Book of Enoch – Son of Man in Heaven


Passages showing the Son of Man in heaven at the time of Enoch.

Because there is a theological controversy over the divinity of Jesus / Yeshua, I have always searched for scriptures to show that the Messiah to come would be more than just a man.

In the beginning, long ago, I thought there weren’t any, and I found it hard to believe that God would omit such an important revelation as to WHO to expect to come and save them.

But with study, and searching, I did find satisfactory scriptures to support this concept.

There are now other posts on this:

Suffering Servant and the Messiah

Son of Man, Angel of the Lord, and the Messiah

Messiah will be cut off

The Jewish Messiah, the Jews, and the Assyrian

Is the Jewish Messiah Just a Man?

Did Jesus fulfill the Jewish Scriptures for Messiah?

Pre-existence of the Chosen One

In addition to the above, here are some more passages from the Book of Enoch.

They give more proof that “another” (Son of Man) was sitting with the Ancient One and was glorified and worshipped.

Passages from Enoch:

Chapter 46

1 And there I saw One who had a head of days,

And His head was white like wool,

And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man,

And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels.

2 And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that

3 Son of Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and) why he went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me:

This is the son of Man who hath righteousness,

With whom dwelleth righteousness,

And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden

4 And this Son of Man whom thou hast seen

Shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats,

[And the strong from their thrones]

And shall loosen the reins of the strong,

And break the teeth of the sinners.

5 [And he shall put down the kings from their thrones and kingdoms]

Because they do not extol and praise Him,

Nor humbly acknowledge whence the kingdom was bestowed upon them.

6 And he shall put down the countenance of the strong,

And shall fill them with shame.

Chapter 48

2 And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits,

And his name before the Head of Days.

3 Yea, before the sun and the signs were created,

Before the stars of the heaven were made,

His name was named before the Lord of Spirits.

4 He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall,

And he shall be the light of the Gentiles,

And the hope of those who are troubled of heart.

5 All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him,

And will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of Spirits.

6 And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before Him,

Before the creation of the world and for evermore.

Chapter 49

2 For he is mighty in all the secrets of righteousness,

And unrighteousness shall disappear as a shadow,

And have no continuance;

Because the Elect One stands before the Lord of Spirits,

And his glory is for ever and ever,

And his might unto all generations.

3 And in him dwells the spirit of wisdom,

And the spirit which gives insight,

And the spirit of understanding and of might,

And the spirit of those who have fallen asleep in righteousness.

4 And he shall judge the secret things,

And none shall be able to utter a lying word before him;

For he is the Elect One before the Lord of Spirits according to His good pleasure.

Chapter 51

For in those days the Elect One shall arise,

2 And he shall choose the righteous and holy from among them:

For the day has drawn nigh that they should be saved.

3 And the Elect One shall in those days sit on My throne,

And his mouth shall pour forth all the secrets of wisdom and counsel:

For the Lord of Spirits hath given (them) to him and hath glorified him

Chapter 62

1 And thus the Lord commanded the kings and the mighty and the exalted, and those who dwell on the earth,

and said:

Open your eyes and lift up your horns if ye are able to recognize the Elect One.

2 And the Lord of Spirits seated him on the throne of His glory,

And the spirit of righteousness was poured out upon him,

And the word of his mouth slays all the sinners,

And all the unrighteous are destroyed from before his face.

3 And there shall stand up in that day all the kings and the mighty,

And the exalted and those who hold the earth,

Chapter 61

28 And they shall see and recognize How he sits on the throne of his glory,

And righteousness is judged before him,

And no lying word is spoken before him.

4 Then shall pain come upon them as on a woman in travail,

[And she has pain in bringing forth]

When her child enters the mouth of the womb,

And she has pain in bringing forth.

5And one portion of them shall look on the other,

And they shall be terrified,

And they shall be downcast of countenance,

And pain shall seize them,

When they see that Son of Man Sitting on the throne of his glory.

6 And the kings and the mighty and all who possess the earth shall bless and glorify and extol him who rules

over all, who was hidden.

7 For from the beginning the Son of Man was hidden,

And the Most High preserved him in the presence of His might,

And revealed him to the elect.

8 And the congregation of the elect and holy shall be sown,

And all the elect shall stand before him on that day.

9 And all the kings and the mighty and the exalted and those who rule the earth

Shall fall down before him on their faces,

And worship and set their hope upon that Son of Man,

And petition him and supplicate for mercy at his hands.



The Son of Man in heaven sits on a throne, being the Elect one chosen by the Ancient one of Days to rule kingdoms on earth.

The Ancient One shares his glory with him. He is worshipped in heaven.

And at the appointed time, he comes and makes himself known to mankind.


131 Responses to “Book of Enoch – Son of Man in Heaven”

  1. Since the early days of Christianity when scholars and philosophers felt the need to reduce God into something that the human intellect could wrap itself around this theological hot potato has caused much conflict and disunity within the body of Christ unlike the apostolic church of the bible who accepted that God was of a substance too advanced for human comprehension. God calls those things that are not as though they were. He sees the beginning from the end. Prophetic events are often referred to in the present tense resulting in further confusion. Some aspects of God are not understandable while we exist in our current state of 3D humanity and when speculation spawns conflict, as it does, it becomes unlikely that resolution can emerge.

    • Our redemption is based on our acceptance of the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior for our sins, not our doctrinal theology. When we get to heaven, the complicated issues will be resolved for us.

      • Amen!!

      • Sorry you dont know your bible verywell , a good thought to remember . IF your creator sent his son to die for our sins. IF you believe it or not cant stop him from what HE says HE did or will do in the futher

        • ??

          I believe in the creator sending his son.

          I would not think of opposing him

          • HE knows you dont know what he knows therefore you cant oppose him . And because he knows you are sincere he will not judge you because HE loves you to much. I have no religon they are man made . all i am is a vessel of our creator HE dicktates to me and i write it down . most of the time i dont know what HE is saying intell HE tells me to read what was said . Am i a false profet ? very thing i say comes to pass , this you will have to take my word for but its true . MY FATHER states facts to me, that can be proven in the scriptures. When he tells me something is going to happen it does happen . When the earth quike happen in MEX. city . I was there 3 days before and HE told me to leave and never go back . SO i did 3 days later it happened . And were i was staying all the people in that building died . I also know MY FATHER has a son . BECAUSE HE MY FATHER told me i was is son . i am speaking about the only begotton son . THE one that will come before the world is destroyed . I am my FATHERS body but he is my GOD AND ALSO MY FATHER.

            • there is ONE god, who is the FATHER GOD, who lives in heaven, and NOT on earth.

              His name is Yahweh

              he has a Spirit Son, named jesus, who came to earth to witness to mankind about the FATHER GOD, and to pay for our sins so we would not have to go to hell.

              Jesus is back in heaven now, and the holy spirit of God has been sent to earth to help the believers. Jesus sits now at the right side of the throne of FATHER GOD.

              Jesus came to earth as a baby and grew up on earth. he stayed for 33 years, died, rose from the dead, and went back to heaven.

              His birth was a miracle. Mary’s body was used and jesus was put inside by God, so Jesus could come as a human and teach people. but jesus was also divine, since the real father was FATHER GOD.

              there was NO sex with joseph to have Jesus.

              Joseph was just assigned to take care of mary and jesus.

              joseph married mary and then they had human children after jesus was born.

        • This is very rude>>Sorry you dont know your bible verywell ,

          Marianne is very well versed in scripture. How presumptuous of you to assume otherwise.

          • MY comments are not to afend anyone, but I do dare say they do , the big why question is ? its because they reject what I say , only because they are closed minded, rejecting ever thing , that they dont believe is true, without proveing or searching the searching to see if what I say is true or not: Know this not every thing we believe is the truth , and not every thing we dont believe is a lie, exzample Hebrews 9:26— Matt 22:42-45—Rev. 1:1, 4-5— To know the truth these scriptures must be concered and there are many many more 11 cor 11:2-4— The scriptures tells us that jesus his the son , and also david , after god the man comes in his body of flesh , Which is the body of our CREATOR Gen 1:26—5:1-3 IF you dont concer this you can never know the truth no matter who we are. SHALOM

        • Sorry Ed,

          It IS in the belief in Jesus. There are numerous scriptures through out the bible not just the NT. Jesus said if you reject Him then the Father will reject you. Many Israelites lost their salvation for unbelief and went after other gods.

          You did’t earn it by doing anything and you can’t lose it by doing bad. It is only in believing. But truly believing and the knowledge of Him sets you free. The work of the Holy Spirit is in you


        • God was in heaven and on earth,but on earth as Jesus .so he died and stayed in heaven for our 2nd chance to come back through enoch the messanger

          • My dear sister : A closed mind is everyone that has already made up their mind on what they think is true : What I said is true , however if a person has a open mind they will search the scriptures to see IF what I state is true or not, Here are a few scriptures that could be concered , BUT will anyone concer them ?— Heb 9:26,16—Rev.1:4-5,8—2nd Tim 4:3-4—2:15-19—Gal 1:12—2nd Cor11:3-6—1st Cor 15:12-54—Job 19:25-27—Isa.45:6—44:8— Matt 16:20 This question everyone must answer IF they want to know the truth, IF Jesus was the Christ and he was resurrected fron the dead, why do we still die ? Now IF he was not this can be the reason we all die sooner or latter, Will you concer this or hold on to what you believe ? WE all can see the truth but IF we dont except it the only thing we have left is the lies and this includes me

          • Study the book of Hebrews and it will tell us that IF G-D which is the creator if he comes a second time he would have no choise but to judge us all, one sacrife for all who sined in their life and that includes everbody, And know this if anyone sined after Jesus died their sins would not be forgiven according to PAUL

    • Not many people believe that GOD is not a spirit . BUT what they leave out he also has a body of flesh. And only he knows he is GOD. HAS long as he is in is body of flesh he can have children . and even die which he will. And after 72 hrs. after his death he shall raise again . Then those who died before him also shall raise. THEN DEATH SHALL BE NO MORE

  2. The days are upon us when you will no longer have a theory or opinion, but you will see with your own eyes, and many are they who will be slain by the Lord!

    For then the devil comes for you, only God can help you – but when God comes for you, no one can help you!

    Wake up to righteousness, holiness and be reconciled with God through Christ!

  3. If one understood the concept of God, he/she would know that no other beings or entities other than messengers exist in his presence and the term “ben adam” [ son of man ] is a common form of address and nothing more.

    • Jay

      There is only one God, but He has a heavenly son.

      • HAVE you ever read in the scriptures were it said GOD is your creator and also your savour. Also when he spoke to David the king of Isreal . HE said to him from my own loins i will have a son called David—- Matt 22 :42-45—– And in a a nouther place he said his youngest son will be called Jesus. What does Gen 22 : 8 tell you ?

    • Sorry this is not true . HE is a son of a man therefore he also is a man just like any outher man . At the same time he is the chosen one . there is still more look it up your self if you want to know

    • IF your waiting for Jesus to come out of the clods to save you, You are looking in the wrong place he is liveing on this earth, and so is his brother david encluding their father, and his wife called mary. dont believe this ? its still the truth: and no one knows their fathers name or shall I say his new name, only because no one wants to know what it is,even the scriptures tells us this. call him Jesus if you want , BUT thats not his name

  4. Great, humbling article. As man tries to replace God with secular humanism or New Age belief so the world slides down the path of destruction and degradation. How many Christians humble themselves before God and get down on their knees and repent, even for the simple sins we think are nothing. Persecution of the Christian faith is going to be severe, it has happening in the Middle East, Africa and Asia and no response or care from the Western governments. Christian fundamentalists or Bible believers will become the new terrorists to the coming world government or UN and they will be persecuted and killed (Matt 24:9). As Jesus said regarding when He returns, “will I really find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:8), and, “for the elects sake those days will be shortened” (Matt 24:22). Depending where you live there may be tribulation coming so we need a deep faith and trust in Jesus but Lord help the non believers (Matt 25:31-46).

  5. Marianne,
    Amen. Our only hope is in Jesus Christ even if we can’t fully comprehend God, we know that Jesus is God and in him alone is life, hope and salvation. Without him we are lost and if we think otherwise we are deluded.

  6. ah, so you found the small scroll,
    good on ya. sweet to the mouth but bitter to the stomach.

    • Dont realy know what your talking about , However this I do know, the TRUTH is always sweet, but we must except it first and its never what we think it is

  7. Rev: 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.I believe in Gods word, sometimes we forget what Peter said that the word of God is of no private interpertation,for holy men of God were moved by his (Gods)spirit to write down what God wants man to know,the apostle Paul was once told that his much learnig made him a mad man,the carnal mind cant even comprehend when the spirit speaks.As for the book of Enoch, we will have to do more research on fact or wives fables,i do believe enoch walked with God.

  8. Don’t Jesus own words confirm His divinity? Or God’s words at Jesus’ baptism? (This is My Son, in Whom I am pleased…) I may be confused as to what exactly you are trying to search for.. There is a lot of foreshadowing of Jesus’ coming (and what He would accomplish) in the OT, one passage that comes to mind is Ezekiel 34. It’s speaks of Jesus coming as a shepherd who judges between the fat and the lean sheep, rescuing them, healing them and feeding them.

    • Check out the end of revelation 2, one is going to get power from the Father . Then psalm 2 and Daniel 7

      • Check out REV. 1 :1 — 4-5-and 8 —- HE is the one we are waiting for and in Joshua 22:34 and 24:27 tells us more

    • Does any of you read the scriptures , and understand that Christ is yet to come ? Check out Hebrews 9 : 26 — And all of chapter 10 —- What did Paul say in 11 TIM 2 : 15-19

  9. The Word of God tells us that we are not to stand still in our faith. Some of us keep going over and over, time after time, the first principles of the oracles of God. You know, being saved, repenting of sins, baptism in water and in the Holy Ghost, laying on of hands, the resurrection from the dead and eternal judgement. Which are all very necessary things, but now it is time to move on, for our foundation has been laid.

  10. Starting out as a Christian child is real easy. Its the Maturing that brings us into the “Mind of Christ” that upsets us so much. Cause we are not willing to “empty out ourselves” to understand God by Revelation. This last age is like Jesus age. Its knows the scripture to quote. They just don’t know the Author of the Scriptures.

    MATTHEW 12:43-45 – When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
    44. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. = sanctified
    45. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the “last state” of that man is “worse” than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
    This person did not fill himself up with the New Wine = Holy Spirit – The New wine does not fit into old wineskins.

    MATTHEW 23:15- Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, = convert and when he is made, ye make him “twofold more the child of hell than yourselves”.

    Traditions of men will bring in 7 fold more religious demons in you than when you started your walk with Jesus. This is what is wrong today. Get them to the alter. But cannot make them into the “Image of Jesus Christ” because the traditions of man are still in the “Dark ages” of doctrines.

    The Complete Restoration of the Word is here. Isaiah got strong and said.
    ISAIAH 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. = ALL TABLES – all of Israel had no truth in them. That is the way Prophets spoke in the O.T.
    9. ¶ Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. – not mothered to death all their life but be ye men.
    10. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
    11. For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
    12. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
    How many Church’s today even believe in the “Infilling of the Holy Spirit and Speaking in tongues”. How many do not believe in Healing. How many do not believe in Holiness, How many believe we are suppose to have the “Mind of Christ – How many have the “Image of Jesus Christ” How many really really love Jesus Christ . Most today like the brother said on another post there comes a time you move on to deeper things. But your Tradition will not let you.
    Preaching and teaching the Truth today is like Speaking in a foreign language to most. And Babies cry all the time and need so much papering by momma. Most momma boys grow up to be self-centered, spoiled brats, and disobedient if they do not get their way. And most have a bad spirit if you reproof them ever.

    br. ty

  11. >7 For from the beginning the Son of Man was hidden,

    And the Most High preserved him in the presence of His might,

    And revealed him to the elect.<

  12. I’ve always found the use of ‘Son of Man’ in Enoch to be interesting. Jesus called himself the Son of Man more than he ever called himself the Son of God.

    But what’s problematic about its usage in Enoch is that we are never told that the Son of Man must die and resurrect after 3 days.

    • larry

      there are 66 books in the bible….and some others like Enoch.

      the book of enoch was not purposed to present the gospel of Jesus Christ.

      it was to tell the story of enoch.

      there are other books which address messianic prophesies.

      Jesus may not have used the term son of god, but he repeatedly referred to God has his personal Father, and that he and the Father were “one” in spirit.

      so if the Father God was his father, according to Jesus, then it can be logically concluded that Jesus was saying he was God’s son, or the son of God.

      Jesus also accepted the title “son of God” when others called him that…

      here is a list of “son of god” occurances in the bible:

      • There is a big difference between Jesus saying that God is his father and him declaring himself as THEE Son of God.

        There is no place in the gospels where Jesus refers to himself as THEE Son of God.

      • 2 Samuel 7:
        12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son. When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men, 15 but my steadfast love will not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me.[c] Your throne shall be established forever.’” 17 In accordance with all these words, and in accordance with all this vision, Nathan spoke to David.


        Notice verse 14

    • HE is the fleshly body of the creator himself . Does not the scriptures say he made man in is own likeness ?

    • THOSE that are stuck in reglon will not hear the truth. Because they were taught lies that they believe is true. What the spirit of GOD teaches is always true. What he says can always be proven by searching for FACTS and not just beliveing something is true. To clearify this comment not ever thing we believe is true: IF a angel came to you and told you something that you did not know, the facts or the answer to would you believe him . most people believe there are good angels and bad . IF he was a bad angel he would LIE to you . IF a good angel he would tell you the truth not lie to you. SO be it with each and everone of us . we must prove what we hear and think and not believe anything inless it comes by inspr and is proven by everthing GOD has said in the past . BECAUSE he never changes is mind after he said something . BUT we never should make up our minds before . IF we do what we believe will be the answer. BUT not the truth

    • And IF you study the scriptures the man they called JESUS did not stay in the tomb for 3 days and nights 11 cor 15 :12-54

  13. It shows in revelation 2 another getting power from the father as well as the son who rules with a rod… i was rereading Daniel 7 and it seems to be the son because it shows the ancient of days… the Highest One or High One… and son of man… psalm 2 also mentions Jesus placing a King upon the mountain… at first i thought it was Jesus but then took a closer look… its Jesus saying it.

    • justin

      I agree with you.

    • IF you search the referrences that goes with your scripture it will tell you below the mountain there is a river and a bridge that crosses it . and below that is were GOD lives . and he built this house and payed for the material to build with his own money. This sounds crazy but it is true , The scriptures said it now it is true. Because this house is standing were the scriptures said it would be . Before he built the house, OUR creator always tells us what he is going to do before he does it, Why so that we can know that he did it instead of us . And that we can know HE does not lie

  14. What i said was not to be rude ,sorry you took it that way . please forgive me anyway

  15. Does not the scripture speak for its self ? Christ is the father of David , and not the outher way which says David is the father of Christ . acording to the truth found in the scriptures . David and Jesus are sons of the one called Christ . in the NT it is written that Jesus never had any children . So how could Jesus have a son called David ? If GOD is the father of both, and he is :they are brothers

    • christ is the son of david in geneological terms, as when he took human form, his mother was from tribe of judah, making her a descendent of david. so from that point of view, jesus was a descendent of david by his mother

      his father was a descendent of levi.

      but in terms of the spirit. christ preceded all human flesh, as he existed in heaven before creation, and before he ever came to earth. and the father in heaven worked through christ to create this world.

      the term son of david means of the tribe of judah, and from that physical royal lineage of david.

      the term son or daughter of abraham is also used, meaning anyone of the hebrew race.

      • How can a person that has perfect eye sight not see ? the answer i will give and base it on the scriptures . its because they are not looking for the truth . BECAUSE they think they know it already. They denie the truth for what they believe is the truth . THE one everbody believes is JESUS CHRIST said not i in Matt.22:42 -45 —— he spoke not in a parable nor in a geneological terms . strate forward he stated in plan words even a fool can understand CHRIST IS THE FATHER OF DAVID . HE also said in 22:29-and 30 —- AFTER THE RESSURERECTION OF THE DEAD THERE WILL BE NO MARRIGES .Because we will be like the angels. ———- and please note i am not telling you this its the one you call JESUS CHRIST . will we call him a lier because what he said is the truth ?fact is we believe what we think GOD said . BUT we realy dont know intell he tells us himself . And if you are looking for JESUS or his FATHER in the heavens your looking in the wrong place Because they are liveing on the earth this very minute . FEAR not little children i have come to save you from the distruction that will come on the earth . And none of you will be here when it happens . AND dont worry i am not going to judge you , For what you did wrong on this earth . THIS is mans doctrine not mine

        • christ jesus and the father and the holy spirit were all involved in creation.

          that makes them father to all mankind, including david

          • The scriptures i have studed starting in Gen 1 :1 GOD our creator spoke and everthing he said came true IF not it will . IF it hasnt happed its still in the futher but it will happen when the time is right . Like in REV. 1 : 4-5 and 8 and in 1st COR 15 :12- 54 IF theses thing did not happen ; than Jesus was not the Christ . THIS can only mean that Christ is yet to come . And he will at the right time. AND no one will know who he is intell he reveils is true name———- sincerly

            • I could have said his new name that no one knows but only a few jews And 144, 000 which are now in heaven . which is the new earth not like this earth . THEIR is no seas , death , wars ,or famine

            • christ jesus was raised from the dead and so he is the christ

              so you are not christian?

              • I am a jew and a christian , I KNOW who chirst is , and i know his name . I can even tell you were he lives on this earth . BUT if you dont believe this i can tell you no more. BUT i dare not say you have rejected ever thing i have in the past comments . IF you do you will hear from me no more . THE dision is up to you . BUT note this i will not judge you in any way, nor my FATHER because we both love you and always will

              • What shall we do with Heb 9:26 and Rev. 1:4-5 shall we strike them from the scriptures ? just because one believes that Jesus was the Christ , Even this man that Peter spoke to saying he was the Christ the son of GOD : This mans answer was he was not , And IF one searches the scriptures to find the truth , The truth will prove that his name was John. the real Christ will have a bro and his name is John Rev. 1:9 —-However IF you search to find out the names of the bros of Jesus the one you call Christ did not have a bro called John—- I am not trying to debate the scriptures with anyone, all i am doing is commenting on the scriptures concerning things that no one else sees—- And they are based on facts that no one wants to concerder

              • Are you thinking I am not a christian ? just because I reveil to every one that Jesus was not the CHRIST, this is the truth and the facts prove it, but no one has to believe what I say, WE all must know for sure if he was or not. the next step is we all must search the scriptures to know who he is, and whats his name, were he was born on this earth, and were he will live at the time of his death, the scriptures reveils all this , and a good place to start is the son of man. I have never lied to you and I never will, every thing I have told you my FATHER which is our CREATOR taught me, AFTER I was taught by outhers and encluding me.[ AFTER all he is the only one who knows the truth and never lies or make mistakes]

                • WHO has the right not to let me tell , what my FATHER has taught me. and I do know its not what any one believes , however does not my FATHER say no one knows what I know , what you think you know was taught by outher men encluding your self

          • Best comment I have read

  16. 2 Samuel 7:
    12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son. When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men, 15 but my steadfast love will not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me.[c] Your throne shall be established forever.’” 17 In accordance with all these words, and in accordance with all this vision, Nathan spoke to David.


    Notice verse 14

    2 Samuel 7, from what I’m reading, is telling us who Yeshua is and describes what happens before His crucifixion.

    >>~offspring…come from your body (flesh/blood) (no virgin birth, Joseph is the biological father, which gives Yeshua His tribal affiliation to Judah and heir to throne of David)

    >>>I will be to him a father, and he will be to me a son (this explains the many references to a father/son relationship in the NT)

    >> rod of men….stripes aka flogging (see NIVersion) (this sounds like to me what happened preceding Yeshua’s crucifixion)

    • Paul in Romans 1;3 that Joseph is Yeshua’s father, offspring of David
      1 Paul, a servant[a] of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning his Son, who was descended from David[b] according to the flesh 4 and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,

      • 13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

        This sounds similar to the the book of Enoch…..yet, its from Daniel 7

      • Dear lyndsey you left out to many scriptures , thats why you came to your concluson

  17. Hi Marianne 😊

    This is info that I’ve recently discovered regarding Joseph being the biological father of Yeshua, while studying His genealogy.

    Joseph is from the tribe of Judah and is referred to as “son of David”.

    But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
    Matthew 1:20

    Tribal affiliation must come through the Father. I think this is found in Numbers 1.

    If 2 Samuel 7 is talking about Yeshua, and I believe it is, then it confirms that He was the offspring/flesh and blood of David, “seed of David”.

    Mary’s genealogy would be from the tribe of Levi, as her cousin Elizabeth and her husband were both from the tribe of Levi.

    This would make Yeshua both King and Priest.

    2 Samuel 7 :14 also explains the father/son connection between Gd and Yeshua.

    Romans 1:3 confirms Joseph as the biological father and explains that Yeshua is the son of Gd through the Holy Spirit and His resurrection.

    Romans 1:3
    concerning his Son, who was descended from David[b] according to the flesh 4 and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,

    I do believe Yeshua is the word made flesh, John 1, and that all things are made through Him and that He was indeed with Gd in the beginning.

    How Gd did this through having Joseph as the biological father can be explained by the angels comment to Joseph when he said “for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit”, Matthew 1;20.

    As explained to me by a former Orthodox Jewish Rabbi who now believes in Yeshua as Messiah, Joseph and Mary were betrothed, which does not exclude sexual relations.

    In our translations, the word “virgin” is written, which is not the original word. The Hebrew word used was “almah” , which means “young woman”.

    The Hebrew word “bethulah” means “virgin” and this word was not used.

    See Isaiah 7:14

    • maybe I have it backwards

      one parent was from judah

      one was from levi

      • Yes. For Yeshua to be heir to the throne of David requires His tribal affiliation to be from His Father who is “son of David”, tribe of Judah.

        A “virgin” birth not having a biological father from the tribe of Judah,,as is my understanding, would disqualify Him as Messiah, which is why most Jews disregard Yeshua, under the “virgin” birth teaching.

        I went to the Messianic Rabbi, who had been an orthodox rabbi for answers ,,assuming He of all.people would have thoroughly researched this before coming to believe Yeshua as His Messiah. He is the one who showed me 2 Samuel 7.

        I honestly do not know the origin of the “virgin” birth teaching, for even Paul states Joseph is Yeshua’s biological father in Romans 1:3.

        I suspect Catholicism was behind it, as they venerate Mary.

        2 Samuel 7, Isaiah 7:14 and Romans 1:3 prove otherwise.

        Almah/Hebrew = young woman not virgin aka Bethula/Hebrew

        • Leaveing out the blood lines of a father or mother IF they are jew or gentile makes no difference . WHY? the scriptures say a true jew or chirstian are thoses who listen to their creator and believes what he says

        • What shall I believe what man trys to teach me or what I already believe, or shoud I reject every thing and let my FATHER reteach me what he knows is true

  18. ISA 7 : 9 the word you used can also mean a young women which is not a virgin . And the name of the man called LEVI could be the name of the natural father of the one called Christ. after all he is a man, Before you reject this , Is it possible that you will search the scriptures before you do ? Isa.7 :9———- WE are not told to debate the scriptures, but to share what we know, leaveing out what we think is true——— sincerely

    • taking a logical approach

      we would have a young woman who is righteous and pure

      and we could have a young woman who is unrighteous and impure

      which do you think applies here?

      • Sincerely sis I dont have any opinion on anything i JUST state what that MY FATHER tells me . I do know in what i sent to you did have something concerning Marry the mother of jesus . AND if you were here with me i can prove it to you . Because its true

      • SIS i have been here 3 days and nights without sleep where do you think my strenth comes from ? i am not sleepy , tired , or even hungry MY FATHER JUST TOLD me when we leave this world we will never sleep again , get tired or hungry , does not the scriptures conferm this ?

  19. Are you saying that Jesus his the son of Joseph ? If so how can he be the son of GOD ? To create a human there must be the egg of a women and the sperm of a man . Thats why GOD made man and women. GOD made man in his own likeness . SO at the right time he to will have a body of flesh which will be a mans body which will be the body of the creator . With is body of flesh he now can have children, but not without a women and she must be his wife. I will only include one scripture , but there are many IF you search them you will know what i am saying is the truth.—– Rev. 1 : 4-5 and 8 this is the creator himself—— sincerely

    • eduardo

      we are not that mixed up here.

      joseph is the foster father of jesus.

      god is the father of Jesus…..jesus was conceived by the holy spirit of god, not a man

      this is why mary’s lineage is important……

      she donated the X chromosome

      god donated the Y chromosome

      Joseph married mary after she had conceived jesus

      mary is of the line of david

      joseph is of the line of david as well…please excuse any previous confusion on that

      • I don’t think foster father counts as tribal affiliation.

        Gd told David, through the prophet Nathan, in 2 Samuel 7….12When thy days are fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, that shall proceed out of thy body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14I will be to him for a father, and he shall be to Me for a son;

        >>>shall.proceed out of thy body

        The NIV states “flesh and blood”

        • Romans 1:3 states, again, using CJB version:
          God promised this Good News in advance through his prophets in the Tanakh. 3 It concerns his Son — he is descended from David physically; 4 he was powerfully demonstrated to be Son of God spiritually, set apart by his having been resurrected from the dead; he is Yeshua the Messiah, our Lord.

          >>descended from David physically
          >>>demonstrated to be Son of Gd spiritually…having been redirected from the dead

          • Meant resurrected, not redirected

            • It is a comnon pratice for men and women to say GOD said this or that . And if its not what GOD said, And they want to believe it they change it to the way they want . And not what GOD said . ONLY what GOD says in the scriptures can be trusted because he knows what he says , said or will say and do . And only his spirit in you can tell you if he said it or not . And when he shows you something he will prove to you . Intell you know it is true , by showing you all of the facts. Which conferm if it is true or not true . The truth stands by its self . and only the truth can reveil if something is a lie or not

            • When the father of Jesus is resurrected from the dead after 72 hrs. earth time . Then no one will denie what he has said is true

        • both foster father and mother are from the same tribe of judah… so the connection is there


            For tribal affiliation, priestly status and royalty are determined by patrilieanal descent for membership (from above article)

            • well jesus is son of god, not joseph.

            • THE true christ after his father and mother left him . He chose is creator to be his FATHER and MOTHER . And what he knows now is what his FATHER has told him . And he has a birth record that tells you is name and the name of his father , which is Levi , also the birth record of his two sons David and the outher he is called Jesus

              • eduardo

                is English a comfortable language for you?

                some things you say do not make sense in english

                the earth mother and father of jesus did not leave him.

                jesus did not choose God to be his father and mother

                his father was not named Levi

                and jesus never had any sons named david and jesus

                • Sorry you did not understand what i said . I was not referning to his son called Jesus . I was referning to the father of jesus Which is god in the flesh. NOW his FATHER is the creator of everthing that was created or will ever be created . And it is HE who will raise his own body of flesh after he has died for 72 hrs. then death will be no more———- I know this sounds strange but this is the truth . THE doctrine of Christ is not know by man . But when he comes he will reveil his doctrine and most people will think he is the antichrist . PAUL wrote about this man . Acts 13:36-41—- Rom 4:6-8 —8:29—— 1 st Cor 15 : 12-54 —- 11 Cor 1 : 9-10 —-6 :18-21—-There are many more . But the last i will mention is 11 Cor 11:3-6

                  • christ has already been here.

                    you are very confusing

                    • THE doctrine of GOD doesnt fit in with what you have been taught by man nor can it ever be . I know my FATHER if you ask him . HE will show you which doctrine is true . IF you will go to 11 COR11:3-6 —— I did not say this it was PAUL and what he said has now come true

                • BUT there natural father did and does have two sons called David and the outher is call Jesus and all three are liveing on this right now

        • WHEN we leave out the natural father of Jesus. ALL we have left is Jesus and GOD put the natural father back in and you will find out . THE father of Jesus was a orphan and he did have a forster father by the name of joseph . and the true jesus was not nor will not be a orphan because when his father dies he will still have a mother. Did you know that the father of jesus has a bro called john ? But jesus did not’ also when his father dies he will be the first to come back from the dead and death will be no more

          • you are confusing.

            what religion are you?

            • Did you catch what was said to David . WHEN you get old and your hair will turn white or grey you will die and afterwards you will have a son and he will be the Messiah . ONLY a fool would believe this , even a fool is smater than this . And he knows how babys are made

        • A good question to ask our selfs, did david the king of Isreal have a son called Jesus? and who can have children after one is dead ? and which one comes first a son or his father ? no son can be his father and at the same time be the son

      • I will make a statement on each of your comments. FIRST you say we are not that mixed up . IF you say it so be it .BUT if you say it you will close your eyes to the truth . Listen and consider what has been said . you will find out if what you think is true or not.—- Joseph was the forster father of the father of the true Jesus . THE father of Jesus is called god. His forster father joseph died with a stroke many yrs. ago . the father of Jesus is a man and he is a man like anyouther man . And he has no special powers . Jesus was conceived by the man called god . and the one you call Jesus Christ said a spirit has no body of flesh , with bones and blood . Further more they do not have organs like a man and a women that can produce children in the image of a man or women . THE only lieage MARY has is she was married to the man called god and had a son with him . and it is HE that calls their son Jesus . And he had two sons one is called David his youngest is called jesus . Mary his wife donated the egg. and her husband did the rest . BY haveing sex with her . And afterwards his FATHER finish what was left . Forming the body in her womb intell he was to be born . also the man called god married Mary after she had a girl by another man and she was not married . At that time he the man was married to another women . also Mary is not the mother of David . She is the mother of 3 children two daughters and a son called jesus . And the forster son of Joseph had a natural father and his name was LEVI

    • GOD our creator created the first man and women out of dirt. in each one he created he added that what the outher did not have . This way they can and did have children. THIS is the way its always been. the scriptures said when Adam knew her she was with child. the truth is when Adam had sex with her she could have children and she did . and when they were born they had a body of flesh not dirt . Adam was the first man created and Eve the first women. Thats why all of us IF we are JEWS or GENTILES are brothers and sisters . THE only difference is what we believe is true or shall i say what we think is true . AND only our FATHER knows the truth and only HE can tell us what is the truth. IF we are a JEW or GENTILE only HE our creator can teach us the truth. WHY because only HE knows the truth and we just think we do — sincerely

  20. YOUR statement makes clear that you thank that GODS name is Joseph . according to the scriptures GOD the FATHER and GOD the son has the same name. in this case the sons name should be called joseph not jesus——– I do know and say is not what you believe . and IF you dont want to hear from me again just say so. And IF you do please tell me so

    • you do not know anything about the bible.

      gods name is yahweh

      joseph is not god

      joseph is the foster father of Jesus.

      jesus is son of god, not joseph

  21. Chapters 49 and 51 gives a lot of information on the son of man . BUT it doesnt tell us is name . WHY he must reveil it no one else can . and because only he knows he is the son of man

  22. I will not debate with you i can only tell you what my FATHER told me to tell you . reject it or except it its up to you

  23. THANK YOU my desire also is that he blesses you like HE blesses me . NO problems of any kine . BUT i must say my greatest treasure is what he teaches me . O what a wonderfull FATHER he is . WHEN he melts me with his LOVE all i can do is cry and thank him . 3 times but not anymore , i ask him why he gives me so much . HE answered with the same statement its because i LOVE you . and i know if i ask him one more time . he will tell me the same thing . its not because we love him its because he loves us and his love doesnt fall apart like ours

  24. IF you dont believe me now how will you act when you see your creator face to face ? Will you call him a lier because he and i told you the truth and you dont want to believe it . WHAT you think you know is not true . and what you dont know is the truth and it only comes from your creator . I can tell you but only my FATHER can reveil it to you

    • I will be fine when I meet my creator.

      i believe in his bible

      and his son is my savior and lord

      • Wow this went on for two years….I know this is two months ago but what eduardosiders said sounds close to Mormon doctrine…of which is not Biblical…

        • I know nearly nothing concerning the Mormon doctrine, However what i say is in the KJV . the Greek , and the jewesh bible . Concerning the scriptures what one sees with our natural eyes is not enough . WE must see threw the eyes of the spirit of GOD in us . Then you will see things in a different light and its all true . A good exzample is Matt. 22 : 42-45 — it is saying Christ is the father of David . They both cant be true : Because the outher verson says that David is the father of Christ . THE question is and it needs to be answered which one is true ? and the outher will be false

      • Wow! looks like this has gone one for two years…what eduardosiders is saying sound sorta morman or something like that…Of which is not Bible…

  25. G-d told Adam their would be a redeemer in the future.

    I suspect, G-d is going to throw this world system a bone to get their one world government and religious system pretty soon. Somehow, this man made global warming will be used to hide the truth of what happened.

    It’s just a guess on my part. As a grunt Sgt. I can read the writing on the wall well. It reads war and chaos for the near future. I hope I am wrong. I just don’t think I am.

    Peace out,

  26. From one grunt to another, someone, somewhere, sometime thought ,I will write the book of Enoch, well where did Enoch learn that God was going to take him and he had better write a quick book, the book of Enoch is just another humanism way of confusing what Gods plan is.Let me sum it up,eye has not seen, ear hath not heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man the things God has prepared for those that love him. It don’t get any better than that,stay where the Apostle Paul said,keep it simple and truthful any confusion is not of God.

  27. There are few passages in holy scriptures as powerful and enlightening.

  28. Satan has hidden these beautiful texts away from so many people. Most Christians don’t want to even read these text. The book of Enoch showed me the light. I look at everything completely at a different perspective. I can really SEE the Deception laid upon the Earth.

  29. The book of Daniel tqlks about us in chapter 7… When he comes inour hearts chriay in yhe fleah that perfect man when he appears we will belike him as he is and daniel 7 shows one like unto the son of man that is us the elect his little flock receiving the kingdom because it is the fathera good pleasure to give us the kingdom 👑 hallelujah bless his name !

  30. Sweet sister , close your eyes and go back to sleep , and keep believeing what you want to believe , I have reveiled facts that you dont want to concerer, SOBEIT I still love you and always will —- Most people use the scriptures to prove what one believes is true : justifing our own interpetion of the scriptures, and leaveing out scriptures that denie what we believe is true : Is it possible you are one of these ? I am not saying you are , nor do I judge those who do this !!! IF scriptures denie what we believe , our doctrine or what we believe has a error in it, and IF we dont want to except this is possible , WE can never know the truth, even tho we think we do.[ this is called spiritual blind ] SHALOM

    • yes i believe that because the bible says this.

      paul did the same thing, calling fellow believers brethren (brothers)

      god bless you

    • matthew 12

      46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.

      47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

      48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”

      49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.

      50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

  31. Sweet sister and may our FATHER bless you also, by opening your eyes so you can see things in the futher, concerning the things you dont see now

  32. The Recital of Almighty God’s Word “The Mystery of the Incarnation (4)”

  33. Jesus is the son of man he will return and rapture the righteous and judge the sinners

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