Messiah, and the State of Israel


Does the bible indicate that the Messiah has to come to the land of Israel FIRST, and establish peace, before Jews can return, and the nation of Israel can legitimately exist again?

I am writing this because a dear friend of mine will not speak to me now because I disagree with him.

He thinks the current state of Israel is just a “Zionist conspiracy” that has no right to exist, and the only legitimate Israel that can exist, according to the Bible, is a land AFTER the Messiah has come.

I hope he reads this. Maybe this will help.

My position is that Israel returned from its captivity to the land, in 1948, as predicted in the bible.

The Messiah shows up to deliver Israel from its enemies.

So, the state of unredeemed Israel is there, and deliverance comes to it as Messiah saves it from its enemies.

I will outline, book by book, what each of the prophets say about the final return of the Jews to Israel.

And here, I mean the descendants of Jacob, not just the one tribe of Judah. God’s promise of restoration applied to all 12 tribes, the entire nation.

Acknowledged also that through the ages, there has been intermarriages, or conversions, but the Hebrew/ Israelite nation still exists.

The promises of God still apply, whether someone is ½ Jewish, a Jewish convert, or just “born that way.”


Old Testament


Aliyah – 2 kinds – fished and hunted- this implies that the return will first come by invitation, as in the establishment of the Zionist state of Israel.

Then the rest will come as they flee their persecutors.

Neither of these descriptions imply the Messiah has come, as with Messiah there would be

1. no need to “fish”

2. no persecution from hunters

Prior to 1948, there was already a Jewish presence in Israel. After 1948, Jews came both by invitation, and in flight from persecution after the holocaust.

Jer 16:15   But, The LORD lives, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Jer 16:16 ¶ Behold, I will send for many fishers, says the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks



God raises up Israel from the grave, and forms an army, and re-births the nation. IF Messiah has already come, Israel will not need an army. 

Eze 37:10   So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Eze 37:11 ¶ Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

Eze 37:12   Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus says the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Eze 37:21   And say unto them, Thus says the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever.

** David the prince here is a reference to the Messiah, which is a descendent of David. However, it speaks of this person as a promise to be fulfilled. He is not there yet.

If he were, the nation would not be described as a pile of bones.

The resurrection of dry bones occurs first (verses 10-12). They then dwell in the land, and the Messiah is finally mentioned last (verse 25).

Gog Invasion (chapters 38-39) occurs next – Messiah not mentioned yet.

Some believe that this is the same invasion that occurs after the millennium described in Revelation. But as far as the OT goes, the Messiah is not mentioned. Others believe that this is the battle of Armageddon, and that there is a second invasion later.

Eze 38:2   Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

Eze 38:3   And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

Eze 38:4   And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts [of armour, even] a great company [with] bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

Eze 38:5   Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

Eze 38:8   After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

*** Point here; there is a promise of safety, but it will not be 100% realized until the Messiah comes.

See the rest of the chapter here:

God stops the Gog invasion with an earthquake

Eze 38:18 ¶ And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, says the Lord GOD, [that] my fury shall come up in my face.

Eze 38:19   For in my jealousy [and] in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

Eze 38:20   So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that [are] upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

The rest is here:

7 years to burn weapons. Is it possible that Chapter 38 described the first invasion, and Chapter 39 described the second one, if there are 2 invasions?

Eze 39:9 ¶ And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

The New Temple – vision (Ezekiel 40+) It would make sense that the final Temple would appear AFTER the earthquake described in Ezekiel 38, and not before.

See more here:

Eastern gate still shut- for the prince to come

Eze 44:1 ¶ Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looks toward the east; and it [was] shut.

Eze 44:2   Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

Eze 44:3 [It is] for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of [that] gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

*** the eastern gate is currently shut.

Prince shows up by chapter 46? Gate is open

Eze 46:1 ¶ Thus says the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looks toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Eze 46:2   And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of [that] gate without, and shall stand by the post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate: then he shall go forth; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening.

Waters pour out from the temple area

Eze 47:1 ¶ Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house [stood toward] the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south [side] of the altar.



Zechariah 14 – the nations come against Israel- so Israel is there, if it is being attacked.

No Messiah is mentioned before the attack, but he seems to show up DURING the attack and an earthquake. Living waters flow out of the temple area at some time afterwards.

See more here:

Zec 14:2   For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zec 14:3 ¶ Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:4   And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zec 14:8 ¶ And it shall be in that day, [that] living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

** Living waters match those from Ezekiel

Punishment of enemies sounds like a nuclear blast- Judah has to fight – no peace yet. So, obviously, it Judah is there fighting in Jerusalem, Judah is there in Israel.

Zec 14:12 ¶ And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Zec 14:10   All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and [from] the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.

Zec 14:14   And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

Zec 14:21   Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.



Captives return from the nations. There are no Jews literally in captivity now. They were in captivity during the holocaust. Again, an invasion against Israel is mentioned, followed by an earthquake, and the sun and moon turning dark. The spirit of God is poured out over Israel. Since the Lord is delivering Israel, it means it is there, in existence.

Joe 2:1 ¶ Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for [it is] nigh at hand;

Joe 2:2   A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.

Joe 2:10   The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Joe 2:20 But I will remove far off from you the northern [army], and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.

Joe 2:28 ¶ And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Joe 2:29   And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Joe 2:30   And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

Joe 2:31  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

** described in Rev 6 after the 6th seal

Rev 6:12 ¶ And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Joe 2:32   And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

See more here:

Other clues:

1. the captivity of Judah as it resides in its own land,

2. the gathering in of Israel from all the nations, where it has been scattered, and

3. the parting of the land.

Since 1948, the nations have worked to divide up the land between the Palestinians and the Jews. Even now, they continue to discuss more concessions, including Jerusalem. Jerusalem has to be divided before the trouble starts. Zechariah 14 describes half the city going into captivity during the invasion of the nations. The city has been divided by then.

Joe 3:1 ¶ For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

Joe 3:2   I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and [for] my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Joe 3:4 ¶ Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly [and] speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

*** apparently, God is not happy with the Lebanese and Palestinians. He wants a recompense from them – be paid back for the land they took during the dividing of the land.

Joe 3:14   Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD [is] near in the valley of decision.

Joe 3:15   The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Joe 3:16   The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD [will be] the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

** shaking of land as in an earthquake, Zechariah, Ezekiel



Jacob (Israel) Called to return after scattered- since the term Jacob is used, it indicates the entire nation, not just the northern or southern kingdom. The term Jacob refers to its unredeemed state, while Israel refers to its final “struggle with God” to get its blessing. Israel is brought back but given a “new sharp threshing instrument having teeth” to prepare it to fight for its identity.

Isa 41:8 ¶ But thou, Israel, [art] my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

Isa 41:9   [Thou] whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou [art] my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.

Isa 41:10   Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Isa 41:15   Behold, I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth: thou shall l thresh the mountains, and beat [them] small, and shall make the hills as chaff.

The invasion from the north is referenced here:

Isa 41:25 ¶ I have raised up [one] from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as [upon] morter, and as the potter treads clay.

Israel returns but is still blind

Isa 42:16   And I will bring the blind by a way [that] they knew not; I will lead them in paths [that] they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

The first return – they are ‘gathered” not hunted

Isa 43:5   Fear not: for I [am] with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

Isa 43:6   I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

Isaiah speaks of the rebirth of Israel, where it gets the support of Gentiles. However, it also notes that there is a time of imperfect peace, where violence and destruction occurs. So, it is before Messiah arrives, not after, that they return.

Isa 60:18   Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shall call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.

Israel is described below as forsaken and desolate, which is appropriate for a nation abandoned by its allies and the world.

God then describes his future “marriage” to Israel, where he can finally rejoice over its final glory as his bride.

Soon, during Jacob’s trouble, Israel will stand alone against the world.

So, again, Israel’s glory will not come until after it has been forsaken and made desolate in its own land, which is something that precedes the Messiahs appearance, not follows it.

Isa 62:2   And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shall be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

Isa 62:3 Thou shall also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.

Isa 62:4 Thou shall no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shall be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delights in thee, and thy land shall be married.

Isa 62:5   For [as] a young man marries a virgin, [so] shall thy sons marry thee: and [as] the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, [so] shall thy God rejoice over thee.



The abomination of desolation cannot take place unless there is a sanctuary established in Israel. Since the Palestinians are not going to put up a Temple, this implies that the Jews have to be there for this to happen.

The abomination occurs during Jacob’s trouble, and precedes the Messiah’s intervention in their time of crisis.

The time of trouble occurs in present day unsaved Israel, which indicates it HAS to exist first, before trouble can come to it, and the Messiah can save it.

The abomination happens in the state of Israel, not America or Europe.

The antichrist described as taking over the land, as he violates the covenant. It is understood that the Antichrist precedes the Messiah:

Dan 11:28   Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart [shall be] against the holy covenant; and he shall do [exploits], and return to his own land.

Dan 11:29 ¶ At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

Dan 11:30   For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

The abomination

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that makes desolate.

Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.


New Testament


Jesus explains that the Jews will be in the land during the tribulation, and that he will show up after wards, NOT before.

He did NOT say it is all Palestinian Muslim land, and that the tribulation happened somewhere else.

Mat 24:3 ¶ And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Mat 24:15 ¶ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Mat 24:16   Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mat 24:21   For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Mat 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Jesus tells the Jews in Jerusalem who rejected him, that they will not see him again until they bless his name.

This indicates Jesus is returning to Jerusalem, and that they are there before him, to see him return.

Luk 13:34 ¶ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which kills the prophets, and stones them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen [doth gather] her brood under [her] wings, and ye would not!

Luk 13:35   Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.



I hope I have provided enough scripture to show that Bible prophecy indicates that Israel must be in the land before the Messiah comes.

Those that oppose the state of Israel have no solid grounds.

1. There is a group of very confused, self hating Jews called NETUREI KARTA that insist the State of Israel is not legitimate.

They base their views, NOT on biblical prophecy, but on a legend about making a vow to God to remain in exile until the Messiah comes. It will be an obviously Arab state, since they are not there, and the Messiah has to clean out the place first, establish peace, and then it is safe to return home.

They have not read their own Bibles. They think the Messiah, not God, will re-gather the Jews to Israel.

The bible clearly says that this is the work of God’s spirit, not the Messiah, who comes to save Israel from destruction in a battle.

2. Israel’s enemies also hate Israel, for no valid reasons, and want it destroyed.

See also:

Zionism: Man’s idea or God’s plan?    Click here for more.

Anti-Zionism – Jewish self–betrayal      Click here for more.

Anti-Zionism – ancient Arab roots       Click here for more.

Anti-Zionism – Roman and Christian (Western) roots     Click here for more.

32 Responses to “Messiah, and the State of Israel”

  1. The Diverseness of Israel………………………..
    Israel is calling me home. (I Wish!!)

  2. A lot of people moving for a lot of different reasons. Making it possible and easy.

  3. Is not the following verse fulfillment of Jeremiah 16-16???,, Matt 4-19..And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. , The apostles and ministers of Jesus have been fishing now for over 2000 years…I am sure they have caught many a descendant of Abraham, Issac and Jacob over the years…Their blood runs deep in CHristianity….
    I also think Ezekiel 38 is about America.. It is the country that dwells safely without bars or wall… Israel has never been safe…

    America was also laid waste whereas Israel was not but always inhabited..
    I think Ezekiel 38 and Psalms 83 are about the attack on America.. by Gog ISLAM… Rev 20-8. shows that Gog/magog are the men satan gathers to battle Jesus and these are those numbered as the SAND OF THE SEA-Ishamel’s descendants…Rev 20-8…And shall go out to DECEIVE the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. THE SAND OF THE SEA FOUNDATION is revealed in Rev. 13-1.. The Islamic beast…
    Note the word DECEIVE in Rev 20….
    Deception that the allah beast is the god of Abraham and the the koran gospel of antichrist is god’s words…

    And I do believe the israelites in Israel are a part of it too…
    Psalms 83-3.. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. Thy people are possibly Israelites and the hidden one possible Christians… This chapter also shows who are behing these attacks…WE WIN THAT IS THE GOOD NEWS…. and Islam will cease to be…..Did you know Islam is the same deception as satan gave Eve.. 2 Corinthians 11-3,4,14 and Rev 12-9… The dragon beast and his seven heads (angels) are the old serpent in the garden..

    • hi ruth

      Your interpretation of Ezekiel 38 and Gog is definitely valid. The logic is there.

      I was using the traditional interpretation.

      Maybe I should have a post on the invasion of America and Islam as Gog.

  4. I’ve seen America compared to the Tribe of Judah a few times.

    Only 20% of American Jewry visits Israel. They vacation eveywhere else except there. It’s their escape of last resort if ever needed . It’s sort of sad. Christians go to Israel to see the Holy places, but they really don’t care about or know the Jewish people. I’v heard and read that. It’s not my opinion. See the video on “Living Stones” about connection with the people We really don’t know who the last believer is before the rapture. It might be an Israeli holding up the show.

    • hi kitti

      It does seem reasonable. Christian are considered spiritual Israel, so technically we are open to whatever happens to natural Israel as well.

      I love Israel. I pray more people come to appreciate it, and its people, who are really just like us, and want to be accepted.

  5. Marrianne,

    I know that I have Jewish ancestors, I am most likely about 1/32nd Jewish. I am a bible believing christian and appreciate all that God promises the nation of Israel but I guess I don’t really consider myself a part of the nation of Israel….I have often wondered where my place in this world is, but as far as moving my family across the ocean and planting roots in Israel I figure that if God deems me as part of the nation of Israel He would make it very obvious. What is your opinion on this? AHould I consider myself part of the Jewish nation? Does God? As a Christian I know I will see my saviour in heaven someday so does it really matter if I’m in Israel during the end times or not?
    I would love to explore the Jewish traditions and cultures but I live in rural America and the nearest synagogue/rabbi is about 250 miles away. Do you know of a good website? Thank you,

    • dear cropchick

      I do not think WHERE you live has any impact on God’s view of you during the end times.

      Only the unsaved Jews need to be in Israel during the last days, so they can meet their Messiah, and finally accept him.

      Either spiritually, or physically, you are grafted into the Jewish root, so are part of Israel.

    • this i one of the best sites ever!!!

  6. This video relates to what Ruth was saying above. It didn’t happen during the Bush administration, but could it happen now? A fulfillment of Ezechiel 38?

  7. May God bless Isreal

  8. Well many prophecies have been fulfilled and Jeremiah was correct that a woman would surround a man. Christ was also correct that the Queen of the Prophets would come and her wisdom is greater than Solomon.

    You are correct the Jewish people had to be in Israel to receive me. The first gathering on his Holy Hill was in May 2006. The second mission to Israel was in September 2007. She also blessed the Sea of Galilee as instructed to do. She was hidden in the hand of God exactly as the prophets predicted she would be. She fulfilled the prophecy of spiritual alchemy mentioned by prophet Malachi with the Levites. She is also mentioned in Rev 12 before Obama came in Rev 13.

    As the bible says ‘This calls for WISDOM’ = SOPHIA


  9. PS The abomination that Daniel spoke of was the mosque built on the temple mount. In Judaism one day can be a year. I have provided a full paper on the timeline.

    Also the prophecy about Michael, the Prince of Greece and Prince of Persia as also been fulfilled. Michael was the only one that stood by my side defending Israel internationally against Islam. After the mission to Greece in March 2010 the Prince of Greece did come. On the 26th of June Michael M Mauldin died and I am now seeking justice in the USA for the constructive manslaughter committed against him.
    If would like to do something REAL and POSITIVE then get this news to people in the USA because there will be no justice in the USA, if there is no justice for Michael.

    The 26th of June was also the JUNO gateway opening and an eclipse. As we know 26 is also the gematria value of the name of God.


  11. Check this out at 13:00

    Rabbi summons all Jews to come to Israel immediately…due to the natural disasters….and declares that the Messiah is already in israel!!

  12. With the Jews, God gave the Torah only with the Consonants written , it was up to Messiah to fulfill it with the correct Vowels to complete the volume. The Jewish Priesthood was given the Urim and Thummin , as lots to cast before the Lord to divine the Word, yes or no, innocent or guilty. So the real truth of our times, it could be now, it might not be now. Biblical Truth is outcome based, not in retrospection of past things. If the Jews come to Jesus and everything works out and the end is according to the Design of the Torah and Tenach , it all cam be justified, Jesus Christ is Messiah, God in Revelation. And if the Jews linger on and time passes and things do not consolidate then they have thrown their lot to the Lord and come up empty. So all we do is pray that this time , it comes up FULL. Until then, we all believe or not believe, the Jury is still hearing the Court of Elohim in the Case for Humanity, the Jury is instructed not to make a prejudicial conclusions about the facts, until the Case is fully heard. While the Jurors cannot make any certain conclusion , we in the audience, by Faith , Liberated from the Duty of being a Juror in the case, we all believe Jesus is Messiah. But the Decorum of a Court Room is Sacred, and that is why the Judge wears the Black Robe !

  13. Marianne
    you mentioned on another page I think, that jewish people are just looking for their messiah, Yet many Christians think the anti christ will be the muslim mahdi (false messiah). Do you think that there is any chance that the mahdi will be jewish? A wolf in sheeps clothing so to speak? Perhaps a secular Jew?

    • hi dru

      The concept of what the antichrist is like is based on Daniels prophecy about the covenant with many, which people ASSUME will be a peace treaty.

      Somehow, people also assume that this peace treaty” will be a welcomed event, so the leaders have the people’s support.

      The muslims would only trust a muslim
      the jews would only trust a jew…

      so in that line of thought, the jews would only trust a jewish antichrist, and the same true for muslims.


      We do not know what the covenant is really about, and so far, everything Israel has done, or agreed to, was determined by someone else, and FORCED on ISRAEL.

      if this continues to hold true, the covnenat with many may
      1. be a secret agreement between enemies of Israel agaisnt ISrael
      2. not be agreed to by Israel
      3. may be unknown by ISrael
      4. or not involve Israel

      If it is a peace treaty, it still could be forced on Israel, in that case, whoever is leading Israel is irrelevant, since that person will have no say so in the matter. So a Jewish antichrist would not play a part in which the Jews are being oppressed by enemies and unfair governments like America and other UN nations.

      If it was a Muslim antichrist, he would not be accepted by Jews, but be their opponent, and one who would exploit them.

      If it was someone like the US president, who is actually a Muslim, since he bashes Christianity and supports Islam, it would still be forced on Israel, who would have to either agree or face the threat of abandonment by the US.

      Since the 1990s, it is has been a land for peace situation, with ISrael losing land, and getting no peace.

      There is nothing in scripture that says Israel willingly chooses the antichrist leader to represent it in a voluntary peace agreement, where they willingly give up land.

      It does say that the “fierce leader” enters the land by deceit, which indicates he does not live there. He seems to be an outsider, and unsympathetic to Israel.

      For these reasons, I would not expect the antichrist to be Jewish, but I could be wrong.

      wait and see….

      • Thanks Marianne
        Like the mark of the beast, I haven’t made up my mind on these things, or rather, they have not been revealed as of yet.

  14. Video with Billy Crone concerning the Jewish People.

    Jews have returned to Israel and even in the same EXACT order mentioned in the scriptures East, West, North and then the South

  15. Thank you for your stance against the Zionist made Israel theory… they do not uderstand that YHVH will use all and every means to fulfill His Prophetic Word to restore His Land and people…. it is all unfolding…. watch this next Feast of Tabernacles date (with another possible earthquake caused by comet Elenin passing by again. Past encounters caused the recent Chili, Japan and New Zealand earthquakes and tsunamis evidently)
    The Holy Spirit has shown me not to look at Satan’s works which are all dark and ugly and bring reproach on the Holy Name of Israel… (the prophecy is on my Categories list) I am committed to sharing similar things on my sites…. I will come back and read more ASAP!

    Blessings from Susan… a psalmist for the Lord. (Australia)

    • dear brideofmessiah

      I agree that things in the world will be getting more intense.

      I am holding my breath about next fall, anticipating “something.”

      I pray for all believers to be safe in the upcoming months, days, hours, and minutes before Yeshua’s return.

      I am enjoying your website.

      • Thank you sister in Yeshua! I commend you for the effort you put into this site and the spirit of wisdom and councel with which you answer people and various questions and or accusations.
        That’s a gift… of His grace, fruit of the Spirit… patirence, love, peace, joy?
        Blessings form Susan.

    • Your friend isn’t very educated. Either he’s goy and is jealous he came from tribes other than from Seth, and post flood, jelous he’s not from the tribes of Jacob/israel’s sons. If your friend is abrahamic from issac and he holds this stance then he’s a self hating Jew. Either way his opinion is disgusting and anti-Semitic. I’d like to debate your friend publically; id like to stand, intellectually, against anyone who denies israels right to exist and anyone who challenges the abrahamic covenant and anyone who wishes to obstruct a Jewish place of worship atop the Temple Mount. Or maybe your “dear friend” is Just one of the easily swayed; distracted by life, Americans who doesn’t read about history; nor study but instead watches quick Muslim funded documentaries on YouTube; usually set up by the “young-Turks” media conglomerate that refuses to give us back HBO. Which is why I’ve chosen Warner Brothers. .. booo yawww

  16. Here is How Eliyah will restore all things (Matth 17:11), Before the coming of Yeshua Messiah (Jesus-Christ) (Mal 4:5-6; Act 3:19-21) !

    (NB: All in this document is translated from French, so excuse for the approximate English)

    “Prove all things and hold fast to that which is good” (1Thes 5:21)

    God says in the Bible: “Do not keep the prophetic words of this book (the Bible) a secret, because the time is near.” (Rev 22:10).
    With the help of the Holy Spirit (Jn 14:26; 16:13-14), God shows us today, the work Elijah has to do, just before the coming of the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord!

    (A) What are the Things to be restored, according to the Bible?

    1) The Kingdom of God on the earth
    Since the fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, God’s Kingdom governs no more the mankind.
    *Gen 3: 22-23: “Then the Lord God said,’ now the man has become like one of us and has knowledge of what is good and what is bad. He must not be allowed to take fruit from the tree that gives life, eat it, and live for ever. So the lord God sent him out of the garden and made him cultivate the soil from which he had been formed.”
    NB: So, God’s Kingdom has been removed from the earth after the sin of Adam; but very soon, God will restore it through His Nation which will be born in a day, like a mustard seed, after the coming of the son of man who is Elijah (Ez 2:3-5; Luke 17:22; Mal 4:5).
    *Matth 13 :31,38 : « The Kingdom of the heaven is like a mustard seed that a man takes and sows in his field…The field is the world; the good seed is the people who belong to the kingdom.”,
    *Isa 66:8: “Has anyone ever seen or heard of such a thing? Has a Nation ever been born in a day? Zion will not have to suffer long, before the Nation is born.”
    *Dan 2:44: “At the time of those rulers the God of heaven will establish a kingdom that will never end.”
    *Luke 12:32: “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father is pleased to give you the Kingdom.”
    *Matth 10:7,23: “Go and preach, ‘The Kingdom of heaven is near…you will not finish your work in all the towns of Israel before the Son of man comes.”
    NB: It’s clear here that, the Kingdom of God will come, when the Son of man, who is Elijah, will come!
    The coming of God’s Kingdom is closely linked at the coming of Elijah, who must restore all things Before the day of the Lord.

    2) One Language

    *Gen 11:1: “At first, the people of the whole world had only one language and used the same words.”, but God mixed up their language at the Tower of Babel , so that they couldn’t understand one another (V7).
    Since there, the whole world has many and many languages; but as it occurred the day of Pentecost, at the foundation of the Church of God (Act 2:1, 4), a miracle of language will happen the day the Nation of God will be born: All those of the little flock who will belong to the Nation of God, will talk only one language, the language of Millennium!:
    *1 Pet 2:9-10: “But you are the chosen race, the King’s priest, the Holy Nation, God’s own people…at one time you were not God’s people, but now you are his people.”
    *Hos 2 17: “I will remove from her mouth the names of Baal.”
    *Zep 3:9: “Then I will give to the people – it will be a change – a pure language, so that they all pray to me, and serve me by mutual consent.” (N.W.T.)
    : “On that day I will purify the lips of all the people, so ,that everyone will be able to worship the Lord together.” (N.L.T).

    3) Israel ’s kingdom or the House of David
    After the death of Solomon, son of David, Israel’s kingdom fell into two kingdoms, as God announced to the prophet Ahijah (1 Kings 11:29_36 ;12:12-19).
    However God has promised David that, at the end of the times, one of his sons (descendants) will restore his kingdom like it was long ago:
    *2 Sam 7:12-13: “When you die and are buried with your ancestors, I will make one of your sons king and will keep his kingdom strong. He will be the one to build a temple for me, and I will strengthen the throne of his kingdom for ever.”
    *2 Sam 7:18-19, 25: “Then the king David went into… Lord’s presence…and prayed: ‘…yet now you are doing even more, Sovereign Lord: you have made” promises about my descendants in the years to come…And now, Lord god, fulfil for all time the promise you made about me and my descendants, and do what you said you would.”
    *Am 9:11: “The Lord says: ‘A day is coming when I will restorer the kingdom of David , which is like a home fallen into ruins…? I will rebuild it and make it as it was long ago.”
    *Ps 89:33-35: “I will not stop loving David or fail to keep my promise to him. I will not break my covenant with him or take back even one promise I made him. Once and for all I have promised by my, holy name: I will never lie to David.”
    NB: So, the descendant of David, who will restore his kingdom at the end of the times, would only be Elijah, the son of man who will restore the kingdom of God ; because, in fact, God’s Kingdom is and will be always in the hands of David’s descendants:
    *2 Chr 13:8: “Do you really think you can stand against the Lord’s kingdom that is given to David’s descendants?”
    *1 Kings 28:5: “…He (the Lord) chose Solomon to rule over Israel , the Lord’s kingdom.”
    So, the coming of God’s kingdom is the restoring of Israel ’s kingdom, which will be ruled, for a short time by Elijah, the son of the man, a descendant of David, until the coming of Christ.
    *Zec 6:12-13: “Tell him that the Lord Almighty says, ‘Here is the man (son of man) called the Branch. He will branch out where he is and build the Temple of Lord . He will build the Lord’s Temple and receive royal honour, and will rule as a king from his throne. He will also serve as a priest from his throne, and there will be perfect harmony between the two.”
    NB: Elijah, the son of man, the descendant of David, will be both king and priest; he will hold two offices that must not get interruption:
    *Jer 33:17-18: “I, the Lord, promise that there will always be a descendant of David to be a king of Israel and that there will always be priests from the tribe of Levi to serve me…?”
    NB: The throne of David is at the present time occupied by Queen Elisabeth II of England (Ephraim), and the Stone of crowning is in Scotland .
    The Bible predicts a fourth and last reversal of this throne at the end of the times:
    *Isa 28:1-3: “Ephraim (the kingdom of Israel ) is doomed! Its glory is fading like the crowns of flowers on the heads of its drunken leaders…The Lord has someone strong and powerful…who will come like a hailstorm… The pride of those drunken leaders (of Ephraim) will be trampled underfoot.”
    *Jer 13:18: “Say to the king and his mother, ‘Come down from your thrones and sit in the dust, for your crowns will soon be snatched from your heads.”
    *Ez 21:26-27: “I, the Sovereign Lord, have spoken. Take off your crown and your turban. Nothing will be the same again. Raise the poor to power! Bring down those who are ruling! Ruin, ruin! But this will not happen until the one whom I have chosen…Then I will giver it to him.”.
    NB: So, the throne of England (Ephraim), which is David’s throne, will be given for a moment to a man, Elijah (Zec 6:12-13) before Christ comes and takes it definitively (Luke 1:32-33).
    This throne of David will be snatched from England , and given to the descendant of David, Elijah, who will sit on it at the Safety Place , in the upper mountains of Galilea, especially in Mount Hermon :
    *Ez 34:11-14: “I, the Sovereign Lord, tell you that I myself will look for my sheep and take ca re of them…I will bring them back from all the places where they were scattered… I will…gather them together… I will let them graze in safety in the mountains…and in all the green pastures of the land of Israel .”
    *Ex 15:13-17: “Faithful to your promise, you led the people you had rescued…you bring them in and plant them on your mountain, the place that you, Lord, have chosen for your home…”
    *Joel 2:31-32: “…Before the great and terrible day of the Lord arrives…there will be people on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem who escape.”
    *Isa 4:5-6: “Then over Mount Zion and over all who are gathered there, the Lord will send a cloud in the daytime and smoke and bright flame at night…covering the glorious land…It will be a shelter from daytime heat and a place of safety from storms and rain.”
    *Ps 133: “How wonderful it is, how pleasant, for God’s people to live together in harmony! It is like the dew on Mount Hermon, falling on the hills of Zion . That where the Lord has promised his blessing – life that never ends.”
    *Isa 65:9: “I will arise from Jacob descendants and from Judah an heir of my mountains; and my chosen people will possess my land of mountains.”
    NB: The Bible is very clear today! God’s Nation which will be born in a day will go to the Safety Place on Mount Hermon in Galilea, before the Great Tribulation, and will be led and ruled by Elijah, a physical descendant of David, until Jesus comes and establishes the millennium Reign on earth!
    Salvation (God’s Kingdom) will be on Mount Zion , that is Mount Hermon (De 4:48), because God’s Nation will stay there; and in Jerusalem , because the Two Witnesses (Representatives of God’s Nation) will be there, during the Great Tribulation (Rev 11:3-8).

    4) The Temple of God or Church of God
    The introduction in the Church of God of pagan doctrines, especially the Trinity by false ministers, has been the main cause of dispersal in the Church of God , after the death of M. Armstrong, the messenger of Philadelphia Era (Rev 3:7).
    The Good News about the coming of God’s Kingdom on earth, has been preached by him – as testimony- (Matth 24:14).
    After his death, here is what was to happen shortly afterwards, before the coming of God’s Kingdom:
    *Matth 24:15: “You will see the abomination of desolation…standing in the Holy Place – reader, understand what this means.”
    *Ez 34:5-6: “Because the sheep had no shepherd (M. Armstrong), they were scattered…They were scattered over the face of the earth.”
    *1 Tim 4:1: “The Spirit says clearly that some people will abandon the faith in later times; they will obey lying spirits and follow the teachings of demons.”
    *2 Tim 4:3-4: “The time will come when people will not listen the sound doctrine, but will follow their own desires and will collect for themselves more and more teachers (ministers) who will tell them what they are itching to hear. They will turn away from listening to the truth and give their attention to legends (pagan myths).”
    *2 Pet 2:1-2: “False prophets appeared in the past among the people (physical Israel ), and in the same way false teachers (ministers) will appear among you ( Church of God ). They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines…Many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the way of truth.”
    *2 Thes 2:2-3: “Not to be easily confused in your thinking or upset by the claim that the day of the Lord has come…for the day will not come until the apostasy takes place.”
    NB: The rejection of what one has first believed (apostasy), was to happen in the Church of God after the death of M. Armstrong, and before the day of the Lord (2 Thes 2:2-3).
    Meanwhile, God says in the Bible that, He will sent Elijah to restore all things before the day of the Lord (Mal 4:5; Matth 17:11.
    All this shows clearly that the Temple of God (the Church), which is today lying in ruins, abandoned, after the death of M. Armstrong (Hag 1:4,9; 2:3 ;Matth 23:38-39 ;Luke 13:35), will be restored on its foundation (2 Tim 2:19 ;Hag 2:23), by Elijah, who is the son of man and the descendant of David (Zec 6:12-13 ;2 Sam 7:12-13).
    It is in that spiritual Temple rebuilt by Elijah (Luke 1:16-17), that Christ will enter in his coming and our meeting with him (Mal 3:1; 2 Thes 2:1)
    Christ cannot come today in an abandoned Temple , whose members are scattered (Hag 1:4, 9; Ez 34:5). He must remain in heaven until Elijah comes and prepares a people very ready to him (Mal 4:6; Luke 1:16-17; Act 3:20-21), that is to say, a glory church – pure and faultiness, without a spot or wrinkle or any other imperfection (Eph 5:27).

    5) Revelation of All that is hidden in the Bible

    *Rev 22:10: “Do not keep the prophetic words of this book (Bible) a secret, because the time is near.”
    *Luke 8:17: “For whatever is hidden away will be brought out into the open and whatever is covered up will be found and brought to light.”
    NB: So, everything that is sealed or secret in the Word of God must be brought to light for the last time, before the day of the Lord.
    *Isa 44:28: “When I say of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd! He will certainly do what I say. He will command that Jerusalem be rebuilt and that the Temple (the Church) be restored.”
    *Isa 45:1-3, 6: “That is what the Lord says to Cyrus, his anointed one, whose right hand he will empower…I will smash down gates…And I will give you treasures hidden in the darkness – secret riches…so all the world from east to west will know there is no other God. I am the Lord, and there’s no other.”
    NB: Cyrus means = The Last time, or the Last time of God, or the Latest of God.
    So, Cyrus, who is an anointed of God, and sent in the end of the times to rebuild and restore the Temple of God (the Church), is no one else than Elijah who must come to restore all things before the day of the Lord; and so, all that is hidden or secret in the Bible will be brought to light by Elijah, who is the spiritual Cyrus, because God will open all the doors to him, and they will never be shut again (Isa 45:2 ;Rev 3:7).
    God’s secrets which are hidden in the prophetic Scriptures, will be totally revealed as God has commanded (Rev 22:10), and will be brought to all nations by Elijah, before the day of the Lord (Joel 2:1 ;Rom 16:25-26 ;Mal 4:5-6).

    (B) The Prophetic Figures (Roles) of Elijah

    The Bible says that God will send a man in this end of the times to restore all things, and fulfil all his Will (Isa 44:28); that man is Elijah, the prophet, who will hold several prophetic positions to accomplish his mission. God always works through (a mouth of) a man or son of man (Act 15:7 ;2 Sam 23:2 ;Isa 50:10 ;Mal 2:7 ;2 Pet 1:21):

    1) The Son of man (Luke 17:22)

    *Ez 7:2-3, 6-7: “Son of man, this is what the Sovereign Lord says to Israel : The end is here! Wherever you look – east, west, north, or south – your land is finished…I will unleash my anger against you…The end has come…The time has come, the day of trouble is near…”
    *Ez 2:3, 5: “Son of man he said, ‘I am sending you to the nation of Israel …And whether they listen or not…at least they will know they have had a prophet among them.”
    *Mal 4:5: “Look, I am sending you (people of Israel ) the prophet Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the Lord.” (See Mal 1:1).
    NB: The son of the man, a prophet who is sent by God to the spiritual Israelites at the endtime, before the day of the Lord, and Elijah, the prophet who is also sent by God to those Israelites, are the only and the same person.
    It is why Jesus said that, Elijah who will come to restore all things, should first suffer much as the son of man, and be rejected, and die in this generation of the end (Mark 9:12; Luke 17:25; Job 14:13); then, God will raise him from the dead to the physical life, to fulfil his mission (Ps 30:2-3; 40:1-3; Matth 24:27):
    *Luke 17:24: “For when the Son of man returns (in physical life), you will know it beyond all doubt. It will be as evident as the lightning that flashes across the sky.”

    2) Cyrus (Isa 44:28)
    Cyrus, as it has been said, means the Latest of God or the Last time of God. Because, for the last time, God will restore all things and warn the whole world before his terrible day comes.
    We have seen that all things in the Bible will be brought to light by Cyrus (Isa 45:1, 3), who will also rebuilt God’s Temple (Isa 44:28). So, Cyrus is no one else than Elijah who will rebuild the spiritual Temple , in which Christ will enter at his coming –Mal 3:1; 4:5; Luke 1:17).

    3) Joshuah (Zec 3)

    *Zec 3:8: “Listen to me, O Josuah the high priest…Soon I am going to bring my servant, the Branch.”
    *Zec 6:12: “…Here is a man (son of man) called the Branch. He will branch out where he is and build the temple of the Lord.”
    NB: God will rise up and bring in the forefront, a man or son of man who will be a high priest, and will build God’s Temple . That son of man is called Josuah!
    So, the son of man, Elijah will hold the position of spiritual Josuah, the high priest who will build God’s Temple; and, as his physical namesake, who led the physical Israel across the Jordan River into Canaan (the land of promised), the spiritual Josuah who is Elijah will lead the spiritual people of God into the Safety Place in Galilea!

    4) The Descendant of David (2 Sam 7:12-13)

    We have proved above that the descendant of David, who will rebuild his kingdom (Am 9:11), is Elijah, the son of man who will restore all things and bring the kingdom of God (Matth 17:11; 10:7, 23).
    Since the kingdom of God is led by the sons of David (1 Chr 28:5 ;2 Chr 13:8), the descendant of David who will restore his kingdom, and Elijah the son of man ,who will bring the Kingdom of God, are the same and only one person!

    5) The second Blacksmith and the second Angel or Messenger (Zec 1:20-21; Rev 14:8; 18:1-2)

    The Bible clearly speaks of four (4) Blacksmiths or God’s servants, who will come at the end of the times, in order to throw down Babylon (Zec 1:20-21):
    – The First Blacksmith: is the first Angel or messenger of Revelation 14:6-7; his work corresponds to what Christ foretold to his disciples: “This Good News about the Kingdom will be preached through all the world for a witness to all mankind; and then the end will come.” (Matth 24:14).
    This first messenger of God at this endtime was M. Armstrong, the spiritual Moses (Mal 4:4), and the spiritual Zerubbabel (Zec 4:9-10), who has preached at the Philadelphia Era, as testimony, the Good News of the coming of God’s Kingdom on earth. The mission God gave him came to its end on 16th January 1986, the day he died (Rev 3:7; Isa 48:3, 6-7).
    – The Second Blacksmith: is the second Angel or Messenger of Revelation 14:8; 18:1-2).
    Since the end was to come after the mission of testimony of the first messenger, M. Armstrong (Matth 24:14), it means that the next verse (Matth 24:15), marks the beginning of that end:

    *Matth 24:15: “The time will come when you will see…the sacrilegious object that causes desecration standing in the Holy Place –reader understand what this means.”
    NB: So, after the Good News of the coming of God’s Kingdom had been preached all over the world, as testimony by M.Armstrong, pagan doctrines, whose main is the Trinity, were introduced by M. Tkach in the Church of God, which is the Holy Place (Eph 5:27); this situation caused the apostasy and the desolation which scattered God’s people (2 Thes 2:3; Ez 34:5-6).
    Before the fall of Babylon and the day of the Lord, God will send his second messenger or servant to prepare to the Lord, a people ready for him, gathered and not scattered:
    *Rev 14:8: “Then a second angel followed the first one, saying: “She has fallen! Great Babylon has fallen!” (See also Rev 18:1-2).
    *Mal 4:5: “Look, I am sending you the prophet Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the lord arrives…”
    *Luke 1:16-17: “And he will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God…he will turn disobedient people back to the way of thinking of the righteous; he will get the Lord’s people ready for him.”
    NB: So, the second Angel or messenger of Revelation 14:8 and 18:1-2, is no one else than Elijah, the son of man, who will warn people of the fall of Babylon , and ask God’s people to come out from her (Ez 7:2; Joel 2:1; Rev 18:2, 4).
    – The Third and Fourth Blacksmiths: are the Third Angel of Revelation 14:9-10. We only see one angel instead of two, because one of them (Rev 11:3-12), will be the Spokesman of the Duo, as Aaron and Moses (Ex 4:14-16; 7:1-2; Am 3:3; Ecc 4:9-12), as Theos (the Father) and Logos (Christ) – John 1:1-3. They will be the Representatives of God’s Nation during the Great Tribulation.
    In conclusion, the second Blacksmith of Zechariah 1:20-21, the second Angel of Rev.14:8 and 18:1-2, are no one else than Elijah, who will come before the Great Tribulation and the Fall of Babylon to warn the whole world and bring God’s Kingdom!

    (C) The Mission of Elijah has Two Stages

    Taking about the descendant of David who will restore his Kingdom, God has said:
    *2 Sam 7:12-15, 19: “I will raise up one of your descendants…He is the one who will build a house (a Temple) for my name…If he sins, I will punish him as a father punishes his son…But my unfailing love will not be taken from him…Sovereign Lord; you have made promises about my descendants in the years to come.”
    *Isa 57:17-18: “I was angry with them (him) because of their (his) sin and greed, and so I punished them (him) and abandoned them (him)…I have seen how they (he) acted, but I will heal them (him). I will lead them (him) and help them (him)…” – In the Bible in French, it’s a person (in the singular), and not several persons (in the plural)!
    *Ps 118:17-18: “I will not die, but I will live to tell what the Lord has done. The Lord has punished me severely, but he has not handed me over the death.”
    NB: According to the prophecy about the house of David at the end of the times, and according to the typology (foreshadowing of events to come) which is frequently woven through the Psalms of David (2 Sam 23:2,5), we are here in the face of a descendant of David that God will punish by a disease (2 Sam 7:14 ;Isa57:17), but God will heal him (Jer 33:6 ;Isa 57:18), because God supports him (2 Sam 7:15).
    But how God will heal him?
    *Job 14:13: “I wish you would hide me in the world of the dead; let me hidden until your anger is over, and then set a time to remember me.”
    *Ps 30:2-3: “I cried to you for help, O Lord my God, and you healed me; you brought me up from the grave, O Lord. I was on my way to the world of the dead, but you restored my life.”
    *Ps 40:1-3: “I waited patiently for the Lord to help me, and he turned to me and heard my cry. He pulled me out of the pit of despair, out of the mud and the mire. He set my feet on solid ground (rock) and steadied me as I walked along…Many who see this will take warning and will put their trust in the Lord.”
    NB: So, God will heal the descendant of David that he has punished, by a resurrection to the physical life; this means clearly that he was died before, owing to the disease God inflicted on him!
    Job’s prayer (cry) foreshadowed the physical suffering that the descendant of David had to endure before his dead, and his return in physical life. The prayer of Job was a prophecy for the time of the end, for today!
    It’s clear that all those verses above concerning the descendant of David cannot be applied to Job, or to David himself, and nor to Jesus, another descendant of David; that is why:
    – Job healed from his disease, without passing through the death (Job 42:10)
    – David didn’t die from disease (1 Kings 2:10; 1 Chr 29:28)
    – Jesus was never sick, and didn’t die from sickness (Jn 19:17-18.)
    To sum up, the descendant of David who will restore his kingdom at the end of the times, had to suffer much like Job and die; but he will return soon in the physical life, to fulfil the second part of his mission, at the time set by God!
    The Bible shows clearly the two stages of the mission of Elijah at the end of the times, throughout the prophetic persons he will represent:
    – Primo = First stage – First appearance – First fulfilment
    – Pause = Absence in the scene
    – Segundo = Second stage – Second appearance – Last fulfilment

    1) As the Son of man

    NB: Jesus is not yet the Son of man since his resurrection from the death (Rom 1:3-4; 2 Cor 5:16; Jn 3:6; 1 Cor 15:50).
    a) – Primo: He must first suffer must, be rejected and his message scorned (Mark 9:12; Luke 17:25)
    – Pause: He must disappear for a moment (2 Thes 2:7)
    b) – Segundo: He will rise from his hiding-place (Job 14:13; Ps 30:2-3). He will be revealed (Luke 17:30), and his day (Luke 17:24) will be the starting point of a worldwide upheaval, as it was in the times of Noah and Lot (Luke 17:26-29)
    c) – Primo:
    *Undermined by the sickness, he won’t be able to warn the spiritual Israelites, but whenever God gives him a message, he loosens his tongue and lets him speak (Ez 3:26-27)
    *Because of his sickness, he must be retained in the house, so he cannot go out among the people of God (Ez 3:24-25)
    – Pause
    d) – Segundo:
    *At a day set by God, he will get back the power of speech which he had lost, and he will talk again. He wile be a sign to the people (Ez 24:26-27)
    *In this day, he will not be tied again, he will stand up, and God will send him this time, to the spiritual Israelites, and they will know that a prophet is among them (Ez 2:1-5 ;Ps 40:3 ;Isa 29:23-24).

    2) As the Spiritual Josuah
    – Primo: He is a high priest, but he wears filthy clothes of the laodicean ‘own-way’ (Zec 3:3 ;Rev 3:17); he must be striped of this condition by a physical (severe) punishment, inflicted by God (Zec 3:4 ;Isa 57:17 ;Rev 3:18 ;Ez 3:24-27), and then, he must wear new clothes of God’s understanding and Justice (Zec 3:5)
    – Pause
    – Segundo: At a day set by God, he will germinate (appear, rise from dead) with great authority to rebuild God’s Temple (Zec 6:10-13).

    3) As the Second Angel (Blacksmith-Messenger)
    – Primo: He says (preaches): “She has fallen! Great Babylon has fallen”, in an undertone, like a murmur (Rev 14:8), in contrary to the first and third angels who say (preache) their messages in a loud voice (Rev 14:7, 9)
    – Pause
    – Segundo: In Revelation 18:1-2, the angel who comes down from heaven with great authority, preaches in a loud voice, the same message that the angel of Revelation 14:8 has preached in undertone: “She has fallen! Great Babylon has fallen!”
    To sum up, we see clearly that the angel of Revelation 14, and the one of Revelation 18, are the same messenger, because they have the same message, but which is only proclaimed in two different lapses of time, and with a different density or tone: firstly in an undertone – secondly in a loud voice.
    This shows clearly that the angel of Rev 14 has disappeared at a certain moment, before coming back in the forefront with great authority (Rev 18:1-2).

    4) As the Descendant of David
    – Primo: He is a shepherd, but he is punished by God (2 Sam 7:14; Isa 57:17; Ps 118:18; Jer 17:16), and rejected by people (Ps 118:22)
    – Pause: He is hidden by God in the grave (Job 14:13; Isa 49:1-3)
    – Segundo: He is saved and healed by God (Ps ,118:14-17 ;Isa 57:18 ;Jer 33:6), who bring him back to the physical life, at a day set by him (Ps 30:2-3 ;40:1-2 ;118:23-24), so that he restores the kingdom of David (2 Sam 7:12-13 ;Am 9:11).

    5) As Cyrus (the last time)
    – Primo: He is sent by God to announce the birth of God’s Nation (Isa 44:26; 66:7-8). God gives him new revelations which are treasures hidden in the darkness (Isa 45:3; Matth 13:44; Isa 48:6-7). He passes it on the Laodiceans who are in captivity in Babylon today (Ez 11:24-25) – They reject the message and the messenger!
    – Pause
    – Segundo: The earth will open wide, so he returns in physical life; it will be like childbirth (Isa 45:8; 66:7), so that the entire world, from east to west will know there is no other God (Isa 45:6). He will rise from the dead to rebuild Jerusalem and restore the Temple ( Church of God ) – (Isa 44:28; 45:13).

    (D) From what we know now, Can we Identify Elijah today?

    1) M. Armstrong was not Elijah to come
    M. Armstrong, the first messenger or servant of God at this end of the times could not be Elijah, because:
    – He came before Laodicea Era which has brought Apostasy in the Church of God (Rev 3:10 ;2 Thes 2:3 ;1 Tim 4:1 ;2 Tim 4:3-4 ;Mathh 24:15), and caused the dispersal of God’s people, after his dead (Ez 34:5-6 ;2 Pet 2:1-2 ;Act 20:29-30).
    – He didn’t prepare to God a people ready to him, not scattered, as Elijah to come will do it (Luke 1:16-17)
    – He has revived the Church of God in Babylon (Rev 3:1-2, 7-8), but he didn’t bring it out of Babylon , as Elijah to come will do it, before the day of the Lord (Joel 2:1; Rev 18:1-4; Luke 1:16-17)
    – He didn’t restore the kingdom of David , as Elijah to come, a descendant of David will do it (2 Sam 7:12-13; Am 9:11).
    In short, M. Armstrong was not Elijah to come; on the contrary, he was the spiritual Moses who has restored the Law in the Church (Mal 4:4), the spiritual Zerubbabel who has built the spiritual Temple of God (the Church) in this end of the times (Zec 4:9-10), and the Angel or Messenger who has preached, as testimony, the Good News of the establishment of God’s Kingdom on the earth (Matth 24:14 ;Rev 14:6-7), by Elijah (Matth 17:11 ;Act 3:20-21).
    NB: Even in the Jewish Canon, Moses represents the Law, and Elijah the Prophecy. The salvation comes from the Jews (Jn 4:22).
    Moses cannot be Elijah and vice-versa; so, the endtime Moses (Mal 4:4) cannot be at the same time the endtime Elijah (Mal 4:5-6)!
    Moreover, a space of time separates their arrivals on the scene:
    – The first has come before Laodicean Era (Rev 3:7) to build the endtime Church of God (Zec 4:9-10), and to restore the law in the Church (Mal 4:4),
    – The second will come soon in this laodicean era, before the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord (Mal 4:5-6; Matth 17:11), to get the Lord’s people ready for him (Luke 1:16-17), because God’s people were scattered after the death of the spiritual Moses (HWA) –Ez 34:5.

    2) Who is Elijah today?
    Taking about Cyrus, another representation of Elijah, here what God says:
    *Isa 45:3: “…I will give you treasures hidden in the darkness – secret riches. I will do this so you may know I am the lord…who calls you by name.”
    *Isa 49:1: “…The Lord called me before my birth; from within the womb he called me by name.”
    NB: If God calls Cyrus (Elijah) by name, that name must be mentioned in the Bible!
    Taking about the Prince of Tyre, a representation of the Man of sin, who will also come before the day of the Lord (2 Thes2:2-4), God says:
    *Ez 28:1-3: “…Son of man (Elijah), give the Prince of Tyre this message from the Sovereign Lord: In your great pride you claim: ‘I am God! I sit on a divine throne…you boast that you are like a god. You think you are wiser than Daniel, that no secret can be kept from you!”
    NB: A dead cannot talk to a living (Ecc 9:5,10); so, the son of man who will talk to the man of sin or Price of Tyre, and to the spiritual Israelites (Ez 2:3-5), will be a living, after his return in physical life (Ps 30:2-3 ;40:1-2 ;Luke 17:30).His name in the Bible is Daniel (Ez 28:3).
    The prince of tyre, the man of sin, will regard himself wiser and representative than Daniel, the son of man that God will send (Ez 2:3-5; 28:2).
    So, two forces or supermen will be in the forefront before the day of the Lord: the son of man, Elijah the prophet (Ez 2:3-5; Mal 4:5), and the man of sin, prince of Tyre the false prophet (2 Thes 2:3-4):
    – The Man of the sin, the False prophet: will represent Satan, the devil (2 Thes 2:8-11 ;Rev 13:11-17)
    – The Son of man, Elijah the prophet: will represent God (Ez 2:3-5; Mal 4:5; Matth 17:11).
    Daniel, the son of man named by God, who will talk to the man of sin at this endtime, cannot be Daniel the prophet of the Old Testament, who died long time ago, and is still waiting in the grave, the resurrection of the saints (Dan 12:9,13 ;Heb 11:39-40).
    Daniel, the son of man who is Elijah, is also the descendant or son of David; his name, then, is literally: “Daniel-Son of David” or “Daniel Dawson”, as God has called him before his birth (Isa 49:1; 45:3-4).
    Jesus, another descendant of David, was also called: Jesus-Son of David ( Dawson ) – (Matth 15:22; 20:30-31; Mark 10:47-48; Luke 1:32; 18:38-39).
    So, the name of Elijah to come is DANIEL DAWSON (Judge of God-Son of David)!


    Some people (the Jews), in the first century didn’t accept a truth that Hebrew Scriptures revealed clearly: the Identity of the Messiah. Jesus of Nazareth had complied with all criterions, fulfilled all the prophecies on him.
    However, a thickstring of lies and preconceived ideas stopped many of his compatriots understanding the Word of God (Rom 10:2-3; Eph 4:18).
    It’s the same thing today (1 Cor 10:11).The spiritual Jews of the end of the times, refuse to admit that, after the dead of M. Armstrong, Elijah who is the son of man, will come before the day of the Lord, and before the advent of Christ, to restore all things (Mal 4:5 ;Matth 17:11 ;Act 3:20-21).
    It is important to read the Bible without preconceived ideas, because as a veil, they darken the understanding and the intelligence of biblical truths (2 Cor 4:3-4)
    We must take example of the people of Berea, who listened to the message with great eagerness, and searched the scriptures day after day to see if what Paul preached was really true (Act 17:11 ;Jn 17:17 ;1 Thes 5:21).
    The Bible declares clearly that the son of man, Elijah and descendant of David who will come at the end of the times, before the day of the Lord:
    – Had to suffer much physically and be rejected (Ps 118:18, 22 ;Luke 17:25)
    – Had to die, after suffering much (Job 14:13 ;2 Thes 2:7)
    – Will return in physical life by resurrection Ps 30:2-3; 40:1-2; 118:23-24; Isa 45:6, 8; 52:10; Zec 6:12).
    But Jesus himself has predicted that, some people will remain hermetic to God’s Truths and Revelations “Even if someone were to rise from death” (Ez 2:5; Luke 16:30-31). So, when the son of man will rise from death, other people will say that he is a devil embodied (Hos 9:7; Matth 10:25).
    On the other hand, many of God’s people will wake up; when they see this miracle occurred, because they have taken seriously this warning and testimony:
    *Ps 40:3: “…Many who see this will take warning and will put their trust in the Lord.”
    *Isa 29:23-24: “When his (Jacob) sons see among them the work of my hands, they will recognize the Holiness of the Holy one of Israel . They will stand in awe of the Lord of Israel . Those in error will then believe truth, and those who constantly complain will accept instruction.” – “They will know that a prophet has been among them.” (Ez 2:5)
    So, it is urgent that we come out from our Laodicean attitude, and anoint our eyes, in order to recognize God throughout his Work (Rev 3:18).
    God doesn’t look at the flesh, he uses His Spirit to do His Work with the man that he wants and chooses (Rom 1:14; 1 Cor 12:13; Gal 3:27-29), as he has predicted before the creation of the world:
    *Isa 37:26: “Have you never heard that I planned all this long ago? And now I have carried it out…”
    *Heb 12:25: “Be careful, then, and do not refuse to hear him who speaks. Those who refused to hear the one who gave the divine message on earth did not escape.”

    Mbock Paul Janvier (COG – avoicecriesout)

  17. When us has burned up many nations will comte to Israel to make war against them because they will say God doesn’t care about us so lets destroy Israel. Israel will be frightened and pray to God for help since they can’t get help from Usa. Then God will send his son the messiah with strong power and they will protect Israel from their enemies. This is the 3 trip as a baptized for the messiah. When Jesus speaks about his return in matt 24 he refers to the old testament and the lord in the OT is his father so Jesus is speaking of his father coming here but replaces him with his father. This is now changed so it will be Jesus instead of his father but tåas I said it’s the third trip. The second starts soon from the Vatican. The funny life is soon over.

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