Messiah will be cut off

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For those who only see, and expect, a conquering Messiah.

There are other scriptures that prophesy the conquering Messiah, and an era of great peace on earth, but they are not the focus of this post.

What few realize is that the Messiah (Moshiach) was also predicted to come before that time.

So, in essence, he is sent by God twice, in two different roles, separated in time.

Jewish people do not spend much time studying prophecy.

They usually stick to the Torah readings, and some other complementary passages from the Tenach.

So I am writing this to bring this point to light.

Two prophecies I want the Jewish people to read and think about:

1. Daniel – foretells the Messiah who dies (gets cut off) not for himself, but for Israel’s transgressions.

Dan 9:26   And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

When does he get cut off?

Dan 9:25   Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Artaxerxes decree 445/457 BC

69 weeks (483 years) later = 27 – 39 AD

Time of Christ

Only other decree was from Cyrus 537-510 BC

69 weeks (483 years) later = 55 – 28 BC

This does not fit, nothing happened.

2. Micah – foretells the Messiah being born in Bethlehem:

a.   who has been around since “everlasting.”

b.    he “gives up” the people until the time of travail, and the return to the land of Israel ( after exile)

Mic 5:2 ¶ But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.

Mic 5:3   Therefore will he give them up, until the time [that] she which travails hath brought forth [Jacob’s trouble]: then the remnant of his brethren [Judah} shall return unto the children of Israel.

When would this final time of travail occur?

At the “end of days,” during Jacob’s trouble, a time of 3 ½ years.

Dan 12:1 ¶ And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which stands for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Dan 12:6   And [one] said to the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, How long [shall it be to] the end of these wonders?

Dan 12:7   And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and swore by him that lives for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished.

When does the 3 ½ years start?

After the abomination at the end of days:

Dan 12:11   And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Dan 12:12   Blessed [is] he that waits, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Dan 12:13   But go thou thy way till the end [be]: for thou shall rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days..

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By considering these prophecies, one can see that the Messiah was meant to come once, be cut off (die), and then return at a later time, when Israel was in the greatest travail, which would be in the last days, according to Daniel.

The only person in history who came, got “cut off,” and then promised to return is Jesus.

See also

Did Jesus fulfill the Jewish Scriptures for Messiah?


41 Responses to “Messiah will be cut off”

  1. Thank you Marianne.
    Here are some links for those Jewish people that might be asking these questions.
    http://www.bibleone.net/J4J_3.htm
    http://www.bibleone.net/J4J_1.htm

  2. Of course Jesus fulfilled the Scriptures for the Messiah! It is plain to see this. However, the Pharisees, and/or leaders of the Religious sect that oversees the Jewish Nation, would lose power if the admitted this! Therefore, it is NOT in their (the Religious “overseers” of the Jewish Nation) best interest to acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah.

    Therefore, as we all know, it is a “power struggle” amongst the leaders of all the nations as to whom is going to “rule-the-world!”

    Forgive me all, but as I wrote this, I realized that every morning (almost!) I drink my coffee from a cup with “Pinky and the Brain” on it. It’s a old cartoon in which “Pinky” would ask the “Brain”…”What are we going to do today?” And the “Brain” would answer with, “The same thing we do everyday, try to take over the world!!!”

  3. shared this in Hebrew Roots 😉

    Thanks Marianne and LOVE the Pic!

  4. Ah yes Bob,

    Satan may be able to control our minds but he will never control our hearts. There lies his power and his weakness.

  5. Marianne

    I would say to the Jew who has not yet been reborn, that his/her porch light is on but he/she just hasn’t arrived home yet but God is working on it.

    • hi pattie

      good thought

      • Will someone post a message to http://www.aish.com to the wailing wall for Yeshua to help us fight the enemy’s Radio Frequency ID battle that he’s waging on America, the youth, the unsuspecting & the unarmed believers. Sunday churches are cursed b/c they follow Constantine’s edict. Do the research-Catholism is the model for most Sunday churches. They’ve confused the world.

      • Most people don’t know they can call forth the angels of the book of Daniel to fight the angels of Revelation. Please share this with believers & prayer warriors.

        • dear Intercessor

          I am aware that God commands the angels, but what scripture do you refer to to say we can do this?

          • Thanks Marianne for sending messages that are Delivering our spirits & souls out of death, hell, and grave according to scripture in Revelation we are forgiven b/c of the grace of Yeshua & mercy& love everlasting to everlasting according to the book of Psalms.

        • Hello! “The Intercessor”!!!

          As Marianne asked, I too would like to know what “Scripture” you are referring to that says we “can call forth the angels of the book of Daniel to fight the angels of Revelation…”.

          “IF”…what you have referred to, is indeed “true”…then “we” who have studied the Bible have completely “missed this!”

          NOW! Don’t everyone jump on me for this…as I am just “thinking-out-loud!”

          BUT…this may actually have some basis-in-fact…I simply cannot remember when, where, whom, or what…part of the Scriptures this comes from!!! However, thanks to “The Intercessor”, I recall a conversation I had with someone, much more knowledgeable than I, in regards to the, Book of Revelation, in which he said that God gave us “…freedom of choice…”, and that “we” DO have control our own destiny and that “IF”…”we” do not change our ways, then…the Book Of Revelation, IS what we have to look forward too. OR, something of that nature!

          God Bless!

    • Marianne,

      I love your writings, they inspire me and give me hope.
      You have no idea what “cut off” really is like! I’ve been stuck around here for years. Mind if I come over and do the dishes?

      Your dreamy prince,

      Michael

    • This Jew, tell me all about him.

  6. It’s not up to God it’s up to YOU.

  7. Jesus was saying that mankind has it within him/herself to solve every problem on earth not to sit back and wait for some divine intervention. “Seek and ye shall find” was not a statement about personal salvation it was a statement about the inate abilty of mankind to find the solution to all mankinds blindness. Waiting for God to solve it is just a sign that mankind has not found the solution yet. Gos is not “working on it” he is waiting patiently for us to solve it.

  8. That Gos was God by the way.

  9. Well Mick. That’s partially right. Man can solve SOME problems, but G-d will have to personally return to fix what we have messed up beyond repair.

  10. Too true, but the truth is that WE did not mess it up. But it is still a problem that we can fix. When the restrainer is taken out of the way all will become clear. ie Satan (the problem) will become manifest, the rest will then be just a question of time (and God of course)

  11. Daniel 4:23

    “”You, O king, saw a messenger, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, ‘Cut down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump, bound with iron and bronze, in the grass of the field, while its roots remain in the ground. Let him be drenched with the dew of heaven; let him live like the wild animals, until seven times pass by for him.'”

    Tree / restrainer ? It’s not rocket science. But is has been done. So relax.

  12. Does anyone know what the Bronze and iron means?

  13. I have decided that I don’t understand the Bible at all!

    • hi steve

      I think you have a good understanding of it in general. Many passages are mysterious and symbolic, and force us to think hard about what they mean. We all have to dig deep to find out the true meanings of many passages.

      There are some things I have been wondering about my whole life, so do not feel alone in trying to understand everything there.

    • The Holy spirit will guide you that which HE wants you to understand and believe just have faith and live like you should and tell people of JESUS CHRIST

  14. Everything? I was going to start with ‘Anything’ and see how it goes! Why is the Bible so cryptic and obtuse? If it’s that important why not just say it in plain language? Some people can’t even read, how are they supposed to become ‘Christians’?

    • hi Steve

      Jesus said he spoke in parables on purpose. This is to weed out the superficial people and keep only those who are willing to think deeply about what was said.

      This second group has a greater commitment, and will be more faithful. With time, if one studies, revelation and answers to questions will come to anyone who seeks the truth.

      We are all on this path. If things were too easy, we would read it and forget about what it says. It is the mysteries that hold us and make us think hard. Much of the bible is clear in its writing, and is there to help interpret the rest of it.

      But remember, we are not saved by how much we know or understand, but we are saved by the blood and actions of Jesus. This also keeps us humble.

    • Steve
      Pray to God that he will give you wisdom and understanding.
      and let the Holy Spirit guide you. When I started to study the bible my first “goal” was to “know” God. I started in Isaiah (just a random selection) reading a chapter a night, and wrote down what that chapter tought me just about God, and how he acted or reacted to a certain situation, or what he desired or did not desire. I did not even try to understand the prophetic details in there. Once you understand who God is, and what he wants, the where when and why of prophecy will begin to fall into place. That is the path I took, I am sure others have better ways of doing it. A good study bible with a concordance will help as well. Proverbs 3:5-6, was always my guiding principle though.

      I agree whole heartedly with Marianne’s last statement as well. God bless

  15. Thanks Marianne and Dru

    “we are not saved by how much we know or understand, but we are saved by the blood and actions of Jesus.”

    One has to be REALLY sure about that conclusion.

  16. It’s already past;

    http://sabbathsermons.com/2011/01/08/10-the-little-horn-and-its-wound/

  17. The end of the daily sacrifice refers to the destruction fo the Jewish temple. The tribulation period following was the early Christian persecution by pagan Rome who’s beast was Nero (666). This is true because the prophecy of the 70 weeks ends just before the temple was destroyed. We are currently in the prophetic phase of Gog and Magog, refered to in Ezekiel 37+++ and Revelation, just before the great white throne of judgement.

    Jesus will return when you see the Arab armies swarm Israel.

  18. Israel is still a pulse for prophetic occurrences (of course, there’s spiritual Israel as well, but not everything is ‘spiritual’). I like to make a comment about preventing what will occur and has been described in Revelation. I tend to like the idea that we could change the course of events but I have to remember that this idea that I have power, is the first deception of Satan. When we get the traffic news, an helicopter can see what is ahead, the helicopter or the pilot didn’t create the ‘jam’ but he can see ahead what is already happening. God not only dictates (Only the Father knows the day and the hour, not even the angels know) the cut off time but he can see the direction humans are taking. I once heard a pastor saying that if he died, he ha enough faith to resurrect himself, if that was true, then jesus didn’t have to die on the cross. and faith, by the way, is faith in Jesus and God, not faith in faith, like the new age movement suggested. What we can do is to deliver ourselves in the Hand of the One who Knows and the One Who loves us, I can’t save anyone but I can accept Jesus salvation for me and I am not familiar with any passage that implies that we can change the course of Revelation. I think it’s human nature to make God look like us (the original sin of worshipping the creature instead of the Creator, making idols of knowledge, beauty, money, power and everything that appeases the flesh) Don’t fall for that. I suggest that using our energy to listen to the Voice of the Holy Spirit is more important than to try to change the message of the Holy Spirit (even though I do love the idea of having the kin d of power that could prevent all this destruction and protect my loved ones, I don’t think I have this kind of power)

    • Hello “Chrys!”

      You know what you are talking about, I too, had read that “we” had, not the “power”, but the “choice”, to change the outcome of whether or not ALL that takes place in Revelations, come to pass!

      Whether “we” have the ability to change ALL that “must come to pass” or not, is really immaterial, as we have been given the “choice” to have faith in God and Jesus Christ, or go the way of the world! Individually, each and everyone of us must make that decision. AND, “IF” we are lucky, perhaps by following the “teachings of Jesus Christ”, maybe…just maybe…we can help someone else allow the Holy Spirit into their life!

  19. You might like to ask yourselves why the Jewish people did not tell the Christians about Messiah Joseph. Was Messiah Joseph cut off? Yes. Did they come back? Yes. The LORD God enabled it.

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