Messiah From Days of Old (Ancient Times)


What does “days of old” mean?

Written for a Jewish audience.

How ancient is ancient? How long ago is everlasting?

Or, maybe WHERE is everlasting?

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of early times, from days of old. Micah 5


Here the Hebrew terms for everlasting is motsa-ah, kedem, yom olam

Motsa-ah מוֹצָאָה indicates origin or “springing from” a place, or family descent, or strangely, a sewer, draught house, going forth (2 Kings 10:27), so it seems like a channel of some sort, where something flows from

How this “sewer” aspect relates to Messiah is a puzzle, unless it indicates the removal of the filth, sin and iniquity of the world, or from the “body” of a nation, and the establishment of holiness.

Kedem םמִקֶּדֶ indicates from antiquity, or ancient times, before time, or from the beginning, or “east” (why east?, it is used 32 times in scripture as “east,” 11 times as eastward,” 5 times as “east side,” and 2 times as “east part”)

Yom מִימֵי indicates day or time

Olam םעֹולָֽ indicates long duration, antiquity, futurity, forever, and ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world, continuous existence, perpetual, ancient time (of past). So, in this sense, Messiah is from “everlasting.”

Being physically born at a specific time, where there is a definite beginning in time and origin would be considered “current” at that time, and NOT coming from “antiquity.” This seems contradictory to what we would normally expect to see.

King David reigned from 1010-970 BCE, ancestor of Messiah

Micah prophesied from 737-696 BCE, about 300 years after David

So when (time) / where (origin) does Messiah come from?

Olam actually suggests “continuous existence.”


Time options:


The time of David, David returns?

Before the time of David, from ancient times.

After the time of David and Micah, looking to a future date

Before the time of David, from ancient times, and is sent back by G-D at a future time after the time of Micah

If he lives, then returns, does he get born again? Or just appear?



Bethlehem – obvious physical location from text

If origin was from “of old,” or from ancient times, from everlasting, was the original location still Bethlehem?

The issue of “the east” comes up here….

YHVH says in Ezekiel 44:

This [eastern] gate shall be shut; it shall not be opened, neither shall any man enter in by it; for YHVH, the God of Israel, has entered in by it; therefore it shall be shut.

As for the prince, he shall sit therein as prince to eat bread before YHVH; he shall enter by the way of the porch of the gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

So Ezekiel indicates, at the time of Ezekiel, that only YHVH has entered in by this gate, and it should be shut until the “prince” comes.

So, it implies the prince is coming from the eastern direction, possibly his place of ancient origin.


Time + Origin:

Putting the two together, the oldest “origin” from “everlasting” is…..

heaven itself.

Messiah’s “original” origin could be heaven.

Then afterwards, he is born in Bethlehem, according to Micah.

The next 2 verses in Micah tells us a little more about the future leader in Israel:

Therefore will he give them [Israel] up to their enemies, until the time that a woman in childbirth gives birth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.

**Note: Jews expect the Messiah to re-gather the Tribes of Israel and return them home to Israel. But here, it indicates that the nation of Israel will be reborn first, and then the remnant show up. It does not say Messiah gathers them. He then shows up in the next verse. We can see now that Israel has been reborn, and there is no Messiah yet.

So he is born in Bethlehem, but gives up on Israel, until Israel is reborn, or re-established. This happened in 1948.

So he is born in Bethlehem, “gives up,” and returns after 1948.

Unless this is someone born in recent times, he (Messiah) dies, and is sent back by the Almighty after Israel becomes a nation again.

Since he is “from ancient times,” this supports the theory that he comes, dies and comes back again, being sent by YHVH.

This means he comes twice.

Do we know how he dies?

Daniel 9:26 actually mentions the Moshiach (Messiah)


“And after the sixty-two weeks
Mosiach מָשִׁיחַ (Messiah) shall be cut off (תכָּרֵ), but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Cut off (תכָּרֵ) = to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant, destroy, allow to perish, to take away

**Note: this is a dramatic death, or “elimination,” not a natural one.

Rabbinic sources (Rashi) say that “the Roman emperor would make a treaty with the Jewish nation for 7 years. But for the second half of that term, the Romans would violate that covenant and impede the Temple service. The “mute abomination,” ie. a temple of idolatry, was erected by the emperor Hadrian on the Temple Mount.”

Publius Aelius Hadrianus Augustus, as he was known, was emperor from 117 to 138 C.E., and is best remembered in Israel for crushing the Bar Kochba revolt against the Romans and for the ensuing holocaust, including destruction of the Jewish community in Judea and the razing of Jerusalem, upon whose ruins he built a pagan city named Aelia Capitolina.

There was some form of peace, then the situation changed and a revolt occurred.

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So…. If the “prince to come” was Hadrian in 117 CE, that means the first presence of the Moshiach was before 117 CE as well, since he got “cut off” before the “prince to come” .. came.

And he had to be born in Bethlehem, according to Micah.


So WHO was born in Bethlehem before 117 CE?

Chabad. Org/ Wikepedia ( birth places of known prophets, public figures, leaders):

Samuel – Ramah

Micah – Moreshet

Abraham – Ever Ha Nahar

Isaiah – Jerusalem

Jeremiah – Anathoh ( Jeremiah 1:1)

Ezekiel – Arira

Daniel – Beth Horon

Hosea – Belemot

Amos – Tekoa (Amos 1:1)

Joel – Beth Omoron (Jeremiah 48:23)

Obadiah – Beth Acharam

Jonah – Karaithmos

Nahum – Elkesi

Habakkuk – Beth zuchar

Zephaniah – Sabaratha

Haggai – Jerusalem

Zechariah – Babylonia

Malachi – Sofa

Nathan – Gaba

Ahijah – Shiloh

Joad – Samareim

Azariah – Subatha

Elijah the tishbite – Gilead

Elisha – Abelmaul

Zechariah – Jerusalem

The only 2 known prophets / leaders known to be born in Bethlehem are King David and Jesus (Yahshua/Yeshua).

Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, Matthew 2:1

Jews do not consider Jesus as part of Judaism.

There is that “east” again in the verse above.

Unless it is neither one…but this is all that is in public record….and it is a figure from ancient times that no one had any knowledge of.


When David was here, he was anointed and crowned King.

When Jesus was here, he turned down the job. He had a different mission:

Therefore when Jesus perceived that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him king, He departed again to the mountain by Himself alone. John 6:15

So, Jesus did not fill the job as Messiah when he came. The Messiah is a king/ruler over Israel, according to Micah and other scriptures.

So, it could be concluded it is one of these men, based on birthplace and time alone.

David never said he was coming back, but he could be sent back by YHVH anyhow.

Jesus said he would come back, so, we wait and see.

David died of natural causes.

Jesus was killed, so he was “cut off” or removed.

It seems like it is one of these men.

There are no other candidates for the Ruler born in Bethlehem.

If either one shows up, it will be a second appearance.

Personally, I do not think the Messiah will be born all over again. I think the Father YHVH will just sent him back to earth at the appointed time.

But when it is time for Messiah to show up, he will defeat Israel’s’ enemies as the King of Israel.

And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. Micah 5:5

Assyrian empire. Look who lives there today:


We are in exciting times. Israel has been reborn, and the world is experiencing the birth pains for a Messiah, not just for Israel, but for the entire world.

83 Responses to “Messiah From Days of Old (Ancient Times)”

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  2. Very good 😊

  3. 8~1~6998 (out of 6000) in these last days of this Earth Age.
    Eve of “Tisha B’ Ab”. Remembrance of the destruction of Yahweh’s temples and other sad events in Jewish history.
    Last Evil Days of “Manmean”. Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns
    VERY SOON! Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM.
    Revelation 14:1 HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”

    Yes, when Yahshua returns will He find (THE) faith on this Earth? Luke 18:8

    The Father’s Name is Yahweh as there is not a “v” in Hebrew.

    It is sobering to note that King David died when he was 70. His son Solomon died at 60.


    • hOW MANY YRS. DID HE REIGN AS KING ?—- How many son did he have at the time of his death ? and what were their names dead or alive ?

      • David was the second king of the United Kingdom of Israel and Judah, reigning c.1010-970 BCE. According to the New Testament, he was an ancestor of Jesus. Wikipedia

        Born: 1040 BC, Bethlehem
        Died: 970 BC, Jerusalem, Israel

        Parents: Jesse, Nitzevet

        Children: Solomon, Absalom, Amnon, Adonijah, Tamar, Chileab, More
        Spouse: Bathsheba, Abigail

        Siblings: Zeruiah, Nethaneel, Abigail, Shimeah, Elihu, Ozem, Abinadab, Raddai

        • Thank you this will help me and i hope it will help you also Marianne when i am finished with what you gave me . But why does Matt 22:42-45 say Christ is the son of David . Then the man they called JESUS said CHRIST was the father of David . The jewesh doctrine said Christ will come from the loins of David . then David denies this . i know the answer just something for you to thank about if you desire. THE truth never changes but a lie will . many scriptures contride each outher .and to know the truth we must first know what is the lie . JUST like the antichrist doctrines comes first ,then comes the doctrine of our CREATOR and salvour and he is yet to reveil himself . if we dont know what he looks like and dont even know his new name . how will we know him if we meet him on the street ? MOST people will say he is a spirit and a body but you cant see it because it also is a spirit body , this is true but in GEN 1:27 and GEN 5 :1 says he also has a fleshly body ,GEN 22:8 G-d will provide himself as are sacrifce . there is only one GOD who created everthing he is the one called FATHER he is the one called GOD the SON and he his the spirit that gives ever thing life . and when he is finished our bodys will also live for ever . THIS IS NOT EASY TO EXCEPT BUT ITS TRUE

  4. That is a lot to take in, though I whole heartedly agree with your last statement that these are exciting times and the world over is having pains. These also could be times when a non savior could step in and state he is the one to fix everything.

    We are just one trade away on wall street for the market to fall and the dollar to descend in value, crashing everything world wide.

    • denise

      this was presented as a text or idea to present to jews, to make them think, and put 2 + 2 together.

      I hope it works

    • hello DENICE and you too dear sister Marianne . I read the SON OF MAN COMES FROM THE EAST . then i search every thing i could find concerning him . like the two of you can leave anything out . But we all must have a open mind .{ What i mean by this is not make any conclusion before hand } WHY if our conclusions is incorrect so are we . Now to my knowage the SON OF MAN has not yet come . am i wrong ? REV 1 :4-5 , 8 says no . the profect Moses spoke of , and the witness Joshua spoke of . IS it possible they all are the same person . And is it possible that this one person is the flesh body of the CREATOR and our SALVOUR ?

      • eduardo

        I do not see rev 1 supporting your statement that the son of man has not come. Jesus called himself the son of man many times.

        if you look through this list, you will see new testament scriptures about this

        jesus is both son of god, and son of man.

        and he is the express image of god the father

        The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation Colossians 1;15

      • Eduardo – I am not a Biblical scholar by any means, however the verses you refer to in Revelations 1:4-5, 8 are ones (for me) to seriously contemplate as they represent (to me) our Lord as and is the beginning and the end, He is, was, and is to be; He is all encompassing. We, as humans, in human form, can not see God, we are not capable, He took human form and washed us clean with His blood; the Son of man and the Son of God. He is, was, and always will be. Alpha and Omega.

      • thinks for your reply , we are both on a jurney looking for the truth , when we find it , we should share is this not true ? bless you , Jews or Gentiles our creator LOVES us all. NO matter what we believe do or say

    • Dear Denise my pc is not working well . However i will get back in touch . specialy after i buy my new pc

    • Dear sister can you explan what you mean by non savior ?

      • eduardo – I was referring to someone other than our Lord and Savior who would portend to be our Savior, the anti-christ, or someone working for it.

        When people are in pain, sometimes all they care about are being out of pain, and will believe what they want to see and hear. It is easy for someone to take advantage of their (our) vulnerabilities.

        That is why, no matter what, we must stay focused in Christ.

        I hope this helps.

  5. Good questions and good blog Marianne. Here is what Yahveh revealed to me some time back. We here on earth are subject to time and space, at least since the fall of Adam, but neither Yeshua or the Father are subject to either time or space. That means from this side of the fence Yeshua’s death (on I believe an olive tree, but that is another discussion) around 2000 years ago is as if it had occurred right there in the Garden. We see the Tree of Life, Yeshua, in the garden and we see it again (minus satan; the tree of good and evil) in the book of Revelation. That means Yeshua’s salvation is for ALL who accept it through our time. He died only once and defeated hasatan for once and for all taking the responsibility or blame for both Adam and Eve. Remember how Yahveh asked Adam and he blamed Eve then Eve blamed Satan? Although it’s hard for our minds to wrap around that concept Yeshua’s death as Second Adam is as if it had happened way back in the garden. If applied to Adam and Eve, to the Patriarchs and to all those who enter into covenant with Yeshua accepting the sacrifice He made taking the blame and curses in our place. We in turn are to follow Him and His terms (Torah), which means really following Yeshua trying to emulate Him (and not the Roman christ). In the ancient Middle East when you entered into a covenant or treaty with someone it was to death. Both parties agreed on terms and if one or if his descendants did not keep the treaty it resulted in the death of that person. We who accept Yeshua’s sacrifice are accepting, not just what He did on our behalf, but also the authority that He took BACK from satan when we really follow Him. That is the authority the first Adam relinquished by not guarding the earth and subduing it as he was told to do. Yeshua did that as Second Adam and as Son of Man. He was born as man in our timeline, in our time and space at the right time with perfect DNA, same as Adam’s but unlike Adam He did not gave His authority to satan but held His ground.

    Yeshua is alef tav; from everlasting to everlasting, same as the Father but He inserted Himself so to speak, in our time-space continuum as man to bring about His mission as Second Adam. Is hard for us in our present temporary state to comprehend this but things in the bible are not necessarily in chronological order and some even happened simultaneously as they are not necessarily subjected to time as we know it. Yeshua was Malchizedeck; literally Abraham tithed to Him, He was the visitor unto which Abraham vowed when He came with His 2 angels, He was the one who handed the Ten to Moses and whose back Moses saw (no man has seen the Father and lived). Yeshua was the one who identified Himself in paleo Hebrew as YHVH; behold the hand, behold the nail. It was Yeshua who Yacob wrestled with and the one with Daniel in the furnace. Yeshua has been all along our only intermediary and He is not affected by time and space same as the Father.

    …just sharing

    • rv

      I will have to go through this whole page…there is a lot of confusion and misquotes to justify a individual concept.

      example, the page says:

      In Jeremiah 32:27 we read “God is all powerful.”

      In Judges 1:19 we read: “God is not all powerful.”

      well, I checked Judges and it did NOT say that.

      when there is a long list of misinterpreted scripture, it is hard to take a LOT of time to refute it.

      there is the real Jesus.

      there is the misrepresented jesus.

      • LOVE YOUR SINCERTY AND YOUR OPEN MIND the truth will always reveil the truth and a lie will hide the truth . but the spirit in us will never lie to us . and it will denie the scriptures if what it says is not truth . if he will be our judge he cant be our salvour . GEN22:8

        • Eduardo – Hello again. I have this innate habit of looking up the Bible verses that people refer to in their posts. I am a little confused by your last statement of: “if he will be our judge he cant be our salvour . GEN22:8”

          Maybe you meant another verse but Gen 22:8 says nothing about judge or savior (perhaps your “cant” was meant to be a “can”?)
          Gen 22:8 is about Issac and his father Abraham going together in search of the offering.

          “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our King. He will save us.”
          Isaiah 33:22 (KJV)


      • Does not the testmony of the one they thought was the CHRIST. Mean anything ? Matt 16 :20 when searching the scriptures without believeing anything before hand . only then can we know the truth . according to the scriptures this mans name was called John not Jesus. and even in the new testment tells us the name of his mother .{HER NAME WAS CALLED MARY} ———— JOB 32:8 iF ANYONE SAYS I DONT BELIEVE THIS sobeit ITS STILL TRUE

        • tell me where the name of the christ is “john” in scripture

          in matt 16:20, jesus did want a riot to start when he was crucified, so he held them to secrecy at this point.

          this is because the moshiach, christ, was to be a ruler in Israel, according to Micah 5. jesus role at this time was the suffering servant, isaiah 53-54..

          he would return later to fulfill the other role.

          remember peter called jesus the son of god, the christ…and jesus did not correct him

          And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Matt 16:16

          jesus was to come twice, once to suffer, and again as ruler in Israel….

          • In Matt tells us a few rose from the dead , the rest of all the scriptures tells us there will only be one resurrection of the dead, then all those who died before this resurrection would rise after being dead , and death will be no more , including wars, famine , etc, and we will be on a new earth were there is no seas, or sun or death . conclusion if Jesus was the CHRIST the life that we live now we would never die , grow old , or suffer in any way . Paul said the resurrection of the dead did not happen yet , 2nd Tim 2 : 15 — Heb 9 : 26 — Job 19 : 25-27 Rev. 1 : 4 ,8 — And Paul explans it very clear in 2 nd. Corr 15 : 12-54 — And there are many more scriptures to conferm what i have explaned in few words .

  7. About times, eternity is a direction.
    «We are in exciting times. Israel has been reborn»
    well… actually Israel is dying, as it opposes itself to the order of God. This is very sad indeed !



  9. DAILY BEAUTY: Brokenness

    One thing I have desired of the Lord, That will I seek: That I may dwell in the house of the Lord All the days of my life, To behold the beauty of the Lord, And to inquire in His temple.

    Psalm 27:4

    It’s tempting to consider beauty as the measuring stick of myself as a woman. My perpetual fight to be seen or admired as beautiful. My constant pursual of perfection. My constant fight for independence.

    I am discovering the beauty of brokenness. A few years ago I worked as a potter’s apprentice and though this beautiful artform has taught me so much of God’s character it was the image of a mended tea vessel that stirred me most. Though the cup itself is quite beautiful, the most precious parts lie in the cracks. In the brokenness, in the fallibility, the weakness, the surrender. God inhabits my weakness. He redeemed that which was meant to destroy me, and turns it into our shared beauty. When I am reminded of my hurt and I am tempted to return to that place because it’s familiar, from today, I will no longer find my destruction, I will be met by the very life that saved me.

    Suddenly my beauty is irrelevant.

  10. i disagree with Jesus died at week 69th. original word was

    yik-Ka-ret ma-siah wa-en
    shall be cut off Messiah and have none

    word yik-ka-ret appeared 23 times and only 12 times refers to kill or killed.

    Dan 9:26 should be read as at 69th (7+62) week Messiah will be cut off (rejected) by His people and have nothing. Jesus was always considered as heretic by the Jew (they tried to stone Him several times) and during His service he said “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”(Mat 8:20) so Messiah was rejected and have nothing (but not dead yet)

    7 years covenant is not 7 years tribulation. 7 years covenant is 3.5 years Jesus preach gospel and another 3.5 years disciples continue His work to Israel until gospel to gentiles. So there is no delay from week 69th to week 70th, Daniel 70 weeks prophecy was fulfilled long time ago.

  11. i had a dream , in the dream it took a lot of effort (toil,sweat , tears } to reach to the airport, the flight is postponed so that i could finally check in and received a boarding pass at last minutes, when i came to the boarding area, found out the boarding pass is missing. dream ended

    interpretation, i heard pastor David pawson said this —

    once saved always saved is not true.

    he said the salvation is a process, the day we are saved which is just a beginning of a journey toward the final destination. city of zion , there are so many area in our life need God’s salvation. we are semi-finished in the process. remember pastor Bob Jones went to heaven, God ask him

    “Did you learn to love?”

    in the end time , there are so many choice we need to make, there are 2 camp of worship, one camp is worshiping the true God, the other camp is something else,

    the dream just give me a warning what is my heart condition, my true motive is, i need God’s mercy and grace to finish my journey.

    any thoughts , thanks , God Bless

    • q

      I think we all must take our boarding pass seriously, and make it a priority NOT to lose it.

    • regarding bob jones
      video start from 9:11}, Bob Jones describe that there is a 11 years old crippled girl , praying for people all the time , she learned to love on the earth so she went into heaven, it looked like there are 2 lines separated, one for heaven one for the other , he mentioned there is a 93 years old woman, (video from 10:00} she said she never love people , she only love God, so she also went into heaven , did she ?? not clearly understand , she has no work on the earth, ( video 10:00 – 10:25 25 seconds , } , did the old woman learn to love ? could you explain , thanks , God Bless

      • I don’t know….strange video

      • most part of video are ok, only the last 30 second , do not know what is going on

      • q –

        I normally do not insert myself into many of these discussions, but I felt compelled to answer. You only have to look at what you wrote in your question for your answer.

        The 11 year old girl “learned” to love on earth, and went to heaven.

        The older woman only loved God, she also knew love and went to heaven.

        My take on the answer to your question is the older woman knew how to love, and therefore did not need to learn on earth.

        Both knew love, both went to heaven.

        Just my two cents. 🙂

        • ok

        • , only 30 seconds, if possible, pls watch video from 10:00 to 10:30 , the video said that when we go to heaven, God will ask each of us a question ” have you learned to love ?
          from the confession the old woman made, very confused. my English is broken english,

          if you do not feel like to watch the video, please ignore me.

          let us discuss from the tree of life , not the tree of good and evil.

          • q – I watched the video part that you requested of me. You say your English is broken, well, none to worry as my English is quite good but even I had some difficulty understanding what was being said.

            I still stand by my answer, both the young girl and the older woman loved, perhaps as a by product of both their situations, though both had different circumstances.

  12. “days of old” also used here:

    The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. Genesis 6:4

    so could the days of old used to describe messiah’s origins indicate he was there in genesis?

  13. also relevant

  14. Do you see in Yeshayah (Isaiah) 8:18 how the very name of Yeshayah or Isaiah is a sign of the name they would give the Messiah.
    Yeshayah 8:18 Orthodox Jewish Bible
    “Hinei, I and the yeladim whom Hashem hath given me are for otot and for mofetim in Yisroel from Hashem Tzva’os, which dwelleth in Mt Tziyon.” anglicised this reads:
    “See, I and the children whom the Lord has given me are signs and portents in Israel from the Lord of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.” They called His Name ‘Isa’ or ‘Yeshua’ or ‘Jesus’ and this harkens back to the name of ‘Isaiah’ or ‘Yeshayah’ fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah 8:18. The names of the children of Isaiah were signs but so was the name of Isaiah himself.

    • stephen

      no, I do not see the connection

      • Isaiah (Yeshayah) 8:18 ‘Yeshua’ so much like ‘Yeshayah’. Isaiah was saying in chapter 8 that the names he was commanded to give his children were themselves signs and prophesies but not only his children but he too was being made such a sign. So the signs were that despite all the upheavals and troubles there would come a sure certain salvation from The LORD. The name Isaiah is itself a sign of this like the names of his children. The name given Yeshua is showing the fulfilment and that indeed this promised salvation had now come. Islamic name for Yeshua is Isa. The fact if is like the name Isaiah is no coincidence but a sign, like Yeshua is like Yeshayah. Unfortunately the anglicised name Isaiah hides this by being so dissimilar to the anglicised name Jesus.

        • I guess the surprise to us all is that this salvation is not military or liberation from physical slavery but teaching and a sacrifice and liberation from sin and from failing to be saints. The salvation that creates saints.

          • And the way it works is that by what the Messiah did in giving more spirit-filled teaching and dying as a sacrifice for sin, rising and leaving this Messiah opened the way for the Holy Spirit to be sent to each person individually, as Joel prophesied, and this allows a more powerful converting force than the Law which creates saints as each one who receives all this actually does stop sinning.

  15. I guess Paul lied to all of us when he said in Heb 9 : 26-28 —- Christ would only come once , just before the end of the world. live , and die then be ressurected and at his ressuretion death would be no more . Job also made a mistake when he wrote Job 19 : 25 ? and king David — IF the one you call Jesus was the CHRIST none of us would be on this earth . WHY we would be on the new earth where there would be no seas, sicknesses, or even death . 1st. Cor. 15 :1-54—- 1st. Peter 1 :18-21— 2nd. Peter 3 :13— second John 1 : 13 — Rev. 1 :4-5 , 8

  16. Matt 16 : 12-28 MUST be read very carefully and pay attention to what it says and not what one believes it says . encluding Mark 7: 36 — 8:27-32— 9:30-32— Luke9 :18-27— 2nd. Tim 2 : 15- 19—- conclusion IF we die CHRIST has not yet come ¡¡¡ died nor resurrected it is in the near futhur when it does happen we will be given a new body that will never die or grow old.

  17. Why do people say that Peter was not corrected ? the man that Peter spoke to called him satan , Matt.13 :35 — 13:52

  18. DEAR sister you did not hear by seeing what i wrote . I did not say the name of CHRIST was John : i said this man they thought was the CHRIST was named John

  19. This is not a good thing when people reject what they see and hear . and hold on to what they believe is correct and this is what most people do . thats why there are so many doctrines of man. and none that i know searches all the scriptures before they chose the doctrine that reveils the truth . Thats why the world is deceived —Hebrews 9 :26 proves this is to be true if one excepts it or not . Christ will die for everone that has sinned and not just a few , there for he will not judge any BECAUSE HE CHOSE NOT TO . And this is a fact no matter what anyone wants to believe

  20. If CHRIST came and died for the sins one cometed they are forgiven because HE payed the price with his life . this includes the first sin and the last sin that was commeded no matter who commeted the sin . but this does not encluded the sin or sins that were commed afterwards, Paul said in this case CHRIST would have to come ever year and die again for the sins that were commed the year before , and each year after a sin was commed but not before

  21. conclusion IF he came the first time and died for the sins of the world , the second time he would judge those who sined after he died no salvation for them or for us . IF we say i have not sined we lie, is not a lie a sin? The plan of savation of my FATHER is prefect , and it includes all HIS creation includeing you

    When we honor God we are so honored, when we value God we become so valuable, when we acknowledge that our life belongs to God we see that the treasure is the very Life of God in us. God says, “all life is Mine” and if you live according to My heart and soul you will endure forever.

    The original sin was attempting to live outside of God’s Life and presupposing there was life outside of God’s Life (THE LIE). God said it was death!
    Today man thinks he can choose between Life or death. . .NOPE. . .when man chooses Life it means he is enjoying the true attributes of the fullness of God according to God’s heart and soul. Anything outside of that, is automatically death.
    When we are in death, and it can mean the walking dead, we are here only for a terminal time. To understand true life means God’s Life which is Everlasting.
    God said “He made the destroyer to be destroyed”.


    Jesus said, “I have come to bring Life and more abundantly”.

    If you study “the sacrifice” it was a means by which God allowed all to come back to the Life of God and live eternally.

    The first sacrifices were inadequate and had to be offered continually. Jesus was “THE PERFECT SACRIFICE” that Was done once for all . . . for all time!

    Midi-chlorians were Star Wars microscopic, intelligent lifeforms that lived within the cells of all living beings.

    The Force spoke through the midi-chlorians, allowing certain beings to use the Force if they were sensitive enough to its powers. Midi-chlorian
    counts, used to determine a being’s potential in the Force, could be tested by examining a subject’s blood.

    The highest known midi-chlorian count—over 20,000—belonged to Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One who was believed to have been conceived
    by the midi-chlorians.

    According to legend, midi-chlorians originated on a planet in the heart of the galaxy, from which life was also said to have emerged.

    The midi-chlorians played a role in eternal consciousness; as all living beings generated the Living Force, it fed into the Cosmic Force
    and communicated through the midi-chlorians, allowing a being who had the knowledge to manifest themselves after death.

    The Movie Phantom Menace, the source of the Force is revealed.

    Anakin: “Master, Sir… I heard Yoda talking about Midichlorians. I’ve been wondering: What are Midichlorians?”
    Qui-Gon: “Midichlorians are a microscopic life form that resides within all living cells.”
    Anakin: “They live inside me?”
    Qui-Gon: “Inside your cells, yes. And we are symbionts with them.”
    Anakin: “Symbionts?”
    Qui-Gon: “Life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without Midichlorians, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force. When you learn to quiet your mind, you’ll hear them speaking to you.”

    The Force is the inner source of energy that powers all living things and is manifested as an intracellular symbiotic life form called Midichlorians.

    IN REAL LIFE the name Midichlorians is a combination of Mitochondria (the endosymbionts that power our cells) and Chloroplasts
    (the endosymbionts that perform photosynthesis in plants).

    Similarities between mitochondria (the powerhouse of the “cell” NOT FOUND IN RED BLOOD CELLS. that generate most of the cell’s supply of adenosine triphosphate (ATP) source of chemical energy.) and midichlorians (that perform photosynthesis in plants):

    • Mitochondria power human athleticism as well as every process in the human body.
    • Mitochondrial concentrations are greater in star athletes, endowing Tour de France competitors with VO2 max readings and muscle power (VO2 max IS maximal oxygen consumption, maximal oxygen uptake, peak oxygen uptake or maximal aerobic capacity – is the maximum rate of oxygen consumption as measured during incremental exercise, most typically on a motorized treadmill. Maximal oxygen consumption reflects the aerobic physical fitness of the individual, and is an important determinant of their endurance capacity during prolonged, sub-maximal exercise. The name is derived from V – volume, O2 – oxygen, max – maximum.
    • Professional riders have wattages far greater than amateur cyclists.
    • Mitochondria are intracellular symbionts that live in our cells (two organisms that live, thrive in symbiosis, and have mutual successful interaction with one another).
    • Mitochondria are inherited.
    • Mitochondria are ancient and pre-date animals and humans.
    • Mitochondria are related to ancient bacteria with their own DNA that is separate from human DNA. We are not pure beings, but rather we are cohabitated conglomerations.
    • Midichlorian concentrations are not necessarily increased with training. The purpose of training is to make one more in touch with
    one’s inner symbionts and perhaps increase one’s physicality and coordination to better match the inner power.

    DO you know YOUR BODY WORKs just fine WITHOUT YOU?



    Are you the one responsible for killing it?





    The Feast of Trumpets “heralding in the King”
    The Day of Atonement “MOST PRECIOUS DAY”. Know you are precious to God, you are God’s very own.
    The Feast of Tabernacles God is with us
    The Feast of Passover “The Perfect Sacrifice” (Once for all. . .for all time)
    The Feast of Unleavened Bread JESUS’ is perfect lamb without flaw or blemish
    The Feast of First Fruits JESUS’ RESURRECTION is the sacrifice accepted “New Life”
    The Ascension of Jesus (Jesus fulfills Righteousness and returns to heaven)
    The Feast of Pentecost WE LIVE BY THE POWER OF GOD NOW IN US

  25. So this helps us understand the Messiah and what He is now: We in being united with Him spiritually become perhaps like a parallel of ‘mitochondria’ in the spiritual parallel of a ‘body’ that He has (besides the physical body that is more literal that rose from the dead that He has too). So microbiology can have its payoffs.

  26. Matthew 24:42-50

    42 “So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. 43 Understand this: If a homeowner knew exactly when a burglar was coming, he would keep watch and not permit his house to be broken into. 44 You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.

    45 “A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them. 46 If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job, there will be a reward. 47 I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns. 48 But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ 49 and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? 50 The master will return unannounced and unexpected, the evil will be eliminated.

    To “MANAGE” means to reveal THE MAJESTY AND GLORY of God that is in us, DECLARING THAT IT IS GOD’S LIFE IN US that makes us so valuable. It is nothing of, or for ourselves exclusively. Yes we must LIVE in the Fullness of God to be able to reveal this to others.

    HOW. . .

    Proverbs 3:5-8

    5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart;
    do not depend on your own understanding.
    6 Seek His will in all you do,
    and He will show you which path to take.
    7 Don’t be impressed with your own wisdom.
    Instead, fear the Lord and turn away from evil.
    8 Then you will have healing for your body
    and strength for your bones.

    What is “EVIL”. . . EVIL IS anything blocking the FULLNESS of God and PREVENTING all the FULLNESS of His benefits FOR ALL.

    Luke 24:44-49

    44 Then Jesus said, “When I was with you before, I told you that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and in the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. 46 And He said, “Yes, it was written long ago that the Messiah would suffer and die and rise from the dead on the third day. 47 It was also written that this message would be proclaimed in the authority of his name to all the nations,[a] beginning in Jerusalem: ‘There is forgiveness of sins for all who repent.’ 48 You are witnesses of all these things.

    49 “And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven.”

    To “REPENT ” means TESHUVAH -to come back to the FULLNESS of God.


    “ALL WHO REPENT” means by you just believing you receive the FULLNESS of God.

    “TO BELIEVE” means (going back to the earliest Hebrew translations) means “simple trust” . . . like a new born baby who naturally suckles at his mother’s breast and thrives!


  27. Now again using STAR WARS as an analogy to help us understand the intent of God, Who Himself says, Isaiah 55:8 “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says the LORD.”

    Our “SIN” essentially is NOT ABLE TO SEE GOD . . . and obviously not hear God and/or have the knowledge of the fullness of God, which in fact we need for our cure, our remedy and our forever. . .or not. In the fullness of God there is no sin!

    Anakin Skywalker had the highest count of Midi- chlorians in each of his cells in his body, 20,000 to be exact. As a child, he was brilliant with machines and he had a clairvoyant ability to see into the future. In many ways you can say he had an ‘old soul’ with a keen sensitivity to the world around him.
    The Midi- chlorians in his body ARE not the FORCE , but the FORCE talked through the Midi- chlorians. Every living thing had Midi- chlorians in different amounts which gave each the ability to be more sensitive to the FORCE.

    Obi-wan Kenobe said, “Let go, Luke trust in the force.”








    Isaiah 30 1”Oh, rebellious children, says the LORD, who carry out a plan, but not Mine; who make an alliance, but against My will, adding sin to sin. . .” 9 For they are a rebellious people, faithless children,children who will not hear the instruction of the LORD;10 who say to the seers, “Do not see”;
    God’s Promise

    15 For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel: In returning and rest you shall be saved; in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.” IN YOUR LIFE,GOD IN YOU.

    Isaiah 30 18 Therefore the LORD waits to be gracious to you; therefore He will rise up to show mercy to you. For the LORD is a God of justice; blessed are all those who wait for Him.19 Truly, O people in Zion, inhabitants of Jerusalem, you shall weep no more. He will surely be gracious to you at the sound of your cry; when He hears it, He will answer you.

    20 Though the Lord may give you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, yet your Teacher will not hide Himself any more, but your eyes shall SEE your Teacher.

    Acts 2 21 and it shall be, every one — whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, he shall be saved.

    Even Job was blessed even more than he was before, when he finally was able to see God. JOB 42 IT IS ALL GOD, IN US!

    If you try to live your life alone, you are 100% terminal.
    When you let God live in you, you are 100% forever.

    Let go! Trust in your living force. . . God in you!

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