Babylon destroyed by a millstone

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What is this millstone?

Rev 18: 21

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Characteristics of the destruction

Starts with a great millstone cast into the sea

See scripture given above

Death mourning famine – verse 8

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her.

Burning and smoke – verse 9, 18

And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What [city is] like unto this great city!

Occurs in one hour – quick destruction – verses 10, 19

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Although the stone is cast into the sea, only Babylon is destroyed.

Other cities mourn and fear at a distance. – verses 11, 17, 19

And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buys their merchandise any more:

For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Destruction is violent – verse 21

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

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Thoughts

A millstone is an inanimate object, and not flammable.

So a burning stone seems like a paradox.

Stones do not burn but this one seems to bring or create fire

Perhaps the destruction causes things to explode, creating fire.

Or, the stone is an object that brings fire with it.

Also the round shape of the stone is of interest.

A millstone also has a hole in it.

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Why a hole?

The bible could have just said a falling star or a rock, but why a round object with a hole in it?

Using some imagination, I get images like these:

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Are these images of something to fall from the sky?

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This last image seems to be the closest to one of a millstone design. So what does it mean?

So, I can understand a meteor, or debris from a large comet or passing space object,

but ….

what is this millstone, a round stone with a hole in it, which splashes into the sea, that directly targets and burns one city in the entire world, and leaves the others untouched.?

Is this millstone just a metaphor?

Or is it an actual object the size of a city?

Interestingly, the very next 2 verses indicate all the daily activity that will stop due to the destruction:

No harps, no music, no crafts, will be heard

No light will shine, no voices of bride and groom

And no sound of a millstone…….!

Revelation 18:22-23

And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft [he be], shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

The millstone is definitely a judgment that Jesus talked about.

It is a punishment for harming children:

Mark 9:42

And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

Maybe the millstone that the angel uses is a real giant millstone, designed to cast the wicked Babylon into the sea.


149 Responses to “Babylon destroyed by a millstone”

  1. Good speculation but I don’t think we know whether the passage is literal or metaphorical. Jesus did use the passage you quote about “harming these little ones”, and better to be cast with a millstone into the sea.” So possibly it will be just a metaphor for destruction which comes to those who harm children. We do harm children as a nation, by our laws on abortion being allowed. This is why I won’t vote for anyone who supports abortion,
    no matter what other good qualities he/she may have.

    However, apart from the murder of the unborn, our society is harming children through pornographic TV, immodest clothing for all (including children), justification of children involved too early in sex, and a myriad of other things we do, apart from “sex”, to make their minds not look for God.
    We deliberately take God from them. My son tries to do that with his children but fortunately there are other forces at work in their environment, so they know about God.

    We are no worse than many other countries, though, in America. Some countries still have child slavery and child marriage, not to speak of injustice against adults which we read about every day. We, Babylon, surely are not the only one God intends judgement for? In some ways, we are better than many other repressive nations. We are not all bad. Pray
    for God’s mercy on us, on each of us who make up America/Babylon.

  2. All I can add is that a hour in Biblical prophetical time is about 2 weeks (15.44days) normal time, as for the burning, we know that nuclear will surely be used by the nations involved in this coming war, which is not far off any more. If we look at all the happenings in the middle east and especially Iran’s threat of developing nuclear capabilities and the thread it poses to Israel and even the countries around it, together with the unwillingness of USA and other western countries to really do something to stop it, is going to force Israel to take military action against them for their own survival and this could just be the spark needed to light the fuse.

    We are surely entering the most darkest hour in human history, truly if God don’t shorten the days and intervene, there would indeed be no survivors left. Man would destroy himself and earth totally because of his greed and lust for power over others.

    • A personal observation🙂 –
      I question whether we will experience nuclear war as we move to the closing of the age of man on earth and the Second Coming of Christ – since the Seventh Seal (just after Christ gathers the righteous at the close of the Sixth Seal ) clearly mentions the presence of green trees and green grass.

      Fifth Trump: Re 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

  3. Rev 17 and 18 is about the USA. In June 2006 Obama speech about religion and politics, he spoke about the hole that could not be fixed by the government.

    Also the 42 months in Rev 11 and Rev 13 is next June 2012.

    Isaiah 32 is relevant at the moment.

    THE MILLSTONE

    The Talmud then mentions the millstones so what is to be ground up for the people? Revelation chapter 18 mentions the millstones and that chapter is about the USA. My view of this is that we shall take the millstones of the USA and grind it up in heaven and make it into manna. Chapter 18 states that it is the finality of Babylon’s doom when the millstone is thrown into the sea.

    However, there is still something that we can do to help them. Their prayers have been heard in heaven, and we can deliver the manna to help them in this timeline. A millstone is symbolic of a ‘heavy burden’, and the Roman Church certainly put that upon those Americans that accepted it.
    http://academysounds.blogspot.com/2011/10/shechakim-usa.html

    MONDAY, 25 JULY 2011

    Drugs Stumbling Blocks
    In the weeds and tares post, it mentions the stumbling blocks and hemp is made into blocks. Luke chapter 17, also mentions the things that cause people to stumble. “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. It would be better for them to be thrown in the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. So watch yourselves”.

    Do drugs cause the little ones to stumble? Yes. What is important about this text, is that those that introduce the children to drugs carry a very heavy karma. He is saying woe to the drug barons and their dealers. However, if they repent they can be forgiven.

    He then mentions the Mulberry tree, and how easy it is for them to be uprooted and planted in the sea. What is planted in the sea? Islands and sailors, the navy. This is clearly to do with karma. Those that are drug dealers are sent to sea, who suffer the consequences for what they have done. He knew the Isaiah prophecies regarding the Islands in the last days of the end times.
    http://academysounds.blogspot.com/2011/07/drugs-stumbling-blocks.html

    FRIDAY, 2 DECEMBER 2011

    RON PAUL AND HEROIN
    In this video Ron Paul explains why its OK to legalize heroin. Ron Paul is basically trying to win the support of the Liberal drug users. Of course he would he is a doctor and doctors are in bed with the pharmaceutical industry.
    http://academysounds.blogspot.com/2011/12/ron-paul-and-heroin.html

    FRIDAY, 2 DECEMBER 2011

    LIBERALS ISAIAH 32
    We did make a feature of Isaiah 32 in 2010 on the Kingdom of Righteousness. However, last night another part of Isaiah 32 was given to me to review and I was amazed to see that it speaks of the LIBERALS in the KJV translation.

    ‘The vile person shall be no more called LIBERAL, nor the churl said to be bountiful. For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungary, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fall.

    The instruments also of the churl are evil, ye deviseth wicked devices, to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right. But the liberal deviseth liberal things, and by liberal things shall he stand.

    Rise up you women that are at ease, hear my voice, he careless women, for the vintage shall fail. the gathering shall not come. Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled ye careless ones; strip you and make you bare and gird sackcloth on your loins.

    They shall lament for the teats, for the pleasant fields, for the fruitful vine. Upon the land of my people shall come up thorns and briars; yes, upon all of the houses of joy in the joyous city. Because the palaces shall be forsaken; the multitude of the city shall be left. the forts and towers shall be for dens for ever, a joy of wild asses, a pasture of flocks.
    for more
    http://academysounds.blogspot.com/2011/12/liberals-isaiah-32.html

    • Eliakim,

      Considering your post above – It will not be long before desolation occurs.

      Seems clear to me, she will be taken down “in one hour” very soon.

      The One World Tower is complete, which is a representation of “the Tower Babel”, compete with a minaret (Muslim call to worship post) at the top of the tower. The cabal

      Here are links to support this hypothesis about her:

      http://yahushua.net/babylon/liberty/pagan_statue.htm

      http://yahushua.net/babylon/liberty/whore.htm

      http://yahushua.net/babylon/

      The Harbinger – 9/11

      http://pepperhawkfarm.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/americas-destiny-9-harbingers-of-judgement-part-ii-by-willibeaux-contributor/

      The event that will destroy her will wake up sleeping virgins, unplug many from the World (Matrix) and revival breaks forth form this plague/judgement.

      “A revival breaks the power of the world and of sin over Christians…They have a new foretaste of heaven and new desires after union with God; and the charm of the world is broken and the power of sin is overcome.

      When the churches are thus awakened and reformed, the reformation and salvation of sinners will follow, going through the same stages of conviction, repentance, and reformation. Their hearts will be broken down and changed” (Charles G. Finney, Evangelist, business man – spiritual leader of the great NYC revival, 1857).

      When she dies – many repent, seeking God through His Son and our Messiah.

      Others harden their hearts (will) and reject the Gospel. “So bye, bye Ms. American Pie…”

      Then, we who are alive move into the 4th seal and he is revealed before our eyes.

      But, we overcome him by the Blood of the Lamb and our testimony, even to the point of death (Revelation 12:11), remaining faithful until He comes for His bride, purified by fire (Rev. 3:18-21).

      “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened…Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

      Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:20-31, NKJV).

      The day is coming very soon when reading, sharing like this will come to an end.

      We join small groups of Believers, staying within homes until it passes over. Just like the plagues passed over the Children of God in Egypt so long ago.

      “Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; And the earth will reveal her bloodshed and will no longer cover her slain” (Isaiah 26:20-21).

      Father God, thank you for this special time with my son in Arizona. Bless our time together this weekend, sharing the bounty of Your great goodness and mercy, giving us the opportunity to be fans, enjoying a big-time college football game under the lights. In Jesus name, amen.

      Blessings
      Psalm 23

  4. Marianne

    If you got the last bit then undersand this bit. We are becoming human.

    • mick

      this man is part of the apostate Episcopal Church.

      While he may be right about controlling people in the church, which is also true everywhere, he is NOT correct about

      hell – it really exists – jesus spoke about it, and jesus is a much better expert than this guy

      being born again – this does not mean we are immature, but mature.

      he denies the salvation of jesus

      being “human” is not something we become……as a growth experience….we see what happens when “humanity” abandons the God of the bible and tries to control everything. there is moral and civil evil….murders, lies, etc.

      this man is just a heretic leading others astray….he is basically saying we don’t need God, our creator to exist….

      he is very WRONG.

      and he will believe in hell when he gets there….because he is not leaving….and will have plenty of time to accept its reality

      • Are you God now Marianne? Authority is given to YOU to make decisions and judgments about where people are going? Don’t you see the inherent arrogance and contempt you have for God by making these statements?

        I would caution you not to violate the Law and falsely accuse people before the Lord…which is all you, as a human, can do…YOU are not equipped to 1) make these statements or 2) stand in judgement of your fellow man. You are NOT an accurate witness to this mans judgement or his soul or his purpose.

        Your words betray your arrogant and so called ‘righteous’ spirit and bring shame to Christians, defeating the purpose of His death as a witness to ALL humanity the LOVE, FORGIVENESS and COMPASSION of the Lord.

        How can you ignore that ALL, everything will be under the authority of Christ…doesn’t he say that ‘he will draw ALL men to him (or did I miss the part where he stated it would only be Marianne and the people who agree with her?)’. How can you misunderstand that while our savior was being tortured, hung on a cross, his whole being was consumed with love, compassion AND forgiveness for all humanity?

        It is almost as though Christians read the bible and have absolutely NO understanding of the contents…it seems completely wasted on them…you all just love and thirst after your ‘destruction’ principles…I don’t know that you understand your visitation at all…in this way you remind me more of bloodthirsty Edom than you do of a child of the living God. Once again I am ashamed of my religion.

        • meatpoet

          the man condemns himself. unless he repents, he will end up in hell and bring others with him.

          we are to point out the wrongs of others. it does not make us arrogant to point out sin and warn of the need for repentance.

          john the baptist did the same thing. do you think he was blood thirsty too.?

          • Luke 9:54-55
            (54) When James and John saw this, they said to Jesus, “Lord, should we call down fire from heaven to burn them up?” (55) But Jesus turned and rebuked them, (56) for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” And they went on to another village.

            Even the disciples had NO understanding of the work of our King and Messiah because they were convinced of their own righteousness.

            I see you are determined to cling to Satan and his principles in your heart. For Satan came to steal, kill, and destroy. Don’t you know that the desires of your heart are made manifest to God? It is not your privilege to convict men of sin!

            How can you compare yourself to John the Baptist…aren’t you striving to be part of the Kingdom of Heaven…with a higher understanding of the will of God?

            Matthew 11:11
            I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

            If you cannot grasp the basics of the Kingdom of Heaven, you will indeed remain at the level of John the Baptist and you will not enter the Kingdom in the Kingdom age.

            Here, lets try this…the nature of God is love, compassion, forbearance, mercy and truth. The nature of Satan is judgment, destruction, death. Which are you dwelling on? What is in your heart? Will you be declared righteous in Gods eyes because you are imitating Satan? Shouldn’t you, in all your endeavors, with your whole heart, imitate the love, compassion, forbearance mercy and truth of God?

            I, personally, believe that there is judgement for sin, but in many ways this man is closer to the Lord and further from Satan in his thinking than your average Christian. Compassion and love have no relationship with eternal torture…what has torture to do with the Love of our creator? It is patently clear to me that there is a huge disconnect and misunderstanding of the nature and character of God in the church today.

            I don’t understand why you fear the compassionate nature of the Lord…or why you think that if you adopted compassion over judgment you yourself would be judged sinful. I guess what I am hearing is that it is better for Christians to display the character of Satan than the character of God. Hmm…no wonder most Christians don’t understand why death is devouring them.

            • i am not calling fire down from heaven. I just made an evaluation of what the man said in the video, and that is the conclusion. Based on his own comments and decisions, not mine, this would be the conclusion to what he said. If he denies the need for being born again, and rejects hell and Jesus as the way to the Father, this is his decision, not mine.

              this is just logic.. if you said you planned on standing outside in the rain, I would be right in saying you are going to get wet. I did not make you stand in the rain to begin with. My conclusion is an outcome of your decision and behavior.

            • Meatpoet
              Are You not condemning Marianne, by saying; “if you cannot grasp the basics of the kingdom of heaven….you will not enter the kingdom in the kingdom age”? This statement is no different than saying you are going to hell. One shows denial of a positive, while the other shows a negative. Both however are negative statements.

              This attitude, is visible all the time in the world. One group condemns another, and then the other complains they were offended and in turn condemns the other group. Submitting to God, on the other hand, is the most liberating thing a person can do. It is a sign of strength, and not of weekness.

        • He came not to condem and destroy, but to bring everlasting life.
          He came that All Men will be save, Timothy. His will, will be done.
          those working in the field have a problem with those being save at the last minute, parable of the workers.

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  6. We need to be born again in order to be saved ! and yes hell exist, and this man proclaiming false informations about the way to be saved, will find out what hell is, if he doen’t change his wrong thinking

  7. ““humanity abandons the God of the bible and tries to control everything”

    But God controls everything doesn’t he? Each will return from whence they came and born again humans (the indigenous meek) will re-inherit the Earth. Does Hell exist? yes, in our heads until we are reborn as innocents. Is it a threat, no, it’s just a fact. The dragon which is wrapped around the world will be destroyed and we will be freed from the non indigenous one.

    • hi mick

      what i meant was that man’s fallen, fallible nature tends to try to take the control away from God, and when he does this, he is destructive.

      god is the only one who knows what he is doing…

      if we are born again, we don’t have to worry about hell.

  8. It is the “worm in our head which takes us there
    Mark 9:46
    Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”
    The worm is the child of the Dragon. The question is, from where does this Dragon come from of which we are just victims?

  9. Hi Mr Meatpoet

    If all Marianne, as a human, can do is to violate the law and to falsely accuse people before the Lord as you claim, then you are either not a human being, or you are simply committing that offence with your comment … or what do you think?

  10. A milstone grinds to dust, or small bits. Someone who does not understand an atomic weapon might say it is like a milstone that destroys a city.

    Babylon becomes one city where the Anti-Christ rules from in the end times. Iraq holds a lot of oil wealth. If Iran screws up, Iraq may become HQ for oil out of the Middle East.

    Just throwing it out there. Lucifer’s system is rooted in money, and power. Not love.

  11. High Marianne,
    I don’t want to get off the subject of the Millstone that God uses to destroy Babylon, but I did want to say AMEN! to your assessment of the guy in the video, the humanist; Mr lost man; Mr Rationalist; Mr Philosopher; Mr Christ rejector; Mr Worldly wise man, yes the man in the video who doesn’t believe the Bible, the man who looks to his own inventions, and the philosophies of men to solve problems that man thru sin has brought about, that can only be solved by God, thru the redemption that is in Christ.

    Col. 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in Him:
    7 Rooted and built up in Him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
    8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
    9 For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    The man in the video has been spoiled by the philosophies of this world system, and has rejected Christ and the Bible.
    Here we are admonished, by Paul, to walk by faith (we receive Christ by faith, vs 6); Paul tells us in Rom. 10:17, that faith comes by hearing the Word of God; Jam 2:14ff, tells us that faith is obeying the Word of God.
    The man in the video denies that the Bible, and what it says, has any relevance to us, but that churches trying to control people. The man is obviously, unregenerate; a Christ rejector like the Pharisees of old. You are right! If he doesn’t repent of the fact that he is a sinner, and accept that Christ died for him, and receive Christ, he will most assuredly experience hell, the second death, with all its fury.
    Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
    8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
    Furthermore, Jesus said, we will know whether a person is false or true, by their fruits; He also said that what comes out of a mans mouth comes out of his heart. This mans words were VERY revealing to one who has been born again; one who is a true disciple Jesus Christ! This man basically despises churches, and people who follow the Bible.

    As for Mr meatpeot, he is one proud peacock to lambast you like he did! Who is he? He has set himself up as a judge. His own commentary reveals that he has no true understanding of the Bible; that is obvious by his answers from the Bible. He doesn’t understand the true nature of God either. I won’t waste time answering his ridiculous suppositions; a true follower of the Bible, a born again Christian, can discern from his own words, his errors, & where he’s coming from.

  12. Bishop Spong is a blessed man and in the Church many have tried to share truth with the people. Even the last Pope told you that heaven and hell is within. It was televised but very few saw it. Only those that have experienced the hell within experienced on earth truly understand it. The same with the heavenly states of being. Some priests have also been called heretics for wishing the people to know the truth. Rome gave the people what orthodox mindsets of the day chose to give to the people. There are a vast amount of texts that were not included because the orthodox mindsets did not understand most of it. There was also a vast amount removed from the bible between the Origin and Jerome version. One of the first things a Christian should do if they are going to rely texts is learn about the history of the texts, translations and compilations.

    Paul and Jesus Christ both knew that the whole truth and nothing but the truth wouldn’t be shared about what they said. That is why Jesus told his followers that all would be disclosed in the last days of the end times. That means the truth that has not already been shared with you, or truth that you are not ready to hear.

    “An open mind is an open heart and an open heart is an open mind” from Sacred Words

    • Bishop Spong is a heretic that denies the sacrificial work of Jesus as necessary for salvation. He denies what jesus taught also about hell, which is a real place.

  13. An Boehm a born again is a person that is born again of the Spirit in other words they are a Son of God. The Church never understood those teachings other because you won’t find all of the details in the bible. The last thing that the Church required was people coming to know that they could be born again a Son of God, otherwise they would have simply been out of a job. Hence why the the LORD God chose to reveal the Dead Sea Scrolls when the Harp of Faithfulness was arriving to ensure that people knew that Sons of God and Holy Spirits always was part of ancient Judaism before the Rabbi’s buried it.

    In effect, Christians have only been given one version of the truth as Paul told his followers, you were given the milk, your weren’t ready for the meat and you are still not ready.

  14. http://www.vaticanassassins.org
    I am tired of being political correct, so therefore I am going to say my say.
    All you Roman Catholics I dare you to go to above site and see what Rome is cooking up, then come and tell me you are correct in your assessments, or will you still deny that you are being led by your noses as lambs unto the slaughter house. WAKE up before it is too late, how can you trust anything that is being said by people who are involved in these schemes.!!!!!!

    Surely you are going to say it is all lies, because that is what most of us say when we do not want to acknowledge the truth, it is all a conspiracy to make us look bad. Well you have been warned.

    Marianne forgive me that I have opened this can of worms on your blog as I’m SURELY going to get it now from all quarters, but the truth must come out because there are beautiful people who truly love our Lord Jesus caught in this web of lies, who is being blinded by the spirit of religion. It is also a case off, because my parents were one I must be one also.

    Just one quick example, what do they call their priests? Father, and what does the word say? CALL NO ONE FATHER EXCEPT YOUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN. Come on stop lying to yourselves.!!!

    The TRUTH shall set you FREE.

  15. Marianne

    I say that a millstone represents a city of commerce and/or it represent the city of a headquarter false church. I say the part about the church as the Bride and groom are not in her.

    They are of the harlot church of satan, Babylon is the place of Bel right. Bel is also the same as satan. So anything that bows to him is the harlot church. They church and the following people are cast down for believing in the false god antichrist.

    They are believers and followers of the stone, which is an offense to Jesus Christ who paid the price for our ransome. He is our rock from which living waters flow.

    Two shall be grinding at the mill and one shall be taken and the other left.
    The mill clearly here represent commerce.

    So the other question to the mystery is; ” who has such a costly church system to keep up”?

    One who does evil to children would be better if a whole city was hung around their neck and they were cast in. Is this clue speaking of pediphila?

    The churches of the middle east worship stones, and allah which I believe also arrived from Bel as all false religions did. Are they a part of the pegan rituals.

    Jesus spoke of the bulls of Bashan encircle him,. what do you know about the bulls of Bashan?

    Death mourning and famine may reprsent the mourning of the churches that are closed as god destroyed the whole commerce of it and the heads of all churches in it, this would generate a famine of the word to those who were worshippers of it.

    I don’t see where God is angry with the people but the liars and instructors of this false teaching church.

    What city is like unto this great city? So it is a great city which houses the headquarters of a large church system. As the sea is the people, and the commerce is all who sold to her in her services to ministering what ever the false faith is.

    Moreover what comes that causes such a destruction of a church group?
    She is the harlot and sold herself in pursuit of secrets and made packs with the wicked one.

    Joel 3:2-3 I will gether all nations and bring them to the valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, they scattered my people among the nations and they divided up my land. They cast lots for my people and traded boys for prostitutes, they sold girls for wine that they might drink.

    Isaiah 14:29 Do not rejoice all you Phillistines, that the rod that struck you is broken; from the root of that snake shall spring up a viper, its fruit will be a darting venomous serpent.

    Isaiah 23:1 An oracle concerning Tyre: Wail O ships of Tarshish! For Tyre is destroyed and left without a house or a harbor. From the land of
    Cyprus word has come to them.

    I think it is save to say that you are speaking of the soceity of the Phoenix, they worshipped ba’al and the queen of the sky. They were pagan and believed in orgies and homosexual practices. They sacrificed their children to them, usually the one that openned the womb. They burned incents and poured libations to her.

    So who worships the queen of heaven and baal?

    The other key is he who is involved in giving permission to divide the land of the Jewish people.

    Who made santa claus to be a thing for the Lord to share his birth with?
    It strikes me so odd how the same letters are in satan, they cut down trees and nail them to wood and put silver and gold on them.

    Nothing will be heard in that city of Anti-christ or demonic force or activities as it is cast into the lake of fire, so how can music be heard, no voice of the bride and the groom as they have gone to the city of the Light where the lamb is a life because they are of the light and those who were judged and not in the city are burning in the Lake of fire, the light of the candle not shining in them is because they did not have the Holy Ghost in them they were of the dark and believed the deceivor. The stone is the rock, the sea are the people.

    Listen to what the word says in 1 Peter 2:8 and, “A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall”. They stumble because they disobey the message–which is also what they were destined for.

  16. Marianne,
    Well it seems you have really outdone yourself on this topic. Trying to imagine that God will make an actual millstone as big as a city and use it to toss an actual city into the sea is just an exercise in futility. And what’s with the UFO? Maybe he will beam it into the ocean. Do you suppose the angel at the transporter control will be named Scotty?
    Does anyone really think that Babylon will be a real city? This is the Book of Revelation we‘re talking about here. Almost everything is a metaphor. It is filled with symbolism. I doubt that even John understood these visions.
    Even he probably didn’t realize that the church would become so badly polluted with pagan practices that it would have to be destroyed and then restored when Christ returns to marry His bride. This is the theme and the main purpose of the Book of Revelation. If we concentrate on this it is easier to understand the symbolism.
    Here is a simplified outline:
    Revelation begins with Jesus chastising most of the churches of John’s time. He is pleased only with the church at Philadelphia.
    Hint: He will also be displeased with most of His churches when he returns.
    Later in the book, we see two churches, represented by women (potential brides) one, the true church, in rev 12 and then the apostate church (and her harlot daughters) in rev 13 and later. The biggest and worst offender is the oldest, largest and richest one, the Vatican or the Roman Catholic Church. This church was overrun with paganism when the Roman empire combined it with other Roman religions of the empire. Practices such as Sunday worship, nuns (vestal virgins), holy water, wedding rings, statue worship among many others were adopted. Pagan holidays were kept – Saturnalia became Christmas, Ishtar became Easter and Cupid’s birthday became Saint Valentines day. Mary replaced Isis as the “Queen of Heaven.” And the new church adopted the pagan concepts of purgatory and hell. These did not previously exist in Judaism (and still don’t today) and Christ did not make them up and teach them either.
    Some people would try to prove that hell existed in the Old Testament as well as the new because the word appears in both of them many times. But they forget that in the dark ages, the Catholic church forbid anyone to own a bible, then they rewrote much of it, replacing the word for “grave” with “hell” wherever they could make it fit their purposes. They also removed the second commandment to allow the use of and praying to statues and other graven images. The “Vulgate” bible then became standard, and was only printed in latin so that only priests could read them. For a history on this topic check out the following:

    While the protestant reformation removed many of these pagan elements, many more still remain.
    This is what is meant by the Whore of Babylon having Harlot daughters. Babylon is simply a metaphor for these paganisms. Does anyone believe that God will allow these things to pollute His bride? He most certainly will not.
    So enjoy Christmas while you got it and sanctify Sunday as your day of worship if you dare, but do not think that these traditions of man will be continued in the millennium of Christ.
    No. Babylon will be destroyed, and it is not a city or a country. It is everywhere on earth, wherever God’s church might be. God will not be destroying people here, although the judgement of the wicked will happen. He will be destroying ideas. Bad ideas. Wrong ideas. He may gather up all the statues and graven images in the world and tie a big rock to them and toss them in the sea, but I doubt it. He has the power to simply make them disappear. Or perhaps he will force those who had the mark of the beast to gather them all up and destroy them by hand, just to teach them a lesson. Who knows.

    But a UFO? Really?

    • the UFO was for a bit of humor….it is round, and has an exit and entrance hole in the center.

      the bible said the mystery woman was a city, and later described commerce coming out of her, which was destroyed.

      so maybe the city is rome…..which would fit with your views

  17. I believe that Mariann was just showing through the use of words what she saw in the use of the word millstone. I am not a church goer, i belong to no “building church” but i do not see that anywhere in her writings does Mariann think that she is or Knows more than God. There a lot of symblos used in the bible to show what can happen and what causes destruction ,and what I read and understand on what Marianne said was just that, her thoughts and putting out her views of what that symbol Could mean. And yes God does give us laws to follow and He tells us what is right and wrong and if we go to far off the path of these laws we wonder into the Worlds side, and who rules this physical earth as we know it, who makes us want to follow the world and all the material things sure Is Not God. God Bless Marianne and her thoughts and message even if we may not all see it that way. At least she takes a stand for Creator God.

  18. Interesting place for a Mill Stone Quarry…

    The Prehistoric Exploitation of the Mill Quarries of Tufa in the Grand Canary Islands

    Canary Islands

    Geologists S. Day and S. Ward consider that a megatsunami could be generated during a future eruption involving the Cumbre Vieja on the volcanic ocean island of La Palma, in the Canary Islands, Spain.[

    La Palma is currently the most volcanically active island in the Canary Islands Archipelago. It is likely that several eruptions would be required before failure would occur on Cumbre Vieja.[15][16] However, the western half of the volcano has an approximate volume of 500 cubic kilometres (120 cu mi) and an estimated mass of 1,500,000,000,000 metric tons (1.7×1012 short tons) If it were to catastrophically slide into the ocean, it could generate a wave with an initial height of about 1,000 metres (3,300 ft) at the island, and a likely height of around 50 metres (164 ft) at the Caribbean and the Eastern North American seaboard when it runs ashore eight or more hours later.

    – The herald of La Palma is an Angel holding scales.

  19. Hi Marianne

    The Millstone is the Dragon, the mountain. With an ounce of faith you can cast the mountain into the sea. It is a call to humanity as to what can be achieved to liberate mankind. In fact it IS achieved at the second trumpet. Rev 8:8. “The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea”

  20. Job 42:24 Leviathan
    His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone

  21. I agree that the destruction of babylon would be violent and quick, but i however don’t think that the use of the milestone has much significance. I think the milestone is actually babylon. The angel said in Rev 18:21 that the great city will be THROWN DOWN with great violence, and shall be found no more, which is what happens to the stone just as he threw it into the sea; it was thrown down, probably with great violence, and it wasn’t seen anymore. To me, the angel seemed to be illustrating with the milestone HOW babylon would be destroyed, and not the item that would be used to destroy it.

    Besides, the bible doesn’t say that the stone is actually a milestone.

    ‘And a mighty angel took up a stone LIKE a great milestone …’ (Rev 18:21) This shows comparison and could eliminate any idea of a milestone existing in that passage.

    • Good grief, how explicit do you want it to be. As hard as a piece of the nether millstone. It could have said ‘hard as iron’. But it is trying to show the thread from Job through to revelation. No it doesn’t say it is actually millstone because it isn’t actually a millstone. So we may conclude that it isn’t actually a millstone that will be cast down and hit you on the head. Although sometimes I wish it was!

    • Good Guy,…….Thank You.

      In maintaining the original topic; After reading Marianne’s post, and the responding comments by those of the participants for the first time, it took until I read yours before someone expressed some common sense upon the subject.
      Linguistically verse 21 is indeed to be understood as an illustration or analogy. It is in essence a descriptive “exclamation point”.

      The English “Thus” was translated as such from the transliterated Greek “houto” (Strong’s 3779) and its definition consists of,”in this manner, thus, and so”. The English word “violence” was translated from the transliterated Greek, “hormema”, ( Strong’s 3731). This is the only time in the New Testament that this particular word is utilized, and its definition is interesting. It consists of “a rush, impulse, that which is impelled or hurried away by impulse”. With that, perhaps the word “violence” was not necessarily the correct translation for the translators themselves to utilize here.
      There is the transliterated Greek “biazo” that would have been a more accurate translation as “violence” as it was translated and utilized as such in Matthew 11:12. There is also the transliterated “thiggano”, or “sphazo” either of which would have been more appropriately translated as violence. Therefore I believe that this “illustration” is in actuality, expressing “the speed” as to how quickly this burning destruction will fall upon this particular city, rather than having anything to do with a literal millstone of any size whatsoever.

      In respects to the city itself, what I happen to find interesting, is what some of the peripheral narrative expresses.
      Verse 18:24., “And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.”
      See Matthew 23:37.

      Verse 18:19., “And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, (more commonly translated as “woe”) that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.”
      How many Italians do you think cast dust on their heads as an expression of despair?

      Just a thought to ponder.

      Be Blessed

  22. Marianne
    Destruction of Babylon the Great,which started out in Iraq and spread westward…It’s mysterious agenda is the same as ancient BG but has hidden it with semantics and Latin…
    First I thought a “nuclear-blast” would do the job, but that would be executed by MAN, but does not read so…. The “millstone” that GRINDS the “V/Papa-can” (Vati means Papa) in one hour is a heavy,grinding object…and must come down from ABOVE/GOD, so that future generation can point to it to remember who has executed and extinct the snake’s head, false, deceptive Babylon the Great. In many Chapels we see a Marian-statue standing upon a globe, with a snake in coiling shape, head looking upward,..to harm the Baby in Maries arms. – Old Nimrodian Babylon moving over Empires, westward, first to Pergamos/Turkey and later
    to Rome where it formed the city-state, which influence spread world-wide,…with eastern rejection, but western embrace. How could even leaders be so blind, not to recognise ‘her’ and scraping their feet and bowing to a man which is forbidden in the 10 commandments ?, well I think again as today it is for keeping status and position, position they close their eyes firmly.

  23. Wow! No need for the ill wish mick! You know i don’t have to see eye to eye with you. Your passage (which by the way is job 41:24 talks about a certain leviathan and to me, the only thing that relates that passage to the issue on ground is the word ‘milestone’. In order word, i don’t get the point of you bringing up the story of the leviathan.

    Alienated,
    Thanks. That’s quite encouraging.

  24. Good Guy
    It was a joke. But to be more serious… Babylon is the city ruled by the Dragon. It’s “heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.” It will be cast down like a Millstone when Babylon is cast down like a Millstone. The reason for bringing Leviathan into it is that it is the Dragon. Biut you will have to read outside the Bible to understand why and what the connection between creation and the dragon is. Are Christians allowed to do that or is every other book just pagan rubbish?

  25. No the LORD and his Son were not pleased with the Church of Philadelphia that is why it burnt to the ground in 2008 when the paraclete flew into Babylon/USA. Micah 4 told you that daughter ZION would be sent on a mission to Babylon and she certainly was.

    This was telling the USA that we had arrived.

    Now understand that the book of Revelation told you that the one that overcome and was victorious would be put upon his throne plus a lot more.

    • This forthcoming comment is not necessarily directed to any particular individual whatsoever, I simply had an overwhelming desire to say “NUTBAR”.
      I am not sure as to why really? However, I happen to feel much better now.

      🙂

  26. Very good, 2002 in the gym. Like Jacob the hips were touched and never walked again without pain.

  27. I agree with alienated

    “Therefore I believe that this “illustration” is in actuality, expressing “the speed” …rather than having anything to do with a literal millstone of any size whatsoever.”

    I don’t think it means a millstone will fall from the sky. It means anything that is round with a hole in it made of stone. What we should concentrate on is the speed with which it falls. so if we know the mass and the gravitational constant then f=ma and v=u+at so the speed can be calculated. This should clarify the biblical meaning.

  28. Alienated, the word is not nutbar. The word is sorcerer. Eliakim’s spiritual alchemy website clearly identifies her. And she and others are given audience here. She celebrates the carnal and denies the Holy. For more info on the spiritual alchemy in which she is deeply emmersed can be seen at OCCULT-ADVANCES.org.

    I expressed my view to Marianne in an email some time ago about the need for her to monitor those who are the enemies of God…who are using her site to destroy. She said she preferred an open site in the hope that some might be helped. But Romans chapter 1 reminds that God put it in the hearts to ‘know’ so they are without excuse.

    I have enjoyed Marianne’s site for some time now and have appreciated her love of Bible prophecy and her heart for Israel. But I am offended at encountering sourcery while attempting to discuss the Word of God. The site is being destroyed and I am very sad about that.

    I don’t mean to be unkind to anyone. But these are very serious matters. I hope to return to this site one day and find it once again a place for rejoicing.

    2jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

    10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

    11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

    • dear internet elias

      It grieves me that you think this way.

      the post itself sets the tone for each page.

      If someone was intentionally trying to harm the site, I would block them, and I have done this in the past.

      if someone demonstrates an understanding of the trouble they caused, and changes, I let them back on. if they don’t show this change, they stay blocked.

      Because an unbeliever leaves a comment, or comments, does not mean that I am promoting destruction of the site by enemies of god.

      The ones that come here that are lost do not know it. They actually think they are serving god with their odd ideas.

      some are of other faiths, like islam.

      some are just delusional. the harm is mostly to themselves, not me or the site.

      with the delusional ones, there is only so much one can do to explain things to them, but we keep trying. Sometimes, we just let them talk. but it does not mean we buy into what they say.

      if i sanitize the site, only allowing those I agree with on, the site would lose its vitality.

      even among believers, there are differences of opinion. and these people are all sincere about their commitment to Christ.

      some are just on a journey…do I block them also?

      some traditional Jews have come on the site to defend their views. do I kick them off?

      and I allow people to disagree with me, in order that self expression not be suppressed, and eventually the truth comes out about whatever the topic is.

      and disagreement could be viewed as “destructive” also.

      this is because this site belongs to jesus, not me.

      I can remember when I had some crazy ideas, and I had to work through them also. Jesus was patient with me, so I try to be patient with others.

      I have also been on sanitized sites where only one point of view was tolerated. I did not think that was helpful.

      I want people to be able to make mistakes, and learn.

      Some people are fast learners, and some are really, really slow.

      delusional ones may never learn…but at least I give them a place to come and be exposed to the truth. with them, I am just planting seeds, but may not see a harvest.

      I have had terrorists come on the site and try to wage war for Islam…I was patient with them…..one came back a year later, and had given his heart to Jesus…he told me I was the only one who was patient with him, and I was the only one he could talk to….that really touched my heart.

      I hope that helps explain my position better.

      • Marianne, you’re absolutely right. Where there’s no freedom to speak your mind and exchange ideas, there’s no safe environment to examine other points of view, and enlarge your understanding. It’s in patient that we create that kind of trust. More than anything else, that’s the seed we plant that allows the Word to spring up in another’s heart, and when it blossoms, it’s the Holy Spirit that convinces them, not us.

        Also, it’s not as if there’s anywhere that anyone can hide from the reality taking shape in our nation. Everyone is seeing where heresy leads … they just don’t see it’s source point yet, but the saucer was a good icon. The devil’s best lie was that he doesn’t exist.

        Now, if you made a pact w/aliens (demons), trading the children of your nation & the people & land, for alien technology, to give you an edge to get out of debt to certain satanic English bankers — and it didn’t work, and you had to pay up — might you say that God and demons don’t exist, hell & heaven doesn’t exist, aliens don’t exist (all while you steal trillions each year to build their underground sub-structures), playing off those who catch on as “conspiracy nuts”, & therefore “enemy combatants”, according to DHS — and then create a disaster involving a saucer, and create a landing and “unveiling” of “the messiah”? And creating a new global peacetime communist nightmare for humans? Well, this is what HAS been done.

        Google “Majestic 12” or (MJ-12); and “Iron Mountain Report”; and go to YouTube and search for the videos titled IRON MOUNTAIN, and THE OBAMA DECEPTION. Also google “Albert Pike’s plan for 3 World Wars”; and google “Weishaupt’s 25-point Plan”. This should help people catch up. They’re working their plans.

        When people are ignorant of what’s actually going on (because it’s been kept secret), how can they interpret accurately? There’s no way. Things are more easily perceived in the light.

        I used to take the story of Achan, for example, as a personal nudge to me, that I was holding something back that was God’s, & I better find it and pay up, before He got to me first to exact punishment. But God was NOT SAYING any such thing to me (that was fear, shame & guilt … sorry folks, I only learned about grace at 60).

        What He was telling me was that the leaders mishandled the “devoted things” (the little children devoted to God, the people, the land, the nation, the favor and blessings of God, and Christ Jesus), and buried the treasures underground (they’ve built extensive deep tunneling all over the nation, under bases, under reservations, under area 51, all over the place — habitations and “sanctuaries” — read butcheries/slaughter rooms — of DEMONS (“aliens”) — and just as the people of Nigeria did to get victory against the LRA, we’re going to have to dig all that up and destroy it, to break the spiritual power of the enemy and gain the victory in our war against the armies of satan. Because this is a spiritual war, they’ll also have spiritual protections from the devil, which we must break, to take back our country for our children and God.

        How do I know aliens exist? Because the aliens snatched me up from my front door (I was missing for 5 days) when I was 2. They were forced to put me back (by the Lord), so they put me back dead, in an abandoned cabin deep in the national woodlands near Marmara, Canada, and the Lord and His angels came to put me back into my body. That was in 1953. Eisenhower had been meeting with aliens, and had signed an agreement with one of them, within this time frame, trading all the above and more for war tech; and was subsequently poisoned (so it would appear to be a heart attack) for drafting his speech to the American people, informing them of what they’d done. The bankers that already owned our national debt didn’t want him fouling up their plans. If the people knew, they’d kill the leaders and demons, and that might mess up their plans to bring in the age of satan.

        Now see how different that is from a guilt interpretation? When you learn more, you see more, right?

        • dear cameo

          A lot of negative history that needs to be told and understood. !

          • Hi Marianne, Anyone taking the time to study & meditate upon the reports and videos mentioned above, can cross-apply what he/she learns to scriptures.

            A “family’s” (mob’s) hidden sins brought ongoing disaster to an entire nation, until the “buried” (subterranean) sins were discovered and destroyed, along with the perpetrators (who knew they caused the disaster, & kept quiet while multitudes died) — that’s the point of the Achan story. That’s how we’ve got to see it!

            Anything with ingress has egress also, doesn’t it, and not necessarily in the same places. How did David access Jerusalem? By crawling in through the subterranean sewer muck … where there’s the will ….

            These things must be more than told and understood; they must be DONE. On this side of the holocaust, everything seems conceptual. But to the survivors that have been forced to walk over, and hide underneath, 7 billion rotting stinking corpses, these words will be crystal clear, because the blessed life REQUIRES THAT WE BE RUTHLESS about getting rid of Satan’s plans, demons & agents.

            Many who know God’s love can’t reconcile what He’s about to do to this nation with His loving nature, and will take offense and turn away from Him, saying He doesn’t respect Christ’s Blood. But nothing can be further from the truth. Christ’s Blood is for the repentent sinner, wherever and whomever he/she is, and God respects that.

            However, the land itself has NOT been redeemed, and in point of fact, when Eisenhower as our president signed those agreements with demons, he turned our nation (and any nation entering pact with us) over to Satan, to be under the rule of demons. They own the land, and they instructed our leaders to build them all these bases with deep underground structures and tunneling (the deep layers belonging to the demons; the uppermost to the foreign troops being trained as UN tools against us, for torture and extermination, and many other things … it’s a Nazi-style peonage/organ smuggling venture.)

            God hasn’t made any promises or covenants with such evil men who’ve made pact with demons, nor does the Blood cover them, since they had to trample Jesus’ Blood repeatedly to betray our children (to the demons) and set this whole thing up (for our extermination).

            Therefore, if we don’t act on this to destroy the evil in the land, HE WILL. He’s got heavenly catapaults; but he can also use every force on Earth and all man’s weapons against him, too. What I’m trying to say is that if we want more than a string of islands to remain of this beautiful continent, we better uproot & kill these demons ourselves, and destroy everything and everyone connected with them, or we’ll ENSURE BY DEFAULT that God will.

            The only dark history that should really concern us is what’s right up ahead, because that’s darker than any time in human history. But since it’s sprung out of what went before, it’s necessary to really KNOW what went before. All should see & read the above-mentioned reports and videos, and think on how you can organize to take the enemy down. It’s gone beyond law & committees.

  29. Mick,

    Why do i get the feeling you are joking again? What do you mean ‘if we know the mass and the gravitational constant … f=ma … v=u+at?’

    All the same, i’m pretty sure you know your basic science …🙂

    • I think he meant it. maybe. what he was implying was that the larger the object the heavier it can be.

      force = mass x acceleration.

      so a large heavy object would strike and hit babylon with great force and with great speed, since the heavier something is, the faster it falls.

  30. I agree with internet elias, I have been coming to this site for ages now and it was always full of biblical quotes cut and pasted with no explanation and I could agree and paste my stuff. I could always go away with a feeling of agreement and self righteousness that Jesus had told me the truth and all other views were by heathens. But now look whats happened. The opinion of others which differ. And where are the lengthy biblical quotes?

    I don’t mean to be unkind to anyone. But these are very serious matters. I hope to return to this site one day and find it once again a place for rejoicing that I was chosen and right all along otherwise what’s the point?

    And as for you good guy with your sense of humor don’t you realise how serious this all is? Its like Jesus had a sense of humor and he truly has touched you. Well I can tell you that is definitely not the case. And if you think you are going to end up in paradise well you probably are but I will still be right.

    And as for Marianne well just shame on you for asking questions.

    • mick

      you have lost me. what questions have i asked that would cause shame.?

      I let people express their views. they do not have to be correct, but hopefully, they will work through their thoughts and end up more clear after reading what others have to say.

      some people are more well versed, and can quote the bible…others are not that mature.

      it is fair to allow both.

      • I am quite sure the Jesus has a sense of humor and rejoices in your questioning. Happy Christmas.
        🙂🙂🙂🙂

    • perhaps a nice cup of cascara sagrada tea, for those feelings of self-righteousness … and elevate yourself (face down) on a pillow, to relieve that puffed-up feeling …. it’ll be alright

  31. Marianne,

    Well, if mick is really serious, then how come he (or she) did not agree with me when i said this same thing? (take your mind back to the comment of the milestone crushing my head to bits and pieces for the amusement of others, no thanks to mick … sitting there talking about my sense of humor … really? rEAlly?? REallY?! )

    However, if mick is really serious, then pardon me but it was quite ridiculous to me. If i try to describe mysely by saying that i flow like a butterfly, would you really go on to measure the trajectory of a butterfly and the mechanism of it’s flight to know what i really mean? Babylon will fall as quickly as a milestone would fall into the water, SIMPLE! Just use your imagination.

    • hi good guy

      You have a right to your opinion, and should not have anything dropped on your head, just because it does not match the opinion of another.

      I extend my apologies for not catching that sooner.

      I expect all to be polite to each other, even when they do not agree.

      • I don’t have a problem with mick. I don’t mind the joke really. It’s just that i was surprised that mick seemed to think i wasn’t taking this site seriously, even after his little joke …

        By the way merry christmas to every one!🙂

        • Goods guy

          ” full of biblical quotes cut and pasted with no explanation I could always go away with a feeling of self righteousness”

          “you are going to end up in paradise but I will still be right.”

          How serious does that sound to you?

          • I was refering to your joke of the milestone falling and crashing on my head. What made you think i was refering to your

            ‘full of biblical quotes cut and pasted with no explanation I could always go away with a feeling of self righteousness’

            and

            ‘you are going to end up in paradise but I will still be right.’

        • ok….everyone be nice…..be tolerant of different opinions…we are her to find the truth!

          love you both!

  32. Brothers and Sisters in Yeshua HaMashiach,

    If I may express my view regarding the current point of contention.
    The way that I see it is, that both Carolyn, (internet elias), and Marianne have expressed valid points, which are both equally worthy of our consideration.

    In doing so, we then arrive at the obvious question, which would be, “How do we maintain the integrity of this site, (which as Marianne has stated, is ultimately Yeshua’s), without breaching the “Word” at the same time”? While also understanding as well, “who or what” might very well be behind this infiltration? Unfortunately, I foresee no clear cut answer to this.

    I think that we are all left with some rather difficult choices at this time, which shouldn’t be made hap hazardously.
    Do we, (simply because of this infiltration), pack up and go elsewhere, or do we stay to witness our Lord and Savior?
    If we choose to leave, (being now divided in opinion), wouldn’t satan then win? And if we happen to choose to stay, how can we maintain the integrity of the site, and the search for the truth, in spite of these infiltrations?

    I wish that I could provide the answers to this for all of us, but I can’t.
    However, if Marianne wouldn’t object, perhaps collectively we all could work together to formulate something?
    I personally think, that she has been a wonderful mediator for this site, and am well aware that I myself would not be capable of allowing for some of the material that has been posted in the past, to be posted at all. However she has allowed for freedom of expression, without which, no new ideology could be presented.
    Do we then resort to “censorship”?
    And if so, who would you then recommend as being the “infallible” decision maker?

    It is my hope that some of you that have appeared to express their decision to walk away from this site, please reconsider that decision. Though we may have not agreed in the past with each others theology on each and every aspect, we are family based upon the foundation of our beliefs, and each and everyone of us plays a significant role here.

    I would like to take this opportunity to express my apologies, if in some way my post above to Eliakim somehow instigated all of this? I am aware of her ideology, (as internet elias has posted) and that was simply my attempt to discredit what she may have to say, based upon that ideology. My concern, as always, came for those that may be searching for the truth and are still impressionable, not having had the time to hone through the Spirit, their gift of discernment.

    Nonetheless, I pray that if it is God the Fathers will, that those that have expressed a desire to perhaps leave, will instead participate in discussion to somehow resolve their concerns.

    Just my thoughts.
    To all be blessed.
    May all Glory be to Yeshua HaNazarei Yemelekh.

    • hi alienated

      anyone here is welcome to disagree and oppose any confusing or incorrect material posted by anyone else.

      I just ask that people are polite about it.

  33. Marianne, I received the email and your response to my concerns. Thanks. And I do understand your viewpoint as to the open forum. To both you and Alienated, I apologize for sseeming to be contentious. I didn’t intend that at all. I am concerned so much so that I felt the need to express the concerns….for the reasons I stated. And, Alienated and Marianne, please know that I wish all of your only the best as you continue to search and discuss the Word.

    • internet elias

      we love you here. we are all doing the best we can. god will fix any mistakes we make as we do our best. all things will work for good for those called according to his purpose.

  34. Well here is your millstone from Rome Marianne. Thank you marianne for allowing the one that comes in the name of the LORD to continue to share with you. Mick who gave you the authority to be self-righteous? Are you the teacher of righteousness that was predicted to come in the last days of the end times?

    $2 trillion sandstorm warning from NASA

    The first video that I put up about this was removed from you tube. However, I found another one straight after.

    $2 Trillion Sandstorm NASA warns. The video also cites an article published on the net.

    It was synchronicity because earlier today I was compelled to view a video on the ancient cities of Sodom and Gomorrah in Israel, they still stand to this day covered in dust and sand. This video shares with you the original cities, the sulphur and the geological finds found at the two different cities. People assume these cities were together but they were quite a distance apart.

    Also today, we featured the fact that the Italian police had arrested Italian mafia involved in drugs and we had written previously about the drugs being a millstone that make the children stumble. There was also a book and film made called ‘Gomorrah’ about the mafia in question. See our blog for the information.

    It is worth viewing both these videos especially in light of the technology discussed by scientist Dr Judy Woods to do with 9/11 and how everything just turned to dust.

    So was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed by alien technology or was it destroyed by the impact of the solar flares from the sun? That is the question for everyone to ask themselves in these times of Tesla weather technology.

    Here is a different article on scientists predictions. They say a massive solar storm would hit earth with the force of 100m bombs.
    http://www.lazydesis.com/chai-time/223477-massive-solar-storm-hit-earth-2012-force-100m-bombs.html

    In addition, there was a huge sandstorm in China last year, news report said it impacted on 60 million people. Was this a test? Did anyone do any research on it?

    Early last decade I was in the Canaries and in the evening there was a dispute, a sudden attack on my person without provocation. I stayed calm and we went to our different beds to sleep. During the night where the four travelers were staying, the ground floor was completely flooded, it rained and it rained.

    Not long afterwards the sand storm came and I had never ever seen anything like it in my life. The local press published that something like that had not happened on the Islands for 30 years. My point is this; that if it is a natural sandstorm then the floods came first.

    I also took a look at the biblical prophecies to see what there was.

    Isaiah 1:10. Hear the word of the LORD, you rulers of Sodom; listen to the instruction of our God, you people of Gomorrah! Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves. Isaiah 13:19 Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the pride and glory of the Babylonians, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah.

    In the video featuring the American psychologists about the 9/11 denial, they mentioned the pride of Americans.

    Also the Jewish Americans that have been standing against Israel have been saying that America is their homeland. However, in the biblical prophecies for the last days of the end times, the USA is the land of ESAU, the men of EDOM, where the people are driven out by fire. In addition Rev 18 mentions how the city of their merchants will be destroyed. Two major trading cities would be New York and Chicago, and as know Chicago is also famous for its drug mafia as is Miami. In addition the book of Revelation mentions that the hail that comes from the sky weighing 100lbs.

    More on Sodom and Gomorrah. Ezekiel 16:49“‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

    They certainly did not help the Messenger of the Covenant when the LORD gave them instructions to do so, and nor did they promote the ‘Adopt a Stranger’ campaign as asked to do.

    The LORD commanded a tithe of $365, from every American and he said a dollar a day you must pay’.

    Ezekiel 16:55 And your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to what they were before; and you and your daughters will return to what you were before. Amos 4:11 “I overthrew some of you as I overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. You were like a burning stick snatched from the fire, yet you have not returned to me,” declares the LORD.

    Matthew 10:14-16 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. 24 But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.”

    The Father Revealed in the Son 25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Matthew 11: 23-25 6 If he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:26

    This will probably be my last major message warning for the USA. Many know what they have done and now their getting their tin hats ready. However, tins hats are not going to save people from what is coming upon the USA if they continue in their usual way.

    The LORD has given the USA so many warnings, so much help, yet they still do not return.

    Teshuvah all of you. Yeshua, the Lute of Lovingkindness always gave glory to his Father and you must give glory to the LORD God.

  35. My apologies Marianne here is the link with the picture of the millstones shown to me just now before popping into your blog. It is to do with Rome e.g. the Church

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capernaum

    • hi Eliakim

      It is true that sin will bring the millstone, and teshuvah will deter it. But the bible also predicts that man will not repent. so, until we leave this earth, we should expect to see some very harmful events occur. While america has become a sinful place, other nations are sinful as well. This will be a global judgement.

      America will be used as an example to others since it has received many blessings from god, but has walked in self imposed curses and rebellion instead. Some have thought here to leave the country, but where is there to go? all countries will be judged.

      So we have to put our trust in god, and be humble before him. then as the judgments begin over us, we pray that the blood of the lamb on the doorposts of our hearts will cause the death angel to “pass over” us.

  36. Marianne’

    I just got home from church. Dont mean to intrude on a private conversation but everyone who testified had to testify to the enemy
    really causing trouble,ie words in families and attacks and crazy things.

    But the good part of the testimony is no matter how much conflict there was each person said they prayed and gave it the LORD and he worked it out
    to his glory.

    I am sure that is the same thing here. What wonderful children God has that
    come to this site to study his word, talk about him and encourage one another and to lift each other up.

    I just remembered this is the day 3 year ago my Mommy went to be with the Lord. How wonderful and loving he was as I know he welcomed her with open arms of love.

    Soon you will dancing in Heaven. Think of those who were in the Halocaust and how God encrouaged those who hid out in homes, like Anne Frank. We are so spoiled, some have real problems.

    I don’t mean that toward anyone personally, I charge myself with the same. Let us praise him, his word, his Holy Sprit and his name.

    It is coming on Christmas, the day we celebrate the Lords birthday. If you
    have a spouse and children and or grandchildren, and animal anything he has given you to love you are wonerfully blessed you are not alone. We all have him and he loves us all.

    Be blessed, be encouraged in his love in good confidence

    • you be blessed as well.! 🙂

    • The 25th of December is a pagan festival of the Romans.

      In the lead up to Christmas 2010 the LORD instructed me to tell the Christians to give their relatives a bell and when their friends and relatives asked why they had been given a bell for Christmas. The people were to be told that it was a call to duty.

      This summer the LORD compelled the Messenger of the Covenant to tell everyone to cancel Christmas and its consumerism that is a milestone around the necks of the people.

      Many people heard the message.

      On the 10th of December it is the Total Lunar Eclipse and it will be interesting to see what the LORD has planned for us. As it is predicted to be spectacular, and you will be able to see its wonderful appearance in North America. It is the ESSENTIAL eclipse that followed the LOYALTY eclipse in November on the 25th.

      On the 26th of December Jupiter, the planet of expansion also turns positive in motion. 26 is the gematria value of the name of the LORD God.

      The 26th is also the anniversary of the Asian disaster that happened on Boxing Day in 2004 after the LORD had warned us and called us. ‘HUMANITY NEEDS YOU NOW’

      In the biblical prophecies you were told by Jesus Christ that they would be drinking and making merry when the floods came like in the time of Noah. That happened on the 26th of November 2004.

      He told you that it would be a sign that the Son of Man is here and the Son of Man is a term of endearment for a prophet.

      Prophet Daniel told you one ‘like the son of man’ would come.

      I am indeed here exactly as the biblical prophecies predicted that I would be.

      Blessed is the one that comes in the name of the LORD.

  37. Marianne if we look at the words of Jesus Christ about the millstone, he condemns those that make the children stumble and the prophecies state that they will be thrown into the sea.

    So who makes the children stumble? The drug dealers and barons. We also know that the US government and the CIA are involved in the drugs.

    How do children respond to parents that take drugs? They grow up accepting it as a fact of life. Children of parents that take drugs are more likely to take drugs. Also the book of Exodus tells you that the deeds of the fathers impact on the next 3-4 generations.

    When parents do it, often they are then not happy when they catch their children doing it. However, if parents have done it then it must be in their bloodstream somewhere.

    Also the Vatican made people stumble and the American Church is most like the Vatican teachings. England through out the Pope and the Vatican when King Henry was not allowed to divorce. Does the bible say people can get divorced if a marriage is not meeting their requirements? Yes. The OT says yes, give them a piece of paper that indicates the marriage is over.

    However, the LORD does not approve of adultery and adulterating your own souls, because the sexual energies of another stays with the people for six months. When people commit adultery it adulterates all the people involved, not just one or two of those that engage.

    Its about being upright and living in integrity. How can a person call themselves a true Christian when they commit adultery with another? They cannot.

    Teshuvah is very different, it is about the return to all that is sacred. Returning to a heavenly state of being. Rada divine conduct. Only those with rada were give authority over the animals as mentioned in Genesis 1:26 Its like holding nature in your arms like holding a baby gently but firmly.

    The LORD has chosen his place for his saints, the place where new jerusalem will be built. The new city of enlightenment.

    The LORD also told the people that when I came they had to turn their hearts to the children or the earth will be destroyed. They also have to provide for the Messenger of the Covenant financially. Hence why the Malachi prophecies tell the people that that they are robbing ELOHIM.

    If you look at the last judgement fresco it is the religions that are being destroyed underneath the prophet. Michelangelo knew the truth.

    The LORD told the people that he would betroth his people to him in righteousness and faithfulness and that he would plant HER himself. King David also told you that the Harp of Faithfulness would come at night time. Psalm 92. In the Psalm 45 I am the Royal bride that was given the golden gown by the princess. Obama also read out Psalm 46 on 9/11 and it also speaks of me and that the LORD will not let me fall at the break of day.

    It is not too late, but people must act quickly.

    There is no time to waste.

    The LORD told me that the ICE Caps will go in 22. Not by his doing but due to the acts of man.

    We must ready the people and make sure that they are living ecologically and self-sustainably as soon as possible.

    Away from any fault lines and coast lines.

    People must move up at least 40 metres above sea level in the mountains. 40 metres was given to me by the LORD.

  38. Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

    It is not a millstone, it is like a great millstone.
    In other words, this verse is a good example of the hebraic thought, it is stating that the stone is huge, like great millstones are huge (needs an ass to turn it, or couple of).

    But what is this huge stone? Who knows.

    • The huge stone is a huge stone ……………… with NO significance! It is the suddenness of it’s fall and submergence in the water that is significant (it shows how quickly babylon will fall Rev 18:21 ‘… thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all …’)😐

  39. What is this millstone of Revelation 18?

    It is mentioned in Jeremiah:
    Jer 51:63,64 And it shall be, when thou hast made an end of reading this book, that thou shalt bind a stone to it, and cast it into the midst of Euphrates: v64 And thou shalt say, Thus shall Babylon sink, and shall not rise from the evil that I will bring upon her: and they shall be weary. Thus far are the words of Jeremiah.

    The first mention of millstone in scripture is in Deuteronomy where loan-sharking pawn brokers of the nations around Israel would take as collateral, the means by which food sustenance was prepared to feed the family.
    Deu 24:6 No man shall take the nether or the upper millstone to pledge: for he taketh a man’s life to pledge.

    Leviathan’s millstone heart in the book of Job hints at a world empire of the final beast of Revelation which supremely controls food sustenance distribution through the use of the mark.

    A few centuries ago, a “millstone necktie ruff” was part of the normal attire for both men and women. Symbolically it represented one’s employment, as an employed worker of society. Queen Elizabeth the First issued a ‘Royal Prerogative:’ very oddly and without explanation; “that no blue starch shall be used or worn by any of her Majesty’s subjects,” thus a millstone necktie could be white, yellow, pink or any other color except blue. This law parallels the Revelation 17:4 absence of the color blue from the Babylon Harlot, for Blue was the Numbers 15:38 blue colored thread to be worn on the fringes of Torah Keepers to remind themselves to abstain from idolatry as well as keep all the commandments.
    Num 15:38,39 Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue: v39 And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:

    The millstone is one’s continual toil for bread, one’s occupational employment. Babylon is compared to it because by means her arrogance and clever deceit, she oppresses the peoples of the earth with heavy “necktie” yoked burdens, and multiplies her wealth into the hands of the pyramidal few (fewer and fewer people, the higher up the pyramid).

    Some have correctly suggested that sins of tempting children with drugs or pedophilic exploitation of children is a millstone crime, since Jesus made relational reference to children in the gospels. Jesus also said that any person (of any age) coming to him must come as a child.
    Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
    Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
    Thus the millstone offence judgment spoken of only 3 verses later applies to any child of God with that childlike trusting faith. Offence comes in many variable forms. Hatred is equivalent to murder, whether hatred comes by negligence, slander, theft, lying, cheating, etc. In the judgment of nations, God points first at the leaders who endorse hatred, who forge injustice.
    1Jn 3:15 Everyone hating his brother is a murderer. And you know that no murderer has everlasting life abiding in him.

    This is why the blood of ALL the slain upon the earth was in her:
    Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
    Notice how the Religious leaders of Jesus’ day were equated to this very same Rev18 Babylon who was guilty for all those slain upon the earth.
    Mat 23:35a so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah…

    So there you have it. The stone like unto a great millstone spoken of is one’s livelihood. And great Babylon is the great spiritual kingdom of Satan which more than anything else, financially fleeces the sheep their whole lives including murdering them whenever deemed necessary unto the “gold digging” purpose of increasing the wealth and power of those that belong to that avarice kingdom of darkness, that towering city of egotistical Edomite pride, the rebellious leaders and fat shepherds of the earth who like their demon masters, revolt against the Creator and the good things of earth which he made.
    Eze 34:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
    Ps 2:10-12a And now be wise, O kings; be instructed, O judges of the earth. v11 Serve Jehovah with fear, and rejoice with trembling. v12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled in but a little time. . .
    Since these leaders will not bow down and kiss the Son of God, then their primary tool of worldwide millstone exploitation, must justly be taken away from the earth.

    Eze16:49 and Jer23:14 describe the sin of Sodom as strengthening the hands of evildoers, without strengthening the hands of the poor and needy. God feels this is a grossly serious sin, punishable by death, even the burning sulfur brimstone of Hell fire! It came down on Sodom. Over and over, scripture tells us of a similar fate for physical Babylon. Just keep in mind this one thing: “Millstone sins” have to do with perpetual financial slavery via usury, inflation, or the unjust taxation of sustenance, through the primary medium of money, the love of which is root of all evil. “Millstone sins” widen the gap between those ‘that have’ and those ‘that have not.’
    1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all evils, of which some having lusted after, they were seduced from the faith and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

    But one may rightly ask; “If this spiritual kingdom is brought down in Revelation 18, which part of the earth is that?” The answer lies partially in Rev16:19 which hints that there are multiple parts to great Babylon, such as a physical domain, and then its human executive infrastructure, and finally its spiritual demonic infrastructure. Year after year, there is an ever increasing amount of evidence pointing toward America as the birthplace of Internet Finance is at least part of that physical geographic logistical domain.
    Rev 16:19 And the great city came to be into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give to her the cup of the wine of the anger of His wrath.

    It seems that when the great restrainer moves out of the way, the great falling away occurs, which is the removal of physical Babylon, so that the son of perdition can come forth, which requires this to occur AT THE START of the 3.5 years.
    2Th 2:7-8 For the mystery of lawlessness is already working, only he is now holding back until it comes out of the midst. v8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming,
    2Th 2:3 Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition,

    Daniel tells us 3 of the beast’s 10 horns are ripped out to make room for the little horn, so we can deduce that physical Babylon must somehow include 3 geographic regional domains. Because Rev8 gives ominous judgments in the form of thirds, and because there just so happens to be only one combination of continents on the earth whose collective surface area equals exactly one-third of the earth’s land, and that combination of N.America, S.America, and Australia totals 3 regional land areas: For these reasons I personally have concluded that the 3 horns most likely are these 3 geographic domains, but only time will tell. If the U.N. or other World Authority divided the earth into 10 regions having the 3 mentioned above as individual independent regions, each with a regional leader, then my theory would merit much higher probability.
    Dan 7:8 I was thinking about the horns, and behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom 3 of the first horns were uprooted. And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
    Dan 7:20 and of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom 3 fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth speaking very great things, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.
    Indeed the concussion to the head of the beast is so severe from the 3 ripped out horns that he is reckoned as dead!
    Rev 13:3 And I saw one of its heads as having been slain to death, and its deadly wound was healed. And all the earth marveled after the beast.
    When I think of uproot, what comes to mind is going to the Dentist. Having a tooth pulled is so painful it requires an anesthetic, but to have 3 teeth ripped out simultaneously? Oh my, what a scream! My cry would be heard three blocks away!
    Eze 26:15 So says the Lord Jehovah to Tyre: Shall not the coastlands shake at the sound of your fall, when the slain groan, when the slaughter is made in your midst?

    • hi 45squared

      That is a very good explanation and viewpoint.

      I had never thought of babylon’s 3 parts being the same 3 heads that die on the beast, although it makes sense.

      I also agree that america is only part of the babylonian system.

      I was waiting for you to say that one of the heads that die come back to life, and that head is america, but you didnt’. I was wondering which head survives the deadly wound.

      any thoughts?

    • Why do you put this all in the future, its past. The book of Daniel is the history of the earth just like revelation.
      The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass !!!
      By this we can see things started to come to pass after AD96. But why do some put even Rev Chapter 6 in the future. Well that would not be “shortly come to pass”.
      So what is it all about??
      White horse AD 98-180. A time of peace. Notice the rider has a bow but no Arrow!!! The gospel message flourished at this time and it spiritually conquered the world.
      Ever read Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire by Gibbon?
      He says it was a happy and prosperous time!!
      Red Horse AD183-211. Civil Wars and bloodshed .
      Notice it says in verse 4 “take peace from the earth”. Now it is obvious
      it was a time of peace under the White horse. Gibbon says a time of bloodshed and violence. About 2,000 killed a day!! Of course many asassinations.
      Black Horse AD217 Taxation at this time was very high.It was a period of famine. Not because the crops failed but because people did not grow
      crops because they would be over tax and thought it was a waste of time.
      Therefore food became scare and expensive. Hence verse 6 A measure of wheat for a shilling, and three measures of barley for a shilling; and the oil and the wine hurt thou not. Oil and wine represents the beleivers.
      Pale Horse AD 235-305. Pale means sickly green , the color of death.
      40 emperors died in this period!!!
      All but 2 murdered!! AD250-265 Gibbons says 5,000 people died per day.!!
      Verse 8 The Fourth Part. This suggests there was 4 parts of the Empire and so we go back to the history and God’s word is true and amazing!!
      because its there. The Empire was divided between 4 princes, as Gibbon says, Diocletion, Maximian, Aurelian and Probus. But it seems one quarter of empire the Italian part was the most dreadful. The bible says “to kill with sword,hunger,death and THE BEASTS of the earth”. Gibbon says
      many people were sewen up in slaughtered animals and left to die. Amazing!!
      This is truely the word of God.
      Now this takes us to the day of Constantine when Pagism became Apostate Christian. Note I mentioned 4 separate kingdoms. Now comes the fulfilment of Daniels prophecy.
      The 3 horns are going to plucked up and the horn which plucked them up is Constantine. The 4 parts of the empire became 1 . 1 Empire , 1 God, 1 Emperor. The man that fought for Christ was not a Christian. He did not know the meaning of Christs words ” if my kingdom was of this world then would my servants fight”. But Apostate Christians at that time thought he was a saviour because of the great persecution they had endued now would stop. 6:10 Hence the words at that time Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the princes, and the chief captains, and the rich, and the strong, and every bondman and freeman, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains;
      Rev 6:16 and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
      Rev 6:17 for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand?
      All the pagans and some Christians thought Constantine was Christ’s
      representative on earth demolishing the pagan armies of the Adversary.
      This is the beginning of the Apostate Church, Babylon the great. Filling the earth with the false Pagan doctines, making men drunk with their wine, eventually arrayed in purple and scarlet, and decked with gold and precious stone and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations, even the unclean things of her fornication,
      and upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
      And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I wondered with a great wonder.
      They killed the true beleivers who beleived in 1 God , and the son of god.
      who in their imaginations made 1 god into 3 to made the pagan beleivers of many gods happy. Who kept the idols and celebrations of pagan easter and christmas and did and still does according to his will; and he exalts himself, and magnifies himself above every god, and he speaks marvellous things against the God of gods.
      Rev 18:21 And a strong angel took up a stone as it were a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with a mighty fall shall Babylon, the great city, be cast down, and shall be found no more at all.
      Rev 18:23 and the light of a lamp shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the princes of the earth; for with thy sorcery were all the nations deceived.
      Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that have been slain upon the earth.
      Rev 18:10 Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
      Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, for no man buyeth their merchandise any more;
      Rev 18:12 merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stone, and pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet; and all thyine wood, and every vessel of ivory, and every vessel made of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble;
      Rev 18:13 and cinnamon, and spice, and incense, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and cattle, and sheep; and merchandise of horses and chariots and slaves; and souls of men.
      Note the souls of men!!!
      This system is all false , false beleifs, false doctrine false idols, false everything.
      We are told to come out of her 18:4
      Who are the harlots of verse 17:5? Those churches who beleive the same, who are off shoots from the Mother Church!
      Now Revelation is about judgement of Pagan Rome , Christian rome.
      It is so obvious, it is a history right to our day. The Saracens, the french revolution with their 3 frog like spirits of Liberty, Equality, Fraternity which has swept through the world including the Arab nations of today.
      Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
      Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
      Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
      Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
      And let me say dont look for a anti christ in Jerusalem because the truth of the matter is the Catholic system has produced the anti christ. He is a man the god of the earth, the man that seats in the temple of god thinking he is god. The Pope!!.
      Beleive the truth !!! 2Thess describes the Pope so well.
      This is why the stone like a millstone will destroy the Papacy.
      Do you think the pope will give up his position for Christ. By no means!!
      The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,TO SHOW UNTO HIS SERVANTS things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John.
      His True servants will understand the truth, no one else!! I beleive I have it!!

      • interesting interpretation, based on history

        since jesus is not back yet, where do you think we are in the book of revelation now?

        • Hi Marianne,
          Since Jesus is not back yet, where do you think we are?

          Matthew 24:29-30 says, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

          So it seems to me that his return will have something to do with things falling from heaven, eclipses, etc. That millstone could be a big burning asteroid the size of a mountain. ??
          Rev. 18:21 a great millstone cast into the sea.
          Rev. 8:8 (trumpets) And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea and 1/3 of the sea became blood.
          Rev. 16:3 And the second angel (vials) poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man; and every living soul died in the sea.

          The trumpet and the vial judgments run parallel.
          Matthew 24 and the seals run parallel too, but they are likely just about over, and we are moving into the sun moon and stars phase.

          That’s my guess anyway.
          Till then, I guess we just keep looking up.
          Speaking of which, are you watching for that comet of the century coming in December?

          • Marianne,
            P.S.
            Here’s the parallel seal judgment for Matthew 24:29
            REV. 6:12-17 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll (hello Jesus!) when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

          • I think the seals have been going on to some degree for 2000 years and will climax “soon.”

            we will know this climax when it comes…antichrist , abomination, ww3, world famine due to economic collapse, death by pestilence, sword, etc, and martyrdom….finally the 6th seal will occur….

            I agree about matthew describing the seals.

            • Hi Marianne,
              I’m more of an optimist. I think the wars and rumours of wars have been going on and the worst was when Jews and Christians were forced out of Jerusalem when Islamic armies sent them running clear to Europe, but the Lord cut it short so that there was still a remnant.

              What if Daniel 12 where he talks about the 1290 days was during Daniel’s lifetime instead of the end times? It is a couple of unusual numbers 1290 and 1335.
              Daniel asks the question 12:8 what shall be the end of these things?
              Dan. 12:9 And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end…

              He didn’t really get an answer. However he was given this much:

              Daniel12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, (this could be talking about while Daniel was in captivity, 583 BC) until the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be 1290 days. If you put that into our solar years that’s when the Dome of the Rock was put up. If you add another 45 years (1335 days) to that you are at the Battle of Tours when Islam was stopped from spreading through Europe.

              If that’s what he is talking about then the middle of an all encompassing final 7 has no gap, but begins in 583 BC, has an abominable event happen in the middle, the Dome of the Rock, and then the last half of the shabua ends when Jerusalem is under Israeli control after the 6 day war in 1967.

              And reading Daniel 9:27 then becomes He shall confirm the covenant with many for one shabua, about 2500 years, and in the middle of the final shabua he will make the temple mount spiritually desolate, and it will stay that way until the end that has been determined shall be poured out.

              • following that train of thought, even zechariah mentioned the 4 horses…..

                so they have been riding for a long time.

                the righteous will always have tribulation until the messiah brings peace on earth

                • Marianne,
                  Yes, they’ve been warring forever.
                  Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angles with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather…
                  This sounds just like Rev. 11.
                  If the 2 witnesses are olives and christians, or Jews and Christians who witness to the whole world, and if the 3 days that they lie in the streets with total disregard, if that is talking about 1/2 of an all encompassing 7 which goes on for centuries, then we are told in Rev. 11:12 to come up hither, there’s an earthquake, and the rest of the tribes mourn all within a very short amount of time right about the time of the seventh trump in REv. 11 15.

  40. Rev 17 and 18 is about the USA. In June 2006 Obama speech about religion and politics, he spoke about the hole that could not be fixed by the government.???????????????
    Also the 42 months in Rev 11 and Rev 13 is next June 2012.????
    This is so false, how can you get this out of scripture. Babylon the great is Rome!!There can be no doubting of this, Read it!! The Apostacy- Roman Catholicism. Take care

    • hi trevor

      I am starting to think Babylon is everywhere Jesus is not!

      this would include Rome in its apostacy.

    • Trevor,
      Babylon is Babylon.
      It’s not that big of a mystery.
      The antichrist has to deny that Jesus is the Son of God.
      The pope might get a lot of things wrong, but not that.

  41. It seems to me, you missed something here, Marrianne. The Bible does not say that Babylon will be destroyed by a millstone. It says that like a millstone sinks to the bottom of the sea, like that Babylon will also sink.
    In my blogs, on the Apocalypse, I have taken the stance that Babylon is not any particular nation or group but rather that it is the selfish, hoarding lifestyle of humanity at large and that those that are engaged in it will pay the price for it. http://www.ikefehr1939.blogspot.ca

    • hi ikefehr

      the passage can also be read as a millstone being cast into the sea by the angel, which results in the fall of babylon.

      the “like” is between the stone and the millstone, not the millstone and babylon

      Rev 18: 21

      And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

      but it could be as you see it also.

  42. Look at the Chinnese Darpa Stones or the tether incident that happened in 1996 to NASA. I think GOD really meant a Milestone, because those two look very similar.

  43. I think a fiery mountain cut without hands sounds like a comet or an asteroid.
    It doesn’t take a very big one to do a lot of damage.

    “And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.” Ez. 39:6
    I think Turkey is Magog, and the isles are right beside them.

    “the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.” Dan. 2:35

  44. Here’s a video of what happens with different size rocks from space.

    Incredible.

    • good video

      • I thought somemore about the verse in Daniel the rock becoming a mountain and covering the whole earth.(anything in parentheses is mine)

        Daniel 2:31 “You looked O king and there before you stood a large statue an enormous, dazzling statue awesome in appearance. The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. (describes all the Middle Eastern Empires) While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. (These ten toes are the ten kings that join together for 1 hour against Jerusalem and are then defeated in Rev. 17:12) Then the iron, the clay the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on the threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the “rock” that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.”

        A mountain symbolizes a kingdom. Think about it, Jesus is our rock, and his kingdom will become the mountain that fills the whole earth, and He will reign forever.

        Here is Daniel’s explanation:
        Daniel 2:44 “In the time of those kings, (the ten toes who don’t mix well together) the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands — a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold to pieces.”

        This is not just Rome, it is all of them, Babylon all the way down through time will blow away like chaff in a summer breeze.

  45. Hi Marianne and all,

    I happened to come onto your site and started looking through the different posts and came across this one, “Babylon destroyed by a millstone.” I must have missed this post when it first came out, so allow me to revive it and shed some light on how I believe Babylon is destroyed. Here is the Scripture:

    “Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:

    ‘With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.’ ”

    The words “With such violence” means, “In like manner,” that is, with the same sudden violence and power in which this heavy millstone hits the sea, so also in the same manner will Babylon be brought down. Therefore, the verse is not saying that Babylon is going to be destroyed by a burning millstone, as the angel is only using it as an example of the swiftness and power that is going to be used to bring Babylon down. Allow me to expound on what I believe is going on here.

    Three times (18:10,14,17) it is proclaimed that the kings of the earth, the merchants of the earth and every sea captain and all who make their living on sea that they,

    “will stand far off” terrified at her torment.

    A clue as to why they are “Standing far off” I believe can be found in the result of her destruction as demonstrated in the following Scripture:

    “The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again. No worker of any trade will ever be found in you again. The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again. The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again.”

    Taking the above Scripture into consideration, if Babylon was being destroyed with basic fire, then there should be no problem going back in, cleaning up and rebuilding. A good example of this is when 80% of San Francisco was destroyed by fire as a result of the 1906 earthquake, yet today it is a thriving metropolis. So, if Babylon is destroyed by common fire, what is keeping anything or anyone from being found, heard or seen in Babylon ever again? The answer can be found in the previous chapter:

    “The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.”

    So, according to the Scripture above, God will put it into the hearts of the beast and the kings to hate the prostitute/Babylon and therefore, destroyer with fire. So, how does the beast and the ten kings accomplish this? Remember, the ten kings will have one mind and they will give their power and authority to the beast. The beast will be proclaiming himself to be God receiving a fatal wound and miracles, signs and wonders to give him credibility and will be ruling over the entire earth, which means that he has access to all of the nuclear weapons on planet earth. Oh, I think I just saw some light bulbs come on!

    Now, let’s go back to what is mentioned regarding those kings, the merchants of the earth and all who make their living on the sea

    “Standing far off.”

    I believe that the meaning of the language here that they are “Standing far off” is because they cannot draw near and that because something is keeping them from doing so. Now, combine this with the fact that no musician of any kind will be heard in her again, nor any worker of any trade will be found in her again, the light of a lamp will never shine in her again, nor will the voice of bridegroom and bride will ever be heard in her again. To get to the point, I believe the reason for this is because the beast along with the ten kings are going to nuke her, that is, burn her with fire. That being said, this would fit perfectly as to why they are all standing far off and why nothing will ever again be heard, found or seen in Babylon and that because of the nuclear contamination as a result of her being nuked. As I said earlier, if the beast and the ten kings were destroying her with common fire, it would be easy to go in clean up and rebuild, but something obviously will keep this from happening, as nuclear contamination would keep anyone from being able to go back in and rebuild or live there any longer.

    The nuclear idea is based on my own studies and belief and so it is not something that is set in stone for those who would disagree. But I do know that Babylon is not going to be destroyed by a burning millstone, for the angel was just using it as an example of the sudden violence and power in which Babylon is going to be destroyed.

    Yours in Christ

    • very plausible explanation.

      • Thanks for your reply, however, my interpretation was secondary. My point, first and foremost, is the title of your post:

        “Babylon destroyed by a millstone”

        And that is, Babylon is not destroyed by a millstone, but the millstone is being used as an example by the angel to convey the same type of violence and power by which she will be destroyed, the emphasis being on the violence and power and not on the millstone as being the device by which it comes. So, my intention was to show that you had misinterpreted the meaning of the millstone, as it was only a likeness to the type of destruction that will be poured out on Babylon.

        • Don,
          According to Rev. 18, Babylon is burned with fire, not by men, nor men who are standing afar off, but by God, Rev. 18:8 “for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.”

          Rev. 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. 21 And a mighty angel took up a — STONE — like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, say, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

          according to the video above, a rock 6 miles across striking the ocean produces a wave 3 miles high. 932 miles away the wave would still be 1/3 mile high. That would cause them to stand afar off. It could cause over a billion deaths. ISON, just for perspective, is predicted to be 3 miles across.

          If you notice there are also, in the chapter leading up to this, chapter 16, a plague of hail stones about 100 pounds each. These could precede a bigger rock on its way to earth. It is cut out without hands…heaven sent specially for Babylon.

          The song from the Wizard of Oz comes to mind, Ding Dong the witch is dead, which old witch, the wicked witch.

  46. Hi Chris,

    First, let me clarify, I never stated that Babylon was burned by those men who are standing far off. Those me will be the kings of the earth, those who make their living on the sea and merchants who be watching the smoke of her destruction. It is the coming beast and the ten kings of whom God will put it into their hearts to destroy that city with fire and I believe that fire spoken of could very well be nuclear, which is why I believe the reason that they all “they stand far off” and that because of the nuclear contamination. The following Scripture tells how and by who Babylon is destroyed:

    “The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their power and authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.”

    Those who stand far off are just those who will have observed her destruction which will be accomplished by the beast and the ten kings. The other reason that I feel that her being burned with fire is nuclear is found in the following Scripture:

    “The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again.

    No worker of any trade will ever be found in you again.

    The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again.

    The light of a lamp will never shine in you again.

    The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again.”

    If her destruction was done by normal fire, people would be able to go back in and rebuild the city, just as was done in 1906 when 80% of San Francisco was destroyed by fire, yet today it is a thriving city. According to the Scripture above, this is not the case with Mystery Babylon and that because it seems that something will be keeping people from being able to go back in to rebuild and live there and the only thing that I can think of that would cause that would be nuclear contamination. So to recap, combined with the fact that Scripture adamantly states three times that those people mentioned will “stand far off” and the fact that no one will every be able to inhabit the city again, I believe that the fire that she will be burnt with will be a nuclear strike. If you will go back and read my post I’m sure that you will find that this is exactly what I said.

    Also, I do believe that an asteroid or meteorite will strike the earth at just the right time in order to bring the second trumpet into fulfillment, but I don’t believe that it will be 6 miles across and that because an object that big hitting the earth would overshadow anything else written in Revelation, because one that size would completely devastate the earth, darkening the atmosphere with the debris that would, in a very short time, cause all life to cease. The object that does hit causes the destruction and death of a third of the ships and a third of the creatures in the sea respectively.

    I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.

    Yours in Christ

  47. Hi Marianne,

    The prostitute, the Woman, Mystery Babylon, that great city, these are all of course different designations for the same entity. Scripture reveals who she is:

    * “The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.”

    * “The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

    Rome was literally built on and is most famous in the world for its seven hills (seven heads). The angel gives John and all who read it another clue, that being, that the woman represents that great city that rules over the kings of the earth. At the time that John was receiving this information, Rome ruled over the nations and the cities of the then known world. So, with both of these descriptions they both point to Rome. Now, in John’s time, he wouldn’t have known the significance of Rome being referred to as the great prostitute and that because she had not yet evolved into the pagan system that she now is. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, which is referring to spiritual adultery, that is, metaphorically, to be given to idolatry, to worship idols, (figuratively) to be unfaithful to Christ, while posing as His true follower. This is exactly what Roman Catholicism is doing.

    Though John would not have known, by identifying who the woman is and we knowing the history of Roman Catholicism, her Liturgy and her popes, we know what is meant by identifying the prostitute as Rome, that being her pagan system masquerading as the church of Christ. I am continually amazed at the shear number of people, a billion plus, who cannot see her for what she is! For starters, that 19th century B.C. Egyptian obelisk that was used for phallus and sun worship that is sitting out in the middle of St. Peter’s square should send up a red flag as to her true identity. Does anyone actually think that this obelisk is an honor to God? Not to mention the worship of Mary as a co-savior, co-mediator, sinless, queen of heaven, perpetual virgin and assumed up into heaven. Now let’s go on to the Eucharist, where the priests, that is, the Mysterium, pull Christ down into the Eucharist and transubstantiation takes place, where the Eucharist retains its appearance, but its substance changes into the flesh and blood of Christ, so that those who partake are literally eating the flesh and blood of Christ. According to Catholic doctrine via ex-cathedra (from seat), anyone who says that the partaking of the bread and wine is only symbolic of the body and blood of Christ, let him be an anathema, that is, accursed. Have you ever noticed those big silver spoons that they hold underneath the Eucharist? It is there so that if the Eucharist should be dropped, Christ being in it, it would not fall to the floor.

    Why have I mentioned these? Because these rituals and practices have their roots in pagan Babylon. The worship of mother and child stem from Semiramis and Tammuz, Isis and Horus. When emperor Constantine proclaimed Christianity as the official religion of Rome, along with that came all of the Babylonian pagan practices and rituals, all overlaid on top of Rome’s version of Christianity. The myriad of god’s that they worshiped were transferred upon the saints, the ritual of the Eucharist has Mithraism written all over it, the worship of mother and child was transferred upon Mary and Christ and “Queen of heaven” worship was transferred to Mary. This is why Rome with her pagan religious system is called, “Mystery Babylon.”

    “The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls.”

    Purple and scarlet are the exact colors used by the Roman liturgy. Next time you see anything broadcasted regarding the Vatican, tune in and take note of the colors that they are wearing from their hats, to their robes and shawls, the main colors will be purple and scarlet. And speaking of hats, the pope also wears a Mitre hat, which is the same type of hat worn by the priests of Dagon, the fish god which was the god of Babylon and Philistia.

    Roman Catholicism claims that their popes are traced back to the first pope, Peter, but in actuality the lineage of the popes can be traced back to the first emperor/pope, Constantine, as well the other Roman emperor’s, the popes even inherited from the Roman emporor’s the title of “Pontific Maximus.” This put them in a political, military and religious position of ruler, which is exactly what they want today, power over the massses. Subsequently, the church in Rome is responsible for all three inquisitions, for they were the power behind them. I seem to remember Jesus saying, “If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.” Jesus did not say to arrest them, put them in prison, torture them, kill them and take all of their property, which is exactly what Rome has done throughout the ages under the guise of the church of Christ. But wait, there’s more! It’s not over, for when that antichrist comes, it will put the pope and her pagan system back into that position of power that she had prior to the 1800’s, because she is the woman who rides the beast.

    I could go into Rome’s version of salvation, the sacraments, traditions history and too many other to write regarding them in this post. She is Mystery Babylon and she is and will be drunk with the blood of the saints, that is, she will be responsible for their shed blood. They will be keeping the testimony of the true Messiah and the word of God and that religious system will be killing them for it. Add to that one of the future popes will play the part of false prophet performing miracles, signs and wonders on behalf of the first beast and you can see how the inhabitants of the earth are going to be deceived. Look at the popularity and devotion given to the popes even without those miracles, signs and wonders. Their own pope is going to lead them into worshiping the beast, his image and the receiving of his mark.

    Sorry of the length of the post, but you asked.

    PS Anyone who would like to find out the historical details of the Roman Catholicism and her popes from the beginning to present day, go pickup the following book by Dave Hunt:

    “A Woman Rides the Beast: The Roman Catholic Church and the Last Days.”

    • curious….this has always had more than one interpretation.

      rome
      new york city ( america)
      islam
      new age
      etc

      • Morning,

        Well, first of all the Scripture is stated in this way:

        “The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

        The angel is speaking in the present tense “is the” and “rules” regarding that city, which at that time was Rome.

        “The seven heads are seven hills upon which the woman sits.”

        The verse above is speaking of the woman’s headquarters which sits on seven hills. Once again Rome would fit the bill.

        “The great prostitute sits upon many waters.”

        and

        “The waters you saw , where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.

        The first verse tell us that the woman sits upon many waters and then we are told that the waters represent peoples, multitudes, nations and languages, meaning that the woman’s adulterous, pagan system can be found world-wide (sits on many waters). Without going into great detail, New York didn’t exist at the time of the prophecy, neither is it nor has it ever been a city that rules over the kings of the earth. Neither Islam or new age is a city and therefore neither can sit on seven hills. Islam did not come into existence until the 7th century A.D. and new age didn’t come into existence until the 20th century. In addition, neither New York, Islam nor new age fits any of the other criteria regarding the woman who is dressed in purple and scarlet and glittering with gold. Rome fits all of these. Again, I suggest that you tune in whenever see something on the Vatican and take notice of the colors that the liturgy are wearing and as the camera pans around, you will see what is meant by glittering with gold.

        These other interpretations are wild at best and one would need to really ignore the criteria and spiritualize or symbolize the information in order to force a match as any others being the woman. Rome with her pagan system fits the criteria best since she was built on seven hills, her pagan system is world-wide, that is, sits on many waters, the basic colors worn by her priests, cardinals and bishops is purple and scarlet. She claims to be the church, but her teachings and practices are laced with Babylon.

        She was dressed in Purple and Scarlet:

        http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4889851457833710&w=134&h=176&c=7&rs=1&pid=1.7

        http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4564215718544055&w=260&h=152&c=7&rs=1&pid=1.7

        http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4820277344207622&w=281&h=188&c=7&rs=1&pid=1.7

        http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4652546004551974&w=265&h=78&c=7&rs=1&pid=1.7

    • Hello Dan,

      The Dr. Tim LaHaye perspective is so….well it’s a work of fiction.

      The One World Tower is now complete, representing “The Tower Babel”.

      The One World Tower even has a minaret (Muslim call to worship post) at the top.

      Here are links to support this historically based hypothesis about the woman who was present back in the days of Babylon – her name was at that time – the goddess Ishtar.

      There is a statue, which is a representation of this goddess. She promotes the liberty to sin. Freedom to fornicate, gamble, abort babies in the womb, and more. She is such a harlot!

      The statue of this goddess resides in that city, greeting many peoples who come speaking many languages. But, over time, those many people speak one language and worship the power of money, pleasures of the world.

      The currency standard of the world comes from this one nation with many peoples. The currency is used and currently dominates the exchanges of Central Banks around the world. But, when she falls, the Dragon supports the Beast with a new worldwide currency standard.

      Dan, please some read more history, putting the fiction of LaHaye down.

      http://yahushua.net/babylon/liberty/whore.htm

      Here is an example of prophecy fulfillment, which applies directly to the modern day Babylon – a great city of commerce, literally. Remember, this city even has a new “One World Tower”, compete with minaret on top.

      The Harbinger – 9/11

      http://pepperhawkfarm.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/americas-destiny-9-harbingers-of-judgement-part-ii-by-willibeaux-contributor/

      She will fall very soon. What comes next is not the Tim LaHaye “rapture”.

      “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened…Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

      Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of come heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:20-31, NKJV).

      Dan, what are you going to do when you see that great city of commerce destroyed?

      What are you going to do when you see (physically) the 4th and 5th seal open?

      Blessings,
      Revelation 12:11

  48. I agree with what you have written Don, but I wonder if the whore is more than the Universal Church. Russian Orthodox religion is full of paganism too.

    Rome has always been the city that sits on seven hills, but the WTO’s dream is to have seven regions. We have been watching the pagan Holiday known as the Arab spring these last few years. The world system has been trying to bring on line a Caliphate led by the Muslim Brotherhood.

    I wonder if it is this global pagan world system that the Bible is referring to when it reads the mill stone will destroy. Or, Christ will destroy at his second coming.

  49. HI Leatherneck,

    Regarding this last day false system, what I believe is going to happen is that, once that second beast, also referred to as the false prophet, begins performing those counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth, the people of the world will be deceived by those signs, which will give credibility to the first beast who will be claiming to be God, who also will have prior to this have received a fatal wound, which will be part of the deception. This will draw all of the religious splinter groups into the fold of Roman Catholicism with the false prophet as its leader (Pope) and he reporting to that first beast, the antichrist.

    Regarding the millstone, the Scripture reads thus:

    “Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:

    “With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.”

    The words from the verse above “With such” means “In like manner” or “In the same way” and therefore the Scripture is not stating that Babylon will be destroyed by a millstone, but it is being used as an example of how violent and quick the destruction will be. The idea being how quickly it displaces the water and the quickness in which it sinks, which is an example of how Babylon will be brought down. As I said in the earlier post, I believe that the fire that she is burnt with is most likely nuclear and so the example of the millstone fits in that, as soon as that nuke hits, that city will cease to exist, being destroyed in a moment and no one will be able to go back in and rebuild or live there because of the nuclear contamination, which Scripture also supports (Rev.18:22-23).

    During those days, the inhabitants of the earth whose names were not written in the book of life from before the world began (Rev.13:8,17:8), will all be under that last day religious system, Mystery Babylon, with the false prophet as the head of that system (pope), who will report to the first beast, the antichrist, with Babylon’s headquarters being Rome/Vatican. God will put it into the heart of the beast and the ten kings to hate the prostitute (Babylon) and they will carry out God’s wrath upon her. By God’s grace, he even has people that will have been apart of that pagan system, people who truly believe in Jesus, but were caught up in the false system and he will call them out of her saying, “Come out of her my people.” God is calling them, not only out of the city, but to come out of that religious system.

    By the way, Christ doesn’t destroy that system when he returns to the earth to end the age, but he will have already destroyed it prior to his return, which is what the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will accomplish. That time period is synonymous with Daniel’s prophecy of the Rock which is cut out of the mountain without human hands, which falls on the feet of Nebuchadnezzar’s statue, which smashes to pieces and becomes like chaff on the threshing floor when the summer wind blows it away, never to be found again. Since the statue represents the major world ruling kingdoms from beginning to end, then this prophecy is speaking of the dismantling of the world governments never to be reestablished and Jesus being that Rock that falls on the feet of the statue and that Rock filling the whole earth (Christ’s kingdom).

    What Jesus does do at his return, is first have the beast and the false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20), the kings, their generals and their armies and all the people who will have been brought to Armageddon will be killed by that double-edged sword that proceeds from his mouth, which is symbolic for the word of God (Rev.19:21) and then Satan will be captured and thrown into the Abyss (Rev.20:1-3), and then the great tribulation saints who will have died during the those days will be resurrected receiving their glorified bodies (Rev.20:4-5). At some point the separation of the sheep and the goats will take place and probably other business and from there his thousand year reign begins.

    • Don,
      Wrong.
      Deep breath, I was supposed to get something done today, so I’ll try to be brief.
      (anything in parentheses are my words.)

      Rev. 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, (the world) and saw a beast (an evil empire) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, ad upon his horns, ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.(Allah is God, Allah has no son)

      2 And the beast (Islam) which I saw was like unto a leopard, (Greece) and his feet were as the feet of a bear, (Medopersia), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon). (If we went all the way back to Egypt there would be 7 mountains/heads/empires/beasts)

      3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded — to death; and his deadly wound was healed. (Mohammid died but his empire survived) and all the world “wondered” after the beast. (followed him/the beast…actually they had little choice in the matter)

      4 And they worshipped the dragon (Satan) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (have you ever marveled at the power and respect that a common run of the mill bully gets)

      5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; (the beast has followers and they speak the Koran giving Satan the ability to speak) and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (this 42 months is 42 months of years. They start in 688 AD when the Dome took over the temple mount and continue until 1967 when the Jews reclaimed Jerusalem during the 6 day war. also see Rev. 11:2)

      6 And he (the beast via his minions)in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (self explanatory, kill the pigs and the apes, slay them at he neck, no mercy, etc.)

      7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and powe was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Thomas Jefferson tells the story of how the Barbary pirates would hijack their ships for ransom until America was broke. He finaly put his foot down.

      7

      • continued. sorry having computer problems.

        8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (see, not everyone is worshipping the bully including the Christians today.)

        9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
        10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. (I think that goes without saying for most of us.)

        11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (Suddenly, now that the beastly minions have been subdued, post 1967, they have acquired a more civil tone, or did he?)
        and he spake as a dragon. (I think we have all seen the videos, death to America, etc.)

        12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast (Mohammid) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (see verses 1-9 above. It’s the same beast white-washed. They have a name for it, I think it’s called takiyeh.)

        13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, (God forbid they actually get the bomb)

        14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by means of those miracles (in Hebrew also means wonders, inspires awe.I mean, Einstein already brought fire down decades before. Maybe the beast makes us think he has the bomb.)saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. (A sort of an arm twisting to get us to worship Allah or be blasted, supposedly, to kingdom come)

        15 And he (the beast, Islam, with the help of his minions) to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, (ala the Koran) and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast (see writing on their headband of submission )should be killed.

        16 And he causeth (like the first beast) all (who get close enough), both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond (no respecter of persons) to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (don’t get close enough for them to grab you, you’ll be fine)

        17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark (scarf of submission, bismillah), or the name, (Muslim),or the name of the beast (Islam), or the number of his name. (they have a fondness for the number 666)

        18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding decide, vote, about the multitude of the beast: for it is a multitude of Adamic mankind; and the beast’s number is 666.

        (count can mean vote. number can mean an indefinite number like a multitude. It’s in the concordance.)

      • Chris,

        I’m not even going to begin to debug this, for most of all that you have listed is based on assumption and not according to Scripture. Islam didn’t come into existence until the 7th century A.D and as you yourself listed, the beast, which represents a kingdom as well as that last day king, also referred to as the beast, has the characteristics of those previous kingdoms of Nebuchadnezzar’s statue, being Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece, these kingdoms are not Islam.

        The 42 months or times, time and half a time or 1260 days is in reference to the last 3 1/2 years of that last seven year period given by the angel to Daniel regarding his people and their holy city, Jerusalem. Sixty-nine of the seventy sets of seven have been fulfilled, the last set of seven remains to be accomplished and it will begin when that man of lawlessness makes his covenant with many for one seven, where the middle of that seven will be marked by the setting up of the abomination that causes the desolation.

        Those whom the beast makes war against and conquers will be those great tribulation saints, which is still future. He will have power over all kindred’s, tongues and nations because he will be proclaiming to be God and will have the miracles, signs and wonders to prove it, which will be performed by that second beast, the false prophet. My advice to you is to stick with Scripture, for the things that you are claiming are based on assumption.

        • Don,

          http://beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm

          1948 – 1260 = 688 AD Dome of the Rock

          Revelation 11:2: But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

          The city of Jerusalem was under the foot of, or controlled by, Gentiles until the Israelis took back the holy city in 1967. 42 months x 30.44 days = 1278.5 days (as years). Subtracting this from 1967 we arrive at 688.5. Once again, the founding year of the Dome of the Rock.

          It wasn’t until after the events and the years of 1948 and 1967 had come to pass that we could understand the textual and mathematical solutions to these two simple problems.

          Knowledge will be increased.
          We are the generation that will see all these things fulfilled. Done and done.

          7 is the number of completion.

  50. Hello again Chris,

    Everything that you have mentioned her is pure conjecture and that because your interpretation is not supported by Scripture. Therefore, I will list each of your claims in order:

    You said:
    “Rev. 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, (the world) and saw a beast (an evil empire) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, ad upon his horns, ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.(Allah is God, Allah has no son).

    First of all, the beast represents a couple of different things which is supported by Scripture.

    The beast represents that last day kingdom (Dan.7:7,23-25 and in Rev.13.)

    The beast/dragon/serpent is Satan (Rev.12:3-4, 7-9)

    The beast as the angel of the Abyss (Rev.9:11, 11:7)

    The beast as that eighth king who belongs to the seven and who will be proclaiming to be God (2 Thes. 2:3-4,Rev.13:3-8, 17:10-11, 19:20)

    Seven heads: Represent seven hills upon which the woman sits, they also represent a succession of seven kings, that beast being the eighth king who belongs to the seven and who is still future.

    Ten Horns: Ten individuals who become kings along with the beast and who will give him their power and authority.

    I don’t know what you are referring to in regards to:
    .(Allah is God, Allah has no son).

    You said:
    “And the beast (Islam) which I saw was like unto a leopard, (Greece) and his feet were as the feet of a bear, (Medopersia), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon). (If we went all the way back to Egypt there would be 7 mountains/heads/empires/beasts)”

    You refer to the beast as Islam, but there is no Scripture to support this and therefore, Islam is simply implied. As you have listed, the leopard represents Greece, the bear represents Medo-Persia and the Lion represents Babylon. These were three of the world ruling kingdoms and have nothing to do with Islam, as they each had their own rule and Islam did not yet exist during the rule of these kingdoms. The angel was clear in regards to what the heads of the beast represented, that being, seven hills upon which the woman sits. The woman that you saw is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth. Rome was that city who ruled over the kings of the earth at the time that John received this information from the angel and Rome was literally built on and is famous for its seven hills.

    (Continued)

  51. (Continued)

    You said:
    “3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded — to death; and his deadly wound was healed. (Mohammid died but his empire survived) and all the world “wondered” after the beast. (followed him/the beast…actually they had little choice in the matter)”

    The deadly wound that the beast receives is a mortal wound, that is, one that shouldn’t be survivable, but he does. And the reason for this is that his survival will be used to give him credibility because he will be proclaiming himself to be God or anything that is called God or worshipped. The miracles, signs and wonders that the false prophet will be performing will be apart of that deception, that being to deceive the inhabitants of the world to back up his claim of being God. This has nothing to do with Mohammed. Also, this eighth king who once was, now is not and yet will come has not yet appeared on the earth, but he will be revealed once he establishes that covenant for that last ‘seven” with the setting up of the abomination 3 1/2 years later. These events have yet to be fulfilled and that because Jesus returns at the end of that 3 1/2 years to end the age where that beast along with the false prophet are both thrown into the lake of fire alive.

    You said:
    “4 And they worshipped the dragon (Satan) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (have you ever marveled at the power and respect that a common run of the mill bully gets)”

    Satan here is giving his power and authority to the beast who is that angel of the Abyss who once was, now is not and yet will come.

    Once was: He was previously out in the world.

    Now is not: He is in the Abyss.

    And yet will come: He will be coming up out of the Abyss.

    All the inhabitants of the earth whose names were not written in the book of life before the world began will be in awe or in amazement of this beast and will worship him, all except those great tribulation saints and the woman (Israel) whom he cares for out in the desert for that last 3 1/2 years, which will have been caused by the abomination being set up.

    (Continued)

    • the territory of the beast is explained in daniel….the same territories that are islamic countries today….that is the connection…..

      at the time, there was no pope or vatican…..

      and at the time, the beast was one of the 7, but not in existance at the time,…this is because the empire was grecian, not roman.. however, it would have roman teeth….

      there is more than one city with 7 hills….istanbul also has 7 hills, and there is a mosque on each one.

      everywhere islam spreads, there is nothing but abomination.

      the 10 kings can be 10 islamic countries that ban together against israel

      europe and italy do not care anything about Israel

      the ancient conflict has ALWAYS been between Ishmael ( arabs) and Isaac ( Israel)

      • Marianne,
        I agree. I don’t know why they don’t see it.

        Don,
        Just chew on it. The pieces will fall together eventually. Besides, there’s nothing to say that when the millstone hits it won’t splash all the way to Rome. Did you know a 6 mile wide rock splashing down in the ocean makes a wave 3 miles high and even 900 miles away the wave is still 1/3 mile high.

        Ezekiel 39:6 “And I will send a fire on Magog and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.”

        If you look at a map of Turkey, Mecheck, Tubal, etc., and move eastward toward Greece and Rome, you will see the Grecian Islands. If Turkey gets it, so will they.

        “Come out of her my people.” Rev. 18:4

  52. (Continued)

    You said:
    “5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; (the beast has followers and they speak the Koran giving Satan the ability to speak) and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (this 42 months is 42 months of years. They start in 688 AD when the Dome took over the temple mount and continue until 1967 when the Jews reclaimed Jerusalem during the 6 day war. also see Rev. 11:2)”

    (the beast has followers and they will speak the Koran giving Satan the ability to speak)

    This makes no sense as Satan has the ability to speak for himself since he is recorded in Scripture doing so many times and the reference to the Koran is completely conjecture. It’s implied by you and has no Scriptural support.

    (this 42 months is 42 months of years. )

    In Revelation, the mention of 42 months, a time, times and a half of time and 1260 days all equal that same 3 1/2 years which is in reference to the second half of that seven year period, which begins at the setting up of that abomination that causes the desolation until the Lord returns. This last 3 1/2 years is derived from Daniel 9:27:

    “He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”

    So, this ruler will establish a covenant, that is a treaty or alliance for one seven year period. This last seven years was and is apart of sixty-nine other seven periods which were decreed upon Israel and their holy city, Jerusalem and have already been accomplished with Christ crucified. There is one seven year period left, which is still future and will begin after our being gathered followed by that covenant which is made with the many who are most likely Israel and Palestine (Islam). Once he establishes that covenant, this starts the seven year clock ticking, with the middle of that seven marked by the abomination being set up in the holy place (Mt.24:15).

    “Until the end that is decreed is poured out on him,”

    The above is in reference to that ruler, the beast, who after Christ returns at the end of that last 3 1/2 years, that beast along with the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20). This is what the decree is in reference to. Daniel prophesied of this man who would set up this abomination and Jesus quoted Daniel’s prophecy as being yet future from the time he said it. Thirty something years after Jesus quoted this prophecy the temple was destroyed, and that without any fulfillment of the covenant being made or the abomination being set up nor any of the other events that surround that last seven found in Daniel and Revelation. People who claim that the 3 1/2 has already taken place forget that the end of that 3 1/2 years is marked by the return of the Lord to end the age and therefore, since we have not seen the Lord, there can be no literal fulfillment.

    (Continued)

    • Don,
      “He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven. (this is the round up when Daniel gives the synopsis of the final all inclusive 7. It starts peacefully enough with the Decree of Cyrus to rebuild Jerusalem and the wall) In the middle of the seven (3.5 or half of 7, or 688 AD) he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. (try holding sacrifices when you have Muslims sharpening their swords over your shoulder)and he will set up an abomination that causes desolation (hopelessness when they see all hope of rebuilding their temple is lost)until the end is poured out.” (well, it’s still standing there, still no sacrifices or temple, and Allah is still claiming to be God)

      • Chris,

        Your explanation is in vain and that because, I said earlier, and as Scripture states, at the end of the seven years Christ returns to the earth to end the age. All of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments take place during that last seven year period with Christ returning at the end. Therefore, you cannot claim that the last seven has taken place because Christ has not yet returned. You are merely applying flight of fantasy interpretations to Scripture. There is a chronology of events that must take place leading up to the return of the Lord, those being the seals, trumpets and bowls with Christ returning at the end of that seven years. The events are the wrath of God, also known as the “Day of the Lord.” Once the wrath of God has been completed, which will be sometime after the seventh bowl has been poured out, then Christ will return to end the age and set up his millennial kingdom. If you don’t believe that Christ must return at the end of the seven compare Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15. Jesus quotes Daniel regarding the abomination of desolation and 3 1/2 years after that it is stated that Jesus returns to the earth to end the age (Mt.24:30-31). In short, you can’t have fulfillment of that last seven without the return of the Lord, period!

        • Don,
          Christ will return within the generation that sees all these things fulfilled.

          Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; when his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: so likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these tings be fulfilled.

          the fig tree has budded: 1948 and 1967
          We are the generation.
          Look up your redemption draweth nigh.

          • You are correct Chris, those signs will take place. Now notice that the setting up of the abomination is one of those signs that Jesus mentioned and which takes place in the middle of that last seven years. Once the abomination has been set up Christ will return 3 1/2 after that event.

            By the way, go and read Luke’s version of Mt.24:32 which says, “Now learn the parable of the fig tree and all the tress.” Just because the fig tree was used once to represent Israel does not mean that every time the fig tree appears in Scripture that it is symbolic for Israel. In support of this, notice that in Luke’s version he says, “The fig tree and all the trees.” So, this was not a symbolic for Israel becoming a nation, but an example of that in the same when we see the fig tree and all trees blossoming we know that summer is near, in the same way when we see all those signs that Jesus mentioned, then we can know that the end is near. If you believe that the fig tree was being used symbolically for Israel, then tell me, what do you think about the following Scripture:

            “Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.”

            In the Scripture above, Jesus curses the fig tree, so is that also symbolically a curse against Israel or did Jesus just curse a fig tree? The answer is, that it was just a fig tree and It had nothing to do with a curse against Israel. Most people hear interpretations and then they just adopt it and agree with them without question and this is done throughout the word of God, that is, misinterpretation. Another one is what I keep seeing people do regarding the millstone, instead of understanding that it is just being used to show the violent and swiftness of Babylon’s destruction, people have taken it literally that Babylon is going to be destroyed by a millstone. If everyone paid attention to the details and the context of Scripture, we wouldn’t have all of these misinterpretations.

            Be like the Berean’s

            • Dan,

              Be a Berean, yes. But before doing that, ask Jesus to help you understand His parables, what Paul wrote and all Scriptures.

              “Think about what I am saying. The Lord will help you understand it all” (2 Timothy 2:7).

              Try it, being humble before the Lord, asking Him as Paul tought Timothy. Maybe you will learn something new, deeper and be given the gift of discernment.

              A.W. Tozer: “Among the gifts of the Spirit scarcely one is of greater practical usefulness than the gift of discernment. This gift should be highly valued and frankly sought as being almost indispensable in these critical times. This gift will enable us to distinguish the chaff from the wheat and to divide the manifestations of the flesh from the operations of the Spirit.”

              Blessings
              Revelation 12:11

  53. (Continued)

    You said:
    “6 And he (the beast via his minions)in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (self explanatory, kill the pigs and the apes, slay them at he neck, no mercy, etc.)”

    This simply means that this beast will speak bold words against God, slandering him, heaven and those who dwell there, as can be derived from the following:

    “He opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.”

    This slandering of God and speaking boastful words by this beast during this same time period is also recorded in Daniel 7:25:

    “He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.”

    Notice in the verse above that the last 3 1/2 years is mentioned as “a time, times and half a time.” This is in reference to that last 3 1/2 years which starts from when the abomination is set up and ends with the return of the Lord to end the age.

    (self explanatory, kill the pigs and the apes, slay them at he neck, no mercy, etc.)”

    On the contrary, the above is not self explanatory and makes no sense.

    You said:
    “7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindred’s, and tongues, and nations. (Thomas Jefferson tells the story of how the Barbary pirates would hijack their ships for ransom until America was broke. He finally put his foot down.)”

    The saints that the beast will make war against and conquer will be that group mentioned in Rev.7:9-17 those white robed saints which no man can count.

    “These in white robes– who are they, and where did they come from? These are those who have come out of the great tribulation.”

    These are those saints that will be caught on the earth during that last seven years and will keep the testimony of Jesus and the word of God and who will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark in their hands or foreheads. These are referred to as the great tribulation saints. They are not the church, for John did not know who they were when the elder asked him and this group is never referred to as the church.

    (Thomas Jefferson tells the story of how the Barbary pirates would hijack their ships for ransom until America was broke. He finally put his foot down.)”

    The above has nothing whatsoever to do with the Scripture’s that we are discussing.

  54. (Continued)
    You said:
    “8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (see, not everyone is worshipping the bully including the Christians today.)”

    Tim Lahaye who wrote the “Left Behind” series, stated in his book “Revelation Unveiled” that when a person is born, his or her name is then written in the book of life and if that person did not receive Christ by the time he/she dies, then their names are erased from the book. This of course is not supported by Scripture as can be derived from the above, but Scripture instead shows that the names of all people whom God foreknew and predestined that their names were written in the book of life before the world even began and there were names that were not written his book, that is, they were left out. Scripture shows that any name writing or lack thereof was done before world even began.

    You said:
    “9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
    10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. (I think that goes without saying for most of us.)

    This is one of those controversial subjects of Scripture, but it seems to me that the meaning of it is as follows: (Allow me to paraphrase)

    “If the fate of any of the saints is to be lead into captivity, then into captivity that person will go: he whose fate is to be killed with the sword, then with the sword he will be killed. This will require the patience and the faith of the saints.”

    You said:
    “11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon. (Suddenly, now that the beastly minions have been subdued, post 1967, they have acquired a more civil tone, or did he?)
    and he spoke as a dragon. (I think we have all seen the videos, death to America, etc.)”

    This second beast who comes up out of the earth is none other than the false prophet, as can be seen from Rev.16:13 and 19:20 respectively:

    “Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    “But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.”

    From the above, we can see that the second beast out of the earth and the designation of false prophet are both used interchangeably, referring to the same person. This false prophet, as stated previously, will be the one performing the miracles, signs and wonders (2 Thes.2:9-12, Rev.13:13). Since he will be working with the first beast and that beast is yet to come, then neither have the events of the false prophet yet taken place. Neither have we yet seen the mark of the beast, which everyone will have to have in order to be able to buy or sell, that is, to be able to credit and debit their bank accounts.

    (Continued)

    • Don,
      Jesus struck the fig tree because Israel would enter into judgment after he is crucified. But the bible said his anger would not last forever.

      Ez. 37:21 And say to them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them into their own land (1948): 22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: 23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
      24 And my servant David shall be king over them (a foreshadowing of Jesus); and they shall have one shepherd (Jesus): they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant (Israel), wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
      26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an ever lasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
      27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

      Rev. 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

      • Chris, you just proved my point, which is, Jesus causing the fig tree to wither was not pointing symbolically to Israel, but was only done because it had no fruit on it for Jesus to eat and then when his disciples where amazed that it withered so quickly, Jesus used it as a teaching of faith. The withering of the fig tree had no reference to Israel.

        • if you look closer, it was not the time for fruit….it had leaves but no fruit YET…..!

          strange

          • Yes, I know that it wasn’t the season for figs, but my point was and is that, just because the fig tree was used once to represent Israel, it does not mean that everywhere you find the word “Fig Tree” in Scripture that it is pertaining to Israel. In the case of the Scripture that we were debating where there are those who believe that the example of the fig tree blossoming is symbolic for Israel becoming a nation in 1948, I believe that they are reading into the Scripture what is not there. For as I said, in Luke’s version he says, “When you see the fig tree and all the trees.” Luke’s version would then put the emphasis on the blossoming of all trees as a sign that summer is near, opposed to it being in reference to Israel becoming a nation. And of course that example was used to show that just as by the blossoming of the trees we can know that summer is near, in the same way when all of those signs begin to take place people can know that the end is near.

            Blossoms = Summer is near

            Signs = The end of the age is near, even at the door.

            This same type of erroneous interpretation can be seen where Peter said that, “A day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is a day.” Peter’s point was that God is not affected or restricted by time as we are, yet you have people who use this Scripture as a way of trying to figure out the timing of prophecies, when it was never meant for that.

    • Don,

      You said:“But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.”

      You didn’t give a reference.

      The beast is the whole empire that has been built off of the testimony of one bitter false prophet, now dead, Mohammid. His spirit still speaks through his false scroll (see Zechariah 5)and his followers give satan a voice, speaking words of blasphemy, lieing in Jesus’ name. And when Jesus returns he is going to:

      Rev. 20:1 “And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, (who ultimately is responsible for it all) which is the devil, and satan, and bound him a thousand years. 3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled.”

      There will come a day, per Daniel 2, when that ideology will be like the chaff on the threshing floor on a windy summer day. When the Word comes out of Jesus’ mouth, that ideology is going to blow away, go up in smoke, millstone or no,and it will be silenced for a very long time. The sign on the door at Mecca will read; Ramadan closed until further notice. It will stay there for however long it takes for the boys to get back home and burn the whole place down including the sign at the door. That’s one woman they will never miss. It will be nice to have her off their back.

  55. I believe Mystery Babylon is symbolic of the city of satan and is opposite to the Holy City New Jerusalem – City of God. The City of God is where Righteousness dwells. Mystery Babylon is where spiritual evil/earthly lust/l/desire -satan and followers dwell. I believe the millstone is symbolic of the ‘stone the builders rejected’ – Christ (Matt 21:42) ./ the ‘stone cut out without hands’ (Dan 2:34) / the millstone tool of judgement suggested for those who ‘offend the little ones who believe in me’ (Matt 18:6)/ the spiritual rock ‘ and that Rock was Christ’ -the Word (1 Cor 10:4)/ And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word…..’ (1 Peter 2:8 )/ the perfect Rock – ‘He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.(Deut 32:4)/ and so forth. And finally – the millstone represents the ultimate Judge/Word/God/Truth – against which nothing can stand. “Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee’ (Duet 32:18).

    The ‘millstone’ event is during the Seventh Seal which contains the Seven Trumps (church left at the close of the Sixth Seal and is in the thousand years reign with Christ). For all practical purposes – the operation of all earthly things is ceased. Now – God seemingly is reversing all natural laws which held the earth and elements in tact and is allowing them to fall apart in order to be replaced in time with the new heaven and new earth ‘wherein dwelleth all righteousness.’ The first four Trumps seems to illuminate the destruction of the violated earth itself. And the final three Trumps (final three Woes) seem to highlight or symbolize the effect of those events on the wicked who rejected God.

    Re 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up
    Re 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood
    Re 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
    Re 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

    Final Three Trumps / Woes – wrath on wicked men

    Fifth Trump/First Woe Rev. 9-1-12 Angel releases demons from bottomless pit. These demons or putrid forms will fulfill the Sixth Trump (Second Woe).
    Sixth Trump/ Second Woe: Rev. 9: 13-21: whatever these putrid/destructive/demonic instruments of destruction are – they are given power over wicked men as God closes the age of man on earth. And they do not repent because their souls are damned and the time of repentance passed when God gathered His children from the earth ‘Re 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. ‘

    Many who read Revelations are often misled by the time-frame of chapter 10 and part of eleven which are inset and are events (two witnesses) occuring just before the Second Coming of Christ. The Seventh Trump / Third Woe does not happen until Re 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

    Re 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Thus the ‘millstone’ is symbolic of the wrath of God on the wicked and is representative in a small way of the Seventh Seal and its Seven Trumps which concludes life on earth and heralds eternity.

    These verses are hard to read without the campassionate heart lifting up prayer for those – even oneself who might be in danger of such damnation – Death. But thank God through Christ that Truth and Righteousness has eternal rule over evil and Death.

    Thus

    • internet elias,
      Good post.

      I think you will find the two witnesses in Zechariah 4:11
      “What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? 12… What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
      4:14 …These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”

      In Revelation 11:4 these two symbols, candlesticks and olives, appear again. They are not just two witnesses. These are Christians flanked by the Old Testament Jews who in Zechariah pour golden anointing oil from their throats as they speak the Word of God. It is not just one or two, but an indefinite number of both, who tell the story of God’s Word over the whole earth over a long period of time. We are his witnesses.

      Don’t be alarmed at the rest of the chapter because it says their bodies will lie in the street for three and a half days. That is describing the fact that for half of history this has been happening. 3.5 is half of seven, God’s number of completion.

      Don’t miss out on reading verse 12. I have it circled in my Bible.

      That old song of Bob Dylan’s is running through my head. Oh come all ye poets that prophecy with your pen, keep your eyes wide, the chance won’t come again.
      For the times they are a-changing.

      “till the time of the gentiles be fulfilled.” Luke 21:24

  56. Hello Internet elias,

    I disagree, for I believe from what is written in revelation regarding those kings, merchants and sea farers who are standing afar off, that this tells me that they are standing afar off for a reason. The language seems to infer that they can’t get too close. That coupled with the fact that Rev.18:22-23 proclaim that no one will ever inhabit that city again tells me that something is keeping them from being able to go back in to rebuild and inhabit the city. Also, Isaiah had the following to say regarding same time period, the day of the Lord:

    “Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame.” (Isa.13:8)

    I believe that what Isaiah is prophesying here regarding men looking aghast at each because faces are aflame, that is, on fire, could most likely be the description of what would happen to people as a result of being in the nuclear blast radius. The only other way their faces could be on fire is because God is raining down fire and sulfur as with Sodom and Gomorra.

    Also, regarding the millstone, I believe that people are reading too much into this, as it is only meant to be used as an example of the violent and swiftness of Mystery Babylon’s destruction, ergo, Babylon is not going to be destroyed by a millstone, but by being burned with fire and that at the hands of the beast and the ten kings by the will of God.

  57. Chris,

    Yes indeed.

    Romans chapter 11 is another passage written by the Apostle Paul that clearly expresses God’s redemptive, long-suffering love for His chosen people.

    These verses (Romams 11:25-27), seem very appropriate for this reply.

    “Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”

    Blessings
    Psalm 23

  58. I think ‘wormwood’ was used to describe corruption or defilement.

    As to the ‘millstone’ itself; that may well cause destruction, but I don’t believe that itself will destroy Babylon. -Although I do believe as it says, it will be destroyed ‘in one hour’… -By fire.

  59. Rev.13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    God didn’t say his number is 666. God said his number is Six hundred threescore and six. We must use gematria to count the number. Gematria assigns a numerical value to a letter.

    Gematria A=1, B=2, C=3…..Z=26

    Six hundred threescore and six Total count =313 and 26 letters
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin Total count =313 and 26 letters

    Russia President Vladimir Putin is the beast of Rev.13:18

    Pope Francis became pope on 3-13-13 or 313 described in Rev.13:11. 3 means complete and 13 means rebellion from God. Pope Francis is the 2nd beast or false prophet.

    America is the whore of Babylon Rev.17, Jer.50, Jer.51, and Isaiah 13
    Las Vegas Nevada is the great city of Babylon that God destroys described in Rev.18
    Russia Putin with 10 other countries destroy the whore America Rev.17:16-17

    God gets all the credit and glory
    Jesus is your only hope
    Repent Repent Repent

    • Hi Joey,

      You said:
      “God didn’t say his number is 666. God said his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

      Six Hundred = 600

      Three score = 60 (20 is a score x 3)

      Six = 6

      Six hundred sixty and six or 666

      So basically, whether you want to say six hundred, three score and six or 666, they are the same. This number will be related to the code of numbers found in the mark, which will eventually take the place of swiping cards and phone apps.

      ===================================

      You said:
      “Russia President Vladimir Putin is the beast of Rev.13:18”

      Putin hasn’t demonstrated any of the characteristics written about the beast in scripture. Those who are here when that beast/antichrist is revealed, will know him when he makes that seven year covenant as found in Dan.9:27. Only the one who makes the seven year covenant with Israel will be that antichrist and since Putin has not done that, ergo, he’s not the beast.

      You said:
      “Pope Francis is the 2nd beast or false prophet.”

      You are on the right track here, as the false prophet will be one of the popes, but not necessarily Francis. Just as the beast will be recognized when he makes his seven year covenant with Israel, so also will people know the false prophet when he begins to perform those miracles, signs and wonders on behalf of the first beast/antichrist. What is written in scripture about these two is truly the only way to identify both the beast and the false prophet.

      You said:
      “America is the whore of Babylon Rev.17, Jer.50, Jer.51, and Isaiah 13
      Las Vegas Nevada is the great city of Babylon that God destroys described in Rev.18”

      Again, we must look to the scriptures to properly identify Mystery Babylon. That being said, here are the characteristics of the woman who rides the beast:

      “The woman you saw is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

      At the time that the angel was giving this information to John, the city that ruled over the kings of the earth was Rome, which would be fitting seeing as one of her future popes is going to play the part of false prophet. Furthermore, America didn’t even exist at the time John was receiving that information nor is America a city and that alone disqualifies America from being the woman.

      “The seven heads are seven hills upon which the woman sits.”

      America does not sit upon seven hills and is therefore disqualified for that reason as well. However, Rome was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills, with the Vatican as her headquarters. Rome with her pope/false prophet and her pagan religious system is Mystery Babylon and will regain her power and authority when that antichrist/beast is revealed.

      Blessings in Christ

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