Jihad vs Crusades


There is a big difference!

Post reproduced, with permission, from

Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam
Copyright © CSPI, LLC, politicalislam.com 

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Narrative from video:

Whenever you’re dealing with an apologist for Islam, or even a Muslim, and you bring up jihad, almost immediately, they kickback to you: “But what about those terrible crusades? Why they’re the moral justification for jihad and we’re just as bad as they are. So let’s not talk about jihad, okay? Let’s talk about the Crusades.”

Well, what I would like to talk about here, are facts. I created a database of 548 battles that Islam fought: jihad battles against classical civilization. This isn’t even all the battles.

It doesn’t include battles Africa, India, Afghanistan and other locations. It’s primarily at data base of the battles against the classical civilization of Rome and Greece.

548 battles are a lot; too many to comprehend. So I created a dynamic battle map with displays of the Mediterranean in 20 year increments.

On the display (in the video), a white dot designates a battle during the twenty-year period, a new battle.

Every time the screen changes to the next 20 year period, the previous white dots turn red and a new set of current battles  are shown with white dots so you can see the unfolding history.

This may seem a little confusing, but when you see it you’ll know exactly what I mean.


As the dynamic display starts, Islam bursts out of the Arabian Peninsula and immediately starts attacking the Middle East.

Notice that it is not long before there are battles across the Mediterranean and attacks in southern France, and Spain.

Maps given in video showing change in map over time as Jihad takes over the world:




Notice something else: when most people think of Islam, they think of Arabs; and of desert. Yet here we see that Islam is projecting power throughout the Mediterranean.

Notice how the little islands of the Mediterranean are getting hammered.

The navy of Islam would attack coastal towns, kill, rob, rape, and then take slaves.

As this entire battle map unfolds, slaves are taken.

Over a million slaves were taken from of Europe into the Islamic world. It’s something you don’t think about, but it’s absolutely true.




There were over 200 battles fought in Spain alone. We also see, however, on the east coast, in Turkey, that Islamic forces attempt to break into Europe.

What happens in Spain during this ongoing fight that lasted for 400 years is that the Christians push back the Moslems.









But what happens in the East is that Constantinople falls and now then eastern Europe gets hammered.

The jihad comes to Eastern Europe.

It’s pushed out of Spain, but northern Africa becomes completely Islamic, and the Middle East is completely Islamic.

This is all jihad, relentless jihad. And why is it so relentless?

Well, Mohammed was relentless in his jihad, and these people are good students of Islam. And so it’s jihad against the Kafir, endlessly.

It was traditional that when a new Sultan came to power, he would immediately attempt to launch new wars because he would be noted in Islamic history as to how well he fought against the Kafir.


So that’s what the jihad looked like over that time period: 548 battles.

But remember, when you bring up jihad, people want to bring up the Crusades.

So I also prepared a dynamic battle map of all the offensive raids of the crusaders. Let’s watch it and make a comparison.


As it begins, the Crusades enter Turkey and the Middle East; battles ensue. But there are far fewer than you might think. And in short order, the map concludes.

The last battles are fought and the Crusades are over.

Now we can talk about some facts! Yes, there were Crusades. But notice that they ended centuries ago, and jihad is still being practiced today.

Jihad has been with us for 1400 years.

There is no comparison between jihad and the Crusades; certainly not a moral comparison.


First crusade 1095-99 to restore Christian access to holy places in Jerusalem.

And when you’re looking at the Crusades, remember, in one sense the Crusades were defensive wars. Why?

As we saw in the first jihad map, it was Islam that came out of Arabia and conquered the Middle East, a Christian Middle East.

The crusaders were trying to free their Christian brothers and sisters from jihad. So there’s no moral comparison all.

The motivation of the crusaders was to free Christians; the purpose of jihad was, and still is, to enslave the Kafir.

So, the next time you hear somebody talk about “those dreadful Crusades”, respond to the facts of the matter. Speak up and tell that person, “You don’t really know the facts!”

Watch the Video


Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam
Copyright © CSPI, LLC, politicalislam.com 
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Marianne’s Note:


Crusades started in 1095 to resist the Muhamadeans, and lasted into the 14th and 15th centuries.

All were efforts to oppose the rise of Islam, the Saracens, and the Ottomans.

In time, there were more political local regional issues, like reopening trade and travel, which had been blocked, or papal conflicts with regional kings.

Also, never before has anyone seen the slaughter of innocent children as now with the ISIS jihadists.

They rape little girls, then behead them. They cut little boys in half.

Christians are being crucified.



Blood flows in the streets.

Millions have been slaughtered or maimed by Muslims on their jihad throughout history.

I advise everyone to resist this evil in this world.

The Christians made the mistake, in history, of waiting 400 years before they fought back.

This allowed Islam to spread by the sword.

If we allow the same thing again, our civilization will be completely destroyed.


Islamic State jihadist announces his marriage to terrified 7-year-old in conquered city in Syria – See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2014/08/islamic-state-jihadist-isis-militant-announces-marriage-terrified-7-year-old-conquered-city-syria.html/#sthash.b7e6i7OB.dpuf

When he is finished with her, he will behead her.

Cruelty brings him joy.


77 Responses to “Jihad vs Crusades”

  1. So many seem more worried about “political correctness” these days and about “offending” others they can not see through the blurr they have immersed themselves in.

    Hold on tight to the feet of the Master, Jesus. ….. (and check your ammo.)

  2. God come quickly!

  3. I think your information is a bit off-ramp. I agree that these isis people or whatever they’re called are INDEED pure evil, but to say that “Christian” crusades were less evil is downright manaical. Everyone tries to make their evil seem less than demonic, but the TRUTH is you can’t make the devil less evil; that would be like me injecting someone with an over abundance of potassium causing them to die, and you stabbing them in the heart causing them to die, and I point the finger at you saying that you were more brutal; murder is murder.
    All of those battles couldn’t be to defend themselves against Islam, because those people hadn’t even realized Islam as a religion, they were pretty much like Christians in that they worshipped idols. Also all of those battles weren’t all about religion moreso than it was about territory. So your source must be astute in fiction or folklore, or fairytales; kind of how people were made to believe Jesus was a white man modeled after a relative of michael angelo when there were no “white” people in the land of canaan.
    Evil is evil.

  4. The Christian says…”I will die for my Faith!”…….The Muslim says, “You will die for my Faith!”…..In the Book of Reveleation there are two Beasts the rise up, one from the Sea, and the other from the Earth….I believe Islam is the one from the Earth, and the one from the sea, The Church of Rome!

  5. From a woman’s perspective, I am glad I am not subject to an Islamic male in a Islamic country. How do woman rate above or below goats? I am not sure just know when my husband served in the first Iraq war, they had to get the Muslim males out of the buses at the checkpoints. First they gave them water and they noticed the woman and girls didn’t get their share. So they made the males exit the buses in order for the females to get water. Upon returning to the seats, the say some of the woman get slapped.
    I have a problem with a society that treats woman as second class in this day and age. I would propose that back in caveman times there was more equality. And yes I am aware that we in the western world have barley broken the 100 year mark of equality for females.
    That said if males would treat their wife’s as God intended for them, that would have eliminated itself. But sin is rampant and most haven’t comprehended this principle neither male nor female.
    Just look at our statistics on Criminal Domestic Violence, it is sky high.
    Now picture woman in a country that have no voice, what do you think they endure? And please just tell me that all Muslim man treasure their wife’s, I heard this from guess who, males a number of times.
    Judging by their laws I am very doubtful that is the norm.
    I am more inclined of the opposite. We all read stories about stoning, disfigurements, child weddings…….
    Feel free to be politically correct and let Islam take over. School lunches already have changed, dress codes have changed it is slowly making it into mainstream.
    Now picture judo christian culture being embraced in ANY Muslim country?
    Do you think you are save just traveling with a bible to any of these countries?

    • claudia

      I would never willingly set foot in any Islamic country. I also do not support political correctness as it overlooks dangers.

      CNN is a good example. It now questions whether the word “evil” really applies to ISIS, when it is systematically beheading children in Iraq. this is spiritual blindness and foolishness.

      Of course, CNN is sponsored by arab oil.

  6. Marianne. This assessment is very wrong. The crusades are among the least of the ‘Christians’ sins. ‘Christianity’ is no better than other religions, it’s just the same, because it keeps people away from the truth by blasphemy.

    I invite you to recall exactly how the USA was formed, and also the ‘British Commonwealth’. You will discover than ‘Christians’ genocided hundreds of entire cultures. Hundreds of millions of people were killed, or lost their property and culture to the ‘Christians’. Over 50 whole countries lost their people property & identity to the ‘Commonwealth’, all becoming economic slaves under the so-called ‘Christian’ model.

    There were up to 110 million natives in America before the ‘Christian’ invasion. Have you seen the methods they used to kill the natives? I take it you have heard of the ‘Inquisition’?

    Thinking oneself better than others, and fomenting division and hatred, is most certainly serving Satan.

    “How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? ”

    I think Jesus would be very disappointed in the author(s) self-righteous hate-mongering. Although not quite as disappointed as he must be with the blasphemous ‘Christian’ church which negates the law, and takes the name of God in vain.

    Jesus taught people to do what he did, not worship him as God! Blasphemy! How did Jesus teach people to pray? To him? No, to God! Please check your Bible.

    Jesus taught ‘Love God, Love your neighbor’, but the church teaches ‘worship government, pay your taxes’. Jesus taught people to give up using money entirely. Read what he said! Does your church teach that? Think about it. The LAW is ‘Love your neighbor’. If you love someone, do you charge them for help?

    And ISIS is funded by the USA & allies, and it’s leader is a Mossad agent BTW.

    veritopian (dot) blogspot (dot) co (dot) uk

    • Veritopian

      nothing people have done in the name of christianity, (and I admit there are strong issues) even compares to what ISIS is doing.

      If you look on my blog, you will see I am a strong critic of mainstream Christianity.

      this is because it does NOT follow what jesus taught….

      however, ISIS is following what Muhammed taught

      and THIS makes ISIS worse than Christianity….

      because christianity can be corrected and returned to its original roots.

      and Islam cannot be corrected, because it is practicing the original roots.


      how governments behave do not necessarily represent the people or the religion of the country


      no matter WHO is funding ISIS, they are muslims, and claim they serve allah

      • “nothing people have done in the name of christianity, (and I admit there are strong issues) even compares to what ISIS is doing.”

        Marianne, if you believe that then you do not know history. I beg you, go and research the American Holocaust, and the Inquisition. ISIS’s crimes are nothing in comparison. Nothing. Both those events went on for *hundreds* of years! Go and look at the terrible implements of torture they invented, made, and used on **hundreds of millions** of innocents – in the name of ‘Our Lord Jesus Christ’!

        And as I pointed out – ISIS is run by Mossad. You do understand what that means, right? You know it means religious war is being fomented deliberately, and, you are helping to propagandise for that war with this article.

        Christianity is just as much a fake religion as Islam is. BOTH were deliberately created for mind-control purposes by the **Kabbalists**. Jesus was real, but they changed much of the message, and the Bible is of very little spiritual value. I love Jesus, and I hate Christianity.

        Jesus taught the Gift Economy. Did you know that from your experience of Christianity? If not, what use is it?

        Look at it this way: You don’t need to have a religion to love God & creation, so why have one? Do you think Jesus had a religion?

        I’d suggest you stop supporting the ‘Democrats’ vs ‘Republicans’, ‘Manchester United’ vs ‘Liverpool’, or ‘Christianity’ vs ‘Islam’. You are promoting division instead of unity. All religions are poisonous to humanity. God hates them all equally. 🙂

        • the crusades were limited in scope and in time.

          jihad has been going on for 1400 years….as the video and narrative explains.

          ISIS is not run by Mossad…that is silly

          I agree about the fakeness in christianity, and I agree that I love jesus and not religion

          I go by what jesus taught, not by what man says.

          • Silly is it? You feel you can make that judgement?
            Jesus commanded you to seek the truth, not to assume you already have it.


            Why is Israel not even mentioning ISIS? Why is ISIS attacking everyone except the ‘hated Jews’?

            Who really created Islam? Do you know? Who was Muhamed? What was his training? Who was he married to? If you find the answers to these questions, you may be shocked.

            “My religion is better than your religion” is not going to unite the world. The truth will.

            veritopian (dot) blogspot (dot) co (dot) uk

            • you believe such garbage…..such internet propaganda by the ISIS people..who are liars and killer.

              Israel is very busy with HAMAS which is just another version of ISIS.

              with a muslim for a US president, it is easy to see how ISIS got US support to kill christians

              • You think ISIS published an article to say their own leader is an Israeli agent? That’s pretty retarded. Obviously you didn’t bother reading it.

                Well done. 🙂
                You win today’s prize for most bigoted blog post / comments… The cheque’s in the post…

                Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

                Have a nice day.

            • Veritoplan, others, I read your comments and immediately saw the deception. I am no expert, but started studying Islam 25 years ago, as ” led”. Before the internet.
              You speak as a Muslim . Trust me, I know. I believe it is you who needs to read up in history.
              None of us know until we learn for ourselves and what better place to start than their books ? Just as anyone interested in Jesus is advised to read the NT first ? Each reads for themselves and then reaches a conclusion, as with everything.
              First facts and evidence. Go to the source !
              Then a rich source of Jihad info is via internet historyofjihad.org. Recommended for all. An academic site by atheist ( thus unbiased as far a religions are concerned) Professors, who urge universities and Government offices to read their site.

              They admire the Crusaders. i am no fan of violence but. I hardly see the difference between the crusades of old (DEFENSIVE Wars against the savage Muslim hordes who during 400 years of aggressive explansion had reached Europe) than the ” Crusade” of many Nations against Hitler ?
              Coincidentally, Hitler admired. Islam, did you know ? Plenty of info to confirm this and his deep bonds with the grand Mufti of Jerusalem ( uncle of Arafat)… You know..I will slaughter the Jews of europe and you can kill them here…that sort of bond.

              As for the inquisition, The archives are still available in the Vatican . More went to trial than were actually killed. Too many of course,but between seven and nine thousand in 350 years. Germany, a non-inquisition land, had more ” witches” killed in 350 years than the inquisition did in that time.
              Most witchcraft accusations were thrown out by the inquisition. It was a rule of law and heresy was a crime ( copied the Muslims, who were the first inquistion and the first maffia) but only operational in a few countries. By the way, Calvin the reformer moved freely in an inquistion land, how could that be possible, ever thought of that ? He had to be careful but wise.

              The ridiculous myth of the inquistion killing millions is almost laughable.
              Islam has killed more than 270 million including 70-80 million hindu’s in it’s 1400years of aggression. Even Communism cannot top that number, although it certainly tried !
              Communism and Islam beat any Christian numbers as far as death and persecution are concerned.Dangerous fanatic evil ideologies. Even Hitler had a hard time beating them !

              Bad behaviour is not sanctioned by Jesus, it is by Muhammad.
              Please think about that.

              A Christian can go against the teaching of Jesus, but his behaviour is not sanctioned by Jesus.
              A muslim must follow and emulate Muhammad. Read about Muhammad. A prophet with an army ? Which other religion has violence encoded in it’s core teachings ??? He was a deranged rapist, pedophile, misogynist par excellence. Read what he said about women..comparing them to cattle , and more !! Read for yourselves.cruel barbaric war-lord? I
              A muslim can never leave Islam. Then becomes an apostate and deserving of death. ” honour killing” of daughters and wives even in the West is legion Did you know this ? The reason for Islam’s success is ..fear….. The total ,opposite to love….
              Churchill on islam :

              This is the Christian David Wood from ” answering muslims”

              In case you have not read the Muslim ” holy books” this will give you some basic info to be getting along with.

              Educating ourselves about islam is very important today. i sincerely urge you to do so.

              Oh and yes the NWO as it has been raised, is obviously on the side of muslims. They want sharia installed,as they dont care what kind of tyranny we live under.
              They were not around when Muhammad received his ” revelations”

              There is a lot of disinfo going around.

              Most conspiracy theories I discovered originate from the Muslims world.
              To divert and defect criticism from Islam to Christians and the NWO is a Muslim tactic. Believe me I know. Also through the many ex-Muslims I have met, most now Christian. I worked with refugees for a time, voluntarily .They are terrified !!!
              May God protect and bless them and our dear brothers and sisters now being slaughtered by the weapons assigned to the rebels by the West. !!
              Prayer and action needed now because the Syrian and other ME Christians cannot obtain visa’s to the West, only Muslims !!
              And this has been going on for years.
              Few knowthis truth, why would they if they listen to the MSM which has been compromised for decades.
              Listen to Christian groups active there and helping.

              I pray eyes are opened to what is happening before them !

              Pat Condell’s videos are a must. An atheist and no fan of Christianity,but who sees the dangers of Islam.

              All the best, and Marianne, God bless you. In this age of deception this is one of a few Christian sites willing to really delve into uncomfortable subjects
              Insidious ” chrislam” is even moving ahead. In churches of course, not mosques ! Blinded blinded not realising the tactics used against us. If we do not know history or the enemy as they know us we are bound to lose. Are they not awareMuslims view Jesus as a lesser prophet and say He is not Son of God and did not die on a cross ?

              Good news also not in MSM , largest Christian movement is in Iran. Even in north Africa mosques have come to Jesus and great miracles are being worked through these dear children of God. May they be strengthened and multiply. now the harvest begins and in the midst of severe persecution!! We must pray for more converts to Jesus from Muhammad…Jesus predicted this , those leaving families for the sake of the Kingdom, he predicted the sad and terrible plight of the future Muslims and their terrifying ordeal becoming apostates for Jesus !

    • Veritopian,

      Your assessment is correct and very well informed – in my opinion.

      Your Scripture references are compelling and forthright. Amen.

      This topic is larger and more complex than most folks realize.

      The last great crusade was accomplished by the British Army (1917), resulting in the Delfour Declaration.


      Note who inspired this effort – Rothschild. There is a clue to the operators of the beast system. Rothschild – Hebrew money changer family seated in multiple EU capitals. Maybe they are of the tribe of Dan?

      Crusades were the work of kings. Almighty God allows and works through all of this for His strategic purposes. See the video link below.

      ISIS funding is probably coming by those moving a NWO agenda, which includes those within US government and worldwide financial institutions (Central Banks).


      BTW: The US was not founded under God but under GOD (god in caps, get it), by Freemasons, seeking to establish a NWO. The roots of this are obvious, laid out on the Great Seal of the US, designed by Benjamin Franklin (33 degree Mason). These American Masons had support from their London brothers.

      It all there to see on the back of the US Dollar, printed by the Federal Reserve.

      The Federal Reserve is probably a funding source for ISIS. This is an educate guess.


      Marianne – the enemy you seek is close to where you live and they are not Muslim.

      Psalm 27

      • I agree with you both, except you both think muslims are harmless….even when they are showing beheaded children held up by muslim jihadists

        I guess pictures of crucified christians in iraq and syria mean nothing to you also?

      • Hi DJ,
        you know, this is all about the Law… God’s Law vs. the fake law of men.

        If God’s law is “Love your neighbor” then trade is unlawful.

        We have an inalienable *duty* to God’s law. If we give away our duty to the law, then we lose justice. That’s what’s happened in this world.

        This is the entire problem, and the entire solution.

        (Note: Live links to my blog are censored / banned under WordPress. Presumably because I’m too close to the truth…)
        veritopian (dot) blogspot (dot) co (dot) uk

  7. Marianne,


    Where to you see that I think they (ISIS or Islamic extremists) are harmless?

    That was a pathetic attempt to discredit a reply.

    Please, try again and do better.

    The Beast is larger and more cunning than folks comprehend.

    Who killed thousands of Native American Indians – many by infecting them with small pox?

    Who drove thousands of women and children across the country like cattle on a death march to reservations in Oklahoma?

    Who dropped atomic bombs (2) on the general population of Japan, cities filled with children and infants!

    God Bless America, right?

    You want to talk ISIS – it’s the same beast that is on the back of your money (“eye of Horus”).

    The act of nuking citizens was completely unnecessary, killing non-combatants who are not on the battle field. Babies burned by the blast.

    The US killed more babies and children on these 2 days than any civilized military in the history of the world. Get it?

    The beast resides in Washington, within the UN, as well as “Rome” and Mecca along with London, Brussels and Paris.

    Do you know that the root/history of Paris is?

    Look it up, doing some research and gain greater perspective on the nature, scope and purpose of the beast.

    You don’t have much time either.

    NYC is going to have another 9/11 event – bigger than before and they (you) will blame ISIS.

    Psalm 64

    • I understand the US government part.

      I was just focusing on ISIS, which commits vicious jihad…..

      this post is not about the NWO

      if / when another 911 occurs, ISIS may also be involved, although they may not be alone

      they are very willing to murder.. it makes them useful for satan’s plans

  8. It appears ISIS was allowed to march forth out of Syria to push Maliki out of office in Bagdad. What is the connection between ISIS and the free Syrian army. Russia has a tar baby and can not help Syria like before. Iran has to use resources in Iraq to save Shias. Qatar received billions is arms for the US government and they are the Godfather of the Muslim Brotherhood. The American southern border is wide open.

    I am just touching on a few items. I see a global agenda and I believe we are marked for a crisis. Don’t let a good crisis go to waste according to the Chicago godfather.

    Next week starts school and how many illegal aliens were sent north sick by the FED’s? The Hospitals and schools will be the first to be hit. Then?

    Just one thing about the Crusades. The Pope’s used an excuse to invade the middle east. To control resources that brings money. They stated it was G-d ordained, but that is/was a lie. Just like their Father. Although the Crusades did not last as long as the moon god worshipers Jihad, it was still part of Old Knobs agenda. The Dragons agenda is being allowed by G-d the Father to come to a point. It is about souls now, as Lucifer has lost the war.

    Don’t wait for the government to help you. Secure your perimeter and be especially watchful at night.


  9. John Hamer: The fake ‘War on Terrorism’ and the real ‘War on Islam’

    “Despite the fact that you may not believe it to be possible, terrorism was actually created by Western governments to justify perpetual war.”

    • someone should tell Hamas, ISIS and Hezbollah that what they are doing is fake.

      • Marianne, what you are doing is fake. Wake up.

        You are not serving God. You are not doing what Jesus commanded. You are deceived. You are a fake Christian.

        Your divisive, bigoted anti-muslim attitude serves Satan, not God.

        • I am not fake. that is your opinion as a muslim, pretending to be something else.

          muslims are Yahweh God’s enemies….discuss this matter with HIM

          they need to turn away from their violence and abuse of women, and accept Jesus as their savior

        • We are not anti-Muslim, we are anti-Islam. I do support Apostates.

          Have you ever read about my god of the Kaaba? One of 360 gods Muhammad made everyone worship or get their head cut off?

          Allah Akbar = my god is greatest. Greatest of what? Greatest of all other gods at the Kaaba.

          Which god of the 360 was Allah. Which god was Muhammad’s Uncle named after. That’s the god Islam worships.

          • Islam is a problem, Christianity is a problem. All religions are a problem because they encourage people to be followers, instead of learning to discern reality for themselves.

            God wants people to grow up so they can know the truth independently. Then they won’t need a ‘religion’ to tell them what to think or how to behave. No parent wants their children to be retarded.

            veritopian (dot) blogspot (dot) co (dot) uk

  10. Allah is Satan’s best disguise ever, and he has achieved what he has always wanted, to be worshiped by the multitudes!…But he wants even more than this, and that is to be worshiped by the whole world…that is his goal, lets make no mistake about that, and he will do anything, and kill anyone who poses a threat to that quest!…There are some 1.30 billion Muslims in the world today, and they pray 5 times a day, hence the rise of evil in the world today!. With every passing decade since the 70’s, Islam has become more and more violent, and it is using Political Correctness to gain ground in Western Nations, so they can have more say in it’s political agendas!.Islam is on the move world-wide, and in particular illegal boat people under the guise of seeking refuge from tyrants.This is their Trojan Horse, and it is working very well all over our Planet!.What will be the end result?….Personally, I think there will be some sort of amalgamation of Islam and Roman Catholicism, and yes even Jewry?..There are already forces at work, particularly under the auspice of Tony Blair to set something like this up.But ultimately Islam will never play second fiddle to anyone, and will only pretend to join an alliance, and will destroy it’s partners!

  11. ISIS is fulfilling a Spiritual Agenda the new Babylon all the areas they are occupying is ancient Babylon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94 strange that they have a name of a ancient Goddess

  12. Dear Marianne
    the way i look at it its the Islamic Jihad Ghoul rising thats the feeling and vibration i het from ISIS i then looked up definitions to describe Ghoul -1
    : a legendary evil being that robs graves and feeds on corpses
    : one suggestive of a ghoul; especially : one who shows morbid interest in things considered shocking or repulsive
    Arabic folklore, ghouls could change their shapes
    cacodemon, devil, fiend, ghost, demon, ghoulie, imp, shaitan

    Related Words
    hag [archaic], lamia, vampire; incubus, nightmare, succubus; afreet (or afrit), genie, jinni (or jinn also djinni or djinn); apparition, banshee, bogey (also bogie or bogy), bugbear, familiar, familiar spirit, genius, phantasm (also fantasm), phantom, poltergeist, shade, shadow, specter (or spectre), spirit, spook, vision, wraith; brownie, dwarf, elf, faerie (also faery), fairy, fay, gnome, goblin, gremlin, hobgoblin, kobold, leprechaun, pixie (also pixy), puck, sprite, troll; monster, ogre
    yes horror has come in a shape shifting shape and can blend amongst us and like a boogie man he is invisible to us at times,yes horror has found it realm every event is a representation of a realm/kingdom of dark or light

    • EventRealms,

      What is rising is Subud.

      This video presentation presents evidence that we are closer to the revealing of the son of perdition than most folks know – because they are either spiritually asleep, do not have eyes to see or ears to hear, or simply distracted by entertainment news media and frivolous information.

      Rev. 12:11

  13. EventRealms,

    The following video presentation supports your reply/comment.

    Rev. 12:11

  14. “I read your comments…You speak as a Muslim . Trust me, I know.”

    SMA, obviously you did not read my comments with open eyes, otherwise you would have noticed that I wasn’t defending any religion. On the contrary I was berating them all. To label me as a muslim shows you don’t see reality very clearly at all. As you’ve made it clear that you haven’t removed the beam from your own eye before reaching for mine, I wonder what kind of Christian you really are? In name only is the implication…

    If you know your history, they you will be aware that all Abrahamic religions were created by the Kabbalists. Churchianity and Islam are both constructed fakes, designed to take power from the people, and give it to the priests. It’s always the same…

    “Most conspiracy theories I discovered originate from the Muslims world. To divert and defect criticism from Islam to Christians and the NWO is a Muslim tactic.”

    Really, that’s what you found? What about the Kabbalists / Satanists? Does the state of the world not have anything to do with them?

    I take it you’re one of these people who thinks believing in Jesus makes you righteous…? It doesn’t. You have to do what he did. By your adoption of one of the Satanically-constructed religions, you choose a side, you ARE the problem. By saying “my religion is better than yours” you are a tool for Satan, you create division and hatred.

    Jesus taught people to stay (the fuck) away from religions and churches, have nothing to do with priests, don’t use money, Love Thy Neighbor, and be perfect. The church doesn’t teach what Jesus taught.

    The day of judgement is when you die! Jesus isn’t coming back to save anyone. That’s a fairy tale designed to stop you from acting against the church/government, designed to STOP you from bringing the kingdom of heaven to earth – as you were commanded to do! It’s mind control designed to keep the elites in power, by taking all your power away. Your ‘Faith in Jesus’ allows tyranny! It’s a fraud.

    Jesus taught people to be perfect, to do their duty to God, to seek the truth and to ACT on it. You bear all the hallmarks of a churchian, who thinks ‘faith in Jeezus’ is all that’s needed, is sitting on his hands waiting for the saviour to come, and takes the moral high-ground on the basis of a fairy-tale. Am I wrong?

    • Veritoplan, I did not say you were a Muslim, but that you spoke like one.
      Big difference. I was not nasty at all in my previous post and no need to use bad language to get a point across
      Your perception of me is totally wrong. How can you know all about me ?!

      I am not a member of a church, am well aware of their snares. We worship at home as the first church did. And at times in a independent non institutional Evangelical church. I Have read church history. I know about mind control and elites and illuminati. I was incapable of much for eight years after medical incompetence and used that time to study. I thank God for that. But the truth in all of it ? I asked Jesus who called Himself ” the only teacher” to show me. Once I escaped the institutional church I began to read the bible very differently. I had begged God for the truth, at age 31 when I converted to Jesus from the RCC.I am now almost 60.

      Am certainly not a Paulinist Christian because he contradicted Jesus could never be an Apostle according to the criteria laid down by Peter and the others as the substitute for Judas in Acts.. Paul fits none of those. and I assure you I have paid for this am apparently a ” heretic” the matter in hand was not discussed, just I was bad. What else is new ? and neither do I believe there will be a rapture.
      I used to. I used to believe a lot I was told, but things always niggled me. Why could nobody explain things in the Bible i did not understand ??

      It all goes back to Genesis, a matter of the heart was my discovery and mans natural rebellion to Yahweh ( which means behold the hand behold the nail)
      I did not judge you, just said you spoke like Muslims do because i know them. Many speak like Muslims, belive all they say . Okay ?

      You attacking the messenger is common to me and a shame as you addressed none of the points I tried to. You just attacked me .

      The former USSR sent spies into the Arab world to re-kindle their hatred of Jews and the USA. They are the ones to be looking at. Ion Pacepa was the highest Soviet general ever to defect to the West. His book reached Romania and the people judged Caucescu. Prisoners tortured every day to give up their faith in Jesus, were released. One the famous Richard Wurmbrand ( voice of the martyrs)An answer to prayer. Once you have been in such a situation, everything changes. Once you have been really threatened little has meaning

      Watch agenda : grinding Americaa down…still free on vimeo. Mind blowing.
      How successful the soviets were.
      Saul Alinsky even has a foreword in his book “Rules for radicals ” It is dedicated to lucifer.Communism to a T.

      I agree Christians are unaware of what is going to happen
      Many will fall for deception. They do now in ” peace time”
      The soviets observed their enemy and spread disinfo. The latest book by Ion Pacepa is titled ” Disinformation” amazing book. He is now 83

      We go wrong at times but Jesus holds us up , helps and guides us as ahe promised The holy spirit will do
      All the best Veritoplan. And I mean this. I bear you no malice, as followers of the Way we cannot, as only truth is important, and loving one another and laying our lives down for our friends is more important than we think.
      God knows the heart and He is kind and loving and will lead us in the right path when we fully trust in him .nine of us possess all truth, but staying close to Jesus is the best way. We all fail, none are perfect sadly,we strive to be.

      • “Bad behaviour is not sanctioned by Jesus, it is by Muhammad. Please think about that.”

        But ‘Bad behaviour’ IS 100% sanctioned by the Church!

        SMA, you argue the point that *Christianity is better than Islam*, but you also say “Am certainly not a Paulinist Christian because he contradicted Jesus”. You’re confused. Paulianity IS the Christian church. The fact that you don’t go to church *proves* my whole point: Christianity is so much no better than Islam, that you don’t go to their churches. So why are you defending them?

        Why are you arguing for the Church, and glossing over their crimes? They are just as bad as the Islamists because at heart they are the same religion – Satanism. (I notice you didn’t answer my points about the Kabbalists.)

        The ‘Christian church’ does not teach or practice Jesus’s teachings – so how can you use Jesus’s teachings to defend the church? It makes no sense! You might as well be defending the Israeli’s destruction of Gaza with Buddha’s teachings. You’re confused.

        I don’t see there’s much difference between “say you were a Muslim, but that you spoke like one.” BTW… It’s the same thing. I found it ridiculous & offensive, so excuse me if I was annoyed.

        I consider the way you associate Jesus with the Satanic Church as offensive: E.g. you say “We must pray for more converts to Jesus from Muhammad”.

        Which church, exactly, would you suggest those converts go to to hear Jesus’s message? Can you think of any?

        You accuse me of not answering your points, but you are just parroting the mainstream media: It’s the Islamists, It’s Russia… Seriously, you’re so far off the truth it’s bewildering. That’s what churchianity does to you – it’s a mind control cult. It stops you from thinking for yourself… No offense intended.

        • I think what was meant here that the church has some teachings that are still in line with christ, but has error mixed in with them.

          and the church does not = Jesus anymore, because of those errors.

          you have also impressed me as muslim, but I have to go by what people say also as to what they are

          • Thanks Marianne. Indeed as you say

          • “the church has some teachings that are still in line with christ”

            The church was designed from it’s inception to conceal Jesus’s message, and to continue the existing (Pagan/Kabbalist) empire under his name, as a deliberate fraud. It has never preached or done what Jesus taught. Never.

            “you have also impressed me as muslim, but I have to go by what people say also as to what they are”

            Marianne. Your mind-set is polarised. You see ‘Christians and Muslims’. You see divisions that do not exist. God is undivided.

            You think that religion is “what people are”, it’s not. All the beliefs of man are illusions. God says: “Your thoughts are not my thoughts”.

            ALL people ARE the children of God. In His eyes we are divided only by what’s in our hearts, NOT what’s in our heads. That is what Jesus taught, and you should know it if you truly believe in him!

            I do not follow any earthly religion. If you remove your polarising-spectacles, you’ll see I have exclusively quoted Jesus and the Bible. Not one quote from the Koran.

            All I have asked of you, as Jesus commanded, is to take the beam out of your eye, and stop condemning your muslim brothers and sisters for being born into a different culture. When you judge another without cause you condemn yourself. This is what Jesus (and every spiritual master) actually taught, and until you do it, you have no right to use his name, or say you believe in him.

            I say this to you and SMA because I believe it’s what Jesus would say to you if he were here.

            • I disagree. all people are NOT the children of God.

              only those who are born again through repentance, and salvation though the blood of Jesus are considered the children of God.

              the rest are lost.

              jesus did not come to earth to die for our sins, so that people could ingore this and do and think what they pleased.

              I see christian and muslim groups, and what they believe.

              when I refer to the church, I am not referring to the institution, but to the body of believers who follow the teachings of Christ

              in that body, some ideas are true, and other ideas are a mystery to be discovered…..but faith is there, and trust in god to reveal these mysteries in due time

  15. “I disagree. all people are NOT the children of God.”

    Jesus said: “You are all sons of the most high…”, do you disagree with him?

    The logic is very simple: There’s only one God. Right?
    God is One. It is Unified. It cannot be divided, it’s impossible.
    So all division is an illusion. To get back to God we have to unite, not divide.

    And God is LOVE. God loves everyone. Right?
    There’s only one Creator, He created all things.
    So all things are God’s children, created with love.
    Some of them are deceived, but they’re still created by God.

    The division you see does not exist in God’s eyes. He doesn’t see ‘Christian’ vs ‘Muslim’, or any religion/belief. He see what people are like in their hearts.

    You repeat certain Churchian dogma which shows you are not truly free of the church in your mind:

    “only those who are born again through repentance, and salvation though the blood of Jesus are considered the children of God.”

    The symbolism of the ‘blood of Jesus’ / ‘saved by the blood of the lamb’ is a Satanic motif. It is not what Jesus actually taught. You are not saved by his blood, that’s the beliefs of the pagan sacrificial Kabballah cult. You’re only saved by being like Jesus.

    “jesus did not come to earth to die for our sins”

    Jesus didn’t come to die for your sins, that’s completely illogical and impossible. Dying for someone else’s sins is jewish ‘scapegoat’ law, it’s a very very silly law that makes no sense. Jesus could no more do that, than go to the toilet for you. It’s designed to make you feel you are not responsible for your own salvation, when if fact you are.

    Jesus came to *show you the way*. He lead by example. Belief in Jesus is only useful if it makes you think & act like he did. Otherwise it’s just a pointless talisman.

    Jesus was not a ‘specially made’ son-of-god superman. He was an ordinary man, who lived and taught the truth. He was elevated to the status of ‘firstborn from the dead’ though his own personal virtue and hard work, NOT because he was ‘special’. God didn’t need to make a ‘special’ man because He’d already made MAN and we are all ‘special’, and we’re all capable of doing what Jesus did – which is *what Jesus said*.

    You’re taught by the Satanic church that Jesus was the ‘saviour’, and you have to wait for him to come back, be meek, and keep paying your taxes. This is the *opposite* of what Jesus taught. He said YOU are the saviour: Follow in his footsteps, and you will do what he did and greater.

    The Churchian mind-control LIE that Jesus is coming back to save you is preventing you from doing what Jesus taught: You have to save yourself – through virtue – first! ‘Be Perfect’ he said. Not ‘Wait for me’.

    All the ‘end-times’ prophesies of the ‘final judgement’ are also a lie. Judgement day is the day you die, and this truth has been twisted by the Kaballist into the ‘judgement day’ of the Abrahamic religions. Again, this false belief was intended to stop YOU from knowing the truth, and acting on it. If you think justice is delayed by God, you have been deceived.

    Perhaps underneath the bigotry you have a good heart, and want the right things, but you must be careful what you believe. Lucifer is the prince of lies, and even saints may be deceived…

    • ver

      Jesus said: “You are all sons of the most high…”, do you disagree with him?

      Yes I agree….he was talking to saved Jews, who belonged to him, not heathens.

      sorry you have such a liberal view of Jesus…next time you see him, which will be judgement day, you can explain the futility of his death to him.

      He is savior, not me……He lives in me, and may work through me, but that does not make me savior….I am only an instrument of his spirit.

      you cannot save yourself, nor can you just be like jesus….it takes the presence of the holy spirit, and you don’t have this.

      you cannot invent your own religion, which is what you are doing….and have it pass with God. you cannot make yourself your own god, and make up your own rules and still go to heaven

      there is only one way to the FAther God in heaven, and that is jesus, and repenting and giving your heart and mind to him.

      • No Marianne, again you are incorrect:

        “The Unbelief of the Jews
        …32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” 34Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS ‘?…”

        He said it to the jews who were about to stone him. Hardly ‘saved’…

        Try to understand the context of what he’s saying. He’s is saying we are all God’s children. That’s why we pray ‘Our Father’. It includes the muslims, the aborigines and the martians too if they exist.

        Christianity is the invented religion, and you can only save yourself: You notice your sins, you repent them, and ask God to remove them. If you end up leaving it to people like me to point out your sins, then you’re failing in your duty.

        “there is only one way to the FAther God in heaven, and that is jesus, and repenting and giving your heart and mind to him.”

        Incorrect. The only way to God is by VIRTUE, i.e. by *copying* Jesus, and repenting and giving your mind to GOD, not Jesus.

        Pretending Jesus is God, and praying to him is idolatry! No matter what your corrupt church says.

        • you are just wrong in your understanding.

          he was talking to his followers, not people who rejected him.

          you have no virtue, and whatever you think you have, is not good enough.

          it is written that man’s righteousness is as filthy rags before God

          Jesus is the Son of God, no matter what you think.

      • actually he SAID…….is it not written, that ye are gods?

        you have to understand what this means……it is not necessarily a promotion to deity

  16. The Global Reach of the Islamic State! 😮

  17. Marianne, please read your Bible. John 10. You will see he was talking to those who opposed him:

    31Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him…
    34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’?

    Yes Jesus is the son of God, and so is everyone. Everyone is God’s child.

    • the reference to “you are gods” still refers to hebrew believers (back in time of Moses) …….this was a reminder of what they SHOULD be, but the crowd he spoke to was full of unbelief, so it does not apply to those with unbelief….

      it does not mention any other people group either.

      Jesus is the Son of God…..he was son of God before he came to earth, and has the power of God.

      we may become “sons of god” through spiritual adoption when we get save, but it does not make us equal to him

      you have an biblical view of the bible … you lack the holy spirit so you cannot interpret what you read.

      the bible has to be spritiually discerned….it is for those that actually belong to God , not those who reject the truth of the Word of God and the MEssiah.

    • “you shall be as gods,” was the lie satan spoke to eve…

      do not fall for it…..

  18. “the reference to “you are gods” still refers to hebrew believers (back in time of Moses) …….this was a reminder of what they SHOULD be, but the crowd he spoke to was full of unbelief, so it does not apply to those with unbelief….”

    That’s not what it says Marianne. He didn’t say ‘should be’, he said ‘you ARE’.

    Are you saying these ‘hebrew believers’ believed in him, just as they were about to kill him? It doesn’t make much sense. Perhaps you imagine he was only speaking to certain people in the crowd? If so, who?

    He didn’t say “SOME OF you are sons of the most high”. Did he.

    Your interpretation does not fit the scripture, nor does it agree with Jesus’s teaching in general.

    • you are misquoting him

      Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

      the law was written before Jesus came to earth……he was quoting the law….not speaking directly to the crowd with a new message


      Question: “What does the Bible mean by ‘you are gods’ / ‘ye are gods’ in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34?”

      Answer: Let’s start with a look at Psalm 82, the psalm that Jesus quotes in John 10:34. The Hebrew word translated “gods” in Psalm 82:6 is Elohim. It usually refers to the one true God, but it does have other uses. Psalm 82:1 says, “God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods.” It is clear from the next three verses that the word “gods” refers to magistrates, judges, and other people who hold positions of authority and rule. Calling a human magistrate a “god” indicates three things: 1) he has authority over other human beings, 2) the power he wields as a civil authority is to be feared, and 3) he derives his power and authority from God Himself, who is pictured as judging the whole earth in verse 8.

      This use of the word “gods” to refer to humans is rare, but it is found elsewhere in the Old Testament. For example, when God sent Moses to Pharaoh, He said, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh” (Exodus 7:1). This simply means that Moses, as the messenger of God, was speaking God’s words and would therefore be God’s representative to the king. The Hebrew word Elohim is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28.

      The whole point of Psalm 82 is that earthly judges must act with impartiality and true justice, because even judges must stand someday before the Judge. Verses 6 and 7 warn human magistrates that they, too, must be judged: “I said, `You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’ But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.” This passage is saying that God has appointed men to positions of authority in which they are considered as gods among the people. They are to remember that, even though they are representing God in this world, they are mortal and must eventually give an account to God for how they used that authority.

      Now, let’s look at how Jesus uses this passage. Jesus had just claimed to be the Son of God (John 10:25-30). The unbelieving Jews respond by charging Jesus with blasphemy, since He claimed to be God (verse 33). Jesus then quotes Psalm 82:6, reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men—albeit men of authority and prestige—as “gods.” Jesus’ point is this: you charge me with blasphemy based on my use of the title “Son of God”; yet your own Scriptures apply the same term to magistrates in general. If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent (verses 34-36)?

      In contrast, we have the serpent’s lie to Eve in the Garden. His statement, “your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil” (Genesis 3:5), was a half-truth. Their eyes were opened (verse 7), but they did not become like God. In fact, they lost authority, rather than gaining it. Satan deceived Eve about her ability to become like the one true God, and so led her into a lie. Jesus defended His claim to be the Son of God on biblical and semantic grounds—there is a sense in which influential men can be thought of as gods; therefore, the Messiah can rightly apply the term to Himself. Human beings are not “gods” or “little gods.” We are not God. God is God, and we who know Christ are His children.

      Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/you-are-gods.html#ixzz3D2C7ioYH

  19. The description given by this link is only one aspect of what was conveyed by Jesus in that story. It’s not a full interpretation, rather a mis-interpretation…

    You obviously prefer division to unity by choosing the beliefs you have, and prefer Churchianism to what Jesus taught, so I’ll leave you to your own little crusade of muslim-bashing,,. After all, you’re a righteous Christian – so all the bashing you do is God’s will, and it’s ok, eh.

    If you’d been brought up in a muslim country you would be a muslim.

    • there is good unity and bad unity…..

      all faiths uniting to make one faith is a deception…..they do not agree on the basics so the “unity” is a sham.

      for those who have no real set of beliefs and think “anything goes” they are lost

  20. Marianne, I’m sorry I failed to approach you or this debate in the right way. My attitude towards you was far too harsh & combative. I had a long chat with God about it last night, and I hope that I can learn from my mistakes. I failed in my duty to be like Jesus, and so I failed you, me & God too. I hope you can accept my apology.
    To my shame I inherited anger issues from my childhood, and I’m only just overcoming them. Thanks for being a good lesson.

  21. Veritopian,

    Excellent self assessment and reply, filled with humility.

    Your reply/comment maybe the most important message on this page!!

    BTW – the issue of anger goes along with issues of bitterness, un-forgiveness. We overcome by confessing the issue (as you did before God and then to the person/situation) and applying the blood of the Lamb.


    It is obvious to me that you are well on your way to overcoming “anger” – thank you Lord.

    You may appreciate this message within the link below – more than ever before.

    The way of holiness – will help you overcome and gain the victory.


    God bless you!
    Psalm 20

    • I agree. All the best Veritoplan.
      Firstly the main thing is to believe in the foundation. Jesus Christ the Son of God.
      The RC and Orthodox Churches Apostolic Creed is also beautiful .
      This foundation unites all Christians all over whatever denomination. That is universal and holds us together as glue, or should do inspite of theological differences,
      RC’s. Anglicans and Lutherans, Calvinists/Presbyterians ( whom i refer to as Paulinists lest there be confusion) methodists, Baptists, orthodox, Evangelical, Pentecostal,etc. Etc. and various independent free churches.
      The core is the same, that basic belief inEmmanuel born of a virgin, God is with us.
      Jesus promised to never leave nor forsake us and communicates through the helper and comforter, The Holy Spirit.

      The first Christians only had access to a few scrolls and letter, mostly stories. There was no bible for three hundred years.they relied The universal law, the ten commandments and upon The Holy Spirit and fellow believers for comfort and encouragement,prayer, knowledge and wisdom.
      Some Christians around the world also even now do not access to Bibles, sometimes only a Gospel.

      The Holy Spirit converts, moves the heart and believers are used also to speak as the Spirit gives utterance.

      Let me share a dream with you I had some years ago. ( I do not claim this was some prophetic dream, i am wary of that but interesting in it’s simplicity)

      There was a great and beautiful hall filled with a crowd sitting listening to many men around a huge oblong table at the front. There were Christian Priests and ministers of every denomination, of all shapes, sizes and ethnicity. Recognisable by their robes or plain suits or casual attire.
      There were even Ultra-Orthodox ,Orthodox and non-Orthodox Rabbi’s represented. It was a very important meeting.
      Each was presenting a case. Some were flustered, pens and papers and scrolls and books being frantically picked up,shoved around , studied etc.
      Some were concentrating in silence, some sitting back looking confused, others angry some mystified, but most were engaged in discussion
      Then out of the middle of the crowd who were listening to the men around the table in silence, a man stood up and said gently. ” I am here” some glanced at him, most ignored him.
      He stepped out to the side, his arms open wide and again ” Here I am”
      Few even glanced, maybe for a moment, irritated not wanting to miss out on the discussion at the front.
      That man was Jesus.

      HE is the essence, the WORD the fulfillment of prophecy , the past present and future. The same forever .
      In HIM alone do we trust and go to, always and everywhere, whatever.
      He will never leave you either, whatever you have been through, whatever you have done and left undone.H e keeps his promises and His Word !!

      Hang in there. Many of us have been in hard places too. And many still are.

      All the best again, and Blessings

  22. Thanks to all of you for your kind comments and forgiveness.
    Pray in private, repent in public, that’s the rule… 🙂

    There’s a whole load of Jesus’s teaching which isn’t in the church at all, and it makes everything make sense. But if I can’t communicate those things, then the knowledge is useless…

    So I’ll work on my communications skills for a bit, and stop being such a dick. 🙂

    Jesus had practical solutions which never made it into the church, such as the Gift Economy.

    • just consider yourself over zealous…. 🙂

    • V –

      “Gift Exchange.” I had not heard of this concept as any Biblical teaching, or even an economy for that matter. I have always believed in a “pass the plate” concept (and I don’t mean just on Sundays in some church) but rather a principle to live by.

      –Take what you need, give what you can. Pass the plate. It WILL come back around again. —

      So many peope, ESPECIALLY the top tier, hold on to all that they have as if it was their life’s blood. If people only took from the “plate” as was needed, AND added to the plate what they could, then passed it on, the plate always comes back around, even sometimes more full than the last time it passed. Unfortunately it requires that more people than not relate to the “plate” the same.

      If most people hoard, out of fear of being without, it does not work. Though, I do my best to live my life this way. I looked up “gift economy” (Googled) and it is listed in Wikipedia.

      What a concept.

  23. RE: Jesus & the Gift-Economy…
    It took me years to put 2+2 together, and realise that’s what he taught… There’s actually quite a lot of folk on the interchat who have come to the same conclusion.

    Some clues are:
    – “Render unto Caesar…”
    – “The lillies of the valley do not toil”
    – “Take no money with you”

    But the clincher is “Love thy neighbor”. It’s the law, not an aspiration… If you love someone you don’t charge them. Jesus taught cooperation instead of competition… That’s why the early Christians were such a threat – because they could show people how to live without money – and this totally undermines Satan’s control system.

    In a gift-economy, people work to enrich their neighbors, not themselves. In that way everyone becomes wealthy, not least in friendship. The most valuable riches we have is each other.

    Everyone is given the security of a home & some land as soon as they’re old enough to want it. So instead of their whole productive life being wasted paying for those things, they’re free to contribute in the way they want to – out of love.

    A gift economy solves 99% of the world problems, from environmental destruction to domestic violence. It obviates theft. It removes coercion. More importantly, it how God intended us to live. It’s what were designed for. We’re made to be cooperative creatues, not competitive.

    In the money system, many people can’t contribute at all, they’re unemployed because there isn’t enough ‘money’ available in the system. Also loads of people do useless jobs like ‘advertising’ or ‘banking’… All these people would be released to be productive. There are loads more benfits too…

    • “Everyone is given the security of a home & some land as soon as they’re old enough to want it. ”

      This sounds nice, in a perfect world . . . but, who “owns” the land in the first place with the authority to give it to another? Who is in charge of dispersing land units out? And, earth only has so much land . . . does the “land authority” then have the responsibility to “take” some land from one and give it to another when “they’re old enough” to want it?

      Or, am I missing something here.

      • Denise,

        Regarding who owns the land. Check this out.

        Letter from Tecumseh to William Henry Harrison, August 12, 1810.

        This letter from Tecumseh to Governor William Henry Harrison in council at Vincennes on August 12, 1810 after, in Tecumseh’s absence, large amounts of land had been sold by the Indians on both sides of the Wabash River.

        “It is true I am a Shawnee. My forefathers were warriors. Their son is a warrior. From them I take only my existence; from my tribe I take nothing.

        I am the maker of my own fortune; and oh! that I could make of my own fortune; and oh! that I could make that of my red people, and of my country, as great as the conceptions of my mind, when I think of the Spirit that rules the universe.

        I would not then come to Governor Harrison to ask him to tear the treaty and to obliterate the landmark; but I would say to him: “Sir, you have liberty to return to your own country.”

        The being within, communing with past ages, tells me that once, nor until lately, there was no white man on this continent; that it then all belonged to red men, children of the same parents, placed on it by the Great Spirit that made them, to keep it, to traverse it, to enjoy its productions, and to fill it with the same race, once a happy race, since made miserable by the white people, who are never contented but always encroaching.

        The way, and the only way, to check and to stop this evil, is for all the red men to unite in claiming a common and equal right in the land, as it was at first, and should be yet; for it never was divided, but belongs to all for the use of each. For no part has a right to sell, even to each other, much less to strangers — hose who want all, and will not do with less.

        The white people have no right to take the land from the Indians, because they had it first; it is theirs. They may sell, but all must join. Any sale not made by all is not valid. The late sale is bad. It was made by a part only. Part do not know how to sell.

        All red men have equal rights to the unoccupied land. The right of occupancy is as good in one place as in another. There can not be two occupations in the same place. The first excludes all others.

        It is not so in hunting or traveling; for there the same ground will serve many, as they may follow each other all day; but the camp is stationary, and that is occupancy. It belongs to the first who sits down on his blanket or skins which he has thrown upon the ground; and till he leaves it no other has a right.”


        • :::sigh::: It saddens me, DJ. Little by little, one by one, the history of the land of our country is being wiped out. I live in a part of Northern California where “they” have been wanting to put in a highway bypass and they’ve managed to disturb ancient burial grounds, taken down hundreds of years old redwoods, and disrupted the ecological wet lands.

          What was that song from way back when? Big Yellow Taxi? “They paved paradise, put up a parking lot.”

          Even if somebody else owns it, it seems someone else can take it.

  24. It’s a fair question. The answer is a bit long.
    Ultimately, there’s a whole natural law that goes with this. But it’s been largely forgotten… Fortunately it’s simple, based on common sense, and re-discoverable…
    I’m working on the answers in my blog. One thing I can say is that it seems increasingly clear to me that property / land ownership should be exclusively in the hands of women… Although God’s the ultimate owner.
    Women are Earth. Men are Spirit. We need each other to be who we’re supposed to be…
    Men are designed to make people happy. Women are designed to make people healthy. If we do our jobs we should be healthy & happy… 🙂

  25. information sent in by kitti:

    The Roman Catholic and Islamic Connection

    This is what your Seventh Day Adventist friends have to say on this subject.


    Mario Joseph


    Imam is saying in the video: There are no Women’s names in the Koran, except for Mariam, the Mother of Jesus. Muhammad is mentioned only 4 times in the Koran and Jesus is mentioned 25 times. It’s in the video. Watch it. I learned something today. LOL!


    An Indian Imam converts to Christianity!

    As a Muslim imam, Mario Joseph was well-versed in the Koran and in the teachings of the Islamic religion. In fact, it was precisely the Koran that brought him to Jesus Christ.
    Published on Apr 21, 2014


    From Darkness to Light
    As a Muslim imam, Mario Joseph was well-versed in the Koran and in the teachings of the Islamic religion. In fact, it was precisely the Koran that brought him to an encounter with Jesus Christ and with the truth of the Catholic faith. But his conversion did not come without difficulties; as a consequence, he has undergone grave persecution. How has he attained his intense love toward the Church, the Cross and Heaven? He himself tells us in this week’s impacting episode of Changing Tracks.


    A Different Look at Islam

    The Mary Myth, Worry Beads, Catholicism and the Goddess connection.

    What your Imam never told you!

    What are the commonalities between the Catholic Church and Islam? From a cursory look they seem separate religious practices with one based in so-called apostolic succession and the other based in the Mohammedan Caliphate. There is some proof the Catholic Church invented Islam to fight the onslaught of zealous Jews and Christians and to gain a foothold in the Biblical Holy-land called Israel/Palestine.

    By Diaa Hadid, Associated Press November 2, 2013

    In mid-October, workers prepare to put a statue of Jesus on its base on Mount Sednaya, Syria. Now, the 12.3-meter (40-foot) tall, bronze statue of Jesus been erected, apparently under cover of a truce among three factions – Syrian forces, rebels and gunmen in the Christian town of Sednaya.
    Beirut — In the midst of a conflict rife with sectarianism, a giant bronze statue of Jesus has gone up on a Syrian mountain, apparently under cover of a truce among three factions in the country’s civil war.

    Jesus stands, arms outstretched, on the Cherubim mountain, overlooking a route pilgrims took from Constantinople to Jerusalem in ancient times. The statue is 12.3 meters (40 feet) tall and stands on a base that brings its height to 32 meters (105 feet), organizers of the project estimate.
    That the statue made it to Syria and went up without incident on Oct. 14 is remarkable. The project took eight years and was set back by the civil war that followed the March 2011 uprising against President Bashar Assad.

  26. All I see are a bunch of reasons to revert all the world’s humans to secularism.

    • factmonger

      Discarding God will not help. Finally obeying him and his commandments would bring peace.

      But religions have abandoned God’s laws, and made their own.

      So all will be punished for this perversion of divine law, and the world will be restored back to the beginning when all was peaceful and orderly.

  27. The Crusades were basically instigated by the same people/powers that hired the locals in the Middle East to do their dirty work as they did not have enough man power of their own to bring it about, Rome. The Roman were in charge but there were not enough Roman citizens to fill the ranks in their expansionist quest. Interestingly many of these became members later on of the Muslim religion, which I still believe was started by Rome. Same entity that started their own all encompassing universal church that includes all sort of deities, male and female with crestus Cesar at the helm. They are the ones that made up the long haired, toga wearing anomia crestus romanus which they use to control and placate the masses.
    Yeshua said you shall know them by their fruits, well they (including their off shoots) produce the same rotten fruit.

  28. When I visited Jerusalem I fell in the Spirit the churches and mosques in Jerusalem are all an abomination to Yah. When Yahoshua returns they will all come down along with all the idolatry as He will clean His city from all the trespassing of the Gentiles and all the abominations committed there.
    The secret societies all may believe there are supernatural powers in Jerusalem that they wish to tap upon but they are all deceived. Those who are human among them need to repent while there is still time.

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