Flood Before Days of Peleg


Basin or global food?

Flood preceded the continental divide:

1 chronicles 1:19.

Fifth generation after Noah.

17 The sons of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram, and Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Meshech.

18 And Arphaxad begat Shelah, and Shelah begat Eber.

19 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother’s name was Joktan.

Which means the earth remained a Pangea during the flood, and was divided later.

Peleg seems to be in the same generation as Ham’s descendent Nimrod (tower of babel), so as God divided the nations according to language, he also may have separated them onto different land masses.

**note: It is interesting that such a dramatic event of land division has little written evidence in ancient literature.

While I have always thought of Noah’s flood as global, it also makes sense that he was to float on water for a year, then find his way back to Mt Ararat, all from a starting point of the Middle East.

It is obvious that if Noah knew where he was after the flood receded, it must have been because he was there before, and recognized where he was.

If the flood was global on the earth as we know it today, then it would have been easy to float too far away, to the opposite side of the earth, and never make it back to his starting point.

Since the earth had not been “divided” yet, this suggests a Pangea, or one main land mass.

Could a Pangea model be developed to verify a basin area where the flood took place?

Maybe this?


Basin Design # 1

The land would be arranged so that a natural basin would be formed with a circle of mountain ranges and a central valley / basin. The mountains would naturally contain the water in the basin.

Here is a current map with mountains (brown color)



Mountain ranges surround the Mediterranean Sea to the north. The plains of Africa to the south have no mountains, except to the far south.

If north and south America were joined to the land mass in a pangea, the mountain ranges on the west side of the Americas would provide the western ranges to enclose a basin.

The red line outlines existing mountain ranges in the Pangea below.

The visible mountains close to the Mediterranean were covered with water,, but we do not know if the mountains far away were or not.




Basin design # 2

One theory is that the flood took place in the Caspian sea area:


AS in the basin design #1, how far past the covered mountains did the water go?


Basin design # 3

Empty Mediterranean and Black Sea basins that filled up with breaches at Gibraltar and Bosporus inlets


This model interestingly starts the flood close to what would be the Tower of Babel. It seems to be a bad, sinful area.




Basin Design # 4

Global world wide flood

In this model, Pangea or not, the mid Atlantic ridge and the Pacific ridge (and other ridges) are thought to have been formed from waters of the deep bursting through the crust into the air, covering the entire earth with extra water.


Noah’s Flood and the Mid Atlantic Ridge

Earth Was Divided

Other thoughts:


In the Genesis account of Noah’s flood, the words and phrases used to describe the event paint the picture of it being a worldwide catastrophe:

So God said to Noah, “I have decided to destroy all living creatures, for they have filled the earth with violence. Yes, I will wipe them all out along with the earth!” (Gen. 6:13, NLT)

“Look! I am about to cover the earth with a flood that will destroy every living thing that breathes. Everything on earth will die.” (Gen. 6:17, NLT)

“There must be a male and a female in each pair to ensure that all life will survive on the earth after the flood. Seven days from now I will make the rains pour down on the earth. And it will rain for forty days and forty nights, until I have wiped from the earth all the living things I have created.” (Gen. 7:3b-4, NLT)

Noah was 600 years old when the flood covered the earth. He went on board the boat to escape the flood—he and his wife and his sons and their wives. (Gen. 7:6-7, NLT)

After seven days, the waters of the flood came and covered the earth. When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky. The rain continued to fall for forty days and forty nights. (Gen. 7:10-12, NLT)

Finally, the water covered even the highest mountains on the earth, rising more than twenty-two feet above the highest peaks.

All the living things on earth died—birds, domestic animals, wild animals, small animals that scurry along the ground, and all the people.

Everything that breathed and lived on dry land died. God wiped out every living thing on the earth—people, livestock, small animals that scurry along the ground, and the birds of the sky. All were destroyed.

The only people who survived were Noah and those with him in the boat. And the floodwaters covered the earth for 150 days. (Gen. 7:19-24, NLT)

Some scholars have taught that the flood was local, and did not cover the entire earth. They point to words or phrases such as ‘all flesh died’ (Gen. 7:21) as meaning all living things within the local area. But when a word can have more than one meaning, the context must define its true meaning. In Genesis 6-10, the context is one of a global Flood!

In these five chapters, words and phrases of a global scale are used more than 30 times. In every instance, the primary meaning is global, and in totality.

If you compare this with the words of Jesus, Isaiah, Peter, and the writer of Hebrews, you see that a global destructive flood is assumed.

“Just as I swore in the time of Noah that I would never again let a flood cover the earth, so now I swear that I will never again be angry and punish you.” (Is. 54:9, NLT)

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matt. 24:37-39, NLT)

They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. (Luke 17:27, NLT)

By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. (Heb. 11:7, NLT)

… who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. (1 Peter 3:20, NLT)

If Noah’s flood were merely local, Jesus’ comparison of the judgment on the people in Noah’s time to the coming judgment of all men (Matthew 24:37-39) makes no sense. Jesus Himself makes it clear that Noah’s flood was, indeed, a worldwide flood.

There are various flood traditions in different cultural histories


Perhaps the second most important historical account of a global flood can be found in a Babylonian flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

When the Biblical and Babylonian accounts are compared, a number of outstanding similarities are found that leave no doubt these stories are rooted in the same event or oral tradition.

Take the seed of all creatures aboard the ship Gen. 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring.
I boarded the ship and closed the door. Gen. 7:1 Come into the Ark
Gen. 7:16 The Lord shut him in.
I sent out a dove . . . The dove went, then came back, no resting-place appeared for it, so it returned. Gen. 8:8 He sent out a dove…But the dove found no resting-place . . . and she returned.
Then I sent out a raven . .it was the waters receding, it ate, it flew about to and fro, it did not return. Gen. 8:7 He sent out a raven, which kept going to and fro until the waters had dried up from the Earth.
I made a libation on the peak of the mountain. Gen. 8:20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord (on the mountain) and offered burnt offerings.




While the basin model is very logical, the global flood seems to have more scriptural evidence.

There is another “flood” coming, but it is mainly with fire. A pole shift has also been predicted which will include massive flooding.

Regardless of the nature of the disaster, we all need an ark.

But this time, the ark is a person, not a boat.

His name is Yahshua (Jesus).

Without him, no matter where you are, or where you hide, you will be lost and die an eternal death.

Take 5 minutes and think about your future. It is just around the corner, and your time is really up. We are on borrowed time right now, but it will not last much longer.

There is only one Father God, and only one Son of God. The Father sent His Son to atone for your sins.

If you accept this and repent of your sins, you will be saved. If you do not accept this, you will be lost and destroyed.

This is not meant to intimidate people into being saved, but this is a reality that has to be faced. And this post is a warning written out of love.

The choice is yours.

137 Responses to “Flood Before Days of Peleg”

  1. Am highly delighted to read this!

  2. Blessed detail of Noah’s Flood is provided in The Book of Jubilees
    The Book of Enoch
    A basin indeed surrounded by mountains and into it point seven separate immense conduits bringing geological water from immense resevoirs such that all that water suddenly breaches the mountains and sends out a geological tsunami around the entire world, killing all large animal life. This is why animals had to be saved along with righteous man and his family. After the destruction those same seven openings reopened and took back into the earth the water.

  3. 7~25~5999 (out of 6000) in these LAST DAYS
    Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns VERY SOON!
    Will it be on or before Yom Kippur, Day of Atonement,
    10~20~2018?? Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED
    in THEM. Revelation 14:1 HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

    Very interesting! My understanding is that the Great Worldwide
    Flood happened roughly the year 2000 (end of 40 Jubilee years). Yahshua died for us in18 A.D. (end of 80 Jubilee years). Yahshua comes for us
    on Yom Kippur, 2018 (end of 120 Jubilee years).
    As a young girl I saw fossilized sea shells high in the Rocky Mountains in Colorado. I have no doubt that this flood was world wide.


    • interesting you saw sea shells in the rocky mountains

      how do you get Yahshua died in 18 AD, instead of 27 AD? what is your reference?

      • http://www.biblicalfoundations.org/when-was-jesus-born-and-when-did-he-die This is the site. Comment #11 (Chrisso) started me thinking.
        Most of the replies show belief in the Christian time setting except this one. However, born 15 B.C. Yahshua would have died (for us) in 18 A.D.
        Yom Kippur 2018 will be 10~20 not what most Jews will be keeping. 10~1~2017 is Yom Kippur this year. By this time prophecy may speed up. CHOOSE YAHWEH AND YAHSHUA NOW!

        • how do you know he was born 15 BC?

          • Who knows for sure? It makes sense to me that great lies are told about His birth and death years. They have lied about His Name. After all, the year “1”, supposed year of Yahshua’s birth, was determined by a Roman Catholic monk. If Yahshua’s birth was in 15 B.C. we would now be in year 2032. 2018 would be year 2033.
            It is in the Vatican’s interest to lie and deceive all Bible believers.

  4. The Grand Canyon seems to have evidence of flood formation of some sort.
    One way or another at some point both Eden and Jerusalem occupied the same spot at the center of the earth.
    Will the earth eventually be reshaped this way once Yah does all the final housecleaning here (as in a new heaven and earth)?

  5. “The name of the one was Peleg because in his days the earth was divided”
    This is very interesting because in Deuteronomy 32:7,8 Moses reminds the children of Israel that God divided the nations according to the number of the children of Israel which could mean the nations can be divided into 12 sectors so that when Jesus returns every surviving people group(those who survive the tribulation) will be adopted into a tribe because once a person receives Jesus they are counted as the seed of Abraham.

    • It seems to me that it was the earth (land) that was divided. Even now the continents look like they can fit together like a puzzle. No one survives the tribulation unless they are SAVED and SEALED through the Father (Yahweh) and the Son (Yahshua). The tribes of Israel (Revelation 14) are mentioned as SEALED. The pagan Greek name Jesus is the meaning of the #666 . Revelation 13:18 Greek Diaglott Free on The Web

    • amen

  6. In the book of Jasher a full detail of God allowing his people to die off first, with the exception of Noah and his family, before the Flood occurs. He also has his prophets , Noah and Methuselah to forewarn the people for 120 years before it happens.

    The land is later divided in two ways:
    1. Land is divided to the sons Shem, Ham and Japheth
    2. and the land was split during Peleg time

    So much detail is missing from our today’s Genesis that is shameful but thanks be to Yah he allowed the statement of book of Joshua and in Numbers to mention the book of Jasher as if he was attempting to have those who want a deeper understanding to “seek and find” this elusive book.

  7. Yes the Book of Jasher seems to be another reliable source – it seems the Apostle Paul relied on it because he mentioned Jannes and Jambres opponents of Moses who are only mentioned by name in the Book of Jasher. Also if you look at the Sumerian King List it shows the ancestors of Noah who ruled Sumeria as kings in succession from Adam (Alulim) skipped a generation and the Book of Jasher says the same and hints at why and this helps to understand the background to the extant text called the Instruction of Sharrapak from around that time purportedly written to record some teachings handed down through those kings before Noah’s generation. So I reckon the Book of Jasher is a reliable source not just religiously but historically. It fills many gaps. It corroborates other texts including scriptures and it has parallel passages with scriptures so similar it suggests it was written by scribes recording those scriptures in the times of Moses and Joshua who seemed therefore to have access to documents from before the Flood and just after it. Perhaps they had documents similar to the Book of Enoch but not much from the Book of Enoch such as passages about angels is included in the Book of Jasher – it avoids angels and focuses on the known history (I suppose only prophets would have known about the angels and understood the angelic origin of the Nephilim).

  8. Me-thinks the pyramids all were built after the Flood but the Great Sphynx might have been built before it. It has evidence of severe erosion and the face on it was put there after the Flood, I think by recarving a pharaoh’s likeness where once there might have been another likeness such as a lion (can’t be sure where I read this). The erosion is in bands horizontal parallel to the ground which looks like where water level gradually either rose up or subsided or both.

  9. All Europe has areas of loess. Could these be left by the Flood. Not sure any of it coincides with sites associated with the exact time the Flood of Noah happened though (between 2500 and 2300 BC depending on which version of Early Dynastic chronology you accept).

  10. Marianne it really is such a blessing to find your blog. I don’t always agree with you – which actually I enjoy. And I love! Your insights, discussions and generous heart.

  11. Marianne, high five and even ten..! We do live under a vaulted dome, not being an umbrella on top of a globe, but the firmament above the plane ‘flat’ earth with Noah & sons already saying: ‘That huge amount of water indeed is level!’ Were they sailing, handling the ship themselves? I don’t think so,
    Did they have nautical knowledge? I doubt, but they had Fathers’ animals
    on board plus themselves, so He did care. (see Ron Wyatt for the details)

    The Hebrews, Israelites, Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks etc. etc. knew the earth is plane. Five ages ago the Jesuits started promoting the sun as being the centre of the so called ‘universe’. We have been fooled, and about that I did feel ashamed, three months ago. And not wanting to stir up your site – did research all your posts – I kept silent. Haha,now you are asking for it, so no, there was not a global flood but a total one.


  12. The concept that there was some sort of natural land-locked basin that held the waters of the flood is completely flawed and unscientific. Pangaea broke apart 175 million years ago and it is still moving. Trying to get Pangaea to work in just a few thousand years is simply ludicrous from a geological standpoint.
    But a local flood is mandatory if one asks the question, “where did all the water go?” however, since a world wide flood would require more water than has ever existed on the earth.
    It turns out the obvious solution is shown in the opening illustration with the ark floating on an invisible containment field holding in the water. God could have created some sort of force field to hold in the water, perhaps the same type of field He used to hold back the waters of the Red Sea long enough for Moses to pass through.
    In any case, the event had to include some almighty power and could not be attributed to natural forces. It seems to me that the force field would be a logical choice rather than having to mangle the entire surface of the earth and speed up plate tectonics to a ridiculous speed to get the job done. And then He would have had to completely modify the earth’s surface to make it appear to have followed the laws of nature for all this time, just to fool modern-day scientists.
    Also, if you read the book of Enoch where he describes the flood, he uses the term “container” four times in his description.
    So a local flood is the only solution that makes any real sense. And the spiritual container idea makes it a fairly simple matter for someone like God to create.
    Of course none of this can be proved. But in general, the simplest explanation is generally the most likely to be true.

  13. The concept that there was some sort of natural land-locked basin that held the waters of the flood is completely flawed and unscientific. Pangaea broke apart 175 million years ago and it is still moving. Trying to get Pangaea to work in just a few thousand years is simply ludicrous from a geological standpoint.
    But a local flood is mandatory if one asks the question, “where did all the water go?” however, since a world wide flood would require more water than has ever existed on the earth.
    It turns out the obvious solution is shown in the opening illustration with the ark floating on an invisible containment field holding in the water. God could have created some sort of force field to hold in the water, perhaps the same type of field He used to hold back the waters of the Red Sea long enough for Moses to pass through.
    In any case, the event had to include some almighty power and could not be attributed to natural forces. It seems to me that the force field would be a logical choice rather than having to mangle the entire surface of the earth and speed up plate tectonics to a ridiculous speed to get the job done. And then He would have had to completely modify the earth’s surface to make it appear to have followed the laws of nature for all this time, just to fool modern-day scientists.
    Also, if you read the book of Enoch where he describes the flood, he uses the term “container” four times in his description.
    So a local flood is the only solution that makes any real sense. And the spiritual container idea makes it a fairly simple matter for someone like God to create.
    Of course none of this can be proved. But in general, the simplest explanation is generally the most likely to be true.

  14. Also, as far as the animals go, a local flood would not require God to magically transport animals from all over the world, only from the area affected by the flood. Some were needed for food and others for sacrifice. Noah and his wife built a “ranch” to raise the animals as well as altars which are there to this day. If you look at the current distribution of animal species across the earth, it could not be explained by Noah releasing two of each species form the mountains near Ararat and expecting them to migrate to Australia, the Americas and the rest of the world, all matched to their environments and many in complete isolation. So how did all the kangaroos and Koala bears get to Australia with none getting sidetracked? I don’t think a worldwide redistribution of animals going from two each in Turkey to what we see today in just a few thousand years.
    Look, God just had to get rid of a few thousand of His unfaithful people who lived in a small area maybe less than a thousand miles in any direction. So why take out every creature on the planet to accomplish such a relatively small task? Is God that wasteful? I doubt it.
    I think a lot of interpretation can be done just using common sense. I’m sure God has the same amount of it as we do.

    • james

      if you look above in the post, I am trying to figure out geographically what would have been the outline or the outer limits of the basin. do you have any ideas about this?

      • As I said, God only had to kill off a certain group of people living in a small area in turkey. If I was to do it, I would encircle all the tribes with a force field, using natural barriers (mountain ranges) as part of the enclosure. So the fish tank would only extend as far as there were people that had to be eradicated. Its probably not possible to know where all of God’s people were located so long ago so we will never know the exact size of the basin. The basin itself may not have been deeper than the local mountains such as Ararat. From a ship at sea the horizon isn’t more than 5 miles away, so as far as Noah could tell, the flood extended out forever in all directions, even though a mountain top might be just over his horizon a few miles beyond his 5 mile visible limit. And of course God could easily have kept the ark near the center of the basin the whole time, keeping mountain ranges out of sight to Noah.
        This is all just speculation of course. God could have done the flood any way he wanted including making all the water out of thin air and then making it all disappear when he was done with it. But if He was going to obey His own laws of physics, then the local flood makes the most sense.

        • i see SOME mountains, but not enough to make a basin

          • Marianne, my understanding is that the flood was caused when the earth was turned on its axis. (Mountain ranges were also thrust up at this time and much of antediluvian wealth and greenery buried to be later discovered as precious metals and coal.) The firmament (water layer) above the earth was broken causing the great deluge over THE WHOLE EARTH.
            The coming total eclipse (only in the U.S.) is at the time of a New Moon. Moslems like to attack at this time. This may bring The Northern Attack of Russia/Iran/allies against Israel AND the U.S.
            NOW is a GREAT time to believe in Yahweh and His Son Yahshua!

            • Amen

            • 4,
              While your understanding of the earth’s history may have been drawn from actual bible verses your interpretation does not jive with actual scientific facts. Only God’s magic could have caused your events. Possible, but scientific records do not line you with it. Not even close. No natural mechanisms and nowhere near enough water.
              As for the second battle of Daniel (Russia/China) coming this month (21st) I believe that is just wishful thinking. The first battle hasn’t even happened yet. I know you think the second coming will be next year so you’ve got to cram a lot of prophecy into the next 14 months but this is really jumping the gun. If Russia and China were planning to move a 200 million man army across the middle east with all the necessary equipment and supplies, the whole world would already know it. With all our satellites, spies and other information collecting methods today, there will never be a sneak attack of that magnitude.
              Unless God is going to place all of the resources in place magically, it can’t happen now even if they started tomorrow.
              So that’s what I think. I guess we will soon see if anything happens.

              • Bible studies at White House. Good change in USA.

              • 8~16~5999 (out of 6000) in these VERY REAL LAST DAYS.

                James, China is not involved in the Northern Attack of Ezekiel 38 – 39. Iran is. If China attacks, it comes after it. Events we know NOTHING about are happening ALL of the time! That’s why most of the events in Revelation are already happening or did some time ago. You do not seem to understand HOW MUCH water the firmament held above all of the earth. Also, turning the earth on its axis could rupture the earth crust causing sudden mountain ranges. All of this happened roughly four thousand years ago.
                And who did this? Yes, Yahweh did!
                Sadly, besides lacking wisdom you also do not seem to have much imagination. Yes, James, you can wait and see. However, remaining Christian, meaning holding on to, “The Mark of the Beast” and NOT being SEALED in the Names of the Father and Son (Yahweh and Yahshua), means that instead of salvation you may experience the plagues that will fully encompass the last year.

                My sincere condolences!


                • I agree, China attacks last, with Russia in the second battle of Daniel.
                  But I don’t buy into your idea that most of the Book of Revelation has already happened, going mostly unnoticed by the rest of the world. None of it could happen until the fig tree blossomed in 1948.
                  As for the earth having rotated on its axis 4000 years ago… it never happened. Geologists and climatologists have proven that. It would have completely changed the earths climate worldwide and astronomy would have completely changed with all the stars and planets etc showing up in completely different locations. It would have been the greatest natural alteration in history and surely would have been noted by someone. But you clam such an event could somehow go completely unnoticed by anyone who might write it down for posterity.
                  As for your “water in the firmament” theory, it is simply impossible. Here is some science: Water vapor is held in the atmosphere yes, but this process is variable and depends on certain variables. The air temperature is critical. The warmer the air, the more water it can hold. But if it cools, some water must be released in the form of rain or snow. Look up “relative humidity” for simple details. For the atmosphere to hold all the water necessary for a worldwide flood, the air temperature would have to be near or above boiling and still wouldn’t hold that much water. Also, there is the matter of atmospheric pressure. Under present conditions we lie under an atmospheric weight of 14lbs per square inch, but we are used to it and don’t notice it. But imagine if there was the equivalent of 7 miles of water hanging in the air. It is still water with the same weight per molecule, so the weight would be identical as if we free-dived to the bottom of the ocean. We would be crushed like bugs. There would be virtually no life on earth, and surely no human life. So the conditions you suggest could never happen, and if they did it would kill all of mankind.
                  So with 5 days to go do you still believe there will be a “Northern Attack of Russia/Iran/allies against Israel AND the U.S.?”
                  Or maybe it will happen but no one will notice it, like all the other Book of Revelation events you claim have already happened.
                  Guess we’ll see.

                  • James, as far as I am concerned, the Northern Attack can happen on any of Yahweh’s Appointed Days of which the New Moons are. I have been believing about this attack since 1982 so in my mind it should happen. This eclipse happens on a New Moon forty days before Yom Kippur which also seems prophetic to me.
                    It seems to me that you have convinced yourself that The Great Flood must have happened according to your own weak understanding. Just reading the Bible verses should clue us in.

                    “But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.” Genesis 2:3 Holy Name Bible

                    The firmament caused this and it was a world wide watering..

                    “In the sixth hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the FLOODGATES of heaven were opened.” Genesis 7:11 And, James, you don’t think that this was enough water to cover the earth??

                    It’s really sad that you seem to limit your understanding about Biblical history. But it’s HORRIFIC if you have deceived yourself OUT of eternal salvation in Yahweh’s Kingdom of those saved through belief in Yahshua the Messiah, His Son!


                    • As I’ve always said, you can believe in a worldwide flood if you wish, but if so, you must believe that God used His powers to keep all that water in the sky without crushing all life on earth, and after the flood he must have made the water “disappear” somehow, maybe shooting it off into space, but it surely is no longer here on earth.
                      As for the animals, how did all the jaguars get to Sourth America (and nowhere else) not to mentu=ion the kangaroos and koalas in Australia along with thousand or millions of other species all over the globe. You would have to attribute their migration to acts of God also, and the diversity of the human race worldwide in only 4000 years. That couldn’t happen naturally so God must have made it happen without any humans even noticing it. And then He would have to create a false fossil record to match what we know today. Quadrillions of different fossils carefully placed in the proper layers of rocks all around the world.
                      Sure He could do all this. But why? Why not show the flood was worldwide thru geology and animal migration as “impossible to explain miracles?” Then we would know for sure that there was a God. Sorry, but all that is just to illogical for me. I don’t believe God is that silly and trivial and out to fool all mankind and science as to what really happened.
                      So if you are right, there is no proof possible of what happened because God erased it all, so just take everything on faith and your interpretation of scriptures. There is nothing wrong with that. Many people who are ignorant of science have believed that for 3000 years. So one of us has to be fooled and if you don’t believe in science there is no way to prove who is right.
                      So tell me, exactly what do you think it means, “ all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the FLOODGATES of heaven were opened.” I’ve taken 120 units of geology and nowhere have I heard described “the fountains of the deep.” And where are the floodgates of heaven? And which heaven do you think it refers to? The atmosphere or God’s kingdom? There are certainly none on earth right now. You can’t interpret either of these things in a ration, scientific manner. They sound more like an event from a comic book than something natural. So I’m not so sure you can really tell what they mean because they would not be anything us humans would be familiar with. So you can use your imagination to create whatever magical phenomenon you wish, but it is all just a figment of your imagination. And that goes for the rest of prophecy as well. You read, conjure up images in your mind, and you have your interpretation. We all do it and we all come up with different interpretations. That’s why we’re here.
                      But believe me, if Russia were planning to invade Israel in 4 days, we would know it by now. I’m afraid your imagination is running a bit too wild on this prediction.

                    • 8~26~5999 (out of 6000) Sabbath in these FINAL DAYS!
                      Yahshua the on of Yahweh Returns VERY SOON! (Will it be on or before Yom Kippur, Day of Atonement, 10~20~2018 ?) Pray NOW
                      to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM. Revelation 14:1
                      HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

                      James, Yahweh knows EVERYTHING! We, His creations, must struggle prayerfully on in limited understanding. You do not seem to understand that with Yahweh ALL things are possible. I believe that the firmament was in the atmosphere above the whole earth. This means that the earth must be round or all of the water would have fallen off the earth and NO FLOOD. The flood gates apparently were the mechanism Yahweh used to release the water on the whole earth. Before this flood there wasn’t any rain because the firmament watered the earth daily. One reason that the sinners did not believe Noah’s message is that they never heard of rain. Noah and his family were in the ark seven days before the rain started to fall and the fountains of the deep were also broken up. This is ONE big reason WHY we have so much water covering the earth.
                      In four thousand years many changes can happen to the creatures.
                      They can “morph”. Many creatures once known are now extinct. You and I are used to hearing about millions of years of earth history. However, four thousand years are A VERY LONG TIME!
                      We are now in the forty days before Yom Kippur and what I believe to be the beginning of the final 120th Jubilee year and year 6000.
                      Today’s hurricane in the Texas Gulf coast very much reminds me of Noah’s Flood. Through prayer I rode out Hurricane Amelia in 1978 on South Padre Island. It was rough but NOTHING like what’s going on now! What awaits us around the corner?
                      While watching a new series on CBS (Salvation) one character announced that Russian missiles are now aimed at the U.S. I have
                      heard that television programs often hint at the truth.


                    • 4 Yahweh (from above),
                      I have taken too many geology courses (100+ units) and I’ve seen way too much geology in person to believe there was no rain before 4000 years ago. Take the many layers of sandstone and mudstone in just the Grand Canyon. That sand had to be eroded from some other formation and flowed downhill to be deposited in horizontal layers before being covered up with miles of other material until the pressure was heavy and hot enough to fuze the grains into solid rock. This not only takes a VERY long time but also much rain to cause the erosion in the first place. Fossilization also takes much longer than 4000 years to occur. So when you go out and look at the earth you come to realize that certain bible verses can’t be taken literally. No big deal for me. Otherwise God has created one huge lie for us to look at every day. Fake fossils in fake layers. Fake canyons carved in one second by God instead of millions of years by nature. But for what purpose? To teach man that science is a big lie? The same science we used to send probes to all the planets successfully didn’t exist 4000 years ago? Back then the world worked on magic? Tons of water vapor pressure didn’t crush all life on earth? And the greenhouse effect was suspended so the surface temper wouldn’t reach 500 degrees like it does on Venus, with a similar cloud cover?
                      You have to reject so much of human knowledge just to keep your interpretation of a few bible verses? I thought that God was NOT the author of confusion. Guess you’ll have to throw that one out in order to keep the others.
                      But you must believe whatever fits your interpretations. You seem to still think the second coming will be Sep 2018. So you need to throw out the whole tribulation then. Your war with Russia and Islam failed to materialze last week and you are running out of time to stuff in all the other end-time events that are still to come. I suppose you will still be expecting the second coming on the day before it is due, even if nothing else has happened between now and then. Then what? Tears? A whole new backup theory? Or just throw out a new date. Throw a dart at a calendar maybe? So many people, especially on YouTube have been claiming that the second coming will be Sep 23rd 2017… now less than a month away. (John Ashcraft, are you listening?) I’m sensing a lot of disappointment coming soon and for the next year especially.
                      Of course, I could be wrong, but that would be a first.

                    • James, you say that you have never been wrong. In my mind you are WRONG when it comes to the Name of our Creator and that of His Son Yahshua through Whom we have salvation. THAT’S A BIG DEAL! Many of your interpretations are also WRONG because you rely on human understanding that has great limitations. Maybe you should have had MORE Bible courses or at least the teaching of Yahweh’s Spirit! You do not even seem to understand what I write here. If (IF) this coming Yom Kippur begins the last year of this age, Yahshua will come on Yom Kippur, 2018 which is 10~20~2018 NOT what most Jews are now keeping. Maybe more “birth pangs” of His Coming will convince you!

    • As commented by SGreen and myself, you have to add books like the book of Jubuliees, book of Enoch and the book of Jasher back into this equation or our knowledge will be left to our limited understanding and speculation. We must also take into account natural observable phenomena we can see such as Niagara Falls and these pothole located in the middle of lakes (and possibly in the oceans) where tons of water is swallowed up into the earth’s crust.
      I do understand that once Adam and Eve sinned, the earth was affected producing thorn and thistle, the killing of life. Has that not been past on to us? As we continue to sin and disobey it causes the earth to moan and groan( earthquakes ,tsunamis, tornados) for the coming of the Yashua

  15. Dearest Marianne, this is ment personal, so do with it whatever you like. This guy is 72 years young and ‘recently’ and ‘coincidently’ did see a vid about the ‘flat’ earth.. clicked another one.. and got rather astonished..! Studying also the comments – seeming to belong to a ‘war zone’ – he decided to give it a rest for at least a few days..

    That next weekend, giving the ‘flat earthers’ a fair chance, I discovered that vids uploaded by Christians got bombed even worse! Wow, the war was (of course) for a big part a spiritual one, for the verses comming ‘out of an old and stupid book’ , the Word of God, were clear and.. also the visual facts.

    Yes, I felt even a bit ashamed. Of course not believing the evolution theory, the big bang bussiness etc. the theory about the globe got simply accepted.
    We and our parents etc. got indoctrinated by the time it got sold, while men like Martin Luther etc. kept believing the biblical few and firmly protested..!

    NASA, with most of the astronauts being masons like the earlier scientists is also under control of the jesuits. And already Copernicus – Jesuit trained –
    said something like: Sometimes a lie is needed in serving a higher goal.’
    NASA, with the blue marble logo and the red splitted tongue of a serpent.
    NASA, in Hebrew meaning: ‘to deceive’. (The last I didn’t control myself.)

    Yes, the ‘Flat earth conspiracy’ is said to be the hotest item on YouTube.
    By that battle we can read testimonies of people finding their believe in God back and also non believers, athïsts saying God & the creation are great.

    He knows, is this a topic..? That ‘battle’ on your site? A little help:

    Rob Skiba was strugling to, also being a Christian, see the results.


    Marianne, God bless. With respect (!) and love from the Netherlands.


    • olaf

      I think this is strange that this is a topic.

      for me, as long as I do not fall off the earth, it does not matter to me what it is shaped like

      the book of Isaiah describes the earth as a circle….which could either be flat, like a coin or dinner plate, or it could mean round like a ball.

      • “When he inscribed a [circle / edge / horizon] on the face…” [Prov 8:27] clearly the iron age people could see a horizon wherever they stood and wherever they were it was the same distance from them. This proverb describes it (and surely Solomon knew a thing or two) as an edge to the view he had that formed a circle horizontally always around his current position no matter where that was. So this was clearly not the edge of the world itself or the observer would not always be center of the circle of the horizon around them. So they would with insight realise this was an edge formed by uniform curvature of the surface of the earth so they earth must not be flat. If they travelled far they might have a hunch it was spherical because the curvature would result in this exact same phenomenon no matter where on the earth they were. Without worldwide travel it would not be observable that it was a sphere because it could be a hemisphere since they could only go as far as Asia, Africa and the extremities of Europe. Enoch might have gone far enough to know it was a sphere. The Greeks eventually worked it out.

        • good thought

        • Thinking further, The Book of Proverbs (8:27) probably does contain the one proof in the scriptures of the understanding existing a thousand years BC that the Earth is a sphere. “…when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep” has two words that say it all – horizon and face. ‘Horizon’ or ‘edge’, Hebrew chug, indicates they could stand in a boat at sea and in each direction see an edge the same distance from them whichever direction they were and this would be the same in whichever geographical location they were at sea. ‘Face’ literally human face, Hebrew paneh, clinches it because this is used to describe that circle around the observer at sea formed by the horizon. A face is circular. It clinches the proof because a face on a person’s head is curved so the nose is higher than the ears if the face is horizontal and looking from the surface in the centre where the nose is, all that can be seen is as far as the ears and chin and top of head which is here compared to the horizon; and of course the reason for this is that the head is spherical like a ball. So picking these words chuga and paneh to describe the Earth as observed from sea (the deep, Hebrew tehom) shows an understanding of not just a spherical Earth but how the horizon at sea proves that understanding.

  16. Obviously scientists would prefer not to admit it happened because it would take too much effort explaining how it happened without a God.

  17. ENOCH: NOAH’S FLOOD TOTAL BUT NOT GLOBAL From The Book of Enoch (ch 89) – part of a dream in which human characters were depicted as animals: “And one of those four went to othat white bull and instructed him in a secret, without his being terrified: he was born a bull and became a man, and built for himself a great vessel and dwelt thereon; and three bulls dwelt with him in that vessel and they were covered in. And again I raised mine eyes towards heaven and saw a lofty roof, with seven water torrents thereon, and those torrents flowed with much water into an enclosure. And I saw again, and behold fountains were opened on the surface of that great enclosure, and that water began to swell and rise upon the surface, and I saw that enclosure till all its surface was covered with water. And the water, the darkness, and mist increased upon it; and as I looked at the height of that water, that water had risen above the height of that enclosure, and was streaming over that enclosure, and it stood upon the earth. And all the cattle of that enclosure were gathered together until I saw how they sank and were swallowed up and perished in that water. But that vessel floated on the water, while all the oxen and elephants and camels and asses sank to the bottom with all the animals, so that I could no longer see them, and they were not able to escape, (but) perished and sank into the depths. And again I saw in the vision till those water torrents were removed from that high roof, and the chasms of the earth were levelled up and other abysses were opened. Then the water began to run down into these, till the earth became visible; but that vessel settled on the earth, and the darkness retired and light appeared. But that white bull which had become a man came out of that vessel, and the three bulls with him, and one of those three was white like that bull, and one of them was red as blood, and one black: and that white bull departed from them.”

    • Thanks Stephen… just to recap:
      And again I raised mine eyes towards heaven and saw a lofty roof, with seven water torrents thereon, and those torrents flowed with much water into an enclosure. And I saw again, and behold fountains were opened on the surface of that great enclosure, and that water began to swell and rise upon the surface, and I saw that enclosure till all its surface was covered with water.
      So according to Enoch the flood was contained in a “great enclosure.” And it wasn’t rain from a canopy of moisture, it came from seven “water torrents” – sort of as if God turned on a set of giant faucets or fire hoses hanging above the enclosure.
      However God did it, He didn’t have to cover the whole planet which would have required more water than has ever existed on earth. By building the enclosure He could use ocean water to fill the tank, then dig a canyon or two under the tank so the water could flow back either into the Black Sea or the Mediterranean. I’ve often wondered if the flood that is known to have filled the Black Sea might have been triggered by the release of the flood water from nearby Ararat. It is only 200 miles from Ararat to the present shore of the Black Sea, so if the sea was still a valley at the time, all westbound water from the tank would flow into it, and perhaps there were some of God’s people living in that valley (it is not far from Ur) and perhaps the tank extended into the valley in which case the valley would have filled up and flowed backwards (from today) into the Mediterranean Sea thru the Bosphorus straight. Not sure if that could be proven scientifically but it would make for an interesting study. Better than those theories that the filling of the Black Sea (from the Mediterranean) was the flood of Noah.Those idiots haven’t read the bible closely enough to know what they’re talking about.

      • The Black Sea is thought to have had a major geological water-related change at tens of thousands of years ago. Archaeology and texts (including scriptures) support Noah’s Flood being somewhere between around 2500 and 2300 BC (start of the Early Dynasty III). It was after the Uruk Era and before the building of Kish which was capital after the Flood. There are silt layers in archaeological sites of cities such as Shurrapak that coincide with it. The detail from Enoch’s prophetic dream (which was taken seriously enough to be preserved and must have agreed with ancient knowledge of the Flood sufficiently for that to happen, plus for a believer there is its veracity as a Holy Spirit inspired vision) adds that it reached a limit in each direction beyond the bounds of civilised settlements (or ALL settlements) due to high ground and mountains and overflowed them but did not extend in a major way beyond them. Looking at the geogpraphy it might have extended to mountains of The Arabian Peninsular in the South and Palestine in the West and Zagros in the East and Caucasus in the North. It might have been so great as to temporarily gush over these areas like an unparalleled great tsunami. No human in the inhabited lands of Sumer (modern Iraq and South Iran around Shush) survived except those in the Ark. The dream adds detail that angels at least partly built the Ark or perhaps aided and guided Noah in building it. This is interesting in illustrating angel involvement in civil engineering in the ancient world as many legends and archaeological discoveries attest in other cases.

      • interesting . enclosure and drainage

  18. Another contribution from Enoch and from Jasher is in helping provide a possible answer to a big question: What, if Noah’s Flood local, killed people outside its boundaries. One answer provided is that before the Flood happened, in years leading up to it, many died from other causes. So maybe by the time of The Flood the only people left were those within its bounds. Add to this that the reach of its destruction was extended, apparently from Enoch’s prophetic dream fotetelling, by what must have been the biggest taunami by far in human history as water overflowed high ground areas including even mountain ranges and such a tsunami could have extended almost globally given what we know about far lesser tsunamis. So this adds weight to Noah’s family being the only living human family after the Flood. This does have archaeological support since no civilisation around the world (apart from perhaps in Australasia based on flimsy evidence like legends and cave paintings), shows continuity of culture before and after around 2300 BC.

    • Plus the whole purpose of the Flood was to cut back completely to below the root the violence of humans and only righteous humans would be left to start again. This violence and malice of thought was concentrated around Sumer cities and surroundings. Destroying that area completely leaving a righteous family alone to restart accomplished this goal.

  19. For 4 Yahweh from above,
    I say I have never been wrong because I have never made a date-based prediction. I call for watching for signs, like the 7 seals, which you claim have come many years ago and until they start for real, any dates are meaningless.
    There have been many people here on Heaven Awaits who have predicted biblical events leading up to a second coming in 2017 and 2018. I predicted these people would be wrong. Some predicted Obama would never leave the White House and that Jade15 would lead into martial law and that Nibiru was ready to ravage the earth real soon, among many others including many dreams that Marianne posts. I have repeatedly debunked these predictions claiming they would never happen, and so far I’ve been right every time. Of course, that doesn’t mean much since if you asked any 5th grader if they believed these things were about to happen, they would agree with me as would most rational human beings.
    So you are predicting that I will be wrong because my interpretation doesn’t agree with yours. Ell, that also means nothing because most people here have decided on a particular interpretation, mostly the “Left Behind” scenario and they all claim everyone else is wrong. That will take a wait-and-see attitude so cast all the stones you wish and you won’t convince me or anyone else here that you are right.
    As for your 2018 second coming prediction, I know it is false because the other necessary signs including the 2 witnesses have yet to appear. I’m sure that years ago you were expecting many biblical signs to start happening, but at this point it should be obvious you are wrong.
    Tell me, do you believe in the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord? The final year before the second coming. If so, then you must have a bunch of predictions starting this Yom Kippur. Please fill us in so we can know you are correct as soon as possible. Once I know you are right I can set my spell-catcher program to type “Yahweh” every time I type “Jesus” and all will be right with God.
    So when do you think the vial judgements will start? Sores, then the seas and rivers turn to blood etc. Will it be a full year of judgements or can it be put off by 6 or 8 months and still be considered a year by God? I’m just wondering how long it will take before you realize your mistake and start looking for the real truth. I can help with that you know.
    I know things…

    • The most plausible date predictions I’ve come across are the six thousand years Anno Mundi predictions found in The Epistle of Barnabas and (dubious but informative) Second Book of Enoch. The Epistle of Barnabas puts it well that there are six millennia of world history starting from the creation of Adam then a seventh millennium of rest in which The Messiah reigns, then an eighth ageless period. The question then arises when the seventh millennium will start based on when Adam was created and scripture timeline began. Many have attempted to work it out, even Isaac Newton.

      • Many people believe Jesus rose from the dead and then to heaven on the beginning of the 5th millennium. (Adam to Flood to Abraham to first temple being 1000 years apart, then 1000 to Christ on 31AD for the first 4000 years). So if these events are truly millennium markers, we have one firm date we can use to calculate the end of the 6th millennium. That would place it at 2031. Only 14 years away, so it is certainly in the right time frame as far as I’m concerned.
        Some have placed it mathematically at 2017 or 2018, but that is far too soon. But I would say that 2031 is right in the ball park.
        But only if the signs given by Jesus actually happen on time. So don’t mark your calendars quite yet.

        • Well, if (IF!) Yahshua was born circa 15 B.C. we are now in year 2032! I know it must be hard to believe that we have been lied to about the years of His birth and death. Why? They have lied to us about HIS NAME! The beast became the Vatican. The Two Horned beast of Revelation 13 turns its power over to it. The ruler of that government is now President Donald J. Trump, and if he remains,
          the enforcer of, “The Mark of the Beast”, which is Christianity!

          WAKE UP FOLKS!

          • The only reason you believe Christ was born in 15BC is that it gives you an even millennium for a 2018 return. Then you claim the real date is a lie but present no proof of your own date.
            The true date of His death requires a total lunar eclipse visible in Jerusalem just after sunset / moonrise. That event is very rare and didn’t occur for 50 years or more before and after AD31 when it happened perfectly.
            Science proves you wrong, once again.

            • there is some evidence that christ was born in the BC timeframe. alignment of stars to get the star of bethlehem. not sure which year, maybe 3-4 BC

        • I think also that the return cannot be so soon. the bible predicted he would return after the tribulation to get us, not before. and the tribulation has not started yet

          • Marianne, Yahshua’s Return even on Yom Kippur, 10~20~2018, will NOT be too soon for me! I thought that He would come in 1968, the beginning of the final generation NOT the end of it. The final year according to my understanding, beginning on this year’s Yom Kippur, 10~1, will begin an FINAL year of plagues and troubles. The Bible states that those who choose, “The Mark of the Beast” experience the plagues. The final seven year period (of the final 49) began on Yom Kippur, 2010. Since then, there have been all kinds of disasters against US especially Fukushima melt downs in 2011. Passover, 2014, the first Blood Moon, marked the beginning of the final 3 1/2 years of the final seven. Passover, the third Blood Moon, 2015, marked the final 3 1/2 years including the Jubilee year. Some believe that the Blood Moons have significance only for the Jews. I believe that they are signs for those in Yahweh and Yahshua, the TRUE believers. Birth pangs like the present Hurricane Harvey will be worse and worse in the coming months. You seem to be waiting for the tribulation to start. B.O. even Trump are just figure heads used by the Vatican. B.O. rumored to be Moslem seems unlikely to enforce The Mark of the Beast (Christianity!)
            A tribulation against Christians is NOT coming! It is coming FROM the Christians who are in charge of this world. I have been witnessing here (and other places) for many years (decades!) Even a time for choosing to believe the truth may be coming to an end. You are not counted as a believer until you speak up for THEM (Yahweh and His Son Yahshua).


            • Seems like you’ve been expecting the second coming any year for the last 50 years. Wrong every time and wrong again for next year.
              None of the signs given by Christ to the apostles as signs to happen just before He returns have happened yet. So yes, we are waiting for the tribulation to begin, starting with the seals and the 2 prophets which you simply ignore.
              And how do you get that the Vatican controlled Obama’s presidency and is doing the same with Trumps? Our government is controlled by congress primarily, hundreds of individuals with different agendas and less than ⅓ are catholic. The Catholic church does not have enough people to sway congress. And what bills did the Obama administration pass that furthered the catholic agenda? ObamaCare? He never pressed for any religious preferences. And if Trump has a preference it won’t be Catholicism. So you can claim the pope controls America all you want but you can’t find one iota of proof to back it up. And frankly, it just sounds silly.

              • James, Trump is CHRISTIAN. All Christians are Catholic whether they know it or not. Christianity usurped the true Bible faith hundreds of years ago. So sad that you remain deceived!

              • James, it seems that you not only lack wisdom but our very naïve. Yes, I have been expecting Him since 1968. Really, almost ALL of prophecy has been fulfilled. What remains can happen in days. The pope controls all of Christianity because this religion is all Roman Catholic.
                You do not seem to understand what has happened to this government of once free America. Presidents are selected NOT elected by the people
                You are waiting (WAITING?) for the seals to open! First: The rider on the white horse (the Papacy) began riding in the third Century A.D. with Emperor Constantine the Terrible. It’s sad that you are waiting too long to believe the truth!

            • I think there are several points here. if you look at matt 24, yahshua says he will return after the tribulation. does this mean for the bride, or the church in general? the bride may be raptured, while the church in general remains as it is not ready.

              I do think he will return on yom kippur for maybe first the bride before the tribulation, and then the church, 3.5
              years later.

              what we have seen so far may be the birth pangs before the tribulation, and there is more, and worse, to come.

        • 10~10~6000 (out of 6000) 6th Day of Sukkot, Feast of Tabernacles
          The final Jubilee (120th) year and the last year of this Earth age.
          We are IN the Tribulation and have been for at least six years!

          James, when (WHEN!) will YOU choose to open your eyes to the TRUTH? Hurricanes Harvey and Irma caused thousands of deaths in TX , FLA,and Puerto Rico! (Sam Hancock videos on YouTube).
          Now we have terrible wild fires in Northern and Southern CA with poisonous air everywhere here! They say there have been ten deaths but who knows how many? Probably HUNDREDS! These sad events are the preliminaries to enforcing “Martial Law” which is really “The Mark of the Beast”! This may happen this year or next at the time of Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) because Revelation 14 speaks about “First Fruits”. The SEALED are called the “First Fruits”.
          You and all Christians are deceived about Yahshua and His Return because you refuse to believe in HIM and His Father Yahweh. It’s as simple or complex as that. By the way, the first two trumpet judgements were World Wars I and II.


    • just a note…obama never went away, and is planning a return in some way…jade helm 15 was never dismantled, it is still set up…I agree with wait and see, which has been my approach

      • Your interpretation requires Obama to be the Antichrist, so he has to somehow take over the world, chip everyone etc. But even if he could somehow get a third term as president, he wouldn’t have the power to conquer the world. Heck, we can’t even win in Afghanistan. How do expect such a wimpy peacenik president to take over the whole world? The congress would never approve such an attempt and the military would never go along with such a reckless order.
        Jade Helm 15 was a military exercise. There was nothing to “set up.” We are in military exercises right now with S. Korea and Japan. Does this mean something else is being “set up?” What is being set up such that it requires a military exercise to hide it from the public? A meeting in the basement of the White House would have been much simpler and more secret.
        At some point you will have to face the fact that Obama is not the Antichrist and Jade Helm did not set up anything. Trump may be in charge for 7 more years and he doesn’t need any “set up” for anything he is planning to do. And Obama can’t ever come back without a constitutional amendment and the likelihood that that will ever happen is like, .00000001%
        So it looks like you need to find a new patsy for your Antichrist and you need to look for a new, more plausible interpretation of bible prophecy before you get totally left behind.

        • I did not say obama was the ac. but he is evil and part of the elite that is planning to kill trump or impeach him, and take back over control.

          obama was never a peacenik….

          jade helm is still in place….it is not a mere exercise.

          you are a know it all…..so open your eyes… you cannot be part of a solution if you won’t admit there is a problem.

          and obama hated the constitution and violated it constantly…..so does the democrat party which is totally lawless…he still acts like he is president, and does nothing but exalt himself and insult trump. even the RINOS are against trump and for obama….there is an open effort to destroy trump and put obama back in.

          • You had a whole blog on Obama as the Antichrist that ran the whole of his supposedly last administration of the US government. That never happened and the post disappeared.
            I guess I’m not sure what you expect to happen in the tribulation. On one post you suggested a Muslim nation or nations would come to power. So I just don’t see what use Obama would be to the Antichrist. My main point is that he can never be president again and will never have the power to call up the National Guard, or Jade Helm or whatever. He is done with governmental politics. He will probably do some paid consulting and give expensive lectures, but the scenario you are imagining as the end-time tribulation is just not going to happen.
            I’m just suggesting that if you are trying to conjure up a tribulation interpretation to believe in, you should try not to include events that are simply impossible. You keep saying these thing will happen eventually, just based on your own faith in your interpretation. But building an interpretation on impossible scenarios is simply illogical.
            But it seems to work for most people so you are in huge company. Once someone decides on some interpretation they don’t want facts and probabilities to get in their way. And in every case they must ignore huge parts of the bible which don’t match up with their scenarios. But they don’t care about that either. They create their story and they stick to it.
            Many many people presently believe in an end-time scenario that will never happen, with all sorts of impossible events in them. But we won’t know for sure until it all goes down (or not) so as I said before, time will tell.

            • In some countries, Army arrested their leader(President or Prime Minister) and threw the constitution to dustbin and took the power.
              I am in Asia and we do not know what obama is currently doing …any evil works?

            • I only look at possibilities. obama is evil, so I look at him as a antichrist personality, in the same line as hitler, or mussolini, or stalin or even hillary clinton….this does not mean he IS the final antichrist. as I have said before, my personal opinion is that the final antichrist will be muslim, and this is based on scripture definitions, which I have outlined in various posts. obama also happens to be muslim, and exalts Islam over christianity. if this is significant, it will play out. if not, he is just another muslim who hates christianity. obama is fully intending to come back into power. he wants the presidency, but if he does not get it, then his democrat party will boost him into some other position where he can cause more trouble.

    • Marianne, Scripture does not teach any rapture but rather, a sealing. If you finally read the Greek translation for Revelation 13:18 you can determine that the #666 is CHRISTIAN NOT MUSLIM. This Greek number and name also contains a CROSS, X as in Xmas (for the umpteenth time). Again, U.S. presidents are only figure heads put in by the real ruling power which Revelation 13:1 states is the beast (which has become the Vatican.)

    • 9~2~5999 (out of 6000) Sabbath in the Final Days
      Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns VERY SOON!!
      Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM.
      Revelation 14:1 HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

      James, I believe that the vial judgements happen during the final year, the 120th Jubilee, the last of the 6000 years also known as, “The Day of Yahweh” and “The Day of Jacob’s Trouble”. Revelation 16:2 :Grievous sores on those which had “The Mark of the Beast”. (Christianity and its marks!) However, some aspects of these vials have been happening for quite awhile like the three unclean spirits and the drying up of the Euphrates (man made).
      How many MORE disasters must you see to finally believe that we are at the end of days? More wars,tsunamis, massive quakes, Fukushimas, Hurricane Harveys, and financial collapses? The death total is very likely MANY MORE with Harvey. The U.S. government and others are known to keep the totals very low. Add CA wild fires and excessive heat (now) in our area..
      Personally, I believe that the last days should have ended when Jewish babies were marched into the ovens while Jewish prisoners were playing German classical music.


      • Just a heads up! President Donald J. Trump has called for a National Day of Prayer, tomorrow on Sunday 9~3~17 to remember those hurt by Harvey. This is something that I do not remember any president doing before because of separation of church and state. Maybe not anymore. And, so, does IT begin? (Events leading up to Revelation 13:18.)

      • So if the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord begins this Oct 2nd we should be getting reports from Christians on this site of sores developing from nowhere… the first vial judgement by this time next month. Or do you believe God is going to delay the start of His year by some time… a few weeks, maybe months?
        In other words, how long will it take before you admit you are wrong? I don’t need to wait till next month to know it, but I’m losing faith in you fast. 1968 all over again 😦
        well maybe you can just throw the whole 7 vials into the past and claim there will be nothing to see until the day of the second coming. But one thing for sure, you’re going to have to come up with a new “perfect second coming date” so take that old drawing board out of the garage and dust it off.
        You’ll be needing it soon.

  20. Luke 21 : 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17 Everyone will hate you because of me.
    1.————–Still we did not see this betray within the family ——-

    Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    2.——————- May be in future ———————————————

    Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, Dan. 9.27 ; 11.31 ; 12.11 stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand,)
    3. ———– May be in future after above 2 and at the start of last 3 1/2 years. AC will force us to take 666 to do financial transactions —————-

    Order I do not know. But Brazilian seer Pedro Regis says ” long years of trials “. 2017 is only for Israel and mid-east countries considering history 1917,1947-48, 1967. We have more time but God expect us to repent always and purify. Otherwise I personally experienced more troubles in our daily life.

    • 8~31~5999 (out of 6000) in these LAST OF DAYS
      Yahshua the Son of Yahweh will return VERY SOON!
      (Will it be on or before Yom Kippur, Day of Atonement,
      10~20~2018??) Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED
      in THEM. Revelation 14:1


      #1. I was betrayed by my whole horrible family of origin.
      As a baby I was allowed to roll off a high bed and be
      hurt my whole life of these 69 years.
      The TRUTH about Yahweh and Yahshua has been
      taught by me (since 1973) and a few others since the

      The Mark of the Beast, Revelation 13:18 Greek Diaglott, Free on The Web:
      The #666 translates to the pagan name Christos Zeus, Zeus the Savior containing a CROSS, X as in Xmas!, a.k.a. Jesus Christ! This is the evil name of the image (idol) of the beast (which has become the Vatican).

      “Come out of HER My people!” Yahshua the Messiah in Revelation 18:4.

      #2. The “Abomination that maketh desolate standing
      in the holy place” was Antiochus Epiphanes sacrificing s
      pig to Zeus (a.k.a. Jesus Christ) on December 25 in Yahweh’s Temple in
      the time of the Maccabees (Hanukkah). This WAS the 3 1/2
      year period mentioned by Daniel.

      #3. According to my prayerful studies, the last seven years began Yom Kippur, 2010. The last 3 1/2 years of these seven began Passover, 2014 (First Blood Moon). The last 3 1/2 years including the last (Jubilee) year began Passover, 2015. (Third Blood Moon) The final Jubilee (120th) and the last of 6000 years begins on Yom Kippur, Day of Atonement, 2017. In prophecy it has been called “The Day of Jacob’s Trouble” or “The Day of Yahweh”.

      Christian preachers will lead you to be lost if you follow them!


  21. From the Book of Enoch chapter 93: “And Enoch began to recount from the books and said: ‘I was born the seventh in the first week, While judgement and righteousness still endured. And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness, And deceit shall have sprung up; And in it there shall be the first end. …'”
    Enoch was born around 620 Anno Mundi (AM, years from the creation of Adam) – ‘seventh in the first week’ – can be understood as being born in the seventh part of the first week so a ‘week ‘ = 700 yrs. The account of subsequent week is consistent with this where the close of a ‘week’ is around 50 years into the last century of the week of seven centuries. Later in the chapter:
    “And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part, There shall be the great eternal judgement, In which He will execute vengeance amongst the angels. And the first heaven shall depart and pass away, And a new heaven shall appear, And all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light. And after that there will be many weeks without number for ever, And all shall be in goodness and righteousness, And sin shall no more be mentioned for ever.”
    By the 700 year week reckoning the Final Judgement at close of tenth week will be around 6950 AM. This means the final Millennium starts around 5900 – 5950 AM. Very soon.

    • jewish calendar says it is 5777, so there is still 200 years to go, unless t here is a calendar error

      • Not sure the official Jewish Anno Mundi is necessarily correct. But there could be accuracy of plus or minus 50 years anyway on where in the century the time is complete. I tend to guess that Daniel’s (Dan 8:14) 2300 ‘days’) might have been years starting with the oppressive banning of the sacrifice by Antiochus Epiphanes recounted in 1 Maccabees (but it might have been 2400 ‘days’). “He told me, ‘For 2,300 days. Then the Holy Place will be restored.’” But this might not be about the coming of Messiah and might be up to the time of the Temple mentioned in the Revelation passage about the two witnesses (martyrs). It might be 2133 AD. The Antiochus ending of the sacrifice happened about 168 BC and there would have been no year 0 AD or BC so maybe 2133 AD is 2300 years from the abolition of the sacrifice. This fits well with approx 5950 AM it seems to me. Many calculations exist for the year system of Anno Mundi and the Jewish system of year numbers today is just one of the many.

  22. I derived these 2017 AD to Anno Mundi year calculations from Ken Johnson’s ‘Ancient Post-Flood History’ (great book!) table on p24 (apologies if I introduced any errors)
    Eusebius: 5958
    Jerome: 5958
    Bede: 5960
    Usser: 6020
    Joseph Scaliger: 5965
    Isaac Newton: 5956
    Mattis Kantor: 5736 (Codex Judaica)
    Robert Killian: 5908
    Ken Johnson: 5941

  23. Stephen,
    I’m not big on numerology and date setting, I prefer to look for the signs Jesus told His apostles to look for in the end times. These are the seals of Revelation. Add to that the other 14 judgements that follow the seals and the 2 witnesses and there will be no doubt when the second coming is nigh.
    One thing we know for sure, the generation alive when Israel became a nation (1948) will still be around to some extent when He returns. So I’m guessing the return should be sometime before 2050. But your estimate of 2133 is out of the question. No one born in 1948 will still be alive on that date.
    One thing is clear to me from your studies. If the “experts” came up with dates that are spread over 281 years, then there can be no biblical or scientific certainty of any of the dates. Which makes them worthless, at least to me. Anyone could just make a guess and end up just as close if not closer than the dates you’ve supplied.
    Of course, you’ve come to the right place. The internet is chock full of wrong dates and fake predictions.

    • I’m losing confidence in 1948 having any major significance in fulfillment of prophecy. It was once preached a lot by those who hoped for an imminent second coming but there were dates just as important that those teachers missed out. I think we need to ‘judge for ourselves what is right’ because previous generations made assumptions we no longer need to make now that more light is shining. Each to his own.

      • Stephen,
        While the YEAR 1948 IS significant in bible prophecy, the DATE 1948 means nothing. Here is why;
        Jesus gave us the “fig tree prophecy” which stated that the generation that sees the emergence of Israel as a nation shall not perish before He returns. Now all that means is that He will return before every person born on or before May 14th 1948 has died.
        But many people misread His statement and somehow believe all we have to do is add “1” generation to 1948 and we will have a second coming date. Sorry but generations don’t work that way. A generation is simply a group of people, not a time frame. For example, many people consider 40 years to be a biblical generation because God made the Israelites wander in the desert for 40 years – until all the generation who had sinned had passed away. But those people that sinned could have all died off in just 39 years, or 37 years and 9 months. God picked a biblical time frame of His on choosing greater than the length of time He knew the last sinner would live.
        If 1948 was to be the start of a timed prophecy, Jesus would have phrased His prophecy in the same way Daniel did several of his, giving an actual number of “days” that can be calculated as years in prophecy.
        So the bottom line is adding time frames to 1948 or ANY date in modern times will prove fruitless. End-time prophecy is based on events and signs, not dates. However, you MAY add time frames to these soon-to-come biblical events. For example, the bible says the 2 witnesses will preach for 3-1/2 years – the completion of Jesus original ministry – then be killed and resurrected 3-1/2 days later – the same time Christ spent in the tomb – as Jesus returns and the millennium begins.
        Other than this, calculating dates and times will not work. Right now it is too early to affix time frames to events. The biblical signs have not yet happened. We must all be patient yet vigilant. Wait for the real thing to start. Then we can all get on the same page and there should be no doubts.

        • when looking at the fig tree I think God prefers we look for the budding of a spiritual awakening rather than secular establishing – clearly the Balfour Treaty didn’t mean a blossoming and neither did the 1881 return of Jews so 1948 might be a false sign too – Paul in Romans 11 gives the meaning by saying the spiritual awakening (Jacob returning to God and spiritual rebuilding of Jacob’s fallen tent) marks the fig tree reviving and triggers the countdown to the resurrection – which might indeed mean that some participants in it will still be alive at the resurrection on Christ’s return – God looks for spiritual fruit on the fig tree, not secular establisment

        • I always thought it meant people born on or AFTER 1948?

          • That is illogical. There will always be more and more people born every year so the only way that generation could pass away is for everyone on earth to die. So the time frame would be infinity and therefore would mean nothing.

        • James, the SIGNS are HERE! Why aren’t you seeing THEM?
          The generation that sees the rebirth of Israel will not pass away before Yahshua’s return. This generation is at least 69 years old!
          (King David wrote that man’s days are 70.) I was five months old when this took place and wonder if I should even count. How on earth can the Second Coming happen in 2031 to fulfill ANY Biblical prophecy??

          • Well, as long as YOU are alive, the generation spoke of by Yashuah will still be valid. Obviously a man’s days isn’t always 70 years so that isn’t a valid measure. And the signs you think you seeing are simply not biblical. The gave us the time frame. The fig tree first, then the seals, then the trumps and the vials. He told his apostles to look for these events as signs of His imminent return. Not His return a few hundred or thousand years in the future. It must be possible for all the signs to be seen by one person in their lifetime, not by hundreds of historians over 2000 years.
            People have been “seeing signs” throughout history and predicting the second coming from them. You and many others are still doing so today. So far, EVERYONE has been wrong. 2017 and 2018 will produce even more wrong people. In fact 2017 is almost here and the tears are about to flow.
            I can’t wait.

    • … to explain – teachers taught, one famous teacher in particular, that 1948 marked the end of ‘the time of the Gentiles’ yet in Revelation 11 we see a future time when even after a Temple is built in Jerusalem, Gentiles still ‘trample the outer court’. This makes me realise the time of the Gentiles will continue in the future. We still see hardening of Israel too, although there is now hardening among Gentiles so maybe the end of the time of the Gentiles gets near.

      • God’s timing revolves around dates significant to Heaven but religious teachers try to time things around dates significant to Earth, especially their own culture and people. God sees it differently. To understand the prophecies we need to understand the way God sees things – what is important to Him. Often it means spiritual importance rather than secular importance.

  24. Usually events mentioned in prophecy are designed and pre-ordained (predetermined) by God to be didactic – so that Earth may learn to do things as God wills as Heaven does things. Israel in prophecy is a receiver of faithfulness of God to His promises and becomes great in the future before Messiah returns so this teaches reliance on the faithfulness of God to His word. Then again it still needs to put away wickedness so it becomes a child doing things the way the Father of Israel does things when it is righteous so it is a child of God.

  25. The Book of Enoch assures me that these times, just as in times before The Flood, will soon be times of massive global removal of the wicked from among mankind in preparation for a time of judgement under the feet of Jesus Christ before the final judgement under God. If we are wicked we need the build-up towards this time to be gradual to give us time to repent. Once the momentum of disasters really builds up (far worse than hurricanes and forest fires) there will be no going back and more and more wicked will perish as the Earth is cleansed. We need books like The Book of Enoch for comfort and assurance and warning against remaining unrepentant as the times exponentially get worse. Dates will matter little except to confirm there is no reversal of God’s plan. Revelation warns of times being dire for the righteous too as the wicked sense their imminent irreversible demise. That means standing firm is so necessary and will be greatly challenged as rarely ever before (except in the times like those spoken of in 1 Maccabees). The end result will be few surviving of the righteous and even fewer of the most wicked so that Christ can abolish violence and wickedness completely from Earth under His rule when He comes like that Flood.

  26. Just noting that Sept 23rd has come and gone with no rapture and no second coming. Nothing biblical happened today. So finally we can put to bed all the nonsense about the second coming happening on the 23rd (listening John?)
    Now all we need to do is take care of the 2018 date setters and we will finally be out of historical and astronomical date predictions. So the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord begins today so expect billions of people to wake up with wake up with sores as the first vial is poured out.
    Unless God is tardy… let‘s see what excuses they decide to use.

    • I agree with you on this one

      • I can imagine John (and others) frantically checking their 5000 pages of bible data looking for where they went wrong. That whole 7’s date thing with various imagined generations from 1917, 1947, 1967 etc , seemed so perfect that it couldn’t possibly be wrong. Yeah, right. Ignore the signs from the bible and make up a prediction with numbers and dates. I just hope they’ve learned their lessons and will stop relying on astronomy programs, eclipses and current events to pick a date for the second coming.
        Well I can’t wait to see what they will do next.

  27. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4915406/Official-Hurricane-Maria-set-Puerto-Rico-decades.html
    ‘The devastation in Puerto Rico has set us back nearly 20 to 30 years,’ said Puerto Rico Resident Commissioner Jenniffer Gonzalez.
    The north coastal town of Manati had run out of fuel and fresh water, Mayor Jose Sanchez Gonzalez said.
    ‘Hysteria is starting to spread. The hospital is about to collapse. It’s at capacity,’ he said, crying. ‘We need someone to help us immediately.’
    Across Puerto Rico, more than 15,000 people were in shelters, including some 2,000 rescued from the north coastal town of Toa Baja.

    • sunimal

      this was a horrible storm. they need our prayers and help. i hope supplies are coming immediately

    • 9~26~5999 (out of 6000) 5th Day of Awe Leading to Yom Kippur

      Puerto Rico is now officially in “The Time of Trouble”. Geraldo Rivera (Fox News) went there because of his family. He said that they may have to leave because almost everything is destroyed. He seemed to give an honest report.One reporter reported that there was rioting on the mainland concerning what is happening there in Puerto Rico.
      And what about Texas (Harvey) and all of Florida (Irma)? Thousands lost homes. Where are all of the evacuees??
      Marianne, I am hearing that Maria will be near the coast of North Carolina.
      Is that anywhere where you are at? My prayers for your safety!
      I am wondering if Russia/Iran will attack on Yom Kippur. (Joel 2)
      There seems little time left for them to do so!


      • 4yahweh

        yes I am in NC, about 50-100 miles inland, depending on how you measure it, with all the inlets. Maria is off the coast here now, so far it is just breezy. the eye is out in the ocean and not inland.


        I agree about puerto rico. there are many faithful believers there, and my heart goes out to them. they should really be relocated to a better place while their homes are restored. but knowing our government, it will leave them all there and bring supplies instead.

        FEMA and the government kill those who are homeless, with or without a disaster as an excuse. this government has been evil for a long time, for decades. and trump may be over his head to “drain the swamp” when most gov is godless satan worshipping traitors.

        I am suspicious about the evacuees from texas and florida. I have heard they are treated like prisoners (kept from supplies and food, denied cell phone use) or shot in the shelters,or forced into buses and planes that never reach their reported destination. this is suppressed in the mainstream media, but I hear reports out of there from some volunteer workers who put out videos.

        if there is a disaster in the future in my area, I am staying in my home, and hiding out until the gov people are gone. I will die a natural death if it kills me 🙂

        I put my welfare in divine hands, and not man’s

      • The “Time of Trouble” does not officially start until the first vial/bowl is poured out.
        First Bowl:
        When the first bowl is poured out, foul and painful sores come upon those bearing the mark of the beast and those who worshiped the image of the beast.
        According to you, all Christians have the mark of the beast, so there should be a billion reports of people with strange sores and yet there are none.
        It seems you are just making up a story to fit your now impossible time line. Face it, we are not in the great and terrible (year) of the Lord at least if you believe the bible more than Geraldo Rivera.
        Give it up, 2018 is a bust!

        • just a note. the trumpets would be part of the wrath of god as well

        • James, I wrote that Christians refusing faith in Yahweh and His Son Yahshua HAVE The Mark of the Beast. This WILL become a test. I BELIEVE that we are in the FINAL time of trouble. How can I (and YOU) not with all that is happening now?

          • james thinks everything is fine and nothing is wrong.

            • 10~11~6000 (out of 6000) 8th Day of Sukkot, Feast of Tabernacles
              Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns VERY SOON!! Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM. Revelation 14:1
              HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

              Marianne, I hope that you did not get any tornados that came through North Carolina! All of CA is now being inundated with ash from wildfires. The ash that you cannot see is the most harmful. We take cysteine, and amino acid as an H1N1 flu preventative that also strengthens the lungs. (Swanson Vitamins Adult 1200 mg./day Child: 60 mg./day) Many are missing in the fires probably many MORE than the 150 mentioned and many homes burned up. YES WE ALL ARE IN THE FINAL TIME OF TROUBLE!


              • 4 yahweh

                chag sameach!

                no I was very blessed to have been spared any tornadoes so far. usually when hurricanes are coming up the east coast, it is not the wind that is the problem, it is the tornadoes that spin off the edges of the storm that we have to deal with

                CA is in deep trouble with all those fires. I can see the judgment but still pray for the righteous to be spared

                I am taking vitamin C now but will consider cysteine as well

                blessings to you

            • Sorry that I don’t buy into every conspiracy theory I read on the web. Do you still think Nibiru is real? Check the YouTube pages on it and read the comments. Finally, everyone is catching on that Nibiru is fake and will never actually appear. No one believes in it any more. Same thing happened to the Mayan calendar and Y2K. Nibiru is dying a slow death. And Jade Helm was just a training exercise, no martial law was ever declared anywhere. And the rumors of FEMA executing 80% of Americans with guillotines never seemed to happen. All just lies and rumors.
              So yes, as far as biblical events go, everything is normal, not much different from last year or last decade or last century. The world turns and mankind is still in control. But believe me, prophecy is rolling forward every day. Its just not happening the way you think it should.
              The beast that was is not and will be again is not far from happening. Will you recognize it when it happens? I think not. You will be spending most of your time reading about more and more conspiracy theories thinking something is going to happen, but you will wait forever and won’t see it. But don’t fear, I’ll be here to tell you what is really going on. 🙂

              • you are exaggerating so you can dispute what I have not said. things are very possible, although not proven. things are set up for the tribulation

          • 4,
            Well, if youre right and i do have the mark of the beast then where are my sores? How soon before the 7 last plagues will start? Maybe they will be just like your concept of the seals and they were meted out hundreds of years ago in the plagues of old.
            And as for your other statement:
            “James, when (WHEN!) will YOU choose to open your eyes to the TRUTH? Hurricanes Harvey and Irma caused thousands of deaths in TX , FLA,and Puerto Rico!”
            Here are the official totals as of today…
            Texas – 82
            Fla.- 8
            Puerto Rico-45
            Total – 136
            You clearly prefer to rely on You Tube idiots and other liars rather than the real truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God.
            You have a habit of not caring about truth and accuracy in your bible interpretations. You have tossed out 80% of prophecy to keep your 2018 second coming date alive, and now that we are fast approaching that date you are throwing out the rest of Revelation and will no doubt continue to do so until…. When, the day before your second coming date? Will you never realize you are wrong? Will you cling to future YouTube videos that claim Jesus has arrived and is hiding in the basement of the Vatican? Remember Adam? Where is he now? All his predictions fell apart and he is no longer to be found. Same with John Ashcraft. Are you listening John (Johnny Ash)? Do you still think Jesus will return this year? Maybe on Hanukkah? Will you get Him a present?
            Sorry girl but you can pull out as many headlines as you want and they won’t make your predictions any more possible. Read the bible for once. Try to understand the words. Put events together with history and see if EVERYTHING matches up, not just one thing here and another thing there. Face it, there can only be one interpretation that fits all the bible verses perfectly, and yours certainly does not. Neither does the popular “Left Behind” scenario that so many people now believe in. When it comes to prophecy theories, if the verses don’t fit then it‘s a piece of shirt.
            I will continue to watch you hanging out to dry, just as I did for John and all the other Sep 23rd 2017 believers on this site (Al, AJ, Leatherneck). You will eventually go down in flames just as every single second coming predictor in history has for the last 2000 years.
            And believe me, I’ll be having fun watching the whole thing! The bible continues to bring me great delights. 🙂

          • 4,
            You really need to study the bible more closely. The items you claim are part of the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord are not in the bible. The 7 bowl judgements are all supernatural in origin, not simple hurricanes or earthquakes. None of the vials have been poured out so we are not in the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord. Believe me, when it arrives you will know it. When the real seals are opened and you hear the trumpets of God you will know you were completely wrong and you will get on board with the correct interpretation. It may take the whole next year before you are forced to admit it but the truth will come forth and your 2018 prediction will fall flat. Your theory is built on lies and ignores the bible. How can it possibly be correct?
            It can’t.
            John had 5000 pages of absolute proof that Sep 23rd 2017 would be the second coming. He was wrong. Now it is your turn. Stick with your guns for a while but prepare to go back and reread your bible and look for the truth.

            • 10~14~6000 (out of 6000) Sabbath in the LAST YEAR!
              Yes, Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns VERY SOON!
              Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM. Revelation 14:1
              HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

              James, it’s NOT “Wake up and smell the coffee!” It’s WAKE UP and smell the SMOKE! Most of CA is now receiving the ashes (brimstone?) of too many wild(?)fires and the toxins put on them. The government of The Two Horned Beast (U.S.) is doing what it has done in TX, FLA, Puerto Rico, and Las Vegas. Revelation 13:11-18. And, YOU, James Giordano blindly believe it. With over 5000 homes and businesses destroyed in No CA, do you believe only 30+ people died? They say 100 are missing. THE STORIES ARE HEARTBREAKING!
              By Hanukkah Traitor Trump may enforce “Martial Law” (The Mark of the Beast). The original enforcement happened with Antiochus Epiphanes when he sacrificed a pig to Zeus (a.k.a. Jesus Christ) in Yahweh’s Temple on December 25.
              NOW is the TIME to escape “The Mark of the Beast”. I have warned you for years and am not guilty for YOUR loss! YOU will be!


              • the fires in california are awful….judgment will only increase from here on out

              • 4,
                First of all, brimstone is sulphur, NOT SMOKE! You continue to reinterpret the Bible to fit your own theory. Plus, you are using local events as opposed to worldwide biblical events.
                If you want me to believe you, you will have to convince me god started all of the California wildfires. And not by lightning strikes either. You need to stop blaming God for mother nature. When I hear a news reporter cesar these fires have started as if by magic with no other explanation except it was set by God himself.

                The wrath of God will be all powerful and will affect people worldwide. Exactly what you think Donald Trump is going to do by calling out the National Guard? If, as you say, the market of the beast is being a Christian, how will the National Guard being used to force everyone in the country to become a Christian and will they get a choice of denomination if they don’t already have one? Your theory makes no sense at all and it is not something that could ever happen in the United States. And what about all of the other countries in the world? Will their governments also force everyone to be a christian? What about Saudi Arabia or India or China? How will the mark of the beast work there?
                Your theory is silly and full of holes and cannot be supported by the Bible. It is falling apart quickly and no matter how many news items you claim are acts of God the second coming will not be 2018. 2018 is too soon for these events to happen. Let’s just wait and see.

                • James, CORRECTION! Brimstone means “burning stone” or “stone that burns”. There HAS been stone burning in these fires, even melted metal! You do NOT seem to comprehend well. And THAT seems to be the least of your problems! I did not say that these fires are from Mother Nature or Yahweh. I hinted that many have been started by the government and sadly, there will be many more. End time events do not have to be from Yahweh. But they happen to those NOT protected by Yahweh. And, they can be world wide.
                  The Mark of the Beast is the pagan name Christos Zeus a.k.a. Jesus Christ. Check the Greek translation for the #666. It’s not necessarily becoming a Christian. It’s accepting the government’s mark when presented as law. And, yes, eventually it will and quickly become world wide. And, Jim, I suggest that YOU not wait and become lost.

                  • Unless God started the fires and God burned any rocks, your definition is pointless. Were you personally affected by those “burning rocks”? Was anyone killed by burning rocks? Was magma pouring out over the landscape? (Magma IS burning rock). No reports as far as I’ve read.
                    As I said, you are stretching the facts like rubber in order to try to prove your theory. So far the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord has yet to start. It starts with sores on those with the mark, not by wildfires. So far you’re batting zero when it comes to actual bible prophecy. You will remain at zero for the rest of your time, until you finally admit defeat. The bible will defeat you once again. God never loses.

  28. First we pray for suffering people in puerto rico as marianne said there are many faithful believers and for evacuees from texas and florida who cannot access cell phones.


    Letter of prediction from Kerala based B.K. Research Association for E.S.P to Prime Minister India, which is about the Earthquake and Tsunami Alert in Indian Ocean Region. According to that message, a vigorous earthquake is about to happen on the Indian Ocean which could affect the entire coast of the Asian continents. More than 11 countries are on the vulnerable list namely India, China, Japan, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Thailand, Indonesia, Afganistan, Srilanka and Gulf countries. These areas will also encounter SEESHMA storm during that period which could turn the situation worse. This SEESHMA storm may strike us with 120Km to 180Km velocity along with heavy rain.

  29. http://alagurajeshwaran.com/2017/09/24/earth-quake-and-tsunami-alert-in-indian-ocean-region-before-december-2017/

    Message from a Kerala based B.K. Research Association for E.S.P on WhatsApp which is about the Earthquake and Tsunami Alert in Indian Ocean Region. According to that message, a vigorous earthquake is about to happen on the Indian Ocean which could affect the entire coast of the Asian continents. More than 11 countries are on the vulnerable list namely India, China, Japan, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Thailand, Indonesia, Afganistan, Srilanka and Gulf countries. The message also states that these areas will also encounter SEESHMA storm during that period which could turn the situation worse. This SEESHMA storm may strike us with 120Km to 180Km velocity along with heavy rain.

  30. http://afterthewarning.com/messages-from-heaven/matthewsix25to34/2017/09/09-08-you-are-in-labor.aspx

    we are in “Labor” now. ?
    This is the time you have been told about my children, now is the time to embrace your faith like never before for the evil one is making his last stand against my people and my church.
    If world administration change and 666 comes into power , then ?
    starting first 3 1/2 ?
    Danger : One day these sites will be banned by 666 .

    • creation is responding to the times

      for now, this website is here, for people to communicate with each other

      someday, it will not be here, but what we have learned will not be gone.

      it will be in our hearts and minds

    • 10~25~6000 in the FINAL YEAR
      Yes, Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns VERY SOON! Pray NOW to
      be SAVED and SEALED in THEM. Revelation 14:1
      HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

      Sunimal, I believe that we are in the LAST year! There are cataclysms everywhere. 8,400 structures destroyed in Northern CA fires. Where are the people from these structures? In the ashes? The people “rescued” in TX and FLA? Fish food? There is continual dying in Puerto Rico. There are Yellowstone and the New Madrid Fault waiting in the wings. North Korea, Russia, Iran, and China are on the verge of war. The FAKED market will soon collapse. Trump the Traitor will enforce Martial Law (The Mark of the Beast). Many (Most?) professed Bible believers already HAVE IT!
      Today in Orange County CA we are having 104 degree heat. In 28 years it has never been this hot, and 10% humidity. When I stepped outside the sun immediately made my tanned skin burn! This may be a harbinger of a big quake near here (considered long over due).
      The #666 represents Christianity and it has been in power since the Third Century beginning with Emperor Constantine the Terrible. The sealed of Revelation 14 are the SAVED. They reject Christianity and its mark of the CROSS!


      • 4,
        First of all, all the events you describe are either man-caused (like global warming) or completely natural phenomenon and are not acts of God’s retribution. The heat wave is over, it even drizzled here in L.A. today. You consider Iran and N.Korea as harbingers of destruction, but according to Jesus the war before His second coming will be worse than any other in history, including WW2. This war IS coming and it will involve Iran, but it will be part of the seals, not the vial judgements. You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on the Book of Revelation time line and the various events that will occur.
        You have calculated 2018 as your second coming date (1948 + a 70-year “generation” and you are now out to try to prove your point by any means necessary. As time goes on you will continue to blame every bad news story on the wrath of God and yet you can’t point out anyone who is now suffering the 7 last plagues due to the mark of the beast. You say all Christians have the mark yet none are being punished. If we are truly in the great and terrible (year) of the Lord where is God in it? 10% relative humidity…. Really? Oooooooooh, I’m so scared. Gee, that’s never happened before!
        Eventually, like John Ashcraft who tried so hard to convince us that 2017 was the year, your theory will be sent to the dust bin of incorrect bible prophecy. It should be obvious by now but you are too invested in your theory to see it yet, but you will, soon. If not, then God is tardy on His fulfillment plans.
        Either the bible is wrong or you are.
        I’m going with the bible on this one.

  31. Even if five of the seven seals have been opened, and I doubt the sixth has been opened, it seems certain the first trumpet hasn’t sounded yet

    Rev 8:7 “The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.”

    So until the sixth seal is opened and the first trumpet sounded, we ain’t there yet. And a lot more has to happen after that (which we might not live to see – if we are lucky).

  32. By my reckoning it is plausible that some alive today could be among the ones who will be alive at the start of Christ’s reign – see Enoch 91 http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe097.htm , the tenth week is the last 700 years of the seven thousand years that started with Adam being made. The judgement of the living (by Christ) starts in the ninth week. The final judgment of dead and living by God starts not at the end of the tenth week (7000 AM) but in its seventh part (compare Enoch was born in the seventh part of the first week and his birth works out from other scripture to be around 650 AM) so that could be 6950 AM approximately. So from other scripture we get the time of judgment by Christ being a thousand years (which fits with starting in the ninth week) so it might start around 5950 AM which could be just decades or even less away. It also says in Revelation Satan will start a war at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ so that could mean it ends around 6940 AM and starts with the return of Christ a thousand years before that so around 5940 AM. So it is all the more plausible that people alive today could live to see it and those who believe and are alive to see would be caught up with Christ in the air and so never actually die.
    Let’s see. If 6000 AM is say 115 years away (I think that is a plausible reckoning of AM years – others think otherwise) then we might be 50-60 years away from Christ’s return and if that is about right (even Christ does no know) the witnesses might be around 10 years before (let’s say the Beast has 10 years of major reign before Christ ends it) and lets say a temple in Rev 11 takes thirty years to build in Jerusalem it would be expected to be started around 10 years from now. During those ten years a third of the trees will have been burned up so it should be obvious.

  33. The timescale from the Book of Enoch:

    Creation of Adam c3950-40 BC
    Flood c2550-40 BC
    Abraham c1850-40 BC
    Law c1150-40 BC
    Second Temple c460-40 BC
    (reference point for these BC/AD dates)
    Ascension between 460 BC and 250 AD
    The Final Judgement before 3050 AD

    This leaves barely time for a thousand years of Christ reigning but means a second coming by 2050 AD at latest and most likely before 2040.

    [How this was determined:
    In the Book of Enoch, it says (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe096.htm)
    “And after that in the fifth week, at its close, The house of glory and dominion shall be built for ever.”
    Then later it says (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe097.htm)
    “And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part, There shall be the great eternal judgement, In which He will execute vengeance amongst the angels.”
    Enoch effectively tells us the Final Judgement will be 3500 years after the building of the second temple in Jerusalem. This is because the rest of this account shows a week means seven centuries.]

  34. [clarification]

    How this was determined:
    In the Book of Enoch, it says (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe096.htm)
    “And after that in the fifth week, at its close, The house of glory and dominion shall be built for ever.”
    Then later it says (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe097.htm)
    “And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part, There shall be the great eternal judgement, In which He will execute vengeance amongst the angels.”
    Enoch effectively tells us the Final Judgement will be between 3400 and 3500 years after the building of the second temple in Jerusalem. This is because the rest of this account shows a week means seven centuries. Note: the year for Enoch and for angels was 364 days. So his 3500 years is 3510 years by our modern reckoning of years.

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