Holocaust – yes, Ahmadinejad, it really happened


I think the contents of these slides speak for themselves.  May we never forget the horror. 

Even more, may we never be guilty of this again, or permit this to happen.













Why do Muslims really deny the Holocaust, and find it offensive?

They say they want “equal time” with the Jews for sympathy.   Jews should not be given special treatment.  But it is more to hide their guilt.


The Role of the SS Handschar division in Yugoslavia’s Holocaust
by Seán Mac Mathúna




The Mufti** of Jerusalem salutes the Bosnian SS division

From the Encyclopedia of Holocaust, Edition 1990, Vol. 2, page 704. The caption under the photograph reads: Hajj Amin al-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem, inspecting troops in Bosnia (1943).

President of Bosnia “recruited” for the SS Handschar Division

**Palestinians involved in Holocaust

Grand Mufti of Jerusalem organizes recruitment to Bosnia’s SS division

During the Second World War in Yugoslavia, as with the Catholic Church in Croatia, many Muslim clerics in Bosnia and Kosovo were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nations Serbian, Jewish and Roma population.

From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust (known as the Porajmos by the Roma), killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens – 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma.

In these crimes, they were helped by Muslim fundamentalists in Bosnia and Kosovo who were openly supported by the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini.

A notorious anti-Semite, he openly encouraged Muslims to join Nazi units that would be later implicated in genocide and crimes against humanity – the infamous Hanjar (or Handschar) 13th Waffen SS division.

***So Palestinian Muslims were active in the holocaust of millions of Jews.

One of these crimes was the The Massacre at Koritska Jama Gorge, in Bosnia during 1941. The Nazi’s also established a puppet state in Serbia under General Milan Nedic, who along with the Cetniks also particapated in the Holocaust in wartime Croatia (which included Bosnia) and Serbia.

What united al-Husseini and the Third Reich was a common hatred of the Jewish people. The Nazis had taken al-Husseini under their protection following the wartime invasion of Iraq. He was to spend most of the war living in a luxurious suite at the Hotel Adlon in Berlin.

Hitler had enjoyed quite a following among the nationalist youth of Egypt during the war, after Nassiri Nasser, the brother of the future president of Egypt, had published an Arab edition of Mein Kampf in 1939, describing its author as the “strongest man of Europe”. Not surprisingly, Egypt became like Argentina after the war – a safe haven for SS war criminals who fled there after the war. Many were keen to help President Nasser in his attempts to destroy the State of Israel. There is evidence that the shadowy ODESSA network helped many of them to Egypt. Apart from Syria – who still host the wanted SS war criminal Alois Brunner, it was in Egypt that the Post-war Arab links to the ODESSA network were strongest.

Many of the victims of the Holocaust/Porajmos were murdered in the Second World War’s third largest death camp – Jasenovac, where over 200,000 people – mainly Orthodox Serbs met their deaths. Some 240,000 were “rebaptized” into the Catholic faith by fundamentalist Clerics in “the Catholic Kingdom of Croatia” as part of the policy to “kill a third, deport a third, convert a third” of Yugoslavia’s Serbs, Jews and Roma in wartime Bosnia and Croatia (The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Vladimar Dedijer, Anriman-Verlag, Freiburg, Germany, 1988).

The most senior Muslim cleric to be involved in the Holocaust/Porajmos was Hajj Amin al-Husseini, who according to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (Edition 1990, Volume 2, Pages 706 and 707), made a substantial contribution to the Axis war effort by organizing “in record time” recruitment to Muslim SS units in Croatia that would be involved in some of the worse atrocities of the Second World War.

Altogether, it is estimated that some 20,000 Muslims fought in the Hanjar (Sword) SS Division, which fought against Yugoslav partisans led by General Tito, and carried out police and security details in fascist Hungary. The Nazi’s recruited two SS divisions from Yugoslavia’s Muslim population: the infamous Bosnian 13th Waffen Hanjar (or Handschar) SS division, and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen SS division. SS conscription in Yugoslavia during the war produced 42,000 Waffen SS and police troops

Albanian Muslims’ Role in the Holocaust


Albanians murdered 7% of the Jews in Albania proper and 40% of the Jews in Kosovo.

Today they make false claims that they “rescued” the Jews instead.   Here the persecutors pretend to be the heros.  And people are gullible enough to accept this:



Countering Holocaust Denial in Arab and Muslim Societies: A New Approach



In all of this, Arabs played a central role.

Indeed, Arabs’ actions were not too different from those of Europeans. With war waging around them, most were indifferent.

A percentage collaborated, including Arab officials in royal courts, Arab guards in labor camps, and those who went house to house pointing out where Jews lived.

Without the help of local Arabs, at all levels, the persecution of Jews would have been virtually impossible.


Important point:

Whether someone is directly involved in the persecution, serves as “paid help,” or just points the way to locate the victims, or just stands by, and does nothing – the person is still guilty of murder and genocide. 

Many learned from this evil the first time, and repented. 

Others just deny it, or minimize it, to cover their own guilt.

Those guilty want to play victims too, to take the  the focus off their hatred, and to deny compassion for those truly persecuted.

Others are cowardly, and allow the denial.  This makes them liars, collaborating with the deniers.

Some people actually helped, and tried to stop it. 

There is truth, and there is the lie.

Denying the truth makes one a liar. 

If this horror were to reoccur, what kind of role would you play?



60 Responses to “Holocaust – yes, Ahmadinejad, it really happened”

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  3. In 1980-82 I was stationed in German. We had a civilian clerk who worked beside the GI’s. This man was 17 when he enlisted in the Germany army. He was a short Russian with blond hair and blue eyes. At the time I met him he was somewhere around 59years old or so.
    One day we were talking about the holocaust. He took off his jacket and said, “let me show you something.”
    On his inner bicep was tattooed a serial number. He went on to say the Jews weren’t the only ones to get a number.
    I asked him where he fought. He repiled, “I was on the Russian front.”
    Then he told me how no one would dare speak against what Hilter was doing, or they would be killed.
    Today I hear people say it didn’t happen and I sickens me. Having met men and women who were there fighting, I find the post, men will say it never happened to be right on.
    After a year of working with him, he opened up even more.
    He said,”Villiam. I surrendered to the Americans because the Russians didn’t take prisoners. I black armor unit came through and they were slaughtering us. I figured if the rumors were true, that the Americans were more humame then I would be in good hands. Behind us the Russians were advancing. These black soliders took me, sat me down next to a fire a gave me a hot meal. They never said an evil word to me.”
    While he was telling me this he had tears in his eyes.

  4. Look into the Ashkanazi jews. THEY wear the blood of the holocaust more than hitler. Look into the part played by the american Herbert Walker Bush, without whom hitler could never have amassed the military he did.
    And americans, welcome to your future. Look at the pictures above, and re-think Fema camps.
    peace and love

    • abraxas

      Ashkenazi Jews were the ones that died under Hitler. They did not kill themselves.

      You read too many gossip pages.

      In 1943, Herbert Walker Bush was an 18 year old navy pilot. He had nothing to do with empowering Hitler.

    • Are you talking about Prescott Sheldon Bush?

  5. Here is a modern ‘death in the bottle’ that people fall for

    • hi abigail

      Poeple need to trust in God, not pills. Pills cannot cure emotions or afflictions of the soul. That is why we all need the Holy Spirit to guide us.

  6. Was this a prediction …
    the flag of islam in the white house???

  7. You will not believe this either.
    But here it is anyway.

  8. It amazes me that anyone could say this slaughter never happened. There are still a few living who were there, who helped free some of those who had managed to stay alive somehow.

  9. There are other voice in the Jewish community that are speaking out on the Holocaust. Norman Finkelstein is one of them. He has a book out called “The Holocaust Industry”. I picked up a book by a Rabbi named Michael Goldberg in the 1990’s entitled: “Why Should the Jews Survive”. He called the Holocaust a cult of the dead and said Judaism was a religion of Life. That made sense to me.


    • kitti

      There is no such thing as the holocaust industry.

      The Jews make no money or profit from remembering the holocaust once a year.

      The purpose of this remembrance is to alert people to the evil in the world, recall what allowed the holocaust to occur to begin with, and to be vigilant that this never happens again.

      There is no political or financial gain from this. Israel does not demand or extort money from foreign governments. This guy is nuts.

      This guy approves of the Palestinian terrorist activity, and is anti-Semitic in viewpoint. It does not matter if he is Jewish or muslim or secular. So he is playing down the holocaust as a manipulative tool.

      Actually, the GOAL of Palestinian terrorism is the final holocaust of Israel and its Jews.

      Notice he does not condemn acts of terrorism by Hamas or other Palestinian groups.

      The Israelis are really being treated unfairly, they do have high moral standards when they deal with terrorists, they do not lie, they inform everyone of what they are doing ahead of time, if possible, and they provide financial and humanitarian aid to Palestinians who need it. This includes medical and food assistance.

  10. I wonder if you watch any of the videos posted on this blog in their entirety? On Psychology of Real Terroism Abuse of Power, USA and Peace video that was posted on the IDf page they said we send 6 billion dollars a year to Israel and 100 billion dollars since 1948. Was the money used for spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ like we were commanded to do or for armament? If this country gets judged it will be for that reason and not for not Blessing Israel. Who is in control of our government now? Do you want me to name the names, because I can. How much money has the Jewish Community spent on Holocaust mmemorialas to remind people of it? What good has it done? They were supposed to be a light unto the world of the Torah. The Holocaust is a death cult. That’s just what the Rothschilds want. I think you are disrespectful to other Jewish people who don’t agree with you like The Naturei Karta and now Norman Finkelstein. I’ve learned to listen to the Jews as a group and that includes Naomi Wolfe, Noam Chomsky and Aaron Russo. They know their history. They are so far left to my beliefs as I am far right to theirs.

    • kitti

      Please also see the link below my name to this response. It shows where I answered you.

      You have posted many videos. My computer and internet was down for 4 days. I have had to spend 4 hours at one sitting just trying to catch up on comments. I am still catching up now.

      I get about 2500 visits a day, so I have to move quickly to scan all the comments that come in.

      So, to answer your video question, I consider the videos posted for public consideration, not just mine. I am still looking over all the videos you just posted. It will take awhile.

      I am not disrespectful to Jews just because I disagree with them. Remember, if they visited my site, they would disagree with me too, and make condemning remarks, just like they do towards Israel.

      Individuals like Noam Chomsky are secular liberals who do NOT know their own history, since it includes biblical history and prophesy.

      If you gave them a bible quiz, they would flunk it.

      Their secular natures prevent them from seeing the truth as it really is, and they are comfortable sitting in America, safe from harm, and condemning Israel from a distance, who is fighting for survival.

      They are spiritually blind, and will never be able to correctly evaluate an act of God, like the establishment of Israel.

      Yes, God uses people, both good and bad, to accomplish his plan. We know it is God’s will when it matches up with biblical prophecy.

      But these secular, non-religious Jews do not know, or care about their own prophecies.

      So it is easy for them to fall prey to the other secular voices, and to terrorist propaganda coming out of the Muslim regions.

      Some people are critical by nature, and the propaganda plays on their basic weaknesses.

      Once convinced, they just repeat what untruths have been passed their way.

      They also judge on superficial criteria.

      Whoever is losing the media battle must be wrong in their opinion, so they go with the majority opinion, rather than the truth of God’s word, and the proof Israel provides for all to see.

      They may be intellectuals, but they are ignorant ones. I used to work with people like this.

      They are very narrow minded, and will never accept anything but what goes with their own negative bias.

      However, they are still entitled to their opinions, even if if means the attempted destruction of Israel.

  11. The truth hurts. Luckily the Israelis are not called Sabras for nothing. They’re tough and can handle it, its the American Jewish community who can’t. You sort of push me to post videos I don’t want to at the expense of being called an Anti-semite. That word has been over used. What history are we talking about? Does anyone know 150,000 Jews served in Hitlers military? Brother Nathaniel is educating all the Catholics on it. He’s following in Benjamin Freedman’s footsteps. I get really upset when people label a whole group of people as he seems to do.

    • kitti

      I do not understand why you think I push you into antisemitic videos and other media.

      I have never claimed that every Jew on the face of the face is innocent of every doing anything wrong. There are more guilty, sinful Christians than there are sinful Jews. There are even more sinful Muslims.

      But I will say that the majority of Jews are faithful and honest, and are NOT Nazis, Rothchilds, terrorists, or human rights violators. There is no Israel conspiracy to take over the world or to destroy the temple mount.

      I have a close friend who is a Holocaust survivor. Her mother worked for the Communist party in Russia. If you wanted a job, you had to become a Communist. But in the end, she was killed because she was a Jew.

      These soldiers who are alleged to have been Jews in the Nazi Army….you do not know what finally happened to them.

      Jews, and others, joined the army in the beginning before Hitler revealed himself. Once they were in, they were forced into the Nazi agenda.

      Do you know what happened to these soldiers? They may have all been killed eventually, for all we know.

      What is happening in the media is “generalization.” People take a handful of Jews, and make them represent all Jews, everywhere, for all time periods.

      Why doesn’t anyone focus on the brigades of Palestinians who joined Hitler?

      Their sole purpose was to help Hitler exterminate the Jews, so they would not come to Israel.

      I can say why the focus is shifted…because Muslims are producing the videos that people are eating up.

      I even get Muslims visiting my site pretending to be Catholics, and other things, so they can slander the Jews.

      The main thing Israel is guilty of right now, is not more aggressively defending itself. Its enemies are screaming at the top of their lungs, and Israel is being too nice, quiet and complacent, trying not to offend anyone.

      I do not know who Brother Nataniel is, but he is perpetuating a lie, and he is just corrupting his followers.

  12. http://www.thefinalsolutiontoadolphhitler.com/

  13. I’ve said it before and I will say it again, I love how You Tube links you to another video. Here’s Alex Jones take on history and his wife is Jewish.

  14. History is repeating itself. You know who is going to be the scape goats for the collapse of this country “THE JEWS”. At least there is one person out there sounding the alarm and that is PAUL MEGUIRE. Unfortunately not enough Christians are listening.

    Paul McGuire

    “And after the sixty-two weeks
    Messiah will be cut off,
    But not for Himself;
    And the people of the prince who is to come
    Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
    The end of it shall be with a flood,
    And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
    Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
    Daniel 9:26-27

    There is a strange silence coming before a prophetic super-storm. The economic situation in the United States is similar to what happen in the 1930’s. Europe is economic and political turmoil as it was before the rise of the Third Reich. Anti-Semitism once hidden is now flaunted openly, even by entire Christian denominations.
    On the economic level the crisis with BP continues. But, as the oil continues to flow out from under the earth, the U.S. Government has already made deals in Africa and other nations for off shore drilling. At the same time, the U.S. economy is already reeling and this is being used as a justification of stopping all off shore drilling in the U.S. What is the real agenda here? Is it to transfer wealth from the U.S. to third World nations? (which is the primary purpose for environmentalism)

    The result is America becomes more energy dependent and Americans will begin to settle for a more Third World lifestyle? Doubt it? Read my new book “Are You Ready for the Microchip?” They are going to microchip all your appliances, air conditioning, etc. and regulate how much you can use by computer!

    The BP crisis could have been stopped long ago. A former chief scientist on the U.S. Operation Plowshare Program says that a peaceful nuclear a 10- to15-kiliton nuclear device placed 6,000 feet down would create a shock wave that would close the hole.

    Our nation and world critically need energy now. Windmills, solar panels and bicycles just won’t cut it. Safe nuclear energy plants are the only technology available that can save us.

    According to economist, Bob Chapman in the International Forecaster June 17, 2010 personal income in the U.S. has fallen another $500 billion in the last 16 months. Essentially that means all economic stimulus programs have failed! Chapman states,

    “As we look forward we see money supply plunge to the same levels of the 1930s. This is the same thing the Fed did between 1929 and 1933. We have zero interest rates, but they really only help the large borrowers and those with AAA ratings. In the first quarter $300 billion was removed from the economy, or a contraction of 9.6%. By the way that proves the upward move in gold and silver have not been the result of anticipated inflation, but by other factors, such as Europe’s problems. We cited the fall a year ago of European M3 and M4 like figures, and as usual, no one was listening. We, as you can see, have had the same result in the US. These reductions obviously were well coordinated. In addition, the assets of institutional money market funds have fallen at a 47% rate, the sharpest drop ever. Part of this Fed move is for banks to raise capital asset ratios as the Fed removes and overpays them for their toxic assets, which the taxpayer gets to pay for. That in part is why banks won’t lend to small and medium-sized companies, and this is why there cannot be a recovery.

    The banks, Wall Street, and insurance companies are selectively being bailed out, irrespective of the consequence to the US and European economies. Unfortunately, we are following the path of the “Great Depression.” That means gold and silver are being purchased in a flight to quality.

    Yes, we believe inflation is on the way in bigger numbers, but unless things change dramatically it won’t be long before that inflation is overcome and deflationary depression takes hold.
    As you have seen the titans of banking and Wall Street savaged the market on 5/6, and again are in the process of doing so, to convince Congress not to audit the Fed and to give it tyrannical monopoly powers to run America. Congress is being threatened. They are being shown the power of the Fed and its owners, if they do not do what they are being paid to do. “The Fed owns America and not “We the people.” Wake up! This happened in 1914 with the Federal Reserve Act.

    Why do most of God’s people not know this? It is because we are under the judgment of God. We have refused to listen to the Lord’s true prophets and so He has sent us fools to tickle our ears and the American people love it so! If the Lord Jesus Christ walked into most churches in America and began teaching, he would be greeted with boos and the elders would throw Him out. They would tell Jesus, “not to teach the entire Bible, don’t preach on heaven and hell. Don’t teach the Book of Revelation. You are intolerant and divisive!” Yes, the majority of Evangelical churches would throw Jesus Christ right out the front door and call the police on Him.

    As I have said many times, “The church in America is in the exact same condition as the church was before Adolph Hitler came to power.” This time it will be the Antichrist and we are moving towards the Tribulation and the Mark of the Beast. As I detail in my new book, “Are You Ready for the Microchip?” the Health Care Bill contains language that allows for a chip.

    The apostasy has swept into the church and the false prophets are everywhere.

    It is time to us to bow before the word of God.
    Blow the trumpet in Zion,
    And sound an alarm in My holy mountain!
    Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble;
    For the day of the LORD is coming,
    For it is at hand:

    A day of darkness and gloominess,
    A day of clouds and thick darkness,
    Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains.
    A people come, great and strong,
    The like of whom has never been;
    Nor will there ever be any such after them,
    Even for many successive generations.
    A fire devours before them,
    And behind them a flame burns;
    The land is like the Garden of Eden before them,
    And behind them a desolate wilderness;
    Surely nothing shall escape them.
    Their appearance is like the appearance of horses;
    And like swift steeds, so they run.
    With a noise like chariots
    Over mountaintops they leap,

    Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble,
    Like a strong people set in battle array.
    Before them the people writhe in pain;
    All faces are drained of color.
    They run like mighty men,
    They climb the wall like men of war;
    Every one marches in formation,
    And they do not break ranks.
    They do not push one another;
    Every one marches in his own column.
    Though they lunge between the weapons,
    They are not cut down.
    They run to and fro in the city,
    They run on the wall;
    They climb into the houses,
    They enter at the windows like a thief.
    The earth quakes before them,
    The heavens tremble;
    The sun and moon grow dark,

    And the stars diminish their brightness.
    The LORD gives voice before His army,
    For His camp is very great;
    For strong is the One who executes His word.
    For the day of the LORD is great and very terrible;
    Who can endure it?
    A Call to Repentance
    ” Now, therefore,” says the LORD,

    ” Turn to Me with all your heart,
    With fasting, with weeping, and with mourning.”
    So rend your heart, and not your garments;
    Return to the LORD your God,
    For He is gracious and merciful,
    Slow to anger, and of great kindness;
    And He relents from doing harm.
    Who knows if He will turn and relent,
    And leave a blessing behind Him-
    A grain offering and a drink offering

    For the LORD your God?
    Blow the trumpet in Zion,
    Consecrate a fast,
    Call a sacred assembly;
    Gather the people,
    Sanctify the congregation,
    Assemble the elders,

    Gather the children and nursing babes;
    Let the bridegroom go out from his chamber,
    And the bride from her dressing room.
    Let the priests, who minister to the LORD,
    Weep between the porch and the altar;
    Let them say, “Spare Your people, O LORD,
    And do not give Your heritage to reproach,
    That the nations should rule over them.
    Why should they say among the peoples,

    ‘ Where is their God?'”

  15. Baruch Spinoza: “Politischer Traktat”
    Darrel Ray: “God Virus”
    “Evangelium im Dritten Reich”
    Adolf Hitlers Bible
    Nazi Bible
    Trijicons Bible
    C.I.A. Bible

  16. Marianne;
    What is Margot talking about? It looks like a bunch of titles. Does it make any sense to you?

  17. I have this movie I really like to watch. It’s called “The Quarrel”. It about two Jews who run into each other years after the Holocauset. One is secular and one is a Hassidim arguing over the whose fault the Holocaust is. If you haven’t figured it out by now, I like videos. I watch them over and over again. Thre’s 9 parts. I’ll post two.

  18. Marianne;
    Have you every thought how everything that is happening NOW is a repeat of Nazi Germany?

    Read this: I guess I’m in BIG TROUBLE.

    Viacom lawsuit: Google told to hand over all YouTube user details
    YouTube users to be revealed
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    Bobbie Johnson, technology correspondent
    The Guardian, Friday 4 July 2008
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    The internet giant Google is being forced to hand over the personal information of every person who has ever watched a video on the YouTube website as part of a billion-dollar court case in the US.

    A judge in New York has ordered that Google, which owns YouTube, must pass on the details of more than 100 million people – many of them in the UK – to Viacom, the US broadcasting company which owns channels including MTV and Nickelodeon.

    The data will include unique internet addresses, email accounts and the history of every video watched on the website, giving Viacom’s experts the ability to conduct a detailed examination of the viewing habits of millions of people around the world.

    The decision is the latest twist in a long court battle between the two companies over claims that Google encourages copyright infringement on the video sharing website. Judge Louis Stanton, who is presiding over the $1bn lawsuit, said the data handover was required in order to allow Viacom to build its case.

    Google’s lawyers had argued that the cost of producing complete logs of YouTube’s viewers would be prohibitive. But that line of reasoning was rejected by the court, which said that concerns over privacy were speculative. “While the logging database is large, all of its content can be copied on to a few ‘over-the-shelf’ hard drives,” Stanton wrote in a 25-page adjudication.

    While information on who has watched YouTube’s countless videos of sneezing pandas and laughing babies may seem trivial, civil liberties campaigners fear the ruling could set a precedent for the level of privacy afforded to people using the internet, and that internet companies could now be sued in order to get hold of sensitive personal data.

    “The court’s erroneous ruling is a setback to privacy rights,” said Kurt Opsahl, a lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an online civil liberties group based in San Francisco. “We urge Viacom to back off this overbroad request and Google to take all steps necessary to challenge this order and protect the rights of its users.”

    YouTube, which was founded in California in 2005, was bought by Google just a year later for $1.65bn and has since become the biggest video site on the web. It has an estimated 72 million users in the US alone, and its videos are watched more than 2.5 billion times each month.

    The site is used by a number of broadcasters, including the BBC, as an outlet for their videos and clips – but a number of rivals claim that YouTube is a hotbed of piracy and encourages people to upload copyrighted television shows. Although Google has brought in a series of systems to help with the removal of illegal material from the site, Viacom argued that it does not go far enough and launched its court action in March last year.

    The court’s decision also means that Viacom has succeeded in getting hold of exactly the same sort information that the American government has failed to access in the past.

    In 2006, the US department of justice asked Google to reveal information on millions of web searches conducted on its website, as part of a wide-ranging investigation into illegal activity online. Google challenged the order and successfully fought it off in court, arguing that such a move would invade users’ privacy and expose commercially sensitive information.

    In a statement yesterday, Google said it would lobby for the data it provides to be scrubbed clean of personal information.

    “We are disappointed the court granted Viacom’s overreaching demand for viewing history. We will ask Viacom to respect users’ privacy and allow us to anonymise the logs before producing them under the court’s order,” it said.

  19. There’s a lot of people that thing Prince Charles is the Anti-Christ. I ran across this at the New Year:

    Prince Charles of Arabia

    by Ronni L. Gordon and David M. Stillman
    Middle East Quarterly
    September 1997, pp. 3-7
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    [T]he effort for these years to live in the dress of Arabs, and to imitate their mental foundation, quitted me of my English self, and let me look at the West and its conventions with new eyes: they destroyed it all for me.
    – T.E.Lawrence Seven Pillars of Wisdom1
    Prince Charles has often surprised his future subjects, but few shocks match the allegations of a newspaper article that appeared in October 1996:2

    The idea of the Prince of Wales lugging around a prayer mat and turning to face Mecca five times a day sounds a tad unlikely – but, then again, so did confessing to adultery on prime-time television a couple of years ago. So perhaps no one should be shocked by the suggestion in a forthcoming book that Prince Charles has converted to Islam.
    This claim was put forward by no less a personage than the grand mufti of Cyprus: “Did you know that Prince Charles has converted to Islam. Yes, yes. He is a Muslim. I can’t say more. But it happened in Turkey. Oh, yes, he converted all right. When you get home check on how often he travels to Turkey. You’ll find that your future king is a Muslim.”3 “Nonsense,” replied a Buckingham Palace spokesman, denying Charles’s supposed conversion. Lord St. John of Fawsley, a constitutional expert, is no less dubious, commenting that “The Prince of Wales is a loyal member of the Church of England.”4 Some time later, a leak to the press told of Charles’s “desire to play a greater role in the Church of England,” an apparent attempt to reinforce the prince’s Anglican credentials.5

    Rumors about the Prince of Wales’s conversion to Islam may well be inaccurate; even so, the fact that spokesmen official and unofficial felt compelled to deny this fact results from persistent speculation about Charles’s religious loyalties that arises out of his statements and actions of recent years. And these, in turn, reflect a larger trend in Western society.


    The future Charles III has made several strong public statements endorsing Islam as the solution to the spiritual and cultural ills of Britain and the West. His public advocacy of Islam appears to go back to 1989, when Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued an edict (fatwa) against Salman Rushdie, a British citizen, for blaspheming the Prophet Muhammad in his novel The Satanic Verses.6 Rather than defend Rushdie’s freedom of speech, Charles reacted to the death decree by reflecting on the positive features that Islam has to offer the spiritually empty lives of his countrymen.

    Charles first delivered a major address on Islam on October 27, 1993, at the Sheldonian Theatre at Oxford where he is a vice patron of the Centre for Islamic Studies.7 He declared that the usual attitude to Islam

    suffers because the way we understand it has been hijacked by the extreme and the superficial. To many of us in the West, Islam is seen in terms of the tragic civil war in Lebanon, the killings and bombings perpetrated by extremist groups in the Middle East, and by what is commonly referred to as “Islamic fundamentalism.”
    The Prince of Wales then explained the causes for this distorted understanding:

    Our judgement of Islam has been grossly distorted by taking the extremes to the norm. . . . For example, people in this country frequently argue that the Sharia law of the Islamic world is cruel, barbaric and unjust. Our newspapers, above all, love to peddle those unthinking prejudices. The truth is, of course, different and always more complex. My own understanding is that extremes, like the cutting off of hands, are rarely practised. The guiding principle and spirit of Islamic law, taken straight from the Qur’an, should be those of equity and compassion.
    Charles suggests that European women may even find something to envy in the situation of their Muslim sisters:

    Islamic countries like Turkey, Egypt and Syria gave women the vote as early as Europe did its women-and much earlier than in Switzerland! In those countries women have long enjoyed equal pay, and the opportunity to play a full working role in their societies.
    Charles considers Christianity inadequate to the task of spiritual restoration and denigrates science for having caused the West to lose its spiritual moorings. Echoing a common Muslim theme, he declares that “Western civilisation has become increasingly acquisitive and exploitive in defiance of our environmental responsibilities.” Instead, he praises the “Islamic revival” of the 1980s and portrays Islam as Britain’s salvation:

    Islam can teach us today a way of understanding and living in the world which Christianity itself is poorer for having lost. At the heart of Islam is its preservation of an integral view of the Universe. Islam-like Buddhism and Hinduism-refuses to separate man and nature, religion and science, mind and matter, and has preserved a metaphysical and unified view of ourselves and the world around us. . . . But the West gradually lost this integrated vision of the world with Copernicus and Descartes and the coming of the scientific revolution. A comprehensive philosophy of nature is no longer part of our everyday beliefs.
    He concludes by suggesting that “there are things for us to learn in this system of belief which I suggest we ignore at our peril.”

    Among the many titles borne by the British sovereign is “Defender of the Faith,” a reference to the fact that the monarch heads not only the government but also the Church of England. But the prince has reservations about this title. In a June 1994 television documentary he declared his preference to be known as “Defender of Faith” rather than “Defender of the Faith,”8 leading to a rash of speculation that he favors the disestablishment of the Church of England.9

    Charles has continued to discuss the role of Islam in the United Kingdom. In a speech at the Foreign Office Conference Centre at Wilton Park in Sussex on December 13, 1996, he called on Islamic pedagogy and philosophy to help young Britons develop a healthier view of the world.10 Praising Islamic culture in its traditional form for trying to preserve an “integrated, spiritual view of the world in a way we have not seen fit to do in recent generations in the West,” he went on to say:

    There is much we can learn from that Islamic world view in this respect. There are many ways in which mutual understanding and appreciation can be built. Perhaps, for instance, we could begin by having more Muslim teachers in British schools, or by encouraging exchanges of teachers. Everywhere in the world people want to learn English. But in the West, in turn, we need to be taught by Islamic teachers how to learn with our hearts, as well as our heads.
    The results of this study will help Westerners

    to rethink, and for the better, our practical stewardship of man and his environment-in fields such as health-care, the natural environment and agriculture, as well as in architecture and urban planning.
    In addition to these comments on Islam, Charles has taken steps to give that religion a special status. For example, he set up a panel of twelve “wise men” (in fact, eleven men and one woman) to advise him on Islamic religion and culture.11 This caused much talk, especially as the group was reported to have met in secret. Some noted that no comparable body exists to inform the crown prince about other faiths practiced in his future realm.


    Muslim world. Charles has traveled extensively in the Muslim world, with recent visits to Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, and Bangladesh. He has visited Turkey so often that some observers believe that to be the country where his rumored conversion to Islam took place. In addition, he has visited mosques in the United Kingdom, for example, dropping in on one at the end of Ramadan in April 1996.

    Some offices of the British government have found a practical use for the prince’s affection for Islam. In particular, the Foreign Office uses him as a point man for British business interests in Muslim countries, leading one journalist to comment that “the Charles of Arabia phenomenon is here to stay,” for it helps assure British commerce with the Muslim world.12

    Although some Britons may be bewildered at Prince Charles’s infatuation with Islam, he has become a hero among Muslims. His February 1997 visit to Saudi Arabia

    got moderate coverage in the British press-but it was huge news in the host country. In Saudi Arabia, the overwhelming theme of the welcoming addresses was of the Prince as candid friend of the Islamic world. The warmth of his welcome was extraordinary.
    The writer of this account, John Casey of Cambridge University, warns that the British public lacks a clear understanding of Charles’s standing in the Muslim world:

    The extent to which the Prince is admired by Muslims-even to the point of hero-worship-has not yet sunk into the consciousness of the British public. When it does, that public may or may not be pleased.
    Casey concludes that the prince of Wales’s “hero status” in the Arab world is permanent. “No other Western figure commands this sort of admiration.”13

    Charles’s Muslim admirers can be generous in their gratitude. At a private dinner with prince Charles in May 1997, Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia announced a donation by King Fahd of $33 million to Oxford University to construct a new Centre for Islamic Studies at Oxford, a gift designed “to establish Islamic studies at the heart of the British education system.”14

    Great Britain. Charles’s speeches provoked a flurry of comments in England. In the popular perception, he is a spiritual dilettante, something of a religious butterfly, flitting from faith to faith and veering, increasingly, towards Islam. . . . The sight of the Prince in yet another prayer shawl only compounds the image of a well-intentioned eccentric seeking divine inspiration.15

    Others wonder if Charles is aware of the punishments Islamic law metes out to adulterers-and whether he “exacted some sort of guarantee” before traveling to the Muslim world that he would not be “stoned or beaten by devout Saudi or Bangladeshi natives.”16

    Some Englishmen took their prince’s statements more seriously. Patrick Sookhdeo, director of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity, raised questions about the coherence of Charles’s approach to Islam, commenting that “It is not fair to compare the best ideals of the Islamic faith with the worst of Western cultural decadence.” Sookhdeo also reminded Charles that many Muslims see in Western traditions the solution to their own problems:

    What do Muslims living in a Muslim context feel? Are they content to continue submitting to authority in every detail of their lives? Many are not. We hear much about radical Islamists seeking an even closer adherence to the original teachings of Islam. But we hear little about the opposite phenomenon: the Muslims who are attracted by democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, respect for the rights and worth of the individual and other characteristics of Western society.17
    Another commentator reversed Charles’s argument and held that some of Britain’s million and a half Muslims need instruction in British values:

    it would be interesting to know who they [the Muslim leaders with whom Charles associates] are. Do they include Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammad, who supports Hamas, agitates for an Islamic state, and recently called for homosexuals to fling themselves off Big Ben? Or the dissident Dr. al-Mas’ari, who has used the new freedom of speech which we in this country have given him to call for the extermination of the Jews?18
    Prime Minister John Major reacted to Charles’s sentiment about wanting to be known as “Defender of Faith” with the understated comment that “it would be a little odd if Prince Charles was defender of faiths of which he was not a member.”19

    The conflict between Charles’s enthusiasm for Islam and his subjects’ leeriness played itself out recently at Oxford, where the reaction to King Fahd’s huge gift to the Islamic center met with little enthusiasm. Oxford faculty oppose the gift, claiming its proposed location-on a greenfield site near the heart of the city-would constitute “overdevelopment.”20 Presumably their ecological opposition hides other motives as well.

    Interestingly, Charles himself has mildly experienced the wrath of fundamentalist Islam. Just after Ayatollah Khomeini issued his death decree against Salman Rushdie, Charles was in the Persian Gulf and Tehran radio denounced his presence there “as a snub to Islam.”21 Because of “heightened security concerns in the wake of Muslim furor over The Satanic Verses,”22 the prince was forced to withdraw from a polo match in Dubai. But this brush with Muslim extremists has not dissuaded Charles from reassuring others that Islam’s problem is only one of image.

    It bears noting that Charles is not the royal family’s only link to the Muslim world, for Princess Diana, Charles’s ex-wife, has often been linked to Hasnat Khan, a London-based cardiac surgeon. Just as Charles donned a Muslim prayer shawl, Di wore a traditional shalwar kameez during her visit to Khan’s family in Pakistan. London’s Sunday Mirror23 reports that Khan’s family has approved a possible marriage of the divorced 35-year-old princess and their son, then quoted the princess (via a “friend”) to the effect that she hoped Khan would father a half-sister to her two sons, princes William and Harry. While Diana’s divorce from the heir to the British throne removes her personally from the royal family, her sons could be the first heirs to the British throne with a Muslim stepfather.


    The denigration of the West at the expense of a foreign tradition that Charles engages in occurs quite commonly among the West’s intellectual elite. For some it is Islam, for others Tibetan Buddhism, Maoist thought, or American Indian spirituality. In all cases, the alien is assumed superior to the familiar. Arthur Schlesinger replies to this that there remains

    a crucial difference between the Western tradition and the others. The crimes of the West have produced their own antidotes. They have provoked great movements to end slavery, to raise the status of women, to abolish torture, to combat racism, to defend freedom of inquiry and expression, to advance personal liberty and human rights.24
    Should Charles persist in his admiration of Islam and defamation of his own culture, it could be, as The Independent puts it, that his accession to the throne will indeed usher in a “different kind of monarchy.”

    Ronni L. Gordon and David M. Stillman are associate scholars of the Middle East Forum.

  20. I was always a fan of Princes Diana. I didn’t even know about her or care the year she married Prince Charles because that’s the same year and month my daughter was born in. Have you seen these tapes?

  21. Don;
    I know you are not trying to be rude. I get frustrated, because I want people to look at the links. It sounds like I’ve been a Christian as long as you have. A lot of Christians don’t even want or believe “Jesus is Coming, are you ready?” There are other people logging on to this blog besides Christians who don’t want us preaching at them. I’m trying to relate to them and point out the connections I see and then they look at how one of you guys relates it to the Bible. Fascism and all the things that were going on in WW II are repeating; concentration camps (fema camps, tattos, surveilance etc). This time we have no excuse not to recognize it. We have the internet, the television, cell phones, satelite etc. I always believed once we and others saw these things begin to take shape voila!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the light bulb would go on. Its seductive. It’s like a frog being put in lukewarm water and the temperature gradually being turned up.

  22. San José State University
    Department of Economics
    Thayer Watkins
    Silicon Valley
    & Tornado Alley
    The Economic System of Corporatism
    In the last half of the 19th century people of the working class in Europe were beginning to show interest in the ideas of socialism and syndicalism. Some members of the intelligentsia, particularly the Catholic intelligentsia, decided to formulate an alternative to socialism which would emphasize social justice without the radical solution of the abolition of private property. The result was called Corporatism. The name had nothing to do with the notion of a business corporation except that both words are derived from the Latin word for body, corpus.

    The basic idea of corporatism is that the society and economy of a country should be organized into major interest groups (sometimes called corporations) and representatives of those interest groups settle any problems through negotiation and joint agreement. In contrast to a market economy which operates through competition a corporate economic works through collective bargaining. The American president Lyndon Johnson had a favorite phrase that reflected the spirit of corporatism. He would gather the parties to some dispute and say, “Let us reason together.”

    Under corporatism the labor force and management in an industry belong to an industrial organization. The representatives of labor and management settle wage issues through collective negotiation. While this was the theory in practice the corporatist states were largely ruled according to the dictates of the supreme leader.

    One early and important theorist of corporatism was Adam Müller, an advisor to Prince Metternich in what is now eastern Germany and Austria. Müller propounded his views as an antidote to the twin dangers of the egalitarianism of the French Revolution and the laissez faire economics of Adam Smith. In Germany and elsewhere there was a distinct aversion among rulers to allow markets to function without direction or control by the state. The general culture heritage of Europe from the medieval era was opposed to individual self-interest and the free operation of markets. Markets and private property were acceptable only as long as social regulation took precedence over such sinfull motivations as greed.

    Coupled with the anti-market sentiments of the medieval culture there was the notion that the rulers of the state had a vital role in promoting social justice. Thus corporatism was formulated as a system that emphasized the postive role of the state in guaranteeing social justice and suppressing the moral and social chaos of the population pursuing their own individual self-interests. And above all else, as a political economic philosophy corporatism was flexible. It could tolerate private enterprise within limits and justify major projects of the state. Corporatism has sometimes been labeled as a Third Way or a mixed economy, a synthesis of capitalism and socialism, but it is in fact a separate, distinctive political economic system.

    Although rulers have probably operated according to the principles of corporatism from time immemorial it was only in the early twentieth century that regimes began to identify themselves as corporatist. The table below gives some of those explicitly corporatist regimes.

    Corporatist Regimes of
    the Early Twentieth Century
    System Name Country Period Leader
    National Corporatism Italy 1922-1945 Benito Mussolini
    Country, Religion, Monarchy Spain 1923-1930 Miguel Primo de Rivera
    National Socialism Germany 1933-1945 Adolph Hitler
    National Syndicalism Spain 1936-1973 Francisco Franco
    New State Portugal 1932-1968 Antonio Salazar
    New State Brazil 1933-1945 Getulio Vargas
    New Deal United States 1933-1945 Franklin Roosevelt
    Civilization Greece 1936-1941 Ioannis Metaxas
    Justice Party Argentina 1943-1955 Juan Peron
    In the above table several of the regimes were brutal, totalitarian dictatorships, usually labeled fascist, but not all the regimes that had a corporatist foundation were fascist. In particular, the Roosevelt New Deal despite its many faults could not be described as fascist. But definitely the New Deal was corporatist. The architect for the initial New Deal program was General Hugh Johnson. Johnson had been the administrator of the military mobilization program for the U.S. under Woodrow Wilson during World War I. It was felt that he did a good job of managing the economy during that period and that is why he was given major responsibility for formulating an economic program to deal with the severe problems of the Depression. But between the end of World War I and 1933 Hugh Johnson had become an admirer of Mussolini’s National Corporatist system in Italy and he drew upon the Italian experience in formulating the New Deal. It should be noted that many elements of the early New Deal were later declared unconstitutional and abandoned, but some elements such as the National Labor Relations Act which promoted unionization of the American labor force are still in effect. One part of the New Deal was the development of the Tennessee River Valley under the public corporation called the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). Some of the New Dealer saw TVA as more than a public power enterprise. They hoped to make TVA a model for the creation of regional political units which would replace state governments. Their goal was not realized. The model for TVA was the river development schemes carried out in Spain in the 1920’s under the government of Miguel Primo de Rivera. Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, the son of Miguel Primo de Rivera, was the founder of Franco’s National Syndicalism.

    Corporatist regime typically promote large governmental projects such as TVA on the basis that they are too large to be funded by private enterprise. In Brazil the Vargas regime created many public enterprises such as in iron and steel production which it felt were needed but private enterprise declined to create. It also created an organized labor movement that came to control those public enterprises and turned them into overstaffed, inefficient drains on the public budget.

    Although the above locates the origin of corporatism in 19th century France it roots can be traced much further back in time. Sylvia Ann Hewlett in her book, The Cruel Dilemmas of Development: Twentieth Century Brazil, says,

    Corporatism is based on a body of ideas that can be traced through Aristotle, Roman law, medieval social and legal structures, and into contemporary Catholic social philosophy. These ideas are based on the premise that man’s nature can only be fulfilled within a political community.
    The central core of the corporatist vision is thus not the individual but the political community whose perfection allows the individual members to fulfill themselves and find happiness.
    The state in the corporatist tradition is thus clearly interventionist and powerful.
    Corporatism is collectivist; it is a different version of collectivism than socialism but it is definitely collectivist. It places some importance on the fact that private property is not nationalized, but the control through regulation is just as real. It is de facto nationalization without being de jure nationalization.

    Although Corporatism is not a familiar concept to the general public, most of the economies of the world are corporatist in nature. The categories of socialist and pure market economy are virtually empty. There are only corporatist economies of various flavors.

    These flavors of corporatism include the social democratic regimes of Europe and the Americas, but also the East Asian and Islamic fundamentalist regimes such as Taiwan, Singapore and Iran. The Islamic socialist states such as Syria, Libya and Algeria are more corporatist than socialist, as was Iraq under Saddam Hussain. The formerly communist regimes such as Russia and China are now clearly corporatist in economic philosphy although not in name.

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  23. Marianne;Are you familiar with Corrie Ten Boom? She lived and died in Plancetia,Ca. Chuck Smmith was her pastor before she died. I heard her speak at Melodyland Christian Center. Have you ever see the “The Hiding Place”?

  24. http://www.corrietenboom.com/



    This is a drawing of the Ten Boom family home, Barteljorisstraat 19, Haarlem, Holland. The drawing looks very much like the house does today. In 1837 Willem ten Boom opened a watch shop in this house. His family lived in the rooms above the shop. The home was later passed down to Willem’s son, Casper, and then to Casper’s daughter, Corrie. In 1987 the Corrie ten Boom House Foundation purchased the building. To continue this family’s witness, in 1988 the Foundation opened this home as a museum. It is often called the Hiding Place. It has become a symbol that surpasses national boundaries. Let us share the inspiring story of the Ten Booms and the Hiding Place with you!

    The Ten Boom family were devoted Christians who dedicated their lives in service to their fellow man. Their home was always an “open house” for anyone in need. Through the decades the Ten Booms were very active in social work in Haarlem, and their faith inspired them to serve the religious community and society at large.

    During the Second World War, the Ten Boom home became a refuge, a hiding place, for fugitives and those hunted by the Nazis. By protecting these people, Casper and his daughters, Corrie and Betsie, risked their lives. This non-violent resistance against the Nazi-oppressors was the Ten Booms’ way of living out their Christian faith. This faith led them to hide Jews, students who refused to cooperate with the Nazis, and members of the Dutch underground resistance movement.

    During 1943 and into 1944, there were usually 6-7 people illegally living in this home: 4 Jews and 2 or 3 members of the Dutch underground. Additional refugees would stay with the Ten Booms for a few hours or a few days until another “safe house” could be located for them. Corrie became a ringleader within the network of the Haarlem underground. Corrie and “the Beje group” would search for courageous Dutch families who would take in refugees, and much of Corrie’s time was spent caring for these people once they were in hiding. Through these activities, the Ten Boom family and their many friends saved the lives of an estimated 800 Jews, and protected many Dutch underground workers.

    On February 28, 1944, this family was betrayed and the Gestapo (the Nazi secret police) raided their home. The Gestapo set a trap and waited throughout the day, seizing everyone who came to the house. By evening about 30 people had been taken into custody! Casper, Corrie and Betsie were all arrested. Corrie’s brother Willem, sister Nollie, and nephew Peter were at the house that day, and were also taken to prison.

    Although the Gestapo systematically searched the house, they could not find what they sought most. They suspected Jews were in the house, but the Jews were safely hidden behind a false wall in Corrie’s bedroom. In this “hiding place” were two Jewish men, two Jewish women and two members of the Dutch underground. Although the house remained under guard, the Resistance was able to liberate the refugees 47 hours later. The six people had managed to stay quiet in their cramped, dark hiding place for all that time, even though they had no water and very little food. The four Jews were taken to new “safe houses,” and three survived the war. One of the underground workers was killed during the war years, but the other survived.

    Because underground materials and extra ration cards were found in their home, the Ten Boom family was imprisoned. Casper (84 years old) died after only 10 days in Scheveningen Prison. When Casper was asked if he knew he could die for helping Jews, he replied, “It would be an honor to give my life for God’s ancient people.” Corrie and Betsie spent 10 months in three different prisons, the last was the infamous Ravensbruck Concentration Camp located near Berlin, Germany. Life in the camp was almost unbearable, but Corrie and Betsie spent their time sharing Jesus’ love with their fellow prisoners. Many women became Christians in that terrible place because of Corrie and Betsie’s witness to them. Betsie (59) died in Ravensbruck, but Corrie survived. Corrie’s nephew, Christiaan (24), had been sent to Bergen Belsen for his work in the underground, and never returned. Corrie’s brother, Willem (60), was also a ring leader in the Dutch underground. While in prison for this “crime,” he contracted spinal tuberculosis and died shortly after the war.

    Four Ten Booms gave their lives for this family’s commitment, but Corrie came home from the death camp. She realized her life was a gift from God, and she needed to share what she and Betsie had learned in Ravensbruck: “There is no pit so deep that God’s love is not deeper still” and “God will give us the love to be able to forgive our enemies.” At age 53, Corrie began a world-wide ministry which took her into more than 60 countries in the next 33 years! She testified to God’s love and encouraged all she met with the message that “Jesus is Victor.”

    Corrie received many tributes. Corrie was knighted by the Queen of Holland. In 1968, the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem (Yad Vashem) asked Corrie to plant a tree in the Garden of Righteousness, in honor of the many Jewish lives her family saved. Corrie’s tree stands there today. In the early 1970’s Corrie’s book THE HIDING PLACE became a best seller and World Wide Pictures released the major motion picture “The Hiding Place.” Corrie went on to write many other inspiring books and make several evangelical videos.

    Corrie was a woman who was faithful to God. She died on her 91st birthday, April 15, 1983. It is interesting that Corrie’s passing occurred on her birthday. In the Jewish tradition, it is only very blessed people who are allowed the special privilege of dying on their birthday!

    Corrie’s story is recounted in her books THE HIDING PLACE and TRAMP FOR THE LORD. These, and many other books and videos about this family are available from the Book Shop on this web site.

    Announcing a very special new book, A VISIT TO THE HIDING PLACE: THE LIFE-CHANGING EXPERIENCES OF CORRIE TEN BOOM. This is the most complete book ever written about Corrie and her family. It contains over 200 photographs (many in color) and the inspiring story of Corrie’s life, told primarily in her own words. The Book Shop has more information.

    Any items ordered from our Book Shop will help support the Corrie ten Boom Museum!

    I think what bothers me the most about the Seventh Day Adventists is when they talk about “The Holocaust” they focus on “The Catholic Church” and how “The Catholic Church” collaborated with the Nazis. And then you have “The Catholic Church” critizing the “Seventh Day Adventists” of the same thing. Were there significant numbers of rescuers in either group? I do like Dr. Veith. I have prayed for him. I think he’s a good speaker. He and I agree about 9/11.

    I documented on the feud between the two groups:

    It wasn’t my attempt to do it. One thing lead to another. Chuck Missler says he’s always going down rabbit trails. That’s me too.
    At this very moment, I have a number of things to post, but on which post? Where do I put it? Will others see the connections? I see the connections, but so many people don’t. Why? It drives me crazy. They are linked. Why don’t you see it?

    Corrie Ten Boom believed in a Pr-Trib Rapture, yet this person Gavin Finley MD does not but he posted her video on his web site.
    I’ll post his web site. I should also post all the pre-trib sites to counter it, but maybe later.


    He linked another web site with his on an article about “Sharia Law” I’m trying to show you connections. I don’t know if you see it.

    What’s our common ground?

    An exerpt from:1971 autobiography, The Hiding Place

    Corrie ten Boom has long been honored by evangelical Christians as an exemplar of Christian faith in action. Arrested by the Nazis along with the rest of her family for hiding Jews in their Haarlem home during the Holocaust, she was imprisoned and eventually sent to the Ravensbruck concentration camp along with her beloved sister, Betsie, who perished there just days before Corrie’s own release on December 31, 1944. Inspired by Betsie’s example of selfless love and forgiveness amid extreme cruelty and persecution, Corrie established a post-war home for other camp survivors trying to recover from the horrors they had escaped. She went on to travel widely as a missionary, preaching God’s forgiveness and the need for reconciliation. Corrie’s devout moral principles were tested when, by chance, she came face to face with one of her former tormentors in 1947. The following description of that experience is excerpted from her 1971 autobiography, The Hiding Place, written with the help of John and Elizabeth Sherrill.

    I’m Still Learning to Forgive
    It was in a church in Munich that I saw him, a balding heavy-set man in a gray overcoat, a brown felt hat clutched between his hands. People were filing out of the basement room where I had just spoken. It was 1947 and I had come from Holland to defeated Germany with the message that God forgives. …

    And that’s when I saw him, working his way forward against the others. One moment I saw the overcoat and the brown hat; the next, a blue uniform and a visored cap with its skull and crossbones. It came back with a rush: the huge room with its harsh overhead lights, the pathetic pile of dresses and shoes in the center of the floor, the shame of walking naked past this man. I could see my sister’s frail form ahead of me, ribs sharp beneath the parchment skin. Betsie, how thin you were!

    Betsie and I had been arrested for concealing Jews in our home during the Nazi occupation of Holland; this man had been a guard at Ravensbruck concentration camp where we were sent. …

    “You mentioned Ravensbruck in your talk,” he was saying. “I was a guard in there.” No, he did not remember me.
    “I had to do it — I knew that. The message that God forgives has a prior condition: that we forgive those who have injured us.” “But since that time,” he went on, “I have become a Christian. I know that God has forgiven me for the cruel things I did there, but I would like to hear it from your lips as well. Fraulein, …” his hand came out, … “will you forgive me?”

    And I stood there — I whose sins had every day to be forgiven — and could not. Betsie had died in that place — could he erase her slow terrible death simply for the asking?

    It could not have been many seconds that he stood there, hand held out, but to me it seemed hours as I wrestled with the most difficult thing I had ever had to do.

    For I had to do it — I knew that. The message that God forgives has a prior condition: that we forgive those who have injured us. “If you do not forgive men their trespasses,” Jesus says, “neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.” …

    And still I stood there with the coldness clutching my heart. But forgiveness is not an emotion — I knew that too. Forgiveness is an act of the will, and the will can function regardless of the temperature of the heart. “Jesus, help me!” I prayed silently. “I can lift my hand, I can do that much. You supply the feeling.”

    And so woodenly, mechanically, I thrust my hand into the one stretched out to me. And as I did, an incredible thing took place. The current started in my shoulder, raced down my arm, sprang into our joined hands. And then this healing warmth seemed to flood my whole being, bringing tears to my eyes.

    “I forgive you, brother!” I cried. “With all my heart!”
    For a long moment we grasped each other’s hands, the former guard and the former prisoner. I had never known God’s love so intensely as I did then.

  25. is not true. the albanians not only save the hebrews but the number of them post war was major then at the start of the war. and all the films and propaganda for that are not from albanians but notable jewish make and publish those films. we did wat we did. but serbian and greek propaganda hate us like europe hate the jews. because in our language joseph mean rather then. mosse mean dont. jehova mean i echo. nefilim mean at the beginin. and gen mean thing. gen is for genessis or genoma. the jews are our children for this we helped them. look at the numbers of jews before and after war.

  26. As a jew im ashamed that jews and other people use the holocaust as an excuse to kill other people…fuck this shit

  27. Read about the Mufhti of paris in ww2 see what he did for us jews, this is propoganada sight and its bad news….zionism is turning jews into jerk offs

  28. The Holocaust never happened,you have a great website with wonderful information but I’m sorry you need to get a degree in history from the root source….I would suggest you pay closer attention to the role of Russia where satan is throned and go from there….Hitler was trailing something that has been going on for longer then your little mind can comprehend…Stop startling yourself with such non-sense and reading blogs that you end up curbing then creating this information in your own interpretations…Those pics you have do not at all prove withoout a shadow of a doubt that those were Jews killed,period! There is nothing you can tell me bewtween now and our death that can justify that…Fuck Jureselum because they will be the one’s to start a war bewtween the U.S and Iran…You need to wake up and stop this Jewish bullshit holocaust crap..

  29. Nothing is as worst in the history of this lifetime of all the Russians killed during and after world war 2.Over a hundred million…Ruthlessly…Every Jew who came to the U.S selling the U.S holocaust lies have now recently been admitting they lied…Why do you dwell so far back in History that means little of nothing..Yeshua told us everything we need to know in the bible,this isn’t a human world,a spiritual one,and what’s going on has nothing tgo do with what are who we think we are anyhow….Peddling with this is really unnecessary

    • bruce

      I am not sure what has caused this sense of injury in you that you have this view.

      Do you have a Russian background, ie family who is Russian.?

      I personally have a friend who is both Russian and a holocaust survivor….she is a witness and perfect example of what happened to the jews in europe.

      I cannot imagine any real Jew who would deny the holocaust. The media and american military even took pictures of all the dead jews laid up in piles for proof.

      the reason this is still an issue today is that another holocaust may occur….not just of jews, but of christians and anyone else that ends up a victim in a nuclear war.

      we have to be aware of history, and past evils, so that we understand the horror enough not to allow the events to repeat themselves.

    • Bruce my heart goes out to you also.

      I had a teacher 30 years ago that was a survivor of the Holocaust as well. He still had his number tattooed on his arm.
      Though you may not receive these links at all, they are here for you any way’s.
      I agree that the Russian killings and death was tragic as well. I would never deny that fact.

      Any way’s I wish you Yeshua’s Shalom regarding all of this, and may you be blessed in His love.





  30. Rabbi’s reversal riles Shoa memorial event

    Organizers to vote on restoring ‘Hatikva’ to interfaith program

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    Rabbi Bernhard Rosenberg says omitting the Israeli anthem from the Holocaust commemoration would be “giving in to the current atmosphere of anti-Semitism.”
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    Rabbi Bernhard Rosenberg says omitting the Israeli anthem from the Holocaust commemoration would be “giving in to the current atmosphere of anti-Semitism.”

  31. Marianne,
    During my lifetime I’ve witnessed how wars are thoroughly misrepresented by the media & historians. Afghanistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, now Ukraine. What the media says, *while* these wars are happening, is 99% untrue. They report propaganda designed to support the state’s position, not the truth. So the chance of us being told the truth (by the BBC for example) about a war that ended over 60 years ago is negligible.

    I’m forced to question the official narrative. This vid is short and clear.
    “The “Holohoax” exposed in 30 minutes”

    From Deuteronomy 7:22., to Holocaust, Jasenovac and after Gaza!!!

    Atheist 100%!!!

  33. Where is a diference between biblical Jericho, Gaza, Falluja or Ahmici…!!!
    Bible is a most genocidal and criminal book of Benjamin Netaynau!


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