Flood Before Days of Peleg


Basin or global food?

Flood preceded the continental divide:

1 chronicles 1:19.

Fifth generation after Noah.

17 The sons of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram, and Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Meshech.

18 And Arphaxad begat Shelah, and Shelah begat Eber.

19 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother’s name was Joktan.

Which means the earth remained a Pangea during the flood, and was divided later.

Peleg seems to be in the same generation as Ham’s descendent Nimrod (tower of babel), so as God divided the nations according to language, he also may have separated them onto different land masses.

**note: It is interesting that such a dramatic event of land division has little written evidence in ancient literature.

While I have always thought of Noah’s flood as global, it also makes sense that he was to float on water for a year, then find his way back to Mt Ararat, all from a starting point of the Middle East.

It is obvious that if Noah knew where he was after the flood receded, it must have been because he was there before, and recognized where he was.

If the flood was global on the earth as we know it today, then it would have been easy to float too far away, to the opposite side of the earth, and never make it back to his starting point.

Since the earth had not been “divided” yet, this suggests a Pangea, or one main land mass.

Could a Pangea model be developed to verify a basin area where the flood took place?

Maybe this?


Basin Design # 1

The land would be arranged so that a natural basin would be formed with a circle of mountain ranges and a central valley / basin. The mountains would naturally contain the water in the basin.

Here is a current map with mountains (brown color)



Mountain ranges surround the Mediterranean Sea to the north. The plains of Africa to the south have no mountains, except to the far south.

If north and south America were joined to the land mass in a pangea, the mountain ranges on the west side of the Americas would provide the western ranges to enclose a basin.

The red line outlines existing mountain ranges in the Pangea below.

The visible mountains close to the Mediterranean were covered with water,, but we do not know if the mountains far away were or not.




Basin design # 2

One theory is that the flood took place in the Caspian sea area:


AS in the basin design #1, how far past the covered mountains did the water go?


Basin design # 3

Empty Mediterranean and Black Sea basins that filled up with breaches at Gibraltar and Bosporus inlets


This model interestingly starts the flood close to what would be the Tower of Babel. It seems to be a bad, sinful area.




Basin Design # 4

Global world wide flood

In this model, Pangea or not, the mid Atlantic ridge and the Pacific ridge (and other ridges) are thought to have been formed from waters of the deep bursting through the crust into the air, covering the entire earth with extra water.


Noah’s Flood and the Mid Atlantic Ridge

Earth Was Divided

Other thoughts:


In the Genesis account of Noah’s flood, the words and phrases used to describe the event paint the picture of it being a worldwide catastrophe:

So God said to Noah, “I have decided to destroy all living creatures, for they have filled the earth with violence. Yes, I will wipe them all out along with the earth!” (Gen. 6:13, NLT)

“Look! I am about to cover the earth with a flood that will destroy every living thing that breathes. Everything on earth will die.” (Gen. 6:17, NLT)

“There must be a male and a female in each pair to ensure that all life will survive on the earth after the flood. Seven days from now I will make the rains pour down on the earth. And it will rain for forty days and forty nights, until I have wiped from the earth all the living things I have created.” (Gen. 7:3b-4, NLT)

Noah was 600 years old when the flood covered the earth. He went on board the boat to escape the flood—he and his wife and his sons and their wives. (Gen. 7:6-7, NLT)

After seven days, the waters of the flood came and covered the earth. When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky. The rain continued to fall for forty days and forty nights. (Gen. 7:10-12, NLT)

Finally, the water covered even the highest mountains on the earth, rising more than twenty-two feet above the highest peaks.

All the living things on earth died—birds, domestic animals, wild animals, small animals that scurry along the ground, and all the people.

Everything that breathed and lived on dry land died. God wiped out every living thing on the earth—people, livestock, small animals that scurry along the ground, and the birds of the sky. All were destroyed.

The only people who survived were Noah and those with him in the boat. And the floodwaters covered the earth for 150 days. (Gen. 7:19-24, NLT)

Some scholars have taught that the flood was local, and did not cover the entire earth. They point to words or phrases such as ‘all flesh died’ (Gen. 7:21) as meaning all living things within the local area. But when a word can have more than one meaning, the context must define its true meaning. In Genesis 6-10, the context is one of a global Flood!

In these five chapters, words and phrases of a global scale are used more than 30 times. In every instance, the primary meaning is global, and in totality.

If you compare this with the words of Jesus, Isaiah, Peter, and the writer of Hebrews, you see that a global destructive flood is assumed.

“Just as I swore in the time of Noah that I would never again let a flood cover the earth, so now I swear that I will never again be angry and punish you.” (Is. 54:9, NLT)

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matt. 24:37-39, NLT)

They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. (Luke 17:27, NLT)

By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. (Heb. 11:7, NLT)

… who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. (1 Peter 3:20, NLT)

If Noah’s flood were merely local, Jesus’ comparison of the judgment on the people in Noah’s time to the coming judgment of all men (Matthew 24:37-39) makes no sense. Jesus Himself makes it clear that Noah’s flood was, indeed, a worldwide flood.

There are various flood traditions in different cultural histories


Perhaps the second most important historical account of a global flood can be found in a Babylonian flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

When the Biblical and Babylonian accounts are compared, a number of outstanding similarities are found that leave no doubt these stories are rooted in the same event or oral tradition.

Take the seed of all creatures aboard the ship Gen. 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring.
I boarded the ship and closed the door. Gen. 7:1 Come into the Ark
Gen. 7:16 The Lord shut him in.
I sent out a dove . . . The dove went, then came back, no resting-place appeared for it, so it returned. Gen. 8:8 He sent out a dove…But the dove found no resting-place . . . and she returned.
Then I sent out a raven . .it was the waters receding, it ate, it flew about to and fro, it did not return. Gen. 8:7 He sent out a raven, which kept going to and fro until the waters had dried up from the Earth.
I made a libation on the peak of the mountain. Gen. 8:20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord (on the mountain) and offered burnt offerings.




While the basin model is very logical, the global flood seems to have more scriptural evidence.

There is another “flood” coming, but it is mainly with fire. A pole shift has also been predicted which will include massive flooding.

Regardless of the nature of the disaster, we all need an ark.

But this time, the ark is a person, not a boat.

His name is Yahshua (Jesus).

Without him, no matter where you are, or where you hide, you will be lost and die an eternal death.

Take 5 minutes and think about your future. It is just around the corner, and your time is really up. We are on borrowed time right now, but it will not last much longer.

There is only one Father God, and only one Son of God. The Father sent His Son to atone for your sins.

If you accept this and repent of your sins, you will be saved. If you do not accept this, you will be lost and destroyed.

This is not meant to intimidate people into being saved, but this is a reality that has to be faced. And this post is a warning written out of love.

The choice is yours.

46 Responses to “Flood Before Days of Peleg”

  1. Am highly delighted to read this!

  2. Blessed detail of Noah’s Flood is provided in The Book of Jubilees
    The Book of Enoch
    A basin indeed surrounded by mountains and into it point seven separate immense conduits bringing geological water from immense resevoirs such that all that water suddenly breaches the mountains and sends out a geological tsunami around the entire world, killing all large animal life. This is why animals had to be saved along with righteous man and his family. After the destruction those same seven openings reopened and took back into the earth the water.

  3. 7~25~5999 (out of 6000) in these LAST DAYS
    Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns VERY SOON!
    Will it be on or before Yom Kippur, Day of Atonement,
    10~20~2018?? Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED
    in THEM. Revelation 14:1 HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

    Very interesting! My understanding is that the Great Worldwide
    Flood happened roughly the year 2000 (end of 40 Jubilee years). Yahshua died for us in18 A.D. (end of 80 Jubilee years). Yahshua comes for us
    on Yom Kippur, 2018 (end of 120 Jubilee years).
    As a young girl I saw fossilized sea shells high in the Rocky Mountains in Colorado. I have no doubt that this flood was world wide.


    • interesting you saw sea shells in the rocky mountains

      how do you get Yahshua died in 18 AD, instead of 27 AD? what is your reference?

      • http://www.biblicalfoundations.org/when-was-jesus-born-and-when-did-he-die This is the site. Comment #11 (Chrisso) started me thinking.
        Most of the replies show belief in the Christian time setting except this one. However, born 15 B.C. Yahshua would have died (for us) in 18 A.D.
        Yom Kippur 2018 will be 10~20 not what most Jews will be keeping. 10~1~2017 is Yom Kippur this year. By this time prophecy may speed up. CHOOSE YAHWEH AND YAHSHUA NOW!

        • how do you know he was born 15 BC?

          • Who knows for sure? It makes sense to me that great lies are told about His birth and death years. They have lied about His Name. After all, the year “1”, supposed year of Yahshua’s birth, was determined by a Roman Catholic monk. If Yahshua’s birth was in 15 B.C. we would now be in year 2032. 2018 would be year 2033.
            It is in the Vatican’s interest to lie and deceive all Bible believers.

  4. The Grand Canyon seems to have evidence of flood formation of some sort.
    One way or another at some point both Eden and Jerusalem occupied the same spot at the center of the earth.
    Will the earth eventually be reshaped this way once Yah does all the final housecleaning here (as in a new heaven and earth)?

  5. “The name of the one was Peleg because in his days the earth was divided”
    This is very interesting because in Deuteronomy 32:7,8 Moses reminds the children of Israel that God divided the nations according to the number of the children of Israel which could mean the nations can be divided into 12 sectors so that when Jesus returns every surviving people group(those who survive the tribulation) will be adopted into a tribe because once a person receives Jesus they are counted as the seed of Abraham.

    • It seems to me that it was the earth (land) that was divided. Even now the continents look like they can fit together like a puzzle. No one survives the tribulation unless they are SAVED and SEALED through the Father (Yahweh) and the Son (Yahshua). The tribes of Israel (Revelation 14) are mentioned as SEALED. The pagan Greek name Jesus is the meaning of the #666 . Revelation 13:18 Greek Diaglott Free on The Web

    • amen

  6. In the book of Jasher a full detail of God allowing his people to die off first, with the exception of Noah and his family, before the Flood occurs. He also has his prophets , Noah and Methuselah to forewarn the people for 120 years before it happens.

    The land is later divided in two ways:
    1. Land is divided to the sons Shem, Ham and Japheth
    2. and the land was split during Peleg time

    So much detail is missing from our today’s Genesis that is shameful but thanks be to Yah he allowed the statement of book of Joshua and in Numbers to mention the book of Jasher as if he was attempting to have those who want a deeper understanding to “seek and find” this elusive book.

  7. Yes the Book of Jasher seems to be another reliable source – it seems the Apostle Paul relied on it because he mentioned Jannes and Jambres opponents of Moses who are only mentioned by name in the Book of Jasher. Also if you look at the Sumerian King List it shows the ancestors of Noah who ruled Sumeria as kings in succession from Adam (Alulim) skipped a generation and the Book of Jasher says the same and hints at why and this helps to understand the background to the extant text called the Instruction of Sharrapak from around that time purportedly written to record some teachings handed down through those kings before Noah’s generation. So I reckon the Book of Jasher is a reliable source not just religiously but historically. It fills many gaps. It corroborates other texts including scriptures and it has parallel passages with scriptures so similar it suggests it was written by scribes recording those scriptures in the times of Moses and Joshua who seemed therefore to have access to documents from before the Flood and just after it. Perhaps they had documents similar to the Book of Enoch but not much from the Book of Enoch such as passages about angels is included in the Book of Jasher – it avoids angels and focuses on the known history (I suppose only prophets would have known about the angels and understood the angelic origin of the Nephilim).

  8. Me-thinks the pyramids all were built after the Flood but the Great Sphynx might have been built before it. It has evidence of severe erosion and the face on it was put there after the Flood, I think by recarving a pharaoh’s likeness where once there might have been another likeness such as a lion (can’t be sure where I read this). The erosion is in bands horizontal parallel to the ground which looks like where water level gradually either rose up or subsided or both.

  9. All Europe has areas of loess. Could these be left by the Flood. Not sure any of it coincides with sites associated with the exact time the Flood of Noah happened though (between 2500 and 2300 BC depending on which version of Early Dynastic chronology you accept).

  10. Marianne it really is such a blessing to find your blog. I don’t always agree with you – which actually I enjoy. And I love! Your insights, discussions and generous heart.

  11. Marianne, high five and even ten..! We do live under a vaulted dome, not being an umbrella on top of a globe, but the firmament above the plane ‘flat’ earth with Noah & sons already saying: ‘That huge amount of water indeed is level!’ Were they sailing, handling the ship themselves? I don’t think so,
    Did they have nautical knowledge? I doubt, but they had Fathers’ animals
    on board plus themselves, so He did care. (see Ron Wyatt for the details)

    The Hebrews, Israelites, Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks etc. etc. knew the earth is plane. Five ages ago the Jesuits started promoting the sun as being the centre of the so called ‘universe’. We have been fooled, and about that I did feel ashamed, three months ago. And not wanting to stir up your site – did research all your posts – I kept silent. Haha,now you are asking for it, so no, there was not a global flood but a total one.


  12. The concept that there was some sort of natural land-locked basin that held the waters of the flood is completely flawed and unscientific. Pangaea broke apart 175 million years ago and it is still moving. Trying to get Pangaea to work in just a few thousand years is simply ludicrous from a geological standpoint.
    But a local flood is mandatory if one asks the question, “where did all the water go?” however, since a world wide flood would require more water than has ever existed on the earth.
    It turns out the obvious solution is shown in the opening illustration with the ark floating on an invisible containment field holding in the water. God could have created some sort of force field to hold in the water, perhaps the same type of field He used to hold back the waters of the Red Sea long enough for Moses to pass through.
    In any case, the event had to include some almighty power and could not be attributed to natural forces. It seems to me that the force field would be a logical choice rather than having to mangle the entire surface of the earth and speed up plate tectonics to a ridiculous speed to get the job done. And then He would have had to completely modify the earth’s surface to make it appear to have followed the laws of nature for all this time, just to fool modern-day scientists.
    Also, if you read the book of Enoch where he describes the flood, he uses the term “container” four times in his description.
    So a local flood is the only solution that makes any real sense. And the spiritual container idea makes it a fairly simple matter for someone like God to create.
    Of course none of this can be proved. But in general, the simplest explanation is generally the most likely to be true.

  13. Also, as far as the animals go, a local flood would not require God to magically transport animals from all over the world, only from the area affected by the flood. Some were needed for food and others for sacrifice. Noah and his wife built a “ranch” to raise the animals as well as altars which are there to this day. If you look at the current distribution of animal species across the earth, it could not be explained by Noah releasing two of each species form the mountains near Ararat and expecting them to migrate to Australia, the Americas and the rest of the world, all matched to their environments and many in complete isolation. So how did all the kangaroos and Koala bears get to Australia with none getting sidetracked? I don’t think a worldwide redistribution of animals going from two each in Turkey to what we see today in just a few thousand years.
    Look, God just had to get rid of a few thousand of His unfaithful people who lived in a small area maybe less than a thousand miles in any direction. So why take out every creature on the planet to accomplish such a relatively small task? Is God that wasteful? I doubt it.
    I think a lot of interpretation can be done just using common sense. I’m sure God has the same amount of it as we do.

    • james

      if you look above in the post, I am trying to figure out geographically what would have been the outline or the outer limits of the basin. do you have any ideas about this?

      • As I said, God only had to kill off a certain group of people living in a small area in turkey. If I was to do it, I would encircle all the tribes with a force field, using natural barriers (mountain ranges) as part of the enclosure. So the fish tank would only extend as far as there were people that had to be eradicated. Its probably not possible to know where all of God’s people were located so long ago so we will never know the exact size of the basin. The basin itself may not have been deeper than the local mountains such as Ararat. From a ship at sea the horizon isn’t more than 5 miles away, so as far as Noah could tell, the flood extended out forever in all directions, even though a mountain top might be just over his horizon a few miles beyond his 5 mile visible limit. And of course God could easily have kept the ark near the center of the basin the whole time, keeping mountain ranges out of sight to Noah.
        This is all just speculation of course. God could have done the flood any way he wanted including making all the water out of thin air and then making it all disappear when he was done with it. But if He was going to obey His own laws of physics, then the local flood makes the most sense.

        • i see SOME mountains, but not enough to make a basin

          • Marianne, my understanding is that the flood was caused when the earth was turned on its axis. (Mountain ranges were also thrust up at this time and much of antediluvian wealth and greenery buried to be later discovered as precious metals and coal.) The firmament (water layer) above the earth was broken causing the great deluge over THE WHOLE EARTH.
            The coming total eclipse (only in the U.S.) is at the time of a New Moon. Moslems like to attack at this time. This may bring The Northern Attack of Russia/Iran/allies against Israel AND the U.S.
            NOW is a GREAT time to believe in Yahweh and His Son Yahshua!

            • Amen

            • 4,
              While your understanding of the earth’s history may have been drawn from actual bible verses your interpretation does not jive with actual scientific facts. Only God’s magic could have caused your events. Possible, but scientific records do not line you with it. Not even close. No natural mechanisms and nowhere near enough water.
              As for the second battle of Daniel (Russia/China) coming this month (21st) I believe that is just wishful thinking. The first battle hasn’t even happened yet. I know you think the second coming will be next year so you’ve got to cram a lot of prophecy into the next 14 months but this is really jumping the gun. If Russia and China were planning to move a 200 million man army across the middle east with all the necessary equipment and supplies, the whole world would already know it. With all our satellites, spies and other information collecting methods today, there will never be a sneak attack of that magnitude.
              Unless God is going to place all of the resources in place magically, it can’t happen now even if they started tomorrow.
              So that’s what I think. I guess we will soon see if anything happens.

              • Bible studies at White House. Good change in USA.

              • 8~16~5999 (out of 6000) in these VERY REAL LAST DAYS.

                James, China is not involved in the Northern Attack of Ezekiel 38 – 39. Iran is. If China attacks, it comes after it. Events we know NOTHING about are happening ALL of the time! That’s why most of the events in Revelation are already happening or did some time ago. You do not seem to understand HOW MUCH water the firmament held above all of the earth. Also, turning the earth on its axis could rupture the earth crust causing sudden mountain ranges. All of this happened roughly four thousand years ago.
                And who did this? Yes, Yahweh did!
                Sadly, besides lacking wisdom you also do not seem to have much imagination. Yes, James, you can wait and see. However, remaining Christian, meaning holding on to, “The Mark of the Beast” and NOT being SEALED in the Names of the Father and Son (Yahweh and Yahshua), means that instead of salvation you may experience the plagues that will fully encompass the last year.

                My sincere condolences!


                • I agree, China attacks last, with Russia in the second battle of Daniel.
                  But I don’t buy into your idea that most of the Book of Revelation has already happened, going mostly unnoticed by the rest of the world. None of it could happen until the fig tree blossomed in 1948.
                  As for the earth having rotated on its axis 4000 years ago… it never happened. Geologists and climatologists have proven that. It would have completely changed the earths climate worldwide and astronomy would have completely changed with all the stars and planets etc showing up in completely different locations. It would have been the greatest natural alteration in history and surely would have been noted by someone. But you clam such an event could somehow go completely unnoticed by anyone who might write it down for posterity.
                  As for your “water in the firmament” theory, it is simply impossible. Here is some science: Water vapor is held in the atmosphere yes, but this process is variable and depends on certain variables. The air temperature is critical. The warmer the air, the more water it can hold. But if it cools, some water must be released in the form of rain or snow. Look up “relative humidity” for simple details. For the atmosphere to hold all the water necessary for a worldwide flood, the air temperature would have to be near or above boiling and still wouldn’t hold that much water. Also, there is the matter of atmospheric pressure. Under present conditions we lie under an atmospheric weight of 14lbs per square inch, but we are used to it and don’t notice it. But imagine if there was the equivalent of 7 miles of water hanging in the air. It is still water with the same weight per molecule, so the weight would be identical as if we free-dived to the bottom of the ocean. We would be crushed like bugs. There would be virtually no life on earth, and surely no human life. So the conditions you suggest could never happen, and if they did it would kill all of mankind.
                  So with 5 days to go do you still believe there will be a “Northern Attack of Russia/Iran/allies against Israel AND the U.S.?”
                  Or maybe it will happen but no one will notice it, like all the other Book of Revelation events you claim have already happened.
                  Guess we’ll see.

                  • James, as far as I am concerned, the Northern Attack can happen on any of Yahweh’s Appointed Days of which the New Moons are. I have been believing about this attack since 1982 so in my mind it should happen. This eclipse happens on a New Moon forty days before Yom Kippur which also seems prophetic to me.
                    It seems to me that you have convinced yourself that The Great Flood must have happened according to your own weak understanding. Just reading the Bible verses should clue us in.

                    “But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.” Genesis 2:3 Holy Name Bible

                    The firmament caused this and it was a world wide watering..

                    “In the sixth hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the FLOODGATES of heaven were opened.” Genesis 7:11 And, James, you don’t think that this was enough water to cover the earth??

                    It’s really sad that you seem to limit your understanding about Biblical history. But it’s HORRIFIC if you have deceived yourself OUT of eternal salvation in Yahweh’s Kingdom of those saved through belief in Yahshua the Messiah, His Son!


                    • As I’ve always said, you can believe in a worldwide flood if you wish, but if so, you must believe that God used His powers to keep all that water in the sky without crushing all life on earth, and after the flood he must have made the water “disappear” somehow, maybe shooting it off into space, but it surely is no longer here on earth.
                      As for the animals, how did all the jaguars get to Sourth America (and nowhere else) not to mentu=ion the kangaroos and koalas in Australia along with thousand or millions of other species all over the globe. You would have to attribute their migration to acts of God also, and the diversity of the human race worldwide in only 4000 years. That couldn’t happen naturally so God must have made it happen without any humans even noticing it. And then He would have to create a false fossil record to match what we know today. Quadrillions of different fossils carefully placed in the proper layers of rocks all around the world.
                      Sure He could do all this. But why? Why not show the flood was worldwide thru geology and animal migration as “impossible to explain miracles?” Then we would know for sure that there was a God. Sorry, but all that is just to illogical for me. I don’t believe God is that silly and trivial and out to fool all mankind and science as to what really happened.
                      So if you are right, there is no proof possible of what happened because God erased it all, so just take everything on faith and your interpretation of scriptures. There is nothing wrong with that. Many people who are ignorant of science have believed that for 3000 years. So one of us has to be fooled and if you don’t believe in science there is no way to prove who is right.
                      So tell me, exactly what do you think it means, “ all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the FLOODGATES of heaven were opened.” I’ve taken 120 units of geology and nowhere have I heard described “the fountains of the deep.” And where are the floodgates of heaven? And which heaven do you think it refers to? The atmosphere or God’s kingdom? There are certainly none on earth right now. You can’t interpret either of these things in a ration, scientific manner. They sound more like an event from a comic book than something natural. So I’m not so sure you can really tell what they mean because they would not be anything us humans would be familiar with. So you can use your imagination to create whatever magical phenomenon you wish, but it is all just a figment of your imagination. And that goes for the rest of prophecy as well. You read, conjure up images in your mind, and you have your interpretation. We all do it and we all come up with different interpretations. That’s why we’re here.
                      But believe me, if Russia were planning to invade Israel in 4 days, we would know it by now. I’m afraid your imagination is running a bit too wild on this prediction.

    • As commented by SGreen and myself, you have to add books like the book of Jubuliees, book of Enoch and the book of Jasher back into this equation or our knowledge will be left to our limited understanding and speculation. We must also take into account natural observable phenomena we can see such as Niagara Falls and these pothole located in the middle of lakes (and possibly in the oceans) where tons of water is swallowed up into the earth’s crust.
      I do understand that once Adam and Eve sinned, the earth was affected producing thorn and thistle, the killing of life. Has that not been past on to us? As we continue to sin and disobey it causes the earth to moan and groan( earthquakes ,tsunamis, tornados) for the coming of the Yashua

  14. Dearest Marianne, this is ment personal, so do with it whatever you like. This guy is 72 years young and ‘recently’ and ‘coincidently’ did see a vid about the ‘flat’ earth.. clicked another one.. and got rather astonished..! Studying also the comments – seeming to belong to a ‘war zone’ – he decided to give it a rest for at least a few days..

    That next weekend, giving the ‘flat earthers’ a fair chance, I discovered that vids uploaded by Christians got bombed even worse! Wow, the war was (of course) for a big part a spiritual one, for the verses comming ‘out of an old and stupid book’ , the Word of God, were clear and.. also the visual facts.

    Yes, I felt even a bit ashamed. Of course not believing the evolution theory, the big bang bussiness etc. the theory about the globe got simply accepted.
    We and our parents etc. got indoctrinated by the time it got sold, while men like Martin Luther etc. kept believing the biblical few and firmly protested..!

    NASA, with most of the astronauts being masons like the earlier scientists is also under control of the jesuits. And already Copernicus – Jesuit trained –
    said something like: Sometimes a lie is needed in serving a higher goal.’
    NASA, with the blue marble logo and the red splitted tongue of a serpent.
    NASA, in Hebrew meaning: ‘to deceive’. (The last I didn’t control myself.)

    Yes, the ‘Flat earth conspiracy’ is said to be the hotest item on YouTube.
    By that battle we can read testimonies of people finding their believe in God back and also non believers, athïsts saying God & the creation are great.

    He knows, is this a topic..? That ‘battle’ on your site? A little help:

    Rob Skiba was strugling to, also being a Christian, see the results.


    Marianne, God bless. With respect (!) and love from the Netherlands.


    • olaf

      I think this is strange that this is a topic.

      for me, as long as I do not fall off the earth, it does not matter to me what it is shaped like

      the book of Isaiah describes the earth as a circle….which could either be flat, like a coin or dinner plate, or it could mean round like a ball.

      • “When he inscribed a [circle / edge / horizon] on the face…” [Prov 8:27] clearly the iron age people could see a horizon wherever they stood and wherever they were it was the same distance from them. This proverb describes it (and surely Solomon knew a thing or two) as an edge to the view he had that formed a circle horizontally always around his current position no matter where that was. So this was clearly not the edge of the world itself or the observer would not always be center of the circle of the horizon around them. So they would with insight realise this was an edge formed by uniform curvature of the surface of the earth so they earth must not be flat. If they travelled far they might have a hunch it was spherical because the curvature would result in this exact same phenomenon no matter where on the earth they were. Without worldwide travel it would not be observable that it was a sphere because it could be a hemisphere since they could only go as far as Asia, Africa and the extremities of Europe. Enoch might have gone far enough to know it was a sphere. The Greeks eventually worked it out.

        • good thought

        • Thinking further, The Book of Proverbs (8:27) probably does contain the one proof in the scriptures of the understanding existing a thousand years BC that the Earth is a sphere. “…when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep” has two words that say it all – horizon and face. ‘Horizon’ or ‘edge’, Hebrew chug, indicates they could stand in a boat at sea and in each direction see an edge the same distance from them whichever direction they were and this would be the same in whichever geographical location they were at sea. ‘Face’ literally human face, Hebrew paneh, clinches it because this is used to describe that circle around the observer at sea formed by the horizon. A face is circular. It clinches the proof because a face on a person’s head is curved so the nose is higher than the ears if the face is horizontal and looking from the surface in the centre where the nose is, all that can be seen is as far as the ears and chin and top of head which is here compared to the horizon; and of course the reason for this is that the head is spherical like a ball. So picking these words chuga and paneh to describe the Earth as observed from sea (the deep, Hebrew tehom) shows an understanding of not just a spherical Earth but how the horizon at sea proves that understanding.

  15. Obviously scientists would prefer not to admit it happened because it would take too much effort explaining how it happened without a God.

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