Burn the weapons

 

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How do weapons burn for 7 years? Is it due to quantity or quality?

Does this give us a clue as to the type of war Ezekiel is describing?

When I first read Ezekiel 39:8-9, I had a hard time imagining Israel taking 7 years to burn “shields, bucklers, bows and arrows, and javelins and spears.”

I could see a few weeks or months, if there were many, but not 7 years. And why burn them? Why not keep them for its own use?

I then tried to imagine the modern counterpart to these weapons, and their flammable properties, but I was still falling short. In ancient times, the weapons were made of metal or wood.

It seemed like most of the modern weapons were made of just metal, with only little or no flammable portion:

buckler –a small shield, worn on the body. = bullet proof vest?

Shields = tanks, helmet ??

Bows and arrows = guns?

Javelins and spears = missiles?

What kind of weapons would the attackers use, in the Ezekiel war?

I then studied the history of flammable weapons, and realized that it would not take 7 years to burn all of them, not only because they were so numerous, but also because the contents and fumes were toxic, that only a little could be burned at one time, to protect the local residents from harm.

The basis for most flammable weapons is gasoline, which could have other ingredients mixed in with it.

Gasoline is a witch’s brew of organic chemicals, many of which are toxic, but whose major danger is that it is an extremely flammable substance.

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– napalm bombs

Napalm

Napalm is a mixture of benzene (21%), gasoline (33%), and polystyrene (46%). Benzene is a normal component of gasoline (about 2%).

Heated polystyrene softens at about 185 F. At higher temperatures it turns back into styrene, the chemical from which it was made.

Styrene has been tested as toxic to rats.

In air, polystyrene melts and burns with a yellow, sooty flame.

Styrene itself has a sharp, unpleasant smell that is easy to recognize.

White Phosphorous is included also. This is what is used to produce SMOKE.

Modern napalm is composed primarily of benzene and polystyrene, and is known as napalm-B.

The substance is formulated to burn at a specific rate and adhere to surfaces.

This later variant, napalm-B, also called “super napalm”, is a mixture of low-octane gasoline with benzene and polystyrene.

It was used in the Vietnam War.

Unlike conventional napalm, which burns for only 15–30 seconds, napalm B burns for up to 10 minutes with fewer fireballs, sticks better to surfaces, and offers improved destruction effects.

It is not as easy to ignite, which reduces the number of accidents caused by soldiers smoking.

When it burns, it develops a characteristic smell.

Also, the flammable substances can reach up to 1,200 °C (2,200 °F). Such a high heat indicates a need to only burn small quantities at a time as well.

Shields and bucklers describe equipment worn on or carried with the body.

Bows, arrows, javelins, and spears describe projectile weapons.

It does not seem that this Ezekiel war will be nuclear, but with cruder weapons, like flame throwers.

We are looking at chemical warfare, and this has a long history. It is crude, but effective.

Another useful (and dangerous) effect of napalm, primarily involving its use in bombs, is that it “rapidly deoxygenates the available air” as well as creating large amounts of carbon monoxide causing suffocation.

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Incendiary Weapons

The purposes of incendiaries are to cause maximum fire damage on flammable materials and objects and to illuminate.

Incendiary agents are used to burn supplies, equipment, and structures.

Initial action of the incendiary munition may destroy these materials, or the spreading and continuing of fires started by the incendiary may destroy them.

Even experienced troops may suffer increased battle fatigue when confronted with a surprise enemy weapon, tactic, or attack. Examples include napalm bombs

The use of flame weapons, such as Fougasse, the M202A1 Flash, white phosphorous, thermobaric, and other incendiary agents, against military targets is not a violation of current international law.

Flame weapons are characterized by both physical (flame and overpressure) and psychological casualty-producing abilities.

Flame weapons can be used against fortified positions, interior buildings, tunnels (to include subways and sewers), and open areas.

They can also be used to control avenues of approach for personal and lightly armored vehicles.

Incendiaries produce intense, localized heat designed to ignite adjacent combustible target materials.

The true incendiary produces no fireball and relatively little flame.

The basic damage mechanism of firebomb weapons comes from the fireball and burning residual fuel globules, impact momentum of the fuel and container, and damage from fires started by the weapon.

 

Incendiary Munitions

 

The main incendiary agents are thermite (TH), magnesium (MG), WP, and combustible hydrocarbons (including oils and thickened gasoline).

Thermite incendiaries are a mixture of powdered aluminium metal and ferric oxide and are used in bombs for attacks on armoured fighting vehicles.

Thermite burns at about 2000°C and scatters molten metal, which may lodge in the skin producing small multiple deep burns.

Magnesium (Mg) burns at about 2000ºC with a scattering effect similar to that of thermite. Its particles produce deep burns.

At ordinary temperatures, white phosphorus (WP) is a solid which can be handled safely under water.

When dry, it burns fiercely in air, producing a dense white smoke.

Fragments of melted particles of the burning substance may become embedded in the skin of persons close to a bursting projectile, producing burns which are multiple, deep and variable in size.

The fragments continue to burn unless oxygen is excluded by flooding or smothering.

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Combustible hydrocarbons fall into two categories:

1. flame-throwers, oil incendiary bombs.

During a flame-thrower attack, as flame and burning fuel fills an enclosed fortification, the oxygen content of the air is reduced and a hot toxic atmosphere containing large amounts of carbon monoxide, unburned hydrocarbons and smoke is produced.

2. fire bombs containing thickened gasoline.

A fire-bomb is a large tank containing thickened (gelled) gasoline that is air dropped.

When it strikes the ground, the fuel is ignited by phosphorus igniters and a large fireball of intense heat is produced, lasting about 4 to 6 seconds.

Also, a wide area of ground is covered with burning thickened gasoline, which may continue to burn for as long as 10 to 12 minutes.

The Marine Corps uses flame weapons systems, such thermobaric systems, that belong to a new class of fuel-rich compositions that release energy over a longer period of time (more so than standard explosives).

When detonated in confined spaces, a chemical reaction causes a vigorous evolution of heat, pressure, and flame or spattering of burning particles as the warhead cloud expands.

The result is a deflagration, a rapid [though sub-sonic] combustion process that gives off heat and light [in contrast to a detonation, which produces a super-sonic shock wave]. –

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Final Thoughts


Apparently, nuclear weapons will not be either available, or considered ideal for the Ezekiel war.

With all the nuclear detection devices, the enemies may not want to be apprehended as they sneak into place.

So they are willing to use more primitive, but effective weapons, especially if there is a large number of them.

Also, this may mean that Israel has destroyed nuclear weapon storage, and manufacturing sites, of its enemies by then, and those kinds of weapons are no longer available to use.

Current threats against Israel may push it into action, to disable its enemies, in a pre-emptive attack.

Most likely enraged, the enemies will retaliate with what weapons they have left.

This of course, does not make Israel the aggressor, since the enemies were planning to attack Israel anyhow, with more lethal, nuclear weapons to begin with.

If only rogue nations would understand the series of battles leading up to Armageddon, and realize that they will be the source of the most horrific wars ever predicted.

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References:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm

http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to/video/how-to-make-homemade-napalm-fire-starting-goo-272244/

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/napalm.htm


26 Responses to “Burn the weapons”

  1. Don’t forget that there will me multitudes in the valley of decision, probably millions. If each one only carries a speer and a shield you will have huge amounts of burnable materiel. Also you do not want to waste that in one go just tp get rid of it. You may use it for heating.

  2. Good article, Marianne.

    I can sea another reason for not using nuclear weapons – Ezekiel speaks of Gog and Magog coming against LAND of Israel in order to capture it, and by then Jerusalem may will have been partially captured by foreign forces – more reason for not using nuclear weapons.

    • hi Gavriel

      Another thought. If Muslims are trying to protect their Palestinian brothers, and also the temple mount, which they claim to be theirs, then they would not want to use nuclear weapons against Israel. It would destroy the entire country.

      • Maybe. But, some Muslims would destroy themselves in order to destroy Israel, let alone Palestinians. But the mastermind of the attack are not Muslims, it is Gog from the land of Magog (I beleive Russians). Prophet asks Gog ironically about the purpose of the attack: “Are you coming to take spoil? Have you assembled your assembly to plunder loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take livestock and possessions, to take much spoil?” – knowing that this is not the purpose of the attack…rather, purpose of the attack is spoken in Pslams 83:
        5. They said, “Come, let us destroy them from [being] a nation, and the name of Israel will no longer be remembered.”
        13. Who said, “Let us inherit for ourselves the dwellings of God.”

        • True … for The Lord says ‘My nation shall perish.’
          Aren’t you glad that ‘God is your God?’
          Your are sons and daughters of Hashem your God.

          • Correction MY NATION SHALL NEVER NEVER PERISH!!!!

            • All tribulations are worth it, because we are
              going to become like Him forever – through
              “tree of life” which is the cross granted for us
              by Jesus Christ, shining like a ray of light on
              those who are saved.

  3. We previously spoke of “tree of knowledge” being something sort of a mushroom/fungi…and what nuclear explosion looks like? God, indeed, Has sense of humour:)

  4. WHAT A GREAT DAY IT WILL BE WHEN JESUS CHRIST YESHUA IS HERE AND MANKIND WILL QUITE TRYING TO DESTROY ITSELF AND THERE WILL BE PEACE FOR A 1000 YEARS . PRAISE GOD.

  5. Throughout the Bible, the day of the Lord is portrayed as an invasion of Israel when Israel is at peace-an invasion from the north. The New Testament says that the day of the Lord is a desctruction when people are saying “peace and safety.” Ezekiel 38 says “this is the day I have spoken of.” And yet, Ezekiel 38-39 also has 5 direct Amrageddon parallels. So how to solve this apparent problem?

    I believe that the day of the Lord starts with the antichrist’s invasion at the 3 1/2 year mark of Daniels final seven years, and then ends 3 1/2 years later with Armaggedon. And all of the OT scriptures actually say the same thing: the day of the Lord is an invasion from the north, northeast, and then sometime later the Lord comes back and destroys those northern invaders…withness Joel: “I will drive the northern army out of Israel.”

    • You know Alan, I have felt as well that the day or coming of the Lord represents a time period until the Lord finally arrives. It seems plausible to me.

      It means the time is drawing very very near.

  6. Russia is the chief arms supplier to the many enemies of Israel, these weapons are also made of a product called lignostone, which is a highly compressed wood fiber with a petroleum base, light, pliable, yet durable as steel. When burned at high intervals of heat it is broken down into an alternative fuel source. The fact that the Lord God allows them to burn these weapons so that they cut no wood out of the forrests suggests a winter war. Though Israel is a modern energy consumer with electricity and nuclear power, the settlements (kibbutz, or unwalled rural villages) would rely on wood for fuel in the winter.

  7. Excellent… now I understand better… Well researched. I can’t agree more.

  8. Seven years to burn the weapons makes me think of this task having to be done very minimal 3 1/2 into the tribulation as the Jewish people will be handling that task. The later portion of the Tribulation the Jews are fleeing and hiding as they are the object of persecution. Also I want to think that if the Lord did wipe out their enemy anytime soon, that there would be a huge revival of Jews claiming God and wanting to get that Temple up ASAP. Jews from all Nations would desire to go to their home land to be with their people and celebrate this great victory. Also the world at large would SEE that this supernatural intervention happened and they all know the claim that they are Gods chosen. People would respect that or at very least acknowledge it. This could lead to peace talks, treaties , one world unite and Israel recognized and protected. Perfect set up for a leader to rise and have all the answers and seduce the trust of Israel.

  9. You know I’ve been doing a lot of research on this because the information is scarce and hard to understand when the weapons will be burned. We know for how long. But the question is when? And after a lot of searching, I came across an article that seemed to make sense to me. Now it may or may not be correct, but the idea is certainly an idea I could work it and see it working.

    In general, the guy mentions that the millennial kingdom is a possible time to burn weapons after the tribulation. He goes on to mention how we will no longer use weapons, turn old weapons into plow shares, rebuilding our world and such. He provides verses to help elaborate on this.

    and it creates a plausible scenario of burning weapons for 7 years. Have a look and see what you make of it.

    http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/09/burning-weapons-during-jesus-millennial-reign/

    • interesting link…next question is what comprises the tribulation and when is it? and when is it over?

      • Do you mean what will happen to the weapons in the tribulation? Or do you mean what leads to the tribulation happening?

        • some think the tribulation is 7 years long, and includes the seals, trumpets, and vials. so the “end” is after the 7th vial…

          others thing the tribulation is 7 years and only includes the seals, which is followed by God’s wrath in the trumpets and vials….

          others thing the tribulation is 3 1/2 years, according to daniel, and only includes the seals, which is followed by God’s wrath in the trumpets and vials….

          some think the extra 3 1/2 years precedes the tribulation, and others think it follows it.

          so if weapons are burned in the millenium, the issue of when it starts is debatable due to the above viewpoints

  10. Well, I am researching this myself, and have been for quite a long time, and I’ve only come to two conclusions about how this scenario of burning weapons can play out. After the confusing and non understanding, as mentioned above I found that article and it helped make more sense to me.

    But basically the scenarios are like this in my opinion, and I will say neither is correct, because I dont know the truth, but only putting one and one together.

    So, the first scenario.

    One: This burning of the weapons starts 3 1/2 years before the tribulation starts, possibly from fighting the Arab nations and destroying Damascus. Once that war is over and those millions have been destroyed, I think that Israel will take the land and expand it borders, and by expanding those borders, you come into the territories of those who have been killed, and there will be a lot of weapons lying around and they can burn them for the 7 years and bury the dead for 7 months!

    But of course that leaves a near 3 1/2 year gap in between the war and the start of the tribulation because we know this war end extremely quickly.

    So if there is a 3 1/2 year gap between the burning and tribulation, then what sets off the the peace treaty from the antichrist? The angry world who is ready to kill them because they destroyed millions and this war has been turned against them? I am not sure. But if that is the case, then 3 1/2 years of burning weapons, the antichrist makes the treaty and then 3 1/2 years more until they flee Israel, in which they have no time to burn weapons because they are running for their lives and escaping captivity. and then possibly the vials and trumpets are in the last half of the great tribulation, but I dont see that happening.

    Scenario two.

    Two: Once Jesus returns, he takes away his people at the 6th seal, and once the 7th seal happens, that begins the vials and trumpets, and all those tragic periods of wrath happen and such as people try to allude death and other things, that they dont have time for killing anymore, their agony and pain will make them stop everything and just scream over and over from the wrath.

    But let’s back up a minute and detail this out. in Rev 6:12-17. It talks about the 6th seal being broken, the sun, the moon, asking for rocks falling and hiding others, and then in 17 it says “For their day of wrath has come and who can stand?”

    So the wrath is on its way if we take this verse at face value and without any secretive explanations. The 6th seal happened and now the wrath has come.

    Next comes the sealing of the 144,000 and the angels cant harm the earth until the 144k are sealed, and who knows how long this period of time is, but it isnt a literal 144,000, but a figurative number I feel, because it says a great multitude that no one could number, and we can obviously number 144,000, but it says we cant number the multitude, so I think this number is figurative.

    But anyways, they have come out of the great tribulation, and then the 7th seal happens and there was silence in heaven for about a half an hour, and I dont know if this mean heaven time or earth time because you know the times are different, but more than likely we can take it at face value and wait it out for 30 minutes to see what happens.

    Now at Revelation 8:6 we begin to talk about the trumpets, so we can now see these trumpets/wrath happen at or around the 7th seal, so we now know these Vials and trumpets are at the end and they are here to wreak havoc on those still on the earth. So after all that prophesying and other things which was spoken about, which the times confuse me, I atleast know the trumpets and such are after the 6th seal and into the 7th.

    So again, during the wrath no one will have time for weapons and all that and they will be dropped and I am sure not worried about. And when the time comes at some point later the millennial kingdom will be established, but as I pointed out above, we will be working hard to replenish the world, build and planting fruits and making plows from weapons, and that could lead to a time of cleaning up the world and burning those weapons.

    I know my scenarios are wrong, but I am of course still learning myself, but this is all I have for now, your input is very much welcomed 🙂

    • ezech 38 and 30 may be 2 different Gog wars…..also

      • I am open to the idea too. Do you think that could be between the Arab war and the 3 1/2 year gap that could cause the antichrist to make a peace deal?

        • I am thinking gog loses both wars….after the first one, Israel will have power for awhile and the temple can be built…..and the AC to show up..to be buddies with Israel..

          which sets the stage for the abomination………..then later, in the second war, the remnant of Gog is finally destroyed.

          remember the book of daniel does not say it is a peace deal….it does not even mention Israel in the “covenant” of 7 years.

          so the “deal” could be an arab alliance against ISrael as well

          • Yeah, more or less in Daniel the reason that armies will surround Jerusalem is that an agreement will be made between the Beast alliance of nations and the Israelis to guarantee their protection. After this agreement is made, there will be peace and prosperity in the Middle East for a short time.

            This period of peace will allow the Jews to build a temple in order to worship their God in Jerusalem. When this temple is completed, the Jews will institute the sacrificial system at this temple. When this happens, the political scene will probably take a dramatic turn for the worse and it will probably offend others. The Jews will be implying that their god other Gods are false and that the Jews are worshiping the only true God and it will possible make other nations mad which could eventually lead to the mid point of breakage.

            But possibly right before the breakage at midpoint, the antichrist will send its army to Israel of saying he will protect them and Israel will probably accept it so they will feel secure from the threat of others who may be offended. But more than likely the intentions of the beast are a lot more than protection and he already has his army there to prepare the invasion under the idea they are here to protect them.

            Just an idea.

            But aside from that, I am really thinking that the Arab nations will be wiped out possibly before the Antichrist arrives. When you read a few chapters back in Ezekial, it says this:

            Ezekiel 28:24-26
            24 No longer will the people of Israel have malicious neighbors who are painful briers and sharp thorns. Then they will know that I am the Sovereign LORD. 25 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: When I gather the people of Israel from the nations where they have been scattered, I will show myself holy among them in the sight of the nations. Then they will live in their own land, which I gave to my servant Jacob. 26 They will live there in safety and will build houses and plant vineyards; they will live in safety when I inflict punishment on all their neighbors who maligned them. Then they will know that I am the LORD their God.

            And to me it seems that “neighbors” are the arab nations that surround them, not gential nations from afar. So I am placing a bet on that the arabs will be gone before the Antichrist arrives so that peace may be involved.

            I am open for discussion as always 🙂

            What is your take on this, plus the burning weapons?

            • Also, I am waiting for when Israel hits those 15 trillion tons of oil, that will definitely attract those nations to take spoils. But if it is Russia or Turkey, whichever may be, do you think they would attack twice?

              • You know after reading Ezekial 39, I happen to wonder about something as well. First I think Magog may be somewhere in the middle east somewhere, since coast lands are spoken of; and it isn’t just one whole coast land, it is mentioned as many coast lands, and there are many in the middle east.

                And it seems that to me possibly, that the burning and burying will happen after the 42 months of the gentiles trampling the nation of Israel. Here are some excerpts from Ezekial 39.

                21 “I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them. 22 From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them.

                It sounds as once God wipes out Gog and whomever else may join, that then (even if at end times) nations will understand the punishment inflicted and Israel will understand finally who their God is, for that when they were forced out of Israel, they fled, they didn’t know properly who God was, and more than likely denying his word and doing whatever other sinful things there were doing.

                God says he handed them over to their enemies which seems to be at the midpoint when the gentiles trample the country.

                25 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will now restore the fortunes of Jacob[d] and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name. 26 They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid.

                And now God talks about restoring the land and fortunes and what not and how He will have compassion upon them. They will forget that during the tribulation and whatever other time, they had unfaithfulness when they lived in safety which that safety seems to point to the either: safety after they wiped out the arabs and were ok, or the safety that maybe they felt with the antichrist before destruction over took them.

                27 When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind. 29 I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the people of Israel, declares the Sovereign Lord.”

                You know and I know that God will return them finally from the countries of their enemies, and that could mean when they flee from Judea during the midpoint, they will go as far as the neighboring countries, which God will have already wiped out, and they will be hiding there possibly, but then able to return.

                God says he will be proved holy through them (Israel) in the sight of many nations. It could be possibly that israel returns before Jesus returns? The gentiles are finished for the 42 months they trampled and then israel returns? It takes a very short time anyways for someone to understand something such as how holy God real is.

                God says he will bring them all back, not leaving any behind and he will make himself known to Israel. This sounds positive to me and could very well be the positivity towards the end when Jesus arrives and all these issues are over with.

                Again even if they do trample for 42 months, it doesnt mean we can count down the exact days until Jesus arrives, because no man knows the day nor the hour. So the 42 months could end with a little bit of time to spare before Christ arrives.

                This is all theory and speculation of course and I dont believe what I write, but I am researching it because I know nothing of how events work, but am trying to understand. 🙂

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