Reincarnation and Christianity

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Many on earth have a reincarnation based belief system.

From what I see, the bible does not support this doctrine, but teaches against this in principle.

This is a discussion of how Reincarnation differs from Christianity. I am not advocating it.

I understand, however, that there are some who profess Christianity, and actually believe in this thought system.

This has to do with interpretation of scripture on a physical, vs. spiritual, level.

Because there are those who see themselves as Christians but believe in reincarnation, there may be some debate on this topic.

As always, I expect people to back up their statements with proper interpretation of scripture.

Definitions

Reincarnation is believed to occur when the soul or spirit, after the death of the body, comes back to life in a newborn body. This doctrine is a central tenet within the majority of Indian religious traditions, such as Hinduism, Jainism, and Sikhism; the Buddhist concept of rebirth is also often referred to as reincarnation.

The idea was also fundamental to some Greek philosophers and religions as well as other religions, such as Druidism, and later on, Spiritism, and Eckankar. It is also found in many small-scale societies around the world, in places such as Siberia, West Africa, North America, and Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation

The Egyptians also believed in reincarnation or the transmigration of the soul.

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/r/reincarnation.html

In this belief system, one can reincarnate as either a human or an animal, from what I understand.

Also, one’s current life is the result of past life mistakes coming back for restitution.

In other words, your current life is the punishment or reward for past lives.

Judgment does not occur in heaven or hell. It occurs in the next physical life.

Pre-existence

In this belief system, Jesus is a Divine Master who incarnated many times, and achieved perfection finally in his last incarnation.

He is to return, and live out a life as a human again and get married.

This would also imply that there is a woman somewhere who is just as divine as Jesus, for her to be a perfect match for Him.

This is just not true.

Jesus never existed on earth in the physical form of a human living out his life.

He did come as a spirit a few times, but he did not incarnate.

This is because the pre-existence of Jesus was heavenly, in glory, and not of the earth.

If you look closely at John 3, you will see that is not a physical rebirth, but a spiritual one.

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Jhn 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old?

can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?

Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jhn 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Also in Hebrews, it says that we only die once, indicating then, that we can only live once as well.

This refutes the doctrine of reincarnation, which holds that we are born, die, and reborn repeatedly, until we achieve perfection:

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

There are no passages in scripture that suggest people live multiple lifetimes.

Divinity of Jesus

Reincarnation refers to the constant effort of humans to achieve a godlike character by multiple lifetime efforts.

Jesus is the son of God, and is divine. He already has a godlike character, and He has been this way from before the beginning of time.

He therefore does not need to endlessly incarnate to achieve perfection. He was and is already perfect from the beginning, meaning in eternity.

Luk 1:35   And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Mat 26:63   But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 26:64   Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said [it]: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mat 8:29   And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Jesus is the son of God, and by him, and through him, we can become sons of God as well.

Jhn 1:11   He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Jhn 1:12   But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Works

We have to realize, that on our own, we will never reach perfection, even after a million life times.

It is only through the atonement of Jesus on the cross, that we can be saved, and be “perfect enough” to be worthy of heaven.

It is not our works, or our life, that has value. Even the most righteous person fails on a daily basis.

2Ti 1:9   Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Tts 3:5   Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

It is the works of Jesus, while we repent of our sins, and accept his forgiveness, that merits heaven.

Reincarnation is man’s attempt to endlessly be “reborn” until he achieves godhood. The bible says there is ONLY one God.

The Bride

The bride of Christ is the Church, or body of believers, not a single woman

Rev 21:9 ¶ And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

The true bride of Christ is the one covered by the blood of Jesus who gave his life for it.

One day, He will come and call up his bride into heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb.

This marriage will occur in heaven, not on earth. It is the marriage of Christ with his saints, who will make up the heavenly city.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

** notice that the “she” who is the bride is actually plural, because she = the saints.

Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Born Again

So, the only way to be “born again,” according to Jesus, is to be reborn spiritually.

This involves casting away a life of sin, expressing true sorrow, and asking for forgiveness from God.

Mat 4:17   From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Then we ask that the punishment we deserve for our sins be covered by the blood atonement Jesus made for our sins.

Only the sacrifice of Jesus is acceptable to wipe away our sins, and make us perfect before God. He spoke of this at the last supper:

Mat 26:26 ¶ And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Mat 26:27   And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

Mat 26:28   For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

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Final note

Jesus did not live and die for any other reason than to save us, to open the door of eternal forgiveness, and to make us perfect before God by his holiness, self sacrificial love, and righteousness.

We cannot achieve this ourselves, because we are unable to present a sinless sacrifice, like Jesus did.

Only a sinless person can approach the throne of God.

Only Jesus qualifies, as a holy and divine being, as mediator for us, who are not worthy.

While the doctrine offers an interesting, but false hope of achieving ascension or final perfection, it is really a doctrine of despair.

The thought having to endure the trials of this life in an almost endless fashion, trying to achieve “godhood” is futile and depressing.

The evil in this world is more than sufficient for just one life.

To endure this constant evil repeatedly, while trying to overcome it, is unrealistic, and horrible.

And to also condemn oneself as being responsible for the hardships one is born into due to a past life is unfair and cruel.

The evils in this life are due to Satan’s work, not a past life.

Reincarnation passes the blame for evil from Satan to the innocent, new born child.

A just God would never allow this.

Only God can overcome evil perfectly.

I hope this is more clear now.


136 Responses to “Reincarnation and Christianity”

  1. Thank you..that is true..God bless

  2. Peoples are always looking in reincarnation as a scape to their lifes, they want to belives that they were happiest in another life or will be happiest in the next reincarnation, simple because they don’t life their life, but more important of all, the God of this century (Satan) have make them belived like in the garden of Eden, you shall not surely died…….is the first Devil lie to the human been!……….

  3. Marianne, sometimes, life can be quite enjoyable. The teaching of reincarnation sees life only as an endless sequence of suffering. It leads to an erosion of sympathy since any suffering you may experience is your fault from your previous life. This means you are not born innocent just because you are helpless.
    As much as it pains me to say, reincarnation gives you at least a second chance. If you miss this life’s chance then you are done for eternity. This does not only include totally evil people but those who were honestly trying but for whatever reason missed it. In that light what do think is more horrible?

    • gyod

      I think reincarnation judges success by worldly standards, not godly ones.

      Missing it ? If someone is really trying, God will help them succeed in their spiritual life. He does not guarantee money and fame. With God’s love, their “really trying” will make unnecessary a second chance, because they really got it right the first time. All God wants is our best effort.

      The false hope of a second chance is appealing, until you realize you could do worse in the next life.

      • Jesus warned us that many will try to enter the Kingdom of Heaven but will not be able to do it.
        Hell is the worst that can happen to you. Anyone in there will be glad to go back to their life regardless of how bad it must have been.

  4. I felt compassion for the survivors of the Japan earthquake and tsunami who lost so many family members. And in the news coverage of survivors I observed …at least in my opinion…a lack of expression of grief one would likely see in America were the same to happen. Curious about the ‘why’ of it…I figured the answer was likely found in their religious belief systems….so I went looking. Bingo! Many Japanese believe in reincarnation into air, water, stone…and so forth. Everyone comes up ‘roses’ so to speak.

    • elias

      I hope the Japanese will see that Buddha did not help or protect them, and they will seek a greater and more perfect God.

    • Wow I thought that only monks in some other country believe that. To the point that not even bugs were to be disturbed. I also thought that it was how they were raised (not the religious aspect, but a mere cultural difference).

  5. Hi Marianne, pls a lil’ prayer for my son and me; we are just a bit sick. Nothing big.

    I scrolled down b/c I want to tell all of you that I cannot get the name of Melchizedec off of my head. WHY? I have gone online multiple times and this “King of Justice” is a perfect topic to discuss in this thread.

    I need assistance with this, because I want some answers to several religious/religion/faith and what’s to come. If I ever come across this Melchizedec (in Spanish, Melquisedec) and “The Order Of Melchizedec” will be very appreciated. FYI I DO believe in reincarnation b/c of an experience I had several years ago, and also an interview with Gloria Estefan where she is certain her daughter’s reincarnation is her grandmother. Another one, I saw on TV a report/documentary of this kid that at three, was quite into aircraft, had many dreams and nightmares and with a thorough investigation on the matter (he could point out in a map in WW2) when “he was a pilot” on his death, and finally found an old surviving relative of that pilot that died on a dogfight. That old lady gave the beautiful blond child something that belonged to her (son?) I can’t remember.

    • hi thepalinexpress

      Maybe Melchizedec is on your mind because some claim Jesus is the reincarnation of him. I can see how someone would believe in this doctrine. Since the bible seems to be un-supportive of this, that is where I have to stay for now. WHile I could stretch myself and consider that I have been here before in human form, I could not stretch myself enough to believe Jesus had multiple lifetimes. I got the idea for this post from a syrian christian who said his whole church believes this way.

      • Yeah I see your point. The thing is that it’s been DAYS, like a broken record inside my mind, that name. From the Bible Melchizedec met Abraham and is mentioned again in Acts, I believe. So it is a big mystery. Some people believe that Melchizedec was God Himself (according to different interpretations, translations from different languages) and the same for Jesus Christ.

        Perhaps we will know soon, perhaps this person is still walking around on Earth and never dies (?!??!??!?!) Yes it’s hard to wrap my head around that one, but I am “given” this message; when it’s like a broken record I have to find a way to stop it; I do, then it starts over again several days later.

        Frustrating!!

        • If this helps…. Melchizedec means king of righteousness in Hebrew…. so this could have been an early appearance of Jesus…the only human so far to merit a title like that.

  6. Marianne,

    You are mistaken on so many levels…

    “The evil in this world is more than sufficient for just one life.”

    The evil upon human soul will last for 6,000 years , that is from the moment of Adam’s sin until Judgment Day…Adam was punished until rectification of his sin – that is all the sparkles of his souls that would incarnate in humanity…

    There is no other way to explain that God in ten commandments punishes sinners until third or fourth generation…why would God full of JUSTICE punish children for sins of the father? But, God punishes the very same person in third generation OR fourth generation (in case if his great-grandfather is still alive, that’s why it says 3rd or 4th – to wait until death of great-grandparents);

    Notice, Jesus did NOT deny assertion of Nicodemus that man can come out of the womb for the second time, he agreed with it and took it to the next level, namely that cycle of reincarnation does not guarantee for person to change, until the person is born in spirit in one of the reincarnations;

    Also, when Pharisees said that crippled man was punished because of the sins his fathers (bad karma), Jesus did NOT deny that people get punished for sins of the father, rather that this SPECIAL case was an exclusion, and that man could not walk only because he was destined to meet the Lord, and through him Lord would demonstrate his glory;

    Marianne, I am sorry to say that, but I don’t trust in things you say anymore…I find it problem that you deny that Jesus Christ if The Lord and God of Israel; I find it problem that you don’t acknowledge that the endtime Church went corrupt and that Christians use psychedelic drugs to achieve astral projection in America, as did Israelites in the desert via idolatry of golden calf; So, please take me and my family and friends off from your prayer list, please check your spirituality, because your prayers do not work and could go to the wrong places; I hope you understand that it is not personal, but I care for you and love you in Christ!

    Indian beleif in Karma is quite primitive that’s true, but Torah and Jewish tradition teaches that “sins of the fathers” ot “merit of the fathers” are our own sins or merits and that generations always return until they don’t rectify their sins; Our generation is reincarnation of the generation of the flood and Sodom and and Tower of Babylon, so the Jews are reincarnation of Israelites who were in the desert…this is the only way to explain how Torah reading resembles modern daily News!

    • gavriel

      Where are you getting these ideas about me? Show me where I ever denied Jesus is Lord. And I do acknowledge the end-time Church is corrupt. I have several posts on it. I don’t know anything about psychedelic drugs in the church in America, so I cannot comment. I do not attend church. Where did you hear the Israelites used psychedelic drugs in the desert? That is not in the Torah. Also, they were poor slaves, where would they get such drugs?

      My impression of reincarnation is that it is not true. How you and I differ is on interpretation. We can suffer for the sins of our fathers. If my father goes to prison, I will suffer not just the loss of the presence, but public shame, and everything he could have helped me with. Children every day suffer in poverty because of mistakes their parents or grandparents made. In the same way, children can be protected and blessed by the good deeds of their righteous parents.

      your comment really confuses me. I love you too. May God bless you always.

  7. Marianne,

    Please don’t take anything personally, simply that I am very cautious about spirituality and have to guarg myself from errors;

    You said that Jesus, Th Son, is seperate entiry from The Father, and has less authority and that trinity is not three-fold character of God, and that rather there are three seperate God’s in heaven, it was in comments during conversations, that is pantheism and denies the truth of Torah that there is only one authority in heaven – God of Israel;

    Exodus 16:14 – the thing called manna is none the other than psy-mushrooms: “And when the layer of dew was gone up, behold upon the face of the wilderness a fine, scale-like thing, fine as the hoar-frost on the ground.” – also explains why it turned putrid and worms in thei tents, and why Lord “tested” Israelites with manna – it opened door to astral projection, so Israelites would decide whether they worship God or the devil…but, they had prophet like Moses so its use was justified, but since they entered the land it became prohibited; Today psychedelics are used for devil worship, because it takes only one hit to open the third eye;

    Your explanation of “sins of the fathers” contradicts Torah, Torah specifically speaks of supernatural punishment of children for sins of the fathers even after many generations…also explains why in ten commandments God doesn’t mention “second generation”, because person cannot incarnate in his own children, but can incarnate in grand-children (if person is dead by the time his grand-children are born) or into great-grand-children – that is fourth generation mentioned in Torah;

    We are in the end of days, devil tricks even the elected, when praying in other tongue than hebrew it is not quite safe, it needs very strong guidance from the Holy Spirit, when praying in hebrew it is much safer because words and phrases itself are holy;

    I hope and pray that Holy Spirit guides you to the truth and for us to avoid delusions which are not in Torah but are tricks of the unclean spirits, thank you for everything, but from this moment on I think I can handle everything myself.

    Happy Passover and Lord’s ressurection (“easter that is);

    • gavriel

      My position on the relationship of jesus with the Father was taken directly from scripture.

      I said the trinity was not equal, because Jesus said so. Look at the post again

      He said the father was greater than he was.

      he declared in prayer to the Father in prayer in John 17: 1-3

      Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

      read that whole chapter. These are the words of Jesus.

      Jesus distinguished himself from the father, and said he only did what he saw the father do and say in heaven. He came to do the father’s will, indicating that the father was the decision maker.

      the authority of jesus was elevated after his time on earth to be sitting on the right hand of God the father in heaven with full authority.

      Jesus is divine, as his father is divine.

      they are one in each other.

      reincarnation is just a rabbincal opinion and interpretation. It is not clearly stated in scripture so I don’t believe it.

    • Hey Gavriel,

      You wrote “Exodus 16:14 – the thing called manna is none the other than psy-mushrooms: “And when the layer of dew was gone up, behold upon the face of the wilderness a fine, scale-like thing, fine as the hoar-frost on the ground.” ”

      Are you saying that the Israelites were eating “mushrooms” and were HIGH? LOL🙂

    • Gavriel

      Why would God tell the Israelites to eat psy-mushrooms?

      Also, they did not display any hallucinations after eating them, so why would anyone say that the manna was psychedelic?.

      • It says that God gave them manna in order to test them…how testing can apply to manna if it was merely wheat or barely? It has nothing to do with hallucinations, rather shrooms give access to dark spirit world and fuels sorcery via contact with spirits or devil himself; Golden calf was made via sorcery…Israelites were TESTED by God because God opened their third eye by giving them manna, but nonetheless God wanted to see whether Israelites would be loyal to God or fall into idol-worship…Israelites “saw voices” on Mount Sinai, that’s quite a bit of hallucination…it’s true that God was behind all the miracles, but sorcery was also strong – they didn’t fashion golden calf but just threw gold into melting pot and the result was a bull (the devil), only to be covered by Aaron with face of a young calf – to weaken its impact;

        On use of psychedelics by Americans: http://lsdexitozamerica.org/home.html

        • Wow…..gavriel, what did you eat for dinner last night? LOL

          • I ate Matzot, Charozet and Maror;

            I don’t use psychedelics, but I know that different sects in Israel give to the young people these drugs to seduce them with witchcraft and sell them to the devil; It is very big problem and that is I am worried, this aren’t simply drugs, but the reason why many poeple lose their souls, so not only their physical life becomes messed up, but their eternity is put on trial;

  8. BTW, regarding reincarnation, I agree that Jesus never existed in other physical forms on earth, simply because He is our Creator, while reincarnation is applied only after Adam sinned – his soul broke into sin hundread thousand pieces to be incarnated in his descendants;

    David says that he existed before he was actually born:

    “Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance, and in Thy book they were all written even the days that were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.” (Ps. 137:16)

    • Gavriel

      Manna was given to FEED them, not test them.

      Exd 16:15 And when the children of Israel saw [it], they said one to another, It [is] manna: for they wist not what it [was]. And Moses said unto them, This [is] the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.

      David was describing God knowing him in the womb, before he was born.

      That is a weird website. It sounds like the writer is on LSD himself. LSD is not a common use drug in the USA anyhow. Cocaine is the problem now.

      Hashem is not a god of psychedelic testing and sorcery. Satan is.

      • Really?

        “Then said the LORD unto Moses: ‘Behold, I will cause to rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day’s portion every day, that I may put them to the TEST, whether they will walk in My law or not” (Ex 16:4)

        “…who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not; that We might afflict thee, and put thee to the TEST, to do thee good at thy latter end.(8:16)

        David says:

        My frame was not hidden from Thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

        David couldn’t refer to womb as “lowest parts of the earth”;

        “Unformed substance” is spiritual non-physical body, not unborn child;

        • ok. my translation says “prove them” not test them.

          but you are still wrong.

          God did not test them with psychedelic drugs

          He was just testing them to see if they would just gather what was needed (one day’s worth) or be greedy and gather more. Verse 3 says that they were used to eating a lot of bread in Egypt. Here God is telling them to control what they eat, and not overdo it.

          • the hebrew term is “lenasot” – to test from “nisayon” the test, and means exactly that;

            God told them to collect enough because it grew putrid and worms, that was not part of the test because he didn’t punish them when they collected too much – that was no implication that they didn’t walk in the laws of God, but that manna had quality of growing worms and putrid in their tents (further proof, because mushrooms grow putrid)

  9. May a Christian Believe in Reincarnation?

    http://www.atmajyoti.org/sw_xtian_believe_reinc.asp#13A

    • Well…..I do know that my aunt has the personality traits of JEZEBEL! ha! LOL

      Does that make me Elijah!? LOL

      *thought you would enjoy that one Marianne🙂

      • Posession is reverse version or devil’s version of reincarnation…it is God who puts spirit in new born child, but devil afflicts humans with unclean spirits, like Jezebel spirit;

    • gavriel

      Do not quote a pagan hindu to convince Christians of a pagan belief.

      This swami has no clue how to interpret the bible. The hindus believe in hundreds of gods. So why would you listen to any of them? They also believe that Krishna, a reincarnation of Visnu, had 4 arms. Krishna also liked to fool around with women. To equate Jesus with him is an abomination.

      “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.”

      The great and dreadful day of the Lord has not occurred yet, but it is coming.

  10. HP wrote “We have to be baptised in the Father, The Son and in the Holy spirits name to be reborn on Earth again. ”

    acts 2:38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will RECEIVED THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    Being “born again” is a spiritual birth. Being baptized in water is symbolic only and being baptized in the Holy Spirit is your cleansing.

    When we are physically born we are born into a sinful world. We have to be “reborn” spiritually.

    Elijah was heavily anointed of G-d. I believe that what is being talked about regarding John the baptist is that He had the anointing of Elijah which comes from the Holy Spirit. John the baptist received the Holy Spirit/the anointing while he was in his mothers womb.

  11. HP

    You are saying JEsus was not sinless, he had a satanist as a lover, and since

    “God doesn´t want to have anything to do with people who has something in common with Satan. They are not welcome to Christianity.”

    you are saying Jesus was not a Christian.

    Well, that is quite a novel conclusion.

    You have a very physical, rather than spiritual interpretation of God and the bible.

  12. How does one say “you are totally whacked” “in love” ha!

  13. Can you show me where in the bible it says that Jesus had a lover?
    Also, What does being born of a woman have to do with reincarnation? are we not all born of a woman?

  14. 😛

  15. No, I’m practicing symbols (faces)

  16. bye guys, see-ya tomorrow
    Allah hafij

  17. what other sources?
    Who was Jesus in your opinion?

  18. HP
    What you are saying is blasphemous. You are not a Christian if you do not believe that Jesus was divine. He lived a perfect life in human form, facing the temptations of the devil and overcoming them. As such, his death on the cross was the perfect Lamb sacrifice for all sin. The Right church is the one that accepts this. Your secret books are the books of Satan, and not the Word of God. Christ’s Kingdom is not of this world, and therefore a spiritual and heavenly Kingdom. If you are looking for a church to save you, your faith is severely misguided. I am not a lutheran nor a catholic, nor do I claim my baptist church has any power to save me. It is only the blood of Jesus that saves us. This takes faith to believe, the kind of faith that distinguishes a Christian from a non-christian. “I rest my faith on nothing less, than Christ, his blood, and righteousness.” these are the words of hymn which we sing in church and says it all.
    what you are saying, by cheapening Christ and his sacrifice, is that our works are capable of saving us (what church we belong to). When we have faith in our works, it is akin to placing ourselves in bondage. Bondage to the church, bondage to our sinfullness, and bondage to our works. Christ came to free us from this bondage. The ONLY WAY for this to occur, is if Jesus was fully God, and fully human. As such, I have tested your spirit as I John 4:1-6 says to do and found it to not be of God. I suggest that you stop relying on those “secret books” and start searching for the Truth in the divinely inspired “Word of God”.

  19. HP
    If you want to understand the concept of the trinity, I suggest you search the Coptic churches creeds on the trinity.

    • dru

      I am not sure which church Hp belongs to. AS far as nationality, as they say in the south, “he is not from around these parts.” It sounds like he has been reading the Davinci Code.

      • I think in our previous discussions, HP is from Syria? I thought that HP might have been a maronite, but the beliefs are way out there for a Maronite. Eastern Orthodox is the claim, but I have never heard the satanist stuff. So yes I agree with you, DaVinci code stuff. Perhaps he/she will answer our question.

  20. Proverbs 30:6 DO NOT ADD to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

    Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

    Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

    Deuteronomy 4:2 DO NOT ADD to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

    Deuteronomy 12:32 See that you do all I command you; DO NOT ADD to it or take away from it.

    • HP said “We know that we will not be punished for adding things to our faith.”

      See above scriptures….not good for those who want to ADD to the scriptures

  21. HP is a mystery man. 🙂

  22. Sounds like illuminati stuff! Good luck with your secrets. When Jesus reveals himself in his Fullness your secrets also will be revealed for what they are, contradictory to the Gospel. Truth does not hide from those with the Spirit of Truth.

  23. hey huys

  24. hey guys

  25. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanhoe

  26. Et cum spiritu tuo ! 🙂

    • Your losing me with the latin? which character is hp talking about?

      • Ahh!! Wamba. sheep in wolfs clothing, or wolf in sheeps clothing?

      • Wamba was the jester, son of Witless, who was the son of Weatherbrain, who was the son of an Alderman, a “fool by right of descent.” But Gurth acknowledged he was NOT a fool since Prince John addressed him as a noble champion.

        HP said to me…. Peace be with you.

        I replied….. And with your spirit.

        Traditional latin blessing.

        • I had to translate the latin. You know I’m a baptist, and we are not into the tongues thing!

          • careful dru, I once was a baptist too….The Holy Spirit is no respecter of religions😉 LOL

            Imagine the look on my BAPTIST mom’s face when I told her I received the baptism in the HS and was hearing languages/tongues! laughing🙂

  27. Hp
    You are taking the verse WAY out of the context.!! Jesus was referring to the comment “Good teacher” made by the rich man. It was a query to find out if this rich man understood Jesus Divinity. By making this inquiry, Jesus was not denying his divinity, but affirming it. In the end the rich man did not understand Jesus divinity, for he had another god in his life he was serving, namely his possessions, and he could not give them up.

    You said “We have not added a word to the bible…” But then you say “The only thing we have changed is that we ADDED Maria M as a saint. This is outside the bible.” No you have not added words to the bible, but you are guilty of adding and taking away from the faith that Jesus taught in the bible. By quoting verses grossly out of context as you did above, you are altering the Gospel. Even Satan Quoted scripture when trying to tempt Christ. I suggest that you reexamine what it is you believe, for you are heading towards damnation rather than salvation. For what you are saying is not in the Bible, and never was!!

  28. Well, if you don’t believe what Jesus said 2011 years ago, then how are you going to believe Him when He returns?

    “my sheep know my voice” Jesus says

    What you have stated above is not true and goes against scripture which is the final authority. Anything outside of the scriptures is man made and is man’s opinion.

    According to Zechariah 14:16, there will be survivors and NATIONS.

    http://www.bartleby.com/108/38/14.html

    What you are believing in according to your words is indeed a LIE.

    To know the truth, one must adhere only to the words of truth which are found ONLY within the Word of G-d, the Holy Bible, which was written by the Holy Spirit-G-d’s Spirit who is also the Spirit of Truth.

    Again, anything outside of the words written by G-d’s Spirit is man made-not from G-d and is only opinion and in this case a LIE FROM HELL.

    If you are truly interested in the TRUTH then the Holy Bible is the only book that you should be reading.

  29. HP wrote “Jesus don´t like you people.”

    Jesus LOVES everyone and gave His life for EVERYONE.

    Jesus is not interested in religions. Those who believe in Jesus Christ as being the Son of G-d are grafted into the covenant made between Abraham and G-d. We are circumcised of the heart!

    The TRUE CHURCH are those who worship G-d in Spirit and in TRUTH.

    John 4:22 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the TRUE WORSHIPERS will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

    25The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

    26Then Jesus declared, “I who speak to you am he.”

    notice “salvation is from the JEWS” and “JESUS IS THE MESSIAH”.

    • It always amazes me, when you point out an error in interpretation, an obvious one like Mark 10:18, How they will still defend their interpretation.

  30. Excuse me, But we do not fast on mon.,or wed.? Where did you get that?
    So you do not believe in Jesus geneology, therefore you are altering the word of God? You are also putting your “other sources” as more important than the Word of God. This is blasphemy.

    The only book I put my faith in is the Bible. The Word of God. He said to go and preach his Good news to ALL the world, not write it down in a secret book and withhold it from people. This is another place where you are contadicting scripture, and The Word of God. If you are of the true church as you say, then you would not have this exclusivity. The true church from the word of God is the one that believes that Jesus is God, was God, and always will be God. As Jesus himself says, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” No reincarnation, and No secrecy in those statements. As your secret books may or may not say “I am” is the literal translation of Yahweh, I AM THAT I AM as God told Moses.

    Your churches beliefs are not in line with the Gospel of Jesus. I have told you to reexamine your beliefs. If you do begin this, then we will talk further, if not, I will no longer be distracted by your comments, as it will not edify. God bless.
    BTW, I am not a Lutheran, nor Protestent, I am a Christian, a follower of the “Way”. My Identity and faith Are in Jesus, and not a church. I am assured of my salvation by the Holy Spirit which dwells in me. If He did not like me, I would not have that assurance. This is Immanuel, God with us.

  31. Marianne

    I agree with you reincarnation is impossible. If the bible says so as the tree falleth so shall it lie, then how can it be reincarnated

    It also says a rich man died and went to hell in Luke 16:24-26 And he cried and said,
    Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

    Here is another one; Hebrew 9:27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, If you were coming back you wouldn’t be facing the judgment.

    Regarding your comments Gavriel you need help and prayer against your thoughts! I can assure you these are not your thoughts. God did not give us a spirit of fear either, but if the enemy can crepe in with supplanted lies as your thoughts and you accept them then he can start to destroy you.

    He seeks to put a yoke on everyone. But if you are a child of God you have his yoke until you take the yoke of the enemy with his lies. Jesus Christ died to destroy the yoke of the enemy and to put us at liberty, to give us salvation and healing freely.

    You must reject these lies you are in the beginning of a serious trial but if you reject this lie the Father will be glorified in your overcoming by the Lords blood. Listen to what I tell you hear the words of God and tell the demonic force to take a hike that he is rebuked in the name of Jesus Christ.

    Look what we are told in 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

    You are having what is referred to as a vein imagination. Please read this information and if you need help after ask Marianne to direct you to my email. I will gladly pray with you against this attack, I went through it myself and I spent a period of time like the Jewish children roaming around in the enemies wilderness. The Lord said when I came out that I should help others who are going through it, so I offer my help.

    Jeremiah 18:12 But they will reply. ‘It’s no use. We will continue with our plans; each of us will follow the stubbornness of his evil heart.'”

    The Apostle James told us not to give place to satan, this is what he is talking about.

    John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. If you let him he will destroy you by his supplanted words you are now taking as your own? Wake up!

    To believe his lies is to put an opening in your armor. What did Apostle Paul say in Ephesians 6:11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. Then it says in Ephesians 6:13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. So no you wonder why???

    Here is what I tell you; you belong to God or you would not be going through this test. Look at it doesn’t say if it comes but when it comes, read it; Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

    Know this God won’t do for one what he has done for another. Hold on to his unchanging hand, he will never leave you nor forsake you. We walk away from him this is when many back slide. Anger is trying to creep in.

    Understand what Jesus said; we can’t straddle a fence about salvation. You can pretend about many things and then you are living a life of lies. Let me explain it this way. Can I listen to someone tell an off colored joke and then go on as if I did noting? Then what makes me different or set apart from the man of sin? No if I do I will have to repent for the children of God follow our savior who died for us, he was with out spot and without blemish.

    Gavriel you said you think God gave the Jews drugs on the journey to the promise land while they wondered around 40 years. You right now are going through your own journey for your promised land! Do you know what that promised land is; your mansion in Heaven. But in order to get it we must overcome the enemy.

    You are in the battle of your overcoming!! Don’t give up, repent to God for believing the serpent he is lying and telling vain imaginations to everyone. If you think I am wrong then tell me this why the Bible says he lied to the whole world?

    Understand this “mana” is a mushroom but “Manna” is the bread that miraculous appeared to feed the Jewish children on their journey.

    To show you I am right read; Exodus 16:31 And the house of Israel called its name Manna; and it was like coriander-seed, white; and the taste of it was like cake with honey. How does this seem like drugs that make people to have visions? Another demonic lie.

    The devil is a liar and he is against the kingdom of God and he will put thoughts in an innocent mind but God put me here to hear your need and send you back to the kingdom of Heavens control. You need to Repent to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ and tell the enemy that he is rebuked by the Lord God.

    HP

    HP to believe Jesus was a loose person with spot or blemish is the devils way of putting a yoke upon your neck. It is a lie; if the church is to be as follows; 2 Peter 3:14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

    Now read about my savior the Christ Jesus, Hebrews 9:14 says; How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! It also says in Ephesians 5:2 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

    So Hp to me it is obvious you need someone to help you study the word of God. Jesus was the only perfect one and he is the way the true and the life and no man go to the Father but by him.

    Read what it says in 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

    HP, for your further understanding who told you Jesus was evil? It is not my Jesus, because he was the Christ where the name Christian comes from.

    To say such a thing is not a laughing matter. If you are quoting Davinci Code you should stop unless you are willing to go to Hell with him unless he repent. It would be wrong for me to read what you wrote and not correct it to the word even if you don’t accept it. I don’t want your blood and soul on my hands.

    My Jesus was the only perfect man who walked and I am proud to tell you I know him and because of my relationship with him my name if written in the lambs book of life. It is the only thing the Lord lets us have pride in but if I don’t keep myself right with him I could perish in hell where many others are going unless they change their ways!

    Do you have hope of salvation? or Do you believe you are saved and prepared to meet God? I know you are not an Eastern Orthodox, nor do I think you are a Coptic either. Are you a Hindu? Because the things you are saying are not lining up with the word of God.

    The one I follow as John the Baptist said I am not worthy to latch his shoes. He was the son and the spirit and he was there in the beginning making him also God.

  32. HP
    As I said, I will not be distracted by your comments. Take some time and study the bible. study the writings of the early church fathers. Read up on theology, and then you will understand. Unless Jesus was fully divine, his sacrifice meant nothing.

  33. HP
    Here are the scriptures you requested proving that Jesus Christ is not only Lord, but King and God.
    § Exodus 3:14
    § John8:58
    § Isaiah 7:14, 9:6, 10:21, 43:11, 43:25
    § Matthew 1:22, 28:18, 26:14
    § Revelations 1:8
    § Zechariah 12:10, 11:12-13
    § Acts 4:12, 20:28
    § Mark2:5-7
    § 2 Peter 2:1
    § John 14:9
    § John 20:28
    § Colossians 1:15-17
    § Isaiah 44:24
    § Genesis 1:1
    § John 1:1
    § Micah 5:2
    § Colossians 2:9
    § 1 Timothy 15:17
    § Philippians
    § Matthew 28:17
    § Titus 2:13-14
    § Jude 4
    § 1 Corinthians 12:3
    § 1 Timothy 6:13-15
    § Revelations 17:14
    § Revelations 1:7-8, 1:17-18,
    § Revelations 22:12-13, 12:20
    § Revelations 22:20, 2:8
    § Isaiah 48:12, 44:6 43:10-11
    § John 5:39-40, 5:46
    § Jude 1:5
    § 1 Corinthians 10:1-4
    § Hebrew 11:24-26

    After you review these I am sure you will acknowledge that it
    is wrong of you to act like Jesus Christ had a girlfriend.

    Jesus is called the living lamb because he is our sacrifice. he is the only sacrifice that can take away sin with his blood.

    Receiving the kingdom of God as a child means a couple of things new beginnings and children are trusting and they accept what adults don’t on word value and site. They are not normally skeptical unless they live in a home of skeptics and even then the Lord put something into them that makes them loving and caring and they are without sin, if they die they automatically enter in.

    I am sure these things are going to help you and I have know problem helping anyone to receive the word of God with all truth.

    I see you really want to be saved, the word says freely we were given freely I give to you in return.

    God bless you understanding, where are you from and of what faith are you really. What language is your Bible written in?

  34. http://kingjbible.com/revelation/10.htm

    KJV is the closest translation to the original

  35. I have met Armenian people before, and they are very nice. One told me the Armenians were the first or oldest Christians.

  36. the angel telling john to go and prophesy to nations not destroy them

  37. HP

    When I lived in New Jersey I had very good girlfriend and her family were Syrian. She and her family were wonderful to me. When I moved away we wound up loosing contact.

    Orthodox Christians I also know a little about but it seems to me that some things are different in your part of the world.

    I hope you have time to review all of the scriptures and get a
    good understanding of Jesus being God.

    I am so pleased to speak with you and to share the word of God.
    I pray you all are being blessed.

    You should know the people who come to this site are for all
    peoples. We are all of God as his children. Marianne who owns this site is a child of God and very familiar also with the Bible, as well as most who come here.

    I want to be sure we clear up this misunderstanding about Jesus.
    Who told you that Mary M. was his girlfriend? Did you see that in Dan Browns movie the Davinci Code.

    I would be scrared to death to make such a statement against God. That man I hope he repents, praise God that the Lord is gracious and he extends his hand when we lack understanding
    but this man made money from this and tried to make our savior look evil.

    It is not good when many are trying to turn as God puts a place and time for people to repent. We are living in the last days.

    I hope you will continue to come to Marianne’s site and that you will be blessed in learning and growing in the Lord.

    Be Blessed and Happy Mothers Day to your wife Rebeca. It is Mothers Day here tomorrow.

  38. Though the words are interpreted in many ways. Jesus said that John the Baptist was the same soul/spirit that lived as Elijah in Matthew 11 and 17. So that is one clear case of reincarnation. When being Born Again. Jesus said we are “like the wind. Which you can hear but not see, and it goes wherever it wants to go.” This is not reincarnation. It is when our soul/spirit is released and we Born Again into the Spirit World from which we came. After the body cease to function. Unless one feels it refers to astral projection too?

    • Hi Solomon,

      Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; Num. 6.3 and HE SHALL BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST, even from his mother’s womb.
      16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
      17 And he shall go before him IN THE SPIRIT AND POWER OF ELI’JAH, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, Mal. 4.5, 6 and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

      *John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit/Ghost and received FROM the Holy Spirit the same power that was given to Eli’jah.

      John did not receive the spirit of Eli’jah; he received G-d’s Holy Spirit as did Eli’jah.

      Same Holy Spirit-different body.

  39. https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/is-the-trinity-equal/

  40. HP

    Hey hope you had a wonderful weekend. You know what helps me!

    We are body soul and spirit, these are three distinct things and the
    soul and spirit we do not see but they are there.

    Did you look up the scriptures I gave you? The other thing is rememeber that Jesus said no one has seen the Father but the son, and no one has seen the son but the Father.

  41. Brace yourself HP…this world does indeed end my friend-sad but true.

    There will be a new heaven and a new earth…the old will pass away as is stated in the following verses:

    Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

    Isaiah 65:17 “Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

    Isaiah 66:22 “As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the LORD, “so will your name and descendants endure.

    Romans 8:21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

    2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

    2 Peter 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

    Revelation 6:14 The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

    Revelation 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.

    This is the NIV which is very close to the KJV.

    The KJV is the original translation from the dead sea scrolls.

  42. I recently watched a video that Marianne posted last night where a young man explains this so well, regarding who and what G-d is.

    Think about this: When “man” landed on the moon, what does that imply?

    It implies that a HUMAN/Man from the HUMAN race landed on the moon; he represents all mankind right?

    Watch the video…he explains it better then I could🙂

    • That guy is so misguided, that’s what happens when one relies on his own philosophical abilities rather than on HOLY SPIRIT
      I wonder how he would rationalize following verse:

      Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

      • I thought he made better sense then anyone else I have heard next to marianne!

        And for you to make such a comment is truly funny….since you beleive in reincarnation! Did you get that from kabbala, kabba, mabba or moo! LOL

        • Jesus beleived in reincarnation and was initiated in Kabbalah, as the matter of the fact Book of Revelations is written in the language of Kabbalah;

          When, Jesus Christ returns, He will be exactly like Jealous God of Israel during the exodus, bringing destruction, fire and prestilence to his enemies, not false image of God of created by the Church and you the gentiles;

  43. HP
    Once again, you take a few words out of context to prove your point. It is getting old. Jesus was referred to as a servant throughout OT prophecy. He Humbled himself to the point of serving Humans, aven so low as washing the feet of his disciples. That is the beauty of God’s plan of redemtion. If Jesus had to humble himself to become a servant, then he must have been in high standing(divine) before. That is why it is said that God “is love”, Cause we humans deserved only death. That is what makes Jesus “sacrifice” worthy.
    As I told you before, even satan Quoted scripture when trying to tempt Jesus to sin. Of course Jesus saw the foolishness of his arguements as we do yours here.

  44. well then by all means go with the translation that fits your “interpretation”.

    I prefer non-fiction over fiction.🙂

  45. HP
    Here you Go some verses for you to explain away:
    Matthew 1:23, 12:8, 26:63-67, John 1:1-3,14,18; John 5:17,23, John 10:30,38, John 12:45, John 14:7-10, John 16:15 John 17:10, Col 1:16,17, Heb. 1:2-3. When you are done with these verses, then explain the entire book of John away, for the “theme” of this book is to be a witness of Jesus Divinity. After that, I can give you another 20-25 verses from the New testament. When you are done with those we can get into another 20 or so verses from the Old testament that predict the divinity of Christ or show his prescence in OT events. All these verses fit into the context of the narative of the bible. I especially want to hear your interpretation of John 14:7-10. It especially pertains to the runaround you have been putting us through. Maybe by looking up these verses you will learn to rely on the word of God, more than your “Mystery books”.

  46. Go for past life healing Marianne then you can talk from experience instead of theory.

    If you do not embrace reincarnation that the divine called RECREATION like a flower that reseeds itself, then how can your Jesus come back?

    The book of Romans talks about pre-destination and the bible also mentions victory over death. Why victory over death? In reality there is no such thing as death. The flower doesn’t die it simply reseeds itself into a new flower.

    Also there are texts that went East before the cannon was formed. They’re called the ‘Jesus Sutra’s and Christ discusses reincarnation.

    As far as I am aware Origen that translated and complied the books of the bible prior to St Jerome also taught reincarnation.

    You do know that books were removed from the bible don’t you?

  47. The bible also talks about immortality so what does immortality mean to you?

    In the way of righteousness there is life; along that path is immortality. Proverbs 12:28

    To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. Romans 2:7

    The Resurrection Body

    35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
    42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

    If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man.

    50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”[h]

    55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
    Where, O death, is your sting?”[i]

    56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    • That is not reincarnation. That is the same spirit with a holy body G-d gives them, and only one life on earth. Are you a New Age follower who believes in past lives?

      A person can post the whole Bible, but if they do not understand what they are reading what good is posting it?

      • Hey Leatherneck,

        Eliakim has other posts on other pages where she states that she is “god” and we are her children……so…..there ya go…..she has a website that kinda gives an idea of her “thought process”.

        Maybe she will post her website again so that you can take a look.🙂

  48. I love you HP. You are a colorful, interesting fellow.

  49. Hey HP,

    I would rather question the middle east faith as you stated above instead of questioning G-d’s Word-who by the way is Jesus/YESHUA, NOT “isa”.

    John 1:Bible Study ToolsBible VersionsNIVJohnJohn 1
    John 1 (New International Version)

    The Word Became Flesh
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it…..14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (Jesus IS the WORD OF G-d)🙂

    Here is the verse in the American Standard Version (the one you prefer)

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men…..14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth. (Jesus/YESHUA)

  50. HP
    I Did not deny the servant part of Christ, only refuted your claim that His servitude meant that he was not divine. In fact, one of the primary themes of Mark’s Gospel is the “humanity” of Jesus. It is the Gospel that shows Jesus’ human emotions, and his human limitations the most. This is all part of Jesus humbling himself, in order to be the final lamb sacrifice for sin. The part we are now in disagreement on is that you do not believe that Jesus was divine and in existence with God from the beginning, not just after the Spirit came to him at baptism. Jesus had to be fully divine for his sacrifice on the cross to be worthy as a sacrifice for all sin.

  51. Dru and I are trying to correct you as you so suggested above; you are not willing to be corrected by means of the truth found in the scriptures.

    Adam is not Jesus and he never was. Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden. Adam sinned along with Eve and when he died, he went back to dust.

    Genesis 3:19.(G-d talking to Adam)…in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou (ADAM) return unto the ground;
    for out of it wast thou taken: (ADAM was taken from the ground/dust) for dust thou art,and unto dust shalt thou return.(ADAM returned to the ground/dust)

    Jesus has always been with His father in Heaven as we can see from Genesis (Let US create man in OUR image) and also as we saw in the book of John (Jesus is the WORD of G-d).

    Jesus was born of a virgin (Mary) and died on a cross and rose again 3 days later. Jesus was flawless-NO SIN-and this is the reason why He was able to lay down his life and shed his blood as the final lamb sacrifice. (Jesus was the Lamb of G-d).

    He was the final passover sacrifice.

  52. If G-d’s word doesn’t correct you then “houston” you got a problem!

  53. The new Sodom is San Francisco, the new Gomorra is Las Vegas, The big Babylon is USA and the big city in Babylon is New York. Houston have a problem!

  54. Reincarnation goes against everything in the Christian creeds and teaching. It denies the uniqueness of the body, the face, and profound drama of human life. Christianity is a sacramental mercy in our material world…the incarnation of God.

    The best advice is to stay away from any sort of “spirituality” that doesn’t begin with John 3:16 and the Father’s Love for the world.

    It is a smoke and mirrors idea that also justifies injustice in society. It was introduced into Hinduism after the Vedas were written by an invading power elite.

    • John 3:16 is universally misunderstood. The SON is the Holy Spirit. The gnostic finds at Nag Hammadi make that clear. The orthodoxy simple suppressed those and obliterated the truth about the original teachings of Jesus Christ. The “only-begotten” is actually “first born” — a better rendering of the Greek “monogenes”. The Apocalypse of Peter has this at 82:20. There are actually hundreds of “Sons” coming to give “salvation” of the Word. The world is never without at least one. That is what THEY say, not me. John 6:40 and 9:4-5 with “sent ME” in 9:4 is all that remains, pretty much, of Jesus’ telling us so. He never wrote the Bible, others did — and they had agenda. http://www.RSSB.org

  55. Marianne isnot right i oppose the idea of solvation resurrection because reincarnation is truth it is scientific the idea of modern evolution is based on reincarnation our hindu buddhist monk says that soul is immortal after the good work or karma man willfind moksh it is scientific and true recent survey in america indicates that half population of america believes in hindu reincarnation it is given to world by hindus first other theory that we are sin is baseless gives hurreshment plz read bhagvad gita

  56. People want to beliave in rencarnation, because they are not happy with their life and want o belieave they were happier in another life, plus not to mention they are in “darkness” and need to can to the “life” wich is Christ the Lord….

  57. John 1:12 is John the Baptist giving “power” to become Sons of God. Jesus is not introduced until the segue “AND the Word was made flesh” meaning AGAIN. John was the Light, but not the Light because it was WITHIN the body of John. http://www.RSSB.org

  58. Check out this excellent resource: ReincarnationTruth.com

  59. Marianne
    I was HP, IBM etc on this site.
    I know you don´t beleive in my stories but I gonna give you some info about this anyway.
    I think you got the idea from me regarding reincarnation.

    Before 1960 my church the Syrianic church beleived that Jesus was God and that trinity was that the father son and the holy spirit was the same.
    We are Orrtodox Christians.We are the first Christians. We have never changed in our faith before 1960 because we beleive that we can be punished if we change our faith.

    After 1960 my church started to say that Trinity is when God speaks through the holy spirit in one person. If God speaks through his son then
    God the father, the Holy spirit and his son is one God. But when the son speaks his own words his only the son and not God. I saw on earlier posts on this subject that I hqaave said that Jesus is not divine. That was because
    i thougt that divien meant God. Now i know what divine means and I truly beleive that Jesus is divine.

    After 1960 my Church the Syrian Church started to say that Jesus
    is the Archangel Gabriel and Micheal.
    We uset to say that Jesus is Adam the first man and we still do.
    Now we say that Jesus is also Jacob Israel, King Salomo, King Zerubbabel
    and Jesus the Messiah.

    = Reincarnation

    You say that according Heb 9:27 we only die once. But the word only is not there. It means when we die we will be judged.

    How can the oldest Church who hasen´t changed in the faith suddenly start to change in their faith? I can not reveal the truth but you can understand why.

    Our church made Mary Magdalena a saint long time ago.

    But nopw we know that she was the woman that Jesus drew out 7 evil spirits of and she was a whore.

    I don´t like to talk bad words about Jesus so I will defend him regarding Mary M. Jesus knew he would leave Earth when he was young and he knew he was not allowed to take a woman with him. And at this time
    you where not allowed to have sex outside a marriage. We are not allowed to do that now either but now no one cares. So the only way for Jesus to have sex and closeness was to have sex with someone who had sex outside a marriage. The only ones who had this was whores. I´m not inspiired by Da vinci code. We know the truth.

    Jesus father EL was not happy about Jesus relationship with a whore.
    The father choosed a poor nice virign woman to his mother to make it fine.
    But Jesus destroyed the fine when he had sex outside a marriage and with a whore. But I can understand him. His wifes Lea, Rakel, Bilha and Silpha was on another planet and he needed closeness.

    Let me give you info about reincarnation.
    Rev 12:1-2 is Jesus second birth in the NT = Reincarnation.

    We not that when Jesus ascended to heaven he started to make trouble with his father that he is the father. Jesus father said that if you don´t stop I will destroy you in the next life on earth and Jesus didn´t stop.

    So God choosed to let him be reborn again in his enemies family. His parents are muslims and his mother has Hebrew blood from Juda tribe.

    His parents didn´t told him that he is Jesus. They let him grow up without saying anything. So our Church knew that he is Jesus so we tried to tell him that when he was a child so he could live a life without sin. But he didn´t beleive us and every time we tried to talk with him we were killed by Satan. Satan is following him every day. So we stopped telling him that he was Jesus when he was young and he didn´t beleive in it so he lived a life in sin. The angel spoke to Dimitru D and said Christ want live in sin but too many people died so we couldn´t save him.
    When you read about Jacobs sins in Isaiah and Jeremiah it is Jesus sins in this life. In Jeremiah 30 we can read about Jacobs lovers. It is Jesus lovers in this life. His parents gave him a muslim name but he changed it to Jacob when he became a Christian.

    His father God can see into the future and saw that when his time starts he will not be a Christian and he hasn´t read the Bibel. And this would lead to his own destruction. So God saw that he will come and kill his son on Earth. When you read about Zec that the lord will stand with his feet on the mount olives is Jesus father actually.

    But the father has promised him that he will be king and highest priest forever in the Bibel so he changed path. The father let Maria M to be reborn again. And the meet in this life too. They had not sex this time. Fine for Jesus becuase his father would punish him then. Maria M heard year 2000 that he is Jesus but Jesus didn´t show up more for here until the end of 2006. When she saw him she descided to send Satan in him and she did. 2007-01-06 Satan went into Jesus. I will not tell the whole story because I don´t people will beleive my anyway but it´s true.
    When Satan was in Jesus he didn´t understand anything. He loosed wieght very fast, he stopped to eat Satan didn´t let him sleep in the nights etc. Jacob/Jesus grow up as a ateist in this life. His mothers husband raised him this way and the Swedish society raised him this way. When He had Satan in him he started to feel that he didn´t like his childrens mother. He started to think that he was in love in Maria M. Maria M is married so Satan wanted Jesus to commit adultery. He felt realy bad with Satan in him. When his name was Jesus he had Satan in him for 40 days now he had Satan in him in almost 2 years. He went to a doctor and said that he cant sleep in the nights. And he flet realy bad. We couldn´t talk to him because we die when we do that. He started to play soccer which hadn´t done for a while. He wanted to run away from the bad thing he had inside him but he didn´t beleive in anything so he couldn´t explain why he felt so bad.
    AFter almost 2 years his cildrens mother said to him. Yoy have flet so bad the last time so I want you to seek help otherwise I will leave you.
    And Jacob/Jesus didn´t want this so he talked with his family/muslims
    and told them that it started to spooke around him almost 2 years ago and that he has flet that he doesn´t feel well and know he needs help otherwise his childrens mother would leave him. His family told him that he needed to be a muslim and that imam would help him. He thougt the idea of going the religous way right but he thought that If he goes to a imam he will not get help because Satan doesn´t drive out Satan so he descieded to come to us the Syrianic church. He meet one of our priests and we said that we could help him if he became Chrstian and he accepted. We sprinkled holy water on him and Satan left him.
    Then he had a real dope in the Egyptian Coptic church because he doesn´t speak our language that is Syrianic based on Aramaic. The Coptic Church has the mass in swedish on a large screen so he can understand.

    I could write for ours but Maria M is livng on earth now and the purpose with here birth was to make Jesus a Christian. She is reincarnated. She doesn´t look like the same person. She had dark hair when her name was maria M know she has blond hair and have another name.

    Jesus father told Jesus that he would put the worst soul in human kind in his mothers husband. So he took out Muhammed from hell put him into his mothers husbands body.

    So Jesus is raised by Muhammed the Islams teacher. So he is totaly destroyed. The only positve thing with him was that his mother tried to make him a muslim but he never became one.

    So
    Jesus is in the Vatican now reincarnated.
    Muhammed is reincarnated. They are enemies now. He doesn+t know that he is Muhammed but Jesus knows now and we know.
    Maria M is reincarnated.

    and many more people in the Bibel is living on earth now and are reincarnated.

    I live in Sweden and soon we will burn.
    You live in Usa and soon you will burn.

    God had enough of us.

    People will not like what i´m writing but I´m talking the truth. Please respond with your thougts.

    • Adam

      I find your story interesting, but cannot say anything about it, since I only go by what is in bible.

      if your Jesus is Jesus, then he will prove that to everyone when the time comes.

      Bible says we know the tree by its fruit. Same with people.

      I also do not say divine + God. Divine means “comes from heaven.”

      God, angels, and saints are all in heaven.

  60. Marianne
    Good that you find the my story interesting. Then you probably can accept that jesus was not perfect and you can accept that he is destroyed in this life. It’s good to know that. We will tell the whole story when his times starts.

  61. Jesus did not sin. God does reincarnate. Reincarnation is a lie of Satan. That’s the short version of my response. If you want me to elaborate, just ask.

    • amen

    • Jacob
      Yehoshua did sin. He had sex with Magdalena without being married to her. That is a sin. All this reputations about Magdalena was a whore and satanist comes from somewhere. If it was not true then reputations would not come up.
      Yehoshua said thoose who will not be reborn can not G kingdom = Reincarnation.

  62. see G-d’s

  63. Marianne, I agree with your summations on the subject of reincarnation. As scripture says in Hbr 9:27 “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”

    But, I have a few questions I have pondered on which may give indications that we, in spirit form, before we came to earth, may have existed with God in heaven. Perhaps as “spirit” beings. Of a certain rank. This is not the same as the belief in reincarnation where people reincarnate over and over again as humans, but perhaps “we” as spirits, existed with God before we came to earth in a human form and that God knows us in some way according to this…

    One example was Jesus was with God before He manifested and came to earth in the form of a human flesh and blood man as the image of the invisible God.

    Another example of this “pre-knowing” us if you want to call it that, may be from when God said to Jeremiah “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. (Jer1:5)

    In that scripture the word to knew is yada which has some indication of God being familiar with Jeremiah, and He knew Him “by experience”
    did God know him when he was in spirit form before he came to earth and manifested as a called prophet? Just something I have thought about.

    That would have some indication as to God knowing who we were BEFORE we manifested in human form on this earth to carry out whatever purpose we were created for.

    And, there is that understandi ng of God choosing whom He chooses. Perhaps this ties into His foreknowledge of our character of who we were before we manifested upon the earth as humans. Notr saying I am certain but just something I have given thought to.

    • I agree it is possible that our spirits were in heaven first before we were given an earthly existence.

      It seems inherent in mankind to know there is a higher power, even if he has never been taught.

      • I agree. Every soul is accountable to a higher power, the Creator who gives us life. The Most High God. The I AM.What we do with that life we have been given, regardless of the circumstances, regardless of what we have been dealt, is our responcibility to Him. That’s the least we can do.

  64. Are you kidding me? Man, you people need to understand that the bible has been heavily edited by sexist ingrates and power hungry fools. There are parts missing from the bible. The bride of Christ? So “she” equals the saints? Are you serious? LoL. Blind much? Learn to read correctly and learn to read in between the lines, sweetheart. The Bride is Christ is a woman. Not a bunch of saints. The saints are guests. Obviously you don’t have enough innocence to decode the bible. Innocence and love is your key to get into grace FYI. Jesus was like every man during that era except he had his born again and he became one with God. He did have a soul mate too. You think having a wife and making love is too dirty for Jesus? Too taboo? You’ve got to realize that Jesus had a normal life like anyone else. Mary Magdalene could have been his wife. She was a key witness in his death and resurrection. Why do you think she was the there for those two events? Do be a groupie?You expect Jesus to be single? Do you expect him to be married to a group of people and not to only one person? His soul mate? Do you realize how absurd that sounds? Actually Do you expect him to not have a soul mate like you people do? LoL. Man, I got to love these ignorant statements by closed minded people who take the bible too literally. Get with the times and open up your mind. Google is your friend. The dead seas scrolls are your friends. Even the Torah is your friend and Jesus was Jewish. Look into more resources. WAKE UP!!!!!! I leave you with this. Good bye.

  65. so if reincarnation is not true then explain that little boy who remembered his past life as a pilot. and when he was 3 thats all he talked about… and remembered his old name and how his plane got bombed in Japan that lead to his death.

    • jazzy

      information like that comes from the spirit world….it does not mean the child was born twice…it means this information was given to him….

  66. Is very simple, the explanation is, the Devil is a lier! Demons were talking through this child the demons were there and knew what happen! Satan give you 99% true and 1% lie! that 1% will take you to hell! he is the master in lies! he is been lying for thouthans of yoear! is was the first lie in the garden, “you shall surely not die” how humans can be so stupid! Is was the first lie to mankind!

  67. I just think. I wouldn’t want to come back here again. I just want to be with God. That’s why I accepted Christ. I know his grace is enough to overcome anything.He said we could do it through his Holy spirit. In this world you will have affliction but trust in me I have overcome the world.

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