Rabbinic Prophecies over Jerusalem

 

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Some “modern” rabbinic prophecies seem to be proving very accurate about Jerusalem.

So, what is next?

Acknowledgement: This content was sent to me by Edda through an email. In the email, this person was quoted:

How Soon,” by Pastor F. M. Riley – Jim Bramlett

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Daniel – 69th & 70th week

The Lord Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey on the 10th day of Abib [Nisan] nearly 2,000 years ago in exact fulfillment of His appearance as the Messiah [King] predicted in Daniel 9:25, bringing the 69 weeks of Daniel to fulfillment on that exact day.

Four days later He was crucified [cut off] in direct fulfillment of Daniel 9:26(a). The Lord Himself verified this truth three times in Luke 19, verses 40, 42, and 44.

Then knowing how precise the Lord is all through His inspired Word, I see no Scriptural reason why the 70th week of Daniel may not commence right where the 69th week left off, with only the 2,000 years of GRACE intervening.

If this should be the case [?], then the Tribulation period [the 70th week of Daniel] will begin on Abib 11 on the Jewish calendar which this year begins at sundown in Israel on March 25th. This date therefore then looms on the horizon as a distinct “possibility.”

Is 2010 the year? We may not know the year, but the season seems to point to Passover.

Quite significantly, the Jews back in November began building an altar according to the exact specifications set forth in the Scriptures. That altar is now complete!

On January 12th KorbanPesach.org, a committee of the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem, sent an invitation to Jews all over the world to come to Jerusalem on Passover this year to reinstitute the actual, literal sacrifice of the Paschal Lamb.

They plan to buy enough lambs so that every Jew who attends will be able to partake of the meat of their Paschal lamb exactly as specified in Exodus 12.

They are anticipating at least a million Jews coming to Jerusalem to observe the Passover this year, which will occur on March 29-30.

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Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel

In 1217 the Jewish Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel prophesied that the Ottoman Turks would rule over the holy city of Jerusalem for eight Jubilees.

A Jubilee is a period of 50 years according to Leviticus 25:8-13. Eight Jubilees would then be 400 years.

Sure enough, 300 years later in 1517 the Ottoman Turks seized control of the city of Jerusalem and ruled over it for the next 400 years.

They were finally driven out of the city and the holy land in 1917 by the Allied forces under the command of General George Allenby.

The Rabbi’s prophecy about the 400 years was fulfilled exactly to the year.

The Rabbi had also prophesied that during the ninth Jubilee Jerusalem would be a “no-man’s land.”

This is exactly what happened from 1917 to 1967, due to the fact that the holy land was placed under British Mandate in 1917 by the League of Nations and literally “belonged” to no nation.

Even after Israel’s war of independence in 1948-49 Jerusalem was still divided by a strip of land running right through the heart of the city, with Jordan controlling the eastern part of the city and Israel controlling the western part of the city.

That strip of land was considered and even called “no-man’s land” by both the Israelis and the Jordanians.

Anyone even stepping into that strip would be shot down.

Regarding the division of Jerusalem, it was not until the Six Day War in 1967 when the entire west bank of the holy land was conquered by the Israeli army that the whole city of Jerusalem passed back into the possession of Israel.

So once again the prophecy made by the Rabbi 750 years previously was fulfilled to the letter.

But that is still not the end of the matter.

The Rabbi also prophesied that during the 10th Jubilee Jerusalem would be under the control of the Jews and the Messianic “end times” would begin.

The 10th Jubilee began in 1967 and will be concluded in 2017.

The Rabbi’s prophecy has been fulfilled to the letter right up to this present day.

There is then no Scriptural reason to believe it will not continue to be fulfilled exactly as it was given, until the conclusion of the seven year Tribulation in 2017.

This then means that the pre-tribulation resurrection and rapture of New Testament believers will occur this very year; 2010, and that the Messiah and Savior of Israel will return and establish His Millennial Kingdom in 2017, again fulfilling to the letter the Rabbi’s prophecy.

Glory to God! Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! Jesus is coming for His people VERY SOON! Praise the God of glory! Thank God for the “blessed hope.”

But this could also mean that after, not before, 2017, Messiah will come, which starts a new Jubilee.

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Rabbi Vilna Gaon

During the 18th century [the 1700’s] Rabbi Vilna Gaon prophesied that the Hurva Synagogue in Jerusalem, probably the most magnificent Jewish Synagogue in the entire world, would be destroyed and rebuilt twice, destroyed yet again and built a third time.

He prophesied that when it was rebuilt the third time, then construction would begin on the [third… ?] Jewish Temple.

The Hurva Synagogue was first destroyed by the Muslims shortly after it was originally built.

A hundred years later it was rebuilt a second time.

Then it was destroyed for the second time by the Jordanian army during Israel’s war of independence in 1948-49. It lay in ruins until 2001!

That year the Israeli government and the Jewish people in Israel began rebuilding it again. Now here is the fascinating relation to end-time Bible prophecy…….

The Hurva Synagogue has just been completed, and is scheduled to be dedicated and officially opened in a grand ceremony in Jerusalem on March 15, 2010.

Significantly, the Jewish Rabbinate in Jerusalem has already announced that the plans for rebuilding the Jewish Temple will be presented to the nation of Israel and the Jewish people on March 16, 2010.

The Rabbi’s prophecy wins again!

Glory to God! Thank you Lord Jesus! Praise the Lord! Hallelujah! O glory be to God!

Our Lord’s coming for His people is right at the door! Read Revelation 3:8.

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Conclusion & Thoughts

Acknowledged is many other ancient prophets besides Daniel.

Here, the emphasis is on the prophecies of the 2 Rabbis.

2010?

There are other events I would have expected to occur first before the tribulation started, but I may be wrong.

I am waiting for a “middle east disturbance” which might cause the uncovering of the “fierce leader” to come. Maybe, I am wrong about the timing, or maybe this will occur in 2010.

I would also like to confirm when each Jubilee cycle actually starts and ends. It seems logical that the Messiah would begin his own cycle.

But 2010 is a year to be watchful. We will see what happens next.

But in the meantime, we are running out of time.

I am concerned for lost loved ones.

Bow your head and your heart before the Lord, and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your heart, and grant you true repentance, and save you, cleanse you, and make you one of His children.

Pray for your families.

The ONLY way anyone is ever “accounted worthy” is to have the “righteousness of Christ” imputed him.

God bless everyone.

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374 Responses to “Rabbinic Prophecies over Jerusalem”

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    • So it turns out the rapture did not happen in 2010
      My interpretation for Judah Ben Samuel’s prophecy is that the rapture must take place by 2017. “By.” I hope I’m right. Today is 07/02/2015. God is waiting this long (2,000 years plus since the resurrection of Jesus Christ) because He wants to rapture as MANY Christians as He can. If I were God, I’d want to wait till the percentage of Christians on earth was at its optimum before rapturing.

      • I am with you on this.

      • There have always been three options for the Rapture.

        First the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” which, as you correctly say, did not happen and neither did the Mid-Tribulation Rapture, which would have been around 2013/14

        But let’s be reasonable. You cannot be “caught up in the air to meet Jesus” until he actually arrives and if that is going to be in 2017 then the Rapture is going to be then.

        There can be no doubt that we arecurrently in the period of The Tribulation, and it’s getting worse by the day, so hopefully, Jesus will be here in 2 years!

  2. http://www.waytozion.org/video/stream/timeline/timeline.html

    “Daniels’ Timeline” has 2010 to 2017 as the last 7 years/both Jewish and Roman Calendars (our calendar) match exactly..

    • Interesting post, which contains some precious bits of information regarding Jubilee years.

      “So once again the prophecy made by the Rabbi 750 years previously was fulfilled to the letter. But that is still not the end of the matter.

      The Rabbi also prophesied that during the 10th Jubilee Jerusalem would be under the control of the Jews and the Messianic “end times” would begin.

      The 10th Jubilee began in 1967 and will be concluded in 2017.

      The Rabbi’s prophecy has been fulfilled to the letter right up to this present day.nThere is then no Scriptural reason to believe it will not continue to be fulfilled exactly as it was given, until the conclusion of the seven year Tribulation in 2017.

      This then means…that the Messiah and Savior of Israel will return and establish His Millennial Kingdom in 2017, again fulfilling to the letter the Rabbi’s prophecy. ”

      Always good to read a Rabbi’s understanding of Jubilee years (1917 to 1967, 1967-2017), which match up with:

      Revelation (12:1-5), sign in the heavens (September 29, 2011, Feast of Trumpets).

      Matthew 24 fig tree generation (1947 UN declaration estabishing Israel + generation of 70 years per Psalm 90:10), 2017.

      First seal opening Feast of Tabernacles, October 9,  2009 (as he continues his ride, conquering and to conquer).

      Second seal open with “Arab Spring”, December 2010 through today as we see  in Egypt and Syria.

      Just need that economic seal #3 to fully open. The Euro debt crises in Greece, Spain and Italy has not quite tipped the scales. Let’s see if this “economic cliff” (US debt) is the catalyst. Maybe, Argentina’s pending insolvency (repeat of the 70s), tips the world’s banking/currency scales. It will not be long and it will be significant.

      Yes, the “Daniel’s Timeline” is worth watching.

  3. An Altar … a High Priest ..

  4. In April of 2005, I heard the ‘supernatural’ crying forth of Elias, the forerunner, saying, ‘Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make His path straight.’ Since the forerunner is already working, we know the time is near. Governments are aligning..including the goverment of America, setting inorder the ten kings who be of one mind and give their authority to Anti-Christ….at the beginning of the 70th week. Signs in Israel, signs of increased geological turbulance, signs of increased evil, signs of increased apostasy, signs of increased hostility against the saints…all pointing the nearness of time of Jacob’s Trouble as it is known to the Jews…and the time of Tribulation as it is known to the Gentiles. BUT EARS DO NOT ‘HEAR.’ EYES DO NOT ‘SEE.’ GOD DESIRES THAT WE BE EMPOWERED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT…THE ‘authentic’ one. Not satan’s replicated one which claims ‘tongues’ as the evidence of the indwelling Holy Spirit..but has no fruits of Love and Power.

  5. Very interesting and scary at the same time!

  6. i Truly believe this will happen very very soon. I had a dream the other night that a friend came to me that I had not spoken to in over 24 years and came to give me the message that there would be a war. Wierd… I am scared and happy!

  7. How is relative to the Red Heifer and grain offering? Is this temple the temple spoken off in prophesies or another temple altogether? What about the following scriptures:

    (Act 1:7) And he said unto them, It is not for you to know times or seasons, which the Father hath set within His own authority.
    (Mat 24:36) But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.

    We scoff at obvious nut-jobs like Harold Camping and others but fail to apply the same scrutiny to others. I’m not saying there is no merit, in fact I pray everyday for CHRIST to come and take us away, but I cannot ignore scriptures and replace them with a couple of fulfilled prophesies. The bible has literally over a 1000 prophesies that have been fulfilled compared to the couple we’ve seen referenced in this blog. Pray for wisdom my friends!

    • hello wabd

      I agree with you. we should not try to find an exact time.

      We only try to get an estimated time or season, so we can prepare better, and try to help loved ones be ready.

    • We are also told to watch and be aware of the time & season. We may not know the exact day and hour, but we can certainly be aware of potential timing because we are also told He will not come as a thief in the night for those who are watching.

  8. Brothers and Sisters!
    Iam sorry to say, but there will be no secret rapture!
    The apostle Paul reveals that the coming of Christ to this
    earth will be as follows:

    Paul tells us:

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
    “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a
    shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the “trump”
    of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we
    which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
    them in the “clouds”, to meet the Lord in the air: and so
    shall we ever be with the Lord.”

    1 Corinthians 15:51-52

    “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but
    we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of
    an eye, at the last trump: for the “trumpet” shall sound,
    and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be
    changed.”

    1Thess4 and 1Cor15 speak of the same event, the last trumpet of Jesus and the first resurrection.
    The rapture is at the FIRST RESURRECTION .

    In Rev. 20 the first resurrection is described:

    4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

    The souls are raised who were martyred by the beast.
    These will reign and judge with Christ for the 1000 years.

    But not all are martyred, some will be according to Paul “alive and REMAIN”. From what “remain”,
    remain not being martyred.

    And The Lord Jesus Christ Himself reveals what His coming
    will be like:

    Matthew 24:30-31

    “…then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
    and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they
    shall see the Son of man coming in the “clouds” of heaven
    with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels
    with a great sound of a “trumpet”, and they shall gather
    together his elect from the four winds, from one end of
    heaven to the other.”

    Christ declared that when He returns the second time, it
    would be with a sign; all people on the earth would see Him
    coming in the “clouds” of heaven and with power and great
    glory; the great majority of all the people of the earth
    would not be happy, but would mourn; there would be a great
    sound of a “trumpet”; and God would gather His obedient
    elect to Himself from every part of the world.

    All of the above Scriptures are in complete harmony with
    each other regarding what it will be like when Christ comes
    back to this earth in the last days. Signs will occur just
    prior to His arrival. Every eye on the earth, every person
    of every nation and tribe will see Him return in power and
    great glory; there will be great noise, “a shout”,
    a heavenly voice, and a great loud “trumpet” will sound;
    the righteous dead will be resurrected from their graves,
    and together with the living righteous will be caught up
    into the air to meet their Lord in the “clouds” because
    they chose to sacrifice all to follow and obey God, while
    those who had rejected Christ’s offer of salvation
    will perish.

    The gathering will happen at the sixth seal, before the wrath of God (7th seal and the trumpets) is poured out on unrepented man:

    Please compare Rev 6 with Matth. 24 with an open mind and with the love to the truth.

    Rev 6
    12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

    14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

    15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

    16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

    17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

    Matthew 24

    29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Sixth Seal – We are gathered unto The Lord
    Rev 6:12 & Matthew 24:29
    Seventh Seal – The Wrath of God Begins
    God Bless His Word

    • Hey Silvan

      And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a “trumpet”, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of
      heaven to the other.”

      That sounds like the angels themselves go out to gather/collect the heavenly elect (not earthly)… meaning the ‘angel armies’. If the 1st resurrection includes collecting earthly souls that ‘assist’ Jesus for 1000 yrs, perhaps we/those are the angel army. The tribes of the earth will mourn indeed realizing the vision of Christ returning confirms they didn’t make ‘the cut’.

      With so much conflicting interpretations of some believing the rapture happens 1) before the 7 yrs of tribulation and 2) some believe that we must survive the tribulation and then be raptured and 3) others still, believing there will be 2 raptures to include the Tribulation saints and4) still those who see a pretrib rapture, then trib saints rapture, then another after the tribulation is over for those who survive.

      It surely is not without confusion (head spinning lol) and is speculative still at best to pick just one case scenario. I am watching and waiting same as others, but; in my own personal conclusion, must just trust in God’s plan. ‘Unknowing’ (not knowing all the proofs/answers) is a test of Faith, to allow our free will to make the choice through leaping and trusting his Hand will catch us. Once we know His hands are always outstretched in LOVE, our Faith is safe/sealed.

      Should we decide or make up our minds to one concrete way of thinking in regards to God’s final plan for us. Seems like that closes us off to staying open to any outcome. And I also see it as belittling God himself by fooling ourselves into thinking our egos can coincide with God. Wasn’t this the first lesson we learned from the garden story about the serpent and later about satan’s goals to overthrow God?

      Through all my years of struggle, suffering and hard work to build my faith through his Word, I have come to a ‘resting place’ where I have submitted/surrendered all to Him. It’s a beautiful place without fear or longing/desire to ‘know’ ALL. A place where I give Him all the Power and Glory and Praise and am His humble child, smiling and content, safe and comfortable. ❤

  9. Where are we in regards to the 7 seals mentioned in Revelation?

    I know that the Euphrates River drying up is one of them, just not sure which one…

    What are the 7 seals in order? anyone know…can show me where they are in Revelation?

    thanks

  10. ummmm…..http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/euphrates-river-drying-up-new-york-times-notes-prophetic-implications/

    “The drying up of this historic river in the land of ancient Babylon is so stunning, that even the Times had to note that Bible prophecy says this will happen in the “last days” of history, in the lead up to the apocalyptic battle of Armageddon described in the Book of Revelation..”

  11. Has anyone here read this news release?
    http://www.larouchepac.com/node/13618

  12. http://niv.scripturetext.com/revelation/16.htm
    The Seven Bowls of God’s Wrath

    “The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13Then I saw three evila spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. ”

    Ok, I am not understanding all of this….we have “seals” we have “bowls” we have “trumpets” …what comes first, then second etc…I do know that the Euphrates river has dried up, as of 2009, hence the “6th bowl-see verse above)”.

    However, the 5 bowls before the 6th talk about the mark of the beast etc…

    All I know, is that I have 2 sons with Autism and I don’t want us, them or me left down here to deal with all this horrible stuff that is to come. Isn’t God going to take us out of here before all of this happens…Antichrist, nuclear war, etc…mark of the beast…etc…?

    I am a christian, since age 6, and spirit filled, since age 21. I feel it in “my” spirit, rather, the Holy Spirit is letting me know that the time is come, we are close, get ready. I have started searching and watching the headlines ever since Obama became president. I can’t say with absolute certainty that Obama is the antichrist but I do know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is an integral part. Sometimes I wonder if he is just the “distraction” so that the Antichrist appears without us looking per se.

    Anyway, I am very concerned. As a mother, single mother of 2 special needs children, I am very concerned about what to do. If I, as a mother, being only human, wouldn’t want to put my children thru this, then why would God?

    Lyndsey

    • hi lyndsey

      Do not worry about your children. They are precious to God, and in his hands.

      The Euphrates is not completely dried up. There is still much water there now, except that Turkey controls the dam that has the water. Water flows downhill from there.

      Iraq and Iran depend on Turkey for water. When Turkey turns off the water, others suffer. Right now, this is just a resource allocation issue.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL7318197

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/water-wars-and-the-third-horse/

      But there will be a future time when it is not Turkey that controls the water, but God himself. Turkey won’t have any either to give away.

      WE are not at the 6th bowl yet…we will not be here for that. We should leave after the 5th seal…

      order: seals…..trumpets……bowls……….

    • As I was reading your letter Lyndsey … this is what rose in my heart for you and your family … it even brought tears to my eyes.
      Luk 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
      🙂

  13. Thank you so much Marianne and Abigail! your words mean more than you know! 🙂 I really needed to hear those words…

    I know we are to trust in God with all our heart, mind and soul. When my boys were just babies I would always read to them Psalm 91..”He who dwells in the shelter…” Little did I know how soon we would need to heed those words.

    Even though it is exciting to see the prophecies fulfilled it can be most frightening even as a Christian and moreso as a mother. I have been praying and asking God to please not leave us here for this mess…so, abigail, what “rose in your heart” was my answer…thank you so much from the bottom of my heart.! 🙂

    Lyndsey

  14. Marianne

    I found one, am pleased. Apologies for not finding them quick enough.
    Also, we cannot see eye to eye with everything. It depends on what kind of knowledge we have come accross,..as Lindsey above her wrestles with. We all do. Have something on the Seals, Trumpets, Vials etc., but must first polish them up, for the computer makes gymnastics with the text.
    Thanks
    Ed

  15. Their no group of people leaving before the tribulation. Their will be a great pouring out of Yahweh Spirit on mankind. To help in overcomeing the tribulation.

    • Hi there Melvin there’s a spirit that claims that i destroyed child & that i will burn in hell forever even though i confessed Christ.
      Pray for for anyway. Jesus said he’d be there to comfort as he has dominion over the realms of life, death, grave/hell.

  16. Obama could be very well the FAKE Antichrist, just one of many antichrists, who deceives the chrsitian community into thinking he would be the REAL Son of Perdition.
    satan not only fakes Christ Jesus, he ALSO fakes the Antichrist!!
    The Lord has told me this!

    Read this please:

    The false Armageddon and the false Antichrist
    ______________________________________________

    – The truth is now finally being revealed to the remnant!
    Please pray about this if this is indeed the truth! –

    The next war will look like Armageddon, but it is the FALSE Armageddon, which will be THE great deception and the cause why the great falling away of many many christians takes place!

    There are coming “many false christs”.
    One of them will lead the christians into thinking HE would be THE true Antichrist, the Son of Perdition!

    Its about the scheme of he great deception!

    How in Gods name can this happen??

    This again has to do with the next world war:

    Many christians believe that when they see Iran, and the muslim nations mentioned in Ez.38 coming against the Republic of Israel, that this is Armageddon, that supposedly the Son of Perdition is leading these nations against Israel and that when this war is over Jesus comes and will begin the peaceful Millenium!

    BUT, Satan and his minions the Illuminati, are exactly faking THIS Armageddon!
    When is the TRUE timing of the Gog/Magog War??
    Armageddon is at the END of the Millenium!

    Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,
    Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

    It is crystal clear: After the Millenium the Saints, we the followers of Christ, will be attacked by Gog and Magog!
    Maybe you ask, are there possibly two battles of Gog? One shortly before the Millenium and one shortly before the end when satan is loosed again?

    Now, lets just take a close look directly into Ez.38, if there is indication:

    Vers. 8 says, Israel will be “gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them”!
    Eze 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

    Let me ask you, are the Jews at rest, in SAFETY without WALLS??
    Noo, absolutely NOT! Amen!

    So, this does in no way apply to the Republic of Israel, but as written in Rev. 20 to Jesus Bride living with him in the true peaceful Millenium in the Holy Land.
    Since Jesus, the people who are born again and enter into the new covenant with HIM are the true Israel! Yahweh divorced himself from physical Israel and “stopped regarding/concerning with them”!
    (Heb.8)

    Ezekiel 38 speaks of the time when the Redeemed in Christ, HIS BRIDE in the millenial reign are “at rest in the holy land and in safety, without borders and gates”

    At moment, neiter physical descendants of the lost israeltic tribes (the Anglo-Saxons)
    are “at rest, in safety, without borders” NOR is spiritual Israel, we christians!

    Thats why it is soo important to understand that the Republic of Israel has NOT the god-given right to be named Israel! (Gen.48)

    Ezekiel 38 is prophesying about the Millenium, not about the current age!

    It gets even more clearer when one reads the previous chapter, whichs timing is as we have already discussed when the resurection of the righteous takes place and we are entering into the Millenium together with the Lord and are living in the Holy Land:

    Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

    So, to summarize, Israel in Prophecy is the Bride, which reigns with Christ and “dwells in the holy land without borders, in safety and at rest”!
    Naming the jewish state “Israel” is part of the great deception, and it is NOT Israel restored and reunificated (Ez.37)!
    The coming false Armageddon, in which the Muslims fight against the Republic of Israel and the USA etc., is in fact “just” the prophecied “wars and rumors of wars” by Jesus in Matthew.
    This scriptures and facts cant be discussed away!
    Thats why in my opinion it is so utterly important, that you realize that not the Muslims are the real
    threat (though they are of course murderous), but the Illuminati who try to use them to deceive us all!!
    This Elite of satan controls nearly all governments to a certain extend, so that they do will fight the false Armageddon!
    We christians are satans main goal for deception, of course, and it will please him that so many will fall for this false armageddon scheme, because they have been duped into thinking that the Republic of Israel is true Israel restored and attacked in Ezekiel 38, and further that the Antichrist is islamic.

    What does scripture say how it really looks like when TRUE Messiah comes finally back?

    Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
    Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
    Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse..

    NOT Gog and allies are gathering together to make war, but ALL armies of the earth!
    NOT against the R.o. Israel, but against Jesus and his army diretcly!
    (And appearently NO fighting, but they are instantly taken and slain by the allmighty power of the Word of God. They appearently simply have no chance against invincible Creator!)

    Yahweh bless you all!
    Please spread this informations!!

    • silvan

      Does this mean, that we have to wait another 1000 years before Jesus comes back?

    • Silvan wrote:
      “Let me ask you, are the Jews at rest, in SAFETY without WALLS??
      Noo, absolutely NOT! Amen!”

      Sick!

      • marianne
        ALL global armies will gather against Jesus when he comes in a few years, and not Gog/Magog against Israel, who is in Gods eyes we the Bride!

        Gavriel
        Please elaborate with scripture instead of calling me names. Thanks brother.

  17. ~ Do not answer a fool acc. to his folly;
    ~ Do answer a fool acc. to his folly;

    Revelations speak of other – unsaved – nations that will remain during Millenial Kingdom, notice it doesn’t use the proper “Gog, from the land…” as in original Ezekiel text, but altered expression “Gog and Magog” – rabbinical term used by John to describe 70 nations of the world, since numerical value of “Gog and Magog” in Hebrew is 70; These are the nations that refuse to celebrate Feast of Tabernacles and will rebel at the end of the millenium;

    Who is Ezekiel referring in following verses, does it sound anything like Christians who will live during Millenial Kingdom?

    “23 And the nations shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity, because they broke faith with Me, and I hid My face from them; so I gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and they fell all of them by the sword.
    24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions did I unto them; and I hid My face from them.
    25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD: Now will I bring back the captivity of Jacob, and have compassion upon the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for My holy name.
    26 And they shall bear their shame, and all their breach of faith which they have committed against Me, when they shall dwell safely in their land, and none shall make them afraid;”
    (Ezekiel 39)

    BTW, modern cities are not fortified by walls, Ezekiel saw the cities as they exist in 21st century;

    Let me add, British-Israelism is positively evil, falsely claiming the birthright as wicked Esau, and I do not wish to have discussions with evil;

    • I dont say that the anglo saxons are Israel, i say that the redeemed Bride is Israel.
      Before Yashua, Ephraim inherited the birthright blessing and the legal right to be named Israel (just read this in plain text in Gen.48)
      The House of Judah has no right to be named Israel!
      Where do you get this idea from?

      However, since Messiah, Yahweh has divorced himself from physical Israel and “stopped regarding with them” (Heb.8) and made covenant with every born again believer in Messiah, and regards now only his children as Israel! There are no two covenants existing side by side. The Jews dont have another way outside of Messiah, who is the ONLY way (John14:6)!

      I dont believe one can conclude from the numeral value the number of nations who are gathering.. even though it would be 70 nations, the world has 170 nations.. so Gog/Magog war doesnt apply to “ALL armies of the earth”!

      Fact is, the Republic of Israel is not “living in secure, at rest, without borders and gates.”
      I wonder how you can earnestly deny this….
      Lets stick to the truth and first discuss and clear this essential scripture, before moving on.

      • 1. John preached repentance to the Jews “of Judea”-Mark 1:4-5
        But John preached “repentance to all people of Israel” Acts 13:24.
        4. Paul called the Jews his own nation-Gal. 1:13-14.
        But Paul called Israel his nation-Acts 28:17-20.
        These are but few examples, See other parallels:
        http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/fundienazis/cr.htm

        Of course, Israel has no other way but to through Yeshua Ha-Mashiach, I am one of such Jews, and prophet Zechariah said that Jews will en-mass accept Jesus during Second Coming and fight on His belalf — Zech. 12 & 14;

        There are 70 nations listed in Genesis – do your homework — no matter how many nations you have today – they are derived from these 70; By Millenial Kingdom, all nations that are not saved would be identified as Gog and Magog – all 70 of them, since saved gentile Christians wouldn’t be counted among them, but among Israel, probably gentiles who shall observe Feast of Tabernacles during millennial kingdom would be annexed or converted into Israel close to the end of millennium;

        Israel is not at the state of war and can be described as living in security – absence of war is peace, or relative peace as desribed by Daniel, in which Israel shall live on the eve of Gog and Magog assault;

        You did not answer my question – who Ezekiel describes in verses 39:23-26 ?

        • You say:
          “Israel is not at the state of war and can be described as living in security”

          About what nation are you talking?

          • Is it last argument on your behalf?

            Israel is not at the state of war officially, Israeli airport if more secure than airports in New-York or London; State of security will increase by temporary peace achieved by Antichrist, fulfilling prophecy of Ezekiel that Israel will dwell in security on the eve of assault;

            Admit it, you are pursuing your personal agenda and don’t base your claims on the scriptures – you simply speak your mind!

            Admit also that you are an anti-Semite, why did you “Amen” the fact that Jews are not at rest and safety – when you said – quote:

            “Let me ask you, are the Jews at rest, in SAFETY without WALLS??
            Noo, absolutely NOT! Amen!”

            ???

            • The Israelis are not “dwelling safely” and are not “at rest”.
              This verse is not about the Jews, but about the Lord’s Bride, living in the holy land in the Millenium, who are “at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates” (Ez38:11)
              I said AMEN, because this is so important for being able to understand the scheme of the coming great deception, by which most of us will be deceived.
              Currently, I am very lonely.
              And thats a good sign.
              My “personal agenda” is the love and the love to the Truth.
              I dont hate anyone.
              Yashua Messiah is my Lord and Saviour, and he commanded me to love everyone.
              And because I love YOU, I try you to wake up to the Truth, so that you wont fall for the deceptions.

  18. I know, it’s always hard and hurtful to rethink false believes.
    I am not writing here if I were not concerned about the truth and if I would not care about you!

  19. Rev 20:7 And WHEN THE 1000 YEARS ARE EXPIRED, Satan shall be
    loosed out of his prison,

    Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in

    the four quarters of the earth, GOD AND MAGOG, to gather them

    together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

    Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and

    compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:

    and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

    It cannot be clearer!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WAKE UP!!

  20. Silvan,

    Hi hope you are well.

    If you are saying that the Gog/Magog war comes after the 1000 year reign I would say scripture supports that view.

    Understanding this clear fact, makes prophecy the more difficult to understand.

    See how another earth quake hit, this time in Chile. I expect more of these as signs of the end.

    Silvan, have you ever considered the latter rain. It is in James among many other places.

    Love,

    John

    • Shalom John,
      thanks for your kind words brother.
      I would like to know about what you mean with latter rain, and if you think I am correct with the other things.
      Yes, a new earthquake 8,8, also in Argentina 6,6 … I guess we all here think the same about these signs of the end.

  21. For Silvan and Gavriel

    I think these are perilous times, as Yeshua predicted. There is no country on earth now that is dwelling safely.

    Israel faces terrorists threats all the time, which is what Silvan refers to, but so does America, and Europe, which is what Gavriel was trying to point out. Even Muslim countries are torn by internal conflicts, and the terror cells there cause internal civil wars.

    What we have now is a fragile peace, in which we all dwell in relative peace and safety, as long as our military and security systems are strong enough either stop, or push back major damages.

    • marianne

      yes thats why this peaceful utopian scenario in Ezekiel 38 can only apply to true divine utopian paradise in the Millenium.

      As said, I believe Obama will be play the Muslim leader and the Antichrist, but he is the fake Antichrist!

    • According to Pastor John Hagee, “The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West…a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to Rapture, Tribulation and Second Coming of Christ” (“Countdown for Jerusalem”)
      Zionist like John Hagee and those members of Christians United for Israel (CUFI) are pushing for Armageddon.
      BUT THIS IS A DECEPTION!
      WW3, the counterfeit Gog Armageddon, will be between Iran, China, Islamic nations, and maybe Russia against the R.o. Israel, and “christian” countries like America. So to speak the biggest False Flag Operation of ALL times. 9/11 was just the beginning.
      Then, shortly before “no flesh would survive if not the time is shortened”, “Jesus” Antichrist appears with his 144.000 angels of false light at Zion, and declares the false Millenium of false utopian peace (the New Age of Aquarius!).
      The Elite of Satan (Illuminati Luciferians) have planned to play out the monotheistic religions against each other, blame them as the “root of all evil”, so that as synthesis the New World Order religion of false peace and security can emerge!

      I think the main target of this satanic deception are the christians, this pleases him the most. The other religions will automatically go along with the imposter into the New Age, because they already are deceived.
      Israel’s – our – Trouble begins..

      Maybe one questions, if the Illuminati have really this power to control every government. Yes they have!
      they only need to control the very top positions.. today
      it is in every country the same, here too.. all nations are undermined through century long efforts and are playing together a giant theater..
      The head of the illuminati, rothschild clan, controls since over 100 years England and has alone hundreds of trillions in wealth- they indebted all countries with their financial debt money system and now have the means to tell them what to do!
      Anyone who wants to make a carrier in politics or economics has to be a member of Masonry, and other minor.
      Netanyahu has openly admitted he is one of them!
      High-Level Freemasonry is Lucifer worship!
      The muslim power is tiny in comparison..the muslim actions are even controlled by the Ayathollas, who are themselves Masons. The NWO just needs to control the very top people in government and media, economy and religions to reach their goals..

      Obama was prepared and raised by Illuminati Mason Kissinger (his mentor) and Brezeinski, he is literally controlled by them likely through blackmail and mind control.. thats not so secret who groomed and raised him for their goals.. he is a illuminati puppet and no muslim (this only shall appear as such!)..
      Obama seems to be the Antichrist, but he is just “one of many antichrists” imo!

      Their owned mainstream media is also very important, because even the most intelligent person is being brainwashed by their lies and propaganda, so subtle you cant recognize it.
      Hegelian Dialectic (Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis) is often used!
      Look and think about how powerful and effective media controls the minds of whole civilisations!
      The media has been also the vessel to implant and cultivate the false propehcy doctrines, like “armageddon happens before Jesus comes back”, or the state Israel fulfills prophecy, and everyone who questions that is an bad evil anti semite, true??!

      You ALWAYS have to think in the opposite direction of what you are being told in the media!
      When they currently are telling you, “conspiracy theorists”, (mainly 9/11 activists), are dangerous, mentaly ill and a threat for society, you will know that the “Truthers” got it right!

      The puppet masters will deceive most christians who are even professing and firm in prophecy, and thats the problem- the utmost believe that the Israeli state is prophecy Israel and that the antichrist will be muslim… and this muslimic role as antichrist could play very well Obama cant he? Its no coincidence the illuminati named him “renegade” and his limousine “the beast”.. this is played out for deceiving the christians!

      ..and soon they will foment false armageddon after which “Jesus” allegedly comes back!

      • Forgive me Silvan if this is a stupid question….are you saying that the Illumanati (who are the leaders of the Free Masonry/Luciferian worship) are “planning” a “fake” rapture/armeggedon/antichrist/New World Order….etc..?

        So….does that mean all of the world events that have and are and will still occur as fullfilling Bible prophecy are just leading up to a FAKE everything and that we will have to go thru this AGAIN for the real thing?

        • Lyndsey, it is indeed a very good question!
          I’ll try to answer.
          satans major primary plan is to deceive the “called ones”, the christians. He has planned for this for a long long time, back to his inspiring of the pagan/babylonian cult of Islam in the 600’s AD.
          satan knows the prophecys of the bible, and he know s what the christian community today believes. He knows what the average christians take for a major sign of the appearence of Jesus.
          This is a battle of Iran, Russia and China against the Jews and christian countries like America.
          But Scripture clearly shows that this battle takes place at the end of the Millenium.
          Now to your question- I think this faked Gog/Magog battle is also prophecied, by Jesus himself:

          Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
          Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
          Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
          Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
          Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom…

          Do you notice THAT? This passage gets a whole new meaning!
          He is speaking of a world war and various false Christs, who want to deceive the christians!!
          He is EXACTLY describing this great deception of a man who leads the Allies of Gog/Magog and declares to be the Christ AND THE CHRISTIANS WILL THINK OF HIM HE IS *THE* ANTICHRIST!
          BUT he is NOT, he just one of many who are saying “I am the Christ”.

          …and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
          Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

          Then, after the great deception due to the False Armageddon and the Fake Antichrist, the true Antichrist (SoP) will “save” the R.o. Israel with “great signs and wonders” like Jesus would do.
          Due to the grerat stress of the world war and the other things, most christians will believe that the SoP who saved “Israel” is true Jesus.
          But Jesus himself said:

          Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
          Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
          Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
          Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
          Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

          And because all people of the world, including many christians, will believe the Christ has come for the utopian Millenium

          Mat 24:9 …shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
          Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
          Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
          John16:2 yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
          (the last two scripture do not directly relate to the latter days, but i believe can be seen as foreshadowing prophecy)

          Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

          • Thank you Silvan,

            Now,You have Jesus returning at the end of the millenium….that’s another 1000 years…I thought He returns to the Mount of Olives thru the eastern gate before the 2nd half of the 7 years (at the end of the 3.5 years) BEFORE the AC takes over with the NWO/Mark of the beast etc…

  22. Sylvan,

    Hi hope you are well.

    The Church was started on Pentecosts the first fruits, see Acts 2. The latter rain is associated with the feast of tabernacles.That would be the latter rain.

    It goes deeper but I believe that speaks of a re emergence of the church.

    Love,

    John

    • John, I can somehow feel what you are pointing to.
      I just recently came to the believe to want to study the law, Torah, and I became by chance a member of Messianic Evangelicals, a site, ministry. I have never seen so much Truth like there.

      I guess the early church kept the Torah, though it was transformed in regard to the covenants of blood sacrifice (now Yahshua) and priesthood (now Melchizedek), but all other covenants and Laws remained i think.
      However, I am investigating and learning.

    • http://nccg.org/FAQ227-OTNT.html
      ……There is no such thing as an “Old Testament” and the “New Testament” actually only ever uses the expression “Old Covenant” (not “Old Testament”, which never existed) once, in 2 Cor.3:14, where it can only refer to Torah [Law]:

      “We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over His face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant [Torah] is read. It has not been removed, for only in Christ is it [the veil] taken away. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord the veil is taken away” (2 Cor.3:13-16, NIV).

      Interestingly what Paul says here is not that Christ takes the Law or “Old Covenant” away but that He removes the veil which conceals the fullness of its true meaning! The veil is removed when we turn to God through Christ so that we can see that part of the Law which is written on the hearts of men through faith and a willingness to obey.

      The Torah or “Old Covenant” is now progressively written on our hearts so that it becomes alive as “New Covenant” with a new Priesthood, the Melchizedek. The fact that it is written by the Spirit on the heart, and not by pen on paper, that makes it “New”. The Law of Moses was written on paper. That same Law is now written on the heart, making it the Law of Christ. That is the substance of the prophet Jeremiah’s message (Jer.31:31-34). With the change of Covenant has come a change of ordinance; the ordinance of admission by covenant into the Law of Moses was circumcision whereas the ordinance of admission by covenant into the Law of Christ is by baptism.

      It is not proper to speak of only two covenants, moreover. The Tanakh speaks of several covenants of which there are seven (some say there are more):

      * 1. The Patriarchal Covenant of Adam, renewed through his descendants, until the time of the Great Flood (Gen.1-3);

      * 2. The Patriarchal Covenant of Noah, renewed through his descendants, until the calling of Abraham (Gen.6:18b-21; 9:9-17);

      * 3. The Patriarchal Covenant of Abraham, renewed through Isaac, Jacob, and their descendants until the calling of Moses (Gen.15:8-18; 17:6-8; 12:3; Ac.3:25; etc.);

      * 4. The Covenant of Moses, renewed through his descendants and supplemented by the calling of David (Ex.2:25; Dt.4:37; 7:6-8; 8:17-18; 9:4-6; 14:2; Ho.13:5; Am.3:2; Ex.6:6-8; 15:13; 20:2; 4:22; Dt.8:5; 14:1; 32:6; 1 Ch.29:10; Is.63:16; 74:8; Je.3:19; Ho.11:1; Mal.16; 2:10; etc.);

      * 5. The Royal Covenant of David, renewed through his descendants until the first coming of Jesus Christ (Ps.89:3-4,26-37; 132:11-18; 2 Sa.7:12-17; etc.);

      * 6. The New Covenant of Jesus Christ, prepared by John the Baptist, and renewed through the Twelve Apostles of the New Testament Church of God (Gal.4:4; Heb.9:26; 13:20; 12:28; Mt.26:28; Mk.14:24; Lk.22:20; 1 Cor.11:25; etc.);

      Understanding the difference between these and, in many cases, sub-covenants (i.e. covenants within covenants) is very important to an understanding of what the New Covenant actually is.

      * 1. Most Christians would agree, I think, that the Adamic Covenant remains in force, and is a part of the New Covenant. Child-birth is still painful (Gen.3:16a), husbands are still to rule over wives (Gen.3:16b cp. Eph.5:22-24; 1 Pet.3:1), husbands are still to toil for their daily bread (Gen.3:17-19), etc., husbands and wives are still to become one flesh/body (Gen.2:24 cp. Eph.5:29), etc..

      * 2. Most Christians would likewise agree that the Noahic Covenant has not been changed and is a part of the New. There will never be a universal flood again and the rainbow will remain an everlasting sign of that covenant.

      * 3. Many Christians recognise that the Abrahamic Covenant is still in force. Christians are the sons and daughters of Abraham (Rom.4:16). Where the New Covenant differs from the Abrahamic is that it is sealed by baptism and not by circumcision. The promises remain the same but the ordinance sealing that agreement has changed.

      * 4. Where the greatest controversy is the relationship between the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant. Most Christians claims that the Mosaic Covenant (Torah) has been superceeded by something completely different. They have misunderstood that the word “New” does not necessarily mean “replaced” but also “completed”. As you will have read in our numerous publications on the subject, we have maintained that the Law of Moses contains essentially three parts:

      (1) Laws and ordinances that divide Gentile from Jews;
      (2) Ordinances (like animal sacrifice) that point to the coming of, and atonement by, a Messiah; and
      (3) Moral and Ethical Laws.

      The New Covenant Church of God maintains that the first and second parts of this Law have been removed because they are either (a) no longer relevant (because the wall of partition between Jews and Gentile has now been removed) — e.g. laws governing entering others homes, etc., or (b) Because they have been fulfilled in the life, mission and work of Christ — since they were shadows, and the antetype is here, the shadows or types are no longer needed — e.g. animal sacrifices and various other related sacrifices and ordinances.

      And finally — and this is the crux — the Church maintains that the third part is eternally valid in all dispensations where Christ, or the apostles through direct revelation, have not REFORMED it. The “New Testament” nowhere speaks of this part being “done away with” but rather being elevated spiritually, or purified. Often cited examples include Jesus’ confirmation of the Ten Commandments, His tightening up on the laws governing divorce, His insistence that His disciples live the Law even better than the Pharisees (i.e. without hypocrisy), his insistence on purity of heart and not just outward observance of the Law, etc..

      * 5. The Royal Covenant of David of Priest-Kings has, of course, be fulfilled in Jesus Christ Himself. He is the Priest-King not only of Israel but New Israel. He is the “King of Kings” and “Lord of Lords” (1 Tim.6:15; Rev.17:14). As King-Priest He chooses and sets apart princes and other officers to govern with and subject to Him. In the New Covenant there are His apostles, pastors and others who have been given presidencies over the people of God. In the Millennial Kingdom this rulership will extend to nations as well.

      * 6. This, then, is the New Covenant. It is the gathering together of all eternal covenants which have been brought to completion and fullness in Jesus Christ which will find its final consummation in the Millennial Word to come.

      * 7. In that New Patriarchal, Millennial Covenant, and what lies beyond in the celestial world, the whole Law will be written on every heart which truly accepts Jesus as Christ. Teachers will not be needed anymore, as Jeremiah prophesied. But just as heaven is ruled by kings and princes, and archangels and angels, so also in the eternities will there be rulers — the 144,000 — all subject to the Great Ruler of all, Jesus Christ, who will sit — and is sitting — at the right hand of God the Father.

      There is, therefore, no “Old Covenant” per se but rather a filling and a purifying of that which is old until the fullness has come. That fullness is represented in, and by, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega of the Covenant (Rev.1:8; 21:6; 22:13). There is ONE COVENANT — one which is incomplete, and one which is complete or perfect. For this perfect covenant — the New and Everlasting Covenant of Jesus Christ — to be written on our hearts, we must ourselves gradually grow in grace — be sanctified — until it is all written there and we are obeying spontaneously out of our hearts and not just as an obligation imposed by an oath.

      One of the greatest illusions taught in Christendom today is that when a man receives Christ he “receives the fullness”. A man, rather, receives what he is willing to receive. If the Law is fully written on a man’s heart, then he will be able to tell it all to you, in its completeness. Do you know it all? I know I don’t. For if I did, and were it written on my heart, I would be living it perfectly. I would be perfect, and without sin. And that I am not.

      Therefore there is, strictly-speaking, no “border” between the “Old” and the “New Testaments”. Doubtless we will continue to use these terms because they are convenient historically. The border, if it exists, is in a man’s heart, when he receives Christ. From thereon the Covenant is progressively written thereon, as he is true and faithful to all the covenants which make up that New and Everlasting Covenant. This we maintain to be the truth and this is the doctrine which we teach.

      • Very well Silvan!
        I am glad for you that you have so far to your satisfaction answered the matter of divine Law. I am also glad that you have decided to learn Torah.
        One day soon you will hear The Lord say ‘Son of Man, The Righteous Silvan’
        and you will hear yourself answer … ‘ I have waited all my life to hear you call my name’.
        And this will puzzle you greatly. 🙂

    • Hi John, I have asked friend and brother Lev about his insights on the “latter rain” after I have seen myself that there is no such term in the NT. He wrote this article. http://nccg.org/lev20100301.html
      I have to add, that I believe though this is happening at moment, but it is not related to the pentecoastal movement:
      “’And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy”

  23. And here is another historical series for those who would know.

    • that was very early in his life. He realized the errors of assimilation, and sought to help Jews escape the antisemitism by moving to Israel.

    • The founder of Zionism and Torah apostate, Theodor Herzl, sought to intensify hatred of the Jew in order to enhance the cause of political Zionism.

      “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)

      Zionism is everything else then true faith in the Torah, it is a political movement, and they hate true orthodox Jews, who dare to say that as long Messiah had not come they have to be remain scattered among the nations.
      Afaik for now, the Zionists view the babylonian Talmud and Kabbalah superior to Torah.
      We got even scripture about them in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, which speaks of a group of people who “say they are Jews, but are not”, who are not people of the Holy One.
      The word “Jews” here is Judahites, people from the tribe of Judah!
      G2453:
      Ἰουδαῖος
      Ioudaios
      ee-oo-dah’-yos
      From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: – Jew (-ess), of Juda.

      • Silvan,

        Are you saying you equate the character of the nation of Israel with Herzl, and therefore the rights of Israel should be dismissed under the label zionism?

        • Silvan, Marianne,

          Check site:
          Imninalu.net
          Origins of people from Noah, origins of Israel and how modern State of Israel hosts Jews from all 12 tribes (tribe of Judah, Levi, Simeon and Benjamin among Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews, the rest of Israelite tribes are found among Jews of Buchara (Uzbekistan), Georgia, Azerbaijan, Yemen, Persia, Ethiopia, etc…); also research of Velikovsky – how ten tribes are found in Russia and among former territories of Khazaria: Beyond the Mountains of Darkness:
          http://www.varchive.org/ce/baalbek/khazars.htm
          King Hezekiah (long after exile of ten tribes by Sennacherib) invited tribes of Menasseh and Ephraim to celebrate Passover in Jerusalem – proof that ten tribes remained in the land of Israel and assimilated with Jews, while the rest who didn’t assimilate became known as Samaritians and many of them are to be found among modern day Palestinians of Judea and Samaria regions…

          THIS IS HOW IT FITS G-D’S PLAN OF SALVATION – G-D USED “LEAGUE OF NATIONS”, ZIONISM, HERZL, BEN-GURION, BRITISH MANDATE, 1947 AND 1967 WARS ONLY FOR ONE PURPOSE – TO GATHER JEWS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD – SO THAT EVERYONE WHO ARE CHOSEN ARE TO BE FOUND IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL – FOR THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD WHEN JESUS CHRIST RETURNS TO THE MOUNTAINS OF TRANSJORDAN, SINAI AND ZION! G-D MADE EVERYTHING FOR HIMSELF – YEA EVEN THE WICKED FOR THE DAY OF BATTLE;

          • Gavriel

            I agree. God will use both the righteous and unrighteous in His plan to return the Jews to their homeland before Messiah comes.

            He will use fishers of men to invite them there, so that they can freely go, or He will use hunters of men to drive them there.

            But it is all God’s plan, not man’s.

          • Gavriel,
            lets simply look into scripture if this author of your link is correct.
            Genesis 48 is very revealing:
            Gen 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
            19…[the older brother] also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
            Gen 48:20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

            Now, we can see many things here:
            -Josephs sons were prophecied to become a great people (the older brother) and the younger brother greater and a multitude of nations
            -These two brothers got the RIGHT to be named after Israel and
            Isaac (Gen.21:12 …for in Isaac shall thy (Abrahams) seed be called.”)

            .
            Now, ask yourself, do these decsriptions fit on the “Jews”?

            Who is named after I-saac? Maybe the Saxons, sons of Saac (vowels can get lost in hebrew writing)
            By the sure Word of prophecy, you must find Ephraim and Manasseh in the world today, for they were to become two mighty nations.
            (B’rit-ish means in hebrew “covenant man”)
            It is wrong and chauvinistic (that thing I am accused of, when saying this!) to say Jacobs/Israels superior blessings were void, not valid anymore and simply “assimilated” by Judah, who did NOT receive this blessings.
            This is arrogant and against Yahwehs word!

            Ez.37 is also revealing:
            It shows that the House of Israel and Judah are different people and
            -they will be reunited when they are RAISED FROM THE DEAD, when they aer SINLESS, when David and Jesus are ruling
            It should be clear, that they are not reunited until the end of Age.
            Moreover, the Lord himself confirmed me all of this yesterday evening as he pushed me by chance to Deut.33:
            Moses blessed the tribes in this chapter.
            Compare them:
            Deu 33:7 And this is the blessing of Judah: and he said, Hear, LORD, the voice of Judah, and bring him unto his people: let his hands be sufficient for him; and be thou an help to him from his enemies.
            Deu 33:13 And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the LORD be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,
            Deu 33:14 And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,
            Deu 33:15 And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills,
            Deu 33:16 And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.
            Deu 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
            .
            So, this is in regards to the aspect of the DNA. But since the new covenant in Messiah is established, the Body of Christ has become Israel (read Heb.8 for example). The Bride is Israel, Eze 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel.. He is speaking of redeemed christians, who are born into Gods family!
            This is true and consistent, with what I am trying to show you, namely that the “Saints” living in peace IN THE MILLENIUM will be encompassed by Gog.
            Just compare how the enemy will be defeated:
            Eze 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
            Now scripture about the battle when Yahshua comes in a few years:
            …These [beast and false prophet] both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
            Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

            Do you see it, it is entirely different!
            We must get over the decption of satan, that the Republic of Israel is Yahweh’s Israel, so that we can see the truth and not fall for the false armageddon and the false Antichrist!

          • “THIS IS HOW IT FITS G-D’S PLAN OF SALVATION – G-D USED “LEAGUE OF NATIONS”, ZIONISM, HERZL,…”

            This is not Yahwehs plan, but satans plan for his great deception.
            And salvation came and comes through Messiah, not through Judaism or the R.o. Israel !!
            Dont deny the universal and only way and covenant in Yahshua HaMaschiach!!

          • If you love the Truth more then yourself, than get over this heresy and deception.
            This article can help you to do this and finally understand:
            http://nccg.org/mlt/sermons/3_198.html
            http://nccg.org/Ephr002-NCIsrael.html

        • Marianne,
          I dont know the true implication of the words of Herzl at moment.
          I am just posting the mindset of the one who stands for Zionism.
          When we want to know the truth, we have to research how much Herzl’s advice has had influence on anti-semitism in the 1930’s and on the foundation of the Republic of Israel, who should have been named Judeah and not Israel.
          I not dare to say the Jews have no right to live there. I am not a anti-semit or racist!
          They just have no right before God to be named Israel.

          • Dear Silvan

            I think you need to visit Israel, and get to know the people there. You will then see what God sees.

            God’s spirit, not man, has called these people there. They are his physical Israel, but destined to become part of the Bride as the time quickly approaches for all of us.

            Just remember that ANYONE can be spiritual Israel, including the Jews. Also, a non Jew (Gentile “christian” Israel) can easily be a serpent as much as anyone. Everyone sins, and comes short of the glory of God.

            When god prophesied the last return of the Jews, he said he would bring them back with a new heart. He was bringing back a faithful remnant. What you see today is that remnant.

            The Jews that migrated to Israel are not the rich Jews you imagine. Most Jews, in general are NOT rich.

            The migrating Jews came to Israel with just the clothes on their backs. If you would visit israel today, you would see a kind, humble, friendly, sensitive devout people, not rich, profane or greedy. These are people ready to die for their faith in God. Many already have.

            They had to work a dry desert soil to bring it back to life. They suffered many hardships, and kept a strong faith in God to endure attacks by enemies.

            They are not Jewish because they married someone Jewish, so they could go to a land that is constantly bombed by terrorists, but because they practice their faith daily, and most spend more time in prayer than Christians do.

            They have been brought back because they ARE the remnant that God’s spirit is calling there. They are the ones earmarked to receive the Messiah.

            They are the ones calling out to God to bring Him. They are the ones who will weep when they see Him, and realize who he is. They are the ones who will be martyred during the tribulation for their faith.

            Please realize this.

            So yes, it takes more than DNA. But they have that too. They have both the physical and the spiritual DNA to be called God’s people.

            • Love your words above Marianne! I have such a deep respect and love for Gods’ people.

              Do you remember my email to you regarding Ruth? I think I have finally understood what God meant. Long story short, I was adopted at age 2. My adoptive parents have died. My mom died 3 years ago and my father died a few weeks ago. I felt panic. I felt orphaned. I remembered what was told to me 20 years ago, that God said that I was to be compared to Ruth, I never understood it until now. I feel that the Holy Spirit explained it to me like this: Ruth’s husband died-she had left her faith and culture and married into another one. When her husband ” only family” died, she was given the choice to return to her “birth” family or remain with her “adoptive family”. Ruth’s mother in law represents the Holy Spirit-giving Ruth a choice. Ruth chooses the God of her mother n law’s people. “your God will be my God and your people will be my people”. The marriage between Ruth and Moab represents the marriage between Christ and his church. So, regarding your comment above, although I may not have the physical DNA of Gods’ chosen people, I choose THEIR G-D as my G-D and His People will be My people.

              “…16 And Ruth said, Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:…” (Ruth Chapter 1 verse 16 KJV )

              • Lyndsey

                I am glad that you have found the personal message and Word from Ruth that applied to your spiritual life. Yes, you are his Bride.

                The spirit is more faithful than any physical family.

              • Dear Lyndsey,
                YOU are Gods people, no one else!
                (See scripture below)

            • Marianne, (and Gavriel),
              regarding physical Israel-
              let me ask you, when were the Jews two great nations acc. to Gen.48?
              When did Judah get his right to be named Israel?
              Please provide scripture for both questions.

              Regarding new covenant Israel:
              Do you really deny that since Messiah Israel (the only Israel!) is the Body of Christ? Do you think there is outside of Christ another Israel?

              Then please read this scriptures:

              Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
              Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
              Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
              Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

              Please provide scripture that makes this invalid, that there is a Jew/Israelite though, especially outside Christ.

              Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
              … For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
              Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
              Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

              Our flesh has died at the cross together with MESSIAH, so that we can live in spirit! Anybody who is not in Messiah is not Israel. (This says scripture!)

              Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
              Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

              A Jew is who has a circumsied heart by Messiah and lives in spirit!

              Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
              Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
              Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

              Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew (Judahite) first, and also to the Greek.

              Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

              SALVATION is ONLY found in MESSIAH, not in the religion of Judaism which is not only obeying the Torah but also rabbinic traditions, and Talmud (occultic)!

              Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
              Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
              Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
              Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
              Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
              Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
              Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
              Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

              The former covenant is invalid, God has stopped regarding with the physical House of Israel as also with Judah (do you see here that both are different people??)
              The new covenant is through Christ, it is a spiritual covenant. The Body of Christ with regenerated hearts through faith in Messiah, has the Law written in their hearts, and THEY are HIS PEOPLE!!
              Through Messiah our sins are forgiven, and everybody KNOWS the Lord personally through his spirit!

              Outside of Faith in Christ, there is no covenant, no Israel, no righteousness, no forgiveness!

              • For days now I have yearn in my heart to say what you have just so eloquently put forth.
                ‘ Do you think there is outside of Christ another Israel?’
                Your question is wise because in asking this you are asking …
                ‘Do you think there is outside of Christ ANOTHER Christ?’

              • Silvan

                There is no denial that Christians are part of spiritual ISrael. But this does not mean that God does not still have plans for physical Israel, that in the end, they will be brought into the fold through Messiah. He is bringing them home to bring them to the knowledge of the Messiah.

                Judah is part of Israel. At one point, all 12 tribes were called Israel. Only when the tribes were divided into northern and southern kingdoms, was “Judah” used to describe levites, judah, and benjamin….while “Israel” was used to describe the other tribes…..It was also prophesied that “Judah” and “Israel” would again be united as one group. We see this is true in the land of Israel today.

                • Dear Marianne
                  the old physical Israel has ceased to exist in God’s eyes.
                  The only Israel which exists for our Abba is the Body of Christ, we are the only Israel!
                  Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

                  If the Jews had not named them Israel we would not have so much confusion.
                  I ask you again, please provide scripture that Judah had the right to be named Israel.
                  Who are the two great nations of Israel (Gen.48) and are they gathering into the Holy Land at the moment?
                  Who will inherit the Holy Land in the Millenium acc. to scripture?

                  • Silvan, Marianne,

                    I don’t believe I have to argue regarding 12 PHYSICAL tribes of Israel inheriting the Holy Land, but since some of us may be lacking understanding of spiritual essence of the scriptures through the Holy Spirit, here is very specific prophecy by Ezekiel of 12 PHYSICAL tribes, including Judah and Levites, inheriting the Land of Israel, from Sinai southward to Amanus mountains of Turkey northward:

                    “1 Now these are the names of the tribes: from the north end, beside the way of Hethlon to the entrance of Hamath, Hazar-enan, at the border of Damascus, northward, beside Hamath; and they shall have their sides east and west: Dan, one portion. 2 And by the border of Dan, from the east side unto the west side: Asher, one portion. 3 And by the border of Asher, from the east side even unto the west side: Naphtali, one portion. 4 And by the border of Naphtali, from the east side unto the west side: Manasseh, one portion. 5 And by the border of Manasseh, from the east side unto the west side: Ephraim, one portion. 6 And by the border of Ephraim, from the east side even unto the west side: Reuben, one portion. 7 And by the border of Reuben, from the east side unto the west side: Judah, one portion. 8 And by the border of Judah, from the east side unto the west side, shall be the offering which ye shall set aside, five and twenty thousand reeds in breadth, and in length as one of the portions, from the east side unto the west side; and the sanctuary shall be in the midst of it.

                    22 Thus the possession of the Levites, and the possession of the city, shall be in the midst of that which is the prince’s; between the border of Judah and the border of Benjamin shall be the prince’s. 23 And as for the rest of the tribes: from the east side unto the west side: Benjamin, one portion. 24 And by the border of Benjamin, from the east side unto the west side: Simeon, one portion. 25 And by the border of Simeon, from the east side unto the west side: Issachar, one portion. 26 And by the border of Issachar, from the east side unto the west side: Zebulun, one portion. 27 And by the border of Zebulun, from the east side unto the west side: Gad, one portion. 28 And by the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar unto the waters of Meribath-kadesh, to the Brook, unto the Great Sea.”
                    )Ezekiel Chapter 48(

                    • Gavriel

                      You are right. The land grant is an everlasting covenant with Israel/Judah. God never canceled it. His word is good forever.

                      God is not bring all the Christians to the Promised Land to give them property.

  24. Regarding marianne’s question above..”so you think Obama is a decoy, so that we will not see the real antichrist?”….When it was official that Obama won the election, the HOlY Spirit said “it has begun”…I became physcially ill and knew that I knew….but then recently, I began to consider that it was indeed possible that he was a “distraction” per se. What is throwing me off regarding Obama being the antichrist is that he is in his 40s, married with children. I had always understood that the antichrist “copied”/counterfeited everything that Jesus did…so as to convince the Jews that he was the “christ”…so that would make him 30 when he comes on the scene right?

    One thing is clear, and that is the HOly Spirit was VERY clear when he said “it has begun” and what I knew/understood in my spirit was that the antichrist has now stepped up..he is now here…at first I thought it was Obama because the Holy Spirit spoke when it was official…that fateful night; Obama’s election.

    Did anyone else get the same message?

    • Lyndsey

      regarding the last election, many people could feel what you are saying. I had posted this,

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/2008-%E2%80%93-the-final-administration-of-man-in-america/

    • PRINCE William will be 30 on the summer solstice in 2012 and the Royal Family calims they are descendants of David.. interesting huh..

      • I saw that the other day….interesting enough, Ron Wyatt, the man who found the Ark of the Covenant, found it on Jan 6th, 1982. I believe…see link: http://anchorstone.com/ark-of-covenant/video-ron-wyatt-talking-about-jesus-blood-sample.html

        And then while on youtube, I stumbled upon a guy who was showing that the Coat of Arms for the Royal family-more specifically, Queen Elizabeth or was it Prince Charles, has a DRAGON on it…this led me to check on Prince William’s birthdate…and there it was July 21, 1982! this would make him 30 years old July 21, 2012.

        He is handsome, military background, you name it!

        However, I don’t see how he could come into play unless the UN or European Nation assigned him as leader? The coat of arms having the Dragon on it would explain the scripture that reads: “2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: Dan. 7.4-6 and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority…(Rev 13)”

        * Look closely at the Royal Family’s Coat of Arms…it makes you think about what is being described above.
        http://www.fleurdelis.com/royal.htm

        What I thought was interesting was that Prince Charles was born 7 mths after the Ark of the covenant was found with Jesus’ blood on the Mercy Seat.
        http://users.netconnect.com.au/~leedas/arkofcovenanta.html

      • This stood out to me when reading from the following website: http://www.groundzeromedia.org/archives/dis/prince/prince.shtml

        “In 1991, as his [Prince Charles’]son, [Prince] William was undergoing emergency surgery for a near-fatal head wound, “Prince Charles left the hospital to go to Covent Garden Opera House, where he was to host a party of European Community officials.”

        “The Dragon rises up and awaits the child’s birth in order to devour that child. For many years the dragon has been interpreted as Satan. However in the English Enigma theory, I pointed out that the Dragon is also on the Flag of Wales. This means that Diana gives birth to a child that is an heir to the throne. This throne is to be ruled with a rod of Iron.”

        quite interesting you think?

      • This is most interesting…”#4c – HIS COAT OF ARMS / CREST – THE RED DRAGON
        Revelations 13:2 also says, “And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.” The dragon is “symbolic” to others, but not to Prince Charles. He has a red dragon on his coat of arms. It comes from the flag of Wales, and it is in this title, Prince of Wales, that Charles is heir-apparent to the throne of Great Britain. At his coronation (investiture as Prince of Wales) in 1969, he sat on a chair with a large red dragon emblazoned on it. During the ceremony, his mother Queen Elizabeth II said, “This dragon gives you your power, your throne and your own authority.” His response to her was, “I am now your Liege-man, and worthy of your earthly worship.” Liege is an old English word meaning “Lord”. “I am now your Lord-man, and worthy of your earthly worship.” Another reference to the red dragon is in Revelations 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Prince Charles is the ONLY person in the world to whom “And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority” can literally be applied to!…”

        http://www.freewebs.com/princecharlesrevelations/charlestheantichrist.htm

        • Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

          Lyndsey
          The dragon is satan. seems not to be symbolic.
          but the background of the house of windsor is interesting though.

        • And…..

          “END OF LETTER

          I have highlighted in red two very interesting contradictions to this piece. While a lot of it seems to be factual to some degree I must point out, that everything that Charles is entitled to, William and Harry are entitled to. That would mean that if Charles was to hand the Crown to William he would have everything that his father has. So most, if not all of that Christian scare information in the preceding letter would apply. So, We need to open the bible to the book of Revelation chapter 13:3 it talks about the wound to the beasts head, and then it heals much to the wonder of those surrounding him. William was wounded to the head. This letter is so hell bent on proving Charles to be the antichrist they have overlooked the fulfilling prophecies. So using what was sent to me in that letter I would guess that either you can form an opinion as to whether or not this is too easy, or if there is something more to look for. If these are the prophecies signifying the end times, then Christians everywhere are not far from meeting their leader. Does the literal second coming have merit? The Theories expressed in this article are merely pieces in a more complex puzzle. The solution is to use Wisdom. The idea is to keep an open mind. I will remain at Ground Zero.

          Special Thanks to Rob McConnell of the X-Zone for the information provided in the writing of this update. ”

          http://www.freewebs.com/princecharlesrevelations/charlestheantichrist.htm

  25. And….not knowing where it is in the scriptures, but I do remember reading that the antichrist was a homosexual…not laying with a woman…something to that affect and that he was born of a Jekel???Anybody know where that is?

    • Lyndsey,

      It is in Daniel, that the AC “regards not the desire of women.” But how to interpret this? It does not say that he does not desire women, but that he disregards women’s desires.

      What do women desire? to be treated well, security, to have children.

      Islam does not permit the first two items, and I wonder about the third one. Women are property, and they can be beaten and beheaded if a man rapes them. Children are taught to be suicide bombers from infancy.

      Abortion also destroys children, which is even a step deeper into hell.

      A normal desire of women is to protect their children, not kill them. So the AC would have to support, or not oppose, abortion or suicide bombing.

      He could also be a homosexual, and prefer men over women, but it does not mean he cannot also be married. He thinks he is god, so he will do what he wants.

  26. that makes sense…what about being born of a jekel? (not sure of the spelling) Is that in a literal sense or metaphorically?

  27. Hi,
    other possible interpretations of the Son of Perdition “regards not the desire of women” would be he is androgyn, eunuch or a fallen angel.

  28. Oh what a god given coincidence this is.. I was just surfing some german economy newspaper, and they linked this article:
    http://www.infowars.com/the-road-to-armageddon/
    Just a short excerpt, this article is excellent:
    […]
    9/11 launched the neoconservative plan for U.S. world hegemony.

    As I write, the U.S. government is purchasing the agreement of foreign governments that border Russia to accept U.S. missile interceptor bases. The U.S. intends to ring Russia with U.S. missile bases from Poland through central Europe and Kosovo to Georgia, Azerbaijan and central Asia. U.S. envoy Richard Holbrooke declared on February 20 that al Qaida is moving into former central Asian constituent parts of the Soviet Union, such as Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Kazakhstan. Holbrooke is soliciting U.S. bases in these former Soviet republics under the guise of the ever-expanding “war on terror.
    […]
    Bear in mind, the real goal is not US world hegemony, but the set up world war theater of False Armageddon!

    • “The U.S. has already encircled Iran with military bases. The U.S. government intends to neutralize China by seizing control over the Middle East and cutting China off from oil.”

  29. ..”But enough quibbling; on to the really interesting stuff. First, let’s look at The Omen. Damien is born of a jackal, a sort of blasphemous mockery of the virgin birth of Christ. The Bible says nothing on this subject, but one recurring note in medieval speculation was that Antichrist would be born of a whore through the power of Satan..” http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/art_antichrist_superstar.htm

    OK…stop laughing….so I’ve watched a few too many Damien movies…LOL Ha Ha!

    • Lyndsey

      Robert Price is an atheist – “bible scholar” – who works against the Bible by using secular and atheistic sources to prove the bible is wrong. Why are you referring to him?

      • That is the website where I found the above info….have no idea who he is or was..sorry.

  30. Found something interesting…I have never heard of Javier Solana until now….http://www.jonathanselby.com/EU666.html

    “The Bible describes a leader (known as the Antichrist) who will come to power by signing a covenant with many (Daniel 9:27) that would begin the seven year tribulation. If we are living in the last days, then that person should be alive today. There is a person right now who fits the Biblical descriptions of the Antichrist, and his name is Javier Solana. It should be noted that I am not saying that Javier Solana is the Antichrist. I am merely presenting a comparison of what the Bible says about the Antichrist and public knowledge of Javier Solana. Another man could very well fulfill all these prophecies. The Antichrist will soon be revealed, but, right now, I am simply presenting an educated guess. Furthermore, the European Neighborhood Policy may or may not be the seven year covenant with many prophesied in Daniel 9:27. Again, I am simply presenting an educated guess. He will be the prince of the people that destroyed Jerusalem (Daniel 9:26). Daniel states that the Antichrist would be the prince of the people that would destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (the Temple). In AD 70, Jerusalem and the Temple were literally destroyed by the Roman armies under the command of Titus. The Antichrist will therefore be a prince of the Revived Roman Empire, or in modern terms, Europe. Javier Solana is the Secretary General of the Council of the European Union. The Council of the European Union 1 is the main decision making body for the European Union (EU). Javier Solana also holds two other important posts in Europe, the High Representative for the European Unions Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP) and the Secretary General of the Western European Union (WEU). These are possibly the highest posts currently achievable in the three organizations, and Javier Solana has all of them. His number is six hundred threescore and six [666] (Revelation 13:18). Solanas positions are all linked with the number 666 in official EU documents. The first document, issued in 1998 by the European Commission, was called Article 666 3 and called for the immediate appointment of a Secretary General of the Council of the EU and a High Representative for the CFSP who would have a strong political profile. The second document, titled Recommendation 666 4, called for special powers to be given to the WEU Secretary General and CFSP High Representative, enabling him to take control of political and military councils in the event of an emergency. He will head a 10 nation federation (Daniel 7:24). He is Secretary General of the WEU, the military arm of the EU, which is comprised of the 10 original member countries that signed the Treaty of Brussels. 5 These are the only nations of the WEU that have official member status. Other nations have different statuses 6 within the WEU. He will subdue 3 of those nations (Daniel 7:24). Britain, France and Germany, officially called the EU-3, 7 have apparently been jockeying for position to hold the lions share of foreign policy until such times that the EU Constitution is ratified and comes into force. This ambition has been brought to light by the EU-3s recent dealings with Irans nuclear program. The EU Constitution will create the official position of EU Foreign Secretary, which Javier Solana, the EU High Representative currently holds in an unofficial capacity. These three nations would need to be subdued in order to give Solana a clear shot at being the one voice of Europe. He will use peace to destroy many (Daniel 8:25). Javier Solana has been involved in various peace agreements, including being a primary architect of the Roadmap for Peace, a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. 8 He has stated that one of the rationales for building the European Union into a global power is to extend the zone of peace and prosperity across [the] continent [of Europe]. He will confirm a covenant with many nations for 7 years, and break it in the middle of those years (Daniel 9:27). Solanas European Neighborhood Policy (ENP) is to last from 2007-2013, 10 with a mid-term review period, 11 in which the High Representative (currently Javier Solana) will be involved. Sixteen nations 12 have signed up, including Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Israel signed up in December 2004. 13 All countries will have their agreements confirmed on January 1st, 2007. The ENPs prime aim is to bring security and political control to Europes borders. The ENP might very well be the covenant that triggers the start of the tribulation. He will put a stop to sacrifices made in Israels temple in the middle of the seven years (Daniel 9:27). A centerpiece of the Jewish temple services pertains to animal sacrifices. Part of the EUs seven-year budget for external actions will be directed at what is called thematic strategies. Among these strategies will include an action plan geared at bringing the participating nations in line with EU standards on animal welfare. 14 The date that these new standards are to be established is 2010. That date happens to coincide with the middle of the seven year period of the European Neighborhood Policy. Animal welfare standards may be the tool used to compel Israel to stop making sacrifices in their temple in the middle of the seven years. He will grow great towards the East and the South (Daniel 8:9). Javier Solana says this about the European Neighborhood Policy, The policy is in the first place aimed at developing closer relations between the European Union and its new neighbors to the East and the South. He will be of a kingdom that will engulf the whole world (Daniel 7:23). Although Javier Solana is High Representative of the WEU which is only a 10 nation federation, the tentacles of the WEU and the EU continue to spread throughout the world. Of the WEU, there are 10 full members, 8 affiliate members, 3 associate members, 2 affiliate associate members, 5 observers, 2 affiliate observers, 1 affiliate associate partner, 2 permanent guests and 4 special guests. 16 That makes the WEU a possible alliance of 37 nations. Of the EU, there are 25 members, currently 4 countries applying to be members, 17 and 16 nations who will be directly influenced by the EUs European Neighborhood Policy. Below are two maps 18 one of the Roman Empire and the other of the European Union and the countries under its influence. The map on the left is of the Roman Empire at the height of its power in 116 A.D. The map below is of the EU members (in dark blue), potential EU members (both shades of light blue), and the European Neighborhood Policy countries (in the darker green). As you can see, once the European Neighborhood Policy is put into place on January 1, 2007, the EUs influence will have roughly the same geographic scope as did the Roman Empire at the height of its power. He will be of a kingdom that is divided, partly strong and partly weak, and shall not cleave to each other (Daniel 2:41-43). It is easy to see how Europe is a Revived Roman Empire that is divided. The very fact that there is a WEU of 10 official members and a broader EU of 25 members shows a Europe that is still divided. The WEU, under the direction of Javier Solana, was meant to transfer its powers to the EU, but this never happened. It seems instead that the WEU has taken on the role of being the military arm of the European Union. For partly strong and partly weak, the WEU nations are mainly wealthy and politically strong, while the new members of the EU are generally poor and politically weak and unstable. And the fact that the nations will not cleave to one another has been demonstrated with the differing views on the Iraq war, the problems of ratifying the EU Constitution, amid other disagreements which seem to come up from time to time. He will attack the mightiest fortresses (Daniel 11:39). Solana is advocating the implementation of the EUs 2010 Headline Goal, 19 effectively a military response group which can be deployed in the event of an emergency. The timing of the formation of this Rapid Response Force should be noted. This initiative will be completed just as the European Neighborhood Policy will be reaching its mid-term review. Europe will therefore have a force capable of being deployed anywhere in world within 5-10 days should any particular country decide to step out of line. This is especially significant if the European Neighborhood Policy does end up being the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27. This is because the Antichrist uses his forces to invade many nations (Daniel 11:36-45). European countries are also working towards the goal of implementing the GMES 20 (Global Monitoring of Environment and Security), a network of satellites that will provide Europe with a Spy in the Sky by 2008. The prime aim of the GMES is to provide security to European borders. It will also ensure member states are complying with EU regulations, such as the common agricultural and fisheries policies. If Europe intends to have its own army which will be capable of being launched to deal with any situation in the world within 5-10 days, it will have to have a fast, efficient communication system, and the GMES fills this role”. (Author Unknown found on: From:http://www.prophecy.iblog.co.za/the-european-union-in-prophecy)/

  31. ok..whoever this Javier solana guy is….he has WAY TOO MUCH POWER for 1 guy….a must read…
    http://www.prophecynews.co.uk/content/view/18/27/

    Marianne,

    Have you heard of him?

    “His number is six hundred threescore and six (666 – Revelation 13:18)

    In 1999, Javier Solana was appointed the High Representative for Europe’s Common, Foreign and Security Policy. His position is linked in two places with the number 666 in official EU documents.

    The first document issued in 1998 by the European commission was called Article 666, and which called for the immediate election of a High Representative for the EU Common Foreign and Security Policy who would have a “strong political profile”, and be backed by “credible operational capabilities”.

    Quote: “666. In December the Vienna European Council expressed the opinion that the Secretary-General of the Council and High Representative for the CFSP should be appointed as soon as possible and be a personality with a strong political profile. It invited the Council to prepare common strategies on Russia, Ukraine, the Mediterranean region and the western Balkans, on the understanding that the first would be on Russia. Welcoming the new impetus given to the debate on a common European policy on security and defence, the European Council also noted that the CFSP should be backed by credible operational capabilities

    The second document, called “Recommendation 666”, which was drafted by Javier Solana himself in 2000, called for special powers to be given to the High Representative, enabling him to take control of European political and military councils in the event of an emergency.”…AND…”In October1999, Javier Solana finished his term as Secretary General of NATO, and became Secretary General of the Council of Europe. The Council of the European Union is the main decision making body for the EU. Javier Solana also holds two other important posts in Europe, the High Representative for the European Common, Foreign and Security Policy, and Secretary General of the WEU. These are possibly the highest posts currently achievable in the three organizations, and Javier Solana has all of them. In that sense Javier Solana is a “prince” or literally a ruler, and not a “king”, i.e. he has no kingdom as such (yet). Compare this with Daniel 7:24, which states the ten horns are ten “kings” which shall arise.”….AND…”Javier Solana’s European Neighbourhood Policy, is to last from 2007-2013, with a mid-term review period, in which Javier Solana himself will be involved. 16 nations have signed up, including Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Israel signed up in December 2004. All countries will have their agreements confirmed on January 1st, 2007. It’s prime aim is to bring security and political control to Europe’s borders as mentioned above.

    Some people have stated, and I was also of the impression, that this agreement could not be the covenant of Daniel 9:27, due to the differences in the prophetic 360 day calendar and our present calendar of 365 days. But examining the workings of the 360 day calendar, this may not pose a problem. The European Neighbourhood Policy lasts for a period of 2557 days, with each year containing 365 days, plus 2 days for leap years. The prophecy of Daniel runs according to the Jewish calendar, which contains only 360 days per year, giving a total of 2520 days. The Jews had a system of adding extra days to their years so that the seasons didn’t drift – 30 days after every six years, and 30 days after four years on the seven succession…”

  32. Shalom Lyndsey,
    Javier Solana has retired from the favourite candidate as AC, he isn’t anymore on the stage. His positions now got Arnaud Jacomet and Catherine Ashton.
    Imo the prophecy of the 10 horns in Daniel 7 is being fulfilled in front of our eyes by the creation of regionalized ten world economic regions. The Club of Rome (an Illuminati think tank) made the plan public in the 1970’s and referred to this super regions as “ten kingdoms”.
    Scripture says the Son of Perdition (SoP) 😉 will rule the whole earth, when these 10 kings will give him their power.
    The secular name of this kingdom of the SoP is the “NWO” and is about building a communist world government. Its already here, as the EU President van Rompuy, one of the ten kings, in December declared.
    Just recently,
    “Leaders of 32 Latin American and Caribbean nations attending a two-day summit in the Mexican beach resort of Cancun agreed Tuesday to create a new regional block excluding the United States and Canada.Calderon told the summit that the proposed new grouping must act as a “priority push for regional integration and promote the regional agenda in global meetings.” He urged the leaders attending the summit to put aside political and ideological differences and focus instead on a “future where the values we believe in — democracy, justice and freedom — can flourish.”

    The leaders are yet to work out the details about the structure and functioning of the new organization, which would be called the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States. The leaders acknowledged that the process could take years to complete, and agreed to meet in Venezuela in 2011 and in Chile the next year to advance the process.
    While Raul Castro welcomed the creation of the new bloc as a historic move toward “the constitution of a purely Latin American and Caribbean regional organization,” Chavez described it as an effort toward moving away from the U.S. “colonizing” the region.”
    http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/12675/53/

    For exhaustive infos on the North American Union one could search for this phrase on Infowars.com.

    There are also several other regionalized kingdoms coming into step by step existence at moment. This is through the works of the Powers that Be for globalistation and at the end for world government, NWO.
    For example,
    Wikipedia: The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) is an intergovernmental mutual-security organisation which was founded in 2001 in Shanghai by the leaders of CHINA, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, RUSSIA, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan.

    Isn’t it obvious that the whole world anticipated the illuminati plan and acts on this matter in concert?

    There are several websites, appearently private, who make a proposal for Asian Union.
    I believe these people are paid for influencing the average people and make them these ideas tastey, like it is also done with the idea of world government for a solution for all the problems of mankind and usher into a utopian scenario of universal “peace” and “love”!
    For example, a very revealing website:
    http://www.southasianunion.net/
    It is written by a moslem, with inevitable esoteric language. The cult of islam is nothing else then a mishmash of babylonian and pagan philosophies, which will find their amalgam and culmination together with the other basically similar world religions within the NWO world religion of SoP (New Age).

    • Note that the fourth kingdom devours the WHOLE EARTH and that it breaks it into pieces (ten pieces imo).
      It will be divers, because it is the first time in history a world wide kingdom and does not allow the nations to cling to their natural cultures.
      My guess is, that the three superregions who are “plucked out” by SoP are the ones who are seen as the Gog/Magog alliance in the fake armageddon coming against the R.o. Israel.

      Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
      Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

      • So, the 4th kingdom is the UN? or the EUnion?…thanks Silvan

        • You are very welcome 🙂
          The 4th kingdom is a world government, which the SoP reigns.
          The attributes are
          -total personal control through mind reading devices, an implanted chip (the beast mark) for location and sales, 24/7 video surveillance
          -family planning through mandatory sterilizing and abortion; abortion on demand, population reduction
          -persecution of “thought crimes” or “hate crimes”
          -prohibition of personal religion, religions will be all abolished except the New Age and Lucifer worship (U.N.s/and masonic religion). The faked Gog/Magog war’s minor goal is play out the montheistic religions against each other and label them as root for all evil, as further to create a “necessary” global government institution, in the name of peace, so that something like armageddon doenst happen anymore
          -further fascistic, i.e. connection of merchants coperations and the global government (climax of Babylon who will be eventually destroyed by Satan)
          -as also communistic, i.e. no personal ownership of goods
          The U.N. is the primary political vessel for the globalists at moment.
          This list is not exhaustive, you can add everything what a depraved and evil mind ruled by satan can imagine.
          http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/new_order_of_barbarians.html
          But they are all losers in the end!! 🙂

  33. Gavriel,
    I would like to know what this passage in Ezekiel refers to …

    ‘Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.’

    This gate is reserved for the prince ….
    What, if you know does that mean?
    Has this occurred yet? Or is it to a future time?
    Thank you

    • Hi Abigail,

      I think this already occurred during first coming of LORD Jesus Christ, since he entered the eastern gate and remains shut after Turks blocked it several centuries ago; But, Second Coming will also mirror the first coming, but this time in great glory – when LORD Jesus Christ will make way through Edom to Mount of Olives proceeding to Temple Mount and entering the eastern gate, consuming the Antichrist sitting in Holy of Holies with the breath of His mouth and shall destroy him the brightness of His coming; There will be no need for the eastern gate, since LORD’s presence in the Holy of Holies from that moment afterwards will be eternal!

  34. Gavriel
    Ezekiel 48 describes the new Jerusalem:
    Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
    Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
    Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
    Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
    Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

    Compare:

    Eze 48:31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.
    Eze 48:32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan.
    Eze 48:33 And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun.

    ************
    Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
    ************
    Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Gavriel do we agree that only the Body of Christ is found written in the Book of Life?
    Or is there another way?

  35. “Gavriel do we agree that only the Body of Christ is found written in the Book of Life?”

    YES!

  36. Oh I have to take it back for the sake of Truth..
    I have compared the measures and they are appearemtly not equal.
    Maybe you can help me?
    Appearently refers Ez.40-48 to the Millenium, not to post-millenial new Jerusalem.

    • Silvan,

      You have to remain loyal to the truth;

      We are on the eve of Friday, expecting seventh millenium (1 day=1,000 years), all preparations are done on Friday night – Just as the manna that fell from heaven to feed the Israelites on their Exodus to the Promised Land. They were to gather enough to feed themselves each day, and gather enough the day before the Sabbath, so not to gather on the Lord’s Day. Those that hoarded the manna found that it grew worms and went rancid
      and became putrid in their tents.

      • Gavriel,
        what do you mean?
        Do you know that the Bride, the Saints, the righteous people in CHrist, will be reigning together with Yahshua and the resurrected dead in Christ, the Millenium?

        Ez.48 shows how Jerusalem will be built in this Millenium, or maybe that chapter even describes the new Jerusalem in the new earth and heavens. That has to be found out, and I asked you for help.

        • You have to study more in order to understand everything in right perspective…of course, I know of coming reign of Christ!

          Messiah came in the fourth millennium – as sun was created on the fourth day – although light existed from the beginning of creation…Messiah establishes his kingdom on the Sabbath or seventh millennium with the New Temple and New Jerusalem…everything seems perfectly clear…where do you see contradiction with Ezekiel’s prophecy?

  37. Sylvan,

    Hi hope you are well.

    These are your words “I guess the early church kept the Torah, though it was transformed in regard to the covenants of blood sacrifice (now Yahshua) and priesthood (now Melchizedek), but all other covenants and Laws remained i think.”

    This statement you made is in error.

    Galatians 3:21-28 “Is the law against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture has concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our school master to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a school master. For ye are all children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many as you have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”

    There is more of about the Law in Galatians and other books. I would like to discuss them with you if you are willing.

    First of all notice that the scripture I have quoted is a continuous thought. Many people to their error quote a verse out of context and build their beliefs on that.

    Secondly the scripture is very clear in what it says. Verse 24 says “the law was our school master”. Verse 25 “we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”

    Get back to me on this and we will look at more scriptures that show we are no longer under the law but under grace.

    Where did I get that last statement?

    Romans 6:14 “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.”

    Who provided that grace?

    John 1:17 “For the law was given by Moses but graace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”

    Love,

    John

    • Shalom John,
      thanks for your concerns, but save your energy rather for obeying the Law.

      Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
      Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
      Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
      Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
      Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
      Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

      Paul never did say the Law would had been destroyed nor not to be obeyed, he just says that it doesnt make you saved and righteous.
      He wrote that to messianic jews. No wonder evangelical gentiles get that confused.
      But one could see it as a test..
      you will find in scripture what you want to find, if you have not the love to the Truth above everything.
      If you love Yashua you keep his law.
      When you are willing and a good servant the finger of YHWH is constantly writing his laws in your heart, more and more – the letter of the law vanishes but the spiritual character becomes clear (eg. hatred is murder, lust is adultery).
      Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people…

      I hope you can see it.
      YHWH bless!

  38. Shalom Marianne and Gavriel,
    I would be very happy if you could tell me your opinion about who are the two great nations of Ephraim and Manasseh from Genesis 48, who received the birthrightblessing of Israel (sth. Judah did not get).
    And it would be very nice if one of you could show me in scripture that outside of the King of Israel that there is another Israel.
    All biological Israel (and they’re incredible mixed now because of assimilation, in both Houses of Judah and Israel) who rejected Yah’shua, the King of Israel, when He was among us, and who continue to reject Him, cease being Israel but revert to being Jacob, the deceiver and the one who had not overcome. ISRAEL IS ONLY DEFINED BY RELATIONSHIP TO THE KING, YAH’SHUA. There are still natural (biological) and grafted branches. ALL promises to Israel of old apply to Israel of now (along with the curses) if we remain true to the King (Yahshua) and to His Laws (Torah).

    • hi silvan

      If physical Israel does not matter now, why would the identity of Ephraim and Manassah be important?

      • Hi Marianne, good morning!
        The matter of biological Israel is not so important for me as it is for you, by exalting the R.o.Israel, thats why I am asking you those questions.
        Can you do me that favor and give me your opinion about who are acc. to the word and promises of God these two nations?
        Another question: Do you have sympathy for the cause and statements of Zionist leader John Hagee?

        • HI Silvan

          Those 2 tribes (E & M) are just part of physical Israel/ Jacob. They have the same promises from God the rest of Israel has.

          Some people speculate and propose that these 2 tribes (E & M) represent Britain and the USA, but that is really stretching the imagination.

          IF E & M had certain traits and blessings, it would be evident for the past entire 4000 years, and not suddenly become apparent only in the 20th century.

          E & M are 2 Jewish tribes, and Britain and the USA are not predominantly Jewish. They are, instead, predominantly Gentile.

          • Marianne,
            -Israelites are not all Jews
            -only Josephs sons got the birthright blessing
            -God says they will become two great nations

            So, who are they then?

            • Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

              Jer 31:10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

  39. Silvan,

    Hope you are well.

    I suggest you read Colossians 2:14.

    But if you have it all figured out, even though you said you are still learning, the I will wish you God speed.

    Love,

    John

    • John, I will always learn. Also you. But what I have already understood that we are not free to do what we want to do and disobey Laws that God gave. When we break the Law, we are sinning.
      Grace is not a ticket for breaking the Law.

      Why do you think “handwritings” are the Torah?
      Because you simply WANT TO believe it!
      You have decided according to what you and your flesh want, and according to that you will find your scriptures (even New Ager read the bible).

      So there is just a little chance that you will listen and understand what I am writing to you, though our Master is in Matthew 5:19 so crystal clear, what your reward will be for your believes and teachings.

      Many people assume that the “handwriting of ordinances…nailed…to the cross” (Colossians 2:14), was God’s Ten Commandments. But this is not what Paul meant. The Greek word translated “handwriting” is cheirographon, and this is the only place the term is used in the Bible. It meant a handwritten record of debt, or what we would today call an IOU. In contemporary apocalyptic literature, this word was used to designate a “record book of sin,” meaning a written account of our sins.

      Paul was not saying that God’s law was nailed to the cross. What was nailed there, he said, was all record of our sins. Because God’s law required the death penalty for sin (Romans 6:23), this record is what “was against us, which was contrary to us”, not the law itself. He has forgiven us all our sins (Eph.1:7), and redeemed us from the curse of the law (Gal.3:13). Christ has utterly wiped out the damning evidence of broken laws and commandments which always hung over our heads, and has completely annulled it by nailing it over His own head on the cross. It is the evidence against us, not the law itself, that was nailed to the cross, enabling us to be forgiven.

      This becomes clear when we read the rest of this chapter. It is apparent that other issues were involved that had nothing to do with God’s laws given in the Old Testament. Among these were “principalities and powers” (verse 15), “false humility and worship of angels” (verse 18), forbidding to touch, taste and handle (verse 21) and “neglect of the body” (verse 23).

      Further, Paul referred to the false teachings in Colosse as rooted in “enticing words” (verse 4), “philosophy and vain deceit” and “the tradition of men” (verse 8). He also referred to submitting to “ordinances” of this world (verse 20) and “the commandments and doctrines of men” (verse 22). Could Paul, who in Romans 7:12 said the law is “holy and just and good,” possibly be referring to the same law here, or is he addressing an entirely different issue?

      God’s Word tells us that His commandments are never burdensome (1 John 5:3) They are not meaningless or arbitrary. They were given to humanity in love from a God of infinite wisdom and knowledge (Isaiah 55:8, 9). They were given to be a benefit to mankind, bringing blessings when obeyed (Deuteronomy 4:40; 5:29, 33). These commandments include God’s Sabbath.

      http://www.nccg.org/sabbath/sabbath-objections.html

      Not all of the Torah is valid today, imo. There are different parts in the Torah:
      (1) Laws and ordinances that divide Gentile from Jews;
      (2) Ordinances (like animal sacrifice) that point to the coming of, and atonement by, a Messiah; and
      (3) Moral and Ethical Laws.

      I believe that the first and second parts of this Law have been removed because they are either (a) no longer relevant (because the wall of partition between Jews and Gentile has now been removed) — e.g. laws governing entering others homes, etc., or (b) Because they have been fulfilled in the life, mission and work of Christ — since they were shadows, and the antetype is here, the shadows or types are no longer needed — e.g. animal sacrifices and various other related sacrifices and ordinances.

      And finally I believe that the third part is eternally valid in all dispensations where Christ, or the apostles through direct revelation, have not REFORMED it. The “New Testament” nowhere speaks of this part being “done away with” but rather being elevated spiritually, or purified. Often cited examples include Jesus’ confirmation of the Ten Commandments, His tightening up on the laws governing divorce, His insistence that His disciples live the Law even better than the Pharisees (i.e. without hypocrisy), his insistence on purity of heart and not just outward observance of the Law, etc..
      http://www.nccg.org/341Art-LoveLaw.html

      For example the Lord gave me in my spirit that to eat swine is wrong, unhealthy and unholy.. I just felt it.. this is Gods writing his Law in the hearts!

      • Simply said, in Colossians 2 Paul taught messianic Jews, who were their whole life into Judaism with it rabbinic and talmudic traditions, that what is “too much”.
        He taught these freshmen christians what is the true purpose and principles of YHWH behind the Torah laws.

        One could compare this with an evangelical brother teaching a recently born again former catholic, which catholic doctrines are wrong and which things are not required for salvation.
        Judaism is not better then Catholicism for that matter.

      • Hi Silvan

        That was an excellent explanation of Colossians. 🙂

  40. Silvan,

    Hi hope you are well.

    Before we go further with this let me see if I understand you.

    If I have it correctly you are saying that Christians should follow parts of the law. I think perhaps you are saying Jews converted to Christianity should follow the law. I am uncertain at this point.

    Scripture teaches that the Law is summed up in the command to “Love thy neighbour as thyself” see Romans 13:9.

    Exactly what are we to follow in the law then? The Law has a lot of commands.

    We all learn from each other and sometimes it is not the messages we wish to communicate.

    Love,

    John

    • John, my scripture based opinion which Laws we are to follow I wrote to yesterday..
      Yes, Love sums it all up. When you love your neighbour and God you wont break his Laws, which were given for a loving purpose.
      As our Master declares:
      Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
      The spiritual aspects in regards to Love, drawn from the letters of the Laws, is important.

      The Old Testament Torah is transformed into Old + New Testament Torah. What has radically changed is not the Law but the system of priestly service. Instead of going to Priests as mediators between God and man, Jesus Christ is our High Priestly mediator. Similarly, the legalistic observance of Torah does not bring us to the goal of perfection — obeying the commandments alone as a way of making us righteous with God is false; we are made right with God through faith in Christ and are brought to perfection through obedience to the commandments in Christ.

      The dividing of messianic Jews and evangelical “gentiles” is flawed, unnecessary, misleading and not God’s will. There is just one “new covenant Israel”, so to speak messianic Evangelicals, a combination of the TRUTH of both, who get rid of evangelical heresys like holding pagan holidays or the doctrine of lawlesness and on the other side get rid of messianic heresys like holding unto rabbinic or talmudic traditions, or other scoreful heresys on both sides.

      “The True Doctrine is that there was only ever “one Lord/Master (Yah’shua/Jesus), one faith and one baptism” (Eph.4:5) and not two. There is only one people of Yahweh and they are those who trust Yah’shua and obey the commandments (mitzvot) or Torah of Messianic Israel. Yahweh is no respector of races or nations and views all those who trust in Him as one nation of Messianic Israel. There is only One Gospel for All. Those who refuse to obey the commandments are considered disobedient and lawless (e.g. 1 Tim.1:9; Tit.2:14) do not inherit the first resurrection but the second because they are trying to trust Yah’shua and follow the “lawless one” (Satan) (2 Thess.2:8). Finally, there is no Theocratic Nation and won’t be until Yah’shua returns. We are not, as many Messianics teach, called to immigrate to the Republic of Israel…”
      http://nccg.org/568Art-Messianic_Heresies.html

      • silvan

        If Israel is there now, it is by God’s design. Nothing is a coincidence. There have been too many miraculous events preserving Israel in its establishment, and history of self defense.

        In the Zechariah 14 prophecy, the nations come against Jerusalem and the Jews there, and Messiah comes and stops the war. Obviously, it must already be established that Israel exists, if Christ is to come and defend it.

        • Marianne
          even though Judah is there in that place, and even though one third will be saved and recognize Messiah when he appears, that doesnt automatically mean that they have founded Yahwehs Israel in 1948.

          All Israelites (the SAINTS! Rev.20:9) will be gathered into the holy land when Jesus comes again.
          Ezekiel 37 says that!

          Judah will become Israelites when they see and believe in Messiah, before that they are Jacobites, only Israelites by DNA, and only one of the twelve tribes of Jacobs descendants.

          • Silvan, Marianne,

            I don’t mean to go into indepth arguements – just a clue…permission to establish and allow Jews to return to Israel by League of Nations perfectly parallels with Cyrus’ giving permission and allowing Jews from Babylonian captivity to return to the land of Israel and build the Second Temple – as undeniable fact that it was part of G-d’s design…this fits with the role of Messiah son of Joseph – of bringing the physical part of redemption…Joseph son of Jacob and Esther were both Messiahs from the category of Joseph – and they fulfilled G-d’s design and plan for redemption through political and physical means…while it is Messiah son of David – Lord Jesus Christ, that brings spiritual part of redemption through supernatural means…

          • Silvan

            The land of Israel contains now more than the tribe of Judah. Judah is just one tribe of Israel.

            DNA defines physical Israel.

            Just like there was a time when you were not saved yet, you were “in the womb,” waiting to be born again.

            In the same way, modern physical Israelites are also “in the womb,” waiting to be born again.

            • The House of Israel and Judah were divided into northern and southern kingdom.
              Ephraim and Manasseh from the House of Israel were promised to become a “great nation and a company of nations” (Gen.48).
              Israel and Judah will be reunited in the Millenium (Ez.37), but only the Saints, those who are obedient to the King of Israel.
              That is scripture. Dont add or take anything to or from it, please.

            • Marianne you say correctly:
              “Judah is just one tribe of Israel.”
              In Zechariah only Judah is in Jerusalem.
              So that means they have not been reunited, and Yashuas Israel has not been founded, because of course he is not here yet.

            • Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

              Until this world is finished, and the King of Israel is not here again, he will not set up a kingdom in this world.
              But yet you claim he has done it already!

            • Marianne,
              the Lord is telling how it will be when Israel is regathered by him:

              Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

              Has Israel a King?
              Are two nations become one?

              Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

              Are the Jews sinless?
              No, they are becoming like Soddom and Gomorrha, like it is America:
              http://www.gaytlvguide.com/
              “Welcome to Gay Tel Aviv

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              The vibrant scene is alive year-round, with dazzling nightlife, hip restaurants, stylish boutiques, and busy streets hopping with clubs and cafés: perfect for people who love to get out and about. Catch lesbian and gay film festivals, GLBT Pride celebrations and arts and culture festivals. What more could you want? Experience the pride of Tel Aviv Israel today. ”

              If my saying is bothering you, you will know you have made an idol out of the state of “Israel”.

              • The house of Israel are the northern 20 tribes. The house of Judah is just Judah. Each tribe had its territory, and Judah occupied the area around Jerusalem, which is why it is mentioned in Zechariah. The attack is against Jerusalem, which is where Judah happens to be located. It does not mean other tribes are not close by.

                In Israel today, all 12 tribes are represented by the inhabitants. Not just Judah. So, all 12 are already united.

                Jesus also said to his disciples and tell them that the kingdom of God is at hand, not to wait another 2000 years.

                Like in America, gays are a minority, although they are loud and try to make it look like they represent the majority opinion. They were not always there, until recently. Gays have a way of pushing themselves on every culture. It does not mean they represent the majority. They are an infection in every country now.

                • Here is the scriptures is the FIRSt mention of Jews …
                  2Ki 16:6 At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.

                  Israel was at war with the Jews.
                  Not with Judah … but with the Jews.

                • Marianne
                  YOUR GOD says:
                  The kingdom is IN YOU and it is not eating and drinking, BUT joy
                  and righteousness in the Holy Spirit!
                  Its a spiritual kingdom, not a worldly one!
                  The Republic of Israel is a worldly Kingdom and thus can NOT be of Yahshua!

                  And you KNOW what they fate of countries is who allow pride homosexuality!!

                • Luk 17:20
                  The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
                  Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

                  Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

            • The only ‘womb’ I know of is ‘death.’
              Where do you get the scriptures ‘in the womb’ from,
              ‘waiting to be born again’ ???
              I’ve never heard of such a thing.
              This is what Jesus said …
              Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
              Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
              That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

              So DNA do not count.
              Righteousness is given to him who believes the words of Christ.

              • And please note in the above scriptures the 2 words … see and enter.
                You cannot see nor can you enter the Kingdom of GOD .. unless you are born again.

              • Abigail and Silvan,

                I was speaking figuratively, as an analogy about the “womb.”

                Before we are “born again” spiritually, we are somehow in a condition (“womb”) where God has planted the seed of the Word of God in us, then we eventually respond and receive salvation.

                Before we were saved, we were “elected” to be saved, and God allowed the life experiences we had up to that point to play a part in preparing us to receive, and accept, that election by his grace.

                Even though we are still sinners during that time, the Holy Spirit is still dealing with us, and helping us develop to the point where we can finally “see” the truth, and “see” our sinful nature and repent, giving our hearts over to the Lord.

                This is what I meant by the “womb” experience.

                Also, the kingdom of God is “here” on the earth as long as the believers are here. And yes, it is a spiritual kingdom, but we reflect the heavenly in our walk on earth.

                Jesus demonstrated the spiritual kingdom while he was here. And after him, the disciples did also.

                The gospel was preached, people were saved, the sick were healed, the blind could see, and the lame could walk, and in even one case, the dead were brought back to life.

                Although the power to do this was spiritual, it happened in a physical realm.

                This should still be happening.

                The Word says that signs and wonders should follow those that believe.

                If this does not occur with believers, then they are denying the power that is within them, and denying this kingdom to others.

                • Marianne,
                  The Kingdom of God …
                  The Kingdom of Heaven …
                  Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
                  The Kingdom of Light …
                  And the light shineth in the darkness but the darkness comprehended it NOT.
                  Therefore …
                  Renounce the whole world and the whole matter therein and all its care and all its sins, in a word all its associations which are in it, that ye may be worthy of the mysteries of the Light and be saved from all the chastisements which are in the judgments

                • Marianne,
                  the difference between a spiritual-heavenly kingdom (Jesus’ kingdom) and an earthly kingdom is, that the latter has borders, citizens and a human King.
                  Jesus’ Kingdom is not from this world (HE says that!).

                  Until he returns, there simply will not be an earthly kingdom from him here in this world.

                  Or do you doubt his words??

                  When God establishes His kingdom here, it will be sin free, with a true King like David. THis is prophecied by God. He WILL NOT brake is words!
                  Everything else than sinless citizens woould be a shame for the King of future Israel.

                  And i may add.. the Republic of Israel is a great shame for Yahweh!

                  Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
                  Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
                  Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
                  Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
                  Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
                  Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
                  Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
                  Eze 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
                  Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

  41. Silvan,

    Hi hope you are well.

    I think the key word is Colossians is ordinances. That is the word handwriting is describing.

    Love,

    John

    • Shalom John,
      I am well so far, thank you. How are you?
      “Ordinances” is not referring to the Law, except you want to see it this way.
      Please read what I wrote to you.

  42. Dear John,
    about a year ago -while I was not concerned at all about holding Torah- I walked daily with the Lord in spirit, truth, repentance and a loving relationship. He regularly gave me things in my spirit. One of it was that I suddenly wanted to hold the Sabbath. I did, because I felt it pleased my Lord, and moreover it was a blessing for me.
    Then, another day, he gave me very clearly to understand that eating pigs is very bad for my health. At that time I still did not concern me with Torah dietary laws. Our Father has a loving purpose in giving his Laws, they are never void, but always to our very BEST!
    If you still believe you could eat swine, consider this prophecy about the end of those evangelical christians, when the Lord comes back:
    Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
    Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
    Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINE’S flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

    Consider your ways, brother, lest that be not YOUR fate!

    • Biblical Health Principles:
      http://www.nccg.org/267Art-Health.html

      • Silvan,
        Pigs are not a creation of God.
        In ancient times people had problems with disposing their garbage.
        So they cross breed a rat, a dog and boar resulting with an animal that would be somewhat domesticated and would solve the problem of garbage disposal.
        In other words they genetically manipulated the genes and in a type of cloning they were successful in this ‘creation’.
        And that is why a pig is an abomination.
        And also why it should never be eaten.
        And also why its organs should never be transplanted into a human ,,, etc etc….

    • Pigs and other unclean animals – through their flesh house demons – and this is the “spiritual” reason why it is forbidden to eat them…have you met humans with expression of the fact similar of that of the swine? well, it’s not “them”, it is demonic spirits affecting them…

      • Most ‘unclean animals are garbage disposals.
        Shell fish are bottom dwellers …
        Birds of prey are carnivorous.
        Etc. etc.

      • Morning Gavriel
        could it be that this is taught by Talmud?

        • And in New Testament also…why you think demons asked Jesus to send them in herd of pigs?

          I’m checking your webpage, it is very interesting.

  43. Silvan,

    Hi hope you are well. I’m still not a hundred percent clear.

    Do you believe Gentile Christians should keep the Law?

    Where do you see divisions in the law as you mention?

    (1) Laws and ordinances that divide Gentile from Jews;
    (2) Ordinances (like animal sacrifice) that point to the coming of, and atonement by, a Messiah; and
    (3) Moral and Ethical Laws.

    I understand what you are saying, I just would like to know from the Bible where you see these divided as you do?

    Love,

    John

  44. To Silvan and John

    I think these ordinances are explained further as commandments and doctrines of men in Col 2:21-22.


    It had said in Col 2:14 that our trespasses of “the handwriting of requirements” were nailed to the cross, and that these requirements were contrary to us, since they were due to principalities and powers (v15)


    God would not issue requirements against us, and then cancel his own ordinances. God’s word stands forever.


    These are demon inspired man made requirements that came through the oral tradition, and corrupted the pure ordinances of God, inspiring worship of angels, (v18) false humility, and neglect of the body, (V23) and other such superficial, vain things due to a puffed up fleshly mind (v18).


    AS far as these, these also have not been canceled, but improved or fulfilled

    (1) Laws and ordinances that divide Gentile from Jews;

    We now have these dividing believers (spiritual Jews) from unbelievers (spiritual gentiles)

    (2) Ordinances (like animal sacrifice) that point to the coming of, and atonement by, a Messiah;

    not canceled, but fulfilled. However, now animal sacrifices continue, in that our body becomes a living sacrifice daily. Although the atonement has been made for us, we still walk in bodies of flesh, and can still sin, so repentance is still required.

    (3) Moral and Ethical Laws.

    These still stand unaltered, as our guide to holiness.

  45. Marianne,

    Hi hope you are well.

    I understand what you are saying but I want to know where Bible scripture classifies these things as you have them broken down.

    The Law is the shadow of things to come. The Law, the Prophets, the Psalms, all the Old Testament in fact teaches us about Jesus.

    There has been a change in covenants. The New from Jesus is grace and the one from Moses is by law. There were also promises to Abraham give by faith.

    Now for example those animal sacrifices were fufilled in the sacrifice of Jesus. I think we all agree on that.

    However other things have changed as well. The sign of the covenant is no longer circumcision but baptism for example. Another point we touched was divorce. Grace is a more stricter covenant than the Law but also Grace has mercy.

    These changes are clear in scripture.

    Another point is that the Gentiles were never under the Law.

    Love,

    John

    • Hi John, I am sorry when I seemed to be rude..
      I will try to find that scripture for you,
      but also a good guide is your conscience and the work
      of God in your heart, who is writing his Laws.
      Maybe you can search also on nccg.org, there is plenty of articles on that.

      This is so beautiful Truth:

      “…what Yah’shua (Jesus) destroyed was all hope of making people live up to those standards independent of surrendering their lives to Him totally and of receiving the Ruach haQodesh (Holy Spirit) as their comforter and guide. We can only obey the Torah by having the Lawgiver live in our hearts. And to do that, we have to yield total sovereignty of our lives to Him by confessing and yielding up any and every sin attitude and habit that prevents Him from doing so completely. So, finally, then, how did Yah’shua (Jesus) fulfil the Law? And how can the Church or Messianic Fellowship, in so far as it is true to Christ, fulfil it today? And the answer can only be, by attention to the spirit of the Torah as well as to its letter. That is why, in the Sermon on the Mount, you will find Yah’shua (Jesus) stressing motives underlying the things we do. So hate is equivalent to murder, and the lustful eye is equivalent to adultery.

      But there is even more than this. Yah’shua (Jesus) fulfilled the law by bringing in the person of Himself as the incentive to keep it. The truth is, love of a person will get us all to do what no amount of rules and regulations could ever hope to accomplish. For love, people will go to the ends of the earth and even throw their lives away. So Yah’shua (Jesus) brought the way of love as the incentive to all true religion. Yahweh’s love in us, our love for Yahweh; “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.” That is the basis of all real religion which lifts us up to higher standards. Not just a command, but a statement! Not just a prohibition, but an offer! This is the royal way by which the Torah (Law) is kept. And when you hear this way adopted in any local church or assembly, you hear the authentic ring of Christianity. Not law first, but love first, and then the law is far more likely to be kept. This was ever Yah’shua’s (Jesus’) way.

      As traditional Christianity becomes progressively more lawless and immoral, we are experiencing in the Messianic movement something equally horrendous and destructive – that old Talmudic spirit of forcing rules and regulations down people’s throats and making them offenders for a word. And whilst we must absolutely preach Torah, we must first of all preach and live the love of Christ. Without it, Torah becomes a millstone around our necks. If we will but administer love, then the Torah will usually take care of itself, and people will understand what it is that under girds that love in the first place – not merely a wishy-washy sentimentality, but a passion for that which is concrete and everlasting. Love cannot in any case flourish in lawlessness. …”
      http://nccg.org/398Art-MisunderstandLaw.html

    • This is the startpage:
      http://nccg.org/NCtorah.html

      I would love you to join me in this internet ministry, as well if the others here’d do, my friends and brethren Marianne, Abigail, Lyndsey and Gavriel!
      http://messianicevangelicals.ning.com/

  46. Silvan,

    Hi hope you are well.

    Yes the Holy Spirit is a guide, but hear the words of John 14:26 “But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

    The problem with saying the Spirit told me this or that is that another person can say something contradictory to you and make the same claim of divine guidance. But we know the Word of God is true so it is the foundation of our faith. The Holy Spirit would never contradict the Word of God.

    Love,

    John

    • John
      yes thats why I recommend to you, to hear to YOUR heart and conscience, and not to mine “teachings”..

      But speaking about the Word of God:
      I have found what you want and I can give you now 100% proof that Paul did not preach that the Law is done away.

      Rom 3:31
      Do we then make void the law through faith [and grace]?
      God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

      Paul undebatable says as his conclusion in Chapter 3 of the letter to the Romans, who were GENTILES afaik:

      WE ESTABLISH THE LAW !

      Another good sermon:
      http://nccg.org/154Art-Law.html

  47. Really, WHAT is a Jew?
    There is indeed much confusion over this question both in the Churches, amongst the Jews themselves, and amongst non-Jews generally. There are basically three types of “Jew”:

    1. A Judahite. A Judahite is a true blood descendant of Jacob’s son, Judah. To be a Judahite you do not have to be 100% Jewish. Blood lineage is, according to the Word of God, traced through the father (as opposed to the false modern ‘Jewish’ mother line). The promises in Scripture that pertain to the Jews are to these literal descendants to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Judah;

    2. A Judean or an Israeli. A Judean was a citizen of the now extinct Kingdom of Judah from the time it became a separate country following the death of Solomon until the final dispersal by the Romans after the Bar Kokhba revolt in the second century AD. Since 1947 a new state called the Republic of Israel was formed and passport-holding citizens of that country are known today as Israelis as opposed to Israelites. An Israelite (like a Judahite) is a literal descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel whereas an Israeli is a citizen of a modern political entity. The two are not the same;

    3. A Jew. Although the word ‘Jew” appears throughout the New Testament in virtually every English Bible translation this is incorrect and should be translated as “Judean” (see #2 above). In other words, the New Testament “Jew” is in reality a citizen of the now extinct Roman Province of Judea. A distinction is made in the New Testament between the southerners (Judeans/”Jews”) and the northern Galileans. A “Jew” in the sense that it is used today is a person who subscribes to Talmudic Judaism and is a purely religious designation. The vast majority of Jews today (about 92%) are not descendants of Abraham at all – they are not Judahites. In other words, most of those who call themselves “Jews” today are, in fact, gentile converts to Judaism. Almost all “Jews” who came from, or still live in, Eastern Europe are of Turkish extraction, being the descendants of the Turkic tribe called the Khazars who converted to Talmudic Judaism centuries ago. Talmudic Judaism is not, moreover, the religion of Abraham’s descendants! Judaism has nothing to do with the people of Judah whatsoever because, like Catholicism which is based on the Bible and their traditions and occultism and the Pope’s ex cathedra statements, Judaism is based on the Old Testament and the traditions of the Rabbis and the Talmud and occultism. Talmudic Judaism is to the faith of the Old Testament Israelites what Catholicism is to New Testament Christianity – it is fundamentally different.

    To summarise, then, we have three entities:

    1. The Judahite, who is a literal blood descandant of Judah. They are for the most part completely interbred with the gentiles. All Bible prophecies about Israel and Judah pertain to these people;

    2. The ancient Judean or modern Israeli, who were, or are, citizens of political entities. The Bible says nothing about either of these because Israel is not a mere political entity. The Zionism of the Jews of the Israeli Republic is not the Zion of the Millennial Kingdom or the Zion of the former (now extinct) Israelite theocracy;

    3. The Jew who subscribes to the religious faith called Talmudic Judaism, which is a combination of the Mosaic Law, human tradition, occultism and Baal worship. It is militantly antichrist. It is a false religion. The true “Jew” who subscribes to the faith of the original Israelites no longer exists because that religious faith, and its political entity ‘Israel’, was brought to completion by Yah’shua the Messiah (Jesus Christ) and made into a Theocratic Order.

    Who, then, are the true “Jews”? As far as Yahweh-God is concerned, there are only (a) Judahites who are scattered across the world in all nations (including the Republic of Israel); and (b) Messianic Judahites – those descendants of the Patriarch Judah who have received Yah’shua (Jesus) as their Lord and Saviour, as well as those gentiles who are adopted into that particular Tribe.

    What, then, is true Israel? It is not the political entity called the “Republic of Israel”. True Israel is not yet gathered but remains scattered throughout the word (as well as in the ‘Israeli Republic’).

    An Israelite is (a) any descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel whether believer or unbeliever, whether of the House of Judah (Judahite) or any of the other eleven Houses – Ephraim, Manasseh, Benjamin, Naphtali, etc.; or (b) someone who belongs to the true Israel.

    The true Israel is a theocractic nation, presently in dispersion around the world (including within the secular political entity called the Israeli Republic), consisting of all those who have accepted Yah’shua (Jesus) as their Lord and Saviour and are walking in His Law (Torah). These people may either be (a) Israelites – the true blood descendants of Jacob/Israel, or (b) non-Israelites (gentiles) who, by their faith, are grafted into the vine tree of Israel and become Israelites by adoption.

    It should be clear from this biblical view of Israel and the Israelites that Talmudic Judaism is a satanic counterfeit of the true pattern, consisting of those who claim to be Jews (the decendants of Judah) who are not, and those non-Jews who have converted to their faith and have been ‘adopted’ as Talmudic Jews. In truth they have nothing to do with Israel whatsoever unless there are some amongst them who are actually Judahites by descent … and they are a tiny, tiny minority.

    How can we know today who a true Israelite is? Anyone who accepts Yah’shua (Jesus) as their Lord and Saviour and who walks in His commandments (His New Covenant Torah) is a true Israelite – whether Ephraimite or Judahite – and is evidencing some of the blood of Jacob in their veins.

    What, then, should Christians have to do with Talmudic Judaism, the Israeli Republic and Zionism? Absolutely nothing at all. Why not? Because they are counterfeits of the true Messianic faith and the true Theocratic State which Christ is King of. Modern Zionism was founded by an antichrist Theodor Herzl who inspired the eventual creation of a counterfeit “Israel” which has a man who is a secular “President”. The only True Israel has Christ as its King. Christians have been duped into supporting an anti-Christian counterfeit. They are sponsoring the emmigration into Israel of tens of thousands of unbelieving Khazars and other gentiles. They are supporting a state run by a religious clique who loathe Christianity, who blaspheme the true Messiah, and who cynically manipulate the good-will of Christians who believe these counterfeits are the “apple of God’s eye” into supporting them economically and politically. These Christians fail to realise that they are supporting a false Zionic system whose aim is total political world dominion and the extinction of Christianity! They might as well be supporting nazism.

    So how has Christendom been duped? In the same way that Christians are being duped by modern occultism dressed up as Christianity. They see a people who claim allegiance to the Old Testament, God’s Word, who use biblical terminology, celebrate biblical feasts, and who even worship – at least in Name – the same God, Yahweh-Elohim. They believe that the existence of the Israeli State is proof that biblical prophecy has been fulfilled.

    They have been duped. There have never been two Israel’s except in times of apostacy and rebellion, as when the Kingdom of Solomon divided into the two kingdoms of Israel (Ephraim) and Judea (Judah). When Yah’shua the Messiah (Jesus Christ) came to the earth He came not only as Saviour but also as King. The political entity called Judea, run by the Romans with the help of the Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes, was not the theocratic nation of “Israel”. It’s inhabitants were Israelite Judahites (true descendants of Judah) mixed up with various others (Samaritans, Greeks, etc.) who were following an apostate Mosaic faith – a kind of Mosaic “Catholicism”. Amongst these Mosaic “Catholics” – a minority – were true believers of the Torah (the Law of Moses) who recognised their Messiah when He came and who became the true, continuation Israel. Those Israelites who rejected Christ were literally cut off from true Israel, and those gentiles who believed Christ were grafted on. With the advent of Christ Israel (and its Judah subset) changed and a new Israelite (and its sub-set Judahite) was formed.

    Who, then, are the modern Messianic Jews? Are they the “true Jews”? Must Christians become “Messianic Jews” in order to be saved? To begin with, the Jews who convert to the Messiah aren’t necessarily Judahites. No doubt many are. Many of these “Jews” continue to follow the corrupt Talmudic Jewish traditions and are trying to force them onto the true faith. Not all of them are true Believers. Many Christians look upon Messianic Jews as a kind of super-race and bow down to them much as they do to the Israeli Republic, and many Messianc Jews are trying to lord it over their Ephraimite brothers. A purging of the Messianic Jews, and its false teachings, has yet to take place.

    There is a popular idea amongst the more ‘liberal’ Messianic Jews that there are two forms of Christianity – “Messianic Judaism” and “Gentile Christianity” and that gentiles are free to choose which way they want to go. This is, however, merely a guise for preserving some false elements of Talmudic Judaism, as well as encouraging “gentile Christians” to perpetuate some of their own pagan errors.

    There is, biblically-speaking, so such thing as “Messianic Judaism” and “Gentile Christianity”. Christ did not establish two churches, but one. He has permitted the rise of Messianic Judaism to teach Christendom those parts of the True Faith which have been destroyed by Catholicism – to bring Ephraim back to Torah.

    There is, amongst Messianc Jews, a euphamism, is you like, which says that the rôle of gentile Christians is to bring Yah’shua (Jesus) to the Jews, and the rôle of the Jews to bring Torah to the Christians. This is a misleading half-truth. Yahweh is not trying to create a “new Christianity” which is essentially a Messianic variant of Judaism, because ‘Judaism’ has nothing to do with the Gospel at all. Yahweh is in the process of creating Messianic Israel, and Messianic Israel will ultimately spell the death of both “gentile Christianity” and “Messianic Judaism”. Both are contaminated from different sources.

    The unification between New Covenant Judah and Ephraim has not yet taken place. There is still emnity – hostility and rivalry – between the two tribes. If the truth be known, gentile Christians (‘Ephraim’) are very upset about the rise of Messianic Judaism because the latter has exposed their paganism and brought a bright light to bear upon the truth of the Scriptures. And Ephraim is not keen to change – he loves his traditions as much as the New Testament Judean Pharisees, Saducees and Scribes loved their, and for which Yah’shua (Jesus) rebuked them. Messianic Judah, in his turn, has grown not a little proud and arrogant and, like the Judeans following Solomon’s death who tried to lord it over the northern Kingdom of Israel (Ephraim), are trying to lord it over Torah-observing Ephraimites today, as well as to bring over some false Talmudic Judaism into the faith. And the foolish Ephraimites, who have swallowed centuries of Jewish propaganda about the Jews being the master-race, are only too willing to defer and kow-tow to their modern Messianic equivalants whom wrongly assume to be theologically and racially superior.

    The unification of Judah and Ephraim is not going to be easy. It is not a Messiah vs. Torah issue: Ephraimites are receiving Torah and Judahites are receiving their Messiah. The issue now is: Which is the governing tribe of the 12 Tribe Messianic Confederacy?

    I’m afraid this issue, which has yet to really be dealt with in the Messianic community, is going to generate a lot of heat. And our brethren the Messianic Judahites (as opposed to the counterfeit Messianic Jews) aren’t going to like it.

    To Judah was given the honour and blessing to bring forth the Messiah, Yah’shua (Judah), and for its earthly king to hold the sceptre of government until the one to whom it rightly belongs (the Messiah) claims it (Gen.49:8-12; Ezek.19:1-7; 21:26-27; Mic.5:8; Num.24:9,17; Rev.5:5).

    The last Judahite King was Zedekiah. Thereafter it passed to the Heavenly King, Yah’shua ha Mashiach (Jesus Christ). Christ is now the theocratic Sovereign of Israel (not the ‘Israeli Republic’).

    In the patriarchal blessings given by Jacob to his sons (Gen.49) the longest are given to Judah and Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) because of the prominent rôles both would play historically. Judah’s hegemony extends to the time of the Messiah, who represents the fulfilment of Judah’s rôle, but thereafter it is Ephraim (Joseph) who receives the ascendant position. He is the “prince among his brothers” (v.26), his Millennial principality as the Ruling Tribe being foreshadowed in Joseph’s lordly rule not over the nations (represented by Egypt) but also over the Twelve Tribes, for he became an economic and political saviour to him at the time of the great famine in Canaan. Historically, it was Ephraim (to the north Europeans, but principally to the Anglo-Saxons) who brought the Judahite Messiah to the world through first the British Empire and then the British Commonwealth, “whose branches climb over a wall”.

    But Ephraim’s Christianity was corrupt, just as Messianic Judaism is today, and so Ephraim’s political hegemony over the nations was brought to an end from 1947 and onwards. The Ephraimite and Mannassahite nations (Great Britain and the United States, respectively) are no longer Christian nations but belong to the devil. They performed their tasks, just as other Israelite nations have performed their’s. Ephraim-Manasseh (Joseph) is, however, to be restored to rulership once he is purged of his gentile and pagan tendencies, to be the theocratic governing tribe during the Millennium, not as an imperial power as in the former British Empire, but as servant-rulers under the Judahite Messianic King.

    Unlike the group which calls itself “British Israel” which believes that Great Britain is Israel, it is our belief that Britain, along with every nation, contains Israelite blood. When Abraham was promised that his seed would bless every nation of the earth, the meaning was literal – that his descendants would interbreed with the gentiles and thus bless them. Those genes are to be found in every race today which is why every race is accepting the Messiah! Recent studies have shown, for example, that genes peculiar to the Tribe of Levi have been found in some black African tribes. And it is well known that the Ethiopians contain much Israelite blood from Judah, which is probably why it was the only African nation never to be colonised by Ephraimitish Britain (though briefly occupied by Italy). The Blood of Israel is everywhere, and God has literally fulfilled His prophecy to Abraham.

    The counterfeit Judahites – the Talmudic Jews – have been involved in one way or another in practically every political and economic conspiracy throughout history. Satan has used these people to whip up hatred against the true Judahites and Israelites generally. Notwithstanding this diabolical scheme, God still loves Talmudic Jews, even if He hates their Talmud, as He loves all people, and the true remnant of Judah amongst them will gradually come to promenance. Like a leaven in the lump, the Messianic Judahites in the Israeli Republic will bring a knowledge of a Saviour to these pseudo-Israelite Khazars. Inspite of the fact that the Israeli Republic is not actually ‘Israel’ (or ‘Judah’ for that matter), He has a purpose for the existence of this politico-religious entity. And He has a purpose for Talmudic Judaism which the Talmudic Jews never dreamed of, much as He had a purpose for the Roman Catholic Church in its pre-Reformation heyday. Inspite of Satan’s every scheme to corrupt and infiltrate, Yahweh always has the last Word and ultimately uses Satan’s machinations against him.

    Without the Talmudic Jews we might not know as much about Torah as we do and without the Catholics we would never have had a Christian Europe or a Reformation. So it is possible to look on all things in a positive light to some degree. Since Satan has to mix truth with error to get humans to believe the truth part, he must also deal with truth to some extent – whether in Catholicism or Talmudic Judaism – and it is this truth which eventually shines out and blots out the darkness.

    We should therefore take great care by resisting the temptation to totally ‘demonise’ the counterfeits because within them are good people whom Yahweh is using for His own purposes. Where there is a mixture of good and evil, both principles will be at work simultaneously, the one serving Yahweh, and the other the devil. There will be people who will choose one side of the mix or the other, and there will be those in the middle – confused and blind. We must pray for all Catholics and all Talmudic Jews, but we must especially pray for the good Catholics and the good Talmudic Jews. Christ is at work everywhere and we must let Him get on with His work.

    The extent to which the world has been deceived by Satan will shock even the most enlightened person when all is revealed in the last day. Who, for instance, could have believed that Satan would set up an occultist Israelite, Adolf Hitler, to murder millions of non-Israelite Talmudic Jewish Khazars who thought they were Israelites!! We will, when all the record books are open, be shocked at the extent to which the biological Israelites have sunk into apostacy over the millennia.

    Things are not what they seem. Lies are layered upon lies sandwiched between the occasional layer of truth. The deception – the global ripening in iniquity – is now almost complete. Satan has managed to get Israelites to hate themselves and their God! Who have all the principal wars been fought against in the last century? The two World Wars were essentially Israelite Civil Wars, repeating the old animosity of Ephraim for Judah. Britain/USA against Germany – all Israelite nations – killing one another. Satan has relished these things. And He has tried to get the USA/Britain to fight Russia, another nation full of Israelite blood. Though they appear different in terms of appearance and culture, that is only because of intermarrying with gentile nations, and apostacy from the truth.
    http://nccg.org/FAQ316-Jew.html

    • Dear Silvan

      You are mixing physical and spiritual Israel at will, to make your opinions count.

      I disagree with the statements below:

      An Israelite (like a Judahite) is a literal descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel whereas an Israeli is a citizen of a modern political entity. The two are not the same;

      It is possible to be both.

      The vast majority of Jews today (about 92%) are not descendants of Abraham at all – they are not Judahites. In other words, most of those who call themselves “Jews” today are, in fact, gentile converts to Judaism.

      Have you seen their DNA results, or did you get this off the internet? Only those who can prove they are Jews can become citizens of Israel. (However, acknowledged are Christians and Muslims who live there as residents)

      And where, in the history of Europe, did this mass conversion to Judaism occur? Gentiles in Europe hated the Jews, they did not even want to be around them.

      This “non-Israelite Talmudic Jewish Khazars” business is just anti-semitic propaganda.

      The true “Jew” who subscribes to the faith of the original Israelites no longer exists because that religious faith, and its political entity ‘Israel’, was brought to completion by Yah’shua the Messiah (Jesus Christ) and made into a Theocratic Order.

      While a “true Jew” is a Christian, by Paul’s statement, “real Old Covenant Jews” still practice real Torah Judaism, being blind to their Messiah, while waiting for him to show up, not realizing they missed him the first time.

      Remember, that all nations will be judged by how they treated physical Israel, and these nations will try at Armageddon to destroy it, but Jesus will intervene, on behalf of those he still considers his people. This means they really have to exist there, to receive this Messianic protection and deliverance from enemies.

      Physical Israel, the one you deny and condemn, is still holy to God, and he will prove this by bringing them to salvation at his return.

      I think you are reading too many anti-semitic websites.

  48. Silvan,

    Hi hope you are well.

    Regarding Romans 3:31 please read the whole chapter in context.

    Romans 3:21 “But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law although the law and prophets bear witness to it.”

    We can discuss this greater at length when I have time.

    Also you never answered my question about Gentiles. Do you think Gentiles should keep the law?

    There is only one faith Ephesians 4:5.

    Also Hebrews 7:12 “For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

    The New Convenant is different from the Old Convenant, I hope you agree.

    Love,

    John

    • John, thanks, I am not so well.

      What do you think does Paul mean, when he says “We establish the Law”?
      To whom did he say that?

  49. I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen..and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all..
    Neither shall they defile themselves any more with any of their transgressions..
    And David my servant shall be king over them.

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! arghh

  50. Silvan,

    Hi hope you are well.

    Go back to Romans 2. Start at verse 14 where Paul says the Gentiles do the things contained in the law. This is not diet or Holy days but the substance of the intention of the Law, mercy, righteousness. Up to the end of chapter 2 Paul is discussing Jews and Gentiles. The Jews did not keep the Law. In the early verses of Romans 3 Paul talks about those that are not obeying the Law. In verse 5 Paul asks “Is God unrighteous who takes vengance?” From verses 9 to 20 Paul is condemning everyone. Verse 11 “There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.” Verse 20 says “by the deeds of the law there shall be no flesh justified in his sight.” Verses 21 and 22 tells us that God’s righteousness is by faith. Verse 23 states humanities undone condition “For all have sinned.” Verse 24 talks of the redemption by grace. The next verses says that we are justified through faith. Then in verse 31 Paul asks “Do we then make the law void through faith?” Paul answers “God forbid: yea we establish the Law.” Then in Romans 4 Paul goes on to talks about Abraham and the theme of faith. Romans 4:15 “Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.”

    The Law is what defined what sin is. These question of whether faith makes the law void is no. When we walk in faith we establish the Law. As we discussed with divorce. We can no longer issue a ceritificate of divorce but can only divorce for adultry. If he look at a woman with lust we have committed adultry. As you have correctly understood the standards of the new convenant of grace is more stricter than the law.

    Look at Galatians 5:3-4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.”

    Don’t have more time now.

    Love,

    John

  51. VERY IMPORTANT:

    • Additional Informations (please watch Part 2 for confirmation that an Armageddon is planned!)

    • Silvan

      This man is so irritating and ridiculous, even if he does represent this Maitreya person.

      He says Maitreya has appeared on TV, but does not indicate who this guy is. There are hundreds of thousands of people who have also appeared on TV. So what else is new? Which person is it?

      To come out and state that Maitreya appeared on TV, and not even identify who that person is – is just teasing people, and keeping them in the dark. That is like me saying Jesus appeared as someone on TV, but did not say who the someone was.

      Everyone would at least like to know which program it was, and who this person is. Creme is playing mind games with people.

      That “star” was a holographic projection. I did not see it here in the USA, so it was not seen everywhere, but only where the equipment was set up.

      • Ridiculous? Hundreds of Millions of Esoterics, New Ager, Hindus, Buddhists, Masons, Witches and Satanists think else.. they think, Maitreya is THEIR man.
        In part 2 of the video it is explained why he is not disclosed as Maitreya: Because he is mimicking the life of Jesus CHrist.

        Cremes organization Share International is funded by the U.N. and is directly linked to Blavatsky and Bailey and her Lucifer Publishing Company, which is the U.N.s publisher..
        They again are ultimately tied to Freemasonry, the main religion and society of the Illuminati, who control the world (with the Jesuits) and will bring in that NWO and one world religion under the Vatican. Its all documented. Please watch “Externalization of the Hirarchy” if you want to know more.

        • Well, it is ridiculous to someone who is not spiritually blind. if the Maitreya guy had his photograph taken once before, what is the problem with doing that now? I want to see what he looks like.

          I have not heard of anyone duplicating the works of christ, that would be in the news, so I think he is faking it.

          • I guess we will hear of him soon enough…

            On another note, here is what 9/11 brings us as an outcome:
            “Since the establishment media is convinced that tea party members, 9/11 truthers, libertarians, Ron Paul supporters, and basically anyone with a dissenting political opinion is a likely domestic terrorist, they should be celebrating the fact that a new bill would allow the government to detain such people as “enemy belligerents” indefinitely and without trial based on their “suspected activity”.
            A person is considered a “high value detainee” if they fulfil one of the following criteria.

            (1) poses a threat of an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the U.S. or U.S. facilities abroad; (2) poses a threat to U.S. military personnel or U.S. military facilities; (3) potential intelligence value; (4) is a member of al Qaeda or a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda or (5) such other matters as the President considers appropriate.

            Now that the Southern Poverty Law Center and the federal government, via the MIAC report and innumerable other leaked documents, now consider virtually anyone with a dissenting opinion against the state as “posing a threat,” millions of peaceful American citizens could be swept up by this frightening dragnet of tyranny.
            However, according to the bill, an individual doesn’t even have to pose a threat to be snatched, detained and interrogated – they can merely be deemed to be of “potential intelligence value” or come under the vague and sweeping mandate of “such other matters as the President considers appropriate”…”
            http://www.prisonplanet.com/dissenters-to-be-detained-as-enemy-belligerents.html

            When that goes through everybody will be an Outlaw. The CIA kidnapped german citizens from inside Germany without problems from our government, they also have our personal datas and bank accounts.
            The “war on terror”.. how convenient.
            Is there anyone who still believes 9/11 was not an inside job?
            Or should I rather be quiet??????

            • Silvan,

              New Age is disguised Satanism and its adepts communicate telepathically ~ no joke!!! Exposing these things which are not new doesn’t make any difference spiritually ~ by this time most of us should be determined whether they are on Lord’s side or not, Vilna Gaon said that anyone who doesn’t fight it becomes part of it, so take sides…

              • Gavriel,
                I know very good what New Age is and thats why I am warning you.
                I couldnt care less what Vilna Gaon said, I only listen to Gods voice.
                I think you are still too much into rabbinical and talmudic traditions, you remind me of a former catholic who has left the church, but still hangs secretly unto the popes lips.
                Yahshua HaMashiach is not an adjunct on your jewish believe system, he has to be the very center of your life, thoughts and heart, and everything what does not come from the bible has to be either proven in the light of Gods word or rejected- better is to reject everything first at all. There is enough truth in the Bible, you dont need the Talmud or Rabbis. Make yourself free from that.
                I think it is pretty arrogant how you are talking to me (“take sides!”), even more when it is based on some Vilna Gaon stuff !

            • “potential intelligence value”…well, I don’t have to worry! 🙂 LOL

          • Antichrist is a spirit in the first place, he can possess any body he chooses, of course his final “destination” will be a Jewish body from Israel, and I think I have an idea who that is – person who currently lives in Tel-Aviv and runs his own website and claims to be “mashiach ben david” ~ Tel-Aviv is full of posters announcing his soon revelation, here is his website in Hebrew:

            http://m424.com/index.html

  52. According to a centuries-old rabbinical prophecy that appears to be coming true, on March 16, 2010, Israel will begin construction of the Third Temple in Jerusalem.

    During the 18th century, the Vilna Gaon, a respected rabbinical authority, prophesied that the Hurva Synagoge in Jerusalem, which was built during his day, would be destroyed and rebuilt twice, and that when the Hurva was completed for the third time, construction on the Third Temple would begin.

    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=20063

    I believe construction of the Third Temple will begin very soon by Antichrist (wicked Armilus) who now lives in Tel-Aviv; He has his own website in Hebrew, and on 24/02/2010 he gave 28 day countdown to Jews in Israel to accept him ~ before something terrible happens in his own words (15 days left from now)…here is source on his website in Hebrew:

    http://m424.com/last_news_6b.htm

    • gavriel

      WHo is this person? I tried to read some of his website…but it is difficult to make sense of some of it. He sounds angry about what has happened to/in Israel, but he also sounds crazy.

      • Hi Marianne,

        There are rumours regarding his identity, some say he is messianic activist David McPale who immigrated from England and made some mess in Israel back in the 80’s and he sat in prison for setting ablaze forests of Carmel several years ago, but it’s not for sure – this could be his partner, whom he calls “Prophet Elijah”…
        He is possessed by devil that’s for sure, what I find quite amazing is that no-one dares to touch him, not Shin Bet, not police, not politicians – although he makes death threats in every direction and against everyone – this can have three explanations – either he is agent provocateur and serves interests of establishment (doesn’t make sense at all), or he somehow blackmails officials (unlikely), or he really has supernatural assistance – the explanation which he himself gives! He claims to have access to “Heavenly Court” and UFOs through which he reveives all the information – he really can have access to supernatural realm, but it’s not “Heavenly Court”, more likely “Court of Satan”…
        He threatens to behead all the Orthodox Jews, Politicians and anyone who doesn’t support him after he comes to power ~ this perfectly fits picture of Armilus…

        • I thought Satan had access to the Heavenly court? see: Job Verse 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also.

          7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Satan answered, From going to and fro in the earth.

          8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man.

          9 Then Satan answered, Doth Job fear God for nought?

          10 Hast not thou made a hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands.

          11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

          12 And the Lord said unto Satan, all that he hath is in thy power: only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

          http://www.sacred-texts.com/wmn/wb/wb56.htm

          *Was this before or after he was cast out? Just wondering…..not sure myself, why Satan would still have access to the Heavenly Court after he was cast out…

        • Gavriel

          What do you think of his Hebrew? I just used a translation function to read it, but it still looks crazy and broken, and disoriented. He acts just like a radical Muslim who reads the Quran too much. Like a split personality disorder. Broken thoughts, not connected. Do you have arabs there who can speak Hebrew? I think that is who this person is…an arab muslim pretending to be a Jew.

          • Marianne,
            It’s like a Hebrew spoken on the streets, he is not Israeli born it’s clear, his knowledge in Torah and Kaballah is quite primitive, although it seems that he’s been reading Written Torah a lot (while he was in prison, I guess); He justifies this saying that Mashiach has to be like common people and speak common language and has to suffer (mimicking life of Jesus)…He speaks about evils of Muslims and Antisemite Supremacists and how they will assault the Jews after international forces enter Jerusalem (I think he himself is willing to invite them in), but at the same time he speaks how he will kill Jews who will reject him – he has this thing for Chabad and Lubavitcher Jews – probably he was rejected by them in the past and now he threatens to kill them all – the man is sick and needs help! But, every week there are new posters in Tel-Aviv announcing his soon revelation, and no-one dares to do anything about it! (Remember Hitler was also mentally ill/demonically possessed, and so will be Antichrist)…
            I don’t think he’s an Arab, I live near Jaffa and have many Arab neighbours who speak Hebrew – they have specific manner of speaking in Hebrew which is easy to distinguish; he is either American or Russian immigrant who lives here from the 80’s, he claims to be only half-Jewish like many Russian immigrants and explains that Mashiach has to be of mixed blood like King David.
            Here is a page and a doc. in English:

            http://m424.com/86_1_eng.htm

            http://m424.com/86_5_eng.doc

            • Do not be fooled – Antichrist doesn’t come as a great leader heading United Nations, he comes out of poor background – neglected and appearing pious, mimicking Jesus Christ, poor carpenter from forgotten village of Galilee…

  53. I do not know about the man who mimicking Jesus Christ… Frankly, there is abousate NO one on the earth is without sins.. And NO true Christ would walk on earth when he comes.. HE will be hovering over in the sky.. NOT touching the earth. Who is the master of the earth at this rate ?? Obviously, Satan is mastering the earth enough to create us HIS puppets playing horror and death and blame.. and much more.
    So, therefore, I will NOT pay heed to PEOPLE who says they are ” Christ” Listen careful inward toward heart and soul that twins yours to our Father in heaven.. there lays an answer…. Seek Him.. you shall find…

    Temple is underway.. Yes. And time is hastingly shorten..Just be aware. And never listen to others and I do NOT care if they says they are healers or miarcles.. We have to verifty things very careful and heed to the warnings that Jesus left for us to see the clues lays in the bible…

    That is all I can say. lol…

  54. I have a general question…I see alot of references to the masonry and freemasonry as being satanic…I do have some concerns:

    My uncle is a 33rd degree Mason-I don’t understand the whole mason vs freemasonry thing. He and my Aunt attend Church each sunday…they are baptist. My concern is that I have to assign someone as my sons’ trustees over a trust that was left from my father when he died recently. I don’t have “family” per se other than my Uncle and aunt who are my adoptive father’s brother. Should I ask him about the above info regarding masons? (not sure how to even go about that) and should I reconsider my sons’ trustee?

    And what is this Mason stuff? Are we absolutely SURE they are associated with satanic stuff?

    Thank you
    Lyndsey

    • Hi Lyndsey

      I am not the best person to ask about the masons. Do some research on the internet, and see what you find out. You can try asking your uncle, but it is a secret society, so he will not reveal much. It is not unusual for masons to attend church.

      My understanding is that at the top level, when they get sworn in, they pledge on the Quran, not the bible, and pledge allegiance to Lucifer.

      This is not known at the lower levels, and masons are slowly indoctrinated degree by degree until they get to level 33. At that time, they are fully indoctrinated in the occult.

      This is what I have read or been told. I have no first hand knowledge of this group.

  55. Hi Marianne,

    Well, I couldn’t find anything positive about the Masons…I am trying to remember for sure if my uncle is 33 or 3rd..I know that it has a “3” in it and thought certain that my father said he was 33. My father also told me this story as to why he never joined…long story short, there was a man who was killed by his son n law on his front porch. The son n law and his friends who witnessed this were all masons, in fact, they were holding one of their meetings at this mans’ home (this would have been late 30s or early 40s) The arguement was over the father n law not changing his clothes after working in the field and the son n law was embarrassed by this due to his friends being there…a verbal fight turned ugly and the son n law shot him with a shot gun there on the porch in front of all the others. The guy never went to jail-all the witnesses lied about what happened to cover their “brother”. Needless to say, this had a profound impact on my dad and was the reason why he never joined after being pursued countless times. Now, why my uncle joined having the same knowledge as my dad, I will never know. But according to my dad, my uncle had achieved a high level.

    • lyndsey

      The final decision is yours. You want the best for your son, and for his welfare to be protected. Seek other options besides your uncle, if this is not good for you. Get advice from your bank.

    • That Great Society is evil Lyndsey.
      It has entered your family. It must be renounced …
      for your life and the life of your son.
      Do not hesitate and do this quickly …
      Renounce murder, that ye may be worthy of the mysteries of the Light and be saved from the crocodile-faced ruler, …this one who is in the cold, is the first chamber of the outer darkness.

    • By renouncing I mean …

      Thesaurus
      abjure
      verb formal
      she has abjured the doctrines of her parents’ faith renounce, relinquish, reject, forgo, disavow, abandon, deny, repudiate, give up, wash one’s hands of; eschew, abstain from, refrain from; informal kick, pack in; Law disaffirm; literary forsake; formal forswear, abnegate.

      Solemnly renounce …

    • Lyndsey, if your uncle is rich and has a top position in politics or else then he is 33rd degree. If not, he is most certainly “just” 3rd degree. But that is bad enough.
      He even may not be aware himself what is expecting him on the higher ranks.
      But already at this degree he has sworn an oath for the brotherhood until death, and breaking this is very dangerous for him.
      Pray, pray, pray and pray more and let yourself lead by Lord Jesus what to do.
      Your uncle is not a genuine christian, with a regenrated heart following only Jesus, dont trust him.

      • Thank you so much everyone! 🙂 This is most helpful. I felt in my heart that I should reconsider but remembered something about getting the counsel/confirmation of at least 2 ?? It is somewhere in the Bible…LOL

        Silvan,

        I believe he may be a 3rd because after reading about the 33rd I couldn’t see my uncle having that amount of money to “donate” and I certainly don’t recall him having ever taken a trip to Washington D.C., of course, I haven’t kept tabs on him either these past years. But no, he is not Rich per se, just comfortable and certainly not into politics (not to my knowledge anyway).

        Another interesting thing is this…I’ll try to make it short but wanted to tell it here because I definitely see the hand of God on our lives…July 2008 I had a horse accident while riding and was life flighted to our nearest trauma center with a head injury-I was told after several months of recovery that I almost died. The reason for mentioning the above is that I had named a close family friend as my sons’ guardians. Several months later after the accident, I began to “see” that my close friend, whom I thought I knew so well and trusted, was actually into withcraft and her husband was a MASON. I knew that she was involved in Ghost hunting and thought it was funny everytime she would leave her house in such a hurry to “investigate” but didn’t realize how deep it went until after my accident. (by the way, the doctors, many of them, including my neurologists, stated that I was indeed a miracle…that there was no medical explanation as to why I was sitting there in his office able to talk-I should have been brain dead at the least-God is Awesome)….so, long story short, since my accident, I can see how and why God spared me if only for the protection of my children-God saw what I did not and allowed me to live (without brain damage) so as to protect them from my wrong decision. Now, I am also faced with deciding upon another guardian/trustee and the only ones I could think of were my Aunt and Uncle-the one who is also a mason. Without even knowing how bad the Masons were until reading on this blog…thank you marianne, I felt in my “gut” that I needed to reconsider my choice. Now I know why…if I could ask…please pray on my children’s behalf as to their protection, always, even in my absence. They each have Autism, so an appropriate guardian is of the utmost importance.

        And Marianne, I will most certainly heed your advice regarding the bank; And abigail, I will most assuredly renounce any and all effect my indirect/direct association with the above has done…thank you so much to all of you-I am so blessed to have found this site-it has helped in so many ways! 🙂 Thank you!

        • Lyndsey I am so glad that you have listened to your heart 🙂 Thanks for sharing your testimony, brings me nearly to tears how God has shown his loving and caring hands in your life.. Now I know why I had to come here and post those “persisting” infos about that evil brotherhood. Iam praying for your precious innocent children, that Allmighty God will guard them.

          Our Lord Jesus will keep caring for you!

          Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

          • Thank you Silvan! 🙂

            Glad you did post the info….I see now how deceiving Satan is..with my friend, her husband and now my uncle. I feel for their situation. I remember my friend telling me that her husband “had to” join the masons for the business contacts because he was afraid of losing his business. By joining the Masons, his business would increase due to the contacts. Now, I don’t know why my uncle joined or when but most likely for the same reason. He worked at Lockheed and this is where he was approached to join. Now that my father has passed, I see now how he really did take the “road less travelled” per se…it would’ve been easier on him to join like everyone else but he kept to his morals (even before becoming a christian). Thank you again Silvan, I enjoy reading your blogs. 🙂

  56. Here is an interesting series …
    I don’t know on which page this short series would best fit …
    I personally do not think it anything new … but some may benefit from its info …
    This is the first of 9

    • Orwell comes true… and many people still can not see it.. how far this will go..

    • Marianne, Gavriel, please watch the entire series! Excellent!
      I urge you!

      • Silvan,

        I think you misunderstood my bitter sarcasm…

        I shared some of my story here with Marianne and Abigail regarding my own encounter with Satanism and witchcraft! For me it goes beyond conspiracy theories – my former friends, who I later discovered were devil-worshippers and witches almost turned my life into living nightmare, and became object of persecution after I made it clear to them that I don’t want to sell my soul to the LOSER=DEVIL and I accept Jesus Christ as LORD and Messiah! I certainly don’t mean to boast myself as a martyr ~ ‘cause I’m not, as the matter of the fact after this period in my life I became pathetic and lost all my physical and spiritual strengths, and don’t feel that I was loyal enough to the LORD as I should have been! After those mad folks (I call them mad because they imagined that the LORD is a tyrant and as a result rebelled by giving into the dark side and convencies of witchcraft and Satanism) understood that I don’t wish to give in, they started persecuting my family and friends ~ and began to give money as a bribe to my dearest friend and trying to turn him to the dark side instead of me…
        I know what the dark side is at the first hand, I know how to communicate telepathically, I know how it is possible to control the mind and possess the bodies of other living beings via astral projection and ESP and how to make contact with spirits and even attended ritual calling the devil = the loser himself…I am not ashamed to admit it, because I rejected them and pledged myself to Jesus Christ!

  57. Sylvan,

    Hi hope you are well.

    Two questions about the law.

    If you keep the Law do you stil abide by the punishments, like stoning somebody to death?

    And since there is only one faith do you think Gentiles should keep the Law?

    Love,

    John

    • John,
      I dont know where in the Torah the punishments are mentioned, maybe you can give me scripture?

      There is no, should be no, difference between “Gentiles” and Jews, when they are born into the new covenant in Messiah.
      They all become true Israelites who WANT to obey the Law out of love to their saviour.
      Christians from a jewish background, have to abandon the burden of Judaism, and evangelicals (who not all are non-Israelites by DNA) have to get rid of pagan practices and recognize that it is a monstrous heresy to be allowed to live lawlessnes.

      “In the Gospel there is neither Jew nor Gentile (Gal.3:28) because Messianic Israel is a new nation under a new King (Yah’shua). This means that both Jews and Gentiles must abandon their paganism and non-biblical doctrines and practices upon accepting Yah’shua as Messiah. There was only ever “one Lord/Master (Yah’shua/Jesus), one faith and one baptism” (Eph.4:5) and not two. There is only one people of Yahweh and they are those who trust Yah’shua and obey the commandments (mitzvot) or Torah of Messianic Israel. Yahweh is no respector of races or nations and views all those who trust in Him as one nation of Messianic Israel. There is only One Gospel for All. Those who refuse to obey the commandments are considered disobedient and lawless (e.g. 1 Tim.1:9; Tit.2:14) do not inherit the first resurrection but the second because they are trying to trust Yah’shua and follow the “lawless one” (Satan) (2 Thess.2:8).
      Furthermore, you cannot follow both the Messiah and Zionism because Zionism is a counterfeit secularist ‘theocracy’ without Theos/Elohim/God. http://www.nccg.org/568Art-Messianic_Heresies.html

  58. Redemption by 2015?
    BY RABBI NACHMAN KAHANA:

    BS”D
    Parashat Ki Tisa
    5770

    http://palmtreeofdeborah.blogspot.com/2010/03/redemption-by-2015.html

    • Dear Gavriel
      New Age is anti christianity, you told me that this is old knowledge and unimportant for the endtimes, also that I should fight them and if not I would become a part of them.

      Well, your link is anti christianity, it mentions christians as enemys, who possibly will be wiped out as a sign for jewish redemption.
      I guess you had in this case not the intention to warn us, but rather take this infos as valid informations in SOME WAY as inspired by Yahweh, who is allegedly the God of Judaism!
      I tell you what: He is not.. He can not, because he changes not, and he would NEVER ever deny and be against his Son.

      This link is out of the mind of an anti christ, and you dare to post it here. Especially even after you have accused me for doing exactly the same, but in my case I had the intention to warn my brethren.

      So, now, “anyone who doesnt fight this becomes part of it”..
      As I said, I think you are still part of Judaism, your culture, but for truely serving the Lord Yahshua and be his child, living as such and be able to hear his voice through the Holy Ruach, you have do get rid of this all, your old antichristian culture. He will help you with that. Promised!

      “You are not from the world!”

      But this whole matter goes even deeper, it shows vividly the discrepance between the teachings of the Bible, of Yahshua, the ONLY WAY, and the faith that there is another way for salvation outside for the Jews. It is NOT!
      YHWH may bless you and open your eyes to the Truth.
      Love the truth that you might be saved (2Th2:10)

      • Silvan

        Christianity is listed on Gavriel’s link as antisemitic (Amalek attacked the innocents of Israel) because it has a 2000 year history of persecuting the Jews.

        From calling them Christ killers, forced conversions under threat of death, or death for being Jewish, locking them in churches or synagogues, and then burning them alive.

        Only the current evangelistic movement has been kinder to them.

        They have a right to be cautious around Christians.

        Most have acted like devils to them. No wonder the gospel failed reaching the Jews. It is our fault, not theirs.

        Since the “true nation of Israel” would follow the teachings of Jesus and not persecute and put to death other human beings, there really has not been a “true nation of Israel” since the early 300s AD.

        Murder in the name of Jesus does not make one righteous.

        • Marianne
          I have expected what you are saying, and it is true in a sense.
          But the point is that Jews make no distinction between hostile christianity and true followers of christ, also named Christianity. They are not able to, they have no connection to the living YHWH and no discernment through His Ruach. (The old jewish testament prophets HAD a connection!)
          It is not “OUR” fault, we have absolutely nothing to do with hositle christianity (catholicism) and absolutely no relation to nor in common with them. How can you say that? Do you count yourself to them?
          True followers of Christ never had ANYTHING to do with the “church”, instead they were burned and tortured exactly like the Jews!

          Fact is, after all, this link and Judaism is anti Messiah, anti christian, and everyone who comes to faith in Yahshua has to renounce those doctrines of demons and personal demons in the Name of Yahshua, just like former witches have to do the same.
          Else they are sub consciously affected by those spirits and could lose their salvation.

          It is correct, a “true nation of Israel” like you say has never been on earth, but it will be when Yahshua and Yahweh will found His Kingdom AFTER this age!

          • Silvan

            Up until now, Jews have not been able to make a distinction between true and false Christianity, because they have never witnessed both, so that they can make a comparison.

            After 2000 years of abuse, you are going to have to be patient with them. We also need to be more proactive in ministering love, and help to them, instead of condemnation.

            I do not feel it is also because they have no connection with the Ruach, but because the presence of the Ruach is missing in those that call themselves Christians, that have hurt them. Jews do study the Word of God, and do feel spiritual connections with, and love for God.

            I still say it is our fault. If we have the truth, and do not share it in love, to those who do not know yet, how can we blame them?

            • You say … ‘ Up until now, Jews have not been able to make a distinction between true and false Christianity, because they have never witnessed both, so that they can make a comparison.’

              Let me add to this … ‘Those born from God are few indeed. No matter from which tribe or family they physically came from. Jesus spoke truly when He said … many shall come in my name saying that I am the Christ … and shall deceive many.
              Because many did and do profess that Jesus is the Christ and do profess themselves part of Him but they were not and still are not and never will be in truth known by Him.

              That is a mockery when they kill and disperse in the name of God. And those are already judge by God …
              they are just waiting for the verdict.

            • The Jews are able to find the Truth, else there would be no Christians from a jewish background. The others simply dont want to submit to the Only Way and Truth.

        • Marianne,
          when talking about the true nation of Israel we are talking about a spiritual kingdom. There is no earthly kingdom of Israel with borders and a King yet. (“My kingdom is not from this world”) Just read Ezekiel 37 how it looks like when Israel will be establisehd on earth.

          I have found out that Zechariah 12 was fulfilled at the cross of cavalry:
          Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
          Joh 19:35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
          Joh 19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
          Joh 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.(!!)

          This prophecy is already fulfilled and not related to the end times nor to the Jews.
          Jerusalem was being besieged by Nebuchadnezzar, and Zechariah speaks about that.
          You can read more here if you are interested in Truth: http://nccg.org/lev20100310.html

          • Also fulfilled:
            Zec 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

            Mat 26:31 Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

          • Silvan

            You have to be consistent with interpretation. Jesus was pierced 2000 years ago, but there were no armies surrounding Jerusalem from “all the nations.”

            Jesus was pierced 2000 years ago, but the nations did not look upon him, and mourn. The nations were not there. Just the Romans and the Jews. The Babylonians were not there. The only ones who mourned were those close to Jesus, which was a handful.

            Zechariah describes the future, when ALL nations come against Jerusalem, and Jesus returns to save the city and nation of Israel. It will be then that they will look upon him and mourn. They will recognize who they rejected as Messiah king.

            • Marianne
              I am not saying that Zechariah prophecy was fulfilled at the cross..
              Jesus and John are saying this.

              But re consistent interpretation: I am still wondering about your opinion that the Jews could simply assimilate Joseph’s sons who were prophecied to become two really blessed and great nations/ a company of nations.
              Did you read Ezekiel 37 ?

              • Ezechiel speaks of the return at the end, and the re-establishment of Israel. Joseph (representing Israel) and Judah are reunited in one land. I think this refers more to the descendants of Abraham than to modern countries.

                England and America cannot last too much longer, because they have to decrease in power, so that the one world system can take over.

                Any descendants of Abraham, “Jews” living in these countries, will leave and escape to Israel, thus completing the prophecy of the reunion between Joseph (representing Israel) and Judah.

                • Such racial “theories” regarding Israel and Jews, is no match to fierce eyes of Messiah – He will see spiritual root of each one of us and determine to which 12 tribes of Israel or similarily to which 70 gentile nations each one of us belong and will distribute us to the piece of land according to our spiritual root…When Jesus Christ returns and splits Mount of Olives in half, He will enter meditation and in one moment awaken Lost 10 Tribes of Israel and immediately 10 tribes will “remember” who they are and march towards Jerusalem ~ very likely march literally ~ Caucasus, Kurdistan, Afghanistan and other regions where they are found are not that far off from Jerusalem;

                  • Racial is to say:
                    The Jews are Gods chosen people. THAT is racial!

                    I am constantly saying that Gods people are the spiritual born again through the Only Way, from every nation.
                    “There is no Jew or Gentile, but all are one in Messiah”(Gal.3)

                    • Jews were Chosen because they were the only nation, tribe, race or culture that didn’t worship the devil and worshipped the LORD, and still do through being loyal to Torah and its 613 commandments;

                      Jesus said in parable that the son who says “NO” to his father but in the end does his will is preferable to the son who says “YES” but in the end does nothing…

          • Luk 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

            The days will come when they shall DESIRE to see One
            day of the son of man ….
            and they shall not see it!
            Who?? Those who awaits the messiah.

            From the time when they attacked their neighbors …
            this prophesy is being fulfilled.

      • Silvan,

        You are wrong regarding my beliefs;

        The truth is that I don’t have any regards not towards anti-Christian Judaism nor towards anti-Judaic Christianity (that includes any Christian group that belittles any of the 613 commandments of Torah); But, I preserve the right to use any webpage on the internet for the sake of sharing specific piece of information…

        I feel alienated both among Christians and both among Christ denying Orthodox Jews ~ rather it is Ruach Ha’Kodesh (Holy Spirit) that guides me all the way and helps me to detect truth from falsehood ~ it was Holy Spirit that showed me truth about LORD Jesus Christ and opened my eyes regarding what happened 2,000 years ago at Golgotha and what is about to happen in the near future in Jerusalem when LORD returns:

        Is.53:1 “Who would have believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the LORD been revealed?” ~ To me and few others!!! I am among few Jews who has the report about Jesus Christ before He comes in Glory on the Clouds of Heaven! And not the Christians who received this report from the testimony of the apostles through their ancestors – “arm of the LORD” has not been revealed to them, they heard this report from the others! Nor does Isaiah speak regarding Jews who will wail on account of Him during the Second Coming – it will not require “special report” – it will be clear as the sky!

        It is personal revelation, Silvan, on spiritual level, revelation full of confidence, bliss and peace! Not even good-hearted, loyal to the truth and kind Christians, like Marianne, can play determining role in regards of opening our eyes! And, certainly not rude, misguided and deluded Christians like you, Silvan ~ Christians like you simply scare the Jews off, and as the matter of the fact any person that thirsts for spirituality! Only HOLY SPIRIT – RUACH HAKODESH plays the role;

        • “it was Holy Spirit that showed me truth about LORD Jesus Christ and opened my eyes regarding what happened 2,000 years ago at Golgotha ”

          Hi Gavriel, your statement above touched my heart and this is why…felt that I needed to share this with you..and I guess everyone LOL : I was raised Baptist-strict Baptist. I heard so much about the crucifixion I became desensitized to it. Shortly after receiving the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, I realized just how desensitized I was to Jesus’ death and I desperately wanted to understand what he had done. I truly couldn’t grasp what he had done. It was more of a “once upon a time” then anything else. I diligently sought God for his help with this. Not long at all after praying about this, something incredible happened. As I live and breathe this is the absolute truth: Upon going to bed one night God changed my life forever. I remember VIVIDLY and this happened over 20 years ago. Not sure how to explain what it was, for I was asleep when this happened but according to scripture, God does this alot..OK, this is what happened, while “sleeping”, I WOKE UP and found myself at the crucifixion site/Golgotha! I remember the first thing I did was look down at what I was wearing, it was a dress of some kind like they wore back then. My head was covered. I remember the sounds (people talking-large crowd), the weather, what the sky looked like (an impending storm with dark gray clouds) and it was cool out-not cold but cool due to the storm coming. I looked in front of me and saw a “man” lying on the ground on a piece of wood (God withheld his identity and all knowledge of what was going on at this point). I saw this man lying there with his arm stretched out on a piece of wood, and then 2 soldiers came over with this enormous sized nail(I have never seen a nail this large except for maybe what they use for railroads). To my HORROR, they took a large “hammer” and pounded that huge nail in this mans’ wrist. I saw the blood shoot up in the air as if they had hit an artery or something. I started to think how to save this man from being MURDERED right in front of my eyes. I think I was in shock or something-I just couldn’t believe what they had just done…I remember running over to him and taking my dress and using it as a bandage; I remember thinking to myself that I have to stop this bleeding and how do I do that…and oh yeah, apply pressure, keep applying pressure so as to stop the bleeding-to keep him from bleeding to death. And then the revelation….This man turned his head to look at me (I was on his right side) and then I knew!!! I then knew WHO this man was and then I remembered what all this was about. Interestingly, I only remember his eyes. I remember how they really are “piercing”; HE was beautiful!!! He was soooooooooo sweet but firm at the same time when he looked at me and softly said that “every ounce of blood counted” and that I had to let him die. This hurts me to this day. I remember having to make the decision-to listen and obey him-. I had to do what he was asking me to do knowing that he would die if I walked away…I remember walking away while still facing him…. I then woke up and knew, beyond a shadow of any doubt that somehow, however God did it (I will never know) but I was THERE and I saw him being crucified-I saw only the first nail-that was enough. I know it sounds crazy but I tell you the truth, this was as real as I am sitting here typing these words. Even after this, I would still second guess myself and then I remembered the nail going into his wrist-NOT his hand, as I had been told all these years (Baptist upbringing). That was the one thing I took with me that confirmed for me that this had been real. Not understanding why it was in his wrist and not his hand as I had been taught, I saw a documentary one afternoon, years later, which was about why the nails had to be in his wrists vs his hands. If the nail had gone into his hand, the weight of his body could not have supported it and the nail would have broken the bones in his hands (scripture states that NO BONE was broken). The wrist is also considered the “hand” and so when referenced in scripture as “hand” it actually refers to the wrist.

          Needless to say, this has forever changed my life! I share this with as many as I feel lead to share it with. I pray that this blesses someone else as it has and continues to bless my life. God is incredible! He heard my prayers, the desire of my heart and He incredibly answered me by allowing me to experience firsthand what happened! I saw Jesus!! And just how amazingly BRAVE and COURAGEOUS and LOVING he TRULY is!!! I fell IN LOVE with him and he has had MY HEART ever since and forever more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) This is my testimony to the love of my life-Jesus; Yah’shua; King of Kings…………………

          • beautiful and touching testimony

          • And…..my BEST FRIEND!

            Soon after the above experience, Jesus visited me a few times in my “dreams”…not quite a dream for it wsa very real but not sure what to call it for I was “asleep”. The last time I saw him, he was having to leave after we had dinner together-we were eating bread and talking. He then had to go and I was very sad that he was leaving. He was walking down a long tunnel and when at the end he turned to look at me. From the middle of this tunnel entered a centurion soldier. The soldier was very angry and stood between me and Jesus. He DEMANDED to know if I knew this man. It felt very real and the threat he posed felt just as real. I knew if I said yes then this soldier was going to hurt me. He demanded a second time and while I stood there looking at Jesus, I felt such a strong love and closeness with him. I was so sad that he was leaving…..I responded to the soldier and said “yes, I know him”…He is my best friend! And then I woke up. I thought about this “dream” after posting the above and wanted to add-as a public acknowledgement-that more than anything, Jesus is my BEST FRIEND and I miss him very very much!

            And thank you Marianne! Your blog site is divinely created and it has brought up so many of my past experiences with Jesus. I love all of your topics and I am still continuing to learn so much. Thank you! 🙂

          • lyndsey,

            That is very touching and similar to my experience; But, I wasn’t sleeping ~ I was dying in a coma – at that point I thought I was already dead – there was NO light at the end of the tunnel – only my physical body which I perceived as this terrible beast – my egoistic nature to which I dedicated my whole life – and then the devil appeared full of irony, mocking sarcasm and skepticism: you see buddy, that’s all there is, this is what you are – ugly animal with the desire to receive only for yourself – even if there is God – you don’t really think that he will mind such an ugly creature – give into me and serve me – and I will give you some of my portion of existence on this earth and you will not die – which is not as good as the “light at the end of the tunnel” but still better than hell’s fire and suffering and death! Devil was about to possess my entire essence – and then came this magical:
            “NO!!! NEVER!!!”
            In less than a second this ugly beast that possessed my body disappeared – I realized that I was not that beast – I was tiny part of God crucified in three dimensional world of egoism – the “beast” was not the true me, the true me was God! The beast had no life of its own, as the matter of the fact the beast=physical body=egoism was also suffering and searched for deliverance and escape to spiritual realm of God!
            But, there was still a question – I knew that it was not through my own strength – being in spiritual realm I immediately received an answer in form of the pictures:
            Hilltop fool of gloom, during the twilight, few women weeping over the man hanging on a piece of a wood and cruel crowd full of hatred and possessed by devil applauding the crucifixion of the man from Galilee, not realizing that they crucify their own souls; Then immediately I saw the world full of darkness, humanity on the edge of total destruction by forces of Satan, as a punishment for crucifying their own Creator;
            I was yelling in my coma – that’s not possible, I heard everything about that man from Galilee, how could I be so blind not to see that Jesus Christ is in fact Messiah and LORD of Israel! We deserve punishment, we deserve destruction by satanic forces that awaits us! Then suddenly this ugly piece of wood, symbolizing betrayal and humiliation of God by humanity turned into beautiful shining light – Creator ruling the universe with warmth, serenity, compassion, love and eternal joy! Picture of crucified man changed into picture of a Saviour stretching His hands over mankind, sitting on a throne of eternity and extending ray of light from His feet all the way towards foreheads of the saved ones, whom He shelters in the dark world, proving that He is King over all – even over death and abyss!

            • That is awesome Gavriel! I am so happy for you that Jesus revealed himself to you in such a way.

    • The true nation of Israel is not the Jewish people but those of the original nation who accepted Yah’shua as their Messiah and King and those from other nations who have done the same thing and have become grafted in to Messianic Israel (Rom.11:17ff). Those Israelite Jews who rejected their King also rejected Yahweh’s Kingdom and ceased being Israelites, and automatically reverted back to being the unregenerated descendants of Jacob without a nation or a national homeland. This was underscored when they were driven from the Holy Land by the Romans nearly 2,000 years ago. The political entity established in 1948 was achieved through subterfuge, political intrigue and terrorism in a fleshy manner, imitating Ishmael’s and Esau’s ways rather than Isaac’s and Jacob’s, and wholly out of harmony with the spiritual principles upon which the true nation of Israel was established under Moses and Joshua and upon which it will be re-founded when Yah’shua returns. Moreover, the vast majority of modern Jews (over 90%) are known to have no racial connections to Abraham Jacob/Israel or Judah but are converts from other nations to the anti-messianic religion called ‘Judaism’. Both messianics and many evangelicals have been deceived by this counterfeit and have been led to believe that there are somehow two gospels of salvation – one for the anti-messianic Jews and one for those who accept Yah’shua as Messiah, and that ‘supporting Israel’ is somehow to be in God’s favour. This nation is not, however, of Yahweh and to support it is no different from supporting any other Messiah-rejecting, worldly state.
      http://www.nccg.org/568Art-Messianic_Heresies.html

  59. I am glad to see that some have come to knowing that there are 2 of everything.
    The Truth and the falsity. There are 2 Zions. There are 2 Jerusalem. And this is where choice is made.

    One is Heavenly the other earthly. One is from God the other a system of man.
    One from above the other is from below.

    I know for sure that it is this way! … because I have seen the New Jerusalem coming down from Heaven adorned as a Bride for Her Husband.
    I know for sure that it is this way … because I have been to The Mountain of God.

    • “I will not enter Jerusalem above, as long as I don’t enter Jerusalem below, says Holy One, Blessed Be He”

      Obviously for LORD all is ONE, and He finds joy of entering Jerusalem below superior to the joy of entering Jerusalem above”

      But, some of us like Silvan think that they know better than LORD;

      LORD cries for Shekinah in exile, he doesn’t cry for Heavenly Shekinah;

  60. This shows the mindset of your colleagues adn how dangerous it is:
    http://www.maqom.com/32598.doc ” Rav Nahman said to Rabbi Yitshak: What [is the meaning of what] is written [in Scripture], “The Holy One is in your midst and I will not come into the city (Hosea 11:9).” [Surely it cannot be that] because the Holy One is in the midst of you I shall not come into the city! He said to him: Thus said Rabbi Yohanan: The Holy One, blessed be He, said, ‘I will not enter Jerusalem above until I can enter the Jerusalem below.’ Is there then a Jerusalem above? Yes, for it is written, “Jerusalem, you are built as a city that is compact together. (Psalm 122:3)” (B. Taanit 5a)

    While Israel is in exile, and the earthly Jerusalem destroyed, God voluntarily goes into exile as well, waiting for Jerusalem to be rebuilt and for the cult to be reinstituted. The verse from Psalms can be taken to mean that the earthly Jerusalem has a companion Jerusalem in the heavens.

    Discussion Question

    1. Try meditating on this shiviti for a while. Does it open any gateways to spiritual connection?

    2. If you were to graphically represent your soul in a drawing, of what might it be composed? ”

    Meditating and opening “gateways to spiritual connection” is letting DEMONS in!!
    This IS esotreic thinking!!
    You are a New Ager if you believe this!

    • I think I touched your nerve, dear Silvan;

      You are angry, because deep inside you know where the truth is ~ you are not the only one!

      Please note ~ it’s not me who told you to go and search for this verse in Talmud, and it is only the begining – I have a feeling that you will become a good Talmud and Kaballah scholar!

      On the other hand, there were Rabbis, like Paul, who persecuted Jesus Christ, but there is a level in spiritual journey where Messiah meets us, like point of exit or entrance to spiritual realm – at that deciding moment when person decides to sell or not to sell their soul to the devil – we are told in that spiritual realm that Jesus is LORD! That’s why there are only to groups of people who know the truth regarding Jesus Christ – those who are persecuted in the name of Jesus Christ (because they refused to sell their souls) and those who gave into temptation of the dark side…

    • “The verse from Psalms can be taken to mean that the earthly Jerusalem has a companion Jerusalem in the heavens.”

      That makes sense…”thy kingdom come, thy will be done ON EARTH as IT IS IN HEAVEN…”

  61. Silvan,

    Hi hope you are well.

    If you are not aware of death penalties for breaking the Law then I suggest you read the book of Leviticus. 20:10 and on has several death penalities.

    Gotta get back to work. But I suggest you look into Leviticus there are lots of Laws.

    Love,

    John

  62. SONG OF SONGS CH.2

    7 ‘I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem, by the gazelles, and by the hinds of the field, that ye awaken not, nor stir up love = BUILD THE THIRD TEMPLE, until it please.’

    8 Hark! my beloved! behold, he cometh = LORD JESUS CHRIST, leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

    YUP, JEWS ARE TRYING TO AWAKEN AND STIR UP LOVE 7 YEARS EARLIER THAN THEY SHOULD, BUT JESUS CHRIST IS COMING ANYWAY !!!

    REJOICE AND BE GLAD EVERYONE !!!

  63. Listen up Silvan, Gavriel, John Lyndsey and Marianne,

    I am telling you the Truth. I not someone else … I saw Jerusalem coming down from Heaven adorned as a Bride for Her Husband!
    It was a vision! A quick vision … but in that holy moment from Eternity I saw the most beautiful city …
    She was dressed all in White from the exterior … I did not go in.
    What surprised me is that I knew what I was seeing because I exclaimed …’The New Jerusalem’ out loud!
    The city was square at its feet but there was something standing tall in its centre.
    Everything was white and then I saw one of its gates.
    It was a large gate … a very large Gate in the Form of an ancient Key Hole.
    It was an open gate and there was a white pearl all around the frame of the Gate.
    Everything was white … pure white.

    The city was coming down from Heaven!
    This happened monday after sunset … the 8th. of March 2010
    I am telling you the Truth!

    • I believe you Abigail; God is just incredible in what he can do!

      Another friend of mine, Monica, was shown Jesus’ return in the sky! She was raised catholic and later gave her heart to Jesus and is now a Christian. Speaking of….we need to pray for her husband who is trying to grasp this reality and has come as far as realizing there is a God, but is struggling with the knowledge of his Son and his resurrection.

      And back to your vision, lately I have been thinking alot on Jesus’ return. (I wouldn’t say this is a vision from God, just my creative thinking)…I see and HEAR the movement of EVERYONE bowing/on their knees and heads bowed when the sky begins to unfold…there is an immediate silence….everyone knows what is happening and the sound of everyone bowing is just incredible. Its like a loud “woosh”. And then I’ve also thought about when we meet him in the sky; I see an Angel suddenly appearing before each family and/or person and saying “are you ready” with their hands outstretched ready to take ours for the ascension.

      I do sense his coming. I know that the Holy Spirit will play such an important part in letting us know. I was at the store not long ago and while in line getting ready to check out, a litle boy, maybe 3 or 4, belonging to the man behind me said out loud..”daddy, how many more days left til Jesus returns?” Needless to say, we were speechless-I had no idea what to say and try to open my mouth to say something clever and nothing came out…but I knew in my heart/spirit that “out of the mouth of babes” the truth is revealed and confirmed….wow!

      Abigail, if God is able to part the red sea, bring water from a rock, walk on water, heal the sick, blind to see, raise Lazurus from the dead…. raise his SON from the dead…then OF COURSE I believe He can show you and anyone else who asks of His glory, city, return…you name it! 🙂 I am soooo happy for you and in what He showed you!

      • He IS on His way!!
        The Holy Jerusalem is COMING Down from Heaven!!

        At first it was like a star — a very bright white star — a Brightness and a Whiteness out of this world!
        The Holy City of My God — My Father —My King is Coming!!
        My Jerusalem — My Holy City — is coming!

        Be glad all who love Him because I am So Stirred …
        My God IS on His Way …!!!!
        Prepare to meet Him who IS Holy and True!

  64. Tell me everything…starting with the beginning… 🙂

    • I never documented my visions …
      About a month or two ago several times when I would enter into prayer after closing my eyes I would see an intense bright white light at a distance, for a second or two.
      The first time, I thought ‘a star … a far away star … wonder why The Lord is showing me a star. This ‘star’ was so beautifully white and clean.
      From time to time The lord showed me this ‘star’ approaching with a more intense brightness each time.
      I think He might have shown me it 3 times all together.
      And definitely each time the light was brighter and closer.
      The last time it filled my entire view … until Monday …
      He showed me the form of the brilliance … The New Jerusalem!

      Each time the vision only lasted seconds.
      What amazes me is that I recognized it and named it.
      To my knowledge I have never seen this City before.
      So the part of me that recognized it must have been The Holy Spirit.

      This magnificent city does not resemble any city which I have ever seen!
      It is not of this earth!
      It is a Heavenly City … All white and pure.
      Like I said it is approaching and descending from Heaven.
      I saw one Gate and I also recognized it as a Gate.
      Incredible!!
      I also saw something tall at its centre …
      The entire City was like veiled in White Light … but Light which I could see through
      … not blinding …
      The base of My Jerusalem was square … the gate was huge and its form was like a keyhole … The Gate was decorated with pearls … large pearls all around framing the Gate.
      The Holy Jerusalem is moving and coming down.
      What an awesome sight!!
      This is what I saw and this is what I heard myself say ‘The New Jerusalem!’
      I exclaimed this but also as though it was a normal fact.
      An expected fact.
      This is the best I can do for now in trying to explain this Holy and True vision.
      The City of My God is Coming down from Heaven.
      And SO SOON all will see it!

    • For you Abigail!

        • Let the river run
          Wake the nation
          Silver cities rise
          Come to the edge
          Run on the water
          and through the fog
          Sons and daughters
          The great and small
          Come through the fog
          Through the dark’ning dawn
          Let the river run
          Let all the dreamers
          Wake the nation
          Come. the New Jerusalem (song written by Carly Simon)

  65. “The base of My Jerusalem was square ”

    Check out the Temple Mount on the map on: Jerusalem will be divided: 2 governments

  66. “Sherry Vance (19 Feb 2010)
    “It Had To Start Sometime! When?”

    ——————————————————————————–

    I am just going to send this letter I recently wrote to someone asking me questions. It’s sort of an overall view of the whole timeline (summarized.) I’d like you to read it and then see what you think. Maybe it will give someone a different perspective and understanding.

    Unbeknownst to most people, the time of Jacob’s Trouble entailed THREE WEEKS, with the last Week, the 70th Week (7 years) being known as “The Time of Jacob’s Trouble from which Jacob shall be saved out of.”….(with the coming of the Messiah – or, better known as the Second Coming of Christ.)

    The point is, Jacob’s Trouble had to start “sometime.” How would you know when it started? You would know when the issue of the trouble with Jacob/Israel became the world-wide focus with “Jerusalem becoming a cup of trembling to the world.” Isn’t that where we are now? First was the birth of Israel (born in a day) in 1948. When Israel was 19 (following the analogy of the first time Israel became a nation under Moses) the age of 19 meant MATURITY – and it was also the age of NATIONAL SERVICE in Israel. It was also determined that those who were under 20 years old would be the only ones to GO INTO THE PROMISED LAND, with the rest of the people having to die off during the 40 years of wandering in the wilderness because of their rebellion against God. In other words, there would be a generation who would “pass away” and not go into the promised land which was covenanted to them by God Himself.

    Well, not surprisingly, within one month of when Israel was about to turn 20 years old, the 1967 Six Day War occurred and Israel re-unified Jerusalem!!!! First time in 2,000 years Jerusalem came under the sovereignty of the Jews. The FIG TREE had sprouted (1948) came of age/matured at 19-20 yrs, old, took national responsibility and reunified Jerusalem, their Eternal Capital!!!! Effectively, this marked the BEGINNING OF THE GENERATION THAT WOULD NOT PASS AWAY BUT WOULD SEE ALL THINGS FULFILLED!

    Coming right down the timeline…….

    Now, when would Jacob’s Trouble begin? Well, there has always been trouble for Israel – constant wars which they did not initiate, but which God used to continually increase their land mass (think pre- 48 & 67 borders). However, when the FOCUS came to rest on JERUSALEM, then we should have known it was the beginning of the end. Israel had been content to let Jordan remain in charge of Jerusalem. But during the 1967 war Jordan sided with her Arab brothers and Israel was forced to take Jerusalem back in defense. However, General Moshe Dyan was responsible for GIVING BACK THE TEMPLE MOUNT – for two reasons actually. One he was trying to show a gesture of “good will” (yuck, puke) and two, Moshe Dyan was not a biblical or religious person. He didn’t care about any of the prophecies concerning the Temple Mount or the Temple, etc. For that reason, meaning the reason of GIVING BACK THE TEMPLE MOUNT, God caused this LAST generation to again “wander in the wilderness” for another 40 years! If you doubt that, than take note that in the year 2007 (40 years) the 70th Week of Daniel began on Rosh HaShannah! That meant Israel’s 2nd set of 40 years had ended and something spectacular was about to begin! It would now be all about ISRAEL! It was the Sabbatical Year of 2007 – the beginning of the last week of Jacob’s Trouble FROM WHICH JACOB/ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED OUT OF!……in other words, the 70th Week of Daniel began on Rosh HaShannah, Sept. 13, 2007.

    But I’m getting ahead of myself. How would anybody know when the Three Weeks of Jacob’s Trouble began? Answer> when the focus of the world turned to Jerusalem and the issue of Israel’s right to exist in her land covenanted to her by God came into direct view – and opposition to world opinion. When did that happen?
    With the Oslo Accords in 1993. It was the first time the Arab nations “acknowledged Israel’s right to exist” – but not really. Their Charter still called for (and still does) the annihilation of Israel. The reason for the Oslo Accord was actually the Arabs trying to negotiate to get their Palestinian State. (This had actually been offered to them back in 1947, before the State of Israel was voted on by the UN. They turned it down. They wanted it ALL….but that’s no different than later when Arafat turned down 95% of the West Bank at the Wye Agreement.) Oh well.

    The Oslo Accords were signed ON Rosh HaShannah 1993…..a 7 year agreement, during which time multiple upon multiple meetings were attended to try to bring about a negotiated agreement to Palestinian Statehood. The analogy of this to the historical first week of Jacob’s Trouble was that Jacob DESIRED Rachel and agreed to work for 7 years for her. In 1993, Israel DESIRED PEACE and agreed in the Oslo Accord to work 7 years toward that end.

    The Second Week of Jacob’s Trouble began on Rosh HaShannah 2000 with the Palestinian Uprising, better known as the Intifada. Do you recall that Ariel Sharon went up on the Temple Mount and there were riots? Do you recall the next 7 years of bus bombings, suicide bombers, Israel under seige with terrorists? I was there. I was in Israel at least once or twice every year during that time. I SAW it. I was there and saw the barricaded public places, CNN set up on every corner in order not to miss yet another bombing, I saw every building, restaurant, grocery store, McDonald’s for heaven’s sake!, armed with security guards and check points in and out of malls and intersections, etc. The Sbarro’s Pizza on Ben Yehuda Street was bombed shortly after I left – I had just eaten pizza there! This was also the time when Israel started building The Fence….which was actually a literal (electronic) fence on 95% of the borders with electronic WALLS (like along the highways separating roadways from residential areas) along the other 5% of land running between Arab villages and Israeli villages to keep the Arab snipers from shooting into the Israeli towns and killing passersby traveling on the roads. (I was with a group of Jews one day visiting soldiers at a checkpoint opposite Tulkarem across from Netanya (where the Passover massacre occurred.) We were handing out candy & snacks to the soldiers while Arab snipers were shooting right then at the Wall from inside Tulkarem!…..(and no, I didn’t tell my husband when I called home that night!….but he did call me a few days later when he’d heard about another bus bombing in Jerusalem knowing I was there and that I sometimes took the bus.)

    In the historical analogy, Jacob still desired Rachel and willingly kept working for her, but it was a miserable second set of 7 years which he was surely somewhat disgruntled about, wouldn’t you think? Well, with the fence up, much of terror was thwarted. There was no real peace as 2006 ended, but Israel had settled into a kind of peace which they themselves had worked toward in building the fence. The real issue, though, was Israel had backed off the politic negotiations for the most part. No progress was seen and none seemed that important to pursue in light of the internal problems between Fatah and Hamas. WHO was Israel supposed to be dealing with anyway, Hamas, the terrorist organization which had been “democratically elected”? It was, still is, a struggle between the Arabs themselves as to who will be the spokesman or negotiator with the ‘evil Zionist occupiers’! And so the Second Week of Jacob’s Trouble ended. There were no more negotiations, no other “contract” between Israel and the Arabs….just like Laban & Jacob.

    The Third Week of Jacob’s Trouble began on Rosh HaShannah 2007 – a Sabbatical Year in the cycles of 7. It began relatively quiet. Not much seemed to be happening. WHY? Back to the analogy>>> In the first year of the third week, Jacob had already received Rachel. Jacob was no longer working for Laban….he had fulfilled his contract. He had worked for 14 years to get Rachel and now there was finally no more “contract” to labor under. But Jacob remained in Laban’s household for another year (which is that year which constitutes the 21 years of the three weeks since Jacob stated he’d been with Laban (under contract) for 20 years), however he was not under any working contract obligation. In that first year of the Third Week we call the Honeymoon Year, Rachel conceived and bore Joseph. Jacob wanted to “go back to his country then and asked Laban’s permission. Laban entreated Jacob to STAY because as long as Jacob was in his household, Laban was “blessed” (materially.) So Jacob agreed to stay on with Laban if he could “increase Laban’s flocks and herds and build his own inheritance from them.” Jacob worked another 6 years toward this end before finally leaving:
    (7 yr. contract (Leah) + 7 yr. contract (Rachel) + 1 year in Laban’s household yet no contract + 6 yr. laboring for inheritance/wages/economics = 21 years…..in other words, Israel worked under the lied-to-contract of the Oslo Accords from 1993-2000 and didn’t get the desire of his heart – Peace. Israel labored long and hard during the next 7 years laboring again for Peace while trying to stay alive, although they still didn’t get real peace…..it did quiet down thanks to the Fence.

    Now to plug the analogy into these present days >> In 2007, a Sabbatical Year, the start of the 70th Week, Third Week of Jacob’s Trouble, the first year (2007-2008) was quiet, just as it was for Rachel & Jacob due to his not having to labor under contract to Laban. But at the very beginning of the second year of the Third Week/70th Week ON ROSH HaSHANNAH 2008, we experienced a global ECONOMIC meltdown – the stock market closed at 777.68 !!! Did the three sevens get your attention? The analogy is a perfect fit – God is showing something here!!!!!! Three Sevens!!!!! The attention turned to ECONOMICS right on schedule….with SIX YEARS TO GO!!!!

    This is the analogy of the Three Weeks of Jacob’s Trouble. With what you know now and what the current situation is, and who is now in charge, and with all the hindsight plugged into Israel as the Fig Tree, her birth, her growth, her national service and responsibility of reunifying Jerusalem and the start of the generation which would not pass away (as the former generation did) but will go into the Promised Land/Kingdom on Earth, HOW CAN ANYBODY NOT BELEIVE WE ARE WHERE WE ARE!!!!????

    The reason we are where we are, is because this SET TIME had to start “someplace” and we see now when it did. I will tell you, Phil Rogers and I have had this timeline since way back in 2001. But we didn’t have complete understanding back then. We believed that the Second Coming would be in 2007 – not in 2014! Why? Well, we knew back in 2000 that Israel’s Rabbis had declared the ending of 6,000 years/man’s 6 days according to the Jewish calendar. If the 6th day (1,000 years for a day) was ended, it meant the 7th day had begun. Now understand that God gave man dominion over the earth (usurped by satan, of course, in the Garden) for 6,000 years, or 6 days. When the 7th Day came around it would be GOD’S DAY!….the SABBATH DAY.

    It stands to reason, if the 6th day has ended, the 7th day has begun. What would happen in the 7th Day? Well, the Jewish day begins at sundown…..the evening and the morning were the first day, etc……but on the 7th day, there is no such designation. There is no mention of evening nor morning. That means the Lord’s Day, the 7th Day goes on for as long as the Lord wants it to go on. Since the 6th day ended and the 7th day began, the Lord has now taken over…..what has He taken over? HIS PLAN TO BRING ALL OF HIS CREATION AND HIS PEOPLE TO REDEMPTION! Didn’t He say He will raise us up in the Third Day? This is the Third Day….it’s been 2 days (2,000 years) since Jesus was here. He has, in all this time, been building His Church/His Temple. Now it’s time to redeem His people Israel.

    The 7th Day began in 2000…….world attention started turning toward ISRAEL……Jerusalem came to the table in the form of a cup of trembling. Jacob began ‘wrestling’ with more and more ‘trouble’ but he is prevailing, hanging on until he gets his blessing.

    The 70th Week/Time of Jacob’s Trouble began in 2007. In the years that commenced on Rosh HaShannah 2007, we have seen the focus of the world turn to Israel, we have seen the focus on economics, we have seen the man-of-sin elected, we have even seen his turning away from Israel as our ally in the Middle East (remember > I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you saith the Lord)…..and in only 13 months the world will be at the MID-POINT of the 70th Week and the start of the time of great tribulation! We have about 11 months to go before we are swept off the scene before satan is cast out of Heaven. People are not seeing this. Most people sense something troubling and foreboding, but they don’t know why.

    Anyway, Phil and I didn’t understand that 2000 to 2007 was NOT the 70th Week as we thought it was because we were in the 7th day. Hindsight shows us where we went wrong. But the timeline itself was NOT wrong! It is still on schedule! At the end of the last week/Third Week/70th Week, the Lord will return…..in a Sabbatical Year…….with the following year being the Year of Jubliee – when all of His people are back in the land allotted for each Tribe. Creation will be redeemed, His people will be redeemed and the Kingdom will commence.

    Some people have been speculating that the 70th Week may somehow be “split”, but I don’t believe the 70th Week will be split in any way. Here’s proof of why:

    The 70th Week is a period of 7 years….seven regular years like any other.
    The reason the Week cannot be “separated” is this:
    The events described in Revelation follow an exact timetable as Daniel set forth. There is mention of 1335 days, 1290 days, 1260 days, 42 months. Now we don’t know (at first reading of Daniel or Revelation) when these days BEGIN. But if we know the timeline based on historical type and analogy (Jacob’s Three Weeks of Trouble) which is aligned to the 1993-2000-2007 scenario, then we can determine not only that we are IN the 70th Week, but we can also know the time that Christ Jesus will be crowned King of Kings because He will return and be crowned on the Feast of Trumpets at the end of the 70th Week. When is this? Sept. 25, 2014.

    So now we have a known date based on Jacob’s Trouble and the Return of the Messiah saving Jacob out of it. NOW we can know how to utilize the counting till the 1335th day —- blessed is he who comes to it!!! Count backwards FROM the crowning of Jesus the Messiah on the Feast of Trumpets/Rosh HaShannah Sept. 25, 2014…….we come to Jan. 2011….the time of the Resurrection/Rapture! We can also count backwards FROM Feast of Trumpets to the 1290th Day – the day of the abomination that maketh desolate. You will see that there are 45 days between the Resurrection/Rapture and the abomination. Forty Five days in which satan has been cast to Earth, God has granted him 42 months to “continue”, the antichrist receives his head wound, satan empowers the antichrist, antichrist “appears” to resurrect from the dead, he commits the abomination, declaring himself god and demanding worship.
    This occurs at the MID-POINT of the 70th Week. Meanwhile, God has put His hand of protection upon the Remnant of His people (who are still unbelieving Jews) and they have fled into the wilderness where God will keep them for the 42 months. These people are “hands off” to satan. He is enraged….so he goes after the remnant of the seed of the woman – in other words, Christ’s “seed” – those who become believers during this time. This will continue for 42 months. At the end of the 1260 days/42 months, Jesus Christ RETURNS! It isn’t yet the end of the 70th Week, however. There is an extra month of Adar in 2014. Those extra 30 days before the ending of the 70th Week will be the time that Jesus slays His enemies at Armageddon. He will stand on the Mt. of Olives which will split and the Temple Mount topography will be changed, raised up to accommodate the future Ezekiel’s Millennial Temple. A river of fresh water will spring from the Mt. of Olives earthquake and run down to the Dead Sea where the waters will be healed. Jesus will go into Bozra and lead out the Remnant, who, when they see Him, will recognize Him and mourn for Him whom they pierced. They will believe and be redeemed. The Sanhedrin, which everybody by now knows have re-convened in preparation for declaring “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord” (as Jesus prophesied), will ANNOINT Him. He will be crowned on Rosh HaShannah, coronation day of Israel’s kings and will fulfill the first of the Fall Feasts, Feast of Trumpets on Sept. 25, 2014.

    Now, tell me how this 70th Week can be divided or split in any way? It will take ALL of it to accomplish God’s Plan of Redemption for the world and for His people Israel.

    You know, this is probably the third, fourth, fifth time (I’ve lost count) that I’ve presented Jacob’s Trouble. The information has not changed, only the format in accordance with what someone asked about or speculated over. I’ve hoped that by re-writing it several different ways, I might reach someone who heretofore didn’t quite understand the way I previously wrote it. I welcome any questions. ”
    Shalom, Sherry Vance
    http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/sherryv219.htm

  67. lyndsey,

    I just read on what you have said. I listened to the words carefully and very throughly.. not by human way.. but in spiritual way to reach and to feel and sense if it holds the truth or nay.
    What you have wrote does held the truth and yes He is coming. I have known since birth most unaware ways up til a few years ago I began to see whom I truly belonged to and understood where I truly came from..
    Thank you for sharing your information that does hold the truth in it. Still much to get done… Blessings 🙂

    • Hey Tamera,

      Thank you! I copied it from the above website. I had googled Third Temple and Jacobs Trouble and came to that sight. I too try to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit as well when reading SO MANY opposing opinions on this that and the other-it can be confusing if not for the leading of our Holy Spirit. Thank you again Tamera and many Blessings to you as well 🙂 Come New Jerusalem!!!!

    • Lyndsey,

      Very interesting.
      What do you think about 45 days gap acc. to Daniel (1335 minus 1290) that will take place at the end of tribulation, when believers are required to be patient and survive this time period? What happens in this 45 days? Does it fall on Fall Feasts of Israel (Rosh Ha’shana, Kippur, Succoth, Atzeret) or half years later during Summer Feasts (Passover, Omer Countdown, Pentecost) ? I tried to mediate on this and came up with 10th of Marcheshvan (month of Noah’s flood) – 45 days after 25th of Elul – month of mercy, and exactly month after Yom Kippur – as a mirror event of the day of Judgment; Exactly as Purim mirrors Passover one month earlier;

      • Gavriel

        If Jacob’s trouble started in the Summer, as did the 6 Day War, it would end at the time of the Fall feasts 3 1/2 years later.

        45 days from that would be Channukah. 🙂

        They would need time to cleanse the temple after the antichrist violated it, and it would be ready in time for the feast of dedication.

        Just a thought….

        • Marianne,
          That’s a very good possibility.
          I mediate on the fact that Second Coming of Mashiach will reflect or mirror His First Coming; During First Coming Jesus entered Jerusalem 5 days before Summer Feasts would begin on 10th of Aviv ~ Passover symbolyses quality of mercy and national redemption of Israel, while Feast of Tabernacles symbolyses quality of Judgment and worldwide redemption of humanity ~ so Second Coming takes place during Fall Feasts;
          Also, take into account that month of Passover – Nissan is New Year (Rosh Hashana) for Kings of Israel; So from Mashiach’s point of view 1st of Nissan is what 1st of Tishrei is for the rest of humanity;

      • Hi Gavriel,

        I only copied/pasted the above letter written by Sherry Vance. I do not have an understanding of the math that is involved so I would not be able to answer your question. I had posted it here because it made sense what she was saying and wanted to get other views on it.

  68. Yes it does, Gavriel. Noah happens to be my favorite part.. 40 days and 40 nights it rain nonstop.. then I am not sure how long the ark finally found a land.. that part needs to be looked into also…
    Another part is a promise God created after the flood … a rainbow that He would never do this again. That is only one I remembered the most important part. 🙂

    I only say.. yes as confirmation.. That’s all. 🙂

    Blessings.

  69. http://www.lastdaysmystery.info/the_abomination_that_causes_desolation.htm

    According to the scriptures found within the above link, there has to be temple for the AC to cause the “abomination of desolation”.

    And, according to the Temple Institute (thank you Marianne), it has only been a rumor that the Third Temple is being built commencing on March 16th. However, there is a redication of the Churva, which is a precursor to the Third Temple.

    http://www.templeinstitute.org/main.htm

  70. ‘EU may push Israel into peace talks’

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=170894

  71. Zohar, Shemos 7a

    A pillar of fire will be seen standing from above to below 40 days. All the nations will see it. At that time Melech Hamoshiach will awakedn and go out from Gan Eden, from the place called Kan Tzippor, and will be revealed in the Galil. On that day that Moshiach goes out from there, the entire world will shake and all world will hide themselves in caves and clefts in the rocks, and they won’t think to be saved. […] After 40 days that the pillar will stand from the earth to the heavens in the eys of all the world the Moshiach will be revealed. A star will arise from the East side, flaming with all colors, and 7 other stars will go around this star and make a war with it on all sides 3 times a day for 70 days, and all the people of the world will see.

    Zohar, Balak 212b

    We have learned that in the future the Holy One will rebuild Yerushalyim and show one steady star, flashing with 70 pillars of fire, and with 70 sparks which illuminate (receive light) from it in the middle of the sky. There will be 70 other stars which are commanded and controlled from it, and they will illuminate and flame in the sky for 70 days.

    On the 6th day, the 25th day of the 6th month, the star will appear. It will be gathered on the 7th day, at the end of 70 days. On the first day it will be seen in the city of Rome. On the same day, 3 supernal walls of that city of Rome will fall and a great heichal will fall. The ruler of that city will die. Then the star will spread out to be seen in the world. In that time strong wars [among the goyim] will awaken in the world on all 4 sides and emunah will not be found among them.

    In the middle of the world, when that star will shine in the middle of the sky, a great king will arise and rule the world, and his spirit will gain pride over all the kings and he will awaken a war on 2 sides, and he will become strong against them.

    On the day that the star will be concealed, the Holy Land will quake 45 miles around the place of the Bais Hamikdash, and one cave under the ground will be revealed. From this cave will come out a strong fire to burn the world. From this cave a supernal branch will grow and it will rule over the whole world, and to it will be given the malchus. The supernal holy ones will gather to it. Then Moshiach will be revealed in the entire world and malchus will be given to him.

    • Gavriel,

      Don’t the 40 days and the 70 days contradict each other?

      This passage:

      the entire world will shake and all world will hide themselves in caves and clefts in the rocks, and they won’t think to be saved.

      coincides with the 6th seal of Revelation, in which there is an earthquake, the sun turns dark, the moon red, and the “stars” fall from the sky to earth…once this happens men run to hid in caves…..

  72. I wish you all a very blessed New Year and Rosh Chodesh (New Moon)!

    Dear Gavriel,
    according to Talmud scholars, the Talmud is the written form of the teachings of the Pharisees — the very sect of Jewish priests with whom Jesus of Nazareth argued.
    Jesus says of the Pharisaaes that they are of the devil in John 8:44. He and other NT writers condemned this teachings of the elders frequently.
    What is your opinion on this?
    In my opinion the Bible is the only infallible Word of God, and a follower of Christ is to study the Bible, where we can find in the PLAIN meaning knowledge and illumination. There is no “code” encrypted in the scriptures.

    I also have learned that Kabbalah contains “hidden knowledge”, in Latin “occult”. The heart of Kabbalistic teaching
    is the pursuit of secret knowledge.
    It is the age-old siren song. Learn the hidden mystery, the voice coos, and you will grasp the
    secret of life.
    One of the keystone beliefs of Kabbalah is that true
    interpretation of Scripture is based on knowledge that is
    hidden in the words, letters, numbers, and even the accent
    marks contained in the Hebrew Scripture. Only those who
    possess the secret key to interpretation may know these
    mysteries.
    The Scripture, however, proclaims a different story.The
    book of Deuteronomy declares, “For this commandment which
    I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far
    off” (Deuteronomy 30:11).
    Paul knew that the only mystery worth knowing is no
    longer a secret. It is a mystery that has been revealed and is
    now available to all: “the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith” (Romans 16:25-26).
    This is the Light toward which the Kabbalists grope.

    “Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying,‘I am the
    light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life’” (John 8:12).

    I would love to hear from you, Gavriel.
    Don’t think I want to attack you, rather I want to help you.
    I am not one of those average christians, who are often no true followers of Christ and who are shedding a negative light on the term christians.
    I may seem to be rude, but actually I am not, it just seems! Its difficult when one talks not face to face.

  73. http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/kabbalah.htm writes:

    The most hidden, secretive part of Kabbalah, commonly known as “practical Kabbalah”, involves use of hidden knowledge to affect the world in ways that could be described as magic. The Talmud and other sources ascribe supernatural activities to many great rabbis. Some rabbis pronounced a name of God and ascended into heaven to consult with the God and the angels on issues of great public concern. One scholar is said to have created an artificial man by reciting various names of God. Much later stories tell of a rabbi who created a man out of clay and brought it to life by putting in its mouth a piece of paper with a name of God on it. Some of these stories are no doubt untrue, at least as understood literally; but some are true. ”

    Gavriel,
    Isn’t this a form of Magic?
    Kabbalah seems to be a “bad tree”, dont you think?
    What do you personally gain from studying Kabbalah?
    Spirituality?
    Let yourself be filled by the Holy Spirit through repentance and calling on the Name of the Lord Yahshua, and immersing yourself in His Truth and Light, by praising His name and worshipping Him in Spirit!
    That is true spirituality – clean and holy spirituality!

  74. Dear Gavriel.
    Our level of Spirituality is directly equal to our
    level of Submission.

    Submission goes against our flesh, and it is hurting alittle bit inside at first. We dont like it – that’s natural.

    There is a barrier in our flesh, which has to be overcome by us through Faith in Messiah and Submission to Him.

    Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

    We have to die daily for ourselves, so that the Ruach HaQodesh can enter and use us and we can feel joyful, blessed, highly energized, secured in the arms of YHWH.

    (One can see here great parallels, created as intended, between bride and bridegroom)

    Rom 8:13
    For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body,
    ye shall live.
    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,
    they are the sons of God.

    If we want to walk in all that YHWH has for us then we should take “Vitamin S” to our daily lifes and stop eating the fast food of rebellion, like pride.

    1Pe 5:5 …
    God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
    Jas 4:10
    Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

    • “according to Talmud scholars, the Talmud is the written form of the teachings of the Pharisees”

      WRONG.

      Talmud alone records 7 different group of Pharissess, 6 of whom are bad and only one good.

      Talmud follows tradition of Rabbi Hillel, whose teachings are very similar to teachings of Jesus;

      “I would love to hear from you, Gavriel.
      Don’t think I want to attack you, rather I want to help you.”

      Give yourself a favour and help yourself.

      “Gavriel,
      Isn’t this a form of Magic?
      Kabbalah seems to be a “bad tree”, dont you think?”

      No, it’s not a form of magic, authentic Kabbalah is a spiritual discipline. Here is an authentic Kabbalah site:

      http://www.kabbalah.info/

      “Dear Gavriel.
      Our level of Spirituality is directly equal to our
      level of Submission.”

      It’s a bit out of proportion, that’s what Muslims teach, isn’t that?

      FEAR of The LORD is the begining of wisdom, there has to be FEAR first before anything – if one doesn’t enter Kingdom of God like a little child will not inherit it.

      I know Holy Spirit, I know of the warm homelike feeling and confidence it gives.

  75. Gavriel,
    I agree, Fear of YHWH is the beginning of Wisdom.

    But I am not speaking of wisdom.
    You will not be a disciple of the LORD, until you do not surrender your life, your soul, your will and everything you have unto the Lord.

    Do you know these words (thats not from the Quran):
    Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
    Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
    Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

    Ask Yah’shua, if it is HIS will that you are reading those books.
    Do you dare to ask him and maybe to get a negative answer?

    I will look at this link.

  76. Gavriel do you know what saving faith is:

    The total complete surrender of your life to Christ.

    It is a coming to the end of your self
    and a completely and entirely transfer of
    the ownership of
    all that you are
    and all that you have

    to all that He is

    Your life is no longer your life
    it is now His life
    Your time is no longer your time
    it is His time
    Your future is no longer your future
    it is His future

    Your books are no longer your books
    they are His books

  77. This is from your link:
    It is the very first I came across

    “…describing the laws and forces governing the universe on the spiritual realm.
    This material gradually TRANSFORMS THE STUDENTS, because when searching how to experience the spiritual world, one gradually adapts oneself to the spiritual laws described in the textbook.

    The science of Kabbalah does not deal with life in this world. Instead, by studying this system we RE-ATTAIN the LEVEL WE POSSESSED BEFORE WE DESCENDED. During this ascent, the study of Kabbalah builds within the student a system equal to the spiritual system.”

    It may sound good, but this is esoteric and dangerous occult stuff, Gavriel.
    Transforming oneself, controlling the spiritual realm, reincarnation, … gosh…

    Gavriel thats all unbiblical!

    Everything what happens in the spiritual realm apart from the Holy Spirit is indeed demonic.
    Please be very very careful when you take a trip,
    it can lead to possession.
    Please, ask Jesus what to do.

    It is often hard to recognize the devil behind beautiful things!

    2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    The only One who should transform us is the HOLY Spirit.

    Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, by having a new spirit, and walking after the Spirit (Ro 8:1,4 Ga 5:16,25)

    I will go into this occult stuff further, and I think I will find much more similarities to New Age.

    • Silvan

      There are different kinds of Kabbalah. Gavriel mentioned the Jewish one.

      Here, God is a mystery and is all powerful, but is not the God of forces you are referring to.

      The descent to this earth is birth. The only way we can ascend is to study the Word of God.

      It is not playing with the dark forces of the occult. The view of the Jewish Kabalah is that God rewards those who dig deep into the Word, and find hidden treasures of extra meanings, in addition to what is already there.

      God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, and this is their way of seeking him.

      When they discover a nugget of revelation, it is an exciting event in which they feel they have come closer to God.

      So, they are not just seeking some vague supernatural dark occult force, but the presence of God in his Word. Orthodox Jews do not believe in reincarnation.

      I think Kabbalah is the Jewish version of what Christians consider Bible study.

      this does not mean all Kabbalah is like this….most is new age in orientation. I guess on the surface, it all looks the same to an outsider.

      I think, even within Judaism, there may be correct Kabbalah (Orthodox), and New Age Kabbalah (for liberal Jews).

      With both Judaism and Christianity, there can be good doctrine and bad, so we all have to stay in line with the Word of God, and not add our own philosophies to it.

      • Marianne
        You said:
        “God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, and this is their way of seeking him.”

        Exactly! An other way…. why does Gavriel go him?

        Clear as water:

        Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
        If ye had known ME, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

        Something to “meditate” about and seek hidden knowledge.
        Some people believe there is another way. Sad.

        • Silvan

          Gavriel believes in Yeshua and the New Testament.

          The kabbalah only explores the Old Testament in its “diligent search” for God, because that was all there was at the time of its writing.

          Every day, on this site, we also dig for hidden meanings that escape the superficial eye. This does not make us occult, but deeply interested.

  78. According to your link,

    Kabbalah essentially teaches how to come to the knowledge
    of the Lord.

    Is that correct?


    Therefore, first and foremost, the wisdom of Kabbalah needs to be made clear. Kabbalist Yehuda Ashlag (Baal HaSulam) provides the following definition in his article “The Essence of the Wisdom of Kabbalah”:

    This wisdom is no more and no less than a sequence of roots, which hang down by way of cause and effect, in fixed, determined rules, interweaving to a single, exalted goal described as, “the REVELATION OF HIS GODLINESS TO HIS CREATURES in this world.”

    In simpler words, there is an upper, all-inclusive FORCE (!!!), or “the Creator,” controlling everything in reality. All the world’s forces descend from this comprehensive force. Some of these forces are familiar to us, such as gravity or electricity, while there are forces of a higher order that act while remaining hidden to us.

    Kabbalah holds the map or the knowledge of how these hidden forces are structured, and the laws by which they influence us. It teaches us (through books such as The Zohar and other means) how to develop a sense of these forces, and finally, discover their only purpose – to bring us to the revelation of the Creator, the all-inclusive law of nature, while living in this world.”

    GAVRIEL
    is this the “WISDOM” you spoke of?

    The creator a FORCE?

    THIS IS EXACTLY what NEW AGE teaches!

    The creator is NO FORCE! He is revealed how he is in the man Yah’shua HaMaschiach!

  79. The Antichrist will honour the God of FORCES !
    The God of FORCES is the God of New Age, Hinduism, Buddhism, and.. Kabbalah!

    Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
    Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour..

  80. Jesus is the EXPRESS IMAGE of the person of God,
    Jesus upholds all things of the universe with His Word

    Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
    Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    God made man in His image (Genesis)

  81. Come to the knowledge of the personal God, Jesus Christ, through His Holy Spirit, that is eternal life.

    Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    No one needs the hidden esoteric knowlegde of the Kabbalah,
    all we need to do is to repent from our sins,
    go to the cross, dying with Jesus on the cross and surrender our lives to Christ
    and STRIVE in spirit and in truth to enter through the narrow gate, because FEW are who can enter.

    I came across this video today

  82. Silvan,
    Give me and yourself a break! Your attempts to insult Jewish background of my beleifs are frustrating.

    I will not respond to your demagoguery, such as coming up with “Antichrist as god of the Forces” being the same as when writer describes Creator as all-inclusive force…

    The very concept of Holy Spirit – “Ruach Ha’Kodesh” comes from esoteric teachings of Rabbis, who (long before Christians), spoke of Holy Spirit being essential part of God revealed to us personally;

    Here is a CLUE:

    Entire BOOK OF REVELATIONS is written in the language of Kabbalah and is in fact Kabbalistic book, only Kaballah has the keys for undestanding the symbolism used by John the Revelator;

    • Gavriel,
      I am whatsoever not insulting anyone, I am talking about what Kabbalists believe, not about Jews.
      For example most spains or bavarians are catholics.
      When I am telling them that catholicism is idolatry and leads to destruction, they will not have the ideao that I am speaking against their nationality.

      However, the creator is no force- that is not biblical, therefore not true.

      We come to the intimate knowledge of God through Yahshua, and ONLY through him, HE said that personally in John 14:6, maybe you read that and study the true Word of God.

      Follow Christ, not the Kabbalah!
      There is no other way.

  83. * blinking *
    May I give you a ping-pong ball, Silvan and Gavriel ? * twinkle eyes * Forgive me, two of you. Why bickerings ? Why can’t you at least ask God himself instead of this ? *smile *
    Inner wisdom whispers coming through Holy Spirit only if you heed it closely for HE is in you and in us all.. and all around us.. and among us… Seek Him.. He shall lend you his wisdom.

    I cannot resist to lend you a wee bit humor in this situation. 🙂 Intelligence or who is right means nothing… What is right lays in thy heart and soul that threads you to God.. so silence is best.. and walk in God’s wing.. and you’ll be surprised. 🙂

    Big hugs you two.. Better share and look around and find what you discover and share.. NOT in that statement of ” Who’s right and who’s wrong”

    Blessings.. Should I get more popcorn ? * chuckle *

  84. “Kabbalah doesn’t only teach us the design of creation, but how we can become designers, as omnipotent and as omniscient as the original Designer of reality.”

    You will be like God…the oldest lie of the father of lies.
    Come one, really folks, open your eyes, Kabbalah is from the devil, here you have the proof.
    (This quotation is from Gavriel’s link)
    http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/openeng.htm
    Marianne you should help Gavriel instead of apologizing this demonic stuff (this has nothing to do with Jews!).
    You bear responsibility for souls coming here!
    Please…

    • I will forward your comment to Gavriel.

      I do not believe that I will ever become as omnipotent as the original Creator, even though he gives me creative abilities.

    • They nullify the word of God by their traditions.
      The Word of God is flawless!
      But they exalt themselves above His Word.
      Therefore …

    • It happens that many friendly Turks are subscribing to Islam.

      It is allowed to say about their religion the truth, that those doctrines are anti christ and demonic.

      It is not considered as racist against Turks.

      So why is it “anti semitic” to tell the truth about Judaism, which happens to be the main religion of the Jews?

      • Silvan

        If you want to know about Judaism, then go to a Jewish source, not an antisemitic source. Find out the truth, instead of believing lies posted on the internet for gullible people.

        The Jewish Talmud, not the one written by Arabs to deceive people, is a discussion of civil laws, about property, how to observe the sabbath, labor laws, etc. I have read parts of it and it is really boring. It is just a set of rules.

        • That quote i posted is from Gavriel… He said:
          “Here is an authentic Kabbalah site: http://www.kabbalah.info/

          Do you think he is deceived by a non-jewish unauthentic source?

          • Silvan

            Did you get those talmud quotes from there? Remember kabbalah is a philosophical look at the bible. Some is opinion, not meant to be fact. Just like here.

            This is a christian blog, but not everyone has the same opinion. We are not trying to replace the Word of God, just explain it, with different interpretations.

            They are doing the same thing. Some of their opinions are wrong, and some are right. people debate over kabbalah, just like we debate here.

            It is still an attempt to find the truth. it is a journey, not the destination.

            The Word of God is truth. Philosophy is an opinion of what the truth means.

            • Philosophy is of the devil..

              They wont find the truth, unless they turn to Jesus..

              and are guided by the Holy Spirit who leads into all truth..

              i do not sense very much of Him here..
              sorry..

              Bye bye

              • Silvan

                I am just trying to explain Judaism. I am not advocating it. We all know that Jews need to be saved. For most of them, this will not occur until Jesus comes back. I love you much.

            • Marianne,
              Kabbalah is not philosophy, originally it is tradition derived from the prophets of interpreting the divine chariot elaborated by Ezekiel – Maaseh Merkavah, chariot with 4 beasts upon which Son of Man = Mashiach = Jesus Christ sits upon;

  85. Marianne and Silvan and Gavriel,
    We must demolish every thing that puffs itself up against The Word of God.

    Here is a simple but good teaching.

  86. Silvan, Marianne, Abigail and all other BRETHREN in Christ,

    Because of of my physical condition I cannot go into this discussion in depth the way it DESERVES to be discussued ~ but, there is knowledge I possess which you do not possess which is the fact that Rabbi Akiba (along with his 5 disciples who wrote the Zohar – main Book of Kabbalah) ~ were persecuted and had to hide in cave in Meron ~ and R.Akiba was tortured by being cut into pieces slowly by Romans … as ordered by Jewish authorities of that time (who denied Christ) … and the reason is: that Rabbi Akiba and his disciples headed by Shimon Bar Yochai recognized Jesus as Messiah and L-ORD of Israel ~ as written in Zohar ~ Jesus Christ appears in Zohar as Metatron – encoded name for Jesus by disciples of Rabbi Akiba ~ as not to reveal the truth to those who are not worthy…

  87. Jewish authorities of the day accused Jesus of using Kabbalistic methods (such as stealing Holy Name from the Temple and using Merkavah techniques) in order to perform miracles ~ they went as far as accusing him of calling out demons such as Beelzebub to perform miracles ~ instead of arguing, why don’t you check response of Jesus to such accusations ~ surprisingly, he didn’t treat them as a slander or as out of proportion — OH THE IRONY!

    • You mean Jesus used Kabbalah?

      • Gavriel said Jesus was accused of using Kabbalah, not that he did use it.

        I do not think Jesus needed anything like Kabbalah, since he was above all that.

        He was the son of God. He did not need any teaching of man to perform miracles.

        I think the issue here really is “what is Kabbalah, and are there any forms that are legitimate?”

        Apparently, from what Silvan has found, there are some forms, at least, which have a dark side. These are to be avoided.

      • Authentic Kaballah is a method of interpreting the Law (Torah) and Holy Scriptures on its deepest level – the level which Prophets used to interpret it. Kabbalah literally means – to receive, namely tradition derived by the prophets of explaining the scriptures; I don’t think any sane believer will accuse Prophet Ezekiel of being a mystic or magician, since he saw visions of divine chariot;

        Everything that is true about Torah is true regarding authentic Kabbalah – if person uses it to attain certain spiritual level and if the person is wicked he can use it for the means of wickedness, like Balaam who was a prophet and communicated with True God, yet was wicked and used his knowledge to curse God’s people Israel and propagate idol-worship;

        Jesus had NO need to use Kabbalah, just as he had no need to use Torah itself, since Jesus, as The Lord and Son of God, was The One who communicated it to Moses atop Mount Sinai! Jewish authorities in the Temple were blind to this fact, so the only way they could explain spiritual superiority of Jesus was by accusing him of using Torah for the wicked means, in other words practising sorcery;

  88. *sigh*
    Looks like it is gonna be going nowhere if it keeps up that way. However, I have something that I should have shared the link with you all long ago.. I discovered it long before Obama came into picture. Bluntly, everyone kept thinking it is all point to isreal.. The reality, Isreal and Amercia are pretty much ” twin brothers whom blessed ” Looks like someone forgot that one.
    Secondly, here’s the link.. and be forewarned that it requires your time to read the entire. It is very wealthy information and knowledge of truth.

    http://siteofthesoul.com/hall.htm

    If having trouble with this link.. simply go on website to type in search … ” Site of the Soul ”

    I would like to say something a wee bit for uhm.. James methinks.
    Thank you for your uhm… advice.. Unfortunely, I cannot accept your words. Because your words does not ring correctly with me..

    I guess in a way I can put in blunt way. Since birth, I had no idea until I asked my mother one very good question. Because I am always troubled how I kinda knew things before it came.. or feel things without proof until it hits right in the face. I tried to understand whom and what I was since birth and why I never once changed.. only maturing.. but NOT change who and what I am INSIDE.

    My question to my mother was, ” Mother, how was I when I was baby and growing up react to others whom try to force or shoving things or words down my thoart that seems not right to me at all ?”

    Her answer, ” Oh, my gosh!! You used to punch anyone’s mouth if they dare to tell you what to do or try to enforce you to do things against your will. You did that to your teacher when you were little girl and you are older now.. Boy, you are always the same. No one can convice you otherwise unless you check it out and feels it is wise then your ok.. ”

    Uhm.. that tells me ONE small thing.. Even now, I cannot afford to let anyone to deceive me for ANY reasons. I follow my heart and my soul and my mind toward God… even Jesus.. but no one else. Forgive me for being a wee bit harsh on it. But I do meant it.
    I am here only to lend help and learning and sharing..and loving others…

    Big hugs to you, James. TY for your advice nevertheless.

    I will be away for a while.. got things on my plate to be done. But I will visit when I am able. 🙂 Blessings to you all.

  89. Has the construction of the next temple been announced?

  90. “Kabbalah doesn’t only teach us the design of creation, but how we can become designers, as omnipotent and as omniscient as the original Designer of reality.”

    He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (Rev.21:7)

    To endure throughout all the tribulations ~ for those who are saved ~ is in fact becoming like HIM FOREVER!

    LORD created everything for the sake of a man, entire universe with all angels and animals to become under man’s authority!

    • But don’t you think claiming to be omnipotent and as omniscient as the original Designer is going too far?

      He will share some things with us, but he is still Lord, and knows more than we do.

      How can we be as powerful as God, and not be God? or know as much as Him and not be Him?

      I think that is the point Silvan was trying to make.

      Don’t you think that this kind of claim implies that man can be as God, thus the trap that Adam and Eve fell into. ??

      • I think it is being eternal that makes us like God (of course, after we are saved and granted God’s image ~ an unreal privilege that is a gift of our Creator, that we did not earn). ~ and this was God’s purpose for Adam; Satan’s deception was that all-powerfulness or absolute knowledge is what made one like God – when in fact it’s attaining God’s quality of altruism and limitless giving, without ever having desire to receive for oneself – makes us like Him; It’s all about purpose and intention – Adam wanted to attain knowledge and power for egoistic purposes and by this he sinned, but if he would wait until 6th hour of the evening before Sabbath and then eat out of tree – he would accomplish God’s purpose: he would receive all the knowledge, power and joy prepared for him by God, but with altruistic intention to please God, not to receive for oneself; Israelites made the same error with golden calf! (In addition they were obliged to please the rest of 600,000 souls that were like broken pieces of Adam after his fall); Kabbalah teaches how to avoid such an error and learn how to receive with intention of pleasing God;

  91. Changing the subjet a bit….can someone explain to me the significance of the new EU president? 27 nations and 10 divisions? and the European commision?

    thanks

  92. http://shiratdevorah.blogspot.com/2010/03/making-sacrifices.html

    This is the law of the burnt offering: it is the burnt-offering which may burn on the Altar all night until morning. [Tzav 6:2]

    Although partaking of a sacrifice is a mitzvah, a person may not eat from the sacrifice until its fats have been burnt on the Altar.

    This teaches us that a person can only be sure that a mitzvah has been done properly when his “fat” – his pleasure, including the pleasure derived from the mitzvah – has been given to G-d.

    Only in this way can one be sure that one is performing the mitzvos, not because of the satisfaction that they bring, but purely for G-d’s sake.

    Based on Likutei Sichos of the Lubavitcher Rebbe vol 3 p.950

  93. A MUST read! Daniels timeline…..found at this link:http://www.danielstimeline.com/page6.htm

    A preview:

    “So what we find is this:

    Beginning from this coming Rabbinic Shavuot (May 19, 2010), the 63rd one from the commandment that went forth in Nov. of 1947, and counting all the way to the end of Tribulation (Sept. 2nd of 2016), exactly as presented in the 2005 Daniel’s Timeline DVD, falls precisely as Teshuva (40 days of repentance ) begins on the following evening (Sept. 3rd 2016.) “And the evening and the morning was the first day” (Gen 1) ——- the evening of the 3rd into the morning of the 4th is the first day of Teshuva.

    This period of time (from the 63rd Shavuot to Teshuva of 2016) is exactly 2300 evenings and mornings to the day!

    And of course, Teshuva, the 40 days of repentance, (the days immediately following tribulation / Mat 24) includes the Feast of Trumpets (the Last Trump), and ends on Yom Kippur (judgment), with the Wedding Feast (Feast of Booths) shortly after.

    Notice that a week of Shavuots have also come and gone with 2010 being the 1st of seven and 2016 being the 7th. And, according to the Scripture, everything is completed within the 70 weeks determined or given (Dan 9:24).

    What are the odds of this occurring now at this particular time, in our lifetime, and in this particular set of years, and fit the worldly current events, and fit the Prophecy, and fit Daniel’s Timeline too !!!???….. The odds of all these things coming together like this are off the chart.

    Daniel’s Timeline, recorded almost 5 years ago, seems to be right on schedule. According to the worldly events it sounds like we are on the very threshold of a peace covenant being confirmed……We will have to wait and see”Blessings………. Dewey

    • thanks lyndsey. Good stuff!!!!

      • Your most welcome 🙂

        Now I understand why the HS wanted me to learn the Jewish Holidays…He is so smart! 🙂

        I still don’t understand them but will most definitely put them on my calendar along with your solar/lunar scheduled eclipses for this year…

  94. http://www.danielstimeline.com/page6.htm

  95. 5,770 days brings you to March 29, 2010, which is the first night of Passover in the year that is 5,770 years after Creation. The night when Jews the world over will be recounting the redemption from servitude, when the first redeemer took the Jewish people of Egypt.

    http://visionofgeulah.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/5770-days-to-5770/

  96. What are the “seven spirits of G-D? Never heard of this before…..: Revelation 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth

    And Rev 4:5From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.

    • Isaiah 11 :2
      Here are the seven Spirits of God.

      1- The Spirit of The Lord
      2- The Spirit of Wisdom
      3- The Spirit of Understanding
      4- The Spirit of Counsel
      5- The Spirit of Might
      6- The Spirit of Knowledge
      7- The Spirit of the Fear of The Lord.

      Then Scriptures says in the next verse.
      His Delight and Treasure is in The Spirit of The Fear of The Lord.
      So The treasure of His Glory is found in The Fear of The Lord.
      Blesses is He who trembles before Him.
      Blessed is He who trembles at His Word.

      • excellent!!!

      • Thank you!

        Ok, Now I have another question/concern…been reading the following from this link:
        http://www.danielstimeline.com/rapture.htm

        Says there is no pre-trib rapture…that we have to stay here thru the tribulation…”It is common knowledge that modern technology is migrating toward a cashless world. News reports are being given regularly on a computer chip that will eliminate cash and credit cards all together. It is also common knowledge in tribulation buying and selling cannot be done without the Mark of the Beast, but there is a catch, if you have the Mark, you are doomed to eternal damnation.

        If a religious leader told you, “Its OK to take a computer chip implant” saying, “it can’t be the Mark of the Beast because we haven’t been raptured yet,” what would you do? If there is not a pre-tribulation rapture, the issue of an implanted chip in your hand or forehead becomes an immediate life and death situation that could destroy you and your family. It is plain and simple; who ever takes the Mark of the Beast is cast into Hell. You will have doomed yourself and anyone else in your family that has taken it with you, or anyone that you have caused to take it. Would you want someone making those kinds of choices for you? It is your soul and your loved ones that are at stake. Lets all read and learn for ourself. The truth is there right before our eyes.” Hosea 4:6 “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge”

        I am feeling devastated at this information. I am back to feeling panic and what to do. How does one plan for this? How does one store up for 7 years of food and water. Where is our place of safety as the scriptures refer to for those in “judea flee to the wilderness”.

        I have always believed that we were to be taken out of this mess…..

        • Whether you find yourself out or in it (mess) you must trust in The Lord.
          We are approaching passover …
          Remember how the children of Israel murmured ??
          God provided water from the rock, manna from Heaven …
          He fought for them , He took off the wheels of the egyptians’ chariots … He opened the red sea … He was a pillar of fire by night and a cloud by day!!!
          Who cares what some graduated priest or pastor says??
          Who cares what so and so says??
          If you love The Lord you must TRUST Him for He is Strong and Mighty to deliver!!

        • Their clothes and their shoes did not age! They remained new!
          Do you realize how cold it gets in the desert at night?
          The children of Israel were warm … they had light … they were protected by Almighty God.
          Same thing in the day. Do you know how hot it gets in the desert in its blazing sun?
          The children of Israel, the apple of His Eye were in the shade, covered from their enemies.
          Remember you shall tread upon scorpions and serpents and not be harmed.
          6,000 yrs. The Lord has waited to make known His Name to all nations.
          I am glad to be a witness of His Arm and His Hand and His Glory.
          Whether here or there The Lord is with me.
          He will defend me, He will cover me, He will in the instant teach me,
          Whom shall I fear? Him who is my refuge and my deliverance!

          Yes you may at times struggle with unbelief but if you remain in prayer and remain in your heart close to Him, He will show you that He is God and there is no other beside Him.

        • hi lyndsey

          First, god has promised to provide for us. Remember the woman in Rev 12? She represents Israel, but also anyone who puts their faith in God for protection and provision. She is sent to a wilderness, to remove her from harm. This would also include the harm of starvation.

          Somehow, we will make it. The rapture, or second coming to receive his saints, would be am empty promise if we are all dead before hand. Jesus is coming for his saints who have endured, not a bunch of dead bodies, although the resurrection of the dead is included.

          On a practical level, we do not need cash or a mark to get what we need. Before cash existed, mankind traded for what they needed. We can learn to do that again. I suggest doing the best you can, and then trust God for everything you cannot do. this might be one reason I feel inspired to keep a lot of “junk” around. It must be good for something. 🙂

          Also, the 7 year tribulation is a myth. The bible does not say that. It just says that there is one week left in Daniels’ 70 weeks. Some say the first 3 1/2 years was fulfilled by Jesus, and then he was cut off, leaving only a half week left for Jacob’s trouble.

          This may or may not prove to be true, but if you look at the book of Revelation, no where in it does it say it will last for 7 years. Just a few places, like one of the seals, lasts 5 months. Jesus even said something about tribulation for 10 days. There is a time of tribulation, and a time of wrath that follows. They both might be shorter than we think.

          The saints are taken at the 6th seal, which follows war, famine, pestilence, general death and martyrdom for the world. This is when there is a global earthquake, then the sun, moon and stars show the signs Jesus described in Matt 24.

          As for the mark, we have ideas, but are not sure what the mark is. But we know it will be required by the beast. We do not need the mark. We never have. Jesus did not carry cash. He was provided by god for his needs. learn from him. There are people now who make it by God’s grace now in poor countries.

          If we need something we pray for it, and our daily bread will be provided. The bible also says that the wealth of the wicked is laid up for the just.

          We may even be fed by neighbors who have the mark. We just trade or barter for what we want from them. Or maybe God will just inspire them to help us, just like God inspired the Egyptians to give the Israelites all their gold before they left Egypt. How miraculous is that? 🙂

          • Thank you so very much Marianne and Abigail. Your words have brought peace-I used to ponder why the disciples would still have doubts after BEING with Jesus! Now I understand….By focusing on the troubles ahead I tend to forget to FOCUS on the one who will deliver us from it!

            And guess what I heard on Joyce Meyer today? I had just turned her show on (I seldom watch her show) and she is saying exactly what you said, “Do all that you can do and then let G-D do the rest ! ”

            Hey Marianne,

            Do you have a post here that addresses what we can do for these turbulous times ahead? Such as what to store and how much etc? First Aid kit…I remember one of your emails suggested that we stay “private” in regards to possible riots and martial law….just a thought..thank you again so much…and I hope we are able to continue to be one another’s support for whatever comes. 🙂 you’ve got my number (at least while I can still pay for it…LOL..:)

            • Yes, we have to use some wisdom, if things get bad. Stay away from violence. Makes sense, right?

              https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/preparing-for-riots-and-violence-in-our-homeland/

              God described the believers as going into a wilderness experience when the antichrist took over.

              We just retreat, in plain view, if that makes any sense…there are no deserts near my house.

              Those that trust in their own power to change things will get hurt.

              Buy things that will last over time. Go around your house and make a list….buy extra of everything you use a lot and put it aside for later. we might end up living like those in the pioneer days, but if they could do it, we can too.

  97. Lyndsey,

    Hi hope you are well.

    The seven spirits of God make up the Holy Spirit.

    That is all I will say for now.

    Love,

    John

    • When one reads the Scripture in Hebrew when referring to ‘The Holy Spirit’ it is not the same. Actually it is so much more beautiful and profound … because it says … ‘The Spirit … The Holy.’
      Far cry from just simply ‘the Holy ghost.’ I’ve never liked that term.
      God is NOT a ghost.
      Seven are His days … and again His Delight is in the seventh day.
      Seven are Lamps … Seven Stars … and so on.
      These are not just fanciful descriptions but God has assigned meaning to each and every Word He Speaks.

  98. http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/sherryv219.htm
    http://www.danielstimeline.com/danielstimeline.html

    We now have 2 convincing yet conflicting timelines…see above links.

    One has the rapture as Jan 2011
    One has everyone remaining-thru the tribulation- until Jesus returns in 2016

  99. cashless society?
    by 2012?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/cashless-society-by-2012-says-visa-chief-439676.html
    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/3401/Is_a_cashless_society_on_the_cards.html
    http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=10222

  100. Abigail, John,

    Here is seven spirits in hebrew if it’s of any help:

    1. Ruach YHWH;
    2-3. Ruach Chochmah u’Vinah;
    4-5. Ruach Etza u’Gvurah;
    6-7. Ruach Da’at ve’Yirat YHWH;

  101. Brave?

    • Brave but ignorant.

      Jews have not persecuted Arabs over hundreds of years. It is the other way around. He apparently does not know about the Palestinian Muslims selling the Jews out to Hitler in the 1930s -1940’s BEFORE the state of Israel even existed. THAT was oppression…..

      He needs to get out of the Torah, which entitles the Jews to the land anyhow, and look at the rest of the Tenach, and see the prophecy of the return of the Jews before the Messiah arrives.

      I know about this group.. They really believe this.And they encourage anti-zionism and anti-semitism by what they do.- the opposite of what they want.

  102. AMAZING!

    Names Code Illustrated: Adam to Jesus

  103. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100325/ap_on_an/ml_us_israel_analysis;_ylt=Ajbw9QiKs_KQM9gBbJswy9OGOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTNhb3ZibXN2BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMzI1L21sX3VzX2lzcmFlbF9hbmFseXNpcwRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzYEcG9zAzYEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNpc3JhZWxpbGVhZGU-

    • Notice that he is praying before he speaks…PM of Israel…I love what he says about Jerusalem…..”Jerusalem is not a settlement. It’s our capital,” Netanyahu said to wild applause.

  104. http://nccg.org/mlt/sermons/3_251.html
    Chag haMatzah Sermon 2010
    “…Messianics, please listen – you don’t get to know Yah’shua through an intellectual study of the Torah! Messiah-knowledge comes from walking in emet (truth), discovering the awfulness of sin, struggling against it, and finally surrendering and letting Messiah IN. Is Torah-study profitless, then? By no means, because it reveals not only what we should be doing automatically in living the victorious life but also in what we should not be doing, thus giving us the pretext and impetus to struggle and overcome! Going to a schul and stuffing your head with Torah minutae [or Kabbalah] is useless if it is being used as a substitute for dying to self, because all you are doing is glorifying in your own cleverness and gnosis. That’s right, you become a Messianic Gnostic! “

    • Good insight.

      Torah study is empty, without seeing Yeshua as the living Word that was predicted, and then fulfilled.

      Yeshua IS the Torah.

  105. Success Through Failure

    “God works by paradox,” claims Miles Stanford, “success comes only viâ failure; life springs out of death”, as I have been teaching you the past few days. “The only element in a believer’s life that crumbles is that which has to go anyway – the new life can never be harmed or affected” unless the soul turns fully away from the Messiah as Judas Iscariot did. “This disintegration is something the believer cannot enter into nor engineer on his own – self will never cast out self. He has to be led into it by the mercy of the Holy Spirit – into failure; abject and total.” 13

    Identifying and Dying to Self

    This message the flesh absolutely does not want to hear – it balks, retracts, protests, protects itself and aggressively cries out: ‘No!’ at the suggestion. It is by this means that you can identify it. Self does not want to die because it fears that this death will be final. And so, in a way, it is, if it is not accompanied by the promised New Life. But remember this: the Self cannot die without the guarantee of the New Life because it is the same Life that guarantees both – Self can only be put to death by the Life because only the Life, which is Yah’shua, can replace it. So, this being the case, what is the human part – what is the human input – what exactly is required of us? What is required is that we believe that this is so and trust when the mechanism of dying and resurrecting is set into action, because Yahweh will never permit you to die to self until you are ready to accept Him as a total replacement because you wouldn’t otherwise survive. He will not allow you to become extinct. And so if we have not died to self yet it is a combination of the fact that we don’t want to and because Yahweh won’t let us until we are ready if we are trying to do it without Him! If that is the case, don’t give up. Keep at it! What is required of us is that we do not turn back and surrender completely to self, thus aborting our Pesach conception. We must, like Moses, stretch our hand over the Red Sea and trust Yahweh to part it for us. ”

    This remembers me of what has happened to you, Abigail.

  106. Hello,
    I’ve just finished writing a book called “The Second Coming – Is 2016 the year?” It’s now available at Amazon.com but I am happy to send it to you as a Word doc at no cost. My calculations were made without the benefit of any knowledge of Judah ben Samuel’s prophecy. This information has made my day. Please let me know if you wish to receive my book.

    Regards,

    John Ferris

    • hi John

      I would be very happy to receive your book. I love prophecy, and my site is filled with it, so look around and comment as you like.

  107. well it’s Jan 2013 the 3rd, You said in the above article that the rapture had to happen in 2010..once again well meaning believers’ jump the gun..and the non- believers go yep we have heard that before!
    similar end time events have been posted by a few well meaning believers..even though the Roman calendar is off by a few years either way
    The G-d of Israel is not on our calendar but his..and what is his calendar?..go study;) some clues are the solar calendar and lunar as well as what constiitutes a Jubilee as well as Sabbaths. It is our daily walk as well as our faithfulness to His commands that will see us through the dark days ahead. the pre-trib doctrine is only a little over 150 years new;0)
    Once again a little background is important to understand the Jewish mindset of the 1st century believer we must go back and get into their mindset. One of the highest forms of worship during Yeshua;s (Jesus) time was to study..study what?.. they only had one Bible..the Torah the prophets and the writing’s better known as the Tanak

    Israel is the key and the above Rabbi is not that far off his prophecy.
    Be well

    B.James

    • dead B James

      I had 2010?.. not 2010…….this is based on the pretrib thinking added to what the rabbi’s said.

      however, I am not pretrib in my beliefs.

      I go according to Yeshua, Jesus, who said he would come after the tribulation., as stated at the end of Matthew 24.

      those that pick 2017 as an end date, subtract 7 years and go back to 2010….

      I would either go back only 3.5 years to the spring of 2013, to the initiation of Jacob’s trouble,

      or

      not subtract at all, staying at 2017-2018 for the end of the trouble.
      ,
      I believe the tribulation comes first, after which Yeshua returns for us, and then the wrath of God follows to punish the wicked.

      • Marianne,
        This what I (& my wife) also believe:
        “the tribulation comes first, after which Yeshua returns for us, and then the wrath of God follows to punish the wicked.”

        I would call it a “Post-tribulation, Pre-wrath Rapture.” I’ve been back and forth at length with someone from “End Time Ministries- Irving Baxter” and all that input solidified my thinking from the Bible text.

        No one has proved me wrong, but since I don’t fit neatly into either the classic “Pre-trib” or “Post-trib” categories, it’s very hard to find someone who agrees with me. At least you do ! Praise God.

        In a nutshell, I see that “The Great Tribulation” is a three and a half year period, which begins (according to the Father’s secret alarm clock,) sometime after the beginning of the “Final 7 years” alarm clock but before the midpoint of the “final 7 years.” (my best guess is around year two and a half…)

        Then the Rapture of the church happens at the end of the three and a half year Great Tribulation- (my best guess for the Rapture would be around year 6). We would have the wedding banquet in heaven, and enjoy the honeymoon with Jesus in heaven for a year, while meanwhile God the Father rains down his Wrath on the earth while the church is absent, during year 7.

        Then at the end of year 7, Jesus returns with us from heaven to conquer the world and set up the Millennial Kingdom and rule for 1000 years.

        Since only God the Father knows when He will have started his “3.5 year Great Tribulation alarm clock” running, only He would know when the alarm would go off. But He doesn’t start the clock running at the “Midpoint” because if He did, then we would know for sure 3.5 years ahead of time when Jesus would return.

        Also, Jesus coming in the clouds for his church at the Rapture, and Jesus coming with us from heaven to fight the Battle of Armageddon on earth, are two different comings. I’ve been over numerous relevant Scriptures exhaustively. You really have to twist and stretch unnaturally to make the Rapture of the church and coming for the final battle into just “one coming.”

        I don’t know about which years or dates.
        So far, no one has found any way to refute this “Two Alarm Clock” theory.

  108. I agree with you Marianne. I would go for the three and a half years mark to count down to 2017, which could well be 2017-18. Also the math adds up not only from the counting of the jubilees but from the counting of generations (with a generation being 70 years) from the year that Israel was declared a nation by the UN’s predecessor, in 1947, which also corroborates the 2017 year.
    Matthew 24 has to take place before Yeshua returns with His army of angels to first ‘clean up house’ and then gather the rest of His people to go up to Jerusalem. Things are heating up in the USA with all the government scandals so let us all be vigilant and pray.

  109. Why is every one taking about the church being the bride of God at the marriage supper ,can’t happen. The bible say no one will be married in heaven.. The supper is when you will meet Jesus, receive the rewards due you, future Job, ETC. and be adopted into the family of GOD How could Jesus marry a man?

  110. Matthew who do you say is the church?

    • I guess “the church” can be a loaded word, meaning different things to different people.

      What I mean specifically is that Jesus will come back for HIS PEOPLE, and meet us in the air, to bring us to heaven for the wedding banquet. His sheep, people that actually know Him personally, listen to His voice, try to obey His word, and are trying to become more like Jesus was in daily life today.

      It is not my place to judge a person’s salvation if they say the are following Jesus BUT, if all you did is mouth a “repeat after me” “Sinner’s Prayer” at an altar call at a crusade 40 years ago and you think these magic words guarantee you a place in heaven…. I would challenge you to open up the Gospels and listen to the words of Jesus.

      I’m not sure of the exact Theological definition of “The Universal Church”, and that too could be a loaded term with different interpretations by different people. Maybe some might want to call it “The Body of Messiah.”

      I’m not sure where you are coming from on this question, but it it’s some sort of issue of a distinction between Israel and the Church that Dallas Seminary is noted for, you can be more specific and I would be happy to dialogue with you. There are a lot of theological boxes in the Christian world, and I don’t feel like I fit in any of them very well.

    • Mariianne, get over this marriage idea spiritual or other wise. There will be no marriage, the bible states there will be no need for marriage, we will have something much better. We will be with Jesus for a thousand year to
      learn from him and that’s not enough time. When you come into the Kingdom you will be like a little baby, with a thousand years to learn about the Kingdom of God. After a thousand years you will be ready for the Father to set up his Kingdom on earth. After that the universe will be ready to be populated with people with you bring a ruler under God of countless planets. God has great plans for the universe, because he is life and love and every thing he created has a purpose associated with life.. ART

      • just going by this:

        Revelation 19:6-9

        The Marriage Supper of the Lamb

        6 Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out,

        “Hallelujah!
        For the Lord our God
        the Almighty reigns.
        7 Let us rejoice and exult
        and give him the glory,
        for the marriage of the Lamb has come,
        and his Bride has made herself ready;
        8 it was granted her to clothe herself
        with fine linen, bright and pure”—
        for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.

        9 And the angel said[a] to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.

  111. The church or assembly of Yah was set apart long before the Jewish man known as Yeshua came to minister as the son of man. That hasn’t changed. He Himself declared He came for the lost sheep of Israel many of whom are still do lost they’ve even lost their identity. Heb 8:8-12 cites Jer 31:31-34 mentioning two groups of people and if Gentiles are to be grafted to Israel as it says in Rom 11 then that essentially covers everyone that has given their lives to Messiah and really follows Him.

    • Dear Shofar,
      It sounds like we are in agreement. It is not clear to me that we SHOULD attach a label such as “the church” or “body of Messiah” to the group of people, including us, who are following Jesus the Jewish Messiah. But, just curious- do you use such a term?

  112. READ THE BLESSINGS OF JACOB IN GEN.48. JOSEPH, MANASSEH (USA), EPHRAIM ( ENGLAND A COMMON WEALTH OF NATI0NS) IN SHORT “ISRAEL” AND THE REST OF THE LOST TRIBES ARE IN NORTH EASTERN EUROPE. NO TRIBE IS LOST TO GOD. REMEMBER JESUS SENT THE APOSTLES FIRST THE THE LOST TRIBES. AMERICA WAS FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION WITH 13 STATES. JUST BECAUSE THE THE JEWS ARE LOCATED IN THE HOLY LAND IN A NATION NAMED ISRAEL, DOES NOT MAKE THE JEWISH NATION ISRAEL OF THE BIBLE.
    WHY DO ENGLAND AND THE USA SPEAK ENGLISH (BROTHERS)
    THERE CAN BE NO MISTAKE WHO WE ARE ( ISRAEL)

  113. Marianne; if you are a decent of one of the tribes of ISRAEL then there is no need for grafting, we are already the chosen people. After Israel split
    from the Jews in the days of Rehohoam, the name Israel in the bible
    refers only to Israel not the Jews One day God will reunite them in to one
    people. (2 sticks)

  114. Any of you that believe 2017 is the second coming, must reject all preaching about the 70th week. You can’t split the last week off of the 490
    years to fit your interruption. Rev. 1-19 “write both the things that are now happening, and the things that will happen later” That says, a good part of the events in Rev. are over including the events of the 70th week. According to mathematics it is hard to fit 7 years into the next four but some of you will try. ART

  115. What if the first three and a half years have already taken place?

  116. Shofar; Rapture didn’t happen 2010, in 3 months middle of 7 years,
    rapture? peace treaty?, anti-christ?, I say no, 2017 on or about Sept. 30, 2017 YES. One only needs to hear the news to know we are in tribulation which will only get worse as time goes by. 2017, Sept. 20 (Trumpets) 9 days later (Atonement) then (Tabernacle). Next big crash Sept.2015. has to do with the seven year Sabbath 2001, 2008, 2015. (Leviticus. 25)
    ART

  117. Shofar: Will the temple be ready in 3 months? NO I hope this kills this 70th week mess. ART

  118. But Art where is the Temple supposed to be?

  119. Something else, I never mentioned 2010. I don’t believe there will be any ‘rapture’ as the main idea of a rapture was introduced by Jesuits, specifically Ribera in the 1500’s. Seems like a lot of junk was introduced in the 1500’s on various fronts, that being one of them. At the time the Roman church was receiving a lot of pressure as it was being fingered more and more as the Antichrist and or whore of Revelation and this was intended to take the pressure off them. In the mid 1700’s Emanuel Lacunza, a Chilean Jesuit, launched the idea that Messiah was to come back TWICE.
    When Moshiach returns at the end of the great tribulation He will take His own to the promised land of our ancestors from the four corners of the earth up (aliyah) to Jerusalem. That is when many will say to Him but “we did thus and thus in your name…” and He will say to them depart from me because I never knew you. Yeshua is the living Torah, the Word in the Hebrew scriptures, and not knowing (following) His Torah in spirit and truth amounts to not really knowing Him. The Greco-Roman system that really follows Babylon has taught so many falsehoods about Yah’s holly Torah for so long that many have come to believe the lies as truth and vice-verse.

  120. Shashana,

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.

    I agree, many do not know Him as “the Word made flesh”. Many read over 1 John with an eye on “love” not realizing what devotion and following the Good Shepard means day-to-day.

    Oh, I pray for a great awakening, revival before He returns.

    Blessings
    Psalm 23

  121. Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
    Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
    This mode of punishment for Yerushalayim is spoken of in Isa_29:3, Jer_6:6 and Eze_4:2. The very explicit prophecy of this and the following verse was fulfilled in the Roman conquest of Yerushalayim, 66-70 C.E. With Luk_19:43 compare Luk_21:20 below; with Luk_19:44 compare Mat_24:2, Mar_13:2.
    Madamn, you need to remove Luke 19:44 from the above statement near the top of the article because it does not prove anything.

    Luke 19:41-48 The Doom of the Royal City in 70 AD

  122. Daniel 9:25″Know therefore and understand, [That] from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, [There shall be] seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.
    Dan 9:26″And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; (but for His people) And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. (the destruction of the Temple 70AD) The end of it [shall be] with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

    Many are not aware of the second coming prophecy from this Daniel 9:25 passages which actually show that our Lord Yeshua second coming will occur during the fall feast and on the specific date of Yom Kippur. Let me show you the exact numbers for this. Remember this is a dual prophecy of 7 weeks and 62 weeks!
    We see after 62 weeks Messiah is to be killed this is for the first coming of the Messiah of Israel.

    Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off “karath.” (killed) So where do we apply the 7 weeks of years from the 7 and 62 weeks found in Daniel 9:25?

    We apply that 7 weeks of years, its number of days to when Jerusalem is restored for the second time, for a second coming prophecy of Messiah Yeshua from the second restoration date for Jerusalem. When did Jerusalem get restored for a second time? When the Jews took back Jerusalem on June 7th 1967 during the 6 day war. The Jews have been building ever sense. Now to show you the actually numbers for the fulfillment of this prophecy
    The 7 weeks of years, or 49 years are equal to 17640 days needed to fulfill this prophecy! We then apply theses number of days to the restore date for Jerusalem of June 7th 1967.

    First we then add 23 days to finish the month June.
    We then add 207 days to finish out the year of 1967.
    Then counting up the number of days up to end 2014 including leap year days would bring us for a total number of days of 17374. We need a total number of 17640 days to find the date of the Lord’s return.
    We then add 243 days to bring us to the end of August of 2015.
    We still have 23 days remaining to be applied to the month of September. This would bring us up to September 23rd 2015 which is also happens to be Yom Kippur Our Lord Yeshua will only return on Yom Kippur and on a Jubilee year. The next one will occur on September 30th 2017.

  123. Amen.

    2014 will be an eye opening year.

    Blessings
    Rev. 12:11

  124. Acts 1:11.

    Is 2017 the rapture some preach, or is it the date Jesus sets his feet on the Mount of Olives?

    If you guys are correct, my understanding of the bible states 3/4 of humans on earth will have to die soon.

  125. I agree that Rabbi Yehuda Ben Samuel’s predictions will probably come about on 2017 however Matthew 24 does not support a rapture of Christians. According to Matthew first the tares or esavs go then the wheat bearing fruit but humbling their heads in submission to Yahveh’s ways go after the ones that passed away are resurrected with a new body. All are met in the air but we know also from scriptures that Jerusalem is the ultimate destination. I do believe Jerusalem is where Eden once stood, although I suspect in a different dimension from ours. Our resurrected bodies will be like Yeshua’s when He returned after resurrecting as Son of Man. He could eat and touch but He could also go through time and space as the constraint of time and space that this planet was put under did not longer apply to him nor will it apply to us in our new bodies. When the planet is restored and all the hamas, esav and even Nephilim are removed then the time and space constraint will be lifted. Maybe I am wrong about the time and space constraint and all but that is how I see it and explains why a day is for Yahveh like a day for us. He is not affected by time at all, we are. That is why He gave us HIS holly Sabbath which is the only day He blessed and did so precisely on the seventh day of this creation calling it a sign between Him and His people. Read Isa 66 right at the end of the chapter, What is He saying? The Sabbath is more than just a day.

    Sorry but the Christians have inherited falsehoods from the Roman dictatorship that to an extent still calls the shots on earth. All this displacing the only chosen people as if Yah’s words were of not avail is not scriptural at all. The renewed covenant is spelled out in Jer 31:31-36, it says clearly it consists of placing Torah in the hearts and mind of Israel and Judah. We know from history and a careful examination of scriptures that Israel was mixed among the nations and only a portion returned since 1948, the rest is still out there living like wild olive trees, but olive trees nonetheless. Ephraim must return home like the prodigal son he is and quit eating pig food like it has been doing the past 3000 years or so. It’s time to come home and be grafted back in the natural olive tree like it says, Rom 11. Then ALL Israel will be saved.

  126. The Islamic false mahadi will rise for a short time while the followers of the curse (allah in Hebrew means curse albeit it was the name of the Arab moon goddess) are sincerely fooled into thinking they are doing “God a favor” with their ancient murderous hatred of all that do not believe like they do. They wear the mark of the beast on their foreheads and arms (bandanas with symbol and name of their god ) and are already invading Europe. With our Muslim in chief giving millions to Iran to nuke us and try to nuke Israel (and threatening Israel from attacking Iran) and his promises of helping the invading “refugees”, what do you think are his plans? Thanks be to Yahveh He already decreed the end for all those who rise against His chosen people Israel; He knows the end from the beginning, His word has gone out like a trumpet and it will not return to Him void, Ezekiel 25, 29-32, Psalm 82-83, Isa 21, 63, Joel 3

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