Clay People in the Feet


Who are the clay people?

In Nebuchanezzar’s dream, in Daniel 2, some mysterious feet are described.

And whereas you saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Dan 2:43

At times, when I used to read this verse, I assumed the clay was human, and the iron was non-human.

But that is not consistent with the previous verses:

Head of gold = Babylonian empire = human

Chest and arms of silver = Medo-Persian = human

Belly and Thighs of Brass = Greeks = human

Iron legs = Romans = human



So, who are the clay people?

They are not listed among the world empires, as they are too weak to be an empire.

But they are present, and prominent, enough to weaken iron.


First WHAT is clay?


Clay is a mineral ‘stew’ that is the result of the erosion of the earth’s crust over vast spans of time.

How this transformation takes place is a matter of geology and time. The effects of erosion over enormous spans of time cause igneous rocks to disintegrate, and the feldspar content is altered to kaolinite, which is the identifying substance in clay.

Those clay deposits which remain at or near the site of the parent material (granite) are called residual or primary clays. These so-called residual clays are grainy and lack the smoothness necessary for workability.

These clays are said to be non-plastic because they do not shape easily.

Miry clay ( wet clay)

Those clays which have been transported by water, wind, and ice and deposited in locations distant from the source material are called sedimentary or secondary clays.

Compared to residual clays, sedimentary clays are more plastic, and the particles are smaller, more uniform, and more mixed with other materials.

Under the microscope, clay particles resemble playing cards in form. They are flat, hexagonal, and thin, like cards.

When wet, the particles can ‘slip’ across each other, as in a deck of cards. This ability to ‘slip’ is what gives clay its workability, called plasticity.


What kind of people resemble the properties of clay?

Especially the sedimentary clay…. Which is wet, and washed away from its source. Which has plasticity and can be molded (into toes in a statue)?


Movement : What kind of people move long distances, from their points of origin, and enter into various countries?

Plasticity: They come from one place, and mold into society in another country. They take the shape of that country while still retaining their identity.

Instability /slippery : When wet, particles can slip or move, indicating instability.

What kind of people are unstable, or their presence makes the country unstable?


Clay and iron chemistry

In the statue, the presence of clay weakens the iron in the feet.

When Iron is exposed to wet clay, oxidation takes place, resulting in RUST, which weakens iron.

This is called oxidation.

The term oxidation was originally used to describe reactions in which an element combines with oxygen.

Example: The reaction between magnesium metal and oxygen to form magnesium oxide involves the oxidation of magnesium.


After electrons were discovered, chemists became convinced that oxidation-reduction reactions involved the transfer of electrons from one atom to another. From this perspective, the reaction between magnesium and oxygen is written as follows.

2 Mg + O2 clip_image010 2 [Mg2+][O2-]

In the course of this reaction, each magnesium atom loses two electrons to form an Mg2+ ion.

Mg clip_image010[1] Mg2+ + 2 e-

Oxygen associates with the magnesium, which gets “reduced” ( loses electrons), and oxygen just contributes “air.”

The electrons that used to belong to the magnesium have to be shared with the oxygen, because of the strength of the “pull” of the oxygen.


Back to clay feet

Wet clay is the oxidizing agent for iron.

So wet clay causes a “loss” in the iron.

As oxygen combines with magnesium to form magnesium oxide, the same association happens between wet clay and iron.

The clay “takes away from the iron” but contributes nothing to it but “association,” transforming the iron into a different entity.

It is still iron, but weaker.

What kind of people take away from their new country, but contribute nothing to it?



Clay people are unwanted , undesirable immigrants who come into a country and weaken it with their needs and demands.

In Europe


Immigrants into countries who have no interest in accepting the values and customs of their host countries, instead living in closed communities, demanding that their host countries bend their customs and laws to accommodate them.

Many immigrants to Europe come from the Middle East and Africa with different religious and cultural values.

Witness the huge problem of conservative Muslim immigrants taking over whole parts of cities, often with police hesitant to enter.

Witness these immigrant communities insisting on their right to perpetuate their intolerant traditions against women and non-believers, at times even attempting to institute their undemocratic, mercilessly medieval Shariah law.

Witness this in their originally welcoming democratic host countries, from England to central Europe and even the Scandinavian countries.

These immigrant communities insist on their right to perpetuate their intolerant traditions against women and non-believers, at times even attempting to institute their undemocratic, mercilessly medieval Shariah law.


Immigrants to America are Hispanic (Mexican) , middle eastern, eastern, African, European, etc.

Many are legal, and contribute, but there is a massive amount who are illegal and parasitic.

They are also gangsters, drug dealers, infected with disease, terrorists, or so poor and uneducated they contribute nothing to society. They cannot even speak English.

They drain society of its money and resources, introduce disease and terror and crime. They demand tolerance, but give no tolerance back.

They introduce instability, or uncertainty, into the future of America.

ISIS is here to destroy America.


Destruction of the Clay /Iron Feet and statue

Since Europe and America have the most immigration problems, to me, the last empire is western civilization itself, which is the product of the ancient Roman empire.

At the forefront, is America, or some say Mystery Babylon, to make it worse.

Daniel describes the destruction of the feet, as well as any empire who comprised the stature

45 just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure.”  Daniel 2:45

Mystery Babylon is also described as being destroyed by a millstone in revelation.

Rev 18: 21

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

So, as the feet of Nebuchanezar’s dream is destroyed, so is Mystery Babylon.

Babylon was initially strong, due to the strength and achievements of the Roman empire, but weakened itself with massive immigration of peoples who came to drain and destroy, instead of contribute.

In other words, it started out strong, but let the wrong people in.

Other reading about negative immigration:

54 Responses to “Clay People in the Feet”

  1. i have always believed that mystery Babylon is the united states, (even though i did not wish it were so) this goes along with the great city that is destroyed within one hour, and the ships stood afar off and all wept for all of the fine things came from her. these verse parts i believe are the key; great city= great country/ (not a city) why; for all the fine things came from her. the united states is the envy of the world, everyone wants to come to her. the u.s. has all the luxuries of life, much greater then any other country. why would all of the people from different countries wail at her loss; the u.s. holds the rest of the world together (from just every country attempting to take other countries at will) the whole world would know that there is nothing left to check rampant overthrow of countries by their neighbors. and all the technology that comes from the u.s. and over half of the worlds food supply.

  2. What would the seed of men refer to, that these mix themselves with, and fail to cleave one to another denote?

    First as in seed, the root and also the product of a commodity. In seed of men, it must mean the varieties of humankind. Who the clay is, and the iron, notwithdtanding, the stressing here is that these do not cleave to one another.

    In the United Nations, all the seed of men comes together, mingling, but they fail to sustain a common agenda for earth, and are perpetually in discord. Currently Russia and the USA, both strong nations, fail to cleave in the matter of Ukraine. Who of these two is clay and who would be iron, but that the semile is in their not cleaving together?

    The chemistry lesson is wonderful, but I fail to see how it applies to immigrants. Besides, with the Americas, are not even the Europeans the seed of earlier immigrants who forced their way and culture onto the continents?

    Iron in presence of air and water will rust in the redox reaction even without the presence of a clay partical. Dry clay will not cause rust on iron. Iron and clay actually have no basis of affinity/reaction and hence do not mingle.

    Why do I sense social profiling of crrtain races of immigrants in this post?

    Do not the scriptures teach us to be kind to immigrants=strangers, especially of the neighbourly type=poor and wanting?

    What would be Christ’s attitude to the immigrant situation?

    • john

      the explanation was there, but you did not understand it. the clay is miry clay or wet clay…..

      the oxidation of iron (by the wet clay) TAKES AWAY from the iron, immigrants take away from america
      miry clay is a wash of minerals from another source…..immigrants come from another place….

      the clay are the illegal immigrants, mostly, and some legal, that come to bleed and destroy the countries….they are mostly muslim, if that helps.

      mingle….immigrants mingle with nationals

      • I appreciate the miry clay comparison.

        Psalms 40:2 however seems to equate the pit of destruction to miry clay, ‘He brought me out of the pit of destruction, out of the miry clay and placed my feet on the rock to stay.’

        Could the iron mixed with the miry clay refer to strength =iron in the ways of destruction=miry clay.

        For its also true that the greatest destruction the earth and its inhabitants have suffured has been since the so called modern age.

        Also in the millstone, comparison and destruction of Babylon, it does not state that Babylon is destroyed by a millstone, but that Babylon would be cast down as the angel had cast down the millstone. Just thought the meaning in this poses a different effect.

        You also know, that the deciever, and yhe decieved both belong to God. Now I acquaint persons of diverse faiths and culture, and when we appreciate that most of these are only decieved,as we also in the past had been, we ought to mind slackening the line for the sake of our brethren who still abide as thr decieved.

        Be blessed and thanks for sharing your mind once more.

      • The clay and iron are pacts, marriages between nations.
        NATO and Warsaw pact. Iron stands for strength, clay for weakness.

        NATO and Warsaw pact ends up in 10 regions.
        AntiChrist as the world leader.

        • Profetens

          Since the previous parts of the statue represented nations, it would be consistent that the iron and clay would also represent nations, dont you think so?

          • Yes, NATO consists of nations. And the 10 final kingdoms (toes) are also made of iron-clay. This 10 final regions consists of many nations.

            Luke 21: He told them this parable: “Look at the fig tree (ISRAEL) and all the trees (NATIONS). When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.

    • John,

      Here is another interesting bit of information regarding the mingling of iron and miry clay.

      It’s been going on for a long time.

      Psalm 25

      • iron represents rome….clay represents something weaker.

        a clone is weak? antichrist weak?

        there is a lot of illogical speculation in this video..I do not think BO looks like the pharoah the eyes and chin are different.

        playing with numbers, and turning the name playing, looking for something to speculate about.

        23 chromosomes + 23 years to build temple = temple jesus referenced (46)?


        as if the apostles and jesus were discussing DNA….that is irrational.
        chromosomes + years does not = chromosomes….that is bad math and bad science

        that is BS

        so when reading psalm 46 now has a bad meaning.

        we all stand in our temple ( body) just like BO does, but that is NOT what Daniel and Jesus prophesied.

        get back to the bible and off youtube.

      • I am not saying he is not the AC but the reasoning here is terrible.

      • Thanks for the video link.

        Indeed warlocks employ code to illustrate certain hidden messages to their fellow initiates while leaving the rest of us in ignorance.

        The 46 years of which the temple had been in building, after all given it was the pride of the pharisees, and with Herod, both of whom register not in the good books, bewray the number’s significance in Evil connotations, which number is just short of the 47.

        Quotes from the bible are likewise taken in their ceremonies as code messages. An year past today, when the Westgate matter occured in Kenya, the remembrance ceremony for the dead had the special reading from the quote in Kings of Solomons dedication of the temple, whence the temple is accomplished as the house of sacrifice. This in their code the country was being initiated through Westgate as a place of sacrifice to their gods.

        It seems the twin towers had been employed in similar sorcery and manner.

        Cloning seems to be yet only in scifi, although it may yet bu thus.

        Other than for miy clay, other type of clay is greatly beneficial and useful. Else God would not feature as the Potter of us, vessels of clay. Iron on the other hand is essentially known in weaponry and as such as a destroyer. While clay builds up in patience and feebly, iron destroys mightily, and these two cannot work together. Clay for creation, Iron for destruction, one outweghing the other and the imbalance is that creation and destruction will not mix. Especially so when the destroyers far outweigh the creators. Miry clay is as suck again meant as unstable creators, which rather than being a solution serve only as a deception and a deadly snare. Ultimately they both spell great trouble.

        • ” . . . when the destroyers far outweigh the creators.”

          That thought just makes me quiver in my stomach, yet, most of us know how much worse it is going to be before it gets better.

          I am reminded of a quote by Edmund Burke that many take credit for, and it is said in a few different (subtle) ways:

          “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

          An Irishman who considered himself an Englishman, and who supported America’s independence, is probably rolling in his grave.

  3. It’s to bad the bible din’t just read beware of multiculturalism. It is really an attack on culture to weaken, or destroy.

    Back to Marine Corp basic logic. Prepare for the worst and stay prepared. Yes Sir! Don’t call me Sir. i work for a living. Now, get down and give me fifty puke face!

  4. Wow Marianne,
    This was a long way to go to try to prove you idea that Mystery Babylon represents the worlds Muslims.
    Was the bible written only for chemists? Why would God make it so difficult to decipher His word? The bible was written so the average person could understand it. Your explanation is far too complicated to be true.
    And the way I read history, America was build by immigrants. Sure we ruined it for the Natives but I don’t think that’s what you were referring to.
    The toes are still part of the statue – connected in space and time. Each section represents the kingdom that conquered or followed the previous one. That fact doesn’t change at the toes.
    History tell us that what followed from the Roman empire was a break-up into 10 European countries (horns), led by the Vatican (little horn) we know as the Holy Roman Empire. Between 538AD and 558AD, the Vatican destroyed three of these nations (plucked up by the roots) leaving 7 kings to rule Europe.
    The Vatican went on to defile and corrupt the Christian church with a Roman / pagan religion called Mystery Babylon which had its roots in ancient Babylon. When Christ returns (the stone) He must first destroy the Catholic church and many of its harlot daughters before His wedding with the true church (woman in white, clothed in the sun).
    That’s all there is to it. All the other religions of the world have nothing to do with it. Jesus doesn’t need to destroy the U.S. or any other country in order to marry His bride. He only has to clean up His own church first.
    You don’t need to be a rocket scientist or chemist to understand this. You only must know the difference between the true church and an apostate one.

  5. “What kind of people are unstable, or their presence makes the country unstable?”

    When I first read this, I immediately thought of ISIS, or Al Qaeda, or all the mire of offshoots.

    “They” have now beheaded the french hostage. We have poked the bear. They may have been here eventually, but I believe they will be here now sooner than later.

    And with a vengeance.

  6. There is really no indication in the Bible that Rome, both the east and west portions were the meaning of Mystery Babylon. That is because in the ancient times the Isle of Rhodes , Greece was the dividing line of the world being east and west of the Longitude position of Rhodes. Thus the Two Iron Legs is assumed only by western tradition to be Rome or the west, but the real two Iron Legs of an Empire centered in the Middle East, after the Hellenic Age, is the Mohammedan Ascendancy . That means that in the last days the two great pillars or legs ( Imagery of Samson toppling the house of Dagon’s two pillars to destroy the Philistines and himself.) that these two iron pillars come from Islamic Empires, arisen in the Fertile Crescent and the Division of Islam by Sunni Arabia and Shiite Persia or modern day Iran. Thus the two pillars to topple against each other is not the old Roman Empire, but the continuing 1400 year old war for the Caliphate where Arabia and Persia are the main Pillars or Iron Legs , that practice War and Ruin as a monster or beast of Mystery Babylon.
    So the Book of Revelation does not post Rome as the two legged iron beast, but that Rome would be only part of the Hellenic World or Greco Roman World, and that the two Iron Legs of a Monster Empire, would not appear until Islam came, with a False Prophet , and an Anti Christ Spirit and with Two Warring Divisions, Persia and Arabia, right until the final days that this Babylon of the Fertile Crescent built upon the Throne of Nebuchadnezzar would be toppled by the advent of Israel , and then by Israel fighting as a Samson to then toppled the TWO PILLARS OF DAGON ( The Fish God , half fish half man idol of Babylon and Persia)
    So the Book of Revelation is employing imagery from the Book of Judges where the Jews are as Samson , whose revival in the last days is with blindness, they cannot see Messiah ,and they regain just enough strength as did Samson , to achieve the destruction of a major religious empire of Ancient Babylon, DAGON by pushing against two pillars, until they toppled against each other and brought down the whole house of the Philistines, and that also Samson died among them .
    This is the whole meaning that Daniel the Prophet would have suggested by the Idol of Babylon would end up as two iron legs and the feet of TEN TOES or the Ten Oracles of Isaiah against various ten nations surrounding Israel that would be so destroyed, beginning with Damascus and Babylon.
    So to factor who is the Seven Heads, you see Seven Tribes of Israel in the book of Joshua giving Jerusalem across the Jordan to be given by the casting of the lot, to seven tribes or hills or kings such as
    So these Seven Districts for Jerusalem to be politically as a “city of seven hills” or seven kings, etc, is from the Book of Joshua, not from human history.
    Then the Ten Horns of the Beast, that are Oracles of Dooms by Isaiah the Prophet is 1. BABYLON 2. ASSYRIA 3. PHILISTINES 4. MOAB
    5. DAMASCUS 6. CUSH 7. EGYPT 8. ARABIA 9. Jerusalem 10. TYRE
    These lands and kings and histories are not related to Rome or the Western World, but to the Byzantine World, and Persia, Arabia and the entire history of the Mohammedan Ascendancy .
    Any attempt to beguile the reader to give impressions that Rome was the city of seven hills, is Mythological Interpretations and not real HIstory,
    What I have presented is Wisdom confined to the pages of the Bible and not human political theory.
    The Jewish Wars were accented by the Jews dividing the city of Jerusalem into SEVEN DISTRICTS so the rendering of Daniel is not lost on the Jews, they know the answers, but they are not saying.
    The Feet of Miry Clay and Iron , with Ten Toes, is the CHAOTIC VISCERAL IMAGE OF SUCH EVENTS AS ISIS. ISIS is the goddess of BABYLON , the Red Horned Crescent Moon , or as we would say ,the SHE DEVIL .

    • that is a unique perspective 🙂

    • Mystery Babylon:

      And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Revelation 17, version KJ)

      And in her (city of Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. (Revelation 18:24, version KJ)

      There is only 1 city that have killed true believers through history. The Vatican city. First during the emperors, later during the popes.

      • Catholics are true beleivers. They have killed satans protestants and mystery babylon is USA. Many Christians die today in middle east because USA invaded Iraq.

        • I suspect within the Universal Church there are true believes in Jesus. Just as in the Protestant faith. Both share paganism within their ranks.

          The Catholic faith states Mary is Co-Regent with Christ, infants need to be Baptized and the blessed bread and wine turn into the flesh of Jesus. Christmas and Easter are shared pagan Holidays.

          That is just a quick response, as I believe your statement Satan’s protestants is grossly one sided. Now, if we what to discuss the worship of Sin by Islam that is close to outright Old Knob worship.

      • i agree….new york city does not kill prophets and slay christians

  7. 🙂

  8. The Assyrians are the iron, and the Muslims are the clay. Think about it!

  9. John,

    Thanks for your very interesting, informative reply.

    They are twised.

    Blessings to you!
    Psalm 20

  10. Hey Denise,

    This may be the Scripture back up to that Burke quotation.

    “Evil shall slay the wicked, and those who hate the righteous shall be condemned.

    The Lord redeems the soul of His servants, and none of those who trust in Him shall be condemned” (Psalm 34:21-22, NKJV).

    Psalm 20

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  13. Your heart is not right with the LORD. We should love one another, and not call any race parasitic. That is how we know who are HIS people.

  14. Dear Marianne
    I have always stated from the get go on this subject. “Iron Rome was Imperial Rome” and the Catholic Rome church raised up after them as the “”Clay that stuck”” everywhere that Imperial Rome ruled. And it got worse.

    God raised up another “entity” using the same pagan idols and gods of the Babylonians, Greece and Rome and all. Constantine with help replaced them with government help and money and favor and doctrines of the pagan Romans. It maxed out around 4 centuries later. With the same doctrines that Pagan Nations already believed. Like the Worship of Man, and bowing down to Statue’s of men and women, and also Mary Harlotry, Serpent worship, and practice. And yes its still sticking to most Christian denominations that still teach their heresies. Its the truth Marianne.

    Daniels Nations were all pagan religions. Papa Rome went all the way back to Nimrods time with his Wife declaring she was the “Mother of God”. Please remember the “Serpent Seed” was still fresh in their mind in the days of Nimrod etc. Gen. 11. It never lost its sway. They were looking for a savior to same them. But they were looking for a mere man to worship as they did Nimrod a fierce hunter. As you can see by history. The world got their great men to lead them. And all the Nations become beast out of the earth. Man ruling man in governments = Nations. Same today.

    The “Mother of god” message went into the whole world. They split up into 12 nations when “”God came down and confused their languages”” amen. Nimrods wife after he died. Was saying in fact that HE Nimrod was the ‘son of god’ the “Seed of God” that “”was to come. And she “claimed she was a virgin” when in fact “she was a whore and Harlot” in the world of that time. She claimed she gave birth to him and he also was her husband. She was a liar then and also in today’s world Rev. 18. Her husband Nimrod died and yet she still said she had a husband. Look it up in Rev. 18.

    Remember Israel was influenced big time by their pagan Nations they were enslaved to. Even in Moses day. After leaving Egypt they had to live through all the influence’s of the 4 “Beast of Daniel” and after that they never were the same. And when Christ came they could not recognize “Mary the real virgin” had the real “Seed of God” to conquer all the Nations that resisted the Real God of Israel. “”Same today”” You have to understand that the Nations of the world. Are called Beast, a High Mountain, Satans an enemies to God. But HE allowed that to be. When man picked another man to rule over him. He is serving man. NOT GOD. All nations are made up of mere men. Nimrod no doubt learned from Cain how to rule people. He was a killer along with his seed.

    Baal, the deity often spoken of “”as the Lord”” in the Bible, is also seen as a “shining one” of the Old Testament and is called the “Owner”. At that time thee were many “Owners” of “shining ones”, in fact there was one for each village. These were called Governors of men. This is the world that Nimrod himself invented first, then after death. His so called Great Mother and Wife of God supposedly gave seed to the messiah. But it was all false pagan religion of man worship. Remember the Moabite King paid Baal= Balaam to set his Nation free from Israel’s influence. This pagan influence today has taken over “all the world”‘. The world is the “Nations of Clay” that are influenced by their religions of man-made religion. 666 Mans perfect religion. Man over man.

    YET UNDERSTAND. Catholicism which is a entity or Nation itself within a nation. “”With all its same paganism’s YET is mixed with Christ Word””. And that is worse than any other pagan religion and or Nation. The So called Christians of today. Do not know they are taking away from the Word and Adding onto it pagan doctrines of devils. They not interested enough to find out or Study the Bible. They all believe they going to heaven. That is called “easy believism”. Its very very popular in today’s world

    This is the “Clay of Religions” that has taken over all the worlds nations.”
    And they are coming together and soon it will become a law to be different from them.
    Rev. 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall “”take away his part out of the book of life””, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    Nimrod would charge the people a tax for his protection. And it became a religion. Man started to have more faith in “His Nation” than they did God. They want a man like Nimrod to protect them. A Nation with a pagan leader are all called Nimrods, and has Baals prophets come with it. The very first nations of man that Nimrod started Gen. 11. Made God have to come down and scatter it or destroy it.

    The Universal church of the World has a Roman Christ. Thought up by the examples of the Caesars of Rome. And they are the ones that helped out Israel to kill Jesus. Think about it. Of course the CC will blame it ALL on Israel.

    Who was the “”first Christian church”” to charge for indulgences. In other words if you paid enough money to the CC church. The Pope could pray you out of purgatory and make you a saint and live eternally. Do not you see this same thing in most all Christian church’s of today. Begging money. So they can help you get salvation and healed, etc. etc. Its a devils scam.

    Instead of just ONE God , they made Him into 3 gods and added Mary as a intercessor for sinners. Instead of seeking salvation by faith, all you have to do is just believe in One man called the Vicar of Jesus Christ. Today he still carries a stick in his hand with a Cross and a circle on top of it declaring he is the “””REAL SEED OF CHRIST”””” just like Nimrod and or just like Pharaoh did and all the other nations that were created by fallen men. Yet they were “shining ones” to their NATION of religion. Nimrod was a “shining one”.

    BOTTOM LINE – Who is the LARGEST CHRISTIAN Denomination in the whole World. Who can make war with her doctrines of devils and demons. She is everywhere in mostly ever nation in the world. And also doing her best to rule over Islam as well.
    Yet people love to cling to Her and Her harlots of Protestants as well. That have become just like her. Jesus was right in calling them Harlots of the Mother. In Israel’s day – Israel become the mother – Gal.4? Yet God had another one and said she was from ABOVE – not worldly as Israel became. Look at the church today. Its clay not iron. It cannot preach a hard truth message as Jesus did. They cannot love you like Jesus did. They cannot save you like Jesus did or raise you from a dead sinner to a saint like Jesus said He could. A New birth comes with Birth Pains.

    In ages of deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. Most will not receive the truth. They will stick to “their clay teaching out of fear” of the “shining ones” and hate the humble little Jesus of the Bible. Who had to die alone for the world.

    Bro. Tom

  15. Marianne – W e Christians have to look at the Character and Image of Jesus Christ. You would think that most people could just read the 4 Gospels and see it pretty well. But it seems they do not understand it either. Before they start excepting every “shining one ‘ that is popular today. Why would Israel want to join in with the Moabites. Who were basically pagans. They married into them and in the sight of God that was a great, great sin as like in Noahs day. Their self lust for pagan men and women was just like in Noah’s day. That is when God had enough. Baalam did the exact thing Moses did in offering up sacrifices unto God so he knew enough to deceive the people of Israel by his teachings. But Balaam was a self seeking man for his own good. In stead for others. His lust for power blinded his understanding of Gods word when He told him to not do something. Balaam was a self destroying prophet for his lust of money and Power and was Joined with the King of Moab. He swayed thousands and thousands away from the original Gospel or Law of Moses. And Balaam message is still talked about in Rev. 2. So it was not a small thing to God. It was a major set back for Israel. Then Christ came. And in 70 AD it was over for them who could not recognize their own Messiah . They lost out as Balaam did. Paul said “their fall” was from “loving the riches of this world”. Who you reckon is the Richest denomination in all of Christendom. Who is the Brightest or most “shining one” in all of Christendom.

    Question. So what is your real opinion of the “Clay toes”. Remember mankind came from clay. But the New Creation comes from the Spirit. Always. O.T and N.T.

    Bro. tom

  16. Where did the word ‘Vatican’ come from –

    Vulcan – sounding like Votan and Wotan – the Roman god of fire, comes from the Babylonian “Can” for serpent and “Vul” for fire, showing an etymological link across thousands of miles and meaning therefore that “”Vulcan is the shining serpent.””
    Indeed even the very center of the Christian world, the Vatican, comes from the words “vatis” for ‘prophet’ and “can” for ‘serpent’, making the Vatican a place of serpent prophecy.
    “can” is a mayan language.

    The term used often in the Old Testament (and other texts outside of it as in the Muslim Allah=Elah) for the Lord. This is an incorrect usage, as the term is plural and means “Shining ones”. —-im is plural
    Originally a group of Respected humans
    Also a term for the Heavenly host —- the “Stars” of heavens.

    We can see this plurality in the text from Genesis 1:26: ‘And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. ‘ And again in Genesis 6:2 ‘The sons of god saw the daughters of men that they wee fair…This term ‘sons of god’- is literally ‘sons of gods’= plural and come from ben ha-elohim, meaning ‘sons of the shining ones’

    The term in fact seems to have spread around the globe with man in his very language.
    : The Sumerian EL means simply – bright or shining
    : The Old Irish Aillil means – shining
    : Old Cornish EL means – shining
    : Elf means – shining — hence Elves as tall/mysterious angelic beings
    : Inca llla is bright or to – shine.
    : Babylonian Ellu -is to shine

    Baal, the deity ofter spoken of as the “Lord” in the Bible, is also seen as a “shining one” in the Old Testament and is called the Owner. At that time there were many ‘Owners” or ‘shining ones. In fact there was one for each village. These are the governors of men.

    I just thought this was a short but good study of history how words mean so much. From the beginning of time

    Bro Tom

    • maybe this plural elohim – shining ones – is one reason people think the aliens in the shiny UFOS created us.

      but god shines

      angels shine

      and UFOs shine

  17. And add one more. satan shines – When we die we going to be a shining one from God or satan. Thats all I know. Remember Satan has a rapture as well. St. Jh. 10:10-12 – Catcheth away and he has a coming all the time Just like Jesus has.

  18. Hey Marianne — I wont bother you for awhile how’s that. bye byeeeeeee

  19. The mire clay will be the Hybrids mingling with humans. They are the seed of Satan. A big lie about them arriving might bring global social government.

    I think the only protection from this event is accepting Jesus.

  20. Amen!

    Rev. 12:11

  21. This money is our tax dollars. Amazing what we are supporting!

    It’s easy to dismiss individual programs that benefit until they’re put together and this picture emerges. Someone did a lot of research to put together all of this data. Often these programs are buried within other programs, making them difficult to find. The only reason our borders have not been closed is politics.
    A Real MEye Opener

    WHY is the USA BANKRUPT?

    Do you think the war in Iraq was costing us too much each year?
    Read this: We have been hammered with the propaganda that it was the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.

    I hope the following reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I also have included the URL’s for verification of all the following facts.

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
    Verify at: Home | Federation for American Immigration Reform

    Home | Federation for American Immigration Reform
    New Jersey Legislators Once More Fight to Give Financial Aid to Illegal Aliens New Jersey legislators held a press conference announcing their intention to reintrod…

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    2. $22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
    Verify at:

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
    Verify at:

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

    Verify at:…0.HTML

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
    Verify at

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
    Verify at:

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
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    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
    Verify at:

    9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
    Verify at:

    13. In 2006, Illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.
    Verify at:http://www/

    14. The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes committed by Illegal Immigrants in the United States.

    Verify at:

    The total cost is a whopping

    Are we THAT Stupid?


    If this doesn’t bother you, then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you forward it to every legal resident in the United States.

  22. muslim invaders push people out of homes

  23. swedes also pushed out

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