1963, when yet another Mugumo fig tree had fallen and split asunder. When the Europeans were colonizing Africa, the ancients of the land had witnessed that era as having been the 12th. In specific descriptions, these eras date back all the way to the flood, to creation, and to the epoch of the spirits of darkness that once were the manifestation of darkness, formlessness and emptiness of earth before the intervention of God’s light at the biblical creation. Well, its quite a narrative, how it once was, but more important than the past is the present, and the future. The last age of earth, if it were not to be shortened, no flesh would be saved. This last age is the age of reaping what all along we have been sowing. According to Marianne’s dream the rapture occurs in the 11th hour (11pm), just before the 12th hour. I think this time has something to do with this current spiritual year that commenced September 2012, and culminates about the same month in 2013. July/August 2013 therefore would be the appointed time of the rapture, and thereafter the hours of darkness for all the poor souls who will still have rejected the illumination of God into their souls. The darkness of the midnight, and the 12th hour signifying the end of the year, as the darkness of Grecian time accounting also prescribes, would begin to cause the realization of cataclysmic events. I have many time tried to steer off the dating of cataclysmic events, for truly there is no glory in destruction but rather in repentance and forgiveness. However, the earth has a time appointed to her, and at the dawn of time, that which must be shall be.
So Marianne, I understand your dream to be pointing you towards your mystery bird’s origin so as to more clearly understand what the Lord is about to do upon the earth. There may be a lot more as the Spirit encapsulates great deals in a pin point, and its my prayer that you will soon come to that intended realization.
Much blessings
thank you john, for that rich and detailed explanation
this picture is similar in coloration, but the colors I saw were brighter, rather than dark
http://www.agefotostock.com/en/Stock-Images/Low-Budget-Royalty-Free/ESY-000821797
there was blending of colors, rather than patches of color.
blue, green, red, orange, yellow, violet
have not found exact match yet
I am looking for an exact picture
My 2 cents.
Let’s say that you were one of the original translators of Scripture into English.
So while you are in the process of this endeavour, you would utilize the various texts that were available as they did, like Jerome’s Latin Vulgate, the Textus Receptus, and other Greek text etc.
Also though unintentionally, you would be biased and utilize the present theology that existed during that time within that process of translation.
By that what I am referring to is, if there appeared to be some confusion in how to translate a particular passage, you as a translator would more than likely have it conform with whatever belief was prevalent at the time. This would be human and the only logical course of action.
Now with that in mind let’s look at Revelation 20:5.;
“But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.”
Before continuing based upon what is contained within Scripture, as well as the latter portion of this particular verse above, there are those of us that believe that a “rapture, gathering, ascension or resurrection” will either be a “pre, mid or post” tribulation event. As well, each individual that holds to a specific timing, can provide ample Scripture to substantiate their point of view and as to why they believe what they do. Hence the confusion and ongoing debate regarding this topic.
However, were the translators biased in their translation above? Did they translate into English the Greek correctly, or did they translate it to conform with the ideology that was prevalent during that time period?
The Greek text within the King James, in which the English “This [is] the first resurrection” was translated, was derived from the Textus Receptus and is recorded as “αὕτη ἡ ἀνάστασις ἡ πρώτη”, transliterated as “houtos prōtos anastasis”.
Houtos, (Strong’s 3778), is also defined as being “these”. Therefore the included [is] could have been [are]. Prōtos, (Strong’s 4413), is primarily defined as “(1) first in a time or place. (1a) in any succession of things or persons.” Anastasis, (Strong’s 386), would then be changed to that of consisting of plurality rather than singularity.
Therefore what was translated and written as “This [is] the first resurrection”, could very easily have been written as “These [are] the first resurrections”.
This then would mean that those that believe in a pre, mid and post rapture would all be correct rather than there being only one viable possibility.
Revelation 20:5 and 6., would then read as;
“But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. These [are] the first resurrections. Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrections: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”
Just my thoughts and something to take into consideration.
Be Blessed in Yeshua Melech Kavod.
Amen.
although i can see good scripture dividing in your posts, I have a reason why I think the rapture will be pretrib. This is because I see science, in concert with unholy plotters and greedsters, developing ways to control the inward thoughts of human beings. This is fast approaching zero tolerance, although it is not universally here yet. It is something foreseen by Orwell in 1984. If and when this takes over completely, there will be little wiggle room for Christians to maintain even their inner loyalty to the Lord, let alone the spirit of evangelization. It would appear the AC needs to revealed first, but this could happen at any time. Does the AC have to seat himself in the Holy Place before this happens, or does he have to be simply revealed? Christians disagree on this latter point. Some make the point that the Church must be removed in order for God to fully reopen the 70th week of Daniel. I am open to this thought but am not absolutely sure of it. In other words, I do not know if the AC as to be “seated” in a Temple for him to be “revealed” in intention.
I think with Stan Deyo that this world is a sort of computer program, a matrix if you will, and that we do constantly transcend it (not just at a given point). But it may be needed to make our transcendence permanent .
In the meanwhile, keep looking up for your deliverance draws nigh.
Mariel
Hi Mariel,
Don’t get me wrong with the above as me declaring that it is only one or the other.
I am definitely a pre-trib advocate, but I don’t dismiss what appears to be revealed within Scripture, as being “multiple raptures”.
First there will be those from Philadelphia that have “kept His patience” and will be allowed through that open door. (Matthew 25: 10., Revelation 3:8., and 4:1.) This is the pre-tribulation rapture.
Then there will be those that are raptured mid-trib (Revelation 7:9-17.)
Others will be the 144,000 and the Saints, but all of these will be included within, “These [are] the first resurrections”. (Revelation 20:5,6.).
Be Blessed in Yeshua HaMashiach our KING of Righteousness.
Amen.
Marianne,
Interesting dream and question. Immediately I thought of this passage from Psalm 55.
It an account of a spiritual transport out of the world of confusion, violence and strife all about a child of God. Destruction is in the midst; Oppression and deceit do not depart from its streets.
Then we read, “So I said, ‘Oh that I had wings like a dove! I would fly away and be at rest. Indeed, I would wander far off, and remain in the wilderness. I would hasten my escape from the windy storm and tempest'” (Psalm 55:6-8, NKJV).
Now consider the parable of “Wheat and Tares”.
“Another parable He put forth to them, saying: ‘The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field, which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches’.
All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: ‘I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world.’
…Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then, the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!” (Matthew 13:24-43, NKJV).
Maybe, as Believers (trusting in the Lord), having within us the Kingdom (“righteousness, peace and joy in the Spirit” – Romans 14:17), we are as “birds” in the tree.
We spiritually fly (bird) into the Kingdom (tree of mustard seed like faith), residing in peace and security as the angels gather the tears, binding and removing them. We have nothing to fear or dread because our trust is “in” the Lord and rest in the Kingdom, thank you Lord.
Oh, there is more to this experience we call life than the physical (flesh). “He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says…” (Rev chapters 2 and 3).
You got me thinking and seeking the Word.
Thank you.
Blessings
Psalm 25:1-3
God bless you DJ –
to all
When you can forget your Pre – Mid- Post rapture “theories ” and re-read Daniel again real slow. You will have to notice the 4th. Kingdom goes out to the very end of time.
– It proves you do not understand the 70 weeks and especially the last week. You miss it all together. Christ came in the beginning of the 70th week for “reconciliation” Dan. 9:24-27 and the rebellious house of Israel killed him. In the “midst of the 70th. Week” Messiah was cut off Verse 27.
Then Rome 37 years after that destroyed their Temple worship and destroyed their nation as well. The Roman Emperor went into the Holiest of holies and offerered up pagan sacrifices and destroyed it and the whole Nation of Israel. In a 3-1/2 year war ending in 70 AD. When John was writing the book of Revelation. This is what he was writing about.
Rome the 4th. Kingdom different from all others is still in our day alive and well and is going to be throwed into the Fire with all the rest of Babylon Paganism Nations – meaning All that are not Born Again into the Everlasting Kingdom of God. The New Israel and Jerusalem started with Jesus Christ resurrection.
You all are just stumbling around like blind men and groping for a theory that was just becoming popular in the 20th. century and became popular by Hal Lindsey in the 70’s and yea People love to have it so.
Lets just throw in a Purgatory too. A billion Catholics believe that. That became a real popular doctrine for the Catholic church and made them very very rich to say the least. Now its a dogma just like the Rapture has become a dogma to millions of Protestants so called.
In todays modern gospel built upon false prophets. The seducing age. We just pray you out of hell and into heaven if you give us enough. Most TV evangelist do that and do not even know they are Catholic following the Catholic dogma. Call themselves Pentecostal, and Charismatic, Baptist, on and on and on. And the church’s are rich and dead.
NOTICE THEIR IS A RAPTURE
All false doctrines have Honey all over it. There is a Rapture but not like you think it is. The Rapture is deliverance , Overcoming, transforming, translating or morphed from a cocoon, caterpillar to a Butterfly in this life.
We were raised up into Heavenly places in Christ – our lets just rip out the whole book of Ephesians. And every where it talks about being Quickened, Resurrected, Born Again into a NEW creation – Being raised from Death unto life just tear all that out of your Bible cause you do not understand it or believe it. It is to simple for scholars of education for this one reason.
Everybody in the world would like to not have to die. And they just float up into heaven in their flesh body which Jesus said will not go. Its your INNER man that is the real you.
Your Celestial man will take over after the flesh is in the grave. Dead or Alive – to simple – If alive – You die daily on the your Cross Lk. 9.
If you want to learn you have to Empty yourself completely out of the modern day thinking of this laid back, rich church we see in America.
And hunger and thirst till you know its a Revelation from the Spirit not your intellectual false prophets. That you really do not believe are even Prophets. Cause most of you do not believe in Prophets today. When John showed up. It scared those Pharisees so bad. Then they got to hear the Words of the one he was talking about. And they hated him and persecuted him, ridiculed him, and tortured him to death. But even that could not shut up HIS Words. Praise God they still alive today. You can never shut the truth out without shutting yourself out of the Kingdom.
Lord Bless – bro. ty.
Hey Tom……
Why don’t you go back to “Shattering the Holy People” and answer all the questions posed to you by Don, Todd and myself before simply carrying on and posting what you consider to be sound doctrine?
Many there are waiting for your response in how you can defend your theology which appears to be contrary to Scripture as it is stated.
Thanks.
In the same way the Jews think that the Covenant is still Physical, for they regard not that God is Spirit & the Covenant has become Spiritual upon its manifestation, to the fulness of Christ Jesus,(for the children of Abraham are them in Christ, who are the children of faith) whom they believe not. For they love not the truth & for this reason God sends a strong delusion that they may believe the lie, the marker is the “Gay agendas” & its complacency coming out from the great beast . “who can make war with it” to the last days Prophecy of “Spiritual Sodom & Egypt” against which is the battle of our Lord at Maggido (Spiritual still). Sodom to the Land (Spiritual to USA)& Egypt to its ancient beliefs, & its many preachers Prophesied as “the preachers of Babylon” the sin of earth that killed Jesus. Strong is the Lord God who will Judge her.
I believe the concept of pre-trib was not invented in the 19th century. Fathers of the Church uttered belief in it. The most impressive list I’ve read is that of Holly Deyo, to be found in the archives of Standeyo.com.
it gives direct quotations from a lot of early Church Fathers who believed in this. Now their belief does not necessarily make it right, but the people who keep saying Darby and Margaret invented the concept are spreading false thoughts. So please do not condemn everyone else who does not agree with you by attaching us to the ridiculous Darby and Margaret.
I honestly don’t know when I will be raptured but I am eagerly awaiting it as my only way out of the maelstrom. Yes, God could hold me up through the trib if He wants to. Don’t think He wants to, that’s all.
I agree Mariel,
I am eagerly awaiting the resurrection as well, and truly can’t wait to get off of this spinning rock. May we both be accounted worthy, (though I don’t see as to how, but by only “lifting up” our Lord Yeshua as our Hope and Everything), because I am just that mere man thing, and I fall so short of being anything close to being Holy myself.
It is all Yeshua and Who He is, and What He has done.
Be Blessed in our KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Amen.
A
Great comments, Mariel and Accepted! I do lean the most towards a mid-Trib.. but it doesn’t really matter “when”, as long as we are ready and busy doing Dad’s business whenever He comes for us. THAT is the point: to be ready. Accepted: we ARE holy! ;-D What Jesus suffered in our stead, made a way for Him to reside in us and He is holy. Whatever space He occupies is CHANGED. He confers His attributes to us at the point of true conversion, and we grow into all of that as we mature in Him. Blessings, all!
The Bible in revelation says “But for the sake of the Elect God will shorten the period of Tribulation” this is indicative, that the Elect will also go through the tribulations, again to His words “Just as I overcame so should you”. On this the concept of Pretreb. rapture is taken out of the words of Jesus to the Church of Philadelphia “I will keep you from the hour of temptation”, This is understood as “I will keep you from falling into the temptation” in other words “I will be with you through it”. Now this word temptation refers to the Spiritual, like unto Eve, & like unto Jesus who was led by the Spirit to be tempted off the devil. Spiritual temptation is not the same as Physical, for physical temptations repeated over a time becomes spiritual where as falling into a Spiritual temptation directly is to be lost once & for all.The result is that Many a Christians fallen into this pretreb rapture concept have become complacent to the faith & its cause to contend.
Dear abey,
With all due respect, (like Tom York below who doesn’t believe in hell and believes that Yeshua, (Jesus) has already returned), it is my opinion that you are ill informed.
One of the more defining verses regarding what we theologically refer to as the rapture, (or gathering) is 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
1 Thessalonians 4:17. reads as follows;
“Then we which are alive [and] remain “shall be caught up” together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
The English “shall be caught up” above within quotations was translated from the Greek word “ἁρπάζω”, transliterated “harpazō”. In Jerome’s Latin Vulgate he translated that word into the Latin“raeptius” and this is from where the English word rapture was derived.
(Harpazō being defined as “(1) to seize, carry off by force. (2) to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly. (3) to snatch out or away.”
Which is the same definition of the Latin word rapio “to seize, snatch, tear away”.)
Above you state, “On this the concept of Pre-trib. rapture is taken out of the words of Jesus to the Church of Philadelphia “I will keep you from the hour of temptation”, This is understood as “I will keep you from falling into the temptation” in other words “I will be with you through it.”
Really? Well what sense does that make?
Yeshua had just commended this church for being Faithful to Him in Revelation 3:8.;
“I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.”
Yeshua says above when speaking to those that fall into the category of this church, that He knows their works, that they have kept His word and not denied His Name.
Then He further states in verse 3:9.;
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
Therefore because Yeshua knows their works, kept His word, and not denied His Name, He will make those of satan worship before their feet as a reward so that they will know that He loves these individuals from this church.
In the following verse 10 Yeshua says, “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
Therefore since He is commending these individuals for being good and faithful servants, He says “because” you have been faithful, (kept the word of my patience), that He will keep them from the time, (hour), of trouble, (temptation), which will come upon the whole world to try them.
Now, the English word “temptation” there is to be understood within this context. It is derived from the Greek “πειρασμός” and is transliterated as “peirasmos”.
Peirasmos is primarily defined as meaning, “(1) an experiment, attempt, trial, proving. (1a) trial, proving: the trial made of you by my bodily condition, since condition served as to test the love of the Galatians toward Paul (Gal. 4:14) (1b) the trial of man’s fidelity, integrity, virtue, constancy.”
Therefore this is a literal trial that God sends upon the whole world as stated.
Yet in Revelation 3:8. Yeshua in His commending this church of individuals, says, “I have set before thee an open door” and in 3:10., “I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation”, (or trial that will come upon the whole world). So this open door would be the avenue that is provided then for some form of protection, and would also be a part of this reward for being faithful to Him.
Just so that this can’t be misconstrued let’s look at, “I have set before thee an open door”
The English “I have set” is derived from the Greek “δίδωμι” and is transliterated as “didōmi” and is defined basically as a gift, “to give. to give something to someone for their own advantage. to bestow a gift.”
The English “before” is derived from the Greek “ἐνώπιον”, transliterated as “enōpion” which would be defined as “in the presence of, or before”.
The English “thee” is the Greek “σοῦ” or “sou”, and means “thee or you”.
The English “an open” is the Greek “ἀνοίγω” or “anoigō” which means “to open”.
The English “door” is the Greek “θύρα” or “thyra”, and it means a “door. a vestibule. used of any opening like a door, an entrance, way or passage into”.
Therefore what this passage says, is that for a reward, “I give you a gift of an open entrance and passage into”.
And the very last time that this word “thyra” is utilized within the whole Bible is in Revelation 4:1. when John walked through a door that was his entrance to heaven.
This has nothing to do with being lax or becoming complacent to the Faith. On the contrary the door of the kingdom of heaven requires keeping the conditions which must be complied with in order to be received into the kingdom of God.
This is what Paul strove for within Philippians 3:12-16.
Yeshua said in Luke 21:36.;
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
Therefore only those that are accounted worthy will be allowed through that particular door at that time, as were only 5 wise of the 10 virgins in Matthew 25:10.
In 1 Thessalonians 4:13., Paul starts off his teaching there with, “But I do not want you to be ignorant”. Perhaps you should continue from there and read the rest of that particular chapter.
Nonetheless be Blessed in Yeshua HaMashiach our KING of kings and LORD of lords of which we wait for His Glorious return.
Amen.
If the Master be not spared from the temptation, neither will his servants be spared from it, to say none he will spare, For it is not God which tempts but the devil, who has taken upon unto himself as his job, said to be the god of this world, & to him is appointed by God till his appointed time. Jesus who Himself went through it, does not remove or change that except by faith he helps one to overcome it(not run away from it) to be with them through it.
Dear Marianne – You have just recieved a Revelation from the Spirit of God. That is how they come. By dreams, and visions – And your mental faculties get a very clear understanding and rising up into the Spritual dimensions. So good, God bless you –
Years ago in my twenties – I was welding at work. I had been so troubled about the teaching of “Eternal burning fire” where all sinners went.
I was just working and all of a sudden – A voice in my heart said — The only form of Eternal life is in Jesus Christ” I have never been troubled by that doctrine any more. Praise the Lord – Once you recieve a Revelation and God will always give you more.
Bro. Tom
thank you . I hope I have the wisdom to walk properly in any revelation given.
Abey,
I’m in agreement.
Why did the Lord share the need to “endure” and “overcome” when “the church” is “raptured” before the 1 or 4th seal are opened?
DJ,
Why would a Just God have those that have already shown themselves to be Faithful in the past, have them have to prove that Faithfulness all over again?
That simply doesn’t make any sense.
I believe that the epistle to the assembly of Philadelphia in Revelation 3:7-13., (with the exception of verses 9 and 12, which will occur when these followers return with Yeshua to establish the Millennial Kingdom), is speaking about what will happen “prior” to a specific event.
But you have the right to believe otherwise, as I have the right to express what I believe.
Nonetheless, may you be Blessed in Yeshua.
Amen.
DJ: To substantiate my words regarding the temptation & the Grace of our lord Jesus Christ, I state a personal “Encounter” : Way back when very young on returning from school, encountered a very poor beggar, a jovial one on the way, who had a piece of local bread in his hand, probably his daily bread. Being very hungry myself looked at that bread & the beggar on seeing this offered the same which I took & did eat. With this incident my regard for the poor grew in me & over the time realized that God was indeed with such people, the poor & suffering, For He who Himself is said to be long suffering equates with such through the sufferings, for no sufferings become wasted. Twenty five years later I did come upon a temptation, a Spiritual one from the devil himself, so tempting it was that in the normal self & in the fulness of my youth it was impossible to resist it, but then in the critical moment that old beggar came in remembrance which led to rejecting the devil, saving my day & my life. All of this less than a minute, within the hour. The subsequent gift that came from God is fathomless, through that poor one. This is to understand that Jesus who foresaw these brought about my encounter with the one. This is a meaning to the saying “I am with you”, even through temptations.
Yes abey,
I would agree fully that the Lord will be with us, and give us strength to deliver us out of temptations. That is part of His role in being the Good Shepard with His Sheep.
And as you know there is a verse in 2 Peter chapter 2 that states just that.
And many people will cull out that verse, and use it and it alone, for it indeed contains a solitary truth.
However, regarding our discussion in respects to the “rapture”, I would like for you to take into consideration the context of those verses in 2 Peter 2.
This 2nd chapter continues on from the 1st. where Peter had just stated, “that no Scripture of prophecy ever came into existence from one’s own origin, or the will of man, but that the prophecy of old came from the holy men of God as they spoke and were moved by the Holy Spirit.”
He continues this topic in chapter 2, and I will provide verses 1 through 9 below.
1- But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privately shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2- And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3- And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4- For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5- And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6- And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7- And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8- (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds;)
9-The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
So, within the above Scripture, what would be the context and topic of discussion?
Verse 1 Peter talks about there being false prophets in the past, and that there will be false prophets in the future, (which would include the times that we live in).
In Verse 2 Peter says that many will follow these false prophets and their blaspheming and destroying ways.
In Verse 3 he says, that with greedy desire these false prophets will by their false words and teaching, use an individual for their own gain. And because of this, their judgment of old won’t wait, and their damnation won’t rest.
In Verse 4 Peter quotes from the Book of Enoch, regarding the fallen angels described in Genesis 6: (4)., where some of them are being held until judgement day, because God won’t spare them from judgement.
In Verse 5 he continues by saying that God didn’t spare the old world either for their sins, but saved only Noah, (and his family) from the flood which came upon the ungodly.
In Verse 6, he speaks of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, which was and is to be an example of how God will judge and punish those that are ungodly.
And in Verse 7, how God delivered Lot, (and his family), from this destruction because he was constantly grieved by those that lived there and their wicked speech.
Verse 8 continues in expressing as to how Lot in being a righteous man in the eyes of God, that his soul was constantly living in turmoil while he heard and saw all of the evil deeds that theses people performed from day to day within these two cities.
So the above leading up to Verse 9 in context, is describing “false prophets and teachers” that have been around in the past and that are here and now.
But that God also has “judgement planned” for all of those that He considers to be ungodly. The Flood and destruction of the old world and that of Sodom and Gomorrah were examples of what is to come, (though the destruction of the world this next time will be of fire; 2 Peter 3:7.) God will destroy the fallen angels and all of mankind that is disobedient to Him, (the sons of disobedience), as well as everything that He considers to be ungodly.
However, among all of this judgement in the past, God saved some that He considered to be righteous from it. Therefore wouldn’t it be likely that God would show the same compassion and mercy again to those that He also considered to be righteous because they are covered by the Blood of Yeshua?
Keep in mind the previous context of what is being discussed, which is the coming judgement, the examples of that judgement, and that some were delivered from it.
Verse 9-
“The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:”
The English “temptations” there is the same word I broke down for you above. It is derived from the Greek “πειρασμός” and is transliterated as “peirasmos”.
Peirasmos is primarily defined as meaning, “(1) an experiment, attempt, trial, proving. (1a) trial, proving: the trial made of you by my bodily condition, since condition served as to test the love of the Galatians toward Paul (Gal. 4:14) (1b) the trial of man’s fidelity, integrity, virtue, constancy.”
It is the same word that is utilized in Revelation 3:10., where Yeshua says, “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of “temptation”, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
Therefore since He is commending these individuals for being good and faithful servants, He says “because” you have been faithful, (kept the word of my patience), that He will keep them from the time, (hour), of trouble, (temptation, or trial), which will come upon the whole world to try them.
The context is the same as when Peter is discussing the upcoming judgement and trials that will come upon the whole world above.
To further elaborate on Revelation 3:8., of which I touched on above, it reads;
“I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.”
Yeshua says that He knows those individuals works, (ie; how they have been faithful to Him and persevered and been overcomers through the trials of life no matter what), and I have provided for you and others, what “I have set before” means above, and will do so again here for your convenience;
The English “I have set” is derived from the Greek “δίδωμι” and is transliterated as “didōmi” and is defined basically as a gift, “to give. to give something to someone for their own advantage. to bestow a gift.”
The English “before” is derived from the Greek “ἐνώπιον”, transliterated as “enōpion” which would be defined as “in the presence of, or before”.
The English “thee” is the Greek “σοῦ” or “sou”, and means “thee or you”.
The English “an open” is the Greek “ἀνοίγω” or “anoigō” which means “to open”.
The English “door” is the Greek “θύρα” or “thyra”, and it means a “door. a vestibule. used of any opening like a door, an entrance, way or passage into”.
But what is this “door” a passage way into?
Revelation 3:7., provides that answer to that question.
“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;”
Let’s look at the English, “he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;”
He that Openeth, (or open), is the same word that I have defined above and is derived from the Greek “ἀνοίγω” and transliterated as “anoigō”, and means, “to open”.
The English “no man” was translated from the Greek “οὐδείς”, or “oudies” and is defined as “no one, or nothing”.
The English “shutteth”, (or shut), was translated from the Greek “κλείω”, or “kleiō”, and here is where it gets interesting, because within the definitions of kleiō is the following; “to obstruct the entrance into the kingdom of heaven”!
So Revelation 3:7. regarding the “open door” could easily be rendered as;
“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the [only] key of David, he that opens [the door] which nothing can obstruct from entering into the kingdom of heaven, and nothing but I can shut, for it is only I that can shut or open this door”
Something to consider for all, since it is straight from the Greek and that of Scripture.
You can believe it or not.
Be Blessed in Yeshua our Everything.
Bro. Accepted – The greek can be wrong as anything or anybody else can be.
Greek scholars disagree greatly on many passages in the bible.
It still has to be a Revelation from the Spirit to understand the Word. and only Jesus Christ can do that. By the Spirit.
The great Temptation of 6th. church age is not becoming deceived and believing the Lie. Just like in Jesus day the majority believed the Lie about Jesus the Messiah.
II THESS 2:7-13 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Is Satan Coming – in the clouds as well – you see satan has already come but who knows that. The Lord shall consume him by the Spirit of his mouth and destroy. Has that “coming come” to past yet.
Paul warned us of this. JOHN 10:12 – But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the “wolf coming”, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the “wolf CATCHETH them”, and scattereth the sheep.
Catcheth = Their is your word for a “Rapture” – 726 » harpazo {har-pad’-zo} aJrpavzw from a derivative of 138; TDNT — 1:472,80; vb
AV — catch up (4) — take by force (3) — catch away (2) — pluck (2 — catch (1) — pull (1) [13]
1) to seize, carry off by force, to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly, to snatch out or away
Are you gonna see Satan come out of the air and catch these up .
Its a Spiritual happening.
So if Satan has already come which he has. His coming like Jesus coming is like a “thief in the night” One takes your Spiritual man into destruction and Jesus takes our Spiritual man to be with Him. For a blessed Eternal life
Bro. TY
Tom,
All of what your above post demonstrates to me, is your complete and utter inability to establish the correct context of Scripture.
You simply cannot take the definition of a word and apply the exact same meaning throughout the fulness of Scripture to it, without also taking into account the surrounding narrative. That quite frankly is ridiculous.
As I have said to DJ above, you have the right to believe otherwise, as I have the right to express what I believe, and time will tell, (when Yeshua returns in the clouds), as to who may be closer to the truth down the road.
A.
To anyone and Accepted also
Well explain how satan is going to have a Rapture too. You want me to explain my things and I do the best I can to explain it.
It absolutely says that “Satan is going to rapture people” how is that done. Im waiting for an answer.
Lord bless you all. bro. ty
Tom, Tom, Tom……
First of all…. it wasn’t Paul that wrote this Gospel but it was John that wrote this Gospel, (Hence the title’s, “Kata Ioannen”, “According to John” or “The Gospel According to John”).
Secondly, this is a parable of Yeshua being the Good Shepard.
So let’s look at verse 12 of JOHN chapter 7.
12- “The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.” NIV.
Yes the transliterated word “harpazō” is utilized, simply because it contains within its definitions, “to seize, carry off by force”.
(Hence the translated English word “attacks” above within the NIV.)
Wolves tend to do that with Sheep because they are prey which they will eat to survive.
What would you expect a wolf to do…. have a little dance with a Sheep? A little dosey- doe perhaps?
Harpazō is the only word in Greek that could be utilized for an act of a Wolf seizing a Sheep violently by force.
However within the definitions of harpazō it is also defined as meaning, “to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly”.
And this is the context of what Yeshua will do as described by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
“Then we which are alive [and] remain SHALL BE CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
The context is completely different. This is why I said to you above, “You simply cannot take the definition of a word and apply the exact same meaning throughout the fulness of Scripture to it, without also taking into account the surrounding narrative. That quite frankly is ridiculous.”
Unless of course you believe that 1 Thessalonians 4:17. means that Yeshua is going to pounce upon those at that resurrection like a Wolf upon a Sheep and chew them up for Din-Dins?
A.
Sounds like what I call “contextual elimination”: taking a word or words, phrases, etc. out of the original context and inserting it into another context to fit a particular narrative.
Hi Jay,
Yep Tom does this all of the time and it just drives me nuts.
He believes that the giving of the Holy Spirit on Shavu’ot, (Pentecost) was Yeshua’s second return.
He believes that there is no hell.
He believes that the resurrection has already happened, and that he has been glorified as an angel.
He believes that the book of Revelation has been fulfilled.
He believes that the Apostle Paul was actually an angel, as were many others.
It just goes on and on ???
I will not respond to his posts anymore.
I will leave it all in the hands of God the Father.
Be Blessed in Yeshua our Righteous Hope and Glory.
A.
Ooookaaayyy… A., this explains a lot. Funny how a simple post about a dream can turn into an ‘inquisition’, eh? As to your last three statements, sign me up……..
Hi Cindy,
I’d love to sign you up…. but only Yeshua has that authority.
I’m glad that you found the above informative though, and I especially liked the “eh?”
Be Blessed in Yeshua our Everything.
From a fellow Canuck.
A.
cindy
it always happens this way. 🙂
I write about one thing….and people talk about something else.
my favorite part was the pretty little bird….!
Is it just me and my little circle, or is the proclivity to start arguments (aka, religious spirit) spreading throughout the Body of Christ? I see it all the time on Facebook too; some people seem to lurk, just looking to start an argument or join one. Well, the whole group can just decide to not reply to them….
I agree. there is a time when we have made our point and should move on
Dear Cindy,
If you were referring to me as having a predisposition or tendency to instigate arguments, (aka; a religious spirit), then I am sorry that you feel that way.
For me personally, the Word of God is simply the most important thing in my life, and what we have as believers.
The Father has provided it for us through the Holy Spirit to educate us in His ways, so that we know and understand how to serve Him in spirit and truth.
Do I claim to, (or even pretend) to have all of the answers?
Certainly not!
However, I have put thousands of hours of passionate study in seeking His Face, and truly attempt to the best of my ability to maintain the integrity of the Word when translating either the Hebrew or the Greek into English.
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15.
I offer my interpretations with a sincere heart and the hopes that that they are correct.
Unfortunately there is a fine line between those who may appear to be simply agitators, and those that are actually contending for the Word.
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Jude 1:3.
Be Blessed in Yeshua Melech Kavod, (the KING of Glory).
Amen.
I think a better word is “tenacious”
Spiritual man or Flesh man
Yea I wrote the wrong name in saying “Paul” – excuseee me
Now the simple explanation is that when born you have two men in you. The Celestial man and the Human man. You are a Theo -phany – Spirit and Flesh.
God/man –
One will become the dominate one and one will lay dormant. Only One will rule you faculties, soul, mind and heart. You are either “caught up” in the flesh man – or you are caught up in the Spiritual man. You cannot be a sober,drunk man at the same time. One is going to catch you away. To the point of no return.
Just simple oh truths.
God bless you – Bro. ty
Cindy,
If Christians understood “spirits” and their realm of operation, then maybe they would accept what have observed.
Hosea 4:6 applies (lack of knowledge) and there spiritual eyes are not open.
The work of a “religious spirit” seems to partner with Leviathan. You should know what that means (Frank Hammond’s “Pigs in the Parlor”).
Blessings
Proverbs 16:2
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tu6bxcCqvs
abey,
Please watch this message by Derek Prince regarding overcoming by the Blood of the Lamb. I think this explains my understanding of how Believers overcome in the last days, until our Lord returns and we meet Him in the air.
He tells the churches to endure and overcome for a reason. Revelation 12:11 is the key to our overcoming.
Blessings
Rev 12:11
For the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy. D.J, to this first we need to understand by revelation, the Prophecy of what it means “To meet him in the air” to which it seems Derick Prince himself does not know., leave alone knowing the fulness of Christ Jesus. For this concerns the testimony mentioned in revelation. Be aware of the words of Jesus ” i will come quickly”(suddenly without warning) not to tempt ,but to Save or to Judge. Pray that it be to save.
A,
You perceve that the church is ready for “the rapture” any day now and the “rapture” occcurs before “The Great Tribulation” (The Great Testing).
In retrospect, the Church had to be ready since the day He assended and said “I am with you always, even until the end if the age” (Matthew 28:20).
But there is a time of Great Testing (Great Tribulation), coming upon the earth like the world has not seen before or will again.
In Revelation chapters 2 and 3 there is a message for the assembly of Believers (7 Churches) to “repent”, preparing for what? A rapture? Maybe they are to repent, preparing from the issues and weakness written therein so they can endure and overcome during this Great Testing.
What if the Great Testing begins very soon and many months into this Testing there is no “rapture”? What do those souls counting on leaving the earth via “rapture” but are “left behind”?
In Matthew 24-25, our Lord does not indicate anywhere that there is a “rapture” of His Church prior to the meeting Him in the air when He returns.The Lord himself does not tell His desciples (followers) they will be “raptured” before the time of Great Testing.
My Lord tells me that new born Believers and Believers educated on milk (1st Corinthians 3:1-3) alive during these “last days” are going to be tested like never before (Matthew 24:19).
I trust those expecting a “rapture” before the time Great Testing are mature (Hebrews 5:14), prepared to endure and overcome as they think they are even now. Even the Philadelphia Church is to hold fast and overcome.
Blessings to you A.
As long as there are postings of a “rapture” (an exit strategy from “Great Tribulation”) , then there will be a few who will reply with another perspective that will include Scripture verses calling for Believers to “hold fast” and to “overcome” until He returns and we meet Him in the air.
Yes, no one knows the day or the hour, but He did provided signs in the heavens and spoke parables to His desciples (followers), without any other reference books, giving notice of the end of the age and His return.
Blessings
Psalm 24
Hi DJ,
Well, I have been advised to “move on” and “let things ride” and though in one way I would welcome the opportunity to respond to your questions, I don’t wish to be perceived as having a “religious spirit” or as being simply “tenacious” either.
However, I have already addressed much of what you have asked within various threads on this site.
As briefly as possible though;
I believe that Scripture states that a “remnant” of the assembly that is accounted worthy will be taken first, (those that have already proven themselves to be overcomers), which (of those that will be alive at the time), are the Philadelphians, and that the rest of the Body will then have to “earn their white garments” which are the Laodiceans.
Over the years here, I have provided in great detail, all of the verses of Scripture and definitions of the original Greek which have lead me to this belief, (as well as commentary regarding the precedents within the Tanakh of Enoch, Elijah, Noah and Lot).
Yet though to me it all appears to be explained very specifically within Scripture, to others it is still an unbelievable mystery, so I really don’t see as to how if I were to explain it all over again, would prove to be any different.
Eschatology is still speculation for most of us, myself included, and we all will just have to maintain our Faith and see in the end what the fullness of God the Fathers plan really is as it is revealed. It is only then that we will really know and understand as to who ended up being closer to the truth.
With that be Blessed in Yeshua our Precious and Glorious Everything.
Amen.
DJ – I’m with ya – All might agree on this Post below. I hope so
There is one quite simple reason why we can not take back America, although many Americans, would like to do that.
The reason is to be found in the difference from “psychology to sociology“.
Society (the masses) are acting different from the individual.
We, the people, are a bunch of individuals. We are the sheeples because we are used to act as individuals according to our individual right. We are allowed to receive (falsified) information from mass-media. We are allowed to act by voting in rigged elections alone. Every act of civil disobedience or revolting against dictatorship, would be prosecuted as a felony. The only legal actors on the scene are the government and it’s agencies.
We are individuals unlike the ants.
Ants are acting under one spirit – the ant-spirit. Their priority is less the life of the individual, but the sake of the ant-colony.
Even as church-members are we individuals. We are members of the laity, governed by clergy-men. This condition has been given for the days of the seven church ages. But God does not want us to be individuals, ruled by chergy-men. But HE wants us to be ONE BODY, HIS BODY, ruled by the His Spirit. Our Lord is the head of the body. And we can not be members of His body – if He does not rule us by HIS SPIRIT directly. HE, being the head, coordinates every action of every member of His Body by HIS SPIRIT.
If we have the spirit of churchanity, then would we ask the pastor what to do.
If we have the Spirit of God, then is it HIM through His “still, small voice” telling us what to do and guiding us, to do it just right in time and at the right place.
That is HIS church then, His body, the most powerful body, this world has ever seen.
But not the individual is in the center, but it is all centered around Christ and around His Spirit.
We must be converted from individuals, which are church members, obedient to clergy-men – to members of His Body, which are led by the Spirit of God alone.
Then will there be no more psychology for the individual, but we shall be ONE UNIT, ONE BODY, ONE POWER, with HIS MIND. We SHALL NOT RALLY AROUMND THE “RAPTURE , but around the ministry of the Body of Christ.
Churches are bunches of individuals. They can not achieve much for the LORD. But the ONE CHURCH, which is ONE BODY with every member being perfectly led by the Holy Spirit, is the body of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ with the fullness of the power of the Holy Ghost.
Psycholgy can never catch what this is, because it is NOT the individual acting, but it is GOD acting through the individual. And Sociology has never seen such a thing before.
Now is every church a herd of sheep. And every single sheep can be led to the slaughter without much resistance. That is the power, which politics and agencies and clergy-men have.
Love you all – Bro. ty
that makes sense 🙂
Tom, I think the local church as well as any denominational church (Catholic is another realm), are not in order. Pastors administrate, teach, lead evangelism. Where is the 5 fold ministry which is the Body Paul addresses in Philippians today?
They know (acknowledge) the Spirit, but deny the Power.
Look for the Philly Church to emerge with all 5 offices and the signs of descipleship them (casting out demons and healin). This is coming very soon. It will be in smalll groups (not maga church or seeker church). It will come where the fellowship of Believers seek and He gives to those who worship in spirit (comprehend and accept the Power) and in truth (comprehend that the Word became flash and His word OT and NT is truth).
Blessings
Psalm 71
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik0XthynUH0&list=UUZ6iKV5 BjdYcSSn-LUMM_Mw&index=5
DJ – I again say amen to your post. It will be a very small remnant that have the revival. Which might only last about 40 days if you compare it to Christ after He rose and went out to gather his Elect for Pentecost. That is just a thought not making a doctrine out of it at all.
Passby – Im gonna listen to your video. Thanks brother.
Marianne – thanks for that amen above. If it makes sense to someone then I am a happy man. (smiling) ty
I love the part call Real Father, who our Father God really is .
love it !
Passby
excellent video, well worth the hour to watch.
Dear All,
We certainly are living at that very time of the end and many ancient prophecies attest to this reality. Sadly, few come to this realization, and ignorance and evil abound upon earth.
I recently came across a prophecy of one known as Mother Shipton, whose identity however is greatly marred by history. But the prophecy regards out current time and serves true to the flow of scriptural truth. Debate may rage of whether she was a witch or prophetess, as it has over the years, but so is the devils way to supplant good with evil, and to confound the thoughts of men such that we may not clearly discern that which is true and right. Available from diverse sources, below is a copy of the prophetic prose as found from one of such sources.
In nineteen hundred and twenty-six
build houses light of straw and sticks.
For then shall mighty wars be planned
and fire and swords shall sweep the land.
When pictures seem alive with movements free,
when boats like fishes swim beneath the sea.
When men like birds shall scour the sky.
Then half the world, deep drenched in blood shall die.
For those who live the century through
in fear and trembling this shall do.
Flee to the mountains and the dens
to bog and forest and wild fens.
For storms will rage and oceans roar
when Gabriel stands on sea and shore,
and as he blows his wondrous horn
old worlds die and new be born.
A fiery dragon will cross the sky
six times before the earth shall die.
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
for the six heralds in this prophecy.
For seven days and six nights
man will watch this awesome sight.
The tides will rise beyond their ken.
To bite away the shores and then
the mountains will begin to roar
and earthquakes split the plain to shore.
And flooding waters rushing in,
will flood the lands with such a din
that mankind cowers in muddy fen
and snarls about his fellow men.
He bares his teeth and fights and kills
and secrets food in secret hill
and ugly in his fear, he lies
to kill marauders, thieves and spies.
Man flees in terror from the floods
and kills, and rapes and lies in blood
and spilling blood by mankind’s hand
will stain and bitter many lands.
And when the dragon’s tail is gone
man forgets and smiles and carries on.
To apply himself – too late, too late
for mankind has earned deserved fate.
His masked smile, his false grandeur,
will serve the gods their anger stir
and they will send the dragon back
to light the sky – his tail will crack.
Upon the earth and rend the earth
and man shall flee, king, lord and serf.
But slowly they are routed out
to seek diminishing water spout
and men will die of thirst before
the oceans rise to mount to the shore.
And lands will crack and rend anew
do you think it strange, it will come true.
And in some far – off distant land
some men – oh such a tiny band
will have to leave their solid mount
and span the earth, those few to count.
Who survives this (unreadable) and then
begin the human race again.
But not on land already there,
but on ocean beds, stark, dry and bare.
Not every soul on earth will die,
as the dragon’s tail goes sweeping by,
not every land on earth will sink,
but these will wallow in stench and stink,
of rotting bodies of beast and man,
of vegetation crisped on land.
But the land that rises from the sea
will be dry and clean and soft and free.
Of mankinds dirt and therefore be,
the source of man’s new dynasty.
and those that live will ever fear
the dragon’s tail for many year
but time erases memory
You think it strange. but it will be.
And before the race is built anew,
a silver serpent comes to view
and spew out men of like unknown
to mingle with the earth now grown
cold from its heat and these men can
enlighten the minds of future man
to intermingle and show them how
to live and love and thus endow.
the children with the second sight.
a natural thing so that they might
grow graceful, humble and when they do
the golden age will start anew.
The dragon’s tail is but a sign
for mankind’s fall and man’s decline.
and before this prophecy is done
I shall be burned at the stake, at l
My body cinged and my soul set free
You think I utter blastphemy
your wrong. These things have come to me
this prophecy will come to be.
What i wish to point to in regard to this year’s disturbing cosmic phenomenon on March 14th is the fiery dragon, and his singing tail. The euphemism of a fiery dragon crossing the sky is clearly known to be the comets, and such was the comet Panstarrs closest approach to earth on his particular day. Thereafter a meteorite shower fell in a region in Russia causing a measure of destruction and certain casualties. Authorities would have us believe that the Panstarrs comet had nothing to do with the meteorites shower, but there is this prophecy that ties them both. Now the world is supposed to die after six times from the appearance of this sign, in which the prophetess includes herself as being burned at the stake in the burning caused by the meteor shower strike on land. The six sets of time referred to must be the six lunar months after the phenomenon that would bring us over to the months of August and September 2013, wherein the world must begin to die, a process that again takes six evenings and seven mornings sets of time, which could translate to the next 13 lunar months. By the last month of the series, there is no night/darkness and that infers that by then the world will have been purified and the new world will from thence be born. But from the time of the comets tail, to when the six times are done, humanity will have forgotten these signs, and the fiery dragon will be sent back, within the time when the world will be undergoing the appointed series of upheavals that are determined to slay off evil from the earth. This other comet must be the ISON 2012 of fame, that is said will illumine brighter than the moon, and will evn be a visible star during the day by the month of December 2013, that is if it lives to its expectations, and thus according to this prophecy, it will even excel beyond what astrologists expect of it. The world will be in great fear, not understanding why upheavals on land and sea, as well as war and bloodshed have suddenly come upon the earth. These matters are so determined, and that will come to pass shortly, so I concur.
In the prophecy is also mentioned of Gabriel at the point in time that He stands on sea and shore to blow forth his wondrous trumpet, the storms of earth would commence, which did actually commence last year on the 19th October at the flooding in France of the Shrines of Guadalupe, thereafter in the USA with Sandy. In Kenya, where I sojourn, the death toll by flooding came close to a hundred with many displaced, a feature that has not been so for many generations. Prophecy of revelation would compare this Gabriel to the seven thunders whose voices were not recorded, although they had uttered their voices in John’s hearing. Now I did come across among some Mayan literature of what these thunders could have meant. Once again, the Mayan times seem to be brought to book, but by no fault of the ancient Mayans, their prophecies as misunderstood by the world today are said to have failed. Besides, these same Mayans only spoke of times and of a prophecy that is universal, actually wrongly accredited to them. They may have been heathenish in their latter times, but at some time when all the world was of one understanding, they penned down some of the general wisdom of those days, and hence not all their records are of heathen inspiration. Anyway, these seven thunders are not much of a mystery, for they also are what we find in Genesis of the account of creation, when one world is destroyed to pave way for the next. In our current disposition, the matter will take 12 lunar months, and the 13th and on will be the Sabbath rest.
Back to the matter of the little bird, the rapture and the 11pm and 12AM in Marianne’s dream. The first hour was the beginning of the natural year in September 16th 2012, and from hence the 12AM when the rest of the matter ensues will fall in order. From the Shiptons’s prophecy, the time she is burned at the stake is one, the first of the six times accounting and corresponds to the meteor shower at Chebylinsk, Russia on March 14th this year.
There are numerous pointers in prophetic pronunciations and signs spread throughout all the world that this matter is as decreed. many of us await the destruction elements to be leashed forth ere we can believe. Whereas matters of faith are complex, let us all realize that we need God in our lives, so as whatever comes forth at whichever time frames, our souls should be in one accord with our loving benefactor and creator, the Lord God our father.
So dear
so what are the 7 thunders?
I am not following why the poem has something to do with my dream?
12 months?
The seven thunders are the recreation of a new age from the demise of the aged one, which follows in the pattern of creation as in the record of Genesis. First light is released to the aged generation, the true light of truth. Then the waters, that is to say the populations are divided, some destroyed in death, and the others left alive. Then the waters that are left alive are gathered to particular regions, and so on and so forth. These then work on restoring the flora of the earth, the forests and water courses, and also begin to associate in kingdoms and families, according to the design of God. Its the mystery of creation that is symbolized by the seven thunders.
The poem has a timing code in it, of six ‘times’ from when a certain comet glazes earth on its passage through the sky. This times is in lunar periods. Your dream too has the timing factor of 11, and 12, which are however not from the point of the comet, but from the beginning of the natural year, that was six months before the comet. Both the poem and the dream in my understanding converge at the same time in the near future. That is what I think your dream and the poem have in common.
Dear All,
I had some dissertations on the Agikuyu culture in my files and thought to post some of these on these pages, to illustrate that really that God has been the father and founder of all the ways of wisdom upon earth, and that whoever is endowed the ability to reconcile all wisdom of this thread obtains a really great treasure.
Greatest Mystery of the ages as encoded in the Agĩkũyũ legends of origin
As already has been established, through pure observation and knowledge of the original places of the entire earth, all the landscapes of earth were named in the original language and science of Sanskrit at some common past period of history. Amazingly, the naming has withstood the tide of time and human interference and ignorance, such that numerous places on earth still retain their original Sanskrit descriptor titles, albeit without their proper meanings yet known to the world at large, whose knowledge would serve a great deal in enlightening the world from the immense darkness we are in, both in regard to our past, and to the most appropriate land use for which the landscapes were intended for at their creation, and whose misappropriation is essentially the root cause of all he environmental evils hitherto encountered and which are the bane of life on the planet unless mitigated for and reversed.
At the centre of the original names of the planet strongly feature the oldest known Bantu language, Gĩkũyũ, which is also the name of both the first ancestor of the tribe that goes by the same name. Gĩkũyũ however is not a tribe per-se, nor even the description of a person, but is the personified wisdom of God the Creator by which Mũmbi formed the spiritual races of men, these being kenda mũiyũrũ, which is to say the nine full clans. Ostensibly, Gĩkũyũ in the Sanskrit syllables meanings refers to the great depths of moisture or broth, and in other terms prescribe the deep rooted wisdom that thrives in nourishment of the provision of the Creator, as the fig tees which share the root name are known to thrive and seek only the similar environment of sustained moisture. In essence, the fig trees presence indicate the nature of lands on which they thrive to be water towers and catchment areas which ought to not to be interfered with by human activities encroachment. Such was the ancient knowledge and taboo origin against destruction of the fig trees, and in conservational essence, this was the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil, whose touching, desire or use for food shattered the environmental balance beyond repair. For when man sought to cultivate the fig tree in regions where it did not naturally grow, then its natural use as an indicator of the lands that were taboo for cultivation would be lost, and with this loss would be opened the Pandora’s box of natural degradation of the environment. It is indeed so typical and fitting how all figs are pollinated by a wasp whose pupae stage is the worm serpent symbol inside of the fig. Indeed, after man lost balance of the environment by interfering with the water catchment shrines, there would be no reprieve other than surely dying.
Legend has it that after Mwene Nyaga had formed the first man and wife, who in rhetoric sense happen to be the description of Wisdom by which the Universe was created, he placed them in a place that was called Mũkũrũe wa Nyaga-thanga. Now Mwene Nyaga can be also transliterated into the Sanskrit Mueni Yagya, which is to say the Wise one of the ways of purification, likewise being the owner of the entire sanctification procedures. The same root word Nyaga in the name purification features in the name of the place where first the perfect couple were placed. The other root word thanga intones high wisdom, or gold. Thus Mũkũrũe wa Nyagathanga refers to an ancient place of high wisdom, or a place of refined gold. The root syllables in Mũkũrũe typically signify universal ancient rite of naming entities according to their true roots. This signifies that Mũkũrũe wa Nyaga-thanga is not so much a place but the monument for the high wisdom of Sanskrit in which the entire world after creation was named. The name directly means that the naming of all things according to their true roots is pure gold/highest wisdom. This much is what is referenced in the Sanskrit name of the primordial home of humanity. No other culture or religious doctrine on earth bore this monument to God and creation throughout history other than the Agĩkũyũ, the people of the deep rooted wisdom emanating from God’s providence. The legends of Gĩkũyũ hence deserve thorough evaluation so as to understand the real history of the world, about the Creator and about the destiny of the world. In combination with the lessons of other holy scriptures of the world, the elusive truth of many generations can now be retrieved by use of this key, the culture and practices of the people of the great fig tree.
In one such demonstration, the legends of the Agĩkũyũ narrate that the offspring of the first couple was the nine full daughters, who indeed were ten, but owing to the taboo practise of not counting living beings, lest they perish as features also among the Hebrews, these were always described nine full. Now these had their names as,
• Waithĩra the beautiful, or Wangeci, mother of Angeci, Aithĩrandu
• Wanjikũ the gossip or narrator, mother of Agacikũ
• Njeri the devoted, or Wacera, mother of Aceera
• Wanjirũ the generous, mother of Anjirũ
• Wairimũ the Ogre, or Gathigia, mother of Airimũ, Agathĩgia
• Wangũi the clever, or Waithiegeni, mother of Angui, Aithiegeni
• Wambũi the talker, mother of Ambũi
• Wangarĩ the farmer, mother of Angarĩ, Aithekahuno
• Wakiuru the rainmakers or Nyambura, mother of Akiuru, Ambura, Ethaga
• Wamũyũ or Warigia or Wanjũgũ the hardworking, mother of the Ai-ca-kamũyũ
Now certainly the same names are of Sanskrit derivation. Waithĩra means the one of marvellous brilliant intelligence, and hence only was summarized as the beautiful one. Wangũi was called the clever one, but the Sanskrit root refers to the one in black and hence intones cleverness of mysticism. Njeri would denote one that acquires much wealth such as in trading. Wanjikũ is one who overcomes deficiencies and contempt. Wanjirũ then overcomes elements of might such as battle, dividing and as such is a ruler. Wairimũ can both be transcribed as a dullard or fool as well as an ogre, but is also a proud haughty person as means the Gathigia name. Wambũi is the self established especially in semantics. Wangari ensures the productivity of necessities and possessions. Wakiuru is tied up with limiting the activities of men vis-à-vis the factors that ascertain the rain cycle. Wamũyũ is the one bound to the quest of deep emanations of wisdom and his hard work certainly bears fruit.
Such descriptions of the nine faculties of the societies of men feature in all ancient cultures and religions. Indeed, it was from these ancient sources that Plato describes his famous chariots philosophy, which largely is a central teaching of philosophy. In the chariots allegory, it is derived that the nine faculties to which all humanity relapses in their repeated attempts to attain to the will of God, against the desires of carnality are essentially as follows.
1. Philosophers, lovers of beauty, men of culture, addicted to love.(Waithĩra)
2. Law abiding kings or Civic leaders (Wanjirũ)
3. Businessmen, estate managers or politicians (Njeri)
4. One who specializes in bodily health (Wangũi)
5. Prophets or mystery cult participants (Wakiuru)
6. Poets or imitative artists (Wanjikũ)
7. Farmers or craftsmen (Wangarĩ)
8. Sophists or demagogues (Wambũi)
9. Tyrants (Wairimũ)
• Wamuyu or Warigia, Wanjugu, of the Aicakamuyu
The mystic number nine of ancient world philosophies hence is established to have been entirely sourced from the spiritual naming of the universe according to the true nature of forms, and was the basis of the Platonic culture that is the basis of the philosophy of existence. The astute Sanskrit intonations of the clan names of the Agĩkũyũ spell out word for word the description of the faculties of existence that man ultimately resolves to and as was according to Plato’s anecdote of the chariot. Wahi-thĩ-ra for instance intones marvellous knowledge of illumination, which also was called Wa-nge-ci, which intones high perception, and understanding. Wa-nji-ku and Aga-ci-ku refer to conquering and bring the clarity of numerous attributes that relate to deficiencies, depreciations, guilt and ills of society and as such are the poets, songstresses and artists. Wa-ngui or Wahi-thi-egeni means the black one and marvellous knowledge of particular ascriptions engendering towards sicknesses. Such intones intimately with Plato’s summary of those who are concerned with human illnesses, but rather so would also include the concealed/forbidden/distasteful/black arts of witchcrafts and medicine lore of the cultures of the world and hence the term black in Wangũi. Of Njeri which is Wacera may be argued to derive from the Sanskrit word Ceru that means to behave respectfully and also means worshiping, and hence the devotional relation in the Kikuyu legend. The Ra in Wacera, rather than Waciuru/Wakiuru however intones the manner of devotion to be directed towards human activities and hence satisfies the relation to business men and politicians of Plato’s domains. Wakiuru then is the devoted one to the high powers, and as this clan also passed for the titles Ambura and Ethaga, which means water source activism and effecting the heights, these were concerned with rain-making and environment conservation knowledge and devotions. They were the forest and water tower guardians of the ancient contemporary society, and today would be the conservationists and environmentalists of the calling rather than for hire. Mysticism and many taboos against harming nature were there trade and occupation in subjection to tame human activities against interfering with the sanctuaries of nature. Forbidden forests, forbidden trees and the ever famous forbidden fruit are such tools of their trade, which served nigh well until the latter centuries when man became extremely ignorant of reality precipitated by the avalanche of defective knowledge base and leadership. Both the Ambũi and Airimũ are essentially of the same extension, as demagogues and tyrants can be grouped together. The Ambũi only think to be wise and sweet-talk others to frisk and rob them of their living. Of these are the many stock-brokers of the world, lawyers, inspiration speakers, con-artists and preachers of the gospel of prosperity and all such the like. They prey on the ignorance of others to trade their tailor made inventions whose main and sole goal is to enrich only themselves at the loss of all others. The A-iri-mu on the other hand are associated with tyranny and violence as is the meaning of the Sanskrit root iri, which are ways that result in final emancipation or death. Irimũ incidentally means an ogre, the bad man eating type in the Kikuyu dialect. Such would categorically include the thieves and murderers, to the destroyers of the environment as in greedy capitalists and tycoons. In the event that any of such gains the reins of power by demagoguery or other tyrannical methods, then death is the resultant.
The uncounted category or clan ha been called Warigia, which means the last, or left behind. However, their other description of Wamũyũ and Wanjũgũ, and that they are the hard working defers the left behind only to semantics and counting order. The one beyond the ninth according to the Agĩkũyũ culture was engaged in an ‘incestuous’ relation with the father, and also was it that was to inherit from the father. In respect to the broad implications, this last was an emulation of Gĩkũyũ and as such was the beneficiary of he deep rooted wisdom of God, and are the select few who throughout the ages are the messengers of the Creator to the world. According to Plato, these would be them who attune both their horses to the will of God and are therefore able to visualize the true forms of all entities and abide in this knowledge. It is the clan of the seldom rarity that attains to the perfect wisdom, and among the Agĩkũyũ legends, they were not countable as they truly could not form an entire clan by themselves. Thus all excuses of not accounting them with the clans and categories of humanity are the norm throughout all cultures of the world that feature the number nine. In Hebrew spirituality, they form the tithe portion that is holy to God. Wamũyũ refers t being tied or affixed to the broth, incidentally the same yũ broth as in Gĩkũ-yũ. In Ai-ca-kamũyũ, it means the ones who clearly certainly and continually affixed on the path of wisdom of the deep emanations. These therefore are reservedly the prophets of God throughout the ages and abounding all religions and cultures, and the clan is often tied up with the philosophers, with the rainmakers, with the healers, and even at times law abiding rulers, and by this virtue of traversing their identity and attributes through out the other clans, they only can be known as the hardworking.
In the Ituĩka legends of the Agĩkũyũ, the Mũgumo fig tree is said to pre-signify the all important spiritual destiny that carries the title. The tree is said to fall and split into two, as was evidenced in 1963, and fifty years later in 2012. These portent symbols that have recently emanated via the shrine of the Mĩgumo now twice requires to be regarded with utmost reverence and wisdom, for why the Creator chose to employ this traditional means of heralding the ituĩka signifies that His ways remain as they were of old. This is not to indicate that we need to revert to the traditional sacrificial system, for it has been established in diverse religious doctrines that the Creator did latter manifest as the Messiah to do away with such aspects of traditional cleansing rituals, and established in himself the perfect sanctification. But the eternal ways were never altered but only strengthened. Living at harmony with all of creation, and the Creator are such as were only buttressed by the Messiah’s mission. The itihasa-way it once was, and the ityasa-thus it is said, are the components of the ituĩka that are symbolized in the splitting of the Mũgumo. There is also another significant term that denotes the destiny of the world, which is Mau-mau. Whereas Kenya’s freedom struggle that went by this name is little understood in its spiritual derivative and destiny, Mau-mau symbolized the dual-fold nature of the ituĩka of knowledge by which the world will be liberated. To begin with, the word Mau means two Ma..s in Sanskrit, where Ma means truth among other relevant attributes. Mau in the Maasai language means twins and in reality ascribes to the Sanskrit reference. Mau likewise was not a new word to the Kikuyu language where the two areas of Mau Narok and Mau Nanyuk are shared with the Maasai. Likewise, there is the name Ka-mau that features within the tribe surnames and was indeed the original name of Kenya’s first president. Kamau would denote flowing double rivers, or flowing double truths, which in essence are the itihasa and the ityasa, the true history of origins and the philosophy or reason of entities. The freedom struggle by the title of Mau-mau rebellion therefore signified this flow of two truths having been interrupted by two periods of ituĩka’s, essentially two Jubilees from the years 1900 to 2012. The end of this interruption is complete, and the time for the eternal truth to be established and appreciated has come. The Lord who crated the Universe, and placed man upon earth is it who takes charge of this return, and whoever withstands his will and wisdom must be accounted with the fool whose place in society is no longer found according to the legend of the place of Ndiganĩro, the parting of ways. Such are the two clans of Wangũi and Wairimũ, the deceivers who enrich themselves by guile, and the tyrants which broadly encapsulate the thieves and murderers, sluggards and all antisocial traits. For society to thrive, the con-artist by whatever guise they presume to be professions, and the demagogues who use evil emotions to capitalise on the ignorance of people, in all their emanations require to be scraped off society. Which of course the Great God is working on, now that the era of enlightenment has been heralded by the sign of the second ituĩka signified by the Mũgumo of Nyeri in September 2012, that was signified in the parable (kĩriga) of Mau-mau.
Disregarding of this cultural omen that predates modernity, and the knowledge base to its relation and ascription as this short discourse is descriptive of, is to be on the wrong side of wisdom, and of history. None would genuinely wish to be proven by events for a fool, for even fools falter at being found out. And it is a terrible thing to fall in the retribution of the Lord Almighty.
Recalling the boundaries of nature as was established at creation, and at Mũkũrũe wa Nyaga-thanga should be the first step of penitence for having encroached on the forbidden tree environment, which shrines we have now throughout the earth foolishly and ruthlessly defiled. For this singular reason, when nature is left to take its course, great dearth would be upon the land, and therefore it is decreed that He comes to destroy those who destroy the earth. For how else can the planet sustain life at the ever increasing rate of defilement that she undergoes at the behest of the vain powerbrokers, who care not for the welfare of their subjects, and neighbours? Redressing nature is the initial step to true social penance, and only such agenda as this may guarantee the true progress of society ad earth. For until balance is restored, there can be no peace of the humans. The great news s that the Creator himself intervenes in the matter to safeguard the lives of his creation, to return the balance, and this He strongly manifests, and likewise guides by the release of the ancient deep rooted wisdom that solely emanated from Him.
As was mentioned earlier in another exposition on the relation of Mwene-Nyaga to Jehovah, that both are the same meaning in Sanskrit although using different syllables to name the real nature of who the Supreme Creator is. Now among the Agĩkũyũ worship system, the opening and closing phrase of the prayer, that still remain singularly associated with the Agĩkũyũ traditional original culture is commonly known to be Tha-ayi tha-ayi tha-tha-iya Ngai tha-ayi. Now the Sanskrit root tha, which also is dha, has numerous meanings such as possessing, granting, holding, bestowing all as adjectives and merit, virtue, property, wealth as possible nouns. Ayi is described as a vocative particle, or an article of encouragement or introducing a kind inquiry. The intonation is as such a kind enquiry to Ngai,-owner of the Universe, to bestow upon the worshipper with the particulars of merit, virtue and wealth as Ngai would find befitting, and as the rest of the prayer would be particularly requesting. The Sanskrit root of this prayer is thus established in such directness, and indeed almost the entire language of the Agĩkũyũ shares immensely with Sanskrit principals and structural meanings, suggestive that they are certainly sister languages if not one and the same. From the mythology of Mũkũrwe wa Nyaga-thanga, it is strongly plausible that Sanskrit had its roots in the lands of Eastern Africa among the Agĩkũyũ, during the reign of ancient Kings who ruled the entire world from this region
Most of the names for male children among the Agĩkũyũ also occur to have been the titles of age-sets and the ruling sets of history, which names served to describe the relevant events of antiquity for which the reign was most reasonably associated. Whereas historian’s attempts at deciphering the names of these age-sets and to ascribe their times in history have only presumed to date the naming to just a few centuries of years, a syllabic interpretation of these iconic names of the age-sets should shed light on that elusive aspect of historical events and time reckoning.
One source enumerates the succession of the main ruling age-sets (where each ruling age-sets had several sub-sets of which only those of the most recent main ruling set are traceable) as follows.
o Tene
o Nemathĩ
o Kariraũ
o Agu na agu
o Tiru
o Cuma
o Ciira
o Ndemi
o Mathathi
o Iregi
o Maina
o Mwangi
o Irũngũ
o Mwangi wa mandũti
Whereas some of these names have a direct meaning in their base language, and some are common masculine sir-names whose reference only is attributed to the age-sets without being given any other meanings, it would be resourceful to fetch their meanings from their syllabic combinations according to the principles of Mũkũrũe wa nyagathanga, and the association to Sanskrit language.
In Tene, the direct meaning in Kikuyu is early or real long time ago. Tene seemingly is from the word Tena, which among other things means ‘on that account’ or ‘for that reason’ and is also the cadence or note introductory to a song. Te itself means they, while ne suggests leading or coming first. Thus in all essence of the word, the meaning is maintained as they led, or were the first to be and were spent and done with. That really is descriptive of any point of a beginning, or the point even before a beginning.
Nemathĩ directly translated it which violates or contravenes the world. Ne as above intones leading, while ma means several things and attributes of which truth, water, wealth and poison are such examples. Thus for all the meanings of Nema that are configurable, there exists a meaning that means one other, and yet others such as half, several and one. Thĩ, or Dhĩ refers to such attributes as wisdom, intellect, science, knowledge, opinion, intention and includes meditation and religious thought. The combined meaning therefore would be broadly a reference to the first opinions and foundations of knowledge base formed, which further are described to have been several, but yet with one other featuring prominence. It is defined that diverse opinions were generated that systemically were abject from the one, and all these were therefore deficient sciences. The generation was it that first birthed deficient philosophies which in their entre essence are encapsulated in the term knowledge of evil.
Kariraũ in direct translation would be the rhetoric ‘who shepherds/hunts who’. Ka is many attributes such as sun, soul, wealth, time, light, splendour, and in essence denotes the dynamics of life and activity. Ri means splendour, whence the word kari means accomplishing or effecting, The ra denotes possessing, effecting or giving, and also heat, love gold desire as well as the similar meanings as ka. The full word hence intones a time of great accomplishment of amassing wealth and various human exploits, which would indicate some measure of selfishness and disregard of others welfares. An age called kali yuga is described as the age of pleasure and sensuality among Hindu knowledge base. The same word kari/kali as has meant pleasure is directly translated as dynamics in splendours, industrial and agrarian that eases the burdens of life and thereby results in easy living, which in all essence is great, but when exceeded beyond a certain thin line, translates to greed and laziness which are evil.
Agu na Agu, where gu refers to earth, water or cow, but the a preceding negates, agu thus means poor and lacking of the referred gu. Na broadly refers to negatives of such as war, jewels, knowledge, as outcomes mainly of the negative. The agu na agu therefore refers to the outcome that would ensue from over selfish mismanaged exploitation of resources, resulting in poverty, lack and want of the necessities of life, the earth, water and the cow… but with plenty of war, irrelevant artificial factors as jewellery and base knowledge, further resulting to the worsening of the condition and further emancipation. This agu is the age-set for which the ‘a long time ago’ derivation should be traced, the agu na agu. In direct Kikuyu meaning, agu implies to lack or that which lacks from the word aga, which indeed would be the real name of the generation as aga na agu. For agha means sinful, dangerous, bad, impure, suffering and pain. Aga means among other things the number seven, tree, snake, mountain and inability to walk, all being the symbol in religion for the fall of man, and the number for fulfilment of judgement.
Tiru, where ti signifies extension or elongation, and ru means war, noise, separation, cutting and fear, all factors of ũ-ru, which is to say evil. The tiru therefore must have witnessed a prolonged war, which was the war of the effects of their evil manipulations of nature and each other, against the outcome of such disregard of the immutable law, and so long as the time for reaping the evil they’d sown and cultivated had come to pass.
Cuma, in Kikuyu directly means metal. Cu/Su however in Sanskrit means mainly swiftness, and appropriately as well as easily, also the resultant or bearing forth. Combined with the meanings of ma, as in truth, Cuma signifies the swift and automatic dawn of an eventuality as had been occasioned by the prevalent evil and carelessness, which is the swift sword of reprisal. Indeed, the same attribute of cause and effect, is observed in the metal properties of elements, for which each element correspond to certain properties of strength or weakness according to its atomic structure and nature.
Ciira, in kikuyu means judgement. In Sanskrit, Cira means after a long time. Ci/Si means service, auspiciousness, peace and good fortune, while ira means chasing, driving, or wind. The combinations hence refers to the period for which the various attributes of good and mostly evil had been pursued for really long, and resulted to vanity, or when due service for acts good or evil were recompensed accordingly, as such the time of reckoning which is of judgement.
Ndemi in kikuyu translates a great cutting or division. De/te means they, in reference largely to do with deity, while mih refers to fog, mist, or downpour of water. The n preceding ascribes the relation of what had been the propensity, to the demarcation, lest ciira would perpetually continue, that they, the heavens or Deity in the heavens, poured down water. Certainly by the flood legend repeated narration in diverse cultures of the world, the times of Ndemi according to the Agĩkũyũ was that incidence of history, or a similar occurrence, but tied up to the same, between the biblical creation and the antediluvian flood. Ndemi was the division of ages, and the inhabitants of earth, and the universe at large by the waters of the flood as also many ancient records proscribe, the great division.
Mathathi now is the easy one, in cognizance of the attributes of ma and dhi already encountered. The new syllable tha/dha refers to possessing, bestowing, holding, merit, virtue and such the like. The entire conflagration of syllables refers therefore to the generation that truth was held for knowledge and wisdom, or that virtue and wealth was merited according to wisdom. One affected and possessed the other, the time when truth was wisdom, and that wisdom was the true riches. It was the true golden age of the world.
Iregi is in kikuyu for that refuses or denies, a great rebel. Re, associates with faltering and recession, while gir connotes with praising, language or a mountain. The iregi thus is descriptive of a period when they faltered from the truth and forgot to accord praise to the One it was due. They faltered in speech and language, suggesting that was the division of tongues, at the mythical multiplication of tongues at Babel, and as they faltered in their wisdom, so too did they falter from greatness. This legendary faltering from praise can aptly be described in the period known as the dark ages, when humanity engrossed themselves in the dark arts and systematically rebelled against the eternal truth.
Maina, Whereas na is a negative, ina ascribes to king, and hence Ma-ina variously means that truth, wealth and all such meanings were held in great esteem and were indeed the ruler of that generation. In direct Kikuyu meaning, Ma-ina reads a command to truth t sing. In the other possible syllable arrangement of the word Mai-na, it refers to the negation of Mai, which is Kikuyu for the waste products of metabolism. Thus altogether it describes a noble generation that did not mess around with impurities. The period may be discerned in the reformation that followed the dark-ages, but came just before the 19th century, for this latter time was associated by the wise to befall under Mwangi generation
Mwangi, when read with all vowels in place, ideally read as Mu-wa-na-gi. Mu is the association or binding, Wa refers to the comparison of likeness, na negates or implies lack, and gi is for fame and greatness. The entire combination thus refers to Mwangi as being bound to the likeness of negative fame. It is a generation that was to be famous in negative attributes. Incidentally, the patriarchs of the Agĩkũyũ did pinpoint his generation to have commenced with the dawn of colonialism by the European powers to Africa about the years of the 1880s. Mwangi was described as the ruling generation that was typically to be highly influenced by the colonialists. Some of the infamy of that generation was the utter disregard of the universal respect of nature as hordes of hunters, loggers and settlers set themselves full bore against the flora and fauna of all lands of earth in what is misconceived as the industrial revolution. For instead of a progression, the destruction meted on nature and the imbalance hence set in motion would eventually render this planet unsuitable for life, as even now we experience with the ever threat of global warming. The introduction of cash crops to Kenya highlands, tea and coffee, from the 1900s commenced the systematic destruction of the water towers, as the virgin highlands were cleared to give way t the exotic beverage plants, whose total relevance and importance in the world will never come close to the ills the same have been the basis for. It is this generation too that commenced modernity with its war machine, which in a single war has been responsible for greater destruction of earth and human life than many wars of the ancient generations. The same generation was associated with the population explosion, itself a greatness of reference which is associated with numerous imbalances and evils.
Irũngũ, wherein rũ means various effects of war and division or industriousness, irũ circumscribes to the effectors of the action rũ, and typically refers to citizens. Gũ which is also Kũ means going, but also encompasses other attributes of depreciation and reproach, including the meaning of a female pizaca or goblin. The same ngũ as in the infamy of Wangũ wa makeri, which translates as likeness of female demon as the philosophies of the earth. Gũ in all its essences refers to the inferior wisdom of earth s compared to the eternal, and is therefore one that leads to deficiency, guilt and reproach. These reproaches and evils would however be emanating from the citizens themselves rather than from an invading force. The generation of Irũ-ngũ, by such description is identifiable as when most citizens of the world were free from the shackles of colonialism but yet and had the power to administer their own lands and kin, but unfortunately only furthered a base course of reproaches. It was also within this era that once again the feminist indoctrination bore roots, akin to the ancient legend of the great feminist demons that once sat on met literally. The eternal truth that each of the genders have their ideal attributes and positions to so supplement each other is often ignored to the peril of humanity by the imbalances so produced. From the 1960s can this generation be deemed to have commenced, and among the people of the figs, the occasion was heralded by the falling of the Mũgumo wa Thĩka, in 1963. This generation also is the 13th from the accounting of generations of the earth, whereupon the ancient mysticism in regard to number thirteen duly should be investigated.
Mwangi wa mandũti, For after thirteen comes the last noted generation of the fourteen, whose heralding was all the hullabaloo and mysticism associated with the illusions of the year 2012. The Mũgumo wa Nyĩrĩ falling in September 2012 must have been this same herald, and in the course of the year, and onward, the earth is shifting from the 13th generation to that described by ancient enumeration a Mwangi wa manduti. Mwangi meaning remains as already encountered the great likeness of infamy. The wa is the comparison of likeness. In Ma-dũ-ti, ma renders truth, dũ means pain/distress and ti means patience or longing for, to render the word as referring to the resultant in pain and distress eventually realized from the infamy of a long duration. The generation typically encompasses a time when the abiding generations on earth are bound to experience the resultant of their acts of evil and infamy, typically from the times of Mwangi. The truth of our selfish narrow minded perspectives on life over the last odd century, whereupon truth has been dejected and in its place deficient philosophies upheld, is eventually left to emanate its fruits of pain and distress of nations and people. It is therefore not just coincidence that many regions on earth have heightened crisis of humanity and war escalating from the year 2013. What the world is to shortly experience is the full ugly result of what we have all along sown. It is the time of reaping, the generation of God’s judgement upon earth. This is the generation whereby the bible narrates the shortening of the times, without which no souls would be saved alive, but that for the sake of the elect, the period is shortened. It may be that this fourteenth generation ought to have been left to thrive for a jubilee, but in that it only is a reaping period, there are numerous biblical references to a period of seven years, and that being shortened ends up as three and a half years. We are shortly therefore fist to witness the product of the world’s cultivation over the last odd century, and the intervention of the Almighty in the midst of the crisis, lest the elect of God perish within this unpalatable generation.
Thus are the fourteen generations of the earth according to the Agĩkũyũ ruling age-sets, orally handed down through many undetermined generations until when they were first recorded in writing in the early nineteenth century. So simple to remember were the words encoded, and the prophecy has been supported by the current events and supernatural phenomenon known as the ituĩka, the timely falling down and splitting in two of famous ancient Mũgumo, held as sacred by the inhabitants of the alter lands of the Lord of heaven and earth. The prophecies eventually prove themselves to the letter, as does the biblical ones when they too are correctly analyzed.
So overwhelming is the weight of evidence that indeed God has the upper hand in determining the course of the universe that it begs of us to be totally ashamed of out blindness to truth, and to speedily relent our evil ways and return to the truth, and to God, that we may live. For a man’s life consists not in the abundance of hoarded wealth, or any of the tangible aspects we foolishly cling to, but rather in wisdom and truth, the pillars of faith without which it is impossible to please God. Man’s chance of living solely is in the hands of God, and humans should do well to live out their name, to be a living sacrifice perpetually offered to God, that is figuratively. For only in so doing can we please our Creator, and fulfil our dharma, destiny and purpose for which we are here. Why should we die the death of fools?
thank you john.
it seems that god has has placed in each culture a sense of timing, and a sense of when time has run out.
so each person should allow themselves to be quickened by the holy spirit, and respond to his promptings for holiness and peace.
When considering a prophecy through a dream or vision to its Authenticity there are three points to be considered 1) the interpretation points or is directed to the salvation 2) it relates Biblically 3)The dream or vision come off the natural while at absolute rest & not induced whatsoever.
Dear Marianne -The believer being one with Christ – And quickened by the Spirit
Do you know that unless you emerge into a oneness with the Spirit of Holiness, or the Spirit of Christ, you have no eternal life nor hope of glory. This is the cause for which the church has not been glorified as of yet. They have become alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, because of their unbelief, and the lack of performance of the Word of God in their lives, being enemies to God, by the carnal mind, which is not subject to the Spirit; whereas the mind of Christ is of heavenly constitution, bringing from the heart, the daily issues of life, faith working by love, translating the inward spirit, transforming the mind or intelligence, and resulting in a transfiguration of the human body by divine inspiration from glory to glory, which is revealed from faith to faith by means of the Word of revelation.
This is why so many people will miss the rapture, because it is an inward work, the kingdom of God within you, whereas humanity seeks it by observation, or after the outward appearance, while God looketh upon the heart.
The separation from Egypt is the outer man perishing through self-denial; not the body, but the inbred satanic mind and system that has robbed God of His creation, Pharaoh and his followers perishing in the Red Sea of Calvary, by means of the crucifixion and the atonement.
First step: instantaneous change or translation of the spirit into the inward kingdom of God.
Next, the progressive journey or pilgrimage through the wilderness, that is to say, intellectual differentialities, the pilgrimage of death, hell, and resurrection, bringing forth the inward spirits – the souls in prison – into the glorious liberties of grace, wrought in the outer man, the new body of Christ, which is Canaan land, having borne the image of the earthy, the beast image, which was derived from the fall, after new birth and regeneration, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly, Christ’s body and image, the house Peter spoke of in the Spirit, eternal in the heavens, (spirit) not made with hands.
Second step: transformation of the mind, this being progressively by means of intellectual differentialities, by exercising the senses and discerning between good and evil. Now then, entering into Canaan, overcoming the giants of opposition (fallen angels) that inhabit the body. Paul said, “ Within my flesh there dwelleth no good thing,” (repercussions from sensual appetites).
Third step: transfiguration of the human body by divine illumination and the conquering of the outer man. It’s not I that liveth, but Christ, from the world of sight to the world of Faith, through the Wilderness of the Intellect.
You have just read about the 7 Seals and the Plan of Redemption that Jesus Christ gave us back—- after the fall of Adam. Praise God I know it’s the Truth.
God bless you all – Bro. Ty
Tom,
So which site did you copy and paste the above from this time?
So when John was in heaven and witnessing and recording the following……
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb”. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, “Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. Amen”.
And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, “What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?” And I said unto him, “Sir, thou knowest.” And he said to me, “These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.” Revelation 7:9-17.
…. it sure sounds like a literal, (rather than merely a spiritual, or as the author of what you have copied and pasted says, an inward work), event to me???
This is why I will continue to quote 2 Timothy 2:15-19.
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
We praise God whether or not any of what you have pasted above has any truth to it whatsoever.
We praise God simply because He is God and worthy of all Praise.
Amen.
A.
tom
You are describing the born again experience. And as born again believers, we continue on in this earthly life, until it is time for us to leave.
Since this born again experience has already occurred, it would not need to be repeated at the rapture experience.
but true, only born again believers will be raptured.
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the question here, then is not what does being born again mean, but what IS the rapture?
you seem to say it is continued transformation on earth
and the other view its that that the transformation is achieved in a twinkling of an eye, and we are caught up with the Lord in the air, for a heavenly experience.
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so the challenge to you is to prove we remain on earth, and are not caught up to heaven.
You are right-on Tom. Christians have a huge wake up call coming. The luke-warm will not get into heaven. Read the parables. Luke 9:23 tells us unless we deny self then forget it. Either you are a slave to sin or a slave to Jesus. How many preachers are telling the masses that don’t worry God will take you out before any tribulation but mean time in Africa, China and the Mid East believers are being persecuted and killed, no rapture for these believers? Yet Martha knew when the rapture would be (Jn 11:24).
Jesus said there must be a great falling away first both in Matt 24 and 2 Thess 2-3. In John 6 Jesus tells us who is going and when. God bless all the true believers.
Hi Alan,
First of all Tom York didn’t write the above. It was merely copied and pasted from some website.
Secondly did you fully comprehend what it says?
The actual author that wrote the above believes that the resurrection, or in other words the return of Yeshua, (Jesus) has already taken place!!!
That the blessing of the Holy Spirit that was given on Pentecost, was in their opinion, the Second Coming of Yeshua.
This is the doctrine that Tom is preaching here. This is why I closed with 2 Timothy 2:15-19., above.
Tom has also expressed, (among other things), that there is no hell and that satan himself is not an entity, but is only the evil that is in the carnal man’s heart.
I do agree with what you have said above though Alan.
Many are unfortunately indifferent to their being saved, and have not realized the depth of the Sacrifice that was given on their behalf by Yeshua.
Many believe that Yeshua’s death was a “free ticket” and that they can continue to live in their sins, rather than being obedient to all of His teachings.
I believe that many will be surprised one day, beyond their imagination, I just pray, with the lifting up of our Lord as being Absolutely Everything in my life, that somehow in His Compassion, Mercy and Grace that I am not one of them.
Be blessed in Yeshua HaMashiach our KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Amen.
Hi, thank you for that awakening, I definitely misread the post. God bless.
No problem Allan.
Be Blessed in Yeshua our Everything.
Amen.
Let’s put it this way, its way past midnight, its nearly morning. Those that ascended did so in perfect timing. Why did some ascend prior to others? They seriously did their homework and put the real effort into healing their own consciousness, instead of reading bibles and discussing scripture 24/7.
Scriptures do mention of ‘Principalities & powers & wickedness in heavenly like places ” to an ascension indeed.(where the so called Masters ascend to), to a hurried timing in sin., which is but to the Biblical words “Fear not the one who can harm your body but fear the one who can both kill the body & destroy the soul in hell” that which the Bible states is being prepared for such, unfortunately not to their timings
Remember the promise given to the 7 churches and
to philladelphia to keep it from the hour of tpp
That which came unto Jesus in the wilderness “Led by the Spirit to be tempted off the devil” to the test, for the prince of this world spares none to his job which is to tempt, even the Son of God. To this is the words in Rev. of the manner ‘For the hour of temptation will come upon all that dwells on the face of the earth” & unto this did Jesus say unto the Elect of Church of Philadelphia ‘I will keep you from the hour of temptation” which is not to mean keeping you away from it but through it. From the hour of temptation means from falling into the temptation to simply mean He will be with you through the temptation from falling into it. These words not understood in the proper context have given rise to the false theory of the “Pre Trib” rapture to a running away, to the present day Complacency(to the emphasis on the words of Jesus “Remember Lot’s wife”) against faith, against His words “Fear not, for I am with you”. Do be aware, for it comes as a spiritual temptation like that come unto the first parents, unto Jesus, tempted in the Spirit, directly from satan.
abey
true
bible says that a thousand can fall to our side, and ten thousand can fall to our right, but it will not come near us.
we must have faith, submit to God, and resist the devil., and he will flee from us.
All is good when spoken in General is but to understand in the specifics ,lest one be deceived. Reflecting Christ by his words “I come not to condemn but to save” which is to be bold enough to say “I am my Brothers Keeper” remembering that Jesus did give a new commandment.
zēus , i m., = ζαιός,
I.a kind of fish (pure Lat. faber), Col. 8, 16, 9; Plin. 9, 18, 32, § 68.
A Latin Dictionary. Founded on Andrews’ edition of Freund’s Latin dictionary. revised, enlarged, and in great part rewritten by. Charlton T. Lewis, Ph.D. and. Charles Short, LL.D. Oxford. Clarendon Press. 1879
Ζεῦς (Διεύς, root διϝ), gen. Διός, dat. Διί, acc. Δία, voc. Ζεῦ, also gen. Ζηνός, dat. Ζηνί, acc. Ζῆν（α): Zeus (Diespiter, Juppiter; cf. Ζεῦ πάτερ, Il. 3.320), the son of Cronos and the father of gods and men, god of the lightning, the clouds and weather, of time itself, hence ὑψίζυγος, αἰθέρι ναίων, Διὸς ὄμβρος, Διὸς ἑνιαυτοί, εὐρύοπα, ἐρίγδουπος πόσις Ἥρης, αἰγίοχος, ὑψιβρεμέτης, νεφεληγερέτα, κελαινεφής, στεροπηγερέτα, τερψικέραυνος, ἀστεροπητής, ἀργικέραυνος, ἐριβρεμέτης. Zeus is the sender of portents, and the shaper of destiny, πανομφαῖος, Διὸς τάλαντα, etc.; he is the protector of kings, of suppliants, of house and court, and he presides over the fulfilment of oaths, διοτρεφεῖς, διογενεῖς βασιλῆες, Ζεὺς ξείνιος, ἱκετήσιος, ἑρκεῖος. The original meaning of the root of the word is the brightness of the sky, afterwards personified; cf. δῖος, Lat. sub divo.
zeus-Dagon-Dragon-Fish god-nimrod-satan-mitre-pope-etcetera.
Ĭēsus (in late Lat. also dissyl.), u, m., = Ἰησοῦς,
I.Jesus Christ, Juvenc. 2, 106; Prud. Apoth. 770 al.
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Off topic but interesting
prŏbăta , ōrum, n., = πρόβατα,
I.sheep (post-Aug. for oves), Plin. 7, 2, 2, § 16.
illūmĭnātor (inl- ), ōris, m. id.,
I.an enlightener (eccl. Lat.), trop.: “religionis Christus,” Tert. Adv. Marc. 4, 17 fin.: “noster Deus,” Lact. 6, 18
(Illuminati, satan, etc).
con-gentīles , ium, m.,
I.kindred, of the same stock, Inscr. Orell. 2491; cf. congentilis, ὁμόεθνος, Gloss. Philox.
A Latin Dictionary. Founded on Andrews’ edition of Freund’s Latin dictionary. revised, enlarged, and in great part rewritten by. Charlton T. Lewis, Ph.D. and. Charles Short, LL.D. Oxford. Clarendon Press. 1879.
these are language differences, and translation difference.
in greek, salvation i think is procounced “sootpia”
sounds funny ….god understands what we mean….glad he does.
Jesus asks “When I return will I find faith” Restitution without faith is as a donkey’s tale. As far as names, the Bible calls God as the “Father of Spirits” which head be the Holy Spirit & HE the Father of it. In the same way is stated of God as the “Father of Lights” which light is Christ & HE the Father of it. Now it is given unto man to call God as “Our Father” by the Lords prayer, the name Jesus himself calls & the name which the Holy Spirit calls the Father “ABBA” thus the name given ABBA -FATHER, what is more Holier than this- The very name the Holy Spirit & the Son continuously calls God . So why go into all that Phd confusions.
I saw a bird fly to my window today the bird landed on the window seal the bird flap its wing and fly away. On sept 22, 2015 I had a vision I was on my way to work l was walking to the gate in my yard a very big bird landed in front of me and give me money another bird came and give me money three bird give me money and said GOD said you either seen nothing yet I told the bird to tell GOD thank you and I look up to heavens l saw heaven open and birds coming and going to heaven going to other places in the world then the heaven closed and I heard a voice say this is for appoint time.
joyce
nice dream of god blessing you!