False prophets and teachers – characteristics

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1 Peter 5:21 True prophets are to speak not by the will of man, but by the Holy Spirit.

1 Peter 2:1-19. False Prophets and teachers:

1. they will bring in destructive heresies

2. the way of truth will be blasphemed– even the wicked will be able to see through the person and see the hypocrisy. Listen to what their critics are saying, and see if it is true

3.. by covetousness, they will exploit you with deceptive words. They know what you desire – wealth, property, personal power- and they speak on how to get it- justifying the message with twisted interpretations of scripture. They know how to appeal to your weak points. Secret – do not be covetous….and you will not be deceived. Money is the usual hook in your mouth. Be rich and powerful like them.!!

4. they walk according to the flesh and speak of worldly things. They may show lust of uncleanness. They will despise authority, but will be one themselves. They are self willed, presumptuous, and will speak evil of true authority.

5. They act like natural brute beasts and speak evil of things they do not understand. They are corrupt. Watch the arrogant way they act. Just ask yourself- would Jesus act like that, or say what they do?

6. they are spots and blemishes. They rejoice and celebrate in their own deceptions while feasting with you…or feasting on you. Their eyes are full of adultery (spiritual and/or physical). They entice unstable souls. Look at the response of people around them. Do they just eat up everything that is said , no matter how outrageous? Are they stupid sheep? If so, stay away.

7. their heart is trained in covetous practices. they are experienced at getting you to lust after worldly things. they take advantage of subconscious jealousy on your part. They are con artists.

8. they have forsaken the right way. Notice they will ignore items of gospel truth and focus on just certain worldly topics.

9. They follow the way of Balaam (**worldliness again). He was a very influential sorcerer who, although aware of the true God, made his services available on a freelance basis. Balaam still advised King Balak how to tempt the Israelites into disobeying God: Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, that they might eat food sacrificed to idols, and practice immorality. The false prophet will tell you, then, how to sin and win over your righteous “enemies” by tempting them to fail.

**emphasis is on the pride of life, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life.

10. they speak great swelling words of emptiness. Do you hear them that really sound good, but they are not saying much? They can really put on a show. Check your bible and see if they are even using the scripture in context. they will put different meanings on what is there.

11. they promise liberty while putting you in bondage. Freedom in Jesus is free. Liberty with these guys will cost you a lot. You will have to pay somehow – either with your soul or your wallet, or both.

My own observations:

1. they will pressure you into things…..like you have to do something NOW or you will not get a miracle. give money now while the holy spirit is still moving. Gain is NOT godliness. !!!

2. they use guilt to manipulate you.

3. they claim to “hear from God” who seems to either

a. say really stupid things– like this is the year 2008, so God wants you to give 2008 dollars to the preacher. or Jesus was rich, he did not have to work. or the bible talks about money more than any other topic. If unbelievers can pick up on this hype, then the believers really look stupid when they fall for this stuff.

b. generalizes so that it can apply to anyone, or mean about anything. examples : God is showing me that he loves you very much. Duh ! or, God knows your problem and he will help you. Duh again ! ……There will be changes this year. (so?) ….. God will do a new thing (ok, like what?)…. Seek my face says God…… God wants to invade the church and change it for himself. …. Too general…..!!!!

c. REAL prophets will tell you very specific things, that are accurate and helpful, and will direct you to humility, obedience, and holiness.

4. They do not talk about Jesus as savior much. they are selfish, and abuse scripture, they use numbers as gimmicks in sermons designed to get your money, fake holiness, compromising morals or doctrine, making fake promises to get you moving in their direction, they never admit they are wrong.

5. there is an emphasis on personal power. What are we going to do with this promised power? Even if we are in a battle with satan, we are told in scripture to submit to God, and resist the devil and he will flee from us. We are not told to get puffed up and try to fight satan ourselves. If it is power to get wealth, it is usually a worldly approach to getting money, and has nothing to do with sharing the money with the poor. If you have to pay to hear about how God wants you rich, or buy someone’s book, then you are just supporting their business. If they cared about you, or they were really hearing from God, they would share the wealth secrets for free. Prophets for hire are just “prophets” making a profit. !!! Prophets for hire are false prophets.

6. they are persuasive. they will also repeat something over and over until you give in. and believe them.

7. they are con artistssociopaths. Sociopaths have no heart, no conscience and no remorse. They don’t worry about paying bills. They think nothing of lying, cheating and stealing. Sociopaths often blend easily into society. They’re entertaining and fun at parties. They appear to be intelligent, charming, well-adjusted and likable. The key word is “appear.” Because for sociopaths it’s all an illusion, designed to convince you to give them what they want.

8. Their lives show disobedience to the commandments of God (Yahweh (YHVH), not some other god)

Somehow the subject of money will come up.

This is what the Bible says about giving money to them:

“And he who gives his money to the rich, will surely come to poverty.” (Proverbs 22:16)

So, it would be wise NOT to give money to rich prosperity preachers. You will get poverty, not prosperity, by giving to them.

excellent post:

http://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/the-marks-of-false-%e2%80%98christian%e2%80%99-teaching-and-teachers-the-conclusion/

How to spot a con artist:

(from the real business world, but it applies to the church as well)

http://www.nasaa.org/investor_education/nasaa_fraud_center/436.cfm

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92 Responses to “False prophets and teachers – characteristics”

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  2. Excellent article

  3. Once again, I have really enjoyed reading your blog. You are right on the mark.

  4. Marianne,
    Thanks for your website and insight.
    Ever consider writing for The Wittenburg Door?
    Al

  5. Thank you. I do not know anything about the Wittenburg door. Do they need writers? I love to think and write.

  6. I’ve just read this post (better late then never)

    Its excellent. Will post it on my site this week

    Alan

    PS, thanks for linking to my site

  7. Hi Alan,

    Thanks for stopping by. I wish you the best on your site as well.

    blessings
    marianne

  8. Jesus said “COME UNTO ME, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” Matthew 11:28

    Jesus said “ I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by ME. ” John 14:6

    Jesus said “ He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. ” John 6:24

    For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

    All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

    IF WE CONFESS our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say
    that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:9-10

    God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

    Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
    Acts 4:12

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

    But he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    John 3:18

    He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life. John 3:36

    If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9

    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth Romans 1:16

  9. Jesus said not to have other gods before him.
    We are to only have one God.
    We are to only worship one God.

    To worship any thing else would be against god.

    I know that there is one word, and that word is god.
    there is no other gods before us.

    To those that believe there are other gods don’t believe in are god or are bible are way of life.

    God gave us a set of rules to live by we must live by them we can’t change them to fit are beliefs are ways.

    Our Beliefs should stand on the bible nothing but the bible, no doughts what it says we must agree oppon.

    In truth, and in time of trouble.

    I agree there are others that believe in different gods.
    and to them thy fill its there god.
    but thy don’t believe in are god our ten commandments.
    or are ways only there ways.

  10. Marianne;

    Paul Mcguire is a watchman on the Wall Ezechiel 33:6

    http://paulmcguire.com/

    But if the watchmen sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman’s hand.

    Now as for you, son of man, I have appointed you a watchman for the house of Israel; so you, will hear a message from my mouth, and give them warning from me.

    Kittii

  11. Marianne:

    Rick Warren Back Peddles on Gay Marriage on Afn News Update:

    Are you familiar with the translation of the Bible “The Message” ?
    That’s the version he uses over 80 times in his book “The Purpose Driven life”. Two great web pages to read about that version and that book are:

    Purpose Driven Deception on a Global Scale
    http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/006/pd-deception.htm

    Warren’s Peace Plan and U.N. Goals
    http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/peace-un-2.htm

    Spirit Led or Purpose Driven?
    http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/1-purpose.htm

    Dave Hunt on End Time Apostasy of the Church: Rick Warren and the translation: “The Message and the Purpose Driven Life”.

    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=260

    Kittii

  12. We can only get taken in if we CHOOSE to leave Jesus out. The more we
    TAKE THE TROUBLE to get to know his PERSONALITY by studying his “biography”
    the more he will take the trouble to protect us from the behavior of these
    ravenous wolves by giving us the power to discern character. The more
    trouble we take for him, the more trouble he will take from us. The
    hardest lesson for all of us is: We do reap what we sow. Most of us have
    to learn this hard lesson including these wickedly deceptive vipers who
    even preach this themselves, and they are going to reap the heaviest
    judgment of all because they deserve it. But character assessment by
    itself is not sufficient. If we are not prepared to put on the suit of
    armour , which is the WORD OF GOD, then we have no defence against this
    Satanic double edged sword–and it is very sharp. Along wiitb this suite
    of armour comes a double edged sword which is sharper. Jesus will
    teach us how to use it–but he IS NOT going to hand it to us on a plate !!
    If we are not prepared to die for him, he will not give us this sword which
    will save us. This is spiritual warfare. If our lives are not one big
    battle then we do not know the real Jesus. If we know the real Jesus then we
    WILL KNOW THE REAL SATAN and he is unrelenting.If we are not,because of this
    desperate for God’s Kingdom to come because we feel we cannot take much
    more, then we are not an innocent child of God. How can we remain innocent?
    By not selling our souls to these merchants of hell, because that’s where
    they want to take us. Does that sound dramatic. Ask Jesus !!

    • Hi RIchard,

      Very true. God will provide for anyone preaching the gospel. The word of God should so completely fill us, that we immediately recognize what is false.

  13. Hi Marianne,

    last week I had a shocking experience with a woman that claims to be a prophetess. Many things she says seem to apply to people, many others do not. I was invited to her home. There she behaved like a goddess, walls full with her photos, diplomas in personal and psychic conselling…The whole time it was her speaking, me listening, at least trying to: her words confused me, they were contradictory, harmful, very very personal. She claimed to have found out that I must fit a certain psychological pattern which I am not. Because it was what I actually thought of her! So I came to understand that she was not analyzing my personality nor did she try to prophesy over me, but she was reading my thoughts, my soul! As I prayed on the inside that the Lord may put a veil over me so no demons will find me, she suddenly went furious, yelling: Do not hide before me, I will find you…! Oh my God, you can imagine, I felt like in hell…She went on screaming and yelling at me, because I unfortunately had started to defend myself against her lies over me, which I know now, was entirely wrong! She went on mocking about me, because all her behavior made me cry, saying I had no self-awareness to be saved by Christ, that I were as immature as a new believer etc.
    Well, now I kind of blame myself for my self-defense since this only added to her rage…

    • Hi Cornelia,

      This woman is nothing but a witch. She speaks curses over people, based on whatever demons tell her, or she gets from gossip.

      If you met her in church, tell the pastor about your experience. If he does nothing to get rid of her, then leave him.

      We are in the last days. The earth is corrupt, so is the church.

      The only pastor you need is Jesus, and the only counselor you need is the Holy SPirit.

      If you see her again, tell her that she is nothing but a witch going to hell, and that you reject her curses.

      Plead the blood of Jesus over you, wipe the curse off of you, and go on in victory without that stupid woman.

  14. Hi Marianne,

    there were some other church members who made the same experience with her. She only attends our church from time to time since she lives abroad. She is an African woman who married a Suisse man. Both move in the prophetic. Our pastor tolerates her at our church because she used to be a prostitute in the past which, he thinks, is something very extraordinary. When being exposed to the anointing in my church she and her husband are entirely prophetic. It is outside church that things seem to get out of control spiritually. I will follow your advice. Thank you, Marianne!

    • Hi Cornelia

      She is still a witch, not a prophet. Stay away from her and her husband.

      Witchcraft is not prophecy, not matter how they dress it up, or how much they exalt themselves, and push for recognition in your church..

      There is something wrong with your pastor, so be vigilant.

      If he is impressed with prostitutes, then he lacks discernment. He may be an Ahab, entertaining Jezebel spirits in your church.

      Keep your distance from anyone who just shows up and decides they are prophets. Most false prophets are good at marketing themselves.

      True prophets are humble, and holy. They do not lie.

      If you pastor continues to sponsor false prophets, you should get away from him too.

      • Cornelia, I would not walk but RUN away as fast as
        I can. Do you wonder why the pastor does not
        have enough discernment to tell the difference
        between real and not real? Talk about “red flags”
        all over the place!!

  15. Today we give many names for what the Scriptures called: ‘HEATHENS’.
    Of course heathens follow and initiates ‘false doctrines.’
    They are idolaters and coveters and ungodly and unholy and atheists and pagans and faithless and agnostics etc.
    Simpler to just call them ‘heathens.’

  16. Granted there will be and already is a great falling away from Jesus.. But the false prophets of Matt24 and 2 Peter 2-1 and Jude and 1st John 4-1 are not Christians…
    1 John 4 -1,2,3 shows the FALSE PROPHETS are those who deny Jesus is SON OF GOD..Christians do not deny Jesus is son of God..1st John 4 – 3 shows these false prophets are ANTICHRIST…Verse 15..Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. .The distinction between Christians and antichrist false prophets is the belief that Jesus is the SON OF GOD..

  17. true true true,they first drag you away from god and the truth thats when they can do there works.I believe that there is more than one anti-christ,the false prophets prove that.Jesus they say well what jesus are they speaking of NOT my jesus .so anybody asks me do you believe in jesus i say which one?

  18. God Bless Marrianne; I am reading this article, and tears are flowing down my face because I saw this kind of nonsense and behavior in the ministry I just got out off! My former Pastor, I believe now tapped into another source outside of the realm of the spirit of God! He was teaching Christ at one point, and then, he said he had this revelation about a “4th Dimension”, and that’s when all hell broke loose! He was saying God is in the 4th Demension ,and we as humans are in the 3rd dimension. Well I stumbled up on an article which led me to another article about this 4th dimension! It had nothing to do with hjigher dimensions of the mind! It also spoke about it being false teaching! I am so glad the Holy Spirit leads me in my searching, because I nve go wrong in examining and discerning the Truth!!! Thanks so much.

    • Hi Cheryl

      I am glad you were able to see what was happening, and leave. The lord is calling us all out of the false church.

      It may be a lonely walk at times, but believers will find each other. 🙂

      They are like little magnets, drawn to each other in cyberspace.

  19. Marianne, I appreciate the honesty of your article that admits there are many false prophets and religious leaders. I think this begs the question that are not they ALL con-men and fraudsters. They are trying to get people to trust them to be a channel to and from a God for whom they can produce no evidence. The fact that they extract money from people who do trust them adds injury to the insult. As you may guess, I am an unbeliever, but I am one who got there thanks to the abusive nature of the fundamentalist Christian criminals that had charge of my life as a child.Now, although I do not believe in God myself, I have many close friends who do, and we remain close friends because we can recognise each others worth as human beings.

    I appreciate the value of the religious organisations to which my friends belong, they are a vital bulwark against totalitarianism and tyranny, along with all sorts of other non-government organisations.

    I just wish that all religious organisations and people could be as accepting of my right to my unbelief as my friends are. I think that the question of tolerance of other religious faiths is completely missing the point that all theistic religions are intolerant of unbelievers. In a democratic society, surely us unbelievers should not have to tolerate the denigration that starts in the holy books and is constantly flowing from pulpits everywhere. I am doing my bit by not maligning people on the basis of their religious beliefs, but consider that the constant abuse coming my way is from all ‘prophets’ and religious leaders regardless of whether they are fraudulent or not.

    • hello Alan

      Thanks for your note. As an unbeliever, you are finding your own path and way. No one can force anyone to believe in a faith, especially if they see no tangible evidence.

      I have worked in a secular university all my life, and I am aware of the thoughts of friends and coworkers. It is possible to be a decent person, with values, and still be secular.

      The bible predicted that false prophets and teachers would arise, and there would be a great falling away from the faith. So, you are just witnessing it, and it is good that you are not a part of it.

      My main hope is that people just look at the life of Christ, read the bible for themselves, to see what he said, and NOT go by what man says. Man always corrupts what God does. It is man’s fallen nature to have things his own way.

      I know there are good churches left, that do good deeds. They still operate on the premise that man owes the pastor money. It is biblical to give offerings for the poor, but not to support large buildings, and full time salaries of a whole staff of people that only work on Sundays. So, the “church system” is still inherently flawed, but we look to what good they do, and try to move on. It has become a tradition now.

      I hope for a time when I see people going back to leading a simple non- materialistic life, and the gospel is preached in a humble way to everyone. I hope for the day when people seek Truth, and not error, and purity of life, instead of corruption of what is pure.

      Please feel welcome on my site. Thank you for visiting.

  20. Marianne,
    The simple non-materialistic life is something that I embraced long ago, along with an earnest seeking of truth. Now that I am retired I am devoting a lot of my time to helping children acquire the skills needed for understanding the world that they live in. There are so many people out there that seek to exploit others of lesser understanding, that it makes me see the task of helping our young ones to cope with modern society as a major responsibility.
    Thank you for the welcome, it is something that I find exceedingly rare amongst those of religious bent, regardless of what religion they may be.

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If anyone has insight, *LET HIM* calculate the number of the Beast {Even in AD 96 when Revelation was written}, for it is a man’s number {Or “Number of a MAN”}. *HIS* number is *666*.” God has promised in the above inspired passage that any saint {Even in AD 96–which implies that the name was known in AD 96} with spiritual wisdom and insight may calculate the name of the beast which is a *MAN’S NAME* and adds up to 666. In Thess 2:3 the Beast of the End-Times is called a “*MAN* of sin or lawlessness” or very SINFUL MAN and therefore the name of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a *MAN’S* name which is also confirmed in Rev 13:17b,18 above. Therefore, the NAME of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a sinful *MAN’S NAME* and could not be the name of a woman or a city, country, computer or Satan, etc.. 666 is also identified with a MASCULINE pronoun 28 times in God’s Word which we will show later. Rev 13:16,17: “He {The False Prophet} forced everyone… to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead. No one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name {666}. The antichrist is called a “BEAST” 36 {6×6} times in Revelation and the BEAST is a much better name than antichrist since antichrist is mentioned 4 times in God’s Word {I John 2:18, 22; 4:3; 2 John 1:7} and each time the word encompasses all who are against Christ. I JOHN 2:18: “Even now many antichrists have come.” Surely all who receive the mark of the Beast are antichrists. 666 is referred to in the MASCULINE gender 28 times and the Beast is never referred to in the feminine or neuter gender. It is interesting to note that if the Beast of the end-times will be a religious organization, country or city it would be referred to in the female or neuter gender!!! The masculine pronouns used for the Beast are “HIS” 11 times: Rev 13:1, 5,16b,18b; 14:9,11; 17:7b; 19:2; 20:4(2X) & Daniel 7:26. “HE” 10 times: Rev 13:1;6a,7a,7; 17:8b; 17:11; 2 Thess 2:6; Daniel 7:24,25 & Daniel 9:27. “HIM” 5 times: Rev 13:4b; 19:20; 2 Thess 2:6; Daniel 7:25 & Daniel 9:27. “HIMSELF” 2 times in 2 Thess 2:4. Actually there are **7 BIBLE CLUES** that show who the BEAST of the future 1260-day Tribulation will be. By an amazing coincidence all 7 Bible clues can be applied to Nero Caesar!! {{1}} The BEAST will be a “MAN OF SIN” or very sinful MAN as per 2 Thess 2:3 above. {{2}} The number of this sinful man’s name is 666 as per Rev 13:16-18. The Bible was written by 40 divinely inspired Hebrews in Hebrew and Greek so then it is highly probable that this man’s name adds up to 666 in Hebrew or Greek. Nero Caesar’s name adds up to 666 in Hebrew which we will show later in this Bible study. {{3}} This sinful man whose name adds up to 666 DIED BEFORE AD 96 when Revelation was written.{See Rev 17:8 below} We will show later why Revelation was written between Sept AD 95 and Sept AD 96. Nero Caesar lived from December 15th, AD 37 to June 9th AD 68. {{4}} This sinful man who was alive and then died before AD 96 was FATALLY WOUNDED by a sword wound to his head. Nero Caesar committed suicide with a sword wound to his head on June 9th, AD 68. {See Rev 13:3 and Rev 13:14 below} {{5}} This very sinful man who died before AD 96 was a KING in the Roman Empire as per Daniel 7:24. There were 11 Roman Kings or Caesars who died before AD 96 including the 6th Caesar who killed Paul and Peter in AD 66; and whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew. Domitian Caesar was the 12th Caesar who was alive when Revelation was written in AD 96. {{6}} The beast is also called an 8th KING who ruled before AD 96 as one of 7 KINGS crowned by the city on 7 hills. {See Rev 17:9-11} The identity of these 8 KINGS will be discussed later in this article. {{7}} This very sinful ROMAN KING whose name adds up to 666 and who was fatally wounded by a sword before AD 96, will “COME UP FROM THE *ABYSS* or *HELL* as per Rev 11:7 & Rev 17:8. We know that the ABYSS is HELL by comparing 2 Peter 2:4 with Luke 8:30b,31. We can be sure that Nero Caesar is now in the Abyss or Hell since he killed Paul and Peter and thousands of Christians and sent Vespasian {the father of Titus and Domitian Caesar} to kill the Jews and destroy their Temple. The MAN OF SIN or Nero also killed his own mother and killed his pregnant wife by kicking her in the stomach. Inscriptions have been found in Ephesus in which Nero is called “Almighty God” and “Savior”. In Revelation 13:8a we learn that all the unsaved inhabitants of the world will worship the Beast. Nero and Caligula “abandoned all reserve” in promoting emperor worship – they were the only two Roman Caesars who demanded divine honors while still alive. Nero claimed to be the sun-god Apollo. In 2 Thess 2:4 we read that the “Man of Sin” will proclaim that he is God! Revelation 17:8: The beast, which you saw, once was {alive}, Now {in AD 96} is not {alive} and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book life. … will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was {Alive before AD 96}, now {In AD 96} is not {Alive} and yet will come. Rev 13:14: He {The False Prophet} will order the inhabitants of the earth to set up an image in honor of the beast who was {FATALLY-Rev 13:3} wounded by the sword and yet lived.” Rev 13:3: One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been HEALED!! The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. When I was a missionary in Israel I studied the Hebrew language. One of the first things that you learn when you study the OT Ancient Hebrew language {Which is also the language of Israel today!} is that the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet ALSO represent 22 numbers! When you read Psalm 119 you will note that the 176 sentences are divided into 22 sections; each section with 8 sentences or verses praising the Word of God. These 22 sections are each headed by one of the letters in the Hebrew alphabet in the exact same order as shown below. The ancient Hebrew language {Which is exactly the same as the modern Hebrew language} frequently used the letters of their alphabet to designate NUMBERS IN THE OT as follows: ALEPH=1. BETH=2. GIMEL=3. DALET=4. HE=5. VAV=6. ZAYIN=7. CHETH=8. TETH=9. YODH=10. KAPH=20. LAMED=30. MEM=40. NUN=50. SAMEKH=60. AYIN=70. PE=80. TSADHE=90. KOPH=100. RESH=200. SHIN=300. TAV=400. NOTE: Most vowel sounds except “O” {VAV} are not used as letters in Hebrew. These vowel sounds are designated by dots and dashes under their *PRECEDING* consonants. In Hebrew “N” is added on the end of all foreign names ending in “O”. Therefore, the foreign name of Nero would be “NERON” in Hebrew. The name Nero Caesar would be pronounced Neron Kaysar in Hebrew. The “E” in Neron and the 2 “A” sounds in Kaysar {There is no “C” in Hebrew} are designated by dots and dashes under their preceding consonants and therefore are not letters in the 22 letter Hebrew alphabet, and so have no numerical value. Neron in Hebrew would use 4 letters with numerical value: N-R-O-N and Kaysar in Hebrew would use 3 letters with numerical value: K-S-R. There would be a dot under the first N to show the “E” sound in NEron There would also be 2 dots under the “K” to show the “AY” sound in KAYsar and a dash under the “S” to show the “AH” sound in KaySAHr. The 4 letters with numerical value in NERON would be {SEE TABLE ABOVE} N = NUN = 50; R = RESH = 200; O = VAV = 6; and N = NUN = 50 and 50+20+6+50 equals 306. The 3 letters with numerical value in “KAYSAR would be K = KOPH = 100; S = SAMEKH = 60; and R = RESH =200 and 100+60+200 equals 360. And so the numerical value of Nero in Hebrew is 306 and the numerical value of Caesar in Hebrew is 360, and therefore the numerical value of Nero Caesar is 306+360 or exactly *666*! There is a very interesting footnote in the revised Standard Version concerning the number 666 which states that some ancient manuscripts have the number **616** which *DOUBLY* confirms that Nero Caesar may be the future Anti-Christ!! You will note that the Hebrew language adds an “N” to all foreign names ending in “O”. Now “N” or “NUN” in Hebrew has a numerical value of **50**!! and so if you decided not to add the last “N” in NERON then Nero Caesar would add up to exactly **616** in Hebrew. I think you will admit that this is an absolutely amazing coincidence!! Any honest Hebrew language scholar will confirm that the letters of Nero Caesar’s name add up to 666 in the Hebrew language whose 22 letters are also 22 numbers as shown above. Since all of the prophecies concerning the antichrist are written in OT Hebrew {Like Daniel 7:8-25} or NT Koine Greek it would then seem logical that God would use one of these 2 Bible languages to identify the Name of the Beast whose letters add up to 666. One of the problems of doing this in NT Koine Greek is that the letters of their alphabet are not also numbers. And therefore you can only assign a numerical value of 22 to the 22nd letter, etc.. Using this formula you could not get any name to add up to over 250, let alone 666. You have the same problem with English and all other languages other than the Hebrew language! NOTE: The 3 different Greek words used in Revelation 13:18b to arrive at the number 666 are the 3 different Greek words for 600 and 60 and 6 and not 6 + 6 + 6. Will the 6th Caesar {Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius & the *6th* is NERO who ordered the execution of Paul & Peter in AD *66*} be the Beast who comes up from the Abyss {Or Hell-See Rev 11:7 & Rev 17:8} in the coming Great Tribulation?? Rev 1:8,9: “I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” We know that the island of Patmos was the site of a Roman prison in the first Century and that the Apostle John was suffering in this prison because of his religious beliefs. {As per Rev 1:8,9 above} The island of Patmos is about 30 miles from the port of Ephesus in Western Turkey. History tells us that the second huge Roman persecution of Christians {The first was NERO’S PERSECUTION OF AD 64-68} occurred in the last year of the reign of Domitian Caesar which would have been from September AD 95 to September AD 96. During the last year of his rule Domitian Caesar decreed that everyone in the Roman Empire must worship idols of former Roman Caesar’s or else they would be killed or put in prison. Historical documents show us that the Apostle John {Who then lived in Ephesus} lived to about AD 100 and therefore would have been alive during Domitian’s evil decree of September AD 95 to September of AD 96. Since we can be sure that the Apostle John would never worship an idol of a Roman Caesar it is then highly probable that John was put in prison on Patmos Isle sometime during Domitian’s evil decree from September AD 95 to September AD 96. Rev 1:10,11: “On the Lord’s Day I {John} was in the spirit and I heard a loud voice {Jesus} said, ‘Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the 7 churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.” The last 6 churches are all in Western Turkey within 77 miles of Ephesus. About 50 years earlier Paul had started churches in these 7 cities. Paul always had Jewish converts in the cities where he preached since he had the habit of teaching in Jewish synagogues on the Sabbath. It was then highly probable that all 7 of these churches had Jewish believers who were very familiar with the Hebrew language and of course knew that the 22 letters of the Jewish alphabet are also 22 numbers and also remembered the first Roman persecution by Nero or the “MAN OF SIN” about 30 years earlier when Paul & Peter and thousands of Christians were martyred because of Nero Caesar. Nero also sent Vespasian, the father of Titus and Domitian; to kill the Jews and destroy their Temple. He also killed his mother and killed his pregnant wife by kicking her in the stomach. Christian writings in the early 2nd century AD show that many Christians at that time believed that Nero Caesar {Who adds up to 666 in Hebrew} would return as the BEAST of the End-Times. Rev 13:18: “This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight {Even in AD 96}, let him {Even in AD 96} calculate the Beast, for it is a man’s number. His {Nero Caesar’s} number is 666!” And so the above Scripture absolutely guarantees that anyone with spiritual wisdom and insight could figure out who the BEAST of the End-Times would be even when Revelation was first given to the churches in AD 96, and that the number of his name adds up to 666. This would of course mean that the future BEAST must have been alive before AD 96 when this Scripture was given to the churches. Nero Caesar {Whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} certainly qualified since he lived from Dec 15th AD 37 to June 9th, AD 68 when he was fatally wounded by his own SWORD. Revelation 17:8b: “Those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life will be astonished when they see the beast {666}, because he once was {Alive–AD 37-68} now in AD 96 is not {Alive}, and yet will come.” {During the Great Tribulation} The Beast once was {Alive before AD 96} now is not {Alive in AD 96}, and will come out of the ABYSS {Or HELL} and go to his destruction.” {On the last Day-See Rev 19:20b} The fact that the ABYSS is HELL is confirmed by comparing 2 Peter 2:4 with Luke 8:30b,31: 2 Peter 2:4: “God did not spare the angels when they sinned but sent them into HELL, putting them in gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment.” Luke 8:30b,31: “Many demons {Or Hell’s Angels} had gone into him {A demon-possessed man}. And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them into the ABYSS! {Because they had already been in Hell or the ABYSS before!!} Also in Luke 16:22-24 we read that there was a rich man already in HELL at the time of Jesus. Now we can be absolutely certain that an evil Roman king from the city on 7 hills; who was fatally wounded by a sword *BEFORE* Revelation was written in AD 96; and whose name adds up to 666 is presently in this ABYSS or HELL!! All historical documents agree that Nero Caesar {The 6th Caesar who ordered the execution of Paul & Peter in AD 66 and whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} was fatally wounded by his own SWORD on June 9th AD 68. In Revelation 13:14b we learn that the False Prophet of 666 will order the building of a statue of 666 “Who was {FATALLY-See Rev 13:3} wounded by the SWORD and yet lived!” {AGAIN} Nero Caesar {Whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} again qualifies for this inspired clue as to the identity of the BEAST. Nero’s 4-year Roman persecution began when he blamed the Christians for the burning of Rome in July, AD 64; and ended when Nero was fatally wounded by his own SWORD on June 9th, AD 68. Almost all conservative Bible theologians agree that the 4th Beast of Daniel 7:7,19 is the *ROMAN* Empire. In Daniel 7:20,21 we learn that a little horn who is also called a *KING* in Daniel 7:24 will come from this *ROMAN* Empire. Daniel 7:24b,25-27: “A *KING* {From the *ROMAN* Empire–Nero Caesar??} will arise…. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints. The saints will be handed over to him for a Time, Times and ½ a Time.” “But the court will sit, and his {666 or the Roman King or the Beast or Nero Caesar-See Rev 19:20,21 and 2 Thess 2:8} power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. *THEN* the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole Heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His Kingdom will be an everlasting Kingdom.” Revelation 6:7,8: When the Lamb opened the 4th seal, I heard the voice of the 4th living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death {666 who will cause the death of millions} and Hades {The False Prophet who will cause millions to go to Hades by receiving the mark of 666} was following close behind him. THEY {Nero Caesar and the False Prophet} were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth. Daniel 7:8,20,24 says that an evil Roman King will conquer 3 of the 10 kingdoms {which will cover one fourth of the earth??}–Russia {Combined with former Soviet Union}, China and India cover one fourth of the earth and have over one fourth of the world’s population! These 3 kingdoms may object and become jealous of 666 and his False Prophet ruling every country in the world. It is also possible that Israel will attack Iran’s nuclear facilities which will precipitate World War III and Russia China and India will back Iran. Israel may attack Iran very soon since Iran is now about to install advanced Russian anti-missile and anti-aircraft weapons. The following 10 powerful nations have about 50% of the world’s population and about 70 % of the world’s military power and certainly have the military, political and “religious” power to control and rule all the nations of the world: #1. United States #2. Russia #3. China {1.3 Billion} #4. Great Britain #5. France #6. India {1.1 Billion} #7. Germany #8. Japan #9. Brazil #10. Egypt. Brazil borders every country in South America except Chile. Egypt is the university, intellectual and theological center of Islam. After appointing 10 kings who have never before ruled {See Rev 17:12,13} in these 10 nations 666 will then have “authority over every tribe, people, language and nation” as per Rev 13:7b, from his headquarters in Rome. 666 and his False prophet will then quickly gain complete control over the radio, television, internet, newspaper, book and magazine medias. It is interesting to note that Obama is presently trying to control all of these medias in the USA which may be the world’s most free country!! There are some who suggest that these 10 nations will all come from Europe and will not include Russia, China, India, Japan and the USA and will therefore only have about 5 % of the world’s population and about 20% of the world’s military power. Daniel 7:24 confirms that the 10 kings of a revived Roman Empire also mentioned in Rev 17:12 will help 666 rule the world. However to assume that the 10 kings of these 10 end-time kingdoms must come from Europe is a false assumption since a REVIVED Roman Empire should include the Major powers of the world in the future Great Tribulation. Revelation 13:4: Men worshipped the dragon {Satan}, and they also worshipped the beast {666 or Nero Caesar} and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him? The next 5 paragraphs are an interesting SPECULATION about what might happen at the beginning of the 1260-day Great Tribulation and who possibly may be the future False Prophet of 666. The False Prophet is referred to as “HE” {Masculine Gender} 9 times in Rev 13:11-16 & Rev 19:20. And “HE” will be a very “DECEPTIVE” False Prophet as shown in Rev 13:11-16 & Rev 19:20. And so Nero Caesar with the help of the armies of the False Prophet {Obama??} and other nations aligned with him will conquer 1/4 of the world {See Rev 6:8; 13:4b} and then 666 will appoint 10 kings over 10 kingdoms to rule the world who have never before ruled {see Rev 17:12-14} and who will then take orders from 666 and his False Prophet from their headquarters in the evil city on 7 HILLS or Rome.{See Rev 17:9} Revelation 6:6: “A quart of wheat for a day’s wages!” This phrase can also be translated “A loaf of bread for a day’s wages.” This event will occur at the coming of the black horse rider {Rev 6:5} which will take place just before or at the beginning of the Great Tribulation. Because of the world’s present economic crisis the majority of people in the 40 poorest counties now have to pay a full day’s wages for a loaf of bread as per Rev 6:6. And if the world experiences a world-wide depression this event could occur in over 100 countries. The world economic crisis is rapidly accelerating. Many countries are far worse off than people in the USA during the Great Depression when there was 20 % unemployment. The world economic crisis is rapidly accelerating. There are now 40 countries with unemployment rates of over 20 % and this should rapidly increase. And then the world will certainly be looking for an Economic Savior such as 666 and his very deceptive False Prophet. They will be looking for someone who promises CHANGE!! If the Great Tribulation would begin in the near future is there a well-known, powerful world leader that may qualify to be the deceptive False Prophet of 666 who will promise CHANGE you can believe in!! Will this powerful world leader try to bankrupt the USA which will in turn cause a worldwide depression and cause the price of a loaf of bread to cost a full day’s wages??? The False Prophet is featured in Revelation 13:11-17; 16:13 19:20 & 20:10. Do Obama’s religious beliefs qualify him as a False Prophet?? Some insight into Obama’s “Christianity” comes from an interview he gave in 2004 to Chicago Sun-Times religion editor Cathleen Falsani for her book, “The God Factor: Inside the Spiritual Lives of Public People.” “I’m rooted in the Christian tradition,” said Obama. He then adds something most Christians will see as universalism: “I believe there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.” Jesus says of Himself, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” That sounds exclusive, but Obama says it depends on how this verse is heard. According to Falsani, Obama thinks that “all people of faith — Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone — know the same God. “Obama doesn’t believe he, or anyone else, will go to HELL. But he’s not sure he’ll be going to heaven, either.” The False Prophet will certainly teach that you can have your cake and eat it too, and that you will not go to HELL if you receive the Mark of the Beast, allowing you to buy or sell everything. However, Revelation 14:9:11; 19:20 & 20:10 confirm that he and all who receive the mark of the Beast will be tormented day and night forever and ever in HELL!! Obama told a crowd at Hocking College that he believes the Sermon on the Mount JUSTIFIES his support for legal recognition of same-sex unions?? Obama approves of same sex romantic and sexual relationships as do his former church, his pastor, and his former (So-called} Christian denomination?? The False Prophet should be hugely popular world-wide. Interesting fact: Obama has greater worldwide popularity than any leader in modern history according to a recent poll in Reader’s Digest and was also awarded the Nobel Peace Prize even though he did nothing to deserve it. Jesus is our Messiah and the Prince of Peace and is called the LAMB 27 times in the book of Revelation. The False Prophet is someone who is like a LAMB according to Rev 13:11b. People from all over the world including Louis Farrakhan {A Muslim leader} have already given Obama this interesting nickname: “THE MESSIAH”!! In a recent poll taken by BBC in September, 2009 about 66% of those polled around the world thought Obama would make a great World President!! 666 and his False Prophet will both be very proud of their accomplishments and have tremendous egos: Interesting fact: Obama has over 300 large photographs of himself in the West Wing of the Whitehouse and which are more personal photos than all the other USA presidents combined!! NOTE: There are many statues of the exact likeness of Nero Caesar including a 151 foot statue in the “Golden House” in Rome. The statue of Liberty {Without pedestal} is also exactly 151 feet high… hmmm. At the beginning of Great Tribulation the False Prophet of 666, Rev 13:14: “Will order the people of the earth to set up a statue in honor of the beast who was wounded {Fatally-Rev 13:3} by the SWORD and yet lived!” {Again} This statue of the Beast will be the “exact likeness” of Nero Caesar and could possibly be seen on World Wide TV so that people of all nations will be able to worship this statue as per Rev 13:15b. Obama’s Air Force 1 plane just had a photo op with the Statue of Liberty….Hmmm…. The face of the Statue of Liberty could easily be changed to look like Nero Caesar within a few days with a giant mask! 666 is called a BEAST 36 {6X6 times in Revelation and the False Prophet is also called a “BEAST” in Rev 13:11. Obama has nicknamed his presidential limousine “THE BEAST”!! In Revelation 13:11 the False Prophet is called the BEAST of the {PRESENT} EARTH. Whereas all true Christians are looking forward to a new heaven and NEW EARTH as per 2 Peter 3:13: “We are looking forward to a new heaven and a NEW EARTH the home of righteousness.” {See Rev 21:1} Obama is the all-time world’s greatest champion of EARTH day and saving the PRESENT EARTH from Global Warming, Greenhouse gasses, coal burning and carbon emissions and he may bankrupt the world in trying to achieve these goals. If you dial O-B-A-M-A on your touch phone the “O” + “M” are both 6’s or 6+6 and the 3 letters B + A + A are all 2’s or 2+2+2 which equals 6 for a grand total of 6+6+6 or 666. And so if you dial O-B-A-M-A you will dial 666!! And of course the name BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA HAS 18 LETTERS WHICH IS 6+6+6 OR 666. In Daniel 9:27 and Matthew 24:15 666 is called an “ABOMINATION”. In a recent Middle East tour Obama declared that the USA was “NOT a Christian nation!” I would tend to agree with Obama since with dominating majorities in the House, Senate and Supreme Court Obama are rapidly and surely turning this nation into an “OBAMANATION”!! In the Health Care bill passed on March 21st, 2010 Obama demonstrated that through skillful Satanic lies, deceit and bribery he can completely control the richest, most powerful “Christian??” nation of the world. In what political analysts termed a snub, Obama did not dine with Netanyahu as promised during their White House meeting in March and by keeping the talks closed to the media, denied him the courtesy of a photograph with the president. In addition Obama’s Vice President and Secretary of State took turns embarrassing and condemning the Israeli Prime minister. During the Great Tribulation 666 and his false prophet will be responsible for the death of 2/3 {Which is exactly 66.6 %} of the Jews in the world {Read Zechariah 13:8,9} and 144,000 Jewish evangelists who will be in Heaven with Jesus BEFORE the end of the Great Tribulation. {See Rev 7:4-8; 14:1-8} And so it is entirely possible that everything the future False Prophet does will be both abominable and OBAMAnable!! OBAMAnable now is Commander in Chief and has complete control of the most powerful armed forces in the world. WARNING: The possible identity of the future False Prophet of 666 is just a VERY interesting SPECULATION. Revelation 7:9,14,4: “There before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from EVERY nation, tribe, people and language {The Full number of Gentiles} standing before the throne in front of the Lamb….These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”…..”Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 {Evangelists} from the 12 tribes of Israel. It is possible that only Jews will be saved during the last months of the Great Tribulation after the Full number of Gentiles has come in. “Babylon” is called a CITY 7 times in Revelation, chapter 18, and a SEAPORT in Rev 18:17-19. Peter was inspired to call Rome “Babylon” in I Peter 5:13. Rome is a CITY and a SEAPORT built on 7 HILLS! Babylon and Jerusalem are not seaports and are not built on 7 hills! Rev 13:14-17: The False Prophet deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was {FATALLY-Rev 13:3} wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast {666}, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. He also forced everyone to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast {NERO CAESAR} or the number of his name {666}. And God will supply all the needs of His faithful and courageous Tribulation saints just as He miraculously supplied all the needs of the Israelites for 40 years in the wilderness. {See Matt 6:31-34} Rev 13:5-10: The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {Or 1260 days or time, times and 1/2 a time-See Dan 7:25 & Dan 12:1,2,6b,7b}….. He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast–all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb…. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints. Matt 24:9-12…Matt 24:29-31: Jesus says, “Then {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by ALL nations because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved… Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky.’ {Luke 21:28 adds, “When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!”} At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the **CLOUDS**{See Rev 1:7; Mark 14:62 & I Thess 4:16,17} of the sky, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud **TRUMPET**{See Rev 10:7; 11:15-18; I Cor 15:51,52; I Thess 4:16} call, and they will gather His elect from the 4 winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.” {Mark 13:27 adds, “From the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.” There will be 2 Comings of Jesus on the same Last Day: The first above was *FOR* His saints and then after the Marriage Feast of the Lamb Jesus will come *WITH* His saints as per Rev 19:6-8; 11,14,19-21: “Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns, Let us rejoice and be glad and give Him glory! For the Wedding of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready, fine linen, bright and clean was given her to wear…. I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose Rider is called Faithful and True… The armies of Heaven were following Him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean… Then I saw a beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the Rider on the horse and His army {See Rev 17:14 & Jude 14,15}. But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs and his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshipped his image. The two of them were thrown ALIVE into the fiery lake of burning sulfur {See 2 Thess 2:8}. The rest of them were killed by the sword that came out of the mouth of the Rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh. WILL THE CITY ON 7 HILLS OR ROME BE THE END-TIME BABYLON?? AND WHO ARE THE 7 KINGS FROM THE CITY BUILT ON 7 HILLS?? Most Bible scholars believe that the book of First Peter was written shortly after the beginning of Nero’s Roman persecution of Christians in AD 64 because of I Peter 4:12,13 & 5:8,9. We know that Peter and his wife were living in Rome at this time. Peter was inspired to write in I Peter 5:13: “She {Peter’s wife} who is in *BABYLON* {Nickname for *ROME*!} sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.” Apparently some Christians including Peter were inspired to call ROME “BABYLON” after Nero’s terrible persecution of Christians starting in AD 64. This is very interesting since the evil city of the End-Times is called “BABYLON” 6 times in Revelation 14:8; 16:19; 17:5; 18:2,10,21. Ancient Babylon Had destroyed God’s Holy Temple and God’s Holy City, Jerusalem; and killed, exiled and persecuted God’s people for 70 years. Actually all encyclopedias agree that Babylon was completely evacuated in 275 BC and completely destroyed by 141 BC. The Wikipedia encyclopedia states, “By 141 BC, when the Parthian Empire took over the region, Babylon was in complete desolation and obscurity.” The only question that remains is: Was Babylon rebuilt so that there could be people living in Babylon around AD 65 when Peter wrote 1 Peter 5:13??? Which leads us to the promises of God in Jeremiah 50:1-3,13: This is the word the Lord spoke through Jeremiah concerning Babylon..”Babylon will be captured… A nation from the north will attack her and lay waste her land. No one will live in it; both men and animals will flee away!” Jeremiah 52:52:61-64: When you get to Babylon, see that you read all these words aloud. Then say, “O Lord, you have said you will destroy this place, so that neither man nor animal will live in it; IT WILL BE DESOLATE FOREVER When you finish reading this scroll, tie a stone to it and throw it into the Euphrates. Then say, “So will Babylon SINK TO RISE NO MORE because of the disaster I will bring upon her.” And God ALWAYS keeps His promises. And God kept His promise for about 2284 years; since Babylon is still a pile of rubble to this very day, and will remain that way until the Last Day of the Planet Earth; for God always keeps His promises. The ruins of ancient Babylon are a tourist attraction in Iraq and the Iraqi government will not allow any of the ruins to be removed or built upon. If you check out the latest Iraqi Tour Guides you will notice the following statement: “Today, Babylon lies COMPLETELY in ruins. A large and splendidly carved stone lion is all that remains of its former glories.” “Babylon” {Nicknamed Rome by Peter} is a “GREAT SEAPORT” in Rev18:17-19; JUST LIKE ROME and UNLIKE Babylon whose ruins are NOW 4 miles from the very shallow Euphrates River; or Jerusalem which is 2000 to 3000 feet above sea level and 35 miles from the Mediterranean Sea. Babylon is also completely FLAT whereas the End-Time “Babylon” will be a city built on 7 Hills JUST LIKE ROME!! Rev 17:18: “The woman you saw {Rev 17:3–Who sits with the Beast with 7 heads} is the great *CITY* {Rome–nicknamed Babylon in I Peter 5:13–See Rev 17:5a} that will rule over the kings of the earth.” {During the Great Tribulation} Rev 17:9-11: “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The 7 heads are 7 hills on which the woman {Or city of Rome} sits.” Rome is a city built on 7 HILLS!! They {The 7 Heads} are also 7 KINGS {From the city on 7 hills or Rome}. Five {Of these 7 KINGS} have fallen {Or died before AD 96}, one {the 6th KING} *IS* {Or reigning when Revelation was written in AD 96}, the other {or 7th KING} has not yet come, but when he {The 7th KING} does come, he must remain for a little while. {Possibly the False Prophet of 666 {Or Black Horse Rider} who will be anointed by Satan just before the coming of the 8th KING {Or Pale Horse Rider} who ruled before as one of the 7 Kings} The beast {Nero Caesar who once was {Alive from Dec 15, AD 37 to June 9, AD 68}, and NOW {In AD 96} is not {Alive} is an 8th KING. He belongs to the 7 {KINGS}, because He once was {Alive-AD 37-68} NOW {In AD 96} is not {Alive}, and yet will come {1260 days before the Last Day}.” WHO ARE OR WILL BE THE 8 KINGS OF REVELATION 17:10,11?? ROME APPOINTED THE JEWISH KINGS AFTER THEY CONQUERED ISRAEL IN 63 BC AND THE 7 KINGS OF REV 13:1B all had “blasphemous names” so we can assume that they were evil kings who had killed or persecuted Jesus and His followers. And so the first 3 EVIL KINGS {Who are all called KINGS in God’s Word {See Matt 2:1; Mark 6:25,26 & Acts 12:1} were all Israeli KINGS {who had killed or persecuted Jesus and His followers} appointed by the evil city on 7 hills or Rome. AND SO THE 8 KINGS WERE OR WILL BE: ** {#1} ** Herod the Great who tried to kill the baby Jesus: Rev 12:3-5: “Another sign appeared in Heaven: An enormous red DRAGON {Or Satan-See Rev 12:9} with 7 heads {Or 7 KINGS-See Rev 17:10a}… and 7 crowns on his {7} heads {Satan crowns the 7 kings whereas 666 crowns the 10 horns}. The DRAGON {Or Satan} stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her Child the moment he was born {Thru his first evil king or Herod the Great as per Matt 2:13b,16!!} She gave birth to a Son {Jesus} a male Child, who will rule the nations with an iron scepter!!” **{#2}** Herod who killed John the Baptist and ridiculed and tortured Jesus {See Matt 14:1-12; Luke 23:7-11} **{#3}** Herod Antipas who killed the Apostle James and tried to kill Peter. {See Acts 12:1-5,19-23} **{#4}** Nero Caesar who will come again as the 8th KING who will be the BEAST of the End-Times. **{#5}** Titus Caesar who killed thousands of Christians when he destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70. Titus is also mentioned as a “Prince” in Daniel 9:26. Titus Caesar was the oldest son of Vespasian Caesar who was Caesar from Dec AD 69 to AD 79; and therefore heir and Crown *PRINCE* to the throne in Rome and was Caesar from AD 79 to AD 81. **{#6**}** Domitian Caesar the 6th KING {“NOW IS”} was ruling in AD 96, and decreed in the last year of his reign {Sept AD 95 to Sept AD 96} that everyone must worship former Roman Caesars {Like Nero} or be killed and put in prison.{Like the Apostle John who was living in Ephesus at that time.} **{#7}** Possibly the False Prophet of 666 who will be crowned the 7th evil King of Rome by Satan shortly before the coming of 666. **{8th}** KING or Nero Caesar {The End-Time Beast or antichrist}; who ruled before as one of the **7 KINGS** The 8TH KING who was also the 4TH KING will come up from the Abyss or Hell exactly 1260 days before the last Day to rule from the evil city on 7 hills or Rome. Rev 17:6: “The woman {ROME} will be drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bear testimony to Jesus.” While in Rev 13:7 we learn that the BEAST will be given “power to make war against the saints and to conquer them.” And in Rev 13:15b we read that 666 will “cause all who refuse to worship his statue to be killed.” We must therefore conclude that the evil city “on 7 hills” or Rome will be the HEADQUARTERS of 666 during the Great Tribulation. The BEAST will very quickly conquer 1/4th of the world with many miracles {See Rev 6:8; 13:4} and will then appoint 10 Kings who have never before ruled over the 10 most powerful nations of the world {See Rev 17:12-14,17}. The following 10 powerful nations have about 50% of the world’s population and ABOUT 70% OF THE WORLD’S MILITARY POWER and certainly have the military, political and “religious” power to control and rule all the nations of the world: #1. United States #2. Russia #3. China {1.3 Billion} #4. Great Britain #5. France #6. India {1.1 Billion} #7. Germany #8. Japan #9. Brazil #10. Egypt. Brazil borders every nation in South America except for Chile. Egypt is the university, intellectual and theological center of Islam. And then 666 will have “authority over every tribe, people, language and nation” as per Rev 13:7b, from his headquarters in the evil city built on 7 hills or Rome. DOES THE BIBLE GIVE US CLUES FOR THE EXACT DATES IN THE CHRONOLOGY OF JESUS CHRIST?? All encyclopedias state that Augustus Caesar died in August of AD 14 and therefore the 15th year of the reign of his successor, Tiberius Caesar, would have been from August of AD 28 to August of AD 29. Luke 3:1,2: “In the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar… the Word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the desert.” Now we know from Luke 3:1-3 above that John the Baptist began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius which most likely began on his 30th birthday according to OT Law {As per I Chron 23:3}. And we know from Luke 1:35-37 that John was 5 to 6 months older than Jesus. Luke 3:23: “Now Jesus Himself was as thirty years old when He began His ministry.” So if Jesus began His ministry on His 30th human birthday {As per OT Law} on or about December 2nd, AD 29 then John would have began his ministry 5 to 6 months earlier About June 2nd to July 2nd, AD 29 which would been in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar since the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar was completed in August of AD 29. We will show later that the 30th birthday of Jesus was about December 2nd, AD 29 and that He was baptized or Anointed 40 days earlier on October 23rd, AD 29. And that the Resurrection Day of our Lord Jesus was exactly 1260 days after His Anointing on October 23rd, AD 29 which would have been on April 5th, AD 33. Numbers 28:16: “On the 14th day of the 1st month the Lord’s Passover is to be held.” Exodus 12:6,7,12,13: “Take care of them {The Passover Lambs} until the 14th day of the month when all the people of Israel must slaughter them at Twilight {Just after sundown}. Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the doorframes of their houses. On that same night I will strike down the firstborn of the Egyptians… but when I see the blood I will PASS OVER you.” Deut 16:1: “Observe the month of ABIB and celebrate the PASS OVER of the Lord your God, because in the month of ABIB He brought you out of Egypt by night.” Luke 22:7,8: Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover Lamb “Had” to be sacrificed. Jesus said, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.” Christ became our Passover Lamb on Passover Day! 1 Cor 5:7: “For Christ our PASSOVER LAMB has been sacrificed.” Whereas the Jews {who were following the evil Babylonian moon calendar held their Passover on the 15th of Nisan which always occurs on the night of a full moon} observed the Passover on the wrong day as per John 18:28: “Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman Governor {Pilate}. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; for they wanted to be able to eat the PASSOVER!!” Which would have been the day “AFTER” Jesus correctly held the Passover on the 14th of ABIB which God has commanded. So we can assume that the month of ABIB is different from the Babylonian moon month of Nisan and therefore has nothing to do with the moon. So then when does the first month of the Bible Year called ABIB begin?? Some have speculated that it may begin of the first day of Spring which comes every March 21st. If you go to the Internet under {www.timeanddate.com/calendar} you will be able to find the calendar for the month of April AD 33 {Backspace and remove AD 2010 and type in AD 33}. You will observe that April 2nd, AD 33 was on a Thursday and that April 5th, AD 33 was on a Sunday. So it is quite possible that Jesus held the Passover right after Sundown on April 2nd, AD 33; was crucified on Friday, April 3rd, AD 33; and then was raised to life on Sunday, April 5th, AD 33. Then the 14th day of the first Bible month of ABIB or PASSOVER DAY would have begun on the 14th day after March 21st AD 33 {The first day of Spring}. This absolutely confirmed by the fact that there was a full moon {The 15th of Nisan} on April 3rd AD 33 {As per full moon footnote on calendar for April AD 33 proven by the exact science of Astronomy} which would have been the day AFTER Jesus correctly held the PASSOVER on the 14th of ABIB or at twilight on Thursday, April 2nd, AD 33. If the first day of ABIB was from sundown, March 20th, AD 33 to sundown March 21st, AD 33 then the 14th day of ABIB or Passover Day would have been from sundown, April 2nd, AD 33 to sundown, April 3rd, AD 33. And so our Lord’s Resurrection Day is always on the 16th of Abib; which is always on April 5th each and every year!! Actually Jesus was also in the grave 3 NIGHTS since from the 6th to the 9th hour {About 1PM to 4PM} on Friday, April 5th, AD 33 “The sun stopped shining and darkness came over the whole land” as per Luke 23:45 and Matthew 27:45. ***WILL THE REIGN OF 666 AND THE GREAT TRIBULATION LAST EXACTLY 1260 DAYS?? By comparing Revelation 12:6b and Revelation 12:14b we find that 1260 Days and Time {360 Days} Times {720 Days} and ½ a Time {180 Days} are the exact same period of time. Likewise, when we compare Revelation 13:5b with Daniel 7:25b we learn that 42 {30-day Bible} MONTHS and Time {12 Months}, Times {24 Months} and ½ a Time {6 Months} are also the exact same period of time. And therefore 42 {30-Day Bible Months} and Time, Times and ½ a Time are the exact same period of time since 42 X 30 days equal exactly 1260 days. 12 Months = 360 Days = {1 Time} 24 Months = 720 Days = {2 Times} 6 Months = 180 Days = {Half a Time} and therefore: 42 Months = 1260 Days = {3 and a Half Times} Almost all conservative Bible theologians agree that the 4th Beast of Daniel 7:7,19 is the *ROMAN* Empire. In Daniel 7:20,21 we learn that a little horn who is also called a *KING* in Daniel 7:24 will come from this *ROMAN* Empire. Daniel 7:24b,25-27: “A *KING* {From the *ROMAN* Empire–Nero Caesar??} will arise…. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints. The saints will be handed over to him for a Time, Times and ½ a Time.” {Which is also 42 {30-day} MONTHS or 1260 DAYS–*NOT* 7 years} “But the court will sit, and his {666 or the Roman King or the Beast-See Rev 19:20,21 and 2 Thess 2:8} power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. *THEN* the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole Heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His Kingdom will be an everlasting Kingdom.” Revelation 13:5,7a: “The Beast {Who was a *KING* from the “City on 7 hills”—Or *ROME*–See Rev 17:9-11,18} will utter proud words and blasphemies and will exercise his authority for *42 MONTHS* {Which is also 1260 days or Time, Times and ½ a Time–*NOT* 7 years}. *42* Jewish/Babylonian moon months have always been only 1239 days since 29.5 days X 42 months = 1239 days. {A new moon comes every 29 ½ days} And then in Daniel 12:1,2,6b,7b we learn that the resurrection of the saved and the lost will occur at the “END” of the Great Tribulation that will last for Time, Times and ½ a Time which is also 42 MONTHS or 1260 DAYS–*NOT* 7 years. FOR EXAMPLE: If the 1260-day Tribulation begins on October 23rd, 2010 then it must then end exactly 1260 days later or on April 5th, 2014 which would be the LAST DAY or RESURRECTION DAY or DAY OF THE LORD. Daniel 12:1B,2,6B,7B:“There will be a time of distress such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—EVERYONE whose name is found written in the Book—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake; some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt… It will be for a Time, Times and ½ a Time {Or 1260 days or 42 Months}. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken *ALL THESE THINGS {The 1260-day Great Tribulation immediately followed by the resurrection of the saved and lost} WILL BE *COMPLETED*!!” Isaiah 46:10a,11b: God says, “I make known the *END* from the beginning, from ancient times what is still to come… What I have said, that will I bring about, what I have planned that will I do!” NOTE: The prophecies and time periods found in Daniel 8:1-27 {1150 days or 2300 morning & evening sacrifices} & Daniel 10:11 to 11:45 & Daniel 12:11,12 {1290 & 1335 Days} were all completely fulfilled during the evil reign of Antiochus Epiphanes IV from 172 BC to 164 BC {See Macabees 1:10,44-64; 4:52,53} and have absolutely nothing to do with the time periods and prophecies of the 1260-Day Great Tribulation. Daniel 12:1-10 was an End-Time Prophecy parenthesis { } which did not include Daniel 11:45 nor Daniel 12:11,12. Almost all of the prophecies in the OT are a parenthesis { } in a text which had nothing to do with the prophecy. Now there are some who suggest that the Anti-Christ will exercise his authority for 7 years {Not 42 Months} and that the Great Tribulation will last 7 years {Not 1260 Days or 3 ½ Times}. They have only **ONE** Bible verse {Daniel 9:27—which they grossly misinterpret} to support this idea which absolutely contradicts God’s Divine Time Periods as found in Rev 13:5b, Dan 7:25b & Dan 12:7b. NOTE: According to Leviticus 25:8 a Sabbath ‘week’ is *7 YEARS and 7 times 7 YEARS or ‘weeks’ is a Jubilee or 49 years. I believe that the first half of Daniel’s 70th Week has already been completed since Jesus has already put an end to all meaningful sacrifices and offerings and made a New Covenant with many until the *MIDDLE* of the 70th WEEK when He was cut off but not for Himself {See Dan 9:26a & 9:27b}. Hebrews 10:8-10: When Christ came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire… Christ set aside the first {Covenant} to establish the second…we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” Hebrews 9:15: “Christ is the Mediator of a NEW COVENANT.” Those who wrongly believe in a 7-year Great Tribulation believe the “HE” who confirmed a Covenant with many and put an End to sacrifice and offering in Daniel 9:27a is the Anti-Christ of the End-Times and not Jesus. Daniel 9:27: “He {Jesus not 666} will confirm a Covenant with many for one 7. In the Middle of the 7 {Or after 3 & ½ Times or 1260 days from Oct 23rd, AD 29} He {Jesus} will put an End to sacrifice and offering {Or on April 3-5, AD 33}. {And then after a long pause} And on a wing of the temple he {The Anti-Christ} will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed {See Rev 19:20 & 2 Thess 2:8b} is poured out on him {Which will occur on the Last Day of the 1260-day Great Tribulation at the 2nd Coming of the Anointed One} Note: Since we know that the last half of the last 7 is exactly 1260 days then the first half of the Last 7 must also be 1260 days or Oct 23rd, AD 29 to April 5th, AD 33. NOTE: When you go from BC to AD you must deduct 1 year since there was NO year Zero. For example: Oct 23rd, 1 BC to Oct 23rd AD 1 was just 1 YEAR and not 2 years. Therefore, Oct 23rd, 455 BC to Oct 23rd, AD 29 would be exactly 483 years or 69 7’s since 455+29 = 484 minus 1 equals exactly 483 years or 69 7’s or WEEKS. Daniel 9:24: “70 7’s are decreed to *ANOINT THE MOST HOLY* {After 69 7’s or 483 years—The Anointed One then began teaching the New Covenant} *TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS* {Exactly 3 ½ Times or 1260 Days after His Anointing in the *MIDDLE* of the Last 7; the Anointed One put an end to all sacrifices for sin—See Dan 9:27a} *TO PUT AN END TO SIN AND BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS*.” {EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS will occur on the Last Day of the 70 7’s exactly 3 ½ Times or 1260 Days after the Abomination of Desolation comes up from the Abyss—See Dan 9:27} NOTE: About 280 years earlier God made this amazing prophecy in Isaiah 44:28: The Lord… says of *CYRUS*, “He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of JERUSALEM LET IT BE REBUILT!” This verse absolutely contradicts the Artaxerxes theory! Daniel 9:25,27: “From the issuing of the Decree {By Cyrus on October 23rd, 455 BC—See Isaiah 44:28 above} to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the ANOINTED ONE, the RULER, comes {Jesus was Anointed on Oct 23rd , AD 29} THERE WILL BE 7 7’S AND 62 7’S {Or 69 7’s or 483 years}… *HE* {The ANOINTED RULER} will confirm a Covenant with many for one 7 {This Covenant will not End until the Last Day of the Last 7 when the ANOINTED RULER, Jesus Christ, comes again}. In the MIDDLE of the 70th 7 {On April 3-5, AD 33 exactly 1260 days after His Anointing} *HE* {The ANOINTED RULER} will put an end to all {Meaningful} sacrifices and offerings {By His Atonement for sin}. {And then after a long pause the Last Half of the 70th Week will begin when}… “The Abomination of Desolation will come {Up from the Abyss or Hell-See Rev 11:7 & 17:8b} until the decreed end is poured out on him.” {By the Anointed Ruler {Jesus} exactly 1260 days later on the Last Day—See Rev 19:20; Dan 9:27b; 2 Thess 2:8b} And so the “FIRST HALF” of the 70th Week began at the Anointing of Jesus on Oct 23rd, AD 29; and ended 1260 days later in the “Middle of the 70th Week” on April 5th, AD 33 at the Resurrection of Jesus; when He completed our Atonement for sin by “Tasting Death” {See Heb 2:9b} for all who will be saved; and when He eliminated all other meaningful sacrifices and offerings for sin. Have you ever wondered why God selected the time period of 1260 Days for the Great Tribulation immediately before the 2nd Coming of Jesus and our resurrection?? It may very well be because Jesus went through 1260 days of Great Tribulation beginning with His 40 days of fasting and ending with His resurrection!! I Pet 2:21: “Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His steps.” As we have shown before Jesus became our High Priest and began His ministry on His 30th earthly birthday on December 2nd AD 29 {See Luke 3:23} as per OT Law {See I Chron 23:3} which was exactly 40 days after His Anointing or Baptism {See Luke 4:2 and Matt 4:2} on October 23rd, AD 29; which was exactly 1260 days before His resurrection on April 5th, {The 16th of ABIB} AD 33. And so the 30th birthday of Jesus was 40 days after October 23rd, AD 29 on or about December 2nd, AD 29. Jesus was 30 years old when he began his ministry {as per OT law} on his 30th birthday or on December 2nd, AD 29. Which would mean that Jesus would have been born on December 2nd, 2 BC since you must deduct 1 year going from BC to AD; since there was no year Zero. {Dec 2nd 1 BC to Dec 2nd AD 1 was just 1 year and not 2 years} If Jesus was born on December 2nd, 2 BC then He would have been circumcised on the 8th day or on December 10th, 2 BC and his parents would have taken him to God’s temple to offer a sacrifice 33 days later as per OT law {See Lev 12:3,4,6-8} which would have been on January 12th, 1 BC. The events that occurred when Joseph, Mary and Jesus went to God’s temple to offer a sacrifice are recorded in Luke 2:21-38. Joseph could have been warned by an angel that Herod the Great would try to kill Jesus as early as the evening of Jan 12th, 1 BC {See Matt 2:13-15} and Herod’s decree to kill all the children in the Bethlehem {See Matt 2:16} area could have occurred as early as Jan 13th, 1 BC. Now according to the exact science of astronomy there were 2 eclipses of the moon in this approximate time period on March 13th, 4 BC and on JANUARY 9th, 1 BC. According to the complete Works of Josephus, pages 363-365 we learn that Herod had erected a large golden eagle above the temple entrance which was against God’s law. Mathias and 40 Jews tore down this golden eagle and destroyed it; and they were captured and burned to the stake by order of Herod; and that night there was an eclipse of the moon. {On January 9th, 1 BC} Herod could have then ordered the death of all of the children 2 years old or younger on or about Jan 13th, 1 BC. Herod then became deathly sick because of his terrible sins, and went to his winter home in Jericho where he ordered that all the principal men of the Jewish nation should be burned alive. Herod also ordered the death of his own son Antipater who was to succeed him; and on the 5th day after the execution of his son; Herod the Great died. And so Herod the Great {Who tried to kill Jesus} would have died at least 10 days after January 9th, 1 BC when there was an eclipse of the moon in the Jerusalem area. Herod the Great would then have died about January 19th, 1 BC or shortly thereafter according to the historical account of Josephus, and therefore Jesus could have been born about December 2nd, 2 BC. The March 13th, 4 BC eclipse of the moon doesn’t work since then Jesus would have been 33 years old when he began his ministry which would contradict God’s Word in Luke 3:23: “Now Jesus Himself was as 30 years old {His human age} when He began His ministry.” On the Last Day of the 70th Week {Which is also the Last Day of the 1260-day Great Tribulation at the 7th & Last Trumpet} Jesus will give the saints of all ages their new heavenly bodies and they will then enjoy the marriage Feast of the Lamb. Immediately after the Marriage Feast of the Lamb {On the same Last Day of the Lord} Jesus will mount a great White Horse and His saints of all ages will follow Him on white horses. {See Rev 19:7,8,11-14; 17:14} They will conquer the Beast {666} and his armies, and the Beast {Nero Caesar or 666} will then be thrown back into the Abyss or Hell for all eternity. {See Rev 19:20; Dan9:27b; 2 Thess 2:8b}Revelation 3:3: Jesus said, “REMEMBER WHAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED; OBEY IT AND REPENT. BUT **IF** YOU DO NOT WAKE UP, I WILL COME LIKE A THIEF, AND YOU WILL NOT KNOW AT *WHAT TIME* I WILL COME TO YOU.” Wasn’t Jesus a Post-Trib Prophet when he never even mentioned the supposedly very important pre-trib, rapture, fairy tale in Matt 24:3-31 or Rev 5 to 19!! Rev 22:16: “I Jesus, have sent My angel to give *YOU*{The Greek for *YOU* is plural and therefore includes*ALL SAINTS*} this testimony {ALL OF REVELATION} *FOR THE CHURCHES*!” QUESTION: Will every saint present during the Great Tribulation have his name written in the LAMB’S BOOK OF LIFE and therefore be a member of the CHURCH of Jesus Christ?? ANSWER Revelation 13:8: “All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast > {Anti-Christ}…. ALL whose names have not been written in the LAMB’S BOOK OF LIFE!” The ONLY TIME that Paul mentions the Anti-Christ of Man of Lawlessness {Who will rule the world from Rome during the 1260-Day Tribulation} is in 2 Thess 2:3-9. 2 Thess 2:9: “The coming of the Lawless One will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders.” 2 Thess 1:1; 2:1,3,8: “To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians… Concerning the *COMING* of our Lord Jesus Christ and *OUR* being gathered to Him… Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for *THAT DAY* will not come *UNTIL* the Man of Lawlessness is revealed!!, the Man doomed to destruction… Then the Lawless One will be revealed whom the Lord Jesus Christ will destroy with the splendor of His *COMING*!” And so Paul absolutely confirms the *COMING* of the Lord Jesus will come on the *LAST DAY* of the Great 1260-day Great Tribulation when His *CHURCH saints will be gathered to Him! And Mark 13:11b absolutely contradicts the idea {From a wrong interpretation of 2 Thess 2:7} that the Holy Spirit will not be in the Tribulation saints. 2 Thess 2:6 paraphrased with obvious additions: “The reason that the Coming of the Man of Lawlessness is being held back: is that he may be revealed at the PROPER TIME.” Which would be exactly 1260 days before the *COMING* of our Lord Jesus Christ on the *LAST DAY*. John 6:40: “For my Father’s will is that EVERYONE who looks to the Son and believes in him will have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY!” There are some who wrongly believe that the LAST DAY mentioned 6 times in John 6:39,40,44,54; 11:24 & 12:48 refers to the first day of the Great Tribulation 1260 days or 7 years before the LAST DAY. While John 12:48 shows that the lost will also be condemned on that same LAST DAY! John 12:48: Jesus says, “There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the LAST DAY!” Some End-Time Groups who wrongly interpret Daniel 9:27a, and who believe in a 7-year Tribulation, {Starting with a New Jewish Temple} are now spreading false rumors that religious Jews are planning to tear down the Muslim Dome of the Rock in order to rebuild a Jewish Temple to Biblical specifications and will then REINSTUTE animal sacrifices??? However there are several big problems with this scenario: ** All 21 Arab Muslim nations including Pakistan which has many nuclear bombs would then immediately declare an all-out Holy War on Israel, and the Israeli government fully understands this. I know this for I was a missionary in Israel. A Jewish Temple built to Biblical specifications would then take at least 7 years to build during this continuous war with the 21 Muslim nations. And most of these same End-Time Groups also teach that a pre-trib rapture could occur TODAY {Not at leas
  22. Rick Warren’s church Saddleback is in my area. He’s been having political people come to his church since the 90’s. Does anyone remember the Debate between McCain and Obama at his Church? Did you know Rick Warren has made so much money off of his book “The Purpose Driven Life” he doesn’t have to take a salary, and tithes back to the church? Pretty good, uh? What does that book have to say. Here’s a web site that goes into detail all about Rick Warren.

  23. Exerpt from this web site on Rick Warren and other subjects:

    http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/1-purpose.htm

    Spirit-Led or Purpose-Driven? Part 1

    by Berit Kjos, November 2003
    Other articles on the Purpose Driven Movement

    Creating Community – Part 1: 40 Days of Change through Transformational Leadership
    Creating Community – Part 2: 40 Days of Change through a New Way of Thinking
    Warren’s P.E.A.C.E. Plan & UN Goals – Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3

    Picture: Saddleback Church campus. More pictures

    The rest of this series:

    Part 2: Unity & Community

    3: Small Groups and the Dialectic Process

    4: Dealing with Resisters

    5: Spiritual Gifts and Community Service

    Part 6: Social Change

    “There are some really good things and points that Rick Warren brings out. But they always seems to be mixed with so many confusing and theologically weak points that you go crazy trying to keep it all straight. You will read a great point and then he’ll throw in a quote from Mother Theresa or Aldous Huxley and your mind reels. There’s a push to paint God as a smiley face in the sky – but you have to ignore His justice and anger! Plus, when you are the only ‘naysayers’ in a group it gets old – especially when no one else seems to have anything but praise for the book.” David, a visitor to our website.

    “I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things….” 2 Timothy 4:1-5

    Our website began to receive requests for information about The Purpose Driven Life last year. So Andy and I bought the book, read it quickly and were troubled by some of its claims, promises and paraphrased “Bible” references. But we also found many true and encouraging pages. Since we didn’t want to criticize Rick Warren or confuse those who apparently were helped by his book, we left it on the shelf.

    By this fall, Rick Warren’s manual on the Christian life had become the topic of discussion in churches around the world. The letters from concerned visitors multiplied. After reading the book again, we could no longer ignore its subtle distortions, its half-truths, its conflicting messages or its pragmatic permissiveness: if it works (i.e. brings people into the church), it’s okay! “God loves variety!”[2]

    Nor could we accept Pastor Warren’s “rules for growth” which tells us to “never criticize what God is blessing.”[3] Implying that church growth and changed lives prove God’s delight in our human methods, it cancels His call to “be on guard” and to discern deception. Some may say, “don’t touch God’s anointed,” but we don’t believe any leader is so “anointed” that his teaching is beyond Biblical accountability. While only God can judge the heart of a person, we are called to help each other follow His guidelines, not be driven by today’s new management systems. [see Driven or Led?] Praying that God would guide us, we began our response with the following background information.
    As most of you know, Rick Warren, the founding pastor of Saddleback Church in Southern California, has been leading the way and breaking new ground in today’s Church Growth Movement. With over 50,000 names on his church roll, he models the success of the church management process he outlined in his earlier book, The Purpose-Driven Church.

    He also founded pastors.com, “a global Internet community that serves and mentors those in ministry worldwide.” This website tells us that “over 60,000 pastors subscribe to Rick Warren’s Ministry Toolbox, a free weekly email newsletter.”[4] Then it summarizes his ministry:

    “Rick Warren is well known as the pioneer of The Purpose-Driven Church paradigm for church health. More than 250,000 pastors and church leaders from over 125 countries have attended Purpose-Driven Church seminars in 18 languages. Peter Drucker calls him ‘the inventor of perpetual revival.’ Rick’s previous book, The Purpose-Driven Church, has sold over a million copies in 20 languages. Winner of the Gold Medallion Ministry Book of the Year, it is used as a textbook in most seminaries, and was selected as one of the 100 Christian Books That Changed the 20th Century.”[4]

    Notice the reference to Peter Drucker. What this legendary management guru began teaching large corporations decades ago has now been applied to God’s churches as well as to communities and governments around the world. Since the new methods seemed to “work” equally well for churches as for corporations — and since the measured results offer statistical “proof” of “success” — pastors from countless nations have embraced and implemented Drucker’s marketing approach to “doing church.”

    In a 2002 article in Business Week titled “Peter Drucker’s Search for Community,” Ken Witty describes the world view that drives Drucker’s plans and purpose:

    “He brings a communitarian philosophy to his consulting…. He said that what he’s all about is this search for community, the search for where people and organizations find community for non-economic satisfaction….

    “A lot of his ideas have become so accepted that it’s hard for anyone to understand how original they were at the time he introduced them. It’s sort of like Freud and psychoanalysis. Peter was the first, for example, to help managers understand that they had to define their businesses from a customer’s perspective.”[5]

    Focusing on the “customer’s perspective” brings success. People feel satisfied. They come and they buy. When this process is applied to churches, it works! With polls and surveys, a church can easily uncover the “felt needs” of the unbelievers in the local community — then target their services to their intended consumers. Pastor Warren learned that lesson early from Robert Schuller — the “possibility thinker” who called Mikhail Gorbachev a Christian despite the protests of this unrepentant Communist. The people-pleasing methods that worked so well at the Crystal Cathedral would prove just as effective at Saddleback.

    You might still wonder why pastors would focus on the felt needs of unbelievers rather than the true needs of God’s family. Doesn’t this strategy turn God’s principles upside down?

    Yes, but it also attracts the spiritual diversity needed for the dialectic process — the heart of today’s transformation in churches as well as in business, education, government and other organizations. Dr. Robert Klenck summarizes it in his report on “The 21st Century Church:”

    “…in this movement, it is imperative that unbelievers are brought into the church; otherwise, the process of continual change cannot begin. There must be an antithesis (unbelievers) present to oppose the thesis (believers), in order to move towards consensus.(compromise), and move the believers away from their moral absolutism (resistance to change). If all members of the church stand firm on the Word of God, and it’s final authority in all doctrine and tradition, then the church cannot and will not change. This is common faith. Soon, we will see why these “change agents” are pushing so hard for change to occur in the church.”

    Pastor Warren’s current tutor in this management process is CMS, a “full-service custom marketing and communications agency head-quartered in Covina, California.” It’s website shows its mission:

    “At CMS, we view it as our mission to help our clients grow their businesses. We do this by working with each client identifying opportunities and developing innovative, creative and profitable services which assist them in the execution of effective marketing, sales and communications program…. We are best able to serve clients when they allow us to act as partners…. CMS is made up of a team of talented individuals whose dedication and expertise have earned them a solid reputation for creating results.”[6]

    Shouldn’t we credit God, not clever marketing, with “creating results?” After all, the Bible tells us that the “wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.” Man’s “wise” ways may fit our human purpose, but they clash with God’s purpose. [1 Cor 3:19-20; Prov. 3:5-7]

    While CMS’ partners includes secular giants such as Quaker and Isuzu Motors America, it also serves clients such as the City of West Covina, “Purpose Driven Ministries,” “Saddleback Valley Community Church,” “Smalley Relationship Center” and “Walk Thru the Bible.”[7] The latter was founded and led by Bruce Wilkinson, author of the well marketed bestseller, The Prayer of Jabez.

    Part of CMS’ success lies in the surveys, polls and tracking that characterize the 21st Century management systems:
    “…collecting, organizing and managing data is essential to understanding, evaluating and planning of any successful promotion. That is why we developed our CMS Intelligent Redemption System. It is sophisticated proprietary software that allows us to program and initialize data…. Our purchasing standards and fulfillment procedures build-in tracking and accountability…. CMS Fulfillment Center specializes in direct mail projects, new product introductions, and promotion launches.”[8]
    No wonder curious visitors are flocking to Purpose-Driven churches. Small wonder pastors around the world are watching, listening, ready to follow.

    This fall, “over 13,000 ministers and students” heard Pastor Warren explain the ways of a purpose-driven church at SuperConference 2003, held at Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University. Speaking on ‘Attracting a Crowd to Worship,’ Warren shared some basic principles behind church growth. He aimed his words at those who were “stuck in the past:”

    “I believe that one of the major church issues [of the future] will be how we’re going to reach the next generation with our music,’ he said, admitting, ‘You can make more people mad with music than anything else in church….

    “To insist that all good music came from Europe 200 years ago; there’s a name for that – racism…. Encourage members to re-arrange and rewrite. New songs say God is doing something awesome.”[9] Emphasis added
    Do they? Or might the new songs reflect man’s desire to please the crowds? It’s all too easy to justify our attempts to meet “felt needs” and demonstrate success. We simply reinvent God’s character and will, claiming that our purpose is His purpose. Assuming that He loves the same things we love, we assign Him an image more like our own. But in Psalm 50:21, God warns us against such shortsighted assumptions about God’s nature. “You thought that I was altogether like you,” He told His people, “but I will rebuke you….”

    Pastor Warren again claimed divine approval during a “Building a Purpose-Driven Church” seminar held at Saddleback Community Church in January, 1998. Basing church growth strategies on personal wants, not on the guidelines of God’s Word, he said,

    “Now, at Saddleback Church, we are unapologetically contemporary… I passed out a three-by-five card to everybody in the church, and I said, ‘You write down the call letters of the radio station you listen to.’ I wasn’t even asking unbelievers. I was asking the people in the church, ‘What kind of music do you listen to?’ When I got it back, I didn’t have one person who said, ‘I listen to organ music.’ Not one…. So, we made a strategic decision that we are unapologetically a contemporary music church. And right after we made that decision and stopped trying to please everybody, Saddleback exploded with growth….

    “I’ll be honest with you, we are loud. We are really, really loud on a weekend service…. I say, ‘We’re not gonna turn it down.’ Now the reason why is baby boomers want to feel the music, not just hear it…. God loves variety!”[2]

    Does God really love today’s cultural “variety?” I doubt that God is pleased when we feed our cravings and strengthen our “need” for emotional stimuli. When ancient Israel became bored with God’s Word and embraced a wide variety of cultural and spiritual thrills, God disciplined them severely. He even compared his wayward people with a “wild donkey… that sniffs at the wind in her desire.” Jeremiah 2:24

    When church leaders use energizing music, emotional stimuli and short, light messages to satisfy the flesh with its “felt needs,” they tend to obscure our deeper spiritual needs. Fed a diet of simplified sermons designed to please everyone, both seekers and believers may lose their appetite for the solid Biblical teaching which — by His Spirit — produces conviction of sin, genuine repentance, actual regeneration, true spiritual renewal and the continual joy of walking with Jesus.

  24. ‘Evangelical Christians’ now thanking Allah?
    ‘Islamic Antichrist’ author attacks church commitment to Ramadan

    Leaders of the “emergent church” movement within evangelical Christianity are “observing” the Muslim month of Ramadan, writes the author of the bestselling new book, “The Islamic Antichrist,” which contends that the Beast of Revelation is most likely to emerge from within the Muslim world.

    “This year, a group of “Emergent Christians,” led by one of the United States’ most influential pastors, Brian McLaren have announced they will actually be ‘observing’ the Muslim holy month, along with a Muslim ‘partner,'” writes Joel Richardson in a WND commentary today.

    “Ramadan is the month that Muslims thank Allah, their god, for revealing the Quran to Muhammad, their prophet. On McLaren’s personal blog, he recently announced his intentions: ‘We, as Christians, humbly seek to join Muslims in this observance of Ramadan as a God-honoring expression of peace, fellowship, and neighborliness.'”

    Richardson questions whether such an “observance” is actually tantamount to an endorsement of Islam.

    He points out: “Every year, during the ninth month on the Islamic calendar, the Muslim world celebrates a month long fast known as Ramadan. The timing of the fast in the month of Sha’aban is specifically intended to commemorate the month in which the Quran was ‘sent down’ or ‘revealed’ to Muhammad. During Ramadan, Muslims will abstain from smoking or drinking, from sex or sexual thoughts and eating during the daylight hours. Muslims also believe that good deeds done during Ramadan will be doubly credited before Allah.”

    Richardson adds that McLaren is not fasting for the salvation of his Muslim friends.

    “Instead he is seeking through the practice of this Islamic ritual to promote ‘the common good, together with people of other faith traditions,'” he writes.

    “The Islamic Antichrist” is the No. 1 e-book in America at Scribd.com and No. 1 at Amazon in two religion categories. It’s also the No. 1 bestseller at the WND Superstore, where it is exclusively offered autographed at no extra charge.

    “The Bible abounds with proofs that the Antichrist’s empire will consist only of nations that are, today, Islamic,” says Richardson. “Despite the numerous prevailing arguments for the emergence of a revived European Roman empire as the Antichrist’s power base, the specific nations the Bible identifies as comprising his empire are today all Muslim.”

    Richardson believes the key error of many previous prophecy scholars involves the misinterpretation of a prediction by Daniel to Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel describes the rise and fall of empires of the future, leading to the end times. Western Christians have viewed one of those empires as Rome, when, claims Richardson, Rome never actually conquered Babylon and was thus disqualified as a possibility.

    It had to be another empire that rose and fell and rose again that would lead to rule of this “man of sin,” described in the Bible. That empire, he says, is the Islamic Empire, which did conquer Babylon and, in fact, rules over it even today.

    Many evangelical Christians believe the Bible predicts a charismatic ruler, the Antichrist, will arise in the last days, before the return of Jesus. The Quran also predicts that a man, called the Mahdi, will rise up to lead the nations, pledging to usher in an era of peace. Richardson makes the case these two men are, in fact, one and the same.

    In “The Islamic Antichrist,” Richardson, a student of Islam, exposes Western Christians to the Muslim traditions. He says most Christians have no idea of the stunning similarities between biblical Antichrist and the “Islamic Jesus.”

  25. I guess they are planning on building a mosque in New York City near Ground Zero.

    NOT YOUR FATHER’S AMERICA
    Obama adviser: U.S. ‘ideal place for renewal of Islam’
    Religion aide closely linked to imam seeking to build Ground Zero mosque
    Posted: July 20, 2010
    9:00 pm Eastern

    By Aaron Klein
    © 2010 WorldNetDaily

    Eboo Patel
    A religion adviser to President Obama has close ties to the imam who wants to build a 13-story Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero. The two have been documented together discussing America as “the ideal place for a renewal of Islam,” WND has learned.

    In February, Obama named a Chicago Muslim, Eboo Patel, to his Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. Patel is the founder and executive director of Chicago-based Interfaith Youth Core, which says it promotes pluralism by teaming people of different faiths on service projects.

    Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the controversial Muslim leader behind the plan to build the Islamic center and mosque two blocks from Ground Zero, wrote the afterword to Patel’s 2006 book, “Building the Interfaith Youth Movement: Beyond Dialogue to Action.”

    Patel is listed as one of 15 “Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow” on the website for the American Society for Muslim Advancement, which is led by Rauf.

    In Patel’s 2007 book, “Saving Each Other, Saving Ourselves,” he recounts discussing with Rauf the future of Islam in the U.S.

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    Rauf “understood the vision immediately and suggested that I visit him and his wife, Daisy Khan, at their home the following evening,” Patel recalled.

    Khan founded the society with her husband and has aided him in his plans for the mosque near Ground Zero.

    “The living room of their apartment on the Upper West Side was set up like a mosque, with prayer rugs stretched from wall to wall,” wrote Patel in his book.

    Continued Patel: “I arrived at dusk, prayed the maghrib prayer with Daisy and Imam Feisal and then talked with them about how America, with its unique combination of religious devotion and religious diversity, was the ideal place for a renewal of Islam.”

    “In the twentieth century, Catholicism and Judaism underwent profound transformations in America,” Rauf observed. “I think, this century, in America, Islam will do the same.”

    Patel boasts of a “critical mass” of Muslims in the U.S.

    “Islam is a religion that has always been revitalized by its migration,” he wrote. “America is a nation that has been constantly rejuvenated by immigrants. There is now a critical mass of Muslims in America.”

    Patel last March wrote a Huffington Post piece referring to Obama’s former “green jobs” czar Van Jones as a “faith hero.”

    “In my last post on Van, I called him an American patriot,” wrote Patel. “That is high praise in my book. But watching Van’s speech at the NAACP, I have another title for him, one that I reserve for the true giants of history. Van Jones is a faith hero.”

    Jones resigned in September after it was exposed he founded a communist revolutionary organization and signed a statement that accused the Bush administration of possible involvement in the Sept. 11 attacks. Jones also called for “resistance” against the U.S.

    Jones previously stated his advocacy for green jobs was part of a broader movement to destroy the U.S. capitalist system.

    WND reported that one day after the Sept. 11 attacks, Jones led a vigil that expressed solidarity with Arab and Muslim Americans as well as what he called the victims of “U.S. imperialism” around the world.

    Rauf, meanwhile, has caused a stir with his proposed $100 million, 13-story Islamic cultural center and mosque near the corner of Park Place and West Broadway.

    Rauf sparked controversy earlier this month when he refused during a live radio interview to condemn violent jihad groups as terrorists. Rauf repeatedly refused on the air to affirm the U.S. designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization or call the Muslim Brotherhood extremists.

    The Brotherhood openly seeks to spread Islam around the world, while Hamas is committed to Israel’s destruction and is responsible for scores of suicide bombings, shootings and rocket attacks aimed at Jewish civilian population centers.

    During the interview, Rauf was also asked who he believes was responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.

    “There’s no doubt,” stated Rauf. “The general perception all over the world was it was created by people who were sympathetic to Osama bin Laden. Whether they were part of the killer group or not, these are details that need to be left to the law-enforcement experts.”

    Rauf has been on record several times blaming U.S. policies for the Sept. 11 attacks. He has been quoted refusing to admit Muslims carried out the attacks.

    Referring to the Sept. 11 attacks, Rauf told CNN, “U.S. policies were an accessory to the crime that happened. We (the U.S.) have been an accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. Osama bin Laden was made in the USA.”

    Madeline Brooks, a reporter who attended a sermon this year by Rauf, quoted the Islamic leader as stating “some people say it was Muslims who attacked on Sept. 11.”

    Rauf’s 2004 book had two different titles, one in English and the second in Arabic. In the U.S., his book was called “What’s right with America is what’s right with Islam.”

    The same book, published in Arabic, bore the name “The Call From the WTC Rubble: Islamic Da’wah From the Heart of America Post–Sept. 11.”

    With research by Brenda J. Elliott

  26. Forgot the web site:

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=181865

    http://www.prophezine.com/PZArticles/TheIslamicEndTimeParadigmByJoelRichardson/tabid/931/Default.aspx

    The Islamic End Time Paradigm
    By Joel Richardson

    How many of you are aware of the fact that there is presently a massive paradigm shift-taking place in the world of Biblical Prophecy? The shift that is talking place is away from the Roman End-Time Paradigm with its European-centric perspective and toward the Islamic End-Time Paradigm with its Middle Eastern focus. In brief, the Roman End-Time Paradigm holds that the Antichrist, his religion and his empire will emerge from out of the former Roman Empire, the focus of which is most often centered on the EU. The Islamic End-Time Paradigm holds that the Antichrist, his religion and his empire will emerge from out of the Middle East. While the more general Roman End-Time Paradigm has indeed been the majority position down throughout Church History, over the past forty or so years, and most specifically since the advent of the European Union, the eyes of the majority of Evangelicals have been turned toward Europe.

    Allow me to introduce myself: My (pen) name is Joel Richardson and I am the author of Antichrist: Islam’s Awaited Messiah, a comparative analysis of Islamic and Biblical eschatology and the co-author with Walid Shoebat of a revolutionary new book, God’s War on Terror: Islam, Prophecy and the Bible. In this monumental new book, Walid and I offer devastating evidence that the majority of today’s teachers and students of the End-Times have been looking in completely the wrong direction. I understand that this is quite a statement to make, and of course, unless the Scriptures back us up, these claims amount to nothing. I assure you however, that after carefully considering the exhaustive Scriptural evidences that we present for an Islamic Antichrist and Empire, you will be making the paradigm shift yourself. While I have to defer you to the actual book for a more thorough convincing, I can nevertheless begin to wet the appetite of all serious Bereans.

    Where to begin?

    When we are attempting to get a bird’s eye view—the larger picture of what the Bible truly says about the End-Times, the first question that should be asked is this: Where do we begin? And in fact, this is perhaps one of the biggest reasons that so many have erred in their quest to accurately understand what saith the Scriptures on this matter; they begin in all the wrong places. Whenever I speak or teach on the subject of the End-Times, the first rule that I always mention when establishing some basic rules for responsible End-Time Hermeneutics is this: When you begin to approach the Bible in order to properly understand what it is saying about the End-times, you do not begin with the Book of Revelation! Yet everyday, many very good students and teachers alike will make this mistake again and again. The Book of Revelation, unlike any other book in the New Testament literally oozes with direct citations, references, allusions, and even more subtle echoes of dozens upon dozens of passages throughout the Old Testament. The Book of Revelation is so thoroughly founded upon the Old Testament that one cannot even begin to understand this book without first understanding the numerous passages that this book is founded upon. So rule number one is that you do not begin with what comes last, rather you begin with what comes first! Begin with the foundation. I know, now many of you are saying that we should begin with the Book of Daniel, right? Wrong. When attempting to understand a subject that is so vast and complex, you do not begin with passages that are allegorical, highly symbolic or difficult to interpret in general. Instead you begin with that which is clear, direct, and literal. Where you begin will always help determine where you end up. So as you are beginning to form assumptions that you will carry with you to numerous other passages, you must begin with passages that are clear, direct, and literal. This way the assumptions that you begin with are solid, thus providing a solid foundation of understanding to rely on as you approach the more difficult, questionable, or highly symbolic or allegorical passages. So you begin with what comes first (rule number one) and you begin with what is literal, clear, direct and easy to understand (rule number two). Does this sound fair, responsible and reasonable so far? Good. Now observing these two rules, let’s look at just a couple of passages and begin to lay a proper Biblical foundation for understanding the true nature of the Last-Days.

    The Return of Christ in The Old Testament

    Lets go all the way back to the Torah and let’s look at one of the oldest, the most direct and one of the clearest prophecies regarding the coming of the Messiah. You’ll be surprised at what you discover. This is the story of Balaam and Balak. Balak of course was the Midian King and Balaam was a Midianite Prophet of Baal. Balak had paid Balaam to speak a curse over the Hebrews who were camped out in a vast array in a large valley below. As Balak and Balaam stood together on a large precipice overlooking the Hebrew camp below, something powerful happened. Rather than speaking according to the demonic spirit of Baal, Balaam instead began to speak according to the Spirit of God. What he said should be very important to all of us who desire to know the truth regarding the nature of the End-Times. The passage begins with Balaam speaking words to Balak that Balak most certainly did not want to hear:

    “…come therefore, and I will advertise thee what this people (The Hebrews) shall do to thy people (The Midianites) in the latter days. —Numbers 24:14 (KJV)

    What needs to be pointed out however, is that while most translations say something here like, “in the latter days”, the literal meaning is, “the end of days” (‘achariyth yawm see also Isaiah 2:2; Genesis 49:1; Micah 4:1; Daniel 10:14). If you are a good Berean, look it up to see if what I am saying is true. So Balaam is about to tell Balak what the Hebrew peoples will do to the Midianites in the End-Times. The chronological context of this prophecy is quite clear. But it is what he says next that we need to pay very close attention to. In one of the clearest and most direct Messianic prophecies of the Torah, it is Balaam the pagan prophet of Baal who gives us a glimpse into some of the specifics regarding the nature of the return of Christ:

    “I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth. And Edom shall be a possession, Seir also shall be a possession for his enemies; and Israel shall do valiantly. Out of Jacob shall come he that shall have dominion, and shall destroy him that remaineth of the city.” —Numbers 24:17-19 (KJV)

    Jesus Christ, the ruler of Israel will arise from among His people. As believers, we know that when Christ came the first time, His kingdom was inaugurated. But that which He has already inaugurated, He will also come back to establish visibly and physically on the earth. This will be accomplished at His second coming. But of all of the things that the Lord could have highlighted regarding His return (remember the context is the End-Times) what is it that the Lord focuses on? What is the primary action and mission of the Messiah as described in this prophecy?

    · He will smite (on the head, to shatter) Moab.
    · He will destroy the sons of Sheth (the sons of tumult, see Jeremiah 48:45)
    · He will have dominion over His people Israel, who shall act valiantly.
    · He will cause Edom and Mount Seir to become the possession of Israel.
    · He shall destroy the remnant of Israel’s enemies.

    It is important that we understand exactly whom the Lord is speaking about here. By speaking of the Midianites, the Moabites, the Edomites and Mt. Seir all together in an essentially synonymous way, the Lord is pointing us to the Baal worshipping pagans of the desert that lived to the east and south of modern day Israel. While the primary capital cities of these peoples were largely in modern day Jordan, Egypt and northern Saudi Arabia, their greater kingdoms extended all the way down the west coast of the Arabian Peninsula. See the map below:

    Now, at this point, the responsible Berean must ask the following questions: When the Lord returns, the Bible says that He will destroy a certain people. Based on this passage, is it more reasonable and responsible to conclude that Jesus will crush the modern day spiritual and physical ancestors of the ancient eastern peoples that were continually giving trouble to the Hebrew people all throughout Biblical history, or is it more reasonable to conclude that this passage is speaking about France, Germany, Romania and Luxembourg, etc.? By Moab, Edom and Midian, should we understand this passage to be referring to Italy or to modern day Saudi Arabia, and all of the peoples who are the spiritual and physical ancestors of the peoples who fourteen hundred years ago, burst forth out of Mecca, Arabia to spread their Arab-Islamic religion and empire throughout much of the world? I think that the answer is clear, yet I have yet to see one serious treatment of this passage or dozens of others just like it in any of my fairly substantial collection of prophecy books. And there lies the problem; when one begins with the false assumptions of the Roman End-Time Paradigm, one is then forced to ignore or twist numerous other portions of Scripture to make them fit this un-Scriptural paradigm. This passage most often is in the category of ignored.

    Now let’s move on into the prophets to look at another very clear, very literal and very direct passage that is also often ignored by the Roman End-Time Paradigm. Remember when the Herod came to the Jewish religious leaders and asked them where the Messiah was to be born? The answer that they gave him was Bethlehem. This was based of course, on the famous Messianic prophecy found in Micah 5:

    But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. —Micah 5:2 (KJV)

    Once again, Scripture has provided us a very straightforward Messianic prophecy. So the question needs to be asked once again: According to this passage, what is the primary mission and action of the Messiah once He returns? The answer is seen quite clearly in the verses that follow.

    And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. —Micah 5:4-6 (KJV)

    According to this passage, the primary action of this Bethlehem-born Messiah is that He would lead the Israelites in a victorious battle against the invading armies of “the Assyrian.” Clearly this did not occur during the earthly ministry of Jesus. This is clearly a description of what will happen at the return of Christ. The Assyrian is simply another name for the Antichrist.
    So again, is it more responsible and reasonable, based on this passage, for us to conclude that the Assyrian / Antichrist will emerge from the regions of the former Assyrian Empire, or is it more reasonable to conclude that the Antichrist will come from Europe?

    Is it more reasonable for us to conclude that the Antichrist will be a leader from the Middle-East or it is more reasonable for us to conclude that the Antichrist will be someone like Nicolai Carpathia from Romania as is speculated in the very popular Left Behind series? I think that the answer is quite clear.

    In God’s War on Terror, Walid and I discuss dozens upon dozens of passages just like this one. Every passage points clearly to the same peoples, and the same region. The Roman End-Time Paradigm strains to deal with such passages—it is forced to either ignore or twist such passages in order to make them conform to its prophetic worldview. The result is always confusion and inconsistency.

    The Four Passages That Have Led To The Roman End-Time Paradigm

    I want to make it very clear that neither Walid nor myself take the idea of challenging such a widely held paradigm lightly. Not only has this been the primary End-Time paradigm down throughout much of Church History, but I myself also held to this belief for quite a few years. It took me much prayer, and much study to even begin to consider otherwise. The four primary passages that I clung to most fervently in this mistaken interpretation were the following:

    · Daniel 2: Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream of a Metal Statue
    · Daniel 7: Daniel’s Vision of Four Beasts
    · Daniel 9: The People of the Prince to Come
    · Revelation 17: The City on Seven Hills

    In God’s War on Terror, Walid and I deal with each of these passages in great detail and absolutely shatter the notion that they are pointing us to anything other than an Islamic Middle-Eastern End-Time Empire.

    Perhaps the most amazing and confirmatory aspect of the Islamic End-Time Paradigm is that it so fluidly reconciles every relevant passage throughout the Bible regarding the End-Times and seamlessly brings them all together to paint a very clear picture—a picture that we are seeing emerge right before our eyes today in the Middle East. Not a single passage is ignored. Nor is a single one of our interpretations strained.

    What You Will Learn From God’s War on Terror:

    · The nature of the return of Christ as portrayed throughout the Old Testament.

    · The Jerusalem, Israel and Middle Eastern focus of all Biblical Prophecy.

    · How to break away from a Western-centric mentality when examining the End-Times passages of the Bible.

    · How to gain an Eastern mind-set when examining the various End-Times passages of the Bible.

    · How every nation that the Bible specifies for judgment at the end of the age is a Muslim nation.

    · How the Bible never mentions a single European nation with reference to God’s judgment at the return of Christ.

    · The numerous ways in which Islam’s Messiah is identical to the Biblical Antichrist.

    · The numerous ways in which the Bible’s Messiah is identical to Islam’s Antichrist.

    · The numerous “anti-parallels between Biblical and Islamic eschatology.

    · The real identity and timing of the Gog and Magog coalition and its Last-Days assault against the nation of Israel.

    · The premiere nation to watch with reference to the emergence of the Antichrist.

    · The true identity of the Great Harlot of Revelation 17 and 18.

    · The truth regarding the name, the number, and the mark of the Beast.

    · How numerous world events and trends are all merging together to confirm the Biblical template of the End-Times.

    · Much, much more…

  27. Here’s just another of many videos demonstrating that the attack of 9/11 is having just the opposite effect on Americans. Instead of people turning against Islam they are turning to Islam. Christian’s Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  28. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_(film)

    Loose Change (2005, 2006, 2007, 2009) is a series of films written and directed by Dylan Avery, and produced by Korey Rowe, Jason Bermas and Matthew Brown. The latest edition is narrated by Daniel Sunjata, and exclusively distributed by Microcinema International. The films argue that the September 11, 2001 attacks were planned and conducted by elements within the United States government, and base the claims on perceived anomalies in the historical record of the attacks. The first film, Loose Change, was originally released through the creators’ own company, Louder Than Words, and received widespread attention after Loose Change 2nd Edition was featured on a Binghamton, New York local FOX affiliate, WICZ-TV (FOX 40).[1]

    • Osama bin laden admitted to committing 911.

      People are so after falsehood now, that they reject the obvious truth, and thirst after lies.

      I have no problem with understanding the details. Crack pots have taken advantage of the trauma of the victims and families, who were easy prey for conspiracy theories.

      The Muslims even admitted to this, and celebrated the event.

      What other evidence do people want. they want to follow their confused feelings, instead of obvious facts.

  29. You and I are never going to agree on this. I’m really not trying to convince you. I’m glad you allow others to posts their views and make up their minds. According to the above video 42% of Americans believe 9/11 was done by our own government. That’s a significant number. Just like no one believes John F. Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald.

    • HI kitti

      I do not go by other people think.

      Those 42% probably voted for Obama too.

      But carry on. I still believe in free speech, even though the government doesn’t.

  30. People are finally waking up. We’ve been such suckers with our money in this country. If that what is takes to get us on our knees. Larry Bates is predicting the collapse could be as soon as 18 months.

  31. I have been really upset with Rick Warren and Saddleback Church, but I am glad Calvary Chapel took a stand on him and his book “The Purpose Driven Life”.

    If anyone’s interested where I get my doctrine I go to a church that teaches verse by verse, chapter by chapter from Genesis to Revelation.

    http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/spirituality/lighthousetrails/09/5-Calvary-Chapel.htm

    http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/ccoakland.htm

    As Calvary Chapel pastors across North America prepare to attend this year’s annual pastors conference starting Monday, many in the church at large are watching and waiting to see if Calvary’s recent Position Paper on the emerging church movement will have a meaningful impact. The position paper, issued after evidence surfaced that some Calvary Chapel pastors were endorsing and promoting the emerging church movement, stated that Calvary Chapel was rejecting the emerging movement including the contemplative and mystical aspects of it. The paper said that those Calvary churches that were teaching and/or promoting emerging should no longer be affiliated with Calvary Chapel.

    The decision to issue such a position paper was not easy, according to sources we spoke with. Chuck Smith Sr. (founder of Calvary Chapel) is the “spiritual father” to many Calvary pastors and such a severance would have significant consequences. For instance, his own son, Chuck Smith Jr. (a Calvary pastor), is among those who have apparently turned toward the emerging church. According to statements made recently by Chuck Smith Jr, his Capo Beach Calvary Chapel is no longer a part of Calvary Chapel: “Officially, we have withdrawn from the Calvary Chapel affiliation.” It is expected that other Calvary Chapel pastors may follow suit because of the new position paper.

    Lighthouse Trails Publishing has done extensive research on the contemplative and emerging church movements and found that most ministries and Christian organizations that are promoting these New Age belief systems (contemplative and emerging) are not turning away from them even after they have been made aware of the concerns and dangers. While a few Christian leaders such as John MacArthur have stood firmly against these mystical movements, Calvary Chapel may be the first large ministry that has been directly influenced to actually denounce the false teachings of these movements. If Calvary Chapel stands firm on defending the gospel message and rejecting these heretical doctrines, it may be setting a precedent for other Christian ministries to do likewise. With organizations such as Purpose Driven, Zondervan, NavPress publishers, Willow Creek and Renovare all promoting contemplative spirituality and with many other ministries appearing to head that way, it is becoming less and less popular to do what Calvary Chapel has done. But it is a time in history when compromising the integrity of the gospel could actually help to unfold the greatest spiritual deception Christianity has ever seen. May God help Calvary Chapel pastors and the pastors of the body of Christ at large to stand, not for the false christs and false doctrines of this world, but for the Savior and Light of the world, Jesus Christ.
    May the apostle Paul’s exhortation to the church be ours also:

    “And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.” I Corinthians 2:1-2

    IMPORTANT REPORT BY UNDERSTAND THE TIMES, ROGER OAKLAND

    Roger Oakland, of Understand The Times, has been ministering to Calvary Chapel pastors around the world for 20 years. As Roger has observed the growing influence of contemplative and emerging in both Calvary Chapel churches and the body of Christ, he believes what we are witnessing in much of evangelicalism today is a subtle return to Roman Catholicism. Roger has counted the cost as he has continued to speak up and warn the church, often being criticized for his stand. On the eve before Calvary Chapel pastors head to California for their annual meeting, Roger has written a powerful and important report that we are presenting to you now:

    http://understandthetimes.org/commentary/c46.shtml

  32. I admit I probably have spent more time scanning the political scene than I have on the Bible. I’m guilty of that. I need to get my theology down pat, so I won’t get shook up again.

    • Kitti

      It is good that your church is taking a stand. Somehow, the bible is not exciting enough and people look elsewhere. They need to go deeper into the Word to find “excitement,” not get lost at sea on a mystical trip.

  33. It’s really frustrating these days. It seems like everyone is pedaling their books and CD’s to make a buck off the end times. I guess that’s why if it isn’t free I don’t buy or go to it. Here’s a sad commentary on Larry Bates. And yes, he’s speaking in our area Nov 6th and I was planning on going. I just want to be on the same page as other believers. I don’t think anyone is praying enough (including myself) and relies on politics and government too much. They take everything that is going on as if it were a cycle and things are going to turn around and be okay as they always have. There’s so many crooked people out there.

  34. http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/08/12/larry-bates-offers-his-prescription-for-end-times-woes-buy-silver/

    http://unreportedworldnews.com/?p=278
    http://unreportedworldnews.com/?p=223

    Larry Bates offers his prescription for End Times woes: buy and eat silver
    Erich Vieth | August 12, 2007 | Comments (337)
    Once in a while, I tune into KJSL, a St. Louis Christian talk radio station. I do this as part of a conscious effort to make myself listen to people with views that are dramatically different from my own. Perhaps I will understand those views better if I take the time to listen more.

    While I was driving last week, the station featured a show called “News and Views,” hosted by a man named “Dr. Larry Bates.” The host repeatedly painted the future of the US as bleak, thanks to irresponsible financial policies by the federal government. Because I have some sympathy with that general conclusion, I continued to listen. It turned out that Bates was predicting the imminent financial collapse of the United States. Although I doubted that conclusion, I continued to listen.

    Bates then indicated that he is also a big proponent of religious “End Times.” In short, he believes that Jesus will soon be returning to Earth in order to sort things out. I have no sympathy for this religious view. In fact, I find End Times beliefs to be irresponsible and destructive for the numerous reasons. For example, I do not hold the Bible to be inerrant. Based on my study of the Bible, although it offers some good stories and some reasonable moral instruction, it is also rife with bad advice, contradictions and senseless violence.

    “Dr. Larry Bates” wears many hats. He claims to be an economist, publisher, editor, former member of the Tennessee House of Representatives, former bank CEO and a “nationally recognized expert on political systems and the Federal Reserve.” Bates is also the President of First American Monetary Consultants, Inc. (FAMC), an organization that allegedly does “economic and market forecasting, in addition to offering a wide variety of other End Times services. “News and Views” is a syndicated radio show, available dozens of radio stations across the U.S. Larry Bates is thus well known in some circles.

    After listening to Bates for only a few minutes, I learned that the United States needs to immediately and mercilessly bomb Iran because of what “those people” have done to “support terrorism.” I also learned that we need to support Israel without question, based upon what the Bible says. I persevered to the end of the show, saddened by and frustrated with the flimsy manner in which Bates attempted to support his conclusions.

    At the end of the show, it was announced that Bates was going to be featured at a half-day conference in St. Louis, I took the bait. I thought it would be interesting to better understand the basis for the views of End Times (both economic End Times and religious End Times) proponents. The conference was called “Perilous Times: Significant End Time Events.” I paid $20 and showed up at the Crystal Ballroom of the Renaissance St. Louis Grand and Suites Hotel in downtown St. Louis. Here’s my ticket:

    At the registration desk, I received a folder full of information. One of the pamphlets advised me that legalized gay marriage is a major obstacle to democracy:

    When the US Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence v. Texas last year that sodomy is a constitutional ‘right,’ the director of the lambda legal fund-a radical homosexual-agenda of pressure group-gleefully explained that this marks the beginning of the end to traditional marriage.

    Another pamphlet advised that the United States is officially a Judeo-Christian nation. It quoted William Penn: “Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.” This pamphlet, printed by FAMC, “proves” that the United States is a Christian nation based upon the fact that the Constitutions of many of the states mention “God,” or “the Creator.” As though non-Christian religions don’t believe in a “God” or a “Creator.”

    There were numerous products displayed and advertised at the conference. These products are the sorts of things you’ll need to have if you are going to be prepared for the economic and religious End Times. If you want to prevent cancer, you need to load up on Glutathione. The pamphlet says “your life depends on Glutathione.” To buy it, contact FAMC, according to the pamphlet.

    What if you just want to make sure that you have access to “the most universal antibiotic” known to man, colloidal silver? It’s a “tasteless, odorless, non-toxic, purer, natural substance consisting of submicroscopic clusters of silver particles suspended by a tiny electric charge placed on each particle.” According to the pamphlet, you drink it. It kills all those pesky pathogens and protects all your good cells. According to the pamphlet, it is useful for treating allergies, boils, herpes, stomach flu, lime disease, gonorrhea, bladder irritations and chickenpox. The list goes on and on. Colloidal silver can be used vaginally, anally or dropped into the eyes.” You can even make your own colloidal silver out of silver wire, using the $189 generator you can buy from FAMC.

    Another pamphlet advised me of my right to participate in jury nullification whenever anyone is being prosecuted for a gun crime. That is because “corrupted, anti-gun prosecutors and judges are common.” This information is distributed by the Fully Informed Jury Association.

    After the economic collapse, you’ll need to make better use of all that expensive gasoline that all of us are going to need. Therefore, make sure you buy the “Power Plus Mpg” additive. Using this Power Plus, you can save 25 to $.50 per gallon. During his talk (which I’ll discuss in detail further down), Larry Bates bragged that his 5 mpg SUV improved its mileage 50% (to 7.5 mpg) after he started using this Power Plus. Those attending the conference were even invited to sign up as Power Plus distributors.

    Additional Pamphlets were available advising how to support efforts to find those “30,000 POWs [who] were known to be behind alive after WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Persian Gulf and War on Terror.” There was also a table full of conservative-message bumper stickers.

    The nice old fellow minding that table offered me a chance to take any one of those bumper stickers for free. I really struggled to find anything that didn’t offend my politics (maybe I am a liberal). After searching for a full minute, I picked up Smoke – Choke – Stroke – Croak.

    I wasn’t really at the conference to dwell on the End Times products, however. I was there to listen to “Dr. Larry Bates,” just like the 200 other people who attended. Although the crowd included a handful of young adults, most of those attending were in their 60s or 70s. As is often the case with groups of conservative Christians, this was an extremely polite and orderly group. People held doors for each other and took time to exchange pleasantries.

    Dr. Larry Bates introduced himself and then introduced a local preacher who opened the meeting with a prayer. Almost everyone bowed their heads respectfully. Then it was time to offer a few door prizes. The winners had a choice of two books: The Coming Financial Wipeout or America’s Christian Heritage.

    Then it was time for four-hours of lecture. Bates bemoaned the lack of pastors in the audience. He complained that too many church leaders were “eating the sheep rather than feeding the sheep.” He asked for a show of hands of those who believe that we were in the last days, and perhaps a third of the audience raised their hand. When he asked whether we were in the very last days, 15% raised their hands.

    Bates informed the audience that their job was to “raise up wisdom.” This has to be done by taking back the media, he explained, although “Fox news is one of our best news channels.”

    He explained that the next election is the most important one ever. It will be about “class warfare.” The election whether we’ll have less government and bigger government. It’s between monopolistic versus competitive capitalism. Although the Republicans are imperfect, according to a distressed Bates, the only real choice in this upcoming election is Republican. More on this further down.

    The United States is under attack by economic and political elitists who want to keep the middle class trapped as pawns and serfs in this elitist version of a caste system. These are desperate times, because “There are only two countries in the entire world where the middle class runs the government or has the opportunity to run the government: the United States and Israel.”

    The elitists are “One World Socialists” according to Bates. They want to level everyone out to make everyone equally poor, except for themselves. A repeated target of Bates was the Federal Reserve, which “only looks federal and has no reserves.” Bates could barely contain his scorn for the Federal Reserve, which, he repeatedly emphasized, was totally owned by private bankers.

    Bates is highly suspicious of George W. Bush’s “New World order.” It is a conspiracy against the people of the United States, and it amounts to “one world socialism,” an attempt to make everyone poor except for an elite ruling class. He exhorted that the creation of the Federal Reserve was a conspiracy to rob the American middle class. The Federal Reserve is a “criminal syndicate.” According to Bates, the head of the Federal Reserve is more powerful than the president of the United States. In all earnestness, he told the crowd that the 1938 panic-provoking radio adaptation of “War of the Worlds” was not entertainment. It was a test by the government elite to see if the federal government could maintain control over the New World Order.

    What are the elitists trying to do? They are trying to create a North American Union. They want to merge the United States, Mexico and Canada and to destroy the sovereignty of the United States. That’s why we have a lax immigration policy, he warned. What’s the solution? “Build a fence and keep them out.” If the rate of immigration exceeds your rate of assimilation, “you lose your country.” Throughout his talk, Bates insinuated that the impending economic collapse will coincide with the religious Second Coming.

    The Democrats are the party of big government, militant homosexual “rights and domination.” The Democrats are Socialists, from the party of Karl Marx, where the government owns and controls everything, including all means of distribution and production. “Liberals hate property rights.” Bates drew numerous parallels to the Soviet Union, where people had to wait in long lines for everything. That’s what the Democrats would bring us, he urged.

    He warned that you can’t overlook the Republicans just because are imperfect. He understands that “Jesus Christ is not on the ballot.” If you hurt the Republicans, “you hurt yourself.” “Dingy Harry Reid “is corrupt and Nancy Pelosi is “a disaster.” Whenever you have a strong economy, you’ve got limited government. “It’s that simple.” Are there any litmus test for politicians? Absolutely. Don’t vote for anybody who believes in any right to abortion. “Nothing tells you more about politicians that sanctity of life. If they don’t get this right, they get nothing right.”

    What else did he think about some the candidates? There was no holding back. Hillary Clinton shouldn’t be president because God has a natural order for things. Bates paused to caution the audience, “I’m not a chauvinist.” Then he forged on: “God is the head of man and man is the head of women. A two-headed family is a freak.” He offered this evidence of his position: Indonesia is struggling because it is a matriarchy. To allow women to run the country is to violate God’s order. God says there should not be a woman president. It is as aberrant as “letting children run a household.”

    According to Bates, “Barack Hussein Obama” (he repeated this full name several times) is a radical muslim who was educated in a radical muslim school. His Church is full of people who, according to Bates, hate white people. [For those who are concerned about Obama based on Bates’ outrageous claims, check out this and this].

    Are there some good Republican candidates? You bet, according to Bates. For instance, Tom Tancredo got it right when he recently got tough with Muslims. Bates described it like this: “if you use a nuclear device in the United States, then we will use a nuke to take out Mecca and Medina . . . [applause] . . . Brutal force is the only thing these birds understand.” Upon hearing and seeing this, I was stunned. Though I tried, I couldn’t recall the particular verse of the Bible where Jesus said, “If someone shits on you, shit on them.”

    But Bates wasn’t done with the Muslims. According to Bates, the goal of Islam is “world domination under sharia law.” There are three types of followers of Islam, according to Bates. Type 1 is a revolutionary who sets off bombs. These people are terrorists. The second type is an evolutionary follower, distributing propaganda and prolifically “breeding.” The third type is a westernized Muslim who probably hasn’t even read the Koran. Nonetheless, those westernized Muslims will fall right in line, especially when those other Muslims threaten to cut off their heads or attack members of their families. The Koran “tells you “to kill and who to kill,” according to Bates. It tells you to kill Christians and Jews.

    According to Bates, Sam Brownback of Kansas is misguided (too liberal) on immigration, perhaps because of his Catholic conversion. He doesn’t understand that we’ve simply got to keep those immigrants out.

    What are some of the big issues of the upcoming election? National health insurance is a big issue. If we have national health insurance, it will “ruin the country. The country ends when we enact national health insurance.” What’s the evidence for this dramatic prediction? Tennessee has free government medical care, yet (according to Bates) nobody signs up for it. Therefore, there’s no need for national health insurance. Under national health insurance, Bill Clinton would have had to wait six weeks to get an appointment and six months to get his necessary surgery. National health insurance involves the “efficiency of the post office and the compassion of the IRS.” Furthermore, it will “drive the cost of health care way up.” National healthcare will bankrupt the country: “The government that can give you everything you want must, by definition, take everything you’ve got.”

    Bates warns that people need to quit concerning themselves with the healthcare establishment. In fact, he’s suspicious of the healthcare system. People need to focus on preventing disease rather than treating it. They need a laugh more. “Laughter is better medicine.” People would “rather be victims-our diseases are other people’s faults.” People need to take responsibility for their own good health, said Bates, who looks to be a few pounds overweight. It all starts “with what you put in your body.” Bates then spent a serious chunk of time touting the healthcare products displayed on the tables in the lobby.

    Bates explained that churches will need to get more into the healthcare business, because they have more to offer than the healthcare establishment. Churches have the courage to “tell the bums that they are bums” (I wondered what the bum lobby would think of this statement.

    We have too much Blue Cross and Blue Shield. We depend too much on man and not enough on God. We’ve replaced God on the throne with government on the throne. We look to Jehovah government instead of God.

    Bates announced that if anyone gets sick, it’s that person’s own fault. There are plenty of things you can do so that you don’t get sick, according to Bates. You can take regular doses of that colloidal silver I first learned about from the handouts. He announced that colloidal silver kills all bacteria. Someone in the back of the room then announced “Amen!” Gee, Larry, I wondered. Are you sure you want to kill all the bacteria in your body, including the beneficial bacteria that reside in your gut? He marched on, undeterred. Bates claims that he puts silver in his milk to keep it from spoiling. It will never spoil as long as you put silver in your carton of milk. He urged the audience to buy the colloidal silver generating kit, so they can make their own colloidal silver. He warned the audience that the FDA does not want people to know about the amazing healing powers of silver. The FDA doesn’t want the competition—it would put some big pharmaceutical companies out of business. In fact, the FDA is about to try to outlaw the use of silver as a medicine. Modern pharmaceuticals are “witchcraft.”

    What else can you do to stay healthy? If you’ve got cancer, make sure you consider getting vitamin C injections. These have been phenomenally successful, according to Bates. This new knowledge about the healing powers of vitamin C reminded him that the Bible predicted “God’s plan of healing.” This kind of “new important knowledge” is another sign of “the last days.” We need to be the “salt” (disinfectant of the evil people) and the “light” (spreading wisdom). Bates warned that many believers are going to have to do God’s work on their own because churches “have been corrupted by world government.”

    What would you do if you’re laid-off in the impending economic collapse? You need to get a trade. You need to do something with your hands, such as plumbing or electrical work. “The time will come when you have to barter your skills for someone else’s skills.” The End Times are apparently not going to be pretty.

    The last section of the presentation was an indictment of US monetary policy. Bates pointed out that the United States now has $25 trillion in domestic debt which must be serviced, whereas the M2 money supply is only $7 trillion. This sets the stage for the economic End Times. The government can either go into default work or print fake money to dilute real wealth. He warns that the U.S. is busy printing lots of fake money. That’s what the recent $300 billion injection of “new money” was. It was used to allegedly stabilize the stock market. He warns that it would take a 7.1% added payroll tax to service our current debt, an amount that would break the backs of most families. Bates sees a massive restructuring of the social security system forthcoming, including raised taxes and reduced benefits, as well as means tests.

    What can we do about the impending economic collapse? One thing is that we can make sure that no one takes away our guns, said Bates.

    There will be no total economic collapse until there is total gun control. The tyrants don’t want to deal with an armed populace. The enemies of liberty hate your guns. The Second Amendment protects the First Amendment.

    Here’s what else you can do, according to Bates. Elect people who will build fences to keep out the immigrants. Hone your communications skills, because the upcoming wars will be wars of world views. According to the Bible, “when you see the enemy, you’ll need to warn the city.”

    As far as protecting your assets, Bates gives this advice: Stay away from “Loanership” assets, such as Money Market funds, T-bills and CD’s. They are “pieces of paper: IOU’s. Beware of real estate, in this age when the government is taxing it heavily and abusing eminent domain. Instead, load up on precious metals, such as gold and silver coins. This is especially important, given that the U.S. has long been off the gold standard, which has invited the dollar’s slide versus most currencies. He claims that you should not get gold or silver bullion because federal law gives the government the right to confiscate these in times of economic emergency.

    Who’s going to buy your precious metal coins in the time of economic collapse? Bates is convincing to me when he answers that question with another question: “Who is going to buy your paper dollars?” He characterizes gold and silver as “money.” Everything else is only “credit.”

    So Bates’ program includes both saving and eating silver! Where are you going to get all of those precious metals? From a reputable company like FAMC, of course. Bates tells you to buy precious coins and his company is happy to sell them to you. He told the crowd that precious metal coins are “real money” and that they will be exchangeable until the absolute end of time. Didn’t the Bible say that people will throw their gold and silver into the street? Absolutely, says Bates. But that will be toward the end, when we’ll see a “large scale transfer of wealth from the wicked to the righteous.” It’s all in the Bible, according to Bates. Up until those End Times, then, rely on precious metals, says Bates, citing Ezekiel 7:19 (“Precious metals very valuable until the time that God’s wrath is poured out”) and Haggai 2:6-9 (End time transfer of wealth using precious metals”).

    Bates is not embarrassed about having money. “God doesn’t mind if you have nice things.” You should use and enjoy your money, he stresses. Have as much of it as you need, even if you use it to buy expensive houses, cars and vacations. No problem. It’s only the “love of money” that is the root of all evil. His literature cites Proverbs 28:20 (“Eager to get rich; will not go unpunished”), Ecclesiastes 2:26 (“One who pleases Him receives wealth”) and Genesis 2:11-12 (“God put gold in the earth for a reason”).

    It’s hard to know how to sum up this Perilous Times Conference. The lessons taught by Bates are laced with radical conservative values, that is true. His characterizations of both Republicans and Democrats are cartoonish. His xenophobia and racism (especially toward women and people from the Middle East) are intense. His plan to capitalize upon the fears he drums up, both economic and religious, is predictable and obvious.

    Bates has a ready and willing audience, because his targets are big and fat. Anyone with energy and creativity can vigorously hack away at pharmaceutical companies, drug companies, bankers, politicians and bureaucrats. If you can convince your audience that it might lose much of what it has worked for, you could readily stir up their deep fears about out-groups such as gays, women, atheists and immigrants.

    Bates is playing a game that is played by many people who have some legitimate credentials. During the final portion of this conference Bates sometimes sounded like someone who was giving some reasonable economic advice based on sophisticated training. He sometimes spoke as person who relied on his training and experience in economics and banking. I am not an economist or a banker, and I have not read nearly enough to know the extent to which Bates is giving decent economic advice, though what I have read about United States fiscal policy also concerns me greatly. I’ve seen similar admonitions regarding the United States fiscal policy on “liberal” shows such as Bill Moyers. I think it is this part of the show that gives Bates the foot in the door with his audience.

    Nonetheless, it is a standard trick to parlay one’s legitimate credentials far beyond the realm of one’s expertise. When Bates talks with ultra-assurance of the alleged Second Coming of Christ or when he touts the medical quackery he is so happy to peddle, he looks both naïve and devious. Shame on his audience members, though, if they really step up to buy that little bottle of fuel additive that will allegedly make their humongous SUVs get 50% better gas mileage. Shame on the people who think that the FDA is trying to outlaw silver potions because drinkable silver is so incredibly good that it would put pharmaceutical companies out of business. Shame on people who trust people who sell snake oil.

    I couldn’t help but conclude that there is much in common among the sorts of people that listen to Bates and the sorts of people with whom I more commonly associate. We are all worried about our corrupt government, our poisoned food and water, our shortsighted fiscal policies, our many failing schools, our own deaths, about numerous people illegally pouring over our borders, about the many people who are addicted to drugs and alcohol and about a media with an agenda secretly dictated by those who hold disproportionate power. Many Believers and non-Believers are downright suspicious of organized religions. We differ profoundly, however, in the ways in which we would address these threats. What Bates offers is a bomb-shelter mentality. He relentlessly warns his audience of the need to hunker down and protect one’s own and let everyone else be damned.

    As I left Perilous Times Conference, I wondered whether it would be an impossible task to convince the people in that audience to put down their Bibles and roll up their sleeves when they discuss politics. I wondered whether these people would ever be willing to open their minds to diverse ideas from people who might look and act differently than they do. I wondered whether Bates’ fans would ever be willing to look at their own cherished ideas as skeptically as they look at the ideas of others. I wondered whether they would ever be capable of pretending, even for a moment, that they were not under attack by all of those people of the world who they don’t know well. I wondered whether they could ever be convinced to consider that strangers are, for the most part, people with hopes, dreams and fears much like their own.

    After mega-doses of Larry Bates, is it even possible for people to consider that there is a vast commonality all people share and that this could really be a starting point for a functional world view, one that is not based on paranoia?

  35. Beware of the scribes, who desire to go around in long robes, love greetings in the marketplaces, the best seats in the synagogues, and the best places at feasts, who devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. These will receive greater condemnation. Luke 20:46-47

  36. Hey Marianne. Can you clear up something for me please. My friend thinks you might be the disgraced Miriam Franklin of endtimesprophecy as shown at this link http://www.checkpoint.ie/roguesgallery ? A lot of the stuff on your site seems to be identical as Mrs Franklin’s. Can you clarify please?

    • Hi Bernard,

      I am not her. I do not claim to be a prophetess. I study prophecy and analyze the news, like many other people.

      I never ask for money or recognition. I do not sell anything.

      I have never heard of her, although I may have been on her site, not knowing who she was. I have never lived in the UK.

      I write a lot but I am unaware of how many sites may have similar information. I give references when I use material from other sites.

      I do not attack any other person or ministry. I do not have a business. Everything I do for people is FREE. I am available 24/7 and never ask for anything in return.

      I serve God with my heart. I do not take other people’s material, publish it, and make money. Notice that there is not even a “donation button” on this site. That is because I consider it sacrilege to make money off the Word of God, or the sufferings of Jesus.

      It is possible she copied from my site and published it, but I was unaware of it.

      I am sorry to hear of these lawsuits. I hope justice is served.

      I am curious…can you send me a link to something she has that is identical to mine? I would like to see if she is copying me also.

      thanks.

  37. This is what I really what I was looking up. Rick Warren Saddleback church of 70,000 attendees plus church is right down the street from my 176 attendance Calvary Chapel church.

    http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/011/lighthousetrails/swedenborg.htm

    Emanuel Swedenborg’s Occultic Beliefs

    Influence Rick Warren’s Health Advisor and the Church

    By John Lanagan, Word Like Fire Ministries

    Lighthouse Trails Research
    Home

    LILITH

    Theosophy

    1-31-11

    Background information: Rick Warren’s New Health and Wellness Initiative

    Swedenbor popularized Occult Mysticism and Theosophy

    “You can become a Reiki master in three weekends.” –Lisa Oz, wife of Dr. Mehmet Oz

    Perhaps it is not surprising Dr. Mehmet Oz, a key teacher in Rick Warren’s 52 week health-and-wellness Daniel Plan, has been influenced by occultist Emanuel Swedenborg. Although Swedenborg rejected the biblical Christ, and communed with familiar spirits, some of Swedenborg’s admirers have been culturally significant figures. At this point in his career, Dr. Mehmet Oz certainly qualifies as such.

    Those who have either appreciated or followed Swedenborg’s theology have included Helen Keller, Johnny Appleseed, Sherlock Holmes creator Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Carl Jung, Henry James Sr., the poet Robert Frost, and Bill Wilson, co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous.

    Swedenborg, who died in the 1700s, has been called the father of modern day spiritualism. It is likely Alcoholics Anonymous co-founder Bill Wilson’s bondage to the spirit world began with his introduction to Swedenborg’s teachings. Despite erroneous claims he was a Christian, Wilson’s spirituality was one of seances, familiar spirits, and the ouija board. [1]

    Just like Dr. Mehmet Oz, Bill Wilson was introduced to the teachings of Swedenborg through his own wife. Early in their romantic relationship, Bill Wilson “learned that [his future wife’s family] were all Swedenborgians, and the mystic aspect of the faith so fascinated them they vowed to explore it more deeply one day.”[2]

    In Pass It On (AA co-founder’s official biography), Bill Wilson states, “The Ouija board began moving in earnest. What followed was the fairly usual experience-it was a strange melange of Aristotle, St. Francis, diverse archangels with odd names, deceased friends–some in purgatory and others doing nicely, thank you! . . . Then, the seemingly virtuous entities would elbow them out with messages of comfort, information, advice—and sometimes just sheer nonsense.”[3] (Bold added.)

    Swedenborg had power. This cannot be denied. It was stunning to learn Swedenborg had written of a spiritual “twelve steps” more than a century before Alcoholics Anonymous was birthed.[4] Did Wilson copy this term from Emanuel Swedenborg? I do not believe so. I believe that Wilson, having opened himself up to communication with unclean spirits, received his 12 Steps from the same source as had Swedenborg.

    Emanuel Swedenborg experienced mystic dreams, trances, and meditation. He believed that he was visited by Christ, who informed him he was the human appointed to write the real meaning of the Bible. He believed he communicated with Moses, Luther, Mary, Aristotle, the apostle Paul, and many others.

    Author Wilson Van Dusen notes, “Swedenborg used a fairly intense form [of meditation] in which he would focus on an idea of the exclusion of all else and his breathing would slow down. There have been whole books on the breathing aspect alone.”[5] Swedenborg, writes Van Dusen, “thought highly” of meditation.[6]

    We are in a time when spiritual terms have been given confusing meanings; when words such as “Salvation,” are not necessarily presented as biblically intended. This is particularly true of the term, “meditation.” Rick Warren’s Daniel Plan, his association with Oz, Hyman, and Amen, may make comprehension of this even more murky.

    The meditation used by Swedenborg and numerous New Age devotees, Buddhists, and Hindus, is not biblical meditation, which is essentially reading Scripture and “chewing” (reflecting and pondering) upon it. With biblical meditation, the brain is always active, and thinking.

    But thinking is the enemy of the mystical meditator. As one mystic proponent put it:

    “Do not reflect on the meaning of the word; thinking and reflecting must cease, as all mystical writers insist. Simply ‘sound’ the word silently, letting go of all feelings and thoughts.” (Zen master, Willigis Jager, Contemplation, p. 31, cited in ATOD)

    This is the Eastern meditation advocated by Rick Warren’s Daniel Plan team members Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Mark Hyman, and Dr. Daniel Amen. This meditation, used by Swedenborg and others, involves stilling the mind, sometimes by focusing on a word or phrase to “the exclusion of all else,” as Van Dusen puts it. By repeating the word or phrase over and over, a state of altered consciousness is reached. This is known as the silence .Historically, around the world, much has been experienced in this meditative silence. Spirit guides. Oneness. False “christs.” “Kundalini effect” . . . and so forth.

    Deception.

    This is also often portrayed in scientific terms, and portrayed as beneficial, but is an invitation to the spirit realm. As others have pointed out, when the mind is stilled and void, something else may well fill that void.

    There is a battle going on—between those who hold to the Word of God and those who promote the mysticism inherent in these meditative techniques. Already the Body of Christ is infected with the “contemplative spirituality” of Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Gary Thomas, Keri Wyatt Kent and so many others. Contemplative prayer is simply saying a “Christian-ized” word or phrase to still the mind and enter the silence. It is virtually the same as Eastern or New Age meditation, yet it has gained acceptance due to its “Christianese” disguise.

    Occultist Alice Bailey, who was informed by her spirit guides, said that the New Age “illumination” would indeed come to the world through the Christian church, and she instructed her followers to leave the outer shell of Christianity intact for the time being and change it from the inside. Is this not what is happening today! (Bailey, The Externalization of the Hierarchy, p. 510)

    But now, it seems, we are “advancing” past the stage of disguising. Now, it seems, outright Eastern/New Age meditation is poised to enter the church. The realm of these spirits is the realm of deception that the Bible talks about. The Bible says that in the days before Christ’s return, the mystery of iniquity will prevail and deceive vast numbers. (See 2 Thessalonians 2:7 and Revelation 12:9.)

    If all this is new to you, please take the time to research.

    His people perish from lack of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6)

    With Dr. Oz having been granted potential influence into the lives of thousands (potentially eventually millions) of Christians through Rick Warren’s Daniel Plan, it is important to consider Lisa Oz as well—because people who seek out Dr. Oz’s books will likely be exposed to his wife’s work also. The couple have worked together on projects and public appearances. Lisa Oz serves as the reader for many of Dr. Oz’s audio books.[7] And Dr. Oz does not hide his high estimation for his wife.

    In her book, Lisa Oz acknowledges, “After my parents, the most influential [teacher] by far was and is Emanuel Swedenborg, an eighteenth century scientist and theologian who saw the Bible as a divinely inspired metaphor. … His writings on the nature of God, humanity, and marriage not only shaped my views but ultimately shaped who I am. For this reason you will find his doctrine, widely and wildly interpreted, as the foundation for just about every chapter in this book.”[8]

    Lisa Oz is a Reiki master. This is an ancient system of occult energy, one that brings with it the risk of familiar spirits. [9] Lisa Oz states, “You can become a Reiki master in three weekends.”[10]

    Many people were exposed to Reiki for the first time when Dr. Oz featured it on his popular television show. In an interview, Mrs. Oz shared that she has used Reiki on her own children.[11] The point here is not that Swedenborg used Reiki—he did not—but, rather, that Swedenborgian doctrine is often a precursor that leads into New Age practices such as meditation and Reiki.

    Of course, this makes sense, because Swedenborgianism itself can be defined as a New Age belief system. The New Age, after all, is really the Old Age, and familiar spirits for thousands of years have taken the openings offered through meditation. So it is with the increasingly popular Reiki.

    In fact, consider this collective Reiki/meditative experience facilitated by Lisa Oz, which took place at a workshop she conducted along with her husband:

    “She followed with a couple of similar exercises, then finished with what for me was the day’s highlight: the hatsurei-ho meditation,[12] this time for hundreds. The energy in that cavernous room at the Javits Convention Center shifted palpably as Mrs. Oz led the crowd through progressive relaxation, envisioning a golden light all around, drawing the light inside and then breathing it back out into the space around us, adding our own energy with each exhalation. There was no need to explain what Reiki was—everyone felt it, even without touch.”[13] (Bold added)

    Lisa Oz then told the crowd, “Go in wellness, knowing you have brought light into the world.”[14]

    What is going on with Rick Warren? Does he believe he can bring in Oz, Hyman, and Amen, and simply share only their medical teachings? Stick to the brain, Daniel Amen. Just talk about the heart, Mehmet Oz. Is that what Pastor Warren intends? Because even if these doctors don’t say anything about meditation, or Reiki, their resources are still available to all who have seen and heard them at Saddleback. Exposure to these practices therefore seems certain, all from authors highly praised by Rick Warren.

    This decision to use these meditation gurus is no fluke. The list of Rick Warren’s ill-advised spiritual decisions is too long to believe that. It goes hand in hand with he and his wife’s admiration for mysticism advocate Henri Nouwen. It goes hand in hand with his promotion of Gary Thomas who tells readers to repeat a word for 20 minutes in Sacred Pathways (p. 185) and who points readers to tantric sex advocate Mary Ann McPherson Oliver in Sacred Marriage and who carries Adele Alberg Calhoun’s book, Handbook on Spiritual Disciplines in his Resource Center even though the book is riddled with New Age/panentheist references.

    It goes hand in hand with his own book, The Purpose Driven Life, where he tells over 30 million readers they can become “world-class Christian[s]” if they practice “breath prayers” (Day 38). It goes hand in hand with Rick Warren’s first book, The Purpose Driven Church, where he tells readers that Richard Foster’s spiritual formation movement is a “valid message” and a “wake up call” to “the body of Christ” (pp. 126-127). And it goes hand in hand with Rick Warren’s connections with New Age sympathizers Leonard Sweet and Ken Blanchard. (paragraph notes)

    No, Rick Warren’s decision to use Oz, Amen, and Hyman is no fluke. But it sure is a spiritual trap for the Christian church.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Source article: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=5618

    ——————————————————————————–

    Endnotes:

    1. Seances, Spirits, and 12 Steps http://mywordlikefire.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/seances-spirits-and-12-steps/

    2. Robert Thomsen, Bill W., pg. 85

    3. PASS IT ON, Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc., pg. 278

    4. The first version of the 12 Steps http://mywordlikefire.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/the-first-version-of-the-12-steps/

    5. Wilson Van Dusen, commentary, Swedenborg’s Journal of Dreams, pg.189

    6. Ibid., pg. 191

    7. http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Lisa-Oz/47284370/books

    8. US: Transforming Ourselves and the Relationships That Matter Most http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Books/us-transforming-relationships-matter-lisa-oz/story?id=1028 8653&page=3

    9. Reiki warning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4N2URu4avY

    10. http://www.expressnightout.com/content/2007/07/fit_mad_about_you.php

    11. http://www.expressnightout.com/content/2007/07/fit_mad_about_you.php

    12. http://www.aetw.org/d_hatsurei_ho.html

    13. http://reikidigest.blogspot.com/2007/08/its-all-about-you-and-some-of-it-is.html

    14. http://reikidigest.blogspot.com/2007/08/its-all-about-you-and-some-of-it-is.html

  38. sent in by kitti

  39. Reiki is in the NT. However, those of you that have not trained in Reiki would not know that. Also many Reiki healers work with Christ. All TRUE followers of Christ become healers. That’s why true healers originated out the Christian Spiritualist Churches originally.

    Christ was dressed in scarlet because he was dressed in the colour that Buddhists wear. The child in the arms of ELIAKIM in the michelangelo fresco of her and the child is also wrapped in the colour of the Buddha.

    You will find a tremendous overlap between Hebrew and Sanscrit.

    FALSE PROPHETS –

    Calling Out Marie Exley
    This is calling out 32 year old -US veteran Christian Marie Exley, who claims that ‘Judgement Day’ is on the 21st of May 2011.
    http://academysounds.blogspot.com/search?q=False+Prophets+

    Criteria for the false prophets as prescribed in the bible.

    1. They do not enter the land of Israel
    2. They are not listed in the records of the house of Israel
    3. They are not part of Gods assembly.

    My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.Ezekiel 13:9

    Now ask yourself what prophet never entered the land of Israel?

    4. They say do not prophesy

    “Do not prophesy,” their prophets say. “Do not prophesy about these things; disgrace will not overtake us, Micah 2:6

    5. Beheadings

    I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. Revelation 20:4

    Christ also predicted that they would be like a ferocious wolf. Matthew 7:14 This was also demonstrated when the Jewish sages were murdered in Saudi Arabia.

    6. It tells their followers to drink because shame will cover their glory at the appointed time. The appointed time was 2010. Why is alcohol part of the prophecy? Clearly the followers of the false prophet do not drink and this criteria was to help the people to identify who the prophecy was about.

    Isaiah 44 also gives you a criteria for the true one sent from God. A true prophet of God stands against the false prophets.

    “Who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense”.

    Who stood against the diviners that supported Obama?

    Who stood against Islam?

    ELIAKIM

  40. Harold Camping has convinced many people that the rapture will occur on May 21, 2011…

    http://www.news4jax.com/video/27687484/index.html

  41. False prophets and teachers – characteristics ” Heaven Awaits…

    […]1 Peter 5:21 True prophets are to speak not by the will of man, but … Doherty said this on May 30, 2009 at 4:09 am | Reply. We can only get taken in if we …[…]…

  42. About false teachers. If their words are not anointed with the Holy Ghost, then they can only preach and teach from their brain. Head knowledge doesn’t cut it.

    I was hitchhiking in Washington state about a week ago and got picked up by a Christian. If he wasn’t a false Christian, then he was a very shallow Christian. He talked and talked and talked about the Bible, but there was no anointing–it was his brain that interpreted the Bible and not the Holy Ghost (the Holy Ghost is our only teacher–which means that if someone is teaching, they better be anointed).

    I don’t remember a single thing that he said–it was like he was speaking into the air. What he said barely made an impression in my mind and absolutely no impression in my spirit because his words were not spiritual.

    When someone anointed teaches the things of God, the impression in your spirit is lasting, eternal, permanent–it becomes engrafted into your spirit and you grow spiritually from the teaching.

    With false teachers, the proof is in the pudding. You shall know them by their fruit.

    Another key thing is that with a true teacher, after they are done with their teaching, there will be peace in your spirit. With a false teacher, when they are done teaching, there will not be peace in your spirit–there will be a grieving in your spirit or an uneasiness in your spirit.

  43. Hi! Marianne,

    We had an incident at our church on wednesday, there is this lady who said that she is an apostle that recently joined our church organization. she joined the head church. we are one of the branches, all of a sudden this lady is just poping up at our services unannounced something she never did before. When ever she shows up because they say they must follow order and she is an apostle they let her preach whenever she shows up. When she first came and visit us last year she prophesied and what she prophesied was truth. And the other couple of times she came most of her messages were basically the same and she was prophesying things, e.g. she told someone i see you want a red truck and you told another one a blue car. Then we started questioning certain things. After she had preached, our pastor came on and ask her to close out with the benediction, when she came on she called out one of the young women in the church and began prophesying to the young lady. She began to tell her about her job and told her to join the competition at work and God will allow her to win, there was actually a competition going on, NOW here is the thing she told her that she will marry another man and she saw the ring on the sister’s hand and marianne the young lady’s husband was right thre in the church he is a minister in the church, but because she(the apostle) doesnt normally come to our church like that she didnt knw that the sis was the minister’s wife. That was a big blow to the church some ppl walked out. She said” i dnt care who that guy is your with now you will marry another”. Everyone was so shocked our pastor was so embarrassed for the lady our pastor walked out so did the elder and the asst. pastor. they all ran to the back of the church. I was so suprized even the husband was. it was as if it caught him off guard. Now the whole church is confused to what the pastor will do. So our pastor said she will not allow her to come back to our church . But she owes the church an apology. Question! does she owe the church an apology? if someone had rebuked her openly would that have been order?

    • T noel,
      The churches are having wolves creep in unaware. Though not knowing more about this Lady, I am reluctant to point a finger. Does she deny the divinity of Christ, or is her teaching changing this understood dogma even slightly? This should be a sign to be careful. The test for the Spirits is found in 1 John 4:1-6, as well as if the prophecy is true. Jesus is both fully human, and fully divine (God). The deception usually will challenge one of these notions as not being fact, or both. But they will still call Jesus the “son of God”, or the “messiah”, or an “angel” etc. If this is the case, confront her with the elders of the church. You said, however, that this person was sent from the leadership of the church, so the outcome may not be good.

      Read 2 Peter, Jude, and Paul’s letters to the thessolonians as well, as they will explain what is happening. It is happening around the world. We are getting close to the final seven years, and the return of our Lord.

      I will keep you in my prayers.

    • hi T

      anyone who is predicting money and cars and trucks and marriages is not preaching the word of God, so that should have been a big clue.

      just learn from the mistake in trusting her and move on.

  44. I love this site…and just found it three weeks ago. Praise be to God.

  45. I do belive that this is true. i recently had a very bad experience with a “BIKER CHURCH” in Florida when i needed a church family the most! i saw and heard many things they said and did that was even aginst what they were suppose to belive AND what they were preaching! even that same day! i couldnt belive it! and even worse i tried to convince someone to give them a chance and trust them and it only caused more harm to both of our lives. we also witnessed actual abuse at a church function of mental and phsycal abuse towards a very young man that was hardly in his 20s that was truely aginst the law! this occoured just within minutes of a new assistant pastor arriving to meet the church and they covered it up!! he was NOT informed of the true happenings in the church! it sickened me to see how people needed this church and it was only damaging to thier souls thier lives and thier own personal freedom/choices the” preacher man” had no experience or training and has already lost atleast half the congrigation due to the new church bi laws that he has no right to make only god has that right! BE VERY CAREFUL WHO YOU TRUST THERE ARE THOSE OUT FOR THIER OWN AGENDA EVEN IN A CHURCH
    the “precher man” even tried to convince church members to steal my personal belongings and throw them in the trash so i couldnt have them i had only known then aprox a week and a half ! he also called me where i was living and yelled at me for not being at a church members house when he thought i was going to be there so he could confront me about me not wanting to live at a church members house!!

    they degraded me judged me for things/about things that were not even true and by the way NONE OF THEIR BUISNESS FROM WHAT GOD SAYS!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND KEEP YOU SAFE MAY THE TRUE SHEPPARD LOOK AFTER YOU ALL

  46. What you are saying is true the is this prophet from some church in Ghana he was he was making prophecies he said ” God says u must give with your grocery money and your patrol money”. This is not good its true this people are heartless

  47. I’am a 57year old Christian&in my youth, I was never told anything about handling money&starting a business! My parents gave the college money they were saving to the church because Jesus was coming soon! Well I was never helped for college! I never entered the ministry because I knew bad things were going to happen to me&many years&decades later John Paul Jackson’s book “Unmasking The Jezebel Spirit” confirmed my feelings! Ilook forward to the Millenium when Jesus rules&the order&prosperity that will come! Christianity in the last 2000 years has only received its “token blessing” but in the Millenium-the “full inheritance “will come!!! That is blessed hope for my life!!!!

    • dear ronnie

      Jesus did not have a diploma from bible school, and neither did his apostles and disciples……so do not let that stop you.

      glorify God where you are at in your life…..

      like they say, “bloom where you are planted.”

  48. Marianne,
    I have really enjoyed all your posts. You seem to really know so much about God’s word and often hit on subjects that others shy away from. I was looking for information on Pastor Sun Hui East who runs a cult out of Texas. I found some information here under Jezebel Spirit but I also think the False Prophet information is helpful also. Can you point me to any information on cults that abuse the word of God to manipulate and control people? This woman has conned many people and has sucked a family member into her cult by claiming to have prophecy from God. I believe she operates with a strong Jezebel Spirit and uses witchcraft to pull intimate information and use it against the members of her church. She is very manipulative and most of her church is in a constant state of fear. Do you know of any good websites or material that speaks to this issue? Thank you.

    • dear first love

      I googled “jezebel spirit” and came up with some results:

      https://www.google.com/search?q=derek+prinv&oq=derek+prinv&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4792j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#es_sm=122&espv=210&q=jezebel+spirit

      you can take a look there…..

      also, there are posts on my site about the different variations:

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?s=jezebel+ahab

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/category/ahab/

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/category/jezebel/

      the orange link is the introductory page, the white link is the discussion, the orange link can connect you to the discussion page (“click here”)

      I really do not know anything about her, so I cannot comment.

      If you are going to act against her, then be sure you are right.

      things like control, heresy, manipulation, cult ,and false revelations have to be proven, not just asserted.

      as far as false prophesy, that can be possible…..persons can get information from demons acting over people in the room, and claim they get the info from God…..same techniques psychics use….

      .also, you have to look at the accuracy of comments, and how specific they are, as opposed to general statements that can be easily true …..for example, I can say that God told me he is judging america for its sins…..well, that is not a prophecy…..that is a logical deduction looking at current circumstances….similar to how weather people predict rain in the forecast…..

      you know the tree by its fruit….if the fruit is good or bad…..false or true…

  49. false church

  50. So, basically, you would not be able to recognise The False Prophet if he was running around in a pink tutu carrying a sign saying I’m The False Prophet and screaming absurdities at you … There can be only one true False Prophet and it is I who am he who is and I hope you don’t fail to recognise that – The False Prophet

  51. Pleased to meet you, too. As soon as ‘the time’ is right. Keep on blogging in a free world – The False Prophet

  52. Arizona,THE ORNYEST WATCHMAN the LORD HAS,so be careful,I carry a BIG sword everywhere I go,ready to protect the VILLAGE and cut to pieces,anyone coming over the wall……….

  53. Pray for these false Prophets, and Pastors; they need to REPENT!!!!!!! From their Hearts, not their mouths, God knows who you are!!!!!!!! The Holy Spirit said STOP!!!!!! REPENT!!!!!!!! Why are you chosing HELL??? Duh!!!

  54. Marionette,
    I have been on your page for 2 days now looking at all your topics.
    The article that brought me in was the false spirit of God…..seems I left a open door to for the devil to trick me. It wasn’t just a minor dream, it was a series of several , and I could confirm these things with many others in my circle . He lead me to do things I never would have done before…. I would love a call or private email from you.

    • hi faye

      the page belongs to me, not marionnetta, so I am not sure if you want me or her.

      but you can email me if you want

  55. FALSE PROPHECIES OF JESUS ?
    Christian Answers To Muslim Questians
    .
    1st PROPHECY
    Lord Jesus says:
    ★ “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom” (Mt 16:28, Mk 9:1, Lk 9:27).
    ★ “…you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the cloudes of heaven…” (MT 26:64)
    ANSWER
    The Holy Bible itself tells us that many people including the disciple John saw it… This we also find in the Biblical Book of Revelation; in which John sees (Rev 1:1-2) Lord Jesus and writes:
    “Behold! He is coming with the clouds…” (Rev 1:7).
    “And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God…” (Rev 21:2).
    Stephen also saw this and said:
    “Look, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” (Acts 7:56).
    .
    2nd PROPHECY
    Lord Jesus says:
    ★ “Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things have taken place.” (Mt 24:34, Mk 13:30, Lk 21:32).
    ★ “Truly I tell you, all this will come upon this generation.” (Mt 23:36).
    ANSWER
    In these verses, Lord Jesus refers to ‘THIS GENERATION’. And according to Lord Jesus, ‘THIS GENERATION’ refers to ‘EVIL & ADULTEROUS GENERATION’ and it does not refer only to the people at that time!.
    This we find in the words of Lord Jesus Himself! For when He was asked for a sign, Lord Jesus said:
    “An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign…” (Mt 16:4).
    Lord Jesus also says: “Those who are ashamed of me and of My Words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of them the Son of Man will also be ashamed when He comes in the glory…” (Mk 8:9).
    Therefore, according to Lord Jesus; ‘THIS GENERATION’ in His above prophecy means an ‘EVIL & ADULTEROUS GENERATION’ which will not pass away before the Second Coming of Christ.
    .
    3rd PROPHECY
    Lord Jesus says:
    ★ “…truly I tell you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel (preaching Golpel) before the Son of Man comes…” (Mt 10:23).
    ANSWER
    Its true; the disciples of Lord Jesus at that time were excommunicated from Judaism and they had to leave Israel and go preaching the Gospel to other nations of the world.
    Secondly, Lord Jesus also tells this to all His disciples; present at that time and of future disciples! And its true; even now after 2000 years, all the disciples of Lord Jesus have not succeeded in reaching every town of Israel preaching the Gospel to every Jew. Even now they are being persecuted.
    .
    ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
    .
    This is posted here because some Muslims are found to discredit Lord Jesus and the Holy Bible to brainwash those poor Christians who have not read the Holy Bible and in this way they brainwash them to believe that Christianity is false Religion. And then, they persue them to get converted to Islam! Britain has seen many such brainwashed conversions after which the converts are exported to Middle-East to join the ISIS terror groups to kill non-muslims.
    .
    Therefore, through this post, we kindly request you to create awareness by sharing it with your friends; so that they remain aware of the Word of God and do not fall prey to their trap. Thank you
    .
    Source: http://facebook.com/christian.prophecies

  56. I love this write-up. It’s revealing.!

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