Leviathan’s home


The bible and ancient legends have Leviathan living in the sea.

Is he still there?

Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.

Job mentions leviathan being caught with a hook, using fishing terminology.

Job 41:1 Canst you draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord [which] you let down?


The bible also mentions that the Beast comes out of the sea

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Notice that the beast has multiple heads.

The psalms also mentions that leviathan had multiple heads.

Psa 74:13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou broke the heads of the dragons in the waters.

Psa 74:14 You brake the heads of leviathan in pieces, [and] gave him [to be] meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

This is a mysterious statement, because being given dragon meat is not mentioned in Exodus, yet it is recorded here by King David.

While I always had assumed the beast description was symbolic in Revelation, is it possible a real beast – the leviathan – still resides in the sea, ready to emerge and terrorize the world, being Satan himself, in his true, fallen, reptile form?


In Revelation 8-9, it describes the 7 trumpets of God, where a mountain of fire is hurled into the sea, destroying a third of the sea, and making the waters bitter.

Right after this, the bottomless pit opens up and demons come out to torment mankind.

Is there a connection between disturbing the sea, and the appearance of the demons?

Is there something under the ocean we should be aware of?

Ancient and even more modern legends describe sea monsters.

While reptiles are part of God’s natural creation, is it possible that Satan is among them in hidden form, especially in the sea, where he can remain undisturbed until his time comes?


Here is one article mentioning the discovery of sea dragon fossils:



For more than a thousand years ancient and medieval mariners often returned from their voyages with frightening tales of encounters with, or sightings of, large and dangerous sea monsters.

These were amazing creatures, not only because of their size and ferocity, but also because they would at times break the surface of the water, indicating that they were actually air breathers. This, along with their unique anatomy, made it clear that these strange creatures were not a species of fish.

It was soon recognized that they were some kind of unusual marine reptile.

Consequently, they were often referred to as sea dragons.

As time went by, fewer and fewer of these unique and fearsome creatures were seen.

Eventually there were only the stories from olden days. Finally the stories themselves began to lose their credibility and were relegated to the realm of legends or mythology.

However, in the 1800s a young English girl, Mary Anning of Lyme Regis, England, discovered the fossil remains of some strange and very ancient marine animals.

The pay she received from various paleontologists motivated her to keep looking. She found so many that she actually was able to make a living from the discovery and sale of these fossils.

In time the fossils she found received their modern names of ichthyosaurs, meaning "fish lizards," and plesiosaurs, meaning "near lizards."

One of the reasons that sea dragons were seen less frequently is because they were able to stay underwater for long periods of time made possible by the design of their ribs.

The ribs of the right side were united to those of the left by a set of intermediate bones which came to be referenced as the "sterno-costal" arcs. "

This structure was probably subservient to the purpose of introducing to their bodies an unusual quantity of air; the animal by this means being enabled to remain long beneath the water, without rising to the surface for the purpose of breathing."

Ichthyosaurs had both paddles (flippers) and fins.

The fins probably were used for stabilization and steering and the paddles for lift, but neither were used for propulsion.

This was accomplished by the tail, swishing back and forth rapidly which may have allowed it to swim at speeds up to 40 miles per hour.


While the location of Satan, if existing in a physical body, is only speculation, it is interesting that the sea could provide a habitat for him.

The sea allows for the unencumbered growth of large creatures, such as whales.

The article above speaks of dragon fossils found in the sea.

Could there be any dragons left?

In the end times, Satan takes on the form of a dragon during some of the events predicted.

While I do not really want to be here to see such a thing, it would be an amazing, and terrifying sight to see Satan himself arise out of the sea, and unleash his evil wrath upon the inhabitants of the earth.

Satan is also a spirit.

So, it is obvious he can be “located” elsewhere – on and under earth, and in the heavens as well.

The antichrist figure predicted is described by his behaviors on earth, but not his physical appearance.

I wonder what he really looks like.

159 Responses to “Leviathan’s home”

  1. Revelation 12-9 shows that the seven headed dragon is THAT OLD SERENT in the Garden.. 2 Corinthians 11-3,4,14 shows that this end time scenario is the exact same deception as Eve’s. in the Garden….Satan appears as an angel of light (messiah) with another Gospel, that teaches another Jesus and another spirit of God..THIS IS MOHAMMED, KORAN, ISSA AND ALLAH..This is satan’s counterfeit of the kingdom of God…

    Revelation 12-9…And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. The seven heded dragon is satan and his seven angels…
    The beast scenario of Rev 13 is satan’s kingdom…Rev 16-10..
    It is a total counterfeit of God’s kingdom….

  2. We must realize that Revelations is written as a figurative language
    and is not to be taken as literal.

    “Revelation 13:1‐10 “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and
    saw a beast (empire) rise up out of the sea (of people, Rev
    17:15), having seven heads and ten horns (The Holy Land is
    central in Bible prophecy so this beast is the various nations
    that controlled the Holy Land during the Christian era), and
    upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of
    blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a
    leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear , and his
    mouth as the mouth of a lion (Greece, Medo‐Persia, Babylon
    or today’s Syria, Iran, Iraq, i.e., the Islamic hegemony): and
    the dragon (Satan) gave him his power, and his seat, and
    great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were
    wounded unto death (at the Battles of Tours and Vienna);
    and his deadly wound was healed (after 1948‐1967 the new
    Jihad begins): and all the world (the nations surrounding
    Israel) wondered after the beast. And they worshiped the
    dragon (Satan) which gave power unto the (Islamic) beast:
    and they worshiped the (Islamic ) beast, saying, Who is like
    unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And
    there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and
    blasphemies (against God who created the Universe); and
    power was given unto him to continue (controlling the Holy
    Land) forty and two months (of day‐years, from 688 to
    1967). And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God,
    to blaspheme his name (saying God has no Son), and his
    tabernacle (the temple mount), and them that dwell in
    heaven.” (All believers are now spiritually seated in the
    heavens with Christ, Ephesians 1:3)
    Revelation 13:6‐10 “And it was given unto him to make war
    with the saints (the 1st Jihad), and to overcome them (from
    India to Spain): and power was given him over all kindreds,
    and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth
    shall worship him (about the world as known to John, Israel
    and the surrounding nations of the Middle East), whose
    names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain
    from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let
    him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into
    captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with
    the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.””

    Above taken from “Daniel & Revelation Teaching Outline” by
    Ellis Skolfield. Obtainable from Fish House Ministries. To really understand above, download and read the complete book.

    • OK Well that just ruin my idea of a seven year tribulation after reading it. So where does that leave us now?

      • dave

        we only need 3 1/2 years to complete Jacob’s trouble and then Jesus returns.

        Some feel the first 3 1/2 years was completed by jesus when he came to earth. then he was “cut off” in the middle of the week.

  3. I think rise out of the sea means rise out of the poulation of humans on earth, and nations around the world. Like regions of economy giving their power to the Dragon for one hour.

    Notice how the global government is trying it’s best to give the Muslim Brotherhood it;s own region of economy, and coin to rule over. North Africa, Egypt, perhaps Syria, Iraq, and maybe lessor Arab countries with Saudia Arabia coming together underthe flag of a Muslim Empire. Britan beat the last one in WW1, and divided it.

    Also, notice how the CFR controled government of these United States are walking guns to gangs in Mexico getting Americans murdered. This is to attack the Bill of Rights, and tke away gun ownership in America. Add illegal alien invasion and a North American Union will be formed for security reasons.

    We are close.

  4. Here is a study of Leviathan that may surprise you and I trust informs you.

    Job 41:34 says that Leviathan is “monarch over all the sons of pride”.

    Leviathan is the name of “pride” and we are given a vivid description of this “spirit”. It is a very powerful spirit associated with Satan and his principality.

    In Job 3:8, a reference is made to a dragon, which according to ancient mythology, was supposed to cause eclipses by wrapping itself around the sun. Leviathan was considered to be a great mythical monster, identified with the Babylonian mother goddess, Timat. The father of Timat was Apsu, in the Babylonian creation story. This monster fought with Marduk by reciting charms and casting witchcraft spells.

    “His rows of scales are his pride, hhut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, They stick together and cannot be parted” (Job 41:15-17, NKJV).

    Pride – as scales are his pride, bound so tightly that air (Holy Spirit?) cannot penetrate.

    In Job, Leviathan is described as “strength dwells in his neck, and sorrow dances before him. The folds of his flesh are joined together; They are firm on him and cannot be moved” (Job 41:22-23, NKJV).

    Pride – this is known as “stiffed necked” in the Old Testament. Oh, those Israelites can be a very stiff necked people, as we can be today.

    Pride – this is evident in with those holding a “hard heart” not soft as the Lord God gives us, when we repent. “His heart is as hard as stone, even as hard as the lower millstone. When he raises himself up, the mighty are afraid; Because of his crashing they are beside themselves” (Job 41:24-25 NKJV).

    “His undersides are like sharp potsherds; He spreads pointed marks in the mire. He makes the deep boil like a pot; He makes the sea like a pot of ointment. He leaves a shining wake behind him; One would think the deep had white hair” (Job 41:30-32).

    Leviathan, a demonic spirit, attacks the spiritual goals of believers, restricts and bondage of worship and human move towards the Lord, disrupts learning and understanding, and almost always present as the result of a generational/family curse.

    Job has his eyes open to Leviathan as he is when he states in the climax and to conclude the account “I’ve heard but now I see” (41:5). Job became personally aware (through friends and the work of Satan) that the “problem” was pride and God enabled Job to experience it and share the story with us.

    “You crushed the heads of Leviathan [Egypt]; You did give him as food for the creatures inhabiting the wilderness” (Psalm 74:14, NKJV).

    “In that day [the Lord will deliver Israel from her enemies and also from the rebel powers of evil and darkness] His sharp and unrelenting, and strong sword will visit and punish leviathan the swiftly fleeing serpent, leviathan the twisting and winding serpent; and He will slay the monster that is in the sea Isaiah” (27:1, NJKV).

    Strong’s (3882 and, 3867) defines Leviathan as a wreathed animal or serpent. Leviathan is represented in the heavens as the constellation of the dragon, Cetus. This word, which occurs six times in the Old Testament, comes from a root word which means to bend or twist. It means literally wreathed; like a wreath; to be wreathed; gathering itself in folds.

    In context of Job, it suggests some form of aquatic monster which dwells in the sea. We know within Scripture that the sea represents nations of people. The sea is the voice of many waters, or many people, in the book of Revelation.

    Jesus rebuked the disciples, because of their heart. “Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen” (Mark 16:14 NKJV).

    Jesus knows the spirits and they knew him. When the disciples came to Jesus to complain/wonder about the deliverance of a spirit from a man that would not easily depart, Jesus said that this spirit can only come out with prayer and fasting. This particularly difficult spirit was probably Leviathan.

    “Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; Nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, And bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; Sling stones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; He laughs at the threat of javelins” (Job 41:26-29, NKJV).

    The reason people get so shut in is because of the effects of leviathan’s tight coils around them, inhibiting the moving of the Spirit. They cannot hear or discern the Spirit and they say they never get a word from the Lord or move in the gifts. The reason is that no air of the Spirit is able to get in because this demon has such a strangle hold. The scales are joined one to another and cannot be sundered.

    This spirit looks down on all who are haughty; he is a king over all those who are proud. Pride and Leviathan are synonymous. It is hard to separate them because pride causes that stony heart to close the scales and folds together blocking the Spirit of God from entering. Leviathan’s most crucial work, as that evil spirit, is restraining people from receiving the things of God and of the Spirit.

    You may say you have no pride but rebellious pride often hides. This spirit is quick to attribute to self the honor due to God, therefore this pride is the very root and essence of all sin. Leviathan’s spiritual work can be very subtle. He can twist, writhe and slip out of the way; causing one to reject dependence on God and subjection to God.

    Long ago Lucifer said, “I will exalt myself; I will sit on the sides of the north and be king” (Isaiah 14). The very root of his downfall was pride. We are descended from Adam and therefore easily affected by pride. This why Leviathan is so strong, powerful and is deeply rooted in our self.

    There is a way to overcome Leviathan – it requires deliverance ministry. It requires – fasting and prayer and seeking the Great Deliverer to expel that spirit. If you would like more information – write back and I’ll direct you to resources. Blessings (Psalms 40).

    • hi DJ

      Thanks for giving such a comprehensive and thoughtful comment. Blessings to you also.

    • Hi DJ,
      I just want to clear up one small error you made, in regards to the constellations.
      The constellation Cetus is actually a whale. It contains no bright stars and is difficult to pick out even in a dark sky.
      The constellation Draco is the dragon, and it winds throughout the big and little dippers as well as Cassiopeia (the chained maiden) and Cephus (The King). It is the longest constellation in the sky and is quite easy to trace on a good night.
      Its a small point but I’ve noted that few bible scholars are very heavy into the study of astronomy.
      I’m here to fix that whenever I can.

      • Thanks for the correction. I wish I could remember the reference I was thinking about.
        My constellation understanding in that reply is inclusive in what is above us as of 9/20/11 in Virgo (Venus/Saturn/Sun/ Murcury/Moon), Jupitor over the head of Cetus and soon, Mars in the heart of Leo on 11-11-11. Saturn leaves Virgo on 11-11-11 too.
        All of the above is inclusive of Rev 12 “signs in the heavens”.
        In my opinion – the 7 years weeks of Daniel started on Feasts of Trumpets 9/29/11. God’s calendar and clock in the heavens does add to all the world events and earthly signs we see in the news. Then there are the solar/lunar schedule for 2015, and the 70 years from 1948 to 2018 and other dates/years information do add to the Rev 12 sign.
        Been away from this blog for many months. Good to be back.
        I’m working to keep Leviathan, Jez and those evil spirits out of my church (and anyone who askes for help) and off my flesh these days (Rev 2 and 3). The work is hard and ongoing and the rewards are eternal.

    • THANK you for that! I am very interested in finding out how to remove this.. I have a mother who is no doubt possessed by the Jezebel spirit.. Addiction runs Rapid in my family. Praise God he had delivered me from it over 5 years ago. I can’t seem to hear my fathers voice and it breaks my heart.. I love him so much but I can feel a wall around me.. Thank you so much.. our God is faithful and hears my cry to soften my heart.. God bless

  5. Your welcome. Our Lord is good. He is the Great Deliverer, our Strong Defender and Good Shepherd.

    The Lord has given me the gift of deliverance (Luke 10:19): expelling evil spirits out of believers and non-believers.

    I experienced this ministry and recently ministered to another believer. I have also apply spiritual warfare at the workplace and within a few churches – thank you Lord. The warfare is real and it is serious. The results of the warfare encounters were amazing – good/powerful. Victory, with a demonstration of the authority the Lord gives us. It also is vey disturbing to know the level of control/influence the enemy has within believers and ministers.

    Leviathan is a very very strong/powerful spirit. There are others I could write about – Python and Jezebel. I have experience all three and their minions.

    When I read this posting today… Lets get serious, The Word of God does not contain stories of dragons or fables of old. Try “Ghost Busters” and you are closer to the truth.

    I could share my experiences in churches. The Lord let me know the powerful deciptions of Phython and Jezebel within two churchs – holding back the work of the Holy Spirit. Through interessionary prayers during worship/preaching – I have seen/felt evidence of the demonic oppression.

    While there is a work of God within these “evanglical” churches – there is a cover of blindess and an opression by those powers (spirits) that is holding back a greater work of God. There is a dragons and fairytail understanding of reality in the spiritual realm. – weak milk toast understand of Paul’s message in Timothy, Ephs and the Lord’s work. Pride is doing its work too.

    I pray as a warrior – to break those powers of darkness and tear down their strongholds.

    While I am not an expert – as those I have studied are considered to be- I know what I write about to be true: biblically solid when applied by the authority, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Two years ago, I knew nothing about spiritual warfare or these principalities or powers that are around us. During this past year, I studied the Word (deeply and with a passion) and read much from a highly qualified scholar, Derek Prince (“War in Heaven”, “Secrets of a Prayer Warrior” and “You Shall Expel Demons”).

    The devil is within our churches and is applying Lavithan, Python and Jez to do the work. To an extent it is done through you and me – but there are others seated in the church that are there doing the work with intent!

    Until 3 months ago, I was part of the problem. Now, I am working – praying against them. Thank you Lord.

    Blessings to you.
    Luke 10:19

  6. So you say leviathon operates through pride. What does python and jezebel stand for , in your oinion? Python – religious spirit? and jezebel – manipulation and controlling spirit?

    • The Jezebel spirit is born of witchcraft and rebellion. This demon is a very common spirits. She (think spirit walking in a suit or jeans) operates freely on sincere believers whose hearts are for God individually, and has also attained positions of power as “powers and principalities” within the many churches and in the home. This spirit establishes its stronghold primarily in women; however, many men have been victimized by it as well, where it functions as a “controlling” spirit.
      The war continues today between Jezebel and Elijah. Like all wars, there are casualties. Leaders sometimes fall – home crushed and marriages break. Soldiers sometimes withdraw (me) to regroup and fight another day (spiritual fighting this time). Jezebel wants to keep the church and the world within its present boundaries.
      Read 2 Kings account of Jez, Ezek, and Jehu. Jehu took no prisoners and showed no mercy to Jez. He had singleness of purpose and was driven by it. As he approached Jezebel those who saw his chariot noted he “drives furiously”. When others offered peace and compromise, Jehu responded, “How can there be peace as long as the harlotries and witchcrafts of Jezebel are many?”
      Consider 2 Corinthians 6:15, “What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?”
      Read carefully Rev 2. Jezebel is alive in churches and homes today and must be confronted in both. Jez does not work in a vacuum (there are other spirits partnering with Jez) and Jez knows how to attack men directly and which ones to stay clear of but use of manipulation. It is all about her and her needs, wants and desires.
      “This is the way of an adulteress: she eats and wipes her mouth and says, ‘I have done no wrong’” (Proverbs 30:20).
      The Spirit of Jezebel is basically a controlling spirit working through the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. It has, in general, two aims: 1) gain identity, glory, recognition, power, and satisfy the need for the “praises of men”. This is a consequence of the desire for love and self-worth focused on self. 2) Seek to emasculate all men, and divest them of their authority and power over others.
      This is important – to play under cover and win with a smile – Jez spirit “fosters a distrust” of men in general to the extream of hating men. But it is the fostering activity that is deadly. Comments, jokes, undermining activity that build up to a victory (defeat male authority as God sets forth in the Gen 1, in the home, and church.
      The “Jezebel spirit” is in a constant agitation, terribly aggressive, very determined, callous, controlling, selfish, power-hungry, manipulative, unrepentant, deceitful spirit, an overwhelmingly evil spirit. Some people all her “Satan’s woman”.
      There are two main types of the Jezebel spirit: 1) high-profile type is generally gregarious, outspoken and highly visible. She is often seen as the “woman who wears the pants in the family”. 2) low-profile type is soft-spoken, giving the illusion of being solicitous, motherly, protective, even appearing very submissive. The low-profile type may be the most dangerous, as she is the most difficult to discern. She relies heavily on manipulation for her power, in extremely subtle performances. ”
      The Jezebel Spirit absolutely hates and shuns repentance and humility. These make her a partner with Leviathan and the other spirits (rebellion, rejection, envy etc.). Demonic spirits do not work alone or independent.
      This is the key in discerning this spirit – a pride-filled rebellious person refusing to repent.
      “No” is the operative word against Jez, when those in spiritual authority say “No” to her, she is ready for war. She will stab you in the back and do anything to undermined decisions and the authority that even thinks they can say “No”.
      If left to grow and develop (success breeds success) this spirit becomes very strong. Such women may be sweet and polite to you but are cutting as long knives at home or behind the office door.
      I have personal and professional experience with/against this spirit. It is truly spiritual warfare – full armor (Ephs), intersession prayer and more than one person joining in prayer against the spirit to break this evil spirit. Remember – it is not the person we are at war with – it is a demonic spirit. I love the person but hate the sin (spirit).

  7. “The devil is within our churches and is applying Lavithan” This is true. It is the ultimate deception which many will fall for.

  8. I think DJ is on the right track here.
    Leviathan does not refer to a real creature and we are not going to be attacked by sea monsters during the tribulation.
    However, Leviathan may be related to the beasts of Revelation as the descriptions are similar. It may refer to pride or it may be a different aspect in the tribulation, perhaps related to the mark of the beast.
    But whatever it is, it has nothing to do with Islam as some here believe.
    The beasts of Revelation are not Islam. They followed the Roman empire, the last beast (kingdom) of Daniel. These two successive empires are the Holy Roman Empire and the Vatican – the entities that controlled not the holy land, but God’s new church – the Christians.
    Where Satan comes in is the consolidation of the religions of Rome by Constantine who was a pagan up until his death bed. He called the new religion Christianity as he claimed to have seen a vision of a cross just before he went into a crucial battle and gave credit to the God of the Christians for his victory.
    But the new religion was as much pagan as it was Christian and in a clever ploy Satan created a false version of Christianity that exists to this day. Anyone who celebrates Christmas in any way is angering God by honoring the actual birthday of Tammuz, the false messiah of the Mystery Babylon religion. By the time this religion filtered thru the Medo-Persians, the Greeks and finally the Romans, it was called Saturnalia, birthday of the sun-god Mithras. Satan has blinded modern Christians to this fact and they are all convinced they are doing a service to Jesus by celebrating His birthday.
    Praying to statues was also big with the Romans, and over a billion Catholics pray every day to a statue of Mary, Jesus or saint Christopher etc.
    Rome forced the Christian churches to keep their statues of false gods and the early church not only went along with it by renaming the statues to Christian saints, but they actually removed the second commandment from the bible to cover their asses. God is not happy about that, or the fact that they changed the sabbath day to Sunday just because that was the day Romans went to temples and prayed to Mithras, their sun god. You can be sure He’s pretty pissed about that too. The fourth commandment begins with the words “Remember the sabbath and keep it holy.” Seems He knew most people would forget it.
    Most Christians are going to be stunned when the tribulation arrives and nobody has been raptured. They will gather together and go to church faithfully every Sunday to pray for protection. When the seven last plagues come upon them they will curse God and pray for death which will not come, and they will wonder why the other religions of the world are unaffected by the plagues.
    Yes, they will all follow the beast – the Vatican – as the next and final pope performs miracles and brings the whole (Christian) world under his dominion. He will seem pious and almost Christlike and like all other popes before him, he will be thought of as Christ incarnate until Jesus actually returns. That is in his official title, Vicarius Filii Dei“ or the substitute for the Son of God. Add up those Roman letter/numerals and you will get a famous number – 666.
    When the Holy Roman Empire is restored soon (a combination of the European Union and the Vatican) the first beast’s deadly wound will be healed. The pope will have ultimate religious power and will declare mandatory Sunday worship.
    During the dark ages after the fall of Rome and the start of the Holy Roman Empire, millions were killed who refused the first mark of the beast. After the council of Laodicea proclaimed “Thou shalt not Judaize” and banned Saturday worship and forced Sunday worship around 100 million saints were killed in the inquisition that followed for refusing to dishonor God’s true sabbath. These brave souls are mentioned in Revelation 6:

    Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

    Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

    We all know how prophecy repeats itself. This is a clear warning about the coming mark of the beast. The church that perpetrated these deeds will be punished. Babylon will be destroyed. Pagan practices (and there are many) will be stripped from the church before Christ can marry His bride.
    If you think that every church-going Christian is going to be taken away before the test is given, you are in for a big disappointment. And if you think you are going to sit back and watch God destroy any other religions, however false, you are also mistaken.
    Do you know the commandments? Because there is going to be a quiz soon. Think the commandments no longer apply? Then you’re in for a shock.
    As DJ alluded to, the problem is in the churches today. Just as Jesus rebuked 6 of the 7 churches in rev 3, most of today’s churches including the whore of Babylon (Vatican) and all of its harlot daughter churches, are going to be likewise rebuked or even destroyed at the second coming.
    God is going to clean His house and remove all the elements placed there by Satan over the years. God can be a stickler for details, so don’t think you can get by because your heart is in the right place. You too will be rebuked for every Christmas card you send and for every present you buy. Prayers said from church on Sunday will be rejected by the lord and will fall on deaf ears. If in your mind (forehead) Sunday is the Lord’s day, then you have the mark of the beast. If you go to church on Sunday (the right hand represents your works or deeds), then you have the mark of the beast.
    If you think all you need to do is refuse to have a chip implanted or a barcode tattooed on you in order to avoid the mark, you are also in for a big surprise.
    If Leviathan is a beast controlled by Satan, you will surely find it in the Vatican and soon in the restored Holy Roman Empire. In Revelation John mentions 8 kingdoms – four from Daniel, and four of his own vision. His first two are call beasts (5 & 6), but are nevertheless kingdoms, and they are followed by two more which he just refers to as the seventh (European Union-restored Roman empire) and the eighth, which is of the seventh – the restored Holy Roman Empire. The seventh has arrived as of a year ago, so there is only one more to go. It will issue the mark of the beast or at least make it mandatory. It will not be insidious like an implant, but reassuring to most people. Just go to church every Sunday and pray – just as God (Satan) wants you to.
    The question is, “Will you be prepared?”
    I pray that you will be.

    • James, I agree with you. It is clear to us who exactly the beast. It is within our walls, not outside. Understanding history helps us understand the future.

    • James – You got it right. If Jesus does not come back for Philly soon (a few months), then all the churches are going to go through a time of “tribulation” that will separate the fat from the lean sheep.

    • Romans 14:5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord

  9. I accept that events will be played out as described in Revelation and Daniel, and other prophets, etc. This post was just to speculate if satan really had a physical body, what was its true form. He is spirit and will invade the soul of anyone who welcomes him in.

  10. Leviathan is the Dragon that makes you believe false things, that is how powerful it is. Even the Elect will struggle. AA Michael will cast it down for a short life but we will be stuck with it for that short time. Thanks AA Michael. Not your fault though.

  11. This quote came from an article entitled

    “Assyria: A Study of Symbols”

    p. 26). For instance, the Snake god or “Dragon” was a symbol of various gods or a magically protective factor. When the Assyrian king SENNACHERIB (704-681) took over Babylon, he brought back this symbol declaring it as the beast of the state god Ashur (2, p. 166).

  12. Marianne, I have often considered the spiritual applications of water as life and dry places as death. But I think there is much natural to reveal spiritual truths with water and the absence of water…dry. Liviathan was immersed in water…so to speak…yet his true abode is the dry place of death…waterless place…in the spiritual sense.

    Mt 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

    Mt 8:31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. 32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

    And I don’t think it is coincidence the fires of eternal destruction are the result of ultimate and infinite dry. As fire only happens in the absence of water, too, Death only happens in the absence of Life.

    In the physical sense, I think there were actually water-abiding dragons before they became extinct used as the natural to reveal the spiritual. In that perspective, Liviathon/Satan, would dwell in the depths of the seas….seeking rest from the dry…as did the unclean spirits on whom God had mercy and allowed them to enter the swine and seek water (life)..since that is as close as they can get to it.

    FAll is upon us and the leaves are drying and falling to the ground. Again, we are reminded of green and dry…of life and death…of Good and Evil.
    Lu 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

  13. The Dragon is wrapped around the world restraining the purifying fire, Hence Thess 2.

  14. Dave, the Dragon does not have the power to prevent God’s purification of those who seek and receive Him. God rules….and Satan fears and trembles before Him. He only has power over those who yield themselves to him. Thus, ‘Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.’

    • This is true but after Michael he (the restrainer) will be removed and after the purifying fire, he will ‘flee from you’ AND won’t come back. Now that will be a nice day.

  15. James, ouch!!! Sunday church goers have the mark of the beast?? Sorry you feel that way. Know it is Adventist doctrine but…ouch…:).

    • Well Carolyn, that is what makes the mark so insidious. It’s so simple, no-one will believe it. But Satan is clever and knows the bible. To break one commandment is to break them all. If he tried to get people to break the first commandment and to worship him above God, nobody is going to fall for it. That’s why a major antichrist figure demanding worship by accepting a chip or barcode in his name is just fantasy.
      It is a commandment that Christians have been breaking for over 1500 years and they are happy to keep breaking it without much thought.
      But think of this – after Christ returns and is control of the governments and the one true church, which day will he ask people to rest and keep holy? Will he bow to the orders of an ancient Roman emperor? Will He agree to follow the traditions of man? Or will he restore the true sabbath as it was declared by God on the seventh day according to Genesis?
      Assuming the latter is true, then part of the cleansing of the churches before the marriage will be to eliminate the pagan Sunday as the Lord’s day. Given the difficulty in getting people of the dark ages to switch from Saturday to Sunday (200 years and over 100 million executed for heresy), God knows the difficulty in switching back. What better idea than to send a plague to everyone who is breaking the law – a plague so terrible they wish for death, but death does not come. Those that live thru the tribulation who had the mark will never even think about using Sunday as the Lord’s day ever again. The will be instantly and permanently cured. Pretty clever eh? God’s no slouch when it comes to psychology.
      God said, “If you love Me then keep My commandments.” That’s all, so what’s the big deal? You already know why Sunday is not the true sabbath, so why not honor the true one? What’s so hard about that? Why does everyone resist even after knowing the truth?
      It seems Satan has everyone so well trained he hardly has to do anything. He even has thousands of advocates arguing his point. 99.9% of Christians are already worshiping on his day. And the tiny group of 7th day Adventists et al. are not worth his time and effort to try to convert.
      Yup, as the bible says, “The whole world will follow the beast.” They are already following him and don’t realize it.
      I’m here to try to change that.
      God bless us all. Every one.

  16. Ezekiel 9
    1[THE SPIRIT] cried in my ears [in the vision] with a loud voice, saying, Cause those to draw near who have charge over the city [as executioners], every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.
    2And behold, six men came from the direction of the Upper Gate, which faces north, every man with his battle-ax in his hand; and one man among them was clothed in linen, with a writer’s ink bottle at his side. And they went in and stood beside the bronze altar.

    3And the glory of the God of Israel [the Shekinah, cloud] had gone up from the cherubim upon which it had rested to [stand above] the threshold of the [Lord’s] house. And [the Lord] called to the man clothed with linen, who had the writer’s ink bottle at his side.

    4And the Lord said to him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in the midst of it.

    5And to the others He said in my hearing, Follow [the man with the ink bottle] through the city and smite; let not your eye spare, neither have any pity.

    6Slay outright the elderly, the young man and the virgin, the infant and the women; but do not touch or go near anyone on whom is the mark. Begin at My sanctuary. So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple [who did not have the Lord’s mark on their foreheads].

    7And He said to [the executioners], Defile the temple and fill its courts with the slain. Go forth! And they went forth and slew in the city.

    8And while they were slaying them and I was left, I fell upon my face and cried, Ah, Lord God! Will You destroy all that is left of Israel in Your pouring out of Your wrath and indignation upon Jerusalem?

    9Then said He to me, The iniquity and guilt of the house of Israel and Judah are exceedingly great; the land is full of blood and the city full of injustice and perverseness; for they say, The Lord has forsaken the land; the Lord does not see [what we are doing].

    10And as for Me, My eye will not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their wicked doings upon their own heads.

    11And behold, the man clothed in linen, who had the ink bottle at his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as You have commanded me.

    • Where are you going with this reference? It reads to me the selection of the “144,000”?

      • Hey DJ,

        Ezekiel 9 had more to do with the comment that James had made concerning the mark of the beast. I know it was off topic, but that frequently happens. I see Ezekiel 9 saying that those who regard and keep Yah’s Word, as it was given from the beginning, will be marked (sealed) by Yah as His people. While those who do not will be sealed (marked) by the serpent and will suffer the consequences. I do believe that keeping the commandments (not for salvation but out of obedience) and the testimony of Yahshua is essential and necessary, according to the Word of Yah.

        The following verse speaks to the need to turn our attention from fleshly things to the things of Yah:

        John 6:27
        American Standard Version (ASV)

        27 Work not for the food which perisheth, but for the food which abideth unto eternal life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him the Father, even God, hath sealed.

        The word you gave above is timely and needful.

        But I would like to ask you a question. I found your comment about an economic crash coming in 6 months interestring. I have believed the same for a number of years now, that in the spring of 2012 the world economy would crash. I would be interested in knowing what source you used to arrive at this, or if it is something that is from you, with a little help. I would be interested in discuusing it. Look forward to hearing from you!!!

        Be Blessed in Mahshiach

        • My prediction/assessment comes from 3 sources and a Word of Knowledge the Lord gave me back in November 2010.

          The first source was during a presentation by an financial investment firm made to a small group of investors with a minimum of 1.4M to join the strategic program/plan. They saw the world currency standard shifting from US dollar to another standard coming soon. This shift would collapse the US middle class overnight.

          A week after this presentation – this firm was meeting with the Budwisser ownership to look at farmland in Iowa. Iowa farmland value has shot up during this past year. Hmmm?

          Their strategic plan was to eliminate debt, convert cash to either gold/silver or other commodities, buy farmland capable of sustain wind energy systems (food and energy wlll be very valuable), purchase/invest in railroads (efficent transportation), buy property near rail/distribution centers and reduce all non-essential living arrangements (get light). The stragegic plan was to be in place and operational by fall of 2011, so that they could “pull the truck up to Wall Street when we are ready to get out”.

          Now, that means to pull out before the market smells something sour.

          Second, I received a copy of the Stansberry Investment. This report said everything I heard from a presentation in November. Stanberry writes: “The savings of millions will be wiped out. This disaster will change your business and your work. It will dramatically affect your savings accounts, investments, and retirement. It will change everything about your normal way of life: where you vacation… where you send you kids or grandkids to school… how and where you shop… the way you protect your family and home.” Stansberry suggest it will happen “within the next two years” (2011-2012).

          Third, watch this YouTube posting of a BBC TV interview (Sept 2011). This is an excellent, straightforward, honest assessment of the current market (“toast”) by a financial professional / trader who is confidently preparing for the crash. He says it will happen – “within 12 months”.

          Finally, I ask the Lord after learning the information at the presentation back on November, 2010. I asked Him how long will this take place? Not if, but how long with the crash/depression last? He has graciously given me a Word of Knowledge when I ask before, so I asked again. This time He pointed me to Isaiah 37:30-32.

          There are three seasons within these verses (2010-2011-2012). He also gave me more information than I asked for.

          By the way, I don’t go looking for an answer to my questions – He directed me to read these verses two days after I asked the question. When I looked on the page – not intending to study Isaiah – I read those verses and then remembered my question. Thank you LORD.

          Considering Oct is historically a bad month for Wall Street – the market could crash “tomorrow” and the world markets follow….leading to the currency change soon thereafter. Or, the euro could fold and then the markets follow, then the currency change.

          If those three sources think no later than fall 2012, then, someone with serious investments in stocks will pull the truck up well before fall and transfer assists to more secure investments – Spring 2012.

          It’s like a game of chicken – who goes first and who will wait to late?

          It is not about the markets. This is about the US Dollar as the world currency standard. There are players getting ready for that shift. The market is being played with (managed) until the currency shift is in place. When that shift happens, as Stansberry projects, it will not be safe to reside in any major US city.

          I agree with his analysis. The Lord pulled me up/out of Scottsdale AZ to a small town in Iowa 2 years ago. I did not what to move here or picked this location. He “made me” move. I am thankful He loves me so much (Psalms 40). Keep your oil lamp full. I don’t have any money to invest or own any land. I must trust Him to provide during the days ahead and to provide for my community of believers that are not prepared – think I’m nuts.

          I believe the church is about to be put to the test. Fat sheep / Lean sheep. Goats will be counted too. I believe the Tribulation period started 9/29/11, Feasts of Trumpets (warning).
          Blessings to you and your family.

          • There is an text error in the above post. The YouTube link failed to connect. You can search Youtube with this phrase – BBC Speechless As Trader Tells Truth: The Collapse Is Coming


          • hi Dj

            So what are we supposed to do with the money we have? will it convert to the new currency, or will it just be worthless and only gold will count?

            I do not see how you are applying Isaiah 37. It sounds like there is food for all 3 years.

            • I suggest you connect with Stansberryresearch.com to obtain professional financial advice (I don’t work for or with them). One approach Stansberry suggests is converting any excess cash savings (US dollars) to China currency. The other solid currency is Brazilian. Most financial planners or employer benefit people will think your nuts. Problem is – they are not informed. Food storage is critical (months) and being prepared to leave a metro area for rural or countryside is also suggested as a long term strategy. Families coming together will be very important. The church will become a place of refuge and security. Revival will break out too (see verse 31). This economic shift will test society and society will fail, the Lord is our strength and only hope. I think it all begins within the next 6 months.
              I have no money/investments to be concerned about – the Lord will provide.
              As for Isaiah 37, there is nothing for me to learn by reading the complete chapter or the account of those events. It was the specific verses He pointed me to read verses 30-32. I didn’t start at the beginning of the chapter. I just opened my bible to that page and started to read those particular verses and bang! I remembered my question and there was the answer. They point to 3 years (seasons) and then it is like reading something from Revelations: “And the remnant who has escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward. For out of Jerusalem shall go a remnant, and those who escape from Mount Zion. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this.”
              The economic collapse will lead to a new currency standard, the dollar will be almost worthless and “One World” governance will unseat US governance. In my opinion, the 7 year tribulation period started or we are at the door. I could give good examples of events and signs in the heavens that support my position. Rapture? I pray He come soon!
              But, what I know is that we are about to begin a new era of the US and world economy. From what I read and understand – this economic crisis ends with Isaiah 37:32 and that reads like Mathew 24:15-22.
              This is was not the first or last time the Lord leads me to verses to find answers to questions or for information. So, I accept and give thanks.
              Here is another example (just last month) of the Lord leading me to verses for answers. I spent days writing a prayer to say during church service – a prayer to break the yoke of oppression holding back revival/work of God within the church I attend. For days I’m focused on the words to say for this prayer. Serious prayers require serious preparation. One phrase on my heart to write is how the enemy has placed rocks and dirt in the wells (living water). The day comes for me to say this intersession prayer very quietly, while the service is underway. At the end of my prayer, I read pre-selected scripture (I John 3:8, 2 Cor 7:1, Ps 19:12-14 and others). Then, when I’m done – the Lord says, “read 2 Peter 2:17-22.” I read those verses and my jaw dropped as I was listening to the pastor speak. This pastor gives messages with a “powerful voice”. I was humbled with fear as I read the verses. I continue to pray during church service to break the yoke. There is an account of spiritual warfare, which continues, but the Lord informed me through the Word as He did with the economic question.
              I suggest you fast and pray. Fasting is a key as it humbles your – self. He honors fasting/prayer and bringing before Him scripture verses that underscore your request or need and confirm His power, mercy and grace to meet the need. Seek Him with your mind, body and spirit.

            • Mariann, I am writing a reply to James that maybe of interest to you too. It is a new comment at the bottom of all of these postings. Blessings.

          • Hi DJ,
            I’m trying to figure out what you are trying to say here. Since Isaiah 37 has nothing to do with end-time prophecy, it looks like you are pulling verses out of context (as many people do) to enhance a theory. It sounds like you were just looking for a time frame and you happened to find it in these verses.
            But that being said, I’m not sure how you can tie the American economy to bible prophecy. Sure, we know that basic food staples will be expensive in the tribulation, and the bible also states that the bankers will throw their gold and silver in the streets. After the global war, then the famines and pestillences that follow (2nd, 3rd and fourth horsemen of the Apocalypse, even gold won’t get you a sandwich. Fuel maybe. Gas and batteries will be worth a fortune. So I don’t think the bankers are going to make out any better than the rest of us.
            The only thing I can think of is that you believe in the “left behind“ scenario and you are looking for a New World Order and a new banking system that the antichrist can control, in order to force everyone to get an RFID chip implanted so they can’t buy or sell etc.
            If so, then I can understand why you are trying to relate the banking system to the tribulation time.
            Otherwise, I don’t get what you’re driving at here.
            Care to enlighten?

            • I’ll write out an outlined reply tonight – off to mid-week bible study. For now – watch the YouTube post above. He identifies in minutes what is and what is coming and this how it will change our world. Stansberry writes the same account and that matches a presentation that said “the US middle class will be crushed.”
              The third seal is worldwide – how do you get there? Crush the middle class of the world’s current largest economy. More later.

            • James, I’ll post my reply below as a new comment – maybe others will read it too. It is an important message. I am thankful you asked the question.

  17. James, thanks for clarifying Adventist doctrine for me. I had wondered as I sometimes drive past the local congregation and saw the only Bible studies on the marqee is Revelations. Now I understand the doctrinal connection…mark of the beast..and so foth. But the first commandment along with the other nine became meshed into and thus became One with Christ’s First Commandment.

    37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God
    with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

    Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

    39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Christ’s commandment fulfilled, made complete, made Alive ….the Law. Christ is the Law. And He writes himself on the hearts of those who receive Him. Christ is Sabbath..the place of Rest and of Peace.

    • The term Adventist refers to anyone who believes in the return of Jesus Christ in the near future. The Mormon (Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day saints was named because their founder, Joseph Smith originally believed that Christ would return in his lifetime. He knew that the nation of Israel needed to be reborn first and he also believed that the Jewish temple needed to be rebuilt again as well (not true), so he convinced his followers that if they were to build the temple themselves (first in Missouri, then later in Salt Lake City, that Christ would deem it to be an acceptable replacement and decide to return there instead of Jerusalem.
      Well, as we all know, the “if you build it He will come” idea proved false and they were about 200 years too soon, but they did have the right idea.
      The 7th day Adventist movement came out of the Millerite “Great Disappointment” of 1844 – another Adventist movement that was also too early. The seventh day movement simply returned the sabbath to its true day – something other protestant leaders wanted to do but found it impractical. Even the young Joseph Smith thought about using Saturday since the Mormons did not go through the Roman Empire and had no real reason to switch to Sunday, but after looking into it, Smith realized that he would not be able to get many converts if he asked his followers to revert to an old Jewish practice, since even Martin Luther hated the Jews and wanted to keep anything that smacked of Judaism out of his church.
      Just another case of man following the traditions of man rather than the word of God.
      As for the “new commandments” mentioned by Jesus, I’m certain He wasn’t suggesting that all the other ten were no longer in effect. Why else would He have kept every one of them so faithfully? So we could NOT follow them? Jesus commanded His followers to do many things. He just chiseled them into their hearts instead of in stone.
      I believe that the actual tablets of the ten commandments will soon be recovered and I believe it is God’s purpose to use them to show mankind that they are still in effect.
      Maybe then people will start taking them more seriously.

      • Hi James,

        Where you say above, “As for the “new commandments” mentioned by Jesus, I’m certain He wasn’t suggesting that all the other ten were no longer in effect. Why else would He have kept every one of them so faithfully?”

        The answer to that specific question is located within scripture itself. Yeshua kept those commandments because during His life as man on the earth, they were still in effect. So He was under the law during His life here.
        “But when the fulness of the time was come , God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,” Galatians 4:4. KJV.

        The New Covenant and Testament itself, did not take effect until Yeshua died on the cross.
        “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” Hebrews 9:16,17. KJV.

        What you are suggesting here is not new in any respects. Many Jewish believers of the time, having stepped out of Judaism into Christianity, felt the need to reverse their course in order to escape the persecution that they were experiencing from their Jewish countrymen. Paul in his epistle to the Hebrews (Pros Ebraious) exhorts them to “go on to perfection” (6:1). His appeal is based upon the superiority of Yeshua over the Judaic system, and for them to recognize that He indeed is their Messiah, and through their faith in Him, they are no longer under the bondage of the law.
        Yeshua is better than the angels, for they worship Him. He is better than Moses, for He created him. He is better than the Aaronic priesthood, for His sacrifice was once and for all of time. Yeshua is better than the law, for He mediates a better Covenant. In short, the whole of the epistle expresses that there is more to be gained in Yeshua, than to be lost in Judaism.

        Regarding Mormons, they are not even Christians. Mormonism as it relates to the Bible is a false religion.

        In respects to Sunday being “satans day” and the “mark of the beast”…. Didn’t you at one time in your life worship on Sunday?
        I don’t seem to recall any scripture within Revelation that says that you can, having once accepted that mark, somehow give it back?

        Be Blessed

        • alienated;
          I don’t agree about the commandments being eliminated. Without them, how will Christ rule the earth? There has to be rules. To the end I have just received a booklet on the subject, so I’ll have to get back to you after I’ve studied it.
          While Mormonism is based on a fictional book, they do believe in Jesus Christ and that He was the son of God etc. They simply have a different New Testament than we do.
          As for the mark of the beast, the test is not yet in effect. I believe that when it comes into effect, people will be given the info they need to make the choice. I think the actual tablets of stone will soon be revealed, bringing up the question as to whether they are still in force.
          Then you can decide for yourself if you think that disobeying a commandment might be the mark of the beast.
          Good luck with that.

          • Hi James,

            I don’t believe that the ten commandments have been eliminated either.
            However, I do believe that they were a shadow to a better and new more living Covenant that is now written in our hearts, (through the Spirit) rather than being merely script on stone, consisting of rules and regulations that were to be followed.
            Each and every blood sacrifice that was made during the whole of the Mosaic, or Sinaitic Covenant was temporary, and the veil between the man and the Holy of Holies remained intact. Whereas the singularity of Yeshua’s sacrifice was permanent and the veil was torn.
            At Sinai, the climax of the revelation of God to Moses, was the commandment to construct the Mishkan, (or Tabernacle).
            This commandment correlates directly to the redemption secured by the blood of the lamb in Egypt, and the first Pesach, (or Passover) this then led directly to the revelation of the laws of the altar. Almost 50% of the Book of Exodus is focused on the Mishkan, and the Book concludes with the Shekhinah Glory of God, being revealed at Sinai and filling the Holy of Holies. (Exodus 40:34,35.)

            The Book of Leviticus then links the previous paragraph of the Book of Exodus, with the religious practices that were to be conducted within the Mishkan itself, and therefore, it focuses upon the various forms of offerings and sacrifices, (ie; zevzchim) that were integral to being able to worship God. As this was the climax of God’s revelation at Sinai, the Mishkan became the place of revelation, and focal point of corporate worship. (Exodus 25:22.-30:36.)

            Prophetically speaking, the Mishkan was a foreshadowing, and represented the redemptive plan of God, that culminated in the revelation of Yeshua Ha-Mashiach as being appointed as the Lamb of God.(ie; seh ha-Elohim). Therefore, the Book of Leviticus is central to the Torah, and provides the basis from which we can understand the multifaceted meaning in respects to the sacrifice of Yeshua for our reconciliation with God.
            “All of the great doctrines of the New Testament, regarding Atonement, propitiation of sin, and the meaning of the cross of the Messiah, are all grounded in the sacrificial system that is revealed in the Mishkan.”

            The word or act of “sacrifice” in English, is more closely associated with an act of “self deprivation”, or to give up something of value, for something of an actual, (or perceived) greater value.
            However in the Torah, the concept of sacrifice has more to do with making an offering to God, as a means to be able to draw closer to Him. These sacrifices were intended to express gratitude and joy, while at the same time, temporarily remove the obstacles that were caused by mans defilement and sin.
            In actuality, the most common Hebrew word that is utilized to describe sacrifice within the Torah, is the word “korban”, which comes from the root “karov”, meaning to “come close”, or to “draw near”. In the Mishkan, “korbanot” consisted of the various ritualized acts that were used for the worshipper to draw near to God.

            Nevertheless, my position is that the whole point of the Torah was, “that to obey, is better than having to sacrifice.” And that since the Laws were impossible for man to execute with perfection, it was then necessary for God to provide that perfection in our stead in the form of the Messiah. The Torah and the commandments is simply a foreshadowing of the better New Covenant that Yeshua in His grace performed on our behalf. To continue to follow the Torah, (or the letter of the Law) is in essence to deny Yeshua’s sacrifice. He by the shedding of His blood, is the only way to “draw near” to God.

            The sacrifice of Yeshua as the “Kohen Gadol”, (High Priest) of the “new and better” Covenant, was a gift to us from God for those that place their trust in His Son. The cross itself, literally represents the “kapporet” (mercy seat) of the New Covenant, for it was on that cross that He shed His blood for our everlasting reconciliation to God. It is only because of the korban of Yeshua, that we can all draw near to God. He is the way, the truth and the life.

            When His sacrifice was complete and Yeshua did die, the veil of the Temple, the “parochet” that separated the Holy of Holies from the Holy place, was rent asunder, thereby now granting access to the “Throne of Grace”. It is only because of the High Priestly work of Yeshua that this is now possible. Neither the Levitical, or any other mediators for that matter are necessary, and all that now trust fully in Yeshua as their Lord and Savior are called “spiritual kohanim”.
            When Yeshua spoke the words, “It is finished.” (John 19:30) there were far reaching implications to that statement that many haven’t taken fully into consideration. Followers of Yeshua have an altar of grace in which to kneel before, where those who attempt to follow that of the older system, are unable to partake in.

            In regards to Mormonism, Mormons’ believe that God the Father was once just an ordinary man like you and I, but that He attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort. They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s.” Mormons believe that there are different levels or kingdoms in the afterlife: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness. Where mankind will end up depends on what they believe and do in this life. In contrast, the Bible tells us that after death, we go to heaven or hell based on whether or not we had faith in Yeshua as our Lord and Savior.
            Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus’ incarnation was the result of a physical relationship between God the Father and Mary. Mormons believe Jesus is a god, but that any human can also become a god. (Though now a teaching that is abandoned by modern Mormon leaders, Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of Yeshua.) Mormonism teaches that salvation can be earned by a combination of faith and good works. As well within the religion, the elder leaders of any particular congregation can excommunicate a member, where if that happens, not only is the member no longer welcome or able to attend any service, they have also now lost their salvation.

            As I said above, Mormonism as it relates to the Bible is a false religion.

            Be Blessed

            • Let me clarify my stance on the ten commandments a bit.
              Yes, we are saved by grace alone – having the testimony of Jesus Christ.
              We now have the commandments burned onto our hearts. We obey them to please God because we love Him. Jesus even proclaimed, “If you love me, keep my commandments.” He also said to break one is to break them all, so why do so many people follow the traditions of man (Romans, to be accurate) rather than the commandments of God? And be careful if your response is, “because God doesn’t care what day we worship on” because you will be admitting that you in fact DO NOT love Jesus.
              So perhaps the mark of the beast will be a test of our love, not our obedience. And Sunday worship would be the perfect test.
              We are told in rev12 about the true church:
              Rev 12:17
              And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
              From this we see that the true church – the one that Jesus will marry when He returns keeps the commandments(works) as well as having the testimony of Jesus Christ (Grace).

              Later in rev14 we read about the mark and the seven plagues:
              Rev 14:9
              And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

              Rev 14:10
              The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

              Rev 14:11
              And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

              Rev 14:12
              Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

              Here it is obvious that those saints who keep the commandments do not suffer the plagues as do those who have the mark. It can be concluded then that the mark is the breaking of a commandment.

              If you remember back to Daniel, he says that the blasphemous little horn of the beast (the vatican) thinks to change laws and times. The law cannot be a simple law, like parking laws, but God’s law. And the only commandment that refers to a time is the sabbath commandment. The clues are clear.

              So what will following the commandments buy us?
              Besides not having to suffer the 7 last plagues we will receive a higher place in the kingdom of God.
              We all know about Judgement Day. But how will we be judged? If there are no more laws, then we have nothing to be judged on.
              According to rev20:
              Rev 20:12
              And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

              This idea is repeated in rev22:
              “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to everyone ACCORDING TO HIS WORK.” (Revelation 22:12)

              And Paul tells the Corinthians:
              “… and each one will receive His own reward ACCORDING TO HIS OWN LABOR.” (1 Corinthians 3:8)

              “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things DONE IN THE BODY, according to what He has done, whether good or bad.” (2 Corinthians 5:10)

              So judgement will not be pass/fail. I guess it depends on how you want to spend your eternity. You can chose for yourself if you want to be greater or lesser in the Kingdom of Heaven.

              May God bless…

              • Hi James,
                Thanks for your response.

                I was going to reply to you regarding your beliefs, however, after reading your current back and forth with Don (on 5th. Seal Martyrdom and Sorrow which is more or less regarding the same topic), I questioned as to what would be the point?

                In my opinion, much of what you state as fact, appears to be nothing less than an acrobatic “jumping to conclusions” without the necessary or sufficient Biblical foundation to do so. It appears to me to be simply speculation.

                You are fully within your rights to believe what you wish to believe. Whether I happen to agree, (or instead have a chuckle here and there), is not the point. What is the point however, is that we must remember Whose Voice or Word it is that we are all trying to interpret here. And with that understanding fully comprehended, I wonder if you have ever considered the following?

                Those that have accepted Yeshua as their Savior and confess with their mouth that He is Lord, receive the Holy Spirit which then assists us in understanding Gods Word.
                Would you agree with that statement?

                If so, wouldn’t it logically make sense then, that with God wishing for His children to understand His Word, He would have the “majority”, rather than the minority of His children, receive that understanding?
                Would it not be God’s will for the “majority” of the bride that He has chosen to be betrothed to His Son, to understand?
                Would not that also be supported and fall into the same category as what is written as “Two or more witnesses”?

                Why is it then I wonder, that you appear to be the only one that I have seen here so far, that holds this belief?

                Scripture clearly states, (which I know has been quoted for you before)…..”One man esteemeth one day above another : another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;” Romans 14:5,6a. KJV.

                Also it’s funny how in clarifying to the Jewish and Gentile believers in Rome what it is exactly that fulfills the law within the new and better covenant, that Paul also stated earlier within that same epistle.
                “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery , Thou shalt not kill , Thou shalt not steal , Thou shalt not bear false witness , Thou shalt not covet ; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” Romans 13:8-10 KJV.

                Huh,…. That lines up exactly with what Yeshua said Himself within John 13:34. Imagine that?

                Oh and by the way, I love Yeshua. Contrary to what you may say above, me believing in what you happen to believe is not associated whatsoever with my personal love of the Lord.

                Be Blessed

                • I totally agree that if you have accepted Jesus as your saviour and repented of your sins you will be saved. The question is do we still follow the commandments. Paul recites several of them in your verses and I don’t believe he is telling his followers to kill and commit adultery etc. Just the opposite in fact. But just to be sure I Googled the verse in Romans and went to a bible study site to learn more about it. Here is a short excerpt from what I found:

                  Ten Commandments, Sabbath or Ceremonial Law?
                  Romans 14:5
                  As with Colossians 2:16 and Galatians 4:9-10, there are also those who believe that Romans 14:5 refers to the Sabbath of the Lord. Could this be true or is this also just another misunderstanding as are the other two passages?

                  Colossians 2:16, Galatians 4:9-10 and Romans 14:5 are in fact all related and all very misunderstood as so often seems to be the case when it comes to God’s Moral law, His Sabbath and the temporary ceremonial law which pointed to Christ. Five very respected Bible Commentaries have also been chosen to cover Romans 14:5 as they give very thorough and professional explanations on this verse.

                  The scripture in contention is Romans 14:5 but other verses are also given so the context of the passage can be seen. Parenthesis are added.

                  Romans 14:1-6, “Him that is weak in the faith receive you, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God has received him. 4 Who are you that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yes, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one [feast] day above another: another esteemeth every [feast] day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.”

                  To begin with, it must be admitted that the word “Sabbath” is not found in the entire chapter. People assume Paul is talking about the Sabbath. But is he really? The chapter begins, “Him that is weak in the faith receive you, but not to doubtful disputations.” Romans 14:1. The NKJV reads, “disputes over doubtful things.” This chapter concerns “doubtful things” and is not a discussion of the Ten Commandments. God’s “Big Ten” are not “doubtful,” but exceedingly dear and written personally with the finger of God on two tables of stone.

                  The Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments that defines what sin is and the Commandments of God are never spoken of flippantly such as referring to the fourth Commandment as a day. It is always called “the Sabbath” or “Sabbath day” but it is never referred to superficially as just a day. Also very significant is that the word “alike” in verse 5 does not exist in the Greek and is an added word, which tends to convey an idea which the apostle never designed or intended.

                  It becomes clear from Romans 14 and 15 chapters, that many misunderstandings existed between Jewish and Gentile Christians in relation to certain customs which were sacredly observed by one but disregarded by the other. The main subject of dispute was concerning meats and days. The converted Jew retaining respect for the Law of Moses abstained from certain meats and observed ceremonial days while the converted Gentile understood that Christianity put him under no such obligation or regard to ceremonial points. It also appears that mutual and heartless judgments existed among them and that brotherly love and reciprocal tolerance did not always prevail. Paul exhorts that in such things no longer essential to Christianity, that even though both parties had a different way of thinking they might and probably do still have an honest and serious regard for God. Paul further explains they should not therefore let different sentiments hinder Christian fellowship and love, but they should mutually refrain and withhold and make allowance for each other and especially not carry their Gospel liberty so far as to prejudice a weak brother or a Jewish Christian.

                  So why was I not surprised to discover this? Every single time someone has given me a verse that seems to say the sabbath is to be ignored, it turns out that the writer (usually Paul) was actually talking about something else – usually the Sabbath festivals that have been fulfilled by Christ. For example, we no longer have to celebrate Passover and sacrifice a lamb because Jesus was our sacrificial lamb.
                  I just received a 159 page book: “The New Covenant: Does it abolish God’s laws?” When I’m done reading it I’ll let you know what the verdict is. Maybe I’m wrong.

                  Now in regards to your claim that, “If so, wouldn’t it logically make sense then, that with God wishing for His children to understand His Word, He would have the “majority”, rather than the minority of His children, receive that understanding?”

                  First of all, God doesn’t care about majorities or minorities. He is only concerned with the truth.
                  If the majority is in error, then they must all be corrected. THAT is logical.
                  Here are some more clues to consider:
                  The whore of Babylon – the apostate Catholic church, will be destroyed while the angels rejoice. This is by far the largest Catholic church in the world with over 1.3 billion members. So right off the bat, the majority is apostate.
                  Then add the harlot daughters – protestant churches with pagan practices (including Sunday worship and Christmas and Easter services) and you’ve got a super-majority.
                  That sounds like the whole (Christian) world will follow the beast, doesn’t it?
                  And if you read rev12, it indicates that the true church (the woman clothed in the sun) is persecuted by Satan and by our times there will only be a “remnant of her seed.” That certainly does not sound like a majority to me.
                  Nope, I’ll take the minority on this one.

                  Good luck being in the majority though… maybe there will be comfort in numbers…

                • Don & Alien (with love of course),

                  The following scripture is Isaiah 66. The context is the time of the regathering of the exiles of Yisrael and the gathering of the Gentiles from the nations. It also speaks of the time of the 144,000. There are a few verses I would like your commentary on (or anyone else’s commentary you would like to use). The verses are;

                  verse 2 (especially the comment about those who reveres His commands and how that ties into verse 3),

                  verse 17 (pretty much all of it)

                  verse 23 (pretty much all of it).

                  Look forward to your responses!!!!!

                  Isaiah 66

                  1THUS SAYS the Lord: Heaven is My throne, and the earth is My footstool. What kind of house would you build for Me? And what kind can be My resting-place?

                  2For all these things My hand has made, and so all these things have come into being [by and for Me], says the Lord. But this is the man to whom I will look and have regard: he who is humble and of a broken or wounded spirit, and who trembles at My word and reveres My commands.

                  3[The acts of the hypocrite’s worship are as abominable to God as if they were offered to idols.] He who kills an ox [then] will be as guilty as if he slew and sacrificed a man; he who sacrifices a lamb or a kid, as if he broke a dog’s neck and sacrificed him; he who offers a cereal offering, as if he offered swine’s blood; he who burns incense [to God], as if he blessed an idol. [Such people] have chosen their own ways, and they delight in their abominations;

                  4So I also will choose their delusions and mockings, their calamities and afflictions, and I will bring their fears upon them–because when I called, no one answered; when I spoke, they did not listen or obey. But they did what was evil in My sight and chose that in which I did not delight.

                  5Hear the word of the Lord, you who tremble at His word: Your brethren who hate you, who cast you out for My name’s sake, have said, Let the Lord be glorified, that we may see your joy! But it is they who shall be put to shame.

                  6[Hark!] An uproar from the city! A voice from the temple! The voice of the Lord, rendering recompense to His enemies!

                  7Before [Zion] travailed, she gave birth; before her pain came upon her, she was delivered of a male child.

                  8Who has heard of such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land [a]be born in one day? Or shall a nation be brought forth in a moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor, she brought forth her children.

                  9Shall I bring to the [moment of] birth and not cause to bring forth? says the Lord. Shall I Who causes to bring forth shut the womb? says your God.

                  10Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; rejoice for joy with her, all you who mourn over her,

                  11That you may nurse and be satisfied from her consoling breasts, that you may drink deeply and be delighted with the abundance and brightness of her glory.

                  12For thus says the Lord: Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the nations like an overflowing stream; then you will be nursed, you will be carried on her hip and trotted [lovingly bounced up and down] on her [God’s maternal] knees.

                  13As one whom his mother comforts, so will I comfort you; you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

                  14When you see this, your heart shall rejoice; your bones shall flourish like green and tender grass. And the [powerful] hand of the Lord shall be revealed and known to be with His servants, but His indignation [shown] to be against His enemies.

                  15For behold, the Lord will come in fire, and His chariots will be like the stormy wind, to render His anger with fierceness, and His rebuke with flames of fire.

                  16For by fire and by His sword will the Lord execute judgment upon all flesh, and the slain of the Lord will be many.

                  17Those who [attempt to] sanctify themselves and cleanse themselves to enter [and sacrifice to idols] in the gardens, following after [b]one in the midst, eating hog’s flesh and the abomination [creeping things] and the [mouse–their works and their thoughts] shall come to an end together, says the Lord.

                  18For I know their works and their thoughts. And the time is coming when I will gather all nations and tongues, and they will come and see My glory.

                  19And I will set up a [miraculous] sign among them, and from them I will send survivors to the nations–to Tarshish, Pul (Put), and Lud, who draw the bow, to Tubal and Javan, to the isles and coastlands afar off that have not heard of My fame nor seen My glory. And they will declare and proclaim My glory among the nations.

                  20And they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as an offering to the Lord–upon horses and in chariots and in litters and upon mules and upon camels–to My holy mountain Jerusalem, says the Lord, just as the children of Israel bring their cereal offering in a clean vessel to the house of the Lord.

                  21And I will also take some of them for priests and for Levites, says the Lord.

                  22For as the new [c]heavens and the new earth which I make shall remain before Me, says the Lord, so shall your offspring and your name remain.

                  23And it shall be that from one New Moon to another New Moon and from one Sabbath to another Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me, says the Lord.

                  24And they shall go forth and gaze upon the dead bodies of the [rebellious] men who have stepped over against Me; for their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all mankind.

                  Be Blessed in Mahshiach

  18. This topic (Leviathan’s home) sure did get off onto a couple interesting rabbit trails? Leviathan is a demonic spirit – it is known as Pride. My reply is to get this back to the demon spirit clearly defined in scripture. We only have a couple demonic spirits so clearly defined and described for us. This one is very important.
    The purpose of this spirit (assigned by Satan) is to kill, steal and destroy. Leviathan works within the “sea of life”. He has a few associates (demonic spirits) that partner in the work of destruction: Lust, Envy, and Jealousy. My fellow believers – we are at war with these spirits. God is telling us in Job that this one is very strong and powerful (scope and size). But, he is not alone! Think of this as an army or an international bank, or global corporation. Leviathan is the CEO and Satan is the Chairman of the Board. They do have a team (spirits of envy, lust, etc.) doing the work in the field or on the seas.
    As for the Revelations and “End Times” application – look for an economic crash to occur within the next 6 months. This will bring two outcomes: Centralized power/control over world commerce and breaking pride on the back of many souls. If you live for retirement, for your home/pleasures, for the weekend at the beach, mountains, or anything that puts the Lord Jesus Christ second – your priorities are about to be changed. It will be a very painful change. Breaking a stronghold over one’s life is very painful. Ask an alcoholic or drug addict. Now consider your addiction to “stuff” or pleasures. Here is a prophetic word the Lord gave me about 2 months ago. The sea of life is about to be tousled and the waves will crash upon the shores (Zeph 2:3-7). What is the opposite of Pride? Humility. “Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, Who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden in the day of the LORD’s anger” (Zep 2:3).
    The reason for this braking Leviathan that is about to take place is to break Leviathan’s control over many lives and to release a new work of God. But there will be a price when this takes place/occurs. The price will be the re-prioritization of daily living and economic/security plans for many “Christians” and the unbeliever will be one step closer to taking the Mark of the Beast.

    • Hey DJ,

      I appreciate your sharing with us about your insight concerning the coming financial collapse. A lot of what I am hearing is saying a lot the same as what you have heard. In 2007 I was reading information regarding a major financial collapse coming in the near future. What I was reading was from a believer and what he was saying resonated in me. I started changing paper assets into tangible assets. I closed out annuities, IRA’s, and anything associated with the stock market. It was nerve racking and I got a lot of push back from the family. I am not a wealthy person in physical terms. I am middle, middle class. In late Sept early Oct when the crash came I was extremely thankful for the positions I had taken. Some were somewhat premature, but I am thankful now for the decision that I made. I am sure you know about the how the dates of the Fall Feasts of Yisrael played into the crash, but I will go ahead and interject this small paragraph which concisely explains what happened in Sept and Oct of 2008:

      “On September 29, the great stock market meltdown of 777 points took place. This day was also the biblical feast of Yom Teruah the “Trump”. . The next biblical holiday, Yom Kippur, or the Day of Atonement, takes place ten days after Yom Teruah; this ten-day gap between the two holidays is called the “Days of Awe.” During the “Days of Awe,” the world markets began to collapse until, on Yom Kippur, October 9, the market fell 679 points for the third greatest one-day crash. The next biblical holiday, the Feast of Tabernacles, fell on October 15. On this day, the stock market fell 737 points for its second-greatest one-day fall. On these three biblical holidays, the market dropped a total of 2,193 points! To this day, the World economy has not recovered……”

      This is a portion of an article which gives a basic and quick summary of what happened, at least from a biblical view. There is too much here to be a coincidence. But then in the Hebraic language there is no word for the concept of coincidence. Coincidence is basically not a kosher word. I printed out a chart of the Dow Jones Industrial Average for the year 2008 and then superimposed the dates of the Fall Feasts for 2008. It is very sobering to look at. When they say a picture is worth a thousand words, in this case it is true. You come away with a different understanding of what happened on those days when you see the results rather than just hearing about it. I would encourage everyone to take the time to go online and view it. You will begin to understand a lot better what is actually going on here.

      I had been praying about all of this and couldn’t shake it from my thinking. It came to me to see if the Feast days of Yisrael had any connection with previous financial crashes in our past. I found that 1929 (the great depression) but also 1987 were considered two of the worst economic downturns in our economic history. I downloaded a Hebraic calendar converter which matches specific days on our solar calendar with the same day on the lunar calendar that Yisrael used for the Feast days. I again superimposed the Fall Feast days on the graph which again I found startling, but didn’t quite understand what it meant. Yom Kippur was the defining day for the years 1929 and 1987, while all three Fall Feasts days in 2008 were significant. I knew there was a connection, but couldn’t quite figure out what it was trying to say.

      In 1929 Yom Kippur fell on Oct 14 while in 1987 it fell on Oct 2. On the graph for each date, Yom Kippur fell right at the BEGFINNING of the downturn for both years, pretty much to the exact day. As I said before, trying to visualize this is difficult, while seeing it on a graph is startling. It is worth the effort. In 2008 Yom Kippur was at the BOTTOM of the “initial” crash. You would have to see a graph to understand what that means. As you read above in the article, all three Fall Feast days were significant, but especially Yom Teruah and Yom Kippur, as least as seen on the graph.

      After praying about all of this and meditating on it for a while, this was what I understood all of this to mean. Yom Kippur is the day when the book of life is sealed. Basically a point of no return for believer’s. Yom Teruah on the other hand corresponds to the catching away when the book of life is closed but not yet sealed until Yom Kippur. At least that is my understanding of it. The Fall Feasts, for the most part representing a time of Judgment. I came to see 1929 and 1987 as WARNINGS of Judgment because of Yom Kippur being BEFORE the crash in both years, giving time to heed the warnings. On the other hand, in 2008 Yom Kippur came AFTER the crash signifying the beginning of the Judgment.

      But why this Judgment in our economy? Was it just due to immorality or just basic sinful living that is so rampant in this country? I started looking at versus in the Tanakh that were related to financial matters. Yah called unjust weights and balances an abomination. Since many times the punishment (Judgment) fits the crime (sin), I started looking at our economic system as a whole and found something interesting. Most will agree that the passing of the Federal Reserve Act, even to secular economist, put a nail in the coffin of our future economy. Woodrow Wilson, on Dec 23, 1913 passed the Federal Reserve Act with few politicians in town due to the Christmas holidays. We had corrupted and defiled our economy (our weights and measures) handing control over to a cartel of international bankers. Based on everything else I had found, I entered Dec 23, 1913 into the Hebraic calendar converter. Dec 23, of 1913 was the first day of Chanukah for that year. This Holy Day of Yisrael commemorates the cleansing and purifying of the Temple in Jerusalem during the time of the Maccabbees, after Antiochs Epiphanes defiled the temple by slaughtering a pig on the alter.

      But what does Chanukah have to do with our economy? In like manner, this country corrupted and defiled our economic system by approving and making law the Federal Reserve Act. Some 16 years later, toward the end of the Roaring 20’s, in 1929 this country felt and endured the Great Depression. I believe Yah was reaching out to His people to cleanse what had been defiled in our economic system. The warning was not heeded. In 1987 the same, but somewhat less severe. Needless to say that was not heeded either. In 2008, the Judgment began. We are still in the initial part of this with the worst yet to come. I came to understand in 2008 that we don’t recover from this. The end of this Judgment I believe will take us to the third horse of the apocalypse:

      Revelation 6:5-6 5And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
      6And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

      In our modern terms this is called hyper-inflation and it is racing towards us. But why should this necessarily happen in the Spring of 2012? I know there is a lot of controversy concerning the timing of the Time of Jacob’s Trouble. There are a lot of factors that go into this, but I believe that we entered into this first 3 ½ year period in Oct of 2008, with the last 3 ½ year period beginning in the Spring of 2012. I put this down just to show how I came up with the timing of things. I hold to the timing of this loosely and I am not saying this categorically. It is just what I believe. Outside of the timing of this, I hold fast to the rest of what I have written here.

      I am sure that many will find this ridiculous, but that is okay. I have found that after 3 years, more people now are saying we are heading more quickly than ever towards a worldwide melt down which will make 2008 look like nothing.

      Sorry for the length of this. I tried to, as completely as possible, explain myself.
      Be Blessed

  19. it is written several places throughout the torah not to worship anythin other than YHWH in the heavens below or the earth underneath or in the sea which is under the earth. if satan fell from heaven to earth like a bolt of lightning, it would make sense that his last stand would be in the sea. spiritually the order is heavens-earth-sea.

  20. Here James,

    Below is my reply from the above notification.


    I will address what you have posted above regarding the copied commentary, however I have a question for you first.

    “When you personally read the Word of God, have you ever taken into consideration the speech patterns that were prevalent at the time?” The reason that I ask this is because you continue to make reference to Revelation 12:17 to support your position.

    “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” KJV.

    (I will not bother to comment at this time, whether this woman is referring to the church, or instead to Israel, which happens to be my personal belief. I am only asking you to just pay particular attention to how the speech patterns were written.)

    You also utilize Revelation 14:12 where the angel states to John;
    “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”

    The specific question regarding speech patterns of the day is this.
    “Is what is being expressed really two different aspects consisting of the commandments of God, “AND ALSO” the testimony or faith of Yeshua, or, could it be that within the speech patterns of the day it is simply an elaboration, (or an embellishment of specificity) regarding an aspect of singularity? In other words, the testimony or faith in Yeshua are “one in the same” with the commandments of God.
    The reason that I make this proposal to you, is simply because this same pattern is consistent throughout New Testament scripture.
    For just one example out of many for this, lets look at Colossians 2:2.
    “That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;” KJV.

    Notice above that after “the mystery of God” that “and of the Father” is added. This does not mean that God and the Father are two different or separate entities. It is rather, an elaboration to the previous narrative. Is it not possible that this is also the case within the verses you utilize to support your position? That the testimony or faith in Yeshua are one in the same with the commandments of God.

    Now regarding the commentary that you copied and pasted.
    Though the author makes reference to the fact that the word “sabbath” doesn’t even appear once within the whole of the book of Romans, we can conclude by utilizing the fulness of scripture, that Paul does indeed utilize the word within other epistles regarding the same topic.

    Colossians 2:16 reads;

    “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:”

    The word that was translated above into English as “holyday” is the Greek, “ἑορτή” transliterated as “heortē” (Strong’s 1859).
    Here Paul would have been referring to any of the annual feast days. The word that was translated as “sabbath” is the Greek, “σάββατον” transliterated as “sabbaton” (Strong’s 4521). The primary definition of the word sabbaton is simply and clearly defined as “the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work.”
    Consequently then what Paul is saying here, inspired by the Holy Spirit within the Word of God, is; “Let no one judge you in what you happen to eat or happen to drink, or in any particular feast day, or season of a new moon, or even of the sabbath day, which were merely a shadow of what we now have in the Lord; For the body is in Christ. Stay rooted and built up in Him and Him alone. (re; all of the previous verses of chapter 2 up to verse 16 for the context of verse 16.) Emphasis and vernacular translation mine.
    I wonder why Paul didn’t bother to state here, while certainly having the opportunity to do so, that we as believers should ensure that we don’t ever “worship God on a Sunday”? That this would be blasphemy in the eye’s of God if we do? That it will be considered to be the “mark of the beast” in the future! Or was that simply an oversight of the Spirit Himself that this is not mentioned once, by any author, in the whole of scripture?
    It is my opinion that he would have, if there was any validity to what you believe.

    Again in Galatians 4 Paul is speaking to the Jews that had become believers in Yeshua as their Messiah, yet felt it necessary to unfortunately, fall back into their old ways by following the law. That is painfully clear within the narrative. In verses 9 and 10 Paul chastises them for doing that by saying;
    “But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.” KJV.

    Paul is basically flabbergasted. He then questions as to whether all of the work that he has put in to guide them in the faith was simply a waste of time. “I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.” (verse 11).

    He then states in verses 21 to 31;
    “Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.” KJV.

    You in choosing to hold your position are choosing to be a partaker with Ishmael, being born after the flesh, rather than that of Isaac who was born of promise. We if we choose Yeshua only, are free from the law and are instead in the Spirit.
    Is this what you are attempting to teach others to follow? To deny Yeshua, and to be partakers with Ishmael? Buy following the law, (all 613 of them) that is exactly what you are preaching. And with that said, the rest of the commentary that you posted is in my opinion, simply the blind leading the blind.

    There is nothing within scripture that could be remotely construed by somebody that is led by the Spirit, as to be saying that Sunday will be the mark of the beast. The moral aspects of the Ten Commandments are still intact, but are now written in our hearts through the Spirit, which has a far greater impact in our lives than them being simply rules and regulations to follow.
    We are now free to fulfill these commandments by loving all through the Spirit, as Yeshua loves us.

    If it makes you feel warm and fuzzy though and you wish to continue holding to Sunday as being the mark, well….. we all know that you can lead a horse to water……. Though it is strange to me how you would prefer to choose bondage over freedom and Spirit? Or for that matter, over Yeshua whose yoke is light?

    Be Blessed

  21. James and Marianne – and anyone else interested in the Isaiah reference, Leviathan and end times posted above – here is my understanding of a Word of Knowledge and the scripture references I posted along with my conclusions. It is another long post.

    I understand your comment that Isaiah 37 – that chapter is not written as an end-time prophecy (say like Daniel or Joel). I am not reading this scripture as a seminarian/theologian or researcher of scripture in historical context. What the Lord does with me – when I ask – He gives me “a Word of Knowledge” from the Word.

    Two years ago I would have stated exactly what you did in your reply. I hold a MS degree, attended seminary graduate school and have published research on business topics- full strategic thinking, research and logic. For 30 years I was thinking/working within the seminary/theology study/approach to scriptures.

    If we believe “old/young men will have dreams/visions” – then please consider what I am writing is true. When He said, “my sheep hear my voice” – it is laterally true. This is also known as the gift of prophecy and also presented as “a word of knowledge” gift (1 Corinthians 12:8).

    In the past 16 months, when I ask the Lord a question or seek more information on a matter of prayer, He either: speaks audibly with a little voice in my head or point me to verses which contain the answer. Some say – “be careful about listing to voices in your head” or “that maybe contrived” or “wishful thinking” or “self-talk” or maybe it is “demons talking to you”. When I’m directed to the Word – the same kind of reactions are shared with me or folks think I’m nuts.

    Here is a great example and it ties to this pride issue and the end-times.

    After I received a clear vision in December, I followed up with a question to our Lord: “How do I proceed with the vision?” It required me to contact and talk with someone that I no longer want to talk with – that relationship was over and they live 1,300 miles away.

    Two days later as I was walking to the garage – minding my own business – when He said “my faith compels me”. I said, okay I’ll write a note with that introduction line. After I wrote a short note that included the vision and sent it, I then asked the Lord another question; “How long until this vision is fulfilled?” We are in the last days – it can’t be too long?

    Two days later, the Lord pointed me to Habakkuk chapter 2:1-4 for the
    answer. Amazing – please read it.

    I have not read Habakkuk in 30 years. I understood exactly and waited. The vision came to pass in April.

    Then, while seated in church one week before I was to travel and take time out to see this person (an uncomfortable meeting during a great vacation), the Lord directed me to a chapter in Ezekiel without me asking any question. He was preparing me for the uncomfortable conversation.

    This chapter in Ezekiel told me more – why I received the vision (purpose) and my apporach to talk with this particular person.

    You see, there were several words of knowledge connecting together for this meeting/conversation.

    This is one wild example of how the Lord “communicates” with me. I am amazed, thankful for this blessing. It carries responsibly too.

    IF I screw up the message, act in self-interest, or communicate outside of loving heart (motivation) then the Lord will not trust me with this gift or the responsibility and He will not be “pleased”. Not a good thing to be out of sorts with the Lord.

    So, you can take what I say as it is, 50/50 or not at all. I’ve never posted any of this until now.

    Isaiah 37 tells me that the crash is coming soon. The crash is part of the “plan” to bring world currency into a new arrangement. When He pointed me to Isaiah 37, I know the US dollar will crash while my friends and family sleep. It will be 1929 crash x 3 and a 1930’s depression x 3. Our debt is much greater, our wealth and investments are greater and our risk is greater today than back in the day. The YouTube post, Stansberry and the presentation I heard in Nov 2010 say the same thing!

    The Lord gave me a few “words of knowledge” to fill in the repent and be saved piece of the crash and end times outline. I’m ready and I share it with you.

    The purpose of the vision given to me was to share it with this particular person that I care for but no longer talk with as the ties were broken. This vision was about his successful resturant business.

    The effects of the economic crash will impact his business and family. When the crash happens and he loses his restaurant business and he will then remember what I told him (as I told him the Lord gave me).

    Read all of Habakkuk 2. It applies to people full of pride. When the crash happens, he and his family and co-workers will call upon the Lord and be saved. Some will repent and other will come to accept Him for the first time. This is the revival and it will cross the US.

    Isaiah 37:30-32 tells me that the economic crash/ depression will last 3 years (seasons). Crash happens spring 2012 + 3 = 2015. Those 3 years lead up to the Great Tribulation. That does match up with the Blood Moons of 2015. The “Blood Moons” and solar eclipses on Hebrew Feasts days in 2015 tell me the Great Day of the Lord begins September 2015.

    These verses in Isaiah also tell me there will be a revival during this time, (vs. 31) “And the remnant who have escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward”.

    One more Word of Knowledge – while you’re reading this post. Might as well give it all. Maybe this is why I saw the Leviathan post??

    I fasted/prayed for 3 days back in August asking the Lord for a way forward with my calling/ministry. Two days later, He pointed me to Joel 2: 22-24. Just like Isaiah 37 and Habakkuk 2, I did not go looking for these verses and I’ve never studied Joel before.

    These verses in Joel tell me: wheat is on the threshing floor – gathered the harvest but it is on the floor not in the barns. Now, please think about that and the next step in the process of a wheat harvest. Also, how can it be – early (spring) and later (fall) rains in the first month? October is the first month of the Hebrew agriculture calendar. Rains are blessings. New oil and new wine – a new work of the Spirit – revival will break forth?

    We know in Revelations that Leviathan is to be broken in the later days.

    So, considering all of the above (this started with Leviathan as the spirit of pride), I expect a back breaking experience across the US and parts of the econmic world.

    Pride (Leviathan) will be broken for the sake of souls saved and believers returning to Jesus as Savior and Lord. The Lord will work through all things for His purpose and His glory.

    Keep your oil lamp full and stay in the Word, put on the full armor. Get ready for a few years of separating the fat sheep from the lean sheep, goats too.

    If I don’t get this correct – the Lord will not be pleased. I accept by faith what I write as given from Him. Time will tell.

    Please note – there was no rapture prediction 😉

    Psalms 40

    • Hi DJ,
      Thanks for the additional info, but I’m still a bit corn fused. I agree that there may be a financial collapse in the US and elsewhere, but I don’t see it as biblical. Do you have any scripture that indicates this? A seal, a trumpet, a vial? After all, if the tribulation is about to begin, it would be nice to confirm it from the bible.
      I wonder if there were preachers in the 1930’s that were claiming they were in the tribulation back then. It could repeat in the near future. I also wonder if bible scholars in other countries are looking to the US for prophetic fulfilment, or if they think the prophesy refers to their own countries, or if only US scholars have come up with this idea.
      Well, enough wondering for now.
      Bless, all.

    • hi DJ

      I understand the biblical nature of the 3rd seal, famine, but Isaiah does not indicate a famine, but a harvest.

      Also, the crash does seem imminent, but there is no solution offered to those who need to survive it.

      Prayer is a good start, but what do people do for food for 3 years?

      What I am asking for is a practical solution. Many will starve and die in the first month. So how does god expect us to survive 3 years without food or money?

  22. Hi alienated,
    Thanks for the detailed reply.
    You made an interesting statement: Is it not possible that this is also the case within the verses you utilize to support your position? That the testimony or faith in Yeshua are one in the same with the commandments of God. Is it not possible that this is also the case within the verses you utilize to support your position? That the testimony or faith in Yeshua are one in the same with the commandments of God.

    I tend to believe this deeply. The testimony of Jesus includes His commandments, which He showed by keeping them faithfully, as a demonstration as to what we should aspire to, not to cancel them.
    So you must agree that the saints who do not have the plagues (mark) do keep the testimony of Jesus which includes the commandments. So we can conclude that the mark is the breaking of a commandment, not using an RFID chip to buy groceries, gas, bibles etc.

    As for the verses you quoted so eloquently to prove the commandments were “nailed to the cross,” I have already researched them at a number of commentary sites and they all say the same thing – they totally unravel your explanations. If they had not, I might have given your position more consideration.
    As I mentioned, I just started studying a 59 page book on this very topic. Just as you did, the author delves deeply into the grammatical structure to determine the correct interpretation of the text. So I will have to get back to you later in order to properly refute your allegations.
    However, I did just go to since that is the main verse people use in the way you did above. I recommend everyone go there and read it carefully. Here are a few excerpts:

    Colossians 2:16 would have to be the most abused and misunderstood Bible passage in regards to the ordinances of the ceremonial law. So what actually is the ceremonial law, and is it possible for this passage on Colossians 2:16 to refer to the Ten Commandments or just the Lord’s Sabbath as some claim?
    Did you note the last one? It means “a law”, but what type of law? The two words we should be very familiar with now are “ceremonial” i.e., “ceremonial law” and “ordinances” which comprised the things contained in the ceremonial law.

    The Thayer dictionary is even clearer and you will note that it does not say the Ten Commandments. It directly and unmistakably says the “Law of Moses” outright. Thayer Definition: “The rules and requirements of the Law of Moses; carrying a suggestion of severity and of threatened judgment.”

    So what was nailed to the cross as Paul explains in verse 14? The “Law of Moses,” which is also called the “Mosaic Law”, the “Book of the Law” and as we have just seen by the definition given by the KJV Bible, the “Ordinances.” There should be no doubt that the ceremonial law is not the Moral law and that Paul has said that we no longer need to observe the holy feast days that were associated with the ordinances as some erroneously teach. This was the whole problem that Paul was addressing as some Jews were still doing this.
    So is the phrase “sabbath days” in Colossians 2:16 referring to the Lord’s Sabbath? Definitely not. Firstly, every Greek scholar will tell you that “sabbaths” is unquestionably plural here, which there were several in the ordinances of the ceremonial law, and secondly, everything in verse 16 belonged purely and solely to the ordinances, which Paul specifically tells us is in verse 14. Paul also exhorts that the contents of verse 16 was nailed to the cross because that is what had to be practised because of sin prior to the cross, and of course why it ended at the cross. Sin is breaking of the Ten Commandments (1 John 3:4) and the Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments. Think very carefully about what God actually calls HIS Sabbath. We find more than once the phrase, “But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God:” It is the Lord’s Sabbath! The ceremonial sabbaths belonged to Israel only and were very significantly called “Her sabbaths” and are never referred to as the Sabbath of the Lord yet alone the Sabbath of the Lord your God. The Sabbath of the Lord was not kept for breaking the Sabbath of our Lord or any other Commandment for that matter. This of course makes no sense at all.

    This discourse also goes into Colossians 2 and completely refutes your explanation above:
    So let’s re-examine Colossians 2:14 and Colossians 2:16-17 again to see if everything does actually refer to the ceremonial law by the fact that the context of the passage remains the same throughout. “Blotting out the handwriting”, the ceremonial law was written in Moses handwriting. “Ordinances”, Strong’s dictionary also directly translates this word to ceremonial law, “that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way”, the ceremonial law is now against us and contrary to us, as Christ has become that One and perfect sacrifice for us. “Nailing it to his cross”, and of course now that Christ has become that perfect sacrifice for us, no longer are meat and drink offerings and animal sacrifices and all associated holy days necessary, so the ceremonial law was nailed to the cross.

    There is a lot more on this site, so if you are serious about the subject, I recommend you check it out.

    As to your last comments: The moral aspects of the Ten Commandments are still intact, but are now written in our hearts through the Spirit, which has a far greater impact in our lives than them being simply rules and regulations to follow.
    We are now free to fulfill these commandments by loving all through the Spirit, as Yeshua loves us.

    If this is true, and God’s commandments are written in your hearts, then we should all be keeping the true sabbath, and if we are, we will not have to worry about the mark of the beast.
    As for proof of this, it is all over Revelation and Daniel. But your interpretation is so far off, you can not see it. And like almost every Christian who worships on Sunday or who believes that Sunday is the “New Sabbath” (hand vs. Forehead) they will by default, refuse to believe that Sunday worship is the mark because it would mean they would have to make too big a change in their belief system. So they rebel against the truth and close their minds to it. That is understandable. It was painful for me to make the change. I was a catholic since birth. That is how I recognized the woman on the beast as the Catholic church and the Vatican.

    Just curious, if the woman is Israel, then what is the beast she rides?

    Thanks, and God bless.

    • Hi James,
      Hi Al, (thanks for the love buddy. Like you couldn’t have typed 4 more letters. lol) 🙂
      Sorry it took me a couple of days to get back to you both.

      Any way’s guy’s, we have gone back and forth on this many times in the past, and I realize that I can’t change your minds as to what either of you happen to believe, (no matter what I may say, or as to what scripture that I happen to provide).

      All I can do is perhaps simply explain why I happen to believe what I believe.

      My post above dated October 16th. @ 7:55 pm expresses what I believe to be the foreshadowing of Yeshua.

      When Yeshua stated in Matthew 5:17,18.
      “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy , but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” KJV.

      The word that was translated into English as fulfil, is from the Greek “πληρόω” transliterated “plēroō” (Strong’s 4137).
      It’s definitions are as follows;
      to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full

      a) to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally

      1) I abound, I am liberally supplied

      2) to render full, i.e. to complete

      a) to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim

      b) to consummate: a number

      1) to make complete in every particular, to render perfect

      2) to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)

      c) to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise

      1) of matters of duty: to perform, execute

      2) of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish

      3) to fulfil, i.e. to cause God’s will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God’s promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment.

      Because of this, and because of the numerous verses that Paul speaks about regarding this topic, I don’t see Yeshua stating that He is going to “perpetuate” the law, (though while He was alive He had to live under it, as stated in Galatians 4:4), but rather that He was the “full fulfillment” of the law. That He in executing it to perfection, whereupon His death, it becomes completely fulfilled, and is brought to fruition in Him. It is only then, that the new age of grace, the New and Better Covenant commences. (Hebrews 9:16.)

      I believe that we as followers of Yeshua, fulfill the law by loving others as He has loved us, and that the commandments of God that are expressed within scripture, and the love of others are one in the same. Though I personally, stumble all fall every day, I try my best to fulfill that commandment. Knowing that I have a faithful and forgiving Savior that is full of Grace, who forgives me when I confess my sins every night. I personally don’t rely on anything other than Him. I follow no dietary laws, or any other law for that matter, for my hope is not in my performance, but in Him and Him alone.

      And with that, I wish you both peace in what it is that you choose to believe, for I can not definitively prove to either of you that what I believe is correct. I however, will stick to and hold fast to my belief, that Yeshua is more than sufficient.

      Be Blessed

  23. Hi alienated,
    I don’t dispute that Jesus fulfilled the laws, but only the Jewish ceremonial laws that God created for that purpose – the yearly feasts and sabbaths such as Passover and firstfruits etc. These were traditionally were used by the Jews as penance for their sins, both as individuals and as a nation. But when Christ died for our sins, these laws were finished – Jesus had taken our sins and such penances were no longer necessary. This was the yoke of bondage Paul referred to, and as Christians we were free from these laws.
    The ten commandments however, are a whole other story. They were written by the finger of God in stone and were therefore eternal. The laws of Moses on the other hand, were written on paper by a man and could eventually be revoked. Go to: for a detailed explanation of the difference between the commandments and Mosaic or ceremonial laws.
    Jesus claimed He did not come to change one jot or tittle of the law, but to fulfill it. The Jews of that time knew what He was talking about because they knew that some laws were only there until their Messiah was to come and fulfill them. Today, many people have been deceived into believing that all of God’s laws have been fulfilled, even the permanent ones.
    I believe this is part of Satan’s end-time plan. If I’m right and his mark will be forced Sunday worship, he will already have everyone believing that it is OK to break the commandments, so that using Sunday as the sabbath is just fine with God. That is how he will get the whole world to follow the beast. It won’t be by starving people into accepting a chip implant as many would have you believe.
    In any case I pray that none of you will be deceived when the time comes.
    Remember my words – just in case.

    • James,

      The 10 commandments and the laws for the feasts were all given to moses to be obeyed by Israel. We cannot pick and choose which ones we want to obey, and you pointed out yourself.

      The feasts were meant to be observed, as they honored God, and only one day, Yom Kippur, had to do with atonement. God did not say only obey them until the Messiah shows up. In fact, Jesus has not finished fulfilling the yet. the feasts are celebrations of God before him, and were for “all generations.”

      There are ritualistic laws, such as how to wash your hands, that you can dispute, but even modern medicine observes them, as they are the basis for asepsis, and if they are disobeyed, we get infections and disease. If you enjoy pork, you will end up with high cholesterol. etc….

      There will always be a consequence to disobeying any law given. The grace of Christ does not cancel the law, but make it easier to bear, as he bears it with us.

      • Sorry Marianne, but the 10 commandments were in effect long before Mt. Sinai. The sabbath day was created in Genesis 1, and if you remember, God provided manna for the Israelites as soon as they left Egypt, and they were instructed to gather a double portion on Friday because they were not to work on Saturday – the sabbath.
        In the time of Noah, the world was sinning against God, so He wiped them out – long before the commandments.
        Plus, the tablets were the only laws given to Moses on the mountain, and they were written by God himself in stone – meant to last forever. The rest of the Mosaic Laws were given to Moses to write down on paper. A lot different than the tablets of stone.
        And the day of atonement was not the only festival dealing with sin. In fact they were all used in regards to sin. The sins of Israel were the reason for the Passover sacrifice. If there were no sin, there would be no need for the sacrifice. Jesus took away the sin, so these festivals became fulfilled, even the ones Jesus has not fulfilled Himself yet.
        But how go you fulfill “Thou shalt not kill?” That law ought to stand for all time, don’t you agree?
        Maybe you can ask a Jew what they think about the ceremonial laws vs. The commandments and see what they say.

        But I agree with you that we can’t pick and choose which laws were can ignore. If all the commandments are equal (and Jesus said to break one is to break them all), then to rest and worship on Sunday is equal to killing someone.
        For anyone who believes that God doesn’t care what day we worship Him on and that Sunday is close enough for God’s work I propose the following. If I were to go out with a gun and shoot 50 people, but I only wound them, is that OK? After all, there is no law “Though shalt not injure.” Somehow I don’t see God being cool with that. Or maybe I could commit adultery if I wear a blindfold.
        Why should the sabbath commandment be any different from the others.
        I could take it a step further and apply it to the mark of the beast. Many people think the mark will be a chip to control buying and selling, and that to get the chip (from the Antichrist), they must worship him. Of course, many people will believe he is the real Christ and will think they are worshipping the true savior. So technically, they should be O.K. since they believe they are actually worshipping Jesus. Same deal as people who think that they are worshipping on the true sabbath on Sunday. And if the 10 commandments are no longer in force, then worshipping the Antichrist should be no big deal. Otherwise you have to believe that the first commandment is still in effect, and if so, then so are all the others including the longest one and the only one that starts with the word “Remember.”
        Sounds like God knew almost everybody would eventually forget.

        • doesn’t matter the sequence of commandments. If god said it , we should obey it.

        • Hi James,

          Well, though you happen to maintain your belief that the “mark” is worshipping on Sunday rather than the true Sabbath, (or Friday evening at sundown to Saturday evening to sundown) your belief does not appear to line up with what it says in scripture.
          When the second beast takes its place of authority, (after the 42 month reign of the the first beast), he will cause the following to happen, as expressed by John in Revelation 13.

          “16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

          The word that was translated into the English as “mark” is the Greek “χάραγμα” transliterated as “charagma” (Strong’s 5480)
          Its definitions are as follows; “a stamp, an imprinted mark, of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the badge of the followers of the Antichrist, the mark branded upon horses, thing carved, sculpture, graven work of idolatrous images.”

          So clearly this is a visual and tangible mark or insignia that would signify who it is that one has pledged allegiance to, rather than having anything to do with maintaining the Sabbath. Scripture states that this mark will be received in their right hand, or in their foreheads.
          The words that were translated into the English as “right hand” are the Greek combination of “δεξιός” transliterated “dexios” (Strong’s 1188) and “χείρ” transliterated “cheir” (Strong’s 5495). This is the exact same combination that was utilized to translate into English “right hand” when Yeshua stated in Matthew 5:30;
          ”And if thy “right hand” offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.”

          Though the above would indeed be some form of “action” (as your belief maintains that the wording is representative of) it is obviously meant to be understood within the literal sense as being the “right hand”. The definitions of the words themselves makes the literal sense conclusive. “Dexios”, Strong’s 1188 is defined as; “the right, the right hand. And as a metaphor, a place of honour, or authority.”
          And “cheir”, Strong’s 5495, is defined as;
          1) by the help or agency of any one, by means of any one

          2) fig. applied to God symbolising his might, activity, power

          a) in creating the universe

          b) in upholding and preserving (God is present protecting and aiding one)

          c) in punishing

          d) in determining and controlling the destinies of men

          Therefore, since the “right hand” is to be taken in the literal sense, the word “forehead” then, must also be taken in the literal sense as well. Forehead is translated from the Greek “μέτωπον”, transliterated as “metōpon” (Strong’s 3359). Its definitions are exactly what you would think that it would mean, if you weren’t to take the word completely out of context. ”The space between the eyes, The Forehead.”
          There is nothing within the text itself to indicate that either the “right hand” or the “forehead” are not to be taken in the literal sense, but are instead to be taken as “action” and “thought”. Nor is there any indication that they have anything to do with the Sabbath. However, scripture in verse 17 does state, that there is an economic connection with this “mark”. That no one will be able to buy or sell anything without either having this mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name, on either their right hand or in their forehead. How does this line up with worshipping on any day other than the Sabbath?
          One would require something tangible to prove to the authorities in charge at the time, that they can buy or sell. Now I am not saying that it will be a chip, (though it very well could be), however I am saying that it has to be something tangible that someone could show to someone else, that would then grant them that opportunity to buy or sell.
          How could worshipping on a Saturday or Sunday possibly do that?
          And I would suggest to you that worshipping God and Yeshua on any day of the week during this particular time, is gonna get your butt killed. When this second beast is in power, if as a Christian if you accept this mark you will be toast. I personally don’t think that worshipping on either day is gonna make a difference at all. In my humble opinion, this mark has nothing to do with what day you happen to worship on, and is rather, if taken within its correct context, a literal and tangible mark.

          Just my thoughts.
          Be Blessed

          • The right hand and forehead have represented works and thoughts throughout the bible. In exodus God writes his commandments on His peoples’ foreheads. We know that it was not literal as marks and tattoos were and still are forbidden in Judaism. Regardless of the words used in the text, we must know when the words are being used symbolically. It’s like knowing the difference between a story and a parable.
            This analogy continues in Revelation 7:
            Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
            The seal of God is His word – His law. This law is put into their minds, not tattooed onto their foreheads.
            Seals are for Kings, but Satan can only use a mark for his purposes. According to my KJV concordance, the definition for Mark is “Seal” so they are the same thing, or at least they serve the same purpose therefore you can‘t assume the mark can only be a visible one.
            God’s people have His commandments sealed in their foreheads, while Satan marks his victims with the idea that God’s commandments can be broken without consequence. We know that the mark will be something that will offend God. If you think it will be about worshipping someone other than God, then you are breaking the first commandment. But Satan is far more clever than trying to get Christians to do something that radical. Instead, he has been planning something for more than a thousand years, involving another commandment – one much easier to get people to break, but just as important to God. (Although most sunday-keeping Christians will tell you God doesn’t really give a crap about His sabbath commandment). You say God doesn’t care what day we pray on, but when Jesus returns, would you really have the audacity to tell Him you don’t feel like keeping the seventh day and that you would rather continue honoring the day of Mithras the Roman sun god as your personal day of rest and worship? You might as well take His name in vain and then tell Him you also want to start worshipping idols.
            As long as Christians fail to take the sabbath seriously they are vulnerable to the mark of the beast. They are like sheep being led to slaughter.
            And the beast (revived Roman Empire) is already preparing the mark. Recently, France has passed a law preventing people to get a business license unless they agree to stay open on Saturdays and close on Sunday. This is just the beginning. When the 8th King of Revelation (the revived Holy Roman Empire) emerges, the Vatican will declare mandatory Sunday worship – just as it has in the past. Such a declaration coming from the Vatican (the 2nd beast) will not seem out of character. Pope John Paul II has already signed such an order in 2002 but they have no power yet to enforce it. That will change in the near future.
            If you’re waiting for a New World Order and a one-world currency led by a Christlike dictator who comes to power with a peace plan, you have a long wait. The story made for an interesting book and movie, but it is pure fiction. Of course, time will tell the truth of the prophecy. But here is what concerns me.
            I you are correct, people like me will refuse to worship anyone other than the true Christ and we will recognize the Antichrist. (We’ve all read the Left Behind books). But if I am right, people like you will continue to tell everyone that Sunday worship is no big thing and to go ahead and keep doing it and to keep looking for the Antichrist to arrive. This is how the whole world will follow the beast. They will do so without even knowing it. They will do it gladly in fact.
            Sheep. Slaughter. Sad 😦

            • James,

              I thought I would make one minor correction to your comment. Apollo was the Roman sun god. Mithras (technically the “light from the sun”), is the Hellenized name of the Persian god Mithra. The mystery cult of Mithras was popular in Rome from the 1st to 4th century AD.

              This particular cult was accused of being Satan’s attempt to counterfeit Christianity prior to Christ’s birth. This is because of the remarkable number of similarities between the story of Mithra and Christ. Their actual relationship is an issue of much scholarly debate.

              Many blessings,


              • Hi Abel,
                The “Mystery Religion” you mentioned actually goes back to Babylon It is the “Mystery Babylon” mentioned in Revelation. The original false Christ was Tammuz, son of Semiramis, wife of Nimrod. Tammuz was born on Dec. 25th and was supposedly resurrected as a rabbit that descended from heaven in and egg. Semiramis became Ishtar, then Isis after successive conquests and Tammuz morphed into Mithras by the time of Rome. Its al very convoluted so I rarely try to fill in all the details in a short blog, but for those who will listen, it is worth the effort.
                The main thing we can all agree on is that Sunday is not the Lord’s Day according to Genesis 1. It was blessed by pagan Rome and accepted under duress by the early Christian church and there is no excuse for anyone who knows the truth to break this commandment.

                • James,

                  I agree with you about the Sabbath being on Saturday and that it was wrong for the Catholics to paganize the word of God, and choose to worship on Sunday just to patronize the large number of wealthy Apollo/Mithras worshippers that they were trying to convert.

                  But churches are traditionally more interested in power and money than actually following the word of God. Thus the Pope lives like a king and millionaire ministers wearing expensive suits are ubiquitous.

                  An individual’s relationship with God is personal and doesn’t require a middleman to collect 10% of the transaction. But churches have a strong financial incentive to tell you otherwise. When I find a church that isn’t whoring out their religion to the highest bidder, I just might join.



            • Hi James,

              I am unfamiliar with as to which verse that you are utilizing to support your position when you state above, “In Exodus God writes His commandments on His peoples foreheads.”

              I do believe however, that if you happen to apply those specific meanings to these words unconditionally, without taking into consideration the surrounding text to understand the correct context, you are going to make mistakes.
              For example, in the following verse, would you blindly apply “thoughts” to the word “forehead”?

              “And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth.” 1 Samuel 17:49. KJV.

              Obviously not! (I may disagree with you on this, but I don’t think that you are stupid.) Therefore your comment where you say above that, “The right hand and forehead have represented works and thoughts throughout the bible.” would not be entirely accurate.

              In the King James, the word “forehead” is translated as such a total of 13 times;
              In Exodus 28:38., Leviticus 13:41,42,43., 1 Samuel 17:49., 2 Chronicles 26:19,20., Jeremiah 3:3., Ezekiel 3:8,9., Ezekiel 16:12., Revelation 14:9., and 17:5.
              In the plural as “foreheads” it is translated and utilized a total of 8 times in Ezekiel 3:8.,9:4., with the remaining, all within the book of Revelation consisting of 7:3., 9:4., 13:16., 14:1., 20:4., and 22:4.

              In Hebrew the words that have been translated into the English “forehead or foreheads” are the transliterated words, “gabbachath” (Strong’s 1372), which is defined as “bald forehead, bald, a bare spot.” (Gabbachath is utilized only within Leviticus.) In Ezekiel 16:12 the transliterated word is “’aph” (Strong’s 639) where its definition consists of “nostril, nose, face and also as anger.” (‘Aph is utilized only within Ezekiel.)
              Every other English word “forehead or foreheads” is translated from the transliterated Hebrew “metsach” (Strong’s 4696), and its definition is “brow, or forehead.”.
              In Greek, (as stated in my previous post above) the English word “forehead or foreheads” has been translated from the transliterated “metōpon” (Strong’s 3359). Its definitions are ”The space between the eyes, The Forehead.”

              Though I agree that the translation of the words to “forehead” in some cases, should not be necessarily taken in the literal sense, (Exodus 28:38. for example) I don’t believe that to substitute the premise of “thoughts” would be an accurate interpretation. Rather what I believe that God is saying, is that the “responsibility” for the people rests upon Aaron. That it is his “responsibility” that the gifts of the people to the Lord will be subjected to the ritualized conditions that were commanded by the Lord, so that they can be “sanctified or consecrated” and be accepted as a holy gift, or offering.

              What is interesting is that Hebrew actually has a word for “thoughts”. The word is transliterated as “Machashabah” (Strong’s 4284), and it is utilized a total of 52 times, within the Tanakh, and has been translated into various English words within the King James. (Incidentally, for those that have heard this term utilized before, but don’t have a clear understanding of its meaning, Tanakh, (sometimes transliterated as Tanak, or Tanach in English) is the name for the Hebrew Bible. Within the original language there is a gerashim which would indicate that the word is an acronym. It is comprised of “Torah” which is the law, “Nevi’im” which is prophets, and “Ketuvim” which is writings. Hence Tanakh.) The definition for “machashabah” are, “thought, device, plan, purpose, and invention”, and has been translated into English as “thought 28 times, device 12 times, purpose 6 times, work 3 times, imaginations 3 times, and cunning, devised, invented, and means once”, depending upon the linguistic context. Therefore if the specific intention of the word “metsach” or “forehead” was to be understood as always being “thoughts” a word to convey that intention was readily available to be utilized as such.

              In respects to the “right hand” as always being representative of “works”. I think that you will find that, (if you take the time to do a study regarding this), that out of the 169 times that the wording of “right hand” is mentioned within scripture, (within the King James), that if it is not to be either taken as being literal, or as a specific direction, or course of action to take, that it is more often than not representative of that of Yeshua, rather than works.

              James, you are welcome to believe what you wish to believe. As I have said to you before, I believe that your heart is in the right place, but that your theology is incorrect. When I read what you have to say regarding this topic, (that to worship God on any day other than Saturday the Sabbath, and to do so will be the mark of the beast), with an open mind like the Berean’s and then search the scriptures myself to see whether or not this is so, I can find nothing which resonates within my heart, or through the Spirit which validates the premise.

              You and I are simply at an impasse in which neither of us will budge from that which we believe.

              However, I do wish you Shalom.

              Be Blessed

              • Alienated,

                Sorry it took me so long to get back with you. I want to start off by giving you a scripture out of Isaiah;

                Isaiah 56

                Thus said HaShem: Observe justice and perform righteousness, for My salvation is soon to come and My righteousness to be revealed. Praiseworthy is the man who does this and the person who grasps it tightly: who guards the Sabbath against desecrating it and guards his hand against doing evil.

                Let not the foreigner, who has joined himself to HaShem, speak, saying, ‘HaShem will utterly separate me from His people’; and let not the barren one say, ‘Behold I am a shriveled tree.” For thus said HaShem to the barren ones who observe My Sabbaths and choose what I desire, and grasp my covenant tightly; In My house and within My walls I will give them a place of honor and renown, which is better than sons and daughters: eternal renown will I give them, which will never be terminated. And the foreigners who join themselves to HaShem to serve Him and to love the Name of HaShem to become servants unto Him, all who guard the Sabbath against desecration, and grasp My covenant tightly-I will bring them to My holy mountain, and I will gladden them in My house of prayer; their elevation- offerings and their feast offerings will find favor on My Altar, for My House will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples. The word of my Lord, HaShem/Elohim, Who gathers in the dispersed of Israel: I shall gather to him even more than those already gathered to him. (1)

                All beasts of the field, come to eat all the beasts in the forest. (2)

                Their watchmen (3) are all blind; they do not comprehend. They are all dumb dogs who cannot bark, who doze off and lie down and love to sleep. And the dogs are greedy; they do not know salvation. These are shepherds who cannot understand; They have all gone off on their own ways, each from his own corner, for his dishonest gain, (saying:) “Come, I will get wine and we will guzzle liquor together; and tomorrow will also be like this, and even much greater!”

                (1) In addition to the exiled Jews, many gentile converts will rally to Messiah

                (2) “Beasts of the field is a metaphor for the converts, while “beasts in the forest” is a metaphor for their more powerful enemies, the opponents of Israel. At the time of the redemption, the erstwhile weaklings will devour those who try to deter them from joining Israel (Rashi)

                (3) In contrast to those who seek God, the “watchmen”-leaders-are too blind to see and too mute to arouse the people from their spiritual slumber (Rashi)

                These are the days we are living in. Since 1948 when the Jews became a nation again, the time of the gentiles came to an end. The things that are talked about in Isaiah 56, in the scripture above, are happening now and will grow stronger as time goes on. Just as Yisrael was against Messiah Yahshua for almost 2000 years so the gentiles have been blinded to the instructions He requires of all men, be they ethnic Yisrael or non ethnic Yisrael. The gentile church is as guilty as the jews have been. But this was Yah’s plan from the beginning to gather a people for Himself from both Yisrael and the nations. The jews who fail to receive Yahshua as Messiah will suffer loss. Gentile believers who refuse HaShem’s instructions, well, Yahshua will take care of that at the Judgment seat of Messiah. This is all through the scriptures. It just goes to show how our traditions and beliefs that have been handed down to us have sent the church out on it’s own path, unwilling to see and lay hold of the whole counsel of Yah. The church leans almost totally on the letters of Paul to come up with their theology. His words have been twisted to the extent that there is no understanding. Everything Paul wrote was true, but the church has chosen blindness to understanding. But Yah has allowed it for His purposes and He will judge all men righteously concerning these things. Most people will be offended with this, but it is what is happening and it is what is coming and coming fast. Every person will be judged accordingly!!!

                Be Blessed

            • It is not fiction there will be a peace that makes the Jews feel secure, and their Temple built. After 3.5 years the Anti-Christ will enter the Holy of Holies, and declare himself a god.

              You will have to choose after that to accept worship of this person, or not be allowed to buy, or sell.

              It is written, he who takes the oath to worship the beast will be damed,and a mark will be on their hand or forehead. Not just worshiping on Sunday.

    • Hello James,

      I have often thought about the concept of original sin and how that sin could be transferred from father to son as well as how could a single being’s death atone for those sins. I am leaning towards the conclusion an “original sin” was an incomplete knowledge or understanding of God’s laws.
      Reminding humanity to “love thy neighbor” and “do unto others as you would have done unto you” , seems almost to be a expansion of the commandment precluding bearing false witness against one’s neighbor. By correcting this misunderstanding of the fathers, Jesus could stop original sin from being spread (by word of mouth and deed) to the sons.

      I think that it is important that the children of the book keep this commandment well and remember it speaks of how you should treat your neighbor (not just your fellow Jews, Christians and Muslims). At Jesus’s time (and to a lessor degree today) Jews felt they only had to have honest dealings (business and otherwise) with other Jews. Muslims also feel this way: they do not need to honor their word to an infidel. This is not what God has commanded. How can others respect the individuals that talk about the importance of love, peace and honesty, when they practice none of those ideals in their dealings with them? And how can God respect an individual who only practices his commandments with people of their own religion? What if the the commandment, “Thou shalt not kill” was give a similar twist? A Jew, Christian or Muslim could then kill anyone not of their religion, for any reason, and feel that God understands, since He said nothing explicit about it.

      A liar and a thief is a person who lies and steals, from ANYONE. A murderer is a person who murders anyone, period.

      Though I believe Jesus gave his life to clarify this, his message has fallen upon many deaf ears (Jesus would say, “I cast seed upon the stone”, or “cast pearls before swine”.) This, in my mind, is a tragedy.

      May God walk with you,


      • hi abel

        Good point. Jesus said if we do as he did, we would not only get the same results, but better ones than he did. And you do not see that happening. So there is something wrong in how people think and interpret what he said and did, and how he did it.

  24. in both Enoch 1 and Jasher (I believe though it could be Jubilees) creatures which are the result of genetic manipulation and hybridisation were created by the Watchers as they taught Man many things that were not supposed to have been shared with Man. Part of God’s fury with them (beside their transgression of the limits He put upon them by their sexual relations with human women) was due to this and Azazel bore most of the blame – hence God said all that sin would be upon him. In Numbers the goat who is to bear the sin of Israel and is taken into the wilderness and slain is called Azazel at God’s instruction, and Azazel was meted out special punishments according to Enoch,.
    My point is, that creatures we refer to as chimera, manticores, etc are probably not mythical, but rather centaurs, creatures with head of lion and body of bear, etc were all probably part of the corruption of God’s perfect creation by Satan and the Watchers.

  25. James, who in the world started the rumor that Sunday worshppers have the mark of the beast :). God is surely patient or He would already be throwing stars and planets at us fom the Heavens to shut us up :).

  26. email byronmorris1990@yahoo.com

  27. God is (Father-Mother) Genesis 1:27 Do not eat meat Genesis 1:29 its written in Gospel of Thomas where you shall find the beginning that is where the end is; I plan me and my partner only two of us… to go to Israel to stop the sacrifices next year and we will both be there for 3-4 years prophesying against Israel for sacrificing again when its written thou shall not kill by my Parent who art above and within

  28. in my words god told us to be ready for what is coming upon us through his word and his words tell no lie we are to stand still look upon him for all the help we need when we fill there is no way he makes it happen were theirs no money or food they seems to come are way what we cant put up for that time he knows he will provide for us he knows who will pay it forward and who wont who will only think of ones self and who will give a person there shirt already and who will look upon him and who wont just what i fill

  29. Hi Al,

    Thanks for typing the additional 4 letters. lol. 🙂

    Okay, all I can do in responding, is to provide you with my interpretation.

    Yesha’yahu…. Yeshaiah…. Isaiah…. “Yahweh Is Salvation.”
    I love this Book. It is a mini Bible all on its own. The first 39 chapters, (like the 39 books of the Old Testament) are filled with judgment against the immoral attitudes and idolatrous practices of Judah.
    Judah and the whole world are full of sin.
    Therefore the judgment of God must inevitably come.
    Yet, the last 27 chapters, (like the 27 books of the New Testament), announce a message of Salvation and hope.
    The Messiah is coming to be that Savior!

    One of the main words within that last sentence there is the word “coming”.

    Isaiah 56 is just that, the 56th. chapter of that book. Much of what precedes that particular chapter must be taken into consideration to derive the correct context of what is being expressed by YAH within that specific chapter. As well, one must also consider, (that though prophecy regarding Israel, (and the world) is indeed expressed throughout the book itself), who specifically is this book addressed to at the time that it would be read and recited? And also, what Covenant was in effect at that particular time?
    In answering those 2 questions, the book is addressed to the people of Israel, and the Covenant that was still in effect, was the old Mosaic or Sinai Covenant.
    The book itself was written approximately 800 years prior to Yeshua’s birth, so God obviously expressed to the books readers, or those that heard it at the time, to maintain the law that was still in effect. For there was no other alternative available until His Son Yeshua our Lord, died on the cross. (Hebrews 9:16.)

    I don’t have an issue with the Sabbath still being the Sabbath Al. Personally it doesn’t have any relevance in my life at all, simply because I have never belonged to a Church, (other than to just get baptised) and I worship God and Yeshua the same each and everyday. However, I do disagree with James and his belief that to worship God and Yeshua on Sunday will be the mark of the beast in the future. I just can not find anything to substantiate the ideology whatsoever.

    Be Blessed

  30. James,

    I have just posted at the bottom of “the 144,000 and the rest of the Jews” a commentary regarding Revelation 12, (since it was briefly mentioned above within our discussion). I will re-post it again for you here for your consideration.


    There are those that believe and are of the opinion, that the woman of Revelation 12 is referring to that of the Church.
    Perhaps this is the consequence of 1800 plus years of supersessionism, otherwise known as replacement theology.
    This is the result of the church in its arrogance, not taking into account that God, having made a previous covenant with Israel, will also ultimately fulfill that covenant. God the Father is still and will always be Israel’s Husband. (Isaiah 54:5)

    There is nothing within the context of scripture here, that would indicate that this woman of Rev. 12 is the church, therefore it must then be understood as being an incorrect assumption. However, there are passages that would support the opinion that this woman is instead Israel. Genesis 37:9,10. where Joseph was rebuked by Jacob (Israel) after explaining the dream that he had had, would be one for example.
    “And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
    And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed ? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?”

    Above we see that Jacob, (who’s name was changed to Israel by God in Genesis 32:28), understands beyond a question of a doubt, who the symbols of the “sun and the moon, and the eleven stars” represents. Therefore it would stand to reason that this inspired realization be brought forward, and that its representation is to still remain applicable to any further mention of these particular symbols. With the inclusion of Joseph within what are now “the 12 stars” in Revelation 12, this woman would then be representative of the complete fullness of Israel.

    I would pose the question to those that possess the belief that Rev. 12 is referring to the Church, “Who is the man child then?”
    Provide to me any scripture that prophesises anything regarding the Church giving birth to a man child that will be caught up to heaven, leaving the Church to seek refuge within the wilderness.” And if you also happen to be of the belief that the man child is Yeshua, “How could the Church birth its Creator and King before it had ever existed?” Sort of a like the chicken before the egg scenario huh? That is simply not logically possible. Yeshua was born, lived and died before the Church itself even came into existence. It was not the other way around.


    There is more evidence within scripture to suggest that this “man child” is the 144,000 than that of Yeshua as well.
    The story of Hannah in 1 Samuel, could very well be utilized as a foreshadowing of this event. Within that story, she would be representative of Israel, and Samuel in turn would be representative of the 144,000.

    Nonetheless, if I were to be say an author of a novel, and I wished for you as the reader to understand a particular time frame in which my story happened to take place, I would probably relay that information to you relatively early within the first couple of chapters. The book of Revelation does the same thing.

    To start with, the title of the book itself contains a certain amount of specificity regarding that on its own. The English word “revelation” is derived from the Greek, “ἀποκάλυψις”, transliterated “apokalypsis” (Strong’s 602) its definitions consist of, “Laying bare, making something naked. A disclosure of truth, or instruction concerning things before unknown. Used of events by which things or states or persons hitherto, (or until this time) have been withdrawn from view are made visible to all. A manifestation, or appearance.”

    This would then mean, that all of this following information has been until now, “hidden and unknown”.
    John states in Revelation 1:1. that this is, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must “shortly come to pass”; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” KJV.

    The term translated above as “shortly come to pass” can only be understood within its correct context, as to be referring to to the future, rather than having any historical significance whatsoever.
    Furthermore, this is supported as well by what is stated in verse 3. “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this “prophecy”, and keep those things which are written therein: “for the time is at hand”. KJV.

    The English word “prophecy” is derived from the transliterated Greek, “prophēteia” (Strong’s 4394). The primary definition of prophecy is, “a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; esp. by “foretelling future events”.”
    The term translated into “for the time is at hand” would again indicate that all of the following information is describing events of the future. (And prophecy isn’t prophecy if the information is already known.)

    In verse 19 Yeshua says to John, “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;” KJV.

    Yeshua tells John to write the things which he has seen. This he evidently does by writing within the next verse Yeshua’s explanation as to what he had just seen regarding the vision of the seven stars and the seven golden candlesticks.
    Yeshua then informs John to write “the things that are”, within the epistles to the Churches. The “shall be hereafter” would again indicate that this is a prophecy regarding future events. The English word “hereafter” is derived from the copulation of the Greek words “ταῦτα μετά” or transliterated, “tauta meta” (Strong’s 5023 and 3326 respectively.) Combined in this manner they simply can be defined as in English as “after”.

    When the epistles to the Churches were completed, John was then caught up to heaven, and the voice that he heard said to him, “Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.” (Rev 4:1. KJV.)
    Again with the inclusion of “hereafter”, this cannot be misconstrued as meaning anything other than regarding the future from when John experienced this vision, and the revelation from Yeshua, and the angels.

    So above we have been provided with “revelation” and its specific definition. “Shortly come to pass”, and “prophecy” and its specific definition. “The things that shall be hereafter” by Yeshua Himself in verse 1:19, and then “hereafter” again in 4:1.
    That is five (5) instances for the reader to understand the context of time frame!
    Therefore since there is nothing to indicate that anything of a historical significance will be provided within the following discourse, and that it is indeed a sacred prophecy provided by God to Yeshua to reveal what has previously been hidden to His followers, then the wording translated as “man child”, (within the KJV.) in Revelation 12:5 cannot be that of Yeshua.

    Many appear to simply jump to conclusions based upon the terminology that has been translated into the English, “rule all nations with a rod of iron”, and make the assumption that it is Yeshua. (Though to actually do that, it would be contradicting the five (5) previously stipulated points that were provided for the reader to understand the context of time frame.) What many fail to recognize is that this same terminology is not only applicable to Yeshua as expressed in Psalms 2:9., and Revelation 19:15., but is also expressed as being the reward to the overcomers in the epistle to the Church of Thyatira in Rev. 2:26,27. as well.
    So the phrase to “rule all nations with a rod of iron” is not definitive enough to utilize as a conclusive justification as to only be referring to one specific entity. Rather, the phrase itself encompasses all who will be chosen to rule and reign with Him within His Millennial Kingdom.

    Revelation 12 states that this woman is “with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.” (Rev.12:2.)
    In Isaiah 66:7-13., God, in speaking of end times, uses more or less the same terminology in referring to the remnant which would very well consist of the 144,000.
    ”7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a “man child”.
    8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
    9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
    10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
    11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
    12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
    13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.”

    Revelation 12:5 also states that this “man child was caught up to God and His throne”. If one was to thoroughly investigate Revelation 14, I believe that they would see a description of this being “caught up” included within verse 2.
    The chapter itself starts off with Yeshua standing on the earth, on Mount Zion, with the 144,000. Then John describes an event that starts with hearing a Voice from heaven.
    ”And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:”
    Now instead of the 144,000 standing on Mount Zion with Yeshua, they are all collectively singing a new song, before the throne, before the four beast, and before the elders. They have been translated from the earth to heaven.

    To reiterate, the church did not give birth to its Lord and Savior. It was clearly the other way around. Therefore Revelation 12 must be referring to the woman as being that of Israel. As well, because of the five stipulated points that are provided to the reader to understand that this book is revealing future events, the “man child” can not be Yeshua. There is far more scriptural evidence to then suggest that this terminology “man child” is instead referring to the 144,000. The first fruits of a special group chosen specifically by God for His good purpose.

    Just my thoughts.
    Be Blessed

  31. alienated,
    I have studied both interpretations of Revelation 12 and given them much thought. I have come to the conclusion that yours is less likely due to several factors.
    First of all, I follow the prophecy code, a long list of words and phrases that almost always mean the same thing when used in prophecy.
    For example, in prophecy, a woman always refers to a church of some kind – true or apostate. It is used later in Revelation to describe both the apostate church that rides the beast as well as the true bride of Christ. God is always consistent and would not throw us a curve and change it to a nation in one instance unless the context was crystal clear.
    Also, the ruling with a rod of iron is mentioned later in Revelation and it definitely refers to Jesus, without a doubt. And nowhere does it say that Jesus is going to descend to the mount of olives with the 144,000. God is consistent.
    As for the 12 stars being the 11 stars from Joseph, I think it goes the other way around. Joseph may have been prophesying the birth of Christ with his vision. The woman clothed in the sun with the moon at her feet represents the virgin of the constellation Virgo. In Sept – Oct, the sun is in Virgo and the feast of Trumpets (the birth day of Jesus) the moon is also aligned with Virgo and the sun. This can’t be mere coincidence but a true prophecy.
    And I don’t like the idea of having to go thru so much convoluted effort to make “man child” sound like the children of Israel or more specifically, the 144,000 who more than likely are not from Israel since most are from lost tribes that wandered away to settle Europe and the Americas. It is singular – one child, a man, who sits on the throne of God. That’s got to be one big throne to fit so many people. I will buy 24 elders, but 144,000 plucked up a few years before the second coming? Nope.
    As for the verse, “In verse 19 Yeshua says to John, “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;” KJV”
    This certainly sounds like the past, present and future. Certainly John had been alive for the birth of Christ and even witnessed His ascension into heaven and His throne. And speaking of novels, have you ever heard of a “flashback?” Many stories start in the past before they begin the main tale. And where does it say that the revealing of future things will not include anything from the past? Its just a matter of semantics – like the phrase, “shortly come to pass.” Some people have used that to say the entire Book of Revelation is finished since shortly can’t possibly be stretched out to 2000 years. You run into a great deal of trouble when you try to literalize every single word in the bible.
    In regards to the Christian church giving birth to Jesus, of course it did not. But is God’s church still Judaism? His Jewish church (represented perhaps by the 12 tribes (stars) did give birth to Jesus, and thru the 12 apostles, the new Christian church became the true church. So there are two women in rev12, both represent the one true church of God.
    There is a purpose to Revelation 12 and that is to confirm the passing of the torch from Judaism to Christianity. It also alludes to the fact that Satan would pollute the church with roan paganism (Babylon) which would create two beasts – the Holy Roman Empire and the Vatican which would pursue the true church for 1260 years (time, times and half a time prophetically a year for a day). This is all repeated in Revelation 13 with the Vatican as the second beast and the Catholic church as the whore woman.
    This scenario has already been written into the history books – perfectly. Yet some people try to toss it into the future for some reason. My problem with it is that we don’t have 1260 more years to wait for the second coming, unless you break the prophecy code, which you have already done with the woman.
    I also have to wonder about the last line – Rev 12:17
    And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    But then I must wonder, if the woman is modern Israel, how do they have the testimony of Jesus Christ? Clearly these are Christians, not Jews.
    And is all of Israel going to flee into the wilderness in the near future? Why won’t they stand and fight? They have 600 nukes, why should they be afraid of anyone? Exactly what scenario do you expect to happen?

    I really don’t see Israel having much to do with the Book of Revelation. It has one purpose – to prepare Christians for the return of Christ. The prophecy is there for several purposes. The fulfilled prophecy of rev12/13 is to show end-time Christians that this book was written by God and we can count on the rest of it to be fulfilled as well.
    Then there are the signs from God – things which will herald the second coming and will leave no doubt to anyone witnessing them that they are truly biblical in nature – not something as mundane as an eclipse on a Jewish holiday either.
    Then there are the warnings as to what God will do to prepare His people, including the Jews, for the marriage to Christ. The churches must be cleansed of all Roman and Babylonian paganism, starting with the worst offender, the Catholic church, then on down to the rest of the harlot daughter churches that still continue to break God’s laws such as Sunday worship. There will be a test on that called the mark of the beast and it will be a bitch. While it won’t be fatal, it will teach offenders not to do it again in the millennial rule of Christ.
    The 144,000 you mention are sealed by God with His word – his laws or commandments. They will not have the mark (see rev12:17 above) and they will have the testimony of Jesus Christ, so they won’t be Jews as you believe. They are a metaphor for the true church and there is no reason we can’t be like them, because if do not seal ourselves in the hand with God’s word, we will surely have the mark.
    Consider my words and be blessed.

    • Hi James,

      You had asked me earlier above, to comment on Rev. 12. so I complied with your request.
      I was more than aware that our views would differ significantly. I leave it up to those that read both interpretations to decide for themselves as to which of them resonates within their hearts, as having more possible truth.

      I would like to make a comment though, regarding the possible birth date of Yeshua.
      Above you suggest that He was born on one of the fall Mo’edim (Feasts) of Yom Teru’ah (Feast of Trumpets). I would argue, (not that I am arguing), that there is more scriptural evidence to suggest that He was born on Sukkot, (or the Feast of Tabernacles.)

      Some of the reasons that this is more than likely the case are;

      That Yeshua’s cousin, John the Baptist, was conceived in mid Sivan, (our May or June), and born 40 weeks later on Nisan 15, the Passover.
      John’s father, (Zacharias) was a Levite who was assigned to serve in the Temple during the course of “Abia” the 8th. course of the year. (see Luke 1:5., and 1 Chronicles 24:10.)
      Since the cycle of service started on the first Shabbat of Nisan, (but both Passover and Shavu’ot (Pentecost), require for all priestly course to serve), the actual time that the 8th. course would serve, would then be the 10th. week of the year.
      This then would place Zacharias’s service in the Temple as beginning on the second Sabbath of the month of Sivan, (our May/June).
      Scripture states that John was conceived shortly after Zacharias’s time of service within the Temple, (Luke 1:23,24.)
      Therefore John was more than likely conceived in late Sivan, after the 3rd. Sabbath of the month.
      This would then mean that John was born around Passover or Nisan 15th.

      Scripture states, that Yeshua was conceived 6 months after John the Baptist, (Luke 1:24-27, and 36.) Note that the “sixth month” refers to Elizabeth’s pregnancy and not the month of Elul, (Luke 1:36). If you add 6 months from late Sivan, you arrive at late Kislev, which then would be the conception date of Yeshua.
      (Something else to take note of here, is that the first day of the Jewish festival of Chanukah, the Festival of Lights, is celebrated on the 25th. day of Kislev, and Yeshua is called the “light of the world”, (John 8:12., 9:5., 12:46.) )

      From the 15th. day of Nisan, (which is John’s Birthday) if we add 6 months, we arrive at the 15th. day of the 7th. month of Tishri, (which is the 1st. day of the Feast of Sukkot or Tabernacles.) This would then have some Biblical significance, for if the day of His birth were to be the 1st. of Sukkot, that would mean that His circumcision would be on the 8th. day.
      The 8th. day is Shemini Atzeret/Simchat Torah, which like the 1st. day, is a day of sacred assembly, (Leviticus 23:39.).
      It is on this day that the Jews complete their annual cycle of Torah readings, and start all over again from Bereshit, (Genesis). Simchat Torah is considered to be a time of “fulfillment” of the Torah. For Yeshua to be circumcised on this day, it would be representative of Him in how He had come to “fulfill the Law and the Prophets”, (Matthew 5:17,18.).

      Some circumstantial evidences that would also suggest that Yeshua was born on Sukkot, rather than on Yom Teru’ah would be, in John 1:14 it states that “The Word became flesh and “dwelt” with us.” The English word “dwelt” was translated from the transliterated Greek word “skēnoō” (Strong’s 4637) and its definition are as follows; “to fix one’s tabernacle, have one’s tabernacle, abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent), tabernacle. to dwell.” This would then correlate to the relevance to the “Mishkan” as well, (as stated within my post above on October 16th. @ 7:55 pm.)

      The Feast of Sukkot would have been the most likely choice for King Herod to use to conduct the census in Jerusalem as well, (rather than that of Chanukah), because not only did he fear the Hasmoneans, but detested them also.

      Shepard’s would most certainly not be out with their sheep in the middle of winter in Israel. The angel who appeared to the shepherd’s said, “Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.” (Luke 2:10.)
      Since Sukkot was a known as both a Festival of “Joy” and as a “Festival of Nations”, the angel would have actually been giving the shepherds the greeting for the Festival of Sukkot. Sukkot is the only Festival where the Nations are positively encouraged to participate, (Zechariah 14:16-19.)

      After Yeshua returns and establishes His Millennial Kingdom on earth, scripture states that the only Festival that will be celebrated by the nations will be Sukkot. (Zechariah 14:16.) The possible reason for that would be because it will be a world wide commemoration to celebrate His birth. Simply because at this time each and every other Festival in itself will have been fulfilled. However the remembrance of His birth, may very well remain as a world wide celebration.

      One of the easiest ways to arrive at the correct date is to simply do the following equation. Scripture tells us that Yeshua was 30 years old when He started His ministry, (Luke 3:23.) and assuming, (as many Biblical scholars do), that He ministered for a period of 3 and 1/2 years, we can then count backwards 6 months from the date of His crucifixion, (during Passover in Nisan), and discover that His birthday would be in Tishri, and that of the Festival of Sukkot, where He then “tabernacled” with man, as He will again do, at a future date and time.

      Be Blessed

      • Your explanation makes a lot of sense. I will consider it. I only have a problem with the fact that Jews are not supposed to celebrate birthdays, but there might be an exception made for Jesus.
        You also may have cleared up a problem with the sun being in Virgo on the birth day of Christ. Due to procession of the equinoxes, the zodiac moves by one constellation every 2200 years or so. This would mean that at the time of Christ‘s birth, the sun would have been in Virgo a month later than it is today, which would match up with the Sukkot. I wasn’t sure if Jesus took that into account in His prophecy, but of course He did.
        Praise God!

        • Hi James,

          Well imagine that?

          We both believe that it is only through the shed blood of Yeshua on the cross, that Salvation can be obtained.
          And now we may be in agreement as to which would be, the more than likely date of His birth too.
          That’s two (2) things we agree on.

          I guess we will have to just put the other 3627 aspects aside onto the back burner. lol. 🙂

          Be Blessed

  32. The sea is symbolic of the ocean of emotion and those that have not healed themselves. Obama is the Leo the Leopard in Rev 13. The third beast that is supported by the 4th. Next year is the Chinese Year of the Dragon. In the Dead Sea Scrolls the mystics believed that the LORD puts two spirits in man, one of truth and one of falsehood. In Judaism HaSatan is not a Spirit, it is the adversary and accuser of all that is holy, right and true.

    You can understand it as the difference between human self and divine self. Christ spoke of it in terms of the Son born of flesh that persecutes the Son born of the Spirit.

    Christ was correct when he said that ‘The workers are few’. He knew that there were few born of the Spirit. Being born again of the Spirit has nothing to with baptism or the Church. Hence, why Nicodemus could not understand it. As the scriptures told you about the holy one sent by the LORD God ‘THIS ONE WAS BORN IN ZION’. In other words they were not born in Israel or Saudi. Being born of the Spirit is a celestial birth of the holy Spirit that births Sons of God. Dead Sea Scrolls speaks of the Sons of God plural and Holy Spirits plural.

    ELOHIM is here.

    Rev 13 also told you that wisdom was called to do the count on the man 666.

    Wisdom is the lamb and the Obama supporters are not written in the lambs book of life.

    Christ told you all that the Queen would have more wisdom than Solomon. That judgement would come when the sign of Jonah arrived in Israel. That happened in May 2010.

    The scriptures also tell you that only the tribes of Joseph will be saved. Why is that ? Joseph saved the people from the famine. If you do a comparison study on the seven plagues it can only be to do with the judgement upon the USA for what they have done. Hence, why Rev 17 and Rev 18 is all about the USA. Prophet Obadiah also wrote about America’s destruction, the land of ESAU and men of EDOM. The land of the native americans, the bible even speaks of how they were slaughtered and now the USA pays the price for what it has done to the indigenous peoples.

    Prophet Malachi also told you what would happen if the people did not do the will of the LORD God when the Messenger of the Covenant came. the everlasting covenant that prophet Isaiah spoke of was delivered to Israel in September 2007. It is the covenant of spiritual independence for the children.

  33. James and Alienated,

    I have been reading your discussion about who the Woman is in Rev 12. Bascially the church versus Israel. Could it be that you are both right, yet both wrong? Even those who hate Israel have to come up with something to explain the description of the Woman. It is how we have come up with replacement theology, aka “spiritual Israel”.

    While now in this world, there are two distinct groups who embrace Yah and who walk two different paths, it will not always be that way. But how does Yah see this and what are His plans? I believe it was meant to be this way, and Yah has allowed it and used it for his purposes. I believe the woman in Rev 12 is Israel, but included in that are the gentile converts. The church mistakenly believes that the Jews were to convert to Christianity. Since the Jews went into exile for 2000 years and were persecuted by the nations, which includes the church, they, the all gentile church, became the bearer of Yah’s salvation. Time and traditions have engraved in their thinking and theology that they became the “chosen ones”. Yah’s new Israel. But the fact is that the converted gentiles are Israel just as ethnic believing Jews are Israel. They were always to be one people. It is spiritual, not ethnic. But there are characteristics that the Woman Israel will bear. She will keep the testimony of Yahshua and observe the commandments. We see that happening now and increasing. We will all be judged alike. There will not be judgment for the Jews and not for the church, just as there will not be reward for one and not for the other. Yah sees us as ONE, His people. There will be Jews who are of Apostate Israel and there will be those of the chruch who will be Apostate Israel. It is not ethnic. When Yah looks at us, He doesn’t see Jew and Christian, He sees His people Yisrael.

    From Sinai to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD the Jews had close to 1500 years to become fully grounded in what they had been given by Yah? He knew when He dispersed them that they would keep His instructions in tact to the end, but would reject Messiah. The gentile believers on the other hand, from what I have read, had at the most 30 years from the time that Cornelius was converted until 70 AD. 30 years might sound like a lot, but given the task that Yah had given them, which was basically to carry His salvation (Yashua) to the world, wasn’t hardly enough time to solidify all the truths that had been handed to them, to the next generation. Only by the power and leading of Ruach HaKodesh was this even possible. They inevitably rejected the commandments but held to the Messiah for nearly 2000 years. Both Jew and Gentile playing out their role in Yah’s plan for the redemption of His People (singular), which includes both groups

    We see Israel back in the land since 1948 with the instructions in tact. But on top of that we see the move of the Spirit of Yah, bringing Jews to the Messiah by the millions; Jews who observe the commandments and keep the testimony of Messiah. We are also seeing gentile Christians who understand that the instructions were meant for us too, gentiles who keep the testimony of Messiah and observe the commandments. These two groups are one in Yah’s sight which will become clearer to us in the near future. They will be the group that HaSatan is wroth with and persecutes. This group of people will be the Israel of Yah, not based on ethnicity, but rather by believing and keeping His Word as it was written and intended to be followed. Believing Jews and Christians having to break nearly 2000 years of traditions that have been handed down to us, and it is happening now!!!

    I know that many would say we (Jews & Christians) are under two different covenants. Not so!!!! Time is not linear but cyclical. What has been is what will be. It is all around us in creation. We see it in the movement of the celestial bodies, in the way we mark time. The seconds build to minutes which builds to hours, which builds to days, which builds to years and so on, while the affects of each of those seconds, minutes, hours, days, and years stay with us and carries us towards the climax of human history. What has happened in the past directly affects the future. No one can get away from that. While we have broken all of the covenants Yah has made with us, He has not. He gave His Word and that stands forever. Has Yah broken the covenant He made with Noah and to each generation that would come after? He said He would never destroy the earth by water again and from what I see it stands true and in force to this day and till the end of time. Remember the rainbow? But, how about the covenant Yah made with Israel at Sinai? Yah made provision for Israel (those who are believers in the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) to keep them in their daily walk with Him,not to save them. Those things are still in force. What is not is the sacrificing of bulls and goats for a sin offering. They were a temporary fix to sin until the coming of the Messiah and the shedding of His blood once and for all for the redemption of sin. That is why salvation ONLY comes through faith and adherence to Messiah and His Word. Notice that it is not just to those that hear and believe, but rather to those who hear and do. Also, we are now the temple of Yah making observing temple worship unnecessary. What would most say now? That Yahshua fulfilled the law, meaning we don’t have to observe or keep His instructions anymore. Just believe in your heart. With the majority, that means in their thinking, which doesn’t mean any kind of radical change in their life. They just overlay what they believe onto their existing life with possibly minor tweaks and they are good to go and have all the bases covered. If you don’t believe that, do a study on the meaning of the word “repent” in the Greek NT. You will find that it conveys saying you are sorry, but never addresses turning from your sin; in other words, believing without doing. One big hurdle is in Matthew 5:17, that Yahshua fulfilled the law thereby annulling it (the law) and basically saying that it has no relevance to us now. He said He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill (complete). In the Aramaic, you will never find the word, to fulfill (d’amla=complete), to mean that you are destroying or nullifying the thing you are fulfilling. It is like President Clinton saying it depends on what the word is, is! Sorry for the analogy but it is just as ridiculous. If Yah wrote the instructions on your heart, He meant for them to be kept and observed, not to be ignored and written off as a relic of the past. Do that to your own peril.

    These are some of the things that hinder the Jews and Christians becoming one and realizing their destinies as the “Israel of Yah”. I wrote this basically for the Christian perspective. The Jews on the other hand see us as nothing less than pagans, given our religious holidays and pretty much the breaking of every commandment. Christians keeping the commandments of Yah given to Israel, will fulfill the scripture concerning the provoking of the Jews to their Messiah. This is how I see the Woman being Israel, the remnant of the Jews and the remnant of the Church who have the testimony of Yahshua and keep His commandments.

    Be Blessed

    • I agree that Jews who believe in Jesus Christ are included in the true church of rev12.
      The big question is, “is the prophecy already fulfilled or is it for the future?”
      I believe that rev12 and 13 are already fulfilled. They are there to prove to people in the end-time that the Book of Revelation is truly the word of God. Many people think that everything in the prophecy is still in the future. But if I am right, then these people will no doubt miss the rest of the prophecy while waiting for something to happen that never will.
      The Book of Revelation has a very simple theme; the church, the church and nothing but the church (so help me God.)
      Think about it – it starts with Jesus’ messages to the churches of John’s time. He tells most of them that they are not up to par and need correction – He is not pleased.
      It ends with the marriage of Christ to the true church.
      In between, it is all about the church. Rev12 tells how Judaism changed to Christianity. Rev13 tells how Satan infiltrated the Christian church with Roman paganism and how the mark of the beast was perpetrated in the early days of the Catholic church. It tells how this church became rich and powerful and how it spawned many daughter churches (the protestant reformation). Then it tells how these churches and it’s leader (false prophet) will be destroyed just before Christ returns to marry the true church.

      Throw in a few acts of God to show the world who’s boss and some plagues to teach sinners a lesson, and there you go. It’s pretty simple, really. All this stuff about Israel, America, a modern Muslim empire, a New World Order etc, are totally unnecessary to explain the prophecy.

      The simplest explanation is usually the right one.

      So that’s my story and I’m sticking with it…

      • James
        In a sense, you are correct with your understanding of revalation 12. Much of what is there is past events. Verse six says the woman (Israel fled into the wilderness for 1260 days. 688ad-1948ad is exactly 1260 years. 688ad is when the dome of the rock was started on the temple mount. I believe verses 13-16 are a reference to WWII, and the rebirth of Israel. The only place the jewish people were safe during that time was in the US “wings of the great eagle”. Only verse seventeen is yet to be finished, but it is occurring in other parts of the world as we speak.
        That is just how I see it, not that any one cares, but what Al wrote plays a huge role in the next seven years for the church. Dealing with our (church’s) pride plays a huge role in these events as well. As he said, there is 2000 years of traditions which must be broken. Part of that tradition is the anti semitism. Will we be corrupted again into believing the antisemitism again, as was the church in Germany during WWII. If you do not believe this is possible look at “wall street” protests and their words.
        I know you belive that these were more distant historical events, but consider what Al has said here. And then read Malachi from the jewish perspective, and Revalation 12 for the Christian one.

        God bless

  34. Al,
    I as a gentile believer am in agreement with you. “That they may become PERFECTLY ONE” And “…And He will turn the hearts of fathers (Israel) to their children (Christianity, “Male son), and the hearts of the children to their fathers, LEST I come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction”

    Jew and Gentile alike would be wise to read Al’s statement. It is of Yah.
    Be blessed.


  35. The scenario you describe is interesting, however, if you are referring to Israel as a nation, you would have to go back to the Babylonian captivity before 1500 BC. And if you are talking about the dispersion of the Jews, that would date to the destruction of Jerusalem the temple in 70 AD and the diaspora of Judea around= 135AD.
    No match – the board goes back.
    And if you are speaking of the desecration of the temple mount, well the Dome of the Rock is still there with no plans to tear it down, so close but no cigar.
    As for America being punished for being anti-Jewish, I would think it would be the other way around – the Jews being punished for being anti-Christ.

    Jesus is not returning to marry the Jews. They will need correction just like many apostate Christian churches.

    And don’t forget that both Daniel 7 and rev 13 state that the beast kingdom will last the same 1260 years. In your scenario, there is no actual kingdom, only 2 unrelated events, other than locale. No kingdom began in 688 and nothing ended in 1948. Israel did not gain Jerusalem until 1967 and they are still not allowed on the temple mount to this day. What are your two beasts and what is their mark?
    Sorry but a clever coincidence of events does not a prophecy solve.
    I’ll need many more accurate details to become a believer yet.


    • I do not think so James. Was it Ezikeil that challenged the Bael worshipers to lighting a wet fire. He had to lay low for 1260 days in the wilderness if I remember correctly. The Anti-Christ will rule with an iron fist for 1260days, and that is the time folks are not suppose to go into their houses, and get their stff. Just flee to the wilderness.

      Lot made a mistake, and lived inside a city. We are to avoid cities, as they are full of man’s evil.

      I can do nothing against G-d’s wrath, as it will come on the good, and the bad alike. But, I can prepare a place for my family in the wilderness for the coming 1260 days.

      I am part of those the CFR globalist call unwashed Americans clinging to their Bibles, and weapons.


  36. James
    I am not going to argue with you, as your interpretation is set in stone in your heart. I did not say that there was a kingdom in place from 688ad-1948, only that the Jewish people have been in the “wilderness” during that time. (Which is what revalation 12:6 says)
    BTW You said the Revalation 13 is history as well; so who are the first and second beast? Historically speaking of course! Not just “the pope and pagan rome”. (see sixth bowl) I want names, and details!

    • Beloved ,
      See my article on this site called “Is the fourth beast of Daniel Rome?”
      I explain the 4 kingdoms of Revelation as well as those of Daniel.

  37. James,

    The Jews, not even Messianic Jews, will ever become “Christians”. The Spanish Inquistion and Crusades couldn’t budge them. If they did relent and accept the offer to become part of the “Church” or die, most didn’t last long because of the pervasive paganism within it’s “hallowed walls”. If a Jew does become a part of the the gentile church, they most likely are just religious and trying to fit in. The Messiah is coming to the Jews and the Christian Church has no part in it because of the Churches obsession with Babylonian sun god worship. They know what they are doing, they just refuse to leave it because of their traditions. It’s just too hard to change after all these years!!!!!!!!! You have to realize that Yah partially blinded the Jews to the Messiah so that He would be made a sin offering for His people. Following that and pretty much for almost 2000 years they were hunted, tortured, murderd, and were run out of most places by the CHURCH, in the name of Jesus. Is it any wonder that the name of Jesus became a swear word to them? But yet in it all, they held fast to Yah and His commandments. The church spoke of love but tortured and murdered indiscriminatly because of their ethnicity. If the Jews were just a race of people doing this on their own, the name of YHWH and the instructions should have been nothing more than something gathering dust as a relic in the dust bin of history. But it is not that way. They became a nation again in one day. and since then, millions of Jews have received their Messsiah and keep the commandments. My question to you is, would they have been able to do both(embrace their Messiah and still keep the commandments) in the Christian Church? You know the answer to that as well as I do. It would not have been tolerated. To this day that would not be tolerated. Yet you say that they have to become a part of the Church. I know you are very analytical and very bright, as are many of those who blog here are, but how do you not see what Yah is doing here? Just because things don’t line up the way you believe they should analytically, you throw everything in the dumper? My guess would be that no two people agree on everything. It is just the way it is.

    Do you honestly believe that Yah put out in the open all of the plans He had? We understand Messianic passages now because it is after the fact. Before the time of Messiah it was veiled, hidden in the writings of the Tanach. He does not tell the enemy His plans and does not make them open for the profane to figure it all out with a calendar. adding machine, and history book. All of these things have their place and in the end will be found to line up with His obscure plans for mankind. What happened with the Jews would have happened with any race or group of people Yah chose to receive His Word. Yah chose the Jews, it was His choice, and He didn’t make a mistake. He also chose us as pagan gentiles, it was His choice, and He didn’t make a mistake. It is all for a reason and is coming together now. Prior to 1948, you would most likely never have seen or heard about a Messianic Jew. Regardless of what you say, 1948 was huge!!!! Tell me,what do the Messianic Jews need from the Christian Church that they don’t alread have? In my estimation, the Messianics have their act together more than any other group. I am not speaking of perfection, just that they have a foundation unlike any other I can think of.

    Bascially, to come to the place where the enemy is wroth with us, we have to hold the testimony of Yahshua and keep the commandments (for the enemy not to be wroth with us means that he already has us). What the Jews have to do is embrace Messiah and they fit the description. What the gentile church has to do is eradicate their Babylonian form of worship, ditch their holidays, take on the Feasts of Yah, observe the Sabbath, and start keeping the commandments.

    This is how and what (Jewish and many Gentile) Messianics worship:

    Messianics observe traditional Jewish holidays such as Purim, Chanukah, etc. Christians do not.


    Messianics observe the biblical feasts of Vayikra (Leviticus) 23 such as Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement), Rosh HaShanah (Feast of Trumpets), Sukkot (Feast of Booths) and Passover. Christians do not.


    Messianics do not observe Christian holidays that were borrowed from paganism, such as Christmas and Lent or were simply concocted.

    Messianics do not use Easter bunnies, Easter eggs, Christmas trees, etc., (which are part of Christian tradition in many parts of the world although they are not part of official Christian theology).


    Messianics worship on the biblical Sabbath, i.e., Friday evening till Saturday evening, not Sunday. HaShem says the Sabbath is an eternal covenant between Him and the descendants of Israel. (Sh’mot/Exodus 31:16).


    Messianics cant the Shema, and traditional Jewish blessings that most Christians have never heard of, e.g., the kiddush and the Aaronic benediction.


    Messianics cant the Torah portion in Hebrew at worship services.


    Messianic preaching is mainly from the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh), although references to the B’rit Chadasha are common.


    Messianic Judaism emphasizes the special relationship between G-d and the Jewish people, whereas Protestantism and Catholicism hardly ever mention it.


    Messianic Judaism emphasizes Jewish traditions that do not conflict with the Bible, whereas Protestantism and Catholicism totally ignore those traditions.


    Messianic Judaism asserts that the Torah (literally, “teaching”) is still in effect (as modified by Yeshua). Christianity claims that once Jesus “fulfilled the Law” it no longer applies.


    Messianic Jews bar-mitzvah their sons and bat-mitzvah their daughters. Christians don’t.


    A Jewish person who converts to Protestantism is referred to as a Hebrew Christian, not a Messianic Jew.


    Messianic Judaism and Protestantism teach the biblical doctrine that salvation is a free gift from G-d, by faith in Yeshua.

    Roman Catholicism teaches that Catholics can earn (“merit”) all the grace necessary for salvation, and that Moslems will also be saved, even though Islam denies the deity, death and resurrection of Yeshua.


    Messianics do not need to be proselytized into Christianity. We already know who Messiah is and what he did to provide salvation for his people.


    Messianics use the same scriptures as Protestants, including the common translations, e.g., NIV and New King James Version. Of course, it is much more common to find a Messianic who has studied biblical Hebrew than a Christian.


    Messianics only baptize believers, not babies, and only baptize by immersion, since the practice described in the B’rit Chadasha is actually derived from a mikvah, a Jewish ritual purification bath.

    Tell me again how the Jews need to embrace Christianity?

    I have the utmost respect for you James, but on these points I strongly disagree with you!

    Be Blessed

  38. ashupert2,
    I agree with you. Most of modern Christianity is pagan (Babylon) and will be destroyed. When Jesus returns, the true church will look a lot like the ancient church at Philadelphia (rev3). Whether God’s people will be called Christians or Jews at that time, I can’t say, but it doesn’t really matter, at least not to me.
    Know what I mean?

  39. Hey James,

    I think your are right, semantics plays a big part in how we perceive things based on personal bias. But that being said, this is why I believe the Woman to be Yisrael. The scriptures start off in Genesis speaking of the seed (the beginning) of the Woman and finishes in Revelations speaking of a Woman who is full and complete, having come to maturity and lacking nothing. Through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob Yah brought into existence Israel the man, to become Israel the nation, His chosen people. What made them chosen was not their ethnicity, but rather the “seed” (Word) that was within them. If that is not true then Rahab the would not have been in the bloodline of Messiah. His people will consist of who so ever will, by the Word of Yah, and they will co-exist in the cultivated olive tree Yisrael. It is why the New Jerusalem will have 12 foundations, one for each of the Hebrew Apostles; there will be 12 gates, one for each of the 12 tribes of Yisrael. Yah always desired the stranger (from the gentile nations) to come and partake of His Word (Torah) and become one with His people, with no distinction between the gentile convert and the home born, both fully Yisrael. It is a picture of who we are as gentile converts. We might not see it that way, but what that really means is, that after 2000 years we still haven’t figured out who we really are.

    The parables in the NT are not just stories about right living. They tell the story of His people Yisrael. The parable of the Good Samaritan is not just about a person doing good deeds. It rather speaks of the time when Judah would go into exile and the gentiles would replace them as Yah’s right arm in this world for approximately 2000 years. It is all there in the parable.

    The parable of the Prodigal Son is about more than just sowing your wild oats and coming to your senses after a period of time. The Father is Yah; the older brother is Judah; the younger brother is the Gentile Church (Ephraim). The house is the place where Yah has put His name, His authority, and His Word (Torah) and is the place where His children are to live and grow and learn to be obedient and wise sons. The younger brother decides it is not for Him and takes His inheritance as a Son and moves away from the Wisdom and the protection of the Father. The younger brother came to nothing, totally immersed in that which is unclean (the pig sty=iniquity=lawlessness) and decided it was better for him in the safety and provision of His Father’s house. The Father was elated that His son, who had lost his way, but now “back” home again. The Elder brother Judah, however, was jealous of His brother and the attention He was getting for having left the things of the Father in the first place. The Father speaks to the elder son’s steadfastness with the things He had given Him (Torah=commandments) and to be glad that his brother had found his way back to the things of the Father (Torah=commandments).

    Judah, after keeping the commandments of Yah for 2000 years while in exile, is coming to know their Messiah. When their brother Ephraim (the church) begins to keep the commandments of Yah again it will provoke jealousy in the heart of Judah making the harvest of the Jews even greater. In the end, Yisrael will be comprised of all those who have the seed (Word) of Yah in them, from every nation, language and tongue. This is what I believe YHWH’s true Yisrael or Church will look like.

    Be Blessed

  40. The reason I can’t believe that any woman in prophecy is a nation is because I’m a firm believer in the “prophecy code”. This has been compiled by many bible experts and has been used for used to explain prophecy.
    For example, in prophecy, “the lamb” refers to Jesus Christ, but elsewhere in the bible such as Leviticus, it refers to an actual lamb.
    Also, stars refer to angels and beasts refer to kingdoms and a day equals a year, etc. Unless the context is unmistakable, these symbolic words should be replaced with the code words in order to properly understand the verses.
    The Book of Revelation is full of these symbols, and some are unmistakable, but others are often taken literally by people who don’t know or use the code.
    I have discovered that when the code is properly applied, the Book of Revelation makes perfect sense. If not, the resulting explanations are way more difficult to reconcile and you end up with a bunch of future events that seem ludicrous to me. Everyone believes them since they are in the future and if the bible says it will happen, then it will, no matter how crazy it seems. My mind is too logical for that to fly for me.
    Actually, what I believe was taught by people like Martin Luther, John Calvin and most other protestant reformers.
    Then Fr. Ribera (a catholic priest) came up with a Vatican rebuttal, which strangely, has recently been picked up by today’s Protestants who are running with it, having completely forgotten why Luther et.al. separated themselves from the Catholic church to begin with.
    I find this disturbing but I am not surprised as there are to be many false prophets in the latter days, and since it says that the whole world will follow the (Vatican) beast, it must be true that the vast majority of end-time believers will get it wrong, so I‘m happy to be in the minority on this one.
    Here is a link to one of the many prophecy code sites:

    • James

      Just a note. Israel was a nation and referred to as a woman all throughout the OT. I do not see why the prophecy code would overlook that.

      BTW. remind me in a week about your posts. I am going out of town.

      • If you check your references I think that you will find that they were not in regards to prophecy, or that the woman was the church of Judaism. In a book like Revelation, where two churches are referred to as women in later chapters, we must assume the vision was consistent throughout. God is not the author of confusion, and the nation scenario makes little sense. Plus Revelation refers to kingdoms (nations) as either beasts or kings. To add a woman to the mix is not logical. I think this is why so many people are so confused about the prophecy. Its all about the church – the Christian church(es) and what they must do before they can become the bride of Christ.
        Certainly, ALL the churches can’t be perfect. Will Jesus allow a hodgepodge of denominations to run rampant on the earth as they do today, or will He recreate the perfect church the way He deems it should be? I think the latter, and if I’m right then many churches will have to be destroyed or highly corrected.
        It just makes sense, no?

  41. Hey James,

    I understand what you are saying about your prophecy code. Even if what you and your experts are saying is true in all situations, would that necessarily apply to Yisrael? In Hebrew, Yah always referred to Yisrael as a goy (the nation-singular), while he referred to all other nations as goyim (the nations-plural). The implication being that Yisrael was chosen to bear the name of Yah from the very beginning. The nations (plural) are everyone else. Anyone from the nations was welcome to be of Yisrael. It was open to who so ever will. It is not an exclusive club just for the Hebrew people. Everything in scripture revolves around the establishment and perpetuation of Yisrael, the people and the nation. The gentile nations were to be servants to and accommodate Yah’s plans for Yisrael. It will be that way in the 1000 year reign of Messiah. When Yisrael failed to obey Yah’s Word, He used the nations as a disciplinary force to punish them and to bring them back to Him, whether in the short term or the long term. The people of Yisrael were to be Kings and Priests to all the nations and all of the nations were to flow to Yah’s temple, but that hasn’t happened, YET! Yah’s plan for Yisrael has been on going now for close to 6000 years and it has not diminished or changed one bit. This is the centrality of Yisrael in all of scripture and her place on the earth. I believe that to lump Yisrael in with all other nations, in some kind of prophecy code is “ludicrous”. It flies in the face of wisdom and just basic common sense. Yisrael has always had and will always have pre-eminence as a nation in this world and nothing will change that. She stands alone, not one of the many.

    But, there is another aspect to all of this. Yisrael is a nation in the pure sense of the word, but much more than that, Yisrael is also a people that is not ethnically specific. All who hold fast to and obey the Word of Yah are citizens of the Common Wealth of Yisrael, whether we live there or not, regardless of nationality, race, language, or tribe. From Avraham to the time that Joshua entered Canaan was approximately 700 years. For those 700 years, Yah had a people who were His, but were not a nation in the classical sense of the word, but they were still His people. Yah had prepared a place for them which was to be the land of Israel, for the children of Jacob (Israel). The people Yisrael and the land Yisrael are one but still have their own individual identity . After Yah exiled Judah in 70 AD the land turned to wilderness and pretty much stayed that way until Judah returned in 1948. You said that “the woman” refers to a church, basically a group of believers. What do you think the people of Yisrael are? The whole time they were in exile they remained Yisrael. They were not a nation, but they were still Yisrael, just as they were Yisrael before they first entered Canaan to possess it; but not only that, the gentile converts, in the days of the Apostles and afterwards were of the people of Yisrael, evidenced by their submitting to the Jerusalem Council comprised of Jews. Even today, Yisrael is uniquely the people of Yah, but also a nation. We are a people united by obeying the word of Yah and His commandments and have the Testimony of Messiah. Because of that fact, we are of the nation of Yisrael. Yisrael as a nation means nothing without the Word of the Most High being honored and obeyed by its citizens.

    The last thing I will comment on are the two people you mentioned as being contributors to your prophecy code; Martin Luther and John Calvin. Both are well know Christian activist. I am not going to put any of their racial slurs in this discussion, I am sure you are well read enough to already know what they are. I am trying to keep the conversation civil and not provoke things.

    Having said that, knowing their virulent hatred for the Jews, why would you try and validate your point in this conversation by using any writings from such notorious anti-Semites, especially since you are trying to give reasons why Yisrael cannot be the Woman in Rev 12? There obvious bias and hatred disqualifies anything they would have to say in this matter. My guess would be that they could see Yisrael possibly being the Woman of Rev 12 and felt they needed to say whatever possible to make sure the CHURCH didn’t buy into it. And that might not be the case, but honestly, they have no credibility in all of this. Gentiles with an anti-Semitic outlook, deciphering ancient symbols written entirely by the semitic (Hebrew) people. No conflict of interest there!!!???

    I am sorry for bringing this up. Most everyone knows it existed and still does to a large extent. You seem to have made your bed with Martin and John; I think I will stay with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Yisrael). It fits the major theme of the scriptures from beginning to end. It started off with Yisrael and will end the same, understanding that this includes everyone on planet earth who will in truth keep the commandments of Yah and have the testimony of Messiah. Yah did not drop the ball in the middle of all this and have to revert to a gentile plan B. That is what is “ludicrous!

    Be Blessed James

    • To me, the woman is natural Israel, who gives birth to the child, who then births the church, or spiritual Israel. By the end of Rev 12, the woman includes both natural and spiritual Israel.

  42. Short and to the point Marianne. Very good!!!

  43. I believe that in the Old Testament, Israel refers to the nation of Israel, however in the New Testament Israel refers to “spiritual Israel” which is now Christianity. Christians also comprise the new “temple.”
    Both of these can also be considered as “the church.”
    Therefore what you have described as Israel could also be considered the church.

    As far as the woman being literally the nation of Israel, verses like the following make no sense:

    Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

    How does a country flee into the wilderness? You can’t even get a building to flee anywhere. The people can flee, but they are not the country. If it said the people of the woman fled into the wilderness I might buy it.

    Now, if the man child is not Jesus, and the woman is Israel, then this chapter is not about Jesus, since He is not recognized by Israel. Yet we have the following:

    Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

    Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    All these verses are all about Jesus. The whole Book of Revelation is all about Jesus. Given a choice, I will always assume the book is referring to Jesus and not the Jews.
    Sorry but there are too many loose threads in the Israel theory.

    • Hi James,

      Now we are getting down to the crux of the matter. Do you think the Apostles were Christians? By the things you have said, I believe you think they were. I think you also believe that Yahshua came to make a New Covenant, thereby abolishing the Old Covenant; that for Jewish believer’s at that point, it was necessary to convert to the new religion, Christianity. That Yah had made the gentiles His new people and the Jews could convert to Christianity, if they chose to, or be left behind. The Church of Christianity then became spiritual Israel. Just wondering, is that accurate?

  44. The women is Judaism, The child was Jewish, Judaism can survive in the wilderness and be fed by God. “the remnant of her seed” are those who do not partake in the ritual sacrifice (temple sacrifice) prescribed in the Torah. The moment this occurs, you will have a denial of the “testimony of Christ”, and the Abomination of Daniel. This is the part of the Law Jesus fulfilled.
    Just my thoughts.

  45. Beloved,
    You are an the right track here, the “woman” represents God’s people – His church. At the start of rev 12, the church was Judaism and it delivered a Jewish male child, Jesus. Until the stoning of Steven, 3-1/2 years after the resurrection. This ended the 70 weeks of Daniel. The Jews were given that time to repent of their sins, but they did not. After that, God’s true church became the apostolic Christians, typified by the church at Philadelphia (see rev 3).
    God gave up on Judaism and His people are now Christians. But the early Christians were polluted by Roman (Babylon) paganism and those who kept true to God’s word were persecuted during the Holy Roman Empire by inquisitions and evil popes. This true church hid out in the mountains of Europe until the Holy Roman Empire was “killed off” by Napoleon in 1798.
    528 to 1798 = 1260 years. That equals a time, times and dividing of time – 3-½ prophetic years = 1260 prophetic days =1260 actual years. This is fulfilled prophecy. The same prophecy is mentioned again in rev13, 5 – that the beast will continue for 42 prophetic months which also equals 1260 years. This beast also persecuted the saints – the inquisition of the Holy Roman Empire. Again – fulfilled prophecy.
    You can’t really understand rev 12 until you read ahead for more clues. In fact, the Book of Revelation is easier to understand if you read it backwards.
    You might want to try that some time.

    • James
      The wilderness spoken of in revalation 12:6, is not a place of persecution, so much as it is a place of rescue. Also God did not give up on Israel, or else he would not have restored them to their rightful place in 1948. This is a significant event in biblical prophecy.
      Not to put words into Al’s mouth, but there are two witnesses to Yahweh, the Law and Faith. (Do not equate that with the two witnesses of revalation) This is all that will remain when Jesus comes again and deals with our sinful flesh, and the systemic sin (Babylon) of the world. The Jews have held the Law, but without Faith, it is incomplete, Just as faith without the law as the goal of sanctification is incomplete. When we become one is when we embrace the other. For “gentiles” this means embracing the Law, not as work of our own, but a work of the HS, for Jews it means embracing the faith in the messiah as a fulfillment of sacrificial law, rather than trying to reinstate temple sacrifice on the temple mount. Something which has not occured since 70 ad.
      I will comment further later on…

  46. Hey Dru,
    Maybe the wilderness is a place where the church was rescued from persecution?
    As for the “Christian” thing, I don’t know if the apostles called themselves Christians. The term was coined by Steven the Sorcerer, a leader of the Mystery Babylon religion. This is the very religion that polluted the early church and that is referred to on the forehead of the Whore of Babylon.
    So perhaps the new religion should have a better name, after all over 99% of modern Christian denominations are apostate. And the church (often referred to in the New Testament as “Israel” is no longer Jewish, so Judaism may not be appropriate any longer, so maybe there will be a new name for it, or even better, there will be no name for it – it will be the one and only religion, so maybe it will be called “It is that it is.”
    For now, we usually refer to those who believe in Jesus as Christians and those who don’t as Jews. (Or antichrists).
    So let’s not quibble over semantics, as long as we understand what we mean. 🙂

    • James, You don’t know?

      Have you ever even read the Bible?

      English “Christian”, Greek, “Χριστιανός” transliterated, “Christianos”, Strong’s 5546. Definition…. “Christian, follower of Christ.”
      Used twice within the New Testament, namely Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16.

      I really don’t think that your “forehead” is “right handing” quite the way that it should. lol. I think that you have the Marvel Comic character “Doctor Strange”, and the character “Steven the Sorcerer” confused with the Word of God here.
      Mind you, that explains a lot.

  47. Nope, I’ve never read that bible thingy – I get all my info from comic books. Doesn’t everyone?
    Oh no wait – that’s the “Left Behind” books.

    Anyway, I was referring to what God himself might call his church.

    He might consider it to still be Judaism, just completed by the messiah. Who knows?
    Do you?
    Just sayin’

    • Hi James,

      As I have said to you before, this isn’t about you personally. I have expressed to you in the past, that you would probably be fun to hang around with, and that I appreciate your intellect and sense of humor.
      So this isn’t about you, but rather your theology, which I believe is in error. Am I correct with that assumption? Unfortunately I can’t prove that.
      No more than you yourself can prove that mine is incorrect.

      Regarding your comment about the “Left Behind” books. I have never read any of the “Left Behind” books. I derived the basis of my understanding solely from scripture. I have also never attended a Church, or prescribed to any particular doctrine of men either. All of what I believe has been developed through that of my own personal studies.

      In my opinion, what is sad about our Faith is, the apparent division that exists among believers in Yeshua. That there isn’t a clear and concise consensus in all of us concerning our Biblical understanding. That a site like this is even necessary at all for believers to attempt, through discussion, to discover God’s truth.

      I and others, have attempted to provide you, with rational interpretations of scripture to perhaps look at certain topics in a different light. None of which has been received. In one respect I admire you for your ability to stand firm in what you believe.
      Yet in another, I am concerned that you may be simply propagating false doctrine, and placing confusion in the hearts of new believers. Those that are possibly looking for answers here on this site, that are still consuming milk and are easily influenced.
      Yet you could probably state the same concerns regarding any of my posts as well. I mean really… “Who am I?”

      In a sense, all of this back and forth discussion may be just an act of futility on all of our parts? I would suggest that none of us has a full and comprehensive understanding of what consists of the real truth. Therefore I will simply and humbly leave it all in the Sovereignty of God’s loving hands. For He and our Lord will be the Judge on that day.

      Be Blessed

      • There is no doubt that the bible can be interpreted to prove all sorts of theories and suppositions, so truth is in the eye of the beholder.
        Obviously we will never convince each other to change views, but I am hoping there are many people who read these blogs who never chime in with an opinion. For those people it is a good thing to hear all sides of the issue and then make up their minds for themselves. I once was a CUSTOM and believed I was in the one and only true church. Then I believed in the common protestant interpretation – the rapture, New World Order, antichrist, 7-year tribulation, chip in the hand etc, but the more I researched, the more I learned. I learned from all sorts of bible studies, TV preachers, web posts, books etc, and after comparing every theory out there, I came to my current conclusions.
        Just reading the bible is not enough in my opinion. If so there would be no need for seminaries and schools of theology. There is a lot of history, geography and other non-biblical books that must be read and tied into peoples and places mentioned in the bible. Stuff that could take a lifetime to learn on your own.
        I try to pass on some of this knowledge to others and it is up to them to look into it in more detail and decide if they think I’m right. Of course, time will tell on that matter, but at least if people have heard my words, if the time comes, they may be able to use them to understand what is really going to happen.
        But I’m wrong, we’ll all be raptured and I will make my apologies in heaven.
        We shall see.
        Be Blessed.

  48. James,

    The following scripture is Isaiah chapter 14:1-7;

    For HaShem will show mercy to Jacob. (1) He will choose Israel again and grant them rest upon their land. The proselyte will join them and be attached to the House of Jacob. The nations will take them and bring them to their place, and the House of Israel will possess them as slaves and maidservants upon the land of HaShem; (2) they will be captors over their captors and they will rule over their oppressors.
    It shall be on the day when HaShem grants your relief from your distress and your anxiety and from the hard labor with which you were worked; You will recite the parable about the King of Babylonia:

    How has the oppressor come to an end, the arrogance been ended? HaShem has
    broken the staff of the wicked, the rod of rulers who would strike peoples with fury,
    with unrelenting blows, who would oppress nations with wrath, [the nations] were
    pursued [by them] without respite. ‘The entire land is at rest and tranquil,’ they
    broke out in glad song.

    (1) 14:1-2. The first part of this verse refers to the great kindness that God will cause Cyrus the Persian, the conqueror of Babylonia, to show the Jews. The prophet then goes on to speak of the Messianic era (Rashi: Radak)/
    (2) 14:2 Non Jews will volunteer to become servants in the Land of Israel (ibn Ezra).

    The first verse is the return from the exile and captivity in Babylon. From the second verse on it is talking about the Messianic age (that which is yet to come). Where verse one is talking about the physical return from Babylon, I believe from verse 2 on it speaks of Israel spiritually returning from Babylon (the Messianic Age). This is the restoration of the land of Israel, and the restoration of the people Israel, Jew and Gentile.

    Would be interested in your comments.

  49. Well I went to a number of bible study sites on Isaiah and there is no reason to believe that verse 14:2 has anything with the end times. The following verses are described below and they merely tell the story of ancient israel.

    Babylon will be made desolate (13:l—14:27).

    Philistia will howl over its calamity (14:28-32).

    Moab is lamented for her doom (15:l—16:14).

    Damascus and Samaria will be plagued (17:1-14).

    Ethiopia will be destroyed but left an access to God (18:1-7).

    Egypt will be confounded but in the future will be part of the covenant with access (19:1—20:6).

    Babylon’s fall is reiterated (21:1-10).

    Edom is threatened (21:11,12).

    Arabia has a set time for calamity (21:13-17).

    Jerusalem will be invaded (22:1-25).

    Tyre will be overthrown (23:1-18).

    Sorry but I couldn’t find anyone who agrees with you. To me this is just another case of pulling bible verses out of context and using them to prove a point. The rapturists do it all the time to create the illusion of a pre-trib rapture. And the big culprit is the disconnection of the 70th week of Daniel and the tossing of it 2000 years into the future. I used to buy into all of this because everyone else seemed to be.
    I urge everyone to be cautious about verses pulled out of context, especially the Old Testament. Sure, some prophecy will be a repeat of prior events, but if you make that assumption with every verse in the bible you simply end up with a giant mess. That is why there are so many different interpretations and why the Book of Revelation can be so confusing.

    Your choice of Isaiah is a good point here. In the verses above we see a clear logical and chronological story (unless you jump 2,500 years into the future then back again). It is all about God’s people (Israel) and the nations around them that had influences on them. The story flows smoothly and never gets off topic. The Book of Revelation should read the same way and should even keep the same topic – God’s people and what will happen to them in the end times.
    I recommend people should approach the Book of Revelation by first figuring out it’s purpose. Read the end first, then figure out the rest.
    Like a joke – once you know the punch line, getting the joke is easy.
    But the mark of the beast will be no joke, so careful study is necessary.
    So keep an open mind folks. And never jump to conclusions…

    • James,

      I would just like to respond to one of your statements above.
      As one that believes in a Pre-Tribulation gathering together, I just wish to state, that I/we have not simply culled bible verses out of context to substantiate our beliefs in an effort to create some type of illusion. Not only are there passages that do more than suggest that a separate and unique event will take place prior to the advent of Yeshua’s second coming, (to establish His kingdom here on earth), but if you believed, and possessed an understanding that Yeshua did indeed fulfill all of the Spring Feasts, then it would only make sense logically, that in turn, He would also fulfill the Fall Feasts as well.
      (It appears to me that you may have just jumped to a false conclusion yourself.)

      Though you are mistaken and are under the belief that this theory did not come into being until 1830, I have, (through my studies) been able to track it back to the foundation and early inception of Catholicism, where like most of the established Christian doctrine that was known and practiced by Yeshua’s followers, was unceremoniously discarded due to Roman arrogance.

      However, even if you were correct, and utilized, (as you have in the past) the date of 1830 as being too new for a philosophy to have any significant biblical credence, what then would you utilize to justify the doctrine of your Seventh Day Adventist Church, for it wasn’t formally established until 1863?

      You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

      • Just a note on the Seventh Day Adventist movement.
        It began in 1844, the year of the Millerite’s “Great Disappointment.”
        Revelation 10 refers to this year – the little book that was sweet in my mouth and bitter in my belly.
        Also, the longest prophecy of Daniel, where the Sanctuary shall be cleansed, ends on this date (calculated by Miller who thought it was the second coming).
        Even the biblical timeline in the great pyramid records this date – I knew it 25 years ago but never realized the significance.
        Somehow, the Seventh Day Adventist church cleansed the sanctuary of God’s people. What did they do that was such a big deal to God?
        They restored to true Sabbath – the one thing that all the previous reformers refused to do because it was “too Jewish” or they felt no one would come to their services on Saturday.
        Today, they comprise less than 1% of Christians – a true remnant as mentioned in rev12 and elsewhere.
        These puzzle pieces fit perfectly and I’ve never heard a pagan sunday-keeper ever try to explain them.
        So if I’m right, Sunday keeping will be the mark of the beast and Seventh Day Adventists will be the remnant church.
        If you’ve got a better explanation, please fill me in.

        And please don’t tell me God doesn’t care about His commandments anymore. You can’t accept the Son and deny the Father.

        Just in case you were planning on doing that…

        • James
          The only “number” in the bible that even remotely relates to 1844 is the 2300 hundred days of daniel 8:14. As I have mentioned before to you this time frame is a fulfilled prophecy which occured from sept 6th 171 bc-dec 25th 165 bc (exactly 2300 days). This is the date of the cleansing of the temple at the time of Macabees upon the death of antiochus. If there is a double fulfillment for this number, the onus is on you to prove this.

          Even this dating is a bit off as 1844-2300=456/457bc, as 538bc was the year of cyrus’ decree, and 458bc is the year of the second post exilic return to Jerusalem. 446/445 was the year Nehemiah was told to go build the walls of Jerusalem. The temple was finished in 516bc. Close but not quite!

          Daniel 9:8 also places this prophecy as a past event referring to Alexander the greats empire being divided amongst his four generals. (322bc)

          As You say, most of the prophecy in the OT is fulfilled, It is your Job to prove this second fulfillment is significant. I know I cannot find any reference in there to some distant future event, but do find many “past fulfillments”. You mentioned the timeline in the great pyramid, which I will look up after this.

        • James
          Perhaps you could provide a link to the great pyramid stuff, as all I come up with on this is pyramidology, and new age stuff.

    • James
      Not that you care, but John MacArthur is in agreement with Al, That Isaiah 14:2 refers to end times.

      Speaking as a participant observer in this world of ours, people in general fear submitting to authority, especially in the modern world. This fear is often based on fear of opression. (A Justifiable fear with how humanity has treated each other) Submission to God on the other hand is the most liberating act we can do. During the millenial kingdom, which will be ruled by Israel, our submission to their authority will be seen as submission to Jesus, the messiah. (Note how in verse 14:1 it talks of sojourners “attaching themselves to the house of Jacob”) This will be a willful act….Is it in us to submit to God’ authority, or will we resist out of fear and loss of self control?

      Not that I am a theologian or anything like that, but I am in agreement with Al. I would rather be a slave to righteousness than a slave to sin.


      • Hi Dru,

        Well said my friend. Sounds like something has changed with you. Looking forward to talking about some of these things we are discussing here.

        Be Blessed

        • Al
          Isaiah 11:10
          A bride must willingly submit, That is the key (of David perhaps). Not so much a change as a deeper understanding. Your words broadened that understanding, and I thank you for them.
          God bless you as well.

  50. Hi James,

    Thanks for responding. I feel sort of privileged that you think I came up with the commentary on Isaiah 14: 1-7 and that you felt it necessary to warn others to watch out for abusing the scriptures in this manner by pulling verses out of context. I do a lot of driving and have the Bible on compact disc. I heard this scripture awhile back and took the time to ferret out what was being said. What you are alleging, I am guilty of, but just wasn’t sure if what I was thinking was right. I went to a copy of the Tanach that I have and looked up the verses in Isaiah 14. I gave credit to the three Jewish commentators that I used to verify my thoughts; Rashi, Radak, ibn Ezra. I also have a Bible that has modern Jewish commentary. All four pretty much agreed on the Messianic and historic fulfillments of these verses.

    But this is what I don’t understand. You made the statement above that 99% of the church are apostate (which I basically agree with) and yet you use the commentaries generated by this apostate church and use it to try and refute something that you personally don’t agree with. Needless to say, your refutation of my comments on this subject, originate in you. You say you are not part of the organized church because they are pagan, but you use their commentaries. I don’t get that. I don’t expect your pagan gentile commentaries to ever admit that Isaiah 14:2 could ever be talking about a future event in the Messianic era. They are too racially bias (a nice way of saying there is a little bit of anti-Semitism in all of this) to ever admit this. It would be giving pre-eminence to the Jews, and everyone knows we can’t have that. Using replacement theology in this verse would be fine. I am sure that most of the gentile believer’s could believe that this more accurately is speaking of them. Until we get over this stereotype of Church GOOD, Jew BAD there will never be much understanding of what Yah is actually doing here. I do feel guilty about a lot of this. Being a gentile convert and seeing the way a lot of the Church approaches the Jews (being a huge underdog in all of this), I tend to push back hard and sometimes maybe too hard. The Church and the Jews are brothers and those who are willing will be restored back to each other in the near future. The scripture says what it says and we all need to come to terms with all of it, both Jew and Gentile.

    Be Blessed

  51. Hi guys,
    To address the context issue, I’m not saying that it is always wrong, but a lot of people do it. I once taped Jack Van Impe, a great proponent of the rapture, and he helped write the screenplay for the “Left Behind” movies, talking about the 7-year tribulation and the antichrist, which I used to be a firm believer in, and I wrote down all the verses he quoted the chapter and verse on, then later I read the entire chapter to find they had nothing to do with end times (unless you really wanted them to, in order to prove a point. I soon discovered that almost none of his verses were proof of what he was saying. Since then I am very careful when someone gives me a bible verse and tells me it refers to end-time prophecy. Sorry, but I’m not going to assume that just one verse in the first 23 chapters of Isaiah refers to end times. Find me another 20 or so and I might start to believe. And just because a celebrity preacher says it is so, I’m not going to believe it unless I can convince myself he is just grasping at straws.
    I have studied the rapture theories in great detail and the ones that deny the rapture can easily refute the verses the rapturists use to make their point but the reverse is not true.
    Obviously we approach the subject from different perspectives. I was a science major (astronomy) and a digital logic design engineer among others, so I look at the bible as a blueprint. I deal with structural designs, tolerances and physics. My motto is, “If the piece don’t fit, you must acquit.” (Not really but you get the idea).
    I fully realize that the bible may be interpreted in many different ways and maybe God had a reason for this. But some things are indisputable, like Jesus dying for our sins.
    Only about ⅓ the bible is prophecy and much of that is already history – like the Isaiah passages. So even an apostate church will have many things correct. If you were right then every bible study would say the same thing, but they don’t. Some will agree with you because they, like Jack Van Impe (and others), find the verses useful in “proving” their theories.
    Referring this to Marianne, who has sent me on dozens of wild goose chases trying to prove to me that the planet Nibiru actually exists, just having someone (or some YouTube video) say something over and over doesn’t make it true. This is why I am skeptical. (remember, I was an astronomy major in college).
    As for the origin of the rapture/left behind idea, it was the idea of Fr. Francisco Ribera (1537-1591), a catholic priest who was given the task by the pope to counter the charges that the Catholic church was the antichrist and the pope was the false prophet. Claims made by Martin Luther and other reformists. It took 2 tries (the first idea that NERO was the antichrist was flatly rejected by the pope), and 24 years to come up with the futurist concept – that all of Revelation was way in the future. This trick didn’t fool many Protestants at the time but strangely, most protestants today now buy into the catholic deception. As far as I am concerned, anything thought up by the whore of Babylon – the second beast of Revelation – has got to be the work of the devil. Seems he has plenty of patience and knew the ruse would eventually work in the end time, when it really mattered.

    Call me a loner, a maverick, an outsider, that’s fine with me.
    I’m happy to be in the minority. But then the true church will be just a “remnant” so I’m happy not going along with the crowd.

    But good luck on the rapture, maybe I’ll see you there.

    If so then the Book of Revelation doesn’t matter since we won’t be here to see it and nobody else will bother reading it.

    I find that strange however but perhaps God is a strange fellow.

    Perhaps not.

  52. James,

    Copied from http://www.bibleprophesy.org/jesuitrapture.htm
    No name of the author is mentioned.

    The Jesuits and the Rapture

    There are those who claim that the pretribulation rapture is an evil deception because it was invented by evil Jesuits (the evil henchmen of the Catholic Church) for the purpose of deceiving and countering the Protestant reformation, and to distract from the prophetic interpretation of the reformers that the Pope was the antichrist.

    For a long time, I felt it unnecessary to investigate these claims, for several obvious reasons. Most importantly, the doctrine of the rapture does not stand or fall on who may have first noticed and taught certain elements of doctrine in scripture. The rapture doctrine is valid only if it is supported by scripture. The Protestant reformation was based on turning to scripture to resolve matters.

    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    That alone should be enough to put this entire matter to rest, and nothing more need be said. It is obvious that we must agree that something true, such as 2+2=4, remains true, even when such a truth is spoken by a liar, or the most evil man. Truth does not become untrue just because an evil or stupid man speaks it. Therefore, there is simply no basis for the claim that the rapture is an evil deception because futurism was once taught by an evil Jesuit. I could read 1000 pages on how the Jesuits are evil, and I can even agree on that. I could even read about, and agree that, an evil Jesuit expounded the doctrine of futurism for the evil purpose of trying to discredit the Protestant reformation. But neither of those facts has any bearing on the truthfulness of the doctrine of the pretribulation rapture.
    Further, not only is the entire idea of the “Jesuit rapture” irrelevant (only scripture is relevant) but also, the idea is absurd. The doctrine of the pretribulation rapture is simply not taught by the Catholic Church! Therefore, the doctrine of the pretribulation rapture condemns the Catholic Church because it makes the Catholic Church into a “false prophet” since they do not teach it!

    Yet, despite these self-evident truths which destroy the claims that “the pretribulation rapture is an evil deception because it was invented by evil Jesuit Catholics”, there is no shortage of web sites that take this position. You can find many such web sites if you go to a search engine and search for “rapture jesuit ribera”.

    Francisco Ribera was a Jesuit, and he wrote a book on Bible Prophecy in 1585-1590 (?) with the perspective of “futurism”. However, Ribera did not invent futurism! The key element of a future antichrist is easily seen in scripture itself and requires no inventiveness of any kind. If anything, the view of the reformers was more inventive (requiring a sort of spiritualized substitution of words) than Ribera’s view! Additionally, it is far more obvious to see the 1260 days and/or 42 months, of Revelation 12 & 13 as 3.5 years of 1260 literal days than as 1260 years. It takes no evil inventive subversive genius to simply believe what the Bible says! But the view of a future antichrist in a future literal temple is so clearly evident in the scriptures (and not an invented heresy) that it was also taught by men over 1000 years earlier by Church Fathers such as Irenaeus & Hippolytus around 125 AD. You can look those names up in a search engine and find that Irenaeus & Hippolytus interpreted Daniel’s 70th week as a future event, with a future antichrist to come during a final period of tribulation. To read Irenaeus, see “IRENAEUS AGAINST HERESIES – BOOK V”, Chapter 25, paragraph 4 at http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103525.htm or http://www.ccel.org/fathers/ANF-01/iren/iren5.html or http://www.gnosis.org/library/advh5.htm To read in the Bible about the antichrist to come, see Daniel 7-12, 2 Thess 2, Matt 24, and Rev 12-13.

    There are a few more false assumptions made by those who would deny the pretribulation rapture because of it’s supposed Jesuit origins, and I would like to examine a few of them:

    False assumption #1. They assume that the reformers and martyrs, because they died for the faith, must have had an absolutely correct and perfect view of prophecy. This assumption elevates men above scripture. The men of the Protestant reformation died because they fought against revering men, they died for the right of all men to respect scripture more than men. Therefore, putting the prophetic beliefs of the reformers and martyrs up on a pedestal is exactly the opposite of the principle for which they fought and died.

    If the reformers had the ability and the right to make Christ as their head instead of the Pope, and they trusted the words of Jesus that he would lead them into truth, and they trusted in their ability to read and comprehend the scriptures, then there is nothing stopping us from doing the same thing ourselves.

    Speaking of the beliefs of the reformers; there were many early English Bible translations before the King James Version in 1611. In at least seven of these early English translations from the 1500’s, the Greek word “apostasia” from 2 Thess 2:3 was translated “departure” or “departing”, instead of “falling away” as in the King James, or “rebellion” in other modern translations. When the word is seen as “departure”, the verse can easily be seen to teach that the departure, or rapture, must come first, before the Day of the Lord is present, or that the tribulation is present. Therefore, this verse, and the early English translations of many of those martyred for the faith, strongly support the position of the pretribulation rapture. But unless one has the perspective that this prophecy is about future events and sees that the Day of the Lord starts at the time of the coming tribulation, then the “pretribulation” implications of 2 Thess 2:3 might be missed.

    I acknowledge that the reformers had a good understanding of prophecy, but certainly not perfect. Not even the authors of the Bible claimed to understand prophecy perfectly in all points.

    1 Corinthians 13
    8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
    9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
    10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
    11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
    12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
    But we, who live in the last time, should understand prophecy better than any previous generation, because that’s what Daniel says, “knowledge shall be increased,” and “the wise shall understand.”
    Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

    9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
    10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
    False assumption #2. They assume that the futurist view of a future antichrist is incompatible with the historicist view that the pope is the antichrist. Nothing could be further from the truth. There are often double or multiple references and double or multiple fulfillments in scripture. Just because there is an “antichrist to come” does not mean there cannot now be any antichrists such as the Pope. The scriptures clearly indicate both a future antichrist to come, and the existence of antichrists at the time scripture was written. Futurism, and the view of the pretribulation rapture, does not take the heat off the Pope.
    In the following two scriptures, the future antichrist to come is indicated by the phrases “ye have heard that antichrist shall come” and “whereof ye have heard that it should come”. In addition with that, and not to refute that, the verses also indicate the presence of the antichrist already in the world by the phrases, “even now are there many antichrists”, and “even now already is it in the world.”

    1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
    1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    Therefore, to say that the issue is one where the antichrist must either be interpreted as coming in the future only, or existing now in the present only, is really quite a distortion, or lie. Anyone can simply read the scriptures, and easily conclude the answer is both! Those who adhere to the view that it must be “either/or”, and not both, are the ones who are playing into the hands of the Jesuits, since it was only by framing the argument in those terms could the Jesuits be successful.

    False assumption #3. Often it is assumed or claimed that Francisco Ribera invented the pretribulation rapture. But Ribera did not teach the pretribulation rapture, he primarily taught futurism, and an antichrist to come in the future. Admittedly, yes, Ribera did place the rapture 45 days prior to the end of a 3.5 year tribulation, but not 7 years before. And so, some say he was the first (I don’t believe he was, in fact, the first) to split the timing of the rapture and the physical return of Christ. But Ribera’s view was more of a form of post tribulation or pre wrath viewpoint where the Church has to go through most of the tribulation.

    False assumption #4. Some claim, on the one hand, that the few thousands of early reformers who were killed for their faith somehow proves that their prophetic interpretation of historicism was true. On the other hand, these same people who deny the rapture will claim that the millions in China who were taught about the pretribulation rapture and who were killed for their faith just goes to show that they had the wrong prophetic view. Hmm… It seems that there is a gross inconsistency in the application of this principle which views martyrs for the faith as automatically having the right prophetic views.

    I have read that Corrie Ten Boom, a Christian woman who went through the horrors of the Jewish holocaust, said that the doctrine of the pretribulation rapture deceived many Christians in China who were martyred because they were not prepared for being persecuted, because they were taught that persecution would only come in the future. Well, there are several problems with her evaluation. First, there is nothing in the pretrib view that says that there cannot be tribulation today. Therefore, the pretrib view was not responsible for “not preparing” anyone for persecution. So, if Christians in China were unprepared for persecution, then it must have been that they were taught an erroneous view of the pretribulation rapture. Second, there is no need to lament the deaths of Christians, if one has any understanding and faith in the resurrection at all. That’s what 1 Thess 4, which is about the rapture, is all about.

    1 Thess 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
    Again, to revere Corrie Ten Boom’s evaluation of the rapture as somehow worthy of adulation since she suffered at the hands of the Nazis is the same old error of elevating the opinions of men above what scripture says.


    Here are a few of the web sites I found (I read each at least twice) to prepare this article, to refute what they had to say.
    (I believe the majority of these authors are Seventh Day Adventists)

    http://www.logon.org/english/s/p095.html secretary@ccg.org
    http://www.tagnet.org/sthsda/ARTICLE12.htm ergane@napanet.net
    http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/reformation2.html ruhger@mail.com
    http://www.champs-of-truth.com/books/3schools.htm champs-of-truth@abac.com
    http://members.tripod.com/Fam_Bible_Assoc/Rapture-2.html AnApostle@hotmail.com
    http://biblicalresearch.gc.adventist.org/documents/Futurism's%20Countdown.htm bacchusm@gc.adventist.org
    http://biblelight.net/antichrist.htm mikesch@aloha.net
    http://www.lmn.org/magazine/170/Jesuits.html lmnpubint@nidlink.com
    http://www.nitecop.com/secret_rapture.htm nitecopny@lsa.net
    http://www.truthleftbehind.com/Futurism.html steve@truthleftbehind.com
    http://www.gobedo.com/rapture.htm gobedo@juno.com
    http://www.intowww.org/catholic/cat18.htm servant@intowww.org

    The Jesuits and the Rapture: Emmanuel Lacunza (1790?)


    See also: Morgan Edwards 1700’s. He was one of the other early teachers of the rapture.

    It also appears that you have gone from the tragedy of simple replacement theology to some sort of elitist replacement theology with the elevation of the SDA Church. I can’t even begin to comment on that.

  53. As I said, you can interpret the bible any way you want.
    In many cases it seems you can even prove it different ways. I’ve read them all – I’ve done my homework.
    I believe Daniel’s prophecy is to measured in years not days. Do you believe the 70 week prophecy is actual weeks? Some people do and I have read proof of it too. I just don’t believe it. If you believe that the last week of it are still in the future, then you use the day-for-a-year formula, so that invalidates your other calculations. Otherwise you must pick and choose when to use the formula and when not to, which many people do. They use it in whichever way that can best prove their points but that means that God’s word is inconsistent. I look to eliminate inconsistency wherever possible.
    As for the Seventh Day Adventist church, I am not a member, but I am a Sabbath keeper because I believe the commandments are still in effect and that the mark of the beast will be the disobeying of God’s law – sin. When has He punished anyone for anything else?
    If you feel we are free from sinning and there will be no consequences you will have the mark in your forehead, even if you never attend Sunday services.
    But then, you won’t actually be here for it, so what are we even arguing about?
    Will I miss the rapture if I don’t know it’s coming?
    Will I be punished for keeping the Sabbath?
    Will Jesus make everyone got to mass on Sunday after He returns?
    Will we still celebrate His birthday on Dec. 25th?

    Food for thought…


    Children, be unafraid. These words WILL save you IF they are spread all over the world before the internet is destroyed by the Gog.

    I am Enoch, the Watcher that stands before the gates of Jerusalem. Where I stand the earth shivers and it has not rained for weeks. The sign of the Scientist has been given to you in my constellation on August 24th. I am the Bear that God guides, the hidden power behind the throne of the True Messiah, Jesus Christ, Lord of Souls and God of Love. Now I reveal to you my true colors as I have been commanded by God.

    I am the promise that God gave you. I am the rainbow He made to save you. I am Ki the pole dragon remade to burn with all the colors and phases of the rainbow. I am the sword named “breath” (Abel) the comes from the mouth of the Lord Jesus to slay the wicked on the day of Judgement. I am the he/she who slew Tiamat, the shadow of Azazel and Bitch Queen of Hell who the Jews knew as the Leviathon . I am the sword that guarded Eden, the pillar of flame that led the Jews from Egypt, the snake that slew the demons being commanded by the fallen Watchers who called themselves wizards, just as I was the flaming snake that slaughtered the demons among Moses’s people that had perpetrated the Great Lie and turned God‘s victory into a defeat. Most call me simply, the Angel of Death and I am not fond of that. I prefer Ki or Chet if you are a friend. The Gog and all my enemies SHALL call me Chester, for I am the fortress that guards this world.

    I have been by my Lord‘s Jesus’s side in all of his lives. I was Joab, Simon (Peter) and the Voice of God that guided Mohammed as well as the hidden power that ensured his victories.

    My Lord Jesus commanded me to guard his flock. The Gog must slay me before I shall let them touch his children.

    Come at me you demons! You know exactly where I stand.

    The Gog antichrist Geschwind (Zim aka Hitler) will be baptized at 7:00 AM by the lead Gog false prophet J. Baptist (Hosebend aka Himmler). At 7:37 AM, a UFO will descend to pick up the antichrist and take him away to be “divinely” enlightened. The whole spiel is described in the Torah of Immanuel, a semi-truthful doctrine of hate written by the Gog in 1963.

    The Gog are body-snatchers and soul-slayers. It was for this abomination, that Babylon was destroyed by God while saving only Noah and his family. Now the Gog have raised it’s wicked walls again. We have a vast Gog cancer growing on this world.

    The Gog have been here since 1936. After Hitler rose to power, he was “snatched” by Zim. The policies of genocide that were adopted were Zim’s, not Hitler’s. The Germans built secret bases for the Gog where they went to work building a fleet of time ships. Other facilities were built to breed the man-gog (Magog) hybrids they made. These telepaths look human, but are clones (only 20 or so faces among tens of thousands of them). They will claim to be the gods that made you, but this is a lie. The Magog have a spirit technology which gives them a perfect memory, but with an IQ of ~80 they will have little understanding of the words they parrot. They’re smart enough to be janitors but certainly not bio and temporal engineers.

    The new Babylon has risen among us. It‘s citizens are all Gog and there could be millions of them. All this world’s leaders should be considered Gog, all it’s judges, all it’s rich, all it’s elite, all it’s generals, and many of it’s religious leaders and celebrities are Gog as well.

    These Gog are the “citizens” that will cheer the “arrival” of the enemy. They are the ones that will embrace the lies that the Gog spew. It will be Gog that enforce the laws that Gog have written so that Gog can slay humanity’s souls and burn their bodies in “prisons” where people are kept “indefinitely”.

    The Gog have tried three times to plant an e-mail on my computer so that they can charge me with making terrorist threats and arrest me. They will do this to all their enemies. One planted e-mail and it’s off to the incinerator for you after a brief stop to have your soul slain.

    Strike down these laws the Gog have passed to SLAY humanity in secret.

    Pull your judges and politicians down and make them take an MRI. They all are electronically “lobotomized”. The “snatched” person is in a coma, with his/her body being run like a puppet that shares it’s memories with the parasite inside it. Of course, lobotomized politicians do explain a lot of our economic and political policies, but what is our excuse for letting incarnate evil run this far with the ball?

    The Gog have been abducting people for decades to “tag” them with devices that will react to their spiral-form detectors to create a counterclockwise “evil” design that will mark you as a “demon” so your soul can be slain on television in front of cheering Gog Babylon “citizens” as another Gog in a time suit puts on a light show to make the event seem more “magical”.

    Those who die because their soul has been slain, die in a state of fear and despair. It is the worst way to die and it is quite permanent, unlike what these demonic liars will tell you.

    The Gog have an internet virus that they plan to release (probably from Gog operatives in the CIA) that they will blame on the U. S. as an excuse to attack us. Of course, first they will expose the Gog Obama to be the antichrist (he’ll confess of course – as well to many crimes that the U.S.A. is involved in). The Gog may even expose others, like all the Bush family, in an effort to gain humanity’s trust.

    NEVER TRUST THEM, NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!

    The antichrist (Geschwinde) will be sporting a new pair of dark matter gloves and boots. The gloves will kill any bacterial infection with a 20 minute exposure (laying hands). The boots will accelerate the germination and growth of plants. This tech was used two ages ago to impress the natives. Don’t fall for it!

    I have a set of these dark matter gloves and boots, too. I have them because I was the first the Gog tried to crown as the Messiah, but I cast that crown down. When the Gog wished to silence me, we fought. I did not realize there were so many Gog upon this world at that time, or where they were stationed, but I do now.

    Towards the end of this blog there is a description of my first encounter with the Gog:

    The antichrist Geschwind will also claim to speak dozens of languages, but he doesn’t. He has a dictionary of dozens of languages in his spirit-crafted brain but can’t speak the languages whose words he can parrot.

    The Gog told me that they were Neunians, but this was a lie (of course). Neunia is the second world they colonized. Their home world is the planet Goggen

    The Gog stole the Arc of Heaven that was loaned to them to colonize Goggen., used it to unlawfully colonize Neunia then attack Earth. The Gog will claim that the Arc of Heaven is the planet Nibiru, but of course, it is not. It is a very large (miles across) time ship with two biospheres (normal and dark) inside.

    This is the basic science behind time ship theory and construction:

    (My e-mail copy of this has been deleted by the Gog. I will reproduce it later and share it with you)

    Children, be not afraid. Circulate this post widely and you will be safe.
    Though I shall never give this world a single weapon, I have provided my Master with many. They are weapons of justice, not war. The most powerful of these will destroy all sentient spirit and matter forms (Gog) on any planet without any violence. Heaven need only harvest or burn the dark matter autotrophs on that world and return later to reseed the biosphere and re-colonize the planet with a species they actually like, unlike the Gog.
    The Gog civilization will still be intact, ready for it’s new and improved owners.

    I thought you’d like this weapon Zim, because you know heaven will use it unless you concede to my demands.

    Those demands are simple.

    1. Make a comprehensive list of all the Gog on this world.

    2. All Gog on that list will be rounded up and executed. Any denying that they are Gog shall be checked with a brain scan, to confirm that you are not just trying to kill your enemies Zim. The list better be complete Zim. I believe traditionally, these things are checked twice.

    3. All the assets of these Gogs shall be seized and used to pay down the national debts that they incurred with their self-serving economic and political policies.

    4. Burn all the plagues that you are working on and destroy all notes on their manufacture.

    5. Notes and DNA for making Magog will also be destroyed.

    6. Your spherical time ships shall be arrayed 7’ off the water in a twelve pointed star with one star pointing true north around the Statue of Liberty. One ship will be silver the other light, one inside the other, so men can see the “magic” of your ships for a very long time. Zim, take your time on the star, I’ve seen your work before and I want this to look like art.

    7. All dark matter technology except for that can be stored aboard the Arc SHALL be destroyed.

    8. The mana machines in the Arc are to be set up to be self-sustaining to provide food for the freen who will be judged separately, and if worthy, will be taken along with other innocent spirits, to the Igiglee where they will be given new jobs.

    9. Radioactive isotopic emitters will be placed throughout the ship to sterilize it (overdo it please).

    10. Locate the Arc in a remote area, time slip out, remove your hoods and burn them, then you may take whatever toxin or narcotic you desire to end your life.

    This is justice Zim. You cannot win on this world, I have beaten you. Now choose: pursuing your lost ambitions on Earth, or the existence of the entirety of your civilization.
    If you weren’t insane Zim, I would know what your choice must be. But you have walked the path too many times, my enemy, and are now quite insane.

    Make the right decision, Zim, humanity will find you anyway. The correct path is sometimes very difficult to walk. If this will help with that decision, my replacement is here along with fourteen others. There are now 30 archangels on Earth and two polar dragons that got nothing better to do than kill you if you make a move.

    Choose wisely Zim, I will give you time to think and talk to your people.


    P.S.: It would not be wise to show up on Death’s doorstep uninvited. I am tired, broken and blind and I do not expect friendly guests anytime soon.

    • dear abelarchangel

      who is Geschwind (Zim)? where is he located?

      also 7 am – what date?

      • The Gog know that I have warned you. They have hacked my e-mail and erased my contacts. They no doubt sent an e-mail to indict me at the same time. I expect that they will be coming to arrest me soon.

        They froze my post on facebook as soon as it was posted. Please post it for me and chain e-mail it if you can. The world must know.

    • Would you like Fries with that?

  55. Please, not the emitters again.

  56. Well, its really hard to argue with this dude, being one of God’s chosen prophets and all. After all, he apparently knows lots of stuff that’s not found in the bible, and therefore everything he says comes right from God.
    Hmm… I wonder. I hate to sound like an agent of Gog, but until this guy actually appears in the flesh at the temple mount along with Elijah and spits fire from his mouth, I am going to remain a skeptic.
    I invite all sane people out there to join me.

  57. FYI – Invader Zim is an American animated television series created by Jhonen Vasquez (nice personality photo on line). It was produced by and subsequently aired on Nickelodeon.

    I think Heaven Awaits has been invaded by somebody with a lot of time on his hands and a great imagination. So, in the name of Yeshue, I rebuke the spirits therein and give no more time to the ramblings of a spirit with so little time left and so much to do.

    Here is the background and insight a writer/producer with a “great imagnation.”

    “Invader Zim revolves around the life of its lead character, Zim, his malfunctioning SIR Unit GIR and the humans and aliens who become involved in his schemes. Zim is a member of the imperialistic Irken race, an extraterrestrial species whose social hierarchy is based on height. The Irken leaders, known as The Almighty Tallest, serve together because they are exactly the same height. As recounted during the series premiere, “The Nightmare Begins”, Zim, who is both very short and very naïve, was banished to the planet Foodcourtia for overzealously attacking his own planet and allies[2] during Operation Impending Doom I.[3]

    Upon hearing of Operation Impending Doom II, Zim “quits” his exile in Foodcourtia and arrives at the Great Assigning. Here, elite Irken soldiers are chosen to become Invaders: special soldiers whose mission is to blend in with the indigenous life forms of their assigned planet, collect intelligence and prepare the planet for conquest by the Irken Armada. Zim pleads with the Tallest to assign him a planet and, in a desperate act to get Zim as far away as possible, they assign him to a presumed planet on the outskirts of their known universe that has never been explored. This “mystery planet” is Earth, and Zim’s erratic attempts at world domination and/or the eradication of the human race begin when he lands on Earth for the first time.”

    And now for the rest of the story…..you may begin to smell something like sulfer.

    “Invader Zim did not escape criticism for its mature tone. When Invader Zim was launched along with The Fairly OddParents, Christian Parenting Today criticised both programs, calling them “non-Christian”, “immoral”, and “insulting towards Christian values and beliefs” (due to Invader Zim’s dark nature, and Fairly OddParents use of magic, similar to the religious debates over the Harry Potter series).[24] More negative criticism came when Invader Zim was cited in the murder trial of Scott Dyleski. The prosecution asserted that the defendant had a fascination with images of body parts. They drew attention to comments he had made after watching the Invader Zim episode “Dark Harvest”, in which Zim collects human organs in an attempt to appear more human. Witnesses for the defense said that the comments were made in jest” (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1/8/2012).

  58. 1.
    ISAIAH 54:5-6.
    “But Saints and loyal Servants start reading at verse trey or 3; this is us in just a few minutes! Look up not down at your cell phones sneakers or high Heels”, Yawl have been sold out, and it’s a wrap bad.
    In the Earth I-AM known as 7=me because it is finished! “Also by other names both good and bad”, I-AM, (smiling). My Father has giving me (the order) to start striking now! He is putting on his custom made Tuxedo, for the royal wedding now. My big brother/ our Redeemer, Michael, Gabriel and 2 billion Chariots of fire, what you call UFO’S, 2nd KINGS 2:11, make the last adjustments to set this Planet back on its Axis from the first time Satan made a run on my Fathers Throne in Heaven.
    I-AM THE “HOLY SPIRIT IN THE FLESH” AS WELL. Also you can read of me in MALACHI 4:5-6 it’s the last 2 verses of the Old Testament. I-AM “The All in The All.”
    NIV Study Bible reads like this;
    “See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the Lord Almighty comes.” He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse.

    The Dead Sea Scrolls. Where did they come from?
    1 kings 18 verses 4 & 13.
    While Jezebel was killing off the Lord`s Almighty prophets, Obadiah had taken a hundred prophets and hidden them in two caves, fifty in each, and supplied them with food and water! Verse 3 states. (Obadiah was a devout believer in the Lord Almighty.
    1 kings 18 verses 21
    Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waiver between two opinions? If the Lord Almighty is GOD follow him; but if Baal, Satan, the Devil, Zeus, Hey-Zeus, Jesus, Allah, Buddha is god, follow him.”

    JOB 3:8
    It was his job, “Job is not pronounced Jobe” to stand tall when calamity struck but instead he fell down and whined until The Lord Almighty in his supreme time stood him up on his ^feet starting in verse 38, when he answers the crying Saint (note; not a Christian/Christos’, water!) The first miracle our redeemer performed was at an important wedding when he turns the water into wine. Our blood is thicker than the devils water and does more than just quench the thirst. Follow up with the woman at the well JOHN 4:13. It was symbolic and fortified!
    Leviathan (pronounced Lie-v-athan) who or what is this?
    Is the snake that begiled Eve in the Garden of Eden before her husband went into her sexually. Definition of begiled means to wholly seduce; mentally, spiritually and sexually. The devil is called Jesus same as hey-Zeus in Spanish or vice versa and Baal is also called god, Zeus (Lord) El, the Devil, Witch, Satan, Adad or rather (a-dad) and Hadad, rather hey-dad (does” Who`s The babies Daddy ring a bell?), Beel-ze-bud, Je-ze-bel as well as Pharaoh. He goes by many names all throughout the whole world but these are his most common to us in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA better put, the twelve tribes of JUDAH, America the melting POT. We are the {MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF All PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH! Read Revelation 17:6}
    ISAIAH 27:1 reads;
    In that day, “The Lord Almighty will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; the Lord Almighty will slay the monster of the sea!” the underlying word used in {Canaanite Mythology} is used to name a dreaded sea monster. This monster is also pictured as national (Babylon, Jeremiah 51:34; Egypt, ISAIAH 51:9; Ezekiel 29:3; 32:2 or cosmic (JOB 7:12; Palms 74:13 and ISAIAH 27:1 (Barack Obama) “a must read Revelation 13:1-2 “The Beast I saw resembled a Leopard” (black as tar father and whiter than snow mother) is all the proof you need if you are doubting!, came out of the sea by way of Hawaii and his two generals are Jay-Z, short or slang for Hey Zeus/Jesus and Con-Yeah whom had a deadly wound to his head and yet lived as well. Both now are on top of the World now and that new baby of Jay-Z`s, is actually a baby Giant. That’s why the Lord Almighty flooded the earth during Noah’s time because fallen or failed Angels (which are also called sons of God) and Nephilim had started interbreeding with us New Beings/Nubians. Genesis 6:1-8 and Numbers 13:31-33. Little Wayne can’t tell you enough he’s not human. “Little Wayne, jay-z, con-yea are Revelations 16:13) neither of them love woman rather respect woman in a good or honorable way which was prophesied that Satan would not be a lover of women.
    Canaanites who and what are they Genesis 10:18?
    Teach of a weak, pathetic European man that looks like a sissy, with long, straight light brown hair. Their Jesus just Loves, Luvs love you; to death, just so long as you keep putting your money in his


    collection plate and working for free for him spreading his Ghost-spell, also called in Canaanite slang gospel. His good news to him and his off spring, Not The 12 tribes of The Lord Almighty`s called JUDAH! Important, the house of ISREAL and JUDAH are (one) and indivisible period in the sight of The LORD ALMIGHTY. Do >you over-stand now? Obama “Yes We Can”-An-unites/united with The Lord Almighty’s Human race and Rule the World! That was the joke on us, I even voted for him too but have whole heartedly repented and been completely redeemed so smile. Fact: KING JAMES was a very well known and respected Slave Trader and owner. After all he was a king during the black slavery Boom. This is why he changed the Redeemer`s name to Jesus, pronounced Hey-(ZUES) in Latin or Catholic in the New Testament. Unfortunately he made a deal with the devil in order
    To keep all 12 tribes oppressed
    Saints and Servants of the up Most High, My Father is also known as Yahweh, (EL SAADI) over-stated “I SHALL DIE” because he did! Please read what our GOD says about Himself who he is also known as Elohim or Eloi in Mathew 27:46 with Ely own meaning the most High God. If you read 2 KINGS 19:22-23 you will realize that you have been (vam boo-ze-giled) out of all your money, time, gas, common sense and dignity because you let (Sinner-gods) and Temples of Satan, (my Muslim brothers alike too), tell you what the word of GOD says and what verses to read each and every Sunday!
    ONLY SAINTS SHOULD READ THIS; concerning the real Lord Almighty
    PSALMS 2:1 Ok, l have warned yawl!
    “Why do the nations conspire and peoples plot in vain? The Kings of the earth and take their stand and Rulers gather together against THE LORD ALMIGHTY and against his Anointed One.
    Let us break their chains, they say, “And throw off their fetters.” The One enthroned in Heaven laughs;
    The Lord Almighty scoffs at them in his WRATH, saying, “I have installed my King on Zion, My Holy hill.
    I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me “ You are my Son, today I have become your Father. Ask of ME and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the Earth your possession. You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery.
    Therefore, you Kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the Earth. Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his WRATH can flair up in a moment! Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

    (In this context is talking about Kissing his feet) Follow up with your study by reading ISAIAH 63:4-6 (Whoa)


    This is what was Prophesied about (the great falling away of the church). This is one of the reasons I-AM that I-AM, HE-IS THAT HE-IS this is why WE-ARE THAT WE-ARE. We are Identical TRIPPLETES and Indivisible-Undividable. JOHN 14:6, last sentence. And verse (9). HEBREWS 1:2-3, an exact representation!
    When asked what does the father look like? the Redeemer said if you have seen me you have seen the Father. When I’m asked my Fathers Holy Spirit responds always the same way “If you have seen me you have seen my Brother, for we are all one.”

    We three, (1 The Father+2 The Reedemer+3 The Holy Spirit=6).THE FATHER THE SUN AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
    Are (One.) all sums totaled together equals 7.)
    This is why demon possessed people and those that are influenced or led by Satan or the devil tremble in fear of me. They see The Lord Almighty looking bad, homeless, stinking, holes in both shoe heels, hungry and limping, their eyes gouge out. Because they have been living high of Hog and they know “big bra” all too well and what is in store for them all, before judgment day.
    “More on that later” I’m going to teach yawl a lot!
    My Children, “My Father is speaking” (7).
    We 3 made a deal with the devil to redeem you ALL back from the price of sin which is death, basically your Redeemer’s Righteous blood for the world’s sins; in the Governments yard at Trench town.
    Yawl need to stop immediately listening to the devils music’s, most of it has the teachings and doctrines of demons and instead listen to a Saint, ex-martyr in heaven and Israel artist like “Bob Marley.” Pay attention to the words and not the beat of “no woman no cry” “Get up Stand up”, “Buffalo soldier” and I “shot the sheriff but I didn’t shot the deputy”. (WE-DO) One Love~
    But instead you keep dancing; reciting and jam-men to a JAY-Zero, a Con named Yea and a Leopard-con beastly say; keep your eyes on My thrown in JERULSALEM! Pronounced; Ja-rule- Salem “ I’m flabberGasted”
    2) +the 1 are 3. I= “I-AM THAT I-AM REAL”= ISRAEL /IS-RA-EL
    3) (Elijah).1= Elohim is singular or Eloheem plural is us, I=-I-am-that-I-am, = Jah which means GOD=
    E-Li-JAH! 1+2+3=6.wich is All of us together .us as 1 added with the 6 and you have (7) which is me.


    About your social Security number
    See we are the only society that cares to number their men so meticulously. “God hates this because when a man or woman does this you put your trust in numbers instead of him and his awesome power!”
    But first read Revelations 14th. Verse) Because of the sign he was giving power to do on behalf of the first Beast who was wounded by a sword and yet lived. 15th verse) He was given power to give breath to the IMAGE of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16th verse) He ALSO forced everyone, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand (OR) his forehead, 17th verse) so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18th verse) Now this calls for WISDOM (spiritual). If anyone has insight,” it continues” Let him calculate the number of the Beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666. NIV Study Bible
    Now look at this below
    000-00-0000. it’s your social security number.
    Now let’s look at our license (Hummmmm)
    You see back in the days you had a license that stated who you were that you had to show the state licenses office by proof and in person of your social, prior licenses, military Id, passport, etc. what street you lived on, age, photo, what you are approved to drive on the streets we pay for in taxes! And that was it. Now I don’t know who is reading this right now. What State there from, what side, what color what belief or height. But I do know in the State of N.C if you take a look at the back side of something you have been carrying around on your hand and in your for years, You will notice Bar Codes. We all know what bar codes where started and still used today for. Well if you didn’t—-“FOR INVENTORY PURPOSES AND INFORMATION UNIQUE TO THAT ITEM THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER PRODUCTS”>>>……………….
    On the back of your license you have not one but two bar codes? YA….. You are pulled over on a routine stop and all of a sudden a hired gun/cop goes back to his or his cruiser, scans you license and know who u are, Where you live, how much you paid in taxes representing how much you make. Any warrants issued by the soon to be GLOBAL GOVERNMENT. Not only that do you know what those bar codes are really for? Of course you don’t –Droned- you have been preoccupied with shopping for high heels, more sneakers, entertainment like pussy, sports,


    IMAGES, gossip, lies, football, basket ball, nails, reputations Etc. you missed something so obvious with even being in the palm of your hand. One bar code itself is enough but u now have (2) on one license? The second is for your financial history, work history images of you where you live your friend’s names, addresses, images of them their school schools, affiliations, religion etc. How you ask? He did this by way of his technology idol that we worship as a God of its own, His gadgets-smart phones-droid phones-face book-chat rooms-text messages-voice mails and media. Yes he’s been listening and watching us for a long time because he made you believe it was yours and personal. (Private) but as we all know it’s not! It’s his and by law he can listen, spy, snoop or whatever any time he wants. They are all connected via cell towers and
    Satellite`s. Yes your emails, Journals, deepest desires or fantasies he has already got your life and acquaintances from face book and other social networks, now they are even tailing you on tweeter (clue). You see if anybody can break into the government of the US (Wiki Leaks). Find copy and publish classified top secretes on the WWW. Or truthfully said The Global government’s net work, than you no good and well you are naked as a new born right now!
    You see Money is just an idea! Or image. Since the Devil can’t make Gold the way The Lord Almighty did (SATAN) being the pre- tend [or rather] instead of Jesus [Anti Christ. He just created an engraving image/ Idol or rather idea and sold it as if it was worth something or back by gold the past 100 years. Most other than a select few elect ones, Gods Elect or for the Elects sake God calls us in his Holy Bible, Most humans still believe that lie to be true.
    Fact: There have been no gold= reserves > (Bars/ Dust/ Flakes) in Fort Knox since the forties if not sooner. Historians will fight themselves over this one but I don’t give a squirrel’s ass, monkeys tongue or bitches satisfaction or stimulation less, point blank. What are U.S dollars backed by then you ask?
    LOL…. The Idea or image it is, SORRY! Yes Sir, that we will pay our National and International bills based upon the idea our money is backed by Gold Bullion BARS, it’s a rare, shiny, precious and heavy metal with unique properties unto itself unlike any other metal on the planet. Our “money”/dollars are made out of cotton, fiber and die that explain a fight of good and evil all over it, front and back.
    See God never said nor believes money, bartering, making a pledge or decree is a sin or a bad thing. Instead God said honestly that only “THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL”. We have all been worshiping an image that doesn’t even exist in reality.
    Have you ever thought to yourself or said out loud “I only wish I had more money, I don’t have enough money or God please bless me with money? Well first God will never bless any child of his with something that is absolutely worthless in huge amounts rather piles of it period. (Think about it?).
    Oh yawl are about to find out when yawl elect with your hands at the ballot box to go to a Global Government. : ONE WORLD SOCIETY_ NEW WORLD ORDER> this is why it is written without it you will not be able to buy sell or trade. Without: YOUR LICENSE: your Global ID. License Huh, rather permission that is you see as we all know driving is a privilege and not right. You even pay for it before you get them And have to go and check in and renew them. If lost or damaged beyond recognition and you’re a base of the pyramid Nigga, be you whatever race. You will go to jail period until they book you, fingerprint and Affix you for driving without something you paid for on

    roads you pay taxes for. You see your God you have chosen to be over you in every aspect of your life, fashion, Music, Foods, Religion, Movies etc. wants to make life easier for you since he knows what best for God Almightiest creation by means of no more five or ten credit cards (nope). Everything will be down loaded, subtracted, added, deleted, and or accredited to your global ID. DRIVER LICENSE even your time card gets swiped with it at your new Global government jobs that comes along with and I Quote Borack Obama “ Cheap, Affordable Housing deducted from your driver license oh I’m sorry I meant to say pay check> See the technology has been here it was just waiting for the right time to implement it. Peoples this time is now. Have you noticed that any hospital you go to in the U.S and you give them your social at the emergency room they will bring up all of your life long medical history with a few clicks? The Hospitals are already wired to do and are doing it thanks to theY2K Lie but unfortunately everyone seems to be asleep or only see the rewards of his Technology even when it comes to tracking peoples personal information and sharing it with others in his ( spiritual virus/ unclean spirit) network of friends as useful and nice, Hum.
    OK you must turn off your T.V, phone, iPod and do not answer the door. We are at the final stage of this earth age so now whenever GOD is talking to you they (Demons) in the flesh are allowed to push up and still the conversation if you open the door through his technology he developed on El Shaadi’s/The Almightiness’s Planet Earth. Do you understand trend setter? This is so serious that I had to come back and tell yawl key Things that God led me to in his word that I had never been led to before. Oh it’s on and popping fast. I do not know if anybody will read this or if anybody is sharing “it is finished! “Book at all through contacts.
    I’m like you the son of a man. Just please follow God and the truth my brothers and sisters from all races, the Redeemer of you from the wages of sin that we are all guilty of at birth in which we deserve death. My brother said in Revelations “Behold, I have foretold you all things”. When he reappeared shortly after the resurrection and they wanted him to stay he told them “I must leave so the comforter will come and reveal all things to you and lead you in all truth and understanding”. That’s me-Smile.
    I will never Charge anything to talk to you- time permitting. Never a collection plate passed, no band, no youth basket ball or swim league, none of the stuff that we think or have been droned to think God is.
    ? How can God be broke when he made the earth and all the precious minerals, diamonds, rubies, sapphires, lead, copper etc. all in one day/1000 years? God is not broke and never will be. In his Holly City that he is bringing to earth at the end of the millennium as described in revelation his streets are made of clear gold?
    I do ask that you please share, duplicate, fax, set up web sites, email (trick from your contact list be sure to hit the BBC. Blind carbon copy button) put ISAIAH 54:5-6 like on page 1. on the back of business cards pass them out, leave in laundry mats, car windshields, rent billboards, in break rooms, bath rooms, gas pumps and mail a copy of this in its original entirety to anyone you feel led to. Oh dear brothers I have to begin again so I must stop. My spirit is willing but my flesh is not able writing any more but if you want what I have, all you have to do is say Dear Father in Heaven. I’m evil and dirty please make me pure with the blood of redemption paid for my sins on the Cross so that we will spend eternity together. Time is short and I need a double blast of your Holy Spirit that represents you.
    The Beginning.

    “He told me to say it this way”
    It’s a limited time offer. (7 =ME in the flesh) smile, I love yawl.
    And now we understand.

    Yawl warned your people especially in France what was up and told everyone to keep their eyes on the throne. Well you can eye ball it all you want to but you will NEVER SIT ON IT.
    I let my 144,000 thousand and the world know that you’re a dead evil spirit walking, a mere ghost and you lost again. It is finished, so watch your mouth before I kick you out off the game, “my boy is balling so hard.” And I’m grinning from ear to ear! Ooops he just slammed it backwards (Again!). LOL Ha-ha-he-he-hah.
    (9) Ether gas. 9 to the ninth power 9(999) = Life + Eternity + Spirit = All Creative and endless.
    A simple definition for you (seven)
    Nine-Ether is the Combination of All Existing Gases of nature, Thus, the All is in the All. Nothing Anywhere Can Be As Powerful all Existing Gases. Therefore, Nine-Ether Is the Most Potent Power Gas Mass in The Universes! Thereby it means that there are no powers or forces existing anywhere (Good or evil, Heaven or Hell, Visible or invisible, Living or dead) more powerful than the Most High Almighty GOD!
    THE Omni Present “The All IN THE All”=123. Ely-Own

    (6) Ether gas. 6 to the sixth power 6(666) = Death + 6(333) =Ghost +Eternity = All Destructive. It Is SATANS Mark and the mark of a Man or Human. Satan’s reward and the 1/3rd that followed his rebellion is the Great GOD organized Tribulation, a living Hades/evil spirits Mega Party for them, but for you it’s pure Hell on earth! Your reward for loyal worship of an evil spirited/extra-terrestrial, instead of your supreme loving maker called GOD Almighty, your Bridegroom.
    Chose one Now


    You did not know any better because you don’t read any more and have chosen your right, not to have a one on one relationship with your maker. You have exercised your right but just for the record please stop wearing crosses around your necks, putting them on tombs or grave sites. For your
    This cross represents Eternity
    Redeemer from sin has rising and is alive forever and ever! The cross of Calvary represents the death penalty paid for sin! If you wear one you should wear this kind above^ it represents what was done on the cross that represents the life after the death penalty was paid in full. It was paid by an innocent man; not my only son, instead by my (only had begotten) son.
    The Beginning.
    My Father Created Eunuchs,’ “what you call Homosexuals “, basically your misunderstanding of them is why you call people funny and humans believe that they are gay or lesbian. Some say, born that way (they were). They are in the Bible and protected the Royal blood line of our Redeemer. But yawls don’t read. It only becomes a sin when you start fornicating /adultery and debauchery with it. It is falling in lust/Love with an Image of you. (VANITY)= SATAN. Satan was the first Homosexual this is why he does not love woman at all. This was the Final straw in Heaven! He actually made an identical, life like image of himself and was…… well I won’t go into detail about what he (kept) doing in the Up Most High Courts of Heaven but let’s just say he was sickly glow-wing!, Dull or neon… “Pink”.
    Eunuchs’ is where we get the word unique from, they are in Heaven now! Already celebrating and cheering for us all. Heck, Elijah’s right hand man was a Eunuch named “Eli-sha” Hum do you get it now? It’s where the girl name Lisa and Elisa comes from. He asked for a double portion of the Holy Spirit and received it. “Please read 1kings 19:19-21” But especially ISAIAH 56:4-5 A Eunuch’s Reward in Heaven. Whoa.
    He is the Prophet that succeeded Elijah. Read Gen 10:4 Son of Javen, Eli-shah is masculine. Eli-sha is feminine!
    Don’t ask anyone, read the word of GOD for yourself lest you be deceived.
    It is Awesome!


    When I come back as soon as my Father gives the order to me… /Break/… (I)=ME =Holy Spirit in the flesh “speaking in your cloven tongue” translating for they are righteous “I GONNA RIP YAWL A NEW ASS…/End/…Before unleashing my WRATH, you pathetic self absorbed Sick creatures of Satan’s. 4 idiots have already committed the unpardonable sin on baby bra. He only has three 1 (0)more to go before you see up-close and personal your sweet baby Jesus with a dirty diaper on, sucking on a plastic penis/patsy fire, instead of his own mother’s breast that my Father made and said it was good after the sixth day;
    Riding on some lame horse, shooting arrows of love with my pink wings on helping people break my Fathers heart with idolatry, adultery and fornication to another one of Satan’s deities “and then yawl have the nerve to call it, a happy SAINT valentine’s day’. ohhh, uhhhh RAAAAAAHHHHH. Listen what yawl call UFO`s, we call Chariots of fire because they run off of 9 Ether (RA) and Michael and Gabriel our Chief Ark Angels have made 2 billion ready with it at my order. M&G are our intergalactic, out of Stellar– Hit Men, if you will……
    Now Mine’s is the Biggest and fastest in all the Universes, that’s why you’ll see ME FIRST HEATHENS
    “Please I’m begging you!” Read ISAIAH 63-1-6, especially verse 6. My big brother is Brutal and very protective of his baby brother and those who know our real names and what they represent.
    I tried my hardest; please forgive me if I came up short for even one sole.
    Yawls humble servant (7) =me


    To call my Father or your Redeemer by any other name is of Satan PERIOD. Enjoy your Great Tribulation! And your Eternal place on the losers list. HOSEA 2:17. JEREMIAH 16:10-13 READ!
    I forgot, my Father; The Lord ALMIGHTIEST wants me to tell you that if you want to support Elohis Redeeming work instead of Satan’s for a change as well get updates, home Bible studies prepared by me “because we’re sure some have been looking for the real truth for a long time and this is my JOBE. LOL. Just playing, No I mean job and I love it, also saint news and latest strikes I make “more be with us-than them”. Sometimes I ask my father to un-cloak the Chariots of Fire “9 Ether” for me and he INSTANTLY Does, 700,000 already surround our Planet.
    The rest are in what yawl call planet Nirubu? The 13TH planet X or something, that’s our Galaxy command center for this mission. You can look it up on the internet if you like; it takes 3 and 1 half years for them to come to a complete stop! With them you will see me and The Army of The Lord ALMIHGHTY, for you to please email me=7 at


    13th Planet

    Ooops, now you know why Catholics are so superstitious about numbers. Ya, they have crapped out more than once over the eons. But no number strikes fear in them like the number 13=us. Once big bra put the Planet back on its axis, that X coming at you at warp speed will then be a cross + the way it’s supposed to be.

    We are getting ready to put it down NOW and bring ours out before my father starts the second part of the great tribulation. YOU do not want to be here period it is no place for you or your kids! They are going to be cutting your kids out of your wombs and sacrificing them to BAALS. ISAIAH 13:16-19.You must read (clue) in the Old Testament where ever you see Israel`s name replace Israel with Judea/US-AMERICA “Mystery City Babylon”. They have already been through it and now it’s our turn. Remember this, Israel and Judah is (one).

    I “The HOLY SPIRIT IN THE FLESH” will keep you updated with all the news and info. My father never does anything in the earth without telling me first and then what he wants me to do, say and or write.
    This is why I-AM-That-I-AM

    I can’t say peace because we are going to WAR for you again for the last time!
    02/12/12 today’s date.
    Zero two + me=Three for we are One. Today’s date (02.+1=3/1+2.=3/1+2.=3) add the three`s together and you get us (9 ETHER!) RAW
    The Twelve Tribes of Judea with Twelve Apostles representing them=144,000 along with my Fathers mixed race Multitude Revelation 7:9 look> (7+9=(16) (1+6)=7 me). I-AM your Moses, taking you to my Fathers land flowing with milk and honey for all eternity! Your Noah right before my Big brother unleashes his Great and Dreaded flood on the earth when he puts the Earth back on its Axis.
    “Do not be fooled and let no one steal your crown”. If any one of Satan’s helpers says to you that “I-AM or rather they are”. You tell them WE said – Go to HELL!
    The End of this Scroll

    I love yawl so much but not in a fake Jesus way, I just can’t even put it into earthly words and I have gotten pretty good at cross translating back and forth between heaven and earth between my languages, math, maps and sorts and still come up short for words. I do want to give you this extra but it is important to get on my mailing list as my Father started my Ministry on 02/12/12 and he is preparing the way for me to start teaching in Public Parks that he designates for me of course no collection plates passed! If there are any plates they will have food in them for all to share with one another after service. One love every one, seven.
    In the New Testament replace the devils name (Jesus and or Christ) with the name or title of (The Holy one of Israel or Redeemer/God of all the earth). Watch how the devils strong holds and confusion on you start falling off.
    You see when you invoke his names or his deity’s names they have a legal right to be in your life in whichever way you prayed or asked for them to be! Notice now how the Redeemer will be talking in red ink in the New Testament and King James would purposely stop the flow and then in black ink write (and Jesus replied, and then Jesus said or Jesus then asked etc. Now you know why I-AM That I-AM and

    JEREMIAH 13:10
    “Can the Ethopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Niether can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil”

    Melanistic leopards are commonly called black panthers, a term that also applies to melanistic jaguars. Pseudomelanism (abundism) also occurs in leopards.[9] Melanism in leopards is inherited as a Mendelian, monogenic recessive trait relative to the spotted form. Pairings of black animals inter se have a significantly smaller litter size than other possible pairings.[10] The black color is caused by recessive gene loci.[11]
    The black panther is common in the equatorial rainforest of Malaya and the tropical rainforest on the slopes of some African mountains such as Mount Kenya.[12] Between January 1996 and March 2009, Indochinese leopards were photographed at 16 sites in the Malay Peninsula in a sampling effort of more than 1000 trap nights. Of 445 photographs of melanistic leopards taken, 410 came from study sites south of the Isthmus of Kra, where the non-melanistic morph was never photographed. These data suggest the near fixation of the dark allele in the region. The expected time to fixation of this recessive allele due to genetic drift alone ranged from about 1,100 years to about 100,000 years.[13][14]
    Melanism in leopards has been hypothesized “ to be causally associated with a selective advantage for ambush”.[15]
    [edit] Etymology
    In antiquity, a leopard was believed to be a hybrid of a lion and a panther, as is reflected in its name, which is a Greek compound of λέων leōn (lion) and πάρδος pardos (male panther). The Greek word is related to Sanskrit पृदाकु pṛdāku (snake, tiger, panther), and probably is derived from a Mediterranean language, such as Egyptian.[16][17]
    A panther can be any of several species of large felids: the term can refer to cougars and jaguars in the American continents; and everywhere else, to leopards.[18]
    The generic component of its modern scientific designation, Panthera pardus, is derived from Latin via Greek πάνθηρ (pánthēr).[19] Folk etymology held that it was a compound of παν (pan, all) and θηρ (beast).[20] However, it is believed instead to be derived from an Indo-Iranian word meaning “white-yellow, pale”; in Sanskrit, this word’s reflex was पाण्डर pāṇḍara, which was derived from पुण्डरीक puṇḍárīka (tiger, among other things), then borrowed into Greek.[17][19]
    [edit] Taxonomy and evolution
    Like all of the feline family, the Panthera genus has been subject to much alteration and debate, and the exact relations between the four species as well as the clouded leopard and snow leopard have not been effectively resolved.

    The leopard was among the first animals named under the modern system of biological classification, since it was described by Carl Linnaeus in 1758 in the 10th edition of Systema Naturae.
    Linnaeus placed the leopard under the genus Felis as the binominal Felis pardus.[21] In the 18th and 19th centuries, most naturalists and taxonomists followed his example. In 1816, Lorenz Oken proposed a definition of the genus Panthera, with a subgenus Panthera using Linnaeus’ Felis pardus as a type species. But most disagreed with his definition, and until the beginning of the 20th century continued using Felis or Leopardus when describing leopard subspecies.[22] In 1916, Reginald Innes Pocock accorded Panthera generic rank defining Panthera pardus as species.[23]
    It is believed that the basal divergence amongst the Felidae family occurred about 11 million years ago. The last common ancestor of the lion, tiger, leopard, jaguar, snow leopard, and clouded leopard is believed to have occurred about 6.37 million years ago. Panthera is believed to have emerged in Asia, with ancestors of the leopard and other cats subsequently migrating into Africa. The researchers suggest that the snow leopard is most closely aligned with the tiger, whereas the leopard possibly has diverged from the Panthera lineage subsequent to these two species, but before the lion and jaguar.[24]
    Results of phylogenetic analyses of chemical secretions amongst cats has suggested that the leopard is closely related to the lion.[25] Results of a mitochondrial DNA study carried out later suggest that the leopard is closely related to the snow leopard, which is placed as a fifth Panthera species, Panthera uncia.[26]
    [edit] Fossil records
    Fossil leopard bones and teeth dating from the Pliocene were found in Perrier in France, northeast of London, and in Valdarno in Italy. At 40 sites in Europe fossil bones and dental remains of leopards dating from the Pleistocene were excavated mostly in loess and caves. The sites of these fossil records range from near Lisbon, near Gibraltar, and Santander Province in northern Spain to several sites in France, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Germany, in the north up to Derby in England, in the east to Přerov in the Czech Republic and the Baranya in southern Hungary.[27]
    Fossils of early leopard ancestors have been found in East Africa and South Asia from the Pleistocene of 2 to 3.5 Ma. The modern leopard is suggested to have evolved in Africa 470,000–825,000 years ago and radiated across Asia 170,000–300,000 years ago.[28]
    US, fighting for you.
    It is not our wish that any one perish.

  59. I made it through the first 2 paragraphs of this post, until I realized that we have simply had another “lunatic” express their own Divinity.

    In a way, it is nice to have these comical intermissions.

    Did anyone make it through that entire post?

  60. I believe UFO’s are of Lucifer. Fallen Angels, not Micheal and the good Angles. Also, there is no evolution.

    I could be wrong, as you seem to have evolved into something. Perhaps, it is pocession.

  61. Greetings and Blessings Marianne in Jesus
    Thank you for the really awesome info in this website. Thank you for ministering to the body of Christ in this way. I am very impressed by the stuff you have on Jezebel. I have been researching this angle for some time.

    The whole kingdom of darkness is “controlled” from the water. The so called Marine evil spirits/water spirits/water fairies (Leviathan) exist in every primitive and modern culture in the world (e.g. the egyptian pharaohs wore thee cobra on their heads)

    They are the most destructive kind of evil. And control the entire destiny of nations (the world) Marine witches are very arrogant, deceptive and display alll the qualities of Jezebel and are literally sent into all modern day churches. The reason the Church is soo *powerless* at large is they have fallen asleep to the level of infiltration that has been going on. We can and will defeat them once we understand who we are contending with. One reason they are so succesful is the secrecy they operate in. Thank you for the awesome work. God’s favor surround you and yours like a shield and may He make all your enemies your footstool.. Hope the links below help






  62. leviathan is a chief demon but NOT satan. satan was “lucifer” or “DE vI eL” in his previous unfallen state. he is now an angel capable of taking a number of different forms, including “serpent”, the goat-like baphomet, or “an angel of light” looking “beautiful” on the outside, but having pure darkness within. The best way to test a spirit or angel or demon is this challenging question: * Have you or do you SWEAR ALLEGIANCE TO THE LORD Jesus Christ – Yeshua ? {with emphasis on the designated title: THE LORD Jesus. meaning: THE SUPREME LORD} … then also: “I plead the Blood of Jesus over me: are you a spirit OF THE LORD Jesus and is He THE LORD, – yes or no.” ?


    • Len,

      Excellent post and I’ll add to
      your reply.

      Yes, Leviathan is a very high ranking devil in Lucifer’s kingdom. Those poor lost souls that worship Satan address/seek Leviathan by name.

      Leviathan is a spirit than hold many Christians back
      from experiencing the will of the Lord (to be filled with the Spirit) as written in Ephesians 4:17-21.

      The following is a list of demons associated with Leviathan (king over all the children of pride), which can attach to the flesh (oppress) Christians:  arrogance, spiritual pride (religion/pharisee), ego, little pride (false humility), distraction, weariness, deception,  irascibility, rebellion, seduction, treachery, vanity, jealousy, importance, false gifts,  hard heartedness.

      I know of three another test of “character” or devotion to the Lord. Call this a wolf in sheep’s clothing test.

      A person who is stongly aligned with Leviathan (and so with Lucifer), will have a great deal of trouble saying aloud
      these statements. They may choke on the words or can’t say them at all. 

      Please, join with me in the reading of His Word and this

      “By this you know the Spirit of God: EVERY spirit that confessess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God”(1st John 4:2-3).

      “Whoever confesses that Jesus  is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God” (1st John 4:15). 

      “He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil” (1st John 3:8).

      “Jesus Christ is Lord. Jesus Christ is my Lord.”

      “This is just a test” –  it proves nothing because only God knows the heart and He judges. 

      Even Jesus greets Judas in the garden with this phrase:

      “Friend, why have you come?” (Matthew 26:50). 

      Psalm 1

  63. Dear brethren!

    I am Pereces Manasseh, Evangelist, Chronologist and Astronomer willing to share the word of YHWH.

    We are living in the Age of Robots. Many are keeping the feasts of YHWH in the wrong dates. Now we can solve the problem about Yahweh’s Luni- solar Calendar if you are interesting. The spirit of YHWH inspired me to produce all the calculations about His feasts from 4231BC to AD 2139.I can disprove all your calculations if you claim that YHWH inspired me too. Land Sabbath and Religious New Year will begin at 6 PM of 11th March, AD2013.

    All the calculations of NASA are misleading MANY because there was no accuracy in their data. All the calculations of NASA are 100% false. I can disprove all their calculations before your eyes. All my calculations are 100% accurate. Now I am willing to share some questions concerning ASTRONOMY. They are listed bottom of this matter.

    The Torah already went out of the Zion (Micah 4:1-5). Now there is no accurate FORMULA in Zion to keep the Feasts now. That is why we should not look at Zion now. We, gentiles are equal to THE JEWS if we keep all the commandments of YAHWEH from Genesis to Revelations. Please remember that one gentile apostle (SIEMON- Matt.10:4) was there among 12 disciples of Yahshua. So we are same as the Jews now if we receive
    the word of YHWH according to John 10:34-35. Now we can teach THE JEWS if we keep the Torah and got revelation (John 10:35). At present so many dogmas are going to the entire world out of Zion.

    The false calculations concerning Luni solar calendar is one among those dogmas. YHWH created sun, moon and stars as soon as 72 hours are completed at zero degrees of longitude for ISRAEL only(Genesis 1;14-19; Ezekiel 38:12; Deuteronomy 11;38. YHWH’S formulas and principles are CONSTANT forever!(Jeremiah 33:19-26). Therefore astronomer’s formulas are not true. So don’t believe even if they tell that the lunar month is equal to 29.53058885 days and tropical years are equal to 365.24219 days.
    Please reply me without fail.

    Thank you,
    Manasseh, Evangelist, Chronologist and Astronomy,


    The Creator of the Universe is speaking in His BOOK (Isaiah 34:16) in this way:| (1). “Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you set their dominion over the earth?” Job 38:33.

    Note: Therefore the Creator designed a FORMULA in the Heavens which gives accurate Phases of Moon, Lunar New Years, Extra Months, Sabbatical Years, 7 X 7 Years, Years of Tithe, Jubilee Years, seasons and Tropical Years forever. That FORMULA was written in Leviticus 25:8-10. So this FORMULA only rules all the celestial bodies. Therefore the length of each planet is CONSTANT forever according to Matthews 24:35. Let us read now. “Heaven and earth will pass away, but MY WORDS will by no means pass away.” Can’t you believe His words? I do believe His words. That is why I believe that the Scriptural Lunar month and Scriptural Tropical year whose lengths are CONSTANT forever!

    (2). He appointed the Moon for seasons; the sun knows its going down.” Psalms 104:19; Genesis 8:22.

    Note: Therefore seasons are occurring as per the (length of) Moon only. So 4 months are becoming one season. 3 seasons (autumn, winter and summer – Genesis 8:22; Ezra 10:9) are becoming one Year or 12 Lunar months are becoming one Lunar Year. Are you not getting Seasons according to the Moon?

    (3). Sun + Moon is the Universal Clock for ever according to Psalms 104:19; Jeremiah 33:19-26 and Genesis 1:14-19.

    (A) DAY: Occurs as per the formula of YHWH.

    Note: (a) Day time = 12 hours strictly (John 11:9).
    (b) Night time = 12 Hours (John 11:9).

    Therefore one day takes 24 hours strictly at the equator. This time is CONSTANT around the equator for ever according to the word of YHWH (Matthews 24:35; Jeremiah 33:19-26). We should not trust in the words of astronomers even if they are telling that one day is equal to 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4.09 seconds.

    (B) MONTH: Occurs as per the formula of YHWH.

    Note: (a) Lunar Month = 29.53135314 days or 29 days, 12 hours, 45 minutes and 8.91089108 seconds.
    (b) Each Lunar month begins as soon as it ends.
    (c) Lunar Month = New Moon to Full Moon + Full Moon to New Moon.
    (d) The moon is visible at one side only while the opposite side is always completely DARK.
    (e) The first day of the moon is not visible always because its face is projected towards the sun.
    (f) The visible Crescent will appear either on2nd or 3rd day of each Lunar Month.
    (g) Moon is always visible except one SECOND.

    YHWH’S Formula only gives the length of Lunar Month in this way:
    YHWH is telling that count 49 years (Leviticus 25:8-10). We can get 606 lunar months if we count 49 Luni-solar years. We can also get 18 Extra Months if we count 49 Luni-solar Years. So we can get the below equations if we count 49-Luni-solar Years.

    49 Luni-solar years = 606 Lunar Months.
    606 Lunar Months = 17,896 days.
    One Lunar Month = 17,896/606 = 29.53135314 days.

    Special Note: Each Luni-solar Cycle begins and ends at 6 PM only. Each Luni-solar Cycle begins at zero DLM(+35 DL).There will be no remainder at the end of each Luni-solar Cycle. Where DLM stands for Degrees of Longitudes discovered by Me(according to the Holy Scriptures Ezekiel 38:12). DL stands for Degrees of Longitudes discovered by Scientists.

    (C) YEAR: Occurs as per the formula of YHWH.

    There are two Lunar New Years. They are:
    (1) New Year which occurs at the end of every 12 lunar months. For example: Muslims are following this method.
    (2) New Year which occurs at the end of either 12 or 13 lunar months according to Luni-solar Cycle ( or Luni-solar Calendar). For example: Jews, Hindus and some people are following this method.

    Note: (a) There are different Luni-solar Cycles ( or Luni-solar Calendars). Jews are using 19-Year Luni-solar Cycle where as Hindus are using 60 – Year Luni-solar Cycle but the Creator himself is using 49-Year Luni-solar Cycle which is recorded in His Holy Scriptures ( Leviticus 25:8-10). All the Luni-solar Cycles (or Luni-solar Calendars) are not suitable to keep the Feasts of YHWH because they can’t give accurate Phases of Moon, Lunar New Years, Extra Months, Sabbatical Years, 7 X 7 Years, Years of Tithe, Jubilee Years, seasons and Tropical Years.
    (b) China banned 60 – Year Luni-solar Calendar in AD 1930(for details you can see Guinness Encyclopedia, Page: 8). But Hindus are still following 60-Year Luni-solar Calendar to this very day in India even if it is inaccurate.
    (c) Jews didn’t realize to this very day that the 19-Year Luni-solar Cycle is not suitable to keep the feasts of YHWH.
    (d) People who are following Judaism did not realize that the present Lunar month is not useful to celebrate the Feasts of YHWH.

    (e) Christians did not realize to this very day that the data of NASA(Phases of Moon from 4000 BC to AD 4000) is not suitable to verify the Scriptural dates which are recorded in the Holy Scriptures.

    (f) The present length of Lunar Month (29.53058885 days) is not same as the Scriptural Lunar Month (29.53135314 days). Therefore the length of present Lunar month is of man made tradition.

    (g) We should follow 49 – Year Luni-solar Cycle(or Calendar) because it is established by YHWH and written in His Book only. Therefore we should not follow the traditions of MEN(Colossians 2:8,20-22).


    (1) This Luni-solar Cycle only gives accurate Phases of Moon, Lunar New Years, Extra Months, Sabbatical Years, 7 X 7 Years, Years of Tithe, Jubilee Years, seasons and Tropical Years.
    (2) This Cycle (or Calendar) is extremely useful to study and verify the Phase of Moon, Day of a Week and Year for the dates which are written in the Holy Scriptures.
    (3) There is no need to go and observe the barley corns whether they are ripen or not so as to fix the New Year because this Cycle itself predicts before the happening of Phases of Moon, Lunar New Years, Extra Months, Sabbatical Years, 7 X 7 Years, Years of Tithe, Jubilee Years, seasons and Tropical Years.
    (4) There is no need to wait for Equinox because this Cycle itself predicts Extra Month which occurs as per this Luni-solar Cycle. Extra Month = Tropical Year – Lunar Year.
    (5) There is no need to wait for visible Crescent to keep the New Moon day because this Cycle itself gives 100% accurate ending time of each Lunar Month (at the ending of each Lunar month another Lunar month begins where New Moon day begins automatically).
    (6) There is no need to bother about Conjunction or clouds or rains or fog or snow or Ozone layer etcetera to keep the New Moon day because this Luni-solar Calendar itself predicts the beginning time of New Moon.
    (7) There is no need to modify this Calendar at any time because the length of Lunar month and Tropical Year is CONSTANT FOR EVER! (Jeremiah 33:19-26; Matthews 25:34).
    (8) This Luni-solar Cycle only predicts that the Zero Degrees of Longitude passes through Jerusalem only: As soon as YHWH created sun, it gives sun rise, sun set and Noon at a time because the light goes instantaneously from him. Therefore the very first rays of sun fell at – 175 degrees of Longitude at that time such that Zero Degrees of Longitude passes through Jerusalem only. Therefore the very first 6 AM began at – 175 Degrees of Longitude only.
    (9) This Luni-solar Cycle only predicts that the New Moon always begins at – 175 degrees of Longitude: Sun and Moon are created by YHWH at a particular time, Longitude and a purpose only. As soon as sun rays fall on – 175 degrees of Longitude while Moon began receiving light from the sun at – 175 degrees of Longitude only. So the very first New Moon began at that particular time and longitude only. Therefore the NEW MOON always begins at – 175 Degrees of Longitude only.
    (10) This Luni-solar Cycle only proves that the Creator created sun, moon and stars on Wednesday . No other Luni-solar Cycle can prove this.
    (11) This Luni-solar Cycle only predicts accurate length of Luna Month and Tropical Year.
    (12) This Luni-solar Cycle only proved as mathematically and scientifically in all the Ages.



    (1) If we don’t have the Spirit of the Creator (Romans 8:9-11).
    (2) If we don’t accept the words of the servants of the Creator.(Luke 10:16)
    (3) If we don’t know mathematics (2 Peter 3:15-17).
    (4) If we don’t know about Luni-solar Cycle (Luke 19:41-44).
    (5) If we don’t know about the date of Creation of sun, moon and stars (1 Cor. 2:10-16).
    (6) If we are cursed (Jeremiah 11:1-5; Galatians 1:6-10; 1Cor.16:22; 1 John 2:1-6).
    (7) As long as false preachers exist (2 Peter 2:1-3; Juda 12; 1 John 4:1-6).
    (8) If we are foolish virgins (Matthews 25:1-13; Revelations 3:1-5).
    (9) If we are the seed of the serpent (Matthews 13:39, 23:33-36).
    (10) If we are reserved for the bottomless pit Revelations 20:1-3; 19:19-21, 21:8,9:1-2).


    (1) There are rules for the Gregorian calendar that the centenary years are Leap Years if they are divided by 400 and every 4th Year is Leap year. Note: They never wait for Equinox or barley corns again like you because they already made rules.
    (2) What is the necessity to wait for barley corns while you are using Luni-solar Cycle? Don’t you know that it gives Leap Years, Extra Months, Sabbatical Years, Years of Tithe, Jubilee Years and Phases of Moon? Gentiles are far better than you in case of measuring time. Is not it?
    (3) Can you give the length of Moon and earth as per the Cycle you are using?
    (4) Can you prove your calculations like me?
    (5) If you believe that the length of moon is not constant why don’t believe that the man came from the ape? Astronomers are telling that the continental drift took place before millions of years. Do you believe this as gentiles?
    (6) Can’t the Creator control the length of moon and earth while He created all the Universe?(Jer. 33;19-26).
    (7) Yahweh’s words are Constant for ever and ever! (Matthews 24:35; Numbers 23:19; Jer. 33:19-26).




    Note: Passover should be observed at night of 24TH March, 2013. I will prove if you are interested.



    Please note: You can understand which Luni – solar Cycle is suitable to the Scriptures if you have minimum knowledge in basic Astronomy .I am willing to share some questions and answers with you. Please tell me your answers along with these questions if you know. Please feel free and be frank with me as we are brethren in the MESSIAH.I will learn from you what I don’t know while I will teach you from I learnt till now from YHWH .YHWH inspired me His FORMULA which gives 100% Phases of Moon, New Years, Sabbatical Years etc. I am searching for All Truth (John 16:13) and am searching for an International Leader too to find out the remnant Assembly in the Zion (Thessalonians 2:13-14) as we are the body of the Messiah(Ephesians 2:11-16, 3:6). Therefore we should preach one Gospel, we should give one Baptism and we should receive one Spirit too. Now the time has come (Job 34:1-4) to settle the matter about LUNI – SOLAR CALENDAR which only gives accurate Phases of Moon, New Years, Sabbatical Years etcetera once for all. I will certainly learn from you if YHWH elected you and inspired you to produce 100% accurate dates for His Appointed Times. Please send me your calculations now as early as possible because many of us have been keping the Feasts of YHWH in the wrong dates since many years. All the JEWISH people are still keeping the feasts of YHWH in the wrong dates to this very day. They don’t have even minimum knowledge in Astronomy. Please share these questions with your near and dear by doing this we can easily spread the word of YHWH quickly.

    (1). What is the meaning of New Moon?
    (A). The binning of first Phase (first day) of each Lunar month is called as New Moon (Numbers 10:10).Note: New Moon begins as soon as the previous Lunar month ends.

    (2).(a) What is Invisible New Moon? (b).What is Visible New Moon? (c) When will the visible Crescent appear?
    (A).(a) At the end of each Lunation the face of Moon is projected towards sun. So Moon can’t be visible. The Moon at this phenomena is called as Invisible New Moon. (b).Moon when it is visible is called as Visible New Moon. (c)The visible Crescent will appear either on second or third day because(1) it depends up on clouds, humidity in the air and seasons. It will also appear as soon another Lunar Month begins but one should go to the Space by a rocket and observes VERY FIRST CRESCENT from there only.(2) Each Lunar month takes 29 days,12 hours,44 minutes and 2.877 seconds (According to the Astronomers of NASA etc.).Note: Therefore Lunar Month = (29 X 24) hours + 12 hours + 44 minutes + 2.877 seconds. You can understand that there filled up some light already in the Crescent before you observe visible CRESCENT. For details see the web sites of NASA.

    (3). Will the first Phase of Lunar month appear as soon as Lunar Month ends?
    (A). (a) It will not appear because the face of Moon at this state is projected towards the Sun (b) The very thin 1 millimeter Crescent will not appear even if its face is projected towards us because the sun rays is still ruling the day time.(c) The very thin 1 mm Crescent will not appear because every New Moon almost occur nearest to the time of Conjunction. So the brightness of sun is greater than the brightness of moon. Therefore THE VERY FIRST THIN CRESCENT will be INVISIBLE. So the first Phase of each Lunar Month will not appear as soon as Lunar Month begins. Note: Each Lunar Month begins as soon as previous LUNAR MONTH ends.

    (4).What is Full Moon? What is Nil Moon?
    (A). (1) Moon when it is full is called as Full Moon (Day). (2) Moon when it is nil (totally) is called as Nil Moon (time takes for this state might be one second).

    (5). How much time will the moon take from beginning of Lunar month to ending of full Moon in the first stage(growing state of moon)?
    (A). 14 DAYS, 18 hours, 22 minutes and 1.43832 seconds.

    (6). How much time will the moon take from ending of Full moon to the ending of Lunar month(Nil Moon) in the second stage(diminished state of moon)?
    (A). 14 DAYS, 18 hours, 22 minutes and 1.43832 seconds.

    (7). How many Crescents are there?
    (A). There are 3 Crescents, they are:
    Crescent-1 which is invisible (in the Western Sky) to the naked eye but visible through the telescope only if you go to the space and observes it from there.

    Crescent-2 which is VISIBLE (in the Western Sky) to the naked eye either on 2nd or 3rd day. Note: Foolish virgins are counting lunar days from this day(Matthews 25:1-9).
    Crescent-3 which is VISIBLE (in the Eastern Sky) to the naked eye during the 29th day but it will ALSO appear UNTIL THE END OF LUNATION (29 days,12 hours,44 minutes and 2.877 seconds) if you you go the Space by a rocket and observe it from there. Note: (1) Moon rotates from East to West so the face of Moon at the end of every Lunar month will be projected towards the sun.(2). The opposite side of Moon is totally dark which will be projected towards Earth during the time of Conjunction and ending of each Lunation.

    (8). How much time taken between ending of Lunar month and beginning of Lunar Month?
    (A). Zero seconds because moon is the Natural Nonstop clock which always receives light from sun forever(Jeremiah 33:19-26).

    (9). What is the length of each Lunar Phase from 1st day to the ending of 14th day in the first stage of Moon?
    (A). 24 Hours strictly.

    (10). What is the length of each Lunar Phase from ending of Full Moon to the ending to the ending of 29th day?
    (A). 24 Hours strictly.

    (11). What is the length of 15th day and 30th day?
    (a).14 DAYS, 18 hours, 22 minutes and 1.43832 seconds because each lunar month takes 29 days,12 hours,44 minutes and 2.877 seconds.

    (12). What is the phenomena in the first stage of Moon?(from New moon to Full moon).
    (A). The Moon CONTINUOUSLY receives light from the Sun so the brightness in the moon increases day by day.
    (13). What is the phenomena in the second stage of Moon (at the end of Full moon to the ending of Lunar Month)?
    (A). The Moon continuously receives light from the Sun as usual so the brightness in the moon decreases day by day. In this way each lunation ends.

    (14). Is the moon becoming dark for at least one day?
    (A). There is no such a phenomena in the moon because the moon will be completely dark for ONE SECOND ONLY.

    (15). How long the moon become dark?
    (A). ONE SECOND only.

    (16)(a) Shall we keep the day of CONJUNCTION? (b) How many Conjunctions are there?
    (A). (a) No, because there is no command about the Day of Conjunction (b) Two Conjunctions are there because one will occur nearly at the time of New Moon day and another will occur nearly at the time of Full Moon.

    (17).(a) Shall we keep the invisible New Moon Days? (b) Shall we keep the Visible New Moon days?
    (A). (a)Yes, we should keep the invisible New Moon days only because it is commanded in Numbers 10:10. For example (1) Our heart is invisible to the naked eye but visible if we see through a proper apparatus.(2) All the stars and planets will not appear to the naked eye. Shall we say that there are no stars and Planets at day time? (3) Astronomers are telling that the length of moon is varying every month when they observed through the telescope. Shall we believe it or shall we believe YHWH’S words (Jeremiah 33:19-26)? YHWH is telling that the length of each lunation is CONSTANT FOREVER. Whose words are true? In the similar fashion the invisible crescent will not appear to the naked eye but visible if we see through the telescope.from the space.(b) No, because the visible crescent will appear either on 2nd or 3rd day of Lunar Month. The age of visible crescent should be greater than at least 12 hours when it will appear. Please read at least the basic principles of Astronomy then you can understand clearly about Phases of Moon, Lunation etc. Now there is no need to go the Department of Astronomy. YHWH is giving good opportunity for our sake only through the web sites. Now it is ready.You only delayed till now. So please find all the necessary matter under ASTRONOMY in the Web sites of NASA etc.

    (18). Will the New Moon occur on the day of Conjunction or nearest to the Conjunction?
    (A). Yes.

    (19). What is the Phase of the moon at the end of each Lunar Month?
    (A). Another Lunar month begins but can’t visible.

    (20). Shall we call the visible moon as first day Lunar Month?
    (A). No, because at the end of each Lunar Month another Lunar Month begins. The REAL FULL MOON will be treated as 14 DAY if we count the lunar days from visible crescent. By counting lunar days in this FOOLISH WAY all the Feasts of Yahweh will be treated as UN APPOINTED TIMES OF YAHWEH. Note: All the foolish virgins are still keeping the Feasts of YHWH from visible Crescent only. Are you a wise virgin or a foolish virgin? Who are you?

    (21). Is it true that the moon rotates from East to West while earth rotates from West to East?
    (A). Yes.

    (22). How many days are completed from the beginning TIME of Lunar month to the beginning TIME of Full moon?
    (A). 14 days. Note: Therefore 15th day of every month is the full moon day as per THE RULES OF LUNI-SOLAR CYCLE (Leviticus 25:8-10) with respect to the time of Israel.

    (23). How many days are completed from the beginning time of visible Crescent to the beginning time of Full Moon?
    (A).13 days.

    (24).Whose Lunar data Pastors are following?
    (A). Some Pastors are following NASA DATA while some are following their own (Satanic) data. Note:Both are foolish and present Jewish theory is completely meaningless. Note: YHWH is rejecting both the Jews and gentiles if they are keeping His Appointed Times in the wrong dates(Romans 2:20-27).

    (25). What is the length of Lunar month as per astronomers of NASA?
    (A). 29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes and 2.877 seconds. Note: Astronomers themselves are telling that this length is not constant FOREVER. Is it not against to Jeremiah 33:19-26?

    (26). Does the present length of Lunar month (NASA’s) satisfy 7 X 7 YEARS to get Land Sabbaths in Israel and in every country?
    (A). No. Note: That is why we are not following the calculations of NASA etc.

    (27). Which Lunar month satisfies 7 X 7 YEARS?
    (A). Yahweh’s (Leviticus 25:1-10). Note: Yahweh’s Lunar month takes 29 days, 12 hours,45 minutes and 8.91089108 seconds which is CONSTANT FOR EVER!

    (28). Did Yahweh inspire any one to discover the length of His Lunar Month?
    (A). (1).YHWH inspired me only. Note: Please tell me if YHWH inspired some body in the world if you know.

    (29).Does 19 – Year Luni solar Cycle satisfy 7 X 7 Years to keep the Land Sabbaths?
    (A). No. Note: How can you get 7 X 7 Years in 19 – Year Luni – Solar Cycle?. Please prove me. I need explanation to verify your calculations whether they are true or false otherwise you will be a WOLF! Many wolves are doing their mission under the veil of pastors by simply using false New Moons, Luni – solar Cycle such as 19, observing barley corns, observing Equinoxes.

    (30).Shall we follow gentile’s Luni – solar Cycles such as 19 and 60?
    (A).No. Note: 19 – Year Cycle belongs to the Greeks where as 60 – Year Cycle belongs to Hindus.China banned 60 – Year Luni solar Cycle in AD 1930 (see Guinness Encyclopedia, Pages 7-8).

    (31). Who fixed the lengths of a Lunar Month, Luni – solar Cycle(FORMULA), Tropical Year?
    (A). YHWH himself only(Jeremiah 33:19-26). Note: This FORMULA is constant for ever.

    (32). Are the lengths of Yahweh’s Lunar Month and Tropical Year constant forever (Jeremiah 33:19-26)?
    (A). Yes. Note: The lengths are CONSTANTS for ever! Can’t YOU believe?

    (33). Are the lengths of Lunar month and Tropical Year constant forever(discovered by NASA)?
    (A). No, each Lunar month varies from 29.26 to 29.8 days and each Tropical Year varies. Note: For details see the web sites of NASA, USNO, WISE etc.

    (34). Do you know Yahweh’s Formula which gives accurate Phases of Moon, New Year, Extra Month, Sabbatical YEAR, 7 X 7 Years, Jubilee Year and Tropical Year?
    (A). Yes.

    (35). Did Yahweh inspire you to produce the Phases of Moon, New Years, Extra Months, Sabbatical Years( 7 X 7 YEARS), Jubilee Years and Tropical Years etc.?
    (A). Yes.

    (36). Can you produce the Phases of Moon from the beginning of Creation of Moon to AD 2100?
    (A). Yes.

    (37). Can you give the beginning and ending time of each Luni – solar Cycle?
    (A). Yes.

    (38). Can you prove the Jubilee Year at the time of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 34:8-17)?
    (A). Yes.

    (39). Can you prove the Jubilee Year at the time of THE MESSIAH (Luke 4:17-21)?
    (A). Yes.

    (40). (a) Can you dare to disprove the Phases of Moon which are produced by NASA ( fed in their Web sites)? (b)Can you dare to disprove my calculations?(c) Do you know astronomical calculations to find out the time between any two New Moons at least?
    (A). (a) Yes (Jeremiah 33:1-3). (b) Please tell me. (c) Please tell me if you know.

    My Gift of Knowledge is extremely useful to every body for ever. Some High lights in my GIFT (2 Timothy 2:14-19).
    (01) Accurate Sabbatical Years
    (02) Accurate Jubilee Years.
    (03) Accurate Extra Months
    (04) Accurate Religious New Years
    (05) Accurate Civil New Years
    (06) Accurate Years of Tithe
    (07) Accurate Phases of Moon
    (08) Accurate Chronology
    (09) Accurate History from First Adam to Second Adam( 4231 BC to AD 2139 circa).
    (10) Accurate Missing History from the Scriptures
    (11) Accurate Phases of Moon for all historical Dates which are recorded in the Scriptures
    (12) Accurate date of Creation of Sun, Moon and stars
    (13) Accurate Scriptural Length of Lunar Month 29 days, 12 hours, 45 minutes and 8.91089108 seconds (written in the Scriptures so it is Perpetual as per Jeremiah 33:19-26).
    (14) Accurate Length of Tropical Year
    (15) Accurate Longitude of Jerusalem(Zero degrees of Longitude passes through Jerusalem only as per Ezekiel 38:12)
    (16) Accurate time for each New Moon as per the date of Creation of Sun, moon and stars.
    (17) Accurate beginning date of The Religious Calendar (Exodus 12:1-2)
    (18) Universal Time Constant while measuring Tropical Year ( For example : There are Gas constant, Phi, g, G and so on. )
    (19) Universal Time Constant while measuring Lunar Month ( For example : There are Gas constant, Phi, g, G and so on. )
    (20) Solution to untold story of Equinox
    (21) Solution to untold story of Conjunction.
    (22) Solution to untold story of Barley corn.
    (23) Solution to untold story of Visible Crescent.
    (24) The Mystery behind Jubilee Year revealed.
    (25) The Mystery behind 7 times 7 revealed.
    (26) The Mystery behind 19 – Year Luni-solar Cycle revealed.
    (27) The Mystery behind Equinoxes revealed.
    (28) The Mystery behind Conjunctions revealed
    (29) Accurate fulfillment of Daniels 70 WEEKS Prophecy revealed.
    (30) Jubilee Year at the time of Jeremiah revealed.
    (31) Jubilee Year at the time of The Messiah revealed.
    (32) Jubilee Year at our age is revealed.
    (33) NASA’S inaccurate calculations revealed.
    (34) Constant Luni-solar Cycle for ever (Cursed is he who don’t accept this Leviticus 25:8-10; Jeremiah 11:1-5).
    (35) Zero remainder at the end of each Luni-solar Cycle(more than 16 hours are remaining in 19 year luni solar cycle)
    (36) New Moon always ends and begins at a particular Time and Longitude as U.T.
    (37) No need to modify Lunar month at any time as per JEREMIAH 33:19-26.; Matthews 24:35.
    (38) Every New Moon and sun shine begins at – 175 Degrees of Longitude while Jerusalem is the center of the GLOBE (Genesis 1:14-19; Job 38:4,12-13,18,33)
    (39) Every calculation belongs to YHWH’S Formula.
    (40) CENT PER CENT SPIRIT FILLED CALCULATIONS (Job 38:36; Jeremiah 33:1-3; John 10:34-35; 1 Cor.2:10-15, 12:4-11).

    Please Note:
    (a) 49 Religious Years = 606 Lunar Months.
    (b) 49 Civil Years = 606 Lunar Months.
    (c) Every Religious 49 – Year Luni-solar Cycle begins at the end of EVERY 6th Civil Month of 1st Civil Year out of 49 Civil Years (Did you realize this?).
    (d) Every Civil 49 – Year Luni-solar Cycle begins at the end of EVERY 6th Religious Month of 49th Religious Year out of 49 Religious Years (Did not you realize this to this very day? All your ( your leaders’ ) calculations come under the inspiration of Satan unless you realized the above points. Please do calculate by using rule books then you can find the mistakes you committed.).
    (e) You know that the Religious Year began in the land of Egypt only (Exodus 12:1-2). All years are Civil years from Adam to the fulfillment of 400 years Prophecy (Genesis 15:14-16).Therefore Religious Year began at the end of 6th Civil Month as per Exodus 12:1-2.
    (f) Therefore 49 Civil Years = 49 Religious Years.
    (g) Every Religious 7th Year is only Sabbatical Year.
    (h) Every Sabbatical Year takes either 12 or 13 Lunar months according to Luni-solar Cycle only.
    (i) Every Jubilee Year takes 24 hours only.
    (j) Every Jubilee Year occurs during 49th Religious Year or in the first Civil Month of first Civil Year(50th Civil Year).
    (k) 10th day of Tisri of 49th Religious Year = 10th day of 1st Civil Month of 1st Civil Year (50th Civil Year) = 24 Hours = JUBILEE YEAR.
    (l) Therefore JUBILEE YEAR = 50th CIVIL YEAR = 49th RELIGIOUS YEAR = Year of Release = Year of Liberty = 24 HOURS ONLY.

    Special Note:
    YHWH is speaking through His servants only concerning His Feasts for ever and ever (Amos 3:7; Luke 8:17; John 10:34-35). YHWH never used gentile astronomer to teach His people. Now He won’t use. All Truth will be preached to His elected people only (2 Cor. 4:3). I am willing to share the above subjects if you are interested to keep the APPOINTED TIMES OF YHWH in the right time. Please disprove my GIFT OF KNOWLEDGE after you study very well. I will learn from you if you teach me THE TRUTH (1 Thes. 5:21) because the Spirit of YHWH will lead us in to ALL TRUTH(John 16:13) but CONFUSION is waiting for them that reject His word.
    So please tell me your opinion now. Shall I send my GIFT? I am eagerly waiting for your precious reply.

  64. Sorry but your astronomy is a bit faulty. You have made several if not many incorrect statements, such as, “Therefore one day takes 24 hours strictly at the equator. This time is CONSTANT around the equator for ever according to the word of YHWH (Matthews 24:35; Jeremiah 33:19-26). We should not trust in the words of astronomers even if they are telling that one day is equal to 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4.09 seconds”
    Your claim that a day = 24 hours strictly at the equator is wrong, in two ways.
    First of all the earth is a solid object and the poles are connected to the equator and rotate at exactly the same rate.
    Also, a day is never 24.0000000000000000 hours and every day is a different length.
    The earth does have a constant rotational period which is just under 24 hours. But because the earth also revolves around the sun, it takes a little longer for the sun to cross the local meridian each day, which is how a day is actually measured.
    Now, because the earth’s orbit is elliptical and its distance from the sun and therefore its orbital velocity varies with this distance the time it takes to make a complete rotation with respect to the sun varies day to day throughout the year.
    This situation also affects the lunar orbit and the exact length of the moons cycle also varies slightly.
    I say this because you have tried to calculate these times to a billionth of a second, and the numbers you used, if they ever do occur, only happen to that degree once a year.
    There are several other inaccurate statements but it is enough for me to realize that while you may be a good number crunchier, your astronomical knowledge most likely came from YouTube and not a college degree.
    Also, you say, “we should not trust in the words of astronomers.” and, “All the calculations of NASA are misleading MANY because there was no accuracy in their data. All the calculations of NASA are 100% false” which to me is a classic YouTube line. Every Nibiru YouTube idiot uses NASA images, then claims that you can’t trust NASA scientists and we are supposed to believe the YouTube idiot as to what the image actually is. I’m not buying that kind of logic. You are an evangelist trying to learn astronomy. I am a scieintist/engineer studying the bible. I was an astronomy major in college and I owned the largest observatory on Long Island when I was a teenager, so you can’t fool me with a bunch of made up numbers and a poor understanding of science.
    All that aside, I’m not sure what you point is here. You are claiming the Jews are celebrating all their feasts on the wrong days, according to your interpretation of the calendar. You also said that as far as you know, you were the first and perhaps only person in history to be blessed with this information. That comment is practically blasphemous. God gave his instructions on following the feast days in simple terms that all of His people could clearly understand and easily follow. He didn’t write it just for you to figure out thousands of years later.
    So what is your point? If the feast days are truly off, then perhaps Jesus did not die on Passover, and therefore He did not fulfill the feast on the right day, therefore His sacrifice is null and void.
    His next fulfillment will be on the for, when He returns, so are you saying this date will not be on the days the Jews now celebrate? The whole world will be fooled into thinking it is one day, but then it will be anoher.
    Perhaps you need a T-Shirt that says, “No one knows the day and the hour…. Except ME!”
    Anyway, please let us know if your calculations have and tangible repercussions that we all need to know about.
    Otherwise that was an awful lot of reading for nothing.

  65. Hi Marianne
    Please can you give me the differences between leviathan and python and forward me the deliverance resource ?
    Many Thanks

  66. Thanks Marianne.

  67. Very helpful site would love too learn more!!!

  68. Leviathan is said to be as allegoric. So Leviathan stands for Submarine which can destroy all.

  69. Leviathan is the Serpent in the Heavens and is described as Draco the dragon.
    However there is a deeper connection to the Sea in the Heavens and that is Leviathan could be none other than the Destroyer planet Nibiru. The blue orb planet has 7 moons and these moons can be 7 heads of the Beast.

    • “He [Leviathan] has no equal on earth—creature devoid of fear!
      He surveys everything that is haughty;
      he is king over all the proud beasts” (Job 41:33-34, HCSB).

      Leviathan is a high ranking power of darkness over spirits of pride.

      Wormwood is a high ranking spirit of darkness over spirits if bitterness.

      Nibi is a representation of a high ranking demonic spirit, who shepherds principalities and powers of darkness.

      Psalm 37

    • I never thought of equating the 7 moons with the 7 heads…interesting 🙂

    • John,
      You are letting your imagination run wild here. You have gone overboard trying to tie biblical events to Nibiru.
      How can the seven horns of the earthly beast kingdom be the moons of another planet? So does the beast kingdom rule the planet Nibiru? How would that be something earthlings are supposed to be watching for in regards to bible prophecy? And isn’t Nibiru supposed to be a winged RED planet, not a blue orb you just described?
      It is bad enough that you believe in an imaginary planet, but now you are trying to tie it to biblical events that happen here on earth.
      Well, none of it matters since none of it will ever happen.
      Didn’t you claim Nibiru would become visible to the naked eye by this time? So where is it in the sky? I have a telescope so I can locate it even if it is very faint, so where is it? I don’t see it on any of my astronomy programs and Sky and Telescope magazine hasn’t reported on it yet so I’m just at a loss.
      But I’m sure you can tell me where it is. Is it still coming in from Sagittarius? Can’t find it there. So please fill us in on how and where to view it. We’ve all been waiting such a long time for it to get here. I’m really looking forward to seeing it.
      So where the L is it?

  70. Good revelation.But this Leviathan also cheating the believers with inaccurate 19 – Year Luni Solar Cycle.

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