Fire, Brimstone & the Ascension


Stay or go? Live or die?

Jesus describes the end times as similar to 2 biblical events, with lessons to be learned from them.

Days of Noah

“Flesh” had corrupted the earth – ungodly union of fallen angels and mankind – violence fills the earth

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.

Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repents me that I have made them.

Gen 6:11

The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

Business as usual

Luk 17:26

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

Luk 17:27

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

After the flood, God had promised not to destroy the world by water again.

Gen 9:11

And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Apparently, God switched to fire and brimstone for local, and maybe global, punishment for sin.


Days of Lot – Fire and brimstone – from natural or supernatural sources, or both

"Brimstone," possibly the ancient name for sulphur, evokes the acrid odor of volcanic activity.

Business as usual – just as in Noah’s time

Luk 17:28

Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

Flesh had corrupted the city

Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

Luk 17:29

But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.

Luk 17:30

Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Command to flee- the abomination has occurred, and we are not to be a part of it

Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Mat 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso reads, let him understand:)

Mat 24:17

Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Jerusalem, and the world, will be like Sodom in the final days before Christ’s return, because the antichrist will have taken over with all his abominations.

“Fleeing out of Sodom” is a type of our fleeing from that state of sin. Sodom is a city full of filthiness and abominations.

Sodom is a city full of devils and all unclean spirits: there they have their rendezvous, and there they have their dominion. There they sport, and wallow in filthiness, as it is said of mystical Babylon, Rev. xviii. 2.

Babylon is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

The tribulation follows the command to flee

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Lots wife looks back to what she had

Luk 17:32 Remember Lot’s wife.

Lot’s wife looked back, because she remembered the pleasant things that she left in Sodom.


Puzzle ???

After being TOLD to flee, presumably to save one’s life, we are then told that if we seek to save our lives, we will lose them

Luk 17:33

Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Those that do not flee, that are stationary, also are in danger.

The ones “taken” end up with where the eagles gather.

Eagles gather in the air, not on the ground.

They are killed?


And the ones left behind seem to survive.

Luk 17:34

I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Luk 17:35

Two [women] shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luk 17:36Two [men] shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luk 17:37

And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together.

So far, we are told to flee, but if we act to save our lives, we die?

So why are we told to flee?


Losing one’s life

In Matthew, this puzzle is also mentioned, and it seems more to be a spiritual loss, rather than a physical one.

Mat 10:38 And he that takes not his cross, and follows after me, is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:39 He that finds his life shall lose it: and he that loses his life for my sake shall find it.

In Matthew, we hear of dying for our faith.

We have to be ready to pick up our cross, and possibly die.

But how does that correlate with the fleeing commanded of us in Luke?

Spiritual fleeing

The only thing that seems to make sense is that the fleeing from the city of Jerusalem is physical, but the fleeing from spiritual Babylon, and the Sodom that Jerusalem will become under antichrist, is spiritual.

If we flee from sin, then we save our soul (eternal life).

We may flee sin, but die physically, as we may suffer death, because of that cross before us.

If we flee from Jerusalem when the abomination occurs, then we may save our physical lives and our soul.

For those who look back, like Lots’ wife, longing to return, they will perish spiritually, and maybe physically.


What about taking those who are stationary off to die?

This seems comparable to the parable of the wheat and the tares.

The tares are removed first, then the wheat is gathered up.

Those that are taken, are given to the eagles (vultures), birds of prey.

The Greek word for “eagle” here is “aetos,” on account of its wind- like flight.

Root word for “aetos” is

“Aer” – where the word aerodynamic comes from


1) the air, particularly the lower and denser air as distinguished from the higher and rarer air

2) the atmospheric region

Here, there is no command to flee.

This is a separate event, independent of a specific final choice to flee or stay, but reflective of a life of choices.


A question is: who is taking them, and how do the takers know who to take?


The clue is in the word “aetos” or root word “aer”

They will be taken to where the creatures (eagles, birds of prey, vultures, etc) or “those in air flight,” gather together, ie. into the atmosphere.


These tares or wicked will be taken into the air! – Not left on the ground. !

They are going into the air, but they are not going to heaven!

This is due to an agreement already present at the time between the taker and the taken.

Apparently, since the “wheat” is still there, it indicates there has been no rapture yet, or no second coming.

It is an earlier event during, or prior to, the tribulation / wrath period.

So, what is it?


The Ascension and 2012

In anticipation of “earth changes,” new age believers have their own rapture, with biblical overtones.

It is a shift in consciousness, and a “activated change in DNA,” dimensional ascension of the earth, where “God” takes people, not Jesus.

“Christ consciousness,” not Christ, is the key.

If DNA is being changed, it is because it has been manipulated ahead of time.

According to one source, there has been a “vaccination” for those chosen.

What is in the vaccine?

It is a metaphysical, psychic, 5 dimensional experience.

This is expected to occur in 2012. So, this is a prelude to the tribulation, or is at the beginning of it.

After the ascension during the winter equinox in 2012, “enlightened” humans will go through many changes in their DNA, and their genetic structure will be altered.


This creates new powers and abilities. Heaven is not mentioned. It is just a “divine energy.”

A “magnetic pole shift” is to occur about or around the year 2012, with massive worldwide flooding, and this is the angel of light’s rescue of his own.

According to “Ascension,” beings from another world will rescue their “offspring” in a “rapture event” comparable to the one with Jesus and his bride.


Final note:

So, if we seem to be missing a “rapture event” in the future, do not be concerned.

There is a better one to follow with Jesus.

If we choose to save our life, by staying in Sodom, staying with the antichrist and his ways, or going in the Ascension, we will die.

If we choose to lose our life, by fleeing “Sodom” and the antichrist, facing possible “fire and brimstone,” and we wait on YHVH God and His Messiah Jesus (Yeshua), we will have eternal life.

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53 Responses to “Fire, Brimstone & the Ascension”

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    November 10, 1987

    My God, may You use me to engrave on me
    everything that Your Heart desires.
    May Your Will be done and Your Name Glorified.

    the time has come to scatter My grains among mankind; forward My Message, I will help you in all your undertakings, let My Words be known, let My creation know of My Great Love, of My boundless Mercy; My reign will be one of Peace, Love and Unity; I have chosen Vassula as an incapable and wretched being, useless and without speech; write this, too; 1 yes, without any basic knowledge of My Church, an empty canvas, where I the Lord was free to cover it with My Works only, so that it is clear that all what is written comes from My Mouth; all acts will be done by Me, through her; I will speak through her, act through her; I have formed her, pouring all My Works on her to enable her to be My bearer for this Message, which will be known;

    will you forward My Message? will you do this for Me? remember, it is I, Jesus, Beloved Son of God, Saviour to all mankind, the Word, who blesses you; I bless your undertakings; whether you will encounter joys or sorrows, be confident; I will give you My countenance; I am before you always guiding you; uniting My Church will Glorify Me! I will lead you into the very depths of My Bleeding Body; I will point out to you My thorns, you will recognise them;

    have no other interest but My glory, never doubt of My Works, Love shines on you, My well-beloved; endeavour and please Me; come, at your side I Am; have My Peace, 2 let us pray to the Father,

    “Righteous One, Beloved Father,
    blessed be Your Name,
    assemble all Your faithful ones,
    let the heavens proclaim Your Righteousness,
    let every lip praise Your Holy Name continually,
    malice must be banished from the deceivers,
    help those whose spirit is crushed,
    revive them as Your Word has guaranteed,
    the vow I have made I will keep and fulfil,
    I pray for Your Churches,
    may they all be one, Father,
    may they be one in You;

    (Jesus helped me to pray. These were His words.)


    1 I heard Him say what follows and I looked at Him embarrassed and hesitant.
    2 Turning to me, Jesus said this.


  2. God said his word is like fire.. Jeremiah 23-29..Is] not my word like as a fire? Saith the LORD; and like a hammer [that] breaketh the rock in pieces?…

    The false prophet Muslims cause FIRE to come down from Heaven AND DECEIVE THE WORLD…Revelation 13-13…This means these false prophets are deceiving people into thinking the Koran is the word of god and the Allah beast is god…
    Matthew 24-14,15 and chapter is about the false prophet Muslims who deceive the entire world with the gospel that goes into all the world.. Jesus calls it the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24-14,15…

    This counterfeit gospel is said to be a CURSE in Zech 35 -1,3…It is called a roll that goes over the entire earth…The word CURSEin this verse is spelled ALAH in the Hebrew root etymology of the word CURSE…

    THE SAME curse ALSO SPELLED alah IN THE ROOT ETYMOLOGY IS THE curse Isaiah 24-6 AND CHAPTER when the entire earth is CURSED..

    Think about it… How else would Satan claim he is god except by a counterfeit gospel and a counterfeit messiah… Koran and mohammad..

    We are eyeball deep in the tribulation….The Chrislam churches are of the tares being removed from Christ’s church…The Muslims have been beheading and murdering people for 1400 years that will not bow to the Allah beast…The Chrislam fools are seeking to save their lies rather than die at the hands of Muslims devils..


  3. Thought = Destiny
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    Our thoughts, become our beliefs;
    Our conscience, becomes our creed;
    Our intentions, become our words;
    Our speech, becomes our actions;
    Our deeds become our character;
    And, our character – becomes our destiny.

  4. I am sorry to say but you better re-read about the wheat and the tares…the tares are not picked first, the farmer says in this story to leave the tares because if you pull them you could damage the wheat…second the rapture is before the tribulation, it occurs between the last verse of chapter 3 and chapter 4…there is no mention of the church from chptr 4-19..that is because the church (believers) are already gone before the tribulation. I will stand on this because its the only thing that makes sense, and if you are a born again believer, God says in his word that we would not go through the tribulation…but hey if you want to wait around to see, i will pray for you…that you will be able to endure those times to come and that you wouldn’t turn against Christ

    • hi shannon

      If you look at Mat 30, you will see the tares are gathered up first…….

      Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

      It seems like we are here until the antichrist is revealed, then we are raptured.

      2Th 2:1 ¶ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,

      2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      So we will be around some. Remember in the 5th seal, christians are martyred.

    • I must agree with Shannon. My belief is that the church has been raptured at Revelation 4:1. There just doesn’t seem to be any other logical explanation as to why the church isn’t mentioned from that chapter until chapter 19. The bridegroom wouldn’t leave part of his bride on this earth during any part of the 7 year tribulation period. It just doesn’t make sense. Also, see Revelation 3:10.

    • Hi Shannon,

      You have fallen into a Greek trap with your interpretaion of Rev. 3-4. The Spring Feasts were fulfilled to the day and hour that they were rehearsed. So will the Fall Feasts. The same word in Greek for church is basically the same word in Hebrew for assembly and congregation which has been around since Sinai. You and all the rest of us will be here until all things be accomplished (less 10 days). Do you honestly believe that this weak generation we live in is going to get a pass while everyone else for the past 2000 years has been tortured, sawn in half, killed, and basically everything else horrible that your mind can conjure? Do you think Yah loved them any less? We as the people of Yah will be purified and it will be as if by fire. Gird up your mind and your heart so that you will be found acceptable to the Father at the end. I am not trying to be harsh, but we had better wake up in this country and stop living a fairy tale that has been handed down to us. This will all happen according to the Fall Feasts of Yisrael, to the very day and hour they have been rehearsed for thousands of years, just as the Spring Feasts were at Yahshua’s first coming!!!!!!!!!

  5. I haven’t read the other comments yet, as I have yet to find my glasses–just came back from evacuation due to the most recent Los Alamos fire.
    I “fled” to California for two weeks to avoid the smoke to which I am extremely sensitive. It was beautiful there near the coast, with clean air at this time, but of course we know it’s under a different kind of threat. Oh so sad that such a beautiuful place is threatened, but I have a good church there which I used to attend years ago….best church.

    So then I came back last Thursday, and by last night I was really sick with a reaction to the smoke in my house. It took over the weekend for the insurance company to consider my claim. Today, hallelujah, there have been four hard working men from Arizona really cleaning things up, and all non-toxically, mostly with water. They know their jobs! They are from Arizona at low altitude and we were talking about the possibility of them moving to mountains.

    Because I got sick last night, very sick, I was in the clinic when they arrived,
    and had both a phlebotomy (removal of excess blood) and a glucose drip, which takes hours. More glucose tomorrow. Thank God I have a doctor who understands the situation! She is leaving for Ohio with her family in the Fall, however. My other disease, the one with high platelets, got better in CA after prayer in church, but the platelets are back up there again today. Really no proper treatment for me, as I react very bacly, even with feet that cannot walk, to chemo. So I praying to the Lord, and also praying for forgiveness of my sins and others’.

    What we had here was indeed sulfurous brimstone, the largest fire in NM history, burned l40,000 acres at last count, but 1000 firefighters kept it out of the town and the national laboratory. I must say that the smoke was a major hazard, though, some of it increased by backburns to keep fire outo of the town. In 2000, we lost over 435 homes with a fire l/4 the size.


  6. Hey Shannon,

    Then why does Jesus tell His diciples in Matthew 24 that He will return AFTER the tribulation?

    Matthew 24:29 IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    And then notice PRIOR to this verse Jesus says this:

    Matthew 24:15When ye THEREFORE SHALL SEE THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

    *So we have the abomination of desolation and shortening of days during the tribulation and then AFTER the Tribulation we have eclipses (2014/2015 eclipes occur on Feast Days) with the stars falling and powers of heaven being shaken “AND THEN shall APPEAR the SIGN of the SON OF MAN in HEAVEN……coming in the clouds with power and great glory……And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (Feast of Trumpets?), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds…..”

    How does the pre trib theory explain the above verses?

    And don’t tell me Jesus was just talking to the Jews, ain’t buying that one 🙂

  7. Lindsey. You have your verses mixed up. Of course HE will return after the tribulation because we who were raptured 7 years earlier will be with him to fight in the battle of armageddon. Yes… there will be some who were not believers when the rapture took place, but they were saved during the tribulation, and they will inherit the kingdom of G-d, but will probably be killed by the anti christ in the process.

    • where is pre trib even found in the scripures?

      I know this is an ongoing never ending G-d help us debate…..but the fact is that we should not follow the doctrines of men (ie pre trib )and should only follow what G-d has to say on the matter.

      • look at Matthew 24. You will see all 6 seals in there and THEN Jesus says, we will see him in the clouds when he gathers us together…..he does not mention the trumpets or vials because that part is not for us.

  8. Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj, prophet of God from India, runs Angel TV. All programmes are end times oriented.

    He has said that when the two witnesses are ministering in Jerusalem, at the same time, a great company of prophets (ordinary people who have surrendered their lives to serve Jesus) will minister throughout the world.

    He has even said that Angel TV will telecast the ministry of the two witnesses. So until that time we will be here!

    Acts 2:17 talks about an end times prophetic annointing. Mighty miracles will be done by the end time generation.

    Where are they? What is expecetd of us?

    • Golda
      I do not know who this guy is, and what he believes, And I am not into the Charismatic stuff, But this is what i feel the Holy Spirit calling me for. If you read the last three beatitudes from the sermon on the mount, you will see where his message comes from. As well as Jesus’ new commandment in John’s gospel. It is nice to know I am not alone in this calling! Thank you!

    • hi Golda

      A profound question. Where are they?

      I hope we all can say to them: Here we are! Let me help!

  9. marianne
    is this the new age stuff you are talking about with regard to nibiru? interesting, a “false rapture” event. It fits well with a false tribulation,no?

    Yes I am still talking about that too!!

  10. Really?
    2012, will be the beginning of a false tribulation orchestrated by the Mahdi, catholic church, mormons, and I guess newagers, and who knows who else.
    Its goal is to make everyone think that the “Jesus” figure who shows up in muslim prophecy, mormon prophecy, about midway through the next seven year period is actually the Christ. This Christ figure will defeat who the muslims call the Dajjal or “false AntiChrist”, who will be a radical Muslim. He will perform a Mock Abomination on the temple Mount. This Christ figure does not have to be a Muslim. This will deceive the Muslims into his service, as he is a cohort of the mahdi. The Psalm 83 war will be led by the Dajjal, as an attack on Israel, which is meant to appear as the Gog Magog war in ezekial. and though God defeats this invasion from afar, this antichrist will take credit, and sign a treaty with many. The dragon, will then give its authority to the AC, in a moment similar to God saying this is my Son in whom I am well pleased, like Jesus at Johns baptism, only much more visible. During that time, all who deny that he is the Christ, and all his signs and wonders, will be Put to death in a mock Judgement, This will mark the beginning of the Actual tribulation. People who are doing the persecuting will think that they are doing the Lord’s work, These are the apostates. This also the time of the two witnesses.
    If you go back and look at the site Abdulladzim left, you will see how the Muslims will explain away the pre tribulation rapture, as well as the fifth seal persecution. What you introduced here is a “false pre trib rapture” event, Its all part of the ploy to make the actual Antichrist to appear exactly as Christ would at his second coming. Once the persecution of the saints, and the two witnesses are dealt with, the Holy spirit will no longer be left on earth, and the Antichrist can “declare himself God” at the temple mount AKA abomination that causes desolation. then he will institute his mark, and begin the Gog magog (actual) war. At which time we know the result, the real Jesus comes in his wrath.
    The message of the two witnesses, who are spiritual beings, and the testimony of the saints, those who choose to go through the tribulation will be vital in order to give those who are making a choice to take the mark or not, to have a choice worth taking. especially once there is no comfort from the comforter(HS).
    As per the discussion I had with IBM, on the antichrist page, the pope will probably declare this Christ figure as one with the HolyGhost, and invoke the Unforgivable sin of blaspheming the HG if we deny that this is the Christ. How many, will be swayed by this? Not to mention the other signs and wonders invoked to prove he is Christ. The only thing that can save the souls of those who would be deceived by these signs and wonders are the testimonies of the saints who will willingly suffer and lay down their lives for others….

    Sorry for not putting scripture notes in there, as I was just writing from what came to me and I am short on time. There is more to this, and itis truly the deception of all deceptions. My heart cries out every time i play it in my head. for I know many a loved one and friend will be swayed by this, and think they are serving Jesus in the process.

    • that sounds like the real tribulation

      • yes, parts of it are, as i mentioned, after the covenent is signed by the ac we enter th actual tribulation or final week. It Just shows how the Ac will receive his power, and how all the elements of the world will fit together to do so. It is quite diabolical. The point being that if you are thinking that the messiah is the one fulfilling muslim prophecy and is endorsed by the catholic church, and fulfills mormon prophecy, new age prophecy etc. you are falling prey to the antichrist’s deception. The real Jesus only stands on the earth once and we must know the signs of his coming. The antichrist will have signs and wonders and false prophets to prove he is the real deal, we as Christians only have the word of God and the Holy Spirit in us to show us his falsehood. The problem is that most Christians do not rely on the Holy Spirit to guide them, and barely read the Word of God, let alone study prophecy!!

  11. ONLY if you ENDURE until the end you will be saved…… no rapture

    • hi bamadeb

      I used the word rapture here because it was a parallel to the ascension.

      But in a broad sense, I just meant when Jesus returns, and we are gathered up to him, whenever that is.

  12. Concerning when tares and wheat are taken: last Sunday a visiting
    pastor spoke about this at the church I attend. He said that the tares grow
    straight up when they mature, while the wheat bends. Thus it is possible
    to see, at the end, which are wheat and tares, and to harvest the tares first, taking them to bundle and burn. In their early stages, wheat and tares are not easily discernible, if at all. So this corresponds with leaving
    all to grow together until near the end.

    He spoke, too, about how self-righteous people think many others are
    ‘weeds”, whether or not they really are.

  13. A personal…food for thought: Ge 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    For me, the sons of God are spiritual decendants of ..believer sons of Adam and Seth..(Jew) . Ge 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;’ Cain and his decendents are not included in the geneology of Adam …sons of God …since Cain chose to be son of ‘that wicked one.’.. (Gentile) 1jo 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.’ From Seth (only son of God since Cain killed Abel) down, the children of God…later called Israel …were commanded to not marry gentile or non-believers. One example is Jacob…Ge 34:14 And they said unto them, We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us: 15 But in this will we consent unto you: If ye will be as we be, that every male of you be circumcised; 16 Then will we give our daughters unto you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we will dwell with you, and we will become one people. 17 But if ye will not hearken unto us, to be circumcised; then will we take our daughter, and we will be gone.’ But the day came when the decendents of Seth (sons of God) began to inter-marry and to follow after other gods and idols….to turn away from God’s laws and ordinances…to marry non-believers….to choose the ‘fairness’ of flesh over ordinances of God. But all of them were ‘man’ created in the image of God….and the physical awesomeness created in them by God was incredible. ‘Ge 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.’ As the verse explains, the race of giant men were present before the intermarrying began. I try to imagine the genetic offspring of a purer gene pool…which existed in a purer geological environment…one closer to the original time of creation. Wow! I can only imagine the ‘fairness’ of the trees, flowers, animals, especially man as he existed in a time unlike the polluted days which came later.

    Just saying… My take on ‘the sons of God’ and the ‘daughters of men.’

    • hi internet elias

      So you are saying that the sons of Seth married the daughters of Cain, and the giants were something else?

      Well, I guess that could work, but how did the giants gets produced?

  14. Yes, saying the ‘sons of God’ were the faithful and obedient decendents of Seth (Israel) and they intermarried with the ‘daughters of men’ (gentiles) who likely had genetic links to the giants,,,thus the offspring of some of these marriages were ‘mighty’ in stature. The intermarrying with gentiles was a spiritual pollutant to the nation of Israel. Saying, too, that the giants were a very present race of people who had been around a long time…who were basically defeated as Israel possessed lands after the Exodus. Don’t know if the ‘giant’ gene manifested only in males or if there was also giant females. Only the males are mentioned. Don’t know if these giants were normal or the result of genetic mutations e.g. some seen today who are afflicted with growth hormone disorders which causes tremendous overgrowth. But, in my understanding, the point of the verse below is not that giants existed, but rather that the sons of God (Israel) had begun to intermarry with the daughters of men (gentile decendents of Cain). Apparently, there were no pygmy genes…lol.

    Ge 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    Nu 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

    De 2:20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

    De 2:21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:

    De 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

    Jos 12:6 Them did Moses the servant of the LORD and the children of Israel smite: and Moses the servant of the LORD gave it for a possession unto the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh.

    • In nature, when you mate two closely related species together, yo can generate a larger hybrid. So something would have been genetically different about the daughters of Cain to begin with. Maybe they are the ones who mated with fallen angels…..or ..something else, since they were perverse.

    • Are you two thinking that the Nephilim will return? Or are you saying that somehow this ascension event you described above is the result of fallen angels? Just trying tie your discussion to the topic at hand.

      • hi dru

        It is not what I think, but what new agers think. They claim to have contact with “aliens” and many of them will be taken out of here before nibiru comes and / or and the pole shift occurs. Also, many of them claim to be “indigo children” as their DNA has already been altered to be ready for their ascension to their ancient parents.

    • Hi Internet elias,

      Interesting theory? Would it be possible for you to also explain where all of these Gentiles came from way back then? Do you believe that they were Hominids? (If so, Hominids weren’t particulary attractive.)
      As well, what is it in you opinion was Jude referring to within the context of Jude 1:6?


  15. In my view…mating with spirit beings is not possible since they are unseen and must indwell flesh physical bodies as shown by those asking Christ to send them int0 the herd of swine. Had servants of Satan mated with flesh and blood the offspring would be flesh and blood offspring of Satan. Bible says we don’t ‘wrestle against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places.’ I don’t believe it is possible for spirit beings to mate with flesh beings. Just sayin…lol…my take on scripture.

    • Hi Internet elias,

      Wouldn’t there be a difference between spirit beings, (the evil spirits of the nephilim after they have died, as explained in the Book of Enoch) as opposed to either angels or fallen angels?
      In Scripture it appears that angels can take any physical form that they desire.

      In Genesis 19 the inhabitants of Sodom wanted to have their way with the angles.

      in Hebrews 13:2. we are told to entertain strangers because they could very well be angels.
      Wouldn’t this would mean then, that they can be indistingushible from man himself?

  16. I have been reading through everything here, and though I believe in Christ and fear him and the father, I know I am not close and cannot hear them speak to me, or if I have I don’t realize it!

    But as for this rapture thing and tribulation and 2nd coming.. I am confused by all means possible! About people being raptures and coming back with Christ or do we all leave when Christ returns or do we fight the battle with him.. Do we as Christians see the sun turn black the stars fall to earth.. What happens in 2012? What’s going on I’m so lost.. All I know is to not believe the false men on tv and to not believe in religion than God will lead you!

    I’m lost.. Someone help me here.. Do we go through the tribulation?! What if the saved are raptures? Can you be saved before christs second return?! Will we go through the 7 years on earth?! I’m lost

    • Hi Serilei,

      We are all lost. 🙂

      All any of us can really do, is express our opinions based upon our own interpretations of Scripture. None of us can say unequivocally that this, or that is the truth. We will all have to what and see as things unfold the way that God has them planned to unfold during end times.
      Don’t be worried, or be in fear. Simply abide in Yeshua and walk in the Spirit.

      Be Blessed

    • dear Serilei

      You sound sincere in your beliefs and desires to be close to God, and our savior Jesus.

      I will try to make the explanation simple, because many people try to make it complicated.

      Do you have a bible? You will be able to read what I tell you.

      1. In every generation for the past 2000 years, people have died, and there was no rapture.

      2. The rapture, or meeting Jesus in the air, is a future event.

      3. In this generation, there will also be people who will die before anything happens, mainly old people.

      4. read the book of Matthew, chapter 24. Jesus tells his followers that they will go through a great tribulation. He then describes it. In every generation, Christians have suffered persecution, antichrist heresies, war, famine, disease, etc. He told them that if the world hated him, it will also hate them.

      5. The first 6 seals (Book of Revelation) are antichrist spirit, war, famine, pestilence, martyrdom.

      6. Jesus describes these same events in Matthew 24 – these are problems we must endure to the end.

      The last 7 years are the most intense. It starts off with troubles, like we see now, for 3 1/2 years, until the Antichrist reveals himself. Then the last 3 1/2 years are very bad.

      The time of Jacob’s trouble, is the second half – another 3 1/2 years. Many people hear the 2 witnesses sent from God, and are converted to Jesus and saved during this time. However, many may die for their faith.

      7. Jesus does NOT say that the rest of the book of revelation events (after chapter 7) applies to Christians. This is the wrath of God poured out on the wicked. Christians do not suffer these events.

      8. Jesus says in Matthew 24 that AFTER this time of great tribulation, the sun will turn dark, the moon will turn red, and there will be a great earthquake. This is the 6th seal.

      9. He then says when this happens, look up, because he will then have his angels gather us from all over the earth.

      10. So this is the rapture. (rescue)

      11. the wicked then suffer wrath of God, after we are rescued.

      12. Jesus returns with his saints ( that is us) to stop the battle of armageddon and save whoever is left in Israel.

      is this clear? this is what I believe.

  17. marianne,the ascension theory your speaking of comes from the ascended master maitreya and sananda{who claims hes the real jesus}.these are false prophets or anuk that will deceive the world in the about them and especially the one that claims hes jesus{sananda}.these could very well be a form of antichrist and false prophet. they teach we all have gods inside us and a christ consiencous. that what we believe we recieve. thats the law of attraction garbage to some extent. their false religion goes totally agaist the truth the bible teaches.remember,the devil can speak 90percent of the truth,but the 10percent thats a lie can be so extreme it will decieve all.god bless you and all youve done

    • hi evm

      I agree. And before maitreya there was someone else with this same heresy. We have to be careful to watch for the 10% that is not true.

  18. There were two ‘men’ in a bed, one was taken the other left….

    Cor 15
    The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

    We are all two ‘men’.

  19. One of the confusing things about prophecy is that it’s not always in chronological order, and even when it most likely is, it’s hard when you connect the visions of different prophets chronologically. One thing I’ve read in the Book of Enoch (which seems to have picked up a lot of nonsense over the years, but certainly has some truth in it) is that Enoch already knew that God was going to destroy the world, though he didn’t know if by fire or by water. So Enoch wrote his book in stone and clay (I’m paraphrasing, feel free to correct me guys), so that if by fire the clay would survive, and if by water the stone would survive. If this is true, which it is hard to tell as it is not part of the canon except for the Ethiopian Church, this would mean the Enoch got THE vision of everything that would happen, since before the flood even happened and the world as we know it (lower oxygen levels, no dragonflies the size of your head, no dinosaurs) came to be, yet he didn’t know what all of us know today, that the flood came first. So that would explain part of why God has “switched” to fire and brimstone. Also, even in the Torah God promises to Noach with the rainbow never to flood the world again. A side note, he gives Noach seven laws that correspond to the colors of the rainbow, and in Hebrew seven is שבע and to swear is להישבע. So some of the rapture stuff I’m actually not seeing happening for possibly another thousand years. Because with faith it’s possible to survive the time of trouble, and what’s the point of doing all of it if he’s just gonna take us up. And how could good people who realize towards the end what’s going on and choose to repent, but the rapture-ship already left… I also think people take advantage of the rapture idea to spread fear. What happens in 1000 years is good to know for comfort, but I don’t thing too much about it on the day to day.

    • shalom “s”

      The issue of the rapture and its timing is always up for debate on this site. In a thousand years, I will not be here anyhow.

  20. So real eye opening confirmations has the Lord sent to the Bride to get ready. One of which that needs to be mentioned that along with the spirit of compromise for peace and unifiying a one-world religion. One of the most beloved individuals ever in American political office of the president was Ronald Wilson Reagan. He always posed as a right wing republican conservative. And was the first nominated presidental canidate ever to ask the entire nation of nationwide television audience to pray. Then almost like a miracle was credited with bringing down the Berlin wall and ending communisim and the Soviet Union. He was the first to speak of a One World Order. He was the first ever before the UN to acknowledge his belief in Extra trestrial life, and the launching of star wars. He also is memorialized sitting on a white horse. And recently a promo graphic photo has been published of Reagan on this horse along side with Sara Palan..
    Also remember Bush Sr. also promoted a New World Order. as well as Bush Jr. Now a promoslem is the elected president of America..the promoslem is obiviously antichrist. But , as this entire plan has been moving into place in accordance with Matthew 24:15. And Luke 20:21.
    Most have been dellusioned by the last 3 presidents. I hate to admit it cause I always felt alot of admiration for all of them. But, too many things now are coming to light. Especially since our culture has been so motivated by the Hollywood science fiction. Mainly regarding outter space settings . And the over whelming number of cases of UFO’s. All of which is part of the entire deciteful plan.

    Sit back for just a moment and think about this: First read the actual event told to the diciples by the two clothed in white in Acts 1:11, and you can also find this in old testiment prophecy of the return of Christ in Zach chapter 14. Now , inorder to create an illusion such as the world has never seen the great dragon has to decieve by counterfieting the event of Christ feet touching down on the Mount of Olives.

    Imagine a special news bulletin of a mysterious happening on the Mount of Olives where it appears and Extra trestrial has touched down in Jerusalem. The dragon has to produce a near perfect event so close to the actual event to come that even the elect if not careful will be decieved. UFOs , extratrestrials , Star wars, Allien abductions, All of them are the biggest hoax ever to be brought on to the world. And it is re enforced with all your favorite productions for years going all the way back to Buck Rogers..

    I tell you take note brothers and sisters, satan is protrayed as having a red suit , pointed tail, carrying a pitch fork. Guess where this came got it . A silent movie produced for the first time represented satan this way.

    It’s more than here… it has already begun…and the curtain is about to close. God Bless & God Speed… Buzza Shuck

  21. First, Marianne and commentors, I am grateful for Marianne’s heart for seeking wisdom and knowledge through the Word. I am grateful for all the commentors who are doing the same. What a blessing. How very limited are the opportunities to encounter people who dive deep into Biblical prophecy and man’s relationship with God. Now…here’s my offerings on the subject at hand.

    Days of Noah
    (“Flesh” had corrupted the earth – ungodly union of fallen angels and mankind – violence fills the earth ) Ge 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.’ Cain, according to Eve’s words, was ‘a man from the Lord’…thus being a ‘man’ he was a son of God. Cain later became a son of ‘that wicked one’…by choice. (1jo 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous. ‘) Cain was guilty..deliberately…of the following by way of rejecting the blood sacrifice which pointed to the atoning Christ and put in its place the earthy . ‘Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” In my understanding, ‘flesh’ indeed had corrupted the earth by way of following the way of Cain …following desries of the flesh (evil/Satan) rather than following after God/Good. For generations, the sons of God had married and procreated among their own spiritual kind…children of Light….according to the examples of God, Adam, Eve, and Abel. God killed the animal to ‘cover’ Adam/Eve’s transgression…’Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins’. The animal which surely was a lamb pointed to the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Adam, Eve, Abel and the many obedient who followed them knew the importance of obedience, of the Lamb’s blood as an offerning to God, of following the commands of God, of fellowship with God…and of becoming one with their own spiritual kind. They encounted Good in Eden with God. Later they encountered Evil at the Tree of Knowledge. They now have an intimate knowledge (understanding) of both ( Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: …). The time came when many of these sons of God started on the path of Cain…to choose to give in to fleshly desires. The sons of God followed the clearly identified three step progression to evil as explained in the following. Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.’ Step One: Drawn by Own Lust (began to consider things other than the daughters of God)/ Step Two: Enticed …(began to literally look at the taboo women) ‘saw that they were fair’ ./Step Three: Lust Conceived …( marital intimacy…became one with evil.) Now, like Cain, they had become sons of the wicked one and no longer sons of God….and ‘sin when finished is death.’ Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth;…’.

    They left off following the precepts of God and the outcome was spiritual corruption…judgement…then God’s wrath on the wicked….except for Noah and his family (Church) who found ‘grace in the eyes of the Lord’….who were lifted up ….high above the destruction by way of the Ark of safety (God).

  22. Puzzle ???

    After being TOLD to flee, presumably to save one’s life, we are then told that if we seek to save our lives, we will lose it.

    I believe those told to ‘flee’ , to not return anywhere for anything….points us back to Egypt and God’s protection of the children of Israel and the wilderness experience where ALL needs were supernaturally met e.g. manna. No need to buy or sell since God provided manna. Too, their clothes didn’t wear out since God preserved even their clothing…no need to return to Egypt for more. Rather than being a mystery, I believe these scriptures are renewal of God promise that He is our rock, shield, deliverer, fortress, and strength. Too, the ‘flee and don’t return for anything’ message corresponds with Mt 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? :31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

    Luk 17:33
    Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

    I believe the answer to this puzzle is that He refers to both physical and spiritual ‘saving and losing.’ We ‘take up the cross’ when we die to self as Christ did and accomplish the will of the Father. ..and are moved from death to Life. Those who ‘seek to save his life’ are those who think only of…and only serve…self (flesh/evil/mammon). They are those who, under the judgement of God, are sent ‘strong delusion’ so they believe Antichrist, receive the Mark of the Beast,(seal of Satan) and are damned.

  23. Hi Internet elias,

    Interesting theory? Would it be possible for you to also explain where all of these Gentiles came from way back then? Do you believe that they were Hominids? (If so, Hominids weren’t particulary attractive.)
    As well, what is it in you opinion was Jude referring to within the context of Jude 1:6?


    alienated said this on July 21, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Reply

    Yes, Alienated. The gentiles were all who followed the way of Cain. They lived and produced over many generations. Sin was the ‘leaven’ that corrupted the whole barrel which became rotten apples..starting with Cain. .lol. These rotten apples were …and are known as gentiles.

    About Jude 1:6 Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation…’, are Lucifer and his followers who rebelled against God in Heaven….according to Isaiah chapter fourteen.

    ‘he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day.’:.. The ‘everlasting chains’ is God’s everlasting authority over Satan. . The battle was won before it started. It was always Won. Satan is God;s ‘everlasting’ prisoner….from before the ‘lamb slain from the foundation of the world.’ The ‘chains’ are the strength of Christ’s atoning blood and the pouring out of his soul to death. One could say Christ put them on Satan eternally when He took the keys of death and hell from him during the three days of His death. The ‘everlasting chains’ are the same ones of Rev. 20:2 .

  24. 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee; hide thyself for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
    21 For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of His place to visit upon the inhabitants of the earth their iniquity; the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
    ןIsaiah Chapter 26

    18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! Wherefore would ye have the day of the LORD? It is darkness, and not light.
    19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; and went into the house and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
    20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? Even very dark, and no brightness in it?
    Amos Chapter 5

  25. Are Messianic Jews Part Of The Church?

    Q. Can you clarify if converted Jews that are now part of the church are supposed to keep the law? I’m not referring to the sacrifices, but to the feasts, kosher eating, observance of the Jewish calendar. Some family members who are Christian are now part of a Messianic congregation and they acknowledge salvation through Jesus, are now only eating kosher, keeping their feasts, and say we are drafted into Israel and the early church members were Jews that still kept all of that.

    A. I know there are Messianic Jews who choose to keep at least part of the Law. It’s like they have one foot in the Old Covenant and one foot in the New. The question is whether they just want to follow the tradition to learn from it, which is OK, or whether they’re trying to either complete or maintain the work of their salvation, which is not. Any path to salvation that combines grace and human effort is destined to fail because it ultimately leaves us responsible for our own salvation. Romans 3:20-22 says no one will be declared righteous by observing the Law, but only by receiving the righteousness that comes through faith in Jesus Christ. You can’t have it both ways.
    Paul wrote that regardless of background, a member of the Church is no longer considered either a Jew or a Gentile (Galatians 3:28). He also said not to let anyone judge us by what we eat or drink, or with regard to religious festivals, new moon celebrations or sabbath days. He said these were a shadow of things to come but the reality is found in Christ (Colossians 2:16-17).–see—- and get all answered

    • hi ed

      I would not actually agree with that position.

      If we disregard the law, then why obey the 100 commandments. What jesus did away with was the sacrifice for sins, not the entire OT with the feasts.

      The feasts are not works, they are celebrations of the Lord, and kosher is just good nutrition.

      In fact, the bible states that Jesus will celebrate the feast of tabernacles on his return, so it means that these are still to be observed.

      I feel it is the gentile church that has sterilized the bible, and made it empty of Gods presence by removing these feast celebrations.

  26. there are many extratresrials liveing the mountians of ojai ca.93023 ufos all over on the the rocks on cliffs in brush . they camo verry well not to be seen.but they have flase some part of them can be seen,from there i can find a big groop of them liveing un notice by any humans till i come along. i look at them for awile studdy every bit of information i can befor they all blend into the mountains total camo then there gone out of sight. then i look elswear i find them 40 feet away in a groop about 7 or 8 they are so close but they dont want me so close i study the river then ill spot one two then five in the watter so close. im afraid to go alone to touch them

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