Don’t Hurt the Oil and Wine !

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Is Jesus really talking about 2 liquids?

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day’s wages, and three quarts of barley for a day’s wages, and do not hurt the oil and the wine!" Rev 6:6

This instruction comes in the middle of the description of the black horse of famine.

Why would Jesus say do not touch the oil and wine?

During a famine, people would not care about extras like oil or wine anyhow.

From the description, it appears it is a blight on the worlds grain supply, although it might, and most likely does, include other foods.

Oil and wine?

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Marianne’s theory

When I think of wine, I think of the symbolism of the Holy Spirit, being the new wine. So, the wine represents born again Christians.

This symbolism was used in these passages:

Luke 5:36-37

And he spoke also a parable unto them; No man puts a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new makes a rent, and the piece that was [taken] out of the new agrees not with the old.

And no man puts new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.

Acts 2:14 17

But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is [but] the third hour of the day.

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

When I think of oil, I think of olives and the olive tree, a symbol of Israel.

Rom 11: 17, 24

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be grafted into their own olive tree?

Conclusion

If my interpretation is correct, then in the midst of this terrible famine brought by the black horse, there is hope for those who trust in God, and share in the hope of the Messiah.

True believers in Christ already acknowledge Yeshua (Jesus) as Messiah.

Israel will eventually recognize Him and accept Him, when He comes.

So, both will be preserved during this difficult time.

Christians have the “new wine” of the Holy Spirit.

Israel is the oil from the olive tree.

Just my thoughts.


93 Responses to “Don’t Hurt the Oil and Wine !”

  1. Love it…….lines up with what I feel in the Spirit too……..

    • me too.

      Until I found this, I was concerned about christians having to prepare for a famine. Now I understand they just have to be prepared to help others.

      • Well, let me be clear, I prep quiet a bit. We have 3-6 mo. supply laid by for hard times. I make our bread, we have chickens, I can food a lot………I feel led to do this. It’s wisdom………..

        • I’m being led to prepare too; we started a garden this year, will expand this fall and next spring. Learning food preservation, and starting to network w/ others who produce stuff that we won’t for awhile. I really want a gi-normous garden, to help feed our neighbors if need be. Talk about outreach! Jordan Rubin (Maker’s Diet) is now farming and ranching, and saying EVERY church have a farm to provide for their congregation. All these voices saying this – lost and found alike – can’t all be wrong; we need to prepare.

          • Remember though sisters, that God provided for Israel with Manna from Heaven daily and they had plenty each day and did not keep any leftovers. All they had to do was trust in HIS supply daily. He will indeed provide, He said NOT to worry about your life! God bless🙂

            • **Thumbs up on pure faith here.. We agree and love the gentle touch of sharing this insight for others as well….🙂 :}

          • it is possible that the famine is not physical x
            it is possible that the famine is of lack of spiritual nourishment
            that pollution is of lack of compassion
            that war is lack of love
            that death is lack of faith

            whther ones physical body suffers from lack of food .. i dont think this is the point.. though of course, we see around us..

            emptyness from lack of nourishment
            self hate and abuse from lack of compassion
            war and bigotry from lack of love
            sparation from hope, from lack of faith

            love all, no matter who, how what, as well as yourself and that whicjh is greater, and no garden can blossom more beautifully xxx

            • Nicely stated!

            • Wow…….AWESOME!!!! Very insightful, intelligen, spiritual……and we connect to this symbolism as well…..🙂 :]. Well spoken and interpreted :):)

              • Natural from OT points to the Spiritual. However, as long as you are in this world in your flesh and blood bodies there will be some natural things to deal with. For instance when Jesus said to go get a certain fish, open it’s mouth and take the two coins and pay both of their taxes. It would be foolish to go on a road trip without a properly aired up spare tire.We don’t go and buy umbrellas and raincoats after the storm. The manna in the desert story of faith is about trusting God as your source. Sometimes he provides the raincoats, umbrellas , spare tires and wisdom to acquire them. Other times, he’ll show you how to get by or bring something your way. He has shown me and 2 friends the identical things about 20 years ago which are now occurring. All of us saw ourselves helping others who were terrified and we were giving them things that we had like water bottles, jackets,. Fuel was controlled by the government / military (blue uniforms). Point is to be led of the Spirit.

    • Could also mean: but don’t touch those anointed (olive) by the holy spirit (wine) too. Which will include Orthodox Jews who quietly believe in Yeshua too, of which my husband is one. And I think you will find there are HEAPS more than what we may think like (hidden treasures).

    • Oil is Petro…simple, the food things are already spoken to “measure of wheat…”
      The wine, is Medicinal, as it was used for many medicinal purposes.
      It was also mixed with herbs and potions by soothsayers and witches.
      And was referred to as Witchcraft in some texts.
      But the word “Pharmakia” is greek for Phamacuetical.
      Today it was announced the the USA gov. would protect “Big Pharmanceutical companies from law suits. see troop withdrwawl stock pileing heroin Afghanistan.

    • God does not have a church. He has one nation ppl called Israel. He has no denominations, church building, etc. So, therefore, in scripture we’d better look up the greek word used for church. It’s a called out ppl. It’s complimentary hebrew word is also a called out separated ppl of God. That first called out congregation is the nation ppl of “children of Israel”. If you are born again then you are Abrahams seed and he doesn’t have spiritual seed. Seed is a physical person. We are part of Israel and not a christian church so therefore your paradigm needs to change. You constantly group jews and the church as different and the jews are Israel. Actually, most christians are N. Israel and we walk in paganistic traditions as our foreparents did and were divorced and punished for. God has 1 ppl, 1 nation, 1 land, 1 faith, and not christians or the church. Until you get this straight you keep misleading ppl into and in remaining in wrong beliefs and they fail to accept that we are ISRAEL and we are required to keep ALL his commandments and feasts which he says are his and not the JEWS.

      • Thislittlelightofmi, you are so right. So much focus is on the Jews as good separate people that we lose who we are as Israel. Thanks for pointing this out. Blessings.

  2. Wonderful.🙂 Brings hope to many that are willing to hear.❤

    Oil- The Holy Spirit
    Wine-Blood

    and

    Oil-Israel- The Spirit of the Law
    Wine-Born Again Christians- The Holy Spirit

    Just from studying what I have for the past few years. Your take lines up with the manifold meaning in God's Word and with both of these. Not changed, but renewed and revealed. Thoughts?

    • hi Lisa

      You are asking a broad question. Can you be more specific?

      • Not really asking a question, just contemplating what I have read, what I have thought and what you have written. I think that it seems to coincide. Like it stayed the same AND shifted at the same time. Maybe that was my question. Hmm.. Going to have to think about this again and re-post question. My kids are really antsy and need some activity.🙂

  3. A better interpretation than I’ve heard. One interpretation which I now would say
    is wrong is that the “oil” and “wine” represent the elites, who will try to preserve themselves underground (so we are told) but will fail in this. No, this is instructions as to who should be protected, not who should try and fail to protect themselves.

    i hope the “wine” will go to Heaven in the rapture, where Jesus says he will drink wine
    with his followers for the first time since the Last Supper, when they are assembled in the Kingdom. The “oil” would not be raptured but would be protected even if they have to flee. This would obviously be those Jews who try to follow HaShem’s bidding rather than simply labeling themselves Jews. It’s nearly impossible to follow His bidding, as we know, and may these earnest seekers find Messiah quickly, to finally be the right sacrifice.

  4. I think you are right Marianne, plus the first miracle done by Jesus was turning water into wine, wine is a simble of the Holy Spirit, and in the famous song of hotel California said “we don’t sell this here Spirit since 1969” because the ocult practices done in the hotel in 1969, in the book of Paola Price, the Prophetic Dictionary the explanation of the word wine is 2 pages.And oil is the essence of the plant, that why in aromatherapy the call essencials oils

  5. Marianne

    A question: Are we as believer’s in Mashiach to prepare in a physical and monetary manner as well as spiritually? I pose this question, because as you know, I believe we will go through Jacob’s time of trouble (less 10 days). The implication being that those who make no physical preparations, expect to be taken care of even as Elijah was during the famine. It is an important question and misjudging these things could possibly be catastrophic for some, given that many believe we are on the brink of the tribulation. I would be interested in yours and anyone else’s thoughts. I will share my thoughts on all of this as a response.

  6. Ashupert2, the opinions on whether to store food and water, etc., vary, and are held by people who have good arguments on both sides. i have tended to believe Stan Deyo and store food and water, but I don’t have enough for years. I have enough for a few months. The water is the hard part, because even if you have a gizmo that purifies bad water, you may not have ANY water source if the local water district fails or your stream dries up. I am not sure what to believe, but I expect that we Christians will be taken out not far into the tribulation, if not prior to it, and that if we are NOT taken out, many of us will die anyway, which is another way to be taken out.

    I admire those who trust God to preserve them through the tribulation, who will not store food. The problem I see here, though, is that the Enemy is clever and vicious.
    He may squash you whether or not you have food and water and ammunition. His
    ammunition is probably a tad more powerful than yours, both his firepower and his
    psychological power. That is why I feel God will take us out–not just because we might starve or be shot, but because our minds are in grave danger of contamination by the powers of the NWO. Read 1984 and Brave New World, among the classics which predicted how the NWO would manipulate our minds. They are already doing so. It will get much worse, if the trib is worse than what we have now!

    True, Holy Spirit can protect you even from this!

    There WILL be some good people present in the trib, mostly people who came to Christ through witnessing the rapture plus Jews who accept their Messiah at this time.
    There will be plenty of people around to help convert the unsaved. Your further
    suffering in the trib is not really necessary to this process. You have probably already contributed a lot to this process. I know I have, at great cost to me, and with a lot of suffering. I feel suffering time for the Church will end soon, but I don’t have a date.
    Some think there will be a horrible ten days (you mention ten days, but in a different context) that we will have to live through after the trib starts, before the rapture.

    Hang on, God will decide FOR you. To have a little food and water in the closet is handy even if you are not here for years. Even in short term crises which will arise.

  7. It seems that you do not know if God will take care of you if you are left behind. I do not
    think we know if He wants us to take charge of our preparations. So I have about 3 months of food and water, not the years and years of food, water, and ammunition which some have. I think having ammunition would only put off one’s inevitable demise, in the “natural”, because the Enemy has strong psychological warfare methods than you have even heard of. As in 1984 the novel, or Brave New World, only more advanced than that.
    I do not think God will leave us here because of this psychological threat. If it were just a physical threat, maybe, but your mind, soul, spirit are threatened by the Enemy. But if you really do trust God to provide, why have food and water stores?

    Because I don’t know His mind on this, I have compromised and have enough for a short emergency. I used my candles the other night in an electrical shutdown. I was glad I had prepared for that.

    • Mariel and Ashupert

      Mariel – I was not sure if you were directing that comment to me or not:

      It seems that you do not know if God will take care of you if you are left behind. I do not think we know if He wants us to take charge of our preparations.

      but in my view, a little worldly wisdom is good, and a lot of faith is better.

      Mariel and Ashupert:

      There have been times when the faithful, example, Joseph in Egypt, were told to prepare for a famine in a physical way. Other times, example, Elisha after the Baal test, was completely unprepared, and God sent birds to feed him.

      My main concern is to understand what God may have me do, and then do it. God is aware that many are unable to prepare, and others are.

      We are still in this world, and every day there are emergencies that cause shortages, like hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, earthquakes, etc.

      And the rapture has not happened yet. So being prepared as best we can is just wisdom. Storing food is wise anyhow because the prices always go up, not down.

      So, physical preparation is a wise thing, and we do what we can. If we do not need the supplies, someone left behind will need them, so they are not wasted.

      God will step in and help when we are unable to do it ourselves, so I am not worried.

  8. Good thoughts, Marianne. And, seemingly, the oil and wine are under divine protection. Physical survival has never been the point. I like Paul’s view…’ Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.’

  9. Ashupert2, I believe the food and drink we believe to have been gained by our own hand is actually from the hand of God. Health, intelligence, opportunity for income…all are gifts from God. Except for his continued mercies and gifts we would all be destitute. It is by His ‘increase’ that all the world’s gardens, fruits orchards, and cattle grows. The Hand that formed all things holds us in the Palm. Manna is no more unusual than the other magnificent gifts of sustanence. Heard of a child who was under water and totally deprived of oxygen for twenty minutes and is fine. Before my sister-in-law died, she went six full weeks without any water or food intake. She was never hungry nor thirsty. Life is amazing, miraculous, and beyond comprehension.

    Luke 9:3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.

    Luke 11:3 Give us day by day our daily bread.

    Matt 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

    Matt 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

    It is our Father who has provided for us all the years of our life. He will never leave us nor forsake us. Revelations says those who refuse the mark of the beast cannot buy nor sell. But not being able to buy or sell does not pluck us from the Hand of God’s provision…whether we live or whether we die.

    Maybe some question should be, ‘Can we trust our Father for ‘all these things shall be added unto you’?’

  10. The traditional interpretation is that the angels of these troubles are not to harm the very wealthy. The ruling classes will not be harmed by these tribulations.

    Certainly these families and individuals are buying up land in mountains and preparing to live well in case of collapse. Maybe THEY believe it!

    Oil and wine in Scripture are symbols for the very well off and rulers.

    Personally, I’m too democratic a soul to see a total collapse of America…there is much good here and we aren’t nearly as used to entitlements from anybody as Europeans. They will really have trouble with the generation coming of age now, so used to the government underwriting their sex lives and beer. That generation has really been betrayed by their elders, who will reap a whirlwind.

  11. I personally believe we will be here on this earth for the greatest part of the time of Jacob’s Trouble. The 10 days I refer to is the time between Yom Teruah and Yom Kippur. But that is for a different post. I believe we are to do the smart and wise things while still on this earth, which means to be prepared. Yah never expects us to sit back and do nothing unless we have been so directed or are totally unable to. Considering what is coming, spoken of as a time the world has never experienced before, we are to be as prepared as is reasonable ( understanding there is only so much we can do), for our families and those who will need help. A good analogy to this is how Yah provides for us now. He gives us the seed and we plant it; He brings the rain and gives the sunlight; we weed and turn the soil and harvest the crop. After everything is said and done, He has provided all, but we are definitely involved to the nth degree. No one can really be fully prepared for what is coming, outside of full faith in the one who created us and is coming back for us. But that does not negate our responsibilities.

    It is telling that Yah has made provision for the wine and the oil during the time of Jacob’s trouble:

    The Olive Harvest consists of the living righteous who are converted by Ruach HaKodesh.

    The Grape Harvest. Consists of those who have been martyred for their faith.

    These two groups of believers will walk in obedience to the Father and will walk in righteousness before Him. Church standing and religious affiliations will mean nothing. No one will complacently enter into this period of time and be able to walk and endure the onslaught without the fullness of the Spirit of Yah within them. If we are not walking by faith before this starts we will most likely not endure the deception and the travail that we will be confronted with. My concern is for the well meaning people who have been taught to do the repeat after me prayer and that once you have done that, you are complete, that we will be out of here before the fireworks start. Sometimes I think we have talked about this so much we have lost our edge on all of this and have kind of a “no problem” attitude. That does not serve those who are reading and listening to all of this very well and probably does not work for us all that well either.

    These two groups of believer’s are not in the raw form of olives and grapes. They have been crushed and refined into the wine and the oil. Basically having died to the flesh and walking in the Spirit, with Yahshua saying the same thing in Matthew 7;

    Matthew 7:13-14
    Amplified Bible (AMP)

    13Enter through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and spacious and broad is the way that leads away to destruction, and many are those who are entering through it.
    14But the gate is narrow (contracted [a]by pressure) and the way is straitened and compressed that leads away to life, and few are those who find it.

    Zephaniah 1:14-18
    King James Version (KJV)

    14The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
    15That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
    16A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
    17And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
    18Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD’s wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

    Zephaniah 2

    1Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;
    2Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD’s anger come upon you.
    3Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD’s anger.

    My desire and intent is to prepare myself both spiritually and physically through prayer and fasting and practical means of preparation, all the while reaching out to those of my family and those I come in contact with. To be found by my Father doing His work right up to the end, be it helping someone spiritually or with daily sustenance.

    • “See that thou hurt not this wine and oil.” “Don’t you touch that.” Now, oil –symbolizes the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.
      Scriptures in Lev. 8:12, where Aaron, before he went in had to be anointed with oil, you know; and–and Zech. 4:12, of oil coming, pouring through the pipes and said, “This is My Spirit,” oil. Another thing, if you want to see Matt. 25:1-13) the foolish virgin had no oil, no Spirit. But the wise virgin had oil in her lamps, Spirit-filled. Spirit… Oil typifies the Spirit. Must be born of the Spirit
      Satan’s spirit is no match for the Holy Spirit – Without the Holy spirit you can never be Holy – or Understand the Washing of the Water of TRUTH

      Now, oil typifies Spirit, and wine symbolizes stimulation of revelation. . See? Oil and wine in the Bible is associated together always. I got the concordance and looked, and there’s a string of them that like–like that, where wine and oil goes together all the time. See?

      When the truth of a promised Word of God has been truly revealed to His saints that’s filled with oil, they all get stimulated. Wine is a stimulation. And when it does, it has the same effect upon them that–that wine does upon a natural man; because when the revelation has been given of a truth of God, and the true believer filled with oil, and the revelation is revealed, the stimulation becomes so great that it makes him want to Praise God and brings joy of another Mystery of God revealed to your Soul.

      Jesus is saying My oil and wine is of the pure Word Bride of Christ. They are hungering and thirsting for the true Bread of Eternal Life that comes by the Spirit of Revelation.
      The famine is raging today for the True Bread of Life = Wheat & Barley makes Bread. Denominations that rule most of America are selling it to you with their begging schemes etc. Want to keep you in your dead creeds and traditions of man. But the Virgins with the Oil and Wine will not fall for the scheme’s of man. And soon the Door will be Shut – Bro. York

      • good analysis also!

      • Bro Tom,

        I appreciate your input into the conversation. I have not seen this aspect of the oil and wine together before, but makes a lot of sense. I do understand that there are different levels of interpretation in scripture. The Word is deep and holds many treasures to be sought out. I do believe that the spring, summer, and fall harvests are alluding to the harvests of believer’s that will be presented to the Father, all believers in the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. In other words, all of Yisrael, be they ethnic Jews or non-ethnic Gentiles. Having Ruach HaKodesh without revelation knowledge is to be uninstructed and walking blindly. I do see its application here. You stated it very well.

        The scripture reference we are discussing here, is speaking (at least in physical terms) of what we call today, hyper-inflation. It alludes to there being a shortage of food and basic sustenance which will drive the price through the ceiling, preventing the vast majority from having access to what they need, and intensified by the devaluation of all paper (fiat) currencies. There will be food, but in the natural order of things, will be hard to come by. I do believe the scripture is alluding to the fact that Yah will take care of “His people” (a defining term) on a basic level of sustenance.

        You took what I was talking about in my post, and explained it further when you talked about revelation knowledge. Having the Ruach HaKodesh empowers us to be overcomers in this life. Revelation knowledge shows us the path we are to walk. One without the other is to leave us a drift without either, the power or understanding in what we are to do and be. It brings to mind the scripture, “my people perish for a lack of knowledge”. It is that which holds us fast to what we believe in our spirit and is not just head knowledge. Without out this, people will not be willing to die for what they say they believe. I have heard it said that there will also be a famine for the Word in the time of Jacob’s trouble. When Elijah comes, may we have the ears to hear and believe and the power to walk in the revelation he brings.

        Good post Tom!!!

    • good point, about the grapes and olives being crushed.

  12. Folks are reading too much into this. Read the verse in context.
    Oil and wine represents the foods of the wealthy class. This verse is saying that the during the tribulation the rich with continue to be able to purchase the best foods while the rest of us starve.

    Mary Kay
    http://www.spiritwars.net

    • Mary Kay

      Why would you think God would protect the wealthy, and not the righteous?

    • Honestly, I have NEVER ever had the inclination that the oil and wine represents the foods of the wealthy class. Ever. If we go by the teachings of the LORD, He very well makes note that the “traditions” of men are a highway to hell. Traditions are traditions. Look at what happened when traditions were strictly followed and interpreted by men? When Jesus came, they didn’t even notice Him. But greater is HE!! He knows the beginning to the end and we should praise and THANK Him for it!!

      Now, back to the oil and the wine. Purchasing foods etc… so what? The Spirit is of the Spirit. God’s Kingdom is not of this world. And while those that are His are in the world, they are still not OF the world. God DOES provide. At least for me. I am living proof. So are my sons. He is teaching me to trust Him. I have asked Him to. I came to my wilderness. I repented and He is now cleaning me out, bringing me into a right relationship with Him. Is it immediate? No. Because of the worldly nature. However He IS cleaning that out too! Praise HIM!!

      God DOES protect the righteous by far. Yet His ways are far far higher than our ways. His thoughts far far higher than our thoughts. In ALL ways The LORD will make the path for the righteous clear. But to those that are of the world, the world will be their treasure. And thus there will there spirit be. I am not righteous. But HE is righteous. And HE lives IN me. The righteousness of Christ lives in me and all those who follow Him. Even in the trib HE will care for His own. Whether through physical life or death. He knows what is best for the soul. The forever part of us.

      Jesus warned to “be careful of what spirit you are of.” Only a Holy Spirit led person will understand, apply and KNOW the Word. To all else it is a stumbling block.

      I truly believe that this is another tool to weed out the tares. Just a thought. I’d rather save my desert for later than have it now and spoil the dinner.😉 May the LORD God Almighty bless you all in this lesson. Loving the study and the information.❤

  13. Yes, Marilyn, I agree with your interpretation…Also, after thinking about the prophecy to store food and water, I believe too many of us began to think of the best way for US to survive the Tribulation via tangible, material things, such as food and water, instead of how we can use these materials to feed OTHERS. I, like many, took my eye off Yeshua’s message of assisting others and centered on myself. The greatest error we can make is to hoard materials for ourselves and neglect a starving world…In addition, The Book of Exodus describes how The Lord destroyed Egypt’s food and water because of their disobedience to His message. I’m sure Egyptians saw that Moses had some sort of power and began to store foodstuffs only to find these materials permeated with worms, flies and locusts. Go with God everyone.

    • Beautiful! God is SO good!! Never leave open a hole in the hedge. The enemy has the right to attack us there. Praise The LORD that He has made that way where there is no way. Thank HIM for His submissive teaching, sacrifice, conquering and LOVE for all those that listen. Even to those that don’t. Pray for a renewed fire to be started with in all of our souls. A fire of HIS Spirit with in the members that He knows will follow His lead.

  14. Lastly, Marilyn, many people don’t have internet access or have never used a computer…Is there a way to begin circulating a Heavenawaits newsletter…Heavenawaits is full of vital information and Biblical interpretations that needs to be shared with as many people as we can reach. I’m sure many of us will assist you in any way I can. God Bless you.

    • dear G. Levine

      A newsletter would be a great idea…but the problem are (1) how to identify those without internet and (2) the vast population and their distribution over all the earth.

      The only way i can think is for individuals to locally do this. Just copy from the website and paste into word documents and print copies. One would have to adjust the font colors for white paper, so that it is readable.

      Interestingly enough, I started out making booklets for local distribution before I went to the web, and I could not get the pastors from local churches to take me seriously. I had even purchased a double sided printer to make the booklets.

      This is something for just an average handout at the local Walmart, but even that is regulated, and you have to get permission for the distribution on their property.

      I do not mind people sharing this, as long as they do not make money off of my efforts. I give this out free, out of the love of God, so as freely given, freely give.

  15. wanted to tell people to look at the dates on the dried food thy are going to buy for later use a friend of mine want to buy some and looked at the dates on the cans thy were trying to sell what was left over from y2k for the same price

  16. The WISE virgins had EXTRA oil, the lights from their lamps could not shine without it! The FOOLISH had no oil left, there was no more light in them.
    I believe that OIL is the GOOD oil, or INFORMATION from God’s Word that is RELEVANT for the time it is given.
    Ps.119:105. Thy word [is] a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
    Isa.8:20. To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

    [Mark 7:7] Matt.15:9. But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
    Most of Christianity observe Christmas and Easter, which are PAGAN festivals, and they neglect searching God’s word for RELEVANT information concerning the times we are living in, and in so doing, SHINE their lights on the coming events that are prophesied on the Lord’s return.

    Jesus said – John 15:5. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
    Jesus is God’s WORD, if He is the VINE, and Christianity is the BRANCHES, we are individually bringing forth much FRUIT which will make the WINE.
    In the TIME when “BREAD” is hard to come by, …the OIL (Info.) and WINE (Fruit of the VINE) will NOT be HURT (hard to come by – by the Internet and other means of Information availability)
    [Luke 4:4] Matt.4:4. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

    The CHOSEN will be taken 1,335 after the commencement of the LAST Seven years – the CHOSEN is the WIFE (Bride). God’s Children are the MULTITUDE that No man could number.

    Dan.12:12. Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
    The Bride is WAITING and …EXPECTING Jesus.
    Rev.12:2. And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

    Rev.7:3. Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
    That is the 144,000 sealed VIRGIN Bride.
    The Bride is redeemed – earlier.
    Rev.14:4. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

    These are taken to HEAVEN – as in John 14:4 …(1-4-4)
    as in …Revelation 14:4 … (1-4-4)

    They DWELL in heaven in the time that the NWO is ruling.
    Rev.13:6. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL in heaven.

  17. Marianne when I think of the wine and the oil these are my immediate thoughts.

    If the word was with God and the word is God, the word can never die. He is not a man that he should pass from this life unto death, nor shall any word die because he is not a man and cannot lie.

    Jesus said drink the wine in remembrance of him. The new wine is taken by faith, as a symbol of his blood, which paid it all. Why? The word in the Old Testament says “the Life” is in the blood. We are told not to take the blood in drinking or eating of uncooked animal flesh, because it contains the life. His blood coming from him made it the perfect sacrifice and with it, it can do all things. The blood of Jesus is used to cleanse our sins upon repenting. It acts as a shield a covering a barrier. Jesus blood was carried and put upon the mercy seat, so when grace is extended to us from a sin the blood cleanse our impurity and puts us back as if we never sinned or had a spot or blemish upon our soul.
    Thank you Jesus that you paid it all.

    We are to take the wine as oft as is necessary to keep remembrance of him and the blood bought covenant that Jesus Christ paid our price. When we receive and accept him and what he did, we are baptized symbolizing our death with him and our resurrection through him, His sprit flows from the blood, it life. So if we are to endure tribulation then also. Just as we are to pray and read the word if we have it or by remembering of the word. He told the Jewish children to write it upon their arms. The wine is healing but the word says in 1 Corinthians 11:20 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks the Lord’s cup in a manner unworthy of the Lord will be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.

    So drink the life that the Lord remains with you physically and mentally.

    The oil is used for healing, we are taught to anoint ourselves in fasting, during trials, for dedications of babies, for the dedication of a minister to the service of the Lord. The Jews in the Old Testament poured the holy oil on the head of the one who was made king of Israel, i.e. David. The oil is used to dedicate something to God, it is most importantly to us the Gentiles used as an instrument by faith to anoint the body as the Holy Temple. It is used to cover the doorpost of a new home, by consecrating it in claim to be a house of God. This is done as much as in the remembrance that the Jews were commanded to put the blood upon the door post and the lintel to cause the death angel to pass by. It is therefore used with prayer to remove demonic forces from anything. The oil is the Holy Spirit, when it is applied he shows up.

    I pray that I will always be covered by the blood of Jesus, where would I be with out it. Greater is he who is in me than he who is in the world. My God is not wood, hay or stubble. God said all other Gods are dung, that settles it for me.

    Be Blessed

  18. Rev.6:5. And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
    6. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou HURT NOT the oil and the wine.

    I believe that there are SEVEN years in the END. There are other PRECEDENTS that are recorded in God’s Word for our BENEFIT, to see what is in store for the unseen FUTURE.

    Col.2:16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyDAY, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [DAYs]:
    17. Which are a SHADOW of THINGS TO COME; but the body [is] of Christ.
    These verses say that whatever has been instituted, were a SHADOW, or PRECEDENTS of Future events, but the overall picture [body] is all to do with JESUS [Christ] and his plan of Salvation to UNITE us as a family as originally planned in Eden.

    The LAST seven years is depicted in Rev.11:2,3. …
    2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.
    3. And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED [and] THREESCORE days, clothed in sackcloth.

    We see that after the GENTILE period fulfillment when Jerusalem was no longer trodden down by the GENTILES the COURT (Diaspora) – [for the gentiles] was not MEASURED!

    Luke 21:24. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, UNTIL the times of the Gentiles be FULFILLED.

    We see that the 7 year COUNT-DOWN is given as MONTHS (42), then getting closer to the final day, it is given in DAYS (1,260)

    THE OIL
    Christ’s BRIDE is the 144,000 and is referred to as the ELECT.
    The GROOM chooses [elects] who He marries.
    The BRIDE (5 Wise virgins), these have the OIL. [to let the light shine]

    THE WINE
    The BRIDE is …BRANCHES …Connected to the VINE [Jesus], and produce [bear] FRUIT of grapes [made into WINE]

    John 15:4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
    5. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

    In the last SEVEN years the ELECT [Oil and Wine] are taken AWAY earlier!
    Matt.24:22 …and Mark 13:20. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

    The ELECT, or CHOSEN, will need to wait- [waiteth] ONLY 1335 days!
    That will be JUST OVER half way the 7 years! … in the 4th year/(Seal)

    Daniel 12:12. Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

    The FOOLISH 5 Virgins were told to BUY extra OIL [NOT Holy Spirit!], but God,s WORD!
    Psalms 119:105. NUN. Thy word [is] a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

    The Wedding FEAST was CLOSED to them, …because they had no EXTRA light on the facts of the RETURN agenda, so they could not shine their light on the return of the GROOM.

    The foolish 5 Virgins expected the Groom, but were not that interested in the MARRIAGE!
    Luke 14:18. And they all with one [consent] began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
    19. And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
    20. And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

    These would MISS OUT on the WEDDING!
    Luke 14:24. For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

    A word of advice for those who miss out! …

    Luke 12:36. And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will RETURN from the WEDDING; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

    • Hi Olaf,

      Above you say, “Christ’s BRIDE is the 144,000 and is referred to as the ELECT.”

      I would be interested in hearing as to how you arrived at that conclusion?
      Do you happen to be a J.W.?

      Be Blessed

  19. Sorry Alienated!I am a Christian who follows Christ, NOT an Organization!
    I am of the opinion that Organizations who ALTER the WORD of JHWH are false teachers. It also includes Joseph Smith’s Morman teachings. (LDS)

    Rev.14:3. And they sung as it were a NEW song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN could learn that song BUT the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

    Notice that the 144000 sing a NEW song, and WERE (past tense) redeemed from the EARTH. These are the BRIDE who attend the WEDDING, whereas the HOST who go through Tribulation sing the SONG of MOSES – (One of the witnesses) who guide the human populations to see the truth.

    Rev.15:3. And they sing the SONG of MOSES the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous [are] thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] thy ways, thou King of saints.

    NOTICE … KING of Saints! … The Coronation.

    The PRECEDENCE to the LAST 7 years, is the 3+ 1/2 years of Jesus’ ministry, where Jesus’ FIRST function was turning WATER to WINE.
    His LAST public function was the MULTITUDES who followed Him into Jerusalem on a DONKEY (Palm Sunday) to CROWN Jesus as their KING.

    In the last 3+ 1/2 years, we have a WEDDING (Some call it RAPTURE), …then we have the CORONATION.

    We see the 144000 SEALED, … AND … AFTER this… (Tribulation) …
    AFTER this … the picture of those who EXPERIENCE the CORONATION.

    Rev.7:9. After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

    Notice PALMS in their hands! Palm Sunday II.

    To answer your question, …the ELECT, are the BRIDE. A GROOM chooses his BRIDE … ELECT means CHOOSE, whereas the CHILDREN are never CHOSEN, …are they? The bride FOLLOWS her Husband?

    Rev.14:4. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which FOLLOW the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

    The above is the BRIDE/virgins, and after the WEDDING comes the Children don’t they?

  20. MONDAY, 12 SEPTEMBER 2011

    Do not hurt the oil and the wine
    An orthodox Christian is talking about the oil and wine and Christ told his followers not to hurt it.

    “A quart of wheat for a day’s wages, and three quarts of barley for a days wages, and do not hurt the oil and the wine.” Rev 6:6.

    Rev 6 is also about the famine and we have talking about the famine recently. As we know it is Messiah Joseph that helps people to avoid the famine.

    So what is the wine to do with? The Jewish people know full well that the wine is to with the Sun of Righteousness with healing in its rays. The spiritual alchemist that Prophet Malachi predicted would come in this timeline. Hence, why Jewish people pour out a glass of wine for Elijah at the table, and leave a place setting for when they arrive. The Christians write that Elijah is taken care of during the famine, that is certainly good to hear.

    Red wine is also symbolic of blood that is also symbolic of life. Rumi wrote a poem about the white wine of the mystic that is pure without dregs, and how they are given the most amazing names.

    So why is Jesus telling the people ‘not to hurt the wine’, he is telling them not to hurt the mystics and the one that the LORD God sent to help the people. He also warned his followers that if they stood against the Son of Man they would be forgiven, but if they stood against the Holy Spirit they would not be forgiven.

    So what does the oil have to do with? The parable of the Virgins is about the difference between the wise and the foolish virgins and it mentions the oil. Who are the wise Virgins? Those that stand with wisdom who was sent to do the count in Rev 13. Wisdom = Sophia. Christ told his followers that wisdom would be proven right by her actions, and the Dead Sea Scrolls spoke of her as well.

    Christ also told them that the Queen of South would have more wisdom than solomon and that judgement would begin when the sign of Jonah turned up in Israel. The whale arrived in May 2010.

    The Parable of the Ten Virgins

    “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish and five were wise. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep. “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

    “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’ ” ‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’ “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

    “Later the others also came. ‘Sir! Sir!’ they said. ‘Open the door for us!’ “But he replied, ‘I tell you the truth, I don’t know you.’

    “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

    In this link we provided some commentary on the parable and it explains that the oil is to do with the word of God. The new oil is also to do with his new words. [1] In the parable the foolish virgins have to purchase the oil because they did not receive it in time. The wheat and barley is also interesting symbology because it was in 2009 that the LORD God asked me to bring the wheat into his barn. That is when I began to do the interpretations of the crop circles. He as also spoken about the barley and barley is very good for people.

    In fact, it is delicious, the barley is symbolic of the pearls of wisdom. My view is that the foolish virgins have to pay for the help that they are given, and that would align with the tithes and offerings mentioned by Prophet Malachi for the sun of righteousness that is Messiah Joseph-Sophia.

    So when the verse says that they must not hurt the oil, it means that they must stand against the ones that LORD God as sent to help them and the word that they deliver.

    I hope that makes sense.

    ELIAKIM JOSEPH-SOPHIA

    http://academysounds.blogspot.com/2009/07/parable-of-virgins-bride-of-christ.html

    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/dont-hurt-the-oil-and-wine/

  21. So when the verse says that they must not hurt the oil, it means that they must not stand against the ones that LORD God as sent to help them and the word that they deliver.

    In the parable of the Virgins it gives a 50% figure and in the Gospel of Thomas he said there would be two people on a bed one would be taken and would be left. In 2008, Michael who is mentioned in the book of Daniel, and I were on the same bed. In 2010, Michael died. One was taken and the other left.

    There is also a passage about the people being in the fields and one taken and one left. This indicates that 50% of the Christians were wise to follow the spiritual path of wisdom because the field also relates to consciousness and its state of consciousness.

    So you can understand that the ones he left behind were the Christian orthodox, because they simple would move with the times. They did not understand the timeline, they were not in the right place at the right time.
    http://academysounds.blogspot.com/2011/09/do-not-hurt-oil-and-wine.html

    The biblical prophecies also predicted that the LORD God would not give his glory to another and those that worship idols would not be saved by those that they idolized. Christian orthodox idolized the Son of God and that is why they missed the opportunity to be selected from the bed and field.

    We warned many Christians in America from 2007 but they refused to listen to the word of the LORD God.

    This is the timeline now about gathering those that originated from the middle east. This is the timeline of saving the house of Judah and Joseph.

  22. Eliakim, I cannot regard your message as truth if you …perpetuate the lie that Satan uttered to Eve in the Garden before she was deceived.
    John 11:-10. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

    For God said:-

    Gen.2:17. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou SHALT surely DIE.

    But Satan said:-

    Gen.3:4. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
    5. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye SHALL BE AS GODS, knowing good and evil.

    The majority of “Christianity” believe in the AFTER-LIFE …BEFORE the Resurrection! …This is a PAGAN idea!
    Jesus DID NOT go to heaven …even at the MOMENT he rose from the dead!

    John 20:17. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am NOT yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

    Even King David was NOT in HEAVEN in the time when Acts was recorded!

    Acts 2:27. Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
    28. Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
    29. Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both DEAD and BURIED, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
    30. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would RAISE UP Christ to sit on his throne;
    31. He seeing this before spake of the RESURRECTION of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

    Hell is HADES, a place where our BODIES lie and DECOMPOSE!

    There is not enough space on this site to warrant a thorough explanation on the subject of the “Soul”, but the use of only ONE Parable that Jesus told of Lazarus …is the ONLY basis for that argument of a SOUL that cannot DIE!

    The REAL (NOT a fictitious parable … or fable) Lazarus:- …

    John 11:11. These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
    12. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
    13. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in SLEEP.
    14. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is DEAD.

    John 11:23. Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother SHALL rise again.
    24. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the RESURRECTION at the LAST DAY.
    25. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, THOUGH he WERE dead, yet shall he live:

    The NEXT verse is a little confusing for those who believe in the IMMORTALITY of the SOUL.

    John 11:26. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me SHALL NEVER DIE. Believest thou this?

    • Hi Olaf,

      Above you make the following statement, “The majority of “Christianity” believe in the AFTER-LIFE …BEFORE the Resurrection! …This is a PAGAN idea!”

      With that are you stating, that you don’t believe that the “spirit” of a believer ascends to heaven when they die?

      If that is correct, I also happened to hold that same belief for years. However in doing some study on a completely different topic, I believe that God perhaps showed me a contrary alternative to that belief.

      Care to discuss it?

      Be Blessed.

  23. Hi Alienated,
    I would gladly discuss the topic, as the Bible clearly states that:-
    Gen.2;7. And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man BECAME a LIVING soul.

    Without that LIVING “Soul” man is just a lump of DEAD … MEAT!
    It is this “SOUL” that operates the individual and makes him unique. Each of us are not robots and do not have the same characteristics as any other person. This “SOUL” is the “LIFE” JHWH has given us, which He just takes back when we EXPIRE.
    There are 4 MENTIONED as going to “Heaven” that were made in GOD’s Image. These are Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus.

    Gen.5:24. And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.
    He was TAKEN, He did not DIE!

    Luke 9:30. And, behold, there talked with him TWO men, which were Moses and Elias:

    Elijah was TAKEN, he did not DIE! …He went up …INTO heaven.
    2 Kings 2:11. And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind INTO HEAVEN.

    Moses DIED! Later he was RAISED to go to heaven.
    Jude 1:9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the BODY of MOSES, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

    You see, It was a BODY, or in other words a LIVING “SOUL” that MOSES got back when he was made alive again to comfort Jesus before He sacrificed Himself for man’s salvation.

    Do you have a special interpretation for the following:- ?
    Eccl.9:5. For the living KNOW that they shall die: but the dead KNOW NOT ANYTHING, neither have they ANYMORE A REWARD; for the MEMORY of them is forgotten.

    Does that say all those “Souls” supposedly in heaven have Alzheimers Syndrome when they strum their harps? (with no MEMORY)

    Up to NOW, I have NOT seen ANY of my loved ones come back and say that they are enjoying their life of bliss!
    I only fear for those who are visited by the Evil one and his followers, appearing as (an Apparition of) a deceased person and perpetuating the Lies of …the existence of an eternal SOUL.

    Prov. 29:12. If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants [are] wicked.

    John 6:39. And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should RAISE it up again AT THE LAST DAY.
    Jesus NEVER mentioned about any SOUL going to heaven when the “Body” dies.

    Ezek 18:4. Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the SOUL that SINNETH, it shall DIE
    Does this say that the SOUL has everlasting life?

    I can keep quoting other passages, but I don’t want to “Hog” Marianne’s site. You may continue on … my name…@yahoo.co.au
    I am open to other ideas only if God’s Word is used as authority to prove a fact.

    • Hi Olaf,

      It is a shame that you don’t appear to possess a sense of humor at all. lol 🙂

      I appreciate it actually.

      In reading what you wrote above, it reminded me of myself a year ago. For almost 40 years I had held to that same belief and had compiled an extensive amount of material, (including both Hebrew and Greek definitions for specific words and phrases), in which I believed substantiated it. Given the opportunity I would gladly hop up upon a soap box and deliver this information to others. Looking back, I wish I hadn’t been quite so confident, or quite so vociferous.

      Though satisfied myself that this premise that you still believe in was indeed a truth at the time, it did in itself, present a stumbling block for other aspects of study.

      I was now left with what I believe to be a preconceived error rooted deeply within my psyche as being a truth, and therefore would now have to take any further study, and apply my interpretation to fit accordingly to that preconceived error. What happens when utilizing this methodology is that in actuality, we attempt to then conform the Word of God to fit our beliefs, rather than it being the other way around.

      Any way’s, I am more than familiar with the scripture that you have provided above to support your view. However, what we must first take into consideration, would be the significance of the New Covenant, and some of the distinguishing characteristics between it and the Old.

      Prior to Yeshua’s death on the cross the Old Covenant and Law, was still in effect. (Hebrews 9:16. & Galatians 4:4,5.) Therefore, (other than those four individuals that you have mentioned above), no one could be deemed righteous enough to ascend to heaven. However when Yeshua did die, the veil (paraochet) that separated the “holy place” (Hakodesh) from the “Holy of Holies” (Kodesh Hakodashim) was torn in two from top to bottom, (Matthew 27:51. Mark 15:38. Luke 23:45) and with that, the former separation between God and man was eliminated. Yeshua Himself through His sacrificial blood, became that required righteousness in our stead.

      The Holy of Holies could only be entered once a year by the High Priest (Kohen Gadol) on Yom Kippur to make atonement for the sins of the people, (Leviticus 16) and the veil was a constant reminder that sin seperated the people from the presence of God. The tearing of the paraochet at the moment of Yeshua’s death dramatically symbolized, that by His blood sacrifice as our Kohen Gadol after the order of Malki-Tzedek, the King of Righteousness, (Hebrews 6:19 & 7: 1-28.) that the way to enter into the “Holy of Holies” and the presence of God, was now, and forever after, open to those that come to Him through Yeshua as their mediator.

      Hebrews 9:8,9. indicates that the way to the Holy of Holies was not yet accessible as long as the outer tent still stood, (ie; the Levitical priesthood as the ritualistic expression of the covenant made at Sinai), being symbolic of the present age. The present age refers to the dispensation that was passing away, even as the New Covenant
      (Brit Chadashah) was being established, (Hebrews 8:13).

      The veil was symbolic and represented Mashiach Himself. Yeshua the Messiah is the only way to the Father. (John 14:6). This is symbolized by the fact that the High Priest had to enter the Holy of Holies, “through” the veil.
      Now Yeshua is our exalted High Priest, and His is the better Priesthood. (Hebrews 7:11-28.).

      Through Him we can now enter the true Holy of Holies made without human hands, (Mark 14:58.) by means of God’s grace and love. Hebrews 10:19,20. say’s, that we enter into the true sanctuary, (of which the former was merely a shadow), by the blood of Yeshua, by the new and living way which He opened for us through the veil, or, through His “flesh”. Remember as well when Yeshua did die, and the veil was torn, that at that time a resurrection also took place. (Matthew 27:52,53.)

      So when looking at this particular subject, we have to now understand that a significant, and brand new change has occurred for the first time in creation, and that the scripture pertaining to death within the Old Covenant is not necessarily applicable for those that follow Yeshua.

      When this is understood, we would then only utilize scripture that is relevant to this topic, which is within the New Testament, or Covenant.

      However, instead of perhaps bantering back and forth regarding this, (for I am sure that you have participated within this type of debate regarding this topic before), I will instead pose a question or two for you, and I would be interested in how you would reconcile the answers, and still be able to maintain the integrity of your current, (and my past) belief.

      Whether you may or may not be a proponent of the “rapture”, it shouldn’t necessarily be an issue in how you would answer this. So, if you believe that a believer happens to “sleep” (the transliterated Greek ” Koimao” that Paul utilizes to express the state of death numerous times), and not have their “spirit” ascend to heaven upon their death, how would you interpret 1 Thessalonians 4:14?

      “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.”

      If we know from scripture that our Lord Yeshua is in heaven and that He sits at the right hand of God the Father on His throne, (Psalm 110:1. Matthew 26:64. Mark 16:19. Acts 5:31. etc. etc.) how or what “which sleep in Jesus” could He bring with Him?

      Just to reinforce that the above verse is read within its correct context, Paul previously states within 1 Thess. 3:13

      “To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.”

      So again I ask you, “Who would be “all His saints” that accompany Him from heaven, if the spirits of believers don’t ascend to heaven first?”

      Here is a proposal that I would like to bring forward, and for you, (and others) to perhaps take into consideration.
      This is what I currently believe, though it is subject to change depending upon having a logical reason to do so.

      I believe that Yeshua revealed to Paul a mystery when he was caught up to heaven, (2 Corinthians 12: 2-7) and that one of the mysteries included within the abundance of revelations that he was given, was one that included a gathering, or what we theologically refer to as the “rapture”. (2 Thessalonians 2:1. 1 Thessalonians 4:15. Galatians 1:12.)

      It is my opinion now, that when Yeshua made statements such as to what you make reference to above regarding being raised up on the “last day”, that He wasn’t referring to a resurrection that would occur on the last day immediately before establishing His Millennial Kingdom on earth, but rather the last day of the “Age of Grace” that we are currently experiencing within the New Covenant. (Like the Old, this New Covenant has a finite time frame as well.) Neither was He in making those statements, referring to a resurrection that would now give a sleeping, or unconscious believer the opportunity to once again become alive, and have life more abundant.

      This is my theory. When we die in Yeshua as believers, we immediately are in His presence in heaven.
      (2 Corinthians 5:8. Philippians 1:21-23. 1 Thessalonians 5:10.) This is the salvation and promise for those that believed in Him to have eternal life.(1 John 2:23-25.) However, this does not necessarily mean that those that have gone to heaven before us, will also be resurrected. The reason I say that, is to maintain what must be the righteous judgment of God and the continuity of that judgment.

      Having done an in depth study of the parable of the Ten Virgins in the past, (Matthew 25:1-13.) it is apparent within that parable, that a distinction will be made between believers, where some will proceed through that open door to the marriage, and others will find it shut. Some will be accounted worthy, and some will not. Whatever God’s criteria is for those to go through that door, as opposed for those who do not, must also be applied and maintained towards those that are now, (as spirits) in heaven as well.

      Yeshua in answering His disciples questions, “Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?” in Luke, after telling them specifics regarding the tribulation and end of days said, “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” (Luke 21:36.)
      This would infer that an opportunity and means of escape from the tribulation itself would be available. If you then collate this statement with those made by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11. specifically that of verse 3, “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” it would then confirm that there will be those that do “escape” and those that don’t.

      I believe that the resurrection itself is necessary for a specific purpose. That being to be able to manifest within the different realms of both spiritual, (heaven) and physical, (earthly). As redeemed spirits in heaven, the ability to manifest within these different realms is nonexistent. (Luke 16:26.) However, to be able to rule and reign with Yeshua during His Millennial Kingdom, it is a necessity for one to have the ability to be able do this.
      To be able to transform from that of spirit, to that of physical substance.

      Hence Yeshua in His response to the Sadducees, “And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.” (Luke 20:34-36.)

      Those that will be accounted worthy by God’s criteria for the resurrection, will be changed and be like the angels.
      (1 Corinthians15:40-58.) Be it those that have previously had their spirits go to heaven when they died, and will now accompany Yeshua when He comes in the clouds, or those that will be alive and living on earth at the time of this event. This then will now allow for those to rule and reign with Him.

      “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” 1 John 3:2.

      Any way’s, these are just my views. Many pieces of the puzzle fell in place for me personally when I was able to release my belief that we somehow sleep until the resurrection. I am not sure if anything that I may have said will lead you down a different path or not, or if you are simply secure within your understanding as it is?

      What is obvious though is, that we are all at a disadvantage in not having any one of the Apostles to explain it all to us personally. I pray that God considers our hearts in this matter, rather than solely relying on our ability of interpretation, because I am not sure if any of us has been revealed the complete truth.

      Be Blessed

      P.S. I just saw that you answered a question that I posed to you way back on August 29th. lol. Sorry but I didn’t catch it the first time. I will read it later and hopefully respond back to it over the weekend.

      • I Read What You Said And I Also believe When You Die Your Soul Goes To Be With God. I believe God revealed This To Me Also. But Dont Feel We Need To Feel We Are Right. Because What Is Will happen. We Need To As Gods People Love One Another And Reach The Lost. I believe If You Love God And Read His Word You Will In Gods Timing Showen All There Is To Have A Rewarding Life And Make Heaven. But Most importantly Be Gods mouthpiece . Spread Your Seed And Allow God Bring In The Harvest.

        Your Sister In Christ. Pauline

  24. Hi Alienated,
    I am well aware of the verses you have put forward, and in many ways I am in perfect agreement with your understanding concerning 2 different gatherings of the saints.
    My understanding is that there has already been an example in the PAST as a precurser of what to expect in the future on all of the events that will take place, just like a MANDELBROT design, you can take a small segment and magnify it, you will have a replica of the whole.
    JHWH has made the UNIVERSE the same way. The atom is just a smaller version of of a GALAXY.

    Col 2:6. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
    17. Which are a SHADOW of THINGS to COME; but the body [is] of Christ.

    What that tells me, is that Just like Jesus (Yeshua) was the TRUE Passover Lamb, He satisfied the TIMING of His Sacrifice with the INSTITUTED Feast of Passover (amoung other attributes that the LAMB had to have – Unblemished … no broken bones etc.) All of the feasts were a pointing FORWARD to a GREATER event in the FUTURE. … BUT THE BODY IS of CHRIST, …in other words, it all (BODY) involves Yeshua our REDEEMER!

    I believe that we differ in so far as our SOUL and what happens to it at DEATH. I am not saying that you are WRONG in your INTERPRETATION, as one cannot deternine the correctness till the events occur to prove the real facts.

    After weighing up all the information that has come to my attention, I can only conclude that “There is FIRST Fruits harvest”, then the “GENERAL bulk of the HARVEST.”

    Yeshua has already given us a PRECURSER. He died, the graves OPEN, but WHEN He was RESURRECTED, those OPEN graves had the bodies RESURRECTED. … For Yeshuah was the FIRST fruits of those who died, and were raised.

    1 Cor 15:23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; AFTERWARD they that are Christ’s AT HIS COMING.

    Matt. 27:52. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
    53. And came out of the graves AFTER his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

    Wat many fail to read, is the fact that the RESURRECTION of those saints did not OCCUR til AFTER …HIS resurrection!

    By all the facts I have read, I believe that these RESURRECTED saints are those spoken of in Revelation as being the 24 ELDERS, as they are at least ~ 2000years old.
    Rev.4:4. And round about the throne [were] four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

    These have WHITE raiment, signifying that they had been dead and were RAISED, just like those who would be KILLED (Beheaded too) in the time of TROUBLE such as NEVER was. (about to happen soon!)

    Rev. 6:11. And WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a LITTLE SEASON, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.

    Notice above, that EVEN THOSE will REST yet for a “LITTLE season”
    These will NOT be in HEAVEN for the WEDDING, but AFTER their resurrection, will WITNESS the Coronation of Yeshua! …as KING of kings!

    These are the FOOLISH (no light) Virgins who are admonished to:-
    Luke 12:35. Let your loins be girded about, and [your] LIGHTS burning;
    36. And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will RETURN FROM THE WEDDING; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

    I Differ from your view in the fact that this EARTH will be CRACKED like an EGG and the surface destroyed of any evidence of archeological past by a rain of Meteors, (stars) which will also put this planet in a new trajectory around the sun giving a DIFFERENT Heavens, and all Mountains or islands will be mixed in the LAKE of Molten Lava.
    Because of the Lava, the smoke will block out the sun and Moon.
    This earth will have the Devil with NO ONE to Deceive for 1000years.

    Matt.24:29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    The Earth will rock back and forth, making Sun Moon and Stars appear to be shaking.

    Joel 2:10. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
    11. And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp [is] very great: for [he is] strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD [is] great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

    Nahum 1:5. The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
    6. Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
    7. The LORD [is] good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

    Rev.6:14. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
    Rev.16:20. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

    The DEVIL has an EMPTY Earth …Evil man DEAD, Burned up!

    Rev.20:3. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST a thousand years.
    5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.

    After 1000years in HEAVEN, …ALL of God’s FAMILY will RETURN to a new Earth.
    Rev.21:1. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    The Devil will for a short time have the WICKED raised, only to be cast into a lake of Lava …again, but this time Satan and his family dies!

    Rev.20:7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
    9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
    10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    • Hi Olaf,

      From what you have said above, is my understanding correct that you believe that Yeshua’s Millenial Kingdom, (and His subsequent reign) will not be on earth but in heaven. Am I correct in that understanding?

      I’ll wait for your response before replying to that.

      Be Blessed

      • Hi Olaf,

        Above in my reply dated Sept. 17th., I forgot to add, (to substantiate the premise above regarding the Rapture and those that come from heaven with Yeshua in the clouds to be resurrected with those that are still alive) the following verses. Which I would believe within my interpretation do suggest, that the spirits of those that follow Yeshua, do go to heaven when they die. As well, that the New Covenant will indeed have a finite time frame.

        ” That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance , being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed , ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 10-14. KJV

        Be Blessed

  25. HI alienated,
    That verse in Ephesians I believe is mentioning the time of the FIRST resurrection, which is the HARVEST. The First fruits have already spent some 1,185 days in heaven (Dan.12:12. …1335d into the last 7 years), whereas those of the “Harvest/Resurrection of the dead” will also be joined in heaven, and with a changed BODY (incorruptible) will like Daniel’s 3 friends be able to withstand the fiery furnace of MOLTEN lava of Earth, standing “as it were on a Sea of GLASS”.

    Rev.15:2. And I saw AS IT WERE a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

    I believe that the Coronation will take place BEFORE the Earth is Destroyed, for the Saints that are still alive, as well as those resurrected ones will witness the plagues being poured out on the wicked, just before the Earth and the WHORE is STONED,as was instructed by God.
    Rev.18:4. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    8. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her.

    John 8:4. They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
    5. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

    To WITNESS this ocasion, the BRIDE (Elected/144,000) will temporarily visit the Earth.

    Rev.8:1. And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

    The following will answer your question regarding our Honeymoon in heaven of 1,000years!

    John 14:2. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
    3. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN, and receive you UNTO MYSELF; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

    It does not say “I will come again and rule over this EARTH”, does it?

    Jesus HAS NOT come again, so HOW can that promise be TRUE if we are ALREADY (supposedly as a “SOUL”) in HEAVEN!

    Rev.20:4. …and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
    6. Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    AGAIN, …WITH Christ, and WHERE is His THRONE? (If we are to REIGN?)

    Rev.4:2. And immediately I was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set IN HEAVEN, and [one] sat on the throne.

    1 Thess 4:15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    This does NOT say that those ASLEEP have already GONE!

    1 Thess 4:16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17. Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be CAUGHT up TOGETHER with them in the clouds, to MEET the LORD in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    MEET the LORD …in the air!

    The LORD does NOT come DOWN to RULE the Earth!

    One must not READ things, or presume things that are clearly NOT written. There is no where written that our “SPIRIT” takes leave of our bodies and continues living, like that of our LORD’S seven Spirits.
    We are NOT GOD!

    The Lie from SATAN!
    Gen.3:5. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and YE SHALL BE as GODS, knowing good and evil.

    • Hi Olaf,

      Wow you and I appear to be at opposite ends of the spectrum regarding some topics, and unfortunately I just don’t have the time to fully express my opposing view points.
      So instead I will just wish you all the best, and the blessings of Yeshua our Lord.

      God’s will, will be done whether you and I happen to agree or not.🙂

      Take Care & Be Blessed

  26. Hi Alienated,
    After I started reading God’s Word some 40 years ago, I was appalled at the number of inconsistencies I was taught in my youth, that were supposedly based on what was written. I feel that it is NO wonder that the man on the street believes that the Bible is full of contradictions!

    Isa.56:10. His watchmen [are] blind: they are all ignorant, they [are] all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
    11. Yea, [they are] greedy dogs [which] can never have enough, and they [are] shepherds [that] CANNOT understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
    12. Come ye, [say they], I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, [and] much more abundant.

    If they (God’s “shepherds”) are DOGS, what is going to happen to them?

    Rev.22:14. Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
    15. For without [are] DOGS, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever LOVETH and maketh a lie.

    Believe in these WIDELY accepted lies if you want.

    Matt.7:13. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY THERE BE which go in thereat:
    14. Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW THERE BE that FIND it.
    15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    Sorry Alienated, the MAJORITY of Christianity believe what is only a PAGAN TRADITION that is accepted as DOCTRINE.

    I do not quote these passages to JUDGE you or anyone else with their views. I only fear for the consequences of ignorance (for want of a better word), and I feel responsible to put forward what is contained in God”s Word, and let them decide if what they believe is the truth, or need to look deeper into the relevant information on the subject.

    The teaching of an Immortal SOUL, I believe it is in the same vein as that what the Pharisees of Israel taught concerning the ritual washing of hands, which has nothing to do with our salvation, but the erroneous teaching of a CONTRADICTION to what the WORD says, IS to do with our salvation, in that WE, like EVE in the Garden, took SATAN’S word as TRUTH!

    Matt.15:9. But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] DOCTRINES the commandments of men.
    11. Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

    • Sorry Olaf, but it is my opinion that you have taken some passages out of their correct context and have utilized them to instead, substantiate that which you happen to believe.

      That is just my opinion, so I wouldn’t let it bother you at all.
      We will all find out what the exact truth of God’s word is saying, when it all actually takes place.

      Adios

  27. .Yes I also believe that the Oil & wine rep; the Holy spirit..which could mean the rapture not taken place yet which brings us up to Chap; 6; 6 in Rev;
    something to think about

  28. I just love the pictures at the top!

    While scripture is full of spiritual meanings for both wine and olive oil, there also remains a physical dimension of interpretation. Such as?? The largest percentage of the earth’s olive oil and wine are produced near the borders of the Mediterranean Sea. The aquifers and rain clouds over Israel must be protected from the poison which kills all ocean life in Rev16:3, and since the Mediterranean borders Israel its water must be protected from the ocean’s poison. I interpret this to mean that the very narrow 40 mile wide strait of Gibraltar must be closed off from the poisoned water of the Atlantic Ocean. There have been many plans over the years to create a highway across this strait in order to directly connect Europe with Africa. It is highly probable that at least one prophetic fulfillment of Rev6:6 is the building of a 40 mile long dam there, which in turn would both protect Israel’s hydrology cycle and protect the majority of earth’s vineyards and olive trees.

  29. To answer someones question should we store up and prepare for the famine; 2 scriptures come to mind. Think not, what shall we eat, what shall we drink, what shall we wear. Your heavenly father knows you need these. Worry not for tomorrow let today’s worries be sufficient for the day. Now skipping to Revelation, all you in Judea when you see the abomination of desolation flee to the mountains, do not return back to get anything, flee leaving all behind. I think it depends on your individual situation. If it can be a tool to preach God’s kingdom, to someone who might receive it, it can be great, but not to rely upon your storage to get you through the famine. Seek an answer in prayer!

  30. hi android

    Your second paragraph is described in Revelation chapter 6 🙂

  31. Oh, thank you for this post!

    So, for years I thought that the oil written within Revelation (3rd Seal), referred to the Holy Spirit. As the oil was an anointing (Psalm 23).

    Then, I began thinking over “new oil” within Joel 2:23-24.

    “Be glad then, you children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God; for He has given you the former rain faithfully, and He will cause the rain to come down for you— The former rain, and the latter rain in the first month [Nisan or March/April).

    The threshing floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with new wine and oil” (NKJV).

    Lately, I’m “seeing” something else throughout Scriptures – leading me to a different understanding of “oil” in both Rev (3rd Seal), matching up with Joel 2:23-24.

    First: “Oil” should have the same interpretation for both Rev 6:6 and Joel 2:23-24, because wine is included in both sets of verses. Oil and wine are “not harmed” in Revelation and both the oil and the wine are “new” within Joel.

    We know “wine” represents the new covenant in His Blood in both OT and NT. The “oil” seems to represent Hebrews as you included above -Romans 11: 23-32
     
    “And they [Hebrews] also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

    For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these [Hebrews] who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?…that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 

    And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: ‘The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; for this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.’

    …For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable…For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all” (Romans 11:19-29, NKJV).

    The oil within Rev 6 (don’t harm) and within Joel (new oil) must refer to Hebrew believers (in that day) and the “new wine” goes with the “new oil” within Joel. 

    The conclusions you reach for the 3rd Seal are within Joel 2:23-24, and I think that day is coming soon.

    Thank you for this post! You helped me work through some questions, providing some confirmations.

    Blessings

  32. Thats is the message I recieved back in the late 80s, early 90s.

    Consider the ant …

  33. i have never thought of this passage in this way, but I found it very plausible. One other interpretation, since it is during famine, is that it is a man-made famine i.e. select crops are targeted for sabotage or destruction (once the elite have their supply safely stored away) and that the oil and wine symbolize the rich will still “party on” — for a while…

    I am fascinated with the Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ, and find it such a book of hope and second and third chances. It certainly is unfolding before our eyes.

  34. Be prepared. What if He is being literal? Whatever metaphor one puts in stead of oil, one still cannot buy it at the market. There IS famine coming and it will be a dark dark day when our Savior returns on the Day of The Lord.
    I want to be a wise and faithful servant!: Matthew 24:45-47
    The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant
    “ Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.

  35. please dear,it is not your thought but the spirit has reveal it to you.Every spirit filled christian is led by the spirit.It is a must do for every christian to believe it and prepare for
    the rainny day.God bless you.

  36. Plz contact me. This feels so true. 144k must awaken to our divine work; which we are only vessels..Yashua shall work thru us in this time.

  37. jamoni,

    I understand your message. This is on my heart, being a vessel filled with the Spirit (Isaiah 11:2-3). It would be to be “filled” as the water of life or as oil for my lamp (Matthew 25:1-12).

    “And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely” (Revelation 22:17, NKJV).

    Pray and keep on praying to be filled – in these last days.

    “Father God, in the name of Jesus, I ask that I may be filled with the knowledge of Your will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding.

    I ask that I may walk worthy of my Lord and Savior, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge Father God.

    Father, strengthened me with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy.

    I give thanks to You, Father God, because You qualified me to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.

    Jesus, you have delivered me from the power of darkness and given unto me the kingdom of Your love. In You Jesus, I have redemption through Your blood, the forgiveness of all my sins.”

    Father God, thank you for hearing and answering this prayer that comes from Your word as written by Paul.

    In Jesus’ name I pray, Amen.

    (Colossians 1:9-14, NKJV).

  38. Awesome, I agree.

  39. good interpretation,amen.

  40. I wouldn’t spiritualize those verses. Those words are literal. Keep in mind that Olive trees and vineyards are DROUGHT resistant crops. Farmers use a technique called dry farming, which is waterless farming, to grow these plants.

    • winter

      why, in the middle of a famine, would god spare olives and wine?

      it would be better to spare bread and water or meat and vegetables.

  41. I believe the Holy Spirit gave me the same interpretation of this verse this week. I never quite understood why olive oil and wine would be specifically protected. I had heard the popular explanations about them representing medicinal uses or rich people. This week the verse came to mind and I immediately received the explanation of what it meant. Just as olive oil is produced from the fruit of the olive tree (which is a symbol of Israel), the olive oil symbolizes the fruit of Israeal, Messianic Jews. The wine is a symbol for Christians. In the Bible it speaks of Jesus being the vine and Christians being the branches. The fruit of the beaches are grapes and grapes put through the press turn into wine. I believe that the olive oil and wine referred to in Revelation 6:6 are tribulation Christians, both Jewish and Gentile.

  42. I agree. Hurt not the oil and the wine, Israel, and the church 2 folds became one fold one people John 10:16. The two witnesses of rev 11:13 are one and the same (oil and wine).
    Grace and peace to all those that love the Lord Jesus Christ sincerely.

  43. conquered with your thought

  44. My answer 2 dat lies in 2 ways, 1) dis verse is lik a poportion or ratio, if d wheat & barley is poor ppl then oil & wine is rich ppl. 2) In d antichrist Era der will b a lot o’ ritual, sacrifice & ceremony, so dose tings need 2 b in a abundance

  45. First the seal prophesy is a progress fulfilment and has been fulfil to the fifth seals the first sealed represent God governing the world….second seal…represent power given to satan to govern the world because we turn from God….(the original sin in the eden)…..the third seal I will come back to it since that’s why am here as well…..the fourth seal. power was given to death on human….which has been happen since man was cast out of eden…people has died by sword…famine….plagues…and by wild animals so I will say this as well has come to pass….the fifth seal…souls of the already dead people shouting to God to revenge on their behave which signify christ came within the fourth and fifth seals…sixth seal sign of the end……now back to the third seal of all content in the revelation dis seals remain misery to me I really wanna follow ur method but since christ comes within the fourth and fifth seals is not real usable to be and more over if oil and wine represent israel and elect….are we saying israel who reject christ now is going to go through the tribulations the great tribulations and reject the mark of the beast since christ is nothing to them what does revelation given to john by christ means to them….which means they will embrace the mark so are they going to be with christ even after receiving the mark of the beast………I think in my own thought that the oil and wine may means happiness and hope for every one…. Though I really like ur method it change my thought up to 60 percent but if the christians are the oil …who are the wine…..

  46. In the end times all of your preparations will be known, or discovered by the so called elite, and you will be stripped of all you have saved for the “good of all”. This is already being prepared for. All you have will be taken by force, even your life if you won’t surrender it. The Savior is our only hope. Put your faith in God and never give it up. For he is our only hope. He is our sustainer. All Glory to him and Yeshua our savior

  47. I understand why you would want to promote this concept. Of course you know that it is a lie. The verses reforestation to the famine and poverty that will exist during the final days.
    The oil and the wine refer to the rich and the fact there will be a disconnect between Christ people and the wealthy. They will stand by and enjoy their lives while bilions starve around them.
    Next is the Falling Away of the church in the last days. Now look at Christianity Today. It has allied with the riches segment of the population. While poverty is ever increasing and a greater segment of the population suffers. The church stands by and promotes hatred, anger, and defies all the values taught by Christ. You are the degeneration of America, Christianity, and the catalyst for the coming of Satan.

    • no, i don’t think what I post is a lie.

      it makes so sense that God would spare the rich and let the poor die

      • Hi I’m Lloyd Weitkamp, I am sorry that my comment last night on the oil and wine was so distasteful. Over worked and over stressed causes me to write before I think.I do thank you for everything you do to help spread the word.I have included a manuscript for you to read not asking anything from you the book is already published. Just would enjoy your opinion. Thanks again for everything. Lloyd Weitkamp

        Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

  48. “Don’t hurt the oil and the wine”, is, in the context, signifying that although the poor of the world are starving and have to pay a day’s wages for barely usually fed only to animals, the rich will still be living in luxury and well able to afford these expensive food products.
    This passage could not be speaking of Christians, as the Church is not the subject of the book of Revelation, but Israel, and the return of the 12 tribes of the House of Israel in the second Exodus, is the presiding subject of this book, which from end to end, has the character of an old Testament prophecy.

  49. This verse may have more than one implication, spiritual as well as, a natural meaning. Dealing first with the natural I would like to share a comment from Pastor Jack Hauford’ Spirit Filled Bible on verses 5-6 ” The rider on the black horse is the symbol of economic disruption. The problem is not a famine (not my personal belief) but inflation and scarcity. A denarius was the daily wage for a laborer, which ordinarily would buy eight times the amount of wheat and barley as under these conditions. Oil and wine, symbolic of luxuries likely means the famine is viewed as limited. It does not depict worldwide, rampant starvation.” There is hope in this statement and puts things in a more pliatable content,but that is a concern of mine due to the fact it could people at easy in what I feel will be dark times for this Nation. I only brought it into this conversation because the revelation of the symbols speak to the mysteries in the verse in a historical manner.
    I believe that rather to prepare or not prepare is a personal issue, I know of Christians in key leadership roles such as pastors that are divide within their own households on this issues. And it is not the wife in some cases that opt to prepare either. Their are many, many Holy Spirit filled Christians eqqiping themselves with a few years of all manner of supplies: toiletries; first aid; and even weapons and ammunition as well. And too have taught their daughters and sons to shoot and make ammunition!

    The spirit part I would like to touch on is as a possible message is based on the fact that God always preservers or makes a way for his people as mention earlier. Not only did God send Manna after they were in the wilderness, but as He punished the rebellion of Pharaoh with the plagues. God show his power by making a difference between Egypt and Goshen. Not only then but in Ezekiel 9:4 He had the angel take the inkhorn and go throughout the city and mark the foreheads of those that had His heart. The oil and wine therefore I feel has to do with those having both an anointing and Holy Spirit rather they are Jews or Gentiles; because Ephesians 2:15-18 for one, lets us know that there is no longer any division but that we as believers in Jesuha have become “One New Man”
    Just my thoughts on the topic, stay close to the Lord to hear his will during these perilous times we are in, Shalom!

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