Demons, Bugs or People?


In the day of the Lord, Joel describes a “people” the earth has never seen before.

Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.

This is a people that the earth has never experienced an attack from before.

They are a great people, and strong.

In the 1st chapter of Joel, a similar attack by locusts is described,

and the 2nd attack shares some aspects to it, as in how the attackers

swarm like bugs. But then, there are characteristics that indicate that

this attack is much more than this, and it is more deadly.


1.. They swarm in like bugs.

They cannot be killed.

Joe 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

Joe 2:8   Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and [when] they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

Joe 2:9   They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

Joel 1 had described a great locust problem earlier, where the “nation” was a multitude of locusts that violently chewed everything in its path.

Joe 1:4 ¶ That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.

Joe 1:6   For a nation is come up upon my land, strong, and without number, whose teeth [are] the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.

But this “Day of the Lord” description is a different, later event.

The first attack was a sort of foreshadowing.

These “people” are not bugs, and it has already been clarified, and will continue to be clarified through the rest of the description, that this is not a normal “people.”

2.. They bring and project a fire that destroys everything in its path

Joe 2:3   A fire devours before them; and behind them a flame burns: the land [is] as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them

3.. Their appearance is like horses, and they are very swift. They run, not walk

Joe 2:4   The appearance of them [is] as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

4.. They make a thundering noise like a mass of chariots, and are airborne. They fly and leap over mountains.

So, they are technologically advanced, swift, and can “leap” over things. They have a large fleet of aircraft.

Joe 2:5   Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devours the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

This fits the description of a UFO attack.

5.. They will cause the faces of people to twitch, and be tortured with pain, and turn black.

Joe 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

a. If this is a physical blackness:

What weapon or nature of attack would do this? The burning from verse 3?

Most normal fire and radiation turns the skin red, not black.

When skin is black, it is necrotic, unless it has been burned completely. Below is a picture of what happened at Hiroshima.


Hiroshima victim


b. If this blackness is of a different nature, the word here for black is a rare word, (פארור )and not used in modern times. It has a obscure use and meaning.

The common word for the color black is

שחור = black,

So, the word used here (פארור )(H 6289) is not real word for the color black.

This is a different kind of blackness, but due to pressure or heat of stress, resulting in actual paleness.

The ancient rare word (H6286) used here means to “ brightness, warmth or beauty”, and to gather blackness means to withdraw brightness:

רפָּאַ blackness, (root = glow heat, ruddy, beauty), grow pale with terror, consternation ( Tenach),

shocked dismay: a feeling of alarm, confusion, or dismay, often caused by something unexpected

Each Hebrew word in context seems to be suggesting that people’s faces are filled with torment and pain at the sight before them.

מִ From

פָּנָיו Face ( singular)

יָחִילוּ tremble

עַמִּים people (nations)

כָּל־פָּנִים all faces

A Hebrew speaking friend translated this for me:

Super literal  -  “from their faces peoples (nations) will tremble; faces gathered with blackness.”

מפניו   -  “from their faces” translates better to “because of them or at their presence.”

פארור is an extremely rare word but I suppose blackness works.


“Because of him…..just looking at the face of the enemy….their faces tremble or look astonished.”


What makes the face of the enemy more scary than other enemies?

Maybe it is a terrifying face they have never seen before.

Maybe the powerful creatures before them are not human, and the humans are overwhelmed.

They are compared to insects, which operate on raw instinct, and have no soul or conscience.

They are predators, with no mercy.

The earth shakes before them.

They make the heavens tremble.

The sun and moon turn dark. And the stars fail.

Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

This is the judgment of God on a wicked world.

There is no escape.


What to do?

It would be best not to be around during an attack like this.

The passage does not promise that anyone survives.

Joe 2:11

And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp [is] very great: for [he is] strong that executes his word: for the day of the LORD [is] great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

At this point, hiding will not help you.

God and this army will find you.

Buddha and Muhammed will not help you.

They are both dead.

Only repentance and turning to God will save you.

Isa 55:6

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

Joe 2:13

And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he [is] gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repents him of the evil.

This is a simple solution, but will mankind do this?

The bible predicts that most will not repent, and will suffer destruction.

It does not have to be this way.

Repent, and accept the salvation offered you, while there is still time.

Time is almost up.

The signs are all there.

283 Responses to “Demons, Bugs or People?”

  1. Discount UFO’s, The only people on this and other worlds are those made in the image of G-D, as was Adam and Eve.
    Angels of the Lord, called to destroy the wicked?
    Soldiers of the rightous with excoskeletons?
    G-D dwells in everlasting burnings, in other words Glory so intense that mere mortals are destroyed in his presence, save they are protected by the Holy Ghost. My considered opinion they are angels radiating the Glory of G-D, to destroy the wicked when he G-D comes to cleanse the Earth.
    I discount human military.

    • That might be accurate. It indicates this is due to God’s wrath, so they may be angels of vengeance, as in the 7 trumpets and vials.

  2. the end of the world is not coming…. on the contrary….. a new age of consciousness is taking shape and the planet earth is just evolving and graduating into a higher frequency….. yes, during any transition, upsets are bound to occur but this is not the main focus.. you christians love to speak about doom and gloom.. because you no nothing else.. you are all stuck in fear mode…… what is about to happen is going to be very beautiful…. no wars, no bloodshed and no pain… thats if of course you christians, muslims and jews dont blow it all up with your war mongering and battle drum beating towards iran…… the greatest thing that is going to happen in all the history of mankind is contact with extraterrestrials…… and its coming very soon….. making contact with an advanced race of beings from another planet will change mankind forever and destroy all religions and all our preconceived notions on what life really is…. all your religious dogma will finally fade away in the wind and the uiniverse will finally open up to us……. so stop talking about doom and gloom and be happy… be love…. have faith in a universal creator…. and no that everything has been ordained and everything will be ok….. get out of this fear consciousness and stop listening to all these madmen preachers on TBN……. and just live in the present moment and be happy…..

  3. and as for jesus… he died 2000 years ago just like buddha and muhammad…… start being one with god instead of worshiping some guy with a beard and a robe…..

    • John, you said, “and as for jesus… he died 2000 years ago just like buddha and muhammad”.

      The big difference between budda and muhmmad is that not only did Jesus die 2000 years ago, but he also resurrected three days later and now sits at the right hand of the Father speaking on behalf of those who belong to him. Budda and Muhammad as well any other so-called religious figure are still dead. It is Christ’s resurrection from the dead that sets him apart from anyone else. In fact, in the letter that Paul wrote to the Romans, he states that “he was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead.” Those ohers were just men, but Jesus was with the Father in eternity having no beginning or ending.

      The letter to the Hebrews states that Jesus is God and that he created all things!

      God the Father speaking regarding his Son:

      “In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.”

      “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.”

      Jesus is Lord and God.

      • Don,
        I believe John has left the scene. This is what our colleges are creating, People who blame everyone but themselves for the evil in the world. They are their own litlle gods, and they do not like it if you point out that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

    • I pray you change your mind about Jesus Christ. He is the ONLY way to the Father. And…yes, the end as “we know it” is coming soon. For Christians who know the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior, Lord and Master though it is the beginning of our eternal life with him. I personally am not looking at what is to come as the end….it is what I long for and what we all should be longing for. Our life on earth is just a brief time ….how we live it and who we worship will determine how we live eternally. I am grateful that the Lord as “drawn” me to him. John 6:44 No man can come to me,except the Father which hath sent me to draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day. I pray that if Jesus has tried to draw you to him, you do not refuse him. It could be your last chance soon.

  4. and as for the 7 trumpets…. the bible is allegory and metaphor that reflects a very deep hidden meaning… deep ancient wisdom.. the 7 trumpets are the 7 chakras of the human spine….. the book of revelation says i seen a book in his right hand, within and on the backside sealed with 7 seals.. did you know that their are 7 energy centers or chakras that go up the human spinal column and they all get activated when kundalini goes up the spine duriing meditation? yes this is all true but none of your preachers teach this because they have no clue.. the bible is not western thought but rather the whole book comes from the east…. do your homework… the right hand means the opening of the right side of the brain during meditation….. we use only 10% of our brains, the other 90% is dormant but meditation opens up this right hemisphere…. so their is your right hand… jesus said he sits on the RIGHT hand of the father.. he was referring to this also.. he also told his disciples to cast there nets on the RIGHT side of the boat and they will catch some fish.. do you get it yet? tithing is not about giving your money away to these preachers so they can get rich… tithing is giving away 10% of your left brain so you can recieve 90% of the right brain during meditation….. the left side is the intellect, buy shutting all that noise down during meditation you open up the creative side of the brain with is the right.. the place that lies inspiration, love, intution, spirituality and plugs into the the universe….

    • John,
      You’re putting out a weird message here. So aliens from outer space are arriving soon and are going to solve all the earth’s problems. I thought they were supposed to enslave us and serve us for dinner. Maybe we saw different movies.
      And the 7 seals are really 7 chakras? You have a weird take on the bible. And if you truly believe in the bible, and the chakras and all, you should do the world a favor and reinterpret the whole think so the people of the world might benefit and understand.
      So what is your source of prophecy? A book? Ancient texts? L. Ron Hubbard? A dream you had after eating some bad clams? Help us out here.
      Actually we have our own extraterrestrial entity who will be visiting us soon. He’s not only not from earth, He actually created it. Then He sent His son for a short visit, but He will be back any time now.
      How will you know this is true? Keep posted to this web site. As the prophecies of the bible come to pass, we will fill you in. It won’t be long before “biblical” events begin to happen. At that point, even you will be convinced that God is real. In the mean time you may continue to believe whatever nonsense you wish.
      But rest assured, extraterrestrial contact is imminent, it just might not be what you’re expecting.

      May God bless you and give you understanding.

    • This is no weird message. This is very logical when you are into New Age. What are saying are the lies of deceiving demons. You will be like God. Satan could not achieve it, now he is luring mankind a second time with this. No turning from one’s evil ways, instead they want self-redemption. This kind of meditation will lead you to deception and destruction.
      These extraterrestrials, if they come at all, are only demons posing as such. Because you have not loved the truth, God will send you strong delusions.

  5. John
    Jesus most assuredly is alive, and when you find out it might be too late. I say this not to instill fear in you, though that fear is well founded. But I say this to make you realize that there is absolutely nothing that Bhudda, Allah, or Vishnu can do to save you. It is ONLY Jesus that can save you, because he is risen, and alive and well sitting, literally, at the right hand of God. We have the assurance that he is alive, which is granted by the Holy Spirit which resides in us.
    As for the apparent doom and gloom we Christians have, this is solely based on our love for others such as yourself, who have never experienced the peace we have in Jesus. As Paul puts it in 2 Corinthians 4:7-14,

    “But we have treasures in Jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God. 8. We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; 9. persecuted but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10. always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the LIFE of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies…14. Knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into His (God’s) prescence.”

    How is it that True Christianity has survived these 2000 years, despite the persecution, and attacks from the adversaries of our faith? It is because we have that inner peace and Joy, in the face of persecution, which you are seeking, and which you will not find anywhere, except in the living Saviour, Jesus Christ. “Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day” (verse16) This renewal is only through KNOWING, assuredly, Through the Spirit, which God has Given us as a gurantee (5:5) That we are his treasured possession.

    You claim to be wise, But all you are doing is exchanging the Glory of the Immortal God which was manifested in Jesus, for Images resembling mortal men. I asked you to read Romans ch.1-2, which states that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentence, but because of your hard and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself. (Rom 2:4-5) You see our pointing out your sin as us being judgemental, but it is the opposite, it is based on Love for you knowing that you will face God’s wrath. Which is the more loving thing to do, Not say anything to you, and allow you to face the wrath of God, or point you in the only direction which can save you?? Your pride does not allow you to repent. Therefore you throw rocks at those who would point you in the right direction. That is why you came here to begin with, is it not? What you do not realize is that those rocks will not lead us to follow your path, they only renew our inner conviction that Jesus is alive and well and is coming again.

    You see, the Only way to find the Love, and the peace that you seek, is to go on your knees before the cross, and ask to receive that Gift. We worship a living God and saviour, not a dead prophet. The proof is our conviction, to the point of suffering your stones thrown at us. They only fulfill our Joy.

  6. everything i have said is scientific fact and was known about by the ancients for thousands of years… even freemasons know all about what i posted and dont say freemasonry was evil because george washington was a master mason….. the bible is allegory that hlds hiddenmeanings and these hidden meanings are based on the ancient secret knowledge.. jesus was an essene…. he was part of a secret sect.. he knew all about the 7 chakras and meditation…. the problem is most christians were never privy to this knowldege because you were never taught it….. the church keeps it secrret….

    • John,

      This has nothing to do with the church keeping things secret, for they can only get their information from the same place that I do, which is the word of God. And regarding his word, I have studied it for 40 years and have never come across any of the information that you are claiming. Furthermore, if you only believe that Jesus was man like Buddah and Mohamad, then you do not belong to Christ, but are in fact denying the one who bought you.

    • I hope you know that free masons worship Satan, on their last degree they drink blood and swear alliance to Satan.!!!

    • John let me know how hot HELL is when you ” bust” it wide open.

    • John carlo &Co
      Jesus Knows everything, and he gave his Holy Spirit to his followers and will lead them, ultimately, into all truth, so you better wise up and seek repentance, You sound like you are enlightened by the light of Lucifer or Reason, or Logic, or Knowledge, the tree of knowledge won’t save you, the Serpent won’t liberate you, but he will lead you to defeat. You won’t find faith by reason, and sure as hell the Theosophic scociety won’t and can’t give you it. Faith isn’t according to mans reason, only God can give it, and he gives it to the contite and humble of heart.

      John 18:20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

      The truth is out, Constantine could not stamp it out, he was far too late, the funny thing is Saul of Tarsus was one of the first to spread the truth, by trying to stamp it out he just spread it farther, And they took their part of the Bible with them, like bowing seeds from flower the castodians of the truth were scattered abroad.
      there are some 5200 paper witnesses to the Scripture scatterd all over the globe (not counting the 45 confused witnesses to the corrupt Alexandrian text) and they all say the same thing, that the Gory of the Lord will fill the whole world, and that the wisdom of God will be revealed through His Church. History also tels us there has been far in exess of 60 000 000 brave men women and Gildren who laid their life down rather than bow the knee to Rome.

      You could be saved but it is only for ‘whosoever believeth’ John 3:16 Rom 10:9 John 1:12

      Psalms 34:18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

      Pride cannot come near to that, as I recall.

      God Bless

  7. yes all the bible stories are allegory….. guess where david hit goliath with the sling shot..? yes right between the eyes.. the place of the third eye and pineal gland of the brain.. the 7 churches in revelation.. the 7 headed beast.. its all metaphor.. they are talking about the 7 chakras of the human spine… and dont forget 666 is on the forehead right between the eyes… 6+6+6=18—1+8=9…9 is the number for higher consciousness……and dont forget the faity tale story of jericho.. they walked around the wall 7…. dont you get it by now?

  8. i enjoy talking with all of you…… God is all about Love and I am a man of love….. buddha was all about love and kindness… the dali lama is one of the most loving peaceful men on the planet at this time

  9. and concerning UFOS… yes our govt has UFOS that they reversed engineered from the roswell crash…. and the american govt has very advanced technology that they dont share with the people… will their be a fake alien invasion ? yes they might happen.. but its not really our space brothers ITS YOUR GOVT TO TRY TO BRING IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER !!!!!! so dont blame our loving space brothers…….the truth will all come you… very soon

  10. excuse me but we dont need prophets…. we dont need to know about the future because all that exists in the present moment.. the new quantum physics is proving this by the day… STOP worrying about the past… it no longer exists.. stop worrying about the future because it didnt come yet… the only thing that exists in this universe is the “NOW’ .. if you can ennjoy life and concentrate on the present moment.. you will stop getting all your anxiety about the future…… just life in the “NOW and dont judge it.. no that everything that is happening is the way it should be.. rejoice in the now for it is on the now that all life is occuring….. we dont need prophets.. all we need is love, peace and bliss in the present moment….. be love, be happy, rejoice in the time you are having now and let GOD handle the future details…….

  11. and yes.. Jesus was an “ESSENE” maybe you should all do your homework………

  12. “Jews, Orotodox and Catholic Christians are the only ones who belongs to God. ”

    that is soooooooooooo arrogant and RUDE!!! what a horrible statement… you are saying that everyone who is not JEW, ORTHODOX OR A CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN ARE EVIL AND FROM THE DEVIL AND NOT PART OF THE CREATOR? THIS IS WHY I DONT WANT YOU CHRISTIANS PART OF MY GOVT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU JUDGE OTHERS !!!!!!!!

  13. YOU ARE A RACIST !!!

    • John
      Ignore android, he has a set of twisted beliefs.

      What you call “UFO’s” are what the Bible calls fallen angels. They are not a race from another planet, but demonic spirits, and their materialization in our world. Read genesis 6, and the book of Enoch, and you will learn what they are. If You notice, they were first reported around 1947, the year Israel became a nation again. This is what kicked off the prophecied end time events, which will culminate in the day of the Lord, where he will Judge those who do not believe in him. We are at the doorstep of those events, and time is quickly running out. You however do not see this because you are so busy looking with your third eye. Those fallen angels will also face their judgement as well. That is why they are being released from their shackles for a time. They will attempt to deceive humanity, with the help of their leaders, one of whom is Satan himself, the Serpent who deceived eve in the Garden of Eden.

      Now you may say these are all fairy tales, but they are real. These fallen angels are responsible for all false religions around the world. From The egyptian Gods you spoke of to The “angel of light” which appeared to Mohammad, to Vishnu, to the gods of greek mythology, to Bhuddism. You have fallen into their deception, and that is why I am pointing you to the cross. What Christ did on the cross was give a gift for all people.there was nothing secret about it. The Gospel is quite simple. Accept the Gift, and be spared the wrath for sin, or deny the gift, and continue to face the deserved wrath for man’s sin. Sin is open rebellion against God. That is what you are doing by rejecting it. Man can do absolutely nothing to Merit salvation. Even if you meditate yourself to the point of death, you will not find your peace, you will only find emptiness, and you will be no closer to God. In fact that empty void left when you meditate is the ideal breeding ground for these demons. You are opening the door for them, when you should be opening the door to Christ.

      I will refrain from commenting to You after this comment. You have come looking for Love and have rejected the God who “IS love”. You have come looking for peace, and have rejected the Peace that comes from knowing Jesus is alive and risen. Now you have come looking for knowledge and wisdom, which can only be Granted by the Holy Spirit, AKA the Spirit of Truth. If you reject him, you will continue in your folly till the end.

      As Paul puts it when instructing Titus to preach the Gospel; “As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, Knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is SELF CONDEMNED” (Titus 3:10-11) Obviously, you are here to slander and attack, those who follow Jesus. You do not come in Love, but in Hate. You are not looking for peace, but rather to bring division. You are not looking for truth, but rather are spreading Lies and deceptions. Your Life is in Yahwehs hands now.

      If you look carefully, what you are searching for is the triune God, But instead of finding Him You have found your trinity within man. You have replaced the God of Heaven with a mere mortal god, who cannot save himself, let alone others. Good luck witht that though, cause you are playing into the hands of the adversary of the Creator God. I pray that God will reach down and open the eyes of your heart, That you will see God and not man as your salvation. For the number of Man is 666. And the third eye which you have opened is the eye of the devil. Who wants nothing more than for you to see yourself as your own god, AKA humanism.



    If you do not believe in JESUS CHRIST or GOD’s WORD, why are you here on this site? If you want to learn, then that is one thing, but it is not appropriate to come to Marianne’s page and make the type of comments that you are making. You are initiating conflict with an evil intent. You may believe in your dahli llama, your free masons, your illuminati, your witchcraft and devilment-that is your personal choice. However, you WILL bow your knee and proclaim JESUS CHRIST IS LORD whether it be in this life or the next.

    You are playing with some mighty hot unquinchable fire by embracing the
    things you embrace. GOD will not be mocked, what so ever a man soweth, that also shall he reap. You are sowing some mighty nasty seeds indeed.

    Marianne, I apologize to you-this is not how I am normally, but time is too short and the price too high to pussyfoot around with the devil.

    John Carlo, until I am told of the HOLY GHOST not to do so, I will be praying
    for your salvation. You are still a soul regardless of that which currently controls you and speaks through you. GOD is still on the throne and JESUS is still sitting on HIS right hand-there is still a chance for you to know HIM.

    • The good thing is…we know the “end of the story”…Praise Jesus Christ. He that sits on the throne at the right hand of the Father! Yes, I will pray to the the Holy Spirit speaks mightly to his heart as the time is short!

  16. i dont need you to pray for my salvation….. GOD lies within me and that is all i need

    • No…You need Jesus Christ. I agree, why are you on this site. I do not believe there is a person on here that you could convince otherwise that Jesus Christ is the Only way to get to the Father. Hell ain’t pretty…the fire is never quinched.

  17. my intention here is to wake you up but i will leave.. not a problem

  18. i love god….. i believe in god…. god is everything to me.. but i dont use the christian faith to get me to my father……. i have my own truth and my own beliefs and thank god i live in a free country in order to be able to do this……and i want my govt to be neutral in the affair of religion and public schools as well…. their are many muslim kids, and hindu kids and jewish kids who go to public schools and christians have no right to force these kids to pray to jesus or to pray in the christian way….. should thier be a moment of silence? absolutely.. every public school should offer a 5 minute moment of silence so kids can reflect upon their maker in the way that they choose to…… but to make the bible the law of the land and to force jesus on kids who are no christian is a crime against freedom and free thought…and this is what america is all about… not only to be free to pursue material happiness but also to be free to pursue their spiritual happiness whatever it may be… this is why i love america.. this is why that flag means so much to me… but when this great nation turns into a totaliteriainistic theocracy… it becomes a witchhunt and this is anti-freedom and anti- america..

  19. Christians are not discriminated against in america…… not once did i hear about a story of the FBI knocking down the doors of a church and arresting people who are praying to jesus…… christians can go to church anytime they want…… every sunday here in new jersey christians go to their catholic mass or their born again christian get togethers and i never see cop cars surroundings these churches or these gatherings.. every sunday my mom and my sisters go to catholic mass and not once did they ever get arrested…… christians are free just like everybody else… but when christians decided to proselytize and try to force their views on other americans who are not christians, that is where is the problem comes in… when chrsitians try to bully themselves in govt, when christians try to force their way into public schools, when they try to put up nativity scenes on govt grounds , when christians try to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies.. THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT US LIBERALS HAVE….. we are not against christianity.. we just dont want christians to force their belief on others and to discriminate against those who follow a different faith……. since i been on this forum the past 2 days…. i was told i was from the devil and was told i was going to hell if i didnt put jesus in my heart about 7 times…… and this is the problem i have with born again christians.. catholics really dont bother other people… they believe in live and let live.. they do there thing, go to mass and i usually dont find them on the corner giving out leaflets or trying to force their faith on govt…the ones that try to get into peoples faces are the born again christians… and we cannot have this in a free society…… you born againers have to start respecting other peoples beliefs and other peoples spiritual path and not be judgmental against them…. you have to learn to be tolerant of other peoples religions and keep your opinons to yourself….. you cannot force you way or your culture on others….. their was a time when america was mostly white WASPS and i can understand your concerns that america is changing and the melting pot is getting bigger… this is culture shock i am sure and i can understand.. but you cannot bring back the clock.. people from all walks of life are coming to american shores to find a better life and to be free and to be able to practice their religion in peace.. they want to send their kids to school without being harrassed by christians and telling them they are going to hell if they dont put jesus in their hearts.. you just cant do this!!! you have to respect all americans and their faith and their religious views and their culture…… i love that america is brown, blue, white, orange and green….. i think multi-culturism is a great things…. their would be no rainbow in our skies if their were not different colors….. i love to expand my knowledge and learn about other races and their cultures.. i dont want to be stuck in my little anglo/european world and dislike other people because they think differently then me….. i tried curry chicken last week with an indian/hindu family on my block and i enjoyed myself so much !! in order for this world to change, we must all unite as one and respect eachother instead of being bigots and trying to push you religion on others…… im glad that america is not 100% anglo anymore… i love the beauty of all races and all religions and the great thing about it is that all our roads lead to GOD and we are all one with the universal creator……again if you born again christians want to pray to jesus, go to your churches be my guest !! I want you to do this !! its a beautiful thing that this is your way and you find solace in this…. its part of americas freedoms… i will never desocrate your church or go inside and yell and scream and tell everyone that their jesus is false and that you are all going to hell !! i respect your views.. but at the same token,, i would like you born againers to stay out of other peoples lives, my govt, my public schools and stop trying to dictate your truth on me because this is not what the founding fathers wanted…… i came on this forum to basically tell you this… yes i gave you some buddhist thought and tried to tell you how we believe.. but mainly i came here to tell you chrsitians that america is a free country… and their are millions and millions of liberals that will stop you from trying to force your way on our society……. and believe it or not there are many chrsitians who are not part of the born again commuinity who are not republcians and who believe the same way as i do and many of your own flock speak out against your born again views……. so in closiing.. live and let live and dont judge……. enjoy your jesus and pray and do all the things you want to do but please stop trying to convert people ……thanks John Carlo

    • john

      the christian jesus is now out of the schools and government.

      we now have increased pregnancy of girls

      unlimited abortions on demand

      no prayer in schools

      students murdering each other in school

      marital law passed this winter

      christian prayer forbidden in public, although muslims can do what they want.

      corruption in government

      politicians that will sell you to the devil, while they take your tax dollars to provide luxuries for themselves.

      it was the chirstians who died in war, so you could have the liberties you have.

      but it was the liberals who forced their godlessness on america

      now america will burn

      it no longer has the protection of god..

      watch the near future, and see for yourself.

      • You are so right!!!!

      • Well put. Yes…now it’s is America’s turn for God to remove his protection from us. Yes, Jesus is now being forced out of everything. What happens to the rights of ALL the ones that want to see the ten commandments in schools….one person …one person can get that changed today if they are against it. It is not “majority rules”…our own President did not honor National Prayer day …attacks the Christian Bible in many of his speeches…God is not happy with America. Our time has come!

    • So youJohn Carlo like the freedom to go everywhere and experience everything there is to experience but want Christians to stay out of schools, stay out of other peoples lives, my govt, my public schools and stop trying to dictate your truth on me because this is not what the founding fathers wanted. So you liberals can slaughter millions of unborn (of which all humanity was) and take away their freedom to live and experience life, they who are the weakest and least able to defend themselves and you liberals call yourselves liberated and free while slaughtering these unborn children? So if you like Islamist take over the world and carry on your agendas you will be left facing each other with the same agendas, you slaughtering the unborn and Islam slaughtering the born who they don’t agree with and we all know which of you will win don’t we? Sweden is clearly not winning the war on Islam by standing around letting their women and children be raped and mugged and not acting or reacting to these violations against humanities right to dignity and freedom. You seem to be in the same pie as them except it is not likely you will win the war. You kill the defenceless unborn millions (cowards) and they (Islamic cowards) kill all of us in the same hatred. So much for liberal rights and freedom of which I have zero respect! You both seem to be made of the same stuff.

  20. when christians were in charge of this nation.. we had the revolutionary war… we had the decimation of millions of native americans…. we had slavery.. we had the civil war.. we had world war one.. we had world war 2.. we had korea.. we had vietnam… we had iraq, we have afgkansitan ( yes chrsitians are still pushing behind the scenes) and now we are ready for Iran…… do you honestly beleive that anybody else can compete with this kind of bloodshed and violence? no…. nobody can compete with the misery this judeo/chrsitian system has brought to this planet.. if america burns it because they have killed millions of iraqi men women and children who were sleeeping in their beds while they were getting ripped apart by bombs.. yes GOD is watching everything and he is also watching the way jews are treating the palestinian people and the only person that is going to get shocked is you my friend.. the loving god of the universe does not support aparthied…..

    • we fight to stop apartheid, and slavery.

      if you want your version of freedom, move to Iraq, and see how they treat you.

    • So John C the loving god of the universe does not support aparthied…..and the slaughter and enslavement of Jews and the theft of their lands and Jerusalem and their Temple and the scattering of the Jews all over the world in the theft of their only Homeland was and is not aparteid. We all know or should know their were no Arabs in Israel when the Lord started to restore these Jewish people of their stolen lands, they purchased from the few Bedouins and Ottomans that stole Israel. You are too funny to call our Jewish brothers what you have done for do you not know the scripture says that He will curse those who curse Israel the Jews and He will bless those who Bless Israel. Well the Arabs who immigrated to Israel as they purchased their lands back and began to turn their lands to a land flowing with milk and honey, under the auspices of the True God and Creator of us all, these Arabs are under a curse for their hatred and violence to Israel. They did not live in Israel but were allowed profound immigration when England produced the Balfour Declaration and they clearly had won these lands from the Ottomans as did the Muslims from the Christians, Romans and Byzantiums. I have no pity for the bullies of this world and Islamic and Arab peoples who hate all non-muslims and seek our demise and Israels’ is no friend to anyone and will not win their battle of anhialation of Gods’ People and neither will you liberals. lol lol lol You are in the wrong army Juan Carlos. Isn’t it nice you and I can come in here and express our opinions?

  21. marianne.. thank you for letting me express my views on your blog for the past 2 days……. it was a honor.. yes i got a bit ruff at times but beleive me im a good person and im a man of love and even though i no longer belong to the christians faith, i still love god with all my heart and soul.. again god bless you and thank you for givng me the time to express myself in your home.. i wish you well and all happiness in the future….Giovanni

    • john

      sometimes it helps to let let off steam. we are angry and need to express it.

      I do not believe in forcing beliefs. I try to let people think through what they think.

      sometimes they conclude the same as me, sometimes they continue to disagree.

      i agree with some of your criticisms, but not the final conclusion.

      I pray you find the happiness and peace you are looking for.

  22. Dear Marianne – After reading these posts – the world is alot worse off than I ever dreamed. Joel is what Peter quoted at the 2nd. coming of Jesus Christ on the Day of Pentecost. When they all received the Revelation of Jesus Christ in their heart and mind,body and soul. It’s the same thing now because the 2nd. coming is ending. And the world is in the same shape as when Jesus came the 1st. time. In all the Bible every major dispensation like Noah’s day, Moses day. You see the Moon as blood, dark clouds, locusts armies of natural locusts and Men -spiritual beings having a human spirit. That is so void of understanding, it is “reprobate” concerning any type of morality. They do not want to attain God in their thinking. So they turn into beast. Armies. All Gentile armies are Beasts unless converted. War is all they know. Killing is all they know.
    Yet at the same time is Gods Bride upon the Planet and they are preserved in God HImself. They cannot be touched by the 2nd. death, their election is sure, Their salvation is sure, They love their Lord Jesus Christ and He loves them. And he will carry them into a safe haven.
    Now another thing is Rev. 13:1-4 — Who can make war with her. Ver. 3 one of its Heads = its got 2 heads – was wounded to death. But was healed. Now over in Rev. 13:11 here comes the 2nds beastly “Image” that was healed and it is the USA. The People that actually lived through the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan. Said literally – it was like “fire coming down from Heaven. The 2nd. Beastly system excerciseth ver12 – all the power of the 1st. beastly system which was Emperial Rome going to Papal Rome and still lives today as a private initity in the Vatican city. But the US has so many ties with her now – The Catholic church has rode all the rich nations and is riding the world as I talke. But where is the Unitied Nations, etc etc. at. Wall street, and a Church that is so meshed to gether in american that you cannot tell a Catholic from a Pentecostal anymore. Its a mess. Im not a good writer and It late for me now. But I hope you get something from this message that will help some one. The beginning of Rev. 13 its just quoting Daniels 4 beastly nations that ruled. So who has been the most powerful Nation since about 1940 — USA. God bless you all

    • hi tom

      thanks for your thoughts. I have heard different interpretations, but it all comes down to the same thing. we are in big trouble. I hope for the soon return of Jesus to end the insanity I see.

    • Tom,
      I agree with your assertion that the first beast is the Holy Roman Empire. It followed the 4th beast of Daniel which was the Roman Empire. As Dan iel said, the beast had 10 horns (The ten toes of the statue and the ten nations of Europe at the time of the fall of the empire.
      Dan 7:8
      I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
      This little horn is the Vatican and the man is the pope, speaking blasphemies. The three horns (nations) that were destroyed (plucked up) were the Heruli, Vandals and Visigoths.
      So after 554 A.D. the beast (now the first beast of Revelation) has 7+1 heads, not 2. And the head that was wounded was the little horn, the Vatican, when Napoleon took the pope by sword point in 1798 and ended the Holy Roman Empire. The Vatican lost its kingdom (beast status) until 1929 when it became a sovereign nation and the deadly wound was healed.
      Thus the Vatican became the second beast – almost the same as the first beast except for the loss of political power. It has the horns of a lamb – it appears to be Christlike – but it is apostate and blasphemous. This description can not describe the U.S. We are a secular power, not a religious one, and we did not come out of the first beast.
      The image of the Vatican, who speaks for it, is the pope, and the number of his name (title, in latin) – Vicarius Filii Dei – adds up to 666 in Roman numerals. I would say that clinches it for the Vatican as the 2nd beast, not America.
      And if the US is the beast, what will our mark be? Forced health care? Mandatory ID Cards? What could the prez do to piss of God so much that He would send end-time plagues? And would they only be for US citizens? Doesn’t sound like God to me.
      But the pope has already offended God. Danil called the Vatican (little horn) blasphemous as does rev13. The mark will be heresy to God’s law. The next pope will command it from all his people, and they will follow blindly. In fact the mark of the beast is already here and has been for 1,500 years. That’s why the whole world will wonder after (follow) the beast.
      Also, the woman (whore of Babylon church) rides the beast. The Catholic church does not ride on the back of America, but the Vatican. A lot of preachers have claimed that the US is the 2nd beast but no-one has made all the pieces fit into place properly. I tried to verify their claims, but the bible does not agree.
      Check the verses again and see what I mean.

      • a little confused. where does it say the beast had 2 heads, and got reduced to 1?

        Rev 13:1 says it has 7 heads, and 10 horns, so that leaves 6 heads, if one is wounded.

        • It’s in Daniel 7, but I never said it was 2 then 1, but ten, then 7, not counting the little horn (head):

          Dan 7:7
          After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns. (The ten toes of the statue).
          Dan 7:8
          I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

          This explains how the Vatican (little horn) would take power over Europe at the end of the Roman empire and wipe out three of the ten kingdoms as I outlined above.
          When John sees this modified beast (the Holy Roman Empire) he sees the ten original nations, but only 7 remaining kings, the other 3 being killed. (The land, of course, could not be destroyed, only the people, thus the ten and the seven.) Wherever you read of the ten/seven heads/horns it refers to the Holy Roman Empire or the soon to come restored Holy Roman Empire. It is mentioned in rev12 as it tried to kill the true church, and almost succeeded.

          Horns, heads, crowns etc all have similar meanings. It is simply a matter of how the prophets described the images that the angel was presenting to them. The wounded head/horn is the Vatican -the little horn or technically the 11th horn. But since it came up later, it wasn’t counted as a “real” horn, perhaps because it was not a nation like the others, but just a religious power. So it is 10/7 rather than 11/8. Either would work, but 10 and 7 are more biblical numbers, so maybe that is why it was written that way. I don’t know – ask Jesus when He gets here…

          By the way, you know how the stone (Christ) strikes the feet of the statue in Dan2, then sets up His kingdom on earth? Those ten toes He strikes will be the restored Holy Roman Empire. This will include the Vatican – the beast the woman rides also called Babylon. He must destroy all apostasy within Christianity before taking over and marrying the church. This will be true no matter who you think Babylon is. But why would He also want to destroy the US or Islam, or anyone else you might think could be Babylon? Teach them the truth, the light and the way, maybe, but why just destroy? Not like God to do that.

          So there you go. 🙂

        • Marianne – The two heads is mentioned if Rev. 13:3 – But remember the Last Kingdom of Iron and clay – is the last one of the two. Its It was part clay and part iron. Daniel – The clay sticks to everythings. That is the Papal kingdom of the dark ages. —- It was expoused also by Martin Luther for what it really was. Anti-christ to the core – that is what started the reformation. Then in our day the Universal church = Catholic – has taken over again through denominations, and integrading into all forms of religion . This would be the 2 head. Rev. 13:11 – NOTICE real careful now – The other Beast came up out of the Earth – the 1st. Beast Rev. 13:1 came up out of the seas = peoples,nations etc etc. American is the only nation that has become a great leading power that started in 15 hundreds was just barren land and some indians. The Puritans was freedom from religion. And they got it. But now it right back under Catholicism again. Even Congress has a Roman Catholic sitting in every session and the Pentegon years ago was 80 percent Catholic. Now with all the open Boarder to American the last 25 years its about all Catholics coming across the line. Along with all other religions as well. Got to go for now. God bless ya. bro. tom

          • head # 1 = ????

            head # 2 = ????

            • Marianna – Eygpt, Assyrian, Babylon, Medes and persian, Greciean, Imperial Rome, Papal Rome of the Dark ages and then the Rev. 17:11 is the answer to your question. Im sorry it is just hard to write down all these things and they are difficult enough if you can sit down with somebody and talk straight out to them. So writing it down is hard to touch on all bases. Verse 11 is talking about 8th. revised Rome that was also a part of the 7 Beastly Nations that ruled the Earth from Moses on. If you will read Rev. 17 and 18 you can see it is a apostate faith. The Mystery of Babylon the Mother of Harlots. Yes Babylon set a standard of Idolatry from Gen. 11 Nimrod = rebellion to Now. Babylon is the golden standard for Nicolaitan, Balaam, and Jezebel religions that is why she is still mentioned in Rev. 17:8 The BEAST THAT WAS, AND IS NOT, YET IS. All the ages of the World die and then another comes up. Just like the 7 Ages of the church. There are only 2 beliefs systems. Anti-christ and Christ IN YOU. And Doctrine that does not teach you that Christ Comes in the flesh is Anti-christ. 1 Jh. This is why it is so important to know TRUE PROPHETS From the MANY False prophets Jesus was always telling us about. True Prophets wrote the Book as the HOLY GHOST LED THEM TO> Every age bar none have True and False prophets. Yet the TRUE are few and far in-between all the false ones. Are age is no different. Most today are taught by the Christian church not to even Believe in PROPHETS anymore. They think the Son of God is all they need. YET it was the SON OF GOD that Sent GIFTS into the Church called Apostles, Prophets, teachers, etc. etc. Eph.4. Cause GOD has always used MAN to deliever HIS MESSAGE. God became a man – Making Jesus a Son of Man – After death and resurrection He became Son of God -Back to God to be the Mediator – Had to become a Son of Man to die for our sins. On and on I could go.
              Rev. 18:2- Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of evry fould spirit, and a cage of every unclean andhateful bird and ALL nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of fornication. Balaam doctrine Rev. 2:14-15 – These devils and demons possess men. God called them -locusts, snakes, vipers in a hole, wild beasts, devils, Father of the devil, said they was dead while they was walking, whited tombs walking around, twice dead plucked up by the roots. Why cause Like in Rom. 1 they would not worship God of the Creation and changed the truth into a lie, that plainly speaks that there is a God. And mankind gave themselves over to men with men, woman with women, killers, thiefs, vile affections, wickedness, reprobate of mind, covetousness, backbiters, deceitful, murderers, unmerciful, without natural affection. The Book of Revelation is speaking of the consummation of all things that are evil as coming to an end – Just Praise God you belong to God. If He dwells in YOU and YOU in HIM – it will be a JOYOUS day for us. Cause Christ is the only thing that can deliever us from Death, Hell, and the Grave. But we must serve him with all our Hearts, Body, MIND, and Soul = Passions. Gotta Go – Lord bless you all and your families. In Christ name Shalom and peace be unto your family and all that are willing to serve God in His Fullness. Bro. Tom

      • James I understand what you saying. But Now its a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and USA is right in the middle of it all. They the World give their MIND to the Beast. Rev. 17:13-14 – These have ONE MIND. And they shall make war with the LAMB — The Mark is the MIND,YOUR SPIRIT,and SOUL given over to the Mind of the BEASTLY powers of Religion, and Economies, Education, And War that is all man knows how to do. I get back with ya as soon as I can I got to do some things today. God bless

      • I thought the church rode the global government.

        Plus, the reason for this subject may be robotics. Like drones with rockets, or little lizard crawlers for the military to blow up terrorist inside their hideouts.

  23. It has always been taught that the stages that consume are the different stages and moulting stages of the locust: eggs to hopper to immature to mature etc and are exactly the stages of the nations that came up against Israel to consume her until she was scattered completely. Otherwise why would the generations be told to tell all her children and other generations?

    3Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation.

    4That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.

    The description is perfect of what was left in Israel actually right up to when the Ottomans were overturned even the famous writer Mark Twain wrote of his visit that Israel was a land desolate with only a few bedouins wandering through and Jerusalem fosaken of life. It is an apt description of the verses:
    6For a nation is come up upon my land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.

    7He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree: he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away; the branches thereof are made white.

    8Lament like a virgin girded with sackcloth for the husband of her youth.

    9The meat offering and the drink offering is cut off from the house of the LORD; the priests, the LORD’s ministers, mourn.

    10The field is wasted, the land mourneth; for the corn is wasted: the new wine is dried up, the oil languisheth.

    I rather cannot doubt that the second chapter is the description of the introduction of the terrible atom bombs work of desolation which is almost a perfect description given of Chernobyl but, was also the herald of the trumpet to bring His children home to Israel in WWII, just as chapter 3 describes and just as has been done before the great and terrible day of the Lords’ wrath upon the Nations.

    20But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.

    21Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.

    22Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.

    23Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

    24And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.

    25And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

    26And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

    27And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

    28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

    29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

    Noticeably the remainder which describes the wrath upon the nations upon the deliverance of His children Jews and Gentiles is described on Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be delivered. It is very simple in light of the History of the Destruction and theft of the Lords Holy Land and His people and of their restoration and the Judgement and wrath upon the nations which is very quickly dealt with.

    30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

    31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

    32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

    • Sorry this and the above passages were from Mathew 24: 21 – 51. Jesus is so specific that it is amazing that it causes such controversy in Christendom today. The Islamic armies that are getting ready to anhialate Israel for the 6 th time in the last 64 years, with the support of Russia and Europe and maybe America should push alarm bells especially for Christians. Unfortunately it does not and they will go on looking for the elusive doctrines of mens’ fullfillments when it all stares us all (I should say Israel though all our lands are filling with the Islamic Beasts cohorts who have already taken the Mark of Islam and whose souls are lost to its’ worship of the Satanic demi god of the false prophet Muhammed) square in the face today.

      21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

      22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

      23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

      24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

      25 Behold, I have told you before.

      26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

      27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

      28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

      29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

      30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

      31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

  24. This was the desolations of Israel before the hand of the Jews and their Lord restored it to what we see today fulfilling the desolations of Joel and many other passages of the scriptures. Going to this site you may read of the varied travelers going to the Holy Land long ago under the Ottomans and finally find it totally desolate with almost none living there irregardless of the lieing reports of Arabs that call themselves palestinians which never did exist. It is the new lie that even Christians believe but only a few Bedouins were found there as Twain remarks and do many. The Prophets warning were totally fulfilled as were the new restorations where the Land of Israel the desert has indeed blossomed like a rose under its Rightful inhabitants the Hebrew People, Israel:
    Come to Galilee for that… these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barrenness, that never, never do shake the glare from their harsh outlines, and fade and faint into vague perspective; that melancholy ruin of Capernaum: this stupid village of Tiberias, slumbering under its six funereal palms…. We reached Tabor safely …. We never saw a human being on the whole route. 24
    Nazareth is forlorn …. Jericho the accursed lies a moldering ruin today, even as Joshua’s miracle left it more than three thousand years ago: Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and their humiliation, have nothing about them now to remind one that they once knew the high honor of the Savior’s presence; the hallowed spot where the shepherds watched their flocks by night, and where the angels sang, “Peace on earth, good will to men,” is untenanted by any living creature… Bethsaida and Chorzin have vanished from the earth, and the “desert places” round about them, where thousands of men once listened to the Savior’s voice and ate the miraculous bread, sleep in the hush of a solitude that is inhabited only by birds of prey and skulking foxes.25
    “Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes…. desolate and unlovely.. . Twain wrote with remone. it is dreamland.” 26
    Mark Twain, in his inimitable fashion, expressed scom for what he called the “romantic” and “prejudiced” accounts of Palestine after he visited the Holy Land in 1867.21 In one location after another, Twain registered gloom at his findings.
    Stirring scenes … occur in the valley [Jezreel] no more. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent-not for thirty miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Bedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation. One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. 22
    In fact, according to Twain, even the Bedouin raiders who attacked “so fiercely” had been imported: “provided for the occasion … shipped from Jerusalem,” by the Arabs who guarded each group of pilgrims.
    They met together in full view of the pilgrims, after the battle, and took lunch, divided the baksheesh extorted in the season of danger and then accompanied the cavalcade home to the city! The nuisance of an Arab guard is one which is created by the sheikhs and the Bedouins together, for mutual profit… 23
    To find “. . . the sort of solitude to make one dreary,” one must, Twain wrote dramatically,

  25. Out of interest I have put the descriptions here from biblical source. The description of the nations that devoured Israel and especially the Islamic rulers that have devoured both Israel, the Holy land and the early cradle of Christianity is so precise in Joels’ description.

    Curiously …Among Mohammedans, “Lord of the locusts” is a title of their god..

    (Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, 1871,
    Jamieson, Fausset and Brown)

    Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible
    1.palmerworm: 1501 gazam; from an unused root meaning to devour
    2.locust: 697 ‘arbeh; from 7235; a locust (from its rapid increase).
    7235 rabah; a primitive root; to increase (in whatever respect).
    3.cankerworm: 3218 yeleq; from an unused root meaning to lick up; a devourer; specifically the young locust.
    4.caterpillar: 2625 chaciyl; from 2628; the ravager.
    2628 chacal; a primitive root; to eat off:–consume.
    Life Application Bible:
    1.palmerworm: cutting locust
    2.locust: swarming locust
    3.cankerworm: hopping locust
    4.caterpillar: destroying locust


    Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament–Joel:
    1.palmerworm: gnawer
    2.locust: multiplier
    3.cankerworm: licker
    4.caterpillar: devourer

    • Marie Jean,
      An apology is in order on my part regarding the 1998 Jubilee. As I have been reworking my timelines, this date has gained a new importance. It Marks the beginning of the seventh millenial day, Just as Jesus was born at approx. 3 bc, and Jacob was born on approx 2003 bc, and the Kingdom of Israel was born witht the Kingship of David approx. 1003 bc, and creation itself was approx. 4003 bc. What better way to mark the beginning of the seventh Millenial day since creation, than with a Jubilee. Coincidentally, 1948 is exactly 5950 years from creation, 4003 bc, which is a multiple of 70 from creation.
      I Am just beginning to understand the importance of these Markers. I still believe that when Jesus comes, every year will be a Jubilee, but what better way to mark the beginning of the seventh millenial day than with a Jubilee in Israel.!! Jesus is the bright and morning star, and we are in the darkness before the dawn of that new day, Just as God’s kingdom did not begin until the ministry of John the Baptist, some 29-30 years after Jesus birth, So too, is there a delay in the return of Jesus.
      God bless.

    • all those bugs sound bad.

  26. 4 et al,
    A note on the prophecy of St. Malachy; he predicted that the current pope would be the last before the final “Peter the Roman” who will reign during the tribulation. He also indicates that at the end of the tribulation the church (Roman Catholic Church) will be destroyed. For those people who believe the whore (apostate church) of Babylon is the Catholic church and the beast is the Vatican, this prophecy is a perfect fit. The next pope will be the false prophet and the first seal of Revelation.

    Also don’t confuse resurrection with reincarnation. Two different principles.

    Oh, and let me say this to everyone out there who believes in this Nibiru nonsense: GET A BRAIN!!!
    Sorry but there is NO Nibiru. The whole idea comes from myths and writings from ancient Egypt and later the Druids. The concept is NOT biblical. Are you guys raised by pagans or what? Its bad enough most churches are filthy with pagan practices, but to go to other religions for prophecy is heresy! Score another victory for Satan :(.
    And what’s with the 12/21/2012 date? Do you subscribe to Mayan paganism too? Stick with the bible folks. The writings of man and his traditions (including the catechism) carry no weight. They only lead to lies and false prophecy.
    We get a lot of that around here lately.
    Satan is hard at work.

    • Up awefully early James? aren’t you on the west coast?That would make it around 3:30 am?

      • Hey Dru,
        I’m a day-sleeper. I go to bed around 10AM and get up around 6PM. Been doing it for 30 years now. I enjoy working in the cool of the evening and I hibernate during the heat of the day.
        No I wasn’t raised by raccoons!

  27. James,
    what was that that you were saying about a OWR? Can you see it now?? LOL

    • Can’t see something that’s not there.

      • Well. we do have orthodox, catholic, Mayan, egyptian, sumerian religions as “all the same”, why not just throw in Islam, Hinduism, and Bhuddism, and we will all live happily ever after!! Heck, throw in a supernatural entity and a few “secret books” and Wala! = OWR
        At least we agree on one thing, There are alot of “naive” people out there.

  28. 4
    I come from a large Italian family of devout Catholics all my friends as a kid were catholic, so how could I possibly say such things about the church?
    Well, the truth is, I did not say anything that was not in the bible. I did not write the bible, I only came to understand it. It wasn’t easy to give up all I and been taught as a child, but I had no choice. The bible and history revealed the truth.
    I once thought the heavens were mystical and that I could actually wish upon a falling star. Then I studied astronomy (and almost became an astronomer) and learned differently.
    Then I thought that TV’s worked on principles bordering on the verge of magic. Then I became an electronic engineer and I now understand exactly how they work.
    And I once believed that the pope was infallible and was truly the “Substitute for the Son of God”. Then I read the bible and the history of popes and the Christian church, and, well, you know.
    Did you suggest that the current pope, 111, is the last pope, and that Jesus will become the next pope when he dies? If so, will He rule from Jerusalem or from Rome? And will He wear the pagan fish-hat from ancient Babylon? And will He serve mass every Sunday, or will He obey His own fourth commandment and return the sabbath to the 7th day? Just curious.
    As for Nibiru, your admitted sources are an “astrologer whos not part of NASA” and “videos from Youtube.”
    Well, I just watched an episode of the History channel which was all about doomsday scenarios, including Nibiru “The Destroyer” including interviews with authors of books on the subject, but they were followed by a NASA spokesman who assured the viewers that there is zero possibility of any large objects in or near our solar system because their gravitational influence on other planets would have been discovered a long time ago, with no need to see Nibiru in person. I learned these principle when I was 8 years old. Why haven’t you learned them yet? Did you get your college degree on YouTube? Is that where you turn for the truth? You can buy a used astronomy textbook for under a buck on Amazon. You should try reading the bible too.
    The good news is that in just 7 months this argument will be over. And just like all the idiots who were preaching that the approach of the comet Elenin would mean doom for the earth, the 2012 doom sayers will all go home with their tails between their legs and we’ll never hear from them again.
    I hope you will stick around till then. Maybe when the prophecy of your apostate church fails you might decide to open your heart and mind to a new reality. As you said, we both only want to save one another. Otherwise we would just sit back without trying to warn anybody.
    Until then I will continue to enjoy our lively discussions.

    • some of the videos actually have pictures of nibiru on it.

      located between Uranus and Neptune. 89 Leonis, 89 Leo

      it has been filmed coming up from the south at the antarctic station.

      it is still far away, but visible

      I stopped trusting what the government said, years ago.

      • First of all, any idiot can take a NASA photo and claim a speck of light on it is anything they want.
        If someone showed you a DNA photo and claimed it was the abomnible snowman, would you just go ahead and believe him?

        And if you can’t trust all the NASA scientists, then I guess all scientists are corrupt, wouldn’t you agree?

        Here is a fact, an object at the distance you quoted, would take about 120 years to reach the sun. A few months less to reach the orbit of the earth. So even if you are right, it won’t be here in our lifetimes.
        Unless the Mayan gods have power over God’s laws of physics or can perform magic.
        Is that what you are expecting?

        Do you really believe the ancient Egyptians and the Druids had the power of prophecy? Do you think God will send a planet to do His dirty work? That way the tribulation won’t be blamed on Him. How did the bible miss this great event while the Druids didn’t? Why, if it is true, after all these years of constant warnings from YouTube, hasn’t a single news organization warned the public about the impending disaster? Nothing! Only YouTube and various web sites trying to sell the gullible public on disaster and survival supplies. These are con artists, plain and simple. Rainmakers in lab coats to look knowledgeable. They come out of the woodwork every once in a while, like when the earth passed thru the tail of Halley’s comet in 1910. Tin foil hats anyone?
        The Mayan calendar is another hoax, but I don’t see any world panic going on, do you? Nibiru is completely false. It was never here in the past and won’t be here in the future – ever! And that link to the “Nibiru Timeline” was so ridiculous I had to laugh. The author was big on his paint program but short on his understanding of physics. And just where do you suppose he got his data? He probably doesn’t even own a decent pair of binoculars, let alone a scope large enough to view the outer planets, which can only be seen through time-lapse photography. And it would require thousands of photographic observations and a glass plate interferometer in order to determine the orbit of a planet past Pluto, even if it could be seen on a photo, which is doubtful. Even Uranus, Neptune and Pluto were only discovered because of gravitational perturbations they caused on the orbits of the inner planets, and it took over 100 years to find them that way.
        And so this YouTube dude manages to do all this by himself in record time? He would need observational data from dozens if not hundreds of major observatories and a degree in math and astrophysics to pull it off. Give me a break.
        And don’t give me the “government is lying to us“ line. Such an event would be visible world-wide, so every government on earth would have to be behind such a conspiracy. And the government runs the antarctic station, so if they were hiding it, they wouldn’t let anyone from the outside to use their equipment.
        Sorry, but everything about Nibiru smacks of fraud, scam and hoax.

        Just because the movie “Miracle on 34th Street” proved that Santa Claus is real, doesn’t mean we all have to believe it.

        Oh well, kids – I guess ignorance is bliss.
        Get your tin foil hats ready!

        (Just keeping things lively here folks!)

      • First of all, any idiot can take a NASA photo and claim a speck of light on it is anything they want.
        If someone showed you a DNA photo and claimed it was the abomnible snowman, would you just go ahead and believe him?

        And if you can’t trust all the NASA scientists, then I guess all scientists are corrupt, wouldn’t you agree?

        Here is a fact, an object at the distance you quoted, would take about 120 years to reach the sun. A few months less to reach the orbit of the earth. So even if you are right, it won’t be here in our lifetimes.
        Unless the Mayan gods have power over God’s laws of physics or can perform magic.
        Is that what you are expecting?

        Do you really believe the ancient Egyptians and the Druids had the power of prophecy? Do you think God will send a planet to do His dirty work? That way the tribulation won’t be blamed on Him. How did the bible miss this great event while the Druids didn’t? Why, if it is true, after all these years of constant warnings from YouTube, hasn’t a single news organization warned the public about the impending disaster? Nothing! Only YouTube and various web sites trying to sell the gullible public on disaster and survival supplies. These are con artists, plain and simple. Rainmakers in lab coats to look knowledgeable. They come out of the woodwork every once in a while, like when the earth passed thru the tail of Halley’s comet in 1910. Tin foil hats anyone?
        The Mayan calendar is another hoax, but I don’t see any world panic going on, do you? Nibiru is completely false. It was never here in the past and won’t be here in the future – ever! And that link to the “Nibiru Timeline” was so ridiculous I had to laugh. The author was big on his paint program but short on his understanding of physics. And just where do you suppose he got his data? He probably doesn’t even own a decent pair of binoculars, let alone a scope large enough to view the outer planets, which can only be seen through time-lapse photography. And it would require thousands of photographic observations and a glass plate interferometer in order to determine the orbit of a planet past Pluto, even if it could be seen on a photo, which is doubtful. Even Uranus, Neptune and Pluto were only discovered because of gravitational perturbations they caused on the orbits of the inner planets, and it took over 100 years to find them that way.
        And so this YouTube dude manages to do all this by himself in record time? He would need observational data from dozens if not hundreds of major observatories and a degree in math and astrophysics to pull it off. Give me a break.
        And don’t give me the “government is lying to us“ line. Such an event would be visible world-wide, so every government on earth would have to be behind such a conspiracy. And the government runs the antarctic station, so if they were hiding it, they wouldn’t let anyone from the outside to use their equipment.
        Sorry, but everything about Nibiru smacks of fraud, scam and hoax.

        Just because the movie “Miracle on 34th Street” proved that Santa Claus is real, doesn’t mean we all have to believe it.

        Oh well, kids – I guess ignorance is bliss.
        Get your tin foil hats ready!

      • yes…Government…I am amazed what the Government really is…God help them.

    • James..appreciated what you said here. I came out of the Catholic church and Catholic background and like you I learned the truth of the scriptures and history. None of it jives with the tenants of the Catholic faith as far as praying to idols, people, making idols and replacing Christ on earth with the Pope who wears a miter originally from an ancient worshjip of the fish god dagon. There is so much more of idolatry in the Catholic churches’ teachings but it is an apostate faith that has fallen into idolatry. I have known many people and friends who are still in the catholic church and I view them as
      Christians that need to come out of it if they truly love the Lord and believe in His Word as infallible. But that is between them and our Heavanly Father. For me I chose to follow the Lord, the way, the truth and the light, the life, with all my heart and soul and cannot do that and partake of Catholicism.

    • The bible and history revealed the truth.

  29. well, at least this is a colorful discussion. 🙂

  30. Well, there you go – NASA scientists take the pictures, then instead of hiding them, they post them so anyone who sees them can claim they are Nibiru. For a government cover-up, this is highly illogical. It would be like leaving a captured UFO in Times Square and then denying its existence.
    Maybe NASA should conduct all of its business on YouTube. Maybe then people would believe them.

  31. 4
    Wow! I just can’t let this one go…
    So you are using Mayan prophecy to predict the return of Christ? And right now He is sitting back on the planet Nibiru until is passes near the earth in 7 months, then He will take a shuttle over to Rome?
    I thought that His feet were supposed to touch the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem. So what, is He going to set down in Rome on a jar of olives?
    Sorry, but your prophecy is whack. And it ain’t gonna happen, thank God, literally.
    Hey, do you think that during communion, Jesus will prick his fingers and let the people drink His actual blood? And take a little nibble of His flesh? Now that would be cool!
    And who is this Dimitru Dudman and why does he want to kill me? What did the US do to piss God off anyway? We have more practicing Christians than almost any other country. Why not annihilate the Chinese or the Sudanese? After all, didn’t we save the world from German/Italian/Japanese domination? Didn’t we free the Jews from the concentration camps? Didn’t we invent the iPad?
    Hell, I’m not worried, after all, your whole theory depends on planet Nibiru, and I know for a fact that it is a huge load of crap.
    Meanwhile, you keep an eye peeled for it. As soon as you spot it let me know and I’ll run to my nearest Catholic church and pray for forgiveness.

  32. I think it is often ignored that though China created gunpowder it was first used as gunpowder bombs by the Muslims, in war, before it went west per article. I suspect that Irans nasty business hopes the anhialation of all Jews and Israel by use of atom bombs but according to Ezekiel 38 & 39 and Gods’ army of Joel this Mohammedan horde in our day will be destroyed up to a sixth of the people by the same as Joel describes nuclear devastation and probably at their own hands once and for all judged by the Lord for their hatred of mankind and God and His people. We are looking at the wrath of God described that finally judges the beast, false prophet and its’ whore that defends the dragon (satans) hordes in our day. This is no small thing to have disclosed so totally in our day so much that has been hidden and is no longer for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches. It is time to actually listen and study to know what is already taking place.:

    We shall revisit some Arabic sources that were known and repeatedly discussed since the middle of the nineteenth century, and shall add few more manuscripts and sources that were not discussed before[1]. We shall analyse gunpowder composition for rockets and cannon as they are given in these manuscripts, and shall discuss briefly the development of cannon in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries in the Mamluk Kingdom and in Muslim Spain. We conclude with a brief note about fireworks.

    Potassium nitrate

    In a recent paper[2] it was shown that Arabic alchemists knew potassium nitrate since the start of Arabic alchemy at the time of Khalid ibn Yazid (d. c. 709). It was known under various names, was used as a flux in metallurgical operations and for producing nitric acid and aqua regia. Recipes for these uses are found in the works of Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber, d. 815), Abu Bakr al-Razi(Rhazes, d.932) and other alchemists.

    Throughout the centuries potassium nitrates in Arabic was known by a variety of names, and the most important of these was natrun. It was called also: buraq; al-shiha that is found at the feet of walls; milh al-ha’it (wall salt); flowers of asyus stone; salt of asyus stone; salt of stone; shura; shuraj; suraj; milh al-dabbaghin (tanners salt); shabb Yamani and lastly barud.

    Purification of potassium nitrates

    Before potassium nitrate can be used effectively in gunpowder it should be purified. Two processes are found in Arabic literature:

    1- The process of Ibn Bakhtawayh (early 11th Century)

    Ibn Bakhtawayh, the physician, in his book Al-Muqaddimat (composed in 420/1029), described the freezing of water at any season by using potassium nitrate calling it shabb Yamani (Yamani alum). (See the article on potassium nitrates in this Web site).

    2- The process of Hasan al-Rammah (13th Century)

    Hasan al-Rammah describes in his book al-furusiyya wa al-manasib al-harbiyya (The Book of Military Horsemanship and Ingenious War Devices) [3] a complete process for the purification of potassium nitrate. This same process became a standard one in Arabic sources and we find it in various military treatises.

  33. It is interesting that what never appears in public news, at least in Canada or the US is that Israel faces threats of anhialation by holocaust denier and anti-semite Ahmadinajab and Irans’ Ayatollah Khameni daily and recently these are the headlines. Worth the read to see the beginning of Joel 2 and Ezekiel 38 & 39 beginning to occur …early stages? Not for Israel. These two articles April 2012 edition is worth the read. Time filler for sure!

    Click to access newspaper_apr_2012.pdf

    IDF Intel Chief: 200,000 Missiles Aimed at Israel
    by David Levi

    Khameini: Genocide a Moral Obligation
    Source: Iran’s Genocidal Threat

    Baptist Church in Bethlehem Declared
    Illegitimate By Palestinian Authority
    by Dexter Van Zile/The Alegemeiner

    The articles in this quarterly magazine is a must read for present day to see Joel and Ezekiel occurrences that the Left wing media and mouthpiece whore for Islam do and will keep secret unless we are vigilant in our prayer for Israel and the innocent of the earth for the Lord is returning very soon and not the way the majority of Christians scrutinize! Much more has and is occurring Biblically and Scripturally beyond what most Christians conceive though there has been and is a larger group of vigilant Watchman than I thought 20 years ago when I first started working with Christians and Jews for Israel groups.

    For interest the updating to and concise capsulating of all that is done just these last few years is mind blowing for those not in the know.

    Provoking God’s Judgement – by William Keoenig
    For all the sins of Baasha, and
    the sins of Elah his son, by which
    they sinned, and by which they
    made Israel to sin, in provoking
    the LORD God of Israel to anger
    with their vanities. – 1 Kings
    16:13, KJV

    The world is continuing its
    rapid acceleration toward the
    Apocalypse due to lawlessness
    and debauchery and what is taking
    place in Israel and the Middle
    In the United States, we have
    a political party responsible for
    putting people in homes that they
    couldn’t afford for votes, which
    collapsed the U.S. housing market
    and wiped out $7 trillion in home
    equity and sent shock waves
    through the economy.
    The same political party
    approved abortion — which led
    to the slaughter of 55 million
    children in their mothers’ wombs.
    President Barack Obama,
    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
    and their political party fully
    endorsed and implemented
    the “lesbian, gay, bisexual,
    transgender” LGBT agenda. (Woe
    unto them that call evil good, and
    good evil; that put darkness for
    light, and light for darkness; that
    put bitter for sweet, and sweet for
    bitter! – Isaiah 5:20)……..

  34. For Americans who do not know or realize this article in the above magazine is sad and frightening at least to a neighbor that loves and respect the American people as a defender of many. A frightening speech of Obama discloses his heart easily. Oh I hope America opens its eyes in time. This is a sad part in Joel and Ezekiels’ passages if Americans don’t wake up for Obama is no lover of America, or Christian for one merely needs to read in the Quran Hadiths and Surahs to know the real 1400 year history of slaughtering, raping killing and enslaving of the beast and dragon Islam: What will America do and oh the choices? What lies Obama tells for Islam has not always been part of America though they make that claim of every country where they lay claim to and it appears Obama made this claim for Islam even in his declaration of the Shahada morning prayer he said in pure ancient Arabic that was the most beautiful sound he had ever heard :

    The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

    “Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
    Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
    I witness that there is no god but Allah
    I witness that there is no god but Allah
    I witness that Muhammad is his prophet… ”

    According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim’s complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.

    Obama knows this from his Quranic studies — and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the Islamic world.

    Regardless of Obama’s religion, what message is he sending the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims?

    Islam’s apologist in chief,
    Barack Obama, said this in his
    “New Beginning speech from
    Cairo, Egypt, on June 4, 2009:

    “But I am convinced that in
    order to move forward, we must
    say openly to each other the things
    we hold in our hearts and that too
    often are said only behind closed
    doors. There must be a sustained
    effort to listen to each other; to
    learn from each other; to respect
    one another; and to seek common
    ground. As the Holy Koran tells
    us, ‘Be conscious of God and
    speak always the truth.’
    “As a student of history, I
    also know civilization’s debt to
    Islam. It was Islam — at places
    like Al-Azhar — that carried
    the light of learning through so
    many centuries, paving the way
    for Europe’s Renaissance and
    “I also know that Islam has
    always been a part of America’s
    story. The first nation to recognize
    my country was Morocco. In
    signing the Treaty of Tripoli in
    1796, our second President, John
    Adams, wrote, ‘The United States
    has in itself no character of enmity
    against the laws, religion or
    tranquility of Muslims.’
    “And since our founding,
    American Muslims have enriched
    the United States. They have
    fought in our wars, they have
    served in our government, they
    have stood for civil rights, they
    have started businesses, they have
    taught at our universities, they’ve
    excelled in our sports arenas,
    they’ve won Nobel Prizes, built
    our tallest building, and lit the
    Olympic Torch.
    “And when the first Muslim
    American was recently elected
    to Congress, he took the oath to
    defend our Constitution using
    the same Holy Koran that one of
    our Founding Fathers – Thomas
    Jefferson –Islam’s apologist in chief,
    Barack Obama, said this in his
    “New Beginning speech from
    Cairo, Egypt, on June 4, 2009:

    • the O is really full of BS, isn’t he?

      • Have you ever heard so many lies in one mouthful? Americas’ history does not have muslims fighting in all her wars etc. This is an absurd lie. America has a proud history of change and development but the muslims have not come into it here in North America until the past century alone and it is the last 80 years or so. Crazy Muslims like to think and talk like they have always been here in Canada but that is plain Bosh, lies revisionist history wherever Islam goes and this should be paid heed to because this speech of Obama is total revisionism!

    • I listened to this speech he gave…He is not American in his heart nor is he the Christian he pretends to be. He plays a big part in bringing about the removal of Gods protection of America…but I believe it is just part of the final picture…Jesus Christ return! I am ready!!

  35. The leader of Germany Angela Merkel said not long ago the politically correct multi-culturalism does not work. It is not a new idea because Daniel said before the feet of the statue was struck on the feet (which is begun in our day in 1948) that the iron and the clay does not mix. All the nations from Assyria Babylonia Rome Islam are all the ones in Islam today and the EU and UN that wishes to destroy Israel and have slowly worked to dismantle the land piece by piece will be destroyed. Multiculturism does not work meaning Islam cannot and will never mix with other peoples, nations or tongues. They consume and their destruction as Daniel, Joel and Ezekiel is imminently close. Israel became a nation in 1948 and Jerusalem united in 1967 laying the way for the great attack by Islam in Ezekiel in which they will be destroyed.

    Daniel 2

    39And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

    40And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

    41And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

    42And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

    43And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

    44And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

    45Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

    Islam DOES NOT and WILL NOT mix with other people. And every nation but Rosh, Russia probably mentioned by Ezekiiel 38 and 39 are Islamic today and were the first ones to begin to scatter Israel long ago. We have come full circle or to the feet of clay and iron and Joel is an excellent description of what is done also in Ezekiel. Even Russia supplying the armies every need is not less guilty of its hatred of Jews. Whoever takes part in this will be destroyed in this statue and by Joels’ army consuming everything it destroys itself. The army is very great and wherever Islam goes the countries become walled cities and homes and there is nothing but dust and destruction and just as grasshoppers the males clinging to the females to death…Islam shall be destroyed in its consuming appetite. That day is very near.

    The Lords’ day of hope and peace for the earth is also very near.

  36. TO ALL.

    As many of you know, it was just over a week ago that I said, “That I felt that I was being lead to leave this site”.
    At that time, I had know idea as to how prophetic that statement would be.

    Whether you choose to believe this or not, this is the most important post that I ever have, or ever will make.

    A few days after I left, I started to receive visions, and the Spirit rested on me with great intensity of purpose. In the course of my studies, (which I still continued after leaving), I with the guidance of the Spirit, was able to decipher the meanings of many past prophecies.

    At the time I considered that to be a blessing, in which having received them freely, I would in turn, express and distribute the knowledge freely as Public Domain. (Though that was not the intended purpose of these visions at all.)

    The intended purpose was so that I would trust in what was being revealed, and accept what was being told to me as God’s “truth”.
    Yesterday I received the last of a sequence of visions, (and was finally able to get some sleep last night after almost a week, and hopefully I will be able to eat again today). I do not believe that I was the only one to receive these visions, but believe that there were many others as well, that will come forward very soon!

    But in being faithful to God the Father, Yeshua our Savior and the Spirit, I am compelled to tell all who will listen the truth.

    The last of these visions consisted of seeing a verse of scripture.
    It was Revelation 1:3 which I will quote below from the King James, (since that is how it appeared).

    Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.

    The last 5 words were larger, (as I have placed them above), and they were “vibrating and shimmering” as I read them, and as I was reading them I heard a LOUD and AUDIBLE VOICE SCREAM them out loud with AUTHORITY. And I it scared me to the depths of my soul.

    During last week, the Spirit had me deciphering scripture, (God using me and my analytical ways), and those words above in utilizing the fullness of their definitions, should have been rendered as, “FOR THE TIME WHEN THINGS ARE BROUGHT TO CRISIS, AND THE DECISIVE EPOCH THAT THOSE THAT ARE CLOSE TO GOD HAVE WAITED FOR IS NOW!”

    Whether you choose to believe it or not, there will indeed be a “gathering or rapture” first, but many will be left behind.

    Who will be taken will be the “Ekklēsia”, those that are truly right in their heart with the Lord, and those that place Him first in their lives.
    As opposed to the “Hagios” or those of the church of the Laodicean believers! Yeshua instead, (since they are lukewarm in their faith), spits them out!
    The placement of the church of Philadelphia being before that of the Laodicean church is not merely coincidental.
    God does nothing without intended purpose.

    To those that understand through the Spirit and receive this message, we are called to action. God has only sent this message to those that have received it out of His mercy. He is offering a window of opportunity, as He has always done in the past for people to repent of their ways and to get right in their heart with Him. God does not change, and He has done this over and over again throughout the past. For those that receive this message, we are to “witness” as disciples of the Lord, and as Jude 1:23. states, “And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.”

    I was told today by a fellow brother of the faith, while talking to him about what I had seen in these visions, that when looking at me eye to eye, he actually saw my eyes turn to flame, and that it sacred him. (it took him 2 days before he could reveal that to me.) And I suspect that the others have experienced the same.

    The time is short. At the very door!
    Take up His Cross and follow Him, and also pray as He asked you to pray in Luke 21:36;
    Watch ye therefore, and pray always, the ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. May the Sprit guide all of your hearts. I suspect to see many of you very soon.

    May you be Blessed.

    I will not return here, I have the Father’s work to do.


    • Alienated,
      Good to hear from you again, We are indeed at the dawn of a new day. The Lord revealed to me that I will be left behind, so I guess I am among the “Hagios”? That I will be handed over to councils, and persecuted, and be given the opportunity to be a witness to the world in the time of trouble. What was not revealed was how my life in this epoch would end. I assume death by sword, but I did not see that. I Hope I am not Lukewarm in my faith, But there are those who overcome in the Laodicean church, and I pray I am amongst them. You have the Spirit of the Lord that IS the church in Philadelphia! Hold fast to what you have. May your ministry be blessed.
      Good to see that you are “moved” by the Spirit, Do not be ashamed to let him speak through you, as he has here. Take the time again to read the letter to the church in Philadelphia, as there are many more morsels of Manna there for you! As well as the letter to the Laodiceans.

      I have been reproved and tested as you know, Through the strength of the Holy Spirit in me, I have overcome my “poverty and nakedness,” God has refined me in the fire, and he has purified me, and cleansed me with his blood and sanctification, and he has given me the salve for my eyes, so that I can see the riches of his kingdom, and not yearn for the riches of this world. And He has given me “white garments” to cover my nakedness.

      May That Spirit in you heed and understand what the Holy Spirit in me is saying, And may the Lord Jesus come soon!! God bless. The time is at hand, I pray he counts me worthy to be with him, having overcome as he has overcame.
      Your comment is a blessing! And I thank and praise God for revealing it to you.

      • Alienated,
        I wanted to add, You are right about the rapture, and I am right about the “late harvest”.
        To all who read this, one or the other of these are the two outcomes of your walk with Christ, depending on which church you belong to. I am in the Laodicean church, as are many of us in the united states. If you closely look at the body of work that Alienated has stood for, They are all characteristics of The Philadelphian church. If you are being tested in your faith, and feel like Job, or David before he became King, you are probably in the Laodicean church. Pattiefarm comes to mind, as she has been through alot, and has overcome. Each believer, belongs to a certain church described in revelation, I do not know if there are other outcomes, and Others should chime in on this. The time is now to unify the seven Spirits of the Lord, To end the bickering that has kept us apart. This was/is what we need to be “working” on.
        Call me a nut, or delusional, but There is a lot riding on “us” getting it right. “Utter destruction” being one. Christ did his “work” on the cross, Now it is our time to “take up our cross and follow him”, By humbling ourselves, as Jesus did, and by Loving our brothers and sisters, as he Loved us, his chosen and elect. James, If you happen to read this, read the letter to the church of Pergamum, And see if the Spirit speaks to you, and your experience in the Catholic church? Tom York, the same, with regard to the church At Ephesus? Marianne, Thyatira? Pieter, If you are out there, Smyrna? And Lyndsey, If you are out there, Sardis?
        I am writing this, taking a risk, and not knowing if any will heed this call? At the expense of my credibility, Which may have been gone a long time ago to some of You. Let the Lord speak through us, and perhaps then, his chosen nation will Have their eyes and ears opened to the Messiah, King of Israel. Satans armies are on the move, it is time for the warning trumpet to sound, and for those who belong To God to come together, and defend Israel, Not just In physical battle, but Spiritual battle, for by my calculations, we have only a few, less than seven years, to fulfill Malachi’s prophecy. (4:6)
        May God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

        • whoaa!

          You put me in the jezebel church?????

          • As an overcomer, Marianne. Your writing on the topic seems to point to it though. I know we have had our disputes, but your grace and forgiveness has been your testimony. Focus on the positive aspects of the letter. Then you will see the blessing therein.

            • I believe that all that strive for the blessed hope will be saved… or are already saved.

              • Marianne,
                Define “blessed hope”, as this is a vague term. are you referring to Jesus second coming? then yes I agree.
                Thyatira: The Liberal church, The deep things of Satan=sciences, humanistic teaching. Jezebel=feminism, and the negative connotation of feminist teaching.inability to submit to God.
                Recieving the bright and morning star, which is Jesus, indicates you will witness his second coming first hand, and you are part of the late harvest. Rule with rod of Iron=Leadership of future nations in millenial kingdom.
                What are the two things I tested you on? Socratic method, submission. Both times you kicked me off, both times you were gracious and forgave. I did not do this “Knowingly”, but rather led by the spirit. Forgiveness is not in character with Jezebel teaching, and divine revelation is not beholden to socratic method. Both divine revelation, and forgiveness come from God, a higher authority. You cannot rule in the millenium, if you do not submit to this higher authority, which you have proved by your forgiveness, and submission. In other words, your credibility, is restored by your testimony. You could have easily held those “grudges” for a long time, which you did not, and I commend you for it. in other word, you do not “hold” these teachings. Put your pride aside which would have you react negatively to what I am saying and receive it positively, and it will be a blessing.

                • dru

                  please do not start on this again. you misjudged me and would not quit on a public page, which was a bad witness, so I ended it.

                  you did not understand what I was taking about, and came to conclusions that were not true.

                  I allow debate, and questioning in a logical way ….just take it at that.

                  The Socratic method (also known as method of elenchus, elenctic method, Socratic irony, or Socratic debate), named after the classical Greek philosopher Socrates, is a form of inquiry and debate between individuals with opposing viewpoints based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to illuminate ideas. It is a dialectical method, often involving an oppositional discussion in which the defense of one point of view is pitted against the defense of another; one participant may lead another to contradict himself in some way, thus strengthening the inquirer’s own point.

                  I already submit to higher authority, and have not held grudges….that is just your perception……I just have to maintain a civil atmosphere on this site, so others do not get the wrong impression. This may include suspending people who do not get the point,….until they do get the point.

        • Dru, (Dave),

          My brother,

          I can’t question what you feel inside, God is way to Immense to comprehend, and those that are left behind will need direction.

          You are in my prayers no matter what He chooses to do with you. Our destinies were created before the foundations of the Universe, whatever purpose God has in mind for you, you have the heart to fulfill! You through our Lord Yeshua will be victorious no matter what happens. I am confident in that.

          Though I hope that you are wrong, (for your sake) based upon Proverbs 1, (and specifically that of verse 33), you will fulfill your predestined role.

          But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil. Proverbs 1:33.

          The text of Revelation has been dead and will now come alive through the Spirit.
          For example, the text in Rev. 3:18., (which is regarding the church of the Laodiceans, reads as follows within the King James;

          I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
          (And verse 19 should have been a part of 18. and it reads), As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

          But when the Spirit had me translate it from the Greek, it became alive and instead read;


          Now the WORD in this book is alive!

          And the Spirit is so intense. I was lead for the first time to lay hands on people today and felt the power of God flow through me into them. I walked up to people that I didn’t know, and they simply trusted me to hold their face in my hands, and have them look into my eyes and pray for them.
          What a glorious blessing our God is!!!
          This is what Yeshua was talking about in John 14:12.

          You are in my prayers Dave, and WE WILL meet at some glorious time. Amen.
          Be Victorious, you will make a wonderful Saint. The Father knows what He is doing!!!!

          To others, (even though I said that I wouldn’t return), the Spirit lead me too so I am being obedient.

          Though Joel 2:28,29. is referring to Rev.12 and Rev.18, (specifically that of verses 1 and 4 of 18.) I believe this is also happening again now with many, as it did at Shavu’ot, (or Pentecost). the first time. (Acts 2:17,18.)

          Daniel 12:9 and Rev.10:4 are why no one has been able to understand the Book of Revelation, but God has made it available to understand through the Spirit now because of Rev: 1:3 and its association to Rev.22:10 through to 21. The “time had to be at hand” for the understanding to being through the Spirit.
          This understanding now explains Rev.10:11. because John is now in essence prophesizing again!

          Be disciples of our Lord. Preach the Word with authority and confidence. Bless others with your and His Love. Be all that you can be for HIM.
          May His strength give you courage, and your love for Him be your strength!

          Shalom and Blessings to you all.

          • Alienated
            I know I am his, and I fear no evil, for through him we are more than conquerors.

          • Alienated
            Re: The random verses you pulled out, and the giving of the Spirit as at pentecost, I am in agreement with you. The end was near for the apostles, But in his grace, he extended the time of grace. We were not meant to understand until the end times, hence the “hedge”, or sealing of certain parts of prophecy. These Divine Revelations are being Unsealed as we speak. We are all the body of Christ, Just because some are part of the nervous system, does not make them more important than the respiratory system. Just as Jesus, is no less important than the Father or the Spirit in the Trinity. One Just has a different role. In that respect, be careful in putting a higher value in your calling over others, The same can be said of james’ comment below in the opposite. Human pride has kept these Spirits apart, It is that pride that must be eliminated if we are to come together. To be One, Perfectly one, As the Father and Jesus are perfectly one (John 17:20ff). When all seven come together, is when our works will become great as spoken of by Jesus in John 14:12.

          • alienated

            I wish you many blessings as you minister to others.

      • Dru,
        Don’t worry about being “left behind” after the so-called rapture. You won’t be alone. Do you really think God would remove His best people from the earth just when they are needed the most? Heck, if you were truly God’s devoted follower, you should volunteer to stay behind and preach His word during the tribulation. We need to stand up for the lord and become savers of souls, not cowards who retreat to heaven when the going gets tough.
        So fear not, we will all be there in the tribulation. Your worthiness will be determined by what you do in the tribulation, not what you do before it.

        • James,
          please read the second comment i made to Alienated above, as it pertains to You as well. My calling is no greater than that of alienated, and vice versa, so long as we are serving the same God.
          God bless

        • we are in the 7 final years now…getting ready to be mid point. God did say “after the tribulation of those days” he will send his angels to gather his elect. I personally beleive we will be here for some of the tribulation of the final 3.5 years…but at some point tribulation will turn to wrath…and his word says we are not appointed to wrath. I pray the Holy Spirit is speaking to those to be open to the shouts of his saved now…Now is the time to be bold. No time to lose…it is time for a turn or burn shouting to the people that are not waking up ….the ones that do not know Jesus Christ and the ones that are in the church of Laodiceans. The problem is our churches are afraid they will hurt someones feelings or lose some tithing money…they are so afraid they won’t even mention TIME IS SHORT.

    • I would agree that the time is now / short

    • I believe you. I too feel like he is at the door and getting ready to open it! I have been shouting it to everyone I can…i have been ridiculed, called Satan himself for the things the Holy Spirit is doing in me, mocked, called crazy, told the end is not near…won’t don’t you get off that soapbox, disowned by family members…no one seems to be listening but I will keep shouting. He is near, and am ready. I pray to be part of the church of Philadelphia. I ask that all that care to pray for my son, David. Pray the Holy Spirit speaks to his heart. The Holy
      Spirit told me that the next thing to look for is the Abomination of Desolation in a dream on March 5, 2012, he said quit looking for the convenant it has happened you are in the final 7 years now……and I believe that the events soon to follow after that will be the opening of the 5th seal ( if it has not already) and then the 6th seal. Time is short.

  37. 4
    The reason your catholic bible does not contain the Book of Revelation is because it proves that the Catholic church is the whore of Babylon and the Holy Roman Empire and the Vatican are the two beasts. The church took 25 years trying to refute these charges and finally gave up and simply banned the book from their bibles, in the same way they deleted the second commandment so that they could keep all the statues and idols they inherited from the Roman empire. This is all part of church history which every good catholic denies of course.
    It is no wonder you go to pagan sources for prophecy and claim they are biblical. The Catholic church has been “sanctifying” dozens of pagan practices and holidays, thinking that a pope can simply say the word and God Himself must obey. The church simply supersedes the bible with new doctrine and now its members all believe the catechism is just as true as the bible.
    The Mormons have the same problem with the Book of Mormon and the Muslims with the Koran.
    You even seem to believe the teachings of this Dudman dude, just because he had a dream. You will believe anything from anybody as long as it fits your idea of prophecy. The fact that it conflicts with the bible doesn’t seem to matter.
    But Catholics are not alone in this regard. For some reason, Marianne believes in the planet Nibiru nonsense as much as you do, even though it is not biblical and comes from pagan sources. Apparently she believes it will herald the return of Christ, perhaps under the general umbrella of “signs in the heavens” but then she also thinks that changes in the cloud belts of Jupiter could be heralding the second coming. Really?
    Personally I think this is just grasping at straws, using bits and scraps of natural events to verify her faith, but it so unnecessary. But I think that taking unverified fantasies and ouright spoofs and hoaxes and trying to use them to prove the word of God is a bad idea. When proven wrong the nonbelievers will jump in and call us Christians false prophets and crazies, like the cult that believed they were going to be beamed up to a space ship hiding behind a passing comet.
    So do I think you are crazy?
    Maybe, time will tell.
    But don’t ibe dismayed, I’m kind of the voice of reason on this blog site. I come from a science and engineering background, and I only believe in magic if it comes right out of the bible, NOT YouTube.

    And what’s that crack that God hates the iPad? If you are right, He hates all technology, including the computer you are using right now. I believe He is cool with any way man can find to spread His holy word. If an iPad can be used to save even one should, God will bless it.
    As a faithful Mac/Apple user, I believe Microsoft is an agent of Satan and Windows users are his demons!

    Just kidding…

  38. Android,
    Boy those comments sure are filled with Love for James??? He should Just shoot himself in the head now, and get it over with, shouldn’t he??? Is that the message that God has sent, or is that from the entity you are speaking with?? Perhaps you should consider listening to God himself, by reading the Word of God.

    • I think I’ll just wait till a few minutes before the solstice – when planet Nibiru is clearly visible in the sky, and then do myself in. Just so as not to give Jesus the satisfaction of killing me Himself.
      So there!

  39. 4
    Speaking of the ten commandments, why did your church remove the second commandment and why does almost every Christian ignore the fourth (or the 3rd to you since you don’t have the second)?
    And speaking of killing, why was it O.K. for so many popes to send out crusades to the holy land to kill millions of Muslims and Jews? And what about the inquisition where over 100 million Christians were killed by their own church as heretics because they refused to change the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday as commanded by the council of Laodicea?
    And what about the WALDENSES (also called Vaudois or Albigenses)? They are an example of what occurred during this period of persecution. They lived in the mountains of Italy and France and eventually spread throughout Europe; they refused to join the Catholic Church or recognize the Pope. They received the Bible as the sole source for faith and practice and had their own translations, which they diligently reproduced in hand-written copies. Rome persecuted the Waldenses throughout the Dark Ages up until the 18th century. In fact, the persecution ended with the deadly wound of the first beast of Revelation – the Holy Roman Empire in 1798.
    There are entire books and web sited dedicated to the churches persecution of its people and their attempt to keep the bible out of the hands of the public, at the risk of imprisonment or even death,
    Forget about not including the Book of Revelation, (it was excluded from the catholic bible until the middle of the last century) the church didn’t want anyone to read it other than their own priests. Thank God for the technology of the printing press or we might all still be in the dark.
    You have to ignore much of history to be Orthodox or Catholic. You also have to ignore a lot of the bible as well. But unlike you who believe that I will burn in hell alongside the Protestants, Muslims and the rest of the world, I believe there is hope for you and all my catholic family. God will not destroy you or deprive you of eternal life when He returns. Only the church and its pagan practices will be destroyed (as Babylon) If you read the Book of Revelation, you will understand what I’m saying. The people, however, all of whom truly love God, will simply be re-taught. After that, you can decide if you want eternal life or eternal death. You will have to endure the 7 last plagues, but that will only last 5 months or so, and then you’re good to go (or not).
    If you keep tuned to this web site we will keep you informed on what is happening, because without the Book of Revelation, you will be lost.

    Unless, of course, the Mayans were right.

    Bless, brother.

  40. Dear Marianne – As I write this in the love of Christ – If you ever, ever get the knowledge of the truth out of this jumbled up “everyman thinks whats right in his own eyes” forum. It will have to be Christ just come in and tear the whole thing down – Till you put some trust in the Lord that there are a few out there that do have the truth of the whole matter. Cause it is a Babylon confused mess. Its only going to make you more confused and everybody that reads it. So You will probably be glad to here me say. I be checking out – When I write you back and it takes me hour or so to give you a scriptural understanding and dont even get a “thank you” or “I dont believe it” – whats the use in trying to convince any of you. You just want to share your opinion and go on to the next subject and you have never ever finished a subject . Its just going in a circle – Just like the church does. So I hope the best for you all. And I do appreciate your time and letting me share some Truth with you. Fare ye well in the Name of Jesus – PS most forums have a few moderator’s that all believe the same thing and will correct the people and give them the truth on the matter. Then they either leave or listen to what is being said. BYE

    • hi Tom

      You are always welcome here. I know there are some personalities that do not have adequate insight, or are just blind. I normally just let them post, but do not respond.

      You are not required to contend with anyone who appears dense or unchanging. I leave this sort of decision up to you and others here, who to talk with , and who not to talk with.

      I will not respond to every comment . that would be too time consuming. I get about 5000 people a day coming here, and about 100 – 150 emails from comments and private contacts. I scan comments to see how they are going, and do not usually say something unless it is a new person, or they are asking me a question directly.

      There are some people who are useless to correct. I focus on those who appear receptive to the truth.

      be blessed

    • Thank you Tom. Though you were here for a short while you made an impact, You Just do not always see the fruit. Understand that the seven Spirits of the Lord are divided amongst the Churches. Human Pride is keeping them apart, But soon, they will come together, I pray.
      God bless you.

  41. 4
    You keep saying that the US is Babylon but offer no scripture. Then you say we can forget about rev11, just remove like the second commandment was removed. You don’t like it, just take it out. The pope can do that of course, he is infallible and has power over the almighty, because why – he won a vote?
    But I guess if your December time frame is correct we will have to toss out most of the Book of Revelation since there is simply not enough time left.

    So all Protestants spend eternity in the same room chatting eh? Anyone else ever heard that one? Where is that in the bible? Probably came from a papal bull. Well it’s bull in any case.
    And where is the math on the EU military alliance coming to 666? I‘d like to see that. You mentioned earlier that the pope is the substitute for Jesus Christ. His title in latin is Vicarius Filii Dei right? Do the math on that title and see what you come up withAlso, I have only given dates for fulfilled prophecy which I got from history books. You, on the other hand, have narrowed down the second coming to the minute – the time of the winter solstice in December of this year – Dec 21st at 11:12 AM, Universal (London) time. That’s 3:12 in the morning my time (California). I’ll be up and on my Mac at that time. I invite you be on line as well. Then we’ll see who was right.

    But I don’t expect you to believe in anything I tell you. Anyone who has the power to change the bible and refer to pagan writings and YouTube videos can’t be reasoned with. Many people who visit this site are absolutely certain how prophecy will unfold, and almost all assume they are in the true church. But some are just learning and may be on the fence, so a healthy discussion can be very useful, so I enjoy our banter.
    Some people get frustrated when it seems they are not getting through to others, but my purpose is simple to plant seeds of though in peoples minds, so that when the time comes, those seeds can grow and the truth will be made plain.
    I’m in no hurry to convert anyone right away, so I’ll be patient.
    God bless us all.

  42. The true Church is NOT a denomination. There are individuals in the true Church found in all demominations. These are people so in love with Jesus/Yeshua that He is everything to them. They delight in worship, want to be in his presence and find joy in being with other true believers.
    I just had to say this after reading comments about Catholics, Protestants etc.
    Also from the sounds of what is coming , firey trials will reveal just who the true church is through individuals.

    • hi barbara

      I would agree that believers are in every church denomination. God would have a plan to have these planted there, so that when times became dark, the believers could minister to others in their church.

  43. Jer51 is about the ancient kingdom of Babylon and predicts their destruction at the hands of the Medes (see verse11). It is fulfilled.
    Rev 18 is about a woman, which represents a church, not a country. That’s just prophecy 101. The purple and scarlet and cups of gold refer to the catholic church – priestly and cardinal colors that are not related to the old red white and blue USA. The cups represent the mass and everything else shows the opulence of the worlds largest and richest church. This worldwide church covers all nations and tongues – it is a global entity. The US is only one country, not global.
    Zechariah 14 refers to the battle of Armageddon and the return of Christ to Jerusalem. But you said He would return first to Rome. Oops! You gave me a freebie there.
    In any case, Armageddon is not going to be the US, no matter how much you might wish for it.

    Oh, I checked on that EU 666 site. Sounded a bit nutty to me and then I noticed the following:
    “From now until the latter part of 2008, many prophecies are going to begin to be fulfilled, especially the Seven Thunders of the Book of Revelation, which the apostle John saw but was restricted from recording. Some of these prophecies concern the demise of the United States over the next year, which will be followed by man’s final world war.
    This article was probably written in 2007 or earlier, and it predicted that by the end of 2008, the US would be destroyed and WW3 would have occurred.
    Obviously, this was a false prophecy, as is Nibiru.
    They also buy into the idea that the 70th week of Daniel is the tribulation time. It is NOT. This is already fulfilled prophecy. It was fulfilled by Jesus Himself. But so many people today believe the Antichrist will do the fulfilling.
    Mistaking the Antichrist for Christ – doesn’t the bible say that many will thing he is Christ? Hmmm… Well, I for one, won’t be surprised when this happens.
    So let me get this straight – you add one Jesus to 12 apostles and get 13, so Christ will return at the end of the 13th Mayan b’ak’tun? Well, who could argue with that? I think you give the Mayans more credit than they deserve. First of all the 25,772 period you refer to is simply the precession of the equinoxes – a slow wobble in the rotation of the earth. So far the earth has completed this wobble over 1.7 million times. And there is no beginning or ending point for the wobble. It is completely arbitrary. The ancient Mayans simply picked a point they liked and ended their long count on that day. And just to be clear, the Mayans did not understand the wobble, they did not know the earth was round and rotated on its axis. And their calendar is in no way based on the 25,772 year period. None of their time frames equal or divide evenly into this figure.
    In other words, it is in no way any sort of unusual astronomical event, despite what many YouTube hucksters try to make you believe.
    Dec 21, 2012 will be virtually the same as it was last Dec 21st. Next year will be about the same. Get over it people!
    And speaking of astronomy, you mentioned something ridiculous that many YouTube Nibiru sites have claimed: That the planet will come near the earth, then simply park itself in a brand new orbit parallel to ours. First of all, there is no mechanism in physics that would allow that to happen, and even if another planet were dragged into close-earth proximity, the gravitational attraction would soon draw the two bodies together and crush them into one single planet. More likely, the gravitational perturbation would cause the earth to alter its own orbit, possibly flinging into the outer reaches of the solar system or spiralling it into the sun (eventually). And then there is the tidal problem. Right now, life on earth depends on the moon and its tides for existence (according to the History channel and most scientists and eco-biologists). If this precise interaction is interrupted by another nearby body, life as we know it might no longer be viable. Anyone who believe that any of this will happen has either not thought it through, doesn’t know how to think, or believes that God will change the laws of the universe just to be able to make this cockamamy prediction to come true.
    So there you go.
    Some more seeds for thought. .. . . . . . . . . <– (seeds)

    Oh, I don’t know what that date is you mentioned. It seems way past the second coming, so I don’t know where you got it from.
    Just saying…

    Bless, everyone.

    • hi james

      isaiah predicted that god would turn the world upside down with shaking in the day of the Lord. How do you think that might happen from a scientific point of view?

      explain the 3 object in this video- please look at the whole thing

      • Hi Marianne,
        While I believe there may be number of “biblical” events that will occur during the tribulation, just so God can prove that He is real, I don’t believe He will change the laws of physics to do it.
        For example, the war of Gog/Magog will be won by God using hail and brimstone. Hell, a few nukes from a sub would be more impressive and seem more like God’s power to a bible reader 100 years ago.
        The only miracle of it will be where did the hail and fire come from?
        So God is not going to turn the earth upside down for real. It is only an expression and simply refers to the big earthquakes during the tribulation. And earthquakes are quite mundane – they happen every day, everywhere. They will just be so big, that some people will imagine that the world is being “turned upside down”. It doesn’t refer to a pole shift, if that’s what you’re thinking.
        Something like that would destroy the earth and all life on it, even if some mystical force could cause such a thing to happen.
        You have to stop taking everything in the bible so literally, and then trying to come up with blogs to explain them through science.
        That, plus taking rather obvious references like the city on 7 hills, and trying to come up with dozens of alternatives to it, taking everyone an a magic carpet ride down all sorts of dead-end roads.
        But if you did that, how would we ever get into so many of these lively discussions?

        • I like magic carpet rides. 🙂

        • James,
          I am with you on Niburu, I Need to see it myself. My question for you regarding the Hail and brimstone, You seem not to believe in any supernatural “intrusions” into the natural order. In other Words you do not believe in Miracles. I happen to believe that though God does for the most part not intrude on the natural order, he does from time to time do miracles, and that the endtimes will be filled with these supernatural acts, both from the devil (falsa signs and wonders) And from God, and the True church, empowered by the Spirit. This will be so much so that All the World will see Jesus coming in the clouds and will know that they are experiencing the wrath of God.

          Does that mean you are a deist? If not you are very close to one.

          • I believe God can perform what will seem to us as miracles without changing the laws of nature. A digital camera would appear supernatural to anyone 100 years ago. If captain Kirk could part the Red Sea with force fields and tractor beams, then so can God.
            If He has to alter the laws of nature to perform a miracle, I hope he won’t have to do it for the entire universe or that might really mess things up, like if He reverses the effects of gravity in order to make us fly. I guess we will all find out soon how He works His magic.

        • lol magic carpet rides

  44. Peace!

    New International Version 1984

    The Day of the Lord

    1“Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. 3Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things,” says the Lord Almighty.

    4“Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.

    5“See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. 6He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse.”


    Of course we have to be prepared for the worst. Jesus said: Heaven and Earth shall dissapear but my words shall remain. St. Peter says in his letter that even this third heaven may be burned with fire and perhaps dissapper; only 8 persons will survive like in Noah’s Flood – in the worst case.

    But what Jesus actually meant when he said: Even if the heaven and earth dissapear God’s words will not dissapear. They will be fullfilled. There is so many prophesies still not fullfilled and Jesus says that they will be fullfilled even if the world dissapers. His words shall be true.

    So in these crop circle pictures there is picture showing two earths side by side. Perhaps in one of them sun rises normally and in other from west to east.

    If Jesus tells the truth that our world shall be destroyed by seven severe plagues and by fire and still bible prophesies shall go on. It means only that there must be precice copy of this planet where the prophesies shall go on and this old world shall turn into lake of fire; that is to hell.


  45. But what about if dr. Martin Luther, Councelor was the promised Elijah. You know well that Elijah did annoint three kingdoms to destroy Israel because of their sins. If Martin Luther did hate jews in the spirt of Elijah.
    After all over 6 million jews did die but how many Germans did die, Galatians, Israel of God. I do believe that over 10 million germans died in WW1 and WW2.

    When it comes to Vaticani I have not heard much from them first. Only you ought not to use condoms at all. But it surely true that Vaticani sister was first to lead me to church. And their good example makes you to choose Jesus Christ and so on. First contact comes via Vaticani but no much of teaching for the word of God comes from JERUSALEM. I visited Jerusalem 1996 and after that I started to recive teachings.

    • Tapio K.
      My Father fought in WWII Along side Jews in the Finnish army.

      Luther was an anti-semite because he was unable to get past the hardened heart of the Israelites. This, In itself should be proof that he was not Elijah. Elijah will come and turn the hearts of the Father (Israel) to their children (Christians) and the heart of the children towards the Fathers.

      Luther, possesed one of the seven Spirits of the Lord, but not all seven as Elijah did. It is not until all seven of these spirits which are divided amongst the Seven churches as spoken of in revelation, come together and become one, that we will see Elijah. If you are looking for a single person, you are mistaken. The Unified overcomers of the seven churches will be Elijah! When they become perfectly one, as Jesus prayed in his high priestly prayer found in John 17.

      Elijah did not hate the Jews, he wanted them to repent, and turn from pagan religions and Idolotry. Luther also wanted this, but his frustration led to hatred. It is the Spirit of the lord that will Open the eyes and ears of Israel. It is the church that must come together to be a testimony for them, that they cannot deny that Jesus was the Messiah and King of Israel. They want to see that “God is with us” which =”Immanuel”. It is the Spirit of the Lord Joined in the church as one that will prove this. It is the ones from the Seven churches of revelation that have overcome the obstacles that spoken of therein that will Join together, Not the Nicolaitan and Jezebel shepherds in the churches, compromising on sound doctrine to Join forces with the “Vicar”. There is a unification occurring of the False church (Apostate), and there will also Occur a unification in the true church. Those who have surrendered all to Christ, and have been sanctified by the Holy Spirit, And not fallen prey to the paganism of The apostate church.

      That being said, The State church in Finland, is largely Apostate, having compromised to the Popes and the Catholic Paganism. It is no longer “sola Scriptura”, but it is beholden to both the state and the Pope. This does not mean that there are no True Christians there, and in the church. But soon there will not be as they will be kicked out, persecuted, or led to slaughter.

      If we fail, there is the promise of utter destruction!! I Know this is not a happy message, but the burden is on us, to take up our cross and follow him.

      God bless

  46. At Least we we agree on one thing, Luther is not Elijah.

  47. Don’t get too enthusiastic, It may be the only thing?

  48. So you learned how to use the translator on your Android I see! Spelling is a little off though. You asked: “greetings! what hole?” which might be appropriate on a golf course, But not here.

    • And speaking of spell checking, here are a few free “e’s” for when you type the city of “Rome”:
      e, e, e, e, e, e, e, e, e, e, e, e, e, e, e, E.
      There, that should last you a while.
      Thanks – I keep seeing “Read-Only-Memory” in my head when I read your posts. (Remember – I’m an engineer/programmer)

      • e e e e e e ??????

        does that mean something in programming?

        • Those were for typesetting – to add to the word Rom to get Rome.
          Or didn’t you notice that? I do desktop publishing so I notice all these things, but usually don’t comment.

  49. James, as someone who asks others not to talk SH** about your Pope and church of whom I personally respect, you sure have a nasty way of denigrating protestants, many who love the Lord dearly. All churches have those who are truely His and those who practice a form of religion.
    Jesus/Yeshua said we would worship Him in spirit and truth.
    The Holy Spirit is so much more than the denominational box you try to put him in.

  50. James,my apology, it was someone else who said the protestants will not be ressurected.

  51. Sorry 4 but I don’t have any exact dates that I have ever calculated since the bible is not detailed enough to calculate future dates. We can be certain that He will return on the Feast of Trumpets as this festival was created by God for the express purpose of being fulfilled by Jesus on His second coming. If you knew the year you could backtrack 6 months and 3 years to find the beginning of the tribulation period. But I’m not sure if there will be any particular event that will open the tribulation, except perhaps the appearance of the 2 witnesses. But I think the seals of Revelation will begin opening at any time and perhaps the war of Gog/Magog. So there may not be an actual beginning to the tribulation. It will not however, be a strict 7-year period as many believe, beginning with a peace pact and the rapture, as many believe.
    Beyond this, there isn’t much else I can figure.

  52. Hello again 4,
    First, I don’t know what video you are referring to. I can’t find a link to one except to the site with the multiple paintshop graphics showing the supposed orbit of Nibiru. But that was totally bogus and filled with pseudo-science that simply won’t hold water. Let me know what else you’ve got and I’ll be glad to debunk it for everyone.
    You continue to blame the uS for all the evil in the world, but I still say if any countries will be destroyed it will be Germany, Italy and Japan for creating WW2 which killed more people than anything else in history. They would have killed way more if the US had not stopped them, so there!
    God doesn’t destroy countries, but He does destroy His own people when they sin against Him. So if you pray to statues or keep Sunday as the lord’s day, you will be punished. If you celebrate Christmas or Easter you will be punished. I could go on, but I’ve said enough to worry most of the people who need to be worried, Orthodox and Protestants alike.
    So let me aks you sumptin. Do you really think the tribulation has begun and that all the prophecies including the 7 seals will be completed by Dec 21st? If so, God had better git crackin’ if He wants to get it all done in time.

    Just sayin’


  53. Hey Barb, don’t his started, you’ll be here for weeks.
    I only give the Vatican fecal matter because they are the Babylon of Revelation. They are the whore, and protestant churches are the harlot daughters. That said, I have great respect for all Christians, especially those who are trapped by Satan in apostate churches. The mark of the beast will make all of this clear during the tribulation, but for now any warnings will go unheeded, by android or anyone else except perhaps a lucky few.
    So all we can do here is plant some seed which may manage to flower when the time is right. People often get mad at me, and that is how I like it. It means they are less likely to forget me and what I’ve said when the time comes that my words will be needed.
    In much the same way, I have watched all the “Left Behind” movies just in case a world dictator rises to power, takes over the banking system and wants to force me to have a chip implanted in order to buy and sell stuff, I’ll be prepared.
    Otherwise, I’ve got my story and I’m sticking with it.
    The rest, time will tell.

  54. I can see it.

    the sun, another smaller round lighted object, along with a very small lighted object, are passing by at different times

  55. Well, I had to look up that word. I know my dad used to say that word when he hit his finger with a hammer, with a strong emphasis on the “p”. Therefore it is kind of a curse word. Perkele is also the “God of thunder” of Finnish mythology, kind of like Thor, which I never knew until just looking it up. That being the case, your last statement is false, My faith is in Yeshua.

    As the Old hymn puts it “My faith is built on nothing less, than Christ his blood and righteousness.” I know you love those lutheran hymns so much.

  56. There is no doubt in my mind that Islam holds and is moved by “the spirit of anti-Christ”.

    “For many imposters (seducers, deceivers, and false leaders) have gone out into the world, men who will not acknowledge (confess, admit) the coming of Jesus Christ (the Messiah) in bodily form. Such a one is the imposter (the seducer, the deceiver, the false leader, the antagonist of Christ) and the antichrist” (2 John 1:7, AMP).

    Let’s read Joel 2:2-3 with an understanding of the 4th Seal and see if there is something to think over.

    “A day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and of thick mists and darkness, like the morning dawn spread upon the mountains; so there comes a [heathen, hostile] people numerous and mighty, the like of which has never been before and shall not be again even to the years of many generations. A fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns; the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yes, and none has escaped [the ravages of the devouring hordes]. Their appearance is like the appearance of horses, and like war horses and horsemen, so do they run” (AMP).

    Now the 4th Seal.

    “When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, ‘Come and see.’ So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth” (Revelation 6:2-8, NKJV).

    Interpretations of Rev 6 follows:
     Pale: [Original Word χλωρός, ά, όν.] Part of Speech: Adjective. Transliteration: chlóros. Definition: green, pale green (Strong’s G5515)
     Authority – power, mastery, superhuman (Strong’s G1849)
     Death, and Hades (demonic spirits) follow after the 4th horse
     Hunger, with death, famine /shortages
     Islamic nations and the religious “anti-Christ” culture cover approximately ¼ of the earth – from Indonesia to Pakistan through Northern Africa. A religious culture that extends into England and across the US.

    This “pale” horse and his rider with hunger and death pared with the green “paradise” of Islamic culture/religion presents the perfect dichotomy. You see, the color green within Islamic nation state flags represents “paradise” but the forth seal does not “paradise”.

    “Eden before them” writes Joel and “behind them a flame burns.”

    The rider of the “pale horse” brings great destruction and the rider, is revealed to be The Anti-Christ soon thereafter.

    We are getting closer by the day. So, I ‘m preparing to “overcome” with the Blood of the Lamb and the words of my testimony along with some seriously Mighty armor!

    “Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand” (Ephesians 6:10-13, NKJV).

    • Amen DJ,
      Add to that the fact that the Mahdi of Islam is the “dragon” of Revelation12, and the whole line of events starts to take shape, in the religion which satan built, and the religion that built the building on the Holy mountain in Jerusalem, which is an abomination to Yahweh, in which the Antichrist will declare himself as God.
      So my only disagreement with you, the rider on the green horse is not the Ac, but is the Dragon which gives his authority to the Ac. Consider it in the Spirit, and you will see this. Look at some of marianne’s pages on Muslim prophecy, and some of the comments by muslims, and you will see that they believe that the Mahdi, and “Jesus” will work together to fight the djall. But this “Jesus” is not the real Jesus, but the Ac. Who is it???? Some think a pope, others think prince Charles, others think Obama, who will receive U.N. secretary General position after presidency, whether that is 2013, or 2017, Or none of the above? I do not think we will know that fully until he commits the abomination of desolation.
      God bless.

  57. Dru Dude!

    Excellent insights. Thank you. Obama as UN Sec Gen – very interesting…and we get a Morman (another form of false prophet) to run the show!

    God Bless you!

    In my opinion (to long to write out here – but see “How Do the Sheep Prepare” within Heaven Awaits for an executive summary and The Four Seals too), the second seal is open fully (“April Spring” began December 2010), the third is opening (financial/economic crisis developing rapidly) and the 4th will open 2013.

    So, when did the first seal open?

    I’m busy with co-leading a bible study on “Spirtual Warfare” talking about binding/loosing, the Authority that the Lord gives us, etc. A band of spiritual warriors is developing rapidly – Thank you Lord!

    More later.

  58. Someone asked me to post this without their name:

    Look at the current state of the Church.
    What if we are in the “falling away” of 2 Thessalonians 2:3., as we speak right now?

    God gave Israel 7 specific Feasts.
    People understand that the first 4 have been fulfilled by Jesus Christ, leaving 3 Feasts left.
    But what if Pentecost had one more role to play? (3)
    There is God, Son and Spirit, the Holy Trinity. (3)

    What if God fulfilled the first time with Moses. (1)
    The Spirit fulfilled it the second time, (2) and Jesus will fulfill it this time? (3). With 2 Thess. 2:1?

    The Feast of Trumpets could be for the Overcoming Saints and the 144,000 before God’s wrath? Which God’s Wrath, would be the Day of Atonement.
    Then Jesus returns with His angels and saints at His second coming, to set up His kingdom on Feast of Tabernacles.
    That’s a possibility that many haven’t considered.

    • Marianne,
      I do not know if you went over to Rolly’s sight, the one from indonesia, But he has a very similar post to this, which is in line with what we have in your annonymous comment. Rolly breaks it down into three distinct 2000 year ages, the first is fulfilled by Abraham, the Father, starting the age of the son, withe the birth of Jacob, which is fulfilled in the Birth of Jesus, which start the final 2000 year era, which began at pentecost The birth of the Holy Spirit, and will culminate in the Spirit filled bride of Christ. As I mentioned to you before, the dates are astoundingly accurate with Adams birth, Jacobs birth, and Jesus birth being exactly 2000 years apart. In 1998, we had the Jubilee in Israel, which was 2000 years after the birth of Christ. Consider these things in your study of ages, as the numbers are astoundingly accurate.

      Yom Kippur, I said that there is one “sacrifice” remaining to be fulfilled, and it involves the cleansing of the temple. WE Are the temple! Those whom the Holy Spirit resides in. Some of us will be slaughtered, others will be the scapegoat. Some will be raptured, others will be left in the wilderness to face the tribulation. The Philadelphian church, versus the Laodicean church overcomers. Creation is awaiting the revealing of the sons of God is how Paul puts it. This will be Yom Kippur. The church in Smyrna will face ten days of tribulation, This is the ten days of Awe Between the feast of trumpets and Yom Kippur. I am Just beginning to grasp these things, so help is appreciated.

      So whoever annonymous is, he/she is headed in the same direction as my thinking. Traditional church doctrine states that Jesus fulfilled the Yom Kippur sacrifices. And indeed his blood is the blood that attones for them. So if you start saying this, you will get immediate and hard Pushback from mainline churches, I can almost gurantee that. It is the HS that will fulfill the Yom Kippur sacrifices!, And the HS dwells in us. Jesus Blood has sanctified us for such a role. We are called, all of us, and some of us are chosen by Lot for these roles. If you read the seven letters, to the seven churches, one will stick out as more personal than the rest, this is your church. There is no value good or bad which one you belong to, what matters is that you overcome the obstacles placed before you.
      God Bless>

    • The festivals were designed to be fulfilled by Jesus, not people. But in a way you are right, Jesus returns on the last trump (thus the feast of trumpets) but the resurrection/rapture of the living occurs at that same time.
      I don’t think the second coming / resurrection / Armageddon / Harvesting of the wicked are all going to happen on the same day.

      • James,
        It is not people that fulfill them, the Holy Spirit within the people fulfills them. This is the product of the sanctification of the Spirit. The Blood of the lamb, Jesus, has enabled this sanctification to occur, It is why he had to leave the earth, to allow for the Holy Spirit to dwell with Man. The six thousand year days mirror God’s six days of creation. We are completing the day man was created in God’s image, The result is a “New creation”. On day five, God created life on a desolate planet, Just as Jesus came at the start of the fifth millenial day, and gave us life, fulfilling the law which could not bring life. On day six the Spirit of the Lord will breathe life into man again. Jesus went to prepare a place for us, which is the new garden of Eden, which his new creation will enter, and it will be a solemn rest. The first words of the bible, foretell the rest, it is quite beautiful. Look at the history of this sixth millenial day. You have Satan’s forces trying to make man into God, and you have the true church being separated from the false. Waldenses, reformation, …=Man as the image of god, but not God, theism vs Nicolaitan church, theophany, Antichrist (the number of man 666)….=Man is god, humanism.

        Those who serve God, vs those who do not therefore serve themselves as their master.

        • I’m only referring to the feasts of Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, Trumpets and Atonement. The first three were definitely fulfilled by Christ and the next two will also be fulfilled by Him, not by people. He returns, then He judges the wicked. Only He can do these things.
          That’s all I’m saying here.

  59. The Armors on, and the sword is swinging.
    I have a longer time frame for the seals, dating back to the early church, but do agree that the green horse will culminate this year or next 2-3 years. I think what you are seeing is the completion of the seals and what I am looking at is the start. The white Horse I believe is Catholocism, More Specifically The time when constantine Made Christianity a “State religion”, I do not think that this one has culminated yet either, but will shortly. The black Horse with the scales, is protestentism, especially the individualism, the Work Ethic, and Capitalism associated with it, The red Horse is secularism/socialism, beginning with Humanism of the rennaissance, and obviously The green horse had its roots with Mohammad.
    Here is how I see these four horsemen playing out (culminating).

    White horse will culminate in the Catholic church Joining forces with the Beast. “The Woman riding the beast”
    Black Horse/ Red Horse. From one of these comes the beast, and the other the false prophet. The combination of the two will form the world government, which will be much like what we see in china. Now the false prophet could be the pope, or a protestent leader, though I am leaning towards a pope, as the protestent churches are less centralized, and I see no leader that they all follow, except the pope, in an ecumenical church of some form. (Although, I never thought of a morman president? hmm.!). That leaves the red Horse as the source for the Ac. He will declare himself God=humanism, He will not follow the God of his fathers=Humanism, The number 666 is the number of man=Humanism, There is a movement in some churches towards theophany=humanism, Marxist socialism is Material Humanism….
    We Already discussed the Green horse = islam, and is the dragon.

    As they play out here in the next couple of years, The order of the seals will become apparrent. Current pope will jump ship from his more western ties, and support the social Justice tendencies of the marxists, leading the religion to be the women riding the beast. Then we will have worldwide socialist revolutions, culminating in an economic catastrophy (What we have now is only a shadow of things to come) Islam, which controls a quarter of the world will become united as in caliphate led by the King of tyre, who has been around since the Garden of eden. Leaving Israel in the middle, as the only free country. Then we will have the psalm 83 war, and the subsequent treaty by the Ac, who rules “many”. Then the culmination of the fifth seal, which opened with the stoning of Stephen by Saul, whose testimony/Martyrdom (same greek word roots) Led to Saul becoming Paul the Apostle.

    This means that the first four seals will culminate before the “start of the tribulation”. If you carefully read the Matthew 24 account, you will see these seals, and then Jesus says “All these are but the beginnings of the birth pains.” Then they will deliver Christians up to tribulation, AKA fifth seal.

    I know many here believe we are in the tribulation now. I think the activity of these four horsemen is what we are seeing an increase in, but they have not culminated yet. They were unsealed long ago, but once they are released, is when the “REAL” persecution of the church begins.

    Hmm, That Mormon president/ black horseman thing really rings true for some reason. So If he is elected, we have the trigger, If Obama, we wait till 2017. The second head being his VP, Likely to be a “protestent”. 2 horns like a lamb, and spoke like a dragon.

    Sorry for the long response, Just thinking out “loud”. God bless.

    • You can see this on youtube or on Walid Shoebats site


      “In the name of Allah” = Bismillah = 666.
      On the Zola Levitt program, Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist said that when he saw the ancient Greek symbol for 666, he immediately read it as the Arabic character “bismillah” which means ‘in the name of Allah’.” Visit and scroll down to section “Age of Terror” and then “Mark of the Beast”, to view the interview. You can scroll the Real Player to the 12 minute mark where the interview with Walid Shoebat begins.

      The actual letters have nothing to do with 666. It was ancient letters that no one has understood except by using gamatria which would be like using astrology charts which is not the Lords’ way of working things out, but, in this name conquer which is the Aramaiic for allah so it is not surprizing that the term is how we would know the beast by this word for Islamic allah!It is not surprizing that what the original scholars did not understand long ago in translation they can today because of the aramaiic known by a former Muslim become a Christian belliever who would immediately recognize the ancient syimbols in aramaiic!

      • Hey Marie,
        You’ve got the right idea about the Catholic church. God can’t be happy with what has happened to it. The big question is, will He want to destroy Islam and allow the Catholic church (and others) to continue in their apostate ways after Christ returns, or will he more concerned with getting rid of the pagan practices of His own churches before He marries them? Here is a hint. Every false religion on earth will have to be tossed out and taught to be true Christians. TRUE Christians. They can not choose to be catholic, orthodox or and denomination that routinely breaks commandments, including the 4th.
        So shouldn’t the Book of Revelation, a book for Christians, be more concerned with cleaning up God’s house before the wedding, and then everything else will just fall into place.
        Also, read rev13 – 18 and see if the Catholic church / Vatican doesn’t fit perfectly as the woman who ride the beast. I’ve tried to get Islam to match all the scriptures but its not possible. History won’t confirm it either.
        They both have to go, its just a question of which one is highest on God’s priority list. Know what I mean?

        • I don’t know James that we should be worried since the Lord says that His harvest would grow up with the tares and when He returns the harvest would be removed first and then the tares would be gathered and then put into the winepress of the wrath of God. I’ve been in so many churches firing Pastors left right and center and putting up with crazy stuff that is hard to clean up. I am lost with all of it except for the fact I know this is how it is now and have determined to go on the narrow path and learn how to walk it each day and considering the warnings to all his children in the seven letters to the churches in Revelation that it is a warning to be removed as the first seven churches lights were put out in Turkey it is a solemn warning to every Christian.

          As for the woman that rides the Beast Islam I do not doubt who it is anymore. I remember that the Catholic church rose up out of much of Rome that slew the Lord, Europe, UN, rose up out of Catholicism and I remember that those who slew the saints make up the beast and Rome,Europe, Islam along with Russia as the Beast who originally slew the Jews in history (Daniels statue). Those are the trackers. I have no doubts that Europe and EU hated by Islam are now almost taken over by Islam and all have the terrible telltale of slaying the saints. Those who have slain the saints, Jews and Christians are the markers. Those that rides the beast of Islam today defending Islam at every evil turn while condemning Christians and Jews while expecting us to be perfect while they are not. This huge media mouth that hates Christians and Jews seems to work only to promote Islam today and the damage done everywhere is becoming deadly. They make up the total whore, beast and mouthpiece of Revelation. There is no more to come except the attack on Israel and all they will attack, but I also remember that scripture Ezekiel 38: 21 says that He will call for a sword against Islam throughout all His mountains’. So the Lord has reserved some nations, I think that will show there true colors in this time who will not stand with Islam but will stand with Israel and Christians when this war comes.

      • true…notice that 666 is still called a number……however, and the number of a man

        • Yes, it is the number of the pope, actually his title in latin, which uses Roman numerals as letters. Very few modern languages still use letters as numbers. Try it on your keyboard and see what happens. We can thank the Muslims for out Arabic numbers like 1234567890, so I don’t think 666 will come out of the Q’ran.



          • Actually the Muslims kept alive the Roman and Greek numbering systems but they invented nothing but Islam. It was India from where the numbering system was invented. Muslim pride in conquering and occupation of many peoples make them think they have a right to claim the Indian mathmaticians they enslaved was their discoveries but it was not…..

            In the classical period of Indian mathematics (400 AD to 1200 AD), important contributions were made by scholars like Aryabhata, Brahmagupta, and Bhaskara II. Indian mathematicians made early contributions to the study of the decimal number system,[2] zero,[3] negative numbers,[4] arithmetic, and algebra.

            Some of the areas of mathematics studied in ancient and medieval India include the following:

            * Arithmetic: Decimal system, Negative numbers (see Brahmagupta), Zero (see Hindu-Arabic numeral system), the modern positional notation numeral system, Floating point numbers (see Kerala School), Number theory, Infinity (see Yajur Veda), Transfinite numbers, Irrational numbers (see Shulba Sutras)
            * Geometry: Square roots (see Bakhshali approximation), Cube roots (see Mahavira), Pythagorean triples (see Sulba Sutras; Baudhayana and Apastamba state the Pythagorean theorem without proof), Transformation (see Panini), Pascal’s triangle (see Pingala)
            * Algebra: Quadratic equations (see Sulba Sutras, Aryabhata, and Brahmagupta), Cubic equations (see Mahavira and Bhaskara [disambiguation needed]), Quartic equations (biquadratic equations; see Mahavira and Bhaskara [disambiguation needed])
            * Mathematical logic: Formal grammars, formal language theory, the Panini-Backus form (see Panini), Recursion (see Panini)
            * General mathematics: Fibonacci numbers (see Pingala), Earliest forms of Morse code (see Pingala), Logarithms, indices (see Jaina mathematics), Algorithms, Algorism (see Aryabhata and Brahmagupta)
            * Trigonometry: Trigonometric functions (see Surya Siddhanta and Aryabhata), Trigonometric series (see Madhava and Kerala School)

            These mathematical concepts were transmitted to the Middle East through invasion alone which is an interesting fact. Whatever muslims kept alive from other peoples they conquered does not make it their invention. War, slaughter, dhimmitude, and slavery is the inheritance of Islam and other Empires could lay claim to that as well but their is no learning to lay at the feet of Islam other than forced conversion.

        • arithmos (the word number in english) Marianne, says that it is from the verb aheero, to lift up or to take away which if taken at its’ meaning together with the fact that the numbers 666 are actually not written in the scripture but gamatria was used to arrive at it, It is Khee xee stigma and not the numbers 666 and this means there is in fact more to the statement than originally translated. Actually the meanings of the original words are totally different than translated. 666 do not exist curiously in scripture. It is said that the original translators did not recognize the ancient Aramaiic terms Khee zee Stigma that Walid Shoebat immediately recognized as Aramaiic in one of his languages of the east, which meant in allahs name they conquer so we would recognize the beast by this term. It is actually clear if one would have translated long ago from the original languages and not altered the Ancient Aramaiic they did not understand in their day. So everyone may talk on about a number that in fact does not exist and gets everyone talking about a mistake made in translation and if we return to the original and forget about using gamatria we would all be on the truth rather than being a little bit near it. This is probably why everyone looks for what stands before their eyes already.

  60. Dru Dude – tracking with you. If ya got a “teachable spirit” then all things are good to eat – just need to “digest it” and ask the Lord to clearify and search the Scriptures – I know nothing but Christ, right?

    Also, we are not to getting into heated disagreements on this “sports and news and opinion” pages. Our exchange – no problems brother. We are in agreement on the Truth! God Bless you Dru.

    I think that this “spirit of Anti-Christ” as been messing with the Church a very long time in many different ways (as you so excellently present).

    I agree – current Pope turns in his robes (one way or another) in the coming weeks/months.We need to see a really strong willed False Prophet to lead the way for the Beast.

    Okay- spiritual warfare bible study is over but I have homework to do that is excellent for the fellowship of men the Lord is bringing together. I want Satan to fall like lightening as much as spiritual possible before he is toast for eternity. We overcome him (Rev 12:11). I know you know what I’m talking about. Rebuke and bind/cast off his menions often in the Name of Jesus!

    I’ll write more on this blog topic later today/tomorrow. Always enjoy reading your postings. God Bless Marianne too!

  61. Android
    Why is it that you are here?, I mean no disrespect, but Your views are totally unbiblically backed, and you claim authority from secret books, and your church. Now if you really want to convince us to believe these secret books then provide them and the Spirit in us will discern if they are from God, or not. Now I know about the shepherd of demas, and it is no secret, but what other ones do you use to back up your belief in reincarnation? Is it like Oprah Winfrey stuff? She is into that secret movement, isn’t she?

  62. you know who the mahdi is?

  63. Android,

    Can you give Muhammad a shout out from me, and let him know I read a correct history book on him as the murderer, and rapist he enjoyed being.


    BTW, Lucis Trust inside the UN building follows almost 100% what you have written. Truely New Age.

  64. Lucis Trust – google it. A good organization to spead the “new religion” of the false light (2 Corth 11:14-15).

    “The Lucis Trust is a nonprofit service organization incorporated in the United States in 1922 by Alice Bailey and her husband Foster Bailey, to act as a fiduciary trust for the publishing of twenty-four books of esoteric philosophy published under Alice Bailey’s name, and to fund and administer activities concerned with the establishment of “right human relations”. These include the Arcane School, a school for esoteric training, World Goodwill, Triangles, a lending library, The Beacon magazine, as well as the publishing company.

    Founded as the Lucifer Publishing Company in the early 1920s, the name was changed in 1925 to the Lucis Publishing Company. In Latin lucern ferre translates to “light-bearer” and lucis means of light. The Lucis Trust has always maintained the same name. It has headquarters in New York City, London, and Geneva.

    The objectives of the Lucis Trust as stated in its charter are: “To encourage the study of comparative religion, philosophy, science and art; to encourage every line of thought tending to the broadening of human sympathies and interests, and the expansion of ethical religious and educational literature; to assist or to engage in activities for the relief of suffering and for human betterment; and, in general, to further worthy efforts for humanitarian and educational ends.”

    The World Goodwill group, founded in 1932, has been recognized by the United Nations as a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO), and is represented during regular briefing sessions for NGOs at the United Nations. The Lucis Trust has consultative status (roster level) with the United Nations Economic and Social Council.

    The Trust is established in Great Britain under the title “Lucis Trust Ltd.”, in Switzerland as “Lucis Trust Association”, and in Holland as the “Lucis Trust Stichting.”

    From the Trust website there is this ex “A new and better way of life for all people everywhere in the world can become a reality in our time. Practical techniques in operation today can be learned and applied to the fulfilment of the divine plan for humanity.”

    • That’s a pretty good overview.

      I would like to add, most individuals that are a part of this world system do not believe as we do about Lucifer. To them he is the rightful god, and the G-d we pray to is the mean G-d that holds men down.

      Those who believe Lucifer is the true god, believe lucifer gave to humans knowledge. Therefore, caring for mankind. We believe in a Lucifer that loves himself as god, and hates humans with all his being.

      Notice how the world system loves everything of Lucifer, but hates that which G-d has ordered. Like homosexuality, the destruction of family, power, money…To add insult, the world system states there are many Christs’. Many ways to heaven.

  65. 4,
    O.K., I watched the whole stupid video very carefully even though it was a total waste of my time.
    All I saw was the sun rising and some daytime shots, some clear, some cloudy, then it got dark, the station lights came on and the moon rose in a path similar to the sun. Due to overexposure and lens flare, the moon looks larger and brighter than it does to the naked eye. I recently took several dozen similar photos of the full moon rising over my apartments, so I know the effects.
    I started taking moon photos when I was six years old. It is what got me interested in both astronomy and photography. I worked part time as a photographer both in the Navy and in civilian life and I taught photography for several years at various schools. I had a darkroom business for many years and I still print photos for my customers today. I millennium also very proficient in Photoshop so I can spot a fake quite easily.
    But in this case, there was no image manipulation, only a misinterpretation on what the subject matter was. All of the “puffy” images were due to lens flare and the fact that the night shots were time exposures. The two small anomalies as well as the large crescent-shaped image were all simple lens flare. Did you know that the proper exposure for a full moon is around 1/500th of a second? A 2 second time exposure results in an over-exposure factor of 1000X.
    Show these pictures to any professional photographer and they will say the same thing.
    The second video shows pretty much the same thing – the sun rising followed hours later by the moon rising. Not a planet and not a UFO.
    Also please note that these photos are nearly a year old. If there was an object hiding below the earth that could only bee seen from the south pole, then by this time, once the earth moved around to the other side of its orbit, whatever was down there would be clearly visible from anywhere on earth. It was not.
    Also note, the sun was shown rising in the video, followed shortly by the second object, right behind it. If an object was only visible in Antarctica, it would have to appear directly overhead, not on the horizon. So whatever the object was, this video proves that it was visible from all over the earth, just like the sun.
    Sorry, but when you try to disprove astronomy with bad photography, you lose!
    Two wrongs do not make a right.

    As for Christmas, here is what God has to say about it:

    Jer 10:1
    Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
    Jer 10:2
    Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
    Jer 10:3
    For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
    Jer 10:4
    They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
    Even God says it is pagan (heathen).

    And it’s one thing to honor the day that Christ rose, and another thing to change God’s law, written in stone. Good luck convincing Him that it was OK to do that. As Jeremiah said above, ”For the customs of the people [are] vain.” Just because everyone does it doesn’t mean God approves of it.

    As for your Haggai reference, you too v22 out of context. Here are vs 20-21:
    Hag 2:20
    And again the word of the LORD came unto Haggai in the four and twentieth [day] of the month, saying,
    Hag 2:21
    Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth;

    So God was talking to the Governor of Judah. When? Lets see:
    Hag 2:10
    In the four and twentieth [day] of the ninth [month], in the second year of Darius, king of the Medes.

    And from this you get the US? Give us a break. (Us meaning Americans).
    Now, let it be known that there will be a nuclear war and many countries will be involved, including the US but it will by the hand of man, not the wrath of God.
    God WILL destroy the nations that come against Israel in the war of Gog but that war may not occur until after Christ returns. But He WILL destroy everything in the churches that offends Him and is sinful. Breaking His commandments is a sin. The wages of sin is death. Sunday worshipping churches will die. Their followers will be corrected and if they refuse, they will die. This has been God’s way since the days of Noah, first with the Hebrews and soon with the Christians.
    It all comes down to whether you follow only the bible, or whether you accept other books from other religions or stuff made up by church leaders over the centuries. It is over the last of these that the Orthodox and Catholics have been arguing over for centuries. The Catholics added doctrine that the Orthodox church believe is false. Protestants simply believe that it is all made up and therefore false, or in the least, superfluous and unnecssary, and at most, purely pagan.
    If it were important to God, he would have put it on the bible, not leaked it church leaders centuries later. This includes the catechism, the Koran and the book of Mormon.
    Oh, and the Mayan texts as well.
    You can’t beieve everything everything you read and especially stuff you see on YouTube.
    Please, do yourself a favor and forget about this Nibiru nonsense.
    Come December, you’ll be glad you did!
    In case I’m not around at that time, here are my final words on the subject:
    I told you so!

    • you missed the second lighted object.

      • There were only two objects, the sun and the moon. Everything else is overexposed lens flare. There is nothing unnatural about this video. If the photography was better, it would be obvious what the images are. While it is obvious to an experienced photographer, to the untrained eye they can seem supernatural, especially when you have a slick narrator planting inaccurate thoughts into your mind.
        You won’t fall for crap from someone reading the Koran or the Book of Mormon, yet you believe what some stranger says without even researching the principles involved.
        And consider this, if those people really were looking at a new planet, why didn’t they tell the scientific community about it? They are researchers aren’t they? Yet they pass on the greatest story in the history of science? Or maybe they were too stupid to realize what they were looking at, and only the YouTube idiot was able to figure it out? And these people were claiming that Nibiru would soon be visible to everyone, yet a year later and still nothing. Still, only the YouTube nut jobs have seen it, and only using photos taken by real scientists who claim to have seen nothing out of the ordinary. I guess all scientists are pretty stupid since none of them are nearly as smart as YouTube posters.
        And a few days ago you told me that Nibiru was between the orbits of Uranus and Neptune – about 2 billion miles away. Even the largest estimates for the size of Nibiru is only 4 earth-diameters, way smaller than Uranus. Therefore Nibiru should be only a tiny fraction of the brightness of Uranus. Yet in that video it appears as bright as the sun.
        Your problem is that you trust every Nibiru tracker out there, and since it is a hoax, everyone can make up whatever they want from whatever photos they can get their hands on. Certainly, they all can’t be right, however, they all could be wrong, and they are.
        Nibiru was originally scheduled to arrive in the 1980’s but when it failed to show up, the doomsayers kept moving up the date to keep the myth alive. For now it is 2012, but soon they will move it back again (for some clever reason, I’m sure). Just wait till Dec 21st and see what happens in the Mayan calendar community. There will all sorts of excuses and corrections plus a lot of disappointment and embarrassment, fer shure.
        For now I will keep teaching and explaining for those who will hear me. But soon I will be able to just sit back, laugh and say, “I told you so!”
        Gee I can’t wait!

        • The second lighted object did not occur at the same time as the sun.

          • Of course not. If the moon were to rise at the same time of the sun it would be a new moon, and therefore not visible. Due to the time gaps between photos it was hard to tell when the moon rose, but checking a calendar, on July 14, 2010 the moon was a waxing crescent and would have risen 4-5 hours after the sun. But at that time of year, near the south pole, the sun would only stay above the horizon for a few hours, allowing darkness to fall just before moonrise. Everything I saw in the video fits this scenario perfectly.
            Even the last bit of lens flare looks like a reversed crescent moon for a few frames – an effect I have noticed many times when photographing the moon with certain lenses or filters. Of course, whenever I’ve taken a shot like this I’ve simply thrown them away. I never assumed I was looking at a UFO or a new planet. Otherwise the night sky would have to be filled with oddball objects by now.
            You should submit this video to the “Myth Busters” TV show, or “Paranormal, Fact or Faked.” Then you will get a professional’s opinion on them. In every episode of Fact or Faked I’ve ever watched (including yesterday) they were all either Faked or misidentified phenomenon.
            Who knows, there’s always a first time. And the shows’ producers would love to get the scoop on a big story like Nibiru.
            But then that might burst your bubble, so maybe ignorance is bliss…
            So if you absolutely, positively, must keep believing in Nibiru, be my guest. But at some point you are going to have to come to your senses.
            Until then, I will continue to be the voice of reason on the subject.

    • Well said!!!!!!!

  66. where does he live, and what is his name now?

  67. Marianne
    My computer keeps losing my comments when I go to post them under my name. I am signed in to the gravatar page, when I begin typing, and then when I go and post, it reverts me back to the password page of the gravatar. After I enter my information, all that I typed is gone. I have lost two rather lengthy comments now to this and it is quite frustrating. My computer is also being attacked by numerous viruses and worms, So until I get my other computer fixed, which also had the same issues, I will cease to comment for a while. I Just wanted to let you know incase there is something on your end that you can do or need to do regarding this. Or do I have to unsubscribe or something? The funny thing is, my Virus protection on this computer is up to date and functioning, But these viruses, or whatever they are keep finding their way in.
    Be back soon, Lord willing.


    • sorry i have no clue what is wrong.

      I can ask the support people.

      in the meantime, if you have a long comment . copy it to a word document and keep a copy, until you are sure it gets posted.

  68. Well however it eventually plays out, we sense and know that events are at hand. I pray that we all stand firm in the faith no matter what comes and I can’t stop praying for loved ones.I feel like we have ” months now ” . Anyone else?

  69. Well, the Mac OS is based on Unix and I do drink a lot of cola, so…
    But I never had a basement when I was young.
    But I was a loner – an only child. Maybe that’s why I spent so much time studying instead of playing.

  70. 4
    Friday does not mean death. In many languages like Spanish (Viernes) it is named after the planet Venus. Sunday is obviously names after the sun. In the US, Friday is named after the Norse god Frigg. In 182 languages the name for our Saturday comes from the word for Sabbath as in Spanish: sabbado.
    There is no doubt that Saturday is the 7th day, the day God rested. Say what you want, but don’t think you can fool God.
    Also, Jesus did not die on a Friday, but a Wednesday. We know He was in the tomb for at least 3 days and 3 nights. Do the math… Friday will not work. Plus, in 31 AD Passover was a Wednesday. There was not a Friday Passover any year close to the year of the crucifixion. Sorry, but good Friday is a hoax.
    Just like Nibiru.

  71. In case you forgot the creation story, here it is from Genesis 2:

    Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
    Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    God sanctified the seventh day and the church sanctified the first day.
    Who are you going to believe?
    I’m going with God on this one.

    And Friday to Sunday is not 3 days and three nights in the tomb, according to scripture, no matter how you figure it. Also, Passover on 33 AD was a Saturday. That really doesn’t work.
    You are still following church traditions and not facts.
    Faith does not override truth, it IS truth.

  72. Well 4,
    At least I’ve got you thinking that maybe Jesus will change the ways the churches today are operating. I’m sure the Orthodox church believes Jesus will remove all of the catholic practices that they disagree with, and I’m sure the Catholics feel the opposite will happen.
    But no church is perfect, just as no person is sinless. In rev3 Jesus rejects 6 of the 7 churches. This is a foreshadowing of what will happen when He returns.
    Perhaps after you realize your church was wrong about Nibiru, it might open your mind to other things that might be wrong also.
    And speaking of Nibiru, I just bought a new 100 power telescope so when it gets here you can tell me where to look to see it. If you give me the right ascension and declination coordinates I’ll be able to find it, even before it become visible to the naked eye. Unless of course that video is correct and it is already as bright as the sun.
    Gee, I hope I didn’t spend all that money for nothing.
    Hope you kept your scope when you sold your boat, just for this purpose…
    I fear not.

  73. Marianne,
    The Comets of God by Jeffrey Goodman Ph.D. is the best source for the hard science of the end times Scriptures. He gives facts and figures correlating Scriptures with the latest scientific knowledge about comets. He calls Joel 2:30-31 “…a scientifically accurate description of cometary impact effects” (pg 97). He addresses the Book of Revelation in great detail and agrees with many astronomers that it is describing comets with textbook accuracy in ways that modern science didn’t understand until very, very recently. Very readable, written by a saved Jew who knows his Hebrew and wants to inform God’s people. Kind of like a science commentary of the Bible.

  74. you are certainly a colorful personality….. 🙂

  75. This may be irrelevant and maybe fake but just wanted to share it.

  76. 4,
    You just told me that right now Jesus is on the planet Nibiru and won’t get here until December. Now you say he is here and only 38 years old. Wouldn’t the real Jesus be at least 2000 years old, if not infinite?
    Please explain your logic.

  77. So I guess Jesus never rose to heaven to sit at the right hand of the father. Instead He went to Nibiru to raise a family. With 4 wives no less. Maybe the Mormons really have something there.
    Now I get what you meant by reincarnation as opposed to eternal life. The Book of Revelation says those who are resurrected will never see the second death, but according to your secret sources, that’s not true. It appears that much of the bible is not true, or has been re-written by your ancient church leaders.
    Are you really certain it’s a good idea to listen to these people? For all you know they could have been the YouTube hucksters of their times. They were just men and men are fallible and corrupt. Even King David sinned greatly. This is what the protestant movement was all about – they were not against the word of God, but only the un-validated word of men. We can never be sure if their words were true.
    Well it won’t be long before we can test the Mayans and all you other secret books that predict Jesus’ return 7 months from now.
    Frankly, I can’t wait.

    • Anyone can read any translation today James, in the original words and be helped to understand the original vernacular if they can buy a book or go on the internet. We can all be grateful for that. When we gave our sons their Bibles with Hebrew, Aramaiic and Greek texts added, we also bought them their Exhaustive Concordances and a few other books to keep them from the blindness that Christians have been subjected to for so long.

      Android, your stories are long and absurd fairy tales though if I knew better I might think you have been reading all the revised scriptures from the Islalmic Qu’ran, Hadiths Surah etc. They certainly sound as absurd as your tales for they have altered the Bible entirely saying God gave them permission to do so since in their Replacement theology Islam replaces Judaiism and Christianity. Did you know that there is a warning at the end of Revelations 22: 18, 19 tagainst adding or taking away even one jot or tittle to any portion of scripture. It is a very frightening and serious warning in spite of what anyone wants to add or take away, by this warning the Lord does not leave us any excuses for doing so and any that do it only have themselves to blame. Imagine how much of Islam walks the wide road with even the replacement of Christ as Catholicism has done. It is a stern warning to all of us and to you and those you know Android, who are left without excuse this is most serious for there are many that warn you hear.

      I put this here for you to read because the terrible stories you tell of Jesus are and insult to his real life.

      18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

      19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

      John wrote this for all of us to read and remember before we jokingly or seriously add anything to scripture so all are warned and I put this here for you.

  78. O.K., 7.7 months.
    And so heaven is the planet Nibiru. I always wondered where heaven was.
    If Nibiru is a no-show will that mean Jesus is dead and heaven is gone?
    That would be bed.
    Very bad indeed.

  79. I actually bought my new scope to replace my big telescope which is too hard to set up im my new apartment complex. I will use it to look at Venus, Jupiter and Mars – you know, REAL planets.
    Oh yes, “no-show” just means to not show up when expected.

  80. Just got my new telescope an hour ago. So where do I look for Nibiru? I’ve looked at 3 different web sites and they all say Nibiru is in different places.
    One of the sites you sent me to says Nibiru will reach the earth on 9/11/12, but you say 12/21/12. They say it will pass by and you say it will park next to earth forever. Seems like nobody can agree on what is supposed to happen.
    Maybe because everyone simply makes up their own story since Nibiru doesn’t actually exist.
    Give me coordinates or give up on Nibiru.
    Stop this nonsense now before somebody gets hurt.

    P.S. iPads rock! Long live Apple!

    • I am not the best one to answer this question.

      one recorded location ( dwarf star with planets / moons, 1/4 size of Jupiter) was….

      in 2005

      SE of constellation Orion behind Octans Mensa and Chamaeleon.

      maybe that is a start…at least harvard admitted there was another star and solar system out there.

      5 h 53 m 27 s, -6 10′ 58″ as of 10-30 -11

      but blocked by google sky

      maybe just an asteroid?:

      • I checked out the Harvard web site and it is quite reputable. The article was very interesting but the problem is it’s about a brown dwarf system that is 500 light years away. That’s 3 quadrillion miles! If this object is Nibiru the millennium will be long over before it comes anywhere near the earth.
        The other YouTube videos are all helter skelter with no correlation.
        Sorry, but this is all a dead end.

        • I said, I am not the one to get information from. the bibles does mention wormwood, some passing object that falls to earth, but I cannot say something this huge has been predicted.

          it does mention turning the world upside down during a huge shaking of the earth, but it does not mention what caused it.

          it would have to be something that comes near to the earth, unless God just decided to use supernatural power to do this.

        • Just a heads up. It is my understanding the Mayan’s believed the return of their gods in 2012, not G-d’s return, or the end of the world.

          There is a huge play in the media about UFO’s, and ancient aliens. Almost every day. Perhaps, the world system under the charge of their father Lucifer, is getting ready for the big lie that will decieve the elect.

    • This is off the subject of Nibiru, but why hasn’t anyone mentioned Apophis? That’s a football stadium sized asteroid headed for earth in 2029. This is so well validated that retired astronaut Rusty Schweickart has been devoting his retirement to begging Congress for funds and recruiting young people to study engineering and figure out how to tow this monster away from earth. This will be passing between us and our moon at the same orbit as our communications satellites in 2029. NOONE KNOWS what electromagnetic exchange may occur from a close pass like this. And if it hits a certain keyhole of gravity it will be back in seven years on a collision course with the Pacific Ocean off the coast of California. A massive tsunami would occur. A close pass, seven years, then holocaust. This is real, folks, and the Russians are planning to blow it up with nuclear weapons, which may cause more harm than good. The European space agency is also working on this as well as NASA. I know it seems like a long way away and you’re sure Christ is coming sooner, but take it from someone who’s been waiting since Hal Lindsey first wrote Late Great Planet Earth, it will soon be 2029!

      • an interesting object to watch 🙂

      • Hi Nancy,
        I’ve been following Apophis for years now and they recently updated the predictions due to additional observations from Hawaii and Arizona. This is from NASA:
        “Initially, Apophis was thought to have a 2.7 percent chance of impacting Earth in 2029. Additional observations of the asteriod ruled out any possibility of an impact in 2029. However, the asteroid is expected to make a record-setting — but harmless — close approach to Earth on Friday, April 13, 2029, when it comes no closer than 18,300 miles above Earth’s surface.
        Updated computational techniques and newly available data indicate the probability of an Earth encounter on April 13, 2036, for Apophis has dropped from one-in-45,000 to about four-in-a million.“
        So it looks like Apophis won’t be the star that falls to the earth in Revelation, but there a millions of undiscovered bodies out there and many are discovered every year, so who knows.

  81. this post is about demons, bugs or people? as far as the prophecy goes.

    anyone have an opinion that is on topic?

  82. You android speak in the most disgraceful manner to all that are here. You believe the most disgraceful lies and use them to hit everyone over the head with because you seem to believe you are in some heavanly group of people you say are part of the Vatican that itself is so full of darkness that it is pitiful to consider the people who build on the darkeness of idolatry in the vatican have also known the Word of God that forbids all of their idolatry of idols and abominations of borrowed religions. Those who preach lies for truth, evil for good and wrong for right are in grave danger already but when you believe in this evil path it is most difficult to ever come back!

  83. No man can possibly know the day or hour of the Lords’ coming but we can discern the times if we would have our eyes and ears cleansed to hear what the Spirit says to the Churches.

    35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

    43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

    44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

  84. The US has been there many times. When do you suppose your country will be going there? Maybe they are waiting for Nibiru to show up and then go there instead. I hear it is “heavenly” there!

  85. Android
    That is now the second person to observe that your beliefs are in line with the Koran. Perhaps your beliefs have been corrupted by Satan himself???

  86. Denying the divinity of Jesus, That he was merely a man, hence a created/recreated being. The Bible is quite clear, Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. You, like many, see his submission to God the Father as a sign of his weekness and imperfections, I see it as a sign of his perfection. That being the embodiement of perfect Love, and Humility. God is Love, Jesus is God’s Love revealed, therefore Jesus is God. If A=B, and C=B, therefore A=C simple logic.

    • Dru,

      I would stop trying to change the mind of Tares.
      By the way, they are everywhere.

      I would just pray to Jesus dude! Pray for the strength through His blood.
      Pray for me too.

      I just want for God, Yeshua ,and the Spirit, to accomplish Their Will.
      I want my small part to be over, no matter what the consequences to me are regarding that.

      Pray Dave.
      Pray for all that are His. (Which are not as many as you might think.)
      As I said, Tares are everywhere. Many in different churches, in positions of power.(etc.).

      Time is short.

      May Yeshua the Son of God and His Sacrificial Blood keep you bro.

      • I agree….tares are EVERYWHERE…and mainly in churches. satan infilterated churches…for the most part all churches are full of Laodiceans…being told “all you have to do is believe”…well, even satan believes in Jesus. It is not that simple. I only wish it were. I have talked to about 6 preachers these last few months about the miraculous and wonderful things the Holy Spirit is doing with me and they literally have NO RESPONSE. NONE. They barely will even mention the words…Holy Spirit. it is like I have a disease…I pray they wake up before it is too late.

  87. You are Ruotsalainen??

  88. Jesus is God. If Jesus is not fully God by himself, then he is 1/3 God, by your thinking. This then also means that God the Father is 1/3 God by himself. This is blasphemy, plain and simple. God the Father is fully God, Jesus the Son is fully God, and The Holy Spirit is fully God. It is not 1/3+1/3+1/3=1, it is 1x1x1=1. When Jesus was here on earth, he was fully God, and fully man. He however set aside his divine Power, and lived as a human, under the yoke of his own Law, and suffered death on the cross. This is the humility, and submission which the Law was intended to reveal, Which Israel had turned into a idol of stone, and worship. Israel Obeyed on the outside, not on the inside. Jesus obeyed on the inside, By submitting to God the Father and doing his will. We have many in the churches today, who still look at external obedience, and do not submit to God. This is the “synogogue of Satan”. MOST CHURCHES fall into this category, only the TRUE CHURCH lives in relation to God, Submitting to the will of God.

    Adventists, are the other extreme from your Churches. They are a reaction to the paganism of the Catholic, and Orthodox churches as well as the many protestent churches which worship on sunday. They uphold the Law as their God, and If led to disobey by the Spirit, they do not heed the call.
    They are counting on their works to save them, though they will not admit it, going so far as saying that sunday worship is the mark of the beast. When I say that the Spirit has not led me to worship on saturday, their automatic response is that I am not Christian. This does not mean that there are no true Christtians in both of these churches, Only that the churches, though in opposition to one another are serving the same master, which is not Jesus. Coincidently, they also have a hangup on the Divinity of Jesus, saying that he was not fully God, before making his sacrifice on the cross. In other words, Jesus was say 9/10 of God, but not fully God before hand. This math is also a blasphemy, As the triune God would have been less than fully God before the cross, using the math formula above.

    This is the ONE hangup all false religions have. Islam, Hinduism, Mormonism, etc….If you do not agree with this, You are not serving the one true God. Every one who is serving God, will confess that Jesus is fully God. All who do not, will not, as they are serving another master. The only equation that works is 1x1x1=1. Even when Jesus was on earth he was fully God!!

    The confusion you are trying to bring is not from God, but is from his adversary. Just as the confusion which is brought in by the adventists, or Islamists, or whatever, is Not from God. You are unwittingly serving the same master.

    • Dru,

      He is more than likely doing this on purpose to keep you busy, instead of resting in the Spirit, to find out what He wants you to do?

      My advise to you, is to just leave the Tares alone.

      I found out that one of the people that I have been sincerely helping in their walk over the last 5 years, praying for them etc. is actually a Tare.
      (My Judas).

      Oh, and did you get my last email?
      My account has been hijacked for the most part.

      Let me know if you did please.
      Love you brother.

  89. Dude,
    Apollo 18 was a movie, not a space mission. The monsters you saw were CGI, not even real models. There is no way the US or any other country for that matter to have launched such a mission without the rest of the world finding out. Besides that, the moon is so 30 years ago – been there, done that. And the chips NASA developed for the moon program led to the ones that are in your computer and in trillions of electronic devices around the world. We would be doing this blog with stamps and envelopes if not for NASA, so we should all give credit to the engineers and scientists that helped make the modern world possible. Even to my Dad who helped build and assemble the lunar rover many years ago. Thank you all!
    So anyway, it looks like we will all have to hitch a ride on a Russian rocket in order to get to Nibiru when it gets here. Its kinda nice to know we will be able to hop over to heaven and visit you and Jesus from time to time. Although I’ve heard Nibiru is equivalent to over 4 earth diameters so the gravity and atmospheric pressure might crush a puny human. Hope it won’t flatten poor Jesus or His 4 wives etc.
    As I said, I’ve already calculated the time of the winter solstice here in California so I will be ready, but of course Nibiru won’t appear out of thin air (will it?) so we should know if you are correct quite a bit sooner than that.
    When do you suppose Nibiru will be visible in my new scope, and then to the naked eye? Heck, I saw Saturn last night and it is almost 2 billion miles away. Of course, it is REAL, so that was one thing in its favor, but even a smaller planet should be visible soon. Especially if you believe those antarctic videos that showed an object so bright it lit up the entire ground. We shouldn’t need a scope to see some thing like that.
    So where the hell is it? (Any thoughts Marianne, and please don’t send me info that is 7 years old again?)

    Like a lot of people, I’m getting tired of waiting for this thing to appear. But what I AM excited about seeing is the apology you are going to write on this blog on Dec 22nd. And then for you to finally see the light and come out of that apostate church and become a real Christian for the first time. It will feel good, believe me!
    So until that time, good-bye friend!

    • well, we have gone from magic carpet rides to missiles, due to advanced technology.

      I have not seen anything yet in the northern hemisphere, so I have to wait like everyone else, to see what happens.

      Even if it does show up, there is nothing I can do about it.

  90. android if you have not read those terrible Islamic books then I say it is the same spirit of satan that would add or take away from Biblical scrlipture as Islam has and defile that which is good. Have nothing to do with such evil stories about Jesus or scriptures of the Lord that add or take away from the truth written for us all. It is absolutely wrong to do so.

    PRAY FOR THE RAINS OF JOEL 2: 23 & 28 AND 29.




  92. You got it pardner! A true test of faith!

  93. well howdy everyone. Its me, SaNcheNusS. So what is we talking about? We still fighting over which God is the True God?

  94. Now, why would an all powerful, all knowing, all loving God who created this vast , complex and beautiful earth and Solar System with the many different stars and The SUn and THe Moon Down to ALL of the small complexities of the human body, and what not, Going to say to people….. but there is only one way into eternal happiness? Really? Would an all loving powerful God really make the way back to erhm God so constricted?

    • Well, we know from the Old Testament that God has always required His people to live a certain way that pleases Him, and when they don’t, He punishes them, sometimes severely. Are you expecting a free pass to everyone on earth of any religion as long as they are not totally evil. Of course, we must first define evil, or might I say sin, and if I’m not mistaken, God has already done that a long time ago.
      So, what are your thoughts on the matter?

    • hi SaNcheNusS

      Man’s true freedom in his relationship with God is holy, structured, and guided, as man is fallible, makes mistakes, and needs divine direction. That is why the prophets were sent, to constantly bring man back to where he needed to be.

      Man seems to continually get off the path on his own. The path he would pick for eternal happiness would not necessarily be the correct one, unless he had some guidance from god himself. Look at all the pagan cultures around the world, and in history. Some sacrifice children to their idols, and some eat human flesh. This is totally not in line with the will of god.

      Jesus ( Yeshua) came to provide a road map and the right path, so man would not get lost in his own ways. Jesus is the way to the Father, and no other way will work.

      If you are not on the right path, you will end up at the wrong destination. Correct?

      Not all paths lead to God. Most lead to destruction. Look at the governments today. Most are leading to nuclear war.

      The path god has given us is a gift. It lights our way so we do not get lost, and end up suffering.

  95. Marianne in Rev. 19 where it talks about the a “supper” for the fowls of heaven. I use to think it was like vultures eating the dead but I have come across information that these are these reptillian&grey ailiens who are fallen angels that will come torture,terrorize&eat alive those un-godly people who have taken the mark of the beast in the latter part of the great tribulaton. This is a final fate to those who reject Christ&take the mark. These folk don’t know what is in store for them-very sad

    • hi Ronnie

      That is a very strong possibility.

      Rev 18:2 also says this
      And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

      Birds are not “hateful.”

      Good point. I might make a post out of that. Very good. !!

  96. Marianne I recently saw some videos on you tube by a man named Phil Schnider who worked for the US Government&was very high up-CIA,US Military ect. He was strangled in 1996 but before that he was revealing his life&work high up. In Aug. 1979 he & the US military had a fire-fight between our green&black berets& some”greys”(ailiens) in an underground base in New Mexico He said he killed at least 2 but they had some type of radiation weapon&he&2 others were the only ones out of 70 who survived.Bullets against a Cobalt 60 radiation weapon. He said the beam was a light green color He had several fingers missing from this attack plus their weapons opened his chest&he showed the scar Also burned the toe-nails off his feet. Marrianne he walked away from a job that paid him 500.000 a year&a pension of a million a year after he said he saw these greys telling the high-ups in the U.N&the U.S government what to do not once but twice You need to go there&hear his bizarre story He had many attempts on his life before he was strangled&he talks about them Area 51 is a demon/ailien stronghold. Phil knew everything about that place.

    • hi ronnie

      I am familiar with Phil’s story. thanks. others should read about it.

      • I believe that the “aliens” for sure are fallen angels/demons/nephilims. They are real. Genesis 6:4 sasy…There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughter of men…NOTE…it says and “also after that”…meaning to mean after God destroyed them in the flood…they came back…the Holy Spirit has told me yes they are still around…I believe in them and believe these are what we called to day “aliens” …call me crazy but God does not lie. When I asked him for the whole truth ….he is giving me answers that at first startled me to say the least..but they are real and they are part of the final days.

        • I do not know Deb if you have read the Companion Bible which has a massive original texts side to the scripture as well as appendices with the same original Scripture Texts which contain a portion of the Giants or Nephilim. Dr Bullinger was an incredible Hebrew and Greek scholar who dedicated his life to producing alongside the english scriptures (often mistranslated) the original words of the original scriptural texts because he felt the average layman was exposed to much mis-translation by the Catholic church and Replacement theology. It is an excellent study and food for thought along side the english bible. The original words of the texts are exactly what you say above about the Nephilim and I suspect today that the fallen angels that were loosed in the River Euphrates after John wrote the Revelation have been loose through the earth since and since Christ was the only one able to break the seals and begin their unloosing, these things men have been subjected to are probably what you say. I don’t call you crazy but see you read scripture and like Mary we ponder these things in our hearts.

  97. 4android4 man are you led by your nose, catholics are a brood of their father satan, come to your senses man and see them for what they really are are. I know there are those that belongs to that twisted sect that is serious about God and Jesus but they are being led by their noses and believe in the lies that are being fed to them, as you are, they believe in the lies of the pope and all his hence men who are the sons of satan, wake up man before it is to late, see them for what they are. Your whole system is full of satan and demon worship, from Ra to god knows what else. For your information the pope and its hence men are those sitting behind the whole “One World Order” and is trying their utmost best to bring it about. BUT my God are going to sort them out, they will not conquer, maybe for a very short while (two and a half years?), they will only lose, as their lot has already been determined by the Most High.

  98. How many Christians where killed by the roman catholic hordes?

  99. Please don’t reveal secrets from your church because they are all lies.

  100. And they will all be in HELL with you.

  101. man I’m sure you spoke to none other than big brother Satan.

  102. Jesus loves the Vatican.!!!!!!!!!!!! Did he send you a letter to that effect?

  103. God hates what man has used this technology for…Pornograghy, the computer is rampant with it and it has destroyed many lives…..but what satan meant for evil (technology) God is using for Good…spreading the truth of his word that pastors/churches are not. I did not learn anything about the fact that time is short from any preacher ( they won’t even discuss it)….but one day I typed in the internet…God I want to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth”….when I “sensed” in my spirit that he was returning soon…and I learned more than any preacher could ever preach ( well …if they would preach it I might have learned it) but as I said…they are afraid to lose the mighty dollar! so…no God does not hate technology…he like I said used for GOOD what satan meant for bad. Praise Jesus Christ.

  104. android
    That is how you justify the murder of millions?

  105. You see marianne, this is the kind of rats you should not tolerate. But who am I to say? Once one rat gets into the house, they multiply and infest.

    • android is not multiplying… one agrees with him.

      • Remember How we used to say that about the nutjob communists in our country? Now they run the country. How about what churchills predescessor said about Hitler? A little seed like this can grow into fullblown hatred and persecution. Android is merely a baby rat. You have fully mature and reproducing ones on your site. They are devouring sheep as we speak. You are enabling that.

        Your choice though, it is your site.
        I bid you adieu. You ready for the infestation!

    • Dru 7

      Have you been getting my email?


  106. Pope Leo the Tenth established a practice called the “selling of indulgences” as a way to extort money from the people.

    He offered forgiveness of sins for a fairly small amount of money.

    For a little bit more money, you would be allowed to indulge in a continuous lifestyle of sin, such as keeping a mistress.

    Also, through the invention of “Purgatory”, you could purchase the salvation of your loved-one’s souls.

    The church taught the ignorant masses, “As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the troubled soul from Purgatory springs!”

    Pope Leo the Tenth showed his true feelings when he said, “The fable of Christ has been quite profitable to us!”

    Simply the truth of history.

    Praise Yeshua our Savior, The Way, The Truth and The Life.


  107. funny…actually there IS a virus called DRU

    but this Dru is not one.

  108. In God’s kingdom, you will have freedom of speech, but that speech does not include blasphemy! Go have your master do what he is planning on doing, for God is at work preparing to destroy those who blaspheme him.

  109. android

    freedom of speech is ok. But it would help if what was said was accurate.

    You say some amazingly strange things that are contradicted by the bible.

    you need to spend time reading it, instead of going by what your church teaches.

    • Marianne
      Today is the anniversary of Israel becoming a nation again, is it not? if true, then today marks the beginning of the “tenth” day of Israel as a nation, i.e. the day of atonement for Israel!! I saw on the news the palestinians were up in arms against them, to mark this anniversary.
      It is time to reach them with the Gospel. any thoughts?

      • Time to reach them with the gospel Marianne? They were the first ones in the east to hear the gospel as they slaughtered the Cradle of Christianity and they have never stopped slaughtering Christians and Jews because they believe their demi god and false prophet replaced Judaiism and Christianity. No Marianne they have had the gospel for 1400 years of slaugjhter and have rejected it. All things have come full circle and this is thier time of Judgement. I tell you they have spilled blood to the horse bridles. There is more going on than most people want to understand or admit.

        • It is interesting Marianne that the seat of Satan which is Turkey today whose capital Istanbul meaning “Islam abounds” was a change of name of the ancient city of Constantinople by the invading Islamic armies and which was just one of the Byzantine/Constantine names changed by Islam because all of Turkey contains the first seven churches of Revelations most important letters to the churches of the early Messianist footsteps, warning them of thier lamps being removed. Islam removed them and the Ottomans rule destroyed all history to their way of thinking of anything non-Islamic. Curiously upon digging up anchient civilizations debris Turkey is surprized to find Christian and pre-Christian debris that Islam has built upon making their revised Islamic history a joke. Islam throughout the Middle East received the gospel before anyone else on the earth and the idea that they do not have it is moot. Islam destroyed the Cradle of Judaiism and Christianity after Rome, Hadrian and Titus, destroyed the Christ and scattered the Jews, so Islam, planted their abominations everywhere, including in Jerusalem, replanting Christianity and Judaiism, everywhere with the purpose of destroying it completely and usurping even their heavanly portion, as if they could. No, there is no fear that Islam at any level has not heard the gospel, for all the earth has done so today. What we are seeing is the Beast, False Prophet and the blinded followers being prepared for Judgement and the wrath of God for they have surely slaughtered the Saints of the 1400 years of their grisly rule of Sharia wherever they have gone.

          • I have to add here Marianne, that the idea that these seven churches obliterated by Islam, should be attributed to individuals is an absurd personal degeneration of those who deem themselves prophets who are not and those who deem themselves scholars of scripture who have clearly no idea of what the scriptures meant and mean and pretend to be scholars moved by the Holy Spirit to repeat such lies. I am sorry to hear you or anyone else named after these churches since they have been put out long ago. The few bones of lingering eastern churches, that remain have been fast removed over these last hundred years by Islamic Sharia, if you will ‘ Come out of her (Babylon) my people’ (the terrible modern hundred year slaughter of Christians in the Islamic world today) which I suspect are being removed because the Wrath of God referred to in Ezekiel 38 andf 39 against the Islamic countries including Russia, (and the wrath of God is not prepared for His children) who have slaughtered God’s Saints, Jews and Christians, are about to be destroyed for their unending hatred of the people and G-d of Israel and Christians or Messianists. He will only leave one sixth of these people. To hear you or others named after these churches, which also refers to the Church ages beginning and to our day, is wrong and completely inappropriate. These letters are warning to all of G-ds’ People of where the early church fathers would fall and where we Christians or Messianists are always in danger of falling and pride is usually the mover of the fall.

            • hi marie jean

              I am not accepting an assignment of representing a church, especially one that has flaws that I do not have.

              Many people today are claiming God speaks to them but it is flesh, not spirit.

              You can tell by how condemning they get if you do not agree with them.

              There is a lot of negativeness that people need to “come out of.”

              Islam, paganism, godlessness, self worship, etc.

              • Oh Marianne, Marie jean
                You are welcome to ignore my message. Just like Marie jean ignored my apology regarding 1998 Jubilee. Pride is what hinders you from seeing. It is rampant on this site. Everyone is right in their own eyes and uncertainty abounds. Whatever church you belong to, does not matter, so long as you are an overcomer. But You folks are like the pharisees looking for the best seat in the church, and walking around all puffed up. It is disgusting to watch.

                Goodbye all, and see you on Judgement day. Marianne that was by far the most childish comment I have heard anyone write, and it really shows your maturity level! What happens, If what I have said is from the Spirit and not the flesh, Marianne??? You are condemning yourself. Next thing you know you will be turning me over to the authorities and thinking you are doing the work of the Lord.

                I know you hate me, so I will leave.

                The rats may now commence their plague.

                This comment will disappear as soon as Marianne reads it. kind of like the mission impossible tapes.

                To those of you that love the Lord, leave Now!

                The Lord Yehovah, he is God Eloyhimn. God is TRUTH

                • Dru,

                  You need to stand back and take a look at what is going on here. Marrianne did nothing against you. You know how writing is, it is easy to take things wrong. You and Alienated are betting the farm on something and you are feeling the pressure of it all and your cracking. Take a step back and relax, all of these things will come about in their own time.

                  Peace to you my friend

                • Dru

                  I hope you sort out the conflicts you have.

                  maybe once you do, you will not need to make judgments arising from your thoughts of others.

                  Sometimes we come to wrong conclusions, because we cannot put ourselves in the shoes of others, or want to know what they really think.

                  If you focus on the positive, instead of inventing the negative, seeing things that are not what they seem, you will feel better.

                  I hate no one.

                  I see no real rats.

                  just people who have different views…some are wrong, but they are strangely sincere, and love God.

                  God looks at the hearts, not how accurate we get our doctrines.

                  The craziest fool will enter heaven before the most prideful wise man.

                  There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

                  I do not accept unfair condemnation of myself or others.

                  The greatest freedom is in understanding that true righteous judgment belongs to god, not us.

                  We are just supposed to love each other.

                  Love you Dru!

                • What Marianne has said here is good dru. I read your apology and accept it. But speaking to you about anything seems to lead you to attack people with what you say the Spirit has told you about them. You make it personal attacks and say the Spirit says to do it. I am not here to do that. Most people like Marianne said are here to talk and learn and share. I take it serious and know there are times when we must speak the word of truth to help each other but, I want no part in these personal attacks and you and Android seem to get off on attacking people personally. We all have differerent world views that effect our spiritual lives and views. but the Lord brings us through somehow and teaches us His ways instead of our own. That is why I have said nothing, I do not want to attack people, I think there is a great need to learn truth in Scripture, History and what is really going on in the world today and spiritually and I think that helps people learn more than attacking them personally and calling them the different names of the church that you do. That is all I want to say.

  110. Well marianne, I got hit by that virus that deltes my comments again. It seems to happen when I am commenting to android? Anyway, luckily it was only a short comment. My question was for you though. here it is.

    Today is the anniversary of the founding of Israel, correct? That means that Israel is starting its “Tenth DAY” since its restoration. As you know the tenth day is the day of atonement, meaning the time is now to preach the Gospel to them. I saw in the news that the Palestinians were marking this day with violence. Does this speak to you??

    • not sure what you mean.

      2012 – 1948 = 64 years

      Yom Kippur is in the fall, not summer

      • Marianne
        70 years = 10 seven year days. The 63rd year ended, and we are entering the tenth of these days. The tenth day is the day of atonement, assuming that trumpets sounded when Israel became a nation. Let the Holy Spirit speak to you. Read the letter to the church that I mentioned you were part of. Particularly the opening verses. You stood up to me regarding the Son of God, vs. the oneness of God That is what your churches Spirit was holding. I am the Laodicean overcomer. The Spirit in my church holds to the what the “Amen, the beginning,” That Jesus was always God, and equal with God. This oposition was keeping us apart. the time is now to receive each others Spirit. Read what I wrote to don on the other page. This is no Joke, the Holy Spirit is Moving, Submit to that Spirit in you, and you will understand. This is so much bigger than any one of us. God bless

        • sorry that is BS, not the holy spirit.. I am not from a Laodicean church..get real

          • Marianne,
            I am a laodicean, not you. You are a thyatiran overcomer.
            Read my comment again. Take the time to read the letters. It does not matter what church you belong to, so long as you are an overcomer. The time is now to make room for and receive (choreo) the Other Spirits of the Lord. Stop treating me as a child. Open your heart to this. I have received the Spirit in you. You have overcome the Jezebel Spirit, and you are rightfully distrusting of Others. I pronounce healing on the Hurt you have experienced by them. In Jesus Name. Submit to the Holy Spirit, not to me. The Holy Spirit is equal to God, and is the Spirit of the Lord. Marianne do not trust me, Trust God. There is no shame in weekness, and humility, the Lord loves and uses our weekness. He wants you under his wings. “(she) who has an ear let (her) hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

  111. jesus never said that….

    show me the chapter and verse.

    and show me where the bible said he got married

  112. What happened to Demons, Bugs or People?


    this later writing does not say jesus got married and had 4 wives.

  114. Marianne,
    Android has got you under a spell, that circles around and around. You are wasting your time with him. We dealt with Didache chapter 8 nearly a year ago, and he is still bringing this up. do not waste your time marianne.

    He is saying evil (murder) is good, and Good is evil. “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when ALL the arrogant, and ALL the evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, Says the LORD OF HOSTS, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.” Mal.4:1

    • dru

      I occasionally comment….it seems like the pot calling the kettle black here since I am not the one who usually responds to him. I just weigh in sometimes to give other commenters support.

  115. now you are being silly

  116. go to a bible supply store and get a crucifix that people hang on their walls…that is about the same size… can buy a chain and attach it.

  117. i can print you a tee shirt.

  118. As i was reading on “reptilians” one night on the internet…and looking at you tubes the Holy Spirit told me they are real. We have them among us now. there is no telling how many. and when these demon nephilims come back…i pray that is when it is time to “escape all these things”

  119. android, your Swedish freedom appears to do nothing for the children of Sweden who..Sweden already wages a war with Islam and immigrants as well as the rape of their children for in their rejection of God and His laws they have inherited the wind (a destructive force they hankered for and as they say in your own papers and elsewhere, “Last year I wrote an article about how Swedish society is disintegrating and is in danger of collapsing, at least in certain areas and regions.The “Swedish model” would no longer refer to a stable and peaceful state with an advanced economy, but to a Eurabian horror story of utopian multiculturalism, socialist mismanagement and runaway immigration.

    Your bragging of Sweden is no different than your distateful religious banter defending vile church teachings both of which are preparing to fall.

    .One in ten female high school students in Sweden has been forced to take part in some sort of sexual act, according to a new study from Linköping University.
    “When we are in the city and robbing we are waging a war, waging a war against the Swedes.”
    The number of rape charges in Sweden has quadrupled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six times as common today as they were a generation ago.

  120. android, nothing you say is scriptural or words of Christ for He did not and would not speak as you do. How Christ would speak is how we are all held accountable for every lie and foul doctrine. Christ did neither and neither did He create the Vatican to represent Him on earth for Christ and the Holy Spirit need no one else to do the Blessed and Holy work they have done!

  121. Marie Jean..I have not read the Companion Bible…but I might take into consideration getting one. I definitely do believe part of what scripture says as “in the days of Noah”…it was also talking about all of the Nephilim that the Lord destroyed in that time. Sad to say I had no clue that was some of what scripture meant until recently. No one could convince me otherwise that this is not part of the evil scheme of things that has been taking place for hundreds of years to finaly come to conclusion in these last days. Most think I am nuts when I talk about these things….let alone can even remotely believe they are real. Maybe a few years ago I might have thought the same thing. Not anymore.

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