No Signs–No Faith


Do we really have the faith and signs to be called believers?

Mark 16: 17-18

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover

In the scriptures, faith was more than passive belief.

It was more than repentance.

It was more than baptism.

It was action.

Scripture says faith without works is dead.

The apostles walked in signs and wonders, and the church grew.

So what has happened to the power to do great acts in the name of Jesus?

The passage from Mark indicates that, if we really have faith, if we really believe, then:

Devils will flee from us

We will speak with new tongues

Serpents will not harm us – that means physical ones, as well as spiritual ones

Poisons will not harm us.

And we will be laying hands on the sick, with them recovering.


So where are the miracles?

The passage indicates a direct relationship between miracles and faith in general.

It did NOT say miracles were related to only GREAT faith in special people.

It just said “those that believe.”

So if there are no signs, then it implies “those” people are not believers.

If this definition is correct, then very few people really “believe.”


Scripture asks also, when Christ returns, will he find faith on the earth?

Luke 18:8

I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Jesus is looking for faith, those that believe.

Maybe, because the” signs and belief” have been missing, this is the reason why He has not returned yet.

Believers are identified by the signs that follow them.

So this is a serious question to all “believers:”

Are we really believers?

Or are we fooling ourselves with a more comfortable, powerless version of mental agreement to packaged dogma, that makes us less useful to God?

We may be doing good works, but without the complete change in our surroundings that God wants.

If we feed the poor, or preach the gospel, that is positive.

But if we neglect to bring the power of God to the world, we have somehow still not done all that is required of us.


I feel convicted.

I want the rest of my life to be clearly defined by what signs follow me, all to His glory, not mine.

I want the excitement of the power of God.

I want the exhilaration that comes from seeing healing and deliverance in those who feel the fire and presence of the Lord.

I want signs to convince the unsaved that God is among them.

I want to be a true believer, not just someone who gives lip service to the name of Jesus, and then does nothing!

I pray that 2012 and beyond be a time of great signs and wonders, to the glory of God, to be an open door for the salvation of many in this world!

69 Responses to “No Signs–No Faith”

  1. I LOVE this post!!! YES!

    I heard of a young woman in India who found a New Testament lying around. She knew nothing of church or Jesus….a blank page. After reading and warming to the message, she decided to believe it….ALL OF IT. So she innocently went around raising the dead and healing the sick, casting out addictions and various demons that enslave humans.

    This is on good authority from a friend with a healing ministry.

    There is much hybrid Christianity in India and other places…more belief in the Gospels than church or Paul either. In Islam the Gospels are Holy but not the rest. This was true of the suffering soldiers in the world wars…they identified with Jesus.

    Of course it all goes together to make one Testament. But the Holy Spirit can only work freely…and most people want to have God on their own terms, a safe, tame God Who is always respectable and obeys the conventions…a comfortable conformist Lord. People who have really met Jesus, (like Al Green) are, of course, complete fruitcakes…and an embarrassment.

  2. I have had some signs and wonders in my life, but not enough of them, and I don’t know why, except to say that Jesus does not always send them, even when one still believes, and I don’t know why.

    My husband and I went to Benny Hinn and his brother for a number of years. I had a miraculous instant healing of optic neuritis when I went to Henry Hinn’s church one night about 15 years ago. I also had an instant healing of foot drop when I went to Northshore Calvary Chapel in Carlsbad, CA after that. I have also had “signs”–perhaps a little long to explain them all here.

    My husband and I were perhaps more “into” evangelical church experiences at that time…was that the reason? But some of the “signs” are recent, when I am not actively involved in an evangelical church, but am mostly on my own, although I attend an Episcopal church which does pray for healing; it seems that the amount of illness in the present church is very high. Still I have had “signs” in recent years, but not the healing I would like to have.

    Paul the Apostle did have some “thorn in the flesh” which God told him He would not heal. Paul does not identify the thorn….it could have been other than a bodily affliction. God said to Paul “my faith is sufficient unto thee”, implying that one could have faith and still have an affliction. Are we to say that Paul was not in the same category as writers of the Gospels? Paul did have miraculous signs, starting with the Road to Damascus experience.

    I also saw miraculous healings of others at Benny Hinn events, and the persons I saw healed were right in front of me, not at a distance.

    So I don’t have an answer as to why these things have occurred or not occurred in my experience.

    I don’t know why those who pray sincerely, with group participation, at my present church, rarely experience healing, and in fact seem to be a sickly bunch of puppies, except for the rector, who is a bounding healthy young lad at age 72, and filled with faith.

    I don’t have an answer, but I am here to give testimony that both healing and signs have occurred in my life.


    • hi Mariel

      I think some healings come instantly, and some come with patience.

      I also notice that those new to the faith sometimes get healed quicker, and those more mature seem to have to wait longer.

      Perhaps the faith of the mature believers is a witness to unbelievers and the newly saved.

      No matter what the wait time, we shall still press in and keep going.

  3. There is great depths to be plumbed in what you are writing here Marianne. Check out what JESUS told the pharisee here-Mat 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
    Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
    Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
    Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
    Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
    Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
    Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
    Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

    Discernment is VITAL when dealing with casting out demons, healing, and speaking in tongues. Realize that for every good and holy thing that GOD has and does, the advisary has an imposter version, possibly the reason that looking for signs isn’t necessarily a good thing. Look at what JESUS says here-at 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    There is such a thing as demonic healing. There is such a thing as demonic spirits lying quiet inside a person for a time.

    Those of the devil, their father, want to be seen. Their level of pride and boasting will be evident in anything that they do. The ones who have the capability of demonic healing will be showboating about it.

    That which is of GOD isn’t flashy, showy, or sensational.

    My point in saying all this is pretty simple-we have to examine ourselves closely, study to show ourselves approved and work out our own salvation as individuals with fear and trembling. Each member of the body has a different function as well.

    Praying GOD’s will shall be done in the lives of HIS children!

    • Your response above is well said. Let’s not get caught looking for signs and wonders, For the false prophet of revalation will be performing them as well.

  4. Marianne

    What you write is true faith, the complete followers of Christ. I am baptized in his name I speak in other tongues, I cast out demons and think nothing of it as it is not my power or might but his who paid it all. We pray and the sick are healed. I was sick last night and they had prayer for me and today I got out of bed.

    My brother was suffering health issue for 2 years and he told me, I requested prayer with my church. We prayed and God healed him. My granddaughter was sick I prayed 10 minutes later she was not up, I prayed again and in short minutes she was up playing. In my church it is standard course of action. Pray and expect and received it!

    You must have faith when you pray. The Holy Spirit is a gift from God that no man shall boast, but tongues it seems not everyone has faith to receive.
    I say it is avialable to all who believe and are true followers.

    Most when you speak of demons run the other way. However the word tells us we have power to cast them out and when I am praying it not a second thought or if someone comes to me to have a demon cast out I pray and do so.

    I would never cast out a demon and not be in the place with God. But on the other hand God does not ever let me get to that other place. I watch little tv these days unless it is church channels and then selectively. My son and his fiance was home for the holidays and when they had things on and we rented two movies you realize how desenitized our nation has become to the visual things of the eye and the words. I went to take the dog out and when walking I always speak to the Lord and I felt his silence or distance.
    I knew he did not like me hearing those things so I excused myself when I came back in.

    I think it is ave to say that “Not all” are true believers but are of the New Age philsophy with shepherds of the same kind. I think you can say they are luke warm beleivers. However I wonder if the people understand the condition of their soul or the workings of the church they attend.

    So if an unlearned know not and attend a church and it have not the truth, how will the unlearned know they are in a place of weak faith and lacking in the things of Gods’ children? How many churches preach of the full salvation of Jesus Christ? How many say you have to be baptized in Jesus Christ name and you will receive the Holy Ghost and when the spirit moves on you, you will speak in other tongues? How many churches believe in the healing of people? How many believe we can bombard heaven with prayer warriors regarding a problem and by this faith in Jesus Christ we are multiplied, for one =1,000 and 2=10,000 in power and might. Jesus said he is there in the midst if 2 or 3 are gethered together in his name.

    The prayers of the righteous availeth much, faith can cast mountains into the sea, and make dead people get up and walk. I prayed for my husband at least 3 times and God brought him back from the dead.

    Some times when we pray inearnestly to the LORD our Savior we get a no and don’t know why but he does. I would say for me this issue was the prayer for my dead husband this time. He had been dead I don’t know how long before I was aloud to see him. I did not ask God for his life back that time. I had however prayed while he was on the ground and so many people were there listensing to me and I did not care I prayed. I love the Lord and I know only he in reality counts, not anyone else. He makes all final decisions about you and I. I know that know one could love my husband more than God does. He sent the Angel for the nation of Israel to take him home. My husband had been baptized in the name of Jesus and we are graphed into the tree and in the spirit realm we are Jews who are beleivers in him. I say it was the Angle of Israel as I had 3 dreams within days before my husband pasted and I knew it involved Israel but thought it was the coming of the savior and not the going of my husband but when coming back from the Hospital and weeping on my bed the holy spirit spoke to my spirit and revealed the meaning of the dreams. I am fine now, what a better place to be than with the Lord.

    I heard a muslim speak yesterday who was converted and found Jesus.
    He said he saw his face and his eyes are like the ocean the deep but clean. A man who had sought alla all his life and an evil spirit tried to ake him over and when rebuking it in alla name, it kept coming, when he said all of the things they are taught it still came and then he said God. He said he heard a vocie say to him, you must say Jesus. He then prayed for two weeks and ask the LORD to reveal himself to him and God gave this man his salvation not a minister or the flesh of this earth but Jesus Christ. What a beautiful story, he is at work.

    So most today don’t speak tongues and they have taken away the altar. How does anything saying it is of Ggod take away the Altar of the LORD? The Bible says in Matthew 23:19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred.

    Pray for the world as God wants a relationship with us. PLease understand I have these things because I expect them, I prayed for them. I am know one special but I belong to the greatest who knew everyone of us before we were put in our Mothers womb. Nothing is done without him, he is in everything that is life.

  5. Marianne

    Wow! Wow! I was reviewing some on line info on parts of Revelations and came across the Centuries of the Popes, parts one and two. I saw it say that the vatican said that the pope John Paul II was exshumed early to find he had risen to heaven. Where he shall be in charge of heaven according to the Wikipedia along with Jesus? I know I have had the flu and maybe I am still sick, but then again maybe all of you know all of this info and I missed this.

    Any comments/

    • that is silly…only Jesus and the Father rule in heaven.

    • I;m Catholic and have read much about the Vatican and banks and the last Popes….”Godfather III” covers it pretty well.

      The Church, Orthodox and Catholic, believe Jesus is bodily in Heaven… and Mary….also according to Scripture, Enoch and Elijah, who never died like Jesus or Mary!!

      For some reason JPII is being puffed to almost unbelievable lengths…I would be suspicious…it smacks of celebrity idolatry at best…at worst it hides apostasy. The first John Paul was a truly humble, pastoral priest. If anyone is in Heaven, it’s that one.


    quote from

    I checked-out the link provided and…I sigh…ummm I hope something heavenly will come out of the gathering. I did see something that got my attention, it is some the verses they are using for a foundation to have this meeting. This is the group of verses the Lord gave my DH in a dream about obama the night before he was swore into office….along with a bunch of 4’s. Plus a dream 30 yrs ago about crescent flag rising…..To me this sounds like a Christian Woodstock…I pray it is not…but seeing the types of music groups they’ve included it doesn’t look promising.

    God is indeed coming to Poplar Bluff, Missouri this summer to fulfill Isaiah 44:3-5, “I will pour out water on the thirsty…I will pour out my Spirit on your offspring…they will spring up like poplars by streams…one will say, ‘I am the Lord’s’…and another will write on his hand, ‘Belonging to the Lord’…” I truly believe this has the potential to help launch the Third Great Awakening in America. Be a part of God recapturing His dream for America. I assure you this is His idea—and He will come! It’s not a camp, it’s a consecration!

    Obama Inauguration Dream

    I was in a department store shopping, when I heard on their intercom….a Moslem call to worship in their native language. I looked at another shopper and she just shrugged her shoulders. Then I heard it again. This happened 4 times. Then I woke up. I quickly thought about the Inauguration happening that day. I went to get a drink of water in the kitchen and saw on the clock, 4:44. I thought, what does this mean Lord? I went back to bed and prayed in the Spirit for a while and fell asleep. I was in another dream. This time I was with someone who is Catholic, who said to me, look at my new Madonna I have on the wall. I did not look. But I knew it was a large sunburst with a large Madonna in the center of it. Then the scene changed and my wife and I were driving down a road in the country. Suddenly, about a ¼ of a mile ahead on the left side of the road, there came up 4 volcanic vents shooting straight up into the sky, pumping tons of black smoke and some gray ash, high into the sky. Then all this ash began to fall back to earth. It covered everything to where the landscape was desolate as far as you could see. Then I woke up.

    I asked the Lord what all this meant.

    Now I have seen:

    4 Calls to Moslem prayer
    444 On the clock
    44th President being sworn in that morning
    1 Madonna on a large sunburst
    4 Volcanic vents shooting into the sky

    Later that morning as I watched the Presidents speech, he said
    that America was Christian and Moslem nation.

    Text of Obama Speech…bama_text/print

    We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus — and non-believers. Always America has be referred to as a Christian~Judeo Nation and normally they will mention the other religions, but never mentioning muslims as the 2religion.
    but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age. “New Age”

    Meaning of President Obama’s Name;
    Barack: Blessed
    Hussein: Good, Handsome One
    Obama: Crooked, Zigzag, Not in a Straight Line

    “The blessing from the handsome one that is crooked”

    Remember the Word;

    Mar 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

    Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    (1) I believe the 4 calls to Moslem worship were telling us who and what our new President is all about.

    (2) The Lord lead me to Jeremiah 44:4

    I began to read at verse 2 – THUS SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS, THE GOD OF ISRAEL; YE HAVE SEEN ALL THE EVIL THAT I HAVE BROUGHT UPON JERUSALEM, Soon. The people of God who are apostate. AND UPON ALL THE CITIES OF JUDAH; Soon. Those in Christ, the True King of Judah, who are now in great error in the Spirit. verse 3 – BECAUSE OF THEIR WICKEDNESS WHICH THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO PROVOKE ME TO ANGER, Giving Gods Glory and Worship to another, Our new President is called the ONE, Abortion, our new President believes in it, lukewarmness and rampant sin within the church. IN THAT THEY WENT TO BURN INCENSE, The prayers of the Believers are now toward their new king of America. AND TO SERVE OTHER GODS, Man and then New World Order. WHOM THEY KNEW NOT, Jesus Christ is our God, no other. NEITHER THEY , YE, NOR YOUR FATHERS. Verse 4 – HOWBEIT I SENT UNTO YOU ALL MY SERVANTS THE PROPHETS, RISING EARLY AND SENDING THEM, SAYING, OH, DO NOT THIS ABOMINABLE THING THAT I HATE. You shall have No Other Gods Before Me, saith the Lord. It is not hard to see all the world is wondering after the Beast, system. (I suggest reading all of Jeremiah Chapter 44)

    (3) 44 President. As most of our Presidents, our new one is a Free Mason, and they are into numerology. 4 plus 4 = 8 completion, satans version, copying Gods Word, of bringing all mankind, including the church under his control. Just as the Remnant saints are preparing to go into Jacobs Trouble to be Purified, satan and his hoards are preparing to steal, kill and destroy, while receiving glory and adoration from all who worship him in his end time kingdom.

    (4) The Madonna and sunburst the Mother of Harlots and her son Nimrod-satan. Nimrod was king of the original Babylon. It was not by mistake that we just conquered Iraq-Babylon. Making us the daughter of Babylon, now, as they were in their day, the most powerful nation on earth. We, as they were, will be destroyed in these coming years. Our sins have caught up with us as they did with Israel and God punished them for it. We say we are a Christian Nation. Our President says, we are Christian and Moslem Nation. Saints, press into the true and Living God, Jesus Christ. He is our only Hope.

    (5) 4 – vents of smoke and ash

    The Lord showed me these represented the 4 corners of Earth, and they were demons spirits released into the World to seduce the people into receiving the new President and the New World Order as the only way to Save the earth, and themselves. Remember the Word of God says, you must be willing to loose your life, in order To save your life. This world as it is, is not our home. We belong to the Kingdom of God and our home is Jesus, The Zion of God, the New Jerusalem. We are in His Body and we make up the Temple of God, with Jesus As the Head. Saints, this dream was a call to repentance. We must turn From sin and trusting in man. Our Hope is in Christ Jesus, And Him Alone. Amen

    American Flag Falling and Green Crescent Rising

    April of 1980; When I first became a Christian, I had a Dream… I saw the American Flag Falls to the earth and a Green Crescent Flag Rises up. At the time I did not understand what that meant, but now I do. When our New President Obama said in his inaugural address that we were a Christian and Moslem Nation, it became clear. America has always been a Judeo-Christian Nation. Our New President, by the anti-christ spirit, that is present throughout the leaderships across the earth, is changing times and seasons. They are preparing to birth the New World Order in its… Fullness. …I then saw a down town scene, I was walking along a sidewalk and saw a church door open. It was dark inside, except from the light from the street. I walked in and down the isle to the altar. This church, as with much of the church we know today, was Desolate. I turned to face the street and saw people walking by with a look of awe upon their faces. They were looking up at a 45 degree angle. I went out to the street to see what they were seeing. I saw a Great Round Light in the sky. I started to walk toward it and I saw some people walking away from the Light with their heads down in shame. As I got under the Light, I saw Beams of Light coming down and taking the saints that had gathered under this Great Light. They were shooting up into the air, in these Beams of Light. Because of false teaching as a young saint, I thought it was the rapture, but I know now “IT IS AFTER” the Tribulation this takes place. Then I turned my eyes toward the Light and I too, instantly shot straight up toward this Great Light. Suddenly I saw this Great Sphere and Jesus was leaning out of it and pulling in the saints as they reached near Him in these Beams of Light. As I am approaching this Light, I realize it is made up of all the saints that Jesus is saving by His Mercy and Grace. I thought, “there is no room, it seemed to ready to burst with people.” Psa 122: 3 Jerusalem is built as a city that is compact together: Then suddenly, Jesus grabbed my hand and pulled me in and there was Plenty of room. Then I awoke.




    Posted 11 April 2010 – 04:57 AM

    I have been very aware of this too Darshar.

    4 denotes judgement

    • dear passby

      We are also entering the 4th year of Obama’s presidency.

    • Part of REVELATION 13:18 says “calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: his number is 666. Gematria is a three thousand year old practice thats already been calculating and giving the names of men a number. Here is the definition of gematria from Wikipedia. Gematria or gimatria (Hebrew: ???????? gema?riya) is a system of assigning numerical value to a word or phrase, in the belief that words or phrases with identical numerical values bear some relation to each other. In other words they take an alphabet, change every letter into a number in order to see what the word or words add up to numerically. Now if an unlikely pattern develops, mathematicians can tell you what the odds are. Jewish people believe that words or phrases with identical numerical values bear some relation to each other. Some Bible seeking Christians were already checking for unlikely patterns in the Greek and Hebrew languages. Its a commom fact that Jesus equals 888 in Hebrew Gematria and also adds up to 888 in Greek Gematria. When they finally checked the English Language they found a pattern including words from scripture that was mathematically impossible according to the laws of probability. And because the words involving Jesus and scripture were related to each other almost 2,000 years before english was spoken, the results below have to be divine intervention. There is really no other logical answer. Here are some famous quotes about math and numbers. Galileo galilei ” Mathematics is the language that God wrote the universe in.” PLATO, “Numbers are the highest degree of knowledge, it is knowledge itself.” Saint Augustine, “numbers are the thoughts of God.” Pythagoras “All is Number”
      When we see number used not by chance, but by design; not at haphazard, but with significance; then we see not merely so many works and words, but the living God working and speaking.

      The results below reveal the mystery of 444 and of revelation 13;18 with facts only. Biblical and mathematical facts which I later backed up with scripture. Its mystical all facts and amazing.
      The following results and mathematical facts are a statistial monstrosity when you consider the fact that english is a new language thats been spoken only around 550 years. The 444 results could not have been set up by human intelligence and the probability of it happening by chance is a statistically impossibility. has a calculator that does the math for us.

      A=6 B=12 C=18 D=24 E=30 F=6 G=42 H=48 I=54 J=60 K=66 L=72 M=78 N=84 O=90 P=96 Q=102 R=108 S=114 T=120 U=126 V=132 W=138 X=144 Y=150 Z=156 (JUST ADD THE NUMBERS/LETTERS)

      Simple = 444 Necromancy = 666 JORDAN = 372
      ENGLISH = 444 Mark of beast = 666 BASKETBALL = 510
      GEMATRIA = 444 Stubborn = 666 BASEBALL = 324
      PLAYER = 462
      JEWISH = 444 witchcraft = 666 BULLS = 396
      MESSIAH = 444 Sorceries = 666 CHICAGO = 276
      JESUS = 444 Illusion = 666 PIPPEN = 456
      Y’SHUA = 444 New york = 666 JACKSON = 438
      JOSHUA = 444 corrupt = 666 BESTEVER = 576
      CROSS = 444 Slaughter = 666 ALLSTAR = 498
      GOSPEL = 444 Computer = 666 ARENA = 234
      PREACHER = 444 Insanity = 666 SLAMDUNK = 570
      PARABLES = 444 treacheries = 666 SUPERSTAR = 822
      FRUIT = 444 Vaccination = 666 WINNERS = 612

      INCREASE = 444 VATICAN HILL = 666
      PAPAL STATE = 666
      MELODY = 444
      PARENT = 444 RAHM EMANUEL = 666
      ENERGY = 444
      MENORAH = 444
      GODSON = 444

      Shroud of turin = 1128, Jesus of nazareth = 1128,

      If we used the simplest formula: A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 etc etc, the values of the names will still be the same. All the 444 names would add up to 74 because going from A=6 to A=1 changes it by a sixth. Therefore all the 666 findings would all be 111. The bible says and I quote ” Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.” A wise person (He who has understanding) can look at the 111 findings with the simple formula and realize that to make them 666 you just have to change the A=1 to A=6 and now you have the correct Bible formula. If we use the simple formula A=1, B=2, C=3 etc. we notice that some words from the Bible associated with the Beast i add up to 111. examples:
      SORCERIES = 111, CORRUPT = 111, slaughter = 111, mark of beast = 111. Now if we read Revelation 13:18 it says “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is 666.” Someone that has understanding can look at the simple formula results and realize that if you use a base of 6, by simply starting A with a 6 like this.. A=6, B=12 C=18 D = 24 etc etc…. Then all the 111 names change to 666. SORCERIES = 666, WITCHCRAFT = 666, CORRUPT = 666, SLAUGHTER = 666, MARK OF BEAST = 666. ALIGNING UP WITH SCRIPTURE. Unreal or what? AND BESIDES REVELATION 13;18 BEING OUR REASON FOR STARTING THE LETTER A WITH 6, IT WAS ALREADY BEING USED THAT WAY BECAUSE: (CHECK OUT THESE FACTS)
      The sexagesimal (base-sixty) is a numeral system with sixty as the base. It originated with the ancient Sumerians in the 2000s BC, and was transmitted to the Babylonians. Even today, we still use some of the Sumerian base of 6 or 60 in our circle of 360 degrees, and in our divisions of time (60 minutes in an hour, sixty seconds in a minute, etc.)

      Unlikely patterns and totals adding to 666 and 444 are found involving words from both the New and Old Testament. This means that the Old and New testament without collusion, perfectly coincide And connect like pieces of a puzzle with a Language that was not started until thousands of years later. Proving whatever inspired the writing of the Bible is above and outside of Time.

      444 patterns match up with the old testament and 666 and 444 patterns match up with the new testament. This means that the Old and New testament without collusion, perfectly coincide And connect like pieces of a puzzle with a Language that was not started until thousands of years later. ( Impossible) Without God

      What are the odds of these results happening by pure chance? The calculator doesn’t go that high. I was confused on why LUCIFER added up to 444 until I read Ezekiel in the Old Testament. The old testament calls Lucifer a cherubim and the first chapter of Ezekiel describes a cherubim as 4 creatures with 4 heads and 4 wings. ALIGNING UP WITH SCRIPTURE. Its funny because athiests use the fact of Lucifer adding to 444 as a stumper only to be met with these facts. I refer to a cherubim as a 444 angel. New Evidences aligning up with scripture keep being discovered. Ask meabout the scripture invoving the word simple that came from this.


    I don’t get it. Do they mean they opened the crip and he was not there.
    You see in the 4/29/2011 news video and paper mail clip that he was exsumed from the tomb. It says he is risen! The New york times says;
    “He is Risen” Vatican: Tests confirm tomb is empty.???

    I dont get it has there ever been a claim of any other pope to have been risen to heaven and the tomb to be emepty?

    • I do not know anything about this.

      • Please very, very suspicious of purported miracles…especially sensational things like that!! The Vatican is full of masons and NWO. Pray for the Christians who are in the hierarchy.

        JPII is under a cloud because his best friend was a notorious pedophile (the founder of Legionaires of Christ) and because of the enormous cover-ups of many such people in his papacy. The cause for his quick canonization has stalled….let a long time bring out the truth about him.

        A lot of wickedness happened in those years…financial and otherwise. Time will hopefully open the world to the truth.

  8. Perhaps a thinking soul will begin to understand why this particular ending to Mark was NOT in original manuscripts of Mark, but was added much later, and evidence points to the ones who severely changed the New Testament’s words and wording to include demonic servitude practices which were strictly banned by Creator in Ancient Y’srael. One manifestation of demon possession is exactly this “Wonders and healings” “miracle” we see being an integral part of the demon-tongue, incoherent, wrongly-named “tongues” movement, today. Not a single speaker of this demon language has an inkling of the worship they are giving to Lucifer by their unwitting utterances!

    Mark, a Man well-schooled in the Hebrew Scripture, knew full well that the *TONGUE* gibberish-speak had been banned by Creator, and that daring to speak it would earn the immediate stoning of the speaker. Paul made specific, clear discourse against its practice to Corinthian Believers, for in nearby Island of Delphi, female goddesses in drug-induced stupors spoke this very same language, and male servants wrote their individual interpretations down for paying clients seeking for conception, marketplace success, and fertile fields, among other desires, asked in the name of this goddess, to deliver as a miracle.

    Matthew 24:24 records the true meaning that this particular addition to Mark’s record poses; that of deceiving signs and wonders presented in this Last Day, to deceive the very elect. The entire Charismatic deception was the responsibility of a core group of Illuminati agents whose objective was to infiltrate the Believers’ groups in the 60s with a false baptism and the sign of its authenticity by a “miracle” sign of speaking in this praise of Lucifer gibberish tongue, imparted to those the demons would enter, if only the initiate proved sincere enough.

    How many gibberish tongue speakers here can say without any remorse, that they were uninformed that their baptism included a sign of speaking a gibberish “miracle” tongue? Right- NOBODY!

    This fact ensures that this “miracle’ is a false, deceiving sign, in that it was given as a reward to “prove” the initiate was truly sincere, and was then caused to speak this horrendous, mind-dumbing spook-speak. JUST AS IT HAD BEEN DONE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE!

    Creator warned us! Disciple Matthew’s faithful record is not capable of being altered! And, with every day passing, the fall of the Charismatically-divided Believers’ church is more evident! Long live deception!

    Nobama is a man appointed by the same Illuminati that used the demon Charismatic gibberish tongue anointing to fracture, confuse, and destroy the Believer-body. It is his task, now, to draw the fools’ attention to himself, as his masters perform complete gutting of the Believers’ final power to resist Lucifer’s assassination of their body, and proceeds to the real objective, to dehumanate Planet Earth, and thereby gain control of the Kingdom of Heaven, Lucifer’s life-long objective. We see this in Y’shuah’s revelation of Believer’s word being the same on earth as it is in Heaven. Lucifer wants no human to utter a single word that matches that word in Heaven, for breaking this vital tie establishes the kingdom of evil Lucifer is determined to achieve!

    So, speak-on ye who unknowingly promote Lucifer! Do your damnededst to order signs and wonders in the holy name of you”Jesus,” for in that twin idol’s name ye must speak, and give out words of “knowledge,” that APPEAR to be from Creator, Himself!

    • dear Claude

      tongues and the interpretation of tongues as a gift of the holy spirit is mentioned in several places in the scriptures: Acts, Corinthians, etc.

      The gifts of the holy spirit are given with evidence of good fruit: love , joy peace, long suffering, kindness, etc.

      the counterfeit you mention cannot bear good fruit.

    • Hi Claude,

      The speaking in tongues was strictly confined to believers in their attempts to edify the early church (by the power of the Holy Spirit), so that those who came from foreign lands, were all of one accord in proclaiming the gospel message in their respective launguages. You are quite right that gibberish served the very opposite to the purpose of edification, and was not of the Holy Spirit. Gibberish was considered to be a profane act, and we witness these very profane acts of gibberish in many churches today. As for the Corinthian church (which possibly had the most Spirit gifts), it was also guilty of the most serious backslidings!

      A very Happy New Year to all, and may this coming year be the year of our Lord’s return.


    usa and Illuminati

  10. Just like Israel – America has entered into her apostasy and judgment.
    Jesus Christ came to Israel but most of the so called believers were Pharisee, and Sadducee – the system’s had taken their faith over and they just become a political movement of ritual and gatherings worshipping their Temple more than the God that was in the Temple.
    Luke 4:21-24 The Bible says that Jesus could not do any miracles around His own country and that a prophet had no honor in his own country. Now real Prophets have “Thus saith the Lord” their is no grey area in that.
    God has sent us many a great prophet in the last Century just to get ignored by the multitudes of organized systems unbelief in the bible.
    William Branham who was a major prophet left us 1,100 tapes to listen to knowing how it would be. His ministry was filled with miracle after miracle, raising the dead, Discerning the thoughts and intents of the hearts to hundreds of thousands of people without never being wrong in his discernment. But how many people have ever heard of him. He sent over a million converts to the Assemblies of God church’s and they quit fellowshipping with him cause he baptized in Jesus name. Instead of Father, Son. and Holy Ghost.
    Jesus could not do miracles etc. when he was surrounded and being taunted by unbelievers. Judgement fell on all of Israel except for the very few remnant and Israel was destroyed until God raised her back up again in 1948. The “Coming of Messiah” ended an age.
    But in the true church the little flock still raises the Dead again – called the NEW BIRTH. They can drink the deadly snake poison of the multitudes of many false doctrines of the modern church’s and it not hurt them, They can lay hands on the sick and recover from the worst sin there is called un-belief. Revelation of the Mystery of Christ is known to them Matt. 13:11-12 – Faith is the “Revelation of Jesus Christ” the mystery of the Bride Body incarnate today.
    Israel had the Word in their midst for centuries and wrote it over and over again. And Missed Jesus Christ when He appeared. Its the same in America. More teachers and theologians in all of history and yet. Cannot understand the simple things of the bible.
    The Laodicean church is content with being rich, complacent and having need of nothing yet like Israel so blind, and Naked and don’t even know it.
    Prosperity the American Gospel way has killed many a Christians faith. We have been diverted to another gospel. And people just cannot get Desperate enough for God to use us in a mighty way anymore.
    Tribulation and Sufferings always bring out the best in believers. Look at the book of Acts. Listen to Apostle Pauls testimony etc. etc, etc.
    Jesus learned “Obedience” through the things HE SUFFERED yet without sin. We must all go through the wilderness and then take over the walled cities of the fierce enemy of your soul before we will ever get into the Promised land that God has Promised us. Apostle Paul said take Israel for our example – their example was they failed the test in the Wilderness and died. Always wanting more, and easier trials etc. Yet God supplied all their needs. They was unthankful, murmured all the time, and went against their own Prophet that God had sent them. And they are examples of what not to be as a believer. Hello out their. God bless you all – Bro. York

    • hi tom

      very true about america…and really the whole word is like this now.

      we must strive to belong to the faithful remnant.

    • My Church, Catholic, overemphasizes physical suffering in writings and the lives of saints….combined with a life of money and comfort, I call it “The lasagna press”.

      The best teachers, however, say that giving up free choice in faith is what God wants. There are jokes about “holy people” fasting, writing checks, beating themselves…..then humiliating their mother or some underling when their coffee isn’t perfect. I think Paul’s words in Thessalonians sum up all this: “The just shall live by faith”. This means God leads us to perfection through life experiences, through the duties of our daily life.

      At 64 I’ve observed a lot. I believe that God sends everyone an opportunity…a blessing…to be noble. It may be in battle, or in money and support, or raising an unexpected child (perhaps someone else’s). It may be working so hard to take care of a family, you can’t go to Church. This is mine. My priest told me it was sent from God, quoting those words of Paul….because I have no choice and have my duty.

      I’ve known some who deeply hurt children, who stole money, who ignore parents….for religion, all for religion. (Corban in the Gospels). The German people were too proud to trust God in their serious troubles after World War I…and voted in a “savior”, a mere man…and what a mere man!!

      The old word, “suffer” means to put up with everything without complaining. It means even having a willing spirit…going the extra mile when life forces us to go the first one. It is almost a pleasure for the humble, for they see God’s hand of mercy. The proud resist…they want to choose, to dictate the terms. It’s better to smile and say, “Have it Your way, Jesus.”

      Shakespeare wrote of this in “King Lear”…there is no greater love, blessing, and religious experiences than one’s duty. All else is sentiment…including those lectures in religious writings. I think “Lear” is one of the greatest Christian writings ever.

      Happy New year, everybody!!!!

  11. Is Television news full of subliminal stuff to make people nervous and paranoid?

    Aside from a few shows like Coast Guard Alaska and ICarly for my grandchildren, I get a huge thrill out of UNPLUGGING them .

    Here’s a sign and wonder….my electric bill was $67 in October…no dryer and unplugged TVs all night. I feel God’s smile.

  12. Marianne,

    I have wondered a lot on Faith for healings and casting out devils and so on…I have come to the conclusion after research Jesus said Belivers = plural. period. we in in the modern church think Faith and walking in these things are supposed to operate for individuals on their own are the norm and they are not, that being said there are those who can, but the rule that Jesus himself laid down and the Apostles back with several scriptures are groups flowing together. a side note here (God expects us to come to consensus on issues not just a single individuals making the decisions all of the time.)

    there is a church in Tulsa OK. of which I don’t attend that is called Tulsa christian fellowship… they have seven elders and no head pastor and the same individual does not preach every Sunday and then on Wednesdays they go to houses and do house church…any back to the subject when the disciples could not cast the demon out of an individual they said “we could not” in the book of James it says call for the Elders (plural again)
    another place in 1st cor 12 Paul talks about the body having need of each other…now God does work thru Individuals who are heads of ministries, he works with what he can but his will is clear in scripture that i meetings each can prophecy one by one and so on…in every instance of the great commission the words these signs will follow those = (plural)
    again they = (plural) will cast out devils….. Strong body life with other believers will equal signs following.

    • hi byron

      That is a valid point.

      Too many times, believers leave all the “anointing” up to one person, and they sit back and do nothing but watch.

      When I have seen miraculous healings, it was in a corporate atmosphere, where one person may have been on the stage, but it was the faith of the entire crowd that was present that created the atmosphere of faith.

  13. I am ashamed to say I thought this was a simple conversation until I went to write something here and realized why you choose this study.

    Healing is alot like Peter walking on the water! If the one walking who is Peter and he hath not faith he starts to go down and then under. Right?

    So I can have all faith and pray but if you believe not you block that healing from occuring. So when you pray you must have faith in believing, unless then you are not there, can a non believing mind block faith.

    What I feel takes place in most cases is the enemy speaks to the mind of the beleiver and tells him/her that he/she is unworthy. Of course this is a lie if you are believer as evidenced by your name. If you took his name and you are barried with him then you are his. Paul said; there is no sin for him, as we are not under law. Faith is a head game, you believe or you do not. It is alot like those pictures we had and hung on the wall and if you were able to adjust your eyes enough you could see a different image than the top image but you had to believe you could see in order to see. Faith is much like this.

    To me here is the issue in my opinion, beleivers are critical and also skeptical peoples. Their faith is blocked or bottleled up and when it is broken out is like wine that is spelled and can never be put back into the bottle. Once out there it is. The issue is getting it out.

    If you are raised with this in your home then you think nothing of healings and miracles as you have seen them your whole life and it is more the common norm, than not. But for some who find hope and faith in the LORD as an adult it is harder to break the wineskin of hope that the blood of his healing of stripes and blood flow forth. As he is always with us, he is in us. Him in us is the greatness of him. When he prayed in the garden, he prayed until great sweat drops of blood came forth from him. Many when they pray think they don’t need to pray ferverantly to reach God, do you think that is true?

    When I pray I expect and then I receive. When I prayed for my granddaughter the other day, my faith was tested in 10 minutes she was not up I prayed again. God said his people are persistant people. When I went back and touched that head and the fever still burning and her still sick, I prayed again and it was rebuked and could not hold. I was not accepting no for an answer. It was my grand baby, precious without age of understanding. When I prayed for my brother couple weeks ago with the church, we had no blocking spirits of his illness of two years to resist us nor did we have mental thoughts that he deserved to be sick. I AM sorry but I pray for the unsaved as often as is necessary and I expect them to be healed. In these cases God took care of it, but my mind was set on their healing.

    Some are afflicted and don’t want to be healed. An example of this was my Mom. My Dad had been dead about 12 years before and she grieving and asking God to take her home. He finally did but only after he made my Mom to ask me if I would release her. See God is so good that when something that is sickness or tragic and it has an impact on others connected to that person he considers all things. God knew I was at the beginning of a long trial and that she would be invaluable to me.

    Others (again speaking of believers) maybe detained in their healing because they are not emotionally ready to give up their sickness or handicap. Another might be so dependent upon that if they are set free from the sickness the overhead of the family would be jeapordized. Some who are ill maybe ill out of God’s mercy of another prayer, ie social security providing income.

    God is not a puzzle or tricker of words. He is straight forward and full of love, as we all know. Our minds so complex but yet at times without the ability to do something so simple as to receive our own healing. I say in these cases we are rejecting the healing and mau not be aware of why? But the second you doubt you start to be like Peter and you sink? I have seen for some that their sickness birthed forth great ministries, or that God uses these times to bring forth other issues out of them, ie his plan of good. I know God does not seek to hinder us, but if we are hindered he uses that hinderance to bring forth plans of good in our life. This is not a shame issue either, Apostle Peter was oppressed/sifted by satan and Apostle Paul was given a thorn in the side. So in those cases are they sick or is it their (cross) ministry. He said to us take up your cross and follow me?

    My baby sister who was born and died and God brought her back to life when my Dad went to the chapel in the hospital and prayed for her. She came back to life and caused a young black nurse to turn white as she was on her way to the hospital morgue with her. She now at about 50 years is struggling against the enemy with a brain tumor. First they said it was in her head, her breast, her back and her kidneys. We keep praying against it and now we are down to paying against the enemy regarding her head, you know God has already healed the head. When the report comes back she will be made well.

    I saw this same baby sister go into convulsions at maybe 3 or 4 years of age. I was maybe 8 years or so of age. My Mom, with my eldest sister and two brothers looking on watched our Mom by herself lay hands on my baby sister. She prayed the prayer of faith and God answered right away healing her.

    It does not matter if it is one person or twenty elders, he gave us power when we were born again and using our power in faith we reach the thrown room and God answers with love our petitions.

    I would say when we are oppressed at a time of tribulation and we are praying/fasting and doing the required to be set free of the enemy that these times cause our faith to be stretched into a tent. I think that tent becomes a place of prayer, it is much a like the prayer shawl. It is a place that the savior enters but the serpant can not. God moves us to a stage in our life of being great prayer warriors for him and with a sense of feelings for others who enter the phase of oppression behinds us we are able to help assist them in being set free. God can use us in the same ways with sickness or any afflicting things.

    Sometimes on the way to seeing the revelations of our prayers for the salvation of young ones, we see temporary inconvience in their lives. They may have to serve a couple of months in jail or they may have to be separated in some way from their partying. God’s ways are not our ways but if we pray and we believe fully and convinced he will act and when he does the route might not be our rather but it is the means of salvation.

    To me at this time a prayer for salvation of others is more required than any other prayer. Pleading his blood over your children, spouse or sibblings or neieces and nephews that are not saved is more critical now than ever.

    Also not all unanswered prayers are necessarily caused by unbelief, to the contrary. I think it is having more faith in the fact that one is unworthy or that we have a greater need to hold on to the sickness. So if I pray but in my mind have a need to hold on to my sickness instead of being healed as it supplies my needs. Will God then heal you? I think out of love he will not and you can not be double minded and expect to recieve. I think many don’t realize this as a cause of unanswered prayer. I say this because he said when preaching if you say to the mountain to be removed, it will be removed.

    • This is a terrific essay, pattiefarm….I feel the Spirit in it.

      I have a book you would love…down your alley. It is “Our Thoughts Determine Our Lives” by Elder Thaddeus, an Orthodox monk. It’s available online…also interviews with him on Youtube. He writes simply and tells many stories from life…helped many people in his long life.

      Everything begins with thoughts. St. Seraphim said the whole purpose of our life is to receive the Holy Spirit….period. People came from all over Russia to Sarov to meet him…all sorts of people….good, bad, poor, rich, believers, atheists. He saw the life energy of God in every person and greeted them with the same words, “MY JOY!!!”….

      You would love Elder Thaddeus.

  14. I feel impressed to write another recording and it is more structured toward
    Janurary 26th 2012.

    I see these things as issues that all believers should pray about in the next days. They seem to point to a time of crossroads?


    January 26th is the next meeting date after all docs for the Palestina issue
    are due to the UN and it would appear some time around that date a decision will be hand down with direction.

    Mit Romney came out on the 12-26 saying that he will keep all gays in the military?


    The highest Jewish Rabbi leader on death bed named Yitzchak Kaduri who ddied in 2006 said he spoke with the Messiah and that he revealed to him that his name is Jesus Christ!! Not news for most, but many do not know that he also said that is return will be with the death of Ariel Sharon.

    Recent reports say he is not well but not sure what that means for someone who has been in a coma for so many years?


    The popes health is failing, he is 85. I read in some place that he is healthy for his age. The issue is the Pope Malachy writing from 1139 AD, according to him this next pope will be the Anti-christ and last pope.

    Some say according to the written words of Revelations interprets that Pope
    John paul II will return to earth from death. It will be more than likely at the time of the witnesses.

    Revelation 17:10-11 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet to come; but when he does come, he must remain for alittle while. (11) The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

    When looking you find that five were king and pope and also the same for John Paul and the current pope. This would be a total of seven making number eight the next pope.

    Middle East

    All countries are in distress and Iran wants to take us down and stop the oil from getting out and potentially we will be looking at $5.00 a gallon for fuel what is new? 2012 seems ear marked for issues….

    There seems to be so much information shouting that he is coming soon! I know it is not a popular thing to write about but on new years eve it is something to pray about.

    Happy News to everyon

  15. Deanna

    I am a Auditor and writer for Quality when I work. But I fine what ever God gave us to do is a gift or a talent. When I write it is always from my heart, sometimes good and sometimes maybe not so.

    I feel burdened or something very strong in my spirit, like we are waiting for a shoe to drop.

    God just wants us all to be saved and the thing we know for certain is the Anti-christ will try and divide us and to destroy us by whatever means. I pray for people who are under demonic attack.

    I am praying and hoping that our wings are not on the beast because we walk away from the nations that make up the Anti-christ union.

    Having been attacked by the enemy and freely God healing and saving me, I try to share what I can to help others. Most of praying and warring against the demonic forces is not done on this site. But studying the Bible on this site with the way Marianne structures studies is not only enjoyable but benefical in continuing learning and she is one of the sweetest people I have met electronically.

    Be blessed with a Happy News Years

  16. Deanna

    I realize now that you are Catholic like my daughter and son in law. Do you know about Pope Malachy’s prophesy? Do you know if they contributed this prophesy to the scriptures in Revelations sited above. I know my son in law and daughter do not know the answer.

    Does this prophesy mean anything to you? I have a son who is orthodoxy and so is his fiance they both are Doctors and very bright but are blind regarding coming prophesies. I spoke to them about these issues when they were home at Christmas and I think for my son the light came back on to remember things from his grandfathers church.

    My son so moral and waited so long to marry a girl like him who never gave themselves before to others and now the end. They are at a time where a man and a woman live on love, forget food. I hope God gives them all before the end but I don’t truly know if that is possible and I feel for them.

    I don’t care what faith any man is, God loves all of us!! Alot of people on all sides don’t get that part. They seem to think that Gods coming is for some formal religion instead of the inside of the cup of man.

    I am going to look up that writer, my son has spoken of him. Does he have insight to the end of time and the last days coming.

    Be blessed Pattie

  17. St. Malachi’s prophecy is online. For centuries it has been predicted that the Catholic Church would rot from the top, that cynical non-believers would run it. The problem with these dreams and visions is knowing what is a symbol, what is physical fact.

    If you want a good head-clearing look up the Catechism of Pius X….it is on several sites, though never popular in America where the Church felt threatened. St. Pius X agreed with you…all are saved through Jesus, through the truths of Christ….but may only have a nameless longing and resolve to live a good life. Of course, we who KNOW have a greater responsibility….especially to be compassionate.

    Your children sound cool…I bet you have great conversations at your house!!

  18. what the church should look like



  20. Near the end of this clip Jesus makes one of the most powerful claims He ever made, exclaiming: “I and My Father are One and the Same!” (see John 10:30) Some say that Jesus is not actually claiming to be God by this statement, but rather that His will was in alignment with God’s will, and in that way They were the Same. This is a lie.

    The Jews of Jesus’ day knew exactly what Jesus was claiming: He was claiming to be God. As it is written:

    Jesus said: “”I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”” -John 10:30-33

    • hi Gavriel

      The movie added some words that Jesus did not really say.

      Actually, Jesus did not say “the Same.” He just said he and the father were One. He further explains that this oneness means he is in the father and the father is in him (john 14: 1911). He continues by saying that we will be in him and he will be in us. (john 14:20), as he is in he Father.

      The entire book of John explains the relationship that jesus had with the father, who is portrayed as a separate identity from Jesus, yet united in spirit.
      When Jesus speaks of him and the Father, he says “us” and “we.”

      • Jesus said “before Abraham I Am”, and do you know how would it sound in hebrew? “Lifnei Avraham ani YHWH” actually Jesus claiming that He is YHWH, he also said “I (=YHWH) said that you are Elohim (godlike), but shall die as one of the humankind”…Jews didn’t persecute Jesus for him claiming himself Messiah, but for claiming HIMSELF of being YHWH!

        • But jesus did not say that….he said before abraham , I am…..

          not before abraham , I am YHVH…….

          I am… just ani..

          ani marianne…but I am not marianne YHVH

          • “ani” is just “i” not “i am”

            “i am” in present tense in hebrew is “yhwh”, as in “eheyeh asher eyeheh” – “i will be what i will be” in future tense, from root “hayah”; why Jesus didn’t say “before Abraham I was”, but “i am”?

            • gavriel

              I never heard that before….the first thing i learned when taking hebrew was that ani was “I am”…..

              you are saying if I want to say “I am marianne,” I have to say ani YHVH marianne……

              when god appeared to Moses, and was asked his name, he responded in the future tense, “I will be as I will be”. “eheyeh asher eyeheh”

              The term / name YHVH was not in the text.

              I do understand that Jesus was indicating his everlasting nature by indicating he existed before Abraham, but, according to the english and greek versions of the passage the movie quoted incorrectly, he did not use the word YHVH in his sentence. The only way to know what he really said would have been to have a hebrew or aramaic text.

              I am not sure why he would use the present tense, I am…..if he wanted to say he was god, he should have said, I was, I am and I will always be.

              • “he should have said, I was, I am and I will always be.”

                hmmm…He says that it Book of Revelations…

                Jesus said it in present tense, “i am” as in case of “to be” “to exist”, if he’d say it in past tense it would sound as “haiti”, but He used present tense which gave his sentence double meaning…

                Anyway, how do you explain that he used present tense when it would be correct to use past tense?


                Jesus said, “For if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.” (Jn 8:24. LITV)

                “In each of these verses [Jn 8:24,58; 13:19; 18:5-6] a particular Greek phrase appears … ego eimi … `I am He.’ The fact that the word `He’ is italicized … means the word itself is not found in the Greek”:

                “John’s literary artistry was not limited to the prologue of his Gospel, nor was it confined to the direct assertion of the deity of Christ through calling Him `God’ (1:1; 20:28). He found subtle ways of teaching this truth as well. One method that John presented … is found in Jesus’ use of the phrase I am. Look at these passages from the gospel of John: `Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins’ (John 8:24). Jesus said to them, `Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am’ (John 8:58). `From now on I am telling you before it comes to pass, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am He’ (John 13:19). They answered Him, `Jesus the Nazarene.’ He said to them, `I am He.’ And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them. So when He said to them, `I am He,’ they drew back and fell to the ground. (John 18:5-6). In each of these verses a particular Greek phrase appears … ego eimi … The New American Standard Bible renders this Greek phrase as `I am He.’ The fact that the word `He’ is italicized is very important, for this means the word itself is not found in the Greek and is being supplied by the translators in an effort to smooth out an awkward English phrase. John makes sure, through the use of context, that we do not miss the point he is making by recording these words of Jesus.” (White, 1998, pp.95-96).

                “`… I am’ without supplying a predicate in the absolute sense as the Jews (Deut. 32:39) used the language of Jehovah (cf. Isa. 43:10 …). … Jesus seems to claim absolute divine being as in 8:58”:

                “[Jn 8:24]. For except ye believe (ean gar me pisteusete). Negative condition of third class with ean me and ingressive aorist active subjunctive of pisteuo, `For unless ye come to believe.’ That I am he (hoti ego eimi). Indirect discourse, but with no word in the predicate after the copula eimi. Jesus can mean … `that I am’ without supplying a predicate in the absolute sense as the Jews (Deut. 32:39) used the language of Jehovah (cf. Isa. 43:10 where the very words occur hina pisteusete – hoti ego eimi). The phrase ego eimi occurs three times here (8:24, 28, 58) and also in 13:19. Jesus seems to claim absolute divine being as in 8:58.” (Robertson, A.T., 1932, “Word Pictures in the New Testament: Volume V: The Fourth Gospel & the Epistle to the Hebrews,” Broadman Press: Nashville TN, p.146. Emphasis original).

                “With astonishing frequency … Jesus is identified as the Lord (that is, YHWH) of the Old Testament … He is …the one who says `I am’ … (John 8:24, 28, 58):

                “With astonishing frequency-far more often than even many scholars have noticed-Jesus is identified as the Lord (that is, YHWH) of the Old Testament (Rom. 10:9-13; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:9-11; 1 Peter 3:13-15). He is the King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev. 17:14; 19:16), the divine Savior (Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:11), the one who says `I am’ or `I am he’ (John 8:24, 28, 58), the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega, and the beginning and the end (Rev. 1:7-8, 17b-18; 2:8; 22:12-13). The New Testament repeatedly and in a variety of ways makes the name of Jesus the center of Christian faith; he has the name that is above every name (Eph. 1:21; Phil. 2:9-11; Col. 3:17).” (Bowman Komoszewski, 2007, pp.272-273).

                “Thus we read in John 8:24: `… Except ye believe that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins.’ …The use of these words is reminiscent of the divine utterances occurring in the Old Testament; for instance, `I am that I am’ (Ex. 3:14) ; or `See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no God with me’ (Deut. 32:39)”:

                Jesus said to them, `Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came to be, I AM!'” (Jn 8:58. LITV)

                “In actuality the phrase I am is an assertion of absolute, timeless existence”:

                “[Jn 8] The reply of Jesus is strange. Literally it reads: `Before Abraham came into being, I am’ (58). The same contrast of verbs is used that appears in 1:1 and 1:14. `Came into being’ involves a crisis in time, a definite act. `Am,’ like the other form of the same verb in 1:1, means timeless being. There never was a time when the Son was not. He could always assert, `I am.’ Three times in this context I am is used in the absolute sense: in verse 24, `Except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins’; in verse 28, `When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he’; and in verse 58, `Before Abraham was born, I am.’ In no one of these passages does the third personal pronoun he follow the I am in the Greek text. The italicized form shows that it has been inserted by the translators to complete the meaning in English. In actuality the phrase I am is an assertion of absolute, timeless existence, not merely of a personal identity as the English equivalent would suggest.” (Tenney, M.C., 1976, “John: The Gospel of Belief: An Analytic Study of the Text,” [1948], Eerdmans: Grand Rapids MI, Second edition, pp.149-150. Emphasis original).

                “… `before Abraham came into existence or was born.’ I am (ego eimi). Undoubtedly here Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God”:

                “[Jn 8:58] Before Abraham was (prin Abraam genesthai). Usual idiom with prin in positive sentence with infinitive (second aorist middle of ginomai) and the accusative of general reference, `before coming as to Abraham,’ `before Abraham came into existence or was born.’ I am (ego eimi). Undoubtedly here Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God. The contrast between genesthai (entrance into existence of Abraham) and eimi (timeless being) is complete. See the same contrast between en in 1:1 and egeneto in 1:14. See the contrast also in Psa. 90:2 between God (ei, art) and the mountains (genethenai). See the same use of eimi in John 6:20; 9:9; 8:24, 28; 18:6.” (Robertson, 1932, pp.158-159. Emphasis original).

                “Perhaps the strongest claim Jesus made to be Yahweh is in John 8:58, where he says, `Before Abraham was, I am.’ This statement claims not only existence before Abraham, but equality with the `I AM’ of Exodus 3:14”:

                “Jesus Claimed to Be Yahweh. Yahweh (YHWH; sometimes appearing in English translations as `Jehovah’ or in small capital letters as `LORD’) is the special name given by God for himself in the Old Testament. It is the name revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14, when God said, `I AM WHO I AM.’ … Jesus claimed to be Yahweh. He prayed, `And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was’ (John 17:5). But Yahweh of the Old Testament said, `my glory will I not give to another’ (Isa. 42:8). Jesus also declared, `I am the first and the last’ (Rev. 1:17)- precisely the words used by Jehovah in Isaiah 42:8. He said, `I am the good shepherd’ (John 10:11), but the Old Testament said, `Yahweh is my shepherd’ (Ps. 23:1). Further, Jesus claimed to be the judge of all people (Matt. 25:31f.; John 5:27f.), but Joel quotes Jehovah as saying, `for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side’ (Joel 3:12). Likewise, Jesus spoke of himself as the `bridegroom’ (Matt. 25:1) while the Old Testament identifies Jehovah in this way (Isa. 62:5; Hos. 2:16). While the Psalmist declares, `The LORD is my light’ (Ps. 27:1), Jesus said, `I am the light of the world’ (John 8:12). Perhaps the strongest claim Jesus made to be Yahweh is in John 8:58, where he says, `Before Abraham was, I am.’ This statement claims not only existence before Abraham, but equality with the `I AM’ of Exodus 3:14. The Jews around him clearly understood his meaning and picked up stones to kill him for blaspheming (cf. John 8:58 and 10:31-33). The same claim is made in Mark 14:62 and John 18:5-6.” (Geisler, N.L., 1999, “Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics,” Baker Books: Grand Rapids MI, p.129. Emphasis original).

                • “[Jn 8:58]. … Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ … The words ‘I am’ (ego eimi) are used in a number of different ways on the lips of Jesus in the Fourth Gospel … Here they are clearly used in an absolute sense representing the divine name. Thus when Jesus said to `the Jews’, `before Abraham was born, I am’, he was identifying himself with God. …[Jn 8:59]. Jesus’ opponents understood the implications of what he said, and because they did not believe in him it appeared to them as blasphemy of the worst sort. The evangelist says, At this, they picked up stones to stone him. Stoning was the penalty for blasphemy prescribed in the OT (Lv. 24:14-16, 23; cf. 1 Ki. 21:13-14.). In terms of the law they would have been right to stone him, i.e. unless Jesus was who he claimed to be. Later on ‘the Jews’ made another attempt to stone Jesus, this time stating explicitly that they were doing so because they were convinced he was a blasphemer (10:31-33). ” (Kruse, C.G., 2003, “The Gospel According to St. John: An Introduction and Commentary,” The Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, Inter-Varsity Press: Leicester UK, pp.218-219. Emphasis original).

                  • that was too much information….and with too much repetition.

                    so you are saying that I + am = ani + YHVH

                    and if I said I am marianne…

                    in hebrew , it would be ani YHVH marianne

                    • oy vey…if you’d like to translate “ani YHVH marianne” into english it would be as “I am BEING marianne”, that’s why Israelis do NOT use the verb “to be” in present tense and that’s right – simply omit it, because “I am,,,being (teacher for instance)” would require to use the present tense of “to be” i.e. “YHWH” which is unacceptable….

                    • continue at BOTTOM

                • What is this about here? The Trinity is the bedrock Christian doctrine. All Baptism is in the name of the Holy Trinity…not just Jesus…same for marriage, etc…the whole kaboodle.

                  This is already assumed on a Christian site, right???

  21. May I suggest the great invocation of the Trinity By St. Patrick…called the Lorica. It will send chills down your spine if you read it outloud.

    The Holy Trinity of three persons in One God is the essence of Christianity, the very defining teaching.

  22. I’ve done the donkey work and this is the complete translation of the Lorica…there are bowlderized versions on the net for new agers


  23. It is also called St. Patrick’s Breastplate after words from St. Paul.

    Say it over your TV set

  24. Marianne, Deanna and Gavriel

    I agree with Gavriel you that Jesus Chirst is both, Father and Son and he is the Holy Ghost. He is also the Lilly of the Valley the bright and morning star and the one I love the most, “I am” and another 200 plus titles. When you go to any Jesus Christ accepting believer with Jewish roots that speaks hebrew and understands they interpret the Hebrew to say and mean exactly as you have spoken in the Hebrew translation.

    I find the simplest way to explain the difference between Jesus Christ and the trinity. We are told in Acts 2:38 to Baptizes in his name. This is told to
    us by Peter. Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom of Heaven to Peter.

    If I marry the King will my name Patricia King or the kings last name. I also
    know that we are getting new names. This sentence is for the purpose of demonstration.

    The reference to the holy trinity is a reference to title, no different than
    Mrs., Ms, Mr, Mom, Dad, The Rock.

    The word says in Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will either hate one and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You Can not serve God and riches.

    Please tell me why you think you would marry Jesus Christ and you would be nothing to God. Jesus Christ was there in the Beginning and he will be there in the end.

    You did not put to much proof as there is so much proof it is met to hit someone in the head. The titles were used prior to Acts as Jesus Christ was still alive. He paid the price! As the Lord said to Peter only God reveals some things.

    I hope this helps.

    • Sorry…I don’t understand all this. I believe in One God in Three distinct persons…the template for the creation of man’s soul…man, woman, Holy Ghost.

      The marriage of the soul to Christ is the crown of our redemption. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and never claimed to be the Heavenly father! otherwise, He was a doddering lunatic, talking to Himself all day!

  25. Marianne
    As you can see, I was not the first, nor will Gavriel be the last to argue this point with you. The only reason why we are so Adamant about this is what it says in John 8:24, as Gavriel quoted above. This is not us being contentious, but rather our concern for you, and your soul. This IS the testimony of Jesus that we are to “hold to”. This is what we MUST believe in order to be saved. This is what differentiates a True Christian from the Goats. This is the Bridegroom that we MUST submit to. There is no “heaven awaiting” those who do not believe that Jesus is Yahweh.

    I would also add to the mix of verses, 1 Timothy 3:16 where it clearly states that “He (Yahweh) came in the flesh…”.

    As I have said many times, it is not about me being right, it is about US getting it right. This is one of those uncompromisable Truths, with a capital “T”.

    Imagine That Marianne, Here you have a catholic, a Hebrew, a Baptist, and I am not sure what “denomination” Pattie belongs to, Standing together and holding to the testimony of Jesus. Yes the Godhead is difficult to understand in its complexity, but it is also so simple that even a child can understand it. Jesus is Yahweh, Not some “Lesser Yahweh”, Or “Metatron”. These are What Paul was referring to in 1 Timothy 4:1-2.

    I said once to you, how will you respond when Elijah comes speaking with Authority from God. Well here it is, any of us who have the Holy Spirit have the Spirit of Elijah, The Spirit of Truth. And on this point of contention we are one. Perfectly one. For in Christ, there is neither Jew nor gentile, slave nor free, man nor woman….[baptist nor catholic] etc. All who have the Holy Spirit, have the Spirit of Elijah. It is Only as one that he can speak.

    Immanuel, God is with us, will you submit to him, or will you “crucify” him again, as you have done with others on this site, including my former name “dru”? You see, you are not persecuting us, so much as you are persecuting Christ himself, Just as he Told Saul, (Aka Paul) when he appeared to him on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:1-9). Yeah, I know “electronic persecution” is nothing compared to physical persecution. But it is persecution nonetheless. And it usually leads to more of the same, Kind of like drug addiction. Such is the nature of accusation, it gives us a high by building up our ego. Ego, is the part of us that refuses to submit to the will of Yahweh, but rather places itself on the pedestal meant for Jesus. I am guilty of this, as we ALL are. You Either serve God, or yourself, this is the “Adversary” the OT spoke of. Our will versus God’s will??

    May Yahweh’s will be done on earth, as it is in heaven…In Yeshua’s name I Pray.

    • the discussion with gavriel has to do with the meaning of hebrew words…….NOT theology.

      my soul is fine

      he was saying that “ani” meant ” I.”

      and YHVH meant “AM”

    • “Beloved”,

      I find it ironic, for me, as for former anti-Christian Orthodox Jew, to argue with Gentile Christians that Jesus Christ is not simply “annointed jewish messiah” (all jewish kings, priests and prophets fit that definition) or some “christian propaganda”, but rather OUR CREATOR!

      I studied Torah in both hebrew and aramaic and also PESHITTA (aramaic new testament) along with Jewish Talmud and Kabbalah, and strangely agree with Apostle Paul and with all original Church Fathers…

  26. hi Gavriel

    so the word YHVH just means “being?”

    I guess the hebrew language is more complex than I was taught.

    I understand what yeshua was trying to say, I was just being literal about what the movie said, as compared to what is recorded in the bible.

  27. Beloved

    I stand with your adding, and I am apostalic Pentcostal. Not that I think
    God is about a denomination. We know he is about our accepting what he
    gave to us not about what we added as traditions of men. This is how everyone becomes so confused, people stand at pulpit and teach traditions.

    We are told we can believe a lie and be damned. It is not us but about him
    and our accepting him and what he did.

    Be blessed Sister Pattie

  28. hi Marianne,
    I posted a comment in one of your other posts about receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I shared with you that I had received the Spirit and began to speak in tongues back in July. It’s been 3 months since this happened and I have thoroughly enjoyed the presence of the Spirit in my quiet time as I prayed in tongues, wept before the Lord and felt His overwhelming assurance of how much He loves me for who I am. I attend a church that does not necessarily emphasis this passage in Mark, I actually only know of 3-4 others in my church who pray in tongues and pray in expectation of miracles. Yet this is a passage that continues to tug at my heart similar to how I think you felt convicted. I wrestle with how to practice and exercise the power of the Holy Spirit through me or I guess how to start? Is it unbalanced to seek signs & wonders as a sign of true faith? What about loving your neighbor, this Jesus said is one of the two greatest commandments. Surly I can love God and love my neighbor without miracles. Surly I can carry my cross daily without miracles. Surly I can bare good fruit without miracles. I struggle with this since these are the disciplines that I was always taught to pursue as a maturing Christian. I too would love to witness the power of the Holy Spirit and I’m beginning to understand the purpose of signs & wonders in our witness. 1 John 3, 4 & 5 outlines some key characteristics of how we know someone is a believer. It says if we love one another, obey His commandments and believe Jesus is the Christ. Isn’t it dangerous to suggest that one is not believer if no miracles occur through someone? I agree that there is more power to our witness when miracles accompany the gospel. I suppose I’m uncomfortable seeking after miracles alone without love. I’m sure there is some part of me that has unbelief, this I pray for help to overcome.

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