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If I suddenly stop posting Bible studies, or I do not respond to an email, I might be “gone” from this earth.

I am retirement age, so I could just die naturally. As dangerous as the world is getting, we will have another war, and I could get killed in this too.

Or,  I could be “raptured” off this earth, as suggested by some passages in the Bible.

In this event, believers in Jesus who profess Him as Savior, will be taken to heaven before the terrible time of the Wrath of God.  If you are reading this during the Wrath period, know that this work has been left behind for you to read, so you can know who Jesus really was, and is.  Read as much as you can, because your future in eternity depends upon it.

For those that need extra confidentiality, or may not have a computer to use on a regular basis, I can also be contacted by phone, or regular mail (send email to above address and I will give my information to you).

I check caller IDs on all incoming calls,  and will not answer if I do not recognize the number.    This is to avoid telephone solicitors.  I have an answering machine that will come on, and you can leave a message.  If I am there, I will pick up.  If not, I can call you back.

398 Responses to “Contact Marianne”

  1. I have sent you an invitation to post at SPM Library if you choose to do so. I would like your focus on the Jezebel Spirit and no more than one post per week. If you choose to accept also email me at
    Dave Norris
    Spiritual Pathways Ministries

  2. Hi marianne, the lions and the bride file is corrupted according to pdf ! this was tested at 1.50pm london, uk time….not sure of your time zone. Derek

  3. Thank you for telling me this. I have fixed this pdf file several (5-6) times. I am starting to think the devil is doing it. I will repost it and if you want, I can email you a pdf file directly.

  4. Dear Marianne, please increase the font size on your right hand side bar. I can hardly see anything and it hurts my eyes. Going on the 80- 20 rule this means someone else out there has the same problem. It seems I am going to visit your site frequently as our interests coincide in several areas. Thank you for the site


  5. trying…Don’t know how yet…cannot find where I change this setting.

    • If you are a real person please get a message to the king of kings of jerusalem prayer team for real miracles not from jezebel. not ready to be buried yet expected to see the lion of Judah. Human not a fallen. Help antichrist won’t listen.

  6. My former Christian husband left me for a practicing aboriginal traditionalist who has been firing a barrage of witchcraft attacks upon me and our children for almost 3 years. But God mercifully thwarted each escalated attack conveyed by insects, owls, a pitbull, deer, accident, fire, ice, and lately a horrific violent incident involving 3 deaths by armed gunmen and our narrow escape. I did have one minute to lead 2 dying victims to Christ before they died. The Holy Spirit told me he would be set free and I hope it will be real soon, not to reconcile for he now has a son with that witch but to at least be a father for his sons who are struggling with his betrayal and treachery. Please contact me.

  7. Hi, Mrianne~
    I was unable to download a copy of the Lion & the bride, but would greatly appreciate it if you’ld send me a copy (if it’s no longer corrupted, of course!)
    Sarah, I’m praying for you, your children, & their dad~
    In Christ,

  8. Hi Marianne,
    I wonder what does the bible say about Muslim’s last and final prophet ie: Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. ?

  9. Hi Sy,

    I know Muslims feel otherwise, but the Bible does not mention Muhammad. Muhammad was unique to the Muslims, just like Buddha was unique to his people, and other leaders were unique to their own people. This was a Jewish nation, and all the prophets called to this nation were all Jewish.

    The prophet referred to by Moses was Jesus, who did walk in the role of a prophet, but was much more. Jesus was “one of the brethren” and came from the tribe of Judah.

    Regarding “another comforter,” promised by Jesus, he told them to wait in Jerusalem for this…..the Holy Spirit was the comforter he was referring to, and the Spirit came down upon the disciples 50 days later….so the comforter had to come within their lifetimes, if they were to wait for Him before they could minister.

    God bless you

  10. Dear Marianne,

    I have a new blog I think you might find interesting, if you have the time, take a look and let me know what you think. The web address is, it is part of the Google engine, I would appreciate your critic. Thank you my friend, Shalom

  11. dear marianne, i wanted to ask you if you have hard of monitoring evil spirits. it says our evil relative uses the dead relative spirits to attack us and they monitor use whereever we are to update her so that she curses us or go for rituals/witchcraft to stop anything good from happenning. i did read about jezebel and she is like her character wise. sometimes i see her kids in my dreams watching me…

  12. Hi Dine,

    Anything bothering you is a demon, not a dead relative. Those who have departed from this earth are either in heaven or hell.

    Evil spirits do communicate with each others. THere could be one associated with you that communicates with another demon associated with your relative. These are called familiar spirits, and they may impersonate family members or friends. They know you and relay information about you to other spirits.

    What you need to do is pray out loud, so the demons can hear you:

    1. rebuke, and bind the power of, the demon in Jesus name, and cover yourself with the blood of Jesus.
    2. Speak blessings over yourself
    3. get prayer support from others you trust.
    4. communicate your awareness of the demon to your evil relative, and tell them you are reversing the curse they are sending onto them, so they will not get the curse, and not you.
    5. let your evil relative know that you have spiritual support ( at least me, you are on my prayer list) and that the combined forces will destroy what she/he is doing, and make her life miserable.
    6. tell the evil relative they need to repent of their wickedness in Jesus name, or they will go to hell for what they are doing.

    Jezebel spirits only respect and fear direct aggression. They hope you will just be quiet and suffer. You need to be very strong, and aggressive with the relative.


  13. what about the current Yellowstone Earthquake Swarm? Skies will darken,,, sun . . . moon . . . it will rain dust . . . .millions will die famine, fire, America not in the Bible,,, Oh yeah Wiki Pedia is mostly crap – Founder is an atheist. . . and another thing the main Google dude campaigned with Obama – so you think google searches aren’t a little skewed . . . people complain about it all the time … hmmmm . . . and you are brave Marianne. (BTW – My teenage daughter is a “Marianne” and has a cat)

    AND isn’t it true that Demons spend more time and effort and work harder on the good people… ?

  14. Hi Mother,

    I feel there will eventually be a large earthquake in the Nevada-Utah area that is described there. The New Madrid fault is there and has been predicted to erupt soon.

    Also, I had posted something about 10 months regarding the Bejing olympics…there were several predictions based on a vision an atheist had who was scared and contacted me. Seeing he was genuine, I posted most of what he said.

    What I did not post was that if he did not move from the school where he was, he would die. He was in Utah. Researching it out, the only physical threat there is the geological fault, making it an earthquake zone there. Since his college is only 4 years, if this was true, something would happen before he would be able to graduate. But I do not know what year he was in. If he was a sophomore or junior, it would mean he had less time.

    So far, things he was told by the vision have been coming true. You can see the original post here.

    Soon, we will wonder in this country where it will be safe to live. I live in a terrorist target site. Others live in a natural disaster zone. May we all be close to God in these last hours.


  15. Thank you for your reply. I was referring to the CURRENT earthquake swarm in Yellowstone that is in the news. If the caldera blew it would certainly take the US out of the picture.

    I like your website.

    Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

    Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

  16. Hi Mother,

    Thank you for the kind words.

    I looked up the swarm when I got your message. The new Madrid fault is there. So yes, it could erupt at any moment, and these early quakes may be a warning to evacuate.

    Going west would not help. Going east might, if the effects did not reach that far. But then, we in the east have more terror sites than out west, so it is a mess.


  17. You can write to me anytime Marianne and I am a jewish believer. I’m not perfect but I always have to learn the hardway in the mistakes I made. What I did learn is that Christians cannot have friendship with the world. Believe me you’ll either get disciplined by God if your a Christian trying to be friends with the world or your going to get burned by the world.

  18. Hi Barry,

    Thank you. In the past 5 years, I have found my way into my little ark, to ride out the flood that is pouring in. Being part of the world means dying with the world. My website is my ark, and I get to meet all the others that end up on the boat, looking for shelter also. 🙂


  19. Hello Marianne

    I would have preferred to leave this message as an e-mail. Unfortunately i do not have a Yahoo account..

    I have come back here to apologize to you…I had no right to come on your blog and deride you over a matter. The post “compromise the falling away”.Sorry if that is not the correct wording of the post…Anyway,i will have no peace until i make peace with you first..Although that is no reason for you to accept my apology…The reason that i ask you to do so:is simply because it is your blog and you have the right to post whatever you want on it…And i had a choice not to comment and could have moved on..I think you may remember the comments between us…In case you do not.It was related to not allowing Gays into the church,before they repent of their sin.

    Just to clarify something i am neither gay or lesbian…I am an African American woman,who is heterosexual…I simply believe that everyone should be given equal chance to come in if they are seeking Christ…And how would anyone know wether or not that person had repented of his or her sin…I do understand an open profession of faith would be an indication.However,unless someone was willing to ask or were just looking/observing to see if there was something different in that person that would prove this to them…The that in itself would be,,,Well i think you get my point.Either way i thought,who are we to judge this.Marianne i purposely avoided letting on to you the fact that i was an AA… Maybe that in itself was not fair to you.Since i could not help at the time,remembering and expressing,how i felt about my people according to the flesh,being kept out of churches because of the color of their/our skin and by bible believing Christians,not so very long ago…As for the charge of Anti-Semitism,i will just say,that God knows how i feel about the well being of the souls of all the Jewish people including the Israelis…Only that i do not and will not blindly support the secular State of Israel,in all that she does…For me this is not loving them with a true heart…

    Peace Marianne

    Marianne,so that this matter is not brought up again or re-hashed or continued,i only ask that you accept my apology…

    • HI YLG,

      Everything is ok with me. I do not expect everyone to think like me. I just try to explain the best I can why I happen to believe what I do. I apologize too if it seemed I would be mean to gays. I would not. But they do have a sin, and I just have to be realistic. If the sin was something else, then my thoughts would also be the same. I would not ask anything of anyone that would not be required of me also.

      The post you mentioned was not meant to target gays, although I used them as an example. I do not have posts that are intended to condemn anyone. The point was just most gays will not repent. If you look at their websites, you will see this.

      Much of this attitude is not their fault, because they have been recruited, and programmed, by friends and negative leaders to believe what they do is ok. So they see no reason to repent. They have whole churches now, just for gays, because the leadership is in sin, and refuses to repent themselves. They then set a bad example. The leadership, in these cases, are blind guides, and are only hurting their members.

      This makes repentance difficult. I would still encourage them to repent, but if they don’t, then they cannot be saved until they do. What can I do? I did not make God’s rules. I support what God stands for, and God only wants the best for all of us. I want to see all go well for everyone.

      The point is that we should encourage all who are sincere about Christ to repent, as we have also. We are not asking anyone to do anything we have not done ourselves.

      There is a difference between discrimination – like what you experienced – and just asking people to obey God. I am so sorry that you were hurt that way. Any form of shunning or discrimination is unloving, and ungodly. You have my love and respect.

  20. Why you are saying you will be gone from this earth? You made me feel really upset, you know that? I don’t answer my telephone machine too much at all because I’m afraid of stranger. I only answer to familiar numbers. I’m surprised you do too, but I don’t know if we can communicate in the phone…Anyway I feel that you are an expert in psychology, I sense that.

  21. I tried to get you all the nine parts to you from God on Trail but you’ll have to go to youtube to watch all of the rest.

  22. Marianne, Please also write something on exposing Hinduism, the world’s only pagan religion that killed the apostle St Thomas in India. Hindu soldiers have killed more than 300,000 Naga (mongloian tribesmen who live in north eastern India of nagaland who are mostly Christian), the world has not noticed this, many hundreds of Christians have been burnt alive, and killed for not worshiping pagan gods, Indian Hindu businessmen, executives etc are creeping into the American corporate sector and bringing their gods and goddesses with it, some of them similiar to Baal. This is the world’s third largest religion, it says it is peaceful but its full of violence and hate inside the country. 1 billion people worship different gods and goddesses, they have chosen to reject Jesus , when thomas the apostle came to preach there in ad 52 and they killed him in ad74, you can do research on this.

    Hindus kill many muslims and Christians in india every year, or any monthotestic faith or got prophets in it such as Christianity or Islam is considered enemy of Hindus. India and it’s economy is growing so is its military might. It pretends to be a friend but it isn’t

    Hinduism’s tentacles are spreading fast in formn of new age and other forms of witchcraft and destroying lives. Its a violent and bloodthirsty religion, that is rising like a king cobra from behind as the west is too bogged down dealing with Islam.

    India is also attempting to destablize pakistan purposly, so that it knows its nukes can fall at the hands of dangerous people. Hindu fundamentalists have also now slowly crept into ISrael trying to win sympathy pitting muslims as common enemy, but this is dangerous. Their ancient links with nazism is also well known.

    the blood of many pastors, christians and even the 300,000 Naga tribals who died at hands of India is crying out to God.

    This nation is getting fiercly powerful.

    • Hello Crossing nations

      I can try to look into this, and add it to my list of things to work on. I would need true documents and news sources. I am aware that Christians are receiving persecution in Orissa.

  23. You are crazy. God is a mythical person who was just an answer to unexplained things. Now, we have science. We were a freak of nature at first, then evolved int our current state. How do you know God is a male? Or even has a human appearance. Prove to me there is a God, then, and only then, will i even give the slightest thought as to believing in him. Where was your “God durring the Virginia Tech Massacre? Or how about those two boys who believed in God, but still killed many people and themselves during the Columbine High School massacre? Or anny of the Massacre victims? Where was their God? Would yours have saved any of them? Prove God. Prove to me he exists in ANY WAY, and i will finally start giving a damn about him

  24. Hi
    Where are you from and currently residing?

  25. If I suddenly stop posting Bible studies, or I do not respond to an email, I might be “gone” from this earth.


  26. Hi Marianne,

    i would like to hear your opinion on these ideas.
    i have not done any study. These are just my beliefs that came to me.

    – man were giants before – but they got smaller – they had sons with angels yes? they had places like stonehenge which would be just like them to place these huge rocks to commemorate a place..?
    – the center of earth is hell..?
    – the water level before noah’s flood was waaay lower ?
    – we had the time of the Father, and of the Son, and we are now in the time of the Holy Spirit? and add to this, did we live in all 3 times?

    I am assured of your polite reply from reading your previous responses
    Thanks a lot.

    • Hi Stuffy dream

      cute name.

      I am not sure if man were created as giants or not. We are not given any measurements to begin with.

      We are told that there were giants in the earth before the days of Noah, who were the result of human women mating with the “sons of God,” which were fallen angels.

      There is some speculation however, that the oxygen content in the garden of Eden was so high and so pure, that everything grew bigger there, from flowers to animals. So maybe man was bigger, like everything else? But then he was already created in mature form, and would not continue to grow, like other things did.

      When he left the garden, he no longer had this great high oxygen atmosphere, and human offspring would be the size we see today…maybe…..

      then center of earth is hell, from what I gather from scriptures, and from personal testimonies of people who had near death experiences, and were given a 2nd chance

      I think you are right about the water level. There is some evidence, I am told, that most water was from underground springs rather than large oceans and rivers. When the earth’s crust burst before the flood, it released high pressure water onto the surface of the earth creating large bodies of water. At this time, the land masses also broke up into the patterns we see today. If you look in google earth ( free program) you can see the “split” in the middle of the Atlantic, which travels to the Indian Ocean, and also the ridge in the Pacific Ocean.

      I think that is a very astute observation about the times of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. For 2000 years each, each one has a chance to reveal Himself to mankind in his unique way. It is up to us to summarize in our minds and spirits what these revelations are, and appreciate what we are given from each one. However, all are spiritually present all the time. 🙂

  27. Marianne, please forward this to all your friends and people, We plead your prayers and for our story to be told to the world. Please spread the truth of our suffering, to the world, we cry to you.


    the MEDIA OF United States, newspapers, TV organizations,

    To the People of United States

    To the Government of United States

    To all american , public, media and government , this is a video footage leaked on to the internet, it shows the TERRIFYING PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS in India, PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS, AND MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS PLEASE HELP THESE PEOPLE.

    The wives and children of these men are pleading to the international community and to the american media for help. Please tell our story to the world.

  28. DEar Marianne,
    how thoughtful of you. thanks. i know saying it is not enough.
    Btw,u have an idea when the” end of days ” will be?

    God Bless You,

  29. She predicted the 9/11 attack one year before it happened. Now, she is predicting a civil war in the US. She also predicted that a huge bomb would be dropped in America…and you know what follows next.. ‘really scares me marianne.

    • Hi Miranda

      There have been others, including me, who have predicted the same thing. American has turned its back on God, and now we will be punished. With the current President, America has no hope at all. The Christians need to pray and hope for Jesus to come soon.

  30. Marianne the e-mails that are going back in forth regarding being on fire for God are making me alittle uncomfortable. I feel were going back and forth arguing about nothing so lets call a truce. Because I stated what happened and will leave it at that. Take care.

  31. and now South Korea is threatening to erase USA off the map. Jeezzz!!! What is happening Marianne?

  32. jeezzz marianne!! you really are giving me sleepless nights.


  33. Go to google earth and look to the north of the continent and you will see a large UFO
    It covers a very large area.

    • I do not see anything. Give me coordinates.

      locate it on google, then save the file..and send it to me.

      • Okay it is still there …
        It is over the entire arctic ….. has the form of some kind of triangle …
        The one point keeps moving direction …….from west to east.

  34. where is that abigail? What do you mean UFO?

  35. It is still there … amazingly huge!
    Maybe that explains some of the weather problems experienced here

  36. Do you see it???????

  37. yup..i see it..pentagon shaped..but it doesn’t suggests a UFO for me.


  38. Hurry hury !!!!! volcanos everwhere earthquakes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  39. The earth is falling apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • I am sorry for what I wrote above…
      I have had quite an experience and I’ve emailed you
      with photos of why I panicked…
      And the explanation.
      Now I feel like a fool.
      But I had no idea …
      And it just about gave me a heart attack.

  40. hey marianne, will u send me that link re: anti christ article please..i think i can’t find it…did they delete the link?

  41. Hi Marianne ,
    After the episode of last night,
    I thought a little humor is appropriate now that my heart rate has returned to normal.

    Here is something for fun.

  42. Marianne, its funny how you deleted all my comments, im sure you remember me, dont you?

    • hi Afsar

      of course, I remember you. You are one of my favorite Muslim visitors.

      I have not deleted any of your comments.

      I checked the spam folder, and I did not see anything.

      Sometimes if you give a link, the spam function puts it in the spam folder, and then I have to dig it out.

      I have about 40 comments from you, but they are on different pages.

      on the side menu, look for
      Hamas in prophecy
      2014-2015 countdown to Mahdi
      the 4th Beast of Daniel
      you cannot have both Muhammed and Jesus
      Bible predicts final fate of Gaza
      Artificial rain
      the Iraq-russia-syria….
      2008 will sexual desire drive the election
      obama and the spaceship

      That is some of the pages….look there…..

  43. Hi Marianne,
    I’ve looked at this today and it does remind me of what I saw on google earth the evening i thought for sure the earth was falling apart.
    The only difference today is that I am no longer concerned.
    Yet look at all those active volcanoes and earthquakes.
    Wonder if the core of the earth is heating up!
    Any ways marianne… it is worth a look at this.

  44. hi marianne,
    I feel … I know … the 23th august is just around the corner and I do expect something
    of significance to occur.
    Just a reminder.

    • hi ABigail

      Check the stability and security of your local bank. In America, a FDIC report will come out about failing banks. Here, in USA, we can go to this site…..check in your area for where to determine if your bank is secure…. I am not sure what the site would be for where you live… may have to ask. I found my bank had a D- rating…very poor, so I switched to a different bank.

      go to Portfolios and Tools

      then to Banks and Thrifts

      then click button to “search for a rating”

      or try direct:

      • Thanks marianne,
        although banks shutting down is worthy of attention …
        sunday, this sunday is important for something else…
        I think the Lord will ‘do’ something unexpected …
        but I don’t know what.
        My spirit is agitated at the thought …

        • hi abigail

          you might be right…we will find out soon….I just took about 75% of my money and transferred it elsewhere…but that is just the money part.

          it does not seem to be the weather….the weather is quiet….

  45. * whispering * Hi you guys, I tried to check on the bank I seek at that link you gave me.. Where I live and all, shows no records nor show any ratings… How weird eh ?

    • hi Tamera

      The list only shows the banks that have problems….there will be an updated list after the 25th. If your bank is not on the trouble list, then hopefully, you are ok.

  46. abigail and tamera

    This is the first day of Elul. It is the one month of repentance leading up to Yom Kippur on Sept 28 (Tishrei 10) ….

    it is the time to get ourselves in line with God’s will so that when the trumpet sounds on Rosh Hashannah, we will begin the 10 days of Awe before Yom Kippur. This opens the gates of heaven for our prayers. Our repentance culminates on that Yom Kippur, and God wipes away our sins, and makes us pure before HIM. Our prayers have been answered.

  47. Hi, I have sent a message to your yahoo mailbox with a few questions. Hope you respond soon. Thanks, Talaso

  48. I need to talk to you about something Marianne
    Please reply to my email address immediately
    (It is regarding Rosh Hashannah, something happened to me on that night, it is really urgent)

  49. Marianne ….Try to assess this bit of news as soon as you can.

  50. Marianne, try to view this info.

  51. They are speaking about you Marianne on the doves website.

    • cute. she wrote to me. there is a link to me somewhere on the site, but she said she did not click on it, as she was in a different section. I guess she got raptured over to my page. funny.

      • Some will respond to her letter I am sure. Stay tuned to see what the response will be. 🙂
        I also think of december 21 to be significant.
        So much is happening so quickly … it makes my head spin.
        Micah chapter 4

  52. Marianne,
    Just fyi — yahoo and gmail emails are not so secure anymore. Please convert to — they have free and also emails that have small fee but encryped for safety of yourself and your followers.

  53. Does anyone think it’s kind of odd that Oprah is shutting her show down in 2011 just one year before the Mayan predictions that the world will end? I think she knows something and is going to be one of those people who buy the billion dollar seat like in the movie 2012. Does anyone even notice how odd it is that she is doing this or is it just me????

  54. Maryanne, I really like your site. I know how to fight the workers of voodoo, to some degree. The word of GOD first and foremost, but there are other things you can do. So I would like to post some help to the people out there that are being attacked as am I for 5 years now. I know that some say it’s spiritual and no matter where you are it will still affect you. But I can tell you from experience that the further away you are of the houngan or mambo that is doing the work on you the less you will feel their attacks and maybe not even at all. I am talking like 2500 miles away. Not one state away or anything like that. Another way they tap into you is through your computer (World wide web) they can actually come in through your computer. Through TV now that it all went digital too. How funny that the government got involved in that one… Move from the home you lived in when the attacks started, get rid of all items related to the sorcery being done. Also helps is if you stop interacting with the same people you used to when the attacks were taking place. They can be used as transporters of those spirits that are used by the sorceror.. Kind of like bad guys in the move The Matrix – Able to enter peoples bodies at any given point to find you….. Only we can’t see them. I on the other hand have an awful gift of feeling them. I can feel when they are in my room, I can also see evil within people and I pray daily and it still is not enough. We have to pray during the times that they pray which is at night. They come into peoples heads when you sleep and hide in their altar rooms like cowards burning candles and do everything in secret thinking GOD does not see them. I truly believe that the hurricanes in Haiti(Sounds like Hades doesn’t it?) and New Orleans were direct from GOD punishing these disgusting practices that take away from our lives. I truly do believe that they have to have their altar rooms burned down and they do need to die for them to leave you alone. Unfortunately, Christians now days no longer burn witches anymore, but now I understand why they did long ago. It was and still is the only way. Sorry if this is too harsh, but I am kept awake by these disgusting Christ Haters who in their ceremonies place a cross with Christ hanging there to symbolize that he never rose…..I Hate them with all that is within me and I want nothing more than to stop them. I ask for your prayers for me daily and that GOD blesses me in my fight against them.

    • hi Mary

      I will put you on my prayer list. Plead the blood of Jesus over you each day. Reject all curses in Jesus name. Reverse the curses in Jesus name.

    • Hi Mary,

      I think I know what you are talking about.

      I have been attacked by sorcerers for last two years.

      Sorcerers have long infiltrated radio, television and internet…thus topic is never seriously discussed. ‘Being John Malcovic’ is as far as hollywood can expose witchcraft, because of the tyranny of the fallen spirits. They communicate among themselves via astral projection, without ever having to be in physical contact. All decisions are made on astral level – like political agenda, new trends or which next victim they will chose to sacrifice – recent hollywood deaths are good example…

      What is not recognized, however, is that sorcery needs an engine, and those who worship tyrant would never achieve their capabilities of Mind Control and witchcraft without psychedelics, such as mescaline, psylocybe and especially LSD, which are powerful tools of sorcery!

      Check this link, hopefully it will enlighten you, it certainly enlightened me:

  55. hi marianne,

    it s only now that i got online my friend..’ wishing you a happy x’mas and a prosperous new year.



  56. Orpah and now I heard Tyra is planning to leave her show too after 4 more seasons of her shows. That is what I have learned yesterday in news. Just thought I would add to that.. Yes, I see strange things.. but even more stranger if people do not notice that family against family, friend against friend, child against parents, parents against children… to be killed… and I heard abousately NOTHING good news for months now that tell enough. 🙂
    Blessings.. I am nodding my head in sleep. LOL.. night.

    • hi Tamera

      Well, it was all predicted in the bible. So to see the negative things come true, means the positive things will come true as well. Seeing the negative come true first will make us appreciate the positive more when it happens.

  57. Hi Marianne, I am christian born again 20 years ago, I am 56….I been married for 33 years, I run ayae from home, becaouse verbal emotional abuse….thats what everybody says….I am already 4 years separated, actually my exhusband divorce me 1 year ago, ending married with the soupouse marriege counsaler, the thing is that I am acting like that ugle spirit thar I can really even mentioned right now, I am still sufering the abuse, the loneliness, sadness, depresion, every ugly things. I love go church, is my life, my behavior is not doing very weel. There es times when I exploted, there is times when I am very peaceful, the difeerence is that I am very agressive, never happen before, I keep my passive for 33 years very well, now I feel hopelees. I need to be with people a lot, I love my womens bible studiys, that brings certain stability in my life, weel I dont know what is my really quiestion, I am confused, not really, the thing is that I know I need help, it waswnt easy for me ask for help, especially on males. I have a wonderful pastor, the only thing I dont like is that his wife is not very involve at all in the ministrie, and I dont like that,,,,do you kinow why?…..I have a big fight with another young women in my church, she really act like that ugly spirit, sorry for my Inglish is not my main language. Anyway help me…..

  58. Hi Patricia,

    I do not know why your pastor’s wife is not involved, but ask to speak to her. Make an appointment.

    You are suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. You need to first see a doctor to get medical help to stabilize yourself, then you need to wean off the medicine in a short while so that you do not become addicted to it.

    The marriage counselor and the young woman in the church are both Jezebel spirits. They are there to be selfish and take away from people. They are evil.

    What was the “credentials” of the marriage counselor? She needs to be reported to the authorities for unethical conduct. The purpose of counseling is to save the marriage, not destroy it. You might be able to sue her.

    I just put you on my prayer list.

  59. In sintesis, with all these situations that I still have in my life do you think I am ready to keep leading a group, I know there is times when is my flesh that speak when I am teaching, I know that I put a wall telling people, ey… you think I am gone let you abuse me after I had to leave my husbund becaouse he abuse me, no way jose, your are not gone abuse me, my daoughter told me that now I am acting mean that never before, she is worry. I know I am in defensive situation…..there is times when I act like that, so, I am worry what to teach others, if I see or hear abuse in front of me, especially couples my blood raise up, right now I can smell these situations, I cans see everything, not before, well the thing is that I am a little scare with myself, I think I dont trust myself anymore, is sad, these emotions are trying to control me, anyway I already share with you and you give me some advices, but the new question was about the call that I inow I have, to teach the word of The Lord…..

    • hi patricia

      You do not have to teach if you feel you are not ready. If it makes you uncomfortable, suggest that you start as an assistant teacher, and just help as needed.

      Teaching should not expose you to abuse. Maybe you need to have a private talk with the pastor and his wife about your past, so you can ask them to pray for you.

  60. Marianne, I am learning more and more about Jezebel Spirit, and is scare situation,, every place that we go seems to be a lot of these spirits. Sometimes I feel not to go anywhere anymore, like church too. I see some couples acting like Jezebel and ahab, spirits. One of my bible studys is with a lot old people, some are couples, and, I see those spirits, some womens are very strong, and husbands, weaks. Anorthers are Mens very strongs and women very weak, of course I feel sorry, I told you that I was the rescue one in my family, so I want to rescue these people too. I really feel sorry, I want to tell these womens or men, dont live that kind of live, you dont deserve it. Te sad part is that they are really old, they are mental, emocional and phisicall sick. Well Marianne, must be some help, especiallly in church, I respect old people, but sometimes they get on my nerves. I know the bible said, we need to confront them like parents, buy I notice some of them are abusing their positions too. Do you think is right when I see them fighting in the bible class, to let them know that is wrong behavior scream each other?

    • Hi Patricia

      You can show them respect, but they need to behave like Christians and not fight.

      Ask your pastor to read about Jezebel spirits and give a teaching on it. Maybe they will recognize their own behavior as wrong.

  61. Hi, Marianne… I need your help 😦 Because I lost the link to member of heavenawaits link lol.. I do not want anyone to consider me ingorance or rude for not answering.. I am trying but link seems to disappear from my favorite place… So, will you please provide so I can add it once more ? 🙂 Thank you and blessings.

  62. Yes lol.. thank you very much, Marianne.

  63. Hi Marianne., do you know some literature that can help me to heal the victim attitude? Sufering for many years the verbal and emotinal abuse., let me with these behavior, I know I was a victim of course, but the thing is that sometimes I dont even know I star to act victim. I live with my daoughter, she told me that she notices my all family suffer these behavior, my brothers, sisters nephews, etc. Is true, sometimes bother me because I feel my daoughter thinks she is perfect becaouse she grew in these country and their oportunities was diferent that my country. I know everybody can be a victim, just complaining for some situation… are a victim already. Like right know I am complaining so I am acting victim, anyway, more important right know for me is…how god see these situation, and how can He help me to heal.

    • hi patricia

      The way to heal is to trust God, find a good friend to talk to, and be patient. Sometimes, it takes years to heal. But you will be ok.

  64. There seems to be a lot of resignations in your country, lately.
    CEO and police chiefs?
    Hope all is well with you and your family.
    What’s going on?

  65. Quickly …
    I hope this helps …
    Seems like everyone is leaving dodge 🙂

  66. It’s raining boulders now in Haiti ??
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  67. If you hear people say that jesus is evangelizing muslims..does this go against scripture that says..if people say jesus is over there or over hear do not listen (paraphrase) i believe it is matthew..what is your opinion…is this a false prophet?

    • Hi Brigit

      I think in those cases that are false, it is because someone wants you to come and look at the Jesus they see, and follow that false Jesus.

      In the case of visions by Muslims,it might be a little different. The cases I know about led to a conversion to Christianity, and salvation.

      The test is in the fruit.

      If Jesus has appeared to a nonbeliever to get him saved, then the person will act more positive and want to follow Jesus and the Bible.

      If they are believing in some deception, then the person will acted deluded about Christianity, will not get saved, and will believe lies, instead of the bible.

  68. Hi Marianne

    Without going through all your articles (to see whether or not you posted something similar of relevance) I thought I would post this link to you. Have you seen it and what do you think of it?


    • hi Jill

      I have seen those articles before. They are a fascinating confirmation to what Jesus predicted. All the more reason for unbelievers to believe in Him.

  69. Marianne,I’ve read most of your site and agree with alot of the things you say.Some I disagree with,but hey,I don’t think we will know what some of the things in the Bible mean until we meet the Lord face to face,and ask him the meaning.What I’m writing about is the 2 olive tree in revelation,what is your thoughts on them? One more thing,can you make the writing a little bigger,my old eyes aint what they used to be.

    • hi MW

      Thank you for your kind words. No, I am not an expert, but just give opinions as I see the evidence come in…then if new evidence comes in, I might change the viewpoint some.

      I will have to think about the 2 olive trees more, but I can tell you my first impression……maybe this will make a good post.

      I am first reminded of the passage of the wild olive branch and the “natural” olive branch, where the natural one was grafted in….that the wild one represented the messianic jews, and the natural one represented the gentile christians.

      Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

      Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?

      These 2 olive trees are also mentioned in Zechariah.

      Zec 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What [are] these two olive trees upon the right [side] of the candlestick and upon the left [side] thereof?

      Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What [be these] two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden [oil] out of themselves?

      There, it is explained that the 2 trees are Joshua and the king, Zerubabel. This may be literal or symbolic.

      I have had larger print on pages before, and one person complained that the print was too big. So I made it one size smaller.

      I have a suggestion for you. Open a blank word document, and copy and paste the post from the site into the document.

      Then go to edit, select all, and change the font to something you can read.

  70. Hi Marianne
    I need help…
    I had a dream that my girlfriend told me that I have to become a Christian. I don’t know who the girl was and I don’t know or didn’t see what she looked like, but I knew she was my girlfriend in the dream.
    The first night I took little notice of it, then the following day there was something really paining me emotionally and at first I thought it was because I dreamed about having a girlfriend and I am getting lonely. All I was thinking about for the next three to four days was about the girl I dreamed about.
    Then I thought to myself, maybe I had this particular dream because God is showing me I need to become a Christian?
    The minute I had this thought, it felt like there was a huge problem lifted from my life, I felt peaceful for 2-3 mins, I can’t describe what happened to me in words.
    What am I supposed to do?
    What does this mean?
    btw, I’m 18 years old and I know this is a huge step in my life and I haven’t told anyone about it
    Please help me

    • HI FK

      It sounds like the call of God is on your life. He is reaching out to you. You are still very young, but God uses young people best for his purpose, because they are still healthy and strong and can do much.

      There is a story of how the prophet Samuel was called as a child. He kept hearing a voice calling his name. Finally, the old prophet in the temple told him to respond to the voice, and say “here I am Lord, what do you want of me?”

      It is very possible that Jesus wants to use you for his glory and purpose. This is a personal decision on your part to accept Jesus as your savior and Lord, and to follow him.

      I would suggest pray as best you can, and ask Jesus to show you the will of God for you. It does not have to be a fancy prayer…you just need to mean it.

      Also, read the books of Matthew and John in the bible first, and see if you feel a personal agreement with what is written there.

      It may also be that the Lord has a beautiful, sweet, Christian girl for you, who will fill the loneliness you feel, and will give you the love you are looking for.

      Her heart will be full of the love of Jesus, and for you to be compatible with her, yours must be full of this also.

      The pain you felt, and then the peace that followed sounds like you are feeling the conviction of the Holy Spirit, who draws our hearts to Jesus and the Father.

      Give God a chance, and see what happens next. May God bless you on your quest.

  71. Hi Marianne, thank you for the reply
    I promise I will do what you said
    I will let you know once I have done everything you said

  72. Hi Marianne, Its FK, please read my previous comment/s above incase you don’t remember

    I was having weird feelings 3-4 weeks ago, and I really wanted to convert to christianity, but 1-2 weeks ago I stopped having those feelings and my life returned back to normal again
    I want those feelings back because they gave me peace and releived my stress.
    I think this is a test from god, it feels as though I have been shown the right path but now its my turn to make a step towards it.
    Please advise me on what to do.
    I have many other problems related to family aswell which I can’t discuss here, have you got an msn name I can add?

    • dear FK

      The conflict you feel is not surprising. As soon as we try to turn to God, the enemy, Satan, is always there to discourage us.

      But God is patient, even is we aren’t.

      You need to go at your own pace. A relationship with God is just like a relationship with a person. You cannot force it or push it. It has to come naturally, and in a healthy way, or it will not last. You may have “tried” too hard.

      So just relax. Pray or read the bible a little bit at a time. Maybe just one verse a day is all you need. let things sink in. Reading the bible is like reading a math book. You do not just sit down and absorb everything at one time. It has to go into your spirit a little at a time.

      Be patient with yourself. You are at an age where your emotions will change a lot. You will also be influenced a lot by others around you, since you are also at a very social age.

      It sounds like you are a little isolated, and there are other issues on your mind.

      You need fellowship with others your age who are christians. I think they could be of help to you even more than me, since they are your age, and would be right there with you.

      See if you can find a church with a large young adult population.

      You can email me privately at the address connected with this response. Just hit the reply button, and it will be a private communication. You do not have to post on the website unless you want to.

      blessings & do not give up! 🙂

  73. marianne,I responded to comment on charismatic witch craft go there and read please.I will be checking my email and back to that site to see what you said.I have not read this page yet behind in my home work.I learned a lot from that page.This is how she got control of her.Thanks,Gp.

  74. I left a comment before but I think I did it wrong , anyway i cannot seem to hold money it seems to pass thru like water I cheerfully and grateffully tithe I used to love money but that is not the problem what else could it possibly be?

  75. Please pass this on to the bloggers. Lyndsey showed me how to get a gravatar. I can’t believe it turned all of my postings at once into them. I like to put a face with a name. Don’t you? Thanks Lyndsey.

  76. Marianne;
    Please let us know how you are as soon as you can. I’m concerned.

  77. Sisters and brothers something not mentioned or understood about Jesus’ virgin birth is that Not only was Jesus not formed from Joseph’s sperm cell but also not form Mary’s egg cell. for both were born in iniquity and shaped in sin. but of the Holy Ghost

  78. Pray this prayer with me all who call on the name of Yahuwshua Messiah,Jesus Christ,Yahuwshua the earth is yours and the fullness there of . The world and they that dwell therein. For you Yahuwshua hath founded it upon the seas and established it upon the floods.Who shall ascend into the hill of the Yahuwshua? Who shall stand in Yahuwshua’s holy place? He that hath clean hands and a pure heart who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity nor sworn deceitfully ,Oh YAHUWSHUA give me clean hands and a pure heart, and keep me from lifting up my soul unto vanity ,keep me Oh Yahuwshua from swearing deceitfully,and after you Yahuwshua hath done this Let me receive the blessing from Yahuwshua and righteousness from the Yahuwshua of My Salvation. Let me be the generation of them taht seek Yahuwshua, that seek thy face, Invite me into your Mind Oh Yahuwshua, the secret of Yahuwshua be with me that fear Yahuwshua,and show me thy covenant, In the name of Jesus Yahuwshua,Hallelujah,Hallelujah,Hallelujah,Hallelujah,Hallelujah,amen.

  79. יאהאוושאה ישו מזמין אותי לתוך המוח שלך עכשיו באמן של שם של ישו

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  83. Marianne
    Please read 1 John 4:1-6, and read the notes if you have a McCarthur study bible. Be careful. A gut instinct so to speak

    • hi dru

      I understand perfectly, and I am not deceived. But there are ways of dealing with this, and ways that are unwise.

      Aggravating, name calling, and attacking someone will only make them stick to their views harder.

      It takes time to dig up fallow ground, and it is difficult when inexperienced people want to recklessly wage war and get in the way, and ruin everything. The holy spirit gently leads…he does not PUSH and attack.

      I want to see people saved, and delivered from misconceptions, but it is hard when others are driving them away.

      It is possible to win intellectually, and lose a soul and send them to hell.

      • I agree,

        • Marianne & Dru,

          I certainly agree that the demonstrated behavior of some, is unproductive for everyone.
          Pride and self righteous speech does not do anything but cause division and conflict.
          However, it is difficult to ascertain as to where our role begins and ends sometimes?
          Ultimately it is all through the Spirit whether we are the participating instrument or not.

          Luke 19:10, ” for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”

          John 6:44, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. ”

          John 14:6, ” Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

          Rev. 3:20, ” Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.”

          John 10:27, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.”

          So it appears to me, that what initiates relationship, is our hearts response to His calling. It is really not something that we pursue of our own accord at all.
          It seems that we tend to forget this at times.
          We tend to underestimate the radical nature of our sinful condition, since the spiritual condition of the natural man is “spiritual death”. If not for the direct Divine intervention on behalf of the individual soul, a person is literally unable to respond to God and receive the gift of salvation, and eternal life.

          Yeshua taught that we require “spiritual rebirth” in order to see the Kingdom of God. (John 3:3)
          This is the new principle of life from God that operates according to the “law of the Spirit of life” (Romans 7:23 – 8:2)
          God loves His children with “an everlasting love”, (i.e., ahavat olam) and draws us to Himself in “chesed”, (i.e., His faithful love and kindness). As it is written, ” I love you with an everlasting love; therefore in “chesed” I have drawn you.” (Jeremiah 31:3)

          The word that is translated into “I have drawn you” is the Hebrew “mashakh”, which means to “seize” or “drag away”. The Greek translation used the verb “helko” to express the same idea.
          Yeshua literally said, ” No one is able to come to me unless he is “dragged away” (helko) by the Father. (John 6:44)

          God’s “chesed” seizes us, takes us captive, and leads us to our Savior. It is our responsibility to respond.
          Spiritual rebirth is a Divine act of creation,
          “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”(John 1:12,13)

          God is always preeminent, and the salvation of an individuals soul, is ultimately His prerogative.
          It then becomes our hope within our hearts, that through the Spirit we will learn His truth.
          “It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.” (John 6:45)


          • Gregg
            As we had discussed before, I don’t mind firing verbal bullets, they definately are preferable to actual ones, and sometimes lead to stronger faith. Some times those bullets lead a person to go into a bunker so to speak and hide themselves. This is detrimental to reaching those people. I think that is Marianne’s point?
            We humans tend to try hard to reach people with the Gospel, but sometimes we are only called to sow the Word, while others are called to reap. Ultimately though, it is God’s work that draws them out. It is hard for some to let God do his work, instead wanting to complete the job themselves, This is called discernment. I think all are guilty of this at times. My self included.

  84. For the record, I was not trying to “save” anyone. I was addressing the false doctrine going forth on several pages by comparing it to the Word of G-d.

    My concern was for those who are NOT SAVED and that they would come to this site and think that Marianne and Christianity in general condoned what was being said by an individual spewing false teachings which were CONTRARY to the Word of G-d.

    None of us are able to save anyone. The Holy Spirit is the one who does this by bearing witness to Jesus Christ as the Son of G-d and by His sacrifice and this is done THROUGH the Word of G-d.

    If I am guilty of anything, I am guilty of trying to shine the spotlight on what G-d says and what HE SAYS ONLY.

    I stand by everything I wrote (with the exception of the last post addressed to Marianne-which she deleted, thank you) as well as the motives and discernment behind it.

    Remember, we are not always dealing with “flesh and blood”….

    Ephesians 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

    Colossians 2:15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.d

    • I think I understand your point as well ???????, Especially the last two, If I was involved I would have done the same. That is why I posted the passage from first John above. God bless

      • Hi Dru,

        Thank you for the support, it does help 🙂

        I am still learning.

        I have always been amazed at how some of the Jewish people can hold their tongue when they or their faith is being “attacked”. I am in awe at how they remain silent!

        Today in fact, I witnessed this with a Beautiful Jewish Lady named Rhetia. She sat quietly while someone gave their testimony of Jesus Christ and unknowingly mentioned the “jews that killed him”…I gasped and looked over to her to see her reaction-there was nothing. Whew!

        Later, she said to me the following “they do their thing over there and we do our thing over here and never do we meet”. And then she smiled and walked away! 🙂

        Should we be silent? Should I learn from Rhetia what she is telling me? Sigh….

        • Ephesisians 5:8-13,16

          8. “For at one time you were darkness, but now you are the light of the world. Walk as children of light
          9. (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true),
          10. And try to discern WHAT IS PLEASING TO THE LORD.
          11. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead EXPOSE THEM.
          12. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret.
          13. But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible.

          16. Making the best use of the time, because the days are evil.”

          Always look to the cross and your own salvation, and you will shine your light on those around you. Sometimes its so simple that its confusing!!! I am just beginning to understand the power of the cross.

  85. I see you guys found a new place to chat. 🙂

  86. Marianne
    I put a question up for our friend, and believe that the right approach, as told in the bible is to test the spirits. A healthy scepticism is what is called for. If she cannot answer a simple question then why should we believe the rest of what she says.
    As you know, I do not believe that all catholics are doomed to hell as some on this sight believe, for the church still holds to the trinity, (the LORDship of Christ), however they have made repentence a work, and added other requirements to salvation.
    If she is truly about unifying believers, this message should be consistent. If she is about OWR then she will maintain dogma.

    • dru

      It would be a nice idea if everyone who questions her also question themselves, as to what kind of spirits are motivating them.

      Catholics use different terminology.

      They are either good catholics, or bad catholics. The question “why do you think you are saved?” is not one they are taught to answer, but if you break it down for them, they will give you a better answer.

      • Marianne
        I as a protestent, have never given much credence to visions of Mary and apparitions and what have you. For me to give her the benefit of the doubt, I must and am called to test that spirit as 1 john 4 calls for. It is not that I condemn them, that is not my job, nor is it our job to “pick apart” what they say, this is a diversion tactic. By testing the spirits you get to the heart of the matter.
        This does not say that I do not believe that God reveals things to certain individuals, But if we are living in the endtimes, as I know we all believe, then there will be a rise in false prophets and antichrists(plural) and we must know how to discern the true ones.
        Let us see how she answers these questions, before we praise or deny what she is saying.
        As for questioning the spirits inside of us, As you might remember, I was one of those that put myself on a pedestal only to be knocked down by God’s grace. I in no way want to exalt myself again. That does not mean that we do not speak with confidence in what God has done in our lives though. Much like Jehu did in dealing with Jezebel as your posts are so keen to point out.
        Psalm 139:23-24 has always been the prayer that I pray before saying anything to others. If my motives are wrong, he will and has revealed them to me. I do not think that any of our motives are totally pure, that is why we need the sanctifying work of the Spirit.
        If Rosa should happen to be reading this, I do not hide from you or plot your demise, but rather choose to discuss in the open with Marianne my motives.

        • I understand. Questions have to be done fairly, and done in a what that actually discovers what is in a person’s heart. I used to belong to a church where people had memorized the answer to “why are you saved,” and they were still mean as snakes, gossips, and false prophets. If you look at young children, who know nothing of theology or how to answer questions, and went by how they could answer a question, we would have to condemn them all. But when we look at their hearts, they are pure and innocent, and believe everything you tell them about Jesus. Jesus said to be like them. So sometimes we can find adults who have child like hearts, and love Jesus, but have confused theology. Here, we have to gently lead them in the correct way. Forcing issues or legalistic demands only make them hurt and withdrawn, or highly defensive, because they don’t understand it all.

          • I see and understand your point. My goal is not to condemn as I stated. Let us see how she answers the one question, and we will leave it to the Lord. If Rosa herself is innocent as you say, then she will answer innocently.? That does not mean she gives a theologically sound answer. The Lord will reveal then. There is a “wrong” response that I will explain later. God bless

            • Hey Dru,

              It appears she has left a response. I am interested in what your thoughts are on this.

              Let me say that I do appreciate your stepping in because evidently no matter how sincere or careful I try to be with my words, I am still criticized and harshly.

              Never thought that testing the spirits with the Word of G-d would bring such defense.

              Suffice it to say, Marianne and I are not in agreement over this by any means. I am “seeing” something that she obviously doesn’t.

            • And she never explained Vassula….

              • There are not necessarily right or wrong ways to accomplish something Lyndsey.
                There are however, ways that are more productive than others.

                • Considering the fact that you chose to assume many false names and PERSONALITIES for each of your aliases on here so as to DECEIVE everyone, your credibility is shot.

                  At least Rosa uses her full name! And I will respect her for that!

                  • I am not looking for your respect, nor do I care what you think of me personally.
                    The statement that I made was, “There are not necessarily right or wrong ways to accomplish something Lyndsey.
                    There are however, ways that are more productive than others.”

                    You instead of choosing to take that possibility into consideration, simply decided not to, and instead chose to become aggressive towards me.

                    Which is fine, for you just further prove my point. That you believe that your way is the right way, no matter what other observation someone else may voice.

                    • In case you were unaware, the Holy Spirit is the one who told me what you were doing. Marianne can confirm that. After I told her what was going on, she checked the IP addresses and sure enough what the HS told me was true!

                      The point is this “gregg”, that G-d sees EVERYTHING and KNOWS EVERYTHING. The HS told me what you were doing so as to protect me from you! G-d will always protect His children.

                      Now granted, you “may” have repented of this to Him and that is between you and G-d. But as far as I am concerned, you are not to be trusted and I don’t consider you my brother in Christ. Your actions spoke clearly as to who you are and to whom you fear.

                      The FEAR of G-d is the beginning of all wisdom! Proverbs 9:10

                      And Yes, you “may” have changed and Jesus forgives, but the damage was still done Gregg! You cannot undo that.

                      What you did is called deception and manipulation. You violated a child of G-d’s trust!

                      And most importantly, you lost all credibility to those who know what you did. You can preach till the “cows come home” but nothing you say is respected. YOU DID THIS- NOT ME. I defended myself as anyone would have done. And I thank G-d for being G-d!! Amen!

                      Now, Do I forgive you? I have to forgive you, but I no longer have to dialogue with you, ever.

                      So, if you are TRULY sorry for what you did, then you will leave me alone.

  87. what was that all about???

    • “gregg” came on this site awhile back using different names and had different personalities behind each one. His reasons? no one knows….

      He apologized to me through Marianne via email. I do ask Marianne to periodically check the IP addresses to see if he continues to do it. I suspect that he does.

      I guess he thought it was humorous or perhaps he was bored. He deceived a lot of people-most don’t even know he did it. The “fight” was posted and Marianne deleted it.

      • dear itsme

        I suggest you get over your unforgiveness and bitterness toward gregg. you are ruining my site with your vengeance.

        several people are complaining about your belligerence as well.

        • Marianne, with all due respect, I think your entire statement above is completely uncalled for and inappropriate.

          You should look carefully as to who is contacting who first and consider ALL the facts before making any statements.

          In my defense, regarding “gregg”, I stated the facts and ONLY after “gregg” dialogued with me knowing that he was not allowed to do that, per your request, or so I thought.

          And To accuse me of vengeance is simply not true.

          Again, in my defense, notice that I did NOT seek out a confrontation with “gregg”-he contacted/confronted me. So who is the one contemplating vengeance?

          Regarding your statement of “belligerence”, again, “gregg” contacted me. So who is being belligerent?

          If you are referring to my posts with rosa, It was never my intent to “wage war” or to be “belligerent” as you have stated.

          I even wrote to rosa that we cared about her and that I was NOT attacking her.

          Further, I am no longer dialoging with rosa other than through the post left yesterday which was to help her find the page of where she posted her declaration of faith.

          And finally, regarding your statement to me of “unforgiveness and bitterness”, I did state to “gregg” that I have to forgive him.

          Am I bitter? I am not happy that you allowed him to stay on after the deception but that is your choice, not mine. It was my understanding that he was told that he was not to contact me, yet he did.

          Any remaining unforgiveness and bitterness is between me and G-d.

          And Once again, this would have never been brought up if “gregg” had not contacted me.

          Again, It would be most helpful and appreciated Marianne if in the future, you would consider ALL the facts.

          Look CAREFULLY as to who is contacting who first and who is really the agressor and who is NOT.


          • itsme

            I wish you well.

            What I said is appropriate, after 2 days of asking you, on and offline, not to fight with people, including me. Strife is strife.

            Your lack of forgiveness is obvious for a crime you perceived as large. If you are still addressing “injuries,” then you still hold negative thoughts.

            Try to get past all this. Look at the number of comments and emails about this, and see what I see.

            Time is better spent in quiet, reflecting upon the goodness of God and His mercy, and sharing his love with others.

            I hope you feel better tomorrow.

            • Proverbs 17:14 The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with

              In other words: Prov 17:14 Starting a quarrel is like breaching a dam; so DROP THE MATTER before a dispute breaks out (*DROP IT; DON’T MEDDLE)

              *the one who meddles CAUSES the strife

          • Hello Its me, i feel like helping you to come out from unforgiveness,because that one only will make you not to enter into the Kingdom of God, remember Jesus, when he was Bitten and Cruised, for our Sin, Jesus did not do anything wrong, but people where persecuting him and even killed him for no reason, so your case is like for Jesus,remember what Jesus said to them, he said Father forgive them for they don’t know what they are doing.
            If Jesus forgave you need also to forgive in order for you to be free and have peace in your heart, just forgive and forget that there was a Man call gegg and you will see God start healing your heart, Today satan is using Unforgiveness to bring Sickness to people, {1} if you dont forgive that means you are thinking over that thing all the time, and the more you think you receive ALISSA,don’t have the Cure [2] Pressure and even you will end up Mad, because of somebody, so this is what Satan is doing, so that you get sick, so forgive because God want people who forgives, when you don’t forgive you become like you are caring somebody on your shoulder, am just feeling that you forgive that person.
            i would like to Contact you privately, so that we can share more a bout this, Just contact me on, or call me on +254727553741, thank you this is Pastor Noah from Kenya East Africa.

            • Pastor Noah
              It is true that satan uses our weekness in the area of forgiveness to bring about his destructive ends. I think we, myself included, have learned alot about forgiveness through the disputes here.

              The most important lesson God is teaching is that we cannot really love someone, if we cannot forgive them.
              God Bless, and my prayers are with you in Kenya

            • Thank you Pastor Noah, you are very sweet. My heart is touched that you reached out to me.

              I am ok. G-d has been helping and teaching me for years about unforgiveness. I have had a lot to forgive.

              G-d has been helping me “see” through His eyes. I had to finally ask Him to do that for me. And by doing so, He reminds me that we are not always dealing with “flesh and blood”.

              I have learned that “gregg” was a victim as much as I was. For him to want to deceive in such a way, there is no doubt that there was indeed an underlying source behind that and we all know who THE deceiver is.

              “gregg” did not know what buttons to push but satan did!

              I don’t hate “gregg” and I truly don’t hate anyone, but I am learning that it is ok to HATE the DEVIL and all the lies and harm he invokes.

              And I also want to say that I have been feeling everyone’s prayers on me (hard to explain), so I want to say thank you very much for these prayers.

              Thank you again Pastor Noah!

  88. There are always two sides to any story Dru.
    Thankfully God is the judge.

    Above I attempted to suggest an alternative approach to hopefully resolve what appears to be a problem with one of the other members.
    However, she chose to disregard the content of that post, and instead attack me personally as well, on an issue that an apology was given for.
    She will be happy to know that I will no longer be coming here from now on. Instead of this being a place of comfort for those seeking to share in God’s word, it seems instead to be a place of confrontation and lack of forgiveness.

    A shame since it is a Christian site.
    I wish all, including you Lyndsey Yeshua’s grace in your lives.
    You can continue bad mouthing me now all you want Lyndsey, because I won’t be here to respond or defend myself. Not that it matters.

    • Matthew 24:12,13,14 luke 21:19

      • Matthew 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

        Isaiah 54:17
        “But in that coming day no weapon turned against you will succeed. You will silence every voice raised up to accuse you. These benefits are enjoyed by the servants of the Lord; their vindication will come from me. I, the Lord, have spoken!” (NLT)

        1 Peter 3:9
        “Don’t repay evil for evil. Don’t retaliate with insults when people insult you. Instead, pay them back with a blessing. That is what God has called you to do, and he will bless you for it.” (NLT)

        Matthew 5:44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

        Luke 6:28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you

        Proverbs 3:30
        “Do not accuse a man for no reason, when he has done you no harm.” (NIV)

        Proverbs 11:9
        “The hypocrite with his mouth destroys his neighbor, but through knowledge the righteous will be delivered.” (NKJV)

        1 Peter 2:1-12
        “So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and ALL SLANDER.


    • “gregg”

      I honestly don’t know what to say to you, for you introduced yourself by means of deception. You have to take responsibility for that.

      If you are TRULY not returning here, then know that I will forgive you. I don’t wish you any harm. I do hope that you do realize what you did and the damage it caused and that you never do it again and that you remain in the truth once you find it.

      Salvation is between you and G-d. He is faithful to forgive you and will KNOW the sincerity of your heart.

      • We all should forgive, as Christ forgave us. Remember what he did on the cross, and you will be able to forgive.

        • Thank you Dru.

          Trust is a big deal for me. And G-d knows that story very well.

          I have to remember that what was done to Yeshua was a lot worse then what was done to me. If He can forgive then who am I that I am not able to forgive?

          John 15:18″If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

          Romans 3:23..for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

      • When we repent of our sins, the Lord forgives, Because he is faithful and Just to forgive us our sins. Every time we sin, we “hurt” the Lord much like you have been “hurt”, Yet God in his glorious Love for us, is able to “let go” of that “hurt” and continue his love for us.
        We are called as brother and sisters in Christ to forgive one another as Christ forgave us, To love one another with this sort of Godly Love, for God IS Love.

  89. To All,

    You might think you are having your own private little battles off line, but your not. This is visible to anyone who either, unfortunately stumlbes across it or is looking for reasons to bash Faith in the Messiah. You are not ridiculing each other, but the Father. If there was a selfless end in this, or if some eternal truth would come out of this mess, that might be one thing. But as it stands, this is all self interest. Everyone needs to walk away from the discussion and reflect on what is happening here. If you are offended, let the offence go. If you are trying to justify what you are doing, to man, you are wrong. The things we do, we do to honor the Father, not ourselves in front of men. Your witness is stained here. Seek a place of quietness, and allow Ruaach HaKodesh to comfort and justify you. As it stands right now, He is not in this mess anywhere. All of you are on your own and will be found working against Ha Ruach.

  90. Marianne
    I left a comment on “Jesus Kneeling post for you, but it didn’t seem to go through. If you can’t find it let me know and I will re do it. Thank you

  91. Marianne
    Any way, you must have blocked that page or something. Here is the Gist of what I said, and it pertains to this page as well.

    With regards to Rosa, I have said what I would like to say to her.
    The holy Spirit will do its work in her if that is God’s will.

    With regard to animosity amongst us, I believe the Lord is teaching us to love and forgive one another as he has done for us.
    It takes humility to repent, but it also takes humility to forgive one another as well. We should not be in a battle of wills, but rather a building up of one another In Christ. Or working out our faith with fear and trembling.

    Rosa, If you happen to be reading this, I am sorry if what i said has injured you in any way. My Goal has and always will be to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ as the Lord in his mercy has revealed it to us. He works in different ways in different people, but so long as the requirements of salvation are the same, Repentence and belief, we are all brothers and sisters in Christ. How we express our Love for the Lord will vary from person to person, but so long as the heart is pure he will accept our sacrifices.
    WE (or me) often try to make others be like us, but it is not a mass of like minded people the Lord wants, but rather a group of individuals Through faith in his sacrifice on the cross, Expressing their Love for him in their own individual way.
    We (or me) often fall into the practice of criticizing the differences amongst people, rather than celebrating them. It is the story of Humankind and sinfullness. It is what leads nation to fight against nation, and brother to fight against brother.

    The Catholic church believes in the Holy trinity, and the divinity of Christ, as do us protestents. Both catholics and protestents believe that we cannot save ourselves and require God’s grace to save. How we express our faith after that is between us and God. Let’s stop dwelling on each others errors, for we all are sinners, and focus on the cross and Jesus sacrifice. Only then will we see unity. Let us correct only those who do not share those two truths, rather than each other.
    God bless all.

    • Hey Dru,

      I understand what you are saying, however, this is also what the AC is promoting in regards to “tolerance” and a One World Religion and all in the “name of peace”.

      The pope gathered many religions together to promote this and participated in the other religions’ focus on pagan gods….all in the name of peace and tolerance and “can’t we all just get along”.

      This is also what Obama is promoting by starting us out as “citizens of the world” and the USA not being a Christian, Jewish or Muslim nation but a “nation of citizens”.

      Muslims will be bringing in the AC, while the catholics will be looking for Mary instead of Yeshua and the Jews won’t have a clue until the abomination of desolation takes place!

      Mormons don’t believe that Angels even have wings, while catholics hear from angels all the time
      Jehova witnessess only believe 144,000 will be saved yet they keep trying to “save” people
      Another group believes Jesus and lucifer are brothers! grrrrr
      Buddhist worship a fat guy who never says a word
      And back to the muslims, they will lie to your face about “peace” while they prepare to cut off your head and “in the name of allah”

      Some of us honestly do know the TRUTH. But sadly, no body cares Dru! They are “choosing”/free will to believe what they want regardless of it being truth or not.

      Even those who claim to be Christians are not wanting to “offend” anyone with the Words of Jesus because they may not believe in Jesus and so we have to “tip toe” around them so as not to invoke an argument or a debate. This is when we hear “tolerance” and before you know it, we have interfaith/mystics/one world religion!

      Again, I hear what you’re saying. And it sounds great, only the scriptures tell us that if we don’t expose them and if we don’t warn them and if we don’t tell the truth then their blood is on our hands and then we are in trouble as much as they are! But if they won’t listen, don’t care and if we are silenced in the name of tolerance and peace then what!? Ezekiel 33:8,9

      I am seriously at the point where I simply don’t care!

      I hate to feel that way but enough is enough-which is the truth and which is the lie?

      Everyone defends their interpretation as truth….not everyone can be right. And then the irony is if you tell them to go read the Word of G-d to get the truth, then they come back with something else! ha! Or in some cases, they come back having rewritten it to suit their beliefs!

      And if it wasn’t so sad it would be hysterical and yet it is!

      So, this is my final say on this. Cause I know as sure as I am sitting here, that no one cares and I will be falsely accused, again, of “strife” (can’t we all just get along) and by my “fellow christian brothers and sisters” no less. ha!

      In the words of my new jewish friend, Rhetia, “they do their thing over there and we do our thing over here and never do we meet”.

      Sounds like a plan to me! 🙂

      Shalom, best wishes, Maranatha, G-d bless, G-d willing! Good bye!

      • dear itsme

        We love you here. There is no objection to the points you made. It was just the delivery style. I do not advocate tip toeing around false beliefs, but I do advocate the proper approach, if we are to reach them with the truth.
        The wrong approach will make us lose our point, and then we have gained nothing. I wish you insight and healing and understanding at this time for you.

      • Its me
        I am not saying we should stop defending our beliefs, but let us agree before we disagree, Let the Lord Judge.

        You see, with the exception of the Catholics, all the religions mentioned above are not Christian. This is because they deny the divinity of Christ. Other religions deny the humanity of Christ (Most of those are dead religions right now,) These are the two tests for the spirits that John puts forth in 1 John 4. By Rosa bringing in the Nicene creed, she is accepting the trinity, whether this is a true belief in her heart or whether she is just quoting Dogma, is not for me to Judge.
        I disagree with the comments that she has made in the persona of Vassula, …..(I will refrain the rest of my thoughts here)
        I am not for the one world religion if we must compromise on the trinity or our depravity. I am however for bringing Christians together. Remember we are all part of one body of Christ. Christs body is not just composed of all “hands” or all “heads”, but rather, there are many parts and many roles for each cell in the body. I believe that the catholic church has its heracies, as does my baptist church, as do the calvinists, and the lutherans etc. They are all institutions of Man (this world). You know that I am for shooting verbal bullets, and challenging each others beliefs, but when those bullets cause a person to get defensive, then they are not worth firing. Remember, we are called to love our enemies, not just those who love us back, These actions will be rewarded in heaven, in God’s kingdom.
        I have not condemned you once in our discussion, we had one disagreement on beasts, which we settled by agreeing to disagree. I know that your beliefs are very much in line with mine, and we should celebrate this. It is not we that change the hearts and minds of those we “preach” to, but it is God that does the work in them. In other words, There is nothing wrong with saying what we believe and why we believe it, but we go too far when we say you must believe what I believe. Is this not what we condemn the muslims for? I am guilty of this as we all are.

        It is the cross we share in common, and the holy sacrifice of Jesus on that cross for an undeserving humanity. Let us celebrate that, and use His love as an example to live by. God bless

        • hi Dru

          I agree with you. And I share your concern for itsme’s feelings.

        • Dru
          We must remember that it is not just concern for itsme. and her feelings and arguments.

          We must remember that others, like Gregg that were also unfairly spoken to. So there is a lot of healing that needs to take place.

          I pray that anyone involved with a dispute receive peace from the holy spirit. I also pray that now, we move forward, and focus our hearts and minds on any wounds we inflicted afresh on the hands and feet of Jesus, and ask his forgiveness. For it is in love and repentance that we grow spiritually.

          I deeply appreciate the wonderful efforts you have made to help others here with their issues.
          God bless everyone.

          • “We must remember that others, like Gregg that were also unfairly spoken to.”

            You are something else Marianne! I am NOT the only one who feels that you are VERY MUCH in the wrong!

            You have an uncanny ability to DEFEND the one who HARMS OTHERS and NEVER DEFEND the one that harm was done to!

            You allowed this deceiver to continue blogging on your website KNOWING FULL WELL what he had done!

            Instead of reprimanding him you YELLED AT ME for exposing his IP Address! That was all that you were concerned about-NEVER ONCE did you ask me if I was ok!!!!

            And when you allowed “gregg” to continue on this site, did you even set boundaries? Did you make a public statement to everyone letting them know there was a deceiver among them who was pretending to be different people each time he logged in using a different alias?

            The answer: NO YOU DID NOT!

            In the words of Al, if there is offense, then let the OFFENSE BE!

            You are WRONG MARIANNE! PERIOD! A public apology is very much due at this point since YOU are not even able to let an argument go BECAUSE you just HAD TO DEFEND the one who did tremendous HARM!

            You just HAD to make that statement didn’t you?!?!

            So lets see, What would Jesus Do Marianne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????

            I believe Jesus would have rebuked the deceiving spirit first and foremost.

            AND Jesus would have shown more concern for the VICTIM!!!

            Jesus would NOT have yelled at me for having exposed the evil!!

            And He certainly would not DEFEND the EVIL!

            Anyone with common sense KNOWS that by defending the EVIL done only causes MORE HARM to the victim!!!

            Now, not only do I have to forgive “gregg” but I have to forgive you for defending him!

            Where is the justice? Where is the consequence to either of your actions?

            Tell me Marianne in “all your wisdom” ha! What would JESUS DO!?

            • Lyndsey

              I have defended both of you as deserving forgiveness, not just one of you.

              Jesus would have forgiven Gregg when he apologized. This you have not done, but continue to condemn him in public.

              This issue should be over, but you won’t let it drop. Neither you nor Gregg are evil. The offense should be in the past, and the love of Jesus should now be present – in both of you.

              Jesus is fair too, yet his mercy overwhelms his justice. We all crucified him with our sins, yet he forgave us.

              • “I have defended both of you as deserving forgiveness, not just one of you.”

                NO you have not. You have only defended “gregg”!

                “Jesus would have forgiven Gregg when he apologized. This you have not done, but continue to condemn him in public.”

                This would have never come out in public if “gregg” had not contacted me, as he was very much aware that he was not to do! He wanted to “give me advice” and as I pointed out to him very clearly, something he should have already been aware of, that his words meant nothing to the one of whom he lied to and violated trust! So let Jesus forgive him but Jesus will only forgive him if he is sincere-and that is something he is NOT. As is proven through his deception AND his contacting me!

                “This issue should be over, but you won’t let it drop.”

                This issue WAS OVER UNTIL your last post above! Where you just HAD to continue defending him!

                Jesus would have known better then to do that! He would have known this would be bringing it back up, just as you clearly did!

                “Neither you nor Gregg are evil. The offense should be in the past, and the love of Jesus should now be present – in both of you.”

                What he did was EVIL! And lets see how easily you forgive and LOVE after someone VIOLATES YOU!! Words are cheap and very easily spoken and written when the crime was never done to the one speaking!

                And G-d knows that there is more to this than I have chosen to write about. I want this to be over so that I can move on but when someone like you Marianne continues to DEFEND the one who did the evil and HARM then this only “adds salt to the wounds”!Especially when done in PUBLIC! But of course you KNEW that!

                Stop pretending to be someone that you are not! You have shown two faces to not only me but to others. Take a good look at your motives Marianne! Consider the harm that you are causing and have caused.

                • I respectfully request that you no longer defend “gregg” on this public site! I want this to be OVER and I would very much appreciate if you would ALLOW for this to be OVER by not posting anymore on this subject, whether directly or indirectly.

                  If you feel the need to defend and console poor “gregg” please do so in private out of respect for the victim!

  92. Marianne if you get the chance could you post this also on the “Jesus Kneeling” page.
    Thank you

  93. Hi Marianne

    I make all kinds of calculations as you do. Now I found biblical timeline in
    and from there one year jumped into my eyes, 1876 BC as the year when Abraham was sacrificing his son. The year of exodus 1446 BC has long been kind of center point in my thoughts as a starting point for something new, escape from slavery, and thus starting a new cycle in the calendar, kind of year zero. Also there seems to be rather good agreement about it. So how was establishment of passover lamb connected with Jesus and Isaac? The given link says crucifixion was in 33 but doesn’t tell how they determine it. And connection should be with biblical numbers. 1876-1446=430. (Time + 2times +half time )*430 – leap month = 1475 = 1260 + 430/2. Time gap ends up
    1446 -1475 = 30 AC. I want still to make a day count but I have to examine it a little bit.
    I remember that somewhere you mentioned that Jesus was crucified in 31 but in that connection you did not determine how. Please tell. Another problem I had. I could not find a proper calendar converter to figure out suitable date during any of surrounding years, not Friday but rather Wednesday, neither connection for BC years. Darkness was not caused by eclipse, it should have been full moon time.

  94. hi Seppo

    I do not understand your calculations.

    People think Jesus died in 31 AD because he was born before 1 AD….about 3 AD……..

    This was determined by the position of the stars and planets that produced the “star” of Bethlehem.

  95. Hi Marianne
    My thinking of calculations begin with Eph. 1:10
    10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:2
    10 toward the administration of the fullness of the times, to head up1 all things in Christ – the things in heaven2 and the things on earth.3
    KJV word dispensation is unknown to me, I have never heard it being used. The Greek word oikonomia refers to economy and thus NET translation makes sense.
    Time, kairos is basically a measure of time and all measurements of time are shorter or longer cycles.
    . Typical cycles are day, week, year, seven years, 40 years etc. Seven cycles are in many cases fulness of cycles like 7 thousand years. The Bible also cuts many cycles to half, like seven years is given in halfs of 1260 and 1290 days which both are 3.5 years. One leap month added during seven years. One day is a year. Summing this up 7 prophetic years are 2550 years, not 2520 which would result from 7*360 and is also a biblical cycle and it has its own meaning because it is also 36*70 which both are very biblical numbers.
    Thus one full biblical cycle is 2550 years or days. Everything is not clear to me. If I count 7 years according to our calendar it is 2556.75 days or in years close to 7 years more than Daniel’s prophetic counting gives.
    WTC collapsed 9/11. 2550 days later 9/4 was the following text written “Dow Jones Literally Crashed on 4 September 2008” in the link Somebody but not all understood it then
    Babylon crashed 539 BC, when adding 2550 Daniel’s years we get 2012and 3 years later 536 BC Israel could return to Jerusalem. If we consider another 7 year cycle starting autumn 2008 half of it takes us to 2012 and it extends to 2015. Israel was born 1948. less 2550 years ends up in 603 BC. Jerusalem was liberated in 1967, less 2550 results in 584 BC. About at that time the last group of priests were taken to Babylon thus eliminating all temple services (Jer.52) and after that Israel was always occupied until 1948.
    The cycle I used in my calculation was 430 years which I would call “punishment cycle”, Bible justifies this name. Full number of punishment cycles would be 7 and this counting started at point when the Lord told about the lamb sacrifice. Because the Christ is center of everything in the Bible, it would be natural that He offered the sacrifice in the middle of 7 cycles. And also similarly like 1260 and 1290 in Daniel are of the same length in wider perspective I deducted 30 years from this first half.
    All this came into my mind when I saw Abraham’s sacrifice year mentioned to be 1876. However, this conclusion is not dependant upon whether that year is correct or not.. Also Hesekiel shows the length of punishment cycle of 430 years.
    Another way to look at the calculation to get to the halfway of the cycle is to take first half of Daniel 1260 (calendar was established in 1446 and this cycle could start also then) and add to it half of the punishment cycle 215 years.
    Fulness of times will happen when all different cycles will be full.
    I am not claiming that my thoughts are truth, I present them in the sense for your judgement and maybe somebody gets some new thoughts like I have received after having followed discussions here.
    I cannot say whether this idea came from the Lord or not. One thing I have noticed and heard also from others is that when the Lord speaks, it surprises. Now I was surprised. I have during years tried to find out how the time of the cross can be connected to biblical calculations but never found anything which makes sense.

    • Seppo
      The first time I came on this sight, It was to find out if the Dome of the rock played an important role in prophecy. I will throw these numbers out ther to see what you think.
      1948 israel refounded Less 1260 prophetic days = 688 AD
      688ad-691AD Dome of the rock was built on holy mount.
      691 AD less 1290 prophetic days =599 BC -1 for year zero=598 BC
      This is roughly 12 years before the the destruction of the temple in 586BC. 598BC was roughly the year the Temple was pillaged by the babylonians, In other words the ark no longer was in the temple or the end of sacrifice.
      Daniel 12:12 says “blessed is he who waits and arrives at 1335 days” 688+1335=2023 691+1335=2026
      If these prophecies were sealed for those in the future, would they not use the calendar that we in the future use? If those two dates mark the beginning of the millenial reign, then subtracting 7 from them would put the start of tribulation between2016-2019 AD.

      Another “number” that has been coming to me is the number 70. this is the number of years of captivity in Babylon. If we take 1948+70=2018. again, this falls into that date range.

      I know alot of people here on this site are on the 2012 band wagon, but looking at the seals in revalation, I believe it will take some time for the fourth seal to come together (islamic theocracy)(at least as how I interpret it)

      Now to Go further back further, 586BC+1290=1876, the date you mention above.
      I just thought I would throw these out there for you. Hopefully the dates for the Dome of the Rock will help you. It is my belief, that in revalation 12:6 the 1260 days refers to the 1260 years from 688 AD- 1948AD When Satan was thrown down from heaven the religion he created was Islam among others.

      • Hi Dru
        The calendar which Daniel is using IS almost our calendar unlike majority of Bible teachers teach. They say that in prophetic 360-calendar there are 360 days per every year. Daniel clearly teaches that 7 years is composed of two halfs one with 1260 days and the other 1290 because leap month has to be added in any calendar. This leap month was used already in ancient Babylon. So, in 7 years there is only 2550 days instead of 2556.75. 36–calendar remains a little bit behind and thus leap months has to be added every sixth year. 40 year cycle is already more accurate it is composed of seven cycles, six of them contain six years and the last four years to get even 40 years. Daycount: 40×360 + 7×30 = 14610 which gives in average for a year 365.25 days
        The principle of one day is one year is accurate enough for any practical purpose. Otherwise all calculations would be very complicated. In 2500 years the difference is less than 7 years. After long time nothing happens overnight, like in Dome, which year you use or captivity in Babylon, at first there was long siege. There are always other prophecies to get adjustments in the transition and of course afterwards it’s easy to see. I think that the Dome is part of the end game also considering that Muslims are the only religious group ready to cut off heads of Christians and Jews during the time of darkness when “nobody can work” and they are already spread practically to every country in the world and they would be happy to carry the mark bismillah or whatever which supports their belief.
        Before 1446 Abraham used the term 430 years connected to Egypt and thus would be interesting to know what happened in 1876. Timelines give different opinions.
        When the rapture? In the 70’s and 80’s many were sure that Jesus comes in 1988. When it did not happen 7 years were added, nothing happened. Now is the time to test if 70 years of the Psalm is valid giving year 2018. 70 is not given for generation but for man. Moses used 100 years for a generation. You could also start counting from Balfour 1917. Russian Kvasha has examined the cycles of 144 years divided into 4 parts for different empires, Russia, Britain, Ottoman, Rome, Judah. In Russia it worked nicely. The latest cycle started at the death of Alexander in 1881, 1917 revolution, 1953 Stalin died, 1989 no more Soviet Union, 2015 ? end of the cycle and new cycle begins. I would expect something dramatic there. If you want to use 144 years you could start from 1872 regarded as the year when Jews started moving to Israel. Using practically any number you can always find a solution which is not too far away. I don’t know yet which are all the cycles which need to be in fulness for this event.

        • 1876 bc was the approximate beginning of the “Captivity” of the Israelites.

          Regarding the seventy years, Noah also was told that 100 years equals a generation. I got the 70 years from the frequency it is used in the bible. Exile in Babylon=70years, Daniels 70 sevens, Jesus said to forgive 70×7 times, etc. 70 years is < one generation. Jesus said "…this Generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Mat 24:34. I see the seventy years as a restoration to Israel of the seventy year captivity in babylon. A last chance to redeem themselves so to speak.

          This of course is only theoretical, and we will find out soon enough. Could be 1988 all over again!!!. Its fun to play with numbers, but sometimes faith is all we need.!!

        • Just another Fun Fact. 2018-(7×70)=1528 ad
          1527 was the year of rome being sacked by charles V soldiers, taking Clement VII in prison. Catholic church, papacy lost its military power and land.

          Like you said, you can add and subtract biblical numbers and come to relavent dates in history at will almost. Is it part of the devine plan is another question.?

          • Hi Dru
            Devine plan requires what Jesus said, “two or three witnesses are required. No statement alone is valid and these two or three statements need to be found in the Bible.
            I have heard that similarly like 40 years have been given to individual as a certain time to get grown-up 70 years has been given to nations to ripe up. I think the best way to analyze the meaning of 70 years to Israel today would be to look at what happened 70 years after their previous returns and I don’t remember anything special.

            But the Bible tells very accurately when the rapture will happen: in THE THIRD DAY.
            We go to the King and there are multitude of proofs in the Bible that people go to the king the third day. By searching from the Bible “the third day” comes up a lot of information. And besides (John 2:1 [KJV]) And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee. And John was the writer who was most interested in the heavenlies.
            Common feature in all is that nobody asks when is the third day, it is known. That is clear if the third day is imminent. But if it is further away exact time remains open like (Hos 6:2 [KJV])
            After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
            Rabbis have not been able to solve the puzzle.
            Reference is given to days of Noah. Noah knew a long time the need for the ark he built. Apostacy conquered everybody except his family. Maybe one reason was that Noah built and talked for hundred years and nothing happened. Only seven days before the flood he got accurate information but before he went into ark he had to collect all the animals and no matter what, it takes some time. He knew that he had only seven days to do the final job and he had to find all the animals and he was thus very busy. Finnish ancient folk lyrics tells that he collected animals by singing and playing and afterwards kicked red doorof his boat open)
            Similarly this tells us that we can know the exact end game time only seven years before the end and Bible tells how to find it out. Daniel tells about the seven year covenant with MANY. Also the Lord tells His prophets that He doesn’t do anything without telling it at first to His prophets. So far I have not heard from any prophet that the Lord says the date, everybody calculates on different premises and many get disappointed.
            When is the third day? And what is the day count? Jesus told that He will be raised the third day and has commaned us “Follow me”. Time count started at His death and burial. For him it was the third day for us it means the third thousandth year which will start about 2030. Two thousand years is 15 x 40 year cycle and as I counted above the average year should contain 365.25 days in the prophetic calendar for such cycles. I can see some unfulfilled prophecies which need to be fulfilled and hardly will be before 2025. About last seven years. David gives more accurate information and also condition at that time.
            (1Sam 20:5 [KJV])
            And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow [is] the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may HIDE myself in the field unto the third [day] at even (I read this so that when David is going to go to the dinner to his King he has to hide at first to the evening of the third day, projection to last day Christians, hiding in the FIELD and working,Noah was catching all kinds of animals, Believers are catching only “fish” for the final harvest under difficult circumstances for three years)
            So, my thinking is that rapture is not yet so imminent that the Lord would give final instructions but like Noah was all the time ready for action, we should be also.
            Dru,Maybe you look at the third day question and what kind of thoughts it brings into your mind?

            • Hi Seppo,

              Not meaning to intrude on your conversation with Dru, but just wanted to make a statement about something you said. That is the necessity for there being at least two or more witnesses to anything that is foundational in the scriptures. That is not to say, the same person saying the same thing more than once. But rather from two or more independent sources. If we followed that principle more closely, when interpreting scripture, we would drastically cut down on the amount of controversy about the meaning of scripture. It would mean having to be more objective and less subjective in our beliefs, which is a huge thing and probably the reason most people will not adhere to this principle. I appreciate you bringing up the matter.

            • Seppo
              I think the third day is refering to the third day of the final week, seven prophetic days of tribulation. Mid tribulation or slightly earlier. Jesus ministry lasted for about three prophetic days, The start of his ministry was when he was declared by John the Baptist as the lamb (John 1:29). My Bible has this date as 27AD with his death being 30 AD. The end of 2026, would be 2000 years from the start of his ministry, or beginning of the third millenium, Jesus Millenial reign?

              1.So, I am no prophet, But? Daniel 12:11-12 points to the year 2026.
              2.Revalation 12 points to the year 1948, adding to that 70 years, goes to 2018, (2018 marks war of psalm 83) when the antichrist sign a covenet with Israel, marking the beginning of tribulation 2019 perhaps and construction begins on the temple. After 3.5 years, rapture occurs, and Israel alone, No Christian support, Antichrist stand in temple, (daniels Abomination) and declares himself God, Judgement begins on the rest of humanity 3.5 years more equals 2026 = Day of the Lord.
              3. Jesus ministry begins 27 AD + 3 prophetic days = Jesus death + 3 literal days = resurection. Three Millenial days from start of Jesus ministy, third millenium begins in 2027, 2026=last year of second millenium. Psalm 90:4 “For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past,or as a watch in the night.” II Peter 3:8 “But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, That with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
              Isaiah 61:2 “To proclaim the year of the Lords favor, and the DAY OF VENGENCE of our God; to comfort all who mourn.”

              Theoretically, would that be three witnesses?

              • “when the antichrist sign a covenet with Israel”

                Hey Dru,

                Remember, it doesn’t have to be with Israel-just a “covenant with many”.

                Daniel 9:27He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”

                • Yes that is kind of a stretch biblically. It will be primarily with Israel, but many (UN, NATO) will ratify it.

                  My reasoning for it is that i think there will be a war that involves Israel and the surrounding nations, Egypt,syria,lebanon,palestine,Jordan, Yemen among others., these forces will be defeated, and will result in Israel taking large parts of these countries. Apeace treaty will then be signed by Israel and rest of muslim world, giving control of Holy mount to Israel to rebuild its temple.

                  Of course, we shall see!!
                  I also think this will be the time of “peace and safety” for Israel from which the rapture occurs.

            • G-d’s calendar is led not only by Genesis (evening and morning were the first day) but also by the Feasts of the L-rd. In fact everything revolves around these Feasts. This is very important to consider when attempting to “solve the puzzle”.

              Further, I believe G-d plans around the Jewish/lunar calendar and not the gregorian calendar. So we need to calculate using 360 days and not 365 or 365.5.

              Further, Rick Larson gives us a better understanding of Jesus’ birth and the date of his birth. This involves figuring out when King Herod ruled and looking at the Star of Bethlehem (the heaven’s declare the glory of G-d/display knowledge Psalm 96).

              These two things point to the date of Jesus Birth and then we can count 33 years to his death (Passover) and resurrection (First Fruits).

              And don’t forget the upcoming signs in the sky in 2014/2015 (solar/lunar eclipses/4 tetrads occuring on Jewish Feasts Days)



              Hope this is helpful

              • lyndsey
                When you give number of days days you compare wrong numbers with each other. 360 is radix for prophetic calendar and 365 is radix for Gregorian. 365.25 is average for longer period of time. If you look at Daniels day count for seven years you can notice it to be 2550 and he is using prophetic calendar in this. 2550 days divided by 7 gives average number of days per year during seven year period 364.29. This is the figure which you should compare with 365.25. The big mistake most people do is thinking that every year contains the same 360 days.

              • Lindsey
                If the Jewish calender has 360 days per year, and they add a 30 day leap month on the seventh year, then every 6 year period still has an average of 365 days.
                Now they do not account for the .25 days that give us a leap day every four. Over the course of 2625 years, this would give us about 93 days lost, this would put the dates around 1 year earlier than what is predicted above possibly.
                When I was researching this date of 2026, there was a solar eclipse over the holy land (partial) and middle east (total).

                Also when jesus died, the first three gospels say from the sixth to the ninth hour were darker, the day Jesus died. this is consistent with a partial eclipse. I bet if you could trace back the solar cycles you would find this partial eclipse over Jerusalem around 30 ad. this would give an accurate date for Jesus death.

              • I’m sorry 656 days of leap days not 93. I know in our calendar, we also have leap seconds, as it is not exactly .25 days that we are adding, that is why your solstices sometimes jump from 20th to 21st days of the month. I am sure that the Jewish calender would have adjusted for this somehow, otherwise the spring solstice would jump on the calendar to winter months etc.? Is not passover determined by the solstice? I am sorry, I have not studied all the feasts as I should, but will try.

              • whether or not these leap seconds and days are accounted for or not in prophecy is another question worth asking.
                Also I meant equinox determines passover? not solstice.

              • Lindsey
                Please read what I wrote to seppo below, and give me your thoughts on it. It just came to me.

          • Dru,

            That is VERY INTERESTING!!!

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  97. Hi Dru
    I have to spread the text wider.
    At first I want to confirm your statement concerning the year of 27. I was too concentrated in the death of Christ and supposed something automatically. When you referred to 2027, Luke 4 jumped into my mind.
    Luke 4:18
    The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
    Which is reading from Isaiah 61:1
    Further Isaiah 11 speaks about ensign and new era including gentiles: “1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.” New era started when Jesus started His service and that should be also one starting point for calculations. Kingdom of God came onto the earth in 27.
    But what kind of day is the Day of the Lord? Amos 5 explains
    18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end [is] it for you? the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light. 19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. 20 [Shall] not the day of the LORD [be] darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
    That is the time when nobody can work, satan is in full control. Thus at least last 42 months of antichrist belong to the Day of the Lord. I will think further and write again tomorrow.

    • Seppo
      The Day of the Lord as I understand it from the Bible:
      Psalm 50:3 “Our God comes; he does not keep silence; Before him is a devouring FIRE, around him a mighty TEMPEST.”

      Isaiah 2:9-10 “So man is HUMBLED, and each one is brought low- do not forgive them! 10. Enter into the ROCK and hide in the dust from before the TERROR of the Lord, and from the SPLENDOR of his Majesty.” Also 2:21

      Isaiah 24:17-19 ” TERROR and the pit and the snare are upon you O inhabitant of the earth! 18. He who flees at the sound of TERROR shall fall into a pit, and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in a snare. For THE WINDOWS OF HEAVEN ARE OPENED, and the FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH TREMBLE 19. The earth is utterly BROKEN, and the earth is SPLIT APART, the earth is violently SHAKEN.”

      See also Isa 13:13, 28:2, 29:6, 34:4, ezekial 38:22-23, amongst others.

      The Day of the Lord in the New testament had one fulfillment Matthew 27:51, at Jesus death. The others in revalation point to the second coming. Revalation 8:5, 11:19, 16:18,21, 18:10.

    • Seppo
      I will give you another compelling argument for this later date as being when the end times begin. Satan wants to take the place of Jesus and wants to deceive as many of his followers as possible. what better way to do it than to have people believing that 2012 is the beginning of the tribulation, where many events are forecast. When he signs his treaty by way of the beast, with Israel, which will be retified by UN, he will appear as Jesus to some. There will be what apears to be peace and safety, or the start of the false millenial reign. Because there is no rapture 2012-2019, many in the church will be “disappointed”, and some who do not believe in the rapture will be deceived into believing by his signs and wonders. I do not know what 2012 holds, but I do think many will think of it as the start of tribulation. Then the 2018 war will look like the Gog magog war which is supposed to usher in the return of Christ. and antichrist will appear as Christ. This will give him lisence to go after true Christians saying that they are false. Remember satan is the father of lies, and this is the grand daddy of them all. And then he will accuse us true Christians of deceipt, which he is known for accusation.

      How many will be deceived by this lie I do not know.

  98. Marianne
    If what I said above is true, as i said it just came to me, then I think you should take the time to warn Christians out there.
    I am not saying this is prophetic, but as I am looking into these things, all the pieces are fitting together like I have never seen them fit together before. I have not heard much if any on anybody saying that satan will deceive people with a false tribulation, and if the timing above that Seppo and I have worked out is correct, then time is short. I know the Lord led me to this sight, and I think this is why.

    • Here it is again dru 🙂

    • hi Dru

      I was not following all the numbers above, especially about 1876 BC.

      I am sure satan has plans for 2012, as he does for every year.

      I have not advocated one particular year for a rapture or tribulation, although I have looked at possible times.

      anytime between 2011 and 2038. or maybe some other time.

      Christians should be ready for any time, since they do not know how long they, as individuals, will be here. For example, I may not be here next year, if I die. So 2012 would be the “end” for me.

      • Marianne
        I’m not so concerned about the dates as I am about the concept of a false tribulation, “so as to deceive the very elect”. The number above lead me to think that all the stuff in the media with regard to 2012 is “for a reason”?

        • hi dru

          The 2012 is the devil’s plan. God has a different one.

          Even the illuminati plan to take over by 2012, so that is their calendar also.

          I just watch for the antichrist. when he shows up then i know for sure.

        • Matthew 24:24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible NIV

          Matthew 24:21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. KJV

          *Hey Dru,

          Each translation indicates that it is not possible to deceive the elect….that is my impression. I think that Jesus was emphasizing how SERIOUS the deception will be…

          Again, I must emphasize how extremely important it is to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit….OR to put it another way, to ask G-d to POUR OUT HIS SPIRIT upon us so that we will NOT be deceived! The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of TRUTH and this is part of His role in our lives-to guarantee/to ensure we will NOT be deceived.

          Joel 2:28 “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.

          Acts 2:17″‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

  99. Hey Dru,

    Not sure what to write yet on the “false tribulation”. If you felt a “quickening” per se in your spirit then this is something to further research and pray about. I am not doubting you. I just haven’t received a confirmation in my spirit from the Holy Spirit regarding this.

    I will say that my first thought is “only those who have the Holy Spirit will know the truth” and will be able to discern the “false versus the real tribulation or anything else”.

    You may indeed be on to something. For me, I haven’t been able to focus much on what is going on…I tried to listen to that video of Caryl Mastriani a second time last night to see the connection between what you are talking about and what she is discussing and I was simply too tired to give it my best.

    There is so much going on right now it is almost difficult to take it all in as it is. We really have to PRAY and SEEK G-d for HELP and ANSWERS right now. This is what I have been feeling lately.

    • Lindsey
      I do not know what I would call it, but I know it is led by the Spirit. All those things which we were discussing above, the dates,etc with Seppo, I started to type with one intent, being that I am not usually a person concerned so much with the dates and times, my intent was to make light of it. But once i started to type, my hands could not keep up with my thoughts. Then when it came to coming up with the three different reasoning for the dates, It shocked me, for I had never thought of those things before. I had been playing around with the Numbers in daniel 12, and that is what originally led me to this sight, but I had never read or given any thought to the other two sets of numbers there. In fact, I wasn’t even sure how to answer Seppo’s question. Now I do know my history fairly well, and when some significant events took place, so I was playing around with 1260 days and 1948 relationship to dome of the rock, But the connection with three prophetic days, literal days and millenial days never ocurred to me before typing that.
      Now when I typed the part about a false tribulation, I had heard some people express something like it before, But when I began typing everything just began to fit, from how all the attention in the media with 2012, to political happenings, to how the sets of numbers began to fit together. Now my intent was to throw out a theory for Seppo so as to ilicit his response, but I was up all night thinking about how they all fit together afterward, and was gripped with concern for Christians of other sects that may easily be swayed by something like this. All my discussions and arguements with various people on this site as well as what is going on in my personal life, my dreams, and other aspects of the Lords calling in my life fell into place.
      I do not know if this constitutes a “quickening” as you put it, but I do not know if I even understand it myself. Being raised a baptist, we never talked about or even gave much credence to charismatic things like tongues and prophecy, so I do not even know what to look for. Let alone I do not even think i am knowledgable enough in theology to defend what I am saying.

      As for God’s calling or what I perceive as his calling for me.
      I have been a christian from a young age, being brought up in the church. I had a falling away from the institution of the church, but when that happened, was when I was regenerated, for the Lord through his grace dealt with my pride then. For the next 20 or so years, I basically lived for myself. I always knew I was a Christian but I drifted from the closeness I had with God during those times of regeneration. Basically I was my own master. When you/me are your own master, inevitably sin begins to creep back into my life, Sins that you do not know about began to pop up. eventually my world that I had built began to cave in around me. Economically, maritally, and all sorts of hardships etc. It was around that time, I finally called out to God and said I cannot do this. I gave him control of my life, and started to live by faith in him. He has been mending my life since. Disciplining me when I need it, building me up when I need it. There was one night where I was feeling particularly feeble, and was in prayer with God. I was questioning him as to how he could use someone like me? In response I opened my bible to The first verses I read were Isaiah 40:29-31, I laughed, especially the part about wings like eagles and running and not growing weary. (he does have a sense of humor). But then, as if responding to my laughter, he led my eyes to Isaih 21:9,10 and following. From that point on, his sanctifying work has been and is going on in my life at a pace it has never been before. It is like being on a thrill ride where you get to what you think might be the top, only to find another twist or dip in front of you.

      At any rate I wandered off the topic a bit there, but If this is prophetic? It scares me, if it is false, it scares me even more!
      As I said, I am no prophet, or biblical scholar for that matter, I am just trying to understand what the endtimes hold for us Christians. Where he leads me though, I must follow?

      • Hey dru,

        just read this….after I posted the other stuff about the blood moons and matthew 24:24. And as marianne knows well, I can get overzealous when it comes to the Holy Spirit! 🙂 LOL

        That is awesome what you are describing. After I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit the scriptures “came alive” for me and I was able to understand well how the scriptures were INSPIRED by the Holy Spirit!

        Continue to submit to Him and I will agree with you in prayer that you will be FILLED with the Holy Spirit!! In Yeshua’s NAME! Jesus is the one you ask 🙂

        These links are helpful too:

        Matthew 3:11″I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. (Jesus will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire)

        John 20:20…The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

        21Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit 🙂

  100. Marianne and others.
    I am going to give you what I think is biblical proof for the false tribulation. I understand that many of you have interpreted these verses in a different way before, as have I. But I ask you to look withan open mind and perhaps you will see what I am seeing. I will start with matthew and break it down phrase by phrase.

    Matthew 24:4 “And Jesus answered them; “see that no one leads you astray” Jesus is warning of deception here. Being led implies a leader or shepherd.
    5. “For many will come in My name, saying ‘I am the Christ’ and they will lead many astray” Obviously, this implies multiple deceptions, But I also want to explore another explanation. The word “many” brought me to Mark 5:9 “and Jesus asked him ‘what is your name?’ He replied, ‘my name is Legion, for we are MANY.'” Now I do not know for certain which it is many as in multiple or many as in the demonic spirit? I thought I would put this out there for you to ponder.
    6.” and you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are NOT ALARMED, for this must take place, BUT THE END IS NOT YET.” From this it is implied that what Jesus is saying is before the endtimes, or final week. Again he warns not to be alarmed.
    7. “For nation will rise against nation, and Kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places.” Now some amongst us say that these refer to the seven seals of revalation and I agree with that assumption. If this is true, then the first four seals take place before the tribulation, for verse 8 states…
    8. “All these are but the beginning of the birth pains” This clearly puts all those “tools” at the use of the demonic to lead people astray before the tribulation.

    Verses 9 “THEN they will deliver you up to TRIBULATION…” He then goes on to describe the fifth seal and the persecution of the church. This marks the beginning of the final week.
    14. “And the Gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throuout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.” I believe this is refering to the end for the church, and not the end of the tribulation. Remember we are on the fifth seal here. Note there is no mention of a great earthquake or dimming of the sun that accompany the sixth seal here.

    Verses 15-28, now go into detail about the last 3.5 years of the tribulation. This is primarily for the Jews (Elect nation) that is left behind, and those who become Christian after the “testimony of the church” before it is taken away. (This being taken away may be in the form of the rapture or in the form of martyrdom, But if you read the description of the fifth seal in revalation, I believe it will be martyrdom or possibly both)
    Note verse 27, 28. This is th classic view of the day of the Lord, as a day of wrath, and note the storm analogies. You will find this throughout the prophecis of the Bible as signalling the End of the final week.

    Verse 29-31 Now jumps back to what he said in verse 14. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days (fifth seal), The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light…” Compare this with revalation 6:12ff and you will see the sixth seal. Verse 31 then talks of “gathering his elect”, I believe this is refering to Revalation 7:9ff. The great multitude and not the rapture.

    I wanted to get a little more in detail here, because the Bible has two sets of prophecies, one for the church NT, and one for the Jewish people (chosen nation). in studying prophecy, we must distinguish this. For example the 144000 sealed will be Jewish and not from the church. It also has references to in the Old Testament.

    Now we all know that Satan is the deceiver. I proposed in my comments above, that all this talk of 2012 is his way of deceiving the church that it is the start of the tribulation. Look at what is happening in the middle east, look at the credence the media is giving to mayan prophecy regarding that date. Look at the Mormons on TV saying it is here Store up your food. The islamic people claiming the Mahdi or 12th Imam is here etc. It is global, and it is “Many” false prophets.
    The culmination of this false tribulation is that there will be a war in which Israel is attacked. They will want you to believe this is the Gog and Magog war of Ezekial 38. for this war clearly takes place in endtimes just before the day of the lord (see Eze 38:22,23). But there is another war talked about in the bible. the psalm 83 war. (Hal lindsey is a big proponent of this) The result of this war will be Israel regaining large tracts of land from egypt and Assyria, to the point where Israel itself is a third portion of this new state. (Jeremiah 30:7-11) It will be followed by Daniels covenent with MANY (daniel 9:27). There is MANY again!

    So when this Covenet occurs, at the end of the psalm 83 war, “Many” or the Dragon, or satan,or the false prophet will give his Power to the beast, or the antichrist. The false peace of the first 3.5 years for Israel will be marked by reconstruction of the Temple, and persecution of christians who will deny that this Beast is the Christ. It will be as though the new Millenium has begun for Israel. a time of peace and Safety, for Israel, but persecution for Christians, because they will see that this person is not the messiah, only the false messiah. The Jewish people on the other hand will be deceived, because they will perceive the psalm 83 war as The day of the Lord, because they do not have the new testament prophecies to go by. This is the duality of prophecy which we must separate if we are to understand it. This is where the confusion in prophecy comes into the mix, and the divisiveness. There are two streams of prophecy, and both culminate in the final week in different ways.

    Listen to Jesus’ words, and do not be “alarmed” when these events are taking place. They are not the tribulation, but the work of a false prophet, Many false prophets, a Legion, so as to deceive the elect into thinking that the antichrist is the Christ. If the dates revealed to Seppo and I are correct, then 2012 will be the start of this deception. And 2019 the start of the real thing, the real tribulation.

    God bless, and I pray that you will be guided by the spirit of truth in your studies.

    • Hey Dru,

      Have you considered/factored in the solar/lunar eclipses occurring on all Jewish Feasts Days in 2014/2015?

      Matthew 24-AFTER the tribulation….the sun turns dark…the moon to blood and THEN you will see the SIGN of the SON OF MAN in the clouds……

      • Consider that the last time the solar/lunar eclipses occurred on Jewish Feasts days occurred was in 1493, 1949/1950 and 1967/1968.

        So we have:

        1493: Spain expelled Jews
        1949/1950: Israel became a nation/Fig Tree sprouted
        1967/1968: Jerusalem won/six day war
        2014/2015: ????

        “Such a phenomenon is rarely impossible, unless it was set up by Divine design. Mark
        looked back in history and noticed that the last time this set of four lunar eclipses
        occurred on Passover andS ukkot was in 1493, the year after Columbus sailed the
        ocean blue and Spain expelled all Jews.

        Mark is convinced that YHVH was telling the Jews that He was fully aware of their
        circumstances and that His hand is upon them! In that case, we wonder what is
        YHVH telling the Jews in the 1949 and 1967 lunar eclipses? And, as we look at the
        next seven years, we wonder, “What is YHVH telling Israel through the upcoming
        lunar eclipses in 2014/2015?” Is it possible that these are fulfilling Biblical
        prophecies? These signs are so rare and cannot be ignored”

        *the above link is VERY interesting-I have only looked over it briefly but I am looking forward to reading it in depth this evening….hoping 🙂


        I think the above site is worth looking over and considering with what you and seppo have. 🙂

      • Lindsey
        Matt. 24:36 “But concerning the DAY and HOUR no one knows not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the father only.” I am not trying to find an hour or a day here, because when and if we do, we are saying that either: 1. The bible lies. or 2. we know more than Jesus.

        That is the danger in going down that road, that I would not take.

        • Jesus references 2 things with that statement. First, the Feast of Trumpets is the holiday that “no one knows the DAY or HOUR that it begins”. This was a Jewish Idiom. He was talking to the Jews. Jesus answered their question, only WE didn’t catch it until we learned the Jewish culture and feasts! aha!

          *kinda like saying (if Jesus was American) “on that day the turkey will be chosen for a feast”…hmmmmm THANKSGIVING :)??!!
          So we now know it will be “thanksgiving”, only we don’t know which one!! aha!

          Second, there is another book in which Jesus references the same statement only this time it is in reference to the DAY and HOUR that the Earth passes away. I have to find that one….

          And third, just as no one knows the DAY or HOUR that the Feast of Trumpets begins each year, we do HOWEVER know now that Jesus was talking about the Feast of Trumpets/Rosh Hashana…..only we don’t know which one and which year.

          *so technically, yes, no one knows “the day or hour” but again, this was referencing a Jewish Feast day-Feast of Trumpets/Rosh Hashana

          Learn the Jewish Feasts Dru….this will open up a whole new world of understanding the prophecies!!! you will be WOWED! 🙂 LOL

          • day nor hour:

            they did not know one month from another either until the new moon. They had to watch for it to know the hour the month began.

            Also, they interject an extra month once in awhile because if the barley is not abib, they cannot have passover. that is another thing that throws off the timing, and makes it unpredictable.

        • Mark 13:31 HEAVEN AND EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY: but my words shall not pass away.
          32 ¶ BUT of THAT DAY and HOUR KNOWETH NO MAN, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

          Here, Jesus is talking about the heaven and earth passing away and no one knowing the day and hour it will happen…:)

  101. Marianne
    Another verse that came up. I peter 3:3,4,5
    “Knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4. They will say ‘Where is the promise of his coming? for ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.’ 5. For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water, BY THE WORD OF GOD,”

    As far as I know, Peter was writing to Jewish Christians. They are overlooking the WORD of God, or Jesus divinity. I believe that though we are dealing with these scoffers now, we will be dealing with them during and after this false tribulation even more. “where is your God?” “Where is your rapture? Where is your Messiah?” is what they will be asking. This will allow the Antichrist to “declare himself God” and utter blasphemies against God and get away with it.

    • dru

      It sounds like the world we like in now. False or true, trouble is trouble. There are those already dying for their faith in foreign lands.

      • I Agree, But it is nothing like it will be. We here in the west have largely been untouched….
        The goal of satan is turn as many away from God as possible.

  102. Mark 5:9 are spirits of demons/Nephilim talking to Jesus, and Jesus sends them into swine that run to the sea, and drown.

    • <>
      New International Version

      The Healing of a Demon-possessed Man

      1They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.a 2When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an evilb spirit came from the tombs to meet him. 3This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him any more, not even with a chain. 4For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.

      6When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. 7He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won’t torture me!” 8For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you evil spirit!”

      9Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”

      “My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.

      11A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. 12The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” 13He gave them permission, and the evil spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

      *I feel sorry for the pigs! LOL

    • But did the spirit die, or just the pigs?

  103. Hey everyone
    I know all this stuff about a false tribulation is a stretch. Especially the part about “many”. I do see two streams for endtime prophecy, and I see supposed experts mixing the two streams up constantly. What I am trying to do is figure out where one stream interfaces with the other. So far the two events I see are the abomination of desolation of Daniel/Matthew/Revalation, And the AntiChrist beast.
    If, as many believe, the rapture removes Christians from the Earth before the day of wrath, then, the prophecies pertaining to the church end at a different point than those regarding the Israel. Using this reasoning, there are also many prophecies that pertain to Israel only, and not the church. It is this that concerns me. Will the Israelites be duped by the antichrist? Will he not try to get them to believe he is the messiah? And how many people in the church, who do not fully understand the Gospel will be led astray by their false shepherds.
    It is concern for these souls, that I need to pursue this possibility.

    Now for some questions for you: You are always claiming 2015/16 as the year, but the year for what? The rapture? The start of tribulation? the end of the final week? where do you get that date?

    • dru

      I personally do not know what will happen in 2015. I just wish I didn’t have to be here. With the Illuminati planning the crash of the dollar by 2012, the future looks awful.

    • Hey Dru,

      I don’t know what is going to happen in 2014/2015 other than that G-d is signaling us by using the eclipses and tetrads and placing them on Jewish Feast days. He signaled us before in the same way in the dates I provided. I presented the information to you so that you can include that in your study, for I know without doubt these upcoming events in 2014/2015 are relevant-they will not occur on Jewish Feast days anymore in this century.

      And then understanding that the Feast of Trumpets/Rosh Hashana is the one HIGH HOLY DAY that No man knows the day nor hour it begins is relevant as well.

      Feast of Passover and Feast of Trumpets are the NEW MOON holidays.

      • Lyndsey2015 would be the mid point of my proposed false tribulation as well. Aka sixth seal. Now look also at who is promoting this 2012 doomsday concept. Hollywood, muslims, illuminati,mormons, masons,the occult, and its based on a pagan prophecy. Are they concerned about us Christians? or are they trying to lead people astray?

        Just don’t get your hopes up that you are being raptured, in 2015, when they come and pick you up in UFO’s or something? I know this stuff is out there, but keep it in the back of your head just in case, because it is going to look alot like the the real thing. I may even be wrong on the dates, and it is the real thing, but I doubt it.

        • Hey Dru,

          Never said I would be raptured in 2015…and those being “caught up” are sealed and G-d would not allow anyone or anything to touch us; lift us up per se. 🙂

          G-d has shown me the “rapture” twice and I never saw any UFOs…just saying 🙂 LOL

          He showed me that the Holy Spirit-HIS SPIRIT is the one who lifts us up. The same power that raised Jesus from the dead is the same power that gathers His elect. I ran across the scripture that explains this after I had the dreams…:)

          So, anyone who is a child of G-d, who is sealed until the day of redemption should not worry about a “false” catching away into a UFO….remember, we are sealed for a reason.

          • correction…the angels gather the elect while the Holy Spirit’s power lifts us.

            • I know what you are saying, I was just reading the blue beam thing and ufo’s, so that came to mind. I understand that those who are in Christ will not be fooled. Its the others that I worry about.

              • I agree. Those who are do not have the spirit of Christ will be fooled. It is frustrating to say the least. There is only so much we can say and do.

                I am remembering a movie that shows all the people on top of their office buildings with signs begging the “aliens” to beam them up! ha!

                In the last days people will confuse evil for good and vice versa. The same applies to truth for lies and vice versa. They are given over to a delusion.

                Isaiah 5:20Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

                Isaiah 30:10 They say to the seers, “See no more visions!” and to the prophets, “Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions.

                New International Version

                The Man of Lawlessness

                1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for [that day will not come] until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessnessa is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

                5Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

  104. You won’t be raptured you brain-washed imbecile. Hopefully you just keel over while you’re turning tricks for your pastor you filthy lying slut. Why don’t you tell us how many abortions you’ve had or how many lynchings you’ve participated in or how many guys you’ve f**ked for money? Now that would make for some interesting conversation. I bet your p**sy is the size of Texas and you’ve f**ked everybody in Texas. And you really should stop fucking your children that’s disgusting. But that’s what you are, a lying holier-than-thou prostitute with 10,000 kids with different fathers and welfare. You’ve never been a true Christian and one day you’ll be exposed for the hack you are. Then your dirty disgusting soul (if you have one) will go to HELL where witches belong. And your inbred kids will keep making inbred babies until they go to hell after dying from drug overdoses like the redneck white trash you all are.

    • I have 2 children. I have never had an abortion. I am a Christian, not a liberal.

    • Hey Christina,

      What has hurt your soul so badly? Why is your spirit so broken?

      When I read your words I sense a tremendous amount of pain. You came to the right place if you need help. If it is too painful and private to expose on a public forum, you are able to ask for help in private email.

      Just know that Jesus LOVES YOU! HE died FOR YOU! He was raised from the dead so that you would be FREE….there is absolutely nothing that you could do that is not covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. All you have to do is ask Him to help you; to forgive you and to give you peace.

  105. go to hell christina! MORON!!!

  106. Marianne
    You do not have a post on here about mormon prophecies, and end times, Do you? I did a search, but came up with none.

    • hi dru

      No, I don’t have anything on Mormons. I do not feel informed enough to write on that. If i get around to studying them, I might do something in the future.

  107. Had a friend who is mormon dru….they believe in wierd stuff…..chackra? Aliens….G-d being an alien….wierd wierd wierd….juss sayin

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  109. Marianne
    When I hit the reply button to leave a response to someone’s comment, My previous reply comes up even from the previous day. I then have to go and erase it via the backspace button. A lenghthy process on those longer replies. Is there a shortcut to delete your previous reply, or a way that you can get an empty reply box when you open it? It is quite annoying.

    • That happens to me now too Dru.
      It’s a pain in the tush huh? LOL.

      • Alientated and Dru

        This happens to me too.

        This is a construct of WordPress, not me, so I cannot change what it is doing.

        I can try to contact support and see if they can fix this.

  110. LOL, hey Marianne,
    I don’t think that either Dru or I wanted you to think we were saying that it was your fault.
    But it is still a pain in the tush. 🙂

  111. Marianne,
    Could you cancel out the post I just made on the Global Intifada. I meant to sent a music video and ended up sending it on my e mail page.


  112. Marianne,


  113. Marianne,
    I thought my post had been taken off, but it wasn’t. It is comment #48497 under Global Infatada that needs to be taken off. Our e mail accounts are compromised. Sorry for the hassle.


  114. Marianne,

    Thank you, sorry for being such a pain!!

    • LOL,
      Whoa, I bet that freaked you out for a while huh Al?
      You never know what sort of nut bars could have been contacting you? Geez, it could have even been the likes of me. lol.
      Glad Marianne got a handle on that for you so you can relax.

      Be Blessed

      • Alineated,

        Good to hear from you. You guys having my e mail isn’t that big of a thing, it was the business nature of some of the e mails that had me concerned. Always enjoy hearing from everyone. I make it a point to try and never let a vigorous discussion become a grudge. So, like I said above, it is always good to hear from you. I was wondering if it would be okay to call you “Alien” from now on. Ya know writing out the whole thing each time gets kind of tedious!!!!

        Take Care My Brother

        • Hey Al,

          There is someone new here (Malia) that I am discussing some theories about on the Enoch and Elijah page, that took the liberty to simply reply with “A”. lol.
          Which is just fine with me.
          Heck you can call me “Putz” as long as it’s said with love. lol. So whatever works for you is cool.

          Be Blessed brother

  115. Marianne
    I posted a comment to Jespana on the “2014-2019 page”, but it did not come up. Is it lost to “comment heaven” or can it be brought back up some how? I really hate typing!

  116. Thank you Marianne

  117. Hi Marianne, I’m a married mother of 2 & 48 years old. I’m a Christian. I’ve always had very active dreams. But since this past fall after I very actively sought truth from scripture I belierve God is giving me prophectic dreams & visions. They are usually upon waking. I aslo have been given scriptures as well. Strangely, my Pastor & his sister whom I feel very spiritually connected to have had dreams on the subject of our first church we all attended as children. Their father was pastor at the time. that old church is down the street from our present church. It just was too old to maintain and since it was a historial building it was donated to the town’s historial society. Now my dream: I dreamt I was around 5 standing in front of the church with my Mom. There were people going up the front steps but they were dressed in like the victorian period. I was refusing to go in because I saw behind the steps a black coffin sticking up out of the ground, open with a skeleton showing. Behind it was a horseless old carriage tipping down. Then it flashed to present day where I was standing on the top of cement steps looking down in to a dark basement or room. I was with the pastor’s wife & Mother. The Mom went down the steps and stuck out her hand into the dark. I warned her not to cause she could get hurt. Then she got sratched on the hand by something. then the pastor’s wife started to sing like on a platform.It seemed like a song of protection. then I was 5 again, standing alone on the side of the church looking up. I saw a dark image hovering above the church & I wouldn’t go in. then I woke up.
    the very same week the pastor and his sister had dreams about the old church. HIs: He was in the church with some man he didn’t know who needed help getting a box out of the church. He was told to go up to the balcony to get something to help. He didn’t find it. On his way down the steps they disappeared and he started falling into a dark hole where he felt demons and evil. He prayed and pulled himself out with a great struggle and once he got his hand out the front door he woke up.
    His sisters: She was on a rise of a misty hill sort of bound up. then she was in the old church bound up with something around her crawling and trying to get to the front door. the doorway became a iron gate and she was trying to get out. somehow she got out.
    Before the three dreams happened I was having others and sharing them with them both. All three of us didn’t know that we were having those dreams util the week after. One of the dreams I had before was this: I was in church with others and the pastor got on the pulpit and said “at 3 o’clock in the morning the 3rd. seal was broken.” He had a hugh scab on his nose to his brow. Then it flashed to us downstairs where I was walking down the hallway. Everyone was is small groups in the seperate rooms trying to figure out what we needed to do. Then it flashed to upstairs again. the pastor had he hands out over someone kneeling and he was casting out a spirit that was there from the beginning or very start. We were watching. then I woke up. I shared this dream with the pastor, his wife and sister. His wife said thats funny I had a dream last week we were coming from someone home where they just did an exorcism. Our church is not a very charismatic one so this sort of stuff doesn’t really go on. the pastor listened and then the next week, he thanked me for sharing this dream, that he couldn’t really go into detail, but the he felt that the Holy Spirit was speaking to him thru this dream. A few weeks later, our youth pastor was as to step down as deacon, He and his family who left the church.
    More to tell. But wow. . We felt lead to have a special prayer meeting at the old church. We prayed, read scriptures, had communion and anointed the place with oil. We renounced, reject and asked God to bind any spirits from all previous and present day. I researched more of the history and found that they was a spirit of division right from the beginning.
    a few years before the youth pastor left there were 3 families that left. One of thd women I believe had the spirit of Jezabel and her husband Ahab. I’ d like to share more. Maybe I should call you if possible. Thks

    • hi Darlene

      It sounds like you and your pastor had been given a subconscious impression as children about this old church, and problems it had.

      Words spoken at the time, or something you saw but did not understand.

      It may not have been explained to you at the time, because you were young.

      Now, after all this time, the memories return.

      Apparently, not all was well at the church, and now there is a burden for you and others to pray and discover what it was.

      It may have left a negative oppression on you of some sort.

      And now that you are adults, you can dig deeper to discover the problem, and see what effect they had on you, and finally be free from them.

      Physically going back, praying and facing the problems head on is a good and wise idea.

  118. Thank you Marianne. thats a very interesting thought, one we didn’t consider. After I had the dream about the Pastor casting out a spirit from the beginning i asked God what it meant. I felt He said it was about a person now in the church( the youth pastor hadn’t left yet & I was unaware of any problems) and also a spirit within in the church from the very beginning. After the dream of the old church, i was at the library next to the new church having coffee with the youth pastors wife.(they hadn’t left the church yet) She was checking out a book & there on the counter was a book for sale about the history of the town. I quickly purchased it with the intention of showing the old pictures to my mom. that night I shared my old church dream to the pastor’s wife and learned of the pastors and then his sisters dream. Next day, in the history book was a picture of our old church and information of it orginial founders. Some head stones whom i looked up. Some of the orginial founders of the church were from a sect called the Rogerines. They fled New England due to religious persecution. They didn’t believe in Sunday Sabbath. They felt the they should be able to worship God on any day and not be told by law they had to be at church on Sunday. I looked into how the Church ruled back then and wow. The colonies were just like the King and England ruling over people with the law to force religion where, when & how people must worship God. The Rogerines fought it. They were imprisoned, beaten and died as well. The followeres left Mass. and feld to our area. They came into Sunday services and disrupted it. I felt God leading me on a bread trail through history. All the way back to the time of when Rome took over Christianity. The Rogerines were decendents of the Quakers. Quakers, came from the movement from John Wycliff’s followeres, the Lollards. They believed the commom person should be able to read the bible & fought the romanization of Christianity. Very interesting stuff.

    I believe that this was what God wanted me to see. The corruption of His Bride. Why was Christianity transformed and united with Paganism ? To please the roman converts? Back then, the first followers of Christ didn’t believe it should be all blended together. Let see we have the Jew’s who didn’t believe in Jesus as Messiah, the Jew’s who did, pagans, and gentiles who converted to Christ. I wonder if Jesus was still there what would He have done about it? Today what does He want us to do about it?

    Do we really know God as how He wants us to? God of Abrahm, Issac and the Living or have we defined Him & changed Him into our image of Him to fit the way we want to live?

    Marianne, take a good look at what and why the Church age believes. I have felt the sadness of the Holy Spirit through all this. He is grieving the loss of God’s truth and taking away His Lampstand from some churchs. It is a battle to know God as He wants us to. To live in His truth and come out of the darkness. I feel this battle for my church. I have had feelings during services of a hovering hindering spirit trying to hypnotize people so they can’t hear any truth. I see & feel the numbness. I aked God to let me see what He needs me to so He can use me to bring Glory to Him. During prayer, eyes closed I see the battle through a cloud of pink and pray for the Holy Spirit to battle and then I see a growing whiteness. I also took pictures of the old church after the prayer service and one other time, and there is a pink image coming out of the top of the church with a white orb on top. The other picture shows a pink image between the trees over the church. I wonder what that all means!

    Please pray for our church’s protection and for God to reveal what He needs to bring Glory to Him. thanks

    • Darlene
      The struggle you are describing goes back millenia. It is the struggle between True believers, and those who “creep in unaware”. It is a battle that will not end until Judgement day, and this I believe is part of your calling. It almost seems as if there is more evil in the churches than there is in the world, as evil tends to gravitate to where the truth is pronounced.

      Each time one of these “spirits” enter a church, they eventually divide it. Oneness, However, comes from knowing God and sharing in our walk with him. The only head the Body of Christ has is Christ himself. The stream of Christianity which opposed the Roman church, is what kept the flame from totally extinguishing, it is on their shoulders, and sacrifice that we stand.
      May the Spirit of truth guide you.

    • hi Darlene

      Again, it sounds like there is a residual spirit present from one church, which may influence the next one.

      Prayer for cleansing is what you need. Talk to your pastor about a group prayer session and a re-dedication.

  119. Ok Thank you for your insight given by the Holy Spirit. I will talk to my Pastor about it.
    this spirit has and is attacking my family as well. I have had dreams of and invisible force coming thru a field of tall grass attacking me and my husband. The following dream was about me and a friend following someone who said they knew the way to where we needed to go. We followed them in a car up a winding hill. the road ended and then we were standing on a cliff. I asked the person why they lead us here and he pushed my friend down the cliff. then I grabbed the persons face and screamed why did you do this! You killed her! I then rebuked the evil spirit and commanded it by the Holy Spirit to come out of the person. Then out of their mouth flew an invisible force and went into a stream of water. then I woke up. the difference noted in this dream was that I felt God giving me atthority over this spirit. My heart was not racing and I wasn’t scared when I woke up. This dream happened the night after our first meeting at church to discuss what we were being led by God to do about our dreams. that night my husband was very arguementive and he got so angry that I rebuke the spirit of anger in him. He stopped immediately and was offended.

    I’ve dreamt of tornados alot. The last 2 were different. I dreamt I was talking to my pastor’s wife at church and over her shoulder in the next room was a small black tornado. the 2nd. I was running to my husband on the other side of a field and a clear tornado materialized and started to lift me up. I woke up then.

    The lastet dream: I was with church people needing to get back and we didn’t know how. One woman from our church said she knew. Next scene we were all standing on a bridge with water rising up and we were trapped. I looked up and in the sky were hundreds of grayish white large birds just hovering there above us. I asked this woman what they were and she said they were from the sea. Then the birds swarmed and formed two seperate signs in the sky. One a u shape and the other like an arrow or the shape of the birds head. then i woke up. My son was down the shore at this time and was to be returning in the next day. When he got home he told me he had seen this woman and family down the shore. I said thats wierd because I just had a dream about her. I’m not sure about this dream. If it was a warning of something going wrong with my son down the shore or something about this woman God was showing me. I”m praying about it.

    Before my dreams of the old church, I would have visions when waking up of like someone changing the channel. Like a picture of fast moving clouds around the bright sun. when I got to church the next sunday, the very first song/video was this picture of clouds. Other stuff happens too. Like I sent friends a mother’s day text about God being the maker of our hearts etc…I got to church that sunday, first song was Make of out Heart.
    One dream was about me with church people standing along side of a road saying aloud Ps 23 while Islamic people where marching. right before that scene there was warfare going on and we were hiding in church. I found out a few days later that churchs in the south were letting Islamic people use there churches for their sevices to worship Allah. I felt the meaning of that dream was for the churches to be on guard and not be deceived. To know the truth and the True Living God who is very jealous and will punish those who don’t worship Him alone.

    My neighbors are struggling with something I’ve sensed for quite some time. Last week I asked God what spirit has hold of them and I had a dream of being in their living room. On their tv a show was playing. I couldn’t tell what it was, but in the screen, not part of the show, there were black demons spinning fast around the picture screeching. then I woke up. I think God was confirming that they are in bondage by evil.
    A few years back I saw in one of their rooms a very evil looking gargole face hanging up. I started praying for them then.
    All these dreams want me to know God for who he really is. Not how man has defined Him. He is so much more than we can image or be taught about. We have to let Him be in every part of our body, mind and soul then let Him show us who He is.

    Before I go to sleep I pray for God to protect me, family and church. I give Him complete control over my dreams and when I’m awake. I ask for Him to let nothing evil in to my dreams and my families as well. For God’s glory alone I pray.
    God Bless you all. Darlene ps sorry so long…I feel led to share all this.

    • hi Darlene

      It sounds like there are a lot of negative spiritual influences around to plague you and others. I would suggest to you and your pastor to fast and pray about all this, and wait on the Lord to show a new direction.

      You are sensitive to dark spirits, so you are alert to them. and you seem to be praying against them as well. So you are on the right track.

      The mystery of the church needs to be known. Hopefully, you will discover what it is, so you can put it to rest.

      • Dear Marianne or someone reading this please get a message to the Kings of Jerusalem about teen Rhianna Nichole Powell for help from ministering angels. Shoresh David & Ron Leaf stands as a witness for her recovery. i will cooperate with Godly authority and the Messianic Jewish Alliance and Victory Baptist Church in Tampa and give names of witches/agents that think that God doesn’t see them commit crimes. i will cooperate for the release of those entrapped by deception of end time witchcraft after being delivered/ exorcised from Tracy at New Beginnings according to Jeremiah and other bible scriptures.

        • This is how the deception has worked for criminal activity since around 2008 to achieve maximum effect when a felon who cannot be named was released from a Florida prison-Lake CI empowered with powers. Astral spirits, hackers, witches, or mind control spirits or pychics are sent ahead to go visit the targets first in their sleep or dreams even Christians or they’re bound by their phone or computer

          • The God i serve/obey according to Matthew 4:10 is bigger than what i’ve done to these people in the spirit or the physical and With the help of the end time witchcraft prayers and the directive that I must obey Matthew 4:10 and Since the God of Mt. Zion has told me to release those human souls especially children in captivity from false realms/kingdom. i will comply to release them and this female soul that i’m using without consciously giving permission as inspiration/muse that started with a prayer from Paul Hollis at New Beginnings where the spirit of jezebel/blasphamy/Antichrist purposely remained hidden from the deliverance team during deliverance. This was to provide churches that don’t have the true holy spirit for those without real truth, sermons controlled or downloaded by technology, for political progress, & entertainment but they will need divine help b/c of spiritual/physical limits. The tampa community has apologized corporately especially in this case and for children. This mind control activity has not been relegated to just Tampa notice how most news worthy stories originate from Florida.

  120. thanks Marianne. I advise everyone to fast before the prayer meeting. Our tummies were growling like crazy while we were praying. but I will speak to the Pastor about weekly fasting and specific prayer for the Lord’s direction about our church. Thanks for the advice.

    Do you have any insight into some of those wacky dreams!?!

    • hi Darlene

      My last comment indicated a synopsis of what I thought your dreams were telling you.

      The Lord has told me to fast also, about upcoming issues in the church and country and the world. I will start this Monday – Av 1 on the hebrew calendar – I hope I can last until the 9th of Av.

      I will keep you in mind during this time.

      I think it is time to “clean up” the house of God.

      • Marianne
        I am in agreement. I will be “immersing” my self in God’s Word and prayer. I have already begun this. I will try the fasting as well. Not sure how long I will last though? My prayer will be for an awakening in the church for what is at hand. That they will not be caught “unaware”.

  121. The God i serve according to Matthew 4:10 gave me power and will take it away. I will do what he’s commanded b/c i’m a coward that attacks children, the broken, and weak but in the end they shall be redeemed by the Christ according to the Beatitudes especially the poor in spirit. Some of them never gave permission or they’re spiritually or physically deficient considered a spiritual violation.

    • spirit ruling Tracey

      You are a demon and I do not associate or fellowship with demons. I cover my self and this website with the blood of Jesus, and rebuke you in Jesus name.

  122. I rebuke this spirit also in the name of Jesus Christ. By the power of the Holy Spirit I remove any and all authority that it thinks it has gained by posting on this site. I pray a prayer of protection by the Holy Spirit to all who have read these postings & for Marianne who runs this website. To God be the Glory Alone. For He has already won this battle. For Greater is He that is in you, that is the Jesus Christ, than he that is in the world. In the name of Jesus you are bound and cast away into darkness never to return again you foul and invasive spirit. Christ is my King and it is Him who I serve… I’m under the protection of the Blood of Jesus Christ and I give no authority to any spirit of darkness from the enemy to enter my life while I’m awake or asleep. The Holy Spirit is my sheild and protector. Darlene

    • Amen. Thanks Darlene. This spirit sends email in my name using my email address, and has been emailing ministries around the country and in Israel, and I get responses saying they are responding to my message. I have to write back and tell them that I did not send the email, Tracy did.

  123. Hi Marianne, How is the fast going? I pray that God is close and I know He is working His Will.

    Felt you should know that I’ve gotten confirmation about a couple dreams I’ve had recently. the one about my neighbors with the screaming demons in their TV. Well out of the blue the other day, they decided to ask us to watch their cat while they go away for the next 3 days. We haven’t really spoken all that often over this last year other than a quick wave and breif conversation so I was suprised they had asked. I’m not suprised that God lead them to ask us. Well after we fed the kitty I saw on their wall a wooden pentagram in their livingroom. It had an incanation inscribed on the outer edge of it. I turned to see another gargole and it was facing this pentagram. I prayed right away for protection from Jesus and the Holy Spirit to cover me and my family. Then I rebuked the evil spirits and asked God to bind them. WOW! God confirmed my dream that they have a strong spiritual battle going on. We have to go there for the next 3 days and I will bring my bible and pray. I especially feel led to anoint their little girls room with oil and pray for cleansing of their room and for protection over them. Can you please pray as well? Thanks

    Oh the other dream…about the hovering birds from the sea that swarmed to form 2 symbols in the sky and about the person we followed who my son saw down the shore. I shared my dream with this person and asked if any thing strange happened down the shore. She said nothing odd but that she was at the same resort as my son and saw him a few times. Then a few minutes later she said one of her daughters returned to the shore and went to a palm reader with her friends. She said this physic was very specific with her daughter about many details in her life. she warned her daughter not to pay any attention to it or mess with it because it was from a realm of darkness. I told this mom that her daughter has opened a door to evil spirits and she must pray and renouce this. And ask forgiveness and for God to fill her with His Spirit. i told her that her daughter has shared with me in the past about being very frightened at night feeling physically attacked by something. I advised her daughter then if she had any dealings with the occult that she must pray and renouce it. I told this mom this and how very important it is she pray with her daughter about this. The person is the wife of a deacon in our church. She said she has never had this kinda of conversation with her daughters about this kind of stuff. Now here’s a family in leadership of our church. Both kids have been in Sunday School, girls midweek program and youth group and this has never been discussed. this is very concerning to me and it’s no wonder the enemy has a hold on our church. God is trying to reveal this to us I believe.

    One other question. Should Christians see movies like Harry Potter or read books like that? i believe no. That we should have nothing to do with evil. But I was wondering what you thought? by the way our Pastors family went to see this movie recently and that gave my an uneasing feeling.

    God Bless you. Almightly is our Father who is doing wonderous works!

    • hi Darlene

      The fast is fine. god is giving me calmness through it. Normally I would be nervous and hungry, but that seems to be under control ( his of course, not mine).

      It sounds like the dreams helped you to prepare for what was really there.

      People should stay away from anything of the dark side. It opens doors for more problems later. The pastor has very little discernment if he thinks this is ok, and I would be prepared to leave there soon, if he keeps doing this. If he cannot rule in holiness over his own family, then he should not rule over a church.

  124. Thanks for the insight. Glad you are being substained by the Holy Spirit.

    About ruling in holiness, this is why my son left the church last year. After expressing to the church a number of times how he felt it was not following God’s truths completely, he had a dream of God telling him to come out. His dream was about him in church and everyone was doing and saying things that the bible says are sinful and he kept telling them not to because it was against God’s word. They said, no its ok to do these things now and wouldn’t stop. Then he heard God say to him, “come out”.

    First he left the youth group because he didn’t feel the right spirit in control there. I know God led him out of that, because if he was still a part of it when the youth pastor left it would have been an even more confusing situation. So God protected him and I well in advance. Praise God.

    I’m waiting on God to show me if and when He wants me to leave my church. I know the emeny has been trying for a number of years to break my connection with them. It almost broke my marriage apart. My husband doesn’t attend there anymore though goes to father & child activities once a year.

    I told my pastor the farther that we step away from anything to do with the kingdom of darkness the clearer we can see it.

    May God Bless you and your family. He has blessed me with you to share all this with. Not many would have the spiritual gift of understanding these things. If you would like me to pray for you about anything I would be blessed to.

    Isaiah 26:3 “Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee”

  125. Marianne
    Your last comment on the Immanuel page shows your “true colors”. (Blue is missing)
    I hope you will Take the time to reread our comments again. I am sorry if I misjudged you with regard to the demon thing, but the error in your thought process and the fact that you defended it with Vitriol shows your Haughtiness. My rebuke of your belief still stands. A lamb posted a list of all the apostles, and Jesus words to show that Jesus was God. Jesus is the “I am”. I will be praying for you. In Godly Love, Goodbye.

    You can remove me from your prayerlist and E mail list. Good Luck .

    • Marianne,
      I was taken aback by your hostility also. You added to the Word by saying Word #1 and Word #2, and then turned around and accused all 3 of us falsely of doing that plus a lot of other things in caustic language. Even if I WAS ignorant or lacking in reading/comprehension skills/understanding, it wouldn’t make me less of a person in God’s sight. Mentally or intellectually challenged people are welcome in my life and on my sites and I would never speak to them (or anyone else) in that manner. That said, dru and Alamb are two extremely intelligent and articulate people, as I’m sure you realize, making your rant all the more odd. And I don’t believe I am lacking in my grasp of English either.

      Normally, when a verse is introduced in discussion on a thread like this, others add with their thoughts. That was all I was doing with John 8:58. I honestly didn’t know if you would agree or not. Most people would have said, “Yes, I’m aware of that…how cool!” or “I differ because [insert reason]…” not come back with “that is really stupid.”

      I won’t be back either, but I want to say to dru and Alamb…I will see you in the kingdom of heaven. 🙂

  126. Dru and Sissy,

    Colossians 2:2-3
    that their hearts may be encouraged, having been knit together in love, and attaining to all the wealth that comes from the full assurance of understanding,—-*resulting in a true knowledge of God’s mystery, that is, Christ Himself, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.*

    I love you my brother and sister.

    Resting in our Shepherd.

  127. DRU ALAMB and Sissy

    You cannot read or interpret what I said.

    I am not vitriolic…calling someone names like you have is.

    I quoted scriptures, Alamab gave his interpretations of other scriptures, but would not address the ones I gave. He added his words and interpretation to what was said.

    I have already said Jesus was divine. what do you think that means?

    Jesus is the son of God, who is one with his Father – what do you think that means?

    Why was every quote I gave from Jesus ignored?

    My defense is the word of God. If the Word offends you and you avoid certain scriptures, then you have an issue that is more important than your criticisms of other. I gave a list of scriptures and they were avoided.

    As far as Word #1 and # it is obvious in

    John 1:1 that there are two Words…..because the Word was with God.

    It does not say the Word was with himself……the word was WITH God.

    When A is with B , that means both A and B are present.

    Sissy, your un-intelligent comments indicate you do not belong here. You do not belong on a site that requires analytical and academic thought.

    Dru, and Alamb, you have religious spirits, that attack believers.

    I am most surprised at dru, who I thought had been zealous in discussion, although he was having problems getting his point across at times to others. In many things we agree.

    WE do not agree now, because of this impression that I am aligned with Taus, someone I actually rebuked on site, and stated a strong position with in case of Christ.

    So if you decide to leave that is fine.

    If you get past this, you can stay.

    I am patient with people who may say things wrong., but when they enter into constant misinterpretations and start passing judgment, then I know what spirit they are.

    THis is a forum for intelligent debate…..not stone throwing.

    I devote over 60 hours a week to the gospel, hoping to educate people about Jesus, the gospel, the end times, and how we need jesus for salvation. I am ready to die for Him. Many times before, I almost did.

    MY goal is to have God use me to reach as many people as possible. If people want to come on this site, and create trouble by making false and stupid remarks, pushing others away, then I have to say something.

    It is not my opinion that I am defending. It is the work that God has given me to do that I defend.

    If this work is attacked, then the attacker does not need to be here. It is the work of the enemy working through flesh.

    Religious spirits are something even Jesus could not tolerate. I cannot do it either.

    MY goal is to glorify him, and not spend time justifying myself to religious spirits.

    • Marianne
      Saying Jesus is the “Son of God who is one with the Father” (which he is) or divine (which he is as are the angels) Is different from saying He is Equal with God (Phil 2:6-8) and fully God. So is Paul in Philippians saying there are 2 equal Gods? This contradicts Monotheism/Judaism. You use the words from the Bible, but even Satan quoted the Bible when tempting Christ. You are twisting John 1:1-2 to fit your interpretation. So when you say Jesus is the Son of God, and divine, This description can also fit that of a fallen angel. In the book of enoch, and Genesis, these fallen angels are called “sons of God” and they are also divine beings. But they are not God. And they did not exist from the Beginning. What you should say Is that Jesus is the “Only BEGOTTEN Son of God” Meaning the only one of its kind. And he is God incarnate (in Human form).

      With regard to Taus. You did not rebuke Taus on this site. You merely said you are “not one with him”. In fact, you a human, rebuking a fallen angel is akin to blasphemy. That is why I Pointed you to 2 Peter 2. Even Michael in fighting with Satan said “The LORD rebuke you” so as not to blaspheme. Yet you said “someone I rebuked”. If Taus is the spirit of a fallen angel, then I suggest you repent.

      Now Marianne, there have been several occasions when I have pointed out an error in what you have said, and via personal Email you have acknowledged this error, and made the corrections on your post. I can understand you doing this in private, so as to not discredit yourself on the site. The point is that you personally acknowledged this error. These were acts of Humility on your part, though no one else saw them. On this issue however, we are told in the Bible to “Confess that Jesus Christ is Lord” (Yahweh) with our mouths (or words as this case may be). If you are a Christian this should not be hard to do. I know it may make you “look bad” in the eyes of the world, But in the Eyes of God it is counted as righteousness. I think I speak for all three of us in saying that if you acknowledge him, we will celebrate with you and give glory to God. We are told to forgive one another as Christ forgave us, and I have forgiven you already for your words against me. Please try and understand that this is one of those “uncompromisable” beliefs of a “true Christian”. You are not serving the same Jesus if you do not acknowledge this!

      In Godly Love

      • dru

        You do not know what I said to Taus offline and have missed something onine. Notice he is no longer coming here. There is a reason. I may allow someone to begin with, but if they cross the line, then they are gone.

        I have atheists, agnostics, muslims, and other non-believers come here. It is my hope that they can glean some kernel of truth in a simple discussion.

        Maybe a seed planted here will grow later into a harvest. So I may use special ways of handling their presence and comments, hoping to make a difference in the long run.

        I may communicate with this person to let them reveal ideas or information, so I or others can respond. The way I do this is up to me. It does not mean I jump into agreement with anyone. I try to be diplomatic and objective, until that crossed line occurs. THen I have to do something.

        I have declared Jesus Christ is Lord on over 500 posts on this site.

        WHere did you miss that.?

        I have never indicated Jesus was a fallen angel. that is a horrible thing to say.

        I said Jesus is the Son of God….that is an accurate statement. He called himself that , and it is not blasphemy.

        He is the alpha and omega, one with the father since before the beginning of time.

        you are human, as your father is human..

        Jesus is divine, as his Father is divine.

        same substance…..same holiness….same God.

        You are intentionally trying to distort what I say. That is an action of a religious spirit. Please be careful.

        My point that was missed:

        Jesus is “equal with God,” but Jesus himself acknowledges that the Father was HIS GOD, and that there is more to this than that statement. there is a divine mystery involved.

        When he rose from the dead, he said:

        Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

        This is indicating a hierarchy, or inequality in heaven. While Jesus possesses all the authority of the Father, he is again saying that the Father is the greater one.

        And this is not just because he took on human form, because he was both fully divine, and fully human.

        This is a mystery in heaven, as to how this equality and inequality works. It is not explained, so we should not impose our own opinions here.

        In Jhn 17:3 he also exalts the Father as God, and he does not even take the title “God” for himself, leaving this sole title to the Father.

        And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

        Jhn 14:28 – Jesus states that the Father is the greater one. He does not say this is a temporary situation, because he is on earth. He just states this.

        If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

        the epistles also confirm this., which I pointed out, and everyone ignored

        examples repeated:

        1 Pet 1:3 – notice that Peter calls only the Father by the title “God.” Then Jesus is mentioned second as “Lord.”

        Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

        1 Cor 1:3 – notice that Paul calls only the Father by the title “God.” Then Jesus is mentioned second as “Lord.”

        Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

        1 THess 1:2- notice that Paul calls only the Father by the title “God.” Then Jesus is mentioned second as “Lord.”

        Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

        The disciples are not calling Jesus God, but only the Father “GOD.” WHY?

        Now this is scripture, and includes the words of Jesus himself.

        There is a mystery present.

        Jesus is part of God, therefore is God, yet he does not call himself God, nor do his disciples….the only exception was THomas after the resurrection.

        So what is this mystery?

        It is a paradox, yet true.

        This is what I wanted you to think about.

        • Yes Marianne that’s mystery is the trinity. Three “forms” of the same Person. Wholly distinct, and wholly One. This is beyond human comprehension. The Holy Spirit is with us, Therefore “God is with us” or Immanuel. The Old testament says he would be cut off for a short time and then return. This was in the form of the Holy Spirit at pentecost.
          Marianne: I did not miss you saying that Jesus is Lord. That was my point. The statements you made were dodging that declaration with Alamb. It was not in character with what you had said before. This is why I stepped in. As That passage in Philippians says, Jesus was equal to God, and Humbled himself. Yes that does mean there is a “hierarchy”, But not in the way humans understand Hierarchy. What we are saying in no way contradicts this. But what you are saying contradicts Jesus and all the apostles in that they recognized him as the “I am” (Yahweh). There is a risk you take when you try and explain this hierarchy in human terms, as it is not comprehendable in those terms. A simple error like this can deceive even the elect, if this were possible. At least honor the fact that my intent was to lovingly correct you as I saw that you were heading in what I thought was that direction.
          The coptics have an explanation of the trinity that comes close. God is the heavenly form, Jesus the Material form, And the HS is the Spiritual form of the ONE GOD. So that every time God appeared to the Israelites It was Jesus who appeared. This is why he says “No one has seen the Father” When he admits his oneness with the Father, He says, but now you have seen him. (in material form).
          Remember when Jesus Humbled himself, he Submitted to “obedience and servanthood” On earth, during the 3+ years he was “weekened” to the point of death. This does not mean he is “less” than the heavenly Father. On the contrary he is one in the same.

          Please Just try to understand what we are saying. The trinity has a hierarchy, but Jesus is not “Less” than the heavenly Father. They are one in the same as is the HS. Human understanding of “Hierarchy” leads to all sorts of herecies, on which EVERY false religion is built. “ordered” is a better term to describe the apparent hierarchy. The Holy Spirit is God as well, and if he is with us, then God is with us. The jewish people did not acknowledge this (believe), But the Apostles did, and Christians DO!

  128. Hi Marianne. I know that many are fasting and praying right now. Praise God for all the wonderful works He is about to do!

    With that in mind, it sounds like someone or many are on the verge of breaking holds that the enemy may have on them or those they are praying for.

    So…what’s one great battle tactic the enemy has? Is to turn God’s army on itself.

    I’m praying for you all to see all attacks, how masked they may be, and not give further ground to him. Please pray for the Holy Spirit to take back any ground lost during this battle.

    May the God of Wonders fill you with all wisdom thru Jesus Christ our Lord. May the Holy Spirit give you all the spirit of discernment.

    Let us all not forget why we are here and why Jesus came.

    To save the lost… and bring Glory to the Father. Amen

  129. I happened to read some of the last posts on “Immanuel” hasn’t come yet, just before it was shut down.

    And to me the argument somewhat resembles the opinions between a sect of Orthodox Jews against a Christian.

    I think that what Marianne is attempting to convey here, (which unfortunately is not being absorbed intellectually by others parties involved), is that you are perhaps limiting scripture to the singular scope, or plane of your understanding. And by not incorporating the other scripture which she has presented, you then do not perceive the full picture.
    (And allow me please to clarify the above statement. I am in no way saying that any of the parties lack intelligence. I am saying that the point of contest itself is not being comprehended.)
    Those that are stressing this singular point, are not going beyond the confines of their 9 dots so to speak.
    Therefore, are then limiting the capacity of God, to that of their own physical, and dimensional understanding.

    It is written; ” And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:” Genesis 1:26a.

    The world translated into the English “God” above, is from the transliterated Hebrew “‘Elohiym” which is a masculine noun and plural of the word origin “Elowahh”.

    Within linguistics, “plural” is a concept of quantity, which would then represent having a value of more than one.
    The primary definitions for “Elohiym” are, “(plural) , rulers, judges, divine ones, angels, gods.”

    Consequently then, to correctly translate into English what the Hebrew text itself had stated, the necessity to incorporate the English words “Let us” make man “in our” image, after “our” likeness; was required.

    Therefore, by what the Word of God would infer to us, though it is difficult for us to understand being human, is that God being One, can mean God being more than One. As Christians we believe that this plurality consists of “The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.” The Trinity itself. Three in One.

    Marianne has not denied the Divinity of our Lord Yeshua. Neither has she stated that He is not comprised of the same Holy and Spiritual entity of that of the Father God. Yeshua is the Right arm, the Right Hand and clearly comprised with that of body of God the Father in that respect.
    Whereas the position of the other parties, appear to state that Yeshua is “ONLY” God Himself.

    To me in my opinion, that could be understood as “denying” the individual personality of Yeshua Himself as being non-existent, and simply that of a manifested expression that God created to fulfill His will.
    That would mean, that if Yeshua wasn’t a separate individual entity, (that was still at the same time, comprised of the oneness of God), that God Himself must have vacated heaven, abandoned it for a period of time, to come to earth as Messiah. And scripture simply contradicts that premise.

    Yeshua was and is, indeed God. There is ample scripture available to verify that. However, based upon scripture, there is also more than ample evidence available to verify that God is more than simply a singular individual entity as well.

    I see this whole situation as consisting of those that wish to be heard, rather than being willing to listen. And if not then ultimately agreed with, will then resort to saying that the other individual does not posses the Spirit, or are perhaps possessed by a demon.
    Huh? That has never happened before here. lol.

    Though I may not agree fully with all of Marianne’s interpretation, (where she ties in the content of the “Immanuel” hasn’t come yet., with the male child in Rev 12, simply because of what is written in Rev.1:19 would eliminate the male child as being Yeshua) I would have to agree fully with the fact that “Immanuel” that is referred to there within those passages of Isaiah, have nothing whatsoever to do with Yeshua Himself at THAT particular time.

    The prophecy from God through His prophet Isaiah simply had duality of purpose to be fulfilled again at a later date, ( Matthew 1:23.) but the context of what God said, (that must be applied as well to the verse in question) was that this child would be born, and be young when both of these Kings would lose their Kingdom, which was hundreds of years prior to the birth of Yeshua.

    Or do you just disregard what God says there, so you can instead rest and maintain the security your own belief, rather than listen to what God the Father is has to say?
    (Which in my opinion, already appears to be an issue of contention and one of your current stumbling blocks.)

    As well the Hebrew word that was translated into the English word “call” In Isaiah 7:14 is “kaw-raw’ ” which if applied within its definitions could imply what this individual would be referred to as, rather than an actual given name.
    I suspect that one could use the following analogy to convey and articulate that premise by saying, if I were to call you “compassionate and caring”, it wouldn’t necessarily be recorded in that respect, on your Birth Certificate, though the inference itself would be understood.

    This Discussion in my opinion, has gotten completely out of hand. And one individual in particular has yet to learn as to when to back off.

    Just my thoughts to which I am entitled to express.

    Be Blessed.

  130. Yeshua is YHWH. YHWH is the Father and is the Son. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit (power) of YHWH (Father and Son). Not exactly a trinity (in my view). These are such complex concepts and we will all have our own way of trying to understand the interrelationship between Father Son and Spirit. I’ve learned since beginning to keep Torah and realizing that so much of what I was led to believe through Church doctrine, was based on Constantinian religion and lies rather than the Word. So my understanding in coming months and years may change a bit as I dig deeper. I don’t think anyone should proclaim to know the FACTS when it comes to this “trinity/Yeshua/Yahweh/Father/Son/Spirit” question. BUT, I agree completely that it should be easy to come out of our mouths that Yeshua is God. That much should not be hard at all! I don’t quite understand why Marianne couldn’t just say that, since it seems by all other posts that she does in fact believe that. I get her point that in the original post she was saying that that specific title of Immanuel was not used directly to refer to Yeshua (i.e. to say “hi immanuel” – yes he was in fact “God with us” – Marianne did say this), but that he was rather called “Yeshua” (not Jesus actually, not while alive) – and so maybe when he comes the second time this might actually be the name he is called (it does say in Revelation that he will have a new name).

    However, the discussion changed to be a question about Yeshua being God. Instead of saying “Yes, Yeshua is God…but what i’m saying is blah blah blah”, Marianne would not say that, so therein came the intense discussion. I did not see anyone at all calling Marianne names as she accused, although Dru mentioned demonic attack which he actually apologized for I believe. As a Moderator, creator of this forum, I personally found Marianne’s posts very shocking and unChristian — to actually call others here “stupid” and “unintelligent” is way out of line for a Moderator (or anyone else). That response was so full of defensive emotion it was palpable, and i hope Marianne, that you realize that that way of handling the discussion could not have been coming from YHWH.

    I love the thought-provoking posts and discussions that Marianne instigates and moderates here…but if she cannot control her own temper, and if she denigrates participants rather than simply disagreeing or defending her opinions, then I don’t think i’ll be interested in coming back myself. Dru made some excellent points about humility. Not easy, but necessary if we are to learn and grow with each other in Messiah and with love in our hearts. Hoping this can be resolved and forgiven amongst you all, by the power of the Spirit of Yah in each of us that confess Yeshua as YHWH.


    • dear liz

      Do not misquote me. I know what I said.

      When I was asked if I thought yeshua was god, I replied with scriptures that quoted yeshua and the apostles indicating that the Father was God, and that Jesus was Lord. I then asked what Alamb thought of these scriptures.

      I was then treated like a heretic, and demon influenced.

      THe Word of God is not heresy.

      Misinterpretation of scripture IS Heresy.

      being accused of heresy, and having people lament that I am a lost soul, needing to repent and get saved (including deliverance from demons) is an insult…..put whatever name you want on that.

      The idea was to stimulate thought, but instead I got attacked.

      So be it.

      My questions were mildly put.

      There are 2 types of unbelievers in the world, in my opinion.

      Some are really stupid and uneducated, or lacking sense.

      The others are intensely intellectual, and vicious.

      Satan himself can quote scripture well enough to dumbfound the average christian, who basically regurgitates what they have been told, rather than analyzing and evaluating scripture from every angle.

      And this second group rules the world.

      And someday we will have to defend our faith before them.

      The easy arguments here might be fine for a crowd of people of like faith, but they are extremely weak and disconnected for a more threatening set of people of power.

      If people cannot defend their faith, then they should start learning.

      Being attacked as a vitriolic heretic is name calling enough.

      And the reason was because the person did not understand what they were reading, which I first assumed was obvious (logic = if A is WITH B, then both A and B are present, not just A, in this case I called it #1 and #2) , then I had to explain that. It was still not comprehended.

      Attacking me instead of defending what one believes with logic and scripture is a cop out.

      While this is a safe place to make a mistake, it will not be so soon, in this very dangerous world.

      The trinity is a very complex concept to defend, and I would say 95% of Christians cannot do it. AS the world is taken over by Islam in the last days, this mild question I brought up will be a life and death matter to most believers, and they will fail.

      If you found my final rejection of the accusations, avoidance behavior ( avoiding the questions with attacks) and incompetence of other shocking , I am sorry to hear that.

      What I think is already posted on over 525 pages on this site. I do not need to explain myself.

      For me, I continue to try to get people to think.

      sadly enough, attacking back when one is lacking the ability to defend ones’ faith will not be a good defense before the powers that be in the near future.

      Even evil intellectuals respect logic, reason, and facts. Many people lacking this are going to get hurt.

  131. Hi Marianne,

    Be blessed during this painful but necessary cleansing of your website.

    Regards, Richard.

  132. I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be compoletely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. Ephesians 4:1-3

    You felt attacked, so you attacked back. I don’t sense the Spirit in your response, to the others or here to me…you are defensive and angry. it’s your site, of course, but if you treat others as somehow inferior, whether or not they were misunderstanding you is irrelevant…you will not have people coming back here (maybe you don’t care). I saw love in their words of concern for you…it was not in the spirit of “you evil person you’re a stupid heretic” at all that I could see, so I would have thought you could have found a better way to respond in Christ’s love and long-suffering.

    Anyway, it speaks to me of immaturity, sorry. I’m disappointed – I think there are some great, super-smart believers out there that you have alienated for really no good reason that I can see.

    i’ll keep you and others in my prayers tonight…satan surely loves the bickering and animosity.

    In Messiah who is YHWH manifest in the flesh,

    • Attacks were either intentional or foolish.

      If you had read the entire thread, you would see false accusations.

      This is detrimental to the gospel for religious spirits to come on this site and create havoc and chaos.

      A spirit of strife was present, which had to be stopped.

      I did my job.

      I quoted scripture, answering a question with a question, and this was intentionally distorted by the religious spirit. ..

      It accomplished what it set out to do…to drive people away from the website.

      Pray that the person with the religious spirit gets deliverance. Even Jesus had trouble with them, and had to be stern as well..

      Stopping the false accusations and hostility was the right thing to do. People are to be accountable for their behavior.

      I am at peace with it.

      • Which gospel exactly are you proclaiming? If you do not believe Yeshua is God, and have some other idea about his divinity (sorry, don’t have time to read all your posts to find out what you believe, and you did not at all make it clear on the Immanuel thread), then I’d have thought you’d be quite used to being called a heretic and that it would not phase you quite so much. Since keeping Torah, i’m accused of being a heretic, fallen from grace, going to hell, etc…but I don’t call anyone stupid, or tell them that they can’t read etc etc.

        I saw no spirit of strife or divistion coming from anyone except you, Marianne I honetly fear that there are some demons in your life that are masquerading as angels and are deceiving you, causing you to be antagonistic to the true Light. I did read the whole thread, and while I did see perhaps some misunderstandings between some of you, I saw no “religious spirits” from the others, no “hostility” – simply loving confrontation – that is a much different thing.

        So, now you can add me to the iist of those you want to “cleanse” from your website i suppose. You don’t have to, because I won’t return to a site where the moderator has no sense of decency or how to treat her visitors, and proclaims false doctrines as Truth.

        Sissy, Alamb, Dru — may you be blessed and heal quickly from the attacks you experienced here.

        Marianne – you’ll be in my prayers, I hope you will pray for wisdom and have an open mind to the possibility that it just might be YOU that is in error.

        • liz

          “If you do not believe Yeshua is God”

          IF ????????????

          I have over 500 pages exalting Jesus for who He is.

          I never said that……that was Alamb’s false accusation.

          Do you understand this started on another page?

          I had to close the page to stop the fighting, so Alamb came over here to continue her fight.

          I said that Jesus was never called Immanuel in his lifetime, his mother did not name him that, he did not call himself that. When he returns in glory to rule this earth he will finally be recognized as that , and he WILL be called that by everyone.

          Alamb then accused me of denying the virgin birth, and that Jesus was God.

          I also said that Jesus was divine, and the son of God.

          you cannot alone identify who God is without mentioning the Father and the holy spirit………Some believe that only Jesus is God, and others believe that Jesus IS the son, father and holy spirit all rolled into one person….which is illogical since Jesus prayed to the father while he was here. he was not praying to himself. that is called the oneness doctrine.

          There is also a quote on that page about the Word being WITH God……indicating at least one other person.

          To identify Jesus as God and to deny the Father is error.


          she said
          hopefully read you say repent of this false teaching of saying that “God was NOT with us”

          I said
          hi Alamb
          I know what Immanuel means and that Jesus was Immanuel.
          The point here is that Jesus was never referred to, recognized, or called Immanel while he was here.
          Jesus only came for a very short while, so he was not “with us” long, then he left.
          When He comes to stay in the next coming, to STAY with us in person, he will be called Immanuel.


          on who believes he did not come in the flesh, is anti-christ.

          I said
          I am not going to belabor my point.
          Jesus was NOT called Immanuel while he was here the first time.
          that is the point.

          Jesus is the son of God, and yes he came in the flesh. You are nit – picking. And you do not get my point.

          You refuse to see my point that Jesus was never called Immanuel while he was here.

          Interpret these scriptures

          John 1:1-2
          In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
          The same was in the beginning with God.
          v 14
          And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
          v 18
          No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
          John 17: 1, 3 (words of Jesus to the Father)
          These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
          And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
          Almost all epistles of Paul start out this way:
          ex ample 2 thess 1:2
          Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
          1 Cor 1:3
          Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.
          epistles of Peter
          2 Peter 1:2
          Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
          John 14: 28
          Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

          You are NOT a Christian. You might as well offer child sacrifices to Milcom for your sins, for this is what you are reducing Jesus to.

          You have dealt with many a demon and false spirit on this sight, and they may have influenced you.

          John who already said in his gospel that Jesus Christ “was” the Word who “was” God (John 1:1). This Word that “was God” John says “became flesh” (John 1:14)

          Alamb said
          That is exactly right Sissy.
          It is the *Word God* who dwelt among us as the Son in FLESH.

          Dru said
          Approach with Caution. Marianne has been in contact with a person that claims to be a Djinn or fallen angel. This spirit Jumps from one person to another. What she is defending here is part of their deception.

          I said

          Jesus is the son of God
          I believe Jesus is divine.
          But the Word was WITH think about that……..
          Jesus was WITH the Father.
          and the father is God. The father is also the word, because Jesus said so.
          Jesus said himself he only speaks what the Father tells him..
          Of course Jesus was before Abraham…..

          dru said
          Now the deception of the djinn will build on this error you are making, and in fact this is the error all the Goats of the faith will make. When Jesus is seen only as the Son of God, he is made equal only with the “sons of God” who are the fallen angels.

          alamb said
          You say you believe the scriptures but you are going beyond what is written. Yeshua’s identity is vitally important to each of our souls. His identity is obvious to those of us who know the Lord and who He is…He is God.

          Currently you are believing the spirit of anti-christ and I hope for you and your salvation in knowing the true God, YHVH, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

          sissy said
          Marianne, you said, “Of course Jesus was before Abraham”
          This is true, but it is not exactly what Jesus said.
          He did NOT say, “Before Abraham was, I *was*”……
          He did not merely say He preexisted Abraham.
          He said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” To say this either means Jesus had no grasp of grammatical structure, or it means He was calling Himself God.
          He was calling Himself God.
          There is only ONE Who is eternal, only ONE Who can be called “I AM.” That is YHVH.

          I said
          And for the I am vs I was…that is really stupid…. you should have understood that I was speaking in past tense, since the incident mentioned occurred in the past.

          I also have a blocked comment where Alamb is soliciting Darlene to see me as evil

          This whole argument started because I said Jesus was not called Immmuel while he was here. I was never denying that he WAS Immanuel, and that he would finally be called that when he returns. Jesus was rejected by many the first time, but the second time he will be recognized for who he is.

          THe attacks you do not see are because
          1. you did not read the other page
          2. you cannot “see” spiritually what is going on.
          3. you do not want to

          If you want to leave this page, I would prefer that you did.

          I am preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.

          I am not going to allow spirits of division to come here and twist what I say, and start fights.

          Religious spirits operate by lying about what is said, and then recruiting others to join them in the condemnation.

          All of you have been deceived.

          ALamb accomplished what she set out to do, and that is to create confusion and division. I have no intention of denying the Father and say that Jesus is exclusively God.

          • I just wrote a response that got deleted somehow. No time to rewrite it all.

            In brief, all you had to say clearly in the other post was that you know that Yeshua is God, the Father is God, the Spirit is God – however you understand that to work out is fine, we all have to try to understand and pray the Spirit leads us to a correct understanding – we don’t have to agree on how it works in the spiritual realm. But the scriptures are clear that somehow, the Father is YHWH, the Son is also YHWH, and the Spirit comes from YHWH, is His Spirit/power.

            My main problem is that I see absolutely no humility on your part as moderator of this site…you are called to a higher standard, you should be seeking peace and understanding among visitors here. The spirit of confusion came from you. And then, when you felt unjustly attacked, you attacked back and called actual NAMES like “stupid” etc — that is just unacceptable and I can’t believe that you dont’ see or can’t admit even that much. It’s bad enough when visitors among themselves start calling names or accusing each other of not being saved etc — but that’s to be expected as we have debates. What’s not expected is thta a moderator would do the same.

            As I said, i’ll continue to pray for you and others. May the Holy Spiirt fill you as you seek His wisdom.


  133. I pray the peace of God and the blood of Jesus covers this website tonight, and protect it from spirits of strife, deception, and division.

    I pray blessings over this site, and that the gospel shall continue, in spite of attacks.

    May all those confused as to what happened have their minds cleared and set at peace.

  134. Liz if I may comment.

    In my opinion this is a “Plank and Speck” scenario. (Matthew 7:3-5. Luke 6:41,42.)

    Regarding the Torah.

    The climax of the revelation that was given at Sinai, was the commandment to construct the Mishkan, (or “Tabernacle”.) This relates directly to the redemption secured by the blood of the lamb in Egypt which led directly to the revelation of laws of the altar given at Sinai. Almost 50% of the Book of Exodus is focused of the Mishkan, and the Book concludes with the Shekhinah Glory of God, being revealed at Sinai and filling the Holy of Holies. (Exodus 40:34,35.)

    The Book of Leviticus then links the previous paragraph of the Book of Exodus, with the religious practices that were to be conducted within the Mishkan itself, and therefore it focuses upon the various forms of offerings and sacrifices.(ie; zevachim) that were integral to being able to worship God. As this was the climax of God’s revelation at Sinai, the Mishkan became the place of revelation, and focal point of corporate worship.
    (Exodus 25:22. 30:36.)

    Prophetically speaking, the Mishkan was a “foreshadowing”, and represented the redemptive plan of God, that culminated in the revelation of Yeshua the Messiah as being the appointed Lamb of God. (ie; seh ha-Elohim.)
    Therefore the Book of Leviticus is central to the Torah, and it provides the basis from which we can then understand, the multifaceted meaning in respects to the sacrifice of Yeshua for our reconciliation with God.
    All of the great doctrines of the New Testament, regarding Atonement, propitiation of sin, and the meaning of the cross of the Messiah, are all grounded in the sacrificial system that is revealed in the Mishkan.

    “Sacrifice” in English, is more closely associated with an act of “self deprivation”, to give up something of value, for something of a perceived greater value. However in the Torah, the concept of sacrifice has more to do with making an offering to God as the means to be able to draw closer to Him. These sacrifices were intended to express gratitude and joy, while at the same time, remove the obstacles that were caused by mans defilement, and sin. In actuality, the most common Hebrew word that is utilized to describe sacrifice is “korban”, which comes from the root “karov”, meaning to “come close”, or to “draw near.” In the Mishkan, “korbanot” consisted of the various ritualized acts that were used for the worshipper to draw near to God.

    “What is my point with the above?”

    Well first, it is to express that the whole point of the Torah was, “That to obey, is better than having to sacrifice.”
    Secondly, since the Laws were impossible for man to execute with perfection, that required for God to provide that perfection in our stead, in the form of the Messiah.

    The Torah is simply a foreshadowing of the better New Covenant that Yeshua in His grace performed on our behalf. To continue to follow the Torah, is in essence to deny Yeshua’s sacrifice! And He by the shedding of His blood, is the only way now to draw near to God the Father.

    The sacrifice of Yeshua as the Kohen Gadol, (High Priest) of the “new and better” covenant was a gift to us from God, for those who place their trust in His Son. The Cross literally represents the “kapporet”, (mercy seat) of the New Covenant. For it was on that Cross that He shed His blood for our everlasting reconciliation to God.
    It is only because of the Korban of Yeshua, that we can all draw near to God. As well, when the sacrifice was complete and Yeshua did die, the veil of the Temple, the “parochet” that separated the Holy of Holies from the Holy Place, was rent asunder, thereby granting access to the “Throne of Grace.” Because of the High Priestly work of Yeshua, neither Levitical, or any other mediators for that matter are necessary, and all that now trust in Yeshua, are called “spiritual kohanim”.

    Followers of Yeshua have an altar of grace, which those who still follow the Torah, are unable to partake in.

    Perhaps you should re-focus your energies inwardly, rather than casting accusations towards others?

    Be Blessed

    • Thanks alienated.

      The devil is the accuser of the brethren.

      My fault is that I was too patient, and tolerated the wayward discussion too long. I should have acted sooner.

      It also says not to give place to the devil.

      For a long time, I thought this meant to sin, allowing the devil to enter.

      But to allow place can also mean to tolerate, or be too patient, with those bent on lies and deception.

      Once given place, they will take over and cause destruction, confusion and chaos.

      Sometimes, longsuffering can be used by the enemy as a weakness to cause more harm.

      I wondered once how christians would turn against each other in the end times, causing some to be put to death…brother against brother, child against parent, etc. but now I see….

      sad to say, but there are many people now who consider themselves righteous will send many true believers to death with their personal convictions.

      • Marianne,

        No problem my sister.

        Yes, things will unfold exactly as He planned them to unfold.
        Simply walk in the Spirit and continue to abide and trust in Him and Him alone.
        Add nothing and subtract nothing, for He is sufficient in Himself.

        He “knows” you.

        Be Blessed

      • Marianne,

        You know that Dru, Sissy and I all believe the Father is God and that the Holy Spirit is God. We never said otherwise. In fact we called attention to Isaiah 9:6 which shows the them to be the SAME God.

        We quoted verses showing you that Jesus IS God because you were indicating only the Father is God by the verses you quoted.

        Why would we even need to say Jesus is God in flesh?

        BECAUSE: You have an article up saying Immanuel hasn’t come yet!

        You say the Immanuel prophecy hasn’t occured even though Matthew, and Apostle of Jesus Christ says it has occured already.

        You just want to leave your article that is in error up.

        It’s one thing to talk about Jesus not being called by the literal name Immanuel and be confused as you are about that but it is quite another to ***call into question Jesus VIRGIN BIRTH***.

        By calling into question Jesus VIRGIN BIRTH which you did in the article by:

        1) Suggesting the prophecy wasn’t about a literal virgin

        and then saying

        2) Joseph and Mary are the parents after hinting that Mary wasn’t a literal virgin

        This does 2 things:

        1) Denies Jesus is Messiah because Genesis says the Messiah will be born from the seed of a woman (meaning no human male

        2) Denies Jesus is God by suggesting Mary wasn’t a virgin, meaning a male might have fathered Jesus.

        If you really believe Jesus is God, GREAT! But why in the word would you leave up an article saying God hasn’t come (Immanuel hasn’t come yet)? Why leave up an article that calls into question the VIRGIN BIRTH? Whether or not you realized it, that is exactly what the article does…which is why MANY prior to Dru, Sissy or I left comments and we were not the first to say it is in error and deceptive. It is your defense of it that is scary.

        My questioning was in HOPES that you would confess Jesus IS God come in the flesh—but you wouldn’t say it? Instead you were trying to say the Father is God (WHICH HE IS and there ARE DISTINCTIONS WITHIN THE GODHEAD)–which was NEVER EVER THE POINT. The point was, Jesus is YHVH GOD, who has ALREADY COME in flesh…why are you questioning the VIRGIN BIRTH?

        We were not attacking you, we were actually trying to help you. The article is in error and will cause some to fall away…I have seen this heresy about Immanuel not referring to Christ do exactly this to a friend of mine (3) years ago. He no longer believes in any god at all. It was all due to someone writing exactly what you wrote in the Immanuel article. I hope someday you will see the error in your writing of that article and take it down.

        Also, your slander of me is not appreciated.

      • Marianne
        I left another Email for you. I will reply once more and then the matter is a moot point.
        Alienated Hello again.
        “Yehovah Eloyhiym”, Be blessed. The Strong’s concordance has been very helpful in this debate, I thank you for showing it to me.

        • Dru,

          I only popped back for a short season.

          I am thankful that you are referring to the original texts in your studies, be they either Hebrew or Greek.
          They open up the word as it was meant to be heard.

          However the Strong’s concordance and Vine’s expository are tools like any other, and it takes time to use them in a proficient manner.

          Be patient. Don’t attempt to run while still in the process of learning to walk .

          Be Blessed

  135. Hi Marianne, Hope you are well!

    Since you have closed the “Immanuel” page, I would like to place a
    brief comment here if I may, although a great deal could be said on
    the matter, regarding the intended purpose of the name, which is not synonymous with “God incarnate”

    To those who vilified Marianne;

    14″Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

    The above verse, Isaiah 7:14, & 15-16 is a composite/dual prophecy with it’s initial fulfillment being the birth of Isaiah’s son Maher-shalal-hash-baz ,who was to be called Immanuel, and subequently, it’s complimentary fulfillment being the birth of Jesus, who was also to be called Immanuel; as confirmed in Matt.1:23. We know that “Immanuel” means “God with us,” and we also know that Isaiah’s son was not God incarnate, and since the name was not exclusive to Jesus, it therefore cannot be assumed that “God with us” is a manifestation of God in human form, namely Jesus. In fact, the term as it stands, does not even suggest this!

    The purpose of the name was to signify to Judah, through Isaiah and the birth of his son, that God would deliver Judah from the impending attack of Israel and Syria, and thus “He would be with them”; so the name Immanuel is indicative of God’s supernatural presence and power to deliver, of which Jesus was to be the perfect representation.

    In both cases, neither son was publicly known as “Immanuel”, simply because God intended the name to serve as private confirmtaion and assurance to Isaiah, Joseph and Mary that they were to be instrumental in the accomplishment of great things. This was particularly necessary in Joseph and Mary’s case, due to the unique manner in which Jesus was to be conceived. Had God purposed Jesus to be publicly known as Immanuel, then this would be apparent in scripture, but since it is not, then we must conclude that God withheld the use of this name for a reason; and the likely reason is that Jesus was to grow up as a normal child, with no indication that he was to become the Messiah until the appointed time.

    So you are right Marianne, when you say that the full magnitude of “Jesus Immanuel” will not be fully apparent until the great day of his return; and futhermore, God did not deem it necessary to make this name publicly known when Jesus was here, and further-further more, if God wanted Israel, in particular, to know that Jesus was He himself incarnate, surely He would have made this known, if in fact it does mean this. But because this name does not mean “God incarnate”, and because it was not intended to be public domain when Jesus was here, it is unfortunate that you have been berated in the manner you have, since you have said nothing which can be construed as denial of the virgin birth; and neither have you given any indication for anyone to conclude that you believe God has not already demonstrated his sovereign power through Jesus.

    In fact, at the very worst, you spoke the truth!

    Be blessed.

    • HI RIcahard

      Thank you so much. As I was telling someone else, the concept of the godhead is beyond our imaginations, yet many think they can define it in their own terms.

      (1) Some believe that the oneness of god means Jesus was Father, son and holy spirit , all rolled into one.

      The definition here means Jesus = all there is to God….he is it….the total package.

      and it means there fore that God = Jesus only

      this also interprets John 1:1 as the Word = Jesus only and when it says, the Word was WITH God, it must mean he was with himself.

      (2) Others take a more trinitarian view, where there are 3 persons, separate yet united.

      How people explain this can be quite creative, since this concept is a mystery.

      The definition here means Jesus = Part of the Godhead

      so, from this definition…..

      God = Godhead, not just one “member”

      The important thing is that jesus came in the flesh as Lord, sent from god, and that we are to trust in him for our salvation.

      Members from both groups are willing to lay down their lives for them.. To me, that is dedication enough.

      So when someone wants to say “Jesus is GOD” it tends to imply definition (1), which I don’t adhere to, since it would mean Jesus is God exclusively, and there is no other involved.

      Since Jesus himself identified himself as the son of God, to me this means

      the accurate statement would

      NOT be “Jesus is God” but

      “Jesus is part of God.”

      I prefer to just quote what Jesus said about himself, when asked who he is.

      and that would be Jesus is the son of God. This way I am acknowledging the Father, who Jesus said was HIS GOD, and the holy spirit.

      I think it is important to do this relationship or concept of unity.

      Regarding John 1:1, therefore, when it says the Word was WITH God, that means Jesus, the son, was with the Father, who is also the Word.

      They differ in title, but the divine substance is the same. Both are God. and the scriptures indicate the holy spirit is part of the Word as well.

      So if someone says the Word was made flesh, to me, this applies only to the part of God that is Jesus.

      The Father and Spirit remained in heaven.

      (Others who believe in (1) would think that the “whole god” Jesus came to earth.)

      this is why I am careful not to be careless in my definitions. I want to reflect the most accurate view of “God” and the “Word” that I can.

      Others may not feel the same way, but if they do adhere to definition (1) instead of (2), I do not condemn them.

  136. Marianne
    I referred you to the coptic view of the trinity.

  137. Hi Marianne, It’s me, Darlene. How are you doing? The Lord’s been really busy on my end. More dreams. Lots of them. How has God lead you about Christmas, and other such days Christianized by men? Also, how has he lead you concerning keeping the Feasts of the LORD? This has been what He is working on me about. Was wondering about you? Hope you are well and being lead thru the wilderness by His comforting Spirit> Hope to hear from you soon… Darlene

  138. Marianne I myself always had a problem with the Masorhetic 4000 B.C time-line. Example the flood of Noah with this time-line happened 2348 B.C&Abraham being born in 2166B.C. Noah was 600 at the flood&lived another 350 years&he would have died in 1998B.C. He would have been alive during most of the life of Abraham, while with the Spptugent XXL time-line the flood was 3554B.C& Noah would have died in 3204 B.C, tower of Babel 3184 B.C, Job was theJokam in Genesis & was about 3000 B.C Abraham born in 2322B.CAccording to Setterfield the earth was pretty much the way that it is now by the time Abraham was born. BTW the Eastern Orthodox Church when it broke away in 1054 accepted the Septugent XXL time-line. The period of over 1200 years between the flood& Abraham’s birth is more appealing than the 3-400 years with the shorter time-line. Marianne remember it was the Jews who shortened the time-line, not the Christians around 100 A.D. Barry Setterfield talks about this in more detail on his web-site. BTW Saint Augustine was for the Septugent XXL time-line while Jerome who wrote the Latin Vulgate pushed for the shorter Masorhetic time-line.

    • hi Ronnie

      I understand that this is what Setterfield claims, but I do not see any proof of this, or acknowledgment from the Jews that they would have ever changed their calendar. they are very picky about details, and I find it hard to believe they would have intentionally changed their calendar because of the Christians.

  139. Marianne,

    Just wondering if you are having any issues with your security certificate for the website. Many of the links are coming up with warnings. Maybe it is my computer. Just trying to figure it out.



    • I am not aware of any security problems. But I am administrator…maybe because I have an inside access, i do not get any notes. Try using a different computer and see what happens, maybe at a public library. It may be your security settings or firewall on your own computer. If it happens at a different location, let me know. I will then ask WordPress. You are the only one so far that has told me this.

  140. Marianne,

    The problem is on my end. Thanks for the reponse.

  141. Marianne,

    Are you receiving my emails?

    Be Blessed in YESHUA our KING of kings.

  142. Marianne,

    Are you okay?
    I know that I asked you this a week ago, but are you receiving my emails?

    I haven’t had one response from you today?
    Just worried for you.
    Just my heart.

  143. Hi Marianne,

    Too many weird things are happening on your site to just be disregarded.
    Please make sure that you read ALL my emails okay?



    Praise be to Yeshua our KING of kings and LORD of lords. Amen.

  144. Marianne,

    Don’t don’t find what I just sent you in my emails regarding the Gravatar’s weird?


    Praise to Yeshua the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Amen.




  148. hi marrianne. How are you? I do hope you are doing well. Regards to your family.- msu

  149. uly 13, 2012 I dreamt of a huge wall of water. Miles high and long higher than the highest mountain. It filled the valley’s with rushing water. I was safe. In my dream as I was looking at the water, a voice said September 12. i thought they said December 12 but they said no September 12. ????. May God give discernment regarding this dream/vision. I woke up and read Psalms 93. because the day before the dream I saw on hummingbird027 site PS 93 mentioned as prophetic but i hadn’t read it then. But then I had that dream about the water and thought I’d better read it. God confirmed the dream pretty quickly Amen. He is so great.
    Psalm 93
    1The LORD reigns, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, with which he has girded himself: the world also is established, that it cannot be moved. 2Your throne is established of old: you are from everlasting. 3The floods have lifted up, O LORD, the floods have lifted up their voice; the floods lift up their waves. 4The LORD on high is mightier than the noise of many waters, yes, than the mighty waves of the sea. 5Your testimonies are very sure: holiness becomes your house, O LORD, for ever.

    When I shared this part of the dream with a friend, she made mention about some event in Sept 2012 regarding the Kesha Foundation and some new technology to be announced. Something about traveling being fast. This confirmed the beginning of my dream. The part of my dream before the huge wall of water. The dream began where I was in a big garage where they were putting up white walls and renovating. People came, in mostly older woman. They seemed dressed up for something. Then I was laying down, where I was being told I was sick and I knew I wasn’t. When I got up, there was another small white room off to the side where a man and two children went in. They were going to be sent somewhere, as in transported somehow by a force I couldn’t see. Then a boy came back, very upset. I took him and we got out of the building into a large dark parking lot. I kept pressing my key remote but couldn’t find my van. Just one or two cars were leaving, but it seemed like the cars were abandoned. Then I was shown the huge wall of water and given the Sept 2012 date. Anyone know about what the Kesha Foundation is up to?

    • HolyTruthWarrior

      A body known as Nibiru or planet X is approaching earth in a large orbit that takes about 3600 years. The government expects large earthquakes and tsunamis to hit the shorelines on the east, west and south coasts. It has given notice to military families to prepare to evacuate the coasts and travel to other areas.

  150. July 19, 2012 I had another weird dream night before last. We were driving somewhere and then being held in some big area outside. Then we got free. THEN out of nowhere two men appeared and I knew them in my dream as the two witnesses! After that I was tying to help others get out of another dimension trapped in water but it was upwards above us. Once free we were traveling thru tunnels but some people were changed or muted in some way. I think we were living.for a while in the tunnels. Weirder than the last dream. But cool about the two witnesses!

  151. was wondering about the clean and unclean foods what we can and cant eat Jesus said he didn’t come to change the laws but to fulfill them

    • hi flybird

      Unclean foods are not food. But if we are hungry, we can eat meat that is less desirable, if we bless it first, and ask God to make it safe for our bodies. Also, if we safely prepare the food.

  152. Ive been seating talking to god this morning we are looking upon him to lead us to take care of us in these trouble days ahead we could throw Christ stack up a bunch of soft which we are trying to start dueing but really it wouldn’t due much good because if we had to leave in a flash we wouldn’t be able to Carie all we have need to pack whole made MRI’S in back packs when this soft all comes down upon us we need to be ready not just food wise but God wise to that’s the most important thing throw him is going to be the only why to live on earth or in heaven I know I will not be able to leave with the rest of my family when it comes down but I am praying for there safety until god comes for them I be-leave we will be here for some of the tribulation I have copd, heart failure, diabetic, and stage two kidney failure and would not be able to travel by foot have trouble getting from point a to point b but for them I will stay behind and due what I must to protect my love ones so thy may get away and go were God will lead them I will give my live for who I must because christ gave his life for us to live and have a chance to be with him in heaven your thought

    • flybird

      You are God’s precious treasure, and he knows what you need. I am sure he will take good care of you. I pray that he gives healing comfort to you as well.

  153. Marianne,

    Have you ever thought about doing a post on the topic of pharmakeia, given the place the world (especially the US) is in concerning the totally outrageous over medicating that is going on, especially in these last days, including the ancient origins of this practice, and from someone who is from more of a scientific background? I am sure it would make for a lively and very controversial discussion, since most everyone is medicated these days.

    • hi al

      I guess I could, but there would have to be a focus on particular medicines, and there are so many of them. Some are useful, such as antibiotics, even through they can have side effects too.

  154. Marianne,

    I left without saying how much I appreciated your forum and the way you have conducted yourself in nothing less than a difficult situation, given the myriad variations of beliefs that have come here to discuss, rant, search for truth,…….! I, and I believe most feel you have been an excellent moderator and compassionate listener. I just wanted to say thank you.

    May Yah richly bless you and yours

    • al

      thank you.

      I allow discussion and debates so that people can test their views out, with themselves, and with others.

      if we fail to convince other believers of our arguments, then why would the secular world believe us?

      You are welcome here anytime.

  155. I have a tragic but wonderful story!
    My dog of thirteen years suddenly had major pain, I rushed her straight to the vet! They said they will have to put her down as it looks like a burst cancer! I rang my wife whom had only just arrived home from work, and she screamed don’t pit her down till I say goodbye! So I raced home and picked her up and when our dog heard us arrive her tail wagged twice and she lifted her head to look back at us, then flopped it backdown. So we gave God the opportunity to heal her in prayer and after that had them give the injection. When we left the vet I saw stars starting to come out and I said to my wife that bright star there, I am going to name it after our dog! Anyway my wife and I was to sad to watch tv that night and sat together in the quiet of night soothing each others sorrows. After she went to bed, I couldn’t sleep and decided to watch mindless junk on the tv, and a movie was on. Anyway during the movie this guy was playing with his dog and teaching it tricks and the dog was kicked out of the house when it weed on his wifes leg. So the guy sat outside with the dog, them both starring up at the night sky. Suddenly a particular bright star came down to them making them both radiant in its light then shot back into the heavens! – isn’t god just wonderful in times of our grief and hardship. I feel so happy that my dogs spirit rests in our merciful god.

  156. Marianne,

    I am not receiving the notification e mails anymore. My account shows everything is as it should be. Is there anything on your end?


    • al

      I am not sending out emails anymore. I advised everyone on last email to subscribe to website, or pages they were interested in, to get notices.

      The site got too big for me, and it took 3-4 days to get all the notices out before…too stressful for me.

      there is a “follow” button at the top of the page you can click

  157. Hi Marianne

    I read your blog and have browsed through various topics. Always enjoy the writing and the comments as well.
    Not that you have to post on this topic at all, but I am wondering if there are any upcoming topics on Mormons or Mormonism or just your experience with it in any way.


    • dear Nash

      I had not planned to write about mormonism…..I know very little, if anything about it.

      • Likely too controversial to write about specific religions.

        Content within these blogs is more than controversial enough to open the minds of those who attend these subjects 😉

        Write about SDA. It won’t offend me!


  158. Hi Marianne, my name is also Marianne. This blog just appeared in my computer while I was researching for university homework. After reading your post on Jezebel I identify myself with lots of what you explain there. I would like to briefly tell you what happened:
    In 2011, I gave my heart to Jesus and my life completely changed. I joined a church as a divorced, beautiful woman of 37 years old looking to know more of the Jesus who rescued me.
    I was assigned to a group. The leader of the group as soon as he saw me wanted to get in contact with me and get laid. I did not say anything just asked for a change of group.
    Then, they put me in another group where leaders were a couple. I was inclined to talk to the woman more than her husband (because of past of paternal psychological abuse) but she rejected me to the point I left that group (Her disciples were all dark skin and hair, I am white, hazel eyes, blonde hair).
    I wanted to keep going to church since I understood in these few years that God has called me.
    Ministers of the church accused me of immature woman or rebellious that does not like to be bind by authority, a free spirited soul that likes to do what she wants. They looked at me just like you said, I had leper or something like that. I am stubborn, I know how much Jesus did for me at the cross and I did not give up. So I asked for another group.
    This one was just fine, true leaders that do for Jesus and not others, listen to you, help you but do not judge and let you grow in the Lord. They had to resign because of personal problems and the ministers promoted a couple from the group to the place of praying and organizing Wednesday’s classes.
    The female leader was with a smile during meeting and criticizing all women after the meeting, complaining about how much she has to put up for the leadership. I never felt to talk to her about anything. His husband, the male leader, ministers women when is prohibited by church. I tried to serve everyone after meetings to help with the food and drinks and he denied my help and told me to tell her wife to serve him personally. She is a jealous woman, they publicly admitted that have fights about it.
    So I did not take much more of this and I decided to take a break from that. I texted the female leader that I was not going back until summer semester ends and she says ok. So I understood that they were not going to call me anymore. But he did, not only that if I did not answer the call, he texted and even whats App me. I never answered. He appeared twice in my house without notice, I NEVER invited him, and I started feeling guilty about being single and cute. He kept on texting and calling but I never replied. Finally, he sent me a message that I have to answer because involves my future. I never answered. The whole time I felt really bad, I had nightmares about him knocking the door, and so but the only thing I could do is pray and ask my heavenly father to hug me and protect me.
    I do not think that If I talk anyone will believe me. I do not care, I am the one just like you said that tries to live a holy life. I do not have sex since my last boyfriend and 2010. After receiving Jesus I understand that if he has someone for me in the right moment he will bring him. I am in peace, I do not practice any immoral sex (pornography, masturbation, ect) I am not thinking about men, and I never looked at married man. God knows who I am, I talk to him everyday.


    • marianne

      the response you got is typical of most churches.

      the women are jealous of you and the men’s minds have gone astray.

      we have a lot of false spirits in the church now….so it might be best to form small friendships with people without getting involved with an entire church.

      maybe a few women who are like you, alone but pure…form your own little circle and enjoy the Lord together.

      needing fellowship is just human, I went through the same thing you did, even had the pastor fantasize that I wanted him, which I didn’t, but you do not have to put up with abusive behavior from so called christians.

      pray that the Lord sends people your way….I will support you in prayer as well.

  159. Thanks Marianne, I pray that God send those people, thanks for your advice I do not have any biological family in US so this means lots to me.

    • marianne

      I hope this goodness comes soon for you.

      sometimes a move to a new location brings new friends… might consider this.

      can you move?

  160. Marianne-could you delete that last post I posted. I posted more information than I should have.

  161. Thanks-sorry for the hassle!

  162. Marianne- Saw something interesting today. Doesn’t necessarily mean anything, just thought I would pass it along. Look up the meaning of the word Joaquin; it is a Spanish word, but originally came from the Hebrew language. I looked at three different resources with these results:

    Raised by Yahweh

    Lifted by Yahweh

    Established by God

    Not exactly a propitious name for a storm-hurricane

  163. Yes I wanted to request you as a friend on face book awhile back you were on my friends list if I could fine out your last name can send friend request thank you

  164. Marianne, I hope you are well. I am watching all the things that are happening in the world on a regular basis and it is all very discouraging 😦 People are growing to despise Israel-lots of Christians are-it is almost believable. Lies and distractions are on television regularly and on top of all that we have people being exploited on a regular basis…I’m ready for Jesus to come. I was wondering if God has shown you anything special about Purim this year-do you think we will have to wait another 5-7 years before the Rapture of the Church? I know we are near the end it just seems like it’s going into overtime and I don’t understand why. Hasn’t everyone heard the Gospel yet?

    If you could pray about this and let me know I would be very blessed. Thank you for keeping this blog up for us to read 🙂

    • blue lotus

      I do not think the Lord would do anything on any Purim. it is not a feast of the Lord, although it is a significant part of the history of Israel.

      I think there may be another 5 years, but it will be good at first, then decline as evil people do not repent, but get worse. we have a grace period with Trump. when he leaves office, I think the worst of times will begin.

      do not be discouraged with the evil, bc this has to happen, to bring the Lord back to stop it all. it was all prophesied long ago.

      man has a tendency to ignore God when times are good. he only seeks God when times are bad, so bad times are needed to wake people up and to motivate them to call upon the Lord.

      this does not mean we ignore the evil. we should pray against it, pray to protect ourselves, act against it if possible, and stand firm, as an example to the lost. bad times are when we can witness the best, because people are more inclined to listen then.

      stay close to the Lord, and ask for strength to endure to the end. every day is a test now. you can make it with his help.

      • Okay. Thank you for your words. I just read in a study book that when we (believers) have times of peace they are the exception in history because believers are always persecuted. I just want to thank you for your response I have so much to say but am too sad to say it now. Just thanking you.

  165. Marianne, do you know what bruises mean in dreams?? I tried sending you an email but your email does not work.

  166. Marrianne, the 144000 Jewish believers of Yeshua in Rev. ch. 6 & 7 are THE HUMAN ELEMENT, that work with the angels that separate the wheat & the tares & the sheep from the goats at the beginning of the great-tribulation !!!! They work with the Christians, but also the Jews !!!! Marianne, the 144000 will also be a welcoming committee on Mount Zion when J.C./Yeshua comes back !!!!! Marianne Moses had 1000 from each tribe(12000 in total) to fight the Midianites & all 12000 survived the battles & it is an O.T. representation of the 144000!!!! Marianne this is a Hebraic/Messianic teaching by a man named Monte Judah of a Messianic/Hebraic fellowship in Normal OK!!!!! He has Lion & Lamb Ministries & this teaching is on you tube !!! Monte Judah was a Baptist Christian before he came into the Hebraic/Messianic!!!! BTW this is referred to as “The Final Redemption Of Isreal” & “The Greater Exodus” The first exodus was 40 years but the greater exodus is 42 months!!! Marianne, Monte Judah gives all kinds of scripture on his you tube series & it is just awesome & a bright light of hope !!!!! Marianne two ways he says believers will die. One way is them taking up the sword to fight the system & being arrested & held for 10 days & then executed & he gives the scriptures!!!! However there will be those that will be part of the greater exodus & the “safe places” are in wilderness areas & not in any city !!!!! BTW Monte Judah says the anti-Christ is going to be another pharoh to prevent Jews that are still meant to be in Isreal to not enter the land!!! Monte Judah says that the Jews in Isreal now is Judah(southern kingdom) but the “ten lost tribes have yet to come back but soon will start going back but the beast system will step in to try to stop them & this is also where the 144000 come in to bring back the 10 lost tribes !!!! Another Hebraic/Messianic teacher on this is Eddie Chumney in Ohio!!! Marianne the Hebrew language is unique & Greek & Latin does not compare the same, Hebrew goes much-much deeper !!!!!! Shalom Marianne !!!!!

  167. Hi marianne, remember me? The guy from lonely planet, ..just drop by to say hello. Keep safe my friend. God bless 🙏

    Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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