Garden of Eden and the "Trees" of Lebanon

 

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Trees have been sometimes described as people, or nations in scripture.

Suppose the trees in the Garden of Eden were also people groups, and the forbidden fruit was actually association with those people groups?

Author : Bee

http://www.bibleuncovered.co.za/

The symbolism of trees as people

Let us look at trees and their symbolism so we can start to unravel the mystery of the Garden of Eden and the Cedars of Lebanon as found in The Holy Bible.

(1) MARK 8:24
And he looked up and said, “I see men as trees, walking.”

(2) JUDGES 9:8

The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, “Reign thou over us.”

9:9 But the olive tree said unto them, “Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?”

9:10 And the trees said to the fig tree, “Come thou, and reign over us.”

9:11 But the fig tree said unto them, “Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?”

9:12 Then said the trees unto the vine, “Come thou, and reign over us.’

9:13 And the vine said unto them, “Should I leave my wine, which cheers God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?”

Didn’t that form quite a humorous scenario with all these trees Interacting and speaking to each other?

They are actions not possible to be performed by a tree, therefore we know it is symbolism for something else.

The Lord tells us how to think when we read the Bible, when you look up the word ” WORD” or “SAYINGS” in the New Testament it means LOGOS.

Therefore we know we must apply LOGIC. So logically, can a tree move (walk) or speak or reign? The answer is no, but people can do these things.

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Now read the following passage relating trees to people (nations)

(3) ISAIAH 55:12
For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

Again, ask yourself, “ Can trees do these things?” Logically, absolutely not.

(4) ISAIAH 14:18
Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Note, now God tells us that the CEDAR trees are the people of Lebanon. You can actually do a study on this to identify all the trees of the field.

(5) EZEKIEL 17:24
And all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done it.

(6) SONG OF SONGS 2:3
As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

Here the Lord makes a direct correlation between people and Trees. So now we can see that Trees are actually a symbolism for nations.

(7) EZEKIEL 31:9
I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

(8) EZEKIEL 31:18
To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden?

Yet shall thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shall lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword.

This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, says the Lord GOD.

Here Ezekiel is speaking to Pharaoh, king of Egypt and his multitude. Now note, where are these trees?

In Eden! Even Pharaoh’s ancestors!

So now we know that there were more people in Eden, Adam and Eve were not alone. There is a deeper meaning present.

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LET’S TALK FRUIT

GEN 30:2
And Jacob’s anger was kindled against Rachel, and he said, “Am I in God’s stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?”

EXODUS 21:22
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her,…

DEUT 28:4
Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body,…

ISAIAH 13:18
Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.

Many take fruit as just spiritual fruit, but here the Bible gives a clear indication that fruit is also fruit from the body.

I will keep saying this but the Bible is a TWO EDGED SWORD so both a physical and spiritual interpretation apply

Let me share a symbolic fruit of a nation with you.

SONG OF SONGS 2:3
As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

Out of all the trees God created, he refers to His beloved as the apple tree. We know that Judah is the most beloved tribe of God’s.

God uses Zion and Jerusalem as other descriptive words for Judah. (Refer to 2 Kings 19:21 and Psalms 147:12 amongst others) The book of lamentations is solely dedicated to the love God has for Judah and His pain at her downfall.

In the passage below God makes a direct correlation between an apple tree and the people of Judah.

LAMENTATIONS 2:18
Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of your eye cease.

Where does Judah lie ?

Isaiah 18:1
Woe to the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia…7 to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion.

For those that have ears let them hear.

The vineyard is God’s garden and the grapes His beloved, and above all His obedient beloved. And so we can go on and on, uncovering the symbolic meanings of fruit for different nations.

So now we can clearly understand the symbolism of fruit being children or offspring and the trees the nations.

Thank you Lord, that if we seek we will find and nothing will be hid from us. It will be revealed to us by the Blessed and loving Holy Spirit. Amen

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The Garden of Eden

What happened in the Garden of Eden, was it really centered around Eve eating a apple, or does the apple symbolize something else?

So now let us go to the Garden of Eden with the knowledge gained from the Symbolism in the Bible study and see what happened there.

GENESIS 2:9

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Here the Lord says that HE made certain trees to grow that were pleasant etc.

But please note that He states that the Tree of Life and the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil were also there and not that the Lord God made them to grow. This subtle difference becomes very important later on…

GENESIS 2:16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden thou may freely eat…”

Now remembering that trees are symbolic of people let’s look at the word “eat”.

Logically speaking people don’t eat people on a daily basis!

So we know this is also a metaphor for something else. Let’s assume for now it is of a sexual nature especially if we look at the word “touch”.

Definition of “touch” (‘naw-gah’) – A primitive root; properly to touch, that is, lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphemistically, to lie with a woman)

So “touch” is to literally touch or lay with, which is sexual.

GENESIS 3:3
“But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden,” God hath said, “Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.”

GENESIS 2:17
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof thou shall surely die.”

There is our sin unto death!

Remember: HEB 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today and for ever.

So again I know of no tree that has the knowledge of anything, least of all good and evil, do you?

Right, so Adam and Eve may “eat” (partake) of all the other trees except this tree with the knowledge of good and evil.

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Enter the snake

GENESIS 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

We know that this is also symbolism for someone and not an actual snake as we know logically speaking a snake cannot be subtle (conniving, manipulative) or speak.

REVELATION 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years…

So now we know that “serpent” is another name for Satan.

Please note how Eve actually “desired” this tree and a tree was able to “make one wise”.

Again not possible from any tree or fruit I know of, but this tree definitely has human characteristics.

GENESIS 3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Please note that after Adam and Eve “ate” of this tree, (committed this sin) they where immediately ashamed of their bodies.

This is a clear indication that their sin was of a sexual nature as they did not cover their mouths or any other body part.

Satan had beguiled them to commit a sexually immoral act with a people God forbade them to, but Satan approved of.

I will show how the Bible backs this up further in this discussion.

GENESIS 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Strongs – a belt (for the waist): – apron, armour, gird (-le).

We now need to ask ourselves why God, if he created all the trees (nations), would he not allow Adam and Eve to “touch” (lay with) all the fruit (people)? Here lies our answer.

GENESIS 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

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Suggested conclusion so far (Marianne’s note):

The concept of one man and one woman existing alone in the garden may not be true.

Other nations (other trees) seeded by Satan, had preceded them, and were alive at the time Adam and Eve were created.

The garden was not originally guarded or closed, so that the entrance was open and accessible by the enemy. So the enemy was around.

The forbidden tree and fruit, which had knowledge of both good and evil, was association with the seed (people) of Satan.

Eve sinned with this seed of Satan, and Adam joined in.

Both were condemned for this.

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So Satan has a seed?

And yes, it is a physical seed.

See the following scriptures.

GENESIS 4:25
And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: “For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.”

GENESIS 17:7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

LEVITICUS 12:2
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child…

LEVITICUS 15:16
And if any man’s seed of copulation go out from him…

Yes, so Satan DOES have a seed and it must be in human form, as we now know trees are people and understand that we sin physically here on earth and bind it spiritually.

Let’s look at this parable and see if it makes more sense now.

MATTHEW 13:24 – 30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man (God) which sowed good seed in his field: but while men slept, his enemy (Satan) came and sowed tares (Satan’s Seed) among the wheat, and went his way.

But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, “Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?”

He said unto them, “An enemy hath done this.” The servants said unto him, “Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?”

But he said, “Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers,

‘Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.'”

And here Jesus explains it very simply and straightforward.

MATTHEW 13:37 – 40
He answered and said unto them, “He that sows the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”

 Thank you Bee, for a great post! You gave us all something to think about!


232 Responses to “Garden of Eden and the "Trees" of Lebanon”

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    • for you theory to be correct, that the trees in eden are people who are the seed of satan then Satan must be a creator.
      does the scriptures support that view?

      • jtk

        this post was written by a guest author..normally I would let them answer but they are not available….so I will try to explain

        satan does not need to be a creator here

        god made all life forms….once made they reproduce on their own

        genesis 1 has what some refer to as a time gap….

        verse 1….god made the heavens and earth…(we know he does a good job… it is not like him to create voids and chaos…..he does things in order and is complete in what he does)

        .then suddenly

        verse 2… there is chaos, and a void, and god seems to recreate from the chaos.

        the bible does say that satan and his group were cast down to earth before the creation of man, so they were present.

        it is possible that the earth was a beautiful world to begin with and when satan showed up, everything got destroyed.

        so god started over , recreated, and put man in charge….

        it is not “bible” but it is now very evident that “aliens” are here and have been around for a long time on the earth..lots of eye witnesses and archaeology… look at stonehenge

        maybe these are the other people groups that adam and eve mixed with, if this theory of “trees” is true

  2. Extra note from Bee:

    the Bible never mentioned once that the fruit they ate was an apple

    and that in fact God refers to the apple tree as His beloved.

    Oh how subtle Satan is!

  3. Hi Marianne,
    you wrote: “The concept of one man and one woman existing alone in the garden may not be true.” and “Other nations (other trees) seeded by Satan, had PRECEDED them, and were alive at the time Adam and Eve were created.”

    But what about Genesis 3, 20 (“…Mother of ALL LIVING”) and 1. Cor. 15, 45 (“And so it is written, THE FIRST MAN Adam was made a living soul; …”)??

    Blessings, Harold

    • hi harold

      Good point.

      This post is a look at the use of metaphor in the bible. Trees many times represented nations. It may not be true that 100% of the use is metaphorical. The use of “trees” in Genesis does make one wonder about the literal meaning.

      Looking at the expression of “all living’ I wonder what defines life at that point. Human life? I could mean that just there were just Adam and Eve in the garden. Or, if there were more “beings” around, it could mean only those with living souls, ie not born of demonic spirits. Demons are not “alive” in the natural sense. They are just spirits.

      I was not there in the garden. I wish I was. It would be nice to see what happened, since thousands of years later, I am still affected by it.

    • Bee sent this message in for Harold:

      Yes, God is the father of all living, those with the breath of life.

      Only God’s seed has the breath of life and that is why Satan’s seed is so destructive.

      Same as the phrase ” all of creation” yes, that what He created.

      satan only duplicates with a slight difference.

      Blessing Bee

      • Didn’t see this post before but I guess it’s saying essentially the same thing I was trying to say.

    • It seems simple “the first man was made a LIVING SOUL”.. There is no “life” without god. What ever a person was before that was not mankind and did not truly live… Like a niandatol perhaps ?

      • hi Benjamin

        Since satan fell before mankind was created, and it was apparent he was in the garden, I assume the “others” there were not human either. They were not alive with the spirit of god, because they had fallen and lost this true life at their fall.

        • Interesting thought!

        • Hi, this is all very good.
          Exegetical research that finds challenging answers and is not afraid to share it publicly. Maybe you are not welcome in some denominations.

          I have my doubts about Satan having fallen before the first act of sin. He was malicious in some way but not actually committed evil before Adam and Eve fell.
          The argument is as follows.
          God is the best parent there is. No good human parent would allow something that is powerful and bent on destroying the children close to them. Had Lucifer (turned Satan) become evil before Adam and Eve, God would have looked to change him before he creates his children, or would not allow him to get close to His children. He would have warned them directly about dealing with Lucifer as he warned the Israelites not to worship idols.

          Then Lucifer must have actually committed his first evil act at the moment Eve ate of the fruit.

          The conclusion would follow then that if eating the fruit is having sexual relationships, then Eve first had an unnatural relationship with an angel.

          Wow, is this possible?

          Read Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but ab abandoned their own home these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

          • pedro

            your points are interesting. as logic goes, points raise more points

            My impression is that satan “fell” while in heaven due to rebellion against god. he was guilty of pride and exalting himself above god. so he got kicked out and “fell” to earth

            god considers rebellion “evil” enough to punish it.

            we get our concept of evil from the 10 commandments, which was written later for mankind. in heaven, angels should not have needed these directives

            jesus makes a comment somewhere that he witnessed satan’s “fall”

            so naturally, satan’s first act with adam and eve is to make them rebel and disobey god also.

            sex with eve is very possible, although it does say that eve convinced adam to “eat of the fruit” also… so the first human sin for both man and woman is also rebellion, followed by possible sodomy with the snake like satan.

            once this was accomplished, satan went on to their children, and cain murdered abel.

            maybe god should have given the 10 commandments to Adam, and not waited for Moses.

            my thoughts so far….

    • Eve being the “mother of all living” could be saying that those “seeds” that are Satan’s spiritual offspring, are DEAD and have not the life of God in them…aka the tares. So when it is said that Eve was the mother of all living, those are the ones who have the nĕshamah or the breath of life from God the Father.Satan’s seeds are like hybrid seeds which can’t reproduce life.They don’t have Father God’s “breath of life” in them See Genesis 2:7:

      ” and the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

      They, Satan’s seeds, reproduce death seeds…like Monsanto…hybrid seeds which have no life in them.

      I wonder how they were “energized”…those bad seeds…I wonder how they were able…if they were trees of Satan’s creation, then they have his “spiritual” life in them, not Father Gods.Being a spirit and a highly exalted one before he fell, Satan must have had some kind of abilty to “create” beings of a different kind. Not “life” beings, but “death” beings you could say, who could never be redeemed.

      Not sure where i am going with this….just thinking out loud.

      • lets not for get God created all races on the 6th day. remember 1 day with the lord is as 1000 years. He rested on the 7th day. then created atom and eve and placed them in the garden to tend it . this is why eve would be called the mother of all living for from there line or seed would come our redeemer. and satin aimed to destroy this seed line and tried to corrupt it. this is why God had to save Noah and his family . to preserve the line in which Jesus would come. so all souls good or bad would have a chance of salvation……….rj

  4. I think trees could well represent men..Like the two olive trees of Revelation 11..I also think it is a possibility that Adam and Eve represented all men and women…The bible gives hints that we were all there and some were even chosen from the beginning..

    I have yet to understand the PARABLE OF THE FIG TREE of Matt24-32..Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:……. It only brings to mind that the Adams covered themselves with fig leaves and possible the tree they ate of was a fig tree…but I do not know yet.

    Sex was mentioned above as possibly original sin..
    I am pretty sure original sin had nothing to do with sex.. Sex was in fact the first blessing from God, BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY…I think satans knowledge imparted to the Adams was that sex was evil…of course satan would call blessing as curses and curses as blessings..

    Luke 8-11…Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

    As for Matthew 13:35-38 beginning with verse 35 Jesus says he will utter mysteries sealed since the foundation of the WORLD… I am pretty sure this sealed mystery is Gensis 3-15 about the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent.. Jesus then proceeds to speak of the good seed and the tares…
    The good seed are those who hear the word of God, understand it and bring forth fruit.

    The aforementiond seed of the woman is mentioned in Rev. 12-17..And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. That war takes place in chapter 13..

    As Luke 8-11 says the seed is the word of god and this seed reproduces after its kind…BORN AGAIN OF THE WORD OF GOD…satan did likewise via koran…

    • I wonder then too about the golden apple from the guarded garden of the heavens was which Paris did award to one of the three most beautiful “grecians” .. Troy seems in this light to be very similar to babel.. There’s even a smighted heal (as of casa Cain).

  5. There are two Gardens. One is the Heavenly and the other is earthly, yet no creature knows where the earthly one is.
    Much less where the heavenly one is.
    Why? Because the gates of the Garden are guarded.
    The Mighty Trees of The Garden are hidden.
    God entered into a covenant with Adam when God spoke and said …
    And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
    But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    There is always always a covenant between God and His Creations when GOD COMMANDS.
    Always … without exceptions.
    Even with all of His creations, animals … every aspect of His creations entered into a covenant with God when they were as well commanded by Him to be fruitful and to multiply after their kind.
    You don’t see an elephant mating a horse now do you?
    A man is amn is a man. Black, red, white, yellow races are man!
    It is said that ‘the blind, which leads the blind’ are those today who ‘refuse’ to see colors. Those are indeed blind.
    God created the sun so we could indeed see colors.
    Not every flower is white now is it?

    The first covenant God made with man … man broke.
    The tree of life in the garden is ‘that bread from Heaven’ … the Christ, The Living Bread.
    And This tree will forever be guarded with a flaming sword …’The Word.’
    Think on that.
    Eternal Life will not be given to those who rejects Him.
    And those who have rejected Him and the new covenant will never eat of the fruit of Tree of Life.
    A seed is salt ‘you are the salt of the earth.’
    You are a light which cannot be hidden once it is lit.
    The seed of the woman is the Christ, He who is The Light of ‘the world’.
    The seed of the Serpent is ‘darkness’, ignorance and unbelief and disobedience.
    Enough said.

  6. 1Jo 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
    God is faithful and so bless His Holy Name.

  7. Hi Abigail
    Yor comment on a man is man is actually quite interesting, saying a man is a man if he is blue green etc.
    actually the hebrew for man contradicts this assumption.
    Asman comes from the root word Ada am, which is Adam and the defention for that is to be able to be rubbed red and show blood through the skin, to be able to blush. to be ruddy.

    Well we know if you are blue you’re red blood will not show as ruddy through your blue skin.
    In the Image of God made he man.
    Image comes from the hebrew word meaning to shade.
    Now put it together and see what you get. Interesting !

    The tree of life is the law and knowledge and wisdom see Proverbs 3;18

    Those that eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil will have the knowledge and wisdom shut up to them forever as it was for Adam and Eve. That is why this sin is so important, once committed there is no way of redeeming oneself.

    Where do you find the scripture the seed is salt ?
    please supply scriptures to your statements so we can all be on the same page.

    I think it is important to figure what went on in the garden without prejudice to what we may find, as this sin has a death penalty attached to it, still valid today. We will also be held accountable on judgment day for accepting or rejecting the Word.
    Blessings in the Truth

    • Dear Bee,

      I never said ‘if a man is blue, green etc.’
      There are 4 rivers which flows out of the garden.
      There are 4 races of color on the planet.
      And my references are from the ‘Jewish encyclopedia’
      Too long for me to post here.
      A covenant is also always sealed with salt.
      Salt is the seed.
      Salt is most stable.
      I do a lot of research and what I have presented is its results.
      To be able to blush means to be ashamed and thus repent.
      If you are in a covenant with The Lord, you are able to do this and be forgiven.
      The freemasons have partaken of the fruit of the tree of knowledge.
      enough said … because it is a huge topic.

  8. Hi Ruth
    It i quite clear from the evidence above that sex was the original sin.
    But you are missing something.
    Not all sex is bad as from all the trees they may eat but NOT from the tree of knowledge. Having ” illegal” sex is a main theme
    in the Bible Read the first chapter of Jude and you will see all those predestined for destruction have committed an illegal sexual act.
    Way of Cain, error of Balaam, Sodom and Gamorrha,they are accused of going after ” strange flesh”.

    The word is a two edged sword and we must never forget this.
    Too many Christian leaders just look for the spiritual meaning and completely forget about the natural or physical side.
    This is a grave mistake as we walk in physical bodies and sin in our physical bodies which reap spiritual repercussions.
    We steal when we physically take something that does not belong to us, we commit idolatry by our actions.
    That is why the Lord says ” it is not those that say Lord, Lord but those THAT DO THE WILL of the Lord.

    So yes, seed is first physical or natural as the Word says and then once understood move on to the spiritual meaning.

    The fig tree parable is prophetic and the Tribe of Judah are liked to a fig tree. I have personally not done a study on it yet, but will let you know what I find when I do.
    Blessings

  9. Bee here is a recent short video which somewhat touches on this subject.
    May this be informative to you.

  10. Hi Abigail
    Yes, sorry you did not say blue green. I apologise, but yes, the person must be able to show blood through the skin and not all are able to do this.
    I agree, the masons have most definitely eaten from this tree but unfortunately so have many on this planet as only a remnant will be saved in the end.

    I would like to see your evidence of the four rivers being different races. Please you can mail it to me at beebreedt@gmail.com
    I know of people who have not made a covenant with the Lord but who are able to be rubbed red and blush, so that explanation does does not work for me.

    What i have found are also other people in Eden known symbolically as beasts of the field, fish of the sea and fowl of the air also known as the “them” but they were also formed out of the ground coming from the same word as Adam ( ruddy) and also God called the ” them” and “Him” Adam Gen 5;2
    This to me clearly indicated “Adam” to be a descriptive word as there could not have been a hundred males and females running around with the name Adam.

    Bessings

  11. Oh yes, thanks for the video.
    Bandwidth is very expensive in Africa so i will need to get some more before watching it.

    • Well you’ve lost me completely 🙂
      I don’t know what you are talking about.
      sorry … but I do NOt understand what you are saying.
      You say :” but yes, the person must be able to show blood through the skin and not all are able to do this.”
      Every one has blood.
      Who is it that do not have blood in themselves??
      And the color of blood is red. ‘ruddy’
      Is this not true?

  12. Here is a copy and paste article for your consideration.
    “Why was only a single specimen of man created first? To teach us that he who destroys a single soul destroys a whole world and that he who saves a single soul saves a whole world; furthermore, in order that no race or class may claim a nobler ancestry, saying, ‘Our father was born first’; and, finally, to give testimony to the greatness of the Lord, who caused the wonderful diversity of mankind to emanate from one type. And why was Adam created last of all beings? To teach him humility; for if he be overbearing, let him remember that the little fly preceded him in the order of creation.”

    Read more: http://jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=758&letter=A&search=rivers%20of%20eden#ixzz0VHOObdQL

  13. Abigail

    Where in scripture does it say the salt is the seed?

    How do you get 4 people groups from 4 rivers? Are you saying 4 groups ended up by 4 rivers, or 4 rivers symbolized 4 original groups?

    Bee,

    Are you saying that black people do not have red blood? They cannot blush.

  14. Marianne,
    You are the salt of the earth. Truly you are.
    As for the 4 rivers … think …
    Man always have needed water and aren’t tribes or clans likely to follow closely to water?
    Even today aren’t cities built around rivers?
    I’ll let your brilliant mind room for imagination.
    🙂

  15. Hi M
    No I am not saying black people do not have red blood, I am saying they are unable to show that red blood through the skin and turn ruddy through rubbing or blushing as the definition for man/ Adam says.

    Abigail
    I agree the four rivers could be symbolic for people but I would not make such statement yet, as i cannot prove it through scripture and imagination is a good start but not true until scripturally backed up, follow the evidence i say.

    I’m sorry but I have to see scriptural back up for statements anybody makes, as too many people just say whatever they think and take it as gospel.This is dangerous to say the least
    I’m sure as a Biblical scholar you can appreciate that.

    According to Math 5;13 God’s children who are merciful, peacemakers, mourners in this world and who are persacuted and reviled for His sake are the salt of the earth, these are a select few and not all humanity or all seed,not even all of His Believers. So salt is definetly not seed but the few true followers of the Lord.

    Blessings

  16. Bee just a quick note …
    The search for Eden has been a preoccupation of certain men for many years.
    Everyone searches for ‘the holy grail’ ,or for ‘the waters of life’, or ‘the Mountain of God’
    or ‘Eden and the fruit.’
    Actually that’s why Americas were discovered. The crusades were initiated back then in search of Solomons’ Temple and the holy grail.
    But behind all of this lust for power they are actually seeking ‘the seed’.
    They are still searching …
    This seems to be the ‘reason’ behind all research and journeys.
    The are looking for immortality so they can waste it upon themselves.
    The Empire financial backs that ‘quest’.
    Eden has been said to be located in various places.
    Egypt, Africa, Sumeria, Florida, Iraq etc.
    Actually if you observe the thread from an objective mind it will soon become clear to any one that it is the reason behind ALL wars.
    Nowadays they think that Eden is located in the Arctic.
    Just something to think upon.
    The Scriptures does not say where it is located.
    But they must believe it since they are searching. Alas their lustful wishes will not be given them.
    Why? Because, Jesus says ‘I am the Door.’
    Now that is why.

  17. And actually when I start typing I never know where the discussion will go …
    🙂

  18. Hi Abigail
    Thanks for the post.
    Yes, i am aware this has been a search for many people,
    but they are searching for physical place and what will they find there ? Nothing in my opinion, as Eden is a spiritual place, a place of obedience and walking in His commandments ” walking with God”
    AMEN

  19. Hi M
    According to the definition of ” Adam” they do not fit in so we need to look for them elsewhere.
    For interest sake look at the parable of the wheat and tares and go to the Greek for Wheat and Tares and see what you find.
    This could be a clue, bearing in mind that there is a literal and physical meaning to the double edged sword.( the word)

    Blessings

  20. Hi Marianne,
    I have been reading and re-reading Genesis 1, 2 and 3 recently.
    A few points to think about.
    The Renaissance Paintings always show the serpent, as winding around the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil..That is not true.The serpent was a quadraped, and was beautiful to look at.Only after the fall, did the serpent lose it’s ability to walk on all fours, and then slither on the ground.Also,it was one of the wild beasts, which could not be tamed by man, unlike all the other creatures the Lord God had made.(See Genesis 1:26)
    This may be important, as to why Satan chose this animal to speak through?
    My next point is the Garden of Eden.Was the Garden enclosed on three sides?
    I say this because the Bible says that, when Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden, a Cherubim and Flaming Sword were placed on the east side of the Garden, to guard the way, to the tree of Life.If the Garden of Eden was open, then they could have merely gone back into it, from another direction!?
    Does anyone else have any thoughts about some of the things I have mentioned?
    I would be interested in some feed back.

    • hi Glenn,

      I have thought about that too. As also stated here, the entrance may have been through a valley or canyon. The rest of the sides may have been made of mountains, or cliffs, too high, or too difficult, to climb.

      For those curious enough, this would give a hint as to the original land masses, before continental drift, that arranged the garden. You could follow fault lines and see where the mountains would bee.

    • hi Glenn,

      I have thought about that too. As also stated here, the entrance may have been through a valley or canyon. The rest of the sides may have been made of mountains, or cliffs, too high, or too difficult, to climb.

      For those curious enough, this would give a hint as to the original land masses, before continental drift, that arranged the garden. You could follow fault lines and see where the mountains would be.

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/the-garden-of-eden-and-the-%E2%80%9Cpit%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-tioran-land-drift-theory/

  21. Glenn,

    You have raised valid perceptions.
    Jesus says ‘I am The Door.’ The garden is enclosed! Further more the entrance is through a canyon. ‘The Strait and narrow way.’

    Bee ,

    Eden is not only a ‘spiritual place’. But I think a very tangible place …. where one rose smells like a thousand roses here.
    Unless of course you know that ‘Spirit’ is more real than physical.

  22. Back to some of the original points made in this article: is Bee saying the Biblical account is merely allegorical? And that the Scripture isn’t “correct”? I can’t buy that, as I doubt any truly Bible-believing person would. The Bible only gives us ‘outlines’, not all the fleshed-out details of what happened.

    The more I study the Word (going on 30 years now), the more I realize that virtually all of the OT set precedents for the NT. What happened in the OT in the natural, opened a window for God to do in the spiritual realm later. To keep this post short, just two examples: Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice Isaac, provided a precedent for God to offer His own Son (likely, on the same mountain!), later. And God’s political dealings w/ Israel often mirrored His internal dealings w/ us, on this side of the cross.

    The whole Garden of Eden scenario most certainly happened exactly as stated in Scripture; otherwise, God wouldn’t have inspired its being written that way. Some of what this article stated was a real stretch. We cannot try to have everything neatly, logically figured out, or we’ll rationalize our faith right out the window and miss what God’s trying to communicate to us.

  23. Hi Cindy
    No, I do not say at all that Eden was allegorical at all.
    I believe all literally happened.
    What I am saying is ” the garden Of Eden” is now a spiritual state we can all attain today through obedience.
    If we happen to find the physical eden, which i believe to be in the Euphrates valley, what will they find and learn there ?
    I believe there are spiritual lessons to be learned from each and every story which I believed happened.

    This article is just the tip of the ice berg of understanding what happened in Eden, but at least it opens up some symbolic meanings for us to begin unraveling what happened.
    I do not agree that we cannot know everything we want to, as Jesus says ” seek and ye shall find ” So if you want to know, He will show you.

  24. I have always percieved Eden as earth with close ties to heaven. After the fall of man, an angel was placed to keep “us” out. The Archangel at the gates of HEAVEN? A new boundry/fence/border that had been created because of???

  25. Bee.. Sex was the first blessing God gave Adam and Eve… He said ” Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, and he BLESSED THEM..”…This is God commanding them to have sex and multiply..with blessings
    The missing link is that sex between a man and wife is blessed,, but other sex is evil..as in beastality, homosexuality, child molestation, adultery, polygamy, etc.. which incidently is satan’s versions of sexual pleasures.. Sex perversions was ony part of the original sin knowledge..as was idolatry, killing, lying, polygamy, etc..
    Original sin caused the Adam’s to become mentally corrupt like satan.. God said it in Genesis 3-22… MAN HAS BECOME AS ONE OF US (SATAN) IN understanding what is good and what is evil.. AND MAN IS STILL IN THIS CORRUPT MINDSET… THIS IS WHY WE ARE TO PUT ON THE MIND OF CHRIST…
    The Bible is very simple..It is we who are so
    complicated from lies we cannot understand it..
    Satan always provides counterfeits to hide his evil,…. Believing sex was original sin is a counterfeit to cover the ttuth that original sin was satan’s version of what is good and what is evil….which of course is corrupt..
    Satan did a bang up job of making God appear evil… God told men to have sex and blessed them.. and then satan told men that sex was the first sin… If true,Would this not make god into a liar and a monster..

  26. “SATAN BIGGEST VICTORY WAS MAKING THE WORLD BELIEVE HE DOES NOT EXCIST” Quote un quote

    • Very true because if you do not believe the enemy exist, then you are open for attack at all times!

      • Wouldn’t it more likely be the other way around ? Where’s the sense in harassing someone who poses no threat ?

        This seems a little off topic to me

  27. Bee,
    I had an interesting experience a few days ago and I just remembered this now.
    I met a beautiful man by the name of Nati, an Israelite and a world renown dermatologist and as we engaged in conversation, he was rubbing the tips my fingers.
    And at some point he asked if I could feel the heat.
    When I looked … my whole hand was red.
    And yes I certainly felt hot throughout my body.
    Just thought this would be of interest to you.

  28. Here we see 3 rivers but that is only because ‘anthropologists’ have taught that there are only 3 races in the earth. Of course that is not true. There are 4 races. Black, Yellow
    White, and Red.
    But please watch this part 2 and the other 3, and 4.

  29. Abigail, I just cant seem to get your point..I have always read that the three races are from Noah’s sons.. They are Caucasian, Negroid and Asian…White, black and yellow-red..
    As for the video.. you do know mayans were big time astrology worshippers.. Their tower of babel astrology places of worship are still standing…They also practiced horrific human sacrifice… Nostradamus was also an astrologer… God condemns astrology throughout the Bible….Am I missing something????

  30. The man speaking describes the “return of the ancestors and men of wisdom,” who will bring peace in this other video.

    The Mayans worshiped a winged serpent as a god. I am not sure if I would want to be related to something like that.

  31. Research the foundation of the earth and the foundation of the world..in scripture.
    These are two separate inicidents.. The foundation-creation of the Earth is what God did in Genesis 1 and 2…
    The foundation of the world is what satan did in Genesis 3… He plunged the entire world into a delusional existence that believed in astrology worship.. …This astrology worship was practiced by every single civilization on earth…This is why satan is called the GOD OF THIS WORLD….. He was apollo, zeus, sin the moon god, etc..
    Satan monotheised the astrology worship after God called Abraham out of the astrology worship and monotheised Abraham..But every religion on earth even today with the exception of Christianity , maybe judaism are offshoots of astrology..This is the world system that will and is ending…at least it will be part of the systgem that ends..The earth itself will stand forever.. The Bible says it..

    • Ruth,
      http://www.thirdangelsmessage.com/ark/
      This link was given by James on Satan DNA page. If you go to ‘the beast and the mark’ and watch the film you will find how ‘Christianity’ has been since its beginning to today.
      They worship all of the celestial bodies and then some.
      R.C.C. and all of its harlots do not worship ‘The Living God.’ Sad but true.
      You will find in that particular film all the necessary proofs.

      Now in ancient times people of agriculture had calendars based on the stars and the motion of the equinox.
      God Himself placed the celestial bodies in the heavens for seasons and times.
      That was ‘the first calendar.’
      Peoples moved and navigated by these celestials luminaries. And we still do!
      To observe a system of keeping time is not ‘idol worship.’
      Sciences today have simply changed the word ‘astrology’ to the word ‘astronomy’.
      The word astrology means ‘ log of the stars’, and the word astronomy means
      ‘science of the stars.’
      What the Scriptures refers to is ‘necromancy’ as being smoke in God’s nostrils, is practiced by ‘the R.C.C.’
      These have actually conglomerated all ancient gods into its temples.

      What we see today in newspapers called ‘astrology’ is not astrology at all.
      It is childplay and is called ‘horoscope’.
      The worship of the sun and the stars and the planets ‘gods’ of the greeks, of ancient Babylon is found in ‘the Christian church of Rome.
      The freemasons are there too!
      Check it out.

      • Now there’s some sense !

        I’m not saying I don’t believe, but the jesus Mary god concept does actually predate Christianity by a good few hundred years. Coincidence ?

        The earliest imprints if these ideas of good and evil come from the consideration of flame in a dark cave. Regardless of space, there is the very ideas of good and evil which (of course) also predate Christianity.

        Monotheism in the Christian form may well predate polytheism.

  32. Enoch said men perverted the science of astronomy and took it as gods to be worshipped.. This is astrology.. and it began in Gensis… The fallen angel Barackiel taught men astrology… and it is the ancient forbiedden worship of the sun, moon and stars of Deut 4-19. It is also the religion that was REVIVED at the tower of babel..Astronomy was to calulate the planets and stars to determine times and seasosn.. not astrology..God forbid and condemned astrology throughout the Bible..

  33. Allah of Islam was formerly called SIN THE MOON GOD….This is one of the ancient astrology gods..There were seven principal fallen angels in the astrology lore,,

    Yaldabaoth, called also Saklas and Samae
    Iao
    Sabbath
    Astaphanos, or Astaphaio
    Adonaios The Sun
    Elaios, or Ailoaios, or sometimes Ailoein
    Horaios The Moon

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon

  34. These seven fallen angels are also the seven heads of the dragon of Rev. 12 and 13.. Rev. 12 shows satan is that old serpent called satan and the devil….It says satan and his angels are cast out…this is the dragons and the seven heads…And this body of the serpent of Eden, satan and his angels are the same group that deceived the Adams..
    ASTROLOGY IS BADDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!

  35. Abigail., I used to read astrology when I was young..I had no idea of how very evil it is and its origins then..

  36. That was a very nice video you posted about the arc of the covenant

  37. http://www.thirdangelsmessage.com/thebeastanditsmark/
    That is the movie I wanted you to see Ruth.
    View that first and then if you wish we will discuss ‘astrology in the christian church.’
    And while we are on the subject we can discuss briefly what idolatry IS.

  38. Before I forget Ruth … there were eight persons saved in Noah’s time.
    4 couples. 4 branches and so forth … 4 races.
    White , Yellow, Red and Black.
    The same four rivers issued from the garden.
    And after the flood Noah lived 350 years.

    • abigail

      I just do not see that 4 races came out of Noah’s family. For one thing, he only had 3 sons. Japeth appears to have been white, Shem was semitic and maybe “yellow” if you use your imagination, and maybe Ham was black, but maybe he wasn’t, since there is no mention of black people in the land of Canaan when the Israelites arrived. Only one subset of Ham, the Ethiopians and Cushites were black. Maybe Hams’ wife was black and he was white, and only certain offspring came out “black.” (???)

      • Maybe … and maybe Noah had daughters?
        Or maybe Noah had more children after the blessing?
        But most definitely there are 4 races upon this globe.
        There are 4 elements … water, air, earth and fire.
        Water is the fluid yellow race.
        Air is the white race.
        Earth is the black race and fire is the red race.
        There are 4 corners to the earth… east, west, north and south.
        Maybe 3 races are patriarchal and one is matriarchal.
        The same position must be assumed when you look at the tribes of Israel.
        There are 12 patriarchal tribes and one matriarchal tribe.
        The seed from the woman.
        Woman do not produce seed??? right??? yet it is the seed from a woman which will crush the head of the serpent.
        We are told that seeds are from man.
        Eggs are from woman.
        Or is it???

        • Usually God only referred to male seed, since he was establishing a lineage through the men for the Messiah.

          But both men and women have seed. It is called DNA.. 🙂

  39. Here is a copy/paste excerpt from wikipedia
    Matrilineality in Judaism is the view that people born of a Jewish mother are themselves Jewish. [10]. The conferring of Jewish status through matrilineality is not stated explicitly in the Torah, though Jewish oral tradition maintains this was always the rule, and adduces indirect textual evidence. In biblical times, many Israelites married foreign women, and their children appear to have been accepted as Israelite without question; the Talmud understands that the women in question converted to Judaism.

  40. The Mishnah (Kiddushin 3:12) states that, to be a Jew, one must be either the child of a Jewish mother or a convert to Judaism. The Talmud (Kiddushin 68b) derives this law from the Torah. The relevant Torah passage (Deut. 7:3-4) reads: “Thy daughter thou shalt not give to his son, nor shalt thou take his daughter to thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods.”

  41. Hi ruth
    I hear your point of blessed sex and bad sex.
    You keep missing the point though, yes, go and multiply as in of all the trees you may eat except one.
    So yes, you may have sex with all trees except one.
    So now the question is, does scripture back up that this satanic sex with these trees were with beasts, homosexuality, child molestation, adultery, polygamy, etc..
    The answer is then what does the scripture tell us about trees, which above description do trees fit? If you reread this post you can clearly see that ” trees” are nations. Unless you can show me scripture showing otherwise there is nothing else trees symbolise, but nations of people.
    Yes, and there was need for only one commandment at the time ” stay away from the tree of knowledge”
    Yes, Adam and Eve only knew good as they walked with God but we can see that Satan’s tree knew good and evil but as we know Satan chooses evil. Once Adam and Eve partook of this tree, they now knew good and Evil, innocence gone! just as a child, they know only good until they grow up and partake in the world, then they learn both and choose.

    I agree with you that the truth is simple, how much more simpler can it be than this. Satan has kept us busy thinking ” sci-fi ” stuff when in fact it is black and white right in front of us.
    It also has to be a sin that we deal with everyday in front of us in this world in this time, through all the ages, as this sin has a death penalty attached to it.
    We need to pray for the Lord to open our eyes and look at the world around us and see what is world pushing on us, what are the most controversial topics of the day ? What will get us persecuted for his name’s sake ?
    Being a regular Christin ? No !
    We are in the last days, the apostacy is in all our churches, what will get us kicked out of those churches?

    Remember ” logos” friends.
    Blessings

  42. Hi Abigail
    nice “red hand ” story.

    Let’s look at Noah, why was he spared ?
    Gen 6.9 Noah was a just man and pure in his generations and he walked with God as Adam did.
    Well, there was still only one law at the time, stay away from THAT tree. So he did not partake of THAT tree
    ” He was pure in his generations”
    Another clue to what that sin could have been, he did not have offspring with THAT tree as Cain did.

    So his sons must have also been from the other ” good” trees.

    Gen 5;1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
    ( the singular guy mate of Eve)
    2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
    ( Plural people, before Eve was created, the other trees)
    I know you’ll see this Abigail. two creations from God a singular and a plural, two instructions.
    Adam singular in the garden, Adams plural Go and multiply so long.
    Click on links below for whole study on the ” others”

    http://bibleuncovered.co.za/our-studies/other-people-in-eden.html

    http://bibleuncovered.co.za/our-studies/old-testament-gentiles.html

    Blessings

    • Bee,
      I know that the links you’ve provided are from your website.
      Good job and congratulations.

      Maybe these verses here explains further …
      1Cr 15:45
       
      And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit

      1Cr 15:46
       
      Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

      1Cr 15:47
       
      The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.

      1Cr 15:48
       
      As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly.

      1Cr 15:49
       
      And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

      As night precedes the dawn and the darkness before daybreak.

      The nations received their inheritance,
      Deu 32:8
      When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

      Something to revue.

  43. What I find amazing is this.The very tree that would have given eternal life and blessing to Adam and Eve, they were not drawn too!God made no mention that they could not eat from the tree of life! Rather they were more interested in the one tree that they couldn’t have. The one that was forbidden.Nothing much has changed with the enticement of sin throughout history eh?
    Because of their choice and actions, the tree of life ended up being something they had to be protected from and cast away from!…How sad is that?

    • Glen

      Humans/Adams are naturally drawn to what is most appealing or pleasant to them. The Tree of Life incorporated REBUKE as part of how it operated. This caused Adam/humans to instead be enticed by the forbidden knowledge tree of good and evil because it was a tree whose laws said “ANYTHING GOES.” Therefore, the evil tree was more appealing because there was no rebuke, which was hard to swallow or admit and adhere to — and because of no rebuke the evil tree made things easier which appealed to the lazy nature of man/Adam. The tree was PLEASANT TO THE SIGHT.

  44. Astrology can’t help but be popular!
    It gives the masses what they want by the bucketful!
    People love hearing stuff about themselves, and having their ego fed, with luscious spoonfuls of expectations.
    I find it amazing that adults can believe that their destiny and daily routines are affected and governed by the position of celestial bodies!
    It is really no different than people believing that gods of wood and stone can hear and answer prayers!

    • The three wise men were astrologers

      • hi cornishevangelist

        There is a certain amount of truth to astrology, which is what draws people.

        Everything in life and creation has a pattern, which was meant to glorify God.

        But the devil, and people as well, have taken knowledge and perverted it, and turned knowledge into disinformation.

        Astrology is now distinguished from astronomy, to differentiate between speculation and fact.

        I am guessing that the 3 wise men were what we would have called astronomers today.

        In God’s design, he laid out the stars as a testimony of his plan for mankind, and they were aware of the promise of the Messiah.

  45. There is a great expectation in Israel at present, that their Messiah, is not too far away, from revealing himself!
    Unfortunately, the one they will receive with open arms, will have an agenda that is contrary to the will of God.
    This man will show himself, as having all the answers to their problems, and for a time, will be seen as an all conquering hero, on a global scale.
    Then the veil will come off, for all to see!

  46. Abigail….The remnant of the SEED OF THE WOMAN of Genesis 3-15 is identified in Rev 12-7..And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the REMNANT OF THE WOMAN’S SEED, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
    Jesus expounds the mystery of the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent in Matt 13-35 through 39…Jesus speaks of the mystery sealed from the foundation of the world which mystery is gen 3-15, also Genesis 1-26)…According to his explanation THESE SEEDS of Genesis 3-15 are the children of the kingdom and the children of the wicked one.. Jesus sowed the good seed and the wicked one sowed the lying seed….Revelations 12-7 shows clearly that satan and his angels make war with the remnant of the woman’s seed…That war starts in Rev 13…

    Luke 8-11..Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.Jesus sows the good seed (gospel) and we in turn are remade into the likeness and image of god (Born again of the word of god)….satan sows the lying seed (koran) and in turn men are transformed into children of satan..Matthew 23-15.. proseltyizing makes men into children of hell…

    We are eyeball deep in that prophesied war of Gensis 3-15..That war is very much about who the real god of abrham is and which gospel is the word of god.. Jesus or mohammeds..

  47. Adam was created in the image and likeness of god…Gensis 1-27, But god foreknew the ending from the beginning so he inserted the prophecy of Genesis 1-26…And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    Notice.. God said let us MAKE.. He did not say CREATE..MAKING AND CREATING ARE TWO SEPERATE OPERATIONS.. GOD ACTUALLY DID create MAN… Genesis 1-27 says it and Genesis 2 shows it…But God foreknew that Adam would soon fall and lose his godly image and become like satan..and he did…Another very misunderstood story..Genesis 3-22 shows that Adam became like the one who gave him the knowledge of what is good and what is evil…He became like satan in his evaluation of good and evil..
    Jesus shows us that proseltyizing is what changes men into children of satan..IT is safe to say satan proseltyized to the Adams…
    The evil satan tree is identified as wisdom in Genesis 3 -7…The tree of life is identified as bieng GOD’S WISDOM in Proverbs 3 -13 through 19..Eating of these trees produces likewise seed,, hense the children of god or the children of satan..
    Adam ate of satan’s wisdom and in the process lost god’s likenss and spirit for himself and consequently all of his descendants… THIS IS THE REASON A MAN MUST BE REMADE in the image of God.. It is called born again..It is accomplised with the word of God…Satan does likewise with koran.. hense” let Us make man in our image..

    Genesis 3-15 about the TWO SEEDS..The seed God produces via the WORD OF GOD and the seed of the serpent produced by koran,,,maybe other false gospels also..

  48. Bee. I just don’t know all about trees…I too think in some instances trees mean men,,, but the following verses seem in indicate otherwise.. and i just don’t understand it yet..
    Mark 8-23-25..
    And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought
    And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
    After that he put [his] hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

    Do you know what Jesus is saying to us in the above verses.. I sure do not..

    • I see men as trees walking means the blind man finally had eyes to see that the Tree of Life is Jesus and the Tree of knowledge of good and evis is Satin himself … then…his eyesight was restored and he saw mankind clearly
      Carolyn Jackson

  49. I do have an idea .. It might be far out….and it is just my opinion, not a revelation..
    I think the tree of life is representive of the olive tree…
    psalms 52-8..But I [am] like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.
    And I think the tree of knowledge of good and evil tree is reresentative of the fig tree…Did’t Eve cover herself with fig leaves…Did not Jesus also curse the fig tree
    Matt 24-32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:
    Mark 11-13..And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not [yet].
    I think the time of the figs is when the same deception of gensis 3 is brought back.. 2 corinthinans 11-3,4,14 THIS IS ISLAM..
    BUT LIKE I SAID,,I do not know.. this is just an idea.
    Also remember the two OLIVE TREES that stands beside the God of the earth.. of Rev 11(during the TIME OF THE FIGS)

    As Jesus said , go and learn THE PARABLE OF THE FIG TREE..it is therfore a sealed mystery and must be revealed.. I am still waiting to learn what it is..

  50. And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought
    And he looked up, and said, I see MEN AS TREES, walking.
    After that he put [his] hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

    I wonder if the healing of this blind man who saw men as trees WAS A GNOSTIC. I found this info. about men or women being TREES in gnostic book on the origin of the world..
    Then Eve, being a force, laughed at their decision. She put mist into their eyes and secretly left her likeness with Adam. She entered the tree of knowledge and remained there. And they pursued her, and she revealed to them that she had gone into the tree and BECOME A TREE. Then, entering a great state of fear, the blind creatures fled
    GNOSTICISM IS DOCTRINES OF DEMONS…
    I am not trying to say the Bible could not refer to tree as men or nations, it could.. But if the blind man was a gnostic it would explain how a total healing caused him to see men as men..and not gnostic beliefs.
    Again I must admit.. I do not know,, just musing..

  51. I am so angry at what happened at FORT HOOD I could chew nails. satan Islam strikes again

  52. Hasan was a muslim…All muslim arw brainwahsed with the same book.. the koran.. It is a doctrine of demons..
    The koran has a lot of astrology and gnostic beliefs , not to mention the human sacrifice they do daily..Islam is not of god/ and allah is not the god of abrham.. evil prevails when god men remain silent..

  53. IT IS OUR AMERICA that is slipping away from us..

  54. Hi Ruth.
    Re;I see men as trees.
    For me, and I’m sure it goes much deeper than this, that was the scripture that gave me a clue to the symbolic meaning of trees.
    After I came across that scripture I looked up all he ” tree” in the Bible and saw the pattern develop that ” men” were symbolised at trees. If he was a gnostic I do not know, I think we will have to see if unbelievers were ever healed, or if people were only healed because of their faith? As study for someone to do?

    As for the parable of the fig tree, I seem to have found the correlating OT prophetic scripture for that Read Jeremiah 8 and or Joel 1. I think therein lies your clue. I don’t have my finger on the exact meaning of he fig tree yet either, as it does not give a specific nation this identity as do other trees.
    But off the back it seems to show Israel as a whole ??
    will have to a study

    Here is a part of my study on the Olive trees, which might help you and this correlates with the ” two witnesses ” Prophecy.

    Olive trees
    Hos 14;5 I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.
    6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree,

    God likens Israel to an olive tree, therefore they are one of the olive trees.

    Romans 11;
    11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. ……………….
    17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

    The gentiles are the other (wild) olive tree. The olive trees supply oil which is symbolic of the Holy Spirit and His anointing.
    The word witnesses comes from the Greek word, martus, meaning Martyr(s) Therefore these witnesses will be martyrs within the believing Israelite and Gentile nations.

    The two olive trees are therefore many believing Israelites and Gentiles.

    http://bibleuncovered.co.za/our-studies/the-two-witnesses.html

    The tree of life I agree is knowledge and wisdom as said in Proverbs and this goes back to the law In Proverbs 3.
    Tree of life also symbolise;
    righteousness Prov 11;30
    Wholesome tounge Prov 15;4

    Prov 13;12 Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.
    13 Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.

    Please note above the Word says ” feareth THE commandment” singular command, probably referring to the original ” do not eat from……” command.

    Ruth, one thing i have noticed with these doctrines of demons is that they are so close to the truth. I say, Satan takes it of just one degree, close enough not to be too obvious. But one degree here is how far out there ?
    If he cam from the complete opposite direction it would be too easy to recognise, Oh how subtle Satan is.

    Blessings

  55. Hate to be a party pooper but the fallen angels perverted the science of astronomy and presto invented astrology… and god forbade it throughout the bible.
    ENOCH 80
    7 And the whole order of the stars shall be concealed from the sinners, And the thoughts of those on the earth shall err concerning them, And they shall be altered from all their ways, Yea, they shall err and take them to be gods.

    8 And evil shall be multiplied upon them, And punishment shall come upon them So as to destroy all.

    Enoch 8

    Barâqîjâl, (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Ezêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, 〈Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun〉, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

    Astrology worship was one of the reasons god flooded the earth..

    Astrology was satan’s version of the creation…
    He caused men to look up ans see the sun, moon and stars and to worship their host/..deut4-19…this great world wide deception is called the foundation of the earth.

  56. oops error. in above post last sentence… the foundation of the earth is god’s handiwork.. the foundation of the WORLD is satan’s counterfeit of the creation…Astrology lore is satan’s verions of creation… God tried to show us in Deut 4-19..And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven..
    The fallen angel baraqiel taught men astrology.. As Deut4-19 implies baraqiel’s words must have caused men to look up at the magnificant creation of the heavens and then of course Baraqiel taught them of the pagan gods and goddesses that is astrology lore.. This would be satan’s version of the creation.. It is properly called the foundation of the WORLD… because this lie of astrology changed everthing and mankind was plunged into a delsuional existence of pagan gods and goddesses and curses, divinations, tara, etc.etc.etc. Every single civilization ever to exist on earth worshipped the astrology gods and goddesses..until God called Abraham out of it..

    Proverbs 3-19..The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
    Genesis 3…satan by his wisdom tree founded the delusional WORLD
    via astrology lore and with astrology lore claimed he established the heavens..
    This astrology worship is still prevalent today, but satan again counterfeited God’s works with Abrham, and so he monotheised his astrology lie with claims that the sun god was the only god..
    And, after Jesus, satan went a little farther and counterfeited Jesus and the gospel and mohammed with his counterfeit gospel chose the astrology moon god allah (alias sin the moon god) as the only god..
    This FOUNDION OF THE WROLD IS WHAT IS ENDING…The truth is erasing
    it….The earth will stand forever, only the world foundation will be destroyed..

  57. Marianne,

    Could “magic” mushrooms (psilocybe/amantia type) and other psychedelics be really tree of knowledge of good and evil?

    • hi gavriel

      Maybe………they look like small trees, and they wake up the mind and make it open to evil, but they are really fungi, growing close to the ground. But then, this post is suggesting a symbolic interpretation of the word “tree.”

      • This is interesting, follow the link:

        Adam & Eve fresco 1291 AD, Plaincourault Abbey, Indre, France.
        The Tree of Wisdom stylized as Amanita muscaria
        Notice Adam & Eve hideing their nakedness with
        Amanita muscaria mushroom cap shaped disks

        http://www.ambrosiasociety.org/the_fruit_of_the_tree_of_life.html

        • Also verse in Genesis 1:11. And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, seed yielding herbs and fruit trees producing fruit according to its kind in which its seed is found, on the earth,” and it was so.

          Rashi interprets it as follows:
          That the taste of the tree should be like the taste of the fruit. It [the earth] did not do so, however, but“the earth gave forth, etc., trees producing fruit,” but the trees themselves were not fruit. Therefore, when man was cursed because of his iniquity, it [the earth] too was punished for its iniquity;

          So, originally the trees were supposed to be like mushrooms,
          because they are fruit and tree at the same time…

          • following this line of thought, the “tree of life” was a mushroom also….

            • I heard interpretation that “tree of life” and
              “tree of knowledge” were one and the same, it was
              meant to be eaten on Sabbath day – by then it woul
              be “tree of life”, Adam had 6 more hours left until
              Sabbath and when he ate it it was “tree of knowledge”
              and therefore “tree of death”, just like Israelites,
              who had only six hours left until Moses came back,
              but they didn’t listen and turned into devil worship and host of heaven worship.

  58. Wow Gavriel, now I have heard it all

  59. The tree of life is said to be God’s wisdom in Proverbs 3-18,19…
    The tree of knowledge of good good and evil is said to be WISDOM also…Gen. 3-7.., but it is satan’s wisdom, not god’s wisdom…
    Man became like satan in understanding good and evil after he ate of satan’s wisdom tree.. Genesis 3-22 says it..
    Cain offered god the FRUIT OF THE GROUND.. This would have been the fruit of the bad tree…and this is why God did not accept it…
    Man was exiled from the Garden of Eden but I am sure the wisdom Adam and Eve learned from the serpent was still with them…

    It is so simple.. maybe that is why it is so misunderstood…

  60. Our Lord, Jesus Christ, speaks of beleivers who were not tested by “deep things of Satan” and therefore easily sets them free. So, this means that there are beleivers who were actually tested by “deep things of Satan” – which is none other than knowledge of sorcery attained by psylocybe mushrooms, lsd and other psychedelics…

    “But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them– I place no other burden on you.” Revelation 2:24

    • what does your first sentence mean? believers NOT tested and easily set free

      • Jesus says to beleivers in Thyatira “I place no other burden on you”, which I think means that they are not tested any further and set free (from the burder)…because they were not exposed to the dark side (“deep things of Satan”)…

        • so you are saying the believers had been taking drugs? and since they had been taking drugs, and got tested, that he will not burden them with a test?

          ?????

          • Marianne,

            I will not touch this topic here anymore, I will answer
            you personally for certain reasons.

          • Marianne,

            you are saying the opposite of what I said.

            i’m talking about beleivers who were exposed to dark power
            of whitchcraft. Jesus speaks of beleivers who were NOT
            exposed to it.

  61. comedy hour????lol

    • Yes it is funny ,
      Since the vatican announcement at evening last night I am starting to believe that every one has lost their mind.
      LOL
      It is blasphemous to compare the Tree of Life to a mushroom.

      • Abigail, I though that one can only blaspheme God! Such accusations are not proper for Christians, even if you don’t like my interpretation.

        • No intention to accuse you … Nor by Heaven for it is The Throne of God …
          And I don’t find a Scripture to back up your words ‘ Such accusations are not proper for Christians’.
          Nor by the temple … nor by the things therein.
          But if you are just joking … then it is between you and God.
          But if you are trying to make me ‘believe’ that The Tree of Life is a mushroom then I’ve alredy answered you.
          It is blasphemous to compare The Tree of Life to a mushroom.
          And this is my comment to you.

          • Abigail,

            I base my theory on Rashi’s opinion on Genesis 1:11,
            that the trees in Garden of Eden were supposed to taste
            as their fruits acc. to God’s comment.

            So, nature in Garden of Eden, differed from what we might imagine.

            Rashi was great Torah Scholar of 10th century and I don’t think he could blaspheme scriptures.

        • I do not think you can blaspheme a mushroom, or a tree.

          Trees in this post are treated as symbols, but can also be actual trees, or plants.

  62. Abigail, what announcement from the vatican.. I missed that..

  63. Thanks abigail..

    • Actually just type in these words into your search bar and you will find pages upon pages of this news.
      Here are the international words to search for ‘vatican looks to the heavens for signs of ALIEN life.’ E.T. phone Rome.

  64. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

    Nothing about taste in this verse.. It is about fruit yielding fruit after it’s kind.. About like how Adam became like the one who taught him good and evil… He became like satan in understanding what is good and what is evil.. genesis 3-22…
    I do not know who RASHI is or was but I do know the bible is being revealed like never before in history.. Maybe Rashi lived in the wrong time.

    Cain offered god the FRUIT OF THE EARTH..I am pretty sure it was the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil..satan’s wisdom.. and remember satan has always deceived men into thinking he is god..

    • I think the good fruit of the earth is laughter.
      And it must be reaping time because I sure have a belly full of laughter.
      So now let all the trees clap their hands.
      And the mushrooms too.

    • This is the difference between one studying scriptures in hebrew and one studying it in translation.

      Verse 1:11 in Genesis says: “etz pri – oseh pri” (fruit trees – producing fruit);
      Verse 1:12 says “etz – oseh pri” (trees – producing fruit);

      Thus, scripture makes distinction between “fruit trees” and simply trees.

      • Gavriel
        I think we are going backwards.
        ” Temul means “in front” while mahher means “behind” And therefore in Hebraic thought the past is in front of you and the future is behind you. ‘
        Agrees with the inherent DNA.

      • Hebrew is holy.
        English is more like those who speaks it.
        And basically all current gentile mish mush.
        One day they will sit at your feet and ask to learn.

        • But then how could that happen ??
          They believe that one day they will sit at your table and asked to be served.

  65. Gavriel.. do you know that all ancient languages, greek, aramaic, abrabic and hebrew, etc are all from the tower of babel. and are insufficient or corrupt… and that God promised to send man a pure language
    Zeph 3-9…For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

    A language whereby men can call on God’s name.. A language with vowels and punctuations..A language when the nations are gathered together.. as verse 8 says.. That would have to be after American was settled….

  66. Abigail .. read Zeph 3 -8,9 and you tell me what langugage it is..Verse 8 says this langauge comes when the nations are gathered so it would have to be after 1400 a.d. after America was discovered..

  67. The old testament was written in Hebrew, but that was a long time AFTER THE TOWER OF BABEL…According to linguists the original language spoken by adam and eve is unknown
    And that is all I know about it…except for one more thing.. I have read that english is made up of all known languages..

    • I also have read somewhere that english was the language spoken in the garden.
      Ancient language does not necessarily mean old.
      What is english was the language of the garden?
      There is nothing new in the earth.
      So why not?
      Read what I wrote to Gavriel.
      Maybe you will understand that we are walking backwards.

  68. How are you today mariaane… you seemn pretty quiet

  69. Rashi is an ancient hebrew scholar.

    The pure language which was restored after all nations were gathered (back to Israel) occurred after 1948. The hebrew language was revived. During the diaspora, the language was lost for a long time in many or most areas.

    English comes from latin.

    regarding:

    So now let all the trees clap their hands.
    And the mushrooms too.

    Mushrooms have gills, not hands. 🙂

  70. Mariaane would god not have said RESTORED if the pure language was Hebrew..???Also
    I am assuming the name jehovah is still yhvh in hebrew… and unpronouncable ..which would seem to contridict the scripture.
    If hebrew was the original language spoken I assume it also suffered at the tower of bable …I am sure I do not know, but the verses does say..For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
    Which indicates it will be for ALL PEOPLES, not just jews..

    • hi ruth

      That is just my view. Since the Jews would be scattered to all nations and lose their language, it seems like that is a known language (Hebrew) that was lost, during the diaspora, and would be restored. This has actually happened.

      There could have been another language at Babel, the original language from Eden, but there is no way to know for sure what that one was. I am guessing that all languages came from that one. English is an international language due to commerce, not due to an action by God.

      If english was the Eden language, that would be interesting, and easy for me, and I would not have to study any new languages, since I know that one. 🙂

  71. Gavriel might have a point. It seems like since very early times, man has known about the mushrooms and the drug effect they provide. So when did they first get introduced to it?

    Visions from Magic Mushrooms seem to be a substitute for a real experience with God.

    • I think Gavriel has a good point in view of DNA.
      Mushrooms are fungi and this is used in genetical research.
      Now if one looks at the tree of life as the helix of two peas in a pod type deal, then
      I can see why the Rabbi referred to fungi as a base for study.
      I do not think that ‘the magic mushroom’ was implied, although we know that it might have been used in research.
      Anyways there is a series on the tube entitled ‘understanding the book of Life
      (1/3) Cracking the code episode 7’ that some may be interested in viewing.
      I don’t think I could have transfered the link to this forum.
      But education is validated by students.

      • Marianne ,
        I hope I am not breaking the law by offering that info. If you think that I am please delete the above comment.
        Thank you
        But then if they didn’t want people to know, why have it posted on the tube? Make it very public knowledge by having it there don’t you think?
        You be the judge of this matter.

        • I don’t know what you mean by breaking the law. Something is either public information or not.

          If someone puts a series on youtube, then it is public information, whether or not they put a warning on it. If they want exclusive rights for viewing, then they should put the info in a book and sell it.

          From what I see so far on youtube, there is nothing secret or proprietary about the genetic code. This has all been published in scientific papers.

  72. Hebrew was preserved by the prophets of old – all the way from Adam to Noah to Abraham (who lived during tower of babel) and even if suppose it got corrupted during that time, Moses didn’t rely on tradition when he wrote Torah in hebrew, rather he received it directly from God.

    BTW, it’s not a coincidence that magic mushrooms originally grow in the dung of coWs…

  73. Good attitude marianne,
    Mariaane, I am sure i do not know about langauges, but I have always thought there was only one language on earth prior the tower of babel.. I think maybe the Bible says this… If it was Hebrew it would have become corrupt at the tower since it would have been the sole language.. If Hebrew was not the original language then hebrew is one of the corrupted languages from the tower,…So It would seem to me that anyway you go Hebrew was corrupted…But I do not know and am willing to learn..

    • God speaks in the cloven tongue…which means everyone hears HIS words clearly in their own language. Tongues is not gibberish…read Joel…in the end times the sons and daughters will speak in the cloven tongue when they are delivered up to the synagogues of Satan and the Holy Spirit speaks through them to preach the gospel to the nations. To forbid the Holy Spirit to speak through you at this time would be the unforgivable sin. Only God’s elect will be delivered up to the synagogues of Satan. Take no thought what you will say…do not premeditate…for the Holy Spirit will speak through you.
      Carolyn Jackson

  74. Please,tell me why you refer to the Jewish propaganda scribble as “holy”?What is holy about this ridiculous collection of tales,lies,falshoods and vainglorious,bloodthisrsty boasting of the invincibility of “israel”? It is all such pure,bloody nonsense and that you people still adhere to the so-called teaching to be found therein is incredible.You really should find yourselves a real occupation!

  75. Maybe Gavriel and the rabbi are/were trying to say the fruit of the tree of knowledge made them delusional like one who is on drugs.. and that would be correct.. The Adams were plunged into a delusional world of satan’s interpretation of what is good and what is evil. about like today’s politically correctness today..

  76. So Foster, are you one of those peaceful muslims that have been slaughtering innocents for 1400 years…
    one of those who believe the angel of light’s gospel

  77. Why can’t we just keep it simple? If God wanted us to know all this, He would have said it plainly. It is possible that it was a literal tree and literal fruit. “Of the trees of the garden you may freely eat” – are you implying that they were allowed to commit adultery? If they weren’t, then how do we know Eve was the first woman on earth? It’s all very confusing, I say we keep it simple. ecclesiastes 7:29

    • hi Talaso

      I agree that simplicity is best. Some people like to dig deep and come up with “deep symbolic meanings” It is part of the fun of studying the Word of God.

  78. The left side of man is his earthly side, all things pertaining to the flesh will be located here, but on his right side all things pertaining to the Spirit shall be found here, so it is with all that YHWH has made yes even tree’s have a spiritual side ahd earthly side.

    • cornishevangelist

      Maybe the garden of Eden was a spiritual state, instead of a physical place. There were 2 trees or sides to Adam. Holiness and sin, and Adam chose sin.

  79. Scrolls, rolls and books are made from trees.. Maybe the two trees in the midst of the garden represented books, i.e. the book of life-the bible, and the bad tree represented the koran..Maybe the story in the Garden was of prophecy…God did say ” I have declared the end from the beginning…
    But whatever the tree represented did indeed cause Adam to be two people..I am sure the lies closed part of his mind to truth and to god’s leading…I am also sure the wisdom tree of satan caused Adam’s descendants to become liars and killers as evidenced by Cain..I am also ure the koran does likewise….

  80. (Maybe the garden of Eden was a spiritual state, instead of a physical place) Marianne, No this is not right Eden was physical and spiritual, the spiritual still exist in Heaven. Faith is simple many stumble over it. God Bless.

  81. I am quite shocked, at a lot of the resposes set down in this forum!
    Also the political agenda is beginning to overshadow the main topic.
    Can I suggest to ALL contributers, to PLEASE open up your Bibles and read CAREFULLY Genesis Chapter 2 slowly and prayfully.
    The trees that were planted by the Lord God were REAL trees!
    They were not symbolic of anything, they were not Spiritual,except in their implications and consequences. They were visible touchable trees!(Genesis 2:9) The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was pleasing to the eye and good for food.Adam and Eve were vegetarian at this stage of their lives.
    Genesis 3:6 states, “When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and ALSO desirable for gaining wisdom, she took and ate of it, and gave some also to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it”
    The first deception of Satan,was to get them to focus on that tree, and NOT the tree of life, which he successfully did!
    There was only one way into Eden, and one way out, so it was a garden that was enclosed by very high mountains, north, south and west.The very tree that held promise, (the tree of life) ended up being something they had to be protected from, lest they eat of it and live forever in their sin! (how horrible)
    Moses records that Cherubim were placed at the east side of the garden, after Adam and Eve had been driven out.He also records that something that looked like a flaming sword flashed back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
    If you stand a sword up in the vertical position, guess what it looks like?……………..A Cross.
    Jesus is the only way back from a broken relationship with God the Father, so that we can enter life by the one and only way!

    • Hi Glenn,

      I think most here believe that there were real trees in Eden. The added meanings are more symbolic, and above and beyond the obvious, literal meaning.

  82. I think the tree of Life is a woman. 🙂

  83. (They were not symbolic of anything, they were not Spiritual,except in their implications and consequences). Well contradition

  84. Dear Cornyevangelist.There is no contradiction, only a misconception on your part, and no amount of words are going to rectify that right?

  85. I wonder if this discussion is literal or symbolic, a contradiction, or a misconception.

    A tree is a tree. A symbol is a symbol. And a spirit is a spirit.

    They can all occur at the same time, together or independently.

    My 2 cents.

  86. GOD bless us all…..love u lord god jesus christ…….

  87. Both the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil were wisdom…The tree of life was God’s true wisdom…The tree of knowledge was satan’s version of wisdom…These tree can be likened to the two gospels on earth today..The Gospel of CHrist and the gospel of antichrist i.e. koran…

    The fruit of these trees would produce either men in the image of god or men in the image of satan …as is clearly shown by Adam’s condition in Genesis 3-22 after he ate of the knowledge tree… Adam became like satan , the one who had taught him his versions of god and evil……

    Matthew 13-35 through 40 explains the sealed mysteryies in Genesis… It is about the seed Jesus sows that produes God’s children and the seed satan sows to produce satan’s children… These seeds are identified as the word (wisdom) of God in Luke 8-11…The word of god is what transforms men inot god’s image or satan’s image..

    Genesis 1-11 says the fruit of the ground is the fruit of the trees.. This is what Cain offered to God… the fruit of the ground….it was satan’s version of wisdom…

    The hebrew root of the word serpent is divination and omens and signs.. This pertains to astrology… Astrology lore was satan’s version of the creation and the heavens and the gods… The entire world worshipped these pagan gods till God called Abraham out of this deception…

    Sex was the first blessing.. Satan’s version of sex was beastality, polygamy, child molesting, rape, homosexuals, etc..

    The truth is very simple.. why complicate it…

  88. proverbs 3-18 and chapter shows the tree of life is god’s wisdom…..
    Genesis 3-6 shows that the tree of knowledge was a tree to make on wise..
    .
    Satan promised to make her like god if she partook of his fruit….Alas he made her like himself… And Jesus showed us that satan was offering her what satan deemed wisdom from god..

    John 10-35…If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Is this not what Satan told Eve… you will be as gods if you eat my wisdom…

    psalms 82- 6.7….God said “I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High. This verse is in regard to the born again christians.. but alas the next verse says they will die like men.. I suspect it is because of This is what satan offered Eve…

  89. http://stevequayle.com/Giants/articles/why.giants.html

  90. http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DeafPreterist/noah.html

  91. http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/nachashnotes.pdf

  92. http://www.propheticrevelation.net/original_sin/the_serpent_seed_1.htm

  93. In the summer of 1987 my husband, my 3 sons and I moved to Wells, Texas in a house with big carport, while standing on it I saw a double rainbow . This being odd to me for I hadn’t seen a rainbow in years and never a double one, so it really caught my eye it was so beautiful, I knew it was a promise from God for He had told me that as He did Abraham He was giving us the land as far as we could see (spiritually speaking). We have labored hear for the Lord since seeing little change in our sons (2) nor the city. This is a very religious city with little hope of unity in the churches (7 in town of about 700 people). But when I think of the way God has protected our little town from tornadoes and hurricane which destroyed areas all around us I think of the double rainbow. I want you to know you blessed me with your testimony. This is only a small portion of ours. Please pray for Wells Christian Fellowship Church, My husband Frank and I as pastors, we need leadership wisdom. We have faced many obstacles and are facing them daily but trust God to save the lost. Your Sister in Christ, Jessie Doucette

  94. Thank you so much for responding and for your prayers, seems we are going through a waiting period in our church but the spirit of God is so strong and everyone who comes to our monthly singings say they feel His presence too. What was so strange as I recall it had not rained that day. Then for a period of time as I washed my car I would see little rainbows from the water falling. We have seen some mighty miracles but I believe Jesus has only begun and we have much to learn. We firmly believe in signs and wonders. Those who are truly watching will see the hand of God in all things and events. Please pray for my 2 sons and call them by name, Lynn and John.Thanks again. Jessie

  95. this cannot be true about the sexual seed sin. it was not sex. God told them they can eat from all other trees! does that mean God told them them they can have sex with all other people? that doesn’t make sense.

  96. I think it seems that mariage is more of a fiscal device than a biblical tradition. I only ever found three references to what could be mariage or an inorguration on monogamy, but they were sketchy at best and not suggestive of the requirement of a singular bond. There is mention of couples being together for a long time however; I imagine given the location of these stories that women may have been collected ?

  97. This is really cool. Glad I found this posting as I was scrolling/looking for “The Last Pope” prophecy post.

    Thanks Marieanne.

    Now, back to da Pope news. So, this is da last Pope and the next man is either The False Prophet or the AC. 

    Did you hear? Obama goes to Israel the day after winter and before Sabbath (March 20-21).

    $100 says the Ark of the Covenant is brought forth in the next 45 days.

    Blessings
    Rev. 12:11

    • if the ark appeared, that would be significant

    • DJ
      peace,
      It Looks like everything is falling into place for you, and your theory. Just Take care and make sure that this is not the deception. I will be watching and commenting as well, now is not the time for silence or for that matter, animosity. I know that I was harsh on you, but I had to (You may not understand this yet). Just keep what I have said to you in the back of your mind (leave room for it). I have no hard feelings towards you, And I trust as a brother in Christ you share the same sentiment.

      1 Corinthians 14: 29-30, 2 corinthians 10:1-6

      BTW, Did you know Netanyahu drew a red line on that date as well, and Michael Bolton (former UN ambassodor, not the singer) confirmed it on Fox news as well. So trust me “they” know as well.The proverbial “they”.

      Exodus 12:3 is another confirmation pointing to this day.

      Take care, The chess Game is afoot. God Has that one pawn that becomes a queen that the forces of evil have not accounted for in their stategy.
      God bless.

      P.S.The prophecy blogs should be buzzing now, with the resignation of the Pope.

      • who is the queen?

      • dru,

        Blessings to you, peace and JOY in the Spirit.

        Oh, ya. Between now and Passover many bibles will be opened for the first time (foolish virgins), seeking answers and trying to find oil. Pray that the light of Heaven falls upon them, dispelling darkness, opening their eyes and hearts to the Way, the Truth and the Life.

        http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon85.htm

        • Another fact: Picking a new Pope begins 21 days after the death of the Old pope. Feb. 28th being the last day of the month, places this right there March 21st/22nd.

          • dru
            this time we can skip the mourn time because the Pope is not dead so they will probably choose one before 22 march.

            • I read this morning that they can’t. Or because pope doesn’t usually retire, they are unsure of the proper protocol?

        • Quote from the aforementioned article…

          Before he died in 1878, Pope Pius IX uttered these words: “There will come a great wonder, which will fill the world with astonishment. This wonder will be preceded by the triumph of revolution. The Church will suffer exceedingly. Her servants and chieftains will be mocked, scourged, and martyred.” Prior to his prophecy, the Ecstatic of Tours uttered these prophetic words: “Before the war breaks out, food will become scarce and expensive. There will be little work for the workers, and fathers will hear their children crying for food. There will be earthquakes and signs in the sun. Toward the end, darkness will cover the Earth. When everyone believes that peace is ensured, when everyone least expects it, the Great Happening will begin.”

          This is the part of the article that stood out to me. Especially the Quote by the Ecstatic of Tours….Then “the Great Happening will begin”

          If pope 111 is Benedict, will they even pick # 112 before the events spiral out of control?

  98. The serpent told Eve she would be as gods if she ate of his wisdom tree…. Jesus said, “If he called hem gods unto whom the word of god came… This shows that satan’s wisdom the tree were wisdom.. The tree of life was God’s wisdom…The oher tree was satan’s version of God’s wisdom…These two tree are comarable to the Gospel of Chist and the koran godspel of antichrist..
    Satan counterfeit God’s works in Genesis and continues to do so..For instance, mohammed was a counterfeit of messiah Jesus

  99. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/pope-benedict-xvi-resignation-lead-black-pope-article-1.1260928

  100. Marianne,
    Can you make a post on the next pope, and the st Malachy prophecies. Just so that we do not go on postings not related to the subject? Your probably working on it already, but Just thought I would ask.

  101. John 2-22, 23.. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
    These verses positively eliminates the Catholic church and pope as being antichrist…. They positively do qualify Islam, Mohammed, Koran and Muslims as being the antichrist spirit…WAKE UP CHILDREN!!!!!

    • I think most here see the pope as the false prophet, not the Antichrist. Not to put words in people’s mouths. I am not 100% certain on this either?

  102. dru
    to see the difference between an false and one real prophet is that a prophet can say something unique about future and it happens. st malachy is one of them. you quoted pius IX. st malachy had his vision in Rome and Pius IX was a Pope so if you want to see the truth the false prophet is not from Rome a false prophet is a muslim. they love to persecute jews and Christians. People who says the pope is the false prophet denies the Bible and the truth.

  103. Jeremiah 14-14,15,16 tells us what false propets are…
    The beast of Revelatin 13 is satan’s kingdom..It is counterfeit of God’s kingdom…The seven headed dragon is counterfeit of God’s spirit…This is allah… The first beast is satan’s messia aka moammed… The earth beast,probably designated as earth showing these are flesh-men, and not the fallen angels….. The image of the beast is satan’s counterfeit of Christians who are remade in the image of God through rebirth….

    The false prophets of this chapter are the muslims who teach he the koran are words of god…These false prophets command fire to come down from heaven and thereby make an image of the beast… this is the fire baptism of Matthew 3-9,10, reserved for tares…

    God himself prophecied of TWO DIFFERENT IMAGES in Genesis 1-26… He foreknew man would be remade in the image of God and in the image of the satan beast…The Bible also shows us that these two images are remade by the Gospel of Jesus and the gospel of antichrist.. i.e. koran..Matthew 13-38, 38, 40…

    • good point…I had not thought of that…..just as the holy spirit is represented by the 7 spirits of God, wisdom, knowledge, charity, etc, the dragon has 7 heads, to mimic what God has done.

  104. deu 18:22 and Isa 41:23 tells us what a prophet is.

  105. Whether or not the rivers represent the races or if they are the main rivers upon which the first civlizations ran, I believe firmly that all races are created equal and that each and every race of man is to be called “Children of God.”

    I don’t know the exact location of Eden, but most folks say it was like something like either Ethiopia or Turkey or some place like that.

    I agree that the tree represents the “gnosis.” I think that mankind is not supposed to be able to properly handle the power or the ways of the spirit realms. This is why it is dangerous to be wiccan or to be a Mason. And this is not to say that in some ways that mankind cannot improve, but because of the Origin of Sin, I believe that thinking that mankind will “evolve” is very dangerous indeed.

    I am sure that as time goes on, there are people who will be *intelligent* enough to understand parts of the “gnosis” or we get the (unintended evils of) Edgar Cayce and the like and these people think that they are doing something good when in fact it is something evil.

    Having come from a humanistic and almost atheistic background, I can tell you that it is very easy to succomb to New Age thinking, Esoteric texts and philosophies. Coming from intellectuals, I can also tell you that Satan can often fool the *humanist Intellectual* into thinking that they are correct w hen they are not.

    As a new Christian, one has to come to full terms in understanding who Christ is. And, in coming to this understanding of Christ, or Jesus, one has to really struggle. This is like the butterfly in the cocoon. One cannot just cut the cocoon open-the caterpillar has to struggle. As a “CS LEwis” kind of gal, I see this. Satan “tried” to get Adam and Eve, whether figurative or literal, to take a “short-cut.” I can tell you from personali experience, that a relationship with Elohim/Jawheh and Christ does NOT come from an easy path.

    I must confess that I used to be dangerously “Pelegian” and I do apologize forthat. Augstine was correct in always pointing out Original Sin as something that we cannot escape from, no matter how hard we try. This is why Christ died on the Cross.

    I believe that any time you have a being made in the image of God, that generally means that He has an actual face, and perhaps that we are given reasonings that the animals don’t have, although we must realizel that Orgional Sin is always with us and we still have an animalistic part of us that we tryto fight through prayer, confession, worship and connection to God. Thisin combination with right conduct, is how we retain our humanity instead of allowing Satan to destroy us.

    And don’t always worry about people who seem opposite of you or who are of different faiths. God will use the tools necessary to turn those people around if you will just pray for those people.

    In Christ,

    CH

  106. And who is to say that there aren’t multiple levels of meaning in the text? After all this is the Word of God that we are speaking about.

  107. Wyatt..
    Matthew 19-5.,6.And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more TWAIN, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. TWAIN IS TWO NOT SIX, ETC..

    Polygamy is adultery and God said, Thou shall not commit adultery..

    Adam’s mindset which we all inherited thought men were as God and entitled to more than one wife… The woman was not even recognized as being in the image of god since God is male gender… Jesus corrected most of this prejudice..

    Titus 1-6.If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

  108. HI, I dont think people understand that the serpent was a creature that was changed into a snake by the curse that the Lord placed upon him, (on your belly you will go and eat dust all the days of your life). Before it was cursed….now think on this… it could talk, it could beguile, it was an animal..it was upright…. it was “gen 3:1 the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field, in other words it was the smartest of all the beasts, beast means animal, and cunning means intelligent, it was not the devil although it was possessed by the devil, satan is a spirit a spirit does not have a seed…. now the serpent had a seed…I beleive this animal was the closest creature to a human there could be but was 100 percent animal, notice how these scientists are all looking for the missing link…they wont find it ever, that creature that bridges the gap between man and animal is gone now, for the Lord Himself cursed it and changed into a vile creature, a snake that is not a spirit but a cold blooded poisonous reptile.
    , a horse will breed with a donkey and produce a mule, cain was a mule that was a murderer and a liar, no wonder God cursed the serpent and changed him into a snake… a known phallic symbol in occult practise, and no wonder they were kicked out of Eden, and the fall etc seeing that the human race was poisoned and hybridised by an animal seed, see the animal nature in mankind today. please check out the serpent seed teaching it makes total sense to me.

  109. This is false doctrine – leading people into unrighteousness. While I believe there were other people in the Garden of Eden, as derived from reading Ezekiel, there is no way the Heavenly Father told Adam and Eve to have intimate relations with all these other people. This goes against his commandments! He told them they could eat from the other trees but not from the “tree of knowledge of good and evil”. They were also to eat from “The Tree of Life”, which is the Holy Spirit, were they supposed to have sexual relations with her too?

    Though “fruit” in some verses mean fruit of the womb, this is not always so. When Yeshua (Jesus) said “by their fruits ye shall know them”, was he referring to the fruit of the womb or the spiritual fruits that we bear. This proves that fruit is not always of the womb but other things that come from us. Matthew 7:20

    The father was referring to the counsel of the ungodly “tree of knowledge of good and evil” when he told them not to eat of its fruit. Yes, Satan got the beast to beguile Eve into committing adultery, but the fruit that she ate was by heeding to his counsel.

    Proof: These verses are in reference to the Holy Spirit and proves that the fruit from the “tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil” was the “counsel of the ungodly”.
    Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold I will pour out my spirit unto you.
    Proverbs 3:18 She is a “TREE OF LIFE” to them that lay hold on her: and happy is everyone that retaineth her.
    Proverbs 8:14 “COUNSEL” is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding: I have strength.
    Proverbs 8:19, 20, 23, 29-31 My “FRUIT” is better than gold, yea, than fine gold…I lead in the way of righteousness… I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth…when he appointed the foundations of the earth. Then I was by Him…Rejoicing in the habitable part of the earth and my delight were with the sons of men. (read all verses 19-31)
    Proverbs 8:35,36 For whoso findeth me findeth “LIFE”, and shall obtain favor of the Lord. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all that hate me love “DEATH”. (Remember Yeshua said blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin.) Mark 3:29
    Proverbs 9:5 Come, “EAT” of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.

    What is the fruit of the Holy Spirit? Counsel of wisdom and understanding. The passages above prove that “fruit” and “eat” have other scriptural meaning, dealing with what our bodies spiritually produce and eat.
    This is why the Heavenly Father told the Adam and Eve to eat from “the Tree of Life” and the other trees because of their counsel, and the fruits they bore. But of the corrupt fallen being he told them not to eat/counsel with. This the same being/Satan in Ezekiel, where he was lifted up by the brightness of his beauty. Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God…Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, til iniquity was found in thee.

    Psalm 1:1,3 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the “COUNSEL OF THE UNGODLY”…and he shall be like “A TREE” planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his “FRUIT” in his season…

  110. PJ,

    Excellent reply/comment. Thank you for posting those verses from Proverbs. This was very helpful to me.

    Proverbs 1:23 – “Turn you at my reproof: behold I will pour out my spirit unto you.”

    You quoted Proverbs 3:18 as a reference to the Tree of Life.

    Here is that particular verse within chapter 3 of Proverbs:

    “Happy is the man who finds wisdom,
    And the man who gains understanding;
    For her proceeds are better than the profits of silver,
    And her gain than fine gold.
    She is more precious than rubies,
    And all the things you may desire cannot compare with her.

    Length of days is in her right hand,
    In her left hand riches and honor.
    Her ways are ways of pleasantness,
    And all her paths are peace.
    She is a tree of life to those who take hold of her,
    And happy are all who retain her” (Proverbs 3:13-18, NKJV).

    PJ,

    Here is what I found a few months ago, helping me comprehend the Spirit of Truth (John 16:13) as you identified as the Tree of Life (Proverbs 3:18).

    The 7 Spirits of a God:

    The Spirit of the Lord
    Wisdom
    Understanding
    Counsel
    Might
    Knowledge
    Fear of the Lord.

    “His delight is in the fear of the Lord…” (Isaiah 11:2-3, NKJV).

    Amen to your reference of Psalm 1:

    “Blessed is the man that walketh not in the “COUNSEL OF THE UNGODLY”…and he shall be like “A TREE” planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his “FRUIT” in his season…”

    You asked – What is the fruit of the Spirit?

    It is the manifestation of the Tree of Life (the fullness of the Spirit of God, Isaiah 11:2-3) within a Believer.

    “But if the Spirit of Him [God] who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He [God] who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit [Holy] who dwells in you” (Romans 8:11).

    “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him” (John 4:23).

    “And do not make the Holy Spirit sad [grieve/bring sorrow to the Holy Spirit].

    The Spirit is God’s proof that you belong to him and he will make you free when the final day comes […by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption]” (Ephesians 4:30, Expanded Translation).

    So this is my prayer and for you, me and other Believers found in Colossians 1:9-14, praying to be “filled” with the Spirit like “a tree planted by the rivers of waters” –

    “…we have continued praying…(ongoing, perpetual in prayer)… asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so as to walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to Him, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God.

    May you be strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for all endurance and patience with joy, giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light…(Colossians 1:9-14, ESV).

    Blessings to you!
    Psalm 20

  111. The first man of the Adama Kadmon “divine” type Not of minor creations….

  112. Interesting reading. My question is, are there any scripture reference regarding the sexually sin?

    • tracey

      you ask a vague question….

      yes there are sexual sins….

      or do you mean adam and eve had sex sin with snake?

    • Reading up on marriage seemed to only refer to people laying with one another. In those terms, depending on where you are from and complications with applying Christianity to any pre-existing regionalised tradition, it was seen as wrong to lay with another although I can’t remember any instance in which this was punishable for a man.
      In ancient Greece, or some part of it at least, “infidelity” was only seen as bad for a woman who is committed, to commit. This was for a very simple reason. The home was seen as a place which is enabled, grown and shaped by the people dwelling in that place. Requiring daily effort, containing achievement and the gains of labour or ability; the home might often be all you had – perhaps homes were a bit tribal in some respect. So the reason it were wrong for a woman to be infidel is because she could become pregnant and grant entry and benefit to another family / home lineage to all the profits, comforts and benefits of the homes labours – potentially for ever.
      Being of the Latin persuasion myself, I’m not sure of how that is relevant today, or if Latin origins are particularly relevant to my own origins. With all the trouble in Italy’s ancient past, I think any traditions must be relatively modern in comparison.

  113. OMG, I started out studying hell scriptures and came across Ezekiel 31:16, and I type in the question if trees represent nations and increased even more in the knowledge of God. Very powerful.

  114. Eve ate or partook of the seed bearing fruit that satan offered and got Cain from him. Then became impregnated from Adam thus having twins from two different seeds, something rare but not impossible. After, true to his progenitor’s way, Cain murdered Abel Yah in His mercy gave Adam and Eve Seth, from whom the Adamic line continued. Cain is not included in Adam’s genealogy because he does not form part of it as he is the seed of satan.

  115. Blessing thank you for Shareing
    Praying on decerment
    Wisdom Knowledge
    Thank You

  116. All these videos and hypothesis. Suppositions. Exactly doing what isn’t desired of us Christians: seeking answers outside of Him. His word. God’s resources are our source of knowledge. Of good. Of good. He is our protection. Our fortress. We are adopted sons and daughters unto His kingdom. We are so protected we don’t even know we are being attacked. That’s how it should be. The garden of Eden will reveal itself on that day that Perfection arrives. For now we grow in transformation unto Christ, be the Light in a dark place and become United in purpose in Christ as God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in purpose.

    • Yes I’m sure “he” would be must upset that people were trying to understand what is written in “his” book.

  117. The Garden of God was a church. The trees represented man and nations. Many nations or people were in the Garden of God. Adam was not the first man, but he was the first man that God chose to put his spirit into. At that point Adam became a spiritual being in a physical body; but his body didn’t change when this happened, Adam’s soul changed and became alive to God. Now Adam was in God’s image because of the spirit…for God is a spirit. God took Adam from the dust of the ground (sin), cleaned him up with his spirit, and put him in the garden (church) to till the ground (preach). When Adam transgressed, got put him and all the others out of the Garden and sealed it up for 4000 years. We know that Adam did not die from eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, because the Bible tells us Adam lived 800 years after Seth was born. Then we should ask what died. The same thing that came alive is the same thing that died…Adam’s soul. It only means that the spirit God had given him for his soul, God took it away because of his disobedience. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was a false prophet in the church, just as we have today in the churches of the land. The Garden reopened on the Day of Pentecost. The spirit of God can once again dwell within man. But now, God doesn’t just give it, we must become obedient first, and that’s hard for many, because now, we must also first believe.
    Want to know more? Email me.

    • Just curious how would u know from who are the seeds of Satan or of God from reading all these post? Also the new testament says if you say you are saved and commit one sin you are of your father the devil. So, if u go years and keep the oracles of God, the 10 commandments, your saved but sin once now your of the devil? Did you notice all threw out the bible Jesus says Go and sin no more? That you can walk in righteousness and sin not all the rest of your days on earth after accepting Jesus and keeping his father’s commandments. Preachers preach there is no sinless perfection, but Jesus says and all in new testament that blessed are they that keep his father’s commandment that they will eat of the tree of life. Revelations… should we not ask ourselves where did the term Christian come from? Jesus never said I am the son of Christian, no he said I am Yeshua, son of Yahew, who is Lord Elohim. So we are the children of Yehaw, Elohim when we keep his commandments and believe in his son Yeshua then why call yourself a Christian? Look how most Christian churches are in these days? I think we should address ourselves as the children of Yehaw. Yehaw has no flaw in his word. Christians vast all across the realm and for unbelievers they see us as the same as them. On another note many Christian will say once saved always saved. Ask yourself then why in revelations will God judge everyone by his 10 oracles, and need to see the recordings in the 3 books. If your saved there’d be no books in the end to do the judging. The bible is filled with a lot of pronouns, if, though, shall be. So once your soul is preserved till day of judgment, you gotta walk as he walked. If you want scriptures email me your contact and I can send over 100 scriptures. Got off the subject but Galatians tells how you can tell of who is of the spirit and not and chapter 5 tells you if you walk in the spirit you will not commit sin. On another question why does the clergy teach when praying, keep every eye closed and heads looking down? Jesus was asked how should we pray? He started off by saying hold your head up to heaven and say Our Father. On the cross he didn’t close his eyes and turn his head down to the grown. He looked to the heavens and said Forgive them they know not what they do. Any thoughts?

      • matthew

        good points.

        If “christians” would stop and think of their source of salvation (yahsua) then they would be more diligent in keeping their behavior sinless.

      • On my phone…so I will try to stay on topic.
        The Bible tells us that there are two sets of children in this world: the children of Satan, who obeys their father; and the children of God, who obeys their Father. The bible tells us that the children of God CANNOT sin because he’s born of Gid, and God’s word (seed) remains in him. The children of God are to live a sin-free life, a perfect life free from sin. We determine whose seed were dealing with by the fruit that bears.
        The term Christian is a derogatory term given to the ones who were following Christ. True worshippers of Christ called themselves Saints.

        • ok

          • Hi I am phillip. You see when God created the human body he created it with perfection. Then he created the living soul inside of the human body and the human body came alive or become a living soul. God place Adam and Eve in a garden called Eden. He place two trees in the midst of the garden. One he said to eat and the other said don’t eat. And you know the story what happened. They choose to eat of the tree God commanded not eat and there was consequences. You see the trees Godi is talking about is inside of us and also outside of us. The five major senses are five main trees God planted in us. Seeing, smelling, tasting, hearing and touching. These are trees God planted in us and many others he planted. Satan tempted eve and she misused the five senses and sin. So the human body is so unique in design that the Bible said “the angels rejoice of God creation”

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