Real Church


The modern church does not compare to the early one.


Repentance and baptism preached

Acts 2: 38

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Signs and wonders, sharing, daily communion of saints, church growth daily event

Acts 2: 43-47

And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.


People sold what they had to help others, everyone was financially equal

Acts 4: 34-35

Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.


True signs and wonders, and healings

Acts 5: 12, 15

And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch.

Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.


Widows were cared for DAILY

Acts 6: 1-2

And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration

Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.


Baptism of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues

Acts 10: 44-46

While Peter yet spoke these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost

For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.


Members give true prophesies of things to come

Acts 11:28

And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.


Intercessory prayer- without ceasing!

Acts 12: 5

Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.


Leaders refuse to be honored and hero worshipped

Acts 14: 14-15

Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:


Marianne’s thoughts

The church described here is the one I want to belong to.

But I cannot find it.

Many are searching for the same thing, and are disappointed.

Church is not 3 songs and a sermon on Sunday.

Church is not the prosperity gospel, where the only one prospering is the one who gets paid to preach it.

It was never meant to be a social club, dividing the rich from the poor.

The church here is to be found inside of us.

It can start with us, and grow from there.

The kingdom of God is within us.

We have to share the light with others.

Once our hearts are true, our lives will reflect the same values and activities the early church demonstrated.

The poor will be helped. The sick will be healed. The Holy Spirit will be poured out.

Everyone will share. People will fellowship daily. The widows will be cared for.

And then the church will be added to daily, as it was 2000 years ago.

May this come quickly.

98 Responses to “Real Church”

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  2. Amen

    • Yes, Amen 🙏

    • From: the world Elder of the Old church God of the New Covenant Note” we are so the same as a people of God, we are on the web for the first time ever, as the new Elder for the Church as the last elder was from a close part of the world, we go all the way back to Jesus, we did not take part in the nicaca council of AD325 because of the one big dog over see all others that they were after, Paul told some of my people in the past of when He was at war with this old church God of the new covenant Gal. 1:13 you see I am from those same people, the old church has not had a pope or a big dog boss in a human after the time of Apostles, we do not pay pastors or any others at the church, we keep no old covenant laws, new moons, Sabbaths, Holydays, feast days , no Tithing, we are all new Covenant just as God change us to, His People His Way. Here in the U S A we have freedom my people came in the 1700 to Kentucky, in days past I had a some one in my family who was the world elder in 15 47 HE lost his life to the black prince of England, the next elder had to take the people of God through the trouble that had come in 1611 war against the saved people of God again with one big dog go to heaven His pope. we say stay with Jesus Him we preach, not us, He will make us more than what we were, more that what we have done or what has been done to us. Pray always Elder Simon Kidd

      • Dear Elder Kidd

        It sounds like we have much in common.

        That is how I live. I did not think anyone was around like me.

        I minister here alone, 24/7 accept no pay, teach the bible, and help the poor

        • From Elder Kidd : Dear sister Minister and family hang in there, praying for you and yours always, all the way we must go and we can and will, Him we parse, His name above all others, pray to him is what we do not at Him, you will have that pay in His time, His way His people, remember your calling, for He is who calls under the New Covenant way— Jer: 3:15-16-Rom. 10:14-16 how will any know the way if we do not Preach to them and we are what He called, He is alive, He is boss. we are here if you need us, Elder Kidd in Jesus Name and under Hi word .

      • Dear Elder Kidd

        It sounds like we have much in common.

        That is how I live. I did not think anyone was around like me.

        I minister here alone, 24/7 accept no pay, teach the bible, and help the poor

        I call what I practice “The Way,” as outlined in the early days.

  3. How true

  4. Now lets add some more fuel to the fire.
    These beliefs are what the early church believed in. How well do your beliefs compare to those of the early church?
    Baptism was by immersion and did not include infants.
    The complete Bible with the proper Old Testament and New Testament was relied on by the true Church in Asia Minor.
    A Binitarian view, that acknowledged the Holy Spirit, was held by the apostolic and post-apostolic true Christian leaders. Binitarianism is a Christian theology of duality, two personae, two individuals, or two aspects in one Godhead (or God). Classically, binitarianism is understood as a form of monotheism — that is, that God is an absolutely single being; and yet with binitarianism there is a “twoness” in God. The other common forms of monotheism are “unitarianism”, a belief in a single God with one aspect, and “trinitarianism”, a belief in a single God with three aspects.
    Birthdays were not celebrated by early Christians.
    Born-Again meant being born at the resurrection, not at the time of conversion.
    Celibacy for Bishops/Presbyters/Elders was not a requirement.
    Church Governance was hierarchical (goverened by priests; the organization of the priesthood according to different grades).
    Christmas was not observed by any professing Christ prior to the third century, or ever by those holding to early teachings.
    Circumcision, though not required, was long practiced by original Nazarene Christians.
    Confession of sins were not made to priests and did not require penance (suffering submitted to in penitance; act of atonement).
    Deification (to make godlike) of Christians (which begins after the first resurrection) was taught by the early leaders of the Church.
    Duties of Elders/Pastors were pastoral and theological, not predominantly sacramental–nor did they dress as many now do.
    Easter was not observed by the apostolic church.
    The Fall Holy Days were observed by true early Christians.
    The Father was considered to be God by all early professing Christians.
    The True Gospel included the kingdom of God and obedience to the law of God and was so understood by the faithful.
    Heaven was not taught to be the reward of Christians.
    Holy Spirit was not referred to as God or as a person by any early true Christians.
    Hymns were mainly psalms, not praises to Christ.
    Idols were taught against, including adoration of the cross.
    Immortality of the soul or humans was not taught.
    Jesus was considered to be God by the true Christians.
    The Kingdom of God was preached.
    Leavened Bread was removed from the homes of early Christians when the Jews did the same.
    Lent (the 40 days season between Ash Wednesday and Easter Day) was not observed by the primitive church.
    Limbo (a regionintermediate between heaven and hell in which the souls of unbaptized children etc.) was not taught by the original church.
    Mary was the mother of Jesus, was blessed (Luke 1:28) and called blessed (Luke 1:48), but was not prayed to, etc. by true early Christians.
    Military Service was not allowed for true early Christians.
    Millenarianism (a literal thousand year reign of Christ on Earth, often called the millennium) was taught by the early Christians.
    Monasticism ( the monastic way of life of monks) was unheard of in the early Christian church.
    Passover was kept on the 14th of Nisan/Abib by apostolic and second century Christians in Asia Minor.
    Pentecost was kept on Sunday by certain Jews and was observed then by professing Christians.
    Purgatory (place where souls of dead are purified by suffering) was not taught by the original apostolic church.
    The Resurrection of the dead was taught by all early Christians.
    The Sabbath was observed on Saturday by the apostolic and post-apostolic Church.
    Salvation was believed to be offered to the chosen now by the early Church, with others being called later, though not all that taught that (or other doctrines) practiced “the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3).
    God’s Six Thousand Year Plan for humankind to rule itself was believed by early professors of Christ.
    Sunday was not observed by the apostolic and original post-apostolic Christians.
    The Ten Commandments were observed by the apostolic and true post-apostolic Christians–and in the order that the Church of God claims they are in.
    Tithes and Offerings were given to support the ministry, the churches, the needy, and evangelical travels and gospel proclamation.
    Tradition had some impact on the second century Christians, but was never supposed to supercede the Bible.
    The Trinity was not a word used to describe the Godhead by the apostolic or second century Christians, though a certain threeness was acknowledged. Elohim refers to more than one.
    Unclean Meats were eaten by the early allegorists, but not by true Christians.
    The Virgin Birth was acknowledged by all true ante-Nicene Christians.

    • jardalkal

      it sounds like the catholic church was missing 🙂

      I did not know about the military service. I do not see how they could get out of it unless the government agreed to it

      I do not see in he bible where tithes were given to the church..tithes were reserved for the temple in Jerusalem….paul paid his tithes there…

      offerings were collected for the purposes you mention

      • Date on the time the Catholic Church entered the scene.
        312 CE At battle of Milvian Bridge, Constantine looked at the Sun; saw a cross of light with words “In this Victory”.
        313 CE “The Edict of Milan” was signed by Constantine and Licinius. 313-636 Byzantine rule
        315 CE Sabbath year (Shmita שמיטה‎)
        4300 321 CE 86th Jubilee (yovel יובל) 321 CE March 7, Constantine I decreed that Sunday (dies Solis) to be observed as the Roman rest day.
        “On the venerable day of the Sun let the Magistrates and the people residing in the cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.” Codex Justinian 3.12.2; translated by Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3 (1902), p. 380, note. This was the beginning of the Year of Ra and Sabbath (Saturday) keeping was condemned. Jews and Christians killed who kept the Saturday Sabbath.
        322 CE Sabbath year (Shmita שמיטה‎)
        325 CE First Council of Nicaea
        329 CE The Chronicle of St. Jerome’ 25th
        336 CE Sabbath year (Shmita שמיטה‎)
        “Under the reign of Constantius (337-362) the persecutions of the Jews reached such a height that . . . the computation of the calendar [was] forbidden under pain of severe punishment.” Calendar,” The Jewish Encyclopedia, “mean motions of the sun and moon, the true [calendar] having been set aside.” Maimonides, Kiddusch Ha-hodesch, Tr. Mahler, Wein, 1889. With the development of the importance of the Sabbath as a day of consecration and the emphasis laid upon the significant number seven, the week became more and more divorced from its lunar connection . . .The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Isaak Landman (ed.), Vol. X, “Week,” (1943 ed.), p. 482.
        From this time forward during the crusades, those who practiced 7th day Sabbaths were killed for their faith. So the Christians were also killed if they practiced the Sabbaths.
        The Jesus you worship today is a different one than those of the early church.

        • Anti- semitism is a big thing with me. My life has been blessed by so many dear Jews…neighbors, friends, and believe it, a lawyer! I was a classical musician and get very upset over this.
          Besides Constantine there were other noteworthy “saints” who urged murders and pogroms…culminating in the monstrousness of the Yugoslav Stasi against both Jews and Orthodox Christians. The Bishop then was later canonized. I know there are many very decent, sweet Catholics…but I can’t get passed some of this stuff.

    • Jardalkal – that was a pretty good summary on it all.


    • Very well stated and what I have also learned through YHVH’s word and historical records.Thank you for the simple stating of facts according to the full context of the whole of scripture. Amen and amen.

    • From the World Elder Dear cogwriter you don’t have the books the elder have handed down over the last some 1900 years I do as the world elder, now we do not as the boss over you or any, we only come and preach where we preach and tell any who will or can hear what the Lord has for those who believe Him, Him we preach not our own way, now you do not have to know all things of the past to be long to the God, we are living in the days of Salvation where humans of all nations can go home to the Lord, you say lets add fuel so lets at some world elder who were there when the way of God came to the first nicaca council He would have nothing to do with the keeping of a old covenant Sabbath, no new moons , no feast day, no big dog pope to boss the saved persons of God He wrote have your day for it is the will of God that many churches are upon the land until the time of Rev. 18:4 when God will call all of His saved People back out of them, His People His way. but there was and are those who have never removed themselves from Him new covenant church down through the years, some times we have been many and some times very few, but He has had many in all other church If Jesus saved then you are His, no matter where you may go to worship, thing is when He moves on you and you know then you come out, not to me or any other but Him, you know I am here You Lord know who i am what I am where I come from, I am returning to You and only You.

  5. Every great relgious revival in Christianity has resembled much of this. They last about 30 years. The Franciscan revival, the Methodist awakening, various sectarian revivals. They begin with a leader that inspires people to draw close to the Father through Jesus, read the Bible, control their selfishness and sensuality, live simply and with liberal generosity.
    I love reading John Wesley’s journal, especially toward the end of his life, how touched he was to revisit the old towns and still find 10 or 20 people living that way. He describes so well old women, families, who have kept the flame in their hearts…and how few they are compared to the thousands years ago.
    I imagine if Francis (who was always a layman) or St Paul lived to be 88 they would find the same story.
    Wesley was thrilled to find these people…he always knew it would be like that and was amazed the Methodist revival lasted as long as it did, considering Luther gave all religious revival movements 30 tears tops.

    We are ripe for one today…it won’t be about arguing social issues and cranky scripture fights (like the pilgrims, who drove everyone crazy and repelled them). But these revivals are mysteries of the Holy Spirit and sweep through when the wind blows them. One thing we today can do is not be like the pilgrim cranks, but to pray and wait on the Spirit of God to come and do this miracle once again!! Alleluia!!

  6. Marianne – I believe the holiest of places can be found inside of us, if we take time each day to commune with and pray with Him. Though, I miss having a “group” of people with whom to fellowship with. I, as you, have not been able to find such a church. I began to believe I was alone in how I felt about God, my day to day (even hour by hour) relationship with Him, His priority in my life – until I found your site here about 6 years ago.

    As for wealth, God has always taken care of me. I believe in “passing the basket” around. No, not a collection at the end of some sermon, but in life. As the basket comes your way, take what you need and pass the basket on so that others may have their needs met. The basket always comes around again. Add to the basket if you can. My tithes do not go to a local church but to my community such as the local senior center or meals on wheels service. I don’t base my offerings on any certain percentage, and stop there, I give what I can as I can. Some times that is only a few dollars, usually it is much more than that.

    • I agree. I hope for a real church in heaven when i get there….

      i give locally also to a homeless shelter / rescue mission.

    • Marianne & Denise.. I agree and I have the same experiences with the church. “Man Made” religion is not for me.. It’s all about relationship with Jesus as we have said… I do have fellowship with a few people but I also have loved this site and all the work that Marianne does to keep it going for many years now! Thank you Marianne for providing this opportunity to fellowship for us! Blessings to you & all 😊

  7. thanks Marianne these are ideas of the earliest Church long gone….there’s still time for erecting more Churches like the early ones, but I can’t see those lasting 30 years or having too many faithful members. However, maybe we can make it happen, since we can do all things through Christ Jesus!

  8. People here before asked why I left the Messianic church. The answer lies in the fact that there is a spirit at work in them that is not the Holy Spirit.
    One person bit on my email that I left here on my last post and it was quite easy to distinguish what spirit was at work in him. Though we all to a certain extent battle this spirit within us, even the apostles did, and it is not just a “messianic” problem, it is quite prevalent in those who call themselves messianics. (John, Al that would be you two).
    Without understanding this spirit you will never find the “true church”. I Highly suggest that all here read this article, as we all battle this spirit.

    This is the wheat and the tares, the separation of which is the judgment of the church, which comes first. We are in that time now.

    • Thank goodness, the Messianic Churches kicked me out due to Asperger Syndrome.

      • A Blessing in disguise.
        Read the article though, as this is not just a messianic problem, all churches are plagued by this. Read the Parable of the wheat and the tares.

        • Young buck Agust. I already walked out the article for the past 7 years but it was a good summation that I walked out in my life.

          • 25 years ago for me…Much harder then than now. Oh the sweetness of that first embrace, and how that took away that guilt and shame of not fitting in to the church you grew up in. I looked for other churches, but they could not fulfill the Embrace of Jesus. Took another 15 years to stop looking for a place to fit in, and to learn how to walk in step with the Spirit. (Be reborn of the Spirit. Churches today have no clue what this means) The messianic movement was just starting then, when I saw it as just another spirit of religion.
            I remember trying to explain this to friends and others I knew that were in church, but they just could not understand, and I could not adequately explain it. But that is the Journey, we have to walk it alone many times, but I followed in the footsteps of other saints that did it before me.
            I wish I had this summation back then to explain it to my friends.

  9. The true believers may go underground now as persecution comes on the 501c(3) groups. I suspect that by September toDecember, that people may not be meeting in churches any more but in homes.
    Oneof the reasons for Jade Helm is to seek out those like me and most people on this forum to kill them or put them into death camps to re-educate them to the NWO.

  10. One of the dearest Christians I have known was an old Greek Orthodox. She poured the Greek coffee at all the gatherings and was very devout. She used to walk our neighborhood every day, asking God to bless us all and protect us. She called it her medicine, and was never sick. She knew I was a Catholic, so she opened up sometimes.
    Then one day in her mid 80s she was despondent…highly uncharacteristic of her. She was hurt because her hands shook a bit and she didn’t feel safe making that coffee, which requires an open flame and boiling water. When she told the ladies at church, they were very, very mean about it. Now this friend was not sensitive…she was a tough old Greek. But the ugliness over it, because the Festival was coming up and makes lots of $$$, really shook her faith in the church to help people be Christian.

    She told me Christianity was all about being with Jesus in your heart…that she felt kin to people from different backgrounds who loved Jesus, loved God deep inside.

    This is only one of many personal examples…churches have become strange. Most don’t sing the old hymns. Mystery $$$ opens schools, the name of Jesus isn’t heard much. This Pope never mentions the name “Jesus”. Now I’m fairly liberal politically…My best friends here have been gays, though I loved them just for being themselves not for that. Two died of AIDs and I went through that with them in the 1980s. I love people.

    Whatever is going on with churches is very smelly and suspicious…my church now is hymns on Youtube from Africa!! And the wonderful one from the BBC on Charles Wesley’s 300 anniversary celebration…what a joy to my heart!!!

    • deanna

      your old lady friend was right….a church is a business now, honoring whatever keeps it financially going.

      it would be nice to go back to a time when friends stopped over for dinner, tea, and a prayer, and a few bible verses..and lots of hugs

    • Hello Deanna, if you interest in more about Charles Wesley, please visit the website for the book, Black Country. The book details the early movement that Charles and his brother John were part of in 18th century England. The book incorporates much about Charles. The website for the book is The book is part of a trilogy about a young Francis Asbury. Black Country opens the story in the West-Midlands of England.

  11. Jesus loved people as well. Just as I do. But when it came to doctrines Jesus seemed like an imposter to His generation. Many many more maybe would have believed if it had not been for the Sanhedrin lords that were ruling over the people. No man spake like this man. = Jesus Christ
    He came to His own and His own received Him not. What about our day now.


    • many christians do not receive jesus now…they join the secular world with its immoral values

    • Jesus was basically a reformer of Torah Judaism. At least from the beginning of His ministry that was his passion…to bring the Jews back to basics.
      Many smart Jews think they shouldn’t have pushed him away so much. We can thank old Constantine and the huge political/financial upheaval which included occult and artistic influences. Ever wonder how a Jewish peasant rabbi from Galilee turned into (DA DAAA ) a hellenized blond dreamboat with beauty parlor hair-dos? The first Christian depiction was a Jewish shepherd with short hair carrying a lamb…that didn’t last long!

      By the way, in the 1st century long hair was only worn by homosexual men and never by Jews. It’s highly unlikely Jesus looked anything like the stereotype.

  12. Jesus said HE HATED the Nico-Laotians. Yet they are ruling today as well. We in America will have to take a stand sooner or later.


  13. Hi Deanna: hymms from africa on YOUTUBE?

    I literally hear you, and since you mentioned Greek Orthodox, listen to their chanting (also on youTUBE) and even better, Russian Orthodox Chanting…you will be enchanted!!!

    PS: one of the major reasons the orthodox split from RCC was on account of the formers’ emphasis on sacrifice, especially that related to worldly treasures,lon the RCC being much more focused on materialistics.

    ALso: the Orthodox was literally the heart of the earliest churches that you seem to long for (keep on searching one may arise here!)

    in the name of Jesus I pray

    • I attended an Orthodox chapel for 9 months and loved it…though I wearied of being called a heretic. Now I have Orthodox, Catholic, and chapel Protestant in my immediate household family…plus people who just don’t care much. I’m a diplomat.
      When I think of Jesus preaching on the hillsides and the Methodist circuit riders doing the same….surrounded with every kind of human God made, some very rowdy, some gay in every sense of the word, many in rags. Kids would chase dogs through the middle of it all. I love John Wesley’s journal.

      Then I think of all the stuffy sermons and too low air conditioning that sent me home chilled…

      • deanna

        there were no gays in jesus time…and i seriously doubt there were gays during time of john wesley….where did you get that idea?

        although homosexuality existed in roman times, in rome, most died out with the empire….it was more typical of the roman army than the general populace, as they were away from home for too long and only had other men to look at, similar to the prison system today….this practice weakened the army who was eventually defeated by stronger males in invading armies.

        in jewish culture such a person would have been stoned to death, and the culture did not breed them anyhow…there is not one gay mentioned in the bible

        in wesley’s time, I would ask that you provide a reference….in that time and culture, people raised their children to obey the 10 commandments…..and with the disgrace involved, no one would want to be a homosexual.

        • In his journal John Wesley mentions the culture of vice, sexual and otherwise, in the Public Schools like Eton for the upper classes. He thanked God his parents sent none of them there.
          They were called “fancy boys” or effeminate. Churchill said the British navy won the world on courage, limes and sodomy…
          The border ballads mention it a lot…it isn’t called homosexuality.
          Christopher Marlowe was an enthusiastic gay…he went to the secular Cambridge,
          I agree it was never considered a positive thing except with extremists like Marlowe who wrote poems about it. Jews were not part of those cultures…I wonder if their dislike of perversions made them unwelcome for that alone! Never thought of that!

          • deanna

            at least the general morals of the day kept things at bay…

            now, the flood gates have opened and that is all we are forced to hear about

            • Yes…that says it.
              Those sailors also often came home and married…they believed in a loving Father who knows our struggles
              Alas most young people know friends who were disowned and thrown out when their parents found out they were gay…not necessarily actively gay. This is one big reason for the huge support of the young for them….empathy.

              • deanna

                people are gay because someone has molested or influenced them sexually in some way. parents should be alarmed and not reject their children, who have already been victimized . healing needs to take place, and help restore the child.

                because they are abandoned, the gay agenda puts them deeper into the lifestyle, convincing them they are normal and others are wrong..deepening the bondage they are already in

                • Such parents care more for their own standing in a social or religious set than they do their child. There was a Rockford Files last week about a Mob boss who was so horrified his son was gay he had him wasted for “disgracing the family”. It’s such a crazy world!!

  14. Deanna or anybody on this group, if you want my story on the take of this discussion of loving others that the church got away from, e-mail me at and I will e-mail you back with “Why am I Afraid to Love and Unconditional love from the view of an Autistic with Asperger Syndrome.

  15. Jordalkal…I will do that soon. I would be interested in your story. Right now I’m worn out from a long week but soon.

  16. My heart aches for this too. I am in Australia. There is so much I could say but I won’t. Some of us here are praying for America. I struggle with the fact that on a Sun at church no one ever mentions what is going on in the world. I feel though that we are living in a bubble here in Aus. Life is great thank you very much. Don’t get me wrong I thank the Lord every day for His blessings upon my life. I believe we should be sharing the burden of our brothers and sisters who are suffering overseas- praying and speaking life into their situations. It seems that on Sun the people must be encouraged, we must leave feeling good- it’s about us. I think if we spent more time focussing on those ones we would realise that we have every reason to be grateful -that we have so much. It’s all about perspective. So much for not saying

    • dianne

      what interests me is that australia is not in prophecy…maybe it is a haven there that more people should seek.

      • There seems to be such a vast distance between America’s beginnings and Australia’s. Isn’t much of Australia founded on the backs of convicts sent from Britain? Fearing a large crime wave, the British authorities thought the “criminal classes” had to be “exiled.” 1787 saw the first convoys from England. The voyage took 9 months.

        Elizabeth Beckford, 70 years of age, her crime was stealing some cheese for which she could have been hanged. The state “saved her life” – instead of hanging her, they sent her, an unwilling passenger in chains, among the cows, horses, pigs and sheep; on a ship of 736, in a fleet of 11 ships. Even in the midst of the condition on the ships, the women “fell on their knees praying.”

        Elizabeth wasn’t the oldest on her voyage. Dorothy Handland was, she was 82. (Not sure what her crime was, but at age 84 after being in Australia for 2 years, she hung herself. Australia’s first recorded suicide.) Once there it was hard work to just survive, and if you didn’t work, you didn’t eat. There were 163,000 in all that made the same voyage. Today genealogists can trace about 2 million descendants alive today from those exiled 200+ years ago.

        Interesting history for Australia’s beginnings. But even in the worst of it, they prayed. My sense of it, is God never lost sight of them. Perhaps Dianne has more insight.

        • Thanks…this Aussie stuff is fascinating…those poor little whores and old ladies stealing cheese make for a more lovable bunch than some of ours.

        • denise

          there is a small comparison between australia and usa.

          the early pilgrims came to get away from religious persecution in england…..others just came because they wanted to be in the “new world”

          both lands were colonies also

          • They were persecuted in England and Holland and England again because they were unwholesome cranks who didn’t believe God loved all and wanted all saved. The ship’s log from the Mayflower really wipes the pixie dust off!! The crew even had to care for their kids and do the domestic jobs while the pilgrims argued about Bible verses…I think the crew were better Christians…hee!hee!

  17. Amen to this post. God must be very angry because of how terribly far things have fallen. There’s so much sin and iniquity on earth today that virtually no one can be punished for it. The only answer seems to be either repentance or judgment. This is an alien planet; people do not even act human anymore. The Bible tells the priests who minister to the Lord to weep between the porch and the altar– i.e. to mediate between the people and God. Ezekiel talked about those who “sigh and cry” about the abominations of the times. God’s ministers should be calling for repentance and weeping for the immense evil that is just epidemic on earth. I am beyond appalled and amazed at the incredibly apostasy of the churches. Abraham approached God, when God wanted to destroy the cities of the plain, and stated to Him, “Are You REALLY going to destroy…” Today, Abraham might instead have approached Him and said, “Are You REALLY not going to destroy…” I cannot help being disappointed in the abdication of responsibility of Christian leaders and ministers who chase glory and fame and think that godliness is a means of gain and that Jesus is okay with them living selfishly rather than selflessly. May God break through these brazen (brazen in more than one way) heavens and save and rescue many from the very imminent judgment that is coming first to the churches and then to the world. God forgive us for hating all but ourselves.

  18. I suggest purchasing and reading” Living Water” by Brother Yun. The underground church in China is “real.”

    Psalm 103

  19. First, Jardalkal…I’m a moron about this gadget and don’t yet have microsoft email account. I do understand a little about Aspergers and know that any Christian group should just get used to it…just as with any handicap. Rejection is God’s protection…welcome to this little band of misfits.

    There is so much hypocrisy now it must make Jesus grind his teeth. Some exploit DEAD slaves with books and political rants…but totally ignore the LIVING slaves who work for them all around the world. These millions are simply invisible even though their countries of origin are in labels and stickers in every store. 2/3 of electronics workers in Malasia alone are literal slaves.

    American Christians go on ad nauseum about sexual sins in other people but forget that even a century ago birth control and divorce were great sins in all churches. And the sexual abuse in the factories and free trade zones, in meat packing plants…abuse both homo and hetero…who mentions that? DO CHRISTIANS BOYCOTT ANYTHING?
    Financial sins include almost every participant in the exchange of money…everybody. That’s why American churches do nothing to help persecuted Christians and minorities…

    Christian Solidarity in Switzerland is the only charity seriously helping ISIS victims and Sudanese slaves….I assume because they are financially uncompromised by pensions and investments that hamstring our churches.

    The Pope’s letter on the environment and human rights is white wash craziness..take one thing alone. Over half the ivory trade from poaching endangered elephants is for the Catholic mania for ivory religious art, mostly for wealthy Filipinos…that’s a lot of elephants. The world is waiting for the Pope’s other shoe to drop and changes in the church he leads…but we won’t hold our breath.

    It would be great if he really means it…surely those astronomically rich collectors can make do with acrylic…since they can’t seem to see God’s image in their destitute countrymen and women.

    Moral shock today is just shooting the bs…we all know better. The world is an insane asylum!!! God help us!

  20. The apostolic church was birthed in persecution and martyrdom. the end time remnant will be as well. They will not be a church as we see them now, buildings, schools, money and political clout. Instead they will be empowered by faith, and do works greater than any church in the past millennia have.
    Christianity is all about the relationship. His followers are now coming out of the churches to be the remnant. Being Born of the Spirit.
    Read Micah 5, and place a name to every pronoun in the text. I think you will find a whole new meaning there, than you were taught in your churches.
    Obviously, Jesus is the one born in Bethlehem in verse 2, But after that you will see the church is the woman giving birth, and Later Jacob is who is Born. And then, compare this to Revelation 12.
    10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. (12:10)

  21. Why am I Afraid to Love and Unconditional Love.
    Read the article on “Love” as well

    In 1979 I, John Ashcraft, was in the lowest point in my life. It was at this time that I became a Christian and was saved from going to Hell. On the bus from Albuquerque, NM to Las Cruces, I read two books: “Letter’s to Philip and Karen” and “Why am I Afraid to Love” by John Powell. It was this book that changed my view on a bunch of things. I cried when I read this book. It was this time that I needed to hear you say, “I Love You”. It was in this time frame that I desired to be hugged which was also saying to me “I Love You”. It was in this book that I learned what Unconditional Love is. Unconditional Love to me is that you love me just the way I am with no strings attached which means you are not going to change me into being like you. However I do and will allow Yeshua/God to change me.
    Do You Love Me? This is another area I have problems with. I need to hear this often. It helps me to cope with the Autism. I need to hear you say, “I love you.” Back in 1979, I came across a book called: “Why am I afraid to love?” At that time before I became a Christian in 80, God used it on me as a wake up call. In Fiddler on the Roof, there is a song titled “Do you love me” Another song that I learned as a Christian is “Father, I adore you” In it, it has the word Love. On Valentines Day, I was always giving my wife a teddy bear that said “I Love You”. That is why I often say “I Love You.” When I tell you that “I love you”, I am telling me that “I love me.” This helps me to deal with my issues.
    All I want is for you to love me unconditionally. That is what I feel an Aspie wants. It is tough to not be able to communicate with people and all we ask for is you to just love us people who are different.
    On the path to acceptance, I have learned many things that have helped me. I have come to learn the meaning of unconditional love—to honor my sacred right to be loved for who I am, not what I have achieved lately, how I look or how much money I will earn. I learned the lesson that hard work isn’t everything. That grief comes and goes. That anxiety and sadness come and go. That it takes time to heal a broken heart. That happiness and meaning can abound with acceptance. We don’t have to push away our painful thoughts and uncomfortable feelings. I learned that acceptance does not mean giving up but rather learning to live with our mental and physical challenges. I do the activities I enjoy and eat the food I love and the freedom for me to be myself. I don’t have control over the autism even though I am constantly learning to deal with others.
    If you are a family member, please love me unconditionally.
    So much for me being an overcomer so what really happened in this timeframe.

    Why was I afraid of being loved in 1979.

    I know it stems from problems with my family but it also was from me.

    At this time in my life I was afraid to reach out and be loved for who I am because I was afraid of being rejected by others. I was risking everything I had to allow others into my life to get them to know the real me. I was afraid to place my trust into another person and even into allowing Christ to share and be a part of my life. If I allowed Christ into my life, then I would feel exposed and vulnerable.

    But that wasn’t what I found out when I allowed Christ into my life fully. He changed me by giving me a love for others that I had never felt. Because of His unconditional love for me, I am able today to tell you “I Love you, period!” with no strings attached. I love you so much that I would die for you if it meant that I could save you even though I know I can’t but I know He can.

    There is someone I know who says that I will love you unconditionally however his love comes with many strings and conditions attached and I do not want that kind of love. I only wnat the unconditional love that only God/Christ can give.

    So what is Christ’s unconditional love? Unconditional love in the Bible is also called Agape Love. It is an unconditional love with no strings attached. He just accepts us for who we are. Since I am an animal lover, His unconditional love is just the same as a dog’s unconditional love for you. Yeshua’s love was and is unconditional. He showed His love by dying on the tree for us. He gave all of Himself for us.

    When I am in need of an comforting arm, all I do is ask Christ for an hug. Usually at this time I am crying and I cry out “Abba, I need your love” and I feel this immense peace come over me. I feel His arms just holding me and I hear Him say, “I Love You!!!!”. It has happened numerous times in my life.
    The most recent one was in May/June in 2014 when I was doing an introspection of myself on the Rdos quiz. By the time I got done doing that introspection I was on my knees bawling to God and asking for help because I found out that I have many problems in communicating to others and it is always getting me into trouble. I was bawling my heart out and I felt this peace come over me and I felt Him just hugging me.

    Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
    What is this saying to me. It is saying to me that I have to give my life to save you. Are you willing to give all of you just to save the one you love? This verse is saying to me that I have to take up my cross and follow Him no matter where He leads me. This verse is telling me to risk everything for the sake of Him. Do we see this in action in the OT, yes we do. We see it in Moses. We see it in the prophets.

    Here is David L. Stern’s view on this statement. Why is this a new commandment? Doesn’t Lev_19:18 already say, “Love your neighbor as yourself”? The difference is this: Leviticus says, “as yourself”; Yeshua says, “In the same way that I have loved you,” which presupposes that God’s way of loving can be ours. Humanly this is impossible. But Yeshua gives us a new nature, a new spirit, in fulfillment of Tanakh promises (Eze_36:26, Eze_37:14; Jer_31:32 (Jer_31:33)), God’s Spirit, the Holy Spirit. This is how we can love as God loves; God makes it possible.
    Love for neighbor means even love for enemies and for the unloveable (Lk 10:30-39. the parable of the Good Samaritan); at Jn 13:34-35 Yeshua enjoined his followers “to love one another as I have loved you.” Such love only believers can give and receive, since it grows out of having the Holy Spirit.

    Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

    Love thy heighbour as thyself – it seems to me that what God is asking is simply that one is as considerate of others as one is of one’s self. One is neither asked to be selfless nor selfish. This is a very balanced position. Also, one not asking to give any more than one is not capable of giving. This is a very balanced approach, which I find deeply profound. Much as we ask to be forgive our trespasses as we are willing to forgive those that trespasses against us. Again, God judges us as leniently or harsely as we judge others. The core of christianity is about selfless service to others.

    Footprints in the Sand
    One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky. In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand. Sometimes there were two sets of footprints, other times there were one set of footprints. This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my life, when I was suffering from anguish, sorrow or defeat, I could see only one set of footprints. So I said to the Lord, “You promised me Lord, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life there have only been one set of footprints in the sand. Why, when I needed you most, you have not been there for me?” The Lord replied, “The times when you have seen only one set of footprints, is when I carried you.” Mary Stevenson

    As I look back on my life, 90% of the time, it was God who was carrying me. I tried to carry myself that extra 10% but I failed majority of the time. God had to let me stumble to teach me to rely on Him for all of my needs. But no more, If I had to rely on my own intuition, then I would have committed suicide. But nope, God has a better plan for me. I could have given up. I could have killed myself, but God sees me as His very precious child, His baby, His bird, His bride.

    The birds are God’s creation, every need that they have is met by their Heavenly Father. They don’t have a place to put their head, but under His Wings, they are protected and they can find Shalom in their Father.

    Are you God’s precious child? Are you under His Wings? Are you following Him even if it means the cross for you? Are you willing to have faith in Him and trust Him even if it means that you will lose your family?

    How does 1 John 3:16-19 and 4:14-19 define real love?
    1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
    1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
    1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
    1Jn 3:19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

    1Jn 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
    1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
    1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
    1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
    1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
    1Jn 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us. This verse come against making religion a matter of “words and talk” instead of “actions” and “reality” (1Jn_3:17-18).

    What does these verses mean to me. Taken literally, I am not doing what I should be doing. I should be in town on a daily basis visiting the elderly. I should be talking to people on the street and evangelizing. I should be giving everything away. Instead, I am sitting at home behind a computer typing on articles such as this article.

    So, what does Stearn have to say about these verses. With 1Jn_3:15 compare Mat_5:21-26. With 1Jn_3:17-18 compare Jas_2:14-17. Yochanan/John, like all the New Testament writers, retains the customary Jewish emphasis on the importance of deeds. While Ya’akov/Jacob speaks of deeds as necessary expressions of faith, Yochanan stresses deeds as necessary expressions of love. Similarly Sha’ul at Gal_5:6.
    Our consciences can be misguided (1Co_8:7-13), but if in fact we are loving our brothers with deeds of kindness, and not merely with our feelings, then we can quiet our consciences.
    With these verses compare Psa_139:23-24 : “Search me, O God, and know my heart! Try me and know my thoughts!
    See if there is any wicked way in me, and lead me in the everlasting way!”
    Why is it important to love yourself? How do you do this? What often keeps a person from loving himself? How does this affect his love for others?
    Before Yeshua came into my life, I hated my life and I hated me. But after He came into my life, I had a love not only for me but everything around me. It took much patience on His part for me to learn this but over time I had to learn this. It was around 1993 time frame that I began to learn just how much He loved me. It was through the love of my family Deena, Kelli, and Kati convicting me of something that was wrong in my life that turned me around. But it wasn’t until 2007 that I was able to say “I Love You, period”.
    I learned to love me by having to learn to love God’s creation. If I had not learned to be a husband to God’s creation, I would never had learned that God loved me.
    I first had to learn to love God, then I learned to love others, and then I learned to love myself.
    What happened in 2007? In 2007, I saw Yeshua in a dream. He told me that I am His beloved bride. Then He told me “Shalom”. May my Shalom (peace, wholeness, oneness, and 67 other meanings) that passes all understanding cover (as a mother hen cover’s her chicks with her wings) your body, soul, spirit, and mind for all of eternity”.

    Love God, others, self
    Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.” – Matt 22:37-40 (see also Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18)
    What is missing is biblical balance. We need all three, not just our favorite one. We can only really perform well in our lives when we love God and also love others and also love ourselves. All three (God, others, self) are needed to function in a balanced way as a human being. The bible says so!

    Why do you feel love? (See Romans 5:5) And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
    Because I have been saved and have the Holy Spirit living in me, I can give my love away. But if the Holy Spirit is not living in me, then I cannot say “I Love You, period!”
    So here is what David Stearn has to say about this: This hope does not let us down, literally, “… make us ashamed” (compare Psa_22:6 (Psa_22:5), Psa_25:21 (Psa_25:20)), as we would be if we had a false hope; because God’s love for us (Rom_5:8) has already been poured out in our hearts through the Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit), who is fully God (2Co_3:17-18) and has been given to us in fulfillment of a different promise (Eze_36:27; Joh_14:16, Joh_14:26; Joh_15:26; Joh_16:7, Joh_16:13; Act_1:8, Act_2:4), and thus guarantees that God will also keep this present promise to resurrect us. For additional assurance that God will keep his promises and not let our hope be disappointed, see Rom_8:31-39 Rom. 9:1-Rom. 11:36. Chapter 8 discusses the role of the Holy Spirit.
    What resources can you cling to when you find it difficult to love someone?
    a. 1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. Ps 55:22,23
    b. Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Christ gives us the coping skills to love others.
    c. Colossians 3:2, 13 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. … Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
    d. 1 Thessalonians 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: 13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

    How is love expressed in Colossians 1:28?
    Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: When we love others, we can warn them of the road they go down.

    1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
    1Jn 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. 1Jn_3:22-23, Mar_11:24.

    God knows all aspects of His creation, He knows every hair on your head. He knows what you feel, and how hurt you feel. When you are in pain, he is there with you, when you are crying, He is crying with you, when you feel alone and rejected, He is there carrying you and holding you up.

    SHMILY= See How Much I Love You. As you go throughout your day, find out ways that God loves You throughout your day or week. For instance God loved the world through Christ’s death. God loves the world by giving trees and plants to produce oxygen and food. God loved the people in the Exodus by giving them a cloud by day and fire by night. God loved Job to give him shade by day. A Father shows his love to his family by doing what he does for his family. I show my love to you through my hugs. MY dad showed his love to me by giving me a house and a vehicle. I show my love to my Chihuahua’s by giving them doggie treats. A woman shows her love to her husband by doing things such as cooking meals, doing the laundry, etc. like Golda did in “Fiddler on the Roof” for her husband Telivia. How do you show your love for others?

    There is more that deals with my Asperger issue but this is the main portion of the article.

  22. You’re right about adults…but I wish so much my grandchildren could go to a little Sunday School and color a book about Jesus and learn to say a prayer…but I’m only their grandmother and have no rights!!
    Perhaps I’m nostalgic…maybe they do yoga in Sunday School nowadays.


      Just did a search or Yoga and meditation in sunday school, and came up with 985000 hits, so yes, even many sunday schools are being corrupted.

      • agust

        that is ridiculous. they are supposed to teach the bible, not yoga

        • As for Yoga and all that, Bill Johnson wrote a book approving overtly New Age practices for Christians. It’s sufficient to say that the churches are THOROUGHLY compromised. The compromise and satan’s inevitable takeover of the churches began when Christians presumed to be smarter than God and to seek to arrive at the right destination by going the wrong way. In this, I’m talking about the way Jesus founded the Church and His wisdom in having apostles and prophets as the foundation and having churches meet house to house as an organism and not an organization. Jesus said that the wise man hears and does His Word (i.e. leaves the Church as it began) but that the fool hears His Word BUT decides to do differently (i.e. do church his way). With a faulty foundation, a building inevitably must have all types of problems. With the change in the foundation of the Church, there is no sin or wrongdoing or unrighteousness that cannot now be welcomed in churches, because a tree is known by its fruit: a good seed/tree (beginning) produces good fruit; but a bad tree cannot. There are now rapes and satanic sacrifices in churches today. Yoga isn’t even close. But it’s according to Jesus’ word that a bad tree MUST produce bad fruit.

          They changed the Church structure that Jesus instituted, making the ‘tree’ bad; now, now the churches are open to any and ALL types of evil simply because the foundation is evil/faulty. “Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build it” (Ps. 127:1). Without Jesus building the Church (the way He instituted), the building may rise, the people may pack in, the money may flow, and the gifts of the Spirit may even be in attendance; but the Lord is not there. (And there is certainly a difference between the Spirit (who operates through our gifts even when we are walking in gross sin) and the Lord (who won’t presence an environment of sin and wickedness) as Jesus makes clear when He says in Matt. 7 that many who [operate in gifts of the Spirit] will seek to use their success in ministry to enter Heaven but to whom JESUS will say, “I (personal, emphatic) never knew you.”) Because the FOUNDATION (seed, origin, beginning) has been changed from a wise one (hearing and following suit) to a foolish one (hearing but diverging) and therefore most Christians are like the foolish virgins and not the wise ones, we can expect to be seeing in coming days EVERY kind of abomination (from yoga to New Age promotions to homosexual ministers to molestation to satanism, etc.) inside the churches which may all culminate in the man of sin who comes out and says he is God (i.e. his way, and not God’s way, is the right way).

  23. Diane and Denise, interesting stuff about Australia.

    And Deanna, revivals are on the way. I envision the coming revivals like a flock of eagles flying together (which you don’t really see; you see geese flying together in flocks). Each eagle represents a move of God (a breaking forth of revival) in any given region or locale. As the flock moves together, each eagle, when over its own region, breaks away from the flock and drops towards its destination. Knowing the exact time of arrival of these ‘moves’ of God, but that they are coming is a most certain fact. God the Father is recorded as speaking from Heaven to earth only three times in the NT (all three times during Jesus’ ministry). The first time, He affirmed Jesus as His Son (baptism at the Jordan); the second time, He confirmed Jesus as the Messiah and as God (the mountain of transfiguration); the third time, Jesus said to Him before all the people, “Father, glorify Your Name!” God immediately replied, “I have glorified it and will glorify it again,” and in this particular instance, unlike the previous two instances, everyone heard His voice. He’s jealous for His glory, so coming ‘moves’ of God are very clearly established.

    Agust, the Lord told me to leave a ‘prophetic’ church and by inference the institutional church in 2012 and said He’d lead me to a fellowship of genuine believers. I couldn’t find any believers and so returned to looking in the institutional church at which time He brought the passage to mind where the angels said to the apostles who came looking for Jesus in the tomb, “Why do you seek the living among the dead?” I was floored and asked the Lord if He would really call Christians “the dead”. He took me to Scripture to prove to me that it was He who spoke to me, and especially to the Sardis Church to whom He said, “I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead” (Rev. 3:1). What He said to the Sardis Church applies pretty much across the board to churches today: dead. As you said, the Messianic movement just went ahead and joined those who are dead. I went to a Messianic church once and felt the stuffiness of religion as what was apparently an entity called ‘Tradition’ sat on a throne in the middle of the room. I couldn’t wait to leave. I’ve been going it alone too since 1998 when I had an encounter with the Lord and it made me different from (rather than the same as) basically every single Christian I encountered from that point on. Hopefully these seasons of aloneness will soon come to an end.

    In the OT, God often brought charges against the shepherds (ministers) in Israel who were feeding themselves and didn’t care about the sheep. Jesus in the NT continued to acknowledge this apparently still-occurring problem when He was moved with compassion for the people, because “they were weary/harassed and scattered/helpless like sheep [are who have no] shepherd.” Moses missed out on a very important promised (Canaan and the Promise) because he misrepresented God just once. Though we have much greater Grace today, I can’t help being aware of the Lord’s strong disfavor and displeasure for primarily unfaithful ministers (who are, of every sinful living soul on earth, the FIRST in line for God’s wrath/judgment) and the very severe judgment that He has stored up for them. “Revive us again, that Your people may rejoice in You” (Ps. 85:6).

  24. What hopeful words! Thank you! I love reading it

    I had experiences after our family made a consecration to Jesus through Mary. They were healing and life changing. They were not about the end of the world or anything, (which is sooooHOT right now!!) so the few I shared them with belittled me. I was NOT hot!
    Mostly they showed me about the disorder in humanity…work, love, family, animals. This world was badly messed up and no amount of legalism and boy scout behavior can justify us…only Divine Grace through Jesus.

    Most people don’t like stuff like that…they believe being a good person is everything and it makes them feel secure. But it’s a seductive illusion God allows the weak.

    I read a story about Freud. He was at a meeting full of smokers and passed out. Waking up he said , “How interesting, I didn’t realize my homosexual impulses ; they surprised me.” It amazed me that that ‘atheist’ could face so calmly such an embarrassing thing…and so many religious people lack that detachment from their ego about their own natures. His scientific calmness about his soul was something we all need to have.

    I also learned about Heaven…the order restored. Everything beautiful is there in it’s right place…people, animals, work, talents. Eden. But we can do things to help others here we can’t do there…our time is precious for that.

    Christians are squeamish about Heaven…I think they are idealists who feel if they learned God made them to be, say, a librarian, they must quit their job, lose their house, abandon their family, and go off to some library. But God also said, “I, your God, hate divorce.” a big word, not about legal marriage, which may become very destructive, but about abandonment of those who depend on us…about betrayal of trust and dissolving bonds….selfishness.

    Religion must never be an excuse for selfishness…St. Paul understood that

    I was able to live in both worlds, not because I was better or more spiritual. But because my family history is tough old Border Scots, loyal to blood; and no less flaky souls exist…that’s what Jesus told me… How unromantic!! Not the dreamy mystic!!

    My little girl, Theresa, who lived to be 9, was the mystic and artist…she just KNEW.

    My friends then thought I would run off and leave my famiiy and join an ashram or some silly thing…but actually I think I insulted Jesus sometimes to get groceries or go to the bank…but He knew that. He never makes mistakes.

  25. It appears to me the true Church takes three steps forward and one step back all the time. What you are doing here with this website is an example.

    When I first started coming here, I really laid into those who worship Su’en. I have gotten a lot better and it doing so it has helped me with others who already believe as I do.

    It is hard to remember to love one another as Christ loved us when the world gets in the way, or we get tired. But, most of us move forward. It just takes time. Perhaps, this is why I choose to be a part of this Internet Church. I can come here when I need to and grow stronger as a Christian.

    Have a great day and may Christ come soon to stop the suffering in Old Knob’s work area.


    • leatherneck

      when I started this site, I had originally only put information here, so I could witness better on other sites…instead of repeating myself as to answers to questions, I would just provide a link to here, so I would not have to type the same answer over and over.

      I never expected the growth to this site….so it grew from a set of links to a private blog, which was more like my personal diary of thoughts….to what we have now.

      I try to be correct with each post, but sometimes, over time, I realize I am not 100% right about a thought or concept, and write another post reflecting that reconsideration. i think it is important to think first, then constantly be open to new thoughts that could give a better picture.

      this involves other people, as they come here and say things I had not considered, and so the growth of understanding continues for me and all of us.

      that is why I allow debate

      each person has something to offer…..

      and your direct approach is needed when extreme people say extreme things.

      as you say, and others have said this too, this is now an internet church, and every believer is a minister here….there is no hierarchy

      we are together, equipping the saints to work out their witness so they can be more effective with unbelievers.

      as they debate over issues, they can improve the content of their message, and do a better job in the outside world.

      everyone, you included, has been a blessing to me.

      so keep shooting from the hip…. that is your unique gift and talent when it comes to getting the point across.

      god bless you always

  26. In 1962
    If America would turn to its gift from God and would receive God’s gift that’s in the nation now, they wouldn’t have to build bomb shelters and things to protect themselves. The whole world would fear this nation. There’s only one weapon against communism, and that’s Christ. Christ is what communism fears.

    404 Listen, this on tape now. To the world, I speak, or wherever these tapes may go. And to you people here, no matter whatever happens to me, you believe this.
    405 Russia, communism, isn’t conquering nothing. God’s Word can’t fail. Romanism is going to conquer the world.

    Yea Bro. Branham its already been done.


  27. This ought to inspire your faith. William Branham praying for people.
    Tell me if you have ever heard such things as this. Its like in Jesus day.

    198 Yes, here It is, the Light coming over the man. All right, sir. No, sir, you’re not here for yourself, you’re here for somebody else, and that’s a daughter. And that daughter lives in California, and she has had an automobile accident, sometime ago. And you’re wanting me… You’re standing, for me to pray for her, ’cause she is still afflicted by it. And, listen, let me tell you something, that automobile accident was not in California. It was in Dallas, Texas, where the automobile accident happened. Is that right? She is going to be well. Don’t forget, I see her walk away. All right, believe. Go and believe now, brother. God bless you.

    « 199 How do you do, lady? I’m a stranger to you. We do not know one another. We’re perfectly strangers. Do be-… you believe Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever? You believe Him? Now if the Holy Spirit can tell me something about you, that you know I know not, then that will make you believe, wouldn’t it? You’re… you have complications. You have many things, but, what your main thing is, you’re about to face an operation on account of a tumor, and that tumor is in your side. That is right. That’s right. That’s what you’re here to be prayed for. If I could tell you what your name is, would you believe me to be His prophet, or believe that it would be right? Miss Holman, go on your road, rejoicing. See? God bless you. Believe now. Don’t doubt.

    « 200 How do you do, lady? Strangers to one another. You’re younger than I, just a woman and a man.
    201 Just a moment, everybody real reverent. Spirit of the Lord left here.
    202 This man sitting here, with glasses on, got a spiritual problem in your mind. You don’t know what to do. You’re all messed up. You believe, and you’ll come out all right. Yes, sir. You’ll do that? All right.
    Be reverent now.
    203 Here is a little lady, sitting right in here, she looking like this, with her hands, praying. She has got a bad hand that she is praying about. If you’ll believe, yes, God will make it well. I don’t know you, you don’t know me, but you touched Something. You never touched me; you’re twenty feet from me. Jesus Christ heals you. Your faith makes you whole.
    204 If that ain’t this same Jesus, the High Priest, that can be touched by the feeling of our infirmities! Don’t you believe that to be so? [Congregation says, “Amen.”–Ed.]

    « 205 Excuse me, I just have to follow the way That goes.
    206 Getting weak now, you see, just one… You know, our Lord, a woman touched His garment one time and He said…
    207 Pardon me, this colored lady sitting here, praying; gallbladder trouble, high blood pressure. Believe, lady, it’ll leave you. Amen.
    208 I looked, there was a colored lady standing here, see, her faith drew It right away. Amen.
    209 That lady right behind her, with asthma. If you’ll believe that God will make you well of that asthma, you can have it, also, if you’ll believe it.

    « 210 † You have a great desire in your heart, and that’s a–a legitimate desire. You want a baby. And the reason you can’t have it, you have a female trouble. And that’s true. [The sister says, “That’s what I put on the card.”–Ed.] All right, do you believe now that you’ll… that God will give it to you. [“Yes. That’s right.”] If the Lord Jesus will tell me who you are, will you believe? [“Yes.”] Mrs. Lambert. [“That’s right.”] Now you go, believe it. Does that make you believe. [“Amen.”] May she receive it, God, in the Name of Jesus Christ.
    Have faith!
    211 Sir, we’re strangers to one another, but God knows us both. Do you believe that the Lord Jesus will reveal to me your troubles? You do? You’re not from here. You’re not from Arizona. You’re from a way, east, Michigan. That’s right. Right. You have high blood pressure, hardening of the arteries, hard of hearing. It’s left you. Go back to Michigan, the Lord Jesus make you well.
    Have faith in God!

    « 212 † The lady sitting out here, praying for her father. He has got Parkinson’s disease. And the… I see him now, and he is shadowed. Not only is he shadowed to death, but to Eternal death, because he is not saved. That’s true. Do you believe that God will save him and heal him? If you’ve got faith enough to touch Jesus Christ, our High Priest, surely you can accept that.
    213 Now will you do me a favor? Put your hand on that woman next to you. She is praying for her brother. Yeah. That brother is sick, and he is also an alcoholic. That is true. Just believe, he’ll stop drinking and get well.
    “If thou canst believe, all things are possible!”

    « 214 † The lady sitting here, praying, right here in front of me, got her head down. I can tell you, she is praying, “Lord, let it be me.” The lady is… She is praying for a friend, and that friend is in the hospital here, dying with cancer; and for herself, also. She is going to miss it. Mrs. Kelly, stand up to your feet and accept the healing, in the Name of Jesus Christ. I never seen the woman, in my life.
    215 Do you believe God heals heart trouble? Do you believe He heals yours? All right, then just move on, saying, “Thank You, Dear God.”

  28. Hello
    As I hear of such men and women on here that look up to their Peers.
    So I will tell of my Peer. The Above and Below is absolute truth. All the discernment’s above was happening though out His whole ministry. The last part of his ministry was called the 3rd. Pull – The Lord told him that. His #1 pull would be healing, to bring in the sheep to hear the Word of God #2 Prophesying about the future and NOW things of that day and our day. Then came the 3rd. Pull. Teaching the real Truth for today’s hour and introducing “Christ Word” just like John taught the Word of God and recognized Jesus was the Word. All the people loved him until the 3rd. Pull.

    Jesus ministry was the same way. Jesus had Thus saith the Lord. Great healing ministry, Great Prophesying with Thus saith the Lord. And His 3rd. Pull was proving He was the Messiah by the Word HE Taught to them.
    Yet with all of that. The Sanhedrin was so jealous of Jesus and defamed him before the people. Killed by the Church of that day. Same with this Prophet.

    The Prophet came in 1933 to 1966 – Over 1 hundred thousand discernment’s and never a false one. Raised the dead in 5 documented cases where the people were absolutely documented they were Dead. Some are on the tapes he left the church. He left 11 hundred tapes. They were all in Oral Roberts University. And Other places. But the denominations mostly hated Him. Though he sent over a million converts to the Assembly of God. In his last 3rd pull they quit even sponsoring him cause He would not Baptize in Father, Son and Holy Ghost. So you see how it is today. Just like in Jesus day.

    Many have never heard of Bro.Branham. The 60’s got to much wisdom and went so intellectual of that day and were mostly denominations that would not let their people even go to his meeting. Yet He was Both Apostle and Prophet and Teacher. Went over the World 7 times as an evangelist as well.

    When Baptizing about 500 people one day in 1933. He was baptizing one and a Light from Heaven came down. And a Voice said to him —- As John the Baptist was the forerunner of my 1st.coming. Your ministry will be forerunner of the 2nd. coming. Indeed it was.

    Oral Roberts, Kenneth Hagen, Tommy Osborn, and Billy Graham as well. Many many others were taught and influenced by Bro. Branham. It’s to bad that many ostracized him. But that is the way of a true prophet.


    • Palisade, we don’t need William Brahman or any other minister of our days, of the past, or even of the Bible. We need Jesus alone and what He taught and did. If the Bible was only the four Gospels, it would be sufficient for all we need for life and godliness. After Jesus, there’s no special one minister meant to come. The Holy Spirit was given to all Christians so that Jesus would work through us all, not just a few special people. No one is saved our justified by their doctrinal beliefs but by their walk with Jesus. Anyone who says, “I follow this person, I follow that person” is immature as Paul said. We follow only Jesus and the obligation to love God and love others through actions. I’ve come to learn beyond all doubt that anyone who is truly saved will truly and very practically and expressively love and serve their fellow believers as well as unbelievers and that EVERYTHING beyond or besides this is not born in God and does not come from Jesus Christ. Paul agrees who says in 1Cor. 13 that no matter what we have or know or can do, we are completely nothing (ie. God will NOT credit anything to our account) if we don’t PRACTICE love for one another. It doesn’t matter what we believe or who we follow if we don’t first love and obey God and, as a result, routinely express love and physical acts of service to our fellow Christians and then to unbelievers as well. This is the mark of a real Christian or a person who is saved (who is justified before God and going to Heaven), and everyone who falls short is not saved as Jesus said, “By THIS will all men know that you are My disciples (Christians) if you have love for one another.” All other talk, activity, and trend are beside the point.

      • amen

        I true teacher will point to jesus, not himself.

        of course there are some who do that, and the students will still worship the teacher.

        • How unfortunate. Only animals truly behave in such a manner– dogs for example. There is a very real problem with human beings doing this kind of thing, because God did not create us to function that way. We were created from the beginning to follow and worship and walk with God, not to worship or follow others. Paul said that people who follow leaders rather than Christ are immature. Other great truths have been spoken.

          People who insist on following leaders don’t want to grow up and follow Christ. It’s like a person who grows with the years but insists on remaining a child (Michael Jackson sort of comes to mind and the Peter Pan syndrome). This kind of thing isn’t acceptable to God. Because of this leader-worship, God sometimes allows a good leader to be taken out of the way so that the people’s focus will return to Him. People (the fallen nature) are just so stiff-necked and wayward that it is sometimes an embarrassment to say that I too am a human being.

          When my best friend and I worked together, we said that if we ever owned or managed a business in the future, we would not tolerate butt-kissers (who are a dime a dozen in any workplace environment) and would operate on a three-strike rule: you kiss [our/the leaders’] butts three times, and you’re fired. I still maintain that. People must be real, sincere, genuine, honest, themselves and do what is right (which is follow Christ) rather than kissing butt and following people in positions of leadership. God did not make human beings to function in such a miserable and inferior capacity. I pray that the coming reformations come quickly, because everything has fallen to hell.

    • beacon

      branham seems to represent the “real church” i wrote about….but do not focus too heavily on a prophet from the past. focus on the jesus he taught about, and pray you can do what he did.

  29. Yes…a Christian is easily entreated, open, and keeps religion simple. The Father sent us Jesus to prove His love. It makes our hearts dance, remembering He is waiting to take us into His arms

  30. Dear arendale – Yes Love is all but faith =revelation of the word is right with it. . If you Love Jesus Christ it will show how much you love the word of God as well. If you really Love someone Faith will be right with it as well. Faith cometh by the hearing of the Word of God. Heb. 11

    you said – After Jesus, there’s no special one minister meant to come. The Holy Spirit was given to all Christians so that Jesus would work through us all, not just a few special people.

    Heb. 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    Heb. 1:2 Hath in these last days “spoken unto us by his Son”, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    Eph. 4: 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
    Eph. 4:8 – Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and “””gave gifts unto men.”””
    Eph. 4:11 And he=Jesus gave some, “”apostles””; and some, “”prophets””; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    Eph. 4:12 For the “”perfecting of the saints””, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    EPH 4:13 Till we “”all come in the unity of the faith””, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto “”a perfect man,”” unto the measure of the “”stature of the fulness of Christ:””

    Yea God never changes. He just magnifies the same things over and over fore the people to have at least see and heard the Word. Prophets preach absolute when they Say “Thus saith the Lord” . That is why most want to kill them or get rid of them. Absolutes today seem like fairy tales to the lost church.

    1. You said – After Jesus, there’s no special one minister meant to come.
    2. Ask that to Apostle Paul, Peter, James, and all .
    3. Paul was a gift to the Jew and Gentile. After Christ come.
    4. John was sent as a forerunner of the Messiah. It had to be.
    5. I know its hard for most people to understand that – The Lord God uses Man for to be His messengers. That includes all of us. Some greater some not. But we will get the reward if we testify for Jesus Christ and Love and live life with the Character of Jesus Christ. Your Character will identify your Nature.
    6. The O.T being done away did not hinder God from sending more Great Prophets even to our age. We should be looking for great men that have the Character of God and the power to prove it.
    7. Jesus Christ honored Bro. Branham’s ministry. By answering his prayers and his deep devotion to Christ like Character. If he was false – the Lord would not have honored his prayers.

    Lord bless you always arendale


    • I hate to say this, but I’ve read the Bible and am aware that God worked through people and works through people today. In fact, when I asked God once in 2009 why so many prayers are unanswered today, He replied, “Because those who pray don’t ACT.” In other words, as you should know, people pray and expect God to do everything. But, as I like to say and am proud to say, “PEOPLE answer prayers” which means that God must work through people most of the time in answering prayers or lending anything to anyone. As Jesus said when the religious leaders chastised Him for healing on the Sabbath, “My Father has been working UNTIL NOW, AND I TOO am working” (Jn. 5:17). We saw what God was doing (and is doing till now) in Heaven here on earth because Jesus, working in conjunction with God, ‘brought it to pass’ on earth. Today, we simply don’t see much of what God is doing “until now” because few people are working alongside Him. God is ALWAYS healing and delivering and raising the dead and providing and answering prayers… but man is rarely working alongside Him, therefore, we rarely see what God is doing in Heaven “until now”, because God is always working even if we aren’t. Jesus said, “My Father has been [acting]… AND I TOO am [acting].” But today, “those who pray don’t act.”

      What I am saying above is that God doesn’t choose any stars. MEN make men stars, but “God makes men what they are” which is never anything special. What we often really follow today is a leader’s gifts and personality rather than Christ in him and with honor as we are supposed to honor those who truly lead with Christ. The more ‘special’ God makes a man, the greater hardships he will have so that in the end, the least and the greatest are on the same exact page and on level ground. As Paul said about apostles, “I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. We are fools for Christ’s sake” (1Cor. 4). Many people call themselves apostles today, but according to the biblical standard or requirements for one to be recognized as an apostle, how many would apply for the job? Will most people recognize a prophet today if he does no signs, has no following, and simply calls people to repentance? Probably not. Let’s not be quick to think that we recognize God’s ministers. I don’t know Mother Teresa or William Branham nor do I know Kenneth Copeland or Billy Graham or Joel Osteen or John the Baptist; but I know Jesus Christ, and that’s who we are called to know. Everything else will unfold perfectly from there as He is the cornerstone of the foundation or the bedrock of the origin. “Before the mountains were brought forth or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, YOU are God” (Ps. 90:2).

  31. Simplicity is the “Mark of God”. That is true. So why then in this generation of men and woman always turning to the intellectual’s and science. After Israel came out of Babylon, Grecian, and Rome empires . They were scholars so called. The Sanhedrin and Priest had it made and were making big money off of Rome and the People. That is one of the big truths to their fall. Yet they were also so jealous of Jesus they could not recognize a simple man with great powers which was the Messiah. They all had it wrong. And hated Jesus Christ. When will people ever understand that this generation is the same as ours today. Its money and power from the world.

    God always sends a prophet in the beginning of an age or at the last of the age. The Prophet came at the beginning of the Laodiceans age. Remember that Jesus died in 33 a.d. but Israel with its Temple was destroyed in 70 a.d. so much for the O.T. A new Day was following
    So if you look at Christ birth till the end of the world of Temple worship by the Jews. It was a 70 year period. John and Jesus were right on time. So was Bro. Branham’s ministry.

    Lord bless you all and for your comments.

  32. The correct Millennium Doctrine

    The “lion and the lamb shall lay down together” is often cited a prophecy speaking of a literal utopia on earth “to come” future – a Golden Age – referred to as “The Millennium“. It is argued that since so many of the prophecies regarding The Christ’s first appearing were fulfilled literally, surely such prophecies of a Golden Age will also be fulfilled literally. This yet-to-come Golden Age (“The Millennium”) is spoken of as “Paradise Restored” – an age of Paradise on earth where there will be no death, sorrow, pain or sickness. The prophets described this era with the expression, “the lion and the lamb shall lay down together…” But there is a slight, ever so slight, problem with this: the expression, the lion and lamb shall lay down together does not occur in the Bible! The closest we can get to it Isaiah 11:6.
    ¶ The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
    and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them.
    Isaiah 11:6
    It’s interesting how many things are cited as if they are in the Bible. Like, one shall put a thousand to flight and two shall put ten thousand to flight is often quoted by leadership teachers about the power of an individual or a duo. But how many realize this citation refers to what Israel’s enemies could do to them if they broke Covenant with God (not what they would do to their enemies)? (Deut. 32:30)
    The particular almost-biblical-expression in question is used to promote “Pre-Millennialism” which is the idea that Christ will return and set up a Golden Age on earth for a thousand years where even normally carnivorous animals will become vegetarian. This idea has gained much popular paperback-theology endorsement. But I am proposing a quite different view for your consideration.

    In Tom Wright’s book, “Justification”, the master exegete and Biblical scholar describes the difficulty in challenging a view of Scripture which is almost universally accepted and taken for granted, in the same way that it must have been difficult for Copernicus to convince the world that the Sun did not revolve around the earth – but rather, that the earth rotated around the Sun. “Look” Copernicus’s objectors and scoffers might have contested, “each morning the Sun comes up then each evening it goes down. There you have it! The proof! The Sun goes around the earth.” But despite the objective data presented by Copernicus, the general perception continued and his objectors preserved the status quo, at least for a while.
    Perhaps in a similar way, what I am proposing might meet with similar Copernican objectors. I am going to attempt to show that Isaiah 11:6 should not be taken in a wooden literal sense. Having already shown that the expression the lion shall lay down with the lamb…does not occur in the Bible, I am going to argue that neither is the very concept proposed – a Golden Age on earth, called the Millennium – to be what the Bible teaches.
    “The wolf and the lamb shall graze together; the lion shall eat straw like the ox, and dust shall be the serpent’s food. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain,”says the LORD.

    Isaiah 65:25
    The Book of Isaiah employs metaphors. Metaphors are word pictures. The Promised Messiah is described in Isaiah as a “tender shoot” or a “root” (incidentally, both metaphors occur in Isaiah 11). These word pictures of the Christ paint Him as the hope of Israel and One who would be born as a child and grow. The particular metaphors in question: the wolf, is frequently used in the Old Testament to speak of Israel’s enemies. For example, Jeremiah speaks of Israel’s enemies as a lion, a wolf, and a leopard.
    ¶ Therefore a lion from the forest shall strike them down; a wolf from the desert shall devastate them. A leopard is watching their cities; everyone who goes out of them shall be torn in pieces, because their transgressions are many, their Apostasies are great

    Jeremiah 5:6
    Similarly, Israel is frequently described as lambs, or sheep. To speak of wolves and lambs laying down together, is to describe the effect of the New Covenant. That is, the largely ethnically-centred Old Covenant, would one day be replaced by the whole New World Covenant. The N.T Covenant where Jew and (the previously hostile enemy) Gentiles are brought together “under the same Covenant“.

    ¶ Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility
    Ephesians 2:11-14

    The context of “Isaiah 11” is the ministry and achievement of the Messiah. The resultant New Covenant would make peace between formally hostile enemies. There are some beautiful prophetic metaphors in “Isaiah 11” which describe this. Such as verse 18, The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den. This is not a picture of a Utopian Golden Era, referred to as The Millennium, rather it was a prophetic picture of the resultant peace from the spread of the New Covenant. How far will this New Covenant spread?
    For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.
    Isaiah 11:9b

    Of course, these various ideas come to affect how we understand the Book of Revelation. Some will continue to think that the Bible forecasts an earthly Utopia just as some continued to think that the Sun went around the earth in Copernicus’s day. To be sure, one day Christ will return, as the ancient creeds say, to judge all people and bring our dimensions to an end. In a sense, the New Heaven and the New Earth speaks of the New Covenant but it ultimately speaks of a time to come when –

    He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”
    Revelation 21:4

    In the meantime, the wolf lays down the lamb every time an Arab and a Jew find a common bond in knowing Christ as the Promised Prophet, Messiah and Saviour. And this is happening today perhaps more than people realise.
    – – –
    I have written a fuller explanation of the book of Revelation in my eBook- THE MOST EMBARRASSING BOOK IN THE BIBLE (click here to read a preview). The application from the Book of Revelation is that despite what appears to be an impotent Church struggling to serve an apparently impotent Christ, the Church is in reality made up of overcomers who lay down their lives gladly to promote Christ and His Gospel. In so doing, the Kingdom of Christ is extended, prayers are offered and heard, miracles are graced, and the believer can die with infinite hope that their Lord will keep them for eternity and clothe them with a new body which can not be subject to pain, injury, sorrow, or sin. With this knowledge we can endure momentary hardship during the brevity of this life on earth. We can be assured that our greatest delights and deepest moments of fulfilment are yet to come in the life to come.
    John 5:25 ¶ “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is NOW here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

    PS much much more could be said. If so so be it. Of the Miracles that just Jesus Christ did in front of thousands of people in His ministry years. Paul was bitten by a very poisonous snake and he just shook it off. Dead were raised. Food multiplied, thousands of devils coming out people. As well as Jew and Gentile coming together like a lamb and wolf. Serving the same God. Brings Peace, and Joy, and Comfort to all. The Angels sang this song at His birth. Yet most think it is in the Future.


  33. Ezekiel 33 tells us that not everyone has to repent. There are those who are righteouss and they can not repent but be worried not to fall because of sin. That may be one reason why many of us turn to the science.

    Matthew 5:
    19″Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20″For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

    It is very annoying to hear: Repent! Repent! if you have not done anything wrong?

    • tapio

      I do not think that ezechiel 33 says that not everyone has to repent. it indicates that anyone can sin, and so therefore, if they do sin, they need to repent. being righteous does not make one immune to committing future sin, so anytime a righteous person sins, they need to repent also. if they dont, they will be considered wicked.

      the bible says the righteous man falls 7 times a day….so there is always a reason to examine our lives.

      I can understand the annoyance of hearing sermons to repent, if one is leading a fairly good life, and the preacher not in touch with his own congregation, and acts like no one is saved in the congregation. I can remember sitting there thinking, I have already repented, so talk about something else….

      Repentance is actually needed on a daily basis. we may not do “big sins,” but there are always erroneous thoughts, slips of tongue, misplaced anger, sins of omission, attitude issues, weak faith issues, prayerless-ness issues,
      etc. think about it. how many christians go to bed each night without praying for those who are being martyred? how many fail to pray? how many fail to thank god for the small things? how many had prideful or egotistical thinking that day? how many have neglected the poor that day?

      the preacher needs to construct his sermon to reflect that he knows he is talking to saved people. he should be encouraging them to examine mistakes they have made, and make corrections…..

      • Jesus said no human is good…and scripture says the goodness of humans is just a used menstrual rag. Anyone who imagines themselves good has very, very low standards.
        Only in the next life will most people learn what the mercy of God prevented them from doing… prevented them in thousands of ways, to give them every possible shot at Heaven.
        I’m sorry, this legalism just doesn’t square with me. Jesus didn’t come to make Boy Scouts. Marcus Aurelius made boy scouts…all the pagans had wonderful rules for building virtue.

        • Well said. “There is no one good, no not one.” Many Christians think that “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God'” applies to atheists first and then unbelievers secondly. It, however, applies to anyone, Christians first, who lives AS IF God will not call them to account and hold them accountable for how they lived. That’s why it says, “in his heart”; the Bible shows that the thoughts of the heart (not the conscious thoughts we think in our minds) are beliefs, attitudes, character in us and so says, “Guard your heart, for out of IT are the issues of life.” That said, I believe that the worst people I have met in this life and on this planet are the people who believe (not think in their heads but believe in their hearts) that they are good people; they were and are exempt from doing good, because their goodness is not based on what they do or don’t do but on who they are. Most of them cannot be reformed and will not repent, because they are already ‘saved’ and have no reason to change.

      • Well said.

  34. Well I reckon you all don’t want to talk about the Millennium but I’m not surprised. So be it.


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