Martyrdom a result of Christian failure
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
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The Christian world does nothing as multitudes die.
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The reason the martyrs are killed because the Christian world has done nothing to help them.
It sits by, and lets it happen.
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Christianity is the major religion in the world, and there is no peace.
It also represents the largest group persecuted for its faith.
Nations and groups go to war for every reason, political, social, economic, strategic, etc., except to rescue the persecuted.
The enemy would fail if there was unity in the body of Christ.
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Since there is no unity or righteousness, the enemy succeeds.
If the enemy succeeds, then Christianity fails.
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Heaven Awaits 
Obama said muslims slaughtering Christians in Northern Nigeria was a misunderstanding, that it was really a tribal dispute over land….HE is the biggest persecutor and biggest enemy Christians have today…He is making war against all of Christianity with his homosexual marriage and with his health care abortions ,etc..
True, … and abortions are sacrifices of lives to the god moloch …. this practice has never died but lives on until Yeshua(Jesus) totally destroys (burns) these wicked ones (the tares) into the lake of fire.
Jesus lied.
His last words on the cross were ” my god my god why have you forsaken me? ( eloi eloi dali sabacthani ) or some crap.
The answer is ;god is the demon that despises you. Even jesus was left high an dry ; nailed to a fucking bit of wood.
If jesus was left dangling; what hope have you got? NONE.
daniel
jesus did not lie. he said he would die for our sins, and in 3 days, he would rise from the dead. this happened like he said.
he paid the price for our sins so we would not have to go to hell and do this ourselves. so for those who accept this self sacrifice, we are saved from hell. others, who reject his, go to hell when they die.
jesus was quoting psalm 22 on the cross, the one that prophesied his death.
Daniel,
“DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?”
interesting video…but correction the letter vav does not make a “ssss” sound like a snake….it is the letter “v”
And they will still vote for him by the drones.
Ruth
true. and sad to say, “christian” america voted for him,
Dear Marianne,
PLS open your eyes, ears and heart, if you truly wish Peace and if you don’t want to sacrifice it on stupid ideas based on nothing.
There is no peace just because you support zionism which is NOT a religion nor it is a people neither. Zionism is void, null and goes nowhere. It’s got no substance. It has NO justification (except by Evil, on lies and blood, founded on the massacre of Deir Yassin…)
And please, forget about your naive interpretation of the Bible, you have no idea what the Bible truly says. Everyone can make the Bible calculates 1+1=3 if you wish, it is so simple ! Nobody except a few million zionists, and their lobotomized evangelists, find anything related to zion in the Bible.
From the time Israel will be smart enough to accept to come back to 1967 borders (well, we all have to accept also to give Israel a decent access to religious sites, especially in Jerusalem of course, let’s say it will be a bit larger than exact 1967 borders) and truly respect other people than themselves you will see that the world will live in peace. Isis-daesh will disappear instantly, Boko-haram also because they are 100% creation of zionism. Bin Laden will reappear and will play golf again with G. W. Bush.
A few smart Jews know that, and everybody else in the world – except 40 million american Evangelists, who are preciously and cautiously kept in ignorance – know that Israel is the biggest threat for world peace, despite they represent only 0.2% of the world population.
http://www.heartcom.org/BanksterHistory.htm
Needless to say that the end of the story, despite all your naive expectations, will definitely NOT be in favor of zionism as supposedly evidences in Bible are just Evil lies…
The Truth on which everyone (who’s got at least one brain and one heart) agrees is that Peace is a solution and violence has never been a solution. Last but not least, territory is becoming meaningless in our new connected and virtual world. Only very stupid people do not understand that, sorry to say it.
That simply means new generations of Jews, which will be of course smarter than their parents, will understand more and more easily how stupid is this situation. You will see more and more Gilad Atzmon poping around from nowhere. Ariel Sharon spend billions to acquire a house in Jerusalem, stealing it from Palestinians, just for the challenge, do you see ? He never could go in that house. Once again, if you fear God, beware that nobody can compete with His sense of humour. Ariel Sharon’s sad (hi)story is just to show you how God is laughing at stupidity.
If you choose the right path, you will find victory
If you follow Evil… well, Evil himself will not follow you… Just by watching the poisonous fruits zionism is producing everyone can understand Evil is just its father. Read again the Bible.
Whish you the best. Have a nice Xmas.
zionism is God’s idea….God promised in the bible he would return the jews to Israel and that is what happened.
it is a holy mission and promise.
so get over it
going back to 1967 borders would be suicide for Israel…
this is just an evil scheme to destroy Israel and take the land…
the biggest threat to world peace is Islam, and especially the demon possessed muslim terrorists in Gaza
I am on the right path…
i serve God, not satan
Israel would be at the 1967 borders, but moon god worshipers keep going to war with them.
It is not Xmas unless you want to rid Christmas of Christ. I do admit the Universal Church took a pagan Holiday and made it the day to Honor Christ’s birthday.
Islam is of the world and the world system loves it.
your thinking shows the influence of Islam….this is the religion of “peace”
open torture and slaughter
http://shoebat.com/2014/11/03/muslims-capture-christians-take-slaughterhouses-dissect-still-alive-rip-organs-kill-sell-organs-turkey-saudi-arabia/
Let us unite .I asked you before and ask you again .
God promises to keep us safe if we all join as one in the Holy Army Become a messenger of God go and take the oat .Serve God for the rest of your life .You have God’s promise not only of protection but also a life of a thousand years in Paradise ,where there is no pain no hunger no evil. So What are you waiting for? .Do you rather die a senseless death or do you rather fight and help God win souls?
true. we are one body, and can only function that way for God.
The theory is if it isn’t BLACK or WHITE, it will eventually fade to GREY.
BLACK = Judaism = Many complicated rules and exceptions based on thorough reasoning and debate over hundreds of years by society’s scholars (ie. Rabbis). It began with the Torah but it has evolved through the Talmud and various Rabbinical schools of thought. Armed with knowledge and wisdom and encouraged to use reason at every opportunity, you can achieve almost anything you set your mind to.
WHITE = Islam = Just a few basic rules, based on claimed divine inspiration through Muhammad, thorough reasoning or debate by scholars not encouraged, basically submission to divine will, you’re at the mercy of God. Good luck, you’re gonna need it in the jungle of life. Another road paved with good intentions, but where it leads you will vary depending on your individual lot in life.
GREY = Christianity = turn the other cheek, lack of personal responsibility (just confess and wash your hands of it) = a road to hell full of good intentions = denial of personal accountability to other creatures = laziness towards thinking about the details = just want peace = pacifism = confusion and disillusionment that turns to self-centredness and eventually apathy and loss of hope. Some post reformation denominations have incorporated some measure of ethical standards (eg. Calvanism) but by in large the main obstacle to achievement of global outcomes is the pacifism preached by Jesus himself. Bless him, but it’s time we recognised that you can’t turn the other cheek when you live in a world with people like Osama Bin Laden or Anders Brehvik or many others who are both prepared to jolt you out of your convenient sleep from time to time.
If you are not your brother’s keeper, then don’t be surprised when you find nobody looking out for you.
If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.
Good luck kids… choose wisely.
Amen
This is quite a problem today, Christians are luke warm, they are trying so hard to be political correct, turning the other cheek , no matter how many times you slap them. It has really become time, to let our voices be heard, to stand up and be counted. Can we still do that? We must also hold our preachers accountable for the message that they preach from the pulpits.
One of our biggest problems is also our governments, that is supposedly Christian, but they all have an ulterior motive in mind (they serve their father Satan) and we believe their lies. We have lost the war never mind the battle. The ones that is still honest are kept in check by the majority, they have no voice.
I for one, cannot see the escape from the road that we are on, except the return of Jesus, to bring and end to the madness that is prevailing in the world today.
The word says, “things will be worse in those days compared with the days of Noah”, who wants to argue that point, that it is not actually so these days.
We will just have to suffer the consequences of our deeds and our lack of faith and God nows what else.
“It Is written”!!!
to preach that the Sons of Hagar will overrun the Church of Christ have lesser faith than a mustard seed.
You’ve only survived by the grace of God, not by the strength of your own faith or the size of your mustard gas arsenal.
Here’s where you went wrong homo…
1. You have an offensive attitude towards Jews. The Jews didn’t approve your claim to Jesus being the Messiah (not because he wasn’t worthy of trying to achieve that status, but simply because the criteria weren’t achieved within his lifetime). The Jews didn’t approve of your Jewish sect appointing a Pope to represent God on Earth. The Jews didn’t approve of you carrying out crusades to Jerusalem that resulted in indiscriminately slaughtering Jews as well as Muslims along the way. The Jews didn’t approve of your “New” testament. The Jews didn’t approve of you ignoring or taking liberties with the ORIGINAL testament.
2. You have a condescending attitude towards Muslims. Hagar was a nice person who was good enough to be loved by Sarah and Abraham, not some lowly servant girl from an inferior race as some of you closet racists and closet antisemites and closet Arab-a-phobes and closet Islamaphobes would like the world to believe. Her only flaw is not being Abraham’s wife? That is not a flaw, that is the way events transpired. Not every woman on this Earth can be Abraham’s wife, anymore than every man can be descended from Abraham! BTW, God said the Sons of Hagar will become a mighty nation and it has already happened. As for being “overrun”, well I don’t know why you have to phrase it like that. People are not being converted by the sword now in the 20th and 21st centuries, yet Islam is still by far the fastest growing religion. They have families, rather than waste their lives at pubs and nightclubs, so consequently there are more of them. They’re not “overrunning” you, so much as you are killing yourselves off with your indulgent lifestyles and deluded personal freedoms. Keep trying to convince the world that they are having too many babies, while you procrastinate and take your purposeless existence for granted.
3. You have an irreverent attitude towards all God’s creation. You’d think that 2000 years after your claimed “christ” you’d have got the message of monotheism (the ONE God for all creation)… but no, you still see it as a tribal competition between us and them and those other people over there! It’s gone totally over your head that the whole thing was revealed in order to bring all of you minions together, united under some common banner, rather than leave yourselves divided along arbitrary differentials such as geographical birthplace and linguistic ability and eye colour! Whether you believe in Jesus as Messiah or not, your tribal attitudes made his life painful and his mission still unfulfilled 2000 years later!
Get with the program, focus on the ONE COMMON God of all creation and stop being a thorn in your brother’s behind, or you will be overrun by your own negativity.
I won’t stand for Hagar being spoken of in condescending terms. In an age of rampant over-feminism, I’d suggest she’s a better role model than most modern day females who have reduced themselves from nurturers of community to common workers and shopaholics! Yeah, yeah, economic circumstances, over population concerns, whatever.
Hagar was a legitimate “wife” of Abraham, according to the traditions they had at that time. It was not her idea to mate with him, but Sarah’s.
There was a rivalry between the two women, and so Hagar was sent away.
The concept of monotheism was maintained by Jesus. However, how the modern church explains it, can be confusing and only inspires doubt, instead of belief. The catholic church started this confusion, and does a bad job of teaching its members about the faith, who neglect studying the bible on their own.
Islam got its start by the sword. It may be growing, but it is due to a high reproductive rate mainly. Also, in Muslin countries, Christians are killed, which reduces their numbers. Converts do come from the black race of people, and some catholics, who marry into the Islamic faith.
True biblical Christianity is monotheistic. The Father is God. But how Jesus and the holy spirit relate to him is the basis for the debates we hear.
It is important to understand this relationship to get a complete picture of who and what God is.
I agree that the Abrahamic faiths should try to live in peace together.
Yes Marianne, but peace doesn’t come about from wishing it. It happens from being serious about what you stand for and being prepared to do something about it, not being a pacifist couch potato who has given up on the future of mankind and been reduced to a self-centred perpetual tax-payer who always seeks the path of least resistance in everything.
If you support Christians, how about telling your governments to stop supporting the Arab “Nonsensical” Spring. That CIA trained Sarkozy who has disappeared into a cave somewhere is the cause of the death of hundreds of thousands of Libyans who have sworn to cause some mayhem for Christians and other “infidels”, and guess what, they arrived on European shores like YESTERDAY! Since the revolution in Egypt, Christians there have been under siege. The Christians in Syria are alive only because THE GREAT BASHAR AL-ASSAD is still in power. They will be slaughtered if the rebels who were painted as “peaceful protesters” ever gain power. UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon has only just woken up from his previously idealistic wishful thinking, but disingenuous war-monger David Cameron (who really wants to sell some weapons and get some access to the natural gas fields off Syria’s north coast and create a diversion from the Palestinian peace process) is still playing tough guy with other people’s sons and daughters.
120 school girls were poisoned in Afghanistan by the Taliban.
The doctor who confirmed Bin Laden’s whereabouts and helped the US capture him has been sentenced to 33 years jail by the “good for very little” Pakistanis. Does the world really need more taxi drivers!
Screw peace… Let there be no peace on Earth until I say so. Until I see evidence of true humanity. Not wishful dreaming by pacifist couch potatoes. Peace… peace my arse. Wake up.
wassim
Most of the people on the earth are degenerate, and defy God in their lives. The american government is not christian, and I do not approve of the invasions into arab affairs in other countries.
Peace will come when Jesus does.
Until then, it will only get worse.
Jesus ain’t coming back.
If we want peace, we’re gonna have to do it ourselves. If God stands for “waiting for Jesus otherwise things will continue to get worse” then I will defy God everyday until I die. That’s what it means to be “created in the image of God”.
FYI, the American, British, French and German governments are all democratically elected, so at least part of the fault lies with their constituents. You can’t just confess and wash your hands of it. Take some responsibility for God’s sake. This is YOUR WORLD you live in, not somebody else’s.
Defy God… Defy everyone and everything… Let God see that we are not children, that we can look after ourselves. Let him take a holiday, or watch us do the right thing of our own accord… rather than keep “waiting for GODOT” (GOD Or chrsiT).
yes he is coming back 🙂
But yes, in the meantime, we should be responsible and do our best to establish good on the earth.
the majortiy of people do not feel this way, but they should not hinder our efforts.
Hagar was not a legitimate wife but a concubine for she was a servant and hand-maid to Sarah which was why upon having a child by her master Abrahaham she was able to look with contempt on her “Miistress” and the ambitious…..Hagar becomes pregnant and then “looked with contempt on her mistress” (Gen. 16:5).
Hagar called Sarah the Wife of Abraham, Mistress, because she was her servant or slave and not his wife and this did not alter because she bore a child for Abraham says to the Lord he only had one ‘Eliezar of Damascas’ as inheritor even after having illigitimate son of Hagar. Gen. 15: 2
Hagar was not simply, puttting down or “making fun” of her mistress, she was in essence laying claim to the matriarchy of Abram – she was trying to rise above her status as servant/handmaiden and reach the lofty role of matriarch of the clan, thereby replacing Sarai with herself and making Sarai a mere concubine. Cast in this light Sarai’s response to Hagar seems much more fitting.
It may be of no consequence but the Hammurabi code may have helped Sarah in not wanting to harm Hagar but wanting to free her son of any effort of Hagar to raise herself and her son above her own rightful heir so she insisted Abraham send her servant/slave Hagar and her son away. And we cannot forget the Lord told Abraham to obey his wife in this. So Hagar was freed instead. But, Wife No!
146:”when a seignior married a heirodule and she gave a female slave to her husband and she has then bore children, if later that female slave has claimed equality with her mistress because she bore children, her misstress may not sell her: she may mark her with the slave-mark and count her among the slaves. ANET pp. 172
It wasn’t the catholic church … but the “prophet’s” contact with nestorian and ebionite monks who already broke away from catholicism. The ebionites was judaizers and the nestorians were non-trinitarians. Most of heresies came from the east like arianism, that is why the byzantines Christians were given by GOD to “them”
The messiah is not prophesized to be approved by the Jews … only to be received. (in case if they do) … No text says so : -)
Who are they to approve or dis-approve the Son of GOD … it’s like saying they want to approve whether they are to be saved or not, that is arrogance … in that they (jews during messianic period) were condemned by jesus in favor of those perished in sodom and gommorah.
Pardon me for that .. if you are offended by the “Sons of Hagar” … because it is more appropriate than “Sons of God” [Genesis 6] which is a blasphemy to you. Anyway, it is one of the claim of islam through ishmael as the “prophet’s” (pbuh) forefather.
I’m not offended… I’m not Muslim as you assume. I’m nothing other than an ordinary human being who cares about my family more than all of God’s prophets put together.
Blasphemy is existing in the 21st century and still being a pacifist while thousands of people die by the day. That is not what God intended for humanity. I REJECT YOUR GOD. I WILL CREATE A SUPERIOR GOD CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF HUMANITY. THE OLD GOD IS FIRED. GET OFF MY PLANET YOU PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A DEITY.
Wassim, I applaud your spunk, even though as a Christian I dislike your vulgar insults. Hagar is a very sympathetic lady in the Bible and deserves defending.
One thing Mohammed said that I always loved…that when a woman spends her days with children and keeping house, she is doing all the religious duties her strength can handle. Your faith is often accused of being hard on women, but that is often skewed judgement. I have often wished the Pope and pastors honored mothers and housewives enough to say what Mohammed said.
A quick look at the overworked, tired, underappreciated women in our cruel economic western culture shows exactly what is hardest on women and children. I see few happy American children…there’s so little peace.
If you control your temper and write about the sympathy and
kindness in Islamic writings you may find interesting people to share thoughts with.
Wassim will be ok.
He just has to calm down
Do we follow the 10 commandments today?
Who can say ‘Yes’ to all 10 ?
The counsels of the early church violated the 10 commandment when they deified Jesus. Anyone who prays to Jesus has been violating commandments 1 and 2. It’s not your fault. Your religion was hijacked for political reasons, just as Islam is being hijacked for political reasons now.
If we return to the Torah, the ORIGINAL, we can effectively turn back time and rid ourselves of all the pollution the Roman tyrants imposed on all of us. All of us.
Wassim, To deny Jesus, (God manifested in the Flesh) is part of that Anti-Christ Spirit. and to uphold Islam, is demonic. Their religion and goverment rule is combined, as it was in the day of Heroid, who sent and beheaded John the Baptist. The Karan, teaches to Kill any one who switches to another religion. Woe,unto You on the Day of Judgement, you have denied the only True God.
ROFLMAO… suit yourself love. I thought the time for dogma was over, but clearly not for some! Woe 🙂
Praise and Glory to the Holy, Holy, Holy and Worthy Lamb that died for those that accept Him as their Savior.
Praise the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
The Aleph and the Tav. The Bright and Morning Star.
The Roaring Lion of Judah. The Holy Amen.
Forever and ever Amen.
Jesus Roaring? Muhammad roared harder in his sleep.
The Aleph and the Tav? He didn’t even speak hebrew!!! He spoke Aramaic.
The bright and morning star? Come on, how about some recognition of Buddha’s influence 500 years prior to Jesus. Surely he was the morning star. Jesus might be the midday sun (clearly some of you are still suffering from sun stroke!)
King of Kings and Lord of Lords? Not God, but one of multiple Gods!! There you have it folks, monotheism rejected, pagan polytheism… no wonder you’re being taken over by homosexual marriage and atheists.
Forever and ever? How about not since the enlightenment 200 years ago!
Amateurs fall into line…. Amen.
Well there is another one Marianne.
Out of the wood-work, so to speak.
I will stick with My LORD and SAVIOR thank you very much.
He has my heart, soul, spirit, and life.
I have given everything to Him.
Praise Yeshua the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Amen.
And whether you care or not, I wish you Shalom and Love.
a.
“I wish you Shalom and Love” …
I wish you would enter a library once more in your life.
Yeah, shalom and love to you too. You gotta admit these religious exchanges are fun. Well, I think so anyway. 🙂
Wassim,
I am sorry that you may regard me as inferior to you intellectually, merely because I choose to express the simplicity of my Faith.
I believe that Yeshua HaMashiach is my Savior.
I believe that He died on the Cross and Shed His Blood for the atonement of sins for all that would believe in Him, and it only by that “Blood” that we have any Hope at all.
I believe that those that accept Him as their Savior and are then “born again” in the Spirit, are then His.
I believe that if we follow Him as the True Vine, and walk in the Spirit, then we are being obedient as best as we can to Him, and if we stumble, His Grace is sufficient. 1 John 1:9. He is Faithful.
If you don’t believe any of this…. what the heck are you doing here?
What’s your point?
Don’t you have something better to do with your time?
If not, isn’t that rather sad for you.
Praise Yeshua our Savior and KING of kings and Lord of lords. Amen.
Love,
a.
You BELIEVE a lot… how about doing some actual research and working your way towards KNOWING something other than a handful of hebrew phrases.
Here are a couple of AUTHORITATIVE articles on why Jesus IS NOT HaMasciach except in the minds of people who refuse to exert the effort to move themselves from BELIEF to KNOWLEDGE. There is nothing more SAD than that, because you are holding up the progress of humanity towards the age of reason where blind belief (such as that exhibited by fundamentalists and terrorists) is a thing of the past. Your continued BELIEF is part of the problem. You are being invited to move towards KNOWLEDGE.
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html
http://www.aish.com/jl/li/m/48924282.html
It’s really NOT a matter of BELIEF at all, love 😉
Why Jesus is who he is – is a long academic discussion.
Aish.com would naturally deny this.
There are old testament prophecies of HOW the Messiah would come, what he would do and NOT do, and that he would be killed before he finished.
But then they say he will return.
but Jews read their bibles about as much as the catholics do.
Ahem… Sorry Marianne, can you point me to the Old Testament prophecies that say he will be killed and the one that says he will come back. I thought those were INTRODUCED BY THE CHURCH when they were having their massive selective book burning orgy. You know, where they decided which version of events they wanted to keep according to what suited their political intentions (ie. to continue to supress the Jews and the Levant – the only thing preventing the Persian navy from conquering the whole of Europe).
Here’s an interesting word for you Marianne. It’s called Apocrypha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha
Look at this post to start with. I have to leave for the rest of the day.
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/did-jesus-fulfill-the-jewish-scriptures-for-messiah/
book of daniel chapter 9 predicts messiah gets cut off, or killed
Micah 5 predicts that Messiah gives up on the Jews until the nation is reborn
Daniel 7 predicts son of man (messiah) receives kingdom from the Ancient of Days ( FAther god) in heaven and transfers it to his people
Jeremiah 23 predicts that Messiah will show up in the last days to help regather his jews back into the land
Daniel 7 also predicts that the messiah will return to fight the “BEAST” that is destroying the earth with evil.
once the beast is defeated, we will have peace for 1000 years
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none of that is Apocrypha
Again….. What the heck are you doing here? lol.
And again, I could care less what you believe.
(It appears that someone may be a little slower than they wish to be considered to be, and are having difficulty in comprehending the point?)
Really, don’t you have something better to do? (sigh).
Praise Yeshua our Savior and Bright and Morning Star.
He will be Victorious in All things.
But hey, that’s just what I believe.
Good luck with what you believe.
a.
What an arrogant ignorant snot you are… what happened to the superficial “shalom and love” you pretend to share with everyone.
Your “Christianity” would suffer a fatal blow if you ever dared enter a library.
I don’t believe in luck, keep your childish BELIEFS to yourself.
“Victorious”? Against who? I though he was the one and only God? Do you imagine that the ONE God cold possibly struggle against an adversary? What kind of God has to defeat a formidable adversary in order to “will be victorious” (future tense)? Are there 2 Gods in your Christian mind?
Certifiably delusional ignoramus. Go read a book, you can start with humpty dumpty, it’s suitable for your level. 🙂
ok. wassim.!!!!!
behave yourself.
no bad names
people, including muslims, believe that Jesus ( Yeshua) will bring victory when he returns.
Sorry Marianne, but he proved that his brain feels “alienated” from libraries. I have no respect for people who are intellectually inferior and rude to me on top of that when I come bearing good tidings that will emancipate people from their destructive delusions. Destructive for our collective civilisation, what some people like to call humanity, although I’ve seen evidence that it only exists as a concept so I’m trying to do my bit for the betterment of mankind.
I’m not Jesus and I won’t turn the other cheek.
Wassim. It is clear you are full of anger and hate. Anyone possessing enlightenment, and claiming to bear a great message focuses on the message and not hurling personal attacks and insults at everyone who does not accept their ‘message’. Then you descend into more hate with a clear threat of violence (I will not turn the other cheek). You have in fact denied whatever message you claim to have. As a person of faith who began her career working in a library and at one time owned almost 2,000 books, I am exactly what you deny exists.
It is clear you are a muslim. It is clear you hate christians – of course the quran teaches you this. It is also clear that as a muslim your tears for those who died from violence are crocodile tears. As you put it yourself you’re willing to deny everything for the sake of YOUR family. I assume from that statement you don’t really give a shit for anyone else.
If you wish to deliver a message that will change the world – though it doesn’t seem fair, backing the message up by being the right kind of messenger means displaying wisdom and control in a discussion with those who don’t agree with you. Those that incite violence, do violence, deserve nothing but our love. Their judgment comes from God. We can act to protect the innocent at the time of the event, but afterwards? You advocate using violence to control violence. Violence as retribution. As revenge. Your way has been tried, for thousands of years. It always just leads to more violence. I will not say Shalom to you, for you do not seek peace but vengeance.
Hello alienated…I see you are being attacked and somewhat wantonly by another waste of thought. I am sorry to see it happen since I appreciate and respect your thoughtful studies and info in the Lord very much and I say this sincerely. lol lol lol I saw this header in my email and did not like how it maligned the Lords’ workers, Jews or Christians in these last years. So many have worked so hard over the years and those of us who try to support them steadfastly and we have only done so these 39 years, but, knowing much of the history these last 150 years to date, I am dishearteded to see such statements so boldly spoken without thought. So I came back to see why this statement was spoken and caught you being demeaned and was surprized so I thought I would say hello to you in the midst of this useless banter. lol lol lol
“waste of thought”… better than a waste of sperm.
Interesting time for Israeli archaeologists to find this particular artefact.
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/bethlehem-artefact-predates-jesus-3117662.html
Praise Yeshua our Holy Savior and KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Amen.
Love,
a.
The kingdom of heaven is not the kingdom of this world system. It will be when Christ returns to claim the deed on this planet. Now, the world system is under the rule of the fallen one. This world system enjoys the death of Christians, and Jews.
The fight is for souls now. Soon the world’s armies will gather to invade Israel. I suspect with a large regional conflict between moon god worshipers, and Jews causing it.
“Soon the world’s armies will gather to invade Israel”… Not in my name.
And we’re gonna let that happen? How many times have we sworn “never again”? and “lest we forget”?
How many times must the Jews suffer while we sit by and watch? What the hell is wrong with you people that you’re willing to believe this will happen rather than actively reject it?
Who can possibly believe in God and support another attack on the Jewish people?
Are you just antisemites masquerading as Abrahamic believers? Pagans masquerading as monotheists? Messianic cultists masquerading as Christians?
I reject any “God” that supports an attack on the Jewish people, fore that is not a God in my eyes. I REJECT HIM.
The real God loves Israel and the Jewish people, and all people for that matter, but especially the Jewish people and Israel.
Wassim,
Interesting that you should say “not in my name”. This begs me to ask what is your name? And by whom do you evoke your authority from, that your name is of any value?
No authority at all, I’m just alarmed by this apocalyptic nonsense and “waiting for Jesus” pacifism. I wish people would grow up and take responsibility for our world. If somebody interprets the Bible or any quasi religious movement to say Israel will be attacked and Satan is leading the current world system of government… then I think these people are nutcases right up there with Osama Bin Laden.
What is the value of religion, if only the crazies get to speak, when the whole thing was created to lead us towards a better world, a better world which is surely around the corner, if only these crazies would wake up out of the dark ages.
They understand nothing, the research nothing, the know nothing… but they have the audacity to BELIEVE and spew nonsense. No wonder people like Richard Dawkins and atheism appears as a better alternative, because the only religious voices are nutcases!
Monotheism is about realizing that we are all human beings (not Gods, cannot become God, cannot parttake in creation of nature). This simple idea would lead to responsible attitudes towards each other and the finite environment we inhabit.
Jesus and Muhammad have failed to create rational human beings, whereas Torah study (not belief of the historical accuracy of it’s stories) leads to the development of rational thought processes.
People are dying and these crazies are still spewing nonsense from the dark ages. Not all religion is bad, but somehow only the worst stuff sticks in these people’s pathetic brains.
To hell with waiting for Jesus… how about grow a friggin brain before it’s your family that’s on the chopping blocks of religiously justified nonsense. My family is in Syria and I’m sick to death of defending Christians who frankly appear to be as deluded as the worst Muslims. You’ve all disappointed me, and I’m here to tell you that your BELIEFS are NONSENSE even if they come from Jesus himself (which they don’t)
GROW UP PEOPLE. God is supposed to bring us together, not something for Christians and Muslims to think they can fight about it. They’re both wrong as far as I’m concerned.
It’s Judaism or nothing at all… and it’s not a matter of belief either. Nobody has the right to believe stuff that causes other people to die! Screw your beliefs. Grow up.
I can’t believe in an age where there is so much information about the historical accuracy and political manipulation that has interfered with religion, we still have people who think their BELIEFS out of the dark ages are valid because that’s what they BELIEVE. Delusional people or ignorant people…. both are pathetic and unacceptable.
If freedom means you can believe in stuff that justifies the death of my family and relatives, then I’m going to tell you to go to hell.
That’s what I mean when I say “not in my name”.
Satan supports an attack on Israel
God is going to rescue Israel from Satan
… and the people of Syria are just canon fodder? what about those 120 schoolgirls who were poisoned in Afghanistan? What about the Pakistani doctor who’s been jailed for having a brain? What about these silly petrol price manipulation games being played by Saudi Arabia and Iran at the expense of the common people of the region?
Why can’t Putin and Hu, Obama and AbdAllah, Cameron, Hollande and Merkel force the Supreme Leader and Netanyahu to shake hands by the end of this week? What good are those launch codes if nobody has the balls to do something useful with them? My family is not meat for your geopolitical sandwich, God damn it. When will these “leaders” care about something other than petroleum contracts and natural gas pipelines? Satan is APATHY and PACIFISM. God is WILL and COMPASSION. Make some noise people, the silence is deafening.
Satan rules right now, and people follow him, not God.
Wassim,
The Syrian Jews/ Christians as well as those in Egypt will be rejoicing when The Lord saves Israel from afar, and He begins to gather all the tribes of Israel back to their inheritance. I know that this is not what you want to hear, But you must learn to trust God. Satan, and his cronies will not be defeated by soldiers and armies this time, But by God/Jesus himself. Christians, do not have control of our country any longer. They are being pushed to the fringes of society, and soon will persecuted as the Jews were during WWII. You are asking for us to save you, and your family, But we cannot even save ourselves. The church is in shambles. We are pretty much on the slippery slope that leads to destruction. Our economy is in turmoil, We have a spineless president, who is a socialist. The U.S. Is probably headed for revolution. We will be in no position then to rescue anybody. This is what the educated elites have done to this country. In their Wisdom, they have destroyed what was once a shining beacon of freedom in this world. Now it is a place of abominations and perversions. That is why I say you must trust in Jesus now. he is the Only one that can save you, or your family. Many will die/ are dying in that region now as the Chloros horsemen is riding through the region. The best thing you can do is receive the Gift that Jesus offers you and be ready for his coming for he will not come this time as a suffering servant, But as the fully annointed and powerful Warrior King.
There is only one road that leads to salvation, and that road is with Jesus. He is alive and well, and coming again.
He is your only hope, Bhudda, Mohammad, Moses, and confucious are all dead Darwin and science want the weak to die. Only The God of Israel Isaac and Jacob, can save you, and the Son of God, Jesus. God is a God of Justice, and I too yearn for his coming as others here do. We are in those times now.
“Chloros horsemen”?
Are you permitted to speak plainly or is there some mandate that limits you to speaking in riddles?
He (Jesus) is not my only hope. I have no hope so long as I’m surrounded by pacifists who are resigned to “waiting for Jesus” while thousands die by the day.
“He is alive and well”… good, then tell him to get his act together and pull his finger out before I tell God to sack him for sleeping on the job.
chloros horsemen is a reference to the 4th horse of revelation.
horse of death
Mark, (Leatherneck) my brother,
I pray that you are doing well my friend and that you are filled with the Spirit of the Almighty.
I just wanted to wish you all the best.
And Dru,
Miss not being able to share emails withh you, but pray that you are in Wonderful and Glorious hands as well.
Many are in my prayers.
Love and the Fathers Shalom to you both. Amen.
Praise Yeshua our Savior and KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Amen.
Love,
a.
Hello, and G-d’s speed to you dealing with crazy people.
As you know, it is not our fault what is written in the Bible. We just happen to believe in the Bible. As Jesus was attacked, we are not better than the Master. So, we will be attacked.
It is our hope, and prayer Jesus will return soon, and set thing stright. He holds the deed to earth now. Those who refuse G-d’s love, and explain it to G-d soon enough.
Peace,
Mark
How can he have the deed before he’s returned? Don’t you have to be somewhere before you can receive something that is at that location? I thought Satan had the deed now, and Jesus will get it back when he returns. Isn’t that what Marianne said?
Do any of you have any clues as to who or what is Satan? Do you mean Saudi Arabia or Israel or Iran or China or USA or UK or Belgium or Japan or the Vatican City or Italy or France or Germany or Russia? I keep thinking these religious players must translate to real world entities whose identity is the “sealed” mysteries that will be revealed? Am I crazy? Is that my flaw? Does Jesus save crazy people?
Surely someone out there who knows more than me can shed some light that might help us crack the code and try to position ourselves to maximise our chance of survival… or is trusting in Jesus our only hope?
The Christian World does nothing as millions die!???
How absurd a title and what a wicked thought since I know that in the last 39 years we would be lost if we could not help through Christian and Jewish Organizations thousands to get out of these oppressive countries or help support the many victims of violent hatred, rape and slaughter. Even the slaughtered leave families that need to be cared for …the orphans and the victims of oppression and we have worked through many groups Christian and Jewish who have been responsible for setting up ways for many of us who want to help to get it through.
If you want to blame anyone blame the secular, political and left media world for covering up these slaughters and rapes and forced marriages so no one will think anyone but the Christian or Jewish world is at fault. If there is one thing I have learned it is that their are a lot of good hearted Christians and Jews who work behind the scenes trying to help even as the secular left world is shutting the doors on us.
Your intro to this subject is wanting in facts and more!
You tell em’ Marie Jean.
Apparently I am rude and superficial, so I have declined to comment further.
Love,
a.
Ahhh alienated how nice to meet you here… it is like hearing a voice crying out in the valley of loss we all must cross through. Hmmmm Bunyan in Pilgrims Progress called that valley something else for it was full of pits and bogs but he could hear the voice of other Pilgrims crying out or singing songs of victory or sorrow and it heartened him as you just did now to say this is true, this is true! You make me laugh as I follow on the same path. Thank you again…lol lol
Love you Marie Jean,
We are kingred Spirits you and I.
As I said, I can’t wait to meet all of my brothers and sisters on that Glorious day.
Praise Yeshua our Glorious Savior and KING of kings and LORD of lords. He is our Everything and only Hope. Amen.
Love,
a.
Yes alienated… kindred spirits… I have a sister in the United States and we had worked on the Jewish Christian forums of old for ten years trying to dispell lies and darkness, teaching people to seek the truth in the world with the Word and one day she and I will sit and have a cuppa tea with the Lord when He returns and laugh about the heartaches and joys… She is a Jewess and has much heartache but she is a lovely friend and I from Canada and her from the US meet here and there in Cyberspace though we have never met…it does not matter…we know each other as you said… kindred spirtis yes… lol lol how nice to hear those words…again… The Lord is like that isn’t He …He has always been so since first I saw Him ….What Joy to meet Him in others…
There are 2.1 billion Christians.
You do not see 2.1 billion in arms, defending the persecuted.
You see them go to church and come home.
The ones who do help are too tiny to count.
I would agree with that to a certain extent Marianne, but it is the LORD that judges the hearts of men.
Remember the woman that threw in the “two mites” in Mark 12:42 and what Yeshua said in verses 43 and 44. (and Luke 21:2. and what He said in verses 3 and 4.)
Sometimes what may appear rather insignificant to others, is precious in the eyes of the LORD.
All of us have our own calling in Him.
Just somethingto consider.
Praise Yeshua our Savior and KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Amen.
Love.
a.
You must live in a very tiny world marianne if you do not know that most of the aide given in the world, including the modern schools of the last 500 years and women nursing and the help given to most countries have come from Christians who have sent everything from their own Martyrs,to doctors, to teachers, to building, to wells, and the Word of God freely given to any that ask and this was all originally created, built and given by goodhearted Christians, Jews, Christian dissidents and we all learned this from the Bible, from the Jews and their and our God. This is a great thing that has been done these 4000 years and not to belittled if it would seem that the world and satan and his cohorts are winning and bringing all things to the place of judgement and wrath of God as the Prophets of Israel have foretold in scripture. But to Blame who is blamed here for it is absurd. I blame the Politicians, media, Koran and their hate and kill texts and their Imams and many more who just plain hate the truth so they kill the bearers of the light and Word of God!
I agree with what you are saying, when it comes to works of charity and goodness.
But there was no “christian army” to save those who were being harmed.
Yes, the world is dominated by those who do not care.
by this, your expectation on the book of revelation and wassim’s expectation of the messiah are now in parallel.
please tell me what is my expectation.
Shut up both of you! this is not the time to be arguing who is the beast disciple .we are at war with the darkness( Satan and all his minions) .use this time for prayer for the conversion of sinners.Listen to the supplications of our Lord God the Father and his beloved son who”s heart is breaking apart at this present time while seeing his children including priests precipitating themselves into the Abiss .How can you proclaim to love God when all you do is tearing each other apart? do you believe that you are doing God a favor? No you are not .You are creating more anguish for God.stop being selfish .Stand up for Jesus .If you really love Him then do as He ask Enroll in the Holy army in the fight against the darkness .do not sit in your fat asses judging the rest of the humanity .every soul is precious to God even the Elites .He wants his family to come home not to hell. Get with the program .stop wining and get to work .You may just start skipping lunch and give it as a small sacrifice to a child near you as ,token for the salvation of dark souls.
Rosa is saying action is better than talk.
I think, Gods message came to us ,through Rosa Lopes.Most people do not know “JESUS”,but we know that. Can we ourself do a target of preaching by talk,email, photocopy,…,about the Good News(gospel)to at least 10 people(unbelievers) per day. When I was travelling in Europe, I asked about ‘Jesus’ , Most of them, they do not know.They have hand phones, note books,.., they have no time to hear.
do your best to share Jesus
I don’t accept God.
I don’t accept Satan.
I don’t accept Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad.
I don’t accept Jesus as my God.
I don’t accept Jesus as my Saviour.
I don’t accept Jesus as the Son of God.
I don’t accept Muhammad as the prophet of God.
I don’t accept homosapiens as human beings until this pacifist waiting game and associated fairytales are history.
I don’t accept NONSENSE while my family is on the chopping block.
I don’t accept believers who cannot understand metaphor as well-intentioned people when there are thousands dying while they “wait for Jesus” and pat each other on the back for being “good enough” workers of (God/Jesus/whatever confused deity) they woke up with this morning.
I don’t accept scripture written after Jesus’s cruci-FICTION.
I don’t accept your rationalisations that the non-christians and non-Jewish people of the region are being killed justifiablly, because that’s what’s written in YOUR BOOK anymore than I accept that SUICIDE BOMBING terrorist acts are justified because that’s what’s written in the OTHER BOOK.
I accept the TORAH as being worthy of study.
I accept that Judaism is the only Abrahamic religion that can possibly lead to peace and prevent INSANITY.
I ACCEPT MYSELF AS WORTHY OF A BETTER WORLD FULL OF RATIONAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE A SPINE AS WELL.
Marianne and friends , some post we really do not need to answer.
You are one of these people with a million Facebook friends but each of them has a purposeless existence. Useless “friends” and a useless existence. Answer if you find words to rationalise your “head in the sand” attitude while thousands die as you procrastinate and “wait for Jesus”.
If Jesus doesn’t come by the end of this weekend, he’s fired. Gone, history. Bye Bye Humpty Dumpty. Then what will you do when you realise that this is your world and you actually need to think and act for yourself instead of waiting for Jesus (who is alive and well, but seemingly on holiday in the Bahamas or something!).
so wassim
How is the world a better place because YOU are in it?
what have YOU done to change things?
I have expelled many myths from my own mind, and I have helped expel some myths from the minds of others.
I dare to speak what most people barely have the courage to contemplate.
I break the rules that were designed to imprison our minds.
I have sacrificed my soul for people who don’t even know I exist. I haven’t forsaken my worst enemies because their convenient delusion was once mine as well.
I am a practitioner of the authentic form of jihad, the same as was practiced by Jacob who was renamed Israel.
The world is better because of me, because I am kind to illiterates who enslave themselves with their hopelessness and purposelessness. Where common people give in, I persist with the struggle and push the dominant market forces back a little closer towards a more just point of equilibrium.
I make the world better because I prioritise TRUTH and REALITY over deluded HAPPINESS and PERSONAL FREEDOM.
Wassim
The Myth you are living under is the one found in Romans 1:22-23.
a thinly veiled insult (I am a fool or an idolater… blah blah blah).
Don’t know how you get either of those from what I’ve written (please enlighten me – where do I hint at idolatry or that I am a simpleton believer such as a fool). It’s as though you don’t know the meaning of the words “fool” and “idolater”.
This is the same hypocrisy you get from some Muslims who use words they don’t understand themselves! They can’t even express themselves in their own words, they have to revert to the words of their ancient slave masters (scribes that have long gone but their power still imprisons your minds) . Laughable amateurs who resort to thinly veiled insults rather than argue their position 🙂
My position is clear. I REJECT THAT WHICH ENSLAVES MY MIND INCLUDING A GOD THAT IS EITHER PRO-PACIFISM (Jesus) OR A SLAVE-MASTER UNDER THE GUISE OF OMNIPOTENT CREATOR (Do this, don’t do that). I ACCEPT AN EMPOWERING COMPASSIONATE HUMANITARIAN AND ENVIRONMENTALIST GOD THAT ISN’T A CLOSET RACIST OR ANTISEMITE. There, in my own words. 🙂
This is no insult, this is fact. You Just are blind to seeing it. Your Intellect is your god. My intellect is nothing. I rely on the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, not my intellect. You have placed “self intellect” on the pedestal where ONLY the creator God can sit. Pride is the original sin that does this. Man was created to be a servant, and not a god. What You are saying is all there in the Word of God. and you are not nor will not fool any of the servants of God with your deception. We Believe in the Creator God. We Submit to his Authority. Jesus is God in Human form. Submitting to God is the MOST LIBERATING THING OUR SOUL CAN DO. That is what you do not understand being all puffed up in your own wisdom.
Really? I never understood faith in God as necessitating negating my own intellect, but if that’s the “word of God” as you say, then I outright reject it completely. You’re right, the only thing we’re worthy of is death, especially with that attitude.
So God gave you a brain and free choice so that you can use both of those gifts to consciously decide not to use either of them. Brilliant… you Christians will be history in less than a century if you all believe that.
Don’t you think it’s blasphemy to refuse to think? Why do you read if you don’t intend on interrogating the pursuant thoughts that spring forth. What’s the point? if you’ve submitted to “God’s will” (I’d contest that it actually is that, but anyway) then why bother washing your face or brushing your teeth or exerting effort at school or work? Why don’t you just wait for your children to be born out of virgins instead of grooming them to copulate with the best specimen they can snare (mothers regularly advise their daughters to marry a doctor or a lawyer – why bother – just submit to God’s will???)
Dru, please don’t speak for the rest of today. Go to a park and observe how the birds think and act and relate to each other in a far more civilised way that you do to your fellow man. Get some fresh air and eat something with vitamin C that doesn’t come in tablet form. Sweet dreams. 🙂
you do not understand truth, reality or god.
Job kept his pie hole shut while he was being persecuted. Why don’t you? At least, Job knew he was not around when G-d created the Heavens,and earth.
Here is a new idea for you, get armed, and take it to the enemy. Do not wait for your mommie, or America to do it for you.
On top of that, get out of your Mother’s basement, and get a job. That way, you can help with taxes, and be part of the solution.
What a stinking cry baby.
Mark,
You crack me up brother.
Be Blessed.
Praise Yeshua our Savior and KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Come Yeshua Come my Lord. Amen.
Love,
a.
Terrorism is never justified.
No more than pacifism
That is inadequate, by your own standards.
Wassim.
I think your last statement above is the problem. The Only thing Man is worthy of is death, The Just punishment for sin. We are but the dust of the earth. The sooner YOU come to accept this, then the sooner Jesus will come to your rescue. You Started your comment with “I do not accept God”, But the one thing you do accept is man AS god. Even the Jews will condemn you for this.
If you do not accept Jesus, then there is no redemption, and you will burn with the rest of the wicked that you so despise.
If you do not like our message, then why are you here?
we are preparing for his second coming. We probably cannot “help” you avert the wrath of God, Only Jesus can. But you have not accepted him.
I will leave you alone with the Words of Jesus himself. “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, But whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what would it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall man give in return for his soul? (Matt. 16:24-26)
Read them carefully!!
You say “But the one thing you do accept is man AS god”?
please show me where I said anything that resembles that.
Again, I do not accept any scripture written after Jesus cruci-FICTION. I am not a stooge of the Roman Empire.
I do not need redemption, I do need to be saved. I do not accept anything just because it is written in a book. I think for myself.
I don’t care who condemns me (Jews or otherwise). I am alone, and I will never bow to the desire for societal acceptance. I don’t seek hundreds of fake useless pacifist friends.
I have my own PERSONAL GOD. The UNDOCUMENTED GOD that brings me self-worth regardless of who else concurs.
I have forfeited my soul and I haven’t gained anything. I’m fine as I am. No infantile delusions of grandeur over here. Just proud enough, of myself, to stake my claim on my own existence. No God, or prophet, or philosophy or ideology can take that away from me.
I’m not interested in being a God. I REJECT that as even remotely attractive as a proposition. No infantile delusions of grandeur over here. Just a modern reality that still cares enough to participate in these ancient practically obsolete passtimes. 🙂
typo above – I meant to say “I DON’T need to be saved”
If you believe that man can save himself, then you believe that man is god. So simple a caveman can understand it, but you in your wisdom cannot.
Save himself from what? The pacifism of others who are still waiting?
Why does rejecting the need to be saved imply that therefore that person thinks they are God.
God is becoming irrelevant. I pray that human beings won’t follow him and become irrelevant to each other. A human being can certainly save other human beings when they are in need, or didn’t Jesus teach you anything? The crux of Jesus’s teaching certainly went straight over your heads, maybe your brain cells needed more incubation back inside the cave before you stepped out and began spreading your delusions. 🙂
Get over this whole God or not God amateurish tangent. The point is, there are human beings in need of your heightened attention to their current plight. Will you give a damn unless they “accept Jesus” or not Mr “closet racist”? Do you only relate to others who swallow the same myths you’ve swallowed? Where is your humanity? What have you learnt from Jesus other than more entrenched tribalism?
Kids 🙂
Now you are turning to insults. i am pointing out facts and errors in your assumptions, Your puffed up intellect does not like this, and is getting defensive.
God will never become irrelevant. He is creating the world as we speak, but you do not see this. Your Folly has made you blind to the Facts.
You are saying man can and should save himself, and that we do not need God. That is making man his own god, as if we control our own destiny. God is the one that is in control, and the sooner you realize this, the sooner your redemption will come. But somehow your pride will not accept the dependence on God.
You accuse me of being a closet racist. Why because i say that man is dust. There is no race associated with that statement. This is what the Intellectuals always do when faced with the facts. Accusation and mocking. Saying how dumb we who believe in God are. How we do not care. We do not care about the things of this world, we care about your immortal soul. What does it matter if you gain the whole world, and lose your soul. That is what you are doing right now, You are losing your soul by denying God. I do not wish this upon even my enemies. Therefore I am pointing you towards repentence. You are more than welcome to continue in that direction that you are heading in, but KNOW the fact that you are losing your soul in the process.
“God will never become irrelevant”… by your own admission you have submitted to the will of a God you are perpetually waiting for. “Irrelevant” doesn’t do your hopelessness justice.
“getting defensive”… merely replying in kind. You are attempting to persuade me to lose hope in my own ability to think and act for myself. Yes I believe in self-determination, as you said I will be damned if I don’t accept Jesus… well I don’t accept him since he appears to be a largely debilitating influence… but maybe Jesus v2.0 will be more inspiring and I’ll change my mind. I don’t know at this stage, I haven’t been presented with enough facts. I’m not prepared to make a commitment either way at this stage other than to say that I always look out for own interests in the absence of others who look out for me (they’re probably waiting for something – the poor souls).
“He is creating the world as we speak”… I thought he already created it (and in 6 days if you do literal interpretation only – I am yet to see any evidence of metaphorical interpretation from you btw). So you deny that human beings are shaping the Earth with their actions and their day to day choices (such as whether we use public transport or drive a petrol guzzling V8 for example)? You deny that abortions are being decided by women, not by God? I think it’s is hard enough for you to prove that God created the Earth, let alone try to stretch the myth by saying that God is still creating it… or maybe you’re subconsciously acknowledging that mankind is God, the very thing you said was a big no no. Come-on Dru, you’re slipping buddy, I don’t know if I can save you from a losing argument.
“Your Folly has made you blind to the Facts”… since when do you care about FACTS? Using words very loosely, you are. Dru, stuff written on papyrus doesn’t qualify as FACTS, not even in matters of religion buddy. It’s meant to provoke your mind into … that’s right … you guessed it …. THINKING. 🙂
“You are saying man can and should save himself, and that we do not need God.”
No, I’m saying we shouldn’t RELY on God, and that one man can help another man without “waiting for GODOT”.
“God is the one that is in control”… No, God is not typing at this keyboard. God is not filing this divorce. God is not changing this channel. God is not going to make a cup of coffee in a couple of minutes. I think God is resting since the Sabbath has just begun… whereas I am fully in control of my domain of influence. BTW, I’m about to scratch myself without God’s permission or even his remote interest. He trusts me to look after myself because he gave me a lovely brain to make my life USEFULL.
“a closet racist. Why because i say that man is dust”
No, because I sense that you refuse to relate to human beings who are different to you. You seem to be happy to let people in the Middle East die by the hundreds every day while you “wait and wait and wait” because they’re different to you and not worthy of your compassion somehow. The differences might not fall exactly along racial lines, but you’re a smart guy, you get the point. Unlike your God, I believe in your ability to think and deduce better thoughts with every iteration, and I don’t ask you to worship me in exchange for me respecting your existence. Your idea of God is thoroughly demeaning and unacceptable even in religious circles.
Thank you for your concern about my soul. Please redirect your concerns to the socio economic circumstances of your fellow man and leave me perish with my soul. I’m no good to you so let me and my soul be damned to hell. You just try to do something other than care about souls. You don’t have to give up one in order to care for another. Don’t worry about my soul, it died a long time ago. I’m fine. 🙂
Wassim
You expect me to tolerate your beliefs, Yet you do not show the same tolerance for ours, Instead you want us to conform to your beliefs. I told you you can believe what You want. You are trying to tell us to believe what you believe. I asked you why are you here? If we are so lost according to your mighty intellectual judgements, then why even associate with us? Because You love us and want to enlighten us? Well the enlightenment you bring is the same kind that the serpent brought man in the Garden of Eden. We are thinking for ourselves, and have willfully made the choice to serve our creator God instead of the enlightenment of the serpent in the garden.
You, like the serpent want to have others join you on the Wide road. We have chosen to take the narrow road. If that makes us seem narrow minded, then so be it.
You want to Use the Moral standards of God to back up your beliefs, yet you do not acknowledge the bearer of those standards. You can ONLY argue from the point of view of preference, and not from Moral standard of an all powerful God, therefore your arguments hold no water. You are your own god, You make your own rules is what you are saying. We live to serve the One true God, His standards are absolute and true. He has the power to Judge, I do not. He will Judge the souls of Man based on HIS standards, and our intellectual standards amount to a pile of Hay which will burn quickly in the fire of his testing.
People die every day. souls live on forever. some in eternal torment, others in eternal communion with God. I suggest you carefully read those words which i posted to you. The ones about gaining the world and losing your soul. For God is coming to Judge.
What are you doing still writng here? Get your butt on line, and intersect your fire. Plus, stand watch between 0000hrs, and 0400hrs. Are you reading this? Then, get back to work!
Why are you not gaurding women, and children while they sleep? Move it puke face. Or, are you waiting for someone to do it for you!
To slow! Get back inside. Now, when I say fall out, move your lazy arse! Get on line!
You make me sick. Get a stinking haircut, but some polish on those boots, and BZO your weapon. Hurry up! While are you still here? Are you eye ####ing me? Get down, and give me 40! To slow! Jumping jacks! To slow! sit ups! To slow! Star jumps! We will do this until I get tired SFB’s!
Here is a rock. When someone asks for your ID, you give them this rock. Because, you are dumb as a rock. You get that?
All your doing is sucking up O2 that could be used for someone that is part of the solution!
You shouldn’t let crazy people serve in your army. That’s not very humanitarian of you? Crazy people need help. Thank God Jesus will be here soon to help me, because nobody else can save me from this evil drill master who wants me to pay taxes and carry rocks which I do jumping jacks! What are jumping jacks by the way?
Well I know I’m dumb as a rock… can you teach me how to extract taxes out of crazy people please? What if I accept Jesus as my saviour, is it too late for me to understand. Am I totally beyond redemption? If I’m dumb as a rock, can’t you be a good Christian and explain it to me in simple terms that even a stupid dirty Arab can understand? Must I live in my mother’s basement forever, or is there some special school where the teachers explain what they expect the students to learn, or must the students always believe blindly like memorising the times tables?
You know what, I’m going to wait for Jesus. I’m sure he will explain it properly in a way that actually makes sense to us crazy people because he can see into the hearts of men, even crazy men who live in their mother’s basement and need a haircut, or maybe I should get the haircut beforehand. See nothing is explained properly, everything is a riddle. There really is no hope for people like me. I’m just too dumb.
wassim is taking some time to think.
Leatherneck,
Wassim was our “friend” from the other page (144k and the 2 witnesses) He confirmed it by bring up an old argument early on. in our morning debate. And then he did not deny he was from Chicago.
BTW, You make a great drill Sargent, I especially like the “rock” part. Sounds like you have experience.
I dont accept torah alone … it was only designed for the jews and I am not a jew.
I don’t accept judaism alone because the term was only used recently, and judaism reminds me of judah and the prostitute.
I dont accept the jews of today as the chosen people of GOD, because they suppose to be a priestly nation for all the nation, but abandoned that responsibility because the only thing in their mind is a piece of earthly land.
Re- get off my planet .You little magit .who do you think that you are to speak of our Loving Father the way you do .Your planet you say? are you its creator? if you are so power why not make the stars dance .and as far as you creating a god more powerful than our God .Sounds like the Ant- Christ.But even him is nothing than dust in the wind just as you are .Hipocrit .How can you think that you can even move a straw without God .Ungrateful generations .
I am a real thing that exists WITHOUT DOUBT. My existence has merit, can be scientifically proven, and I have a REAL investment in this planet.
I believe in a God but not your debilitating misconception of God.
Your God is a good idea gone bad in your lost pacifist hopeless minds.
The Creator God of Genesis never confirmed his existence to me personally, and I’m not a stooge to swallow myths as fact or enslave my mind to something unnecessarily. If he proves his existence to me, I’ll consider following him. Until then, we all know what happened to Humpty Dumpty. All the kings horses and all the kings men couldn’t put him back together again. 🙂
Your God is a man made political invention. My God is spiritual realisation, a fire that lives inside me and guides my thoughts and actions (all of which are REAL phenomena WITHOUT DOUBT).
Anti-Christ? Hard to be anti something whose existence is debatable. Effectively it means “Anti-whatever-I-currently-believe”.
Amateurs.
Quote: “If he proves his existence to me, I’ll consider following him” … you have chosen the fate of your own spirit. It is HE to decide whether to consider you a follower.
Nonsense. I decide whether I sit at the table and eat the lovely meal, not the meal decides if I’m allowed to eat. Jesus came for everyone, and I decide whether to accept him.
I DON’T. I’M LOYAL TO THE GOD MOST HIGH. UPSTAIRS FROM JESUS’S VANTAGE POINT.
Then You are claiming to be Christ?
The creator God does exist, without a doubt. And the things of this world that you are so invested in will burn and become stubble to be trodden on underfoot. The Only sign he will give you to prove his existence is the sign of Jonah. Repent or die. But that is not “scientific enough for you.” You believe that man is his own god. That your intellect is godly. You have merely made a created thing an object of worship, Just as Romans 1:22-23 states.Faith is the belief in things unseen. when we believe in faith, he reveals himself. If we do not take the leap of faith, we will only see an enemy of the self.
“claiming to be Christ”?
Over qualified. Not interested. I have better things to do like having fun with you lot. 🙂
out of curiosity, how much does it pay? can I work from home? 🙂
Yes You equated “whatever I currently believe” with Christ in the last line of your statement. Who is the amateur here?
Oh, you’ve got me! You overwhelm me with the strength of your argument. I’m the amateur. 🙂
I sense Jesus is getting dressed and ready for his overdue return. I’ll get the ticker tape ready, you bring the sandwiches. Have a good weekend Dru. 🙂
Wassim
Why are you here? Obviously you are not a believer. Is it because you need to reassure yourself why you do not believe? Why is it that those who deny God always have to reassure themselves that there is no God? The reason is because you have doubt. Because when God created man, he put the knowledge of his existence within each and every man. But instead of looking to the real God and worshipping him, You are merely creating your own god to worship. This God is your own intellect, but this god cannot save you. for this god is mortal like all the rest of the pantheon of gods that have come and gone. They have all been destroyed by the one true and living God, The “Existing One”. Your god too will be destryed this way.
See how easily you lose hope Dru? I believe in God, but not the debilitating popular misconception that you prefer. I believe in the God of eternal light, and principled behaviour, and rational thought, and good deeds, and the will and courage to act upon your values and reject debilitating mythology that tries to pigeon hole you and define you as a finite creature with so many limitations.
I love God, and he loves me back too. I have a direct line to God, and I don’t use the Vatican (or their competitors) to patch my calls “operator can you put me through please!!!” 🙂
My God cannot be destroyed, because he doesn’t exist in a knowable sense. The scientists will always say that my God doesn’t exist… and the religious will always debate individual points of difference regarding my conception of God… but I say … bah humbug … he’s my PERSONAL God. I prefer my personal God over all other conceptions, because when it comes to my relationship with God, I’m very selfish and I don’t want to share him with anyone else… although sometimes he rebukes me and tells me that he has other people he wants to spend time with so I feel a little jealous but I guess he’s free to be a God afterall. Who am I to tell him what he can and can’t do, since he hardly asks anything from me except to try to be nice to people (which I regularly fail at because of my pride – you’re right about that). You know, it’s very lonely at the top of the pyramid. 🙂
Lucifer is the light bearer. My hope is built On Jesus Christ. Again, Your standards are not standards at all, because they have no moral authority to back them up. Your standards are merely your preferences. You cannot claim any merit for your preferences over the preferred standards of others, for they conflict the preferences of others. Your personal god is no God at all. he is merely your created god. Your intellect. Your preference.
He is a god created by human hands, an idol.
My God is the existing one. Yahweh. The Alpha and Omega. Go listen to your depeche mode records, and leave us. You are not fooling anybody here as to who you are.
The Aleph and the Tav, the Alpha and the Omega, the 1 and the ZERO, the A and the Z, anything else?
Of course not, I haven’t claimed to be anything that requires blind belief which is the only thing that sways you apparently.
You should quit appropriating other people’s material. Your God is Jesus not Yahweh… Confused amateurs and sore losers to boot. Turn the other cheek pacifist preacher of perpetual ignorance. I tried to be nice to you but you’re being an total tosser now. You go back to your corner and keep waiting for someone else to save you! How pathetic.
As I said in my last comment, you only prove my point.
Yes, I am proud of being able to send electrical pulses from one brain cell to another. If God doesn’t like that, then that version of God is REJECTED BY ME. I decide if a given conception of God is worthy of my acceptance or not, not the other way round.
There is more than one conception of God competing for MY ACCEPTANCE. I am the choser. I am the active ingredient. I EXIST WITHOUT DOUBT.
Again, you prove my point.
In last days People Behavior was written in Timothy 3.
So, these are the signs as we expect.
I wonder if Jesus is watching the Eurovision song contest?
I wonder who he’d vote for? 🙂
Amen Sunimal.
Especially verse 9.
No Dru, you put words into my mouth. You’re welcome to believe what you like and I’m not asking you to conform to anything. I’m only stirring and having fun. Have a good weekend.
“intellect” is an idol? ok Dru whatever. Please don’t insist on spreading your ignorance under the guise of a valid belief system. You’re entitled to keep it to yourself, that’s about the limit of your entitlement complex.
Your stirring is not from God. Let us wallow in our misery, if that is how you see it. Go hang out with your buds in Chicago and stop your nonsense. Your intellect is your Idol. You have put man on the throne where God is supposed to reside. I trust in the Lord, and do not lean on my own understanding (Prov 3:4-5). The Blood of Jesus will protect us from Your kind. Your Judgement is coming, and quickly. You are indeed asking us to conform to your thinking. If you are Just having fun, then depart. But no, you cannot possibly do that, for then it will seem as though you have run away with your tail between your legs, and your pride would not allow for that, now would it? You want followers. People to worship your Idol.
If you think we are ignorant oafs with no brains, how is it then that I have managed to keep your mighty intellect at bay for the past three hours? You Can’t resist your pride, can you? So you will be back for more. And when you come back for more, You will only prove my point even more. That you are trying to get people to conform to your thinking.
Dru, you can’t conform to anything. You said yourself that you have submitted to God’s will. You are a Muslim and you don’t even know it. You refuse to think, so what gives you the temerity to strike keys on a keyboard. Go pray to your God of pacifism and purposeless existence (except if your purpose is to “just wait a little longer”).
You are a moron. If I was Jesus I’d reject you. If I was God I’d reject you. If I was a fellow man I’d reject you. You want to play with fire, we’ll see who has the biggest flame.
As I said, You prove my point.
You didn’t make a point, you just regurgitate the same crap they were shoving down people’s throats centuries ago. You ideological tyrants are history. People will think and they will choose what makes sense to them.
And yet again you prove my point, that you are looking to create followers and worshippers of your intellectual god.
Oh, so that’s your point now? Your point has changed over the course of 5 minutes!
You don’t have a point, you don’t have a brain that is switched ON.
No your folly did not allow you to see my point. Because your pride told you that you were winning.
You should have read Timothy 3, as sunimal suggested. But your “folly is apparent to all now”
You should have read my comment when I said that I don’t accept scripture written after Jesus’s cruci-FICTION. I’m not a puppet of the Roman Empire.
I quoted you the Words of Jesus himself earlier, and you rejected them also. Again your folly is apparent, and you prove my point. Shall we go on.
Why not keep going? Your whole life is waiting for things to be done for you… why don’t you let me write your posts for you too? Would you like me to make a cup of tea for you? How about a foot massage oh Roman master?
Kiss my arse slave-driver. You are an insult to any legitimate God if there is one… but if there isn’t then you are just pure bottom of the barrel subservient Muslim who doesn’t read or think, and has the temerity to associate himself with a failed Jewish sect that was created by politicians whose aim is to enslave the people of the Levant.
Infact, you are not worthy of the humanitarian message of Jesus, because you only believe that you are worthy of death (and waiting for death). Pathetic doesn’t do you justice.
Please go on…. I knew I was wasting my time being nice to you and giving you time of day. You don’t even have the decency to consider a different point of view, do you think you are a civilised human being?
Go on, tell me I’ve proven your point again, because unlike you I’ve actually argued a point of view whereas you don’t even think about what it is you are believing. You said yourself that you think intellect is an idol. What’s the difference between the terrorist who actively kills and the pacifist who rationalises that killing should continue because he’s waiting!
Ok fine… you’re right, I’m wrong. You’re better than me. You go to heaven, I’m going to hell. Have a good life.
The real humanitarian issue of Jesus was to save our souls. The only wise viewpoint worth considering is God’s. The intellect of man is but dust. Until you realize this, then you are serving an idol made with human hands. And You are trying to get us to follow you into oblivion. You are the one that came here mocking us, and praising yourself. You are obviously a mere fool, and the only solution for you is to come to terms with Jesus and repent of your folly. The Good news is that he came to save people like you. To free them from the slavery which you have put yourself under, only you do not realize that it is slavery, because your pride is puffing you up and promising liberty.
This is the very same pride that did not allow you to see the point I was making, because it told you you are winning. But in fact it was only proving to everyone that you are a lost soul wallowing in its own vomit.
If you want, we can do this all day too. When I submitted to God, he showed me my calling. It is found in Isaiah 40:28-31. I am his servant, and i do his bidding. He is the One who gives me strength, and Wisdom beyond measure.
wassim … you remind me of someone I know. If you care to, you could leave your library, humble yourself, and look into the Holy Bible … that is if you care to understand …
There’s something I ran into in the Bible however, that I feel I should share with you
Rom 1:18-23, 25.
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened, Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man … changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever, Amen.”
Thanks Good guy, I hinted at those verses at around 3:30, but never quoted them. That 1st and 2nd chapter of romans is very powerful at convicting the souls of those who do not believe. It is wise to keep it in your repitoire, when the battles hit.
Ok. I fall asleep and wake up to one person’s rant.
It says in the last days, that men will mock God, and say “where is the sign of his coming,” and express unbelief.
this is what just happened.
To understand truth, and peace, you have to understand and obey God.
If not, you become a terrorist, imposing your own wrath upon the earth.
I think Wassim needs to take a break, since he cannot live up to his own standards that he places on God and others.
There has been no peace here, coming from him, but only anger and blasphemy.
So this discussion is OVER.
Sorry Marianne, but that is what woke me at 3:30 this morning as well. I Got a full day ahead of me. I will catch you later.
I agree with Wassim that most religious websites are devoid of the imperatives of the Sermon on the Mount or the Hebrew prophets. From Catholic to evangelicals to the raving sects and cults the message is the same: passive, superior, harsh and crammed with “religiousity”…counting rosaries, repeating prayers over and over, cherry-picking scripture for self justification.
There’s more charity and joy in the movie reviews the kids write on IMBD than 99% of religious sites.
If you are a real Christian, I guess you can understand why this is. Maybe God put this feeling in your heart so that you can do something to change all this … just saying.
1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying , Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of , that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished :
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store , reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish , but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the “DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT ; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat , the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up .
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved , and the elements shall melt with fervent heat ?
13 Nevertheless we , according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest , as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before , beware lest ye also , being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever . Amen.
2 Peter 3.
Praise Yeshua our Savior and KING of kings and LORD of lords. Amen
Perhaps you should take a good look at yourself before like Satan accusing your brothers .Are you so perfect?
Umm Rosa,
Was that comment that you made directed to me?
I am not accusing anybody???
I was lead by the Spirit of Truth to post the above scripture.
So if you have a problem with that, you are welcome to take it up with God the Father.
I am nothing myself, I have given myself up totally to the Lord our Savior.
I am so far from perfect, that I wouldn’t even begin to express that to you.
(I am the very least of His servants.)
But He our Heavenly Savior is Perfect!
So I Trust and Rely Totally on Him and His Shed Blood.
Shalom and Love to you.
Praise Yeshua our Savior and KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Come Yeshua our Glorious LORD, Come. Amen.
a.
So you are saying that as long as you are saved : The hell with the rest of humanity is that it? how selfish can you be .Are we not all of us the branches from the TREE OF LIFE? One body? if we are all children of Adan and Eve we are one .Our blood no matter how many times blended .it is still the same blood of Adam and eve that runs in our veins .Our Lord God is now asking for you help to pray to save his children from the terrible fires .Why are you so stubborn ? Is it not what you can do for your God and not what God can do for you? So Go now and accept the Seal of the living God and join us in the fight against the darkness and the Ant- Christ .That is the only way :You will even enter into paradise .Do not delude yourselves .Unless you join in the fight .you will not be protected from the evil one and from the Beast and the Ant- Christ. Nuclear war about to take place in Europe .Do you know what to do? .Remember that those caught outside their homes .Will be in the hands of Satan!
Rosa,
How can you distort the message of that Scripture in the way that you have?
You are judging me, when you have no idea as to how much I may happen to pray for others, or anything else for that matter?
You are making no sense with what you are saying, so I really have no idea as to how to respond?
I will say, that I forgive you for whatever condemnation you are subjecting me to, for I truly believe that it is misplaced.
I wish you and many, many others the Love and Mercy of God the Holy Father and of the Glorious Son.
Praise Yeshua our Savior, our KING of kings and LORD of lords.
The Bright and Morning Star.
The Holy and Worthy Lamb.
Amen.
Shalom to you.
Love,
a.
I do not understand this ….
no harm was meant….by alientated.
You are a lost cause!
Well if I am a lost cause by trusting Solely in the Shed Blood of Yeshua the Worthy Lamb…. then so be it.
Because I place all of my TRUST in Him and HIM alone.
I am indebted forever and all eternity for what He did for all of us. His Grace and Mercy is Boundless. Amen.
And…..I still forgive you.
Praise Yeshua our Savior and KING of kings and LORD of lords. Amen.
Shalom,
a.
Sorry not time for discussion .I am an Endtime Messenger and have to do the work of God .I will say this much .No insult was intended .Mainly a wake up call.God bless.
i am lost here.
what is wrong?
I see nothing.
Marianne, Alienated
There are a lot of people pushing for a war on a grand scale. The catholic church among them. A Holy war. Wars, and rumors of wars, if you know what I mean. But the end is not yet. War=control, and intolerance of those who disagree. Think white horsemen.
Praying always that you are well my brother.
Miss you too.
Praise Yeshua our Holy Savior, and KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Come our Lord, Come! Amen.
Love,
a.
Alienated,
Good to hear from you as well.
You hit the nail on the head with Wassim, He was one in the same as l&d. You saw it early, Your discernment is far better than mine, or is it my gullibility is better than yours! Search coming holy war if you get the chance. Then read Daniel 11:40-45. Note the Mormon white horse prophecies as well. They will work in tandem, two heads of a lamb. Then read Daniel 12:1ff. These words should Jump off the page, in light of the coming holy war. Then you might see why I see two sets of sevens.
Gotcha Dru,
If they walk like a Duck and “quack” like a Duck….. well….. they’re a “Duck”.
I’ll search out some stuff and see what I find, and get back to ya’s.
Daniel 12 though in my opinion, refers to Rev. 18. and Yeshua’s return to set up His Millennial Kingdom.
Do you agree? (Michael and all of the Angels and Saints coming with the Lord for the Holy battle.)
Love you brother.
Praise Yeshua our Holy Savior and KING of kings and LORD of lords. Amen.
Alienated
12:1ff is part of the second seven, so yes I agree. Note the words at the end of v. 45, and the transition to 12:1 We have an end of one, and a beginning of another. Note the chariots and the horsemen are both involved in the battle.
Marianne******
That would be an interesting post, comparing Daniel 11:40-45 with Zech. 6:1-8, and rev. 6. are the horseman and the chariots the same, or on opposing sides in the battle? I know you did something similar before, but the vision should be more in focus now that we are embarking on them. The next thing after the chariots in Zech. 6 is the rebuilding of the temple, which makes sense.
you guys need to stop trying to proclaim that one person is someone else here
wassim is not L&D
he is not even on the same continent.
I do get what is happening. And I do get what you are doing. You are making false assumptions again.
Because YOU mentioned Chicago, and someone wears a hoody you make a connection??????
You see things that are not there, and then initiate an attack.
Quit doing this.
Dru
You need to stop treating me like I am stupid. I am not stupid. YOU are playing with fire, not me. I understand we are in the end times. Maybe you should look in the mirror more before you start casting others as something they are not.
I am not treating you like you are stupid. That is how you perceive my warning to you. I speak with certainty, because of what the Holy Spirit has confirmed to me. You do not understand certainty and Authority. That is the scientist in you. Science believes in uncertainty. Authority comes from God. Science denies God. Science will not allow you to see, Only the Holy Spirit can. If you have the Holy Spirit in you, You will receive the warning. Faith is the belief in the unseen aka unobservable, or unprovable. Morality is based on Authority. Without an objective Authority, moral law is empty human preference. Do you yield to Authority, or your own human vision. Or do you still see the Holy Spirit in me as my human spirit still? Would you rather that I behave as an Ahab then?
dru
You do not have a monopoly on holiness, or the holy spirit.
False accusations are just that.
Science believes in facts, not uncertainty.
I have faith.
It is arrogance to claim you have authority and others lack it.
I expect all to show respect toward others they disagree with, and not to come to false conclusions.
Truth is the evidence of the holy spirit, and a false conclusion is evidence that he is not part of the decision.
I often witness things people say or threaten others with as being the Holy Spirit, speaking to them and telling them to say things they ought not and which are actually quite personal at times dru and I would caution you to have a greater regard and respect for the Lord in that He speaks with a sincerity, truth, and grace that is rarely heard amongst men on earth and often men blame Him for much of what they say in the flesh as coming from Him and especially using scripture to make their points when it clearly is not. Any well meaning and sincere Christian no matter how simple we may appear to you may hear from the Lord more clearly than braggarts beating others with their megaphones. These are serious days and serious things are happening that frighten people already without beating others with words of contempt. and no matter how you think others are perceiving you it is not often the Lord beats on His children like a slave driver insisting they accept different individuals as something they may not be because they simply claim such ownership of titles they claim. The scripture states that if there is a prophet and he prophecies and what they have said is not true or come to pass then that person is a false prophet. There is nothing that lies between. It is quite clear that any that claim God said something He did not then that person speaks not from Him. So it is that when any of us speak even just as His children we should take great care about flogging others with any claims that do not contain truth in them at any level.
Deuteronomy 18
20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
she does not mean physical war
she means war in the spirit.
Dru,
I couldn’t find much regarding “Coming Holy war”?
Was there a link that you could provide to one specific one?
Praise Yeshua our Savior and KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Come Yeshua our LORD, Come. Amen.
Love,
a.
You should get the idea from this video. It is quite long, and I did not get far
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/endless-war/holy-war-the-coming-warwith-islam-and-who-is-behind-it.html
I can blame none but muslims for this slaughter of so many of the Lord’s children worldwide. To blame Christians like this is an absurd statement indeed. I must say that as for a coming holy war? …Well there are none in heavan like this man and the millions with him slaughtered by muslims and beheaded for his Christianity or Judaiism that would argue that the last 1400 years of holy jihadist war against mankind has not been going on!
I did not and cannot view it but it is enough to see the knife at his neck. I blame none but Islam, muslims and Satan for the millions slaughtered to this hour and hidden by western media. It is the liberalist that support this as much as the muslims by their silence who are responsible. Christianity was already rejected by its founder pedophile and the millions invoked to slaughter the Christian and Jewish peoples for their faith who are responsible for this terrible violence against heavan and earth! I caution anyone to only read the article for I would not have you see the beheadings proudly taped and published by Islam and re-posted by Middle east forum for us to be aware of what is going on.
http://www.meforum.org/3256/tunisia-muslims-slaughter-christian-convert
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3092/tunisia-muslims-slaughter-apostate
http://www.meforum.org/3256/tunisia-muslims-slaughter-christian-convert
A young man appears held down by masked men. His head is pulled back, with a knife to his throat. He does not struggle and appears resigned to his fate. Speaking in Arabic, the background speaker, or “narrator,” chants a number of Muslim prayers and supplications, mostly condemning Christianity, which, because of the Trinity, is referred to as a polytheistic faith: “Let Allah be avenged on the polytheist apostate”; “Allah empower your religion, make it victorious against the polytheists”; “Allah, defeat the infidels at the hands of the Muslims”; “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger.”
Then, to cries of “Allahu Akbar!”—or, “God is great!”—the man holding the knife to the apostate’s throat begins to slice away, even as the victim appears calmly mouthing a prayer. It takes nearly two minutes of graphic knife-carving to sever the Christian’s head, which is then held aloft to more Islamic cries and slogans of victory.
Dru,
I found this on Wikipedia, (regarding the Mormon “White Horse Prophecy”). which I thought was rather interesting. I’ll copy and paste from that source.
Conservative personality Glenn Beck (who joined the LDS Church in 1999) has alleged that President Barack Obama “is going to bring us to the verge of shredding the Constitution, of massive socialism.”[7] On November 14, 2008—following Obama’s election—Beck appeared on Bill O’Reilly’s show The O’Reilly Factor and said that “we are at the place where the Constitution hangs in the balance, I feel the Constitution is hanging in the balance right now, hanging by a thread unless the good Americans wake up.”[7] Earlier in November, while interviewing US Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah (also a Mormon), Beck remarked: “I heard Barack Obama talk about the Constitution and I thought, we are at the point or we are very near the point where our Constitution is hanging by a thread.”[7][24][25] Hatch appeared on Beck’s Fox News show in January 2009, and Beck prompted him by declaring “I believe our Constitution hangs by a thread.”[7]
LDS blogger and religious commentator Joanna Brooks has said that “it is likely that Beck owes his brand of Founding Father–worship to Mormonism…. Many Mormons also believe that Joseph Smith prophesied in 1843 that the US Constitution would one day ‘hang by a thread’ and be saved by faithful Mormons”.[26] Washington Post journalist Dana Milbank has described Beck’s views as essentially “White Horse Prophecy meets horsemen of the apocalypse”[7]—though Milbank has also observed that the White Horse Prophecy is “actually a fairly benign prophecy. They’re talking about restoring law and order and peace and tranquility. It doesn’t sound like a violent thing.”[27]
In 2009, Idaho gubernatorial candidate Rex Rammell announced plans to hold a series of meetings with believing Mormon men, which were to include discussion of the White Horse Prophecy.[28][29] In response, LDS Church officials issued a statement saying the church is “politically neutral” and hoping that “the campaign practices of political candidates would not suggest that their candidacy is supported by or connected to the church.”[30][31] Rammell later retracted his original plan to limit his meetings only to LDS men, apologizing to “all those citizens who are not members of the LDS faith, who have expressed a sincere interest in attending my meetings and discussing this prophecy and how we can step forward and save the United States Constitution”.
Here’s the link for anyone else that is interested… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Prophecy
Praise Yeshua our Savior and KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Amen.
Note the Peace and security part of it. This is one head like a lamb.
glenn beck is right about what is happening to the constitution.
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Actually, it was a narrow gateway into Jerusalem . The camels were unloaded, so they could get through it.
It is a very short time, and the Lord showed him a NEEDLE…let us heed repent and seek to follow JESUS in all we do while we still have this short short time to do it…Jesus bless you
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Dru .You are a very evil person always twisting the truth .The Holy Army of God has nothing to do with Muslims .it is the end time Holy Army of God that fights against the forces of darkness in fact we fight against anyone who is in legion with the evil one and the ant- Christ .so get your facts before typing your great sinful posts.
Rosa
I think you and dru are on two different wavelengths.
You are talking about a spiritual war.
He is talking about a physical one.
I think this is what Rosa means.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM
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amen to that rosa … the war is against those who denies Jesus Christ for what He had been glorified by the Father to be, regardless of their affiliation.
Thanks Marianne for the info .And might I say this:What else is new with drew ?he always miss interpret all that is not convinient to him.
Once again, there is falsehood with the Universal Church. Note to all Christians who follow Jesus. The war is won. It is now a battle for souls.
Old Knob will misslead as many as it can away from G-d. Paganism about war between good, and evil is just that. Paganism. The war is over. The son of G-d, the word made flesh has won. Soon, G-d the Father will send the word made flesh back to earth to claim what is won. Try to remember the kingdom of G-d is inside us, and when we look at others we are suppose to see creatures created, and loved by G-d the Father.
What’s “Old Knob”?
there is still a war…..
War on this scale =control and intolerance of dissent. That is how they get away with murder. Our war is not against flesh and blood, but rather principalities and powers. They want Souls. They want our allegiance. It is just a means to capture souls.
try an arrogant soul as the accuser of the brethren, consumed with pride and a religious spirit, a spirit that Christ hated. and a spirit that crucified the Master.
“There is still war…” I am not sure. I know there is still fighting between the force of love which is G-d the Father, and the fallen one who hates G-d’s human creation. However, Lucifer’s war against G-d has been defeated.
Lucifer continues to fight as he was given respite until judgement day, and those that were not cast into darkness are with him fighting across the globe. As they are judged already, knowing they have lost, they wish to take as many human souls with them as they can.
Perhaps, The Nazis knew they had lost, and it was a matter of time. Yet, they continued to fight, and everything was destroyed in a lost cause.
Our fight is on the spiritual plane, but it shows it’s self on the physical with murder, lack of love, and falsehoods which help keep humans from turning to the face of G-d for forgiveness.
This is what you mean right?
alienated .That post was not referred to you .it was for leatherneck.Sorry that i did not posted the name who’s intent was to be the receiver of the message .Again so sorry
Dru is an absolute moron who thinks all his opinions are from “The Holy Spirit”, and if you disagree with his OPINIONS and BELIEFS then you obviously don’t believe in truth, authority, morality, the holy spirit… blah blah blah….
Jesus would be ashamed of morons like that speaking in his name. Dru, you are a moron PERIOD. The holy spirit is wasted on your moronic grey matter. You can’t even be nice to your fellow Xtians, let alone be nice to other people who are different from you.
It is definately the last days, there is no doubt in my mind about that at all.
There are such spirits of hatefulness and anger that center in on anyone who stands for the truth of the Word of God. The advisary knows that his time is very short now and his minions are manifesting through the flesh of many. Were it not for the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost in His children’s lives, this world would be even worse than what it already is. Many of the inhabitants of the world are now reprobate in mind-they refuse to hear the truth and will in fact rip you to pieces any way that they can.
I have to look at my life daily, sometimes moment by moment now. Am I adding fodder to the flames around me? Have I actually spoke out because I have felt impressed of the Holy Ghost to do so, or am I in the flesh? We
are told in the Word that “obedience is better than sacrifice”…..if I don’t stop to hear His voice, how am I to know what it is that He would have me be doing? Our protection is found in following His guidance, His Word, and His Spirit.
I wonder if the time for words is over, because the moving for actually serving the Lord is long over due. If we know Jesus, we know that there is a lot more to serving God than just words…
God bless you all, and may He guide us in His truth.
I have put this here because I want people who hear things that people throw at them as from the Lord and they turn out not to be true or so, that they need not be afraid as the Lord says in this text and this text applies to our day as much as long ago for the Word of the Lord never changes. The Lord says, You shall not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18
22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
God bless and guide His children and help us all to learn to take great care with the words we speak to one another.
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666 will be embedded, its number hidden, into a chip which you will be forced to accept just as you would any vaccination.
Friday, June 1st, 2012 @ 08:15 pm
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My dearly beloved daughter the antichrist is preparing, already, his peace plan which he will introduce soon after the wars become widespread in the Middle East and when the pain and terrible anguish means there is no sign of hope.
Then he will appear suddenly and announce himself to the world as a man of peace, a bright jewel which will sparkle in the midst of darkness.
As he emerges he will be seen as one of the most charismatic political leaders of all time.
His handsome, appealing and caring personality will fool the majority of people.
He will exude love and compassion and will be seen to be Christian. In time he will draw many followers who will grow in their numbers so that he becomes like Me, the Messiah.
He will be seen to promote unity among all nations and he will be loved in almost every country in the world.
Then he will be seen to have supernatural skills. Many will believe that he has been sent by My Father and that he is Me, Jesus Christ, Saviour of the World.
They will pray to him, love him, give up their lives for him and he will laugh and mock them when they cannot see him.
This will be the biggest deception of all time and the plan is to steal your souls, to take you away from Me.
He and the False Prophet, who will sit like a King in the Seat of Peter, will secretly plot a one world religion.
This will appear to be a Christian type religion which promotes love. It will, however, not promote love of one another which comes from God. Instead it will promote love and allegiance to the antichrist and love of oneself.
The abomination does not stop there for when they have seduced God’s children the attack will begin.
Suddenly all will be asked to accept the one world Mark of Allegiance. A united world which all men will have to partake in.
It will control your money, your access to food and how you live.
Rules, many of them, will mean that you will become prisoners. The key to your cell, which keeps you under their control, will be the Mark of the Beast.
666 will be embedded, its number hidden, into a chip which you will be forced to accept just as you would any vaccination.
Once embedded it will poison, not only your mind and soul, but your body. For it will cause a plague designed to wipe out much of the world’s population.
You must not accept the Mark. Instead I will instruct you what to do.
Many will accept the Mark because they will feel helpless.
The Seal of the Living God, My Crusade Prayer (33) is your lifeline.
When you receive My Seal of Protection, given to you by My Eternal Father, you will not have to accept the Mark.
You will not be touched. Your home will not be seen, searched or a target for it will be rendered invisible in the eyes of Satan’s army.
You will need to keep food hidden which will last a few years. You will need to grow your own crops, store your own water and keep all Holy objects around you.
My Remnant Church will grow and spread out and you will be given shelter if it is needed.
Much planning is needed now.
Those who laugh at what you do, or say, surely Jesus would not ask you to do this? Does He not supply all His followers at their time of need?
Even one loaf and one fish can be multiplied. So it does not matter if you only have some food for I will protect you and you will be safe.
Pray hard for those souls who will be unable to avoid the Mark.
Those innocent souls will be saved who are in a state of grace at the time of being forced to accept the chip.
The rest of you must plan to protect your family and your allegiance to the Holy Eucharist and the Mass.
When the antichrist devours all religions the only weapons which he will be powerless against is the Holy Mass and the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into My Body and Blood in the Holy Eucharist.
My Masses must continue. Those of you who know this must gather in numbers now and start the preparations.
The sooner you prepare the more graces you will be given to grow your ranks around the world.
The Rock will become laden with a new building which they say will be My New Temple. But this is untrue.
But when the persecution ends My Remnant Church and My Chosen People will have the Temple rebuilt and My New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven.
She will descend in glory. The trumpets will be heard in Heaven and on earth at the same time.
And then I will come. You, my daughter will herald my arrival and many will fall on the ground and weep with relief, love and joy in ecstasy.
For, at last the moment they have been waiting for. The skies will light up, the thunder will peal and the choirs of angels will sing in sweet unison as all God’s children will welcome the True Messiah.
I, Jesus Christ, will come to judge. And the Heavens and the Earth will become one.
The New Glorious splendour, the renewed earth, will emerge and the New Paradise will embrace all those whose names are in the Book of the Living who will unite as one.
And while the end of the old earth, soiled with the stain of sin, will have come to an end the New Era is only beginning.
This is what you must strive for. This is what you are entitled to as part of your natural inheritance.
Only focus on the saving of all souls.
This is why you must ignore the obstacles presented to you. The persecution. The pain. The horror of evil by the hands of others. All that matters is the saving of souls.
Your Saviour Jesus Christ
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666 will be embedded, its number hidden, into a chip which you will be forced to accept just as you would any vaccination.
Friday, June 1st, 2012 @ 08:15 pm
Download article as PDF
My dearly beloved daughter the antichrist is preparing, already, his peace plan which he will introduce soon after the wars become widespread in the Middle East and when the pain and terrible anguish means there is no sign of hope.
Then he will appear suddenly and announce himself to the world as a man of peace, a bright jewel which will sparkle in the midst of darkness.
As he emerges he will be seen as one of the most charismatic political leaders of all time.
His handsome, appealing and caring personality will fool the majority of people.
He will exude love and compassion and will be seen to be Christian. In time he will draw many followers who will grow in their numbers so that he becomes like Me, the Messiah.
He will be seen to promote unity among all nations and he will be loved in almost every country in the world.
Then he will be seen to have supernatural skills. Many will believe that he has been sent by My Father and that he is Me, Jesus Christ, Saviour of the World.
They will pray to him, love him, give up their lives for him and he will laugh and mock them when they cannot see him.
This will be the biggest deception of all time and the plan is to steal your souls, to take you away from Me.
He and the False Prophet, who will sit like a King in the Seat of Peter, will secretly plot a one world religion.
This will appear to be a Christian type religion which promotes love. It will, however, not promote love of one another which comes from God. Instead it will promote love and allegiance to the antichrist and love of oneself.
The abomination does not stop there for when they have seduced God’s children the attack will begin.
Suddenly all will be asked to accept the one world Mark of Allegiance. A united world which all men will have to partake in.
It will control your money, your access to food and how you live.
Rules, many of them, will mean that you will become prisoners. The key to your cell, which keeps you under their control, will be the Mark of the Beast.
666 will be embedded, its number hidden, into a chip which you will be forced to accept just as you would any vaccination.
Once embedded it will poison, not only your mind and soul, but your body. For it will cause a plague designed to wipe out much of the world’s population.
You must not accept the Mark. Instead I will instruct you what to do.
Many will accept the Mark because they will feel helpless.
The Seal of the Living God, My Crusade Prayer (33) is your lifeline.
When you receive My Seal of Protection, given to you by My Eternal Father, you will not have to accept the Mark.
You will not be touched. Your home will not be seen, searched or a target for it will be rendered invisible in the eyes of Satan’s army.
You will need to keep food hidden which will last a few years. You will need to grow your own crops, store your own water and keep all Holy objects around you.
My Remnant Church will grow and spread out and you will be given shelter if it is needed.
Much planning is needed now.
Those who laugh at what you do, or say, surely Jesus would not ask you to do this? Does He not supply all His followers at their time of need?
Even one loaf and one fish can be multiplied. So it does not matter if you only have some food for I will protect you and you will be safe.
Pray hard for those souls who will be unable to avoid the Mark.
Those innocent souls will be saved who are in a state of grace at the time of being forced to accept the chip.
The rest of you must plan to protect your family and your allegiance to the Holy Eucharist and the Mass.
When the antichrist devours all religions the only weapons which he will be powerless against is the Holy Mass and the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into My Body and Blood in the Holy Eucharist.
My Masses must continue. Those of you who know this must gather in numbers now and start the preparations.
The sooner you prepare the more graces you will be given to grow your ranks around the world.
The Rock will become laden with a new building which they say will be My New Temple. But this is untrue.
But when the persecution ends My Remnant Church and My Chosen People will have the Temple rebuilt and My New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven.
She will descend in glory. The trumpets will be heard in Heaven and on earth at the same time.
And then I will come. You, my daughter will herald my arrival and many will fall on the ground and weep with relief, love and joy in ecstasy.
For, at last the moment they have been waiting for. The skies will light up, the thunder will peal and the choirs of angels will sing in sweet unison as all God’s children will welcome the True Messiah.
I, Jesus Christ, will come to judge. And the Heavens and the Earth will become one.
The New Glorious splendour, the renewed earth, will emerge and the New Paradise will embrace all those whose names are in the Book of the Living who will unite as one.
And while the end of the old earth, soiled with the stain of sin, will have come to an end the New Era is only beginning.
This is what you must strive for. This is what you are entitled to as part of your natural inheritance.
Only focus on the saving of all souls.
This is why you must ignore the obstacles presented to you. The persecution. The pain. The horror of evil by the hands of others. All that matters is the saving of souls.
Your Saviour Jesus Christ
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Holy Scripture tells of a great falling away at the end of time and this is apparent. THIS DOES NOT INVALIDATE THE TRUTH OF AUTHENTIC CHRISTIANITY,, but confirms it.
Mankind has only 2 Marks of distinction. Satans or Christs. How long will you hold to your traditions and not hear the truth.
Mankind has only 2 fortresses called Palisades in Rev. 13:16 that is the root word for the meaning of the Mark in that Scripture. Either the World or the Word is your fortress.
If you die lost TODAY where are you going. Their are only 2 places you going. Heaven back to God or Hell where you was living when you died.
Only 2 ways you can lives- In Death or LIfe – —
A hundred years ago you was the future – NOW you are either Lost = have the Mark of the World’s Spirit IN YOU — or you are filled with the Holy Spirit and that is Called the “KINGDOM OF GOD”
Only 2 ways you can Walk after your natural Birth – In Darkness or In the Light
ON and On and ON — yi yi yii yi – get out of the denominational thinking and teachings and God will show you the truth of the bible. TRUTH is a continuity from Genesis to Revelation – Tree of life and death in Genesis and there is a Tree of Life and Death in book of Revelation. Which one you gonna eat off of.
Which ever one you eat from will take you to Heaven or Hell.
Bro. Haggi is a good man – No doubt Hal lindsey is a good man – No doubt that Jack van empty – has the NT memorized and a good man – but they do not have the Revelation of the Book of Revelation. Period – Do not false prophets come in sheep clothing. There are only 2 gates to enter – not 3 gates. If I believed the Mark of the Beast is different that being lost and going to hell. Then there must be 3 gates. But that aint what the Bible says is it. In Matt. 7 — only 2 gates and 2 houses – one house looks just like the other one. But the Foundation is sure not the same. Faith comes The pure unadulterated Word of God – When man touch’s it with his own thinking it becomes Babylon period.
Don’t let it shock you that the WHOLE world lies in DEATH. If you love the World and the things in the World then Death abides on you and you eating from the Tree of Death whether you know it or not. Their is no GREY AREA in Thus saith the Lord. Thats why People have always hated Thus saith the Lord. And wanted to kill it. probably many of you right now would like to get rid of me for saying what I said. But its the truth anyway.
If you do not believe that Jesus Comes in the flesh then you are an ANTI-CHRIST – That means you do not know nothing about what a NEW BIRTH really is. A New Birth is a death to the tree of Death – So you can eat and Live only by the Tree of life. Yes you might sin, you will make mistakes, but your very essence of being is for Christ ONLY. When I was a sinner. My whole essence of life was for the World and not Christ. I did some good things etc. etc. But my desire and whole essence and Character was loving the things of the World. When I met Christ and He came into me. My Worlds changed. The other way around now. God bless you all – Bro. Tom
I think the bottom line here is that no matter how it manifests on a physical level, the spiritual level is what counts.
I feel sorry for you .You know that place called heaven that you envision being your home.well unless you start believing in the true messages of Jesus Christ .You will never get there!
On what fallacy do you get that Rosa – What evil have I written to make you think such a thing. I have Heaven living in me right NOW – The Kingdom of God and HIS righteousness.
Heaven is a Person named Jesus Christ. The Tree of life –
I got saved listening to the Pentecostals for 10 years. I felt the Spirit of God but I recieved the Spirit of God when I recieved the Word of God. I did not have to have music anymore to make me happy or feel good. Or entertainment etc. I got tired of the Milk and found some real MEAT to chew on. Then Jesus Came – and woke me up out of my sleep.
Jesus said in Jh. 6:33 the Words I speak unto you – they are SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE. The Deciples recieved the Spirit of Jesus Christ on Day of Pentecost AFTER they walked with Jesus for 3 years = the Living manifested WORD .
The Seal of God is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit the Word manifested IN YOU. Judas and millions of Pharisees and Sadducess – like catholic and protestants in our today – were the religion’s of that day, and where not there. Rome killed millions of them in 70 AD. the Rest ran off into the abyss of the world . Matt. 7 Jesus said – and FEW they be that find it.
Have a great day and may you be blessed in the Word as I have been.
I think the holy spirit is the seal of God.
I will not argue with you anymore Marianne.Jesus said that all that we have to do is to introduce you to the messages .The rest will be up to you .Anyway you and others none believers are about to go through the illumination of consciousness just like the rest of us and your salvation will depend whether you repent or not .I have done all that has been asked of me .I cannot do anymore .The rest depends on you .Good Luck.
Rosa
I am not arguing with you. 🙂
I agree that the chip is also a mark.
In WW-2 era — Most all Christians thought the Social Security # was the mark. It was absolutely a big deal in that day with Hitler coming on the scene and Communism and Musolini –
Yes Hitler was a perfect type of anti-christ. Why —- Because he actually confessed he was a Christian. Its on tape in the books. That is the anti-christ Spirit that will decieve the multitudes —- Thinking you are something that you are not. And your Character is just the Opposite of your confession of Christ. Hope this helps some — God bless you Marianne I sure like your testimony.
Hi to all and sundry. Just to say the ones who are truly sacrificing their children to molech, and not only their sons and daughters, but anyone else who is stupid enough to believe their lies are the zionist Jews. Since 1913 when the ADL was formed, and America sold out on it’s sovereignty to the zionist cause more than any other period, any form of criticsm levelled at the zionist agenda is branded an act of anti-semetism or terrorism. The true anti-semites (especially when you consider the true origins of those who claim to be Jewish and who are not ref: Benjamin Freedman/Jewish Encyclopaedia etc), the so called Jews/zionists are the real anti-semites. Also, the star of David for example, which adorns the Israeli flag has nothing to do with Israel, as the hex-agram was the seal of chemosh which king Soloman adopted for his own seal. The star of chemosh is also the mark of ritual for secret societies such as Freemasonary…it never was the star of David…lies and even more lies in this liarocracy of anglo-American zionist controlled bulls$$t.
As for Hitler and nazi Germany, Hitler was up until the American zionists declared a holy war on Germany, was kind to the Jews with Germany being the safest country in the world for Jews to live. It was the zionist boycott on Germany of 1933 (Daily Express March 24th 1933), which brought about the beginning of tough laws againts Jews which restricted their movements for fear fo collaoration with their American zionist cousins in this zionist declared holy war. So why did the zionists unite against Germany and organize huge rallys in the States. As Sir Winston Churhill said: Hitlers most heinous crime was to sidestep the zionist banksters by removing Germany from the control of the International Bankers!!!
Hjalmer Schacht (a Rothschild agent) who at the time was the head of the German Central Bank, put things like this when an American banker said: “Dr Schacht, you should come to America. We’ve lots of money and that’s real banking.” To which Dr Scacht replied, “You should come to Berlin, we don’t have real money..that’s real banking.” A Canadian researcher (also a Jew..can’t remember his name for the mo) also said the main reason for WWII was Hitler sidestepping the banksters, and had established a precedent for other countries to follow, and find freedom from the tyranny of Talmudic zionism. The amazing genius of Hitlers economic plan was despite the holy war on Germany, and denying Hitler’s government credit, and boycotting German industry, Germany still managed to restore foreign trade against all the odds of zionist aggression. Germany effectively cut-out the banksters from the German economic and political equation. The barter and work receipt system that Germany adopted, proved its worth by eliminating national debt and trade deficits, even though the rest of America and Europe were still in the cluthes of a zionist induced depression..all to the annoyance of the zionist banksters :(!
So exactly how many families have been sacrificed by the zionists banksters. The English Civil War; the French Revolution; WWI; The Russian Revolution; WWII; Korean War; Vietnam; Iraq War; Afghanistan; the current blockade of Iran. How many families have been made fartheless; widows; and orphans by the greed of the zionist banksters..how many individuals blood cry out to the Almighty because of usury and unjust gains of the zionist agenda…100’s of millions. Ezekiel 18:12-13 “Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to idols, hath committed abomination, Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.” Also Ezekiel ch 22. Read also billions for bankers, debts for people (1982). Also Los Angeles Attorney Ellen Brown “Web of Deceipt.”
The Talmudic doctrine/cult is the primary basis for the zionist hate cause of anything non-Jewish..and sometimes against their own people where it has proved to be expedient to sacrifice their own to the god of money!!!
you have never read the talmud.
these are all lies you believe
get saved
Almost forgot..coffee was beckoning. Genocide Talmudic teaching! Some Israelis take part in a National Pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honour this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. On Purim Feb 25th 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Jew from Brooklyn (nice place Brooklyn), massacred 40 Palestinian civilians (including children), whilst they knelt in prayer at a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the decesaed Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane, who told CBS News that his teaching that Arabs are “dogs” is derived from the Talmud.” Also, Soferim 15, Rule 10. Quoting the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: ” Tob shebe goyim harog or “even the best of the gentiles should be killed.” There are many other passages from the Talmud to which we could refer which are both anti-Christ and anti-gentile, all of which has manifested itself in one form or another in the zionist world of banking; politics; economics; social policies; media; and even religion with zionist control over the Vatican and other demoniations.
A. Homer, wrote the following in Judaism and Bolshevism page 7: “History shows that the Jew has always been, by nature a revolutionary and that, since the dispersion of his race in the second century, he has either initiated or assisted revolutionary movements in religion, politics and finance, which weakened the power of the States wherin he dwelt. On the other hand, a few far-seeking members of that race have always been at hand to reap financial and political advantage coincident with such upheavals.”
There are so many qoutes from history as well as historical recrds that show that the Jews/zionists are responsible for hell caused by usury, and their political machinations. The whole of history is litterd, ideed cluttered with their toxic polution, it’s no wonder that Yahweh will bring a time of troblke upon them Dan 12, and yet Yahweh wishes to gather His people under His wings, and forgive their iniquity..come Lord Jesus and fulfill the Will of the Farther and restore Israel to the Farthers i.e. the faith of Abraham; Isaac; and Jacob, to claense that nation from the presumption that they are Jews based upon bloodline, to one of being a true Jew by changing their hearts to believe in Jesus Christ.
you never read the talmud.
Jews have only defended themselves against terrorists who want them dead.
the Hadiths of muhammed teach that Jews are dogs.
Arabs can be dogs. Even Jesus referred to gentiles as dogs. Their behavior and animal nature many times take over and they exhibit no humanity.
Jews, historically, have been victims, not initiators.
Israel will be invaded, but God will come to its rescue.
You misrepresent yourself as a christian.
you lack the heart of jesus, and need to repent.
Well I have to say Mariane, I believe it is you and your cronies who misrepresent yourselves as Christians!
First and foremost, it is the scriptures that takes the nation of Israel to task, and not me. As a watchman/woman we are responsible to engage in reconniassance operatopns that reports accurate observations, especially in matters concerning the nation of Israel, as well as other world events. The centre stage of world events is taken up by the nation of Israel, with Israel and the Jews being the absolute and undeniable proof of Yahwh’s existence. Indeed, if anyone wants one single proof that God exists, then it’s Israel, and the return of the Jews to their historical homeland that provides it.
Whether it’s prophecy or the parables of Jesus, the focal point of all issues where mankinds disobedience is concerned, is the nation of Israel. It goes without saying that the book of Revelation, which builds on all of those prophecies and teachings, it remains true that Israel is that same unfaithful nation, which Yahweh is going to cleanse from her defilements.
On the one hand, whilst the scriptures takes issue with the Jews (mostly the ruling classes and their cronies), neither is it an invitation to sound the trumpet against them. On the other hand, whilst the scriptures are keen to show that it’s Yahwehs express purpose to save the Jews from their enemies, neither is an invitation to appluad their misdeeds.
Even when Abraham..Gen 18. (a lesser man than Jesus) intercedes for Sodom and Gomorrah, Yahweh stays His hand of judgement upon a vile nation, unless there are less than ten righteous people remaining in Sodom and Gomorrah. That doesn’t say good things for the nation of Israel, for whom Jesus said when he commissioned his disciples to preach throughout the towns Of Israel if that city should not receive Christ’s teachings..Math 10:15: “Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of Judgement, than for that city.” The nation of Israel doesn’t receive of Yahweh’s judgements for nothing, and in Dan 12 the severity of judgements about to be poured out on the nation of Israel: “and there shall be a time of trouble, such as NEVER WAS since there was a nation even to that same time…” all point to very serious and extreme behaviour and unbelief on the part of Israel/Jews at the appointed time. And true enough God will intervene and send Messiah again to rescue the Jew, but only at the point where they humble themselves, and manifest the faith of their farthers.
Oh yes Marrianne, so when you keep on about the Jews having done nothing wrong, you misrepresent the facts as my post above points out. Again that doesn’t give me licence to trash the Jews in any way, however, when scripture says they are wrong and that’s the reason why Yahweh is going to punish them, then without prejudice I have no option but to see it God’s way. You are trying to be the prophet of smooth things, and give false hopes to itching ears.
Regarding the matter of the term “dog” being an insult levelled at gentiles etc. Just to say that is true and is confirmed in Isa 53. However, it was not used by Jesus in that manner, and the bible uses more than one derogatory term where the unfaithful Jew is concerned such in Math 10: “I send you forth as sheep (disciples) in the midst of wolves (unbelieving Israel).” I suppose dogs and wolves are the same species, allbeit different families. To say that Jesus was insulting would be to insult Jesus, as it goes against the character of the Son of God, and the prophecies concerning him Isa 53:7 “He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth..”. Jesus did not insult anyone, however, the term “dog” was indeed that of wild ravenous dogs, like those that would scavange the refuse tips outside city walls. Jesus wasn’t applying the insult, instead he was saying to the woman the gentiles are reckoned to be nothing more than untamed animals without a master, therefore prove the accusation to be true or false..your answer will either acquit you of unbelief or accuse you of it..this is how the Holy Spirit judges people..by their own mouths and no doubt it will be the same at the judgement.
You are right to say I have never read the whole Talmud, however, I have read excerpts from it, as well as commentaries on the anti-Christ rhetoric that’s in the Talmud. The Talmud has been the basis for much of the zionist politics which is the world today, and the reason why Christianity gets a heavy hammering from various institutions such as the press; education; and legislation. You only need to read the Protocols of the elders of Zion to see how the zionist elite, either in politics; banking; industry; media; security; and the like have forged ahead with their anti-Christ policies. That’s not to defend the apostate religion of Islam, but to tell the truth behind the lies whether it’s Islam or Zionism. What most people (including yourself) don’t seem to appreciate, is the fact that zionism as a political entity has absolutely nothing to do with biblical zionism i.e. Christ the Messiah taking the throne of David to rule the world from Jerusalem, and establish the Kingdom of Yahweh on earth..with a remanant of Jews who are saved at Christ’s coming, who are also included in the Commonwealth of the New Israel from above.
To understand how the political zionism you support has corrupted every sphere of life, would mean giving you a detailed history of the influnce of zionism in the world of politics; media; banking; industry; education etc etc. One thing you can be sure of, I have the historical records and books to hand to give you that history lesson..even from the mouths of Jews themselves, as well as their own publications!!!
You are right marianne. This British Israel new day nazi-Islamist Jew basher needs desparately to be saved and you behind the lies are bashing Jews and would do well to read something besides the anti-semetic revisionist hate mongering filth you obviously subscribe to in life. You preach lies and hate that is churned out by thousands who hate Jews and love to blame them for the very sin that was committed to them when the Papal Europe would let no Jew own land or work at any thing but money lending and merchandising. It was illegal for Jews to do anything else in Papal controlled lands than to lend their money which they rarely got back….they could buy no land or businesses anywhere but were slated to wander and could only lend money under the Papal whore…. Ironic when people know nothing of history and babble on about lies of those they love to hate. The British are good at that today and more is the pity. Ironically the Jewish people were allowed only two things to do and were rented the slums at absorbent prices and today the Lord has given them what the Europeons and others discarded to them in abundance and I a gentile think it is the Lord letting the world reap for their hatred and thousands of years of stealing and slaughtering the Jews where ever they chased them.
Today it is the day of the judgement to the gentiles and make no mistake you behind the lies that the gentiles have begun to be judged for their great evil to Israel and to God for He it is that has indeed gathered them from the four corners of the earth to their own land that He said He would over and over in Prophecy and He it is who will cause the gentiles like you to fall upon your knees before Him to see the evil aspersions you have cast upon His innocent house of Israel whose Judgements were past long ago. It is not they who are to be judged now but the gentiles whose hatred for HIs children Israel and the innocent slaughtered by Islam must be rebuked.
The scriptures declare this so if you actually read the scriptures without the vile replacement theology veil upon your eyes that is so full of ancient Papal hatred of Jews and today is now tainted by Islamic hatred and fascist hatred of Jews and Christians. You are blind and you cannot see the terrible hatred and lies you spew about His two witnesses on the earth. Oh what a tragedy for we hear so many speak from this vile revisionist fascist anti-semetic hatred spewed through the internet for the likes of your hatred to cling to and spread again. Shame shame shame upon all of you who take up the sword of Satanic lies to spread your hatred of the Jews. You shall rue the day you all spread their lies and anti-semitism and yet what can save you if you choose such blind hatred and lies? Return to the Jewish Yeshua who died to save all who repent of their sins, hatreds and lies for He alone can save you but you must repent of these evil lies and seek His cleansing forgiveness.
I am sorry marianne but someone must speak plainly to such lieing hatred because these anti-semetic lies are all over the internet and are not answered to but at least here one may correct them properly so their lies to not gain ground to grow.
that is fine. good comment.
Well well well Marie Jean, it would appear that you just like your other cronies on this Zionist site, are defrauding both yourselves and others of the truth. Perhaps, you are also one of the wolves (in sheeps clothing), who like the Pharisees were only bent on devouring the flock of Yahweh.
The reason that Jesus warned his disciples against the wolves of his day (Jews), was unlike dogs (as menacing as the Gentiles were), were only scavengers, as opposed the pack mentality of wolves who club together for the KILL! Yes, most Jews in Christ’s day were united as a pact against the Lord Jesus, and you stand side by side with them in your sheeps clothing! The bible speaks volumes against the wolves, who are recognised spiriyually as Sodom Isa 1:10 and Rev 11:18..whose cup is filled with the blood of the saints and martyrs Math 23:35..where our Lord was crucified in that most horid of places spiritual Babylon i.e. Jerusalem!
So, you can talk all you like about revisionist history, and yes such history has much to say in the light of bible prophecy. If you would care to challenge me on any point of history in an intelligent way, instead of the dribble you come out with to avoid the issues presented, then please feel free to do so, and we will see where it leads. Should be very interesting, and who knows you might get an education in the process 🙂 !
it seems like you have a lot of “kill” in you yourself
I hope you find the truth in Jesus
I am sorry I am late here but your words are in need of a response I imagine you think you do not need but you are in grave danger.
The Truth hurts when you do not live by it and the scriptures here clearly designate those who claim to be Jew and are not to be of the synagogue of Satan. You walk in a dangerous place but while you live you may yet repent of this evil deed and evil lies and thoughts you spread that you may yet be saved for Christ, the Jewish Christ has made a way for us all.
You have nothing to educate with for in your vanity and lies you have cast off the Lord and His Word for His warning is clear and written for the likes of you who clings to lies.
William Branham, one of many,was an heretic whose heresies and false claims and teachings of becoming a tribe of Israel through Christ, to become a Jew is only one of many sad trails of lies to deceive and of which you have obviously fallen under. Yes you are fallen who dare to call yourself a Jew and are not for many false teachers have come forward with such claims and brag over your chains that drag you to hell. Take care for these are terrible things to claim which are not yours and the theft shall be rued by all who vainly do so.
We Gentiles are a branch grafted in as Paul says, into the true root and tree Israel through the Branch Yeshua, the Lord Jesus Christ who dies for all and we are warned by Him through Paul to not be High and Mighty but submissively love our bretheren and root and tree and Branch that we are grafted into for everyone knows that when you graft a branch onto a fruit tree that that branch does not become the tree or any of the other branches but gains its’ succour and life from the tree and root but its’ nature and type of fruit changes not thus if I a Spartan apple is grafted to a Granny Smith apple tree, will never become a Granny Smith but only ever produce what I am, so it is with Pauls warning to all Gentiles, remember what God has done and do not forget the mercy shown to all. You have obviously not read and understood the truth of this beautiful scripture…such a pity for it leaves no room for the usurpation of Israel in any form other than gaining our succour of the Son of God, our Father, the Holy Spirit and the wonderful Word of God passed down to us all from Jewery! You are lost in blasphemy and in great danger for wanton blindness of damnation! But here you are well warned…take care that you may wash your eyes and ears and robes and be saved even yet!
Romans 11…..13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
Revelation 2:9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Rev. 2: 9 ‘.. I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9 ‘Behold, I will make those who belong to the synagogue of Satan-those who claim to be Jews and aren’t, but are lying-come and bow down at your feet. Then they will realize that I have loved you.
Isaiah 60:14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you; all who despise you will bow down at your feet and will call you the City of the LORD, Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
Zechariah 8:20-23
20 “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘It will yet be that peoples will come, even the inhabitants of many cities. 21 The inhabitants of one will go to another, saying, “Let us go at once to entreat the favor of the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts; [a]I will also go.” 22 So many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the Lord.’ 23 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the [b]nations will [c]grasp the [d]garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”’”
ACTIVIST WARNS OF BRUTAL REPRESSION OF CHRISTIANS
http://balfourpost.com/activist-warns-of-brutal-repression-of-christians/
The world system hates Jews and Christians. We pray to G-d the Father. Not Old Knob, or any pagan version of same.
Jesus was murdered by the world system. Only when Christ is sent back to rule will there be peace. He holds the deed Old Knob took from Adam with a lie.
With the way religion is, (list of pastors) I never knew that martyrdom is a real thing. It only seems like a term from a glossary. Talk to someone that believes in having a cause, martyrdom may not even make sense.