Iran will be defeated

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The book of Daniel describes an amazing two-fold scenario with past history foreshadowing end time powers.

In Daniel’s vision of the ram and the goat (8: 5-13):

Dan 8:3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had [two] horns: and the [two] horns [were] high; but one [was] higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

Dan 8:4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither [was there any] that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

Dan 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, a he goat came from the west across the surface of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat [had] a notable horn between his eyes.

Dan 8:6 And he [goat] came to the ram that had [two] horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

The ram is Medo Persia (Iran), and the Goat is the “kingdom of Greece.”

It predicts the conquest of Alexander the Great, and his successor Antiochus Epiphanes (the little horn) of the Selucid branch of his empire.

But the angel Gabriel explains to Daniel in verse 17:

Dan 8:17 …….., Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision.

There is another emphasis on latter day fulfillment in verses 19 and 23.

So this prophecy is not only about history, but about history repeating itself, and coming to a final conclusion.

Noteworthy above is

1. the ram has 2 horns

One for the present time, and

One for last, or later.

2. the goat comes from the west, across the face of the whole earth, and he does this without touching the ground.

(a) For early times, the enemy was the empire of Greece, but in the end times, who is also included in this empire?

For Alexander the Great, (the original horn) who fulfilled the prophecy first, it was not possible for him to travel without touching the ground, and he only came from Greece, not from across the face of the whole earth.

He marched on the ground until he arrived at his destination. It was his empire that was divided into 4 horns.

(b) For end times, the farthest point from Iran on the surface of the earth is the United States. But then, it does not say the goat traveled from the farthest point on the earth away from Persia.

Now, how does one travel, and have a war, without touching the ground? I would guess with guided missiles.

3. the goat defeats the ram, and breaks both horns with its one horn, and great power.

So, the ram (Persia –Iran) is defeated twice. Once in ancient history (first horn), and once in the end times (last horn).

But could the United States be part of a Grecian empire?

Is it talking about the USA, or some other more local nation, closer to Iran, that is part of the original territory.

It would seem like it would be either a nation from the original Greek territory, or a newer nation that can trace back to Greek origins.

The final “Little horn” from verse 7 is described as committing the abomination of desolation in ancient times, and seems to reemerge as a fierce leader of the latter day kingdom (verse 23), to repeat the indignation ( verse 19) at the “appointed time of the end.”

Obviously, it is not the same person, but it is the same kingdom, and personality type of the leader.

If we look at the map of the Grecian empire below, who would be the most likely choice as “goat” to defeat the Persian ram?

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Here are the countries today:

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However, to make it more complicated, here (below) is a map of the Persian empire. Many of the ancient empires overlapped each other as they conquered territory.

In this case the “goat” would have to come from outside of this territory to invade, and destroy it.

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Whoever the “goat” is, he will also act to “destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.” (verse 24)

He shall also “destroy many in their prosperity,” and rise against the Prince of Princes (Messiah), (verse 25). This would make him an Antichrist figure.

In the days and years ahead, it should be important to watch who comes against Iran (Persia) as the end time Goat, who appears to not only subdue Iran, but cause general destruction in the middle east.

To me, it seems like it would be either Syria or Turkey, due to other reasons which are for a different post. Maybe the USA or Europe is involved somehow, as well. Only time will tell.

As we watch all this unfold, if I am correct in seeing this, the key to the identity of the Antichrist will be his overpowering and defeat of Iran in the future.

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51 Responses to “Iran will be defeated”

  1. […] describes and amazing two-fold scenario, with past history foreshadowing end time powers. Click here for […]

  2. Hi Marianne,

    What you think of Antichrist in July 11th 2009? Here’s the link:

    • hi Gavriel

      That is next week. Well, I would expect something dramatic to occur to bring in the Antichrist.

      He wants attention, and admiration, so he is not coming in quietly.

      Maybe there will be middle east conflict, and he will be victorious, making him a temporary hero.

  3. I thought about possibility of Antichrist being a decendant of Amalek – arch enemy of the Jews; Remember Haman (decendant of king Agag of Amalek) was from Persia, Ahmadinejad’s threats to wipe out Israel parallel with those of Haman.

    As an arguement against those who see Antichrist as a Jew, because Prophet Daniel said that he wouldn’t regard the God of his fathers, but Ishmael, Esau and his grandson Amalek also could fall into this category, they were children of Avraham and Yitzkhak.

    • Gavirel

      It is very possible that the Palestinian arabs are Amalakites. The book of Obadiah describes the Edomites of the last days, and it fits the Palestinians perfectly – location and attitude (what’s yours is really mine).

      In the sixth century B.C., Nebuchadnezzar carried many Edomites of the Mount Seir region away captive to Babylon and other Babylonian territories. Perhaps that is why we find the city of Basra in Iraq—possibly a slight variation of the biblical Edomite city of Bozrah (Genesis 36:33; 1Chronicles 1:44; Isaiah 34:6; 63:1).

      It is thus likely that there are still Edomites in Iraq and scattered throughout the Middle East. During the laxity of Persian rule, Edomite wandering appears to have resumed.

      The chief tribe of Edom was Teman (see Obadiah 9), named after Esau’s eldest grandson (Genesis 36:10-15).

      And the rocky plateaus of Persia and Turkestan eventually became known as the land of Temani.

      In Turkestan in Central Asia was a city named Amalik, seemingly after Amalek.

      While the Turks appear to be a somewhat mixed people, it does seem that a large number of them are Edomites. The historical Hor Turks may be named after the Horites, who were closely associated with the Edomites in Genesis 36.

      Not all Muslims are Ishmaelites……

  4. Even earlier than Nebuchadnezzar, Sanheriv King of Assyria dispersed the nations and relocated them; Haman, decendant of Amalek, found in Persia is a good example of this.

    Next week President Obama arrives in Russia, I wonder if that is simehow connected.

    At the Correspondent’s Dinner in early May, 2009, alleged President Barack Hussein Obama announced to the world (bordering on blasphemy): “My first hundred days were very successful. So successful, that I believe my next hundred days will be so successful that I will be able to complete them in 72 days. And on the 73rd day, I will rest.”

  5. Obama’s 172 days in office will be complete on July 10, 2009, with the 173rd day, when he enters into “rest,” on July 11, 2009 — the very same day David Flynn expects the anti-Christ to be revealed.

    • gavriel

      I wonder if the 72 is some magic number…or code

      72 virgins in Islam for the martyr
      Date 72 AH / 691 CE beginning of Islam writings

  6. I know that 33 is a highest point man can achieve in this world by his own strength – without God, thus 33rd degree being the highest in masonry, our LORD was also crucified at the age of 33 as a ranson for all of man’s “achievements”.

    Why am I bringing this…66 has the same symbolism, but not of a single man, but humanity as a group, thus 66 is the starting point; 6=days of creation, 7=God’s wresting day; 66 + 6 = 72; 66 +7 = 73; Year 5766 is the begining of revelation for Mashiach ben Yosef; 5773 is the begining of revelation for Mashiach ben David; Also 100 – 72 = 28 (28 solar cycles in Judaism, last one was celebrated this Pesach);

  7. Here is an interesting story …
    If any of you are good with ##
    then this is fairly easy to add.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132194

  8. And here is another related story.
    Silvan you will like this one.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100001330/leaks-of-popes-new-social-encyclical-globalisation-not-evil-but-must-be-regulated/

    Well in time all is known concerning the affairs of man.
    Maybe all this is related to the word ‘nabu’

  9. 72? Please explain in specific way as you are able.. 🙂 Because I born on 1972…. and I find it striking odd that far too few was born on my day and date and year. It is 21 century nowadays and to be perfect honest, I like old days far better than nowadays 😡 Preferably without so much silly tech that we all truly do not need… lol 🙂 I thought it is G10… not G8 ( catching Abigail’s word of G8 summit ) Because I have been tracking through different out of country news instead of amercia news because they do not give 100 percent truth in it. So I search far and wide.. as much as I am able. 🙂 I am trying to catch up since this weekend is a rather hectic holiday weekend… Hope you all have a wonderful holiday weekend and be safe. God bless you all.

    • July 10th. is interesting for these known facts …

      1- It will be 172 days of the Obamas’ administration in office.

      2- It will be the 172 days that Obama himself spoke about.

      3- On July 10th we have the G-8 summit in Rome. (The headquarters of the uncircumcised.)

      4 – Obama will seek the ‘help’ of the pope with the ‘jewish state’.

      5 – The antichrist is revealed ///???????

      • Abigail

        I do not think the pope will declare Obama the Messiah, like the false prophet will do with the antichrist…..I think he is smart enough to know that Obama is not Jesus.

      • Correction on that …

        The G8 summit is to be held in ‘Aquilla’ and not in Rome.

        Irregardless Obama is to meet with Benedict in Rome.

        The constellation of Aquilla is also host to the tail of the ‘Serpent’.
        The Heavens declare many a mystery … don’t they???

  10. Tamera, The following is what I copied on to my clip-board from the internet site on the “G7”

    The G7 (also known as the G-7) is the meeting of the finance ministers from a group of seven industrialized nations. It was formed in 1976, when Canada joined the Group of Six: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, United Kingdom, and United States.[1] The finance ministers of these countries meet several times a year to discuss economic policies. Their work is supported by regular, functional meetings of officials, including the G7 Finance Deputies.[2]

    It is not to be confused with the G8, which is the annual meeting of the heads of government of the aforementioned nations, plus Russia.

    Now my input…
    This occurrence I believe is recorded in Revelation where RUSSIA, who instigated the setting up of a Socialist Organization right under the noses of you Americans to bring about a World-Wide Socialist Government via the UN, and repeat its atrocities of the Cold War era, only on a world-Wide scale.

    I believe that Russia is the Beast that “IS NOT [Ruling], but really IS!” [Pulling the strings] You can see it mentioned in its part played in the UN. – Rev.13:2. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of A BEAR, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
    …The BEAR is the Russian Mascot, just like the BALD EAGLE is for the USA.
    Russia is the BEAST that “is not YET IS” [In Power] – Rev.17:8. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast THAT WAS, and IS NOT, and YET IS.

    Russia will through the UN with US backing, rule this World for 3.5 years.
    Rev.17:10. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must CONTINUE a short space.

    …He [Russia through UN] will CONTINUE a Short Space.(How LONG?)
    Rev.13:5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to CONTINUE forty [and] two months. (i.e. 3.5 years?)

    …Even though RUSSIA is not Technically an Industrialized “financial” Nation like the other Members of the “G7”, it IS the one that turns the “G7” into the “G8”

    You mentioned the “G10”, but to my knowledge, there is only a “G20”, but I stand to be corrected.

    I agree with you, I prefer the 1950’s, even though we had it hard financially, but before the UN started meddling with our laws, we had far more freedom.
    Daniel 7:25. And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change TIMES and LAWS: and THEY shall be given into his hand until **a time and times and the dividing of time.

    …So you see Daniel also talks about the UN, who also changes “TIMES” …in the SUMMER to “Daylight Saving” [but so far, after 3 attempts, has failed to introduce it in 3 states of Australia, where I live because of people power]. Notice also **3 x plus a dividing of a time [3.5 years?] that “THEY” – [The world?] will be put under the UN spell?

    • Olaf,
      Your idea that Russia is the first beast of revelation is based on a misinterpretation of the three beasts mentioned in Rev.13:2.
      And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of A BEAR, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
      You obviously know that Daniel and Revelation go hand in hand and one refers to the other. (John refers to Daniel of course). You failed to connect the first three of Daniels “beasts” or kingdoms to rev 13. Remember that Babylon was the Lion, Medo-Persia the Bear and Greece was represented by the four headed leopard. Then came the simply “beast” of Rome. I hope you are on board with these since they are pretty much staples of prophecy at this point.
      In any case, in rev 13 we see John, living in the fourth “beast” of Rome and he is describing it by looking back at the three kingdoms that were absorbed by the roman empire – the beasts of Daniel.
      You also forget that all the prophetic times given by Daniel must be converted to real times where a day in prophecy equals and actual year. I you fail to do this the tribulation shrinks to an actual week and Daniels prophecy of 70 weeks turns to crap. So this beast must exist for 1260 years, and it comes from the roman empire and has ten horns (kings) which is how many countries the roman empire broke into. Then another little horn came up and took authority over the ten and plucked up 3 by the roots (wiped them out). In case you forgot your world history, when the roman empire ended, the Vatican was given religious authority over it and it became the Holy roman empire in 538 AD. The Vatican had a religious beef with 3 countries (the Heruli, Visigoths and Ostrogoths) and so they were completely destroyed, never to be seen again.
      The Holy Roman Empire lasted till 1898 when Napoleon tried to destroy the Vatican by taking the pope captive. He was the last Holy Roman Emperor and the empire lasted 1260 years, then died. But it was revived in 1929 when it once again was given nation status which it still has. Was, is not and yet Is.
      As for the changing of times and laws, this refers to GODS laws not silly civil laws of no consequence to the Lord. The Vatican removed the second commandment and moved the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Now THAT matters to God. These are the great blasphemies spoken of.
      Read rev 13 again and see if everything doesn’t fit the Holy Roman Empire and the Vatican. Forget Russia or any other country. God is concerned only about his own people and his church. He sees that it has gone terribly wrong and has become the Whore of Babylon and the errors will have to be destroyed. The catholic church is the woman (a church when used in prophecy) who rides the scarlet beast (the Vatican) and sits on 7 hills (Rome). Russia is nowhere in sight. This prophecy is almost completely fulfilled. Like most people you are looking forward to something that has already happened and so you have missed it. Look again, you will be amazed.

  11. Good afternoon. There is too much here to comment on with the limited time that I have at the moment, but it’s imperative that we get in close to the Lord Jesus and “hear what the Spirit sayeth unto the churches.” I’m familiar with the words from David Flynn and the comments from Mr Obama about resting after 72 days. I did not know that he was meeting the pope on July 10. hMMM.

    There is a brother here who is convinced that Mr Obama is the man of sin. I don’t go that far (yet) but there are definately events that demand monitoring. Whoever the man of sin is, it will be revealed to the saints at the proper moment.

    Blessings always in Jesus name.

    timbob

  12. Interesting insight, Olaf. I do notice one thing that have to be paying more attention closely and less confusion is.. track all the G-7 to G-20 and maybe we all can get an idea once it put all together to have an insight in it.. So, that way the truth can come out of the puzzle of all. Makes sense ? I hope so because I do love puzzles to put together. lol. Maybe everyone in here can pull that information and put it all together… Just a thought. 🙂 I am rather a truth seeker because I feel many layers of lies and those need to be removed.. and get to the truth for once and for all.
    UN is something or rather someone no one shall trust.. NOT even governments anywhere. Nowadays, far too many people in white house and even all over global are not to be trusted anymore.. They do not care about THEIR people in their country.. I see far too much and share the sorrows with others who lost loved ones and even lost their own lives for those governments.. Forgive me… every time I see people sent out to do the war or more… I just cringed because I knew and can feel the smirk and snicker behide the governments all over the global… Because they knew they have deceived those people…
    In Amercia, I might born in it but my heart is elsewhere because I have NO connection. I often wished that I am rich enough to travel all over and help others and teach others how to grow food and do things WITHOUT depending on distrusted governments so they can survive.. *sigh* I swear sometimes I began to think I have no heart anymore after breaking it so many times over. But emotions is still here ..:)

    For Timbob, Obama isn’t to be trusted.. watch him closely.. Other countries feared him. I learned that already… Russian feared him. China feared him.. I happened came cross yesterday reading newspaper.. and it is mentioned about Obama’s evil eye.. and I watched his facial and body language.. tsk.. He is the deceiver. He wanted us all to keep spend.. and spend some more until we all are crushed.. in the end.. who laughs ? He would. And we pay the price. Timbob, we all just for now watching him and his ” supporters ” and how he gets other countries their reactions and how they say things about him or such.. watch closely and carefully.. especially words does have double meaning. 🙂

    I pray we all would keep on working together along with Marianne to get to the bottom of every truth to be revealed as God wills it in his time. God bless you all. Any suggestions or ideals I might need to be corrected.. I welcome it. 🙂

  13. Don’t forget, the Knights Templar who became the masons, were based in Cyprus, and the Hospitallers at Rhodes.
    I note the link above comes from the “Telegraph” which also hosted the “blackjack” slideshow, which was a Jesuit psy-op.
    So i’m guessing all these “old” institutions are still playing their games 😦
    I’m also watching the 172 day thing, but other things are saying watch for tomorrow, the 7/7 …
    peace

  14. wow, if the antichrist will defeat iran, clearly the man will win the favor of many because iran is basically a bad figure, and honestly I would be almost deceived too,
    I would be ora a nice guy! however, I do believe is somebody from europe, europe has been always on power, we know that USA will no longer be as powerful never again as it was before september 11, so my guess is something connected to the Greek region, we know china is powerful, germany is always suspicious, i say this as a Jew :)) and the guy get to be the head of UEN, the one world leader, it will be easy to know who the political power will be, now the false prophet, i believe it will be a false messiah suppose reigning and seated at the third temple in jerusalem…

  15. Marianne, can you please stop sending me links / updates etc?

    Thank you

  16. … well America …. following your faith is not that important!

    Do not listen to the false prophet.

    Everyday is a sham …

  17. No one knows the hour or the day. You can know the season. The season started in 1948 That season can be 40,70 or 120 years.

  18. Also, one good thing to remember when the anti-christ returns. If you are not turned to your spiritual body in the blink of an eye, you know it is him. He comes before Christ. He can bring lightening from the heavens. He will deceive. He will say I have come to fly you away. But remember he will come first and then Jesus will come. 666 – Six seal, six vial and six trump.

  19. Clarify: Comment above. If you are not turned to your spiritual body in the blink of an eye you know it is the anti christ that will decieve many. When you see Christ, you will be turned to your spiritual body instantly.

  20. Hi EME: Can you please explain what you mean? I don’t understand.
    Thanks, Ian

    • hi Ian.

      I think EME means that false christs will come. If one comes and says he is the Christ, and you are not raptured, and you remain physically the same, then he is a fake, since when Jesus comes, we expect to be transformed into our spiritual body.

  21. M, you are leaving out the part where the goat’s kingdom is broken into 4 parts, and out of one OF THEM the antichrist will arise…verse 9 …and yes, Alexander the great ‘s kingdom was brken into 4 parts, and so we are looking for the A/C to come from one of the 4 parts…BUt WHICH ONE? (thats the part that applies to the end, not the goat) Its either assyria or Europe…now it states that he shall grow in power to the south, to the east and towards Israel, so this makes europe impossibale as it is east of where he will arise from…it would be like saying the antichrist will arise east and east…..According to this map then, the A/C will arise and grow in power to the south, to the east and towards ISRAEL! which make him have to come from asia Minor…..I say that the A/C will arise in Asia Minor, which was one of the 4 kingdoms of Alex the great. And it may well be Gog who will be the A/C, and if so he will be allied with Iran NOT ATTACK IRAN BETH TOGARMAH …..(EZ 38) The consistant picture of the scriptures is that the A/C will invade and Isreal at peace in the middle of the final 7 of daniel. Then he will take away the sacrifice. then there will be 3 and 1/2 years of great tribulation and the Lord will return…NOW WHERE WILL THE A/C invade from? EUROPE? no From northern nations who are Islamic! Joel even states that when the Lord comes back, he will drive out the northern army. Isaiah, the assyrian (from the north)invades on the day. Ezekiel, Gog who is NORTh of Israel invades on the day. Jeremiah, a northern army invades on the day of the Lord. Many end time texts say that a northern army invades when people are saying peace…which has to be at the middle of daniel’s final 7. You also make a classic error when you said in another article that the antchrist attacks the kings of the north…If you read carefully, you will find that the A/C of daniel 11 is the king of the north, and that whole chapter is about the battles of the king of the north verses the king of the south.

    LOVE Alan Brooks

    8 The goat became very great, but at the height of his power his large horn was broken off, and in its place four prominent horns grew up toward the four winds of heaven.

    9 Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land. 10 It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them. 11 It set itself up to be as great as the Prince of the host; it took away the daily sacrifice from him, and the place of his sanctuary was brought low. 12 Because of rebellion, the host of the saints [a] and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.

  22. I think you are taking the original prophecy way too literal. Remember that the greek empire was replaced by the roman empire. It can’t be revived. The roman empire however has been revived (EU) and fits the “King of the North” description much better than any mid-eastern or islamic country. Plus the war of Daniel will become a world war, not an Islamic civil war which the rest of the world would most likely stay out of.
    What if Iran (king of the south) were to withhold its oil from Europe as supplies start to run out in 20 years or so. Wouldn’t they go to war rather than have their economies grind to a halt? The US and China have already declared to the world that in that situation, they would go to war. So if Europe takes over (defeats) the Arab oil countries, china (king of the east) should retaliate and defeat them. Whether or not this is the prophecy does not matter as I believe that this scenario will happen regardless and many political analysts would agree with me.
    Try running your scenario with current world conditions using whatever Islamic countries you feel are the likely candidates and tell us how you think the prophecy will play out. That way we can keep our eyes on the news and follow the prophecy to completion. It would help.

  23. hi james,

    It would not literally be Greeks, but the modern countries that cover this territory today. The Roman portion is only a small part of it. Ancient empires overlapped in territory sometimes.

    Daniel 7 which represented 3 kingdoms or empires which most conservative scholars identify as:

    First Beast – a lion with eagle’s wings – Babylonian empire

    Second Beast – a bear raised on its side – Medo-Persian empire

    Third Beast – a leopard with four heads and wings – Grecian empire

    Rev 13:

    The body of a leopard – Seleucid and Ptolemaic dynasties of the Grecian empire which included the regions of Turkey, Syria,Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Egypt.

    The feet of a bear – Persian empire which included the regions of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan East of the Euphrates river, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey and Egypt West of the Euphrates.

    The mouth of a lion – Babylonian empire which included the region of Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon.

    I do not see how anyone gets “just Europe” out of this.

    here is a map of the ancient grecian empire: Notice that the western portion was also under Roman rule as well.

  24. You are looking at the description from a totally different angle than I am. Daniel described the 4 beasts – each one succeeding the previous one by conquest and absorption. So Rome was a conglomeration of the previous three so it contained the symbols Daniel had used to describe them. He was picking up where Daniel left off, not trying to describe some brand new end time empire that now exists where the old ones once were. He just wanted the reader to know for sure he was referring to the roman empire mentioned by Daniel. Guess he should have been more clear about it. Once you jump away from the roman empire, everything fall apart. You can not see that rev 13 is history because it does not apply to the Islamic world. I’m afraid you will be waiting till hell freezes over before your prophesy ever comes to pass. Please don’t let the real truth pass you by. Keep looking into all the possibilities and hopefully the light bulb will come on for you before it’s too late.
    Jim

    • hi James

      I guess we will see what happens. Much of the territories of the ancient empires overlapped, so it is possible that more than one interpretation can apply.

      What is important is that a system of evil will come to power, and act to crush the righteous. If we understand the difference between holiness and evil, then we will recognize this difference, and avoid the evil.

      Right now, we can see various groups or systems fitting the “evil” description. We are just debating which one will completely take over the others, and dominate.

  25. You know what I think may actually happen? Well I guess I will tell you. I think that the devil is so smart and so devious he will find a way to deceive even the very elect. I believe the whole world will worship the beast. Just as the bible says. I think that while everyone is expecting one thing the devil will throw us a curve and come in a completely unexpected manner. He will be right in front of our noses and we won’t even see him.
    And the evil you speak of will not be the kind of evil you will be able to recognize. It will be so subtle you won’t even notice it. You may not even believe it is evil, it may be so well cloaked. While we are zigging the devil will zag and capture us all. Our confidence in our beliefs will do us in and we will be lost.
    Sounds like doomsday, but then isn’t that what prophecy predicts?
    All I’m saying that you need to be careful in what you are looking for. What is coming may not be what you expect.
    May God bless us all.

  26. You never know what you are going to come up with when you go to You Tube. I was listening to Jon Courson on Zechariah 1-3 today.

    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/holiness-love-of-god-miracles-dreams-and-visions/

    Something that stuck out to me was he mentioned the Myrtle tree. The Myrtle tree represents “Israel” He said it wasn’t very tall, is was insignificant but just like the evergreen, it never dies and in the spring it produces a blossom and when you crush it it is very fragrant.

    If none of you have read it in:

    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/holiness-love-of-god-miracles-dreams-and-visions/

    Marianne smelled a rose during a service that was very fragrant but was not present.

    was does that have to do with this post?

    I typed in mrytle tree and Israel on You Tube and I got this video:

    Iran comes down with a virus
    code contains the word “myrtus”, which is a reference to the myrtle tree. Myrtle’s Hebrew word is Hadassah and it was the birth name of Esther, …

    Marianne;
    You might want to reconsider listening to these solid Bible teachers: Jon Courson and J. Vernon McGee. God might speak to you through them. You don’t have to sit down and listen. I listen to J. Vernon McGee in the car on the radio on the way to work. Jon is on the radio too. Just a suggestion.

  27. From an email sent to me..computer virus designed to destroy Iran’s nuclear program.

    In the 20th century, this would have been a job for James Bond.

    The mission: Infiltrate the highly advanced, securely guarded enemy
    headquarters where scientists in the clutches of an evil master are
    secretly building a weapon that can destroy the world. Then render that
    weapon armless and escape undetected.

    But in the 21st century, Bond doesn’t get the call. Instead, the job is
    handled by a suave and very sophisticated secret computer worm, a jumble of
    code called Stuxnet, which in the last year has not only crippled Iran’s
    nuclear program but has caused a major rethinking of computer security
    around the globe.

    Intelligence agencies, computer security companies and the nuclear industry
    have been trying to analyze the worm since it was discovered in June by a
    Belarus-based company that was doing business in Iran. And what they’ve all
    found, says Sean McGurk, the Homeland Security Department’s acting director
    of national cyber security and communications integration, is a “game
    changer.”

    The construction of the worm was so advanced, it was “like the arrival of
    an F-35 into a World War I battlefield,” says Ralph Langner, the computer
    expert who was the first to sound the alarm about Stuxnet. Others have
    called it the first “weaponized” computer virus.

    Simply put, Stuxnet is an incredibly advanced, undetectable computer worm
    that took years to construct and was designed to jump from computer to
    computer until it found the specific, protected control system that it
    aimed to destroy: Iran’s nuclear enrichment program.

    The target was seemingly impenetrable; for security reasons, it lay several
    stories underground and was not connected to the World Wide Web. And that
    meant Stuxnet had to act as sort of a computer cruise missile: As it made
    its passage through a set of unconnected computers, it had to grow and
    adapt to security measures and other changes until it reached one that
    could bring it into the nuclear facility.

    When it ultimately found its target, it would have to secretly manipulate
    it until it was so compromised it ceased normal functions.
    And finally, after the job was done, the worm would have to destroy itself
    without leaving a trace..

    That is what we are learning happened at Iran’s nuclear facilities — both
    at Natanz, which houses the centrifuge arrays used for processing uranium
    into nuclear fuel, and, to a lesser extent, at Bushehr, Iran’s nuclear
    power plant.

    At Natanz, for almost 17 months, Stuxnet quietly worked its way into the
    system and targeted a specific component — the frequency converters made
    by the German equipment manufacturer Siemens that regulated the speed of
    the spinning centrifuges used to create nuclear fuel. The worm then took
    control of the speed at which the centrifuges spun, making them turn so
    fast in a quick burst that they would be damaged but not destroyed. And at
    the same time, the worm masked that change in speed from being discovered
    at the centrifuges’ control panel.

    At Bushehr, meanwhile, a second secret set of codes, which Langner called
    “digital warheads,” targeted the Russian-built power plant’s massive steam
    turbine.

    Here’s how it worked, according to experts who have examined the worm:

    –The nuclear facility in Iran runs an “air gap” security system, meaning
    it has no connections to the Web, making it secure from outside
    penetration. Stuxnet was designed and sent into the area around Iran’s
    Natanz nuclear power plant — just how may never be known — to infect a
    number of computers on the assumption that someone working in the plant
    would take work home on a flash drive, acquire the worm and then bring it
    back to the plant.

    –Once the worm was inside the plant, the next step was to get the computer
    system there to trust it and allow it into the system. That was
    accomplished because the worm contained a “digital certificate” stolen from
    JMicron, a large company in an industrial park in Taiwan. (When the worm
    was later discovered it quickly replaced the original digital certificate
    with another certificate, also stolen from another company, Realtek, a few
    doors down in the same industrial park in Taiwan.)

    –Once allowed entry, the worm contained four “Zero Day” elements in its
    first target, the Windows 7 operating system that controlled the overall
    operation of the plant. Zero Day elements are rare and extremely valuable
    vulnerabilities in a computer system that can be exploited only once. Two
    of the vulnerabilities were known, but the other two had never been
    discovered. Experts say no hacker would waste Zero Days in that manner.

    –After penetrating the Windows 7 operating system, the code then targeted
    the “frequency converters” that ran the centrifuges. To do that it used
    specifications from the manufacturers of the converters. One was Vacon, a
    Finnish Company, and the other Fararo Paya, an Iranian company. What
    surprises experts at this step is that the Iranian company was so secret
    that not even the IAEA knew about it.

    –The worm also knew that the complex control system that ran the
    centrifuges was built by Siemens, the German manufacturer, and —
    remarkably — how that system worked as well and how to mask its activities
    from it.

    –Masking itself from the plant’s security and other systems, the worm then
    ordered the centrifuges to rotate extremely fast, and then to slow down
    precipitously. This damaged the converter, the centrifuges and the
    bearings, and it corrupted the uranium in the tubes. It also left Iranian
    nuclear engineers wondering what was wrong, as computer checks showed no
    malfunctions in the operating system.

    Estimates are that this went on for more than a year, leaving the Iranian
    program in chaos. And as it did, the worm grew and adapted throughout the
    system. As new worms entered the system, they would meet and adapt and
    become increasingly sophisticated..

    During this time the worms reported back to two servers that had to be run
    by intelligence agencies, one in Denmark and one in Malaysia. The servers
    monitored the worms and were shut down once the worm had infiltrated
    Natanz. Efforts to find those servers since then have yielded no results.

    This went on until June of last year, when a Belarusan company working on
    the Iranian power plant in Beshehr discovered it in one of its machines. It
    quickly put out a notice on a Web network monitored by computer security
    experts around the world. Ordinarily these experts would immediately begin
    tracing the worm and dissecting it, looking for clues about its origin and
    other details.

    But that didn’t happen, because within minutes all the alert sites came
    under attack and were inoperative for 24 hours.

    “I had to use e-mail to send notices but I couldn’t reach everyone. Whoever
    made the worm had a full day to eliminate all traces of the worm that might
    lead us them,” Eric Byres, a computer security expert who has examined the
    Stuxnet. “No hacker could have done that.”

    Experts, including inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency,
    say that, despite Iran’s claims to the contrary, the worm was successful in
    its goal: causing confusion among Iran’s nuclear engineers and disabling
    their nuclear program.

    Because of the secrecy surrounding the Iranian program, no one can be
    certain of the full extent of the damage. But sources inside Iran and
    elsewhere say that the Iranian centrifuge program has been operating far
    below its capacity and that the uranium enrichment program had “stagnated”
    during the time the worm penetrated the underground facility. Only 4,000 of
    the 9,000 centrifuges Iran was known to have were put into use. Some
    suspect that is because of the critical need to replace ones that were
    damaged.

    And the limited number of those in use dwindled to an estimated 3,700 as
    problems engulfed their operation. IAEA inspectors say the sabotage better
    explains the slowness of the program, which they had earlier attributed to
    poor equipment manufacturing and management problems. As Iranians struggled
    with the setbacks, they began searching for signs of sabotage. From inside
    Iran there have been unconfirmed reports that the head of the plant was
    fired shortly after the worm wended its way into the system and began
    creating technical problems, and that some scientists who were suspected of
    espionage disappeared or were executed. And counter intelligence agents
    began monitoring all communications between scientists at the site,
    creating a climate of fear and paranoia.

    Iran has adamantly stated that its nuclear program has not been hit by the
    bug. But in doing so it has backhandedly confirmed that its nuclear
    facilities were compromised. When Hamid Alipour, head of the nation’s
    Information Technology Company, announced in September that 30,000 Iranian
    computers had been hit by the worm but the nuclear facilities were safe, he
    added that among those hit were the personal computers of the scientists at
    the nuclear facilities. Experts say that Natanz and Bushehr could not have
    escaped the worm if it was in their engineers’ computers.

    “We brought it into our lab to study it and even with precautions it spread
    everywhere at incredible speed,” Byres said.

    “The worm was designed not to destroy the plants but to make them
    ineffective. By changing the rotation speeds, the bearings quickly wear out
    and the equipment has to be replaced and repaired. The speed changes also
    impact the quality of the uranium processed in the centrifuges creating
    technical problems that make the plant ineffective,” he explained.

    In other words the worm was designed to allow the Iranian program to
    continue but never succeed, and never to know why.

    One additional impact that can be attributed to the worm, according to
    David Albright of the Institute for Science and International Studies, is
    that “the lives of the scientists working in the facility have become a
    living hell because of counter-intelligence agents brought into the plant” to
    battle the breach. Ironically, even after its discovery, the worm has
    succeeded in slowing down Iran’s reputed effort to build an atomic weapon.
    And Langer says that the efforts by the Iranians to cleanse Stuxnet from
    their system “will probably take another year to complete,” and during that
    time the plant will not be able to function anywhere normally.
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    Additional info at:

  28. Iranian warships coming to Mediterranean and Red Seas

    Less than 24 hours after the breakdown of its nuclear dialogue with the six world powers in Istanbul, Iran announced plans Sunday, January 23, to send a fleet of warships, including a home-made destroyer, on operational and intelligence-gathering missions to the Red Sea and on to the Mediterranean through the Suez Canal. Parts of the fleet will in fact be deployed in the three waters around Israel’s southern and western shores.

    It is a rapid response to the arrival of the USS Enterprise carrier with a strike group carrying 6,000 sailors and marines and 80 warplanes in the Mediterranean at the end of last week on its way to the Arabian Sea opposite Iran. British ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair’s call on the West to stop apologizing and react to Iran with force was not lost on the rulers of the Islamic Republic.

    The Navy Commander, Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari spoke of three or four vessels including Iran’s first home-made destroyer, Jamaran, with back-up operational units standing by for urgent support missions. His deputy, Rear-Admiral Gholam Reza Bi-Gham said the deployment would last about a year and at some future time, long-distance submarines would join the fleet.

    Iran recently purchased three Kilo class submarines from Russia and is using them in the Persian Gulf. For two years, Iranian military shipyards have been building miniature submarines, war ships and fast assault craft. Most Western naval give them low ratings in performance especially in view of their outdated electronics. However, if deployed in support of the warships assigned to the Mediterranean and Red Seas, those mini-submarines and assault craft could be extremely troublesome and give plenty of headaches to American, Israel and Egyptian naval commanders

    Editor’s Note: It is self evident that Iran is positioning their naval forces for an all out war with Israel, and they clearly recognize they will be in combat with American and European naval forces in the region. These forces presently include the Israeli and Egyptian assets mentioned in the above news, but also include the French and German military which is positioned nearby due to the Iranian modeled revolution which just occurred in Tunisia.

    Although military analysts rank these “mini subs” as antiquated, perhaps this would be a good time to remind the world of the tactical mindset of the Iranian military. During the 8 year long war with Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Iran commonly utilized suicide bombers, promised a place in Allah’s heaven, to destroy multi-million dollar hardware such as tanks and artillery emplacements.

    It’s hardly implausible to think these Iranian manufactured mini subs don’t need the expensive electronics required to be state of the art, as Iran has plenty of martyrs to field suicide missions. Furthermore, If a suicide bomber is willing to die to kill 200 of the enemy with conventional explosives, why not kill 2 million with a nuclear device — the very capability that is stirring the conflict in the first place.

    The fact is, all these steps have been thought out and planned for a very long time, and the fact that it is prophesied that Iran will lose this conflict is little solace, for in the process, the prophets also tell of a great world power that will receive a “deadly wound” — an event that will very likely occur before the year is out.

  29. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer42.html
    http://www.eclectica.org/v1n1/reviews/wharton_plot.html

  30. Iran warships enter mediterranean sea

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/18/israel-puts-navy-on-alert-while-iranian-warships-enter-mediterranean-sea/

  31. Daniel 8 has not yet been fulfilled. It had nothing to do with Alexander the Great or Antiochus Epiphanes. It clearly states that the vision concerns the time of the end. Read verses 17 and 18 below and listen to the Holy Spirit and not man’s teaching (see Isaiah 2). Jesus is Lord!
    Daniel 8:
    15 While I, Daniel, was watching the vision and trying to understand it, there before me stood one who looked like a man. 16 And I heard a man’s voice from the Ulai calling, “Gabriel, tell this man the meaning of the vision.”
    17 As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. “Son of man,” he said to me, “understand that the vision concerns the time of the end.”18 While he was speaking to me, I was in a deep sleep, with my face to the ground. Then he touched me and raised me to my feet.
    19 He said: “I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.

    • gabriel

      parts of daniel are somewhat about alexander….because he was the foreshadowing of what was to come in the end times….

      god tends to give us history lessons to give us a mental picture, so later, we will recognize the predicted event when it is in our faces..

      but

      God specifically names the Medo-Persian and Greek empires in Daniel 8:20-21 and 10:20–11:4.

      The first half of chapter 8 is a highly symbolic passage about a ram and a goat. The ram had two horns, one longer than the other, representing the empire of the Medes and the Persians (Daniel 8:20), and “none could rescue from his power. He did as he pleased and became great” (Daniel 8:4).

      Then a goat “came from the west” (Daniel 8:5) with a single horn between its eyes. The horn represents the king, Alexander.
      The goat killed the ram and “became very great, but at the height of his power his large horn was broken off” (Daniel 8:8) – a prediction of Alexander’s untimely death. In Daniel’s vision, the single horn is replaced with four new horns, which are “four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power” (Daniel 8:22).

      The four new kingdoms are mentioned again in Daniel 11:4, which says that “his [Alexander’s] empire will be broken up and parceled out toward the four winds of heaven. It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the power he exercised.” These passages describe, two centuries in advance, precisely what happened to Alexander and his empire.

      Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Alexander-the-Great.html#ixzz3c5qKFOfc

      daniel 11 is like this in a way..the first 25 verses set the historical stage, then verses 27-29 switch to the “appointed time” where the story concludes.

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